Tea at Four - Will Molly-Mae regret getting back with Tommy Fury? We discuss cheating, girl best friends and toxic boy code

Episode Date: January 15, 2025

In this episode of Tea At Four, Lauren and Billy reunite for the first time in 2025. They discuss why New Years resolutions are toxic and what their moods for this year are, including taking up niche activities and how to say no to people more. They chat about the Molly-Mae and Tommy rumours, delving into which celebs have had cheating in their relationships in the past, and what the success rate is once they’ve gotten back together. Our audience also ask for our hosts advice on cheating-related dilemmas. One girl debates whether to tell a friend that she knows has been cheated on, and another wonders if her boyfriend’s female friend has alternative motives. If you have submissions or dilemmas, please send them into [e-mail]. And don’t forget to follow our Insta!

Hi guys, welcome back to T4, I'm Lauren. And I'm Billy and welcome back! This is the podcast where we talk all things that normally stay in the group chat and this is our first episode of the year. 2025 doesn't have the same ring as 2020 T4, but we'll take it. No, that's true, but we are in the quarter-quel. If we were in the Hunger Games every 25 years... Oh my god! Don't... The neek in me just squirted. Stop!

Err! No! Sorry! Sorry! On this week's episode, we answer some dilemmas around cheating. We talk about that New Year's Eve kiss by Molly May and Tommy Fury. And our manifestations for 2025. I feel like 2025 is going to be a big year. For who? For me. I will get bigger and bigger and bigger and I'll be the biggest I've ever been. Yeah, talking of, is that the woman, the aunt that blows up? Harry Potter is that in? Prista Vazkaban. Thanks for clarifying.

That's okay. Anyway. Yes. God, my brain is like a scatter. It's been a long time off, so we have had time to let brains rest and they're not awake yet. Rest is a word I'd say rot. Rot, oh you wanted it.

I have a big announcement to everyone. I got an iPad for Christmas. So I've been doing more scrolling than usual. So now I've got seven hours of screen time on this one, seven hours of screen time on that one. I am just hacking, like hacking the mainframe. Every single- Hacking your airport stewardess game.

I love it. Airplane chefs, please sponsor us because I love it. Oh my God, you're such an iPad kid. This is what you were always meant to be. This is your destiny. If you go back to the early episodes of TF4, and we had that episode that was like, what would you win if you,

what would you buy if you won the lottery? My first thing was an iPad. So I've, self-fulfilling prophecy has been complete. Vouch for this. And this isn't, that wasn't the only time you've mentioned wanting to get an iPad. Every time we walked past an Apple store, every time we saw someone wins loads of money

iPad iPad iPad Have you got the stylus because I feel like that makes it waiting apparently the dupes are really good Yeah, I'm just gonna get a dupe from Amazon I do that and apparently you can get a special like films put over the top of your iPad That's like paper to make it sound like this is so dystopian Paper babe, yeah, but you want to save the trees make it sound like this is so dystopian. Just get a fucking pen and paper, babe. Yeah, but you wanna save the trees. Yes, thank you.

Oh my God, I love that. That's so sweet that your boyfriend got you that for Christmas. Yeah, whole family actually, everyone pitched in. Oh my God, that's so sweet. Oh, well done, Cam. Well done, well done, well done. Anyway, out of Christmas territory, 2025,

obviously all the conversation is around the news resolutions yeah we're a bit over I'm all for kind of just like setting out a couple of goals that I'd love to achieve not gonna punish myself if I don't achieve them right I agree what were your thoughts lying when the clock struck 12 2025 runs around what's been in me gonna be this year? I was really excited. I really love a reset, okay? I love set having, you know, December we go crazy and I spend loads of money,

I eat loads of food and I feel like absolute dog shit. And so January is normally a really good time that I think, okay, let's new slate, new clean me, new year, whatever. And I was kind of like, okay, this year I'm not gonna set myself some crazy tasks. I'm not gonna, veganuary, dry January.

You ain't ever done that. I tried on you once. Really? Once, I made it to the 30th. Shut up, really? Yeah, that's crazy. I'm not doing that again. That's crazy, because we tried No Sugar November,

and I think you got today. Oh, I didn't make it. Oh, didn't like I lied. I lied every day I got to day 18 and I wasn't even having ketchup on my fish and chips Going home and having a bar chocolate. I Just want the gold star on the wall But I just feel like this so much. I just hate January January's the worst month of the year Yeah, and if I'm gonna make life changes, I don't think it needs to be in the month of the year

that I hate the most. That's so fair. So I think that I'm gonna make small life changes, but I know I need to quit vaping, and I am going to quit vaping. I know I need to exercise more, but I can't do those two things when it's freezing outside. And like, do you know what I mean?

Going to the gym in the dark, in the rain, in the cold, in the snow. in the cold, in the snow, ain't gonna happen in January. Absolutely, I've seen, my whole TikTok is flooded with 75 hard, 75 medium, where people are setting out a list of 10 rules that they have to stick to. That is so overwhelming.

Unachievable. And unachievable that I, it's fair enough if you wanna put some discipline in your life, but if you wanna do it in a time where you actually, I've been sleeping in a lot, let's just say. I've been getting my sleep. And there's a reason why animals hibernate.

There's wintering is wintering. Like our body clock is slightly, our body clock, no. Our body is moving slightly slower. We should be kinder. We should be nourishing with food that are nice. Not fucking calorie counting, where you're stroking yourself down. Piling myself in with water,

that's probably good for dry skin, fair enough. But like forcing myself through two 45 minute exercises when you're probably getting used to getting back into the routine of work. You know, I just think people are being too hard on themselves. I agree and I feel like I am going to, I have joined a new gym. A new one?

