Tech Over Tea - #30 Odysee, LBRYlytics & Arduino - Alojz Jakob (LBRYlytics Owner)

Episode Date: September 24, 2020

Today guest is the developer and owner of LBRYlytics, the one and only tool for tracking your LBRY and Odysee channel statistics. We didn't talk a ton about his platform we mainly discussed the new LBRY website known as Odysee, some of the Arduino projects Alojz Jakob has done in the past and just general programming stuff. ==========Guest Links==========  Portfolio: https://www.alojzjakob.com/  LBRYlytics: https://www.lbrylytics.com/ ==========Support The Channel========== ► Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/brodierobertson ► Paypal: https://www.paypal.me/BrodieRobertsonVideo ► Amazon USA: https://amzn.to/3d5gykF ► Other Methods: https://cointr.ee/brodierobertson ==========Video Release========== 📚 LBRY: https://open.lbry.com/@TechOverTea:3 🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBq5p-xOla8xhnrbhu8AIAg DISCLOSURE: Wherever possible I use referral links, which means if you click one of the links in this video or description and make a purchase we may receive a small commission or other compensation. I am a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and related sites. 🎵 Intro Music Aces High by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3337-aces-high License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/b

This is what happens. Well, I guess we can have a friend for the rest of the show. No, I think they will be funny, actually. Imagine if he jumps again here on top of my chair. It will be funny. That was a different cat to the one before, wasn't it? Was that a different cat to the one we saw before? Yeah, I have two cats.

Ah, okay. One black and one... Well, I have two cats. Ah, okay. One black and one... Well, I started the recording. I like to do that to people. So, welcome to episode 30 of Tech of a T. Oh my god. I am going to completely butcher your name if I even try to pronounce it. So, how about you tell people what your name is?

My name is Alois. Alois. That's how you pronounce it in Serbian. Yeah. Okay. And the confusion comes from the way it's written in Serbian and the way it should be written in English, for example. So in English it should be A-L-O-I-S, for example, and then you should be able to pronounce it. Right. Okay. I've got on the scene here I've got it written as the way you have it on your Twitter and your library accounts. Yeah, that's the correct way. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Okay That's what I'm used to

Well, I'm happy to go with whatever you're more used to it doesn't really bother me It's gonna be the same pronunciation regardless and i'm probably going to butcher it either way as it is written and pronounce it as i told you okay cool easy that works for me so how are you doing uh i'm actually super excited i'm fine but i'm excited because this is my like first live stream or recording and interview or name it. Well, think of it like this, okay? Most of the people... Be gentle. Be gentle.

Just be gentle. I'll try not to cut you off, but Discord's always a little bit annoying with that. There's a bit of a delay and it gets in the way of trying to talk to people. But I will try to be nice because some people have called me out for doing it okay thank you well okay think about it like this okay most of the people i've brought on have uh basically never even recorded the video so you're at least ahead of those people like most people i've brought on have just been friends from uni so you'll be fine I guess so

the only thing actually I don't like is my voice when I hear my voice that's the that's actually what's stopping me from recording my own videos and stuff you may maybe have noticed that I usually have like

mv files published or just videos without my voice. I just record things, put some background music and that's it. So maybe I will break the ice now with you. Thank you. Well, your voice is definitely really distinctive. So some people will definitely recognize it. Most people aren't, like people in like Australia at least Definitely aren't used to hearing a voice like yours. So definitely be easy to remember. That's for sure

So is that a good or bad thing I would say it's a good thing for sure Okay, but to be fair Americans think that Australian accents sound good So, I don't know don't trust anyone else what things about an accent so yeah, and I'm not a native English speaker. I'm from Serbia and English is not my mother tongue so that's that's why. But everyone I've heard... So I was gonna say everyone I've ever heard say that they've spoken better English than a lot of people I know so like you always see people online like oh uh my english i'm really worried about it's not my my first language and it's just all in perfect english no mistakes whatsoever like what are you worried about stop okay okay i will stop so why did we bring you on the show well you created a service called librarylytics which

i will bring up on the screen right now so if anyone who doesn't actually use library as their just a video platform at all uh library is a basically an alternative video platform to YouTube, and it's a blockchain-based service. And then Librarylytics is, I would say, the best way to think of it would be like the social blade of library. Would that be fair to say? I think it's more like Google Analytics for your website or analytics in YouTube if you created it. So basically how I got to that idea is I had a friend, I still have a friend, and we used to stream some gameplay on one of our channels, but we didn't know which video made which amount of money in library credits.

Because one day he would stream something, another day I would stream something. But library is not good in sharing permissions on the channel. You can't share the channel with someone else to moderate. It's really bad right now. They've asked for it in the past, but it just hasn't happened at this point. And I don't know how difficult it would even be to even do something like that. Well, I think they have that in a protocol. They could do it.

Okay. Like everything else, it's on the way. Yeah, definitely. That's a good way to describe everything with library right now. Yeah, so to continue. So what I did, I knew about librarynomics, but that was just a top-level view of everything. You could just see a channel kind of statistics.

But I wanted something in more detail. And someone on a library posted something about, this is a Python script to get your tips on a channel. Oh, yeah. I do remember that one. Yeah. So that's actually how I discovered that there is something called a chain query. I wasn't aware about that before that post.

And then I just saw it's like you do queries like an ordinary MySQL style. And that's how it all started. And that's it. Yeah. So it's definitely a service that libraries really needed because there obviously is a bit of analytics built onto library. But I think when you started making this, there wasn't any analytics in the library client, was there?

I think this was before that was built in. They had weekly emails that you get from library. But there was nothing in the app. Yeah, but there was nothing at all in the app at that point, was there? No.

I don't think so. But they had like, they could show you you this is your video or your post with most views or something, but nothing in detail. You can't see your performance over day-on-day performance, for example. That's still not possible. Yeah. So, yeah. I don't think there's really been that much of an upgrade to the

library built-in analytics. I think it's still showing top performing video, subscribers for the week, and views for the week, and that might still be it. Maybe it's just your top video of the week or something as well, but it's nothing, it's nothing like what you have over on librarylytics. No. So, yeah. I'm still better. They don't even have things like graphs or anything like that, which they could very easily bring in. So, the thing is, with Librarylytics, I'm still using their own chain query instance.

The public one. Yeah. Which is actually limited. It's limiting me in number of requests or it just throttles everything and that's why it's slow. I'm trying to optimize everything as much as I could. Everything is cached so I'm just getting data which is... I get the latest timestamp of the data that I have and then I just get the new stuff

and then I cache that again so basically I'm just getting always some fresh things that apply for tips for views actually views are live I'm getting the current amount of views but I'm caching every midnight I'm getting the current amount of views

but I'm caching every midnight I'm getting all of the views for every single publish for all of the channels that are actually monitored by Librelytics so at the moment I think it's like 46,000 publishers

that are being monitored for views and they launched Odyssey last evening. They did. I do want to talk about that a bit as well. Yeah. So they are using the same API to get likes and dislikes, that new feature that they introduced.

So those two numbers are coming from the same API where I get the views and the number of subscribers. So they told me on Discord that it's a feature of Odyssey, not library. But it's using the same API. You could just modify the front end of library.tv and put it there, you know? So I'm not sure what's happening there, but I'm pretty sure I can just implement that same thing as it will behave the same as views and just sniff the numbers and store in

Librelytics and you will have a few more charts. So that would be awesome. The way it's working at this point, if I'm understanding correctly with the likes and dislikes is you're saying it's the same API, so they just haven't built the front end for it on the actual library TV website. Yeah. And their API is actually, that's the centralized part of their story. So all these tips are on a blockchain, but everything else is centralized. The views, I'm not sure about subscribers.

For that, I'm not sure. So views, likes, dislikes. Yeah, I'm not actually sure about that one, actually. I think subscribers might be on the blockchain, but don't quote me on that. I'm not sure. But views, likes and dislikes, I'm 99% sure it's a centralized feature. So I think if you're running the library app and you don't opt in for those statistics, I think your numbers will not show in.

So that's it. I know that's definitely true for views. Likes and dislikes are very new, so I don't have any information on those. I haven't spoken to anyone on the team about that, but I would have to assume that they are probably in the same boat. I can't even speak English now. Yeah. So I basically like what they did with likes and dislikes,

flame and slime, how they call it, which is bringing something unique to that platform. But under the hood, this is still library. So all of your videos, all of your channels, everything is there. library, so all of your videos, all of your channels, everything is there. So I don't see a problem in putting likes and dislikes numbers in Librilytics. So maybe I should put a little tag saying that these are your numbers from odyssey.com. And then, you know. Yeah, I think that would be a good idea, especially...

I'm not sure what's happening with library tv at this point i was supposed to be in a um a discussion the other day with um why am i blanking on his name the head of promotion um julian julian chandra i was supposed to be with him the other day but i had to pull out of that because i had some family stuff come out um and he was going to be talking about why odyssey even exists in the first place so i have to see if they've got a recording of that and i know they were gonna like the library nomics guys were gonna put it up as like a library nomics podcast but i don't know if they ended up getting a recording um but i do know the odyssey was basically created because the library name has a lot of SEO

problems. It's a very difficult term to search for because it will very frequently try to autocorrect you to things like just library or just there's other sorts of slight things that have a very close to LBY as well. Yeah, I noticed that too, because when you try to Google for librarylytics, it will not show up. If you type in library and then space analytics, it will bring up many results like library analytics for actual libraries, the physical.

That's it. Yeah, it's not a great SEO term. Now, Odyssey, on the other hand, it's a bit better, because I'm pretty sure it refers to, like, some Greek dude, so I think we're fine on that side. Let's bring up Odyssey. Oh, yeah, okay. Yeah, I knew it was some Greek thing, but I had no idea what it was. It was Iliad and the Odyssey. Let's see what this says. The Odyssey is one of the two major ancient Greek epic poems attributed to Homer.

It is one of the oldest extant works of literature still read by contemporary audiences. Cool. Okay. Anyway. They actually made the phrase that in primary school. I don't recall anything from primary school. I think I've read like the Goosebumps books or something. That's all I can recall.

But I do really like the new Odyssey interface. It definitely is much better than what we had on LibraryTV. It is, but if you look at that, it's almost the same. It's just details that made it... You can actually see how little library.tv needed to actually become something.

I've said this to... I think I was saying it in the Librarynomics Discord. Library has finally hit the point where it is the absolute baseline for what a video platform in 2020 actually needs. Like we have likes and dislikes. We have comments and replies. We have notifications. We're actually at the minimum baseline now.

We can actually start, you know, maybe attract people to join the platform. Maybe live streaming and ads. That's controversial. Yeah, ads... I've talked in support of them in the past, but I can see why some people would be against them. I just want to see this platform have a... a scalable monetization system

that can actually exist into the future. Yeah, but look at this. Last evening, we had a discussion on general channel on Discord about ads. So not everyone was agreeing on anything, but we came to the conclusion that how it should work. So basically you as an advertiser, you want your ad to be seen. advertiser, you want your ad to be seen, you will put, for example, 10 LBC price on your video to be shown up by someone on their content. So as a creator, you opt in for ads, you say, I want ads on this video. Okay. You will get seven, for example, seven LBC per view. And the viewer should

get like three LBC. So everyone wins. So it keeps up the distribution of LBC amongst the community like we already have now. Exactly. The advertiser would need to go and buy some LBC to advertise. The other thing is

this actually allows you as a consumer, as an end user, as a viewer, to go and have an option to disable ads. You don't need ad blockers. You can just disable ads. But why would you do it if you are paid 3 LBC out of 10 to view the ad?

And if you know that 100% is going to the creator, why not? There is no middleman. Yeah. I think that's definitely an interesting approach for sure. Because the big problem Library has

right now is they can talk all about being decentralized as much as they want, but there is still a lot of centralization in the current setup because the entirety of the monetization comes from Library the company. Obviously, you have some people sharing LBC around, but I've noticed that ever since the amount coming from Library

has actually been coming down, there has been significantly less actually being passed around between the community. I've been keeping track of the numbers I've been getting every month and they've been slowly dwindling but my views have been saying about the same so that's not everyone is the address yeah no not everyone is willing to spend their harder and tips yeah that that, you know. Yeah, for sure. But that's what will be fixed with advertisements, actually.

Yeah. Because the advertisers would go to the exchange and buy actual LBC. It's not from the company. It's just, yeah. And then we could expect skyrocketing in the price. I would definitely like skyrocketing, for sure. Because would definitely like skyrocketing for sure.

