Tech Over Tea - #26 The Mr Robot Cast S1 - feat Corey & Kenley

Episode Date: August 26, 2020

I finally got around to watching Mr Robot and because I did we're finally getting around to the Mr Robot episode of the show, I plan to do 1 of these for each season of the show and I might start doing them for other shows as well, but we'll see how that goes, so joining me on this episode of Tech Over Tea are 2 returning guests Corey and Kenley. ==========Support The Channel========== ► Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/brodierobertson ► Paypal: https://www.paypal.me/BrodieRobertsonVideo ► Amazon USA: https://amzn.to/3d5gykF ► Other Methods: https://cointr.ee/brodierobertson ==========Video Release========== 📚 LBRY: https://open.lbry.com/@TechOverTea:3 🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBq5p-xOla8xhnrbhu8AIAg DISCLOSURE: Wherever possible I use referral links, which means if you click one of the links in this video or description and make a purchase we may receive a small commission or other compensation. I am a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and related sites. 🎵 Intro Music Aces High by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3337-aces-high License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/

Welcome to episode 26 of Tech of Tea, I'm as always your host Brodie Robertson and today we are doing something a little bit different from normal. I've actually got, if you're watching the audio version, I've actually got two guests on the show right now. Welcome back to the show, Ken Lee. He was on, do you remember what episode number you're watching the audio version, I've actually got two guests on the show right now. Welcome back to the show, Kenley. He was on... Do you remember what episode number you're on? I believe it was episode three.

Three, okay. Three or four. And we also have Corey back on the show as well. Hello, hello. And his audio is... As I was... This episode is going to be a bit too loud because audio is just a mess when you have multiple people in Discord. But there's only so much we can do with it.

Anyway, what we are doing today is both these guys have been bothering me about watching Mr. Robot for quite a while now. Too long. Yeah, way too long. And I decided that after I watched the season, we're going to basically go back and talk about the first season of Mr. Robot,

and because of that, there is going to be lots and lots of spoilers for this series, so if you haven't seen Mr. Robot, I give you five seconds to leave, or I'm going to spoil the entire season for you. five seconds to leave or i'm going to spoil the entire season for you one two three four five elliot is mr robot uh darlene is elliot's sister shayla is dead and um vera sucks tyrol likes it in the butt tyrol definitely likes it in the butt actually no he likes likes it in the butt. Actually, no, he likes giving it in the butt.

I don't know if he'll take it. We didn't see that in that scene, did we? No, I remember this. I think you just paid too much attention to who was... It was a very long scene. You had to kind of pay attention to it. I think it was like five years ago I don't remember I remember it was

it was a thing but yeah it was definitely a thing yeah yeesh so I've actually got like a series of notes here to go through but ooh wait I like this

if you've got any way that you want to start with, then I'm happy to start with that. Okay. Out of all the shows you watched, Brody, where would you put this? Where would you put Mr. Robot? After just seeing the first season? Yeah.

Well, there was a brief point in around the middle of the series where it was kind of getting a little bit slow which is what i sort of expected from what you were saying that was sort of around uh just before all the stuff with like evil corpse that are happening with finding out that the oh what was it the the was he the old ceo the dude who ended up getting angela the job uh um finding out the hobby yeah yeah colby him yeah finding out that he actually knew all about was going on with the uh the waste spill in the past up until like the brief period where that was happening it got a little bit boring yeah um except for the one scene where elliot decided to become a normal person for a day but we'll talk about that in just a bit um i would put this up pretty high because most of the stuff i

watch ends up being a lot of anime content and that always ends up being the same sort of thing you're always watching this is a very different sort of show compared to what i normally watch and honestly it's it's probably one of the best things i've ever seen oh nice oh that's satisfying to hear that trust me it gets way you have no idea. Season three and four are so good. Like, I don't have the words to say how good season three and four are. Season two is a little, it's good, but it's a bit slow paced. Right, okay. Yeah.

But you have to get through it. Season three and four. Well, I got through. So good. Back when I was watching The Walking Dead, I got through The Farm, so I think I can get through this. Oh, four well oh i got so good back when i was watching the walking dead i got through the farm so i think i can get through this oh my god not that i haven't seen walking okay there was an entire season where they had basically no budget so they recorded in like one farm the entire season i think they went to a town once, and that's about all that happened. Hmm.

Oh. Sounds like fun. Yeah, Walking Dead's a whole nother can of worms. That's another podcast. I have no interest in going back and watching that, though, so. No, no. Half of it got spoiled for me anyway. Yeah. It's got about a dozen seasons, hasn't it?

Doesn't it? Fucking two. I think it's still going. Whoa. I think it's, like like season nine or ten i think okay jesus christ and it's so repetitive anyway so in case you guys forgot where season one ended um basically you had the the scene where elliot choked himself in the internet cafe then he went he ended up going to a

protest that may not have actually happened we don't know because he was fucking tripping the entire time Tyrell is gone, we don't know where he's disappeared off to and Elliot ended off the season in his apartment, opening the door to somebody.

We don't know who the somebody is. Also, there was the scene with White Rose in the real fancy party talking to somebody who I don't remember the name of. Okay. So that's basically where the season ended. Just so you don't say anything too much after that. Yeah, that's that's

what i'm scared of yeah same so i think the the biggest thing for this season would have been talking about mr robot himself so yeah early on i i was thinking mr Robot was a bit of a cunt. But as the season went on, obviously you find out that Elliot is Mr. Robot. Did you see that twist coming at all? There were hints of it early on, but I didn't see it coming. Yeah. First time I saw it, i was just blown away yeah like well like when you see it again you just think how did i not see this coming i thought we were done with the twist after we found out that mr robot was his dad i thought that's where the twist was going to

end yeah i think the first like the like the twist for me that just got me hooked on Mr. Robot was when Elliot went to kiss Darlene and he was like, I'm your sister that was the fourth wall break my god yeah, I

I think, okay that scene explained some earlier scenes that were happening. So you had the scene where Darlene and Angela were in a ballet class together. And that scene came out of fucking nowhere. It was just like, why, why do they even know each other? Because it went from just a normal episode the previous episode before and then it's like darlene and um and angela in ballet class together it's like what the hell happened

off camera like how do these people know each other so well now oh that's a troopy show and i love it absolutely so oh that i think that's where everything just started just falling apart with the kiss scene between Darlene and Elliot. Because that's when all the other stuff started falling into place. It's just like, oh, this is who Mr. Robot is. This is what's going on with this.

And... It all came crashing down, in a sense. Pretty much, yeah. on with this and all came crashing down in a sense pretty much yeah so one scene that um really did piss me off early on and then made perfect sense way later in the show was the boardwalk scene where oh where he gets pushed off yes yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was just... When that happened, I was like, what the fuck? Why did they just try to kill Elliot? There's so many scenes from what I can see at this point that were even just tied into what was

happening later in the season just in this one season yeah i can only imagine what's going to happen as the series progresses i'm sure there's some things that have happened now that are probably going to be linked into things that happened later no comment yeah no comment and okay so obviously you had the the big one with elliot uh bit like falling off the boardwalk or i guess pushing himself off of the boardwalk would be a better way to be falling yeah because in the video that the they showed at the end, it was like him putting his hand on his back and then pushing himself off. Yeah, yeah.

It's still kind of confusing, because Mr. Robot was never there in real life, right? But there's so many scenes, at least from memory, that there's no way he couldn't have been like elliot talking to no one except himself like at least another personality i guess of himself yeah that's how i could kind of doesn't link up all the time absolutely yeah um but yeah one example i have is uh when they are in f society occasionally mr robot will talk to people yeah yeah exactly and i'm not what's actually happening there is that elliot having like some personality switch is that because sometimes they will respond to mr robot that's the the

weirdest part of it so what's actually there was a really weird scene um when after the plan with dark army was going to fall through and darlene was like i'm going to do this shit myself and she was like threatening to just destroy the entire operation um mr robot was trying to stop her from doing it and she was actually responding to mr robot which didn't make any sense and he was like ellie you try to stop her and it's just like this scene doesn't make any sense right now once you actually look back and know what's going on yeah it's definitely weird like you can make up i guess ways around it to make it make sense from your point of view yeah um which from saying the Yeah. Which, from what I'm seeing in the rest of the show, I think that's what the writer and creator had in mind.

Right, okay. I'm sure Kenny can agree with that to an extent. Yeah, definitely. I want to say something, but I'm just not 100% sure it's not going to be like a... I don't think it's a spoiler but like oh you know i should probably just keep it so i don't i just can't risk it i i need you to be blown away okay in the next couple of seasons like no i don't want to give any details yeah want to give any details yeah well if we if we stay on the topic of elliot's weird split personality um there was the scene with uh what's his name the the black dude in f society romero is that it

oh yeah i know you're talking about when he was so he was in his um he was in his place trying to like grow some weed and mr robot shows off Robot shows up, and you're in this operation. You said you were going to be in this operation, and then pulls out a gun and holds it to his head. That was Elliot doing that the entire time. Elliot is fucking insane. Half the season, he's just hooked on morphine. Yeah.

Oh, that reminds me of one other scene. When... So Elliot's in the hotel with Romero and the fat dude, whatever his name is. Yeah, with glasses. Yeah, yeah. Like hair. Yeah.

And they go off to do whatever they were doing. I think they were just like, fuck you, we're just going to go do this operation ourself. And then Elliot goes to the heroin house, except none of that actually happened. Oh. It's just a huge trip. I had no idea what the hell was going on during that scene.

Also, that scene almost didn't make any sense to me whatsoever except the fact that it didn't happen. So because Mr. Robot carried him there, if that scene had actually happened, that scene would make literally no sense whatsoever. You can't carry yourself. Yeah. Yeah.

Also, Mr. Robot was the one who paid to get him into the house. So that scene would just not have made any sense at all. Yeah. Because I think, yeah, the dude at the house said only he can go inside. So knowing the fact that Elliot is Mr. Robot, that scene obviously couldn't have happened because he wouldn't obviously know that Mr. Robot was there as well. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah, there as well. Yes. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. Bro. Yes? What's up? Just trying to remember all these early

sort of connections. Because the first time I saw that plot twist, I was just like, what the... Did I just watch? Yeah. And still looking back on it now, I think it's still not hooked up perfectly, like I was saying before.

Right. But it's still kind of insane how they managed to pull it off the way they did. And it's like a very rare thing for this many just insane like like plot twists and just it it's not common that there are because a lot of tv shows are just spoon-fed to you and it's very rare that you get a show that genuinely makes you question everything and just...

I don't want to start. It gets so much better, Brody. It gets so much better. I cannot... I cannot emphasize that enough. I've had a couple friends that quit season two just because there's one particular scene. You might know it when you see it,

but it's, I guess, just not very pleasant to watch. But if you push through that and push through, it's a bit more slow, like Kendall was saying. Right. but if you push through that and push through I get it's a bit more slow like Ken was saying right um but if you get through it season 3 bang it does it skyrockets

season 4 oh my god like I cannot wait to have those last two seasons as podcasts yeah that'll go for hours yeah you're gonna seriously binge the last two seasons because it's gonna be oh you won't be able to contain yourself you need to like you need to get like get like a trial for binge or like the foxxtel thing, and just...

Yeah, I think it's two-week trial. Easy. Two seasons. Well, if I wasn't busy with uni stuff right now, I probably would have finished season two and season three already. Yeah. Yeah. Summer holidays.

Yeah, for sure. Or study break. Yes. teaching break yeah whatever it is um they always yeah it's always it's a it's just a teaching break you still have to do work except when they don't give us our assignments yeah So, I think a lot of what happens with Elliot can sort of be explained by the internet cafe scene. I think that

everyone in F Society sort of understands that Elliot is an absolute fucking mental case. Yeah. A bit of an outsider. Yeah, even though some of the scenes may not make perfect sense, I think that if you look at it

through the lens of the internet cafe scene and when he was strangling himself, I think you can sort of... I sort of get what's happening. Yeah. Yeah. I was honestly once once the reveal that

Elliot was Mr. Robot actually like happened I was expecting Mr. Robot just to be completely killed off the show but I imagine he's probably going to come back in some sort of ghostly Elliot form no comment stick around because he's still Elliot still has no idea in some sort of ghostly Elliot form. Ooh. No comment.

And just stick around. Because he's still... Elliot still has no idea what's actually happening with all the hacking that's been going on with F Societies. And he assumes that someone else is doing it. Because it was Mr. Robot that gave him the plan, right? That was in the Ferris wheel, if I recall correctly. Yeah. So Elliot's still kind of blindsided on the

entire thing that Mr. Robot's trying to tell him. So yeah. It's not so much a spoiler but Mr. Robot plays a pivotal role. Sure yeah. That makes sense. Because the hack

on Steel Mountain ended up going through and everyone's money was just frozen, basically. And Elliot's like, what the fuck happened? Why am I in Tyrell's car? What's going on? Yeah, oh, yeah. Oh, the Steel Mountain.

I love that episode. Social engineering. Yeah. That poor man. I feel like, with Tyrell, I feel like there's so much more going on. But yeah, that... Oh, that...

Actually, we'll go to that first. Elliot is fucking... The way he manipulates people. Yeah. The way he just digs into people's just weaknesses like that scene that scene hit me really hard he had he cannot not feel bad for that um security guy he like he's done that a couple of times throughout the series. Like, he did that with Krista, his psychologist. Psycho, yeah, yeah.

