Tea at Four - Should you reveal your identity on a first date? Trans woman answers your dilemmas

Episode Date: January 8, 2026

We’re back with Lauren and Billy, and joined by special guest Seana Momsen, a Trans Bengali woman who’s keen to share her journey from being born a boy in a culture that doesn’t accept her true self, to becoming the first Bengali Trans woman in a Bollywood film.We talk about whether you should reveal your identity on a first date, and how to deal with discrimination in day to day life. She has an inspiring story and outlook on life, and isn’t afraid to dive deep into how she found her chosen family through the world of online gaming. Seana opens up about the most invasive questions she gets asked ("What's between your legs?"), navigating intimacy with men who don't know, and the heartbreaking moment a man followed her around a club to expose her identity. We also dive into family dynamics, cultural expectations, and navigating the world of sex work.Send us your dilemmas, tea or quite frankly anything you find funny to [e-mail].💖 Watch on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@Teaatfourpod💖 Follow on TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@four.nine💖 Follow on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/fournine/?hl=en Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This man that was quite senior in this club talked to every guy I had talked and been like, by the way, she's trans. That's horrific. Awful. Boycott them now. Hey guys, welcome back to Tier 4. I'm Billy. And I'm Lauren.

And this is a podcast where we talk all things that normally stay in the group chat. And today we're joined by a very special guest. Please give it up for Shawna, everyone. Thank you so much for coming on the pod, Sean. Thank you. How for having me? No, we're really excited. Would you mind just explaining a bit about who you are and what you do to our audience?

So my name is Shawah Momson and I am a South Asian trans woman here in the UK. I dabble here and there in the sex work industry and I'm just trying to elevate consciousness and make life just a little bit better for folks that have a similar story to mine. Now there isn't actually much kind of like representation for Bengali trans women. Do you feel like there's a pressure on yourself to kind of represent and kind of keep pushing that support? I don't think I view it as like pressure that there's like this like thing that I visualize or feel. I just feel that it's kind of sad like that there isn't that much representation, but it's not necessarily because of the pressure. It's more so to do with the fact that there is

virtually nothing and I'm finding that although it's a nice moment, retention, in history, I'm the first that's doing X, Y, and Z. I haven't really, like, fact-checked this, but when I got to do my Bollywood movie back in 2022, I played a trans character. It wasn't very, very, like, openly trans, but it was, like, scripted as a trans character. And I think I might be the first ever Bengali trans girl playing a trans character in a Bollywood movie. Wow.

So, snaps for that. That's incredible. So it's just, like, I don't know. It's like, it's cool that I might be the first, potentially possibly, but it's like, why isn't happened already? 100%. Right. Yeah.

Well, that's incredible. And that shares a little bit about your kind of journey to get to this point. When did you kind of realize and kind of, I don't want to say grow into, but like explore your identity as being a trans woman? I always knew, like, things were like different. When you're quite young, you don't really know, like, the actual words. You just know, especially from like a cultural background with religious beliefs, you just know that it's wrong. You know those thoughts are wrong, those thought processes, being anything other than what's deemed as normal is wrong.

So I just knew to resist and to conceal from a very, very young age. But I didn't know what trans was. All I knew in the basic way was that there are straight people and then there. there are gay people, but your gender identity, that was like really, really foreign to me up until later on in life. Right. How was like the relationship with your family as you was exploring this? How was that?

Mine's quite an atypical relationship because I did a lot of things very, very my own way and I come from like a really broken family in the sense that I didn't really have like, parental figures. I was more so with my nan and my uncle because my mom had left the nest like 12 when I was 12 and my dad was absent because of circumstances. But I just didn't really have like a active relationship with my family members because they didn't really understand me. So having a conversation about the LGBTQ plus IA, um, that was never like an option and within my culture from my experience and from my lived experiences you don't really talk about that stuff you just you just carry on and like prod along and hope for the

best but it's not an easy process but it could have been worse and that's how I look at it yeah so in Bangladesh the laws and rules around the LGBT community are different to hear is that right I think just that region as a whole I think there are quite oppressive rules I know that there are still practices potentially in Bangladesh or just the wider region where not only just anti-LGBQIA but people folks are still married off at like 12 years old right so there's there's really really dark and deep and horrendous stuff happening so I'm very mindful that it's not just what I'm going through, but a lot of bad practices that are still happening. Yeah. What gave you, what empowered you to speak out and be so vocal about it?