Yeah, it was too expensive and this one has a pool. Oh my God, is that the one you swim at? Yeah. Okay, I wanna go to that one. The pool that I swim at, yes it is. Yeah. Sorry, sorry, I mean. The one that's new here.

So I don't wanna fucking put, blast your gym on social media. Kensington Churl suit. The three people that listens to this. Yeah, it's the one, that one, it's kind of like, it's 30 pounds a month for gym and swimming, unlimited. And I thought I was paying 50 pounds for a gym that smelled of BO. So at least I could pay 30 pounds

for a gym that smells of BO with a swimming pool. It smells of BO. And the difference is it was you the whole time. Yeah, it was actually probably me the whole time. Yeah. But I haven't been yet. And I did join it on Sunday. But I've been ill, that's the other thing,

I can't make these big life changes when I'm ill. No, your immune system is down baby, get down with it. And my dad says you shouldn't work out if you're ill. You just get worse and you get iller. I love when parents or grandparents tell you stuff like that. Just like when I slept loads, I went to my dad's once and I was napping with her every time she did in the day.

Let's say she was like 80 at this point, so I was nodding off. And then this was like five times at that point, I looked at my nan and I was like, am I well? She's like, you must have needed it. You must have needed it. She knows what it means.

No, she's just a fucking lazy girl for your ass. Gonna make her some tea. I used to love the excuse that you lose weight when you sleep. Is it? Apparently so. Oh, I haven't told myself that because you lose weight when you sleep. Is it? Apparently so. Oh, I haven't told myself that because sleep does regenerate your cells. So I've been saying that's been helping my acne scars.

So me sleeping until half 11, I'm like, oh. Oh, body needed that bit. We should needed it. We should needed it. That's what you've got to tell us. That's the motto for 20 to 25. Yeah. What else is on your?

I feel like once I've got to a point of I'm back in the zone. Sticking foot in the gym. You know, I'll go back to the gym. Then I might start making like, maybe targets to work towards. Nice. I like, last year I started doing more activity-based stuff

like climbed a mountain. Amazing. Which is huge, really huge, exhausting. Six hours of walking. Don't recommend, but maybe I'll do another mountain this year. Maybe I'll do some more walks. What other mountains? Ben Nevis? Is that in Scotland? I don't know what that is, but yeah.

That's another mountain apparently. Scotland. Scotland. Biggest one in the UK, is it? I think so. The world? Oh yeah, maybe I won't do that. The world? Excuse me.

I don't know my geography. You don't know your mountains. But. Um, we'll pass, pass that quickly. Yeah. Uh, what else is I wanna do? I wanna just enjoy the time with my friends. Yeah.

I wanna make sure that I'm making wholesome memories as well as like crazy fun ones. Enjoying life with balance. That's what I think I wanna do this year. It's beautiful. Not exhaust myself. Exhaust ourselves. Any aspect.

No baby. What about you? It's amazing. So similar to you, I really wanted to hone in on activities and skills for 2025. Skills is a good one. But not like I can run in a marathon. No, you're crazy if you wanna do that. I'm sorry. I'm not doing that. I don't need to see your training and I don't need to see it.

That's my opinions on marathon runners. This is the thing that people are doing like 75 hard and medium. It's like they've got a contract that they have to fucking speak about every five minutes. Oh my gosh. It's all stick. Yeah. Anyway, so I started small and I want to hone back to the basic skills that I don't think I ever learned in school or growing up. So I'll tell you what I did on Monday night.

My little local bar does a mending and fixing class every Monday of the month. And I've got a couple of buttons. I don't have a clue how to sew them back onto. I was gonna give them to you, because Billy's amazing at sewing and stuff. But I thought I need to hone this skill for myself. So I did a, got a little bag together of, you know, it's like a top and some trousers, a button,

something that needed like, some jeans that needed up turning. I took my little bag down to fixing a mending class and I learned how to sew a button. I love that. With some little like-minded people that are sat there just fixing stuff every first Monday of the month. But that's something that I never learned in school and I thought I could sit and learn this from a YouTube video, but how nice to interactively, socially. I rate that so much.

And they're all just out there repairing their socks. And I think that there's a whole different outlook on that generation of like, don't just throw things away. But like, it's like something to do with your hands that isn't iPads. No, yeah. And what did you do when you came out of there? I mean, I was gagging for it. I know it's bad, I was like, Cam I can't wait to get in bed

and play on my iPads. That was amazing. Oh my gosh. Aeroplane chef, I've got a shift to do. I do a shift. But that was amazing. But I tell you something funny happened. I had a big back moment at fixing a mending class. Big back moment? Big back moment. So the lady, one of the ladies in charge, she came and sat with me and my boyfriend and

I had a pair of jeans that needed like sewing to be upturned. Upturned, what do you mean? So like the end, the cuffed. Oh, right, okay, yeah, yeah. Sorry, the end cuffed. And so she puts them out on a table for us, so he's doing one leg and I'm doing the other leg. Anyway.

And um. This is, do you know what I'm thinking of right now? What? Like the little mice in Cinderella. Yes! Cinderella, Cinderella! You know what I'm thinking of right now? Like the little mice in Cinderella. Yes! Cinderella, Cinderella! Yeah, I'm Jack Jack. Gus Gus.

