Tech Over Tea - #33 Diving Down The Rabbit Hole - feat Electron

Episode Date: October 14, 2020

Today's episode of Tech Over Tea was an interesting one initially I had brought Electron on to talk about LBRYnomics and some of the changes that have happened with LBRY and Odysee but it very quickly devolved from that discussion and I'll just let you guys see what happened. I felt like this was a pretty fun episode if nothing else and get ready to dive down the rabbit hole. ==========Support The Channel========== ► Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/brodierobertson ► Paypal: https://www.paypal.me/BrodieRobertsonVideo ► Amazon USA: https://amzn.to/3d5gykF ► Other Methods: https://cointr.ee/brodierobertson ==========Guest Links==========  LBRYnomics: https://lbrynomics.com/ =========Video Platforms========== 🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBq5p-xOla8xhnrbhu8AIAg =========Audio Release========= 🎵 RSS: https://anchor.fm/s/149fd51c/podcast/rss 🎵 Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tech-over-tea/id1501727953 🎵 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3IfFpfzlLo7OPsEnl4gbdM 🎵 Google Podcast: https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9hbmNob3IuZm0vcy8xNDlmZDUxYy9wb2RjYXN0L3Jzcw== 🎵 Anchor: https://anchor.fm/tech-over-tea ==========Social Media========== 🎤 Discord: https://discord.gg/PkMRVn9 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/TechOverTeaShow 📷 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/techovertea/ 🌐 Mastodon: https://mastodon.social/web/accounts/1093345 ==========Credits========== 🎨 Channel Art: All my art has was created by Supercozman https://twitter.com/Supercozman https://www.instagram.com/supercozman_draws/ DISCLOSURE: Wherever possible I use referral links, which means if you click one of the links in this video or description and make a purchase we may receive a small commission or other compensation.

Welcome to episode 33 of Tech of a T. I'm as always your host Brodie Robertson and today we're both wearing caps. Yeah, go watch the soundcheck if you want to find out why. Actually, no, I didn't even have that in the soundcheck. You won't find out why. Just, we're wearing caps. I've got an excuse basically. I'm an egghead. I just, yeah, I have this on the floor I should get a haircut at some point but I'm lazy and I'm cheap Anyway Yeah, I just got a trimmer and that does me, it's fine

Yeah, I know some people like to do like razors on their head but I wouldn't trust myself with that That seems like a terrible idea Yeah, it's not good I did it once when I was younger and it was, well you've did it once when i was younger and it was well you can imagine it wasn't too good you'd have to get like i know um dt did a video talking about how he's not actually bald he just shaved his head and he was saying if you don't have like at least a four or

five blade razor you're just asking for trouble yeah mean, if you cut your hair with a razor, you're going to cut yourself, and then you look more stupid than what you did if you didn't cut it. So it kind of defeats the point. Yeah, for sure. Unless you get it perfect. Maybe wax your head.

That might be an idea. I wouldn't do it at my length, but at your length, it might work. Yeah, maybe. I just like it like this, because in real life life you can still see this hair that i'm not bald but um but i'm thinning enough to want to cut it all off rather than you know have it look a bit silly yeah that's fair anyway enough about hair yeah um well we can

get back to that at some point it's not like this is actually a tech podcast or anything. How about you tell people who you are? I've got your bio up on Librarianomics here. So how about you tell people what you actually do with yourself? Right. So everyone knows my name is Electron, but it's not. I've got other names. You've got three names. Well, I've got Stee, which is if you're a bogan in australia or a chav in england

the steve because they can't they can't do the whole lot but we've got dean if you just kind of like working class in class um and then you got steven which is my full name with the ph but that's not even my real name, that's my middle name. But since birth, my whole family and friends have called me Stephen because they said I was more of a Stephen than my first name. My first name is Mark with a K. I don't like any of them, so Electron does me. That's cool. Well, I've got Electron on my overlay right now,

so that'll work just fine then. Cool. Yeah, so what else do you want to know? What do you actually do with yourself? We know about your name now so what do you actually do? Well I've kind of been a digital nomad for the last you know several years traveling around the world and New Zealand, lived in New Zealand for a year, then Australia, went to Dubai and all this kind of stuff. Settled in Australia, I've been trying to get a visa here for six years now. That's how difficult it is. So before that, and I'm still kind of this anyway, being a digital nomad but I'm in the UK had my own business um being a consultant and working in major companies uh major PLCs international ones

as a lead developer um and that kind of stuff while doing um you know the kind of crazy stuff I do with my research work as well which is conspiracy stuff you hear me talk about which i cut i try and combine into what i'm doing at the moment because you know it's a it's an actual um well i used to do it more than what i do now um james does most of it now and that's with the open your eyes stuff so that's where we do like an alternative view on the news which i wouldn't class as conspiracy theory because it's all you know it's all research and evidence-based um but i was more involved in that in the earlier days you know helping with

putting the website together the design getting the marketing done and all that kind of stuff getting all the vips into it which we did um but now i've james has taken over and he's doing a brilliant job on that so i ended up meeting you through the stuff that you were doing on library i didn't i had no idea about all the other stuff you were working on or had worked on at least you didn't know i was doing the oi oe i can't even say it o y e stuff you didn't know i know i didn't know that you were involved with that either yeah yeah um not so much anymore though i don't do much on it at all i turned it into dark mode recently so it was nicer than the light mode but james is just doing an absolute fantastic job on

it and he's um been over to act i can't say this one, Anarchapoco, you know, with Jeff Burrick and hung out with Jeff and, you know, got it recognised over there. And yeah, he's been on the Mark Windows show. Mark Windows does stuff with Piers Corbyn, which is the brother of the ex-Shadow Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. Yeah, so that's getting quite good at the moment

but i i don't do much on it anymore at the moment so uh the main thing i brought you on to talk about was really about um about where library is going right now and sort of about library nomics as well because you're you're not doing the uh the crazy difficult stuff on the platform like uh like brend Brendan is with all the... Yeah, I want to talk to him at some point about the algorithms behind all the nonsense going on on this website, but you are still involved as the designer

and the developer of the website. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot that goes on at my end. There's a lot of JavaScript that goes into making it do what it does, like the search, the tagging that's um all javascript driven and combining that and complex css stuff using um identifiers and css that link into the data fields i'm passing in so well basically what i've done is i've taken i just get the raw json from brend And then I take that, I say to him, well, I need this data field in your JSON field,

in your JSON document. Then I take that variable and with the JavaScript, I can then create the table. So that table is an actual physical table. It's created through the JavaScript. How about we get too deep into that? How about we actually explain to people who don't know what Librarianomics, actually is because i've talked about on the show plenty

of times before but there might be new people who haven't heard about it or new people to library in general who haven't heard about it yeah so basically it's taking it's using the library api which is their kind of like um method of speaking with the data points it's taken the data off library putting it into a program that brendan's created which creates a json file which contains all that json then that data which is like a database is then displayed on the website for everyone to visualize it's not just numbers as such in a big mess. It looks nice and it's in sorted into an order. It's got meaning, it's got function.

So library nomics is basically turning all that complicated data into something simple that people can understand. Yeah. Is that okay? No, that's fine. Go as technical as you want. I, I don't mind that. Uh, it's a different sort of a feel for the show than we normally have.

Normally, it's just... I don't know what this show normally is, actually. Sometimes it goes off in ranting about the Atari VCS. Sometimes it's about tea. Sometimes it's about coffee. But the Libraronomics website itself is basically, at least the home page of it, it's basically a big list of the top channels on Libri right now. Yeah, basically. Yeah. Yeah, so the top channels, as judged by the amount of followers they've got.

Well, you can change the sorting as well on that as well. Yeah, and we've had debates whether the amount of followers should be the main metric to display it as. We're talking about building an equality score for it and then judging it by that. Because you could have someone that's maybe, which they do do this, have come up with a way to get followers by hacking into the,

not hacking as in real hacking, but using some sort of bot to create followers and all this kind of stuff. So if you create a quality algorithm that will look at things like repost, well, now we've got likes and dislikes, the amount of views on content and the amount of library credits that have been, you know, either tipped or supported, then you can work out whether that's a real result or not.