The way I view it and the way I've had my trajectory so far, I don't see it as like I'm doing it for a specific reason in a sense of like, oh, I'm going to do my community proud. That's just hand in hand with what I'm passionate about. I'm passionate about making people feel safe and feel at home within themselves and just giving that confidence that I so sought out from a very, very early age. Regardless of whatever people think about you,

if they have something negative to say about your gender, race, sexuality, skin colour, whatever, then that's all to do with them and they shouldn't feel comfortable having anything negative to say about that. And I knew that from a very, very early age when I experimented with my physical appearance and was exploring internally

sexuality and gender identity once I could form those sentences. Oh, I love that. What would you say are like the top questions that you're tired and sick of hearing from people? Change it up a little bit. Because I started doing more so, more like, TikTok lives.

TikTok's really a free-for-all platform. And I understand that it's coming from most of the time a place of like curiosity. But when people like keep asking like, are you wearing a wig? I have what surgeries have you had? This, that and the other. I'm an open book. I don't, I don't shy away from talking about anything and everything. But it's just the assumption that's already made that I must have done this.

or I must be wearing a wig or I'm doing this, that and the other. Whereas if you're just asking from a place where it's like, have you done anything or like this, and the other, there's already that stigma or label attached. Not to say that getting surgery or like doing stuff to alter your appearance in any way, shape or form is bad, but I just don't like the assumption that I've done that because that's not my story to tell.

Right. Or their business. It's invasive. Yeah, it is invasive. The thing is, because, people say that and rebuttal it by saying you're putting yourself out there i understand that and i am putting myself out there and i'm happy to answer questions it's not what you say it's how you say it's so i always try to like say would you feel comfortable being asked what's in between your legs or like

stuff like that it's just about the simple fact of how you're saying these questions and folks respond by saying oh i never swore that way so i like having like some sort of educational, like, instant reaction. Nice. Yeah. I like, I can kind of, like, agree, like, so much of that. Because even just, like, as a gay man, the first question that you normally get is, like, are you top or a bottom?

It's like, why are you so interested in, like, my sexual deviances? You wouldn't ask a straight person that. You don't. And just, well, let alone a stranger. Yeah, that's the thing. And it's like, it's always strangers that are asking it. It's because they have a screen to hide behind. They would never dream of saying, well, some people might, but they would never dream

to say in person in real life. I get it in person. Like the smoking area and I meet someone like a night out and like it normally comes across and like they are meaning it in a nice way and they're just trying. Yeah. And like but it's just when it becomes like regularly a thing like in the smoking area you meet like a girl and you're just like chatting, kicking and she's like I've got to ask, are you top of bottom?

I'm like, okay that was three minutes in meeting you. Come on. Not that I really mind answering but when you notice. it constantly does feel like okay there is more to be gay than just like your preference yeah yeah that's interesting when when it comes to dating do you feel you have to navigate these kind of conversations there too when i decide to like disclose it to whoever's worthy um that's the trans thing by the way um i have to give a like a whole life spiel like it's so monotomous like training rinse and repeat groundhog day and it's so like invasive of like

my life like why do I have to like say so much like sensitive like information about myself to a person potentially I'd never see ever again and they could be hiding concealing because a lot of people see it as like I'm committing a crime I'm doing bad things by like choosing not to say but it's not a bad thing transident and a bad thing and in my rule book information isn't freely given it's with anything in life. So yeah, like I just don't, I just don't see it as fair. And I understand some people bring in the question of preference.

But if we break it down, why is your preference not a trans person? Like, is it because you don't like trans people? There's, like, if a lot of people's preference and saying that and like, oh, I just don't find them attractive, when they don't know that I'm trans, nine times out of ten,

they always find me attractive. So it's just as soon as that comes out They're like, oh, I don't, blah blah blah. Yeah, that's interesting. I feel like, again, there is that discourse online of like people that have no, like, that it's none of their business being like, oh, what's the big issue if they say it on the first or the third date?

Trans people like bringing that awareness. But really it's like we're making a bigger deal out of it than intended. It needs to be. Yeah. It's draining. Draining. I just like I can no way near relate to the level that you have to go through but like it's almost like when you have to come out for like constantly come out like and new places of work or like meeting people the first time I feel like I'm quite just an open book anyway but it does become like exhausting doesn't it. It is and it's like the angle that I have.