When he told her what he's been doing, how he's been lying about taking morphine, how he hacks people to find out what's going on in their lives. Like, every time Elliot goes into that mode, I think we get sort of like an insight into, I guess, the other side of his personality. I feel like that's part of the Mr. Robot side coming out. Uh-huh.

Because being, like, someone who's able to break into systems like Elliot can do, it's more than just, oh, you have the programming talent. It's also very heavily on the social engineering side. Absolutely, yeah. Especially with the way that modern systems are built. So I feel like that is part of that other side of him coming out. Yeah. Yeah, and social engineering is like, I don't know if you heard about, you know, the Twitter

hack that happened a couple of weeks ago. Yeah. The blue checkmark hack? Yep, that's the one. Yeah, apparently that one was a social engineering one and they got, yeah. Yeah, Twitter was nice that day no celebrities talking uh it was a lot of people and they gained a lot of money in like an hour like hundreds of thousands yeah there are still people asking people like elon musk for their bitcoin back and it's like

he actually took my bitcoins like no it wasn't elon you dummies what do you what are you saying it's insane how gullible people are it's like oh send me your money and i will double it like no if if he did that he wouldn't be a millionaire would he oh that the fact that so many people fell for that kind of just shows you how how powerful social engineering can be. Yeah, absolutely. Because obviously you could always do like some sort of I don't know, you could try to find a vulnerability in some Bitcoin wallet or you could find vulnerability in just the Bitcoin blockchain itself. But if you can just convince people that they're sending it to a legitimate cause then they'll just happily send you money so much saves so much more time and effort they're going into more technical well when it's something even text

based you don't it's not like you need to pretend to have a certain voice you can just have access to the account and if you have access to the account people are gonna they're just going to assume that it's a legitimate thing you're asking for yeah it's interesting um let's see so i was talking about tyrell just before i don't know what the hell is going like his his entire sub story made like i was like what the hell is going on his entire sub story I was like what the fuck is going on every time so it went from here's Elliot and his morphine

trips in F Society now here's Tyrell trying to become the CTO why is this here what is going on I think he's a bit of a mystery in season 1 and you'll see my prediction at this point is the stuff with him

like murdering what's her face trying to become cto all of this is sort of to build up his character for things that are going to happen later on like if he didn't like if he didn't ruin his chances of being cto there would be no reason for him to be an important character later on he'd just say oh i'm cto of evil corp now yeah that's yeah yeah he's season one did season one have a scene with a fork? Or is that later on? Fork. Yeah, like the one, like a spoon fork. Spoon fork. Okay, maybe not.

Maybe it's later on. Maybe. Corey, do you know what he's talking about? I think so. Let me go Google. I believe it was a fork. Yeah, I have no idea what you're talking about. If it did happen in season one, let me know.

Yes? No? Wait, let me just double check. Hang on. I found the details of it, but... Not what episode that it's in? Yes. So, while you're looking for that, there was one scene with Tyrell that happened that literally exists just to show

that he knows how to use a terminal. And that is... I see you're using GNOME. I use KDE myself. What? Okay, apparently it is in season one. It is? Okay. Yes.

Episode 1.7. Okay. What it is in season one. It is? Okay. Yeah, it's episode 1.7. Okay. What exactly is the deal? This is quite an unquote from the Wikipedia page. When police question about... Question Wellick about Sharon's murder. Oh, that scene! Joanna secretly breaks her own water with a fork.

Fucking... Yeah, that scene. Jesus Christ. Okay, so... So, anyone who's not... Anyone who's forgetting the scene exactly, um... After Tyrell murdered what's-her-face... Um...

The current CTO's wife. Yeah. Yeah. The police came to talk to Tyrell at his office Um, yeah, the current CTO's wife. Yeah, the wife. Yeah. Yeah. The police came to talk to Tyrell at his office and he was like, fuck off. You need an appointment. I'm not talking to you. And then they just show up at his house.

And his wife had no idea what was happening. Because Tyrell hadn't actually said that he had done anything yet. Or the fact that the CTO's wife was was dead or anything so she was real surprised and after tyrell started fucking up a bit and sort of saying more than he should have to get the police out of the house basically she uh broke her own water with a fork. Yeah. That fucking scene. It's a bit much. His wife is... Insane.

Absolutely insane. I thought that... Early on, I thought, like, oh, Tyrell's probably going to be, like, the big man in the relationship. thought like, Oh, Tyrell is probably going to be like the, the big man in the relationship, but no, everything that Tyrell does is basically to please her. Literally.

Yeah. So I don't know, like, I presume she's going to show up at some point later in the series, but she supposedly doesn't know where Tyrell is, actually is at this point later in the series, but she supposedly doesn't know where Tyrell actually is at this point. So... Because he's just fucked off somewhere. Yeah.

Well... Yeah, that's going to be an important point in a future episode. Yes. Future Mr. Robot episode. She's very mysterious. Yeah. Leave it at that, yeah. Well, I was already real confused with that one BDSM scene that happened.

It's like, what am i watching right now it's like oh yes um this this lady who's like eight months pregnant wants to be tied up and like what what okay sure yeah if if you say so Yeah. If you say so. Like we said, she's insane. She's definitely insane. Probably insane. I think the only person in this series who isn't insane was probably Shayla.

I think even Angela's got a few screws loose. Quite a few. I guess Ollie wasn't insane, but he's also's got a few screws loose. Quite a few. Oh, I guess Ollie wasn't insane, but he's also just a bit of a dick. That was Angela's ex. Oh, yeah, yeah. Ollie, yeah. Is that the one who tried to be bros with Elliot? Yes.

In the office? Yes. That was such an awkward scene. Very big, big on bros. Hey, bro. You you wanna be bros it's like no fuck off i guess i'll try

oh yeah no there's no way that they were ever going to be friends no way yeah there is a very small pool

of people that elliot can have a conversation with and ollie is very far away from that group hi rel so let's see what else do we have on here i've basically broken down this into like different sections of characters because that's, I think the best way to look at this series because everyone's got their own sort of character arc going. I mean,

one who doesn't, he touched on it just now is Shayla, unfortunately. Oh yeah. Well, no, she, for most of the series she did cause.

Oh yeah, but yeah. I expected her to be dead after that first Vera scene. Did Vera... He's so fucked. Like... I can't tell you. With how important he was in season one,

I can't say he's not going to come back. He absolutely has to come back with how important he's been in the first season. It wouldn't have been that much time spent on him. No comment. Yeah, no comment. That basically answers what I was saying anyway.

See, that's what I'm afraid of. I'm not going to say anything that's going to... I don't know what I could say to get myself big spoilers anyway. Yeah. I mean, him coming back isn't a spoiler to the extent of which he comes

back is what's going to shock you and I'm sure everyone that watches it. I think the only thing that I can really get myself spoilers for that I could work out myself is asking about characters that die. Because with how easy they were to kill off Shayla, I'm sure that someone else is going to die

by the end of the series. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe not. Yeah, maybe not. Everyone's just going to live. Except for everyone in Vera's gang who pisses him off. Yeah. Even his brother.

That Shadow Death scene, that was so sad. That is actually heartbreaking. That's one of the... There's been a couple of points throughout this series where i had to just stop watching for the night and that was one of them yeah for sure it like that series was building up shayla to be my favorite character and then it's like oh yeah she's dead now it's like oh yeah that's cool. I just remember like that slow camera pan from like, I think it was like from almost outside the car park. It was like getting closer and closer to the boot. And then he opens it.

It just had like a pool of blood. I was like, aw. And then you see her face and it's like, aw. Because for a second I was like, maybe she's not dead. Because we also, we did have that scene early on with her in the bath. When. Yeah. I was like, is Shayla dead already?

Like, what the fuck? Because Vera didn't, he definitely didn't make it sound like she was still alive. Yeah. Like, oh, she's in the bath, just leave her be. It was definitely sounding like he had killed her, but... Then she died anyway. Yeah. Vera is such a... Oh, sorry, Ken. Sorry, now go on, Corey. yeah oh oh sorry

sorry now go on Corey he's such an awful character but he's extremely well written for who he is yeah and the way and because you hate him as a character and you feel that he's awful it's just

saying how good of an actor he is because it's not easy how good of an actor he is. Because it's not easy to play an actor that everyone hates. A psychopathic drug dealer. Yeah. Yeah. And the writing, oh, so good. Oh, man.

And it only gets better. One scene that did just slightly confuse me was how Vera managed to find out that elliot was the one who got him in jail because they showed a picture but i'm not really sure what was going on with that picture oh i think it might have been shayla's apartment i maybe that's what it was but i i'm not 100 sure that scene went by i was like okay how did you work it out it didn't seem entirely clear to me yeah i can't remember the exact details yeah it'd be pretty difficult to remember the exact photo um yeah but i think

the only thing that makes sense to me is the fact that it was Shayla's apartment. Yes. And then he sort of just pieced it together because he knew that Elliot was in IT and Elliot knew, like, he was really close with Shayla, so sort of just pieced it together, I guess. That makes sense. Because he might be a psychopathic drug dealer, but he's not an idiot, for sure. Exactly. Yeah, definitely. Like, Vera is the sort of person who,

if he wasn't, like, involved in the crime scene, he would be, like, doing really well for himself. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. This is what happens when a dealer does their own supply yeah so Brody

make your predictions for the show how do you the whole F Society hack thing what do you think happened and where do you think that's gonna lead and

Think it happened that's actually Enough question because he started tripping straight afterwards well i think it's it's possible um because there was a scene where elliot wasn't in it you had a scene with white rose and um the other dude at the party and they were talking about things that happened so i i assumed that something happened whether it was to the extent that elliot thinks it happened um whether there were riots on the streets i don't know because there was like those big protests and everyone's wearing f society masks and then they all disappeared so yeah i don't know if that happened and then you just blacked out for seven hours and then they all left or what happened there.

Because it's very possible that that protest did happen because everyone already, like people know about F Society and if everyone's debts got wiped away, I assume there would be people like on the streets, like talking about how much they love F Society. It wouldn't be silent. Yeah. And then it's very possible that Elliot was there for the protest

and then, you know, just passed out on the street and then everyone left. That's possible. Because we already know that he does hallucinate and it's possible that he just didn't notice the other people that were just there on a normal day. So that's definitely possible. But I think that something happened.

But what happened, I don't fucking know. And I guess I'll find out in season two, maybe. Maybe. I don't know. Surely it can't go 10 episodes with nothing happening. Well, you never know. Expect the unexpected. Yeah, that's fair. So completely shifting gears for a minute then.

The day that Elliot decided to be a normal person. I'm sure you remember that scene. I think so. I don't know. It was such a fucking funny scene. So basically, you know how Elliot's depressed all the time and all that. Yeah.

He was like, okay, I'm going to stop using the drugs. I'm going to be happy. He shows up. sorry he i think he goes and gets like a bubble tea or something and like he shows up to to work comes into gideon's office like hey gideon how's it going buddy and just like gideon's like what the who the fuck are you it's okay you want to go out for drinks? Like, I guess so. That would be so weird if that, like,

if that happened to you. Like, some guy who just always... Yeah, if Aiden did it. Shows up to you in real nice clothes real happy about everything it's like who the fuck are you what is it going on oh lord that yeah i don't think that scene was very important what was going on but it was fun and I enjoyed it. I like how there was a couple of those fun scenes throughout the series where it's just like, oh, this doesn't really matter, I think, but it's still fun to see happen.

Yeah, because for the most part, it's a very serious show, I would say. Very almost just depressing. Just seeing someone go through an enormous mental battle. So I think it's important to keep things a bit surface level.

Yeah. For sure. Yeah, so we needed those scenes where elliot was just dicking around where like comedic relief almost yeah well you had those the couple of scenes that happened where elliot and shayla were hanging out which is like um it's nice yeah there was the one scene where elliot found out what uh shayla's hobby was where she was like doing like just before they started dating where she was like doing crochet

remember well yeah Shayla's thing was like she liked making blankets okay and she's like oh that's cool she's a drug dealer and also has this completely normal hobby as well you could see see that Shayla, she didn't want to get herself into this world. It's sort of like she fell into it. Yeah. Like she came to this city and needed a job, and the first thing that she stumbled into was drug dealing. It's not like she wanted to do that with her life.

Yeah. Yeah, I with her life. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with that. Yeah. But one scene that did hit me pretty hard as well was the reason why Shayla started working with Vera. It was entirely to do with Elliot. Because she was like

oh there's only one dude out here that sells suboxones and it's this crazy dude and Elliot was the entire reason that they started talking to each other oh I think I remember that I think it's coming back to me

it was one of the back scene scenes I think it might have been just after Shayla died or something. And yeah, the entire reason that Vera and Shayla started working together was because of Elliot. And I, I feel like that would be something that would absolutely destroy me if that had happened.

It's just like, I am the reason this person is dead. Yeah. Adding that pressure onto you based on everything else that is going on in your life is just insane to think about. Yeah, he's going... I don't even...

Was he on morphine at the time? I don't remember. He kept going on and off morphine throughout the series. Like, he would go a couple of days, try to go cold turkey, and then jump back on it. Yeah. He's on it more than, he's on it more than he's not on it.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I get what you're trying to say he's a fucking morphine addict that's what he is yeah I presume that

sorry you can go I was just going to say you go just say what you're trying to say. This is why we need that physical studio eventually. Oh, I totally forgot what I was going to say now. No.