And we could use that to give it a better result but one of the um i'm sorry we've got a little lack there i was gonna say um we i was gonna say but what how can you really say if someone's got more reposts that that's a better channel because some channels are really good but um you might not want to repost it because it might be a conspiracy theory and it's the same for likes you might not want to like something but it's really popular so you know it's it's difficult to work out quality score fairly well back with one of the earlier things with the quality score one of the problems it does have this is sort of a problem with library and also one of its benefits there's nothing stopping you making a new wallet and just going and subscribing to a new channel

that's why it's so easy to bot up your followers you can just basically write a python script spawn up new wallets subscribe to a new channel and bam it has a hundred thousand followers now yeah yeah exactly so i mean that's the biggest problem that they're always talking about we have the library team is that it's so easy for people to do this kind of stuff with this kind of technology and it's really difficult for them to build in you know preventative measures to stop that happening um so at least without making it more centralized like you could obviously do it but then it would come with the draw like those drawbacks yeah and there's a lot of people that only see in black and white they think it's either got to be centralized or

uncentralized but there's gray areas and the gray areas always work best so you could think of decentralization as the backup because all decentralization is for is to stop you getting censored so that's your backup but you have centralization to make it work properly. So you have your centralization overlapping on your decentralization and you've got the best of both worlds. That's the best approach. But you get those hardcore anti-establishment people

coming in, oh, how dare you've got Google Tag Manager on your website. I've seen so many people complain about, I think it was the library website they had google analytics running it's like yeah okay but that's tracking basically the same stuff that would be tracked if they did their own analytic system yeah it's the same it's one that i can't speak now it's the same that's on their um mobile phones their computers, their operating systems, it's all doing this anyway.

And unless you're living in a cardboard box in the middle of the sea, you've got to put up with some tracking. And it's not like it's taking DNA. It's taking just, you know, some very minor details, you know, that, yeah, you can do some evil AI-based stuff with it, but that's happening anyway, whether you sign up for Google Analytics or not. Well, the problem with it also um that's happening anyway whether you sign up for google analytics or not well the problem with it also is it's all well and good if you don't want anyone to have

that information but it seems like some people sort of like obviously the super extreme people don't fit into this category but the sort of people who dip their foot in um they'll care when some people take the information but not when others others do it. Like every single website out there, scrape what web browser you're on, every browser out there scrapes your IP address. This is basic stuff. They just keep track of when anyone logs into the website. And it seems like some people really have a problem

when like Google or Amazon or Facebook do it. But then when they just go to some random website out there, they don't really have anything to say about it. Yeah, yeah. I'm just going to say yeah on that one, because that's all correct. If we go back to the... And I've got parrots flying past me, and it's distracting me, because I've opened this area of my window to get some light.

But all the parrots keep flying past, and I get really distracted. Yeah, I miss all the parrots in Queensland. Oh, they're brilliant. We don't have as many down here. You still occasionally will see rainbow lorikeets, but there's nowhere near as many as I saw back when I was in Queensland.

Yeah, that's one of the things that drew me to living up here. It's just the wildlife's really good. I love my wildlife. In the UK, we have great wildlife, but it's hidden because it's so scared of the humans up here it's just the wildlife's really good i love my wildlife in the uk we have great wildlife but it's hidden because it's so scared of the humans up here the wildlife likes the humans i don't know why but like i can be um in my bedroom and a parrot will fly in and sit on my tv i'm like this is just unreal and like um if i go out onto the balcony, they'll jump on my shoulder and they'll, like, nip at my ear. It's like having a pet.

You don't even need a pet. Some of them are a bit too friendly with people. Like, I saw this, I think it was this pigeon. It was just, like, flying in between people. Like, can you just go somewhere else? It wasn't trying to swoop people. It was just flying around them pigeons i don't like pigeons you get those as friendly animals in the uk because they will

fed so they get so desperate for food they will land on your head as well but there's no character to a pigeon it just sits and it doesn't do anything with a parrot it's actually like a human like it's got expressions you can train them to shake your hand i've got a video on my library channel of the parrot shaking my hand um really intelligent birds of characters and that's why i like those ones that actually reminds me of the story that happened to me as a kid um i was sitting just sitting in the back seat of my car of my parents car i guess because a little kid um i had a sandwich in my car, or my parents' car, I guess, because I was a little kid, I had a sandwich in my hand, and this pelican flies up, lands on the

window, and just takes the sandwich and just flies off. I like pelicans as well. There's something really majestic about them. So they can float around in the water like, you know, a big swan or something. Then they can start walking around like a,

you know, like a kangaroo. And then they can fly into the sky, and they around like a you know like a kangaroo and then they can fly into the sky and they're like you know pterodactyls you see them they do the circling like the um the bird of praise do you know it's just the same stuff they circle around and they're huge and you think what on earth is that and then it comes a bit closer you see it's a pelican absolutely majestic animals really good but they're not they don't have obviously the intelligence of the um the parrots so you don't get that kind of interaction off them but they're majestic they're cool absolutely yeah like where i'm at right now it's it's far enough away from like the city that you still do see a lot of wildlife um not obviously not anywhere

near as much as when i was whenever i go see my parents up in the riverland because that's up like right along the murray river um but it's i'm in like this nice i guess um sort of nature bubble where if i go like five minutes in any direction it's all like regular city. But this one spot I'm in is just this little nice habitat. Yeah, yeah. Where you are at the moment? Yeah.

Yeah, where I'm at right now. So you're not actually in the city? No, no, that's a terrible idea. Yeah, I agree. Well, I'm in the city now, but I'm right on the beach. So it's not that bad. I was going to show you a view out city now, but I'm right on the beach, so it's not too bad. I was going to show you a view out the window, but it's a bit messed up. Because we're on the beach, the windows have to be cleaned like every week, but they don't.

They come around once a year, so for most of the year, your windows are just, you know, they're like frosted glass. Such a stupid idea. You know, they should build in some sort of robot that cleans your window i mean it should be fairly easy to do yeah that does seem like it would be pretty easy hey like i yeah i can't see how well i guess i don't know because the glass couldn't really be that sensitive um and creating a pressure sensor when you're like when something's touching the glass i can't imagine that's super difficult i'm not a mechanical engineer as you can probably tell but i can't see that being the most difficult of tasks because all the windows are probably going to be a uniform shape as well so yeah

surely well yeah good design seems to be really rare these days people just want to build something that's profitable which means cheap and quick to do so you don't really get any of that um what would the word be innovation anymore like during especially the british empire days there was a lot of you know look how good we are we've done this we've done that we can do all the best things in the world now it's all you know with globalization and capital capitalism capitalism um i struggle with words by the way that's fine i'm the same yeah and so you got this now culture of just by uh building cheap and cheerful you know maximize profit get in build quick get out with your profit and that's especially in australia it's a real problem um yeah

they're actually falling down yeah the places i um back when i used to live in uh there was a fairly cheap area in south australia called daven park um they were basically tearing down all of the old housing trust houses and like rebuilding them because most of them were from the 60s and 70s and being housing trust places anyway they'd basically been trashed because no one cares like if anyone who doesn't live in australia that's like the public housing we have um and so they were replacing them with these new townhouses the ones that are like just flat concrete built as cheaply as possible they all look exactly the same the only difference

between them is sometimes like every other house they'll change the color scheme but they rotate between two color schemes like north korea or something yeah especially after the war um post war architecture is really poor because they wanted to house everyone not so much in australia well i don't know it's weird because you've got some of that in australia even though it wasn't bombed but in like the uk you'll see all these new builds that went up after the war and it's like it makes north korea look good it's so horrible and then you've got the psychological impact of that you know people adapt to their environments and if you put people into this really horrible environment of these you know prefabs and you know this industrial looking housing complex people's psychology really gets

twist and they feel down about themselves and they start getting this is proven in studies they start getting into crime and it's one of the reasons why the crime rate after the war in britain started getting you know out of control people just feel like you know, out of control. People just feel like, you know, prisoners or factory hens in these horrible buildings. Yeah, I think it should be a policy that all buildings have to, you know, pass some sort of metric to look good and function properly for the better of society, because you get a more productive society out there. Therefore, you get more taxes when you've got a more functioning society, because it's more profitable. You know, people aren't ill or can't be bothered going to work because of their psychology. I'm not going to get into all that theory, but it's a really interesting subject.

But it's complex. I don't want to talk about it. Well, this is one of the reasons I sort of want to get into a rural area because you still have that sort of, that same character that's always existed there. Like if you go basically anywhere in rural Australia, it looks the same as it did 50, 60 years ago because the same people who lived there 50 or 60 years ago are still living there. And like you are still getting some sort of modern development out there

especially in places like um uh red mark and berry in south australia or actually i don't know how like have you oh that try that again yeah this is what this way i constantly do re-recordings when i'm making regular videos uh in queensland are they um they building up the rural areas there? It's been a long time since I've been there. Not so much, actually. There's a few, what are they called, those outer settlements? I've got a special name, but I can't remember from my geography days.