It's a double ed sort of like I have I wouldn't even call it passing privilege. People just think I was born a woman which is like right for me. but it was it's the sense of like because i get that attached to me even way like way before i ever identified as a girl i just looked girl um so because that's attached and folks can't fathom especially men that are into me can't fathom the fact that i was born a boy um it's just that that mental barrier that i have to like break down and go through so it's it's a very very unique position that not the even average trans person goes through because there's just even more weird layers attached to it and it's it's a lot yeah yeah do you have like any previous experiences that

you'd be comfortable to share with us that maybe some that have gone well or some that maybe haven't gone so well i am quite a serial data not so i'm not so most of the times like all my dates go well. It's just a case of like the fact that they can't commit to the fact that what their friends might think or their family might think

or that I'm chronically online. Right. So there's not only just like explaining it to their circle, but people can look me up and I'm an apologetically meet an apologetically me. So there's even that attached and then

if they really do their research, sex work stuff. So there's a lot of things that they're like, I have to commit to all that. Now I can't. Not to say that that's not possible, but there's a lot that goes on when it's concerning if it's going to happen with me with that person.

But that's it going well. The bad, the negative, I've just had cases where I just get so like, because the thing is, I don't think the average trans person constantly thinks, I'm trans, I'm trans, I have to tell, I have to tell. I just live my life. So I forget.

And I'm just like, tiki. And in the club, do my thing. I've had it in instances where people out me, one, that's illegal, so you shouldn't do that. And these are people where they've either seen me online or even like bar managers, where like they're senior managers, like there's a particular club in Birmingham where I this this man that was quite senior in this

club he would follow me around and talk to every guy I had talked and been like by the way she's trans that's so unsafe it's so unsafe because they're like thinking of like protecting the brotherhood and when I approached him he just laughed and walked off and I had emailed that that club and I got no response that happens and it's a safety concern but i like to not like to but i view it as because i'm quite a niche person and a niche case when it comes to like my me being within the community much to say that all men practices but i think i have an aura about me of like don't fuck with me and um and the other aura of like pretty privileged which can help as well and on top of that most men have been taught from like

day darked again not all of them practice this but not to lay a hand on a woman so because a lot of men see me and can't deny my womanhood they're they're vicious with their words they have never been aggressive with like fighting and stuff like that but

words hurt just as much yeah I think that there's a lot when it comes to like just the psyche of breaking down what's quote unquote normal for your average heterosexual or cis man, which unfortunately is my type.

Right. I was going to ask that. How did you explore like what you're into, what your sexuality was? Did you know initially? I just knew that I was straight as fuck from like day one. I was like, I saw men and I was like, they're fit. Yeah. Valid.

But literally that's literally all I thought. Yeah. Yeah. I think of myself as like platinum star straight. I don't lust after woman, women. I just like men. Oh my gosh. I'm a platinum gay.

Oh my gosh. Yeah. Kiki. Who's your, who's your biggest celebrity crush? Oh my gosh. Is it bad? I just thought of like male porn stars.

He's not my biggest celebrity crush, but he always just comes to mind when somebody asks me this question. I do like him, but he's not my biggest. But this guy called Bradley, Bradley, Bradley Sulu and he was the guy in West Coast and blue jeans by Lana. Right.

That guy, the tatted guy. Right. I love a niche. Yeah. Reference like that. Very me. Yeah, mine's pretty basic. Jonathan Bailey.

Obviously. Waiting. Anyone that's on the kind of like the front covers of the magazines. Yeah. First there. Easy. And you've also like, I've seen online you talk about like your chosen family. How important has that been in part of like,

your journey and like you being safe with your identity. I think a lot of queer folks don't really have that support network at home. Some do and I'm really, really happy to see that. But a lot find their tribe, their chosen family in walks of life, which I have done many a times. And I think it's a testament to one's character that you are able to find your people because you are choosing to love someone as opposed to being born into it, which is still beautiful, but it's debatable whether which is stronger,

but I don't like to see it that way. Yeah, I think it's really, really important because you need like-minded folks around you. And that's how you learn and grow as people. Even though I have things that I've done differently or lived a different life to the average person, I can still learn a lot of things from the average person because everybody thinks and operates differently. To people listening that might be perhaps younger and maybe kind of like really associating themselves with your story and but don't have their chosen family, what advice would you have for them to go and find them? How do you find a chosen family? So when I started off having nothing

and that was like I think from like eight, nine, ten, I escaped online and I just started gaming and doing all of that, which was my version of like, okay, nobody can judge me for me. I'm playing like some virtual thing and people accept me. I have a friend to this day that I kept in touch with since I was like 12 and I visited her in Amsterdam last year. So stuff like that happens. And she knew me from back in the day just online. So I would say try and find your community.