Gus Gus. That's it. Gus Gus. And so she's laying them out on the table and as she did that, some chocolate fell. Like some chocolate crumbs fell. And she was like, oh, oh, there's some chocolate crumbs there. I'm not judging. And at first I was a bit embarrassed,

but then I was like, it's fine. And then I kept thinking about it. I was like, Cam, I was like, such a big back moment, fucking chocolate falling out of your cuff trousers. Some stranger seeing it. Anyway, we finished cuffing the trousers. I'm really impressed.

And I go to like string them up and look at them myself. And I was like, God, I feel something in the pocket. I look down, there's a half-eaten milk with fat, dairy milk in the pocket that we've just been sewing around. It's just conjugated. It's probably so, but that's weird because it doesn't sound like me. I'd never leave a half a chocolate bar. No, you wouldn't. I think that's really suspicious. Someone's been classing some. Someone's been setting you up! Oh my

gosh that's crazy. I love that activity though. It's lovely. It was really, really made me feel good and there was that classic thing, it was the end of work and I was like I can't be fucked to go to this. This seemed like an amazing idea yesterday but it's free. You get to see sweet little people that care about things like that still. I feel like our generation has kind of lost that a little bit. And it was free. It was free.

That's so sweet. And you just take your stuff down and we just stood there and we were like, we don't know how to set a button, can someone help us? And they're like, yes, of course. Oh, that is so adorable. I love that idea of like,

did you say you're gonna learn something new every month? Exactly, yeah. I really wanna steal that. You can have it. Can I have it? Thank you. Everyone can do it. I have two questions on that, Lauren. Go.

What does big back moment mean? Oh, it's a time on social media of like a moment where you did something that was like, showed you had a big back, like greedy. And then secondly, did Cam want to do this with you? Oh yeah. That's so cute. Yeah, because he, well,

Cam's taken up this big interest this year or more so it's what lights his spark inside of him where he wants to like basically string up a fucking shootin' hair and cook it on the barbecue and go fish you. Sorry? No I don't know if the gay in me just didn't understand what you said. No sorry, he goes, this is pretty straight. I have no idea what you said. Sorry, he goes, it was pretty straight. I have no idea what you said then. So he wants to basically hone in his survival skills. Okay.

You know, you're tying your knots, you're killing wildlife. Boy Scouts. Yeah, you're sewing a button. Okay. Things like that. So I think we were both on the same page, just like we don't know how to do these basic things.

So how better else to do it than to look what's going on the local area. There's a kind of little bird rescue site that I want to send him up for, which is like fixing birds wings, setting them off to fly. Oh my God. That's so, yeah, that's sweet.

But it's better to do that than drinking, isn't it? No, 100%. 100%. So yeah, hope we can continue that for the rest of the year. But something I guess I want to leave in 2025 and kind of looped in with something, leave in 2024, sorry, that looped in

with something that happened on the way home is being overly polite to strangers that just like, I always feel this innate need to like never say no or be like, sorry, can you leave me alone? And it puts me in a couple of predicaments, so I'll tell you for why. I'm always the kind of person that if I'm on the tube, someone will continue to come over and speak to me,

you know, earphones on, not looking for a convo. But on my way home, we were walking and these two men were walking, and this guy just stops me and he goes, right, my dog is illegal, but would you mind if he just came up to you and see if he's all right with you? I mean, alright. Sorry?

This illegal dog is just jumping up at my thing. You mean like an XL bully? It wasn't an XL but he said it's an illegal type. A medium bully. A medium bully. I was so calm as I was like, is it an XL? And he was just like, no, no, no, but he is illegal. Do you mind if we just like see how he socialises around you? I'm there just like, you're alright. Oh my God, that's why I always have headphones in.

Yeah, I know, but they still stop me. And I'll still be like, you're talking about my face apart. I'm so sorry, that is crazy to me. I know. Maybe your next class can be rude lessons. Yeah, I'll come to yours. You'll come to my house.

I have No chance. I get really annoyed by, what's the word? Like people who stand out and they try and like praise the Lord, you're going to hell and you're- I preach. Preachers, I get really annoyed by preachers at the moment. Yeah. And I can feel like every time they come up to me,

like I would just like, I don't know, there's something about like, I don't know, there's something about like, I don't like it when anyone tries to over enforce their beliefs and their way of life on anyone. And I just feel like I don't have the time for that. And I found myself being a little bit rude to those people at the moment. Really, how do you do it?

Especially when they come up to me and I'm like, I'm not interested and it's a little bit, yeah. On the back of the head or? Especially if I'm talking, especially when I'm with, I'm not interested. And it's a little bit, yeah. On the back of the head or? Especially if I'm talking, if I'm so, especially when I'm with the head like a bash. Move. No, oh, it's just like, no, I don't want, like I've changed my tone a little bit and maybe I am becoming older, but like,

at what point is it okay to be rude to people? You know, like certain people of certain age now have no problem being rude. I don't wanna be that age. I know, I know. I just find myself just... Or short answers I find really work, no. Yeah, yeah. That's it. Or giving a reason for it.

No, yeah. Yeah. I'm, yeah, there's a time and place, like obviously I don't wanna be rude to everyone all the time. Just your friends. Just my friends, but like, yeah, people are like, well, see, you don't know what people have got in their lives. Oh, absolutely.