But there's a few going up, but not much. Most of it is inner-city skyscrapers going up at the moment. I've got a really nice one just gone up called The Jewel. In fact, I'll see if I can get my camera looking out there. Let's see if I can find a picture of it. Can you see it through that? Yes.

Is that the big geometry-looking one? Yeah, the one in the centre there. It's called The Jewel. It's really great-looking. It's got all those neon lights that come on night time and and it's fantastic so there's lots of those kind of things going up we've already got the um q1 here which um for a while was um the biggest or the tallest residential structure in the southern hemisphere

and we've got the soul building which is really impressive and i think that had the most expensive penthouse in australia so the gold coast is basically the high-rise capital of um i don't know if it is the capital but um as in high-rise capital but there's a lot of them and it's known for the high- high rises here um but they're not doing so much um town oh i need to remember that word did you do you remember it from geography when you have those um towns that kind of when your city gets too big you have your towns that appear on the outer skirts it's gonna be really annoying you'll kick yourself when you say it a word's coming to me but I can't

I can't lock it down they say if you can't think of the word you mean don't think about it because the more you think about the word you don't know the more that you ruin your neural pathway to that word so they say don't think about it so I'm not gonna think about it usually the word comes to me in like 15 or 20 minutes i've had words coming through like

three days later i'm like oh that works in the middle of your sleep or something yeah funny old thing the brain i think i've only really been oh yeah that is a cool mug if you see my head disappear when I have it, it's a giant mug. I needed it to fit my four shots in. Well, this one's just a... Can you see it? It's not a secret what university I go to.

It's University of South Australia. They hand these out to everyone who goes into the school of ITMS, the Information Technology and Mathematical Sciences, out to everyone who goes into the school of itms uh the internet what is it information technology and mathematical sciences which is no longer actually a school at this university they've like merged it with another one or something i don't know i'm done in like four weeks sorry what are you studying there i'm doing my fourth year of her software engineering honors fourth year why four years uh i don't know i i was thinking about just doing the um regular bachelor's degree and just doing three years but

i i saw the like the project we do for the fourth year is basically an industry project and i thought that would actually look good as something that i could say I've done. Right so it's an extension not part of it's not actually a four-year course. I will basically I have the honours year so I have my my regular three years bachelor three years bachelor course and then the honours year and that's what I'm in right now. Right I don't know anything about the Australian education system so is that like a master's in England? No, this would be the year before you do a master's. Okay. Right. And how is it? Are you enjoying it? I'm not enjoying the research components, but everything else is good. Yeah.

I've got two papers to write in the next four weeks or so, and I've started one of them. Yeah. That sounds like me i've never been a fan of education i've done it all um i have a good habit not turning up to exams so i spend the whole of my time doing the course doing well in it and then i don't do my exam here's okay here's how they stop you doing that in my school if you don't pass the exam it doesn't matter what the rest of your grade is you get a zero you just fail instantly yeah so unless you had like a medical reason or something like that for missing it you just fail instantly right so for my multimedia degree what's called a

pdc professional development certificate they didn't actually do it as a degree so i did this one and it was really good the way they structured it you could do it in components so you could just do one component and have a certificate for that and just keep adding on to it so you can keep building it up and it was designed for adults so that you you know sometimes you can't always you know dedicate that time of your life to education so you can just keep adding your components on and build it up that way it's fantastic it was by far the best course i've ever done that's where i learned all my computer stuff that sounds like a much better structure than the way that my degree is structured because there's a lot of courses like in my degree there's a lot of courses at least in the early years where

it's just they sort of needed something to fill that space in um yeah and a lot of the stuff they go over is sort of fairly outdated technology as well like obviously they can teach the the skills you need to actually understand the modern things you're going to be working with but like for example in my web development course we did an older version of jquery not even like the latest version and jquery is already something that's not really being used for new projects is mainly something for legacy projects at this point um we did angular one not not the good version of angular the original version don't know why and i think we did um i think whatever the previous version of dot net was so yeah that's what my brother does in dot um but i stay away from anything microsoft

but he does it because it's brilliant for money if you want to earn money.net is great as a user so he he did his master's well it's called something else because he for um reasons unknown he couldn't complete his master's so he's got in the uk if you didn't do the final stage it was a bit like compartmentalizing it like i did you can do that with uh your masters in the uk okay um but then he did that in computer science and specialised in.NET. Now he's gone on to do some big positions in.NET kind of structures. But it's so boring. It's just like, no way would I ever do that kind of work. That's what I like about web development is creative. With doing like.NET stuff, it's more kind of like, you know,

doing big database kind of shopping sites and that kind of stuff. It's so boring. That's sort of the appeal I see with game development as well. But the problem is the games industry is hell. So if I wanted to go into game development, I would be doing that as like i'm the the guy who controls this not the grind in the game development industry is just absolutely insane like that's not something i could ever subject myself to yeah i mean the gaming industry is people think

oh it's fun it's it's gaming but it's so difficult all the gaming stuff um like talking from a development developing the game so well you're talking about yeah yeah it's so difficult, all the gaming stuff. Like talking from a development, developing the game. Well, you're talking about the coding. It's so cool because I've done all the 3D stuff in my course and I'm pretty handy with 3D architecture and application cinema 4D and that kind of stuff. And that's my passion. I love it.

But it's really difficult, especially CAD stuff, really mathematical based. You have to know all your physics and this kind of stuff to build it. Then you've got to do your programming on top with Cinema 4D. It's Coffee. The programming language is called Coffee, which is kind of like a Python-based language. Yep. Okay.

Wow. It takes all the fun out of the creative side. So people go into gaming design thinking it's going to be like playing games, but it's not. It's really stressful. for a gaming design thing it's going to be like playing games but it's not it's really stressful that's something i've noticed with a it's not a problem now but in the first year of my course there was a lot of people who dropped out in the first semester because a lot of their parents were like oh you like playing video games and you're doing nothing with your life go study how to make games and they realize this is terrible and i hate it yeah yeah

i mean there is the fun side of computer games oh absolutely isn't so much around now as what it was when it was the flash game so i used to make flash stuff um macromedia flash not when it's now it's adobe it's absolutely horrendous but when it was macromedia it was really good um so i started off programming with action script action script 2 and it was such a nice language and um it was easy to put games together you know you could you'd have you like your designer timeline with your layers and your you know your timelines on each layer and you could embed clips and graphics and use your code on each widget to animate and to interact and it was so much fun but then they switched to action script three and it became more of a hardcore type of c type language and then it took all the fun out of it it was now

becoming you know more structured and less um creative and that's when I got out of it and that's when Adobe brought it and it just became really bad that's when gaming and coding was fun, in my opinion I've met so many people sorry? I was just going to say all the people that do gaming programming are probably screaming at me now

you don't know what you're talking about, I probably don't I've met so many people whose first language was ActionScript, and they all had the exact same opinion on ActionScript 3. Yeah, it's horrible. All those people are like, oh, I went to Python or something afterwards. I've never met anyone who said, I like ActionScript 3. It was like a whole new language.

There was no similarities at all. ActionScript 2 was like what JavaScript should have been. It was just so nice. It was simplified, you know, you could do what you needed to do. Yeah, you couldn't do the really complex stuff, but most of the time you didn't need to do that anyway, you know, for that Flash type stuff. But obviously they wanted

to start really going into that gaming area and making more complex stuff so they had to expand the language but i just think they went too far with it and now we see where flash is it's uh you know back in the day when it was good i actually made flash websites i still got them backed up on my computer totally flash websites. They were great. I hated it I hated those flash websites because like back when I was doing like under there'd be some like this research I'm gonna have to do is like in primary school and I'll go to a flash website and every single flash website. You couldn't copy and paste anything Yeah, that was the downside and that's what people

didn't like about them like you'd right click for your context menu you wouldn't get there was nothing there so you had your restrictions with html websites there was much more you could do it was more with flash they did try and introduce that um later on with action script too where you could start making your own context menus and stuff like that but it was never you know as nice as what it was with HTML they could have done they could have made it the HTML experience but they decided to go this you know hardcore gaming route taken out of being you know Flash as it was known and just basically turn it into gaming and I think that's actually what it is now I think it's called Flash Gaming or something like that or Adobe Gaming. I'll see if I can find anything on that because I know that a lot of browsers basically dropped Flash support out of the box. I don't even know. That was for performance and security issues.