Yeah, I totally forgot. You got nothing? Okay. I was going to say, I presume that as the series goes on, now that Shale is not around, he's not gonna be taking Suboxone, and he's just gonna be doing morphine

and just trying to survive, basically. And it's gonna get worse as the series goes on. Well. I won't say. You won't say you won't say okay sure so there's one person i do feel bad for like most of the series and that's gideon okay at least at this point maybe something happens later but at this point gideon just seems like he's just a general middle management dude

who's just trying to do his job. And all this shit just keeps happening around him. Then he sort of finds out that Elliot's trying to do stuff in the company that is going to take everything down. He sort of works out that Elliot has something to do with F Society and just doesn't...

He's just trying... He's a dude who's trying to do his job and all this stuff just keeps happening around him. He's just like I can't handle this. I'm just a manager. Yeah. I had to double check who that actually was yeah elliot's manager at all safe yeah because yeah like you could you had the scene where he was with his partner and he was just sort of like breaking down about all the stuff that was happening at work oh it's just like all safe is collapsing because evil corpse pulling out the contract and all this

other stuff's happening i just can't handle this and just like you kind of feel bad for gideon because he didn't like he's just a manager he's he's just a dude who got caught up in all this yeah legit yeah He's just a dude who got caught up in all this. Yeah, legit. Yeah. Hmm. There's one scene that I feel like there's a lot of meaning to it that I didn't understand when I watched it, but I feel like if I go back and watch it when the series ends, it might make more sense. Back to the hotel scene when Elliot was like, I'm going cold turkey and goes to the hotel scene when uh elliot was like i'm going cold turkey and

goes to the fake heroin house and starts like hallucinating so uh there was lots of stuff like that he's there's lots of stuff happening during that scene where he was just like hallucinating what was happening, where I feel like it has some meaning towards like to do something that was going on with this story. And I just, I don't understand most of it at this point. I'm sure you know the scene I'm talking about. You don't remember?

I don't think I remember. This, like I said, this was, I saw it in year 10, I think, which was five, six years ago jesus christ yeah like when it came out i remember i i would watch it every week as it came out yeah

until season two when i saw the first couple episodes and it's kind of like this show is just not good anymore and then i waited until season three like towards the end of season three when actually after season three ended and season four was announced yeah this was last year and then people were trying to tell me to just keep watching. And then I hopped on a Foxtel trial, and I just binged all of season two. And it was not as bad as I thought. And then finished season three, and that was just so good. Yeah. And then, yeah, we...

And then this was when season four was coming out every week. So we just watched them every week. Me and Corey watched one of them live at uni. Oh, good times. Okay, so the scene I was specifically talking about was, it was that scene we mentioned earlier where Elliot was in the hotel, like having the morphine withdrawals and he was then he went to that fake heroin house with mr robot uh after that scene he started like

hallucinating about what was happening and you sort of started seeing hints of what was happening in his past and he like he went back to his old hometown and things like that in like in his like hallucinated state um and there was a lot of symbolism that was going on during that and i have no idea what the fuck most of it meant but i think when i go back and watch it it might make a bit more sense yeah i think as a whole it's definitely a show that requires several watches. Yeah, there's a lot of little bits in there that will only make sense later on. Yeah. There's definitely connections between that and future seasons. That's for sure.

But even just a seasonal rewatch, you'll pick up on things that you never noticed before. Yeah. Which you can't really say a lot about other shows, to be honest, because they're majority are like just a linear sort of way. Oh yeah. Maybe you'll get like a little, you might get like a little bit of hinting towards what's going on,

but nothing like what I've seen in Mr. Robot. Yeah. Like, when Kenny asks you, what do you think is going on? You're just like, I don't know. Like, um... It just leaves enough to be... Like, you still have no idea what's going on, but you're still very much intrigued.

Yeah. Exactly, yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So one thing that I'm sure you kind of forgotten about is the, this happened like right at the start of the series. It was a very important scene, sort of leads into everything.

The file that was on the AllSafe systems. Yeah. Was that, I think that was inSystems. Yeah. I think that was in the pilot episode. Yeah, I think that makes sense. Yeah. So... That... Yeah.

Was that... You go. Who was it that put that file there? Was that... Let me... Let me... Let me check what this file scene is.

I'm faintly... I'm faintly recalling that Mr. Robot said that he put the file there, which would mean that Elliot put the file there. That's how he ended up...

Elliot got dragged into F Society. Yeah. So Elliot hacked AllSafeSystems to convince Elliot to join F Society. Yes. Which makes no fucking sense

there's like all of these weird Mr. Robot scenes I feel like they will make sense at the end of the series I hope yes but right now I'm just like what the fuck are you doing

oh it's so hard not to yeah I'm trying so hard okay well we can go on to something else then um so when Darlene first showed up

I thought that she was basically just a bit of a bitch oh absolutely but to be fair the vibe they were going for to be fair understandably because at that point she would have been really pissed off that elliot keeps running off from f society because at the at least at this point we don't know when f society started off that Elliot keeps running off from F Society. Because at least at this point, we don't know when F Society started. Because clearly they've been doing stuff for a while. They have already

existed because all the members are already there. Yes. So clearly Darlene is pissed off that Elliot just keeps running off and not being in F society. Because she obviously knows that he has had many of these breakdowns before.

Because you had that scene where, obviously, the kiss scene happened. But you also had where Elliot was seeing the ghost of his father. So, clearly, Darlene's had to deal with this for a while. Plus in that kiss scene, she alludes to, I think she said, did you forget again? Yeah. Which alludes to the fact that it's happened several times before. Actually, yeah, I didn't even think of that. Yeah.

actually yeah i didn't even think of that yeah well angela said that um elliot started breaking down once darlene moved back to whatever city they're living in so i'm assuming that that's around when f society would have started so have a long darlene's been living in the same place that Ellie's been in. Which I don't know if that's really an important thing to know, but it hasn't been mentioned at this point. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's super important to know how long F society has really existed for.

All we know is that when the series started, some like it had already begun, like all that setup work had already been done. Yeah, they've already been established. Yeah. Had they done any hacks before the series had started? Or did they just start?

I don't believe so. I don't think so. I think they really touched on it. Okay. Maybe they were doing minor things or or something i don't know i don't think they did minor things i just i think they just wanted one massive thing okay and they've been yeah and that's just their thing prior to the series it was just like getting all the setup work trying trying to get in contact with Dark Army, getting, because they already had the connection with Dark Army set up.

And like, it wasn't like they had to, obviously until Dark Army pulled out of the hack, it wasn't like there was a while where they were trying to get Dark Army on board. Clearly, Darlene has already done all that setup before the series had actually started because they were obviously ready to go. Yes. Actually, that's a good question. What's your thought on White Rose? White Rose is a very interesting character, actually.

I don't really know what to say about White Rose at this point because we don't really know much all we know is time is very important and Elliot's wasting what lots of time which is fair when you're someone as important as the leader of a a multinational hacking group. I can imagine time is very important to you. Ken Lee.

I'm just holding back on everything. I'm sure there's something there that I could say that could get me spoiled if I wanted to. This show is one of the most spoiler-heavy things ever that I've ever seen. Like, there are so many things you can spoil. that I've ever seen. There are so many things you can spoil. Well, yeah, as we were saying earlier, there's lots of connections between stuff just in this season. So connections between seasons are probably going to be there as well.

Yes. Which obviously isn't a spoiler if they've been connecting this much, saying that they're going to keep doing it isn't a spoiler. Yeah. keep doing it isn't a spoiler, but... Yeah. And that's just, like, that's just a sign of a good show, because it just means that it's been well-written and it's just been planned all along.

Yes. I'm pretty sure the creator, Sam Esmail, he wrote all four seasons together. So he had the entire i guess storyline planned from the beginning so he could make those um multi-seasonal connections and stuff yeah um which all pays off in the end and trust me it really pays off. It will bring tears to your eyes. Like the final... Oh, my God.

It's so good. Well, one of the first things that I realized... Well, one of the first things that happened that sort of clicked with me that stuff was going to be linking back and forth, and this got me thinking about other things that were linking back and forth throughout the series, was when Oli took the CDd from the uh the rapper on the street the dude who was in um dark army trying to get into the all safe systems

so he gave ollie a cd and was like hey here's my mixtape and ollie tried to put it he tried to play it on his computer at home and that was end or ended up being how um uh they ended up getting access to the webcam on the computer and started like taking nude videos of angela and was like angela yes we're gonna we're gonna blackmail with you with this and then she decided to go and put the cd into all safes computers to deal with all this until sort of fuck over ollie because he's a bit of a cunt um but all of that happened specifically so elliot could then go and deal with the root kit so Elliot could go and take the hard drive to go and meet White Rose. All of that sort of linked back together just for the purpose of Elliot going and meeting White Rose.

That's the entire reason that happened. But when you first see it where it's like, here's this random rapper on the street trying to give Ollie a mixtape. That doesn't make any sense if you just look at it by itself. It's very out of the blue, yeah. Yeah, when you look at it as a big, connected web of different story points, you're like, oh, that makes sense why that happened.

You'll find a lot of that in... Mm-hmm. Yeah. Oh, it's so hard not being able to talk. I know, right? However, when we do get to the future podcasts my god it'd be a minefield of just maybe hopefully we'll get more people on it and then we'll just have like a massive podcast oh that'd be amazing that would be interesting yeah it'd obviously be a absolute hell to get the audio set up

but we hear now maybe physical physical space by then you never know maybe probably not

this stuff might take off not this stuff but the main channel maybe I don't know um

what else do I actually have on this list um um What else do I actually have on this list? Let's see. There's so much to say about this series, but we've already covered so much of it. Yeah. Yeah.

much of it. Yeah. Yeah. Um... I think the main hook point is... I think it's episode 7 or 8, when the fourth wall break happens. Yeah. Because we've always...

Us as the audience has always been Elliot's imaginary friend right is that actually what's okay is even you might not want to spoil anything but is that what's actually happening there are we actually supposed to be elliot's imaginary friend is that actually what's happening there or is there more to it? Uh. You can say if there's more to it or not. I don't. Because we don't.

We already know he has a split personality. So. I think. It's just at the imaginary point. Okay. From what I recall, yeah. Yeah, I think so. But there's definitely...

There's more to it. And there's not more to it. What the fuck? Yeah. But it does serve as a really interesting way to sort of handle doing recaps and handle doing, like, just what's going on in the series at the time, rather than be like, here's what happened last time. They still do that. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, yeah. What was I saying? yeah but we've been his imaginary friend for at that point like seven or eight episodes by now so when he actually like directly i i wouldn't say orders but just speaks to us in such like a demeaning manner be like what the fuck just happened you're just like Like, it's hard to explain. But the first time I watched it, I was just shocked. Like, I think it pretty, I think it gave me chills just because of, like, the way it's shot and just the way how everything just, like, connected together.

And then the following event, with, like, the plot point where Mr. Robot is Elliot or vice versa, whatever, the episode was just a lot to take in as a whole. Yeah. Which is probably another one of those episodes where you're just like, yep, I'm done for the night. Like, I just have to sleep on this. So, let's see i had a point there i forgot what it was going to be um right the inner monologues are actually a really interesting way to handle it because when elliot normally talks he's sort of just a very socially awkward person he's gotten better throughout the series uh but he's still sort of socially awkward you don't really get a good understanding of what's actually happening but the only time where he's actually being himself is where he's talking in

his head or directing to his imaginary friend yeah that's where he feels most safe because a lot of series they try to do everything through just regular open dialogue. You don't really get much of what's happening inside of the character's head. And this is actually one of the things that I do like about how a lot of anime handle it. You sort of get, like, when you start hearing someone's inner monologue,

you sort of get a bit more understanding of how the character themselves are trying to approach the situation, rather than just sure here are the actions they're taking here's the here's the results you sort of get an idea of okay here's why i'm doing this and yeah mr robot does that in a really really good way it makes it more um i guess approachable just because it relates to us so much um because more or less he is a real he's a real person like he's going through all this mental shit we most people haven't had anything as bad as Elliot really has had but you can still empathize with the fact that he has like really bad shit going on in his life.

He has to deal with F Society, he has to deal with his mental struggle, his job that's collapsing, I guess. Well, he fucking hates his job anyway. Yeah, exactly. So then there's those three points plus side events as well.

There's just a lot of shit um put simply um yeah i can like when it comes to his shit job i can definitely i can definitely um empathize with that point because as much as i love programming at this point i don't know if i like i would i be able to do that as a job for like 20 30 years like is that something i want to spend my entire life doing or do i want to you know go off and build my own thing doing it or just like do i do i want to be someone who's just stuck at a desk my entire life working for someone else or do i want to do my own thing that's sort of where i'm getting yeah and i'm not planning to take down any uh any multinational corporations but you can definitely uh you can definitely empathize with the idea of wanting to

go off and build something yourself and that's what elliot's done he's he's built f society to go after some cause even though that cause is going to be collapsing the entire world's economy it's still a cause that he's giving himself and judging by the or what's been happening he doesn't seem to have any direction he wants to go in his life he's sort like, I'm stuck in this dead-end job. Even though I'm good at my job, it's not really going anywhere. And then he builds up F Society and is like, I'm going to do something in this world

that I'm going to be remembered for. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Something he's deeply passionate about. Mm-hmm. Do we ever get an idea about... You don't have to say why, but do we ever get an idea about You don't have to say why But do we ever get an idea about why some of the members joined F Society?