So you just, you don't need to be in my space. Yeah. I saw a really nice TikTok last night, actually. It was like turning really fucking annoying situations into positive things. So like, if you're behind someone in a car and they're going really slow, they might have a birthday cake in the back

that they're trying to get to a safe place. Or I don't know, if someone's, oh fuck, I wanna find it, because it was really sweet. Hang on. That's very rose tinted glasses. Rose tinted glasses. So I don't know if that's a complete juxtaposition

to me saying that I wanna stop conversing with strangers. Yeah, I think there's a deeper rooted issue here that you're too nice. Yeah. I don't know if I'll be able to find it. Yeah, that is such a juxtaposition of you say you want to be rude to people and then you're giving me.

I know, so it said, your server forgot your drink. Maybe it's their first day on the job. They didn't text you back. Maybe they're overwhelmed and just needs some time. You never truly know what's going on. Might as well be positive. Yeah, that's fair. So I do think I have that outlet most of the time.

I never get angry at like things like people working their jobs and stuff. I think maybe if someone does approach me with kind of a legal kind of creature, I should feel like I could say, not today, thank you. I think in any space where you use a public space and someone comes up to you, you have a right just to walk away.

Sure. Because you're not in an environment where you're expected to like actually speak to anyone. Yeah, I've not got a duty of care. No, you don't. And actually, why is he talking to you? Go talk to his friends. True.

Well, you're not gonna. You're not gonna. Yeah, so obviously around New Year's Eve, there was that viral clip of Molly May and Tommy in a quick pan, they were caught red handed. I knew this was gonna happen. Did you? It was actually on my 2025 bingo card.

Really? What, getting back together? Getting back together. There was just something in the way that like, I don't think, I think the breakup was genuine, but I just think the way that both of them handled the breakup felt like they weren't finished with each other.

Do you know what I mean? Like, you know when sometimes you think they're gonna get back together, but I don't agree. I don't know, like it's up to them what they do with their relationship, but once there's been allegations of like cheating, it changes everyone's perspective,

not just those close to you and like that's up to them, but I don't think they're gonna have the same like, I don't know, the way that people view their relationship is gonna be different now. Yeah, yeah. So obviously it was alleged that a girl came forward that she ended up cheating with Tommy, which is a thing all in itself.

And then we kind of look at those two people separately now. We've got Molly handing herself with grace, me watching her vlogmas. I love how she handled the breakups to be honest. She's a bit of a queen, she's very honest about it on her vlogs. And then we've got Tommy sprinting past. Oh my God, that.

10K's, ick. That is the funniest thing I saw all Christmas. In a park run? Why are you acting like that towards, who are you trying to impress? It was the best thing I see all Christmas. In a park run? Why are you acting like that? So, who are you trying to impress? It was the best thing I see all Christmas. Him running like Bowser from Mario Kart. Wow, big boss Bowser.

Big boss Bowser, like he's just picked up like four mushrooms and is like destroying Barbara on a fucking park run. So embarrassing. It was incredible. I saw so many gifs and memes and thank you for that, Tommy Fury. Because you really made my day.

Yeah. But you know what? There's two different people after a breakup. You've got the one that maybe focuses on the fitness, all about the revenge body, and then you've got the girl that's maybe hurting, but she's very real, she's very strong, very queen. I love it.

But it did beg the question in my brain, can people that are in a relationship where one person is cheated end up getting back together and have a happy relationship? Honestly, no. I don't think so. I don't think so. I think people can try to make a separate relationship,

but I don't think I know anyone that would 100% gain full trust. I think once you do something like that, regardless of like the severity of the infidelity, your trust is broken and it will never be the same and maybe you'll be chasing a relationship that just has gone down. True, I think if it was a case of both of them are cheated,

maybe it could work, because then you finally, you're kind of on equal playing fields when you come back together. And then maybe you just go into an open relationship. Yeah, maybe, but then they don't, I don't think they necessarily last very long either. In queer relationships, most relationships are open.

Really? Well, not most, but a lot of them are open, yeah. And it's just they're like, I don't know, it depends if you review, how you view sex. Is it like emotional or is it physical or is it both? Yeah, I thought. But yeah, I just think that one, if you haven't got those boundaries in place

and that's not something you've agreed to in the first place, you're not gonna, I'm sorry, but any celebrity couple that's got back, you just think, do you really love them? Or is it like something else that like? Well, I have to ask the obvious one. Beyonce and and Jay-Z do you think they're truly happy? mmm I know sorry I love Beyonce she bangs on about it every five minutes she does and I normally would defend Beyonce to the grave yeah but I do think

that this like she's a smart businesswoman and he's like I think he is the richest like music artist of all time because he has so many business ventures he's like worth like two billion and you know I think Beyonce's always been determined what she wants and like how she wants to present herself and it you know their joint assets are ridiculous right is it smarter to work past it and actually get to a happy place or is it you know to where break it off and then like go through absolute hell? Yeah but every time she's making a song about it it's just bringing up you know the past I

feel like you can get to a place where you could put a lot of money into therapy and a lot of money into you know healing yeah and then she's got a whole fucking track list which is bringing up Becky with a good hair in five minutes yeah but that's what she is she's an artist yeah and I list, which is bringing up Becky with a good hair in five minutes. Yeah, but that's what she is, she's an artist. Yeah, and I guess you do write about your trauma. Also, there's also like, questions in that, I think her dad obviously cheated on her mom. Is it?