So the performance was just horrendous and there was all sorts of, well, they found a bug where the performance and the memory buffering was so bad that an attacker could take advantage of that. And there was a known exploit, I think it's still in Flash today, that hackers can just enter that memory buffer and hijack your computer. Here we go, I found it. So the Adobe Gaming SDK, create an action script game. The Adobe Gaming SDK provides an essential collection

Of frameworks, code samples and learning Resources that work together to help developers Create and deliver ActionScript games Across multiple devices Is there anyone actually using this? That's the real question I don't think so Who would use it?

I don't like Unity But at least unity is relatively decent or if you don't want to use unity you could use something like godot or anything else i'm not going to say use unreal if you're first learning how to program because you probably don't want to do c++ yeah but c sharp is pretty easy oh sorry the unreal engine is brilliant the physics engine really good i was a big unreal fan when i was younger it's one of the computer games that i you know played for two you know too long you know when you're staying up all night and not sleeping it was unreal tournament absolutely amazing i never got around to playing unreal tournament i did used to play a lot of quake live which was based on the quake 3 engine yes yeah quake 3

engine yeah that was a direct competitor quake was good but unreal for me it was just the best way above it's way ahead of its time really good oh and super mario can never forget super mario i've got it showing your age a little bit there do do do do that's um let me load it up uh make sure there's no audio, I'm gonna mute you. Uh, yeah, okay. Turn off the audio. Yeah, Nintendo is very Bayonhamery about their games a lot of the time.

Oh, I didn't realise. Yeah, YouTube, isn't it? Yeah. It's going to be up on... I have like 200 subs over on YouTube, but yeah. It is growing, which is surprising. How many? What's that? On the podcast channel there's 200. Main channel is close to

10k, but the one this is going up on will be 200, but on library close to 11k i think something like that yeah i once had a proper youtube channel which um i used as an actual rather than the one i got at the moment which i just dumped rubbish on um and i was using it to experiment with um youtube seo and you could do some really good stuff. I got, I think, 15,000 subs in only a couple of weeks it took me. Just by using the SEO. It's different now, though.

You wouldn't be able to do that now. Yeah, it's quite complex at this point. There's sort of these general practices that people know about, but no one that I know of, at least, can say, this is exactly how you game the engine or game the algorithm. Yeah, it's all AI-based now. And they've built in some really bad stuff that makes it so that only these kind of mainstream people perform well on it.

And that's the direction they seem to be going. They want to be like a Netflix-type thing. But still, you know, Web 2.0 but netflix type content you know people that look like a proper station rather than bob down the road that's filming his cat well speaking of youtube um basically caring about tv content i didn't know that this exists until about i don't know two days. YouTube has a thing called YouTube TV. I don't know if you... Yeah, I saw that.

I sent you a link to it. A couple of weeks ago. What was it? There we go. I didn't pay too much attention to it. They keep bombarding me with adverts for YouTube Premium or something. that's for youtube premium or something basically youtube tv is like uh a tv subscription that you do through youtube it's 65 a month uh you get like abc and fox and npc and things like that i don't even think you can get this in australia i think it's just like a u.s thing maybe i don't know yeah they're trying to get all the areas i've got youtube music now which is like spotify

um the tv one you've just mentioned the um the premium one that they keep bombarding me with adverts for it's trying to be the empire, isn't it? But, you know, people see all these channels getting banned. These are big channels getting banned because they've got an opinion. So that's got to be bad PR that's going to prevent them getting people to join. People would rather go on

Netflix. Oh, I've heard about YouTube. I'm not going to go on that. I think they're shooting themselves in the foot. I think from the general YouTube community, that's definitely true, but I don't think that most people know or even care about that. Like the people who are actually like actively involved, like the people who actually comment on videos and like videos,

those people, they are probably going to be bothered about it. But just, I don't know. Your mother wants to watch some stuff on TV. She probably doesn't care that some, I don't know, some crypto channel was banned from YouTube or some, I don't know, some random political channel was banned from YouTube.

So what you're saying is that their audience is my mum. Well, for YouTube TV it is. I don't see any kids paying for youtube tv oh dear yeah i don't know it's difficult to judge isn't it because that's a fair point and that's maybe the direction they're going but i think you know the so especially since covid and everyone questioning things um people are now very skeptical about things you know just average people now they're questioning like what's going on here and talking about covid what's your views on covid uh my state's actually doing fairly well i honestly at this point i'm i'm just like i

we have some level of restrictions we haven't had i think we had one case in the past month. Some places still have the social distancing signs up, but most general people don't care. Even the people who are supposed to enforce it don't care. In my state, I've said it before, we don't have COVID in this state. We import COVID from other states. What state is it again? South Australia.

South Australia. And that's right next to Victoria, isn't it? It is. It's directly next to it. That's the North Korea of Australia. Oh. Victoria is... Are we allowed to talk about this on YouTube?

Sorry? Are we allowed to talk about this on YouTube? That's a good question. Probably probably not i've done it before but uh yeah we'll brush around it a little we'll use some code words but um okay i'll just say a few things on victoria now obviously i do deep research into this stuff so plato's cave is in the distance for me. So for most people, they'll call me a conspiracy theorist. But it seems to be a testing ground to see what they can get away with. You know, if you look at what they're doing, it's identical to what they're doing in other parts of the world.

They follow the same scripts. There's a bit of evidence that this isn't a local decision by Dan Andrews. This is a global script that the following is so identical. And it's like seeing what they can get away with and then keep, you know, tidying up and pushing it a bit further. And I mean, it's obvious that they're reclassifying influenza for most of the numbers to push the numbers up so they can bring in these regulations more so they they can bring in more draconian measures to give the government more control. Then we've got Scott Morrison playing the good guy, saying, oh, this is terrible what they're doing. And like the Queensland border, oh, it's terrible. I'm the good guy. But I think this is the deception. He knows exactly what's going on. I think he's part of this plan of making the local state governors look like the bad people so that they can then say, well, look, we need to have the federal government take away the rights of the individual states that the consent to bring in centralized control over the states that's my opinion on it and that's why they're purposely making the victoria and

the queensland border really bad you know public opinion are you telling me the government's corrupt no governments are never corrupt i wouldn't i don't know if you can call that corruption or good business, because that's what they are. They're incorporated. So from a business sense, it makes sense, doesn't it? If you're a business, you want to control. And that's the problem. When Australia became incorporated, which I think was 1973, it started acting more like a business. I mean, it was acting like a business before that

but not to the extent that it is now and then we've got to think about how this fits into globalization um the big plan and you'll see all the um british mps like gordon brown talking about globalization and the new world order they use that word it's not conspiracy theorist theory they say we want everything to be the new world order. They want to have a centralized controlling power, which is a bit like what the UN already is, but have more control over individual countries. So I think Australia, which apparently and I've not checked it out, but there's a guy called Wayne Glue spelled G-L-E-W. Wayne glue spelled G L E W. He's an absolute genius. He's like,

he's got an IQ of 174 and he's taken the Australian government to court. And one, um, I'm forgetting what I'm saying now. Cause I'm just rambling. Cause I've had too much coffee, but, um,

he, he, um, he said that the, um, when Australia was incorporated, it was registered on the, I think it yeah he said that the um when australia was incorporated it was registered on the i think it was the american security market and the owners apparently according to wayne glue are the world bank um the un and the roman catholic church all own australia

so i need to check this out apparently you can go onto the securities exchange, check it out. I've not done that yet. I can send you the video later if you want to check that one out. If you want to, I might check it out if I get some time. It sounds weird that your country has been bought by organisations stuck on a stock market. But that's what they do. It's part of the globalisation plan. Well, even if you don't, even if all of that is nonsense, let's just say all of that's nonsense for the sake of it. What we do know is happening is that China is buying up

lots and lots of land in Australia. That is well-known public knowledge. Yeah. And would you say that's because they're trying to control Australia or do you think that's part of the globalist plan that Australia are involved in? I don't know. My research points towards Australia cooperating with the Chinese companies were buying up all the farmland and the water supplies drying up the river basins like the Murray whatever it's called so the land became very dry and then what happened is they instead of doing the

back burning they brought in new policies to say that they're not going to do so much back burning and they banned collecting of tinder so what you got was this ground which was full of tinder there'd be no backburning and really dry because the water had been diverted from the the river basin into the farms that the chinese had brought and that's why when you get one of the lots of arsonists wish setting fires um or a natural fire the whole place just boom like that it was an accident waiting to happen many people were done on purpose because it also fits the uh climate change climate change agenda so they're saying this happened because of climate change but it didn't provably didn't so you've got all the australian farmers at the moment complaining about you know

trying to take it to court because this these fires happened because of government policy, not because of climate change. Well, what we do know is that there were definitely people who were setting fires. That is like there are people who set fires. The actual the original cause of it. The original cause of it, I don't know if that's fully been understood at this point. But we do know that once the fires did start there were people who were definitely lighting fires though. Yeah, but if you think about it, all it takes is one, you know, it's a bit like having a mountain of dynamite. You just have to light one of them and the whole lot go off. Well yeah, and there was definitely some weird back burn... sorry this lag's annoying. Yeah, it's a bit of a lag.