Because LBC is not faring super well right now. Yeah, I'm still... I wouldn't say I'm hodling LBC. But I'm not spending. I just got what I got initially. And I'm still sitting with that. I'm earning tips and stuff. Rotating my supports as everyone does here

to book their videos and content. But I'm still not selling anything. No. Yeah, I'm in the same boat. I did make a tip recently to Librarylytics. You might have seen

that come in. Yeah, yeah. I think you're speaking on my main channel it might have been the main channel I don't know, it was like a thousand or so yeah, that was you I guess that thank you

no worries and what was I going to say right, I'm still holding on at this point I would say 90% of the LBC I have, I got for free. So no matter what the price actually is, I'm in the green. So I'm kind of just watching it to see where it goes. I either make a couple thousand dollars or I make a couple hundred thousand dollars. Like, I don't really care at this point.

a couple hundred thousand dollars. Like, I don't really care at this point. Yeah, yeah. I think I did the same. I did the same thing when I actually started with crypto and everything. I didn't have anything. I started, like, with 100 euros, like, 150 Australian dollars.

Yeah. And then traded on one platform. And what they did, they introduced some tokens that you get as a reward for trading and also had a came up with the system uh in back in that was in the time of uh the huge bull run to 20k so what i did i i traded the uh bit on bitcoin so binary options trading, but I used Bitcoin as an indicator of the next move of Litecoin. So if I saw Bitcoin jump like five times in a row on a chart, like $100, $100, $100, I I would immediately put a buy because on

sorry I would immediately put a buy on a Litecoin because it was like delayed 5 or 10 seconds behind Bitcoin and I didn't lose a thing I made some money there I went like crazy like 25x

on this thing yeah that's a that's a bit more impressive I went like crazy, like 25x on this thing. Jesus! Yeah, that's a bit more impressive. I was all green. A bit more impressive than my trading experience has been. I like staking coins because I am terrible at reading the market. I'll just buy, I'll stake it, and I'll leave it. That's all. Yeah, but I just noticed that this Litecoin was following Bitcoin,

and there is a delay between them. And I used that. So I didn't have much money to start with, but I made some decent amount. But what happened, I earned a lot of tokens that they introduced as a reward for trading. And then I just sold that for some Ethereum or something and immediately I was like I had like two bitcoins worth of everything I was like okay where did this come from I don't know so how long you actually been sorry but since then it just stopped and I don't know all the time I fell into some hot potato action and I lost a lot of things.

So it sounds like you've been around in the crypto sphere for at least a couple of years then. How long would you say you've actually been interested in it? Well a little bit before that bull run maybe. What was it 2018? Maybe spring 2018. Okay. Yeah. Because I've had like an eye on it for a long time. Like I knew about Bitcoin back when I was in high school.

For some reason I refused to know about it i was like a part of the the nerdy group so i kind of had to know about it and then i always saw it i was like oh this is dumb it it crashes and then a couple weeks later like oh and then i forget about it for a while i should have put money on it and i watch it just crash into the ground again who Whoop! I could have bought Bitcoin back when it was like I don't know, 5000 or something. And here we are now.

Oh yeah. But hey, hopefully one day LBC can be at least 50 cents and then maybe I can be on that side again. That'd be nice. Yeah. Buy some more pizza. Just kidding. Yeah, maybe that

1,000 tip I gave you will be worth a little bit more one day. Yeah. Imagine that. One day I will celebrate you. You're like, this guy made me rich. Just kidding. To be fair, I've got plenty to go around. One day I will celebrate you.

This guy made me rich. Just kidding. To be fair, I've got plenty to go around. I was one of the creators who got one of those LBC sticks a few months back. I did too. Okay, yeah. And for a totally unrelated channel, actually. They refer to me not as Aloy's channel, but as Clash of Beards channel, actually. They refer to me not as Ali's channel, but as

Clash of Beards channel, which is the gaming channel that I use with my friends. Yeah, I have seen that channel. Yeah, I didn't even realize that was your other channel. Yeah. But you can actually know everything about everyone there, because it's all on a blockchain. If you want to dig, you

will find it. Let's see if we can... Is the live research engine going to work today? Let's see if we can... Is the library search engine going to work today? Let's see if we can find it. Clash of Beards. Hey, look, it works now. That's impressive. Yeah, it's usually my friend playing Tekken.

So, yeah. But we didn't play anything in a long time. I can't wait till I have time to play games again. That'll be nice. Me too, me too. I made a collection. I have every single PlayStation here one two three and four and Not playing anything

Sadly, I got rid of my old consoles now. I just have my ps4 sitting in this drawer right here off to the side Yeah, no time. No time That's why I want to start game streaming so then I can say to myself I'm not wasting time. I'm actually building up a streaming side of my media career. Yeah, I actually don't consider playing games a waste of time because if you like playing games, that's actually, it could boost your creativity, your happiness, it's not a wasted time, you know. So you need to do in your life what you like to do. Sure, yeah.

That's the point. We simply don't, I can see you have the same problem as I do, we don't have time. Time is like... Yeah, my problem right now is I'm doing full-time uni, I'm working on the channel, which is seven videos a week plus this so I would say like 30 hours or so a week on that plus I'm working 20 hours a week in my job so it would probably be fair to say that I'm working like 70 or 80 hour week so I'm not exactly uh I don't have much time to add another hobby onto that but the YouTube channel was enough of a hobby for me right now

once that uni stuffs out of the way then we can decide what I want to do with that extra time. Dude, I think sleeping is overrated. You don't need to sleep. No, I get eight hours of sleep every night. Sleep is very important. Yeah, it is. Okay, so back to the library. I wanted to say something about having all those LBC.

It's not much. It's like I'm not hiding. It having all those LBC. It's not much. It's like I'm not hiding. It's like 100,000. You could see that in my screenshots or videos or whatever. 100,000. I'm actually doubting. Should I sell some of that or convert to Bitcoin and buy some better hosting? It's really expensive.

That's the thing. I want a server to be able to run a chain query on my own or a new library SDK to boost things up, to make this more stable and faster. So, yeah, that's what I wanted to say about this. How much are you paying for hosting now and how much extra would it be to do what you want to say about this. How much are you paying for hosting now? And how much extra would it be to do what you want to do?

Okay, I will let you guess. Oh, I have no idea. The only hosting I've seen is like blog hosting and that's dirt cheap. I'm sure you're paying way more than that. No, I'm... Okay, so I'm paying 150 euros per year, and this is a shared hosting with 10 of my other websites. Ah, okay, yeah. That's why I tried so hard to optimize everything so badly.

And actually, this works right now with 200 users on a shared hosting. Okay. I think it's good. Yeah. So, yeah. But there is a problem. I have a limit on my database size to one gig. Right now I'm at 42 megabytes with all of the data for all of the channels there. So what I did, I have some primary key in a table, but then I store everything as a gzipped blob. So it reduced the space usage in like five times. So I was pretty happy with that. But still, if I need some data... Oh, can you go to librarylytics.com

slash top dash channels? Librarylytics.com slash top dash channels. Slash librarylytics.com slash top dash channels. That's not linked anywhere yet. Okay, we'll wait for it to load. There we go, cool. I'm going to chalk that up to me being in Australia. That could also be slowing you down as well. Maybe.

I don't know. Anyway, yes. Why I'm bringing this up. For example, I have this table with subscriber counts. And as I said, everything is compressed in blobs. But for this feature to work, which I will soon link to the main menu, I needed to have another field in a database to actually have an uncompressed number of the latest number that I have for each channel. So that will actually increase the size of the database table and everything. So I'm always

constantly fighting with performance space issues and everything. So it's pretty interesting. And it's actually good. I'm improving my skills by solving these kind of problems. This actually... well... there's... what do you plan to actually do with this side? Because right now it's not really serving much of a purpose besides, or outside of what Libraronomics already does anyway. I know, I know. It's not Libraronomics. What this will do, this is a top list, but

Libraronomics takes all of the channels that exist on the blockchain. I don't know how they collect their data. I guess it's they just scan everything, but my approach was to actually, maybe you saw that from the beginning, to kind of crowdsource everything. So basically, if you as a user add a new channel on Librelytics, it will appear on this list.

Because it will start being monitored for subscribers and views and whatever. So what I plan with it, many people requested the registration free access. Can you see, you know, you go to this list and you go to charts and you will see everything as if you are logged in. So I've already logged in anyway. How do I log out that one?

You want a second? That's not finished, but there will be a way for you to go to that list and then you will be able to say aha this channel let's see their publishes and starts and everything so you don't need

and that will actually bring more users because many users don't like the idea of registration there we go now I'm not logged in so I can still see this yeah that would actually be useful because otherwise I wasn't really sure for registration. Yeah there we go now I'm not logged in so I can still see this. Cool. Yeah. Yeah that would actually be useful because otherwise I wasn't really sure what this was actually doing but yeah having that as a way to access channels would be useful.

Yeah publicly yeah. I presume at some point you want to have it so you can access just any channel like this. But I can see how that would be a bit expensive at some point. Yeah. Yes. Because remember, I'm not funded by anyone. I got tips from you, from library team. They actually sent me something. But that's still like, I'm still not a company. I'm no one. This is just my

hobby project, if you will. Yeah. You're one of many hobby projects. Yeah, maybe you visited my website. You saw what I did. I did see that, yes. Yeah. What else? What else? Oh, I don't know. Well, okay. There's one thing slightly annoying about library, and I'm sure this is going to be annoying on this website as well. I don't know what the...

Okay. For thumbnail... So channel profile pictures and channel backgrounds, they can both be animated. And I don't know what the maximum size for that is, but I know you can have some really, really large animated GIFs, which I can see being a problem. But maybe you'll notice they implemented some front-end library to actually show animations as a static image.

And then when you hover it, it renders the same thing on a canvas or something, if I saw correctly. So I don't know. Yeah, which brings me back to Odyssey. What happened on Odyssey, they put a background color on the image element, which is your profile picture on the channel. And if you saw Librelytics page on library.tv, I actually did a semi-transparent GIF, and I kind of combined that with a cover image, and it looks nice and everything.

And now on Odyssey, they have a background color, so my transparency serves nothing. And I told them immediately, please remove this background color. Because some people use that as a feature. It's not a bug, it's a feature. There's some things

I'm not a big fan of about Odyssey right now. The column on the left side, they seem sort of arbitrary, the columns they have there. Like the enlightenment column and the gaming and lab and things like that. Yeah, especially the enlightenment column. If you go there, can you find anything enlightening? Okay, let's see what we have my relativism is the most dangerous superstition and it's a pig with dude

eating a piece of raw meat yeah lady gaga blah blah blah deadgy is pathetic okay sure I can get behind that there's a trailer for a random movie Yoda watches Trump finally and TikTok forever what What am I

reading here? I'm telling you. That should go to the rabbit hole. Here we go. Here's a good one. Waifu Adventures Season 3 Episode 5 Making a Fake ID for Megarin. What? Yeah.

Some of these make sense. The gaming and things like that, there's nothing wrong with that. But what is this in life? I think I know what the problem is. They made those categories based on tags. Each category published with certain tags. But the problem is they limited you to put only five tags on an upload

because many people were abusing that. But you can still abuse it if you put one tag, if you allow one single tag to be on something, they will still abuse that. They will just put the category

they want this to appear in. Even after they did fix that, there were still people being like, okay, here's my Bitcoin scam bitcoin scam i'm gonna tag it as automobile gaming i don't know exactly makeup or actually i don't think there's any makeup content on library anyway whatever the popular tags on library actually are right now just tag this library there you go yeah but yeah looking at the website

we mentioned it before but there wasn't really anything super major that's actually been done to Odyssey like it's a better interface but they're all very very tiny changes like making better use of the interface space

or adding the notifications, other things. Actually, I remember now. Yes. I remember now. So notifications. I have notifications on Library TV for a month now because I was in testing. How well do they work?

Because I use the desktop app and I haven't tested them yet. It worked pretty fine. Okay, cool. It's okay. It's better right now. It looks nicer on Odyssey, but I think they polished that first on library.tv. So if another thing, I think they did this for marketing purposes. If you look at Odyssey and you go to home page, you will see the videos occupy entire space of the screen. Let's see if I can do this without breaking everything. I've just got my thing in half the screen right now.

I don't know what people are seeing when they look at this. Yeah, but you're seeing more content. Yeah, you're seeing more content. Yeah. So that feature, that fix, that pull request was on library.tv like two weeks ago. And they actually merged that and put on library.tv. Yeah. It was live for maybe a day and they put it down.

Because I guess, this is just my guess, Someone in the background, marketing guy, said, no, let's keep this cool feature for Odyssey to stand out. You know what I mean. Maybe I'll have to bring on Julian and ask him if he was the one who was behind that. I'm pretty sure. There is no way. Because I saw that live and they put it down. They reverted that

change from live with the tv and hoping no one knows conspiracy theories yeah it's not too outrageous to be honest like i could see that definitely happening because otherwise it's it's gonna be hard enough okay it's hard enough to get what like people to join one extra other platform then getting people to move somewhere else even if it's the exact same platform there's gonna be definitely some what's the best way to describe it some some teething problems there I guess hmm like it's already hard enough to convince people to actually use library, and now that, I guess, we're, it's still going to be library, we're calling it something else, all that existing marketing material we have now sort of just goes out the window.