Uh Because obviously we can work out why Darlene joined But as for the other members I I actually can't remember I presume there's something there because Romero is just a like he's a weed grower

like why is he here or you have um uh what's her face the um the Muslim girl who's like she goes to uni and just she seems to uni and just, she seems to have like a reasonable life going on. Actually, no, she did have a reason.

Yeah, she, I think she was the only one who did give a reason. She basically just hates the world that exists and hates, you know, student debt and all the problems that money causes. That was her reason. But I don't think... The top 1% of the 1% who pray God without permission. I think that's the common reason.

Okay, but there's not like an explicit scene that sort of goes over why they joined. It's sort of just like a general hatred of... I don't think so. I'm not going to say that there isn't a scene because I probably have misthought it or missed it but on the top of my head

I can't recall so it's just safe to assume that it's like a general hatred of the current system that exists yes yeah okay that's fair I think yeah everything about this show is just uh i think that no that's entirely fair there's

yeah it's hard to say anything definitive yeah exactly and when you watch an episode you just if you're just laying in bed trying to sleep it just makes you think so much i don't do that that's a bad idea oh my god i can't stop thinking about i couldn't stop thinking about those episodes some some of the nights especially when you're when you're not binging it and you're watching it every week it's and i would think about it all week awesome season four kenley oh my god fuck that would have been such a different experience i did watch mr robot although i watched the first two episodes back when i first came out so when you would have watched them i was watching it with my sister back then um yeah yeah but back then i was also

real big into game of thrones and oh yeah. That was when Game of Thrones was really good. Because that would have been... Probably season... We're going to find out. When did Mr. Robot start? Three or four? I think it's 2015. Mr. Robot.

Let's find out. It probably would have been three or four, yeah. Mr. Robot was 2015. Yep. And Game of Thrones. Oh, I was also big into... I think I was big into Walking Dead at that point. I can't remember if it was still good.

Oh, I think I... I think I was as well. Let's see, so... List of episodes. And episode, yep. 2011 was season one. Oh, maybe I wasn't still watching it. Maybe?

I don't know. It was season five, apparently. I don't know. I was watching something else at the time and just sort of fell out of it. Yeah. Yeah. But I am very happy that you guys got me back into it.

I am... Oh. We're glad that we got someone into it. I've been trying so hard to get everyone on that, but they're like, oh, no. How can't you get people in a tech field into Mr. Robot? I don't know. I can't you get people in a tech field into Mr. Robot? I don't know. I don't even know.

Like, that pilot is so good. It's like... I think the pilot might be too good. Yeah. I don't care if they don't watch it, but I just want them to give it a go, really. Because that pilot just showcases everything. Obviously, no, not everything.

Not even half of it, but a lot of what's good about the show yeah yeah well yeah you got you got obviously very serious scenes you got the hacking scenes you got um just there's the fun scene with uh with gnome um what and you're fast for an executive yeah yeah yeah i know an executive i'm using linux old habits the die hard which in time just exists so we know that he knows how to use the terminal that is the only reason that scene needs to exist that is the only reason that scene needs to exist there is no other reason that it needs to exist because you have that scene way later in the series where um tyrell ssh is into one of the um evil corp computer evil corp servers and sees the file that elliot put there. And that is the reason why that exists.

So that we know he can do that. Because otherwise you'd be like, why does Tyrell know he's a terminal? He's just an executive. I think it also might be just to establish a baseline relationship with Elliot. I guess so. Yeah.

At that point. Yeah. Um, yeah. Cause they're both Linux enthusiasts, I guess guess or users at least says at least that um that uh commonality between the two actually i think that i would have got more out of the linux side than you guys did because there was a lot of oh there's a lot of little hints in there with just random applications like Why is this here?

Yeah, yeah. And when I started, when I saw season one, I wasn't into programming. So any of the Linux stuff, I would have completely missed. I think most people who watch this series, most of the hacking side and the programming stuff went over their heads. Yeah. At least now you can sort of get...

Sorry? Were you into programming in Linux back then, Brody? I had done a programming class at that point. I knew about Linux, and I lost my shit with the gnome and KDE scene. But I got the very high-level references that were there, but I didn't get anything. Because there were some references later on in Season 1

where it's just like Elliot's writing a bash script to do some hacking in Nano, which is just fucking hilarious. Or the fact that he uses gnome in general it's just like is dumb enough like no no serious hardcore linux user is using gnome that's not happening i think he's running ubuntu like that's not happening like someone who who's taking this seriously is going to be running something like Kali Linux, or maybe they'll build something up with Arch

or something like that. They're not going to be running fucking Ubuntu. Yeah. That being said, I'm pretty sure a lot of the technical, like, code and programming is actually quite accurate. Yes. Which is also a nice little detail. Which never happens in shows oh csi cyber

i was gonna say that i mean anyone who doesn't know the scene i'm talking oh we're talking about okay there's a scene where someone is hacking into the the i I think we're talking about the same one Hacking into like the CSI Mainframe Whatever And there's They're trying to stop the hack By both typing on the keyboard at once I found it

There you go I can't play it I'll get this pulled very quickly Just look Okay so look up ncis two idiots one keyboard you'll find the video and they're like they're typing on both sides of it like it's piano or something like that which is obviously not how a keyboard works and then their boss walks over and just unplugs the computer as if that's gonna help it's like no

they've SSH'd into the server not this fucking computer oh lord yeah so if we're comparing it to that I think that Mr. Robot might have the most realistic idea of what hacking is.

Definitely. There's some scenes which are a little bit exaggerated because they sort of have to be. Like hacking into Steel Mountain's air conditioning system. That was a little bit too easy. It's not like you could just plug a random raspberry pi into their their wiring and then just suddenly magically works like that's that's a little bit exaggerated but most of it is pretty good yes the end of the day it is still a TV show or movie or some sort of medium like that

but it still has to be because if it was fully fully accurate it would take way too long and it wouldn't cater to as wide of an audience either if it was yeah you don't need to go as consumer friendly as like

Silicon Valley but you also don't need to go ncis yeah it's it's an excellent uh middle ground i think that what they did well we might have briefly touched on this earlier is showing that hacking isn't just breaking into accounts yes because most of elliot's so-called hacking is you know finding people's facebook pages finding how the accounts people have online finding like he found the um early on with chris's boyfriend who he stole the dog from.

Oh, he was cheating. Yeah, he found out because... He was actually married. Yeah. So he found out that he had a Facebook profile with a different name, and then he found his dating profile and found out that he actually had a couple of names because he was able to reverse image search

the profile picture he was using. I mean, the very first scene of the show there's the um the pedophile in the cafe yep yep that that scene was actually really good um yeah yeah i i think that with that like elliot seemed a bit more socially capable than he otherwise normally would be. I don't know what's going on there. Maybe like, I don't know.

Was, did that scene actually happen at the start of the series? Like, or was it supposed to be before like the main stuff in the series happened? Like, was it, was it supposed to be before the main stuff in the series happened? Was it supposed to be a day or so before? Or was it considerably before? Because it seemed like he had a bit more of a grasp of what was going on at that point.

It probably never came up again, did it? I don't think there were any big time jumps. Okay. Maybe he was just having a good day or something. I don't think there were any big time jumps. Okay. But yeah. Maybe he was just having a good day or something. Or he just had a good day. He was probably just heavy on morphine that day. That's fair, yeah.

Once he gets into that, I guess, vigilante point where he's actually, like, quote-unquote unquote arresting someone for being malicious He Same sort of thing with the speech with Krista Where he just like lets loose on her And the security guy If he's in that sort of point of view He's a lot more social I guess

Because he has like that power stance on someone. I guess. A T-pose. Yeah, I guess that once he's talking about something that he's interested in, he can sort of act like a reasonably normal person. But most things just don't interest him. Yeah.

Which is fair. That's another thing that I can kind of empathize with him with. It's just like, yeah, I don't want to deal with most of these useless discussions that people just have for the sake of having. Yeah. If you don't

have anything important to say to me just don't talk to me i'd much rather just be doing my own job which i guess might explain part of the reason why he hates his job because working in an office you're sort of gonna have to do that water cooler talk and the only person he liked there was angela everyone else just like, I guess he liked Gideon. It's hard to not like Gideon, though. He doesn't have anything against him. Yeah. He's just like middle management. He's just doing his job, but he didn't

have anything really to hate about him, unlike Oli. He's like, let's be bros. Bros. Bro, let me be your bro. Right after that he's like yeah i don't actually like you but um angela told me that i had to get along with you so so hey let's be bros let's hang out it's like uh i don't even if even if ollie shows up throughout the series again i don't even if even if Oli shows up

throughout the series again I don't think I'll ever be able to like him I think he's just there to be a dick yeah he's not really that important yeah

it's just his character one point that we actually I don't know how we managed to not talk about this yet was um angela working for evil corp now so at the end of season one she goes to see colby and colby's like suck my dick and then then they end up talking about what happened with Evil Corp. And then eventually Colby decides to go to her father's place and offers her a job.

And now she just works at Evil Corp. From the inside. It's like, I have to change the system from the inside, I guess. Yeah. Have you met the lawyer yes has angela pursued the the case yes that that did happen that okay that actually is important an important part of uh her getting the job there because colby offered her the job

while she was pursuing the lawsuit and she was like are you seriously offering me a job while i'm trying to sue your company yeah what are you fucking doing it's like oh it's business that this is what happens in business yeah what um what were you to say about the lawyer? Oh, um I was just making sure because um like just trying to gather

because um E-Corp did apparently what, kill Angela's was it mother? No, father. No, father's alive.

Father's alive. It was Elliot's father and maybe Angela's mother? That might be right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just trying to remember.

It has been a long time since you guys watched the series. Yeah. I'm just going to say, the things that may be a little open-ended or just weird, like Angela joining Evil joining evil call everything happens for a reason and if if you have a lot of questions i think once you watch the whole all four seasons i think most like the overwhelming majority of questions will be answered so there's a scene that another one of these fucking scenes where i just stopped watching after it happened um the scene where the ceo of evil corp was on tv and then he shoots himself in the head

oh that scene. You know, I remember when this was actually because I watched it while it was airing live. I did see this on the Wikipedia page. Yeah, and that episode actually got delayed one week because something that was really similar to that happened. I don't remember what it was.

Do you recall from the Wikipedia page what it was? No, but't remember what it was. Mm-hmm. Do you recall from the Wikipedia page what it was? No, but I can find it now. Let's see. Let's see. Because someone actually did that for real during the week it was supposed to air.

Yeah, yeah. I can't find it. No, I can't find it. no i can't find it but yeah that that sounds that sounds like something that happened so basically what i'm assuming happened was um okay if you if you weren't paying attention what i was saying basically in in this robot someone or the ceo of evil corp basically was like everything's fucked and then just shoots himself in the head so i don't know what's actually happened in real life but presumably this like a similar sort of thing happened like around the same time um and they're like okay well

we probably shouldn't air this like right now that probably isn't going to be a good idea. Because the same thing has happened with some anime series in the past as well. There was I can't remember what it was, but there was one series where it was about like a big earthquake that happened in Japan. And then, like, as the series started, a big earthquake happened in Japan.

And they're like, yeah, we probably shouldn't. Yeah. But and they're like yeah we probably shouldn't yeah but that fucking scene I think there's this Amazon series coming out something about man-made viruses

and it was supposed to air like a couple of months ago and then they decided to not. Oh, yeah. I think that's going to go down well. It'll be real popular right now. I guarantee that. Actually dropping in a couple of weeks.

I have not heard about that one. I guarantee my... I'm trying to figure out... Let me see if I can figure out what it was. I guarantee my conspiracy friends are going to be real into that one. Because I know a couple of guys who are real big on the idea that, you know, 5G is going to be used as a weapon. Oh, yeah, it's called Utopia. Ah, yeah. Utopia.opia okay utopia on amazon prime

i will check that out next time we do one of these series i want to try it would be interesting to try one of these but on something that none of the people have actually watched so we're like hey we're gonna sit down watch a series and talk about it because yeah as good as it is talking about something mr robot you guys haven't seen it in a long long time so yeah it's sort of just me saying stuff and then sort of like that's helping you remember scenes that have happened yeah that's very cool it'll be better for the later seasons but um if there's something down the line where you're like this show is

like looks really good then I'm happy to try something out and then you know we could so we can just like watch it for like a week period during like a holiday break or something yeah and catch up on like the Saturday or Sunday of that week and just recap our thoughts

pretty much yeah so what else do we have on here um angela's sort of uh i i don't think she's as insane as some of the characters but she's certainly she's actually i'm not insane is the best way to describe her. She's a very determined person. Yes. Yeah. Because... Yep, you were saying?

She feels very, I guess, unsatisfied about the death of her parent. Mm-hmm. So she just has to get that some sort of i guess revenge yeah um which leads nicely with the point we're saying before when she gets the job at ecorp um she can kind of weave herself into the system to get the case on her terms yeah essentially yeah yeah because you can see even from early on in the series you can see how like when she was having the discussion with um colby and elliot and gideon about like what was happening with the hack that happened like this

was right at the start i think it might have been the second episode. It might have even been the pilot. After that first hack happened where the fire was put onto the evil corpse systems. Even though she wasn't 100% sure on what she was saying. She was still like, this is my job. I have to do it. Yeah. Yeah.

this is my job, I have to do it. Yeah. Yeah. Even though that did sort of backfire on her and make Colby not particularly like her because she wasn't being 100% accurate on what she was saying. I didn't like, I did not like Colby at that point. I still, I don't like him now, but I think he's an interesting character.