But yeah the back burning policies have been real weird for a while. The places that do back burning fine, you notice that they don't tend to suddenly burst into flames because that's what back burning is supposed to do do it's supposed to mitigate that risk yeah yeah exactly um it's controlled so i was filming it the other day they had the backburning up here and they had two helicopters flying around you know judging the area making sure that it doesn't get out of control so the aboriginals have been doing it for thousands of years apparently they've got even better strategies than what the Australian government use, and they're saying that they should be listening to them.

Well, there are some groups that actually do the traditional methods of backburning. I don't know how accurate those methods actually would be. I don't know anything about that specific culture, but there are definitely groups that are trying to i guess follow those same sort of methods because that's what has been working in this country for thousands of years so that's what they're going to continue doing yeah yeah so if we put this into the conspiracy corner the conspiracy theorist will say that there's's an alien spaceship flying over the forest, shooting laser beams at the forest to burn them down.

Whereas someone that's more rational, look at the evidence, look at the backburning policy, look at the tinder collecting policy, look at the way that the water's been privatized and put into the mines and the Chinese farming. And then see it from that logical point of view excuse me this coffee's so strong now I can't even breathe properly you know when you have really strong coffee and it brings like tightens your throat that's what I'm suffering from at the moment anyway so that's the logical view now I'm not saying there aren't um satellites with those energy weapons on a courser that's that's provable weapons technology that the military have but they don't need to use that to light these fires you know do you know much about emf weapons and no i don't oh you should look into

that it's amazing what they can do well they're using them domestically now you got the denial of what's it called denial of something uh weapon so they'll take it to protest now it's like this radar dish and if you're protesting they'll fire in an emf beam at you to move you away and it will like basically cook you i don't think i've seen that but i know i've seen something from something similar um it was i don't know what it was called but basically it'd be this big radar disc and it would play this like really really um intolerable tone that you would have to get away from like one direction or something like that well so justin bieber well maybe not that bad but um it would be like this very specific frequency that your ears just cannot tolerate you would have to leave the area i yeah i know

they're using it during the um early portland protests i don't remember what it was called though yeah um denial i don't know if it's called denial of service um it's denial of something if you type it into google you should pop up i'll do that now i've not even got a browser open uh let me open a browser and i'll talk about some 5g stuff everyone loves 5g conspiracy theories do you know loves 5G conspiracy theories. Do you know what? I hate conspiracy theories. I really hate them. Because when you have something factual, conspiracy theories take that away from the fact. So obviously, if you want to keep something hidden, you create conspiracy theories to keep it hidden, because then everyone just associates what you're talking about with a conspiracy theory.

Like if you talk about Something that's truthful. They'll go. Oh you heard that off David Icke or something like that and then everyone thinks you're a loony Right, so let me denial of service do you know You'll probably end up finding the research style of service, you'll probably find the internet denial of service attacks. Yeah, I think that's where I'm getting confused with that. There's going to be a million results here. Yeah, good luck finding it. And it's because I'm thinking about it that i'm not remembering it because usually it just rolls

off my tongue denial oh sod it i can't be bothered i'll just gloss over it while i'm talking to you i'll multitask um yeah so 5g everyone loves 5g now this is one of those things that if you talk about people get really angry because everyone wants a 5g now this is one of those things that if you talk about people get really angry because everyone wants a 5g phone they love emfs emfs are so you know useful but they're also highly dangerous and they go but it's non-ionizing radiation and that's the straw man argument that's the diversion technique because it's not the dna damage that's going to cause you the problem with a 5g because it's non-ionizing it's the way that it disrupts your um your cells and how your cells communicate and you can get cell damage from

that not DNA damage but cell damage and it's quite easy to visualize some of this stuff you've got to think we are electrical beings we're mostly water and we send impulse electrical impulses to communicate you know to move our muscles they don't just move on their own you've got to send electrical impulse so when you're sending electrical impulse through the air this is going to disturb your own you know you're an electrical circuit it's a bit like a what's it called a champ i think they're called in the military they send these they're like bombs with with high energy microwave blasts in them and they can knock out a whole city even

off all their electrical devices You mean EMP? Yeah, well it is an electromagnetic pulse. Oh, is it like specific technology that you're talking about here? Yeah, it's called like CHAMP or something I forget all the acronyms So, but that, we're also electrical circuits like a computer

is so they knock us out as well so and you can see um some well i'll give you an example of a of the big conspiracy theory that's going around at the moment that um 5g on the 60 gigahertz frequency can kill you can make you fall down the street and die and people go oh it's a conspiracy theory but it's not and you can visualize it using some basic you'll try not to laugh i can see i am yes this is quite amusing to me so here's a way to visualize it from a from a kind of like a layman's point of view what is your what is your blood made of? Iron among other things. Yeah, so you've got iron in your blood. What is an EMF? What does EMF stand for? Electromagnetic frequencies, is that it? Yeah, okay.

Magnetism, and there can be quite powerful magnetism in these frequencies, and iron. What happens when you these frequencies and iron what happens when you have magnets and iron what happens well the iron would be attracted to the magnets yeah but also you can you know if you get a magnet you rub it on metal it can magnetize it sure it can you know you can make it spin in a positive or negative direction it can be positively charged or negatively charged same thing happens to the hemoglobin or the um the iron in your blood so then it can no longer bond to the um molecules it needs to in order to absorb that oxygen because the hemoglobin carries the oxygen because you've um on the 60 gigahertz frequency because you've basically altered the spin of the molecule or the electron

in the atom it can no longer bond your hemoglobin can no longer bond the oxygen to the places it needs to go to work so you die then of or you get hypoxia which is starvation of oxygen so that's how you can visualize it from a common sense point of view without having to be a conspiracy theorist. Now, there's a place in Australia where they actually test this. I think they call it Death Valley, and everything in the location of Death Valley has died. Death Valley is ringing a bell. I can't remember where that is. I'm really bad at remembering names, but I've got a terrible memory.

Now, that is Death Valley in California. Are you sure you're not thinking of that one? No, it's an Australian one. Maybe there's also a place in Australia called Death Valley. Map of Death Valley in South Australia, is that one? Yeah. Yeah. So it's a test facility where they've been testing commercial EMF frequencies, you know, with the transmitters they have and everything in the vicinity has died.

And so it's like this black line of where it is. Yeah. So it's really worrying. It's not conspiracy theories. I mean, obviously, you get the conspiracy theories that say really wild stuff and throw everyone off the track. But the stuff that you can think of just from, you know, biology lessons and you can say oh yeah maybe that's not a good idea rona is caused by 5g oh i'm gonna send you something on that let me just get this up so that's the one that everyone laughs at don't they yes but you know do you know who is who's one of the biggest pushers of this idea you know who is one of the biggest pushers of this idea? Who's one of the biggest pushers of this idea? You'll never guess who it is. I'm going to send it to you first before you actually...

I'm going to say Bill Gates. That's the answer everyone seems to give right now. For anything bad in the world, it's just Bill Gates. Bill Gates. Yep. Bill Gates. There are a lot of people it's just Bill Gates. Bill Gates. Yep. Bill Gates. Whoa. There are a lot of people really obsessed with Bill Gates.

Yep. Well, Bill Gates is part of a network, and that network is very profit-driven for vaccines. And there's a thing called pathology of commerce. It's quite an evil thing that exists within plc's specifically and if you do a psychometric test on a plc it's always comes back as psychopathic because that's the nature of a plc it's there to satisfy its shareholder and it doesn't care about anything else it's very psychopathic so you're a vaccine company and you're a PLC, a psychopathic PLC.