if it is a privilege to be able to use computers and stuff like that. So I'm not, I'm not saying that, oh, that's easily accessible. But try to find things that make you happy reading a book, writing, creating art, just keeping your brain active and stimulated in a healthy manner. So you don't fall inwards and have dark thoughts that folks do at whatever point in their life, but not all consuming, basically. I know you mentioned the gaming and we see the shit that women get online on these streamers and on Twitch and stuff. What was your experience like with that?

Did you have a negative? I'm not that old, but I was before Twitch. Like I didn't have, when I was like 12, it was like more of like the Haber hotels. Oh yeah. And like it wasn't what it is today with regards to like the connection, although it is really, really bad with like the dark side of the internet. So that was always there. but I used it. I think because I'm such a resilient person,

even when I was quite young, I knew what I wanted out of it. And I knew that because in a sense, I was lying about my identity. I knew other people would do that. I knew that. So I was like, yeah, I know how to like stay safe. Yeah.

How do you have so much wisdom? I also don't say that in like a, I don't get it way, because I also come from a family where maybe I didn't feel, that understood so then you do a lot of inner work to try and understand that within yourself and explore that but like you're so wise I mean I've always been told when I was like younger that um I was an old soul but now the years are catching up with me right um but I think when

you literally have nothing um but whether that's like money friends family you really do a lot of soul searching and you love yourself wholeheartedly. So that means you can take a lot. And I always throw this analogy in the sense of like, this is very, very dramatic, but I don't want this to happen. Like if the whole world ended and you somehow survived,

I think a lot of people would be very, very like sad about it, whereas I would be sad, yes, but I would make myself laugh and I would, if I could die of natural means, I would be fine. Come on. I make myself, I mean people make their self love.

Yeah. If you could eat and like sustain yourself. Yeah. I love that. Yeah, I love that. Now you're a very like, as you say, outspoken,

confident woman and you speak online quite a lot about like sexual. Sex positive. That's the right phrase. I was saying something. Kept all saying sexually positive. Sexually positive, which is a completely different thing.

Yeah, you're very open about it. And I was and you do only fans as well. Is that right? Um, it's passive income. It's still there. Still there. Yeah. What's like the audience like that for you online?

Is this just regarding sex work or like, like, yeah. What kind of like audience do you kind of like see mainly? It's, um, an amalgamation of, um, folks because I dabble in so many things that like a lot of people respond to me because I do the self help content. I do the talking about my like upbringing which can inspire folks. I have a lot of parents coming to me saying like, oh my gosh, thank you for your advice and stuff like that of like how to support their kids or teens kids coming to me and asking me how they should come out or how they should just be confident, etc.

So there's that aspect of it. And then there's the aspect of like when I started my social media, it was the typical of like beauty pictures and all of that and then it like evolved into like more like risque pictures and then the self-help started coming out so I just have like a lot of different people where it's like old men DMing me and all of that and then when like I started doing only fans it was just like even more so I just have an array of audience and I have of course because I am trans I have a lot of people that don't like me so there's that how do you protect your piece? with those, you know, the kind of like people who shouldn't be commenting videos, but like they do,

the hate messages. Well, I've been very accustomed to hate all my life. So I've hardened myself to that. And I know, I knew from a very early age as I touched on earlier that somebody is like negative unwarranted, like opinion of me. It doesn't matter, especially as strangers. So I don't really care. if it's a stranger.

Yeah. I guess the traditions of your culture, I'm not saying the word rejects because I don't, they don't, it's not to say that they're rejecting you, but like how do you feel now trying to still incorporate that side of you? It's like a part of you, it's in your heart,

whilst being a trans woman. I think with culture and religion or culture versus religion, you would hope to like take things and make your own. I find a lot of people that follow Christianity or like Buddhism and stuff like that. They don't follow everything to a tea. Some folks do, but they don't follow everything to a tea. So you just adopt what works for you and maybe call it shornorism.