Yeah, for sure. him now but i think he's an interesting character yeah for sure it wasn't um i i think it was i'm pretty sure it was season one um when engines are like the board meeting with colby and all that and then she like screws up yeah that's the thing i feel really bad yeah that was actually like really sad and then elliot like tries to stand up for her like try to tries to correct her and that made it worse which yeah then angela got really pissed at elliot for that i remember that i do get that that makes sense just like it does yeah i let if i'm gonna like i'm gonna fuck up my job just let me fuck it up don't try to to make it. Cause I, I see what Elliot was trying to do. He was like,

I see basically my only friend fucking up here. I kind of need to help her. And what he really should have done was not helped her then. And then sort of like consoled her afterwards. Yeah. But yeah. Elliot being a bit autistic like he is it's just like

I don't he didn't know how to handle that situation this is just the only way that actually makes sense to me yeah yeah yeah I love this show it's honestly great

that's so good I have no idea how much that means sorry? like just hearing someone say that based on all the fucking pressure I've been trying to put on people to watch it I've been wanting to watch on people to watch it.

I've been wanting to watch it for a while. I've just been lazy. Because I'm pretty sure Jai, he's seen like the, I think he's seen like three seasons. Hasn't seen the fourth. I don't know. I think.

Just finish it at that point. My ICT supervisor, he's seen half of the second season. I think he quit at the point which I referred to earlier. I think. But another good friend of mine, Stephen, he's seen all of it.

He's mad about the show as well. So I'm yet to see or hear about a person who doesn't really like it I think you should try to convince someone who's not into tech to watch it and then you can find someone I guess that's true definitely a certain

level of appreciation coming from our point of view. Yeah. Have you seen Silicon Valley, Brody? I haven't, no. Okay. I didn't mention it because I've seen some scenes just because a lot of lecturers like to show scenes

from Silicon Valley to explain like, here's some random, I think there was a course about, I had a big data course, and they showed a scene about how, like, their app was collecting data from kids or something, and they weren't... That was from Clatterham. Yeah, okay. Yeah.

With James. So I've seen clips like that here and there, but I haven't actually gone and watched it myself. Yeah. It's a good show it's very different from mr this one's definitely of course very comedy and a lot less realistic but it's it's a good show well i would put silicon valley in more of the same camp as like it crowd or something like that it's pretty much that yeah which i also haven't seen but i've seen clips of

oh it crowd is meh it's got laugh tracks which is i don't like that that puts it off oh no okay i'm good i can't do i can't do laugh tracks yeah same and silicon valley is an hbo show so there's a there's a certain level of there's a certain expectation yes and yeah it's and the whole show's finished as well I think they, oh actually I think the last season of Mr. Robot and

Silicon Valley was airing at the same time oh wow okay around the same time here's some advice to any producers if your show needs laugh tracks it's not funny yeah very true that's true look at something like community that's fucking hilarious and it doesn't need laugh tracks like big bang theory oh there's this uh there's this uh video lots of videos on youtube where they cut off the laugh tracks from Big Bang Theory.

So awkward. Yeah, my housemate, he'll sit down and watch like, he's always watching something. And I can tell instantly that it's going to be some sort of shitty comedy show because I can hear the laugh tracks. that it's going to be some sort of shitty comedy show because I can hear the laugh tracks. Yeah. He's watched all of Big Bang Theory, all of How I Met Your Mother, Two Broke Girls,

and all of them have laugh tracks in them and they're just not funny. To be fair, right now he's watching X-Files, which is much better. I haven't seen X-Files. Oh. I think I saw, like, when they rebooted it kind of a few years back I think I saw a couple of those episodes I haven't seen the

OG collection Now I'm just imagining what would happen if you took Mr. Robot and then put laugh tracks over it There's some scenes in there that you could make really funny if you stick laugh tracks over it oh there's some scenes in there that you can make really funny if you stick laugh tracks on it sorry are you thinking what i'm thinking oh no uh i don't think so okay some of the worst scenes and put laugh tracks on them like shayla shayla being dead this the ceo committing suicide um fucking elliot having a morphine elliot having like the morphine seizure in his bed

you know this could be like a youtube channel you know what's that it's it's something like um inappropriate censoring or something where it just censors out yeah this could be like a

real YouTube channel I mean I can I can see people not liking it no I think they'll love it some people won't like it i will absolutely adore it i would love it yeah oh fuck no it's gonna be a copyright nightmare with youtube yeah that's the only problem with it you wouldn't make a cent from it from ad revenue they just wouldn't run ads

on it yeah you could argue it's fair use i don't know if you could argue that sticking a laugh track over it counts as fair use then you would be in the same position we're saying like mirroring the video would be fair use fair enough yeah it's it's yeah it has a lot of gray area in the fair use copyright space well yeah you have a lot of grey area in the fair use copyright space. There's been some fair use arguments with the usage of Nintendo video games in the past.

Nintendo used to be really bad about claiming everyone who would post their stuff. It's just like, oh, I'm doing a let's play of whatever game. They'd be like, nope, can't do that or hey i i i don't know even if you're playing like the original mario they'd be like nope can't do that they've lightened up since then but they're still not as open as some companies are

some companies like okay here we understand that we have like a symbiotic relationship with these streamers and these let's players so instead of trying to claim the content and make money off of that it's probably better to just be like okay i understand that you know we're both benefiting from each other so i might as well just do it like that. I think that's like Fortnite and Minecraft. Well, yeah, they fully understand that. Yeah. Yeah. But they sort of can only exist in that sphere.

It's not like Fortnite or Minecraft have stories. But if you take something like, I don't know, The Witcher. Like the developers of The Witcher, CD Projekt Red, they could go and claim every single Witcher video that they wanted, but they understand that people playing through The Witcher

kind of entices people to actually purchase the game for themselves. Yeah. Because, like, you make your own stories in those sort of games as well, which is, is like the whole appeal i guess yeah um so this is like the main story and side quests but your own adventures in like monster hunting or um whatever it may be that's like the real the real grab for people i think at least for me for open world

games or um adventure whatnot i don't play games so i can't yeah shame i haven't played a game in a while but i pretty much never play games. So, if we go back to the main topic for just a moment, I'm not entirely sure why Elliot decided to keep the dog. Like, I get why he wanted to take it away from someone who was abusing it,

but... A companion. Is that the reason why he wanted it, do you reckon? Yeah, you can't just leave a dog. Right. Because I was like, why the fuck did Elliot just steal this dude's dog? Like, I get obviously trying to destroy his life

for messing with Krista, but, like, you don't have to take his dog. I guess just, like, I guess relief for him because he lives alone so he can just kind of chill with the little doggo while you're slaughtering some more pain actually that reminded me of a scene um i am here's my assumption i think that before the

series started elliot was taking one of his like um breaks off of morphine because darlene sort of had a a pretty bad like she didn't say anything, but she sort of had like a, like, are you fucking kidding me look on her face when she came into Elliot's house and saw that there was some like powder on the table. Yeah. So my assumption is that before the series had started,

Elliot was off of morphine for a while and that's why he doesn't understand, he didn't remember anything was happening because he was going through like morphine for a while, and that's why he doesn't understand. He didn't remember anything was happening, because he was going through morphine withdrawals. And then as the series started, he sort of got himself to a point where he was functional again. And then as it went on, Darlene was like,

why the fuck are you back on morphine? You were doing good for a while. Yeah. Ever since F Society kicked in, I think that peaked him a little while. Yeah. Ever since F Society kicked in, I think that piqued him a little bit. Yeah. So he had to, yeah. But that would explain why he doesn't remember, like, starting up F Society, because he probably was going through, like, morphine withdrawals and just doesn't know what the hell was happening back then. Yeah, yeah. At least that's my theory. might not be correct but it would also explain why darlene said uh i can't believe this is happening again you forgot who i

was again that would also explain that scene as well. It would, yes. Aw. I'm just trying to... I'm just thinking of a particular season four thing. You just wait, Brody. It's going to be a wild ride. Three more podcasts. Is season four the last season? Yes.

Okay. And when did that one come out? Last year. Yeah, late last year. Okay. Wow. Yeah, it's the only show that I've watched. Kelly and I, we watched it live from America with ads.

So there's a lot of bullshit in between but my god was it worth it yeah it's the only show i've ever watched live as well yeah i think the only show that i have set like sat through ads for for something online was the newest season of rick and morty i don't know why i sat through ads for it but american ads are fun because i think it was like american mcdonald's ads so weird it's like what the fuck is this pretty weird there's a lot of like medication yeah that's a weird one that's something you never see here well the most you really get is like you never see here well the most you really get is like paracetamol but yeah like there will be like actual drug ads on american tv ask your doctor about recommending x and y that's like

prescription drug ads which is you can't do that in australia like that that is not allowed yeah i don't think that's allowed in most places but america is weird it is a weird place yeah like i get it i get wanting to like let people advertise stuff like that but i think there's a point where you can kind of say okay this probably shouldn't be getting advertised hey you don't yes some prescription medication should be left to the doctors themselves and someone who knows nothing about the like the like the treatment shouldn't be recommending that or choosing something just based on an ad. You don't need to go ask your sketchy insane drug dealer for some Suboxons.

My laptop is running out of battery. I should probably go get a charger. If you want to go grab that, I'll just talk to Corey for a bit. Cool. I'll be back.

Okay. Well, good. Oh, fucking... Bye. Why did he do that? Now the scenes are fucked up. No. That's fine.

I'll just leave it. So anyone watching the audio version version nothing's happened for you the video version i'm now in three boxes so hey that's gonna happen um so how did you actually find mr robot then um so back in high school i used to go on like these weekly j JB Hi-Fi trips with my friend. Just buy random DVDs of TV shows. I saw JB Hi-Fi had this exclusive artwork.

For anyone who doesn't know what JB Hi-Fi is, it's like a consumer electronics store here in Australia. Oh, yeah. Anyway, go on. They sell different tech things. So I picked up an exclusive artwork Anyway, go on. So, different tech things. What not. So, I picked up an exclusive artwork for Turned Up to Be Mr. Robot. I just watched it.

And I think I watched it in, like, a couple days. Because I just, like, hooked on it. Especially after, like, those major plot points. I just, like, hooked on it, especially after, like, those major plot points. Mm-hmm. But then after that, I waited at least, like, maybe, like, another two years until I got to watch season two. Mm-hmm. He's back. Hi. Back.

Hello, hello. Thank you for breaking my scenes. Oh, sorry. This happened last time on the podcast as well. Should have been prepared. Should have been. Yeah. Anyway, you were saying, Corey?

Yeah, I started watching season two when I was in China for a holiday at the beginning of uni or, like, end of year 12. Yeah. And then another, like, two years happened until I watched season three. Wait, hang on. How did you watch it in China? VPN.

Oh. Yeah. Yeah, of course. Where in China were you? Shanghai, I believe, at that point. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Shanghai, I believe at that point. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. Um, so, I think I watched season one, and then when I watched season two, I watched season one, then season two.

Just to, like, recap. Yeah. And when I watched season three, I watched one, two, and three. And then, when season four rolled around, I was kind of at the end of season three, so I just kind of streamlined into that fairly seamlessly.

Maybe I could watch a recap video or whatnot. But yeah, it's kind of been a bit rocky. Having to just kind of kickstart Mythrobot again and again. Because I'd never watched it when it was, like, premiering or, like, fresh off of a DVD release or whatnot. Yeah, yeah. But, yeah. I'm glad I stuck with it, to be honest.

Yeah, I'm glad you did as well. It's been great so far. And now I've got a sick ass um dvd cover that i never knew would become so cool now that i love the show and can i take a picture of it yeah go ahead uh if you can send it through i'll try to show it i was just asking cory how he managed to find mr robot how he managed to find Mr. Robot. Yeah, like I think I said in the sound check, but yeah, one of my high school friends,

he, I think actually it was two high school friends. One of them is a tech guy and the other one is a non-computer person. Yeah, they both just got me into it and it's crazy because i think mr robot may have been my first proper tv show or one of the first because before that i was never into tv shows but i was big on movies right other than like i think hey other than like mitbusters which i was i was a huge fan of mitbusters i've seen all 10 seasons yeah yeesh uh yeah other than that i don't think i've pretty much watched i think that was the only tv show i've ever watched before mr robot now i watch lots of tv shows do you mean you haven't watched the past 40 years

of Neighbours? Oh, fuck. That's a show that's never going to end. 40? That's crazy. No, it's been going on for longer than that. Wow. 40 would only take us back to the 80s. It's been definitely going on longer than that. I reckon at least 50 years.

Wow. It's been definitely going along with that. I reckon at least 50 years. Same as home and away, my god. One thing that I'm real surprised about whenever I talk to someone from the UK is they actually really like Neighbours. I don't get it. Like Neighbours is a big thing there. Oh. I think it's because the uk is always like you know cloudy and shit so you look at a strip you look at neighbors and it's just always sunny unless something bad happens then it's raining that night yeah so there's my dvd looking clean

okay how can i show this on the screen? I'm gonna do something that will probably break things and hopefully it doesn't. Window capture? Yes. Haha, we got it. We want to Uh, window... Capture? Yes. Haha, we got it. Um, we want to show this one. This is what happens when I don't have my scenes working. Here we go. That actually looks pretty cool. So you just bought it because it looked cool? Yeah, pretty much. Strong themes, violence,

sex, coarse language, and drug use. Yes. I don't think the drug use should be at the bottom there. That's sort of like a main theme. Yeah. But I'm probably gonna buy the box set as well.