Like library TV is still around, but... Yeah, I understand that Odyssey is just another front-end for Libre.TV. And I'm more than happy to have my content automatically appear on that another fork, or call it whatever you wish. But one thing I don't agree with is, because I use my email to log into Libre.TV, because I use my email to log into library.tv, how dare you put me on odyssey.com to be able to log into another domain with my same email and password?

They never asked me to do that, you know? Yeah, this is... Well, that just shows how little difference it actually is. Odyssey is just a different set of HTML. That's all it is. Yeah, exactly. So if they say to me that they can't display i guess they added some extra api stuff and then didn't implement it on the main site but it odyssey itself is still just a different front end yeah the main site is using

the same api so the main site only misses the the front end for likes and dislikes. API is there. They can just put it there. But no, we will put that in the next few weeks. I understand that from a marketing point of view. You want to push Odyssey with new features and stuff. Okay. So be it. I think in the long run, this will be an improvement, it's just going to be a bit of a weird, I guess it will be less weird when there is a third party running an interface that's the big problem we have right now

right now we have Library TV and Odyssey both run by Library Inc so they're both, it's still a centralized solution, but when you look at say Hive for example you have hive blog you have peak D. You have three speak you have Other things that I'm forgetting about because I don't care

All of these still in they all interact with hive, but they're all managed by separate groups I think so ultimately that's going to be the best... I was going to say, I think ultimately that'll be the best place for library to get to, but right now it's a little bit weird. Yeah, yeah. It is. I suggested last evening

to them, like, what's next? Captainslog.com. So it only pulls MD posts from library. You can only read. But that's the thing, if some third party wanted to do that, I think that would actually be really cool. But having library do these extra things, I get that they're trying to push the community to take up these projects, but I think the best solution for now would be

make one entry point really good so that people start seeing this as a good video platform and then once that happens, then you can actually start building up these separate things. I don't know about Odyssey, but I presume the like with Library TV, the source code is still open. Is that, have you seen it? Is that correct or not?

I didn't check. Okay. Because if it's not, that kind of goes completely against the idea of making it easy for these separate interfaces to exist, because if they like, it would be very, like if they just made it open source, then anyone who has

that bit of money they could go and start up a server and then make I don't know Odyssey dot blog or whatever and I don't know if it's open or not but I hope it is I actually had an idea to create a crowdfunding campaign website based on library. But the thing is, you can't guarantee that if I, for example, put my library credits on some project, there is no way they can guarantee that they will actually do that project. How does that work? I don't know.

We haven't a guarantee with Indiegogo anyway. Yeah, yeah. So when you say that, it means that we could do it on library, using library protocol. Surely could. It couldn't be any worse than what already exists.

And considering some of the sort of sketchy things that have popped up on library already, I'm sure it will fit right in. Do you remember a few months back when there were people saying, pay me X amount of LBC and I'll give you a support for X amount of time?

Yeah. Isn't that the whale bot right now? It's whale bot now, but there was a thing in the past where it was just some random channel. It was just like, tip me a thousand LBC and I will support you ten thousand for twenty-four hours or whatever. Which wasn't a good deal whatsoever, no one would ever make money back from that. But whalebot actually is a really interesting project. If anyone who doesn't use library doesn't know what that is, the Whalebot is basically going to be the death of library. So basically what it is is a bot that goes around

and basically boosts up other content. Now, this is the reason why Steam is such a mess. So if you go look up Steam bots, Steam the video platform not steam the gaming one uh terrible naming i don't know how they managed to think that was a good idea um but there's a list of all of these bots you can just donate to and they'll just boost up your content which is kind of how that platform basically actually survives um That's why Odyssey, actually, Library, not only Odyssey, because it's Library API.

They have likes and dislikes now. You can actually use that to filter out the good and the bad. Do they do anything at this point, or are they just aesthetic? You don't know at this point? It's not aesthetic because it's stored somewhere. Because you have an API endpoint to get those numbers. Which means that those numbers are connected to some claim ID. Okay.

Better question. Do they affect the algorithm is the better question. I don't know. I don't think they have the time to implement that. This is only what I think. I don't know. Yeah, I haven't spoken to anyone just yet either. Yeah, but if this was my baby,

if I did that in-house, I would use those numbers to actually fine-tune the recommendation engine or whatever. I do think it's going to be important because one of the problems Libu has right now is it's very much in favour of the whales and I

abuse this myself. People who have a lot of LBC will be at the top. Yeah, you're going to because you have the LBC. People who have a lot of LBC are going to always be at the top and it doesn't even matter how big their channel is. I can start up a new channel tomorrow, put 200,000

on the first video that comes out on that channel be at the top of trending exactly and that's what all of us are doing i could literally upload a video of paint drying and i could get it to the top of trending yeah and by the way get some LBC as tip yeah for what I think that's what we all do

there's also a slight problem with the way that actually works as well when a verified viewer actually watches a video the second they click play it actually makes that tip there's no reason why on say like library TV or Odyssey viewer actually watches a video, the second they click play, it actually makes that tip. There's no reason why on say like library TV or Odyssey they couldn't have like a slight delay so you can actually see like a little bit of the video because there are people who are

trying to basically, you know, scam bait people with clickbait thumbnails. This is not the case. So that's why I actually wanted to create tips per view method, like a ratio on Librelytics. That will come soon. I promise. I just don't have time. But I noticed that the number of views does not compare to number of tips, basically.

So you're not getting tips automatically for every view. No, it's not every single view, but it's when a channel that is verified watches the channel. As soon as they click play, that automatically does a view tip. Yeah, or is it waiting for a few seconds for you to actually watch something? I don't think it is, because there would be no way to check that on, like, a third-party entry point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting.

But I don't... Yeah, this is the other podcast of We Have No Idea What We're Talking About. We're just sort of guessing by what we see. I'm pretty sure that's how it works, but I could be entirely mistaken. Yeah, I always say I'm just guessing. Everything is just a guess. At least it's a better educated guess than YouTube. At least you can

see if you want to put in the effort what's actually happening. YouTube least it's a better educated guess than youtube at least you can you can see if you want to put in the effort what's actually happening youtube it's like here's this black box throw input in it see what comes out exactly yeah that's it that's it and sometimes you do the exact same thing and you get two completely different outputs and you're like okay i don't even know where like what i've done wrong here yeah did you notice on youtube for example in last few months occasionally you would get some totally random video with some from some totally random channel with no subscribers yeah recently there's a uh actually i got some philippines uh children making houses out of mud houses or something. All right, sure. It's really high-level production.

You can see it's a good camera, good setting. Everything is perfect. But for some reason, no subscribers, nothing. They just started. And YouTube is boosting them. So are they in some kind of deal with YouTube? Something weird like that happened recently. It's it's not a completely unknown channel This channel had like nine and a half thousand so still very small on YouTube

But at least more than a couple hundred like I've seen in some other instances But this channel had like 9k subs and then all of a sudden i just got my entire home page was just full of their videos i'm like what happened here they were good videos that's the thing but i don't know what what youtube's doing behind the scenes what data they're scraping from my phone and all the other things that are google in my life um i think it's the same as facebook and everything else these days they just decide for you what they decide what you should see you're not the one in control before you you could follow someone and it will show up but now they will decide even if you follow them no we will show up this person more often than this one for some reason.

Well, you always hear the stories of people saying, oh, I talked about wanting to buy a laptop near my phone, and then all of a sudden I started getting ads for buying a laptop. Not sure about that, but what happened to me, I was talking with my friend about, I don't know, he wanted some piece of furniture for his house. We only talked about that. I never Googled about that. Nothing.

So I'm pretty sure some application did have access to my microphone. Yeah. So I'm 100% on that. It's entirely possible. I saw the ad for the same thing. I saw the ad. So how the hell did you know? I never Googled that.

Sounds like the car has a problem. He went out to the terrace and now he's stuck. It's fine. Or maybe he's talking to others downstairs. I don't know, what's happened to your camera? Oh, there we go, now we're back. Who, me? Yeah, your camera went super blurry for a second. It wasn't an artifacting problem, so I guess it must have lost focus or something.

No, I'm moving too fast. Talking waves you faster to keep the autofocus on you. There's, um, before we go off the, like, too far off the topic, there was one thing that I don't, I get why it's on Odyssey, but right on the top of the homepage there's the don there was one thing that i don't i get why it's on odyssey but right on the top of

the home page there's the don't be evil thing like it looks so out of place on the website like i get what you're doing but my eyes too yeah i don't like it if they want to keep it then my suggestion would be like put it down the bottom put it in like a little a little place where you normally have like a copyright section down the bottom of your page no it looks like super mario or something they should call it not odyssey it's yoshi's island i'm sure nintendo would be real happy about that one call it like yoshi's island or something just stick an eye in there that's fine that's how that works but i i really hope they don't keep this here it like the rest of the page looks great i like the color scheme but this don't be evil it's it's it's only funny for

so long before it starts being a big eyesore yeah maybe there should be an option to close that yeah i saw this. Yeah, just remember that in a cookie. I don't know if you tried out Odyssey when it was still behind the password wall, but they had a thing where you could give some feedback. And the first thing I wrote in my feedback was, can you just get rid of this? Just don't.

Yeah. It doesn't serve its purpose. I mean, it's cheesy. Or stick to them like the FAQ or something. Like, that's where you put funny things like that. Yeah. I'm trying to think what else to say about librarylytics. I'm trying to think what else to say about librarylytics.

When you look at it, it's not that big of a platform. It's small, but... What, librarylytics? Yeah, yeah. It's really basic. It's something that we seriously did need with the library, especially with the lack of analytics that existed, especially at the time, but even now that exists just within library itself.

So I do hope that you have time to work on it and you can hopefully at some point afford to upgrade the servers and actually do something more impressive with it rather than just relying on this shared hosting. What I actually did here, i did it really fast like in in a month and then after that i rolled out some updates but it was not something like tangible visible yeah it was all under the hood to optimize things so that that's why people may think i don't do anything but yeah that's what i know is because

you did a couple of videos right at the start and then since then you haven't really done anything on it but i did look through the changelog you had and it was just like all of this under the hood stuff and there's not really any way to show that to people it's like oh i i started caching stuff like yeah you could talk about that but that's not that would make an interesting promotional piece i guess people actually don't care about that they just want some analytics platform they don't care yeah but i i like to keep everything on the website like in a written form so it's just transparent and available to everyone and for me just to as a reminder what i did or yeah the home page, if you go to about page. Yeah, you complained about capitalization.

Yeah. In your vlog. Yeah, the capitalization is... I can see you through some of these pages together pretty quickly. So basically, this page doesn't have any purpose except for me to have a reminder of what I want to do because I forget things. Well, there's the capitalization on the home page as well. Okay.

It's not a major thing, it's just something I spotted. I was just like, okay. I know. I know. But... I know, it's the same thing as if I spotted the don't be mean thing on the Odyssey. It's just something you spot. To be fair, at least I haven't found any spelling mistakes yet.

Oh, really? Nice. I haven't looked super hard for them, but there very well could be some. Yeah. Yeah, so one thing I wanted to touch on. I never wanted to put any ads on

Librelytics, but you may notice that there is an ad in the left side. Because I'm trying to get something from this because I offer this for free. I want to rely only on coffees or whatever. I'm not asking get something from this because I offer this for free. I want to rely only on coffees or whatever. I'm not asking for any donations, but it's simply

You can't run this for free. That's the thing. But I'm not actually earning anything from that ad. Yeah, you're saying there's an ad there, but I run Brave. Yeah, I maybe just removed that. I don't know. Well, no, I run Brave, so I don't see it in the first place. But I'm actually drowning in coffees, and Dave from EAV blog got me 10 coffees. Wow, okay.

Yeah, Dave is awesome. I've been watching him for years. The awesome thing is I was watching his blog for, I don't know, five years on YouTube. And he's that person, Dave, is responsible for me discovering library. That's how I discovered library and came here and everything. I was going to ask you how you actually found it, but lucky you took us there anyway. That's how I did it.

On EVBlog. And I was so happy because, you know, when you watch someone with almost a million subscribers on YouTube for ages, and then he buys you a coffee for something you did, it's just, okay. That is pretty awesome Yeah, I was so So surprised and honored basically, yeah

I do I think I initially did hear about live. Well, I initially heard about library from some of the The library nomics guys, and back then they were library social. But I do remember seeing that video from EEVblog. I think that was one of the reasons why I initially ended up deciding to come over because he had talked about, like, other platforms he was uploading content to because I didn't know he existed outside of YouTube.