And that kind of like, you know, so she's experienced trauma for a breakup through that aspect. And then she's also had it on her own. And apparently there's loads of theories actually, the last album is about her mom's experience with it. Oh they do do that. Yeah because like Jolene is written from the perspective of a woman from Louisiana and that's where my mum's from. And her mum was a massive Dolly Parton fan

in like when she was growing up. Oh wow. Which is quite interesting. You heard it at first. Sorry. No it's fine. Snowballed there. That's interesting I do I do think the no I'm not gonna say that actually because it's bashing women. Does it help if the person's ugly? I know what you mean like we were in this conversation earlier and we I was saying that I think I'd be more offended if they were ugly. Or someone that I do not mean I would be like them them I just wouldn't be more offended if they were ugly. Or someone that I, do you know what I mean? I would be like, them, them! I just wouldn't be able to like fathom it because then I'd be like, am I uglier than them?

Yeah, but then I'd know it was just like a, I had to get something out of the system. Not that I would ever stand for cheating, but. I don't know. Oh, and I think maybe you've seen it from the perspective of like, oh, she's possibly prettier than me, blah, blah, blah. I mean, security.

Yeah, I think that's where I'd be quite threatened. Yeah, and I think- But I think I'd be less threatened if it was like a little pig. A little pig. Yeah, I think that's where our internalised misogyny comes into play, because I would be the same. Yeah, it's not good though, is it?

No. No, but really, like, if the situation has happened and Tommy has cheated, I wonder what that would look like, him coming back into the home and what would he have? I think the boy would have to put in so much work to prove that he is fully trustworthy, fully dedicated to the future of their relationship.

Their family, that's the thing, when there's a kid involved, it's even more sticky. Yeah, I think that's why people try to, a lot of the time couples who have kids try to make it work, you know, because they have someone else's lives that's more important than theirs. Yeah.

You know, I think that's what happened with Beyonce and Jay-Z, they had Blue, they had a kid to think about, and like, were they gonna like put that kid through that life, and sometimes you have to sacrifice your happiness for your child. That's crazy, yeah. I wouldn't.

I wouldn't. No chance. No, I think, yeah, if there's a kid involved, that person even knew even more so what was at stake. So I don't want you around in my energy. No, absolutely not. But I have been in a situation before where I've been in a relationship and I've been cheated on.

And there are just these spark moments of like anything happy or like, even if you're doing something intimate where it will pop into your head and like that fucking tears you apart it's like a lightning bolt of just like no ruin this moment and I have to vocalize it or I have to choose to be the bigger person and not say anything about it but they should be the bigger fucking person not done it in the first place. 100% and that's what I mean like can you you can't really can you and I'm sure I doubt that anyone that's been cheated on doesn't feel your exact pain in

that because that's all I would have, that's all I can imagine. It's human. And how can you then expect to like have the same relationship that you had someone when you've got, you're going through that process. And do you ever get over that? I know. And it's like, I almost expect the other person to be saying sorry every day. Yeah. To be working hard to kind of make reparations

for me every day. Sometimes I feel like it's a lot harder to say it's over if you're still in love with them. True. But you'll never truly be in love with them as you were. And like, it's probably really difficult and hard, especially as a young mum like Molly is like to realize that she probably is better off without him. Yeah but also to

be alert, be a single mum forever. That's it. Yeah. Well she'll get another boyfriend but it's a scary prospect. It's also yeah like that it's a very difficult one I. Yeah, that's our two pence. Hope she's okay. Yeah, we love you, Molly. So on the topic of cheating, infidelity, we have had some submissions. So first up we have, hey guys, love the pod. I thought I'd get your advice on a situation

that's been really making me anxious. So my boyfriend, we've been together for 8 months, has this girl best friend, this alone is absolutely fine, but this one he recently confessed was in love with him a couple of years ago. She told him and he didn't feel the same but they managed to stay friends. My problem is that they chat all the time, she's always arranging meetups to chat about her problems. He will go on solo dates with her. I feel like a bitch because I know they're just friends and he feels nothing but I can't help but feel Her feelings make this situation feel like cheating to me. Am I wrong? What do you think? How do I overcome this? Wow, this was slightly close to home. I've been in a similar situation

And then he ended up acting on it and cheating. Really? I feel like it's just delaying the inevitable. I agree. I do feel like if she's already put out her intentions and her feelings and... How did he respond? I would love to know how he responded to it. Whether it was like, no, I don't have feelings for you right now.

It's really difficult to ever make someone like choose between their friend and their girlfriend or their partner. But if you're aware that this person has feelings for you and you're doing, sorry. And you're doing things that are perhaps traditionally romantic, like going on solo dates, going to the cinema,

going for lunch. But are they just going to lunch and solo dates, going to the cinema, going for lunch. Like, but are they just going to lunch and then they're going to the cinema? Is that a date or is that what she's kind of like? Yeah, what is it they're actually doing? I don't know. I think if that was me, I would have to ask my partner to maybe set some boundaries. Yeah. Like, I don't mind you being friends with them, but do you have to do stuff just the two of you? Yeah. Because like why can't there be a third friend or like why is it just the two of you and you know how like they feel. Yeah. And it feels a little bit like cheating to me. It's a hard situation from like this girl's perspective even if like you say setting boundaries there's this thing that you almost don't

want to make a big deal out of it and even like going to the girl one-on-one or going to the boyfriend one-on-one want to make a big deal out of it. And even like going to the girl one-on-one or going to the boyfriend one-on-one is like making a big deal out of it and looking insecure. But I think you've got every right to kind of say that I'm not comfortable with this, especially with the feelings in the past. Yeah. I mean, also like, I just don't understand

if my friend turned around to me and was like, oh, I have feelings for you and I didn't have that reciprocated, I don't think I could be as close to them naturally. I don't think I could then be like, oh, let's carry on my life as normal knowing that you fancy me. Yeah. Like, if it's definitely not reciprocated. That's a really good point.