Just so I don't have to search for other means to obtain a Foxtel show. Yeah. Other means. Yeah, I've been using various

streaming sites. Yep. Which means I actually watched I think my first three episodes in like 480p. Yeah. Which is sad that is sad I had to go back and look at some stuff just to make sure that I to notice what the program that we're using actually was because like that I'd sort of recognize that in the pixely blur how did you watch it on 480 when you have three videos like two or three videos on um like transmission and all that good stuff uh because i i don't know that's a good question actually i should have just torrented it shouldn't i

i don't know why I use a streaming site, to be honest. That's the only thing you torrent. I found some sketchy streaming website that had ads everywhere. And you click on the video to play it, it pops up an ad. Click on the video to play it again, ad. No. The laugh is out of date. I think like four times in then i eventually got

it i do yeah it was fun when i was getting ads like your windows is out of date like if you say so thank you but yeah that was fun to watch um i should have just i should have just torrented it. That would have been easier. Yeah. Or you know make sure you pay for your content and all that. Don't give your money

to Netflix. I have reasons for not liking Netflix right now. Why is that? Go look up a series called Cuties and you'll find out why.

Yeah. Oh God. That's a whole podcast by itself. Yeah. But here's the thing. Maybe, just maybe, it's unlikely, but it could be intentional because they got a lot of free press.

The director of the series has been accused of being a child molester. Oh. Oh. Director of the movie, whatever it is. Yeah, that's the sort of series this is. So. I don't think the series is actually that. Is it a series or a movie?

I don't actually know. Yeah, whatever it is, I don't think whatever outrage it was causing, it was the opposite of that. But the Netflix promo material just had weird emphasis on... The promo material shouldn't have been what it was, but I have a feeling the movie is just going to be as bad. The big problem that people are also having with it

is the fact that it's rated mature, so it's going to be directed at adults. Yeah, okay. It's just like, I'm not exactly in favour. Actually, no, you know, I'm not going to say,

I'm very much not in favour of making a movie about 11-year-olds and then making a mature movie and making a sexual movie. That's not a thing I'm very much not in favor of making a movie about 11-year-olds and then making a mature movie and making a sexual movie. That's not a thing I'm at all in favor for. Yeah, no way. Yeah, that's... So, yeah, Netflix, I don't have a subscription, but I'm not going to get one at all now.

And, hey, I'd recommend not having one yourself because I would not recommend supporting a company that's gonna you know openly support content like this

but hey that's it's your choice it's your money do whatever you want with it yeah what's uh Mr. Robot

actually on to stream with Foxtel okay if you're not in a stream oh USA networks thing okay yeah to stream with. Fuck's sake. Okay, if you're not in Australia. Oh, USA Networks thing? Oh, okay. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, okay. It's not on... That's annoying. Yeah. Actually, I think it's on Amazon in the US. Okay, that's acceptable. Maybe.

I might be wrong. Let's find out. Let's find out what Mr. Robot is streaming on. Maybe. I might be wrong. Let's find out. Let's find out what Mr. Robot is streaming on. Mr. Robot... Stream... Online. Yeah, USA Network. Amazon.

Finder.com. Where can I watch Mr. Robot online? This is a nice website called Just Watch where it will tell you where you can watch what in which region. So sometimes like a Netflix thing, it may only be available in, I don't know, the or korea yeah or japan so it will tell you so you can just click vpn and suddenly you're watching

i don't know breaking bad or okay dexter so it seems like you can get it on iTunes. You can get it on Microsoft's movie store. You can get it on Google Play, Foxtel Binge, and also Telstra has a streaming thing, I guess. So what was that website you just told me about? Just Watch. Just Watch. Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. Cool. about just just watch oh yeah that's okay cool and then you can actually pick the country so i'm

just gonna go us and let's see oh yeah it's on um amazon prime video it's also on direct tv sling and usa network for streaming and for buying its own Apple TV, Amazon, Google Play, Fandango and Vudu, whatever that is. That's Vudu, the V-U-D-U. Yeah, Fandango I recognize, but Vudu I don't. That's actually pretty useful. I'll keep that in mind. Yeah, it's actually pretty useful. I'll keep that in mind. It's a good website.

So, yeah. Do that. Or, you know, stream it online through other means. I'm not going to stop you. It's your computer. If you're going to binge it, then just get a free trial for binge.

Yeah. What even is binge? You keep mentioning this. Oh, it's Foxtel's new streaming service. It's called Binge. Uh-huh. It's encouraging. It emphasizes bingeable shows.

Uh-huh. Okay. So it's got all of uh hbo um yeah pretty much all the hbo shows are only available on foxtel and i think the foxtel now or go whatever the streaming size was yeah this pretty much replaces that i think although i could be wrong. I'm not a fan of Foxtel. Way overpriced. I remember when I got the trial for Mr. Robot there were ads before you

could stream it on every episode. There were like, yeah, Macca's ads and LG ads. That's because you didn't pay for the premium stream tier. You're paying like $25 a month for Foxtel Go at a base, and you're still getting ads. Yeah.

And you can't get Mr. Robot on the base. You have to get like the entertainment pack or drama pack or one of them. Oh, I hate, yeah, I hate Foxtel. Yeah. And then suddenly if you want to watch silken valley then you have to get the comedy one oh i okay foxtel no one from foxtel is listening to this but foxtel listen to me on the internet we don't have these things called channel packages do not bring them here yeah i don't want like as much as i don't like netflix right now i would hate netflix even more if they started doing that

like just imagine if it became the norm to be like okay you have a a netflix comedy subscription if you want to go watch this other thing you need a netflix drama subscription oh you want this one you need netflix fantasy subscription it's like no stop that netflix you gotta give it up to them because they kind of started the whole pay like a ten dollar thing and just watch as everything as much as you want yeah Yeah. And I mean, it's not exactly great now because now you have to pay for six different streaming services if you want to watch everything, which is basically TV all over again.

Oh, that's right. Do you know how Netflix actually started? Like, they've been around before before you could do streaming. Oh, yeah, the DVD streaming mailing yeah i i've heard rumors i don't know if this is just like a a myth or something like that that their original name was going to be mail flicks which you know one is a bad name just in general because male flicks just sounds like a gay porn service um but also that would not uh that name would not have aged well it would have uh yeah it wouldn't have worked now

yeah i just remembered i may have talked to ken about this, but there's a, have you seen Ex Machina, Brody? The name rings a bell. I don't think I've seen it. Top tier movie. So good. Anyway, the creator of that also created a TV show called Devs. And that's, the synopsis on IMDB is, a computer engineer investigates the secretive development division in her company,

which he believes is behind the disappearance of her boyfriend. So I want to watch that. Because it's by Alex Garland, who did Ex Machina. Okay. Hey, this could be the show that we just kind of... Oh, can we, please? I'd be happy to do that. Yeah.

So this hasn't started yet, has it? It has. It has. But I haven't seen any episodes. It might be still on its first season. Yeah, list of episodes. I don't want to read the descriptions of them. Seems like eight episodes are out.

Yeah. So it seems like it ended in April. Yeah. Yeah. There's going to be a season two. It's on Hulu. It's also on Binge as well. That's how I found out again.

How much is Binge? Oh, I'm not sure. Let me check. Probably like 50 a month. It's something ridiculous, I'm sure. I know. 14 a month for the standard package. 18 a month for the premium package.

It's not too bad. It's not awful. Yeah, that's... It's way better than what Foxtel used to be. Yeah, well... It can't be worse than Foxtel.

I guess they had to change their name because Foxtel has this really bad name for themselves at this point. No one likes Foxtel. Yeah. You could honestly just cancel Netflix and get that instead. Because Netflix

has almost nothing good anymore. Oh, you know, VPN. That's also an option. Brody's got some good videos on how to set up transmission. Yeah, that's also an option. I'm actually probably going to replace it with Qubit Torrent

at some point. Is that better? Apparently so. I don't know. Hannibal's on Netflix now. Yeah, it's been there for like three weeks. What's on Netflix? Hannibal.

Hannibal. Probably his second or third favourite TV show. Hannibal. And you're going to re-watch it? I've got all the DVDs at home. Ah, yep. But I'll probably watch it on Netflix because I don't have a DVD player in my PC room.

Are you a fan of collecting DVDs, Brody? No, I just... You have any? I have zero DVDs. My mum's a big fan of collecting DVDs. But I just have lots of books. Like, here. Here's one.

Oh, anime. Yes. Manga. Yeah. Light novel. Basically, a novel, but there's pictures in every, like, 50 pages or so. Yeah. Oh, Doctor Sleeps on netflix now interesting give you

an example uh what was that oh here you go what was that um doctor sleep the the shining two essentially is on netflix now okay yeah so like you got regular novel stuff and then like every so often you get like a picture like this yeah okay yeah so usually it's going to be some like important scene that happens they're like here's a picture of something that's happening basically some light novels use more images than others shield heroes kind of it doesn't have that many but like then there's others where there'll be every like 30 or so pages something like that so it sort of depends on how much art they want to have really

yeah basically cool but yeah i've never been a big fan of DVDs. Yeah, same. I'm zero as well, but I'm not a fan of books either. I can't do e-books. It's not a thing. I don't do books at all. You just don't read? Yeah, I don't think I've willingly read a book since the Year 7 Premieres Reading Challenge. Jesus, okay. I don't think I've willingly read a book since like the year seven

premieres reading challenge. Jesus. Okay. But that being said, I read a lot of text in general. Like I read a lot of like articles. So I don't miss the premieres reading challenge. That was good stuff. Mine wasn't actually a fun thing.

It was actually part of our assessment to the Premier's Reading Challenge. Oh. So I didn't enjoy it. Like, the first couple of years, it was optional. And then when you got to, like, the end of primary school, then they made you do it. It's like, I don't want to do this.

Let me go play video games. Yeah. Maybe, like, the school could say oh we have a hundred percent success rate with premier reading challenge that was exactly what it was yeah so i found the least terrible thing i could read and i think i read like goosebumps or something i think that kind of defeats the purpose of what they were trying to do with the reading challenge it was something to encourage students yeah so anyone who's not Australian

who would have no idea what this is is it a thing outside of South Australia? oh I'm not sure I don't know not sure anyway so the premier's reading challenge was basically a um a way to encourage kids to like read just start reading more because a lot of people yeah it's a thing in new south wales as well um it was basically a way to encourage kids to start

reading more because there's a lot of kids now who just you know don't really read any books they just it wasn't as bad as when like we were kids but it's gotten even worse now it was there was just a lot of people who they sort of learn to read at school and then like read as little as possible and it's sort of it doesn't stick as much and as they get older it's obviously then going to be harder to read and you kind of want to make sure they get that those skills as early as possible so it's just sort of a fun way to get people to start reading and i think you got like a award if you finish the challenge and you got medals yeah And you got every consecutive year, I think, you got, like, gold and, well, bronze, silver, gold, Hall of Fame and all that. Yeah.

Basically, it was a way to encourage kids to just keep reading rather than just thinking it's like maths and just never bothering it. Basically. Yeah. That's one of those things that probably could be worked on just some fun way to get kids into maths because by the time you hit like cool math games yeah like cool math games that was oh yeah that was one of the only websites that were unblocked at school. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yep. Because one of the... I think by the time we hit, like, year 10, most people kind of realise

that what you're learning in maths class, you don't need to know. It's like, trigonometry? Don't need that. Statistics? Don't need that either. So, it would be nice if there was some way to get kids actually interested

in actually learning that stuff. Because right now, most teachers are pretty dry with the way they teach it. Very dry. It's not like it has to be. For example, go check out a... Do you know who 3Blue1Brown is? Yes. Okay, it's a...

Yeah, Corey does. It's a statistics channel. I guess it's mainly statistics. It does other sort of math stuff as well and shows everything that's going on through visualizations and animations and stuff. So if it's talking about for example what exponential

growth is there was one early on showing um how population movement between different sectors can actually cause a virus to expand and basically it showed it with like a visual representation of here are each of the populations here's a like a dot moving between them here's how that's actually spreading in those populations and then as those infected people go to other populations here's a like a dot moving between them here's how that's actually spreading in those populations and then as those infected people go to other populations here's how that spreads basically it's just a and a more interesting way than just like here's the formula for how exponential growth happens and those are some of the videos that have really gotten me back into actually, I guess, enjoying math concepts. Yeah.

Yeah. Same with, like, computer file videos. Like, those are fun ways to teach different programming concepts. Yeah. Yeah. What's the A-Sci one? Probably about five times. That is, yeah.

That was very, very useful. Thank you. The lectures were pretty dry. What was that? The lectures, some of the AI lectures we had, well, actually, most of them were super dry. Yeah. The workshops, sorry, the toots and the pracs were,

actually, I never went to the pracs, but the toots were really good. Mm-hmm. So, yeah. Yeah, I think that's sort of just... A lot of the lecturers are pretty dry at uni. Like, there's a couple which are good. For example, the one we have for big data right now. Oh, what a lad.