Yeah. Then I saw he was on the platform, and it sort of got me looking at who was also on the platform, and I saw, oh i saw he was on the platform and it sort of got me looking at who was also on the platform and i saw oh tim paul's on the platform oh three blue one brown is on the platform and uh raka raka ali and a bunch of other channels i was like yeah how if i like why have none of these people talked about this platform yet? I don't know. But basically I miss only one creator from YouTube to come to the library so I can completely avoid YouTube in the future. I don't need YouTube at all. I would definitely like to have that happen, but I watch a lot of stuff that's only on YouTube, so I can't really leave it right now.

Maybe one day when Library gets big enough, they'll eventually come over, but at least a good chunk of it is. Like all the political stuff I've watched, that's already on Library now. And all of the Linux channels are on Library. I think there's like one linux channel that is isn't even on library at this point

oh how do you mean lit external uh linux oh linux yeah yeah yeah yeah i think hmm i was there was a guy who used to be over here who left um what was his name? Hmm. That was a guy who used to be over here who left... What was his name? I follow you, the Linux gamer. Who else? I forgot. I can't remember right now, but a few.

I... I like to watch stuff where I can sort of just listen to it in the background. Um... There's's most of the time unless i'm like eating something i don't really have i don't feel like i'm actually using my time productively if i'm just sitting there and watching something so if it's something i can just put on the background as this you know background noise that's something i can actually typically enjoy so i don't usually watch the same sort of content i make where it's very

i guess it's very visual the sort of stuff i do that's not i i can't really watch that right now that also depends on on the person from person to person because uh if i want to to listen to something and want to focus on what I'm actually listening to to understand what I'm listening, I can't do anything else. I can't do two things at the same time. That's the problem. But if you can do something else

and listen to something, good for you. It's nice. Yeah. Well, there are times when I do have to, you know, turn off the background noise when I'm trying to do some

like hardcore programming stuff but most of the time when it's just nothing super serious i do like to have a bit of background noise i just put some i don't know music without any words yeah that's something that's typically how i deal with it when i'm trying to read research papers and stuff. If there's lyrics, I end up focusing on the lyrics and take way longer to read and don't really focus on what I'm trying to read either and then I have to go back over it and it takes even longer to read.

Yeah, you just put some... I don't know what you're listening to. I listen to basically everything, but when I'm programming, I usually have some non-vocal trance mix or something. Yeah, I usually bring up... You can search for Sima Deep on YouTube, maybe.

That's good. Or Frisky Radio. Go to Frisky Radio. Frisky Radio. Yeah. Or search for this guy on YouTube. Yeah, YouTube. I'm not going to click on it just in case YouTube is not happy with me

clicking on this, but I will check that out afterwards yeah typically and facecradio.com, it's a website they have a good idea typically I'll bring up one of the 24-7 lo-fi channels

and just play something on there. One of the, like, this is music for studying and relaxing and things like that. And then you look at the comments on them, and it's just absolute nonsense. It's just like, oh, you have one person every couple of minutes or so who are like, hey, is anyone studying right now? And the rest of the comments are like some political debate

or some other nonsense, and it's just no one's actually doing any work. We are not studying. We are just listening to this. We are replying to your comments. We are not studying. Not even remotely studying. Yeah. So how did

you actually get yourself into programming in the first place? Because I know how I got myself into it, but everyone's got their own sort of story. Well, I guess it was in primary school. So, in Serbia, we have

like eight years of primary school, and on the last year, you do some kind of a small project and get graded for that. So I took informatics for that and basically what I did, I had my first computer back then, it was like 2000, no, 1998. 2000 no 98 1998 uh and i started playing around with uh i don't know spreadsheets uh oh my brain stopped spreadsheets are the most fun i'm sure as a kid you'd love playing with spreadsheets i mean yeah the office. Office. Thank you. But then I discovered something called Visual Basic. And then experimenting and stuff.

So basically, what I did back then, it looked so cool. I could drag and drop elements to some forms, create windows. But I didn't have a clue about coding, that I need to code something. It just looked nice, but it didn't do anything. But then I discovered how to control simple things with the code and I created like an interactive photo album like anniversary photo album for my school and that was my project. That's how it started. And then I went to the high school, and after that I went to university. But I never finished university. I started working night shifts, so maybe you will find yourself in this.

So don't do night shifts. Okay, how night are they? Like, overnights, or...? Well, I worked for, like, three times a week. One night shift, and then two days after that you need to wake up at 7am. And the other day you work from 3pm to the midnight or something. Okay, yeah.

And while you're young, you can actually stand that. But after, like, when you turn 30, this will actually become a problem. So... I basically didn't finish the uni, but not because of that job. I didn't finish because I had a database... I couldn't actually

get a good grade on database projects. On database... How do you call this? On database class. Yeah, okay. Class? Yeah, class. So I was following that exam for 10 times. And then I... on the 11th time I decided to come to the professor and see after the exam what the hell, why am I always failing this because I know this stuff, I'm doing this for a living, you know? And then what he told me, yeah, this, what you do is good, but at this uni we are actually working with MySQL from 1990. And that's why your code is not good. Okay.

And I just decided to quit. I decided not to be the cogwheel in the machine. You know what I mean? Yeah. And what year was this? What year was this where you were supposed to be working with MySQL from 1990? 2005. Yeah, I think the university is the one with the problem here.

I think quitting was probably a good idea if that's the education you were getting. It is because I spent a lot of money... It's... Not money, also the time. It's wasted time, wasted... I don't know. Money comes and goes, but time doesn't. You can't bring it back.

So, yeah. That's a good decision, because in those night shifts, I actually baked my knowledge about programming even more. Because what they were teaching us was not PHP or whatever it's used today. We were learning Pascal and... Okay, there was C, C++, Java, but I wanted to know PHP, JavaScript, those kind of things. I learned that all on my own.

Yeah. What Uni taught me is actually how to program, not the way of thinking about things, but not the actual work that I do. Yeah, not the how to approach programming, not just here is the Java syntax, here is the C syntax, things like that. Like picking up the syntax is very, very simple. Once you've learned one language, learning a new one is pretty easy.

It's just understanding the constructs. Yeah, I don't even say I'm a PHP programmer. I'm just all around because I can take whatever I need to get my stuff done. If I find, for example, you saw that I did many Arduino projects and NodeMCU projects. It was just a tool. You get the Arduino ID. It looks like C, like stripped down C, C++.

You can just do it. It's not a problem. Let's see if we can find it. I wrote some scripts in Python for Raspberry Pi, for example. So it's not... You don't need to rely on a language as a language. It's irrelevant. The good programmer, in my opinion, is a person who knows how to find a solution to a problem,

regardless of what the language is or whatever. You need to know what to search for to find a solution to the problem. Obviously, in the end, it does definitely help to have that syntax knowledge. But once you've done the hard part, which is actually learning how to think as a programmer, learning that syntax isn't really that difficult. Obviously, some languages are further away from others than some others. Like if you are only, say, a Haskell programmer, teaching someone who only knows Haskell to do C, for example, that's kind of a big leap, but you still

understand a lot of the basic programming constructs, and it's not as difficult as saying, okay, here's someone who's never programmed before, I'm going to teach them PHP. That's a much harder thing to actually do. Yeah. Yeah. That's it.

So, you just need to start thinking about... It's all about algorithms. It's not about the actual language. Yeah. I've got your tiny game corner thing on the screen right now. That's my tiny console. tiny game corner thing on the screen right now. That's my tiny console with Arduino. It's pretty neat.

I had several iterations of that thing. First, it was just a Tamagotchi clone with three buttons, and that's it. And I made my own Tamagotchi. I programmed that. It's called Tamagotchi. maybe you saw the GitHub website for that.

I don't think I came across that one, but I'll see if I can find it. Just Google for Tamaguinu, you'll see. So basically, what happened there? Tamaguinu grown up to be a game, because I created some other game after that. So I added a few more buttons to that project. And then it became a kernel. But I exposed some headers to be able to program the chip on that. And then what finally happened with Tiny Game Corner,

that's name is so bad. That's because of the website the actual project doesn't have a name the website is tiny game corner calm aha and that's the name yeah the the that as a name for the website is pretty good but for the project is not I still don't care actually the name for the part so what happened finally I decided not to put to solder the chip on the board, but to actually take the entire brains, which is that single chip, and make it as a cartel. So you can swap around your games, you can program the game onto the chip and then swap it around. Which you can see, actually, in that video. I think I actually closed it. We'll bring up the video again, actually.

Can we get back to it? There we go. I will try to mute it as soon as it starts playing, because that intro is going to be quite loud. There we go. Okay. Yeah, intro was made in Panzoid. It's really good.

Online tool for animation. Yeah, I used to have an intro and then people complained the intro was too long and I was like, okay, I guess I get rid of it. I kept the outro around because I don't know, I like my cheesy outro. It's nice to have there. If you just skip almost all the way to the end. You will see I built like two of these and then you can... skip to the part where I assembled it and it started working. You're assembling it right now at around 11 minutes. Here we go. You've got everything put together. You've got your Tamagwino pack you're putting into it. Yeah, later I actually ported, not ported, but made Tamagwino work on this one too.

So it worked on its own original like three button thing. And now it's working on this. This is actually really cool. What, the maze game? Oh, no, just this entire project. The maze game is actually cool. I see the maze game now. I made a game that actually

creates a maze. It's actually called a maze. It's actually called a maze. It's amazing because it always gives you another maze to solve. It's totally random. Random generated maze on a microcontroller. That's awesome. Yeah. And then I actually got that to another level.

Because you have three game modes on a maze. The standard maze. And you have another mode where you need to collect all of the bits and pieces in the maze to open the exit. It's randomly scattered around. And the final one was dark. You basically see only a few blocks away. Let's see. There is a video about only like a maze. Yeah, I'm watching the video right now. Yeah.

Ah, here we go, here's the dark mode. It's a challenge to actually make those fade effects on that. It's a one-bit screen. You have only white and black. There are no shades of grey. Yeah, that's a really convincing effect, even so. Yeah, it's just dots and stuff. It works. Yeah, it definitely works, for sure.

That is honestly really cool. I've always wanted to try out doing some Arduino stuff, but I never have any idea what I would actually do with it. Same with getting a Raspberry Pi. It's like, yeah, it's cool. I don't know what I would do with it, though. That's the problem. If you take a look, everyone is just making a weather station or something like...

Every project is the same. Or... How do they call it? I don't know. The humidity sensor for their plants or something. It's all trivial. But what I found myself in is coding games for microcontroller, which is cool to me. Yeah, it definitely sounds cool for sure.

And then porting my games to what was the name of that actual console that came out before my console? Hardboy. Hardboy. It's like a Game Boy clone for... It's not a clone. it's just its own kind of console. Let's see if we can find Arduboy. Ah, yeah, here we go.

It actually uses a better microcontroller than I do. It has more memory and program memory and RAM. Here we go, the Arduboy. Mine has a bigger battery and everything. This is sort of neat. Yeah, I didn't even know about this. But if you want to put another game on that,

you need to flash it with the headers. With Mike, you can just flash as many microcontrollers as you like and just pop them in as a cartridge. So that's the headers. With micro, you can just flash as many microcontrollers as you like and just pop them in as a cartridge. So that's the difference. Right, okay. What else? So when did you first actually start messing around? Oh, yes, you got

a topic? I just remembered another thing. Yes. So, because it's all about time. I didn't have time, and that's why I stopped doing these things with Arduino. But maybe you'll notice there is another project which uses NodeMCU, which actually takes some data from some API and displays that on the screen. So, I was planning, this is my wish, I wish I will do it. I will find the time. I want to do like a stand-alone desktop thingy that will actually connect to librarylytics API.

Yes, that is coming too. And it will display your, I don't know, you will be able to control what should be displayed on that on your Librelytics account settings page for that. And then that this device is just sitting on your desk or you put it on the wall or something and displays your views, subscribers. So yeah, yeah. That is actually really cool. I would love to see something like that Yeah, I imagine that and and then it beeps when you get like 10 on every 10 subscribers it beeps You can do whatever Now that's amazing time

now that's actually an idea for something like that I could take that and also query the YouTube API and then just have like a screen up behind me that shows like my sub count behind my head. Yeah, but I already did that. That's done.

Not with the huge screen, but with the small, like all screen. But for this one, I plan to use something bigger. I honestly can't wait to actually have something in my background, but being in a rental property, it's not really too feasible right now. Yeah. Yeah, look at me. It's like a small apartment.

I actually need to have my wife go out so I can do it. But cats needed to stay home. Cats are very important. Yeah. Yeah. They're actually quite nice right now. Yeah, now they're not making noise. Yeah.