You're going to be making decisions that suit your shareholder, not what is wrong and what's right. They'll do what they can do to get away with it. The whole pharmaceutical industry is kind of, it's a very weird industry because you've got all this money tied up in, all of these financial interests tied up in... Basically, whether someone lives or dies. Yeah, I mean, if you think about it from a logical point of view,

a pharmaceutical industry makes money if you're ill. It doesn't make money out of curing you. So it's counterproductive for them to want to cure you. They want to keep you a customer. And if you're a PLC and your psychometric test is saying you're psychopathic, you don't care whether people live or die. You care about whether people whether they make money off you. So think about that. And we've got history to back us up on how evil that is. I'm multitasking at the moment. I'm going to lose my mind for a second.

I'm trying to get this coronavirus thing up for you on my computer. So I'm on a backup computer. It's so slow. Excuse me. I should really put this on my desktop rather than getting out of the message I sent someone. Oh, this coffee is so strong strong my muscles are shaking now you know you know when you have so much coffee coffee your muscles are shaking that's what i'm like at the moment where is it where is it i hate it's on a facebook message i hate facebook it's just so well if you can't find it i've got something else fun that we can talk about.

How dumb the Queensland-New South Wales border is. Oh, it's really dumb. So you'll say... Because I live on the border of it. My sister lives on the other side of it. I've not seen her for nearly a year now. Well, I'll send you something. We might come back to that one. but I'll send you something for now.

So that's... Sure. That's on the wrong screen. What is that showing? Why is that showing that? What does that even... I don't even have that window open. Library not... where is... That one? There we go okay one second one second I turn my air conditioning off it's getting cold oh good okay listen to this link so the reason I turn my camera away is because I've doubled in size this year so I don't want to be on camera.

It's all good. So I've sent you the coordinates to a point along Tomlin Mountain Road. Okay, let me just open that one. So people are seeing it on screen right now. This is a section of the road where the road... you don't even have to turn or anything. You just go straight and you cross back and forth across the New South Wales and Queensland border as you are driving down the road. Yeah, we've got those up around here as well. And they say that if you cross it by mistake,

you've got to self-isolate for 14 days. Yeah, in this point, you cross it for about, what, a minute I reckon. Yeah it's 20 meters, 20 meters of the border. Absolutely ridiculous. I'm just waiting for my computer to load this now, put it into satellite mode. This is very close to where I am at the moment. It's literally a couple of kilometers away. Well, yeah, I saw you were close to the border and then just scrolled down a bit and saw if I could find something dumb. I didn't realize it was this bad. Like I know this place is like border town, where border town is on the border of two states.

Like that's bad enough, but this road is just... It's just dumb i was driving it up it the other day with my girlfriend and there was all these like neon signs everywhere saying new south wales border i'm like well where is it we don't know so we carried on driving and then we saw on the other side of the road saying queensland border so we must have crossed it but there was no there was no sort of thing they just had these signs and the signs were a kilometer apart from each other but with no there was no guards there was nothing so i was like turn your phone off turn your phone off we were being tracked let's see if we can view this in um satellite i yeah it's so i'm

showing on the screen right now basically as you drive down this road, there's just trees all around you. There's no indication you've crossed the border, nothing like that. It's just, you've crossed the border, now you're back in Queensland again. It's absolutely stupid. And in my opinion,

the whole thing is designed to annoy people on purpose, to push the vaccine. This is all about selling vaccines selling vaccines i mean we could go much deeper than that and i think this has got an even deeper agenda no no crazy stuff actually less crazy than the vaccine one but the vaccine one's the oh now my computer's crashing it obviously can't deal with the video video conferencing they're trying to shut you down yeah my conspiracy theories even uh we'll wait on that one facebook always crashes chrome for me i'm on a backup computer at the moment it's really it's about eight years old because my workstation and i've not replaced it yet um yeah so i now forgotten what i was saying what was i saying um oh yeah about the other agenda so the vaccine um agenda well that's an obvious one it's profit driven and if you look at like

in the uk um what's his name valence the health secretary who's been pushing the covid 19 pandemic pandemic whatever you call it um He's got shares in the vaccine companies. Of course he's going to push it. So what they want to do is they want to make life uncomfortable for you, but they'll say, ah, but if you have your vaccine, you can go back to normal. And that's where criminality comes into it. And that's why they're being taken to court to the, well,

I think it's the world courts are going to be taking it to some of the biggest lawyers in the world because it's the world courts are going to be taking it to some of the biggest um lawyers in the world because it's criminal what they're doing but basically coronavirus or covid19 is either no more harmful than influenza or less harmful so what they're doing is not proportionate they've broken every human right going they They've broken the Australian and the British Constitution multiple times for what seems to be political and corporate agendas, you know, the vaccine and bringing in more measures to try and control people.

Well, if you look at Victoria, for example, the amount that they've shut down that state is i'm pretty sure it's been shut down longer than even places like china were yeah yeah china's up and running normally now that fits into a actually i won't go into that one it's too rabbit hole and this is a thing like if you look at plato's cave unless you understand those points i'm making it sounds crazy and you know fair enough unless you've been down that hole that rabbit hole it's not going to make much sense and it will sound crazy everything sounds crazy until you know about it and that's what i try and do with my research i want to actually give

real i don't want to say oh i think this or i think that i want to say the evidence says this this is the research paper on it this is you know what the american government or the british government actually said about it so i always try to be factual but i say i don't want to be one of those crazy conspiracy theorists who's saying there's green lizards running the world you know because that takes away from what is actually happening you know who knows maybe there are green lizards running the world i have no idea and i've got no evidence to support that so as far as i'm concerned there's no point even going down that road it just sounds stupid if anyone's a lizard zuckerberg is a lizard. Look, have you seen that man drink water? Well, and he looks like Commander Data from Star Trek.

Wait, no, my favorite one was the newest weird picture of him. Did you see the picture where he put sunscreen on? No, no. I'm going to find it because it is amusing. Give me one second. I don't know why my computer's not working for Facebook. It just keeps crashing. I'm really annoyed now. Sunscreen. This man does not know how to apply sunscreen. Here we go. Yep, that'll work.

Actually, that's not even going to work because that link's not even good enough. Okay, we'll try that again. Start page doesn't do links properly. Here we go. Here's a better one. Is that not photoshopped? No, no, he just covered his face completely in sunscreen and didn't like like rub it in or anything. Is he on one of those electric surfboards?

I think that's what it is. I love those things, they're so expensive though, they cost more than a jet ski. Wow. Yeah I think I would fall off after like two minutes. Maybe not, maybe after like ten seconds. And in Australia you can would fall off after like two minutes. No, you wouldn't, Matt. Maybe after like ten seconds. And in Australia you can't fall off because you get eaten by a shark. That's fair, yeah. Or you'll get like murdered by a box jellyfish. Yeah, yeah. Well I went swimming with the box jellyfishes up in Cairns, they're quite nice.

You can't even see them, they're so small and they're transparent yeah it's part of the reason why they're so dangerous yeah definitely doesn't know what a box jellyfish is because everyone talks about all the animals that like can kill you on land in this country but the ocean's just as bad why are you doing that let Let me just quickly sort out this Chrome problem I'm having. Obviously, the chat we're having at the moment has taken up all my memory or something. It's just not working. I'm going to restart it. Yeah, it's all good.

Yeah, so this thing, it's a jellyfish, but it's a very dangerous jellyfish. And, yeah, just don't go in the water. Don't go on land. Don't go in the water don't go on land don't go in the water uh sky is probably dangerous yeah you get like swooped by a magpie or something just i see why people what what's that town where people live underground where they live underground in australia, I think it's in the Northern Territory. Oh right, I've not heard of it. It's a mining town. Because it's really hot

and they will die if they don't. Yeah, fair enough. At least in the past, before like air conditioning and stuff. But obviously they've kept doing it because it's just sort of the thing that's happened. Yeah. Yeah. One second. Underground town.

I should know what this is called. Wombles? Cooper P. They live underground? Hmm? Oh, yeah. Yeah, the town is Cooper P, if anyone? Oh, yeah. Yeah, the town is Kooperpedie, if anyone...

Sorry? Wimbledon Common, where the Wombles live. But the town, if anyone who cares, is just called Kooperpedie. It's a cool town. Haven't been there, but it looks pretty cool. And it's pretty safe. What is it? They've built tunnels.