Yeah, he's a lad. But then you also have like adam adam's really good yeah and stewart was pretty good sure joe joe yeah yeah if there's nothing else other than the slide you're talking about then why even bother yeah there's so many lecturers who are like here here's the slide. I will literally read the slide to you. It's like, why am I here? That's why most of the lecturers don't have people showing up because most of the lectures are just nothing.

You can literally read it yourself and get the same information. Yes. Yeah. Speaking of big data though how much do you love that person with the questions oh my god I knew

from like the first week that this was gonna be like a thing like this person was gonna after we heard that she'd failed big data before and it's not a hard course at all yeah yeah and she and like this person's doing a master's it's yeah okay so concerning okay so any here's what's happening we we're doing a big data basics class right now it's a master's course so

it being a master's course it's kind of assumed that you have some base level of knowledge if you're going to be in a tech class this person has asked some of the most fundamental tech questions i've ever heard and i'm not being like oh what is How does this I don't know how does this specific? Big data technology work how what exactly is Hadoop? I don't understand the difference between Hadoop and HDFS stuff like that's entirely reasonable I don't have those answers perfect down pat in my head. No What is AI? Not like specifics just like a high level, just those two letters.

What does AI stand for? Yeah. I didn't understand that the, I didn't understand what batch processing was. Oh, petabyte. Oh yeah, PB. What is PB? It's like, I don't know, are you a speed runner? Are you thinking of that sort of PB?

There's always, like, I thought these people got filtered out in the first, like, two or so years. Yeah. But apparently someone made it to a master's course yeah it just shows how broken the grading is actually since i've got both of you here did you hear about um the potential changes to the way that hex is or potential changes to hex that are potentiallyx is... Or potential changes to Hex that are potentially coming up.

With failing. I think Josh told me about it. Josh would definitely be big on this one, for sure. Yeah. So, okay. I guess I'll give a bit of a background to what Hex is. So, Hex is basically the loan program we have for universities similar to how the u.s works except it's not going to bankrupt you if you fail um by the government yeah basically it's a private

it's a government bankrupt bankrupt a government loan scheme to go to university so if you want to go to software engineering you just say hey i go to software engineering, you just say, hey, I want HEX. And then once you get accepted to the course, basically the government will pay for that. And then once you're making more than $45,000 a year, then you have to start paying it back. Anything before that point, you don't have to pay anything back,

but it will still keep having interest put on top of it. So if you never pay it back, you might have like a three hundred thousand dollar debt but you don't have to pay it back until you're past this certain threshold of income and yeah and the and the the uh interest isn't like great actually there's there is no interest the only thing is it gets indexed for inflation against inflation every year which is well i think it's pretty as good as it gets yeah it's certainly without having a i can give my argument for why a free system is terrible but without doing that this is probably the cheapest way that it could be done for the individual.

Yeah, definitely. Personally, I don't have much of a problem with the way that it's been structured. Now, the proposed change, I'm actually very much in favor for, which Josh would not like. Basically, the... Actually, you know what? So I don't get anything wrong. I will find the actual letter. Actually, you know what so I don't get anything wrong. I will find the actual the letter

So Hex Hex change Is that broken everything just entertain people for a couple of seconds, I guess Actually, we're on my Twitter, won't it that the great entertainment guys imaginary juggling there's also going to be audio listeners maybe do some oh yeah um i'm juggling multiple balls multiple yeah uh where is how long ago did i have free tweets? I post way too much on Twitter. Here we go. Cool, found it. Excellent.

That's way too small. I'll put it over here and zoom in on it. I can't zoom in on it. I'm going to... God, this is... Open image in a new tab. This is really annoying. There we go.

Cool. So, therison government is taking action to protect students and taxpayers from the accumulation of large help debt so hex help is what the full name of it is uh that do not provide benefits to the students and are unlikely to be repaid the job ready graduates legislation contains measures to strengthen and extend student protection and provider integrity by. So here is where the changes are going to come in. So requiring that universities ensure that all students are academically suitable for their course of enrollment and that students are engaged with the course and maintaining a reasonable completion rate. I don't think that anyone's going to really have a problem with that specific point, unless you have some reason to disagree with that one.

No, nothing. The university should basically be ensuring that people are actually capable of doing the course, and if they're not, basically get rid of them, which is how the system already works. Yeah. and if they're not basically get rid of them which is how the system already works yeah um ensuring that a student's hex help debts can be forgiven if their progress has been affected by special circumstances this is one of the points that i think people did skip over so basically if you were in a situation where you i don't know your mother was in a car crash or something and you weren't able to do the exam or something like that that could be taken into consideration

and here's where the the big change happens and then i'm entirely fine to be wrong on this but i feel like this is a massive improvement so students with a low completion or progression rate will no longer be able to access a Commonwealth supported place, HECS help or fee help. So basically means they won't have access to the loan program. A low completion rate would be a student who has failed more than 50% of eight or more units in a bachelor course. If a student can demonstrate circumstances...

I can't read apparently. I need more of the Premier's Reading Challenge. If a student can demonstrate... If a student can demonstrate circumstances have adversely affected their academic performance, for example, illness or bereavement their education provider can allow for consideration of these impacts if a student transfers to another course the low completion rate will not be carried with them so if you transfer from software engineering to electrical engineering because you were failing

a lot in software engineering that won't follow you from that end. You can still keep going with your hex help. Now, where do you guys actually stand on this? Because personally, I think that if people are not capable of completing the course, they shouldn't be getting basically infinite government loans to keep doing it forever. Okay. Plus, if something... You go. Okay. doing it forever okay like all these loans if okay the whole loan system thing is coming from the taxpayer because without the taxpayer the

government wouldn't have any money for loans and if okay if someone's failing a year the whole year and they keep repeating for 10 years and you know that they're gonna keep doing this for the rest of their lives because they're i don't know getting centerlink or whatever or what notrelink uh youth allowance and they're not going that's that's 10 times 10 that's a hundred thousand dollars that's never going to be paid and there's more involved with the youth allowance that's probably like another half that and it's going to be tax money so it's tax money so it's i am kinder in favor for it but there needs to be like a better maybe they're doing it because they need the youth allowance look i and maybe a better system might be just help them okay there is there is a UBI Kenley am I what a universal basic income well I am in favor of that actually yeah cool just wanted to get that level there

yeah yeah but like I am in favor of the the new proposal with exceptions of course like some people need some more time than some others but after a certain after I mean once you fail the same course five times it's probably not

not for you yeah and that's I mean like you mentioned it doesn't carry across to another course and maybe you're doing software engineering for the third time and you realize yeah maybe this isn't for me and i should be doing i don't know medicine or whatever sure yes so yeah i just said a lot of things that I don't even know what I said. Corey, what about yourself?

All of that. Plus it gives more incentive to people, for people to actually do well. Right. Yeah. So if you don't want to almost pay off your stuff early because you're not doing so great, then why not just work a bit harder and have that loan support for you? And you can pay it off in your own time when you have a career foundation built up and

you're earning over that 40k threshold. foundation built up um and you're earning over that 40k threshold so i'm i'm just i'm completely in favor of this change but i'll just play devil's advocate for the sake of playing devil's advocate so one of the arguments i did hear a lot on twitter was uh this is sort of incentivizing people to do well at university by fear now if we go back to where i actually stand on this i think that if you're going to university there is some level of personal responsibility you should have for getting that work actually done but absolutely i can i can see the argument for why someone would be against it because it's trying to incentivize people to work hard by fear but where do you guys stand on that point then oh

there's not so much fear it's more university is like the first thing you do as an adult no one's holding your hand anymore like high school exactly no one's pressuring you to attend lectures.

It's your own responsibility. And I don't think it's a fear thing. You decided to do it. So you should probably... I mean, at the end of the day, if there's like $5 million or $5 billion of debt that's not paid back, at the end of the day, it's on the taxpayers. And someone's got to pay for it anyway.

Yeah. There was another point that I had had but i can't exactly remember uh there there was okay one point was um i saw a lot of people saying that this is sort of going to disincentivize people from lower income households to go to university but i don't really think that that's a fair argument to make because it's not a secret. My family isn't rich by any means. I come from a pretty working-class family. The last couple of years of my high school,

I was just living off of a single-parent income. We're on like $30,000 a year, which is not much. $30,000 a year, which is not much. I don't think that saying that just because you're going to cancel people's loans if they fail a lot is going to be a disincentive. I think that for people who want to go to university and who actually want to do it, not that they're going there because they think that's what you have to do as an adult. I think people who actually want to do that because they want to better themselves those people i think regardless of the circumstances there is still a loan system there they're going to work hard and if you want to make something out of your life you have to work hard and this is sort of the first step in taking that journey absolutely nothing can be spoon-fed to you pretty much as an adult

at all and the whole point of hex is to just kind of level the level the playing field sure yeah there's there's obviously going to be people who can't afford to get like to actually pay off a american style loan for example. Yeah. So, I mean, you can get... You're pretty much guaranteed. Everyone is guaranteed as long as they're, like, a citizen. So I don't get how that argument is... I think it's people taking ideas from the American context and applying the American loan system to the Australian loan system

as if it's a one-to-one replacement, which it's a very, very different system. Our system is basically the most... I guess the least restrictive loan system you could possibly imagine exactly you only index for inflation you have it's basically guaranteed regardless what your credit score is as long as you have the the score to actually get into the course you don't have to pay it back until you're making well above uh the point that you can survive at yeah and it and even when you do it's only like one percent of your income

like the tax office automatically takes and well like if you're making 100k a year then it's probably going to take only four or five percent of your income but at that point it's negligible and that's I think that's 1% per annum isn't it I'm not sure

I can't remember what the exact number was they regularly take a small portion but it's such a minuscule amount that unless you're living in like melbourne like in the inner city of melbourne which you shouldn't be doing on 45 000 a year anyway because that's a stupid idea you'll be fine yeah i guarantee josh is gonna have some other words for it

when I... I'm thinking of bringing him on next week, and I guarantee he's going to have a very different opinion on this one. Raise the comment section. Oh, I've got to bring out the hammer and sickles. Yes, this has been a fun episode i enjoyed talking about mr robot that was fun definitely i'm down for another three minimum for mr robot and then maybe we'll also do one

on devs or something i don't know yeah or another show is that comes if a good one comes up exactly yeah i'll be once once we're done with university and I have more free time, then I'll be more than happy to try out more stuff. Because right now I'm sort of like very strapped for time. I'm working, oh, hit the mic. I'm working like 15 hours a week at my day job. I'm doing university full-time

and also doing the content creation full-time so it's sort of like i don't have much time outside of this i reckon i'm yeah if you put all those together i'm probably working like 80 or 90 hour weeks so yikes but i enjoy how i enjoy the the content creation stuff so it's not like it feels like it's a lot of work but for sure i don't have much free time with all of that stuff together really yeah yeah that's that's fair enough so it's a bit yeah a bit definitely it's a bit it's a yeah how are you guys actually going with that right now with uni yeah well ict project is i don't have anything more to say than our previous episode it's still a mess and nobody knows what they're doing uh what's even better now that andrew's taken over the course yeah true he's he's i mean he's so he's so lazy and

putting the assignments up i should be saying that because i know he watches my channel no but oh really he knows on the channel he he did restructure the assignments and that's great and he like the when he did put it up put up like the like the schedule and stuff it's way better than he used to be it had like breakdowns of all the percentages and stuff that's really good yeah that's way better than what it used to be it's it's he's a little slow to get things going but when he does it's way better than it was for sure it's doug wasn't running it badly i think the course was just a mess there was too many assessment pieces like why do we need three presentations and like which we didn't do anyway

and then like three status reports for the presentations and all this other stuff as well. Just slim some of that stuff down, make the stuff that's already there bigger. There you go. Fix your problem. So Corey, how about yourself? Yeah,

it's gone fairly chill so far at least. Working at ICT three days a week in the city. I'm barely doing like five hours a week. That's 24 hours a week. Mondays are half days because we do documentation on Mondays and then we do

six to seven hours. We're only meant to do 15 hours. Oh, I will. We're on top of it, so it's all good. You're doing so much more work than I'm doing. Mine is such a lazy project. Big data. Yeah, I started the assignment,

but that's like during another month, I just realized. So it's... 20 days. So 18 days, actually. So not a month. Yeah. No, definitely not a month. That's actually two and a half months.

I swear it was during the 20th of September. Which is, yes, 18 days. So, no, that's not it. It's the 22nd today. It is, yeah. I can't do maths. Ignore me. It is a bad month, isn't it? For some reason in my head, I was like, oh, that's not it. It's the 22nd today. It is, yeah. I can't do maths. Ignore me. It is a bad month, isn't it?