They just got tired of making noise. I haven't had a cat for a while. The cat I had before, she's living at my parents' place now. I think we've had her for like 15 or 16 years, and she's still going strong. Yeah, I don't remember having a cat before her, but we did apparently have one uh who was one of those cats that doesn't like anybody it's just like give me food and i will never come near you ever again

i do not like you yeah basically all the cats are like that in essence they just you are the pet they are not the pets you are oh no now that this cat's gotten really old she's gotten like really really friendly like way too friendly before she was kind of like that as well but now every time i go there like she'll always run up start like circling my legs it's like oh i want attention give me attention i think it's just because she's gotten but she wants food uh yeah well she wants food as well but i think the other problem is that she's just because she's gotten... But she wants food. Yeah, well, she wants food as well. But I think the other problem is that she's just getting really old now. And a lot of the time, cats either go two ways.

They get really terrible or they get really affectionate when they get old. Actually, I'm kidding. It's not all about food for cats. They actually have feelings and and i know that because when uh when i was sick once uh my cat actually comes to bed and basically he was sitting on my head if it if my head hurts or my chest if if i have some i know, respiratory problems or whatever. So they actually feel that you are not feeling good. So they are trying to help you.

Do you know why they do that? Because they need food. No, yeah, exactly. They're waiting for you to die so they can eat you. Okay. A dog, on the other hand, like a dog on the other hand like a dog is at this point dogs have been um they've been what's the word i'm thinking of um they've been so tamed at this point that anything that goes bad around a dog it instantly thinks that it's that it's the one who's had the problem. If you leave the front door open

and your dog walks out the front, it will freak out. Like, I'm not supposed to be out here. A cat, on the other hand, I'm gone. I don't care. I'll come back later if there's food. Because cats are still not 100% domesticated. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Domesticated.

There you go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaking of English language. Yeah, speaking of English being not your first language. Apparently I don't know it very well. Back to the beginning. Look at me now.

Wow. My first recording. Yeah. My first recording. So what do we have on here? What do you think about the... We can go back to library for just a bit. Have you seen or have you paid much attention to the new logo that Odyssey is using for the LBC? I did notice that even on Twitter when they asked, what do you think this is?

Yeah. I said something like it's a top view of something viewed from a person on shrooms or something. I kind of knew that it will be a logo for the coin. Yeah. But I don't know. It's not symmetrical. That's the first thing I noticed.

Okay. The problem I have with the other logo is the other logo you couldn't see if you were on a dark background. At least this logo is much brighter and poppier. Yeah, it is. And it looks like a shiny thing that you should collect. Yeah, it fits in with that sort of modern crypto feel where it's like, here's this, I don't know, here's this fun project that we are,

here's this cool thing we're trying to do. Let's see if we can get a bigger picture of it, actually. This is very small. Do we have a picture? I think you can inspect the element. Is it a vector? Oh no. No, it's SVG. Oh, whatever. What an a vector, what am I saying? Do they have a picture? Yeah, they should have it on the library Twitter account.

It's in Twitter somewhere, yeah. I can find it. Yeah, they tweet a lot though. Let's see. I actually don't use Twitter. I used it in last few weeks just to talk to you. Yeah, now... And then I started using it more. Don't do that. It's a bad idea. Just stop using it all. There we go. It's not gonna work. There we go. Yeah, I found something. Yeah, there we go. That's the picture I'm looking for. Yeah, you can see it's not symmetric. Oh, I didn't notice this before. Okay, that that really bothers me. There's one part where they so on the the left hand side they use gradients on the orange

and the pink part but then on the green part down the bottom they don't use a gradient in the same spot that would be on the orange one yeah this green part is totally green, yeah. I didn't notice that before. That bothers me even more now. Yeah, look at this. Oh yeah, it's not symmetrical, is it? It's not. The pink thing is bigger than the blue thing. Even the orange thing is bigger than the green thing. And where is LBC in this image?

I mean, it looks nice, but I sort of can see there is L, but where is B? Where is C? Hmm. If you look at the orange part, you see the B. Yeah.

Yeah, it definitely fits in with the theme of modern crypto projects, but it's it definitely fits in with the theme of like modern crypto projects but it's you've definitely lost the the library aspect from it now at least when it looks nice when it's small it looks like a shiny little thing that you should collect it's all oh yeah it looks horrendous big i yeah yeah i didn't even notice it wasn't symmetrical until you mentioned that and I saw the bigger version of it. Like it looks fine when it's small but when it's like this...

I actually saw it on Twitter the first time they announced this. Let's see what people said to it. There's a kind of S in the middle, otherwise very colorful. For me, it's a marathon. I have no idea what that's supposed to mean. Self-governance token, the answer to life and the universe and everything. Do you know where your tail is? I never leave home without mine. Not sure. Okay. Wait, what is this? Wait, wait, wait. Okay. Did you know that there's a separate twitter account

for odyssey uh no yeah okay this is they've made it even more confusing now okay what are you guys doing i really need to talk to julian i found my my reply on that. It's something abstract, I know. Bird's eye view of Picasso-style Pac-Man and Pac-Woman dancing American polka. Bird is on shroom, hands do not neon colours. The hidden meaning behind not being symmetrical

really bugs me, though. I don't see the tweet. That's weird. Why can't I see that? I have an issue. Yeah. You have an issue with Twitter not showing tweets? Oh, okay.

No, no. For example, when I use Discord or whatever application that's using Electron or something, when I click a lock in the application, it actually doesn't open in Chrome. It crashes my Chrome. I would presume something about your MIME settings, but crashing it's weird. No, when I actually freshly the chrome and use it for five minutes ten minutes i don't know what the time frame is but in the beginning it all works i can

open links from third-party applications and it opens okay and then it just stops and first there was a fix in your dot desktop file you You put %u to select the current user or something on the executable. But that also stopped working. So I don't know. So basically, I need to right-click, copy the link from Discord, and then open manually in the browser so it doesn't crash. I haven't noticed any issues, at least on Brave. browser, so it doesn't crash. I haven't noticed any issues, at least on Brave, so...

I'm an open-sourced tumbleweed KDE. Arch Linux with a window manager. Ten years, wow, okay. I didn't even reinstall this thing, I just updated it. When my computer died, I just swapped hard drive and it works. Like put the old hard drive into a new machine, it just works. The power of Linux. Surely this isn't the hard drive you had 10 years ago?

No, no, of course. But I didn't reinstall anything. It's always the same. So when you got a new hard drive, you just clone... Did you just clone your drive when you got a new hard drive? Yeah, exactly. That's one way to do it. Because I'm too lazy. If I need to reinstall all this, what I'm using, it's just a nightmare.

Yeah. People keep telling me... It's easier to... Sorry no. People keep telling me you should try out OpenBSD, you should try out FreeBSD, you should try out Artix. I'm just like but then I have to reinstall all of my applications. Yeah exactly. So maybe OpenSUSE is not good for you, but I'm using that for 10 years and I'm too lazy to switch. Well, yeah, sure.

I've never used it, so I can't say if it's any good or not. I switched to Arch Linux as my first distro. Yeah, I think everything is better than Ubuntu, so yeah. Well, especially what they're doing with snaps lately. Yeah, yeah. Well, especially what they're doing with snaps lately. Yeah, snaps. The last time I had Ubuntu was on some laptop that I bought, and it was a nightmare. They just rolled out some update,

and the entire system just crashed. And they did some update to... What was the name of that user interface they were forcing? Unity, yes. Yeah, it was really cool at the beginning and then they just started stripping that out. All of the features and it started working like beep. So basically I stopped using that. And now when you say they started using snaps it's's just... I mean, it's good and it's bad.

It's good for people who don't want to think about anything. Just install a snap and it just works. If you don't want to think about anything, then use app images. They're easier. Yeah. Don't say anything about that. It's just easy.

Make it executable, it works. That's all you need. And I also installed on my machine, I have, I think it's called AppImageLauncher. It basically manages that MIME type and then you can just click on that, install, remove, whatever. I've only got one AppImage installed, so it's not really that big of a deal for me. If I can install it with my package manager,

I'm going to do it like that. The only app image I installed is library. Because I was too lazy to actually download the source or whatever. I can't use the.deb. Yeah, there's a AUR package for it, so I've got it installed like that, but the app image

I hear is perfectly fine. Yeah, but I am on RPM. So, there is this... oh, there's a bit of an echo coming from your side. Really? No, we're gone now. I don't know what happened there. Oh, there's a bit of an echo coming from your side. Really? No, we're gone now. I don't know what happened there. I don't know what happened.

I didn't do anything. I just clicked around. I don't know. Discord does weird things. So, yeah, there's this Odyssey Twitter account, but there's no reference to library on the description of it So if you look in the description no reference to library Maybe the light I assume they are follow library follow it. Yes. They're following library If you go to the website You would see a reference in the footer you would yes

But it doesn't say anything on the description here, like powered by library or anything like that. Yeah. But they only just started this. They will say. For sure, they need to. Well, yeah, to be fair, they did launch Odyssey

very recently. You know what, we're going to tweet at them right now. I saw that yesterday, last evening. At Odyssey. You should probably mention I found out about Odyssey last evening because I was not on Discord or anywhere because of

my day job and I was so busy. I didn't follow, like for two weeks, I didn't follow anything about library. So I don't know. Yeah, I'm sort of out of the loop in some ways. I know Odyssey came out, but I only heard about that like a couple of days of the loop in some ways. I know Odyssey came out, but I only heard about that a couple of days after the original password locked version had happened.

Because I'm just, I'm focused on Uni right now. Right now for me, Uni is still my focus, which it should be. I knew that they are cooking something that's only video related. I knew about that. I didn't know about the name or anything else.

Odyssey isn't just... But I knew that something was happening. It's not just video related from what I hear. You can still get to the blogs and stuff on it. Yeah, if you go manually to someone's channel and then click on something. But on the homepage, there is no way. I'm not sure about the search. I didn't try. Is there no way or is there just none that appear on the homepage, there is no way. I'm not sure about the search. I didn't try.

Is there no way or is there just none that appear on the homepage? Sorry for the noise. It's all good. Because I know my microphone is near the keyboard. Yeah, it works. It works for images too. I just searched for how much does my content earn, and it came up with my librarylytics comic. Well, yeah, as I was saying before, it's just a front end. I doubt they're even doing anything different in that regard. And so far we discovered it's only the front end. I doubt they're even doing anything different in that regard.

And so far, we discovered it's only the front page that's actually filtering content type. Oh! Yes? I actually... There is an image, not a video. It's an image on the homepage on Chrome. Which one? From 3D Pen Lab. It's fifth one on the left. Ah yep yep I see it.

Yeah. Okay so it seems to just be working exactly the same then. That's cool. But but then I don't understand they said this is only video platform did they say so any video platform in the yeah or this should be only for video okay well ignore that i guess um launcher and channel watch and share yeah it does say watch and share videos doesn't that videos, doesn't it? Alright, sure. I think this, don't be evil, actually references to Google, because it's... Yeah, no, that's what it is.

Yeah, that's why... It's funny to have it there, but it should just be like... In the FAQ, have a thing like, how do you feel about being evil, and then just have don't be evil or something like that. Like that would be a funny thing to add to the FAQ. Yeah. Or do you ever plan to remove don't be evil from your slogans or whatever it was? Cool, damn.

Yeah. That's how they could integrate it into their FAQ or something like that. But yeah, I... We keep coming back to this, I really don't like it being on the homepage. Yeah, it just pokes my eyes. If they want... Okay, if they wanted to do it, put it into the same font as the Odyssey logo. At least that wouldn't look out of place.

Yeah. Agreed on that. font as the Odyssey logo. At least that wouldn't look out of place. Yeah, I agree on that. Yeah, it's not a big deal. But hopefully now that things are getting better on the platform, it can bring some more people over. That would be nice. Yeah, the sidebar is the same. When you click on the hamburger menu, you can still access your subscriptions. Okay. It's okay. I'm sort of just waiting for Odyssey to get a desktop app, because that'll be nice. Or maybe...

Do you think it will have a desktop app? I don't know. I hope they at least bring the Odyssey interface to the desktop app because I don't want the desktop app to just be neglected at this point. Yeah, that's the thing. Because we know that they made Odyssey to be like, to follow the rules of all of the countries regarding the content and stuff. I think this is going to be censored in some way.