I feel like you wouldn't, would you? No, I think, but the way a man's brain works, like a straight man,. I feel like you wouldn't would you? No I think but the way a man's brain works, like a straight man sorry, is like would they take the gas off the pedals with like a friend platonic friendship thing or would they like play into it a little bit? Or like just maybe ignore it completely and not take that person's feelings into consideration? Yes that's true. It could either or, but I think the main thing here, which is needed, is an open and honest conversation. I agree.

And I don't know whether there should be one with the girl best friend and you, but definitely between you and your partner to kind of lay down that like, this is too much. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I feel like there's no harm in just telling them how they feel. Or like, yeah, telling them how they feel

and just being like, look, this makes me feel uncomfortable. Yeah. And what can we do that's fair? Like, I'm not asking you to change your life. That's the thing, I imagine a boy would be like, okay, what's the solution then? What should I do then?

And it's like, and they'll be like, what, should I just ignore her or, and then you feel like a dick for bringing it up. Yeah. I just find it weird that the girl's best friend is a boy. Yeah. Sorry, sexist misogynistic comment. But like, where are your girlfriends?

Yeah. Like. Those kind of girls with the boy best friends are always that type. I hate to be that person to say it, but Yeah. Anyone that says, like, I don't trust, like, when a person says,

oh, I'm not a girl's girl, or I'm not a girl's, you know, I don't get on with girls, what's, that screams a little bit, like, problematic to me a little bit. True, and I think a really good girl's best friend, as someone who is a girl and knows that that insecurity that girlfriend might be having, you should make more of an effort with her

and just kind of like, maybe leave no ambiguity that the kind of feelings that were there in the past aren't there now, like there should be that reassurance that just like, no, this is so platonic, we're just going for lunch, we're just going to see my, you come as well, why don't we make this a three thing? I was just thing? If that isn't there, then that's when I'd worry a bit. And if it's like a territorial thing as well, if she's being like, no, I just wanna spend time

with him one on one. That's- I don't like it, personally. Everyone has to- So kill her. Yeah, agreed. How you do it is up to you. I would choose car, cliff.

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Yeah, so just taking what we said into consideration. Hope that helped. But girl best friend territory is very difficult to navigate, so my heart is with you. Yeah, I'm not envious of your situation. Oh, that's nice. Okay, oh no. I just found out my boyfriend's best friend cheated

on his girlfriend. I'm actually quite close with him too, as we've known each other for years now and I've only known his girlfriend for a few months but we get on really well. It's not my place to tell her and my boyfriend and I have encouraged him to tell her but he refuses but now I end up in deep conversations with his girlfriend on nights out about her relationship with him and I can't say a word. Should I tell her? When does girlhood overrule social rules? I think both he and my boyfriend would hate me

if I told her but I feel so bad. This is really hard. I definitely was in this predicament when I was younger. Everyone would fucking cheat. Everyone in my ex-boyfriend's friend group all cheated on their girlfriends and then I'm friends with the girlfriends and then we're all just there texting on a night out,

not being able to sleep at night. It's the worst situation to be in. Yeah. No, I, what would I do in that situation? It depends how, like, I remember my friend telling me about like the exact similar situation.

Like it was her best friend and then like over time, like she became closer to the girlfriend. But obviously she'd found out that like he'd cheated and like when is the appropriate time to say, do you say? And I think she ended up threatening him. Like, it was just like, you need to say before I do. And like, you need to fix that because that's not fair for me to have that guilt.

Isn't it weird? I think that maybe it's the difference between like a guy and a girl. And I could be wrong because I don't really know any girls that have cheated, but like that would eat me alive. I would not be able to look at that girlfriend in the face every day if I was a boyfriend and you know.

No way. Anything like that I can't. Even knowing everyone else knows as well. Just like, you're not just like. Like even, yeah. Throw so many likes. I don't think I could keep a secret like that. No.

It depends, yeah. I'm in a weird one where like a lot of my best friends are going out with my other best friends. So like, if one of them came to me and said I cheated on my boyfriend, I would be like, so you've cheated on my other best friends. So like, if one of them came to me and said I cheated on my boyfriend, I'd be like, so you've cheated on my other best friend? I like, I can't tell, I have to tell this person because I'd encourage them to tell them.

But when it's a friend situation that you are really close with and you don't know the partner that well, like where's your loyalty line? How long does it lie for? I think that's the classic thing. Like no one wants to disturb the balance of the kind of friend groups

if they are going out with each other. You don't want to be responsible for that girl's unhappiness, but I actually think every situation I have seen where an outsider girl has told the girlfriend, it's just done the girlfriend a favor in the long run. Yeah, I agree. And I think actually the longer- The guy will get on with it.

The guy will get on with another person ASAP, but for a girl, I feel like the longer she's being blindsided, knowing everyone else is blindsided her as well, that is so painful to get over. That's trauma. Yeah, I can imagine. And I actually, I agree. I feel like if you've started to feel like

you've become friends with this partner that's being cheated on, and the cheating still occurs, like then that's where I draw the line. Like if I consider them a friend and the cheating is like happened in recent times, then I have a duty to tell her. True.

Okay, so if you were to go to the boyfriend and threaten him, what would it sound like? Threaten? I mean, I'm not doing any threatening. Oh, I was going to say, sorry, sorry. So you said that situation with your friends in the past, but I think that is actually a really good way of going about it, which I think I would try. So I think I would say just something like, look, I don't agree with it. I really love so and so. And the way you treat her isn't fair. Either you tell her or I will.