Sorry? They've built actual tunnels. Yeah, basically they've tunneled out places where they can put rooms and stuff. And I think now it's mainly just being used for restaurants and stuff. I don't know if it's still being used as an underground town because people are obviously now living above ground

because we have air conditioning. So I think it's more of a tourist attraction at this point but i'm not 100 sure right right i've got it now the browser working i'm gonna send you this right first of all have you heard of the NIH the NIH it's ringing a bell the National Library of Medicines, the National Centre for Biological Information it's basically the US government's research

facility so I'm going to send you a screenshot I took from their webpage and then after reading that you might want to understand why people keep thinking that 5G and coronaviruses are linked. Let's see. In a search we show that 5G mm waves can be absorbed by dermatologic cells acting like antennas, transferred to other cells and play the main role in producing

the rona. In biological cells, DNA is built from charged electrons and atoms that have an inductor-like structure. The structure could be divided into linear, toroid, and round inductors. Inductors interact with external electromagnetic waves, move and produce some extra waves within the cells. The shapes of these waves are similar to the shapes of hexagonal and pentagonal bases of the dna sources these waves provide some holes in liquids within the nucleus to fill these holes some extra hexagonal and pentagonal bases are produced these bases could join to each other and form virus-like structures such as the rona to produce these viruses within a cell it is necessary for the wavelength of the external waves to be shorter than the size of the cell.

And this is published on pubmed.gov. Yep. So now, when you see that, you can start seeing why maybe there's some truth in this stuff. Let's see if we can find it. They've removed it

now. They even removed the Wayback Machine. So when they removed it, I said, it was there. Look, here it is on the Wayback Machine. Then they went to the Wayback Machine and removed it from there too. I found some other stuff on here as well that's really concerning. Mm-hmm. Now, don't forget this is the most prestigious website or, shall I say, organization. This is who Tony Fauci used to work for. He headed it.

This isn't some, you know, weird conspiracy theory site. This is the US government's official research institute. I'll share with you the other stuff I found in a second. I'll share with you the other stuff I found in a second. And if you look at what makes up human cells, how human cells work and interact, this makes sense. But what they do is that they put fake conspiracy theories out there. They put loonies out there to say these wild things which are kind of like along these lines. So then when you do talk about it even though there are factual things behind this everyone's going to dismiss you when they say oh you're crazy you're this you're that such is life you know like um when who was

it who discovered that the earth was round and then they tried to kill him the government wanted to kill him for saying the earth was round it's not flat uh i don't know i can't think of the name it's just the dogma of things isn't it people don't like to be upset with the way of thinking so rather silence it rather than accept it um let me find you this other one so well before i find it so this is called SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus our coronavirus is what the majority of the flu-like illnesses you get every year are usually coronaviruses they're responsible for your colds and stuff so SARS-CoV-2 is just what we it's just very similar to what we get anyway but they're saying it's novel so novel means new it's a new discovery SARS-CoV-2 is novel now there's no actual evidence to back that up by the way which is what part of this court case is going on about the whether

taking all this to court because it's a scam they're saying um so if it's novel then why let me try and find it because my browser's been so slow so if it's new there should have been no cough 2 before this they wouldn't have known about it correct so i'm pausing while my browser loads oh this i need to get a replacement so quickly. Okay. It's so slow. Talk about something else while I'm finding it. Let's see. Okay, so the Australian time zones are an absolute mess. Like, actually a mess. So, right.

Now, this is going to sound weird to anyone who lives somewhere that's sensible. But in South Australia, we have a half-hour time zone. Same with Northern Territory. But, okay, so my time zone is, at least before Daylight Savings time, is UTC plus 930. Same as the Northern

Territory. But the Northern Territory, they don't observe Daylight Savings time. So right now, even though for half the year we're on the exact same time zone, now, because of half the year we're on the exact same time zone now because of daylight savings it's now utc plus 10 30 which lines us a bit more up with places like queensland and victoria and all that but now we're also two and a half hours out from Western Australia. So if you drive across a five metre line, your clocks change two and a half hours, which makes no sense. There is I don't think there's any thought put into these time zones at all.

Yeah, when we had a guest stay over a couple of years ago and we're driving through the city and we changed like an to an hour different time zone they were like what's going on this is just so well they couldn't understand it i can't understand it oh yours is even worse yeah yeah like i can drive through my own city and the time zone changes well gold coast airport you land in one time zone, and then you go through the, what do you call it? Oh, I've forgotten what it's called. What do you call it?

Where you, your terminal. Yeah. You walk through your terminal, and then you're in another time zone. So you land in one time zone and exit through another. So people are always getting their pickup times wrong because they've set it on the wrong clock. Absolutely crazy. So they say it's to keep the cows happy what about keeping people happy did that site load me

did I send I didn't realize you'd sent it you'll have to excuse me coughing a lot at the moment the coffee's destroyed me and i'll still drink it now it's all good uh here yeah okay there we go we've got it it's not loading for me it says it can't be reached they must have banned me from it or something try again now um have a look on that i can't see it but i i can see it in my memory click on it and can you see where sarcov2

okay so look at the date of that study yeah it's 2008 so if it's novel why did they know about it in 2008? I would assume that it's a different strain of the Cov-2. I don't think that's how it works, because H1N1 was SARS-CoV-1. So this is a novel one, so they've decided to call it SARS-CoV-2, because it's new and novel. I do not have the expertise to read through this paper to explain. I've sent it to people including my father who's a doctor as well and no one can get back with an answer.

Now the other thing on that document, can you see SARS Cov 3? I can see that, yes. Is that Pandemic 2 that Bill Gates was talking about? He said this one we're calling pandemic one and he was talking about australia not having many deaths he said but i think it will be different when we see pandemic or pandemic two so i'm wondering whether sars-cov-3 is pandemic

three now that is a conspiracy theory i'll admit that i'm just putting it out there what is sars-cov-3 i'd like someone to tell me what sars-cov-3 is and how they knew about sars-cov-2 in 2008 because like you i don't have that medical expertise to answer that question and no one has got back to me with an answer as i said i'm not a doctor. I definitely can't be the one to give you that answer. Don't you agree that looks really odd? Well, the way I would look, with having no knowledge of it whatsoever, I would assume that what we're seeing now

is a different strain of SARS-CoV-2. I couldn't tell you if that's how they... If they always name it in a numeric order like that, or if it's actually different, I don't know. That's not my field of expertise at all. I'll go along if it's actually different i don't know that's not my field of expertise at all i'll go along with that one because i don't know and that seems like the most logical explanation so i'll go along with that one but we don't know let's hope let's hope that's all it is but yeah the um the 5g one from the american government they're saying that 5g

creates coronavirus that's got to be one to take note of. They're actually saying it in black and white. Well, once again, without having the ability to read that paper, because obviously, as you said, it was pulled down, I couldn't tell you anything about it. They also did the same for the false positive on the PCR test. So early on, they had the false positive for the pcr 85 up to 85 so then everyone was saying this is stupid why take a pcr test if it's 85 so they hid that one as well they

got rid of it said oh no it's no longer there getting rid of that one so every time that you can prove using their own literature that something's wrong, they hide it. That's always a cause for concern, isn't it? I mean, that is corruption. If they're saying, no, it's wrong, well then add that to the paper. Don't just hide it. Anyway, enough conspiracy theorists.

Let's get into library stuff. Yeah, I will not clip any of that. I'll just let someone... They'll just start watching it, and that happens for an hour. Oh, I can't even breathe at the moment from this coffee. I'm going to roll, though. Let's see. Most of my topics on here are about library anyway i think where we left

off with library was about the um channel quality score so we talked about using followers as a score and um so what were the other metrics that were being considered to actually you know filter out channels because we have seen obviously in the past where there have been these channels with one view and 20 000 subscribers and those it's got seems to have gotten better now but there's still obviously those channels that do exist yeah so if you if you go onto the info panel or the info link in the top menu. Yes, there we go. I've just got it on like half my screen right now,

so it's in like the hamburger menu. Yeah, then you go to criteria. Uh-huh. And then it's got it there. Should really put that in a more obvious place. It's a bit hidden away, but that basically sums up how it was calculated. I'm just going to put it on mute.

I'm just going to put it on mute and quickly go to the kitchen because I'm struggling to breathe because this coffee was really rocket fuel and I'm struggling to even talk at the moment. It's all good. I'll go have a read through this. Okay. So just give me two seconds. How do I mute?