I'm not sure, but that's my guess. Because they want this to be like an entry point for widely accepted, you know. Sure. I did see something about that in the, there was the blog post they did before they announced Odyssey Remember that one? That's why I say it's actually contradicting the purpose of the app

It's not the same. Yeah, no, I You search for library on library and you can't find the official channel Live to search for like You get all of the like old language channels. Where's library gone? Oh there we go, I found it, finally. 296,000 followers. 6,000 followers. Jeez. It's a next generation of app, so that's what I was looking for. Here we

go. So, libraries should be neutral and broadly acceptable. We want library to be a technology used in education by bland corporations and by technical professionals. Oh, sorry, I read the wrong one. The one before that before that countries want to

export censorship many countries demand censorship of political content for political reasons they then demand this content not be accessible from the broader internet or block your website from internet or search engines library has received demands to block content on library tv or not be acceptable in russia Turkey and New Zealand. I'm almost 100% sure I can work out what video they're trying to block in New Zealand. I don't know. I'm not familiar with your affairs.

There was a Christchurch shooting a year or so ago. Someone walked into a mosque and then just you know started shooting it up uh huh and he had like an and that was a library

I presume it is because that video got re-uploaded everywhere so I presume it made its way to the library at some point yeah but it's probably still there I mean it's just not on the I mean, it's just not on the front end, but it's still there on the blockchain. So yeah, people saw this and they said,

library is going to start being censored. And then I think you're probably not wrong that Odyssey will end up going down that route. That's for sure. They need to be neutral to be accepted in every country. And then if you want to dig deeper into the rabbit hole, you can go to library.tv or use the app if you want to go even deeper. That's how I see it. But as you say, I don't see a reason why this interface wouldn't come to other platforms. Yeah, besides trying to push Odyssey.

It's completely not related to the filtering of the content, the interface. Interface should be everywhere the same, right? Yeah. Well, if people want to go and make their own interface, then they can. That's the thing. Well, if people want to go and make their own interface, then they can, that's the thing. But for the officially library-endorsed platforms, there's no reason why they shouldn't be using the same interface. Yeah, exactly.

Please don't censor or adhere to the request of these tyrants. It's a slippery slope, really. And then posted another comment. All right, sure. But that's all, like, it's all two-edged sword. Because you need to censor things to make Odyssey acceptable for everyone in order for your platform to grow. Basically, that's it. They want to have higher outreach.

Well, yeah, there's an extent where I think most people will accept that censorship, as much as some people would like to say censorship in its entirety isn't reasonable, there is a level that most people will be entirely comfortable with. Like, no one would say, oh, we shouldn't censor child porn or something like that. Everyone's in agreement. We should not have that being visible to anyone. That's reasonable. Yeah, it's like a common sense.

But, for example, I would never censor a video on Odyssey that talks about, yeah, there is another version of Odyssey that's called library application that you can use to access more things. So they shouldn't censor that thing, shouldn't ban those videos. If they ever take that route, that's when we can start being worried. Yeah, yeah.

If they start hiding the actual blockchain from the content, if you will. Because that's what happened over on, what was it called? Steam it? And there was... There was DTube that worked on Steam, I think. I know. I was thinking of how there were people on Steam talking about Hive and like initially when

all that big fallout happened like the guys running Steam it they're like no do not talk about Hive you are not allowed to talk about that on this platform right now and people kept making posts about it and obviously you can't really censor that that's that's not feasible

uh i think i think it was steaming and hive because i know hive's obviously a fork of steam um but i don't remember the exact details i wasn't involved in the community at the time, so... So if you go to d.tube, dTube, log in with another network, you can log in with your Steam private key, I think, or something. Yes, you can. And then you can log in now with dTube, Hive, and Steam. You can choose which one you want. Well, I'm still logged in, apparently.

I actually didn't visit this website for a long time. Yeah, it's still just as terrible as it was back then, probably. Yeah, the homepage is still the same with some content that's like... Whatever. Libraries actually lie tears ahead of this in terms of suggestions and categories and everything. Yeah, the only, until very recently, the only platform that was really competing

in the interface regard was probably BitTube. But BitTube is sort of going down a weird route right now. BitTube is sort of just becoming a PeerTube instance. Uh-huh. Was that the thing which allows you BitTube is sort of just becoming a peer tube instance. Was that the thing which allows you only to upload for ATP videos? No, that's something else. That's BitChute. Oh, yeah.

Bad marketing. There are so many. Actually, let's go to the homepage of BitChute and see what I see. Because I love this website. Uh... Okay. Do I have to be logged out? Oh no, let's go to popular. Okay, so. On... On YouTube.

Okay, on BitChute right now, on the homepage, we have The Dark Legacy of Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Just 40 plus days before the chaos in America. Oh, here we go. This is what I expected from BitChute. Freemasons torture chambers beneath your feet. Arizona Holocaust, CIA, FBI, Navy SEALs, Delta Force.

Yep, there we go. That's BitCh shoot right there. So you just put all of the tags you want in the title and... Pretty much. God, I'm not going to read that title. I don't want this video to be removed from YouTube, so I'm just... I'm not going to read that one. It just has to do with a certain

event in the late... a certain event in the 1940s that was a hoax. I'm not reading the title, because I don't want this video to be pulled from YouTube. You can probably work out what event I'm talking about

that they think is a hoax. Are you YouTube first or library first? I'm YouTube first just because it's easier right now. This podcast does come out on library first, though. Yeah, on Tech Over Tea. Yes. But main channel is YouTube first. When they do sort out the um

the of the direction the upload on library we posted on youtube later i will do it then but for now yeah for now i'm keeping it the way it is i'll let other people beta test it and then once it's working then i'll do it

because i know uh the linux gamer is doing it through that method right now and then once it's working, then I'll do it. Because I know the Linux gamer is doing it through that method right now. He's uploading to library and then having it synced over to YouTube. You know what's funny? I think I have like 200 subscribers on YouTube. I got those

subscribers back then when I actually worked on those small projects and stuff. And now on library I have like 10,000 subscribers and I'm doing nothing I mean I did create librarylytics but on my main channel I don't do anything special I'm just rotating my support I know I'm shooting in my leg right now but it's so easy, like, especially because there's those subscription rewards,

it's so easy to get people to subscribe to your channel. So I have... I think it's 10k on TakeOverT and then 13 or so k on the main channel, and I get, like, 300 views per video. Yeah, that's the question. How many organic subscribers you have because i think all of these subscriptions for example i have 10k and out of these maybe 500

are really the people who like what i do or whatever yeah the others were just those uh sub for sub freaks yeah especially if you've been around for a while i think it's gonna be less bad now but if you've had a channel since like early this year, you would have been there during sub4sub. So there's a lot of channels that have very inflated subscriber counts. Yeah.

And uh... Basically, I think I got my subscribers from those people who were subscribing to everyone in hope of getting back a subscription. Because I know that back then, I was getting like 1,000 or 2,000 subscribers a month. Now it's slowed down to a more reasonable rate

to like 500 or 600 a month. But there's still the effects that have happened there. And the same is true for any of the big channels right now. As like, for example, Bombard's body language, 57,000 subscribers. There is no way most of those are actual subscribers or Corbett report.

52,000. Yeah. 52,000. Tim cast 48,000 Veritasium 47,000. Most of these are really, really inflated subscriber counts. Yeah, I wanted to mention Librarianomics for some reason. Yeah, I've got that open right now. Yeah, so in the beginning,

when I actually released Librartics to the public, I was approached by many people asking, ah, you should team up with them and stuff, you know. So that's actually what we did at the end. We didn't team up to develop anything, but we kind of exchanged the links. They put the link to Librarylytics on Librarianomics. I put the link to Librarianomics on Librarianomics. I put the link to Librarianomics on Librarianomics.

And it was all fine, but for some reason, now you know that I am alone. I work on this alone. I don't talk to anyone. I'm not involved in any conversations in not conversations, arguments

on Discord or whatever. But one day, Electron approached me and like... No, wait. So they removed the link for Librelytics on their channel. Not channel,

the website. I was like, why? Didn't we just agree that we should advertise each other, you know? Like be kind of an ecosystem for all these analytics things. So basically, they... I don't know right now if they were testing me or what. But they kind of accused me for saying something I didn't say and doing something that I didn't do, sharing some

information with Library C, you know, the library community. And I didn't do it. I just I was good with Libraronomics. I was good with library community. It just put me on their website

and I mentioned them and stuff. I never involved myself in their arguments that they have. But I still think maybe they just tested me, but I just didn't want to be a part of that kind of craziness that's going on. There's a lot of really weird i guess tensions that exist between these communities within library you have the library community sorry yeah i i said i don't need that yeah yeah for sure in my life yeah yeah but for anyone who doesn't know so you have there's three major factions that exist within the library ecosystem besides obviously the library company but we'll leave them out for

the time being everyone's everyone seems to be perfectly happy with the company themselves but in the community there's like three groups you have the library nomics community which used to be library social and i've railed on them in the past about what they did back with library social that was an absolute shit show um then you have the library community which is run by what's his i'm forgetting his name uh casey's yeah yeah casey, Librarianomics is run by Electron and Brendan

And then you have Library Community run by Casey, Seb and Other people that I'm not remembering names of And then you have the Library Foundation Which Librarianomics Really hates, I have my problems with the Library Foundation and I'm not sure where they exist Right now, so But there's, I have my problems with the Library Foundation and I'm not sure where

they exist right now. But I would say the biggest tension exists between Libraronomics and library community. That's where the big fighting is happening. Yeah, so by me doing something cool for the community, for everyone. And then I got... They wanted to involve me to kind of choose a faction or whatever. I don't know. But that's not my cup of tea.

And I said that to Electron. And he didn't still reply to my last message. I never wanted to argue with anyone. If they want, they could return the link to Librelytics on Nomix and I will do the same again. I just don't want to be a part of their arguments with anyone. I'm not on anyone's side and that's it. So maybe they just faked that.

Maybe they just accused me like an excuse to test me or something because I understand that too. You can't, why should I believe this guy from Serbia, you know, but I don't know. From my point of view,

I didn't do anything. I just created a tool and I wanted people to use it and that's it. I don't care. I stepped into this nonsense as well. It happened a few months back as well. Back when

I think Electron was still one of the... What were they called? On Library Foundation. Yeah, what was the rank on the Library Foundation called? Um... I don't know. Yeah, what was the rank on the Library Foundation called?

I don't know. Veteran, that's it. Once Electra was still a veteran, and then he got to talk with people like Casey Seb again in that chat, that's when it got really bad, and there was some really bad tension. I'm not going to go into it now, because I've talked about it in that chat, that's when it got really bad and there was some like really bad tension. I'm not going to go into it now because I've talked about it in the past, but my suggestion is if you want to get involved with the library community, just don't listen to a word that you hear. Like, okay, actually, no, don't listen to a word. Take everything you hear from the leaders of Library Foundation, Library Community, and

you hear from the leaders of Library Foundation, Library Community and the Librarianomics take all of them with a massive pile of salt, especially when they're talking about one of the other groups because none of the groups like each other. I guess between Library Foundation and Community, there's

not really that much of a tension but between all the other combinations, it's really bad and anytime they're in the same conversation together, it's just an absolute mess. Yeah, for example, I think I know why this happened. Because I was linked to Librarianomics, and we kind of started promoting each other.

And I have this website friends page. And there I just listed library community library c and there was also librarynomics but I removed that because they removed me as simple as that so maybe they thought I was like kind of doing something with them or sharing some sensitive information but But that was actually funny. I didn't even have any sensitive information. I never was a part of any team. I'm on my own. I just put Library C here on website friends out of, like, gratitude

because they put me on their website with a screenshot, and that's it. What's the link to that page? Just click on the star in the top menu. Ah, star. Okay, it doesn't have a tooltip. Yeah, I want to put you there, also. Oh, you have Alexander Marcotte there. Awesome. Yeah, he was giving me a lot of tips in the beginning, so I put him here. Yeah, I discovered his channel when he did the...

I think it was the first deepfake he did with me and Luke Smith. I don't know if you've seen that one, but... Yeah, when he said Brodie Roberts of the E's actually looked like that. Yeah, and for example, Daily Library Report, official channel with CryptoHustler101. He is on this list because he was the first one to actually start using this platform and in his every video he mentioned Librallytics and that's why he's here basically. And after that group of people come Ko-fi supporters.

This is basically ko-fi.com and there is a web hook. When you buy me a coffee, they ping my website and I just display this here. Ah, yeah. So that's cool. I haven't spoken to CryptoHustler since I did the podcast with him. And he sort of like disappeared off the face of the planet. I don't know what's happening. No, he created the video. He explained why that is.

I must have missed that. Yeah, you can find it. He explained why that is. I must have missed that. I think he just got bored. Yeah, you can find it. Because he was making multiple videos a day for a while. Let's see if we can find it. And I want to send out a message to Brandon Brewer and Electron here right now. Because I know they're coming. I'm actually bringing Electron to the podcast next week.

I know. That's why I want to say this. Okay. Guys, I don't have any hard feelings or any feelings at all. You're just... For example, with Electron, I created a bond. We are not that different. We have not that different.