I don't know, rebrand. But like, yeah, I adopt things from Buddhist philosophy and like other things like Hinduism because there are beautiful things I can see like, oh, that's good. Let me just like practice that, being mindful, this, that, and the other. and gratitude and stuff like that. So just adopt things and make it work for you because everybody's views and story and life journey is different. Definitely.

Love that. Yeah. So you spoke about dating. Have you been relationships? Yeah. I've been fortunate enough to have like quite meaningful relationships. And this was like pre me identifying as a girl and after me identifying as we are. So nice relationships.

Healthy. Were there any kind of boundaries that you felt like you had to set or kind of any experiences that would make you learn from that to take on to your next relationship? I think because nine times out of ten, I'm going to be somebody's first that's like me. We're both learning, well, you learn each other just in general, but then you're both learning this new normal of like,

yes, woman, but different kind of woman and not being accustomed to like, let's say, this body part of a woman. So there's like that and then what I choose to do with my life. So that other thing. So it's just, it's always going to be for me a more of a learning curve of establishing what's okay and what's not okay

with any partner because most people haven't experienced this. Yeah. Yeah. I was just going to ask as well, obviously this year has been quite big with the, Supreme Court ruling. Have you found your experience as a trans person has changed since all that came about? So I think my biggest like sorrow with all of that is for my people in my life or for people

that I don't even know of experiencing hurtful things out and about. Because if you look at someone, people just run with their judgments and that's everyone. and that's everyone judges, but it's what you choose to do with it. So say if you see someone that doesn't necessarily look like a man or a woman or doesn't look like the gender that you assume that they're trying to pass as, they're going to get attacked. And then that's always been a case anyway,

especially just throughout history. But when people are saying trans people in the media, like are rapists or like predators, that's even adding more fuel to the fire that was already there. Yeah. Where is the fucking hyper focus on straight men that are rapists and all of these things? It's mental, isn't it? Because not to go down this road, but like, it's such a small issue that's now become a major issue.

And it's like they're clearly doing it to hide all the main issues. Yeah, they're just going down the alphabet and then they'll just eventually reach back to like the race war. And then if not that, something else, just to like hide away from the actual issue. The past year, have you like felt a change in terms of like general? people like people you wouldn't who wouldn't normally say something but have maybe like started to be a little bit more aggressive and forward oh so negative negative yeah nobody in my life because i don't have people like that in the life but the internet for sure like whatever's trending that's just how people like react and people misquote me all the time so they could misquote

already poorly written article and just run away with that and then come at me for something that they assumed from the poor article. So it's just the internet and people, media, just running with whatever. So once this blows over, because that's just the natural order of things for however long it lasts, it's just going to be a heated topic.

And yeah, people are just going to make up stories and just feel their delusion. Yeah. But they call me delusion also. Yeah. Do you feel that pressure to kind of be armed for when people do come with this kind of aggression when these things come about? In real life or in like... In real life, yeah, yeah.

This is going to sound like so cunty of me, but like people don't know what I'm trans, so they don't really like go after me like in a set in a sense. But if it's like blatantly like if I'm in a friendship circle group hanging out and we happen to talk about that or my friends look queer as hell, then it might attract. people to like have an issue with it have this and that with it so I don't really experience it like just in general but it's this through like certain scenarios but from what I've experienced I haven't really experienced anything different since this year I don't know I think people just for me at least and my lived experiences the most hate that I get is like behind a screen And if anything, they love me. They really do.

Is there anything you think that internet could be doing to kind of protect trans folk better? I think allyship is like great and I've experienced that and like people like, it's really cute when I see like people fight other people in the comment section and be like, say that about blah blah blah, blah. And I'm like, you need to get paid for doing it.

So yeah, ally's shit. is great and being proactive with educating yourself. Like I'm a resource. I put myself out there as an educational resource, but I don't know everything and I can get things wrong and I hold my hands up and say that. And I like to learn and I'm on a forever path of growing and learning.