I can't see mute. Yeah, you're good. So to qualify for the Librarianomics top table, a channel must meet at least one of the following three sets of criteria. At a total of at least 20,000 LBC staked towards the channel and or its content at least one non repost a views per follower ratio of one or more so and an LBC per ratio an LBC per follower ratio at least 0.2, so if each follower has given at least 0.2 LBC Wait what and an LBC per ratio wait what? oh so views per follower

so every follower has if you were to divide your views by your follower count you would get at least 0.2 yeah there we go an LBC per follower ratio of at least 1 so every follower has given at least one LBC. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, that's a bit better. Seriously, that coffee's too strong. I shouldn't have had that much. Yeah, no, that's a bad idea. Yeah, it is. Like, have you ever had Pro Plus? Pro? No. it's a caffeine and like they're so strong if you take it you can't even walk properly it's so strong and like you start wobbling everywhere it's

a bit like that at the moment yeah i try to avoid for the most part drinking coffee and things like that like this is why i drink tea because i used to drink a lot of coffee like i'll have six or seven cups a day and the thing i noticed from that is that i was pretty much just hyped up all the time and i could never really sit down and relax properly yeah that's how i'm at the moment i'm usually quite good with coffee but that was way too strong right so what were we talking about the criteria yes yeah so um yeah so it's not the fairest criteria but sometimes you've got to be a bit mean in order to get the best results so there are some genuine people that are getting missed out um brendan said he's going to reduce that

down more and he might have actually i wonder if it's on 10 000 lpc now rather than 20 because that's quite high a lot of people especially people who want to use their lpc for you know to buy things uh they're not going to be registered on in the top 2000 and they might have good channel um so we are looking at making it excuse me we are making it look a bit we are going to make it more fair what else can we discuss about library

I was going to say what so you were saying also that maybe followers wasn't the best way to actually rank the channels. So what were the other methods that were being thought of to do that? Well, we discussed making a quality score. So it was the quality score. Yes. Okay.

Yeah. Right. Okay. I thought there was something else to that. Yeah. I mean, you could also rank it by views as well rather than followers. I mean, you could also rank it by views as well rather than followers because that's a fair metric. If you've got loads of views, that might be a better metric than how many followers you've got because you might be able to get followers but no one wants to watch your content. Well, another thing you have access to now is the like and dislike ratio, which I'm not sure how that's going to be used on the library platform itself. But now you have that information as well, you can actually make use of that

as part of your quality score as well. Yeah, I was going to put a new metric on that one and put another column in for the ratio of likes to dislikes. But we've got so many columns now, it's hard to fit on mobile devices and so many are on mobile. Well, I'm running this right now on half of my screen, and I can't see the final column. Yeah, it's really difficult. Some of the things I'm thinking about doing are concatenating the URLs. Is that the word? Concatenating? Concatenating?

Yeah. So after, say, 10 characters, it's dot, dot, dot. Uh-huh. But only on certain screen sizes, because at the moment, it's still kind of trying to squeeze it all in, and it doesn't always work. In fact, let me put that down as a to-do,

because I think that will be really helpful on the smaller screens. Well, one thing i'm noticing that it was it was cool early on but i've noticed that there is starting to be a few too many tags for channels so you've got like obviously the new channels not safe for work but then i've noticed that like you have the dollar vigilante team on there as well and vip and friends and family and it seems like we're sort of getting to the point where there's a bit too many of them. Yeah I mean I didn't want to put too this is um to make it more interesting to make people want to look at it because it's got a tag there more interesting but at the same

time we didn't want too many tags now the reason I put the the dollar vigilante team on there is he's been pivotal. Can't even say that word, pivotal. Pivotal? Pivotal on promoting library. You know, he's the owner, the founder of the biggest crypto or blockchain conference in the world, Anarchapoco. He's got a really popular YouTube channel. He knows VIPs. He knows Ron Paul. He knows famous people belinda carlisle um so he's got a he's got a really good reach so i thought you know

he's done a lot for library we should do a lot for him as well you know giving him highlights and with the old news part as well i didn't want to put different categories on there, you know, like news or crypto, because it will get too busy. But I thought the main purpose really for library is for an alternative opinion that isn't accepted in, say, YouTube. And that's the alternative news people. They're the ones getting kicked off. So I thought it's good to highlight those as well, because that's the use case for library. So that's why I've done those two i can't imagine we're going to add any more than those tags because we'll get too so it's kind of like the balance i thought was best and i obviously have the library inc tag as well just so you can show like the official library channels

yeah now people have complained about library being at the top they say it's a bad look um scammers revolt says that um it's a bit like youtube being at the top of their list but it's like should we filter that out because obviously they're going to be the top it's automated you know should we filter out library well i'm working on a system now where if you click a tag it will get rid of all other channels other than that have that tag okay and i might build into it that by default it doesn't show library and that you've got to click the library key tag in the key at the bottom in order to show them so i'm thinking about something like that because yeah it's not organic follows on

library so they don't they shouldn't really be there because they're automated well yeah they have a three hundred and fourteen thousand subscribers right now it's just like do you though yeah but if you look at um who is it there's someone that's just popped out of nowhere and just completely destroyed bitcoin triple x is that what you're talking about uh well let me rank it by followers oh you but okay the followers in the follower change i think it is they're now beating library for follower change oh Oh! Sorry?

I'm so wrong, doesn't it? Salty Cracker. Oh, Salty Cracker. Oh, that one. Yeah, so it's got like almost double what Library's getting, and Library's automated. I'm not sure how that works. Uh, I don't know. Is this one of the... I don't know, maybe.

Is this a legit channel or something? I don't know. It is. It's trying to think back to what was said about it. I've not researched it too much, but I think they had a promo with Library or something. But I'm trying to work out how they got so many subs because for every sub they get or follower,

Library should get a follower as well so how come they've got a higher follow rate than library so maybe library isn't automated anymore or maybe it never was i don't know um yeah i don't know i don't know how that actually works obviously they do have the most subscribers on the platform but i don't know if it's automated or not it could be so i was under the impression that when you sign up you automatically subscribe But I don't know if it's automated or not. It could be. So I was under the impression that when you sign up, it automatically subscribes you to the library channel. Yeah, that would make sense.

If that's true, then Salty Cracker's follower count can't be higher than library. Well, right now it's still lower. There's only 17,000 followers, but the rate has grown. I'm talking about the follower change over seven days. Ah, okay, yeah. And that's how you would judge how many are being added. Right, right. So that should be an impossible number, if it's automated in the library. If you get

my point. Yeah, no, I get exactly what you're saying yeah unless people on the platform are somehow finding this channel yeah it's sorry just um just to skip back when you're sorting this by the way you're gonna have some funny results coming through because we've actually got the top 2000 on this now but it's hidden but when you sort they come in okay oh yeah i see that you're the first i was working on this um before this podcast which is why i was late getting to it because i was all in a mess in my head i was like oh the sorting's not working because i wanted it before the top 500 but in order to do because i was all in a mess in my head i was like oh the sorting's not working because i wanted it to report the top 500 but in order to do that i've got to write a lengthy

script that loads the json data in dynamically at the moment it's loading it all in and then i'm i'm hiding the rest of it with some css so when you're sorting it's still looking at the rest of the json which is there it It's hidden with the CSS. So that's why there's a sorting problem. So I've got to go back and I've got to reprogram it in the JavaScript to say only load in the first 500. Then I'll do a load more button. Then it will load in the rest of it. I will put a load more button on before I do that so that it loads in what's hidden by the CSS.

But in order to do it properly, so it sorts correctly, I'll need to do a more complex JavaScript function to run that one. There's a lot of things I need to do to improve it, but I think that's going to be priority. I'm looking at the rank change right now, and you scroll down the list and it goes 164, 165, 1104. Yeah, it's pretty crazy at the moment um so just think of it at the moment that that's a top 2000 channel but the others are hidden at the moment so

that's why it's being a bit funny and the reason it's hidden is because there's so much data there on many devices they can't cope yeah um because there's so much data there. On many devices, they can't cope. Yeah. Because it's too much information. It just becomes slow and unresponsive. That's the downside of that. If you're on a modern computer, no problem. But even my device can't cope with it very well.

Yeah, it seems to be fine on this desktop. But on my laptop, I did notice that it used to at least be a little bit slow from time to time. Yeah, there's a lot of data that and chrome is such a hog with resources so it's never very well now in newer versions of chrome they've got this really good new um feature they've brought in that you can add and i need to experiment with this but it's a render um it's a render. I think it's I can't remember. It was a CSS property or an HTML property. It was one of the two. But you can basically specify areas on your website to render. So you can say, well, this page, this part of the page isn't going to be seen. Someone scrolls down to it. So don't render it um not it's not a lazy load or anything like that

it's just don't render it okay for any item you don't want it won't render it as in you know with the memory and all that kind of stuff i'm presuming it works different from like a hidden then yeah because it's gonna come it's gonna show as soon as you scroll or get close to scrolling it i'm gonna i'm not i think it's gonna think that you're just about to scroll into view and show it as quickly as possible let me have