We have many similar passions. I don't understand what happened. So I'll bring you back if you wish. I just don't work with library community or anyone. I don't belong to anyone. And that's it. So all that happened was just a misunderstanding or your test.

I don't know. Because you were so secretive. So that's it. That's it. Just trying to make a useful tool for the community and just let it exist. Not trying to take sides or anything. Exactly.

I think it's a fair position to take, to be honest. It's much less stressful than trying to get involved with other people's problems. Because I feel kind of hurt because of what happened. And I wrote to Electron and he didn't reply. Maybe I was too harsh with my words, but I tried not to be. I didn't swear or anything. I didn't say anything bad to him.

I just, I was like, I had the same opinion as I do right now. Those community fights are not my cup of tea. That's it. Yeah. Yeah, that's entirely fair. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, that's entirely fair. Well, we are at two hours now. I'm happy to keep going if you want to, but just thought I'd let you know. Wow. I imagine this will be like one hour and I told you I never recorded

anything like this before I was scared of my voice and everything well you don't need to be how will we fill in one hour of conversation but wow it's two hours it is

I can see that you're really passionate about the things you enjoy you like you really love doing arduino stuff you really like making this library like stuff yeah i can code anything yeah i like to do anything with anything i've had people on before like i had a Scotsy business on before. And when I let him talk, if I didn't stop him, he would talk for two hours about crypto. And when you have someone like that on the show, when you talk to someone like that, you can see how enthusiastic they are about the topic

they actually really enjoy. I think I'm so passionate but in another way uh i'm manifesting that in another way i'm actually cutting you in a half of your sadness and not letting you speak and yeah let's call it a discord delay please yeah we'll do that no i guarantee people in the comments are going to call me out and say i'm the one cutting people off but no if you'll have, you're free to talk whenever you want. I can do a solo episode and say whatever I want anytime. But if there's a guest, I should be letting them speak.

Yeah, I noticed those pauses that we have between two topics because you can't really know. Yeah, there is no script. That's why. We also lose a bit of the social cues you typically get when you're just talking in front of someone. When you're talking face-to-face with someone, you can sort of judge when they're going to stop talking,

but when you have those couple hundred milliseconds delay, it sort of gets weird trying to work out where those social cues actually are. Obviously, it's easier when you have video than it would be just with talking, but having that delay there does make it a little bit difficult to keep those conversations rolling in the same sort of way. It's difficult, but it's actually nicer to have a conversation like this than to be scripted.

Yeah, for sure. If we knew what we are going to talk about, we wouldn't have pause between two segments or call it a segment, between two topics, thinking about what should we talk about next but it all turned out like good yeah well i've got a uh a list of topics here but they're sort of just like prompts for what i where we could take the conversation but you sort of led into them yourself anyways like i've got where did you get the idea for library linux or uh where do

you hope library actually no we haven't we haven't really covered that in like a more abstract sense um so i know you want to obviously build up or have a better server so you can run the chain query yourself but where do you eventually like if just think like five ten years down the line where do you like where do you want to see librarylytics actually be like where what is your dream for the platform okay so of course we all do everything we do to be uh financially independent okay that that's the truth behind everything. But the thing is, how do you achieve that goal? And someone on

Discord actually gave me a really nice idea. I should put a goal. So, for example, if I get, I don't know, some X amount of coffees, for example, on Librelytics, I should say, after this amount of coffees, I will make this open source, for example. Librelytics. I should say after this amount of coffees, I will

make this open source, for example. And then everybody is happy. It's open source. Everyone can work on this right now. And I'm rich. I mean, I'm independent. So that's cool. I don't know. Well, I see

it grow, but I still don't know how and it's not a part Well, I see it grow, but I still don't know how. It's not a part of a company. I'm actually an entrepreneur, but I work other things for a living. I'm still a programmer, but I do that for my clients. This is my hobby project, like private project. It's not related to any company or anything like public name. So

I don't know. I see it grow. I need a better server for sure. This is getting painfully slow. It works right now with a lot of magic behind the scenes to make it actually work on shared hosting.

So, yeah. So, are there any sort of, I guess, features you would like to add to the platform that you see being possible, but just aren't really feasible with the current setup you've got right now? I know we talked about some things earlier, but anything besides those we didn't really talk about?

Yeah, you mean likes, dislikes right now that we have? That wouldn't be super complex to bring in if the API input is already there, you just need to bring it in. For example, I want to imagine actionable insights.

You get a notification on Librelytics that looks like your most popular video is this. You should support this video more. Something like you get an insight on something and then you can action on that. Or maybe I want to improve. For example, right now everything is split into daily chunks I want to create to make it like more flexible

so you can do month on month not only day on day and that kind of things hmm the main list is actually right now what's on my mind is on that about page. So daily, weekly, monthly. Earnings for this month so far.

So for example, if you're relying totally on library on your monthly earnings, you should have an information this month you earned this month. But that's all trivial. Yeah, yeah. Most of that is just sort of like, here's the number. Yeah. Work plus. Yeah.

Yeah. But... Home page pinning for publishers related charts. That one is tricky one. I already have those charts. It's just not pinnable. But yeah, what I did with the homepage, homepage was the same for logged in and logged out users. But right now when you log in,

you can pin and create like your own custom homepage with charts. But having those, I think the most exciting thing there is the actionable changes you could make. Like that's something yeah yeah i would really like to see because right now i'm well the thing with library right now there's not really much to actually action it's just like okay your video this video is getting a lot of views just dump all your lbc on it so hopefully down the line as the as it gets a bit more complex and maybe there's

more things that go into the algorithm, maybe there would be things you actually could optimize for getting more views potentially. For example, if Librelytics notices that some of your videos has more views than the others on average, but it didn't have, It had zero views last week. It could notify you, yeah, what's happening with this. You don't have any new subscribers this week. What's happening? There are many ideas.

Some of them sound far more complex than others, that's for sure. Yeah. But for now, I think the main feature I want to bring up yes, it is the last on that list of to-do. Top list of channels known to Librelytics. Yeah, another disclaimer. I never wanted to compete with

Librelytics. Yeah. I already have the data to create this list. Librelytics is actually more accurate than Librarianlytics because they take all of the data. I just take the data that people actually monitor on Librarianlytics. So, yes, Librarianlytics is better in that sense.

But I want to finish this feature that I mentioned at the beginning. So you could actually click on a specific channel. You don't need to register anything. You can analyze statistics for that channel and all of the publishers and everything. That's coming pretty soon. I don't necessarily think it's a

bad thing for there to be two platforms that do a similar task because yours is more of an individual channel focus, whereas librarynomics is more about what's actually happening on the library platform. Yeah, yeah. But that's why I say this feature that I'm building right now can it looks like it's Libraronomics

ranking of top 2000, top 500 channels. That's only by subscribers. I just need that list. I just needed a list of channels to actually link to their detailed pages. And that's why this is the

best. I could put a random random list but it's better to have it organized by subscribers yeah yeah it makes sense yeah yeah well i would hope that one day that the two platforms could maybe come together oh god the echo's back i was gone now okay anyway i would hope that one day the two platforms could come together and you could actually build on a project together, but at least in the foreseeable future, I don't see

that really happening. Actually, Electron asked me once, do you need any API endpoint? Do you need any data? But I didn't need it. I just didn't need the data because I could do it on my own. Yeah.

I don't know. Because I take everything as a challenge to myself. I want to build it myself. That's why. Yeah, that's why yeah that's fair i don't yeah i didn't try to compete with anyone yeah well i even now even now you're not really in this as i was saying before you're focused on more of a channel level obviously having that list there is something you can have as well but library nomics still has their graphs of like here are the most supported channels here are the here's how the tips are being distributed across the library platform obviously you could bring that on to librarylytics as well but yeah but why why because they already have it i don't need that

but this list top 500 list or whatever, I need that for other reasons, not for to compete with library nomics. Yeah. Just want to be clear on that. Because they are coming next week. When?

Electron should be next week. I haven't asked Brendan to come on, but I think that'll be fun I'll bring him on at some later date I want to get oh that would be interesting no I think an interesting one would be

having you, Casey and Electron at the same time. Actually, I don't think I'd be able to get Electron and Casey in the same call unless I just didn't tell Electron that Casey was going to be there. Just get him to use an alt account or something. Oh. yeah what should we do what should we do what else did you have on your list I think we've hit most of the topics

to be honest yeah don't actually really okay here's one thing Um... Yeah, don't actually really... Okay, here's one thing. Um... I guess we can do this as the last topic, because it's... It's going on 10 o'clock here, and I kinda wanna... Edit some of this before I go to bed.

Um... So, how did you end up... Making your way into being a PHP developer? Mmm... making your way into being a PHP developer? Was it just like stumbling into it or did you go out of your way to be a PHP developer? No. I actually started working on some HTML page, some simple HTML website.

And then I was like, how can I make this dynamic? And then I was like, how can I make this dynamic? And then I was searching for solutions. And so PHP, which looked like the best thing I could do at that point. And then I started experimenting. I made a simple guest book. That was one of the examples in some tutorial. And then I realized, wow, I could make a forum because forum is just a collection of guest books.

But remember, I did all that with our database. I stored all data in text files. I don't know how I did it. I think I invented my own database system because what is a database? It's still a file, you know? Basically, yeah. Yeah. So maybe a year after that I actually started using a proper database. So what happened? I created that. I had a forum. And then I created a... do I have that somewhere? Wait. Please wait. Yes, we can wait. We just listen to the sound of your typing while we wait. I'm trying to remember the subdomain.

Oh yeah. Will we find it? Are we in luck? Yeah. I'm sure this is making great content right now. You can cut this off. No, I'm not doing that. I don't want to do that.

That's too much work. They're already two hours into the podcast. They can sit this off. No, I'm not doing that. I don't want to do that. It's too much work. They're already two hours into the podcast. They can sit through it. Okay, I need to share my screen. Okay. Okay. Can you see that?

Okay, let's see. I'm going to make something work here. We're going to... Can you see this nice-looking website? Here we go. Oh no, everything's broken now. Oh no. No, that's fine. I'll make something. How do I do this? Yeah, here we go. I'll just fix this up for the rest of the show. Okay, yes, I can see it. Coffee sods. So, I made this all with text files, without database. It was a forum, and then it became a social network because you had your profile comments on your profile,

photo albums and everything, and all in text files. Oh, no. I'm trying to remember my... Yeah. Oops. Please tell me you weren't storing the passwords in plain text or something like that. Of course. There is no forgot... Yeah, that's too much work. Yeah, but remember, this is only, like, this is the first project I did when I learned PHP.

So I'm trying to log in. Sorry. So good. No. What was my password? Hmm. Hopefully we can get in. It's not happening. Yeah.

Am I sharing my screen or my window? You are sharing your screen. I can see the window. Yeah. If I do this, what do you see? I don't see anything. Okay. I'm going to go to the screen. I can see the window. Yeah, if I do this, what do you see? I don't see anything. You see just the desktop.

I just still see the window, yeah. Okay, so I'm sharing the window, okay. I really wanted to show you this. If you want to wait, okay. Well, if you can work it out in the next couple of minutes, we can do it. Otherwise, we'll just leave it. Yeah. That's sad.

One moment. Hmm. Well, um... How can we entertain people for a couple of minutes so hmm do i have an anecdote of some description yeah please fill fill me in fill me in uh hmm so people around my area are absolute horrendous drivers. So, okay.

Up near my school, I don't know why they do this. People like to park on the roundabouts. So, they'll fill in, like, the lanes to the school yes okay i'll save the anecdote for later um so imagine this in the early days of facebook yeah that fits in okay so for anyone looking if anyone's just listening right now, this website basically looks like... what, 2005, 2006 Facebook? Like, first generation Facebook.

Wow. That's beautiful. Look at this. I had games, and then you have Flash games. And this is the start of that. This is the forum. I presume they were Flash games, though. Yeah, this is the collection. Yeah, yeah.

This is the collection of guest books, which became a forum and topics, basically. And then you could go to forum, games, home. When you go home, you have this. You also had notes. You could take notes. You can change color scheme on top. Oh, my God. You have a friends list.

And there is no drag and drop. You need to click on these small icons to order things. You have a friends list and there is no drag and drop. You need to click on these small icons to order things. Because you did everything in PHP. Broadcast. Broadcast was like you write a message to all of your friends. I had that. And this is all in text files.

Remember that. Always remember that. No. And then you have documents, videos. You could share YouTube videos here. You could share documents. I'm just amazed by this icon theme you've got going on. This is so early 2000s, late 90s. No, this is all hand-drawn. Please. That's my point. It looks like it fits perfectly into that time,

that period of time. Yeah. Okay, so... Yeah, everything is over the top. And then when you go to pictures... Mhm. You have photo albums. Uh...