Nice. Like give them the ultimatum, but she will know by the end of the day. Oh, end of the day. Time limit, time limit is good. Yeah. Because I think that's the thing, like these cheating acts will occur

and there'll never be a right time to say it. No. And it'd be like, I don't want to say it before Christmas because I've got the Christmas gift never be a right time to say it. And it'd be like, I don't want to say it before Christmas because I've got the Christmas gifts, but then I don't want to say it before New Year's because we've got this plan and I don't want to say it before this holiday because we've got that plan.

Get it out your, fuck your mouth. Get it out your pants, get it out your mouth. No, keep it in your pants and get it out your mouth. Absolutely. Yeah. I think, yeah. Let's stop that though. 2025, no cheating. Boring. God. Did think, yeah. Let's stop that though. 2025, no cheating. Boring.

God. Did you see as well, there were loads of TikToks of people on Raya and seeing Lily Allen on it. And there was this narrative that like Lily was the one that was cheating on David Harbour, but then it ended up coming out that she was actually on Raya trying to catch him,

sleuthing. Yeah, that's bad. To catch him and apparently he was cheating with loads of girls. That's disgusting. Also, sorry, not to be rude, but he's a pig. Oh! Like, she could do so much better.

I really like him. Really, I did not see the appeal. What's his name in Stranger Things? Hopper. Hopper. Yeah, that is the biggest, I don't get any appeal from him. I think that she's funny and cool

and she could do a lot better. Isn't he like 50 or something? What's wrong with being 50? Everything. You're old and you need to crap it and you're boring. No, it's another case of man who's punching tries to continue punching elsewhere. Yeah.

You could be more right there, Billy. It's jarring. It's actually really boring as well. And the fact that women have to go to that kind of length to catch the man out in the act. Yeah. They're married. They are married. Yeah, they're married.

Did she do that knowing? And just that was her way to find out? She had a theory that like he was on the apps and I think she'd heard from a friend. And so she'd catch him out for herself, went on. Gut feeling is so real. Do you know what is really also worth saying on the opposite foot, how she is,

like if you like get with someone a night out and like you start, you do someone a night out and like you start and you do some stuff with them and then you find out they're in a relationship yeah you feel complicit in like yeah in that and you're like I had no idea I don't know if it's me but like I haven't really got with I haven't really had any one night stand never really like randomly kissed a guy in the club but like I don't know I don't know the vibe that someone gives off I feel like I'd know if they'd have a girlfriend or not can you not? No. Too drunk? Too drunk. Yeah fair. I don't know I just feel like I'd never put my mouth or

so on where I didn't know where they've been. Oh I will. Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas. Happy New Year. So this is the part of the podcast where we give our media wrecks of the week. Billy what's yours? For mine? It's a TV show that my mum and dad recommended and I don't know how you're gonna react it's called Brassic. Oh I have heard of it. It's so funny yeah Michelle Keegan, Dominic West, another cheater, a guy from plebs, the guy from This is England, yeah it's really really funny. It's so good it's so It's basically, it follows this group of kind of like working class thieves up north, but they're like idiots and they get themselves into the most stupid like jobs and like it's all this kind of like working class drama mixed with kind of like the most like,

there's one episode where they have to steal ball semen because it's worth so much money and they can't get into the freezer so they end up wanking off a ball. Oh my God. It's just so stupid. I just started watching it. It's horrible.

It's really nice, it's really fun. Wait, when's that set? What kind of period is that set? It's like modern. Oh. Modern, sorry. I like things set in like a history. It's like 20s, 20s, 20s, 20s.

It's really good, the music's really good. It's like modern. Modern, sorry. I like them set in like, I agree. It's like, 20s, it's really good. The music's really good. It's also peppered with like, it's such amazing messages in it. Yeah. Really. So it's not just like, it's like they, they're all the least likely to be like,

really pro all of these things and then just really. Yeah, like the guy, one of the guys is gay, mixed race. And like the main character is like, they talk about his sexuality, but that is never a problem. Oh, love it. And he's just like, he's gay, so what? And he just like really normalizes all of these kind of like stereotypes

or like takes away the stereotypes that you would actually class with these certain working class people. And he's also like a traveler. Oh, amazing. So he's like, yeah, it's just really good at like kind of like probably said, like throwing these good messages with good representation.

And it's really fucking funny. I am going to check that out because I need something to watch on Netflix. Oh, there's two more seasons on Sky that I can't get because they're on Sky. What? Two more seasons? Five and six are on Sky. Is it old then? Yeah, it came out in 2019. Oh God. I didn't realise as well. I've got Now TV. Will it be on there? Can I have your Now TV? Yeah, it came out in 2019. Oh, good. I didn't realize as well. I've got now TV, will it be on there?

Yay. Can I have your now TV? Yeah, maybe. No, of course. I don't use it. That's fine. Okay, amazing. Well, thank you for that recommendation.

Billy? You're welcome. My recommendation, should be following me on Instagram. You'll see me half and on about it like I'm the fucking PR for this film. I'd like to mute you. No, joking. I wanna mute me. So I like to mute you. No, I'm joking.

I want to mute me. So I went to go see Better Man. Yeah. Okay. The Willie Robbie biopic. The Robbie Williams biopic where he is... An ape? An ape.