But yeah, being proactive with fighting injustice and yeah, just listening to understand and not listening to respond. So, yeah, just being very, very mindful that there is a human being with actual feelings on the other end and just understanding treat others how you want to be treated. Like, it just goes back to like things that we should have been taught as a child of basic principles and morals. Yeah. Love that. Gorgeous answer and snaps for that. So this is the part of the podcast where we hear some

dilemmas from our audience and then we give our advice. Yes. I'm in a new relationship with a trans woman and we've not been intimate yet. I want to get it right. So is there anything I should keep in mind she still has a genitals from birth which isn't an issue to me at all but how should I handle it I want to make her feel comfortable and I'm scared of doing something wrong am I being asked that yeah um so the trans person that I'm assuming the cis hair man is going with the trans woman that has the genitator that they were assigned at birth I would just say just yeah it's different like just openly talk about the the fact that it is different and what you're okay with, what your boundaries are,

and sometimes in a healthy way, where it's all consensual, you might be open to exploring what you like, because speaking from experience, pretending like it's not there is not good, but then talking about it and not like making that trans person feel weird or like alienated isn't great either.

So just having that fine line, fine balance of being open and honest, with if you're not into it, that's fine, but you're into that person and exploring other ways to get it on. Yeah, communication is always key. Just have those kind of like, I would say, those open communication channels, making sure that like you're not hiding anything or resenting anything, like with any kind of relationship where you're kind of stepping into uncharted territory. I think it's always important just to say how you're feeling, check how they're feeling,

making sure that there's no kind of cross paths, you know, across wires. There shouldn't be pressures on like both sides. Like even the trans person needs to be like vocal and open and honest. Like one person shouldn't feel all of the weight of the issue. So it should be equally discussed openly. And yeah, like the act of love when it comes to it and making love, I think all of that noise is like gone by the time you're in the heat of the moment. so it's a hard one because if you think about it too much

you might psych yourself out so just go with the flow yeah I love that okay so the second one I'm a trans woman but I only came out this year and my younger sister asked me to be her maid of honor last week it meant the world to me but she told me that she wants me to dress more modestly because some of our relatives aren't used to women like me I love her but I also don't want to be treated as a risk factor at her wedding what should I do hmm why is she going to be butt naked I don't get her I also, I don't know, like with that, I feel like she'd do what she wants to do.

Yeah. And her sister, the bride, should kind of support her. And if there are people there that have issue with that, that's their issue. And like, I think her as a, is it her sister? I think her sister also has a duty of care to make sure that she's creating an environment that's safe for her. Yeah. And like you said earlier, like being on the, the right side of a debate like that like the right side is just let people be who they want to be

and be comfortable wherever they want to fucking wear at a wedding um yeah have you have had an experiences with that where people have felt ashamed or like so to my thoughts on the actual issue that was presented uh i think it's a bit ludicrous because is she giving that like PSA to like all the other bride tribe yeah and your bride tribe is supposed to feel beautiful and not upstage to the bride, of course, but they're all supposed to feel like comfortable in their own skin and making sure that they feel good with the dresses assigned to them, etc. So they need the bride and the bridal party needs to do their due diligence to make sure everyone feels comfortable. And if this modesty thing is thrown out to her, it should be thrown out to everyone for fairness.

And if it's your sister, I think you would want to prioritize her love even more, etc. So I think fairness and explaining that if this modesty thing is at play, then it's applicable to everyone. She's not just single doubt because she's only going to feel singled out even more so because of the whole trans thing. So just let's not alienate folks. Let's just treat everyone equally. So that's my take on that. And what was the second part of your thing? I said, have you ever been in a situation where someone you love or,

that you've been close to has felt a little bit ashamed or like you need to conceal yourself? Not in my life today, but like when I was young, because of my culture and religion, I was told all the time when like family would, family would come around and extended family or I was visiting family to conceal my appearance, to make, butcher up and just to like dim my shine basically.

which I still rebelled against. And yeah, I always chose me because it wasn't hurting anyone else, but I was met with that abruptly and hurtfully and maliciously quite often because people just care about what other people think, the community, what are people going to say, et cetera.

So what if they say things? Yeah. Amen. Amen. Yeah. I think that's, I feel that's a nice, empowering note to finish on it. It's been so lovely to speak to you.

So lovely. So lovely. So love to see to you both. Thank you for having you. Thank you for coming along. Yeah. And thank you for being so open. Yeah.

And yeah. I really appreciate it. Yeah. Just your confidence is really inspiring. So thank you so much. Thank you. Let's give it up for Shawna. Woo.

And if anyone needs to find you on social media, where can they reach you? Shawna Momsden on YouTube, Shawna underscore Mampson on TikTok and Instagram. And F. F.E. Downray. com on the Holy van. Right that, thank you, Your Honor. Woo!