Yeah. She was my girlfriend back then, and now she's my wife. And you had comments on every single photo. And everything is in the text file. This... Every time you say that, it sounds even more

impressive. That's why I'm saying it. Because I still... Can you believe me that I don't remember me doing all this? It's just like it happened but I don't remember the entire

process I just did this all my drawings yeah I like to draw things oh nice yeah I'm sure you haven't looked at some of these pictures in a long time yeah I didn't that's why I'm sure you haven't looked at some of these pictures in a long time. Yeah, I didn't.

That's why I'm excited. Wow. Yeah, I was modding my... It was BenQ Siemens EF81. It had like a stripped down version of Linux on it. And for some reason, I made a theme with a Windows button. Look at this. Oh my lord.

It's all like custom firmware. Yeah. Yeah, and you had your wall comments and stuff. Oh, nice. And this one, this one should be a YouTube video, but for some reason that doesn't work anymore. It doesn't work for some reason. Well, dig into the code and work out why it's not working then.

Yeah, and there was a chat on the left side, which also is using a text file. How are you searching through this text file? Yeah, and... Okay. I will share another window. Okay. Okay. I will share another window. Okay. I will just...

I will hide it just in case you show something you shouldn't show. Okay, I can't hide it. I think I'm sharing FileZilla right now. Yes. Yeah, so... Because this is hosted on Linux. So... This is the database. Users, for example. Topics.

Everything here is all text files. Okay, the individual text files. Okay, that's better than I thought. Yeah. And then I had users like this, but then I realized because on a file system, when you have a lot of files like this, it actually grows the folder size too. And it needs even more time to access the file because the folder is just a list of pointers to files. Yes. And so basically it became very slow

and that's why you have number zero. And then after some amount of users, I will create a folder number one. And then you have files and then these are your files. Yeah. Happy times. This is disgusting. Yeah. Happy times. This is disgusting. Yeah.

Oh my god. But it brings memories. I bet it does. Okay, if I close it. That was at the beginning. Well, you asked me how did I start. Oh, yeah, didn't I? Yeah, well, that's it. If you remember what you asked me half an hour ago, yeah. While I was trying to log in. Well, that's an interesting way to start for sure. And that's certainly a more interesting project than i did back when i first started programming because back when i started i just did like a uh a game within um a library called greenfoot which is like a java game library don't recommend it's a terrible but making a website like that with such a

I wouldn't call it's unique for now but at the time it was just like that's the style that everything was in it's just a piece of history that won't ever come back yeah

but it was not actually my aim to that won't ever come back. Yeah. But it was not actually my aim to be competitive to Facebook. I hope not with text files. Yeah, of course. It was just my personal project, my passion to actually build. I was challenging myself, can I do this with my knowledge so far?

And I just did it. I had another thing. I had a game. If you heard about O game, it's a web browser-based game where you have planets, you colonize planets, you send your fleet, attack other people. Basically, they have their universe, like, you have galaxies. Each galaxy can have 255 solar systems and then each system can have 15 slots for planets. And that's it. So, what I did, I made a 2D infinite universe. I mean, infinite in a sense, the big int in database for coordinates.

Yeah. And yeah, I had that game, and I worked with one guy. He actually gave me a really nice server and everything, but that game just failed. So that was my second project after this. And it was with a database, not with text files. Moving up in the world.

Yeah. Someone is trying to call me for the fifth time. Maybe it's important. I don't know. Yeah. Okay. What time is it at your place? Like 10 p.m. Yeah. 10.03 p.m. Because we have half hour time zones here. Don't ask me why. And don't ask me why we both thought it's going to be your Friday not Saturday. Yeah, yeah I think it was because the time that I gave you was from the day before so it sort of got a bit confusing because I said my time frame was from like 10 pm

confusing because i said my time frame was from like 10 p.m um yeah gmt or whatever anyway time zones yeah time zones weird but regardless i was happy to record saturday night anyway um no issue like i've done plenty of podcasts late like on saturdays in the first place but i did think it was since i thought it was yesterday i sort of planned my entire day around that so i i was planning to work on an assignment and then i ended up just planning my entire week of videos because it was like oh it's five o'clock now i don't really have time to work on that stuff as well and then i just kept doing it then i realized oh no actually not today. Well, that's slightly positive. That's why I asked you last evening, your evening.

If you want, we can do it right now. But I didn't realize it was too late for you. No, yeah, it was 11 p.m. So. Yeah, yeah. I'm happy to do podcasts that late. My issue is the fact that I live with other people if I live by myself

I would do podcasts 4 in the morning I don't care yeah this actually this apartment I'm in it's my wife's we are not renting but we are the wall next to me is another apartment

and it's really it's a really thin wall and I couldn't do that in the evening. That's another reason. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, I live in a share house right now. So I've got two other housemates and it's not that big of a deal.

The only problem is that one of their bedrooms is directly through this wall in front of me. Yeah, so you can't really talk and laugh in the middle of the night. Yeah, yeah. Same here. But one day I'll move in my own place. I want to move somewhere rural, get really far away from the city. Yeah, did you notice that in the last 20 years,

many people moved to the city, and now everyone is moving away from the city again. That's really cool. I think it's going to happen a bit more now, especially with how dangerous people are realizing the cities actually are. But I think the big thing now is a lot of people realize you don't really need... A lot of people, especially now, they're doing work from home.

They're realizing oh i don't actually need to be in the city to do my job like there's no reason for a dev to be in the city for example like most places you can do remote work to some extent and you can go actually wherever you want and there's more and more places that are realizing that's a thing that's possible. And I don't know. I would like to move out rural somewhere. That would be nice. It's a dream one day. Once I'm, I guess, financially independent, I can get out there, live my boring farm life, and it'll be nice.

Yeah. Because with money, you could do anything. You can buy your passport or whatever. Right now, for example, because I'm so happy to be happy in quotes, to be born in Serbia,

I need to, even if I go somewhere, I can stay maximum of six months outside and I need to go back home. Or I need a visa for any place. So it's just nonsense. I consider myself a citizen of the planet, not of this country. It was just a coincidence I was born here.

But explain that to anyone. Well, it gives you a cool accent, so it's not all bad. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Well, I think we should probably wrap it up there. We're going on...

We're just past two and a half hours now and I have run out of topics, so we can do this again any other time, but I enjoyed this this this was a lot of fun me too me too i can't compare it with anything else before because this was my first time but it was really really nice and i'm so happy you you had me yeah you're welcome back anytime man like this was this was one of the most fun episodes i've had like i i really do enjoy

talking to people who are really enthusiastic about what they like thank you thank you so much well the way i usually end these is giving a shout out to a channel that i've been watching lately and the guest has been watching so is there anyone out there that you think deserves a bit more attention they they're currently getting? Well, let's give a shout out to the channel that's still on YouTube and I want to see them on the library. Because you're still uploading this to YouTube, right? Yes, yes I am.

So his username is C. Cooper. C. Cooper. Ah, yeah. He basically, he runs a video game store so that's another topic I'm like following I like retro video games he's a collector he runs a video game store and he

does a daily vlogs about his life and his store and everything so I would love to see him on library so I don't need to go to YouTube anymore he's the last person I need. And he's got an absolutely glorious beard. Yeah.

My cat. His cat. He's shouting out, because you asked him to shout out. Well, since we're talking about really small channels I guess I can mention the one that I got that YouTube decided to start mentioning to me a little while ago. His name is... if I can spell it correctly... is it going to come up? Will it come up? No, it's not going to come up.

Okay, well... Thank you YouTube. Uh, well, do I have another one here? Hmm. Okay. You know what? Okay. Well, I'm just going to gonna say if you're not already watching ev blog go subscribe to ev blog yeah oh yeah i mentioned the beginning of this yeah he's got a massive channel already but go watch his channel if you're not already he's makes breakdowns of uh electronics he does a lot of debunking of various terrible Indiegogo projects

and Kickstarter projects. Those are always fun. And yeah, he supports Librarylytics, so go support him. I also have another creator that uses Librarylytics. Yes. I also have another creator that uses librarylytics. Yes. It's Julian Illet. He's also creating his own electronics projects.

And he's in close relation to bigclive.com, if you heard about him. Ah, yes. Yes. So they are in the UK region. Big Clive is from Manx, I think. And Julian is from the manx i think and julian is from uk uh what's but those those three tv blog julian elett and big clive are my like three favorite guys for electronics uh julian how do you spell the last name uh like this okay yeah i was never to be able to guess that. I can see a video on Big Clive's channel.

I cannot find this. I'm going to go to Google. And you were mentioning beards, so Big Clive actually has some podcast streams about Mank's Beard Club. Ah, here we go. Now I found Julian. Yeah, he definitely makes videos in the same sort of style as Big Clive.

Yeah. Like a bench and a... Yeah, bench and top-down camera. Breaking all the rules of how you should make a YouTube video. It doesn't matter. Yeah, this is cool. I'll have to check this out. But Julian is more like making his stuff,

and Big Clive is more like tearing down stuff and drawing schematics. And we'll bring Big Clive's channel. And you said, yeah, C. Cooper, yes, it is a small channel. But, I don't know, we could shout out to bigger ones. For example, I didn't see

Metal Jesus on on Lively. That name is ringing a bell. Metal Jesus rocks. Also, a retro video game collector. Oh, I know I was thinking of someone else yeah yeah all of these channels sound pretty great I'll have to check them out I guess and anyone else listening go check them out, I guess. And anyone else listening, go check them out as well, I guess. Yeah. Unless you have anything else to say,

I think we can end it there. Yeah, that's it. Cool, so I actually never played the intro this week, but sure. I'll just play it as the outro. It's fine. Where can people find you on the internet?

Where can they find your projects? On my website is the best, I think. Because, yes, I am on Facebook. I am on Twitter. But I'm really going once a month to check the Facebook. On Twitter, I was almost never. Just a few days ago, I started actually using it because I needed to talk to you. Yeah, yeah.

So my website or my library channels, why not? I'll leave links to both of them down below as well. Yeah. Also, go check out the Librolytics website. And if you're liking it, then how was it that people can support you? They can buy me a coffee. There is an option for that. Or they can just send some LBC or tape or whatever.

I do have your... I'm not asking for anything. it's just your own good will, but the server needs fuel to run and that fuel is coffee. Do you have your LBC address on the Librelytics website? If not, it wouldn't hurt to add it. Yeah, I don't. But you can go and tip my channel. Yeah, whatever.

No, on Librarylytics, there is an icon for coffee. Yeah, sorry. I'm sorry. I didn't understand what you were asking. There is a donation page on Libraryralytics with a coffee icon. Does that have your LBC address on it as well or is it just the buy me a coffee thing? No, everything is there. LBC, Bitcoin, coffee. Yeah, yeah. Okay, cool. Cool. So yeah, go check that out if you're liking

Libralytics. So unless you have anything else to say i think we can sign off you're all good yeah cool thank you so much for having me and see you next time uh before we end i've actually got to read out my supporters but sure it's all good before we go i would like to thank my supporters a special thank you you to Yoakim, Kolbinion, Andrew, Craig, Nathan, Monsters, Joe, Sepidity, Road, Tony, Brennan, Donald, John, Mark, Mikkel, Nephite, Tease, and Zilva. That's getting very difficult to say in one breath. If you want to go check out my main channel stuff,

that's available on the Brodie Robertson channel, on Library, YouTube, BitTube, and other places. I think it's on Facebook as well if you want to watch it there. If you... It just gets synced over there. I don't care. This channel is Library First, this podcast. It is always going to be up on Library

First. It's always up two or so days before and then later it comes out as an audio release and also as a video release on YouTube. I might bring back the audio release to be in line with the library release as well, but I'm always lazy and forget to upload it. Anyway, yeah, all that stuff is there and you can go support my work down below with my links. They'll be under the guests.

So, yeah, I think that's pretty much everything for us. How do you want to sign off the podcast? I just did instead of you. So, yeah. Well, I will. Thank you for having me. Yeah, no worries, man. I hope we speak more.

We have more podcasts like this, and it was really fun talking to you and we touched many topics and for sure there are many more topics we could because we have similar interests so that's that's why well yeah we could there's oh we could easily fill up a podcast just talking about programming i'm sure yeah exactly I will, I'll just play the, the outro music and we can sign off there. Cool. Thank you guys for listening. And as always,

it's, it's been a lot of fun. Mate. You know, I keep saying I'm going to make a proper solution for this, but I'm still going to keep playing with my phone just because it's easy. make a proper solution for this but I'm still gonna keep playing with my phone just because it's easy. Okay, I should check on my cat what's happening on the terrace. I didn't close him but

maybe he saw something downstairs, some other cat. Maybe he did. I guess I'll stop the recording now I can't wait I can't wait to I should stop the recording I'll do it eventually okay yeah but you played the outro I did yeah we'll sign off now