Now, the thing about this is everyone saw the trailer everyone thought it was ridiculous even saying that out loud Robbie Williams has played by an ape seems stupid but it is done so incredibly well I would say it's on par with Wicked for me. I know you said that and it shocked me. I am going to see it and I actually think I'm gonna go, well you're gonna go with me. Yeah I'm gonna go again. And I will eat my words because there's something about Robbie Williams that is so nostalgic and I love him because he just reminds me of like the early noughties.

Yes. And like I love a biopic. I love watching celebrities' biopics. I think it's really interesting that he plays him, doesn't he? He plays himself. So it's a weird thing. There's actually a younger actor that plays him

and does his voice, but I thought it was him the whole time. I really, so he's not in it? No, his voice is. But then it's also not his voice, it's this younger person, but it sounds so much like him. But it's like, it tells the whole story from like where he grew up,

his relationship with his family and how important they were to like his journey. And, you know, being in there to take that and like how awful he was treated, to be honest, by the manager. This is the thing, I don't trust any biopic where the star has a say in it. Oh, really? I don't know why.

I also feel like people should only have biopics when they're dead. I don't agree with that. Really? I want a biopic about me when I'm alive. Snorefest. Yeah, true. You in your bed with your iPad.

I don't know, that's a weird, it almost feels like it should be like a film that honors someone's life. And how can you, I don't know, like, how can you make a biopic if you're still alive and you're still living through some moments? Well, I will tell you, you just need to watch a film. I don't think it was fit enough. I also feel like a film works well when someone dies at the end of a film.

But let's say... But close. Yeah, fair. But let's say like you live till you're 80, Robbie Williams lives till he's 80. I think encapsulating that in a two-hour film wouldn't be as effective as like a pocket of his life that has been so incredible and monumental than like a whole bit where you start getting old and depressed. Like, I don't know, there's something about his story

that I obviously see when it gets explained, but like he's clearly healed so much and been in such an environment that you see now why so many child stars get so fucked up. And then amazingly, he's come out the other side. I think it was kind of mixed with a bit of sadness in me because I think his journey slightly maybe mimicked like Liam Payne, but the difference is obviously

all the things that he's now got through on the other side, Liam Payne wouldn't have or got the support with, which is sad. But I think Robbie Williams, it's sad that as well, Americans don't put any respect on his name. Yeah, but I also feel like he doesn't need it. I know, but no one's even bothered to even go see that at the box office.

He doesn't have any, I don't think his song's charted there at all. Trotted. Trotted, charted. None of his songs charted there. I don't think Take That even charted there. Which is like considering how big he was around the rest of Europe.

But then that's also just like Americans ignorance once again, it's their own fault. Do you know how it impacts in the gay clubs for the first like two years of Take That being a thing, they would only go to gay clubs and perform. Really? Kind of slay. That is slay.

Yeah. Oh my God. It's really cool perform. Really? That is slow. Yeah. Oh my god. It's really cool. Okay I'll watch it. Yeah it's just really really amazing and I really urge everyone to go and watch it and also it was done by the people that did the Greatest Showman. I watched that last night actually. I watched it the other week. Did you? Yeah. I just love a big performance. Yeah I do as well. Big group performance. I couldn't work out if the songs I hated or loved. Is that a weird thing to say? What? So my feet are out. What?

There's something about the Great Showman where the music, I'm like, I wanna like this song, but I hate this song. No, I love them all. Really? Even This Is Me? Oh no, that's been overplayed. I just hate, I hate any song that's so on the nose.

I'm a bit confused by that because the girl that sings that, oh my god, I'm so starving. That girl that's called Rebecca Ferguson that's not Rebecca Ferguson from X Factor, she performs in the film and then a girl called Lauren Alrad did her voice but then ended up going on America's Got Talent. Big brother. No. No. Britain's Got Talent. America's Got Talent. She went on to, oh was it Britain's Got Talent. Big brother. No. Britain's Got Talent. America's Got Talent.

She went on to... She went to the UK. Oh, was it Britain's Got Talent? She was on The Voice in the US. That's how her voice got noted. She sung it. And I was saying this last night as we were watching it. Sorry, but Rebecca Ferguson, why have you...

She can't sing it. Don't play it. Exactly. Just because you have a girl in. No one cares about Rebecca Ferguson. Sorry, hun. I, sure you're lovely, but she's not a star in the way that like Zendaya, Zac Efron, Hugh Jackman,

people would want to go see them in the films. That could have been played by Rebecca Ferguson from X Factor. Rebecca Ferguson from X Factor, from the voice from America's Got Talent. No, do you know what I'm talking about when I say that, X Factor. Yeah, Rebecca, I used to love her,

I used to buy her album. She came second to Matt. Yeah, Rebecca, I used to love her. I bought her album. She came second to Matt Cardell. Literally, I'd rather go see her. I'd rather go see her. I'd rather go see someone who can actually, watch a film where someone can actually sing. Also, the most, I'm not sorry, really snowballing. And another thing.

Another thing about that film is, when she's doing Never Enough, she's like, never, never. Never. Oh. You're not singing. It's too much, team too much, babe. So much.

Yeah. We didn't mis-attract, did we? No. No flaws were lost. So yeah, weird about that. I am, yeah, but I will go see Batman with you this week, maybe. Batman? Batman.

Oh, God, I was gonna say. Batman! I'm watching that. Oh, no, they need to stop making Batman films, that's one thing. There's a fucking new Batman Joker film every fucking year. Penguin? What the fuck is that? Yeah, exactly. Superman's out this year. I'm just getting silly now.

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