For some reason in my head, I was like, oh, that's fucking 20 days away. Like, how many days in a month? No, it is a month away. Okay, that makes me a bit less stressed. VR is probably, like, the main pressure point, because I've never really worked with Unity before, so I'm learning all of that. Yep. Plus trying to implement

a haunted house, per se. So I have to design things and get assets and not so much learn C Sharp, but learn Unity's way of programming in C Sharp. There's one of the requirements

on the assessment. I'll send you a link for it afterwards. It's about the spider web assessment I'll send you a link for it afterwards it's about the spiderweb I'll send you a link to a video about making a cloth system and you can adapt that to having the spiderweb work ooh sick because that was one of the ones where I wasn't really sure how to do it but I think approaching it through the cloth system

is probably the easiest way to do it okay cool um through the cloth system is probably the easiest way to do it okay cool um yeah vr for me i'm i'm basically done with the assignment i'm sort of just like doing polishy stuff but i'm not polishing it too much sort of just poly polishing it for the assessment criteria at this point i don't care about making a good game for it i'm just gonna get the uh the criteria done well enough to get the marks and that's about it because like even the prac teacher said because i was in the vr room on uh thursday

darren asked the prac teacher if it has to be something special he's like no you can literally just have four blank rooms with gray walls and you'll still get the same amount of marks okay um it's like i've seen people with like two or three stories like heaps of stairs and with grey walls and you'll still get the same amount of marks. Okay. I've seen people with two or three stories with heaps of stairs and something outrageous. I'm like, is it worth that much effort? The part I was happy about was where he said grey walls

would give you the marks because I haven't done textures. I've just done coloured materials. Same, yeah. I might put a wood floor in, but apart from that... Yeah, I found an asset on the asset store. Just, like, yeah, like, a wood flooring, like you say. You just splash it on the flooring. It makes it look a bit better.

Like, it doesn't have to be anything outrageously... ..special or unique as long as it fits the bare minimum you're not going to get extra marks or many extra marks Elliot when he's just sitting there listening to people talk and just doesn't fucking care at all this is games

clearly I don't care oh what are you doing this semester then oh me it's the rubber the the visualization ah okay the one that is not meant to be a re a a ICT project because there's very little or no programming. Oh, no, your other classes, not just your ICT project. Oh, just big data. Oh, okay. Because I did an internship second year, so I got a credit for it. That makes sense.

Yeah, the game doesn't look too hard to make. I'm basically done. Just, yeah, polishing. Most of it is literally just, like, box colliders. Yeah. Really. It's like you walk near a window, a car drives by. You walk near a door, it opens for you. Oh, you have it drive by when you walk by the window?

I'm just having... Yeah. Mine's just on a loop. You're just constantly driving by. Either... Yeah, either one. Like, you touch a button, a door opens sort of thing. You touch a light switch a light

um switches on most of it is just events yeah i wonder how many people are gonna fail because they've uh left their assignments on the test computer oh god like there's so many assignments just on that computer. Yeah. Any misconduct? Probably. Because what happens in the VR labs, everyone logs into the WCL account, and they just leave their assignments there. I make sure to delete mine,

but these people aren't very smart. That's like a disaster waiting to happen. It is. I don't know how Bruce is on the way with it for so disaster waiting to happen it is i don't know how bruce yeah yeah it is um unity collab which is like git but for unity or you just get itself and just delete all your files off of the thing every time i just put a folder on the desktop and just delete yeah yeah yeah but yeah yeah it's it's so easy just to um swipe

I think the only reason it hasn't become a problem is because none of the upper like management has noticed it yet because this you shouldn't be using just a single account like this is a very bad idea yes

I'm actually surprised I haven't had a big academic you shouldn't be using just a single account. Like, this is a very bad idea. Yes. I'm actually surprised they haven't had a big academic misconduct event because of it. It's like the same thing as, like, the AGP computers. So I worked on the mobile application development assignment on there because I didn't have a Mac myself. So I had to use um xcode on the mac and so did everyone else really yeah um it's very similar sort of thing yeah yeah i had a vm set up on my computer and that was how i did it which wasn't great but it's certainly

better than having all of my code in front of other people legit yeah yeah it's a learning curve most viewed videos brody back then the video that you made on how to set up the vm i fucking hate that that video got popular it was such a bad video it's not very popular now it's um nowhere near one of my biggest videos but yeah at the time it was one of the most popular i remember because right now i think it's not a great video but I think one of my better videos is at the top now. Yeah. My top video right now is 26,000 views.

And it's... The thumbnail basically just says, Vim is actually a good code editor with a bunch of question marks on it. And then the title is Vim. I was wrong. It's actually a good code editor which isn't a great title uh but 26k views which is good bang and my second one is also a vim video this one's on vim

wiki which is like a note-taking system in vim and then on my terminal alacrity then bspwm which is my window manager then more vim videos and then me shitting on OhMyZSH, which got retweeted by the OhMyZSH devs, which I love. They're like, oh, I guess OhMyZSH isn't for everyone. And it's just like, literally in the first couple of minutes, I was just saying that OhMyZSH is useless

and no one should ever run it. And it just got retweeted by the devs. Interesting. Repress. Yeah, absolutely. I'm not going to say no to it. Yeah. I think the reason why that...

Actually, it was a different VM video I did. I did a VM video about setting up a Ubuntu VM. And that one did pretty well as well, but that one got retweeted by Canonical. I have no idea who that is. The devs of Ubuntu. Oh, right. So, that one

made sense, but the first one, the Mac one, it was actually really bad because I showed me making a mistake in it and it was part of the video and it made the video like half an hour long stop me when i make a bad video like that just tell me to not do that yeah i honestly don't watch the linux videos no that's fair i did like your recent video or actually i think it was early last week

about um how it's not worth going to uni when everything is online that one was a definitely agree with your thoughts there that one took so fucking long to record i kept making mistakes i tried going around in circles. I tried to, yeah. People complained about it in the comments. I tried to do those outdoor videos in one take, and it just wasn't happening with that video. I don't know why.

Yeah. There is a pretty good recording spot I did find, but last time I went there, they were trying to remove a stump from the ground. I was like, okay, this is not great for recording. There's going to be a lot of noise here. Yeah. So maybe I go there next time,

and then I sit down on the tree or something. Because the pacing... I wanted some movement, but I didn't have far to move. And it just didn it didn't work. Obviously. Yeah, that... I mean, I think it's still better

than just the static background. Sure, yeah. Yeah, it's why I have the light now. I don't use this for regular videos, but for the podcast, it adds something to it. Yeah. It's a bit more colourful.

Hmm. So, yeah, we've been going for nearly 2 hours and 45 minutes. It's 2 hours 43, 41 seconds right now. So, I'm happy to wrap it up because I know you guys have stuff to do later in the day.

Yeah. Oh, well, Corey's saying something. Is he? Is his audio not working? So my power just cut out of my house. Well, I guess that's a good time to end the video. Oh, Lord. Okay, well... guess that's a good time to end the video oh lord okay well um i'm surprised i didn't lose power because we're actually pretty close by

must be uh more located to his street or something i don't know yeah possibly anyway um thank you for coming on to the show. We'll see if he can get back on the show before we end it. Is there any channels out there that you've been watching lately that you want to give a shout-out to? I think there's a bit of tension. Not off the top of my head. Not anything recent, but something like maybe In A Nutshell or KurtzGazette.

That was a good video, good channel. Now he's gone. Oh, yeah, finally. I was wondering why he was... How do you spell that? Wait, have you never heard of them? No. Oh, my God.

They make... Wait, let you never heard of them? No. Oh my god, they make... Wait, let me... Hi. Sorry. Welcome back. Minor power outage. There we are. That's the one.

So good. Okay. Also another great channel is Let Me Know. Here we go. This is a mess. What is this channel about? It's about, it's like really bite-sized um sciencey topics or actually it's not just science but it's really well researched videos that are these are really good thumbnails what the fuck

they're so good yeah they they put a lot of effort into their videos. And they have proper researchers. Yeah, they're really good videos, and I highly recommend them. Yeah, I will definitely check this channel out. And they list their sources. Every claim they make, there are sources on the top left and all that. And it's just 5Gg conspiracy calm it's there are actually good sources mm-hmm and the second one let me know they're nice

documentary style videos pretty good what was the second one sorry let me know I sent it on the discord let me know it's like le mm I and oh oh What was the second one, sorry? Let me know. I sent it on the Discord. Let me know. It's like L-E-M-M-I-N-O. Oh. Yeah, that. Oh, okay.

This, wait, this one rings a bell. I watched the Universal S video. Oh, yeah. I knew it ringed a bell. Yes. Was that the one that you saw? Yeah, I have seen that video i was i've been looking for this video for a while i couldn't remember who made it yeah i'm already subscribed to this

channel videos oh cool i can't believe you haven't heard of kerskazat they're on trending all the time i don't look at trending i mean youtube, YouTube trending is just... Just garbage. Yeah, when I open up trending, it's just like, here's some random vlogger. Fortnite. Yeah, pretty... Fortnite, random vlogger, here's a music video. Tell me about WAP.

Yeah. Corey, do you know what WAP is? I've heard of it recently, but not really. Go look up WAP after this podcast ends. Okay. What are you snacking on, Corey? Fried rice. Oh, good stuff.

Yeah, boy. So, Corey. Yes? Channel, give me one that you want to shout out Any particular genre? Something you're enjoying I'm just scrolling through my subscription list hang on um oh i saw this uh tv series this show literally yesterday and i binged it in one

sitting it's called biohackers it's on okay it's on netflix it's it's a german show but it's on Netflix it's a German show but it's it's quite good it's very bingeable as well it's only got six it's probably it's four hours probably

six episodes about 40 minutes each okay really good okay I'll check that one out it's quite good

there are English audio there is English audio if that's what if you're you know no I'm good with subtitles yeah There is English audio if you're dubs or subs. No, I'm good with subtitles.

Yeah. You got anything, Corey? Quite a good gaming channel if you enter that is Teo. He makes really, really funny videos. And that is spelled? Teo.

Yep, you were saying? Yep. He just makes really funny montages And that is spelled... T-E-O. Ah, T-E-O. Yep, you were saying? Yep. He just makes really funny, like, montages with him and his friends. Or sometimes just him with, like, a single-player game. But his reactions to some shit are just so funny. And if you remember Ryan Dreschler,

he's a big fan of him as well. So that's a gaming channel. I don't know, because I watch a lot of different shit on YouTube. It's all good if you don't have anything else. Um. I hear there's this new and upcoming YouTuber. His name is Brodie Robertson. I hear he makes videos. Oh, true.

You should go check him out. We'll do that at the end of the show. If you've got nothing else, I can move on to my one yeah go for it cool so there's a podcast I've been watching recently who's got some pretty big names in the

in anime youtube hosting it so this is a podcast called Trash Taste it's hosted by gigak the anime man and uh c-dog va and recently they did an episode with um with shibuya kaho which is a ex uh female porn star in japan and that was a really good episode and basically they just talk about shitty anime and just talk about

just being anime creators and stuff like that and it's a fun show, I enjoy it especially because I haven't watched the anime man or Giga in a very long time so yeah, go watch it. Go watch if any of those names sound interesting to you.

What was that one called, Brody? Trash Taste. Trash Taste. It recently showed up in my, uh, Suggested, which is how I find most of my channels, to be honest. Like, that's how I found The Lockpicking Lawyer and some other fun ones oh that's a good channel really good channel yeah you know once you start watching like a dozen or so videos you realize

how just insecure locks are that's the reason why i'm now telling people don't buy smart locks yeah you don't yeah definitely don't want that It's a bad idea in general, just because if your power's out and there's no battery in it, you can't unlock your door. And they're also very insecure. Zero days. Mm-hmm.

And they're probably all made in China, which means there's probably some backdoor to it. Probably. Very likely. It's just a bad idea in general, so just don't buy smart locks. So, I think that's

probably everything, isn't it? I think that's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool, so, before... Actually, do you guys have anything you want to shout out nothing no just going through your life

doing that wage slavery always also Brody if you want to go watch a movie go watch yourself some Tenet, because Kelly and I are going with a bunch of people. And if you want to do a podcast on Tenet,

hit me up. What is that? Oh, yeah. I think Tenet's going to be one of those mind-blowing, just, like, weird films. It's probably, like, one of the... I don't think a new movie has been released in theaters since like maybe February.

Yeah. It was one of those first films. It's a Christopher Nolan movie. Yeah, we're seeing it released today. So you know it's going to be trippy. Oh, I can't... Wait, dude. Oh.

Oh, so excited. Two more hours. Armed with only one word, tenet, and fighting the survival of the entire world, a protagonist journeys through a twilight world of international espionage on a mission that will unfold in something beyond real time. Sounds like fun.

Oh. Yeah, I'd be happy to go watch that. Hell yeah. Cool, so you guys got nothing to... I'd be happy to go watch that. Hell yeah. Cool. So you guys got nothing to shout out? No. I'm good. Yeah.

Okay. So before we go, I would like to thank my supporters, Joachim, Corbinian, Craig, Nathan, Andrew,

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than having a fucking massive wall of links. Also, remember to go check out the main channel, that is Brodie Robertson, available on Library, YouTube, BitChute, and other places as well. This podcast, if you're not watching it on, as the video version is available,

as a video version on Library and YouTube, the audio version is available anywhere you listen to audio podcasts. So I think that's pretty much everything for us. Do you guys have anything else to say before we end off the show? Just watch Mr. Robot. for us. Do you guys have anything else to say before we end off the show? Um, just watch Mr.

Robot. Yeah. Well, yeah. So yeah, I think that's everything then I'm going to play the outro then. What a bop. I can do a nice track.

The last guy I had on was like, that sounds like porn music. Oh, Lord. It's a fun show. I enjoyed it. It was good. Thank you guys for sticking around for three hours, I guess. Thanks for having me.

Yeah, no worries, man. You guys are always welcome back whenever we have something interesting to talk about, I guess. Awesome. Looking forward to it. Cool. I will talk to you guys later then. Thank you.

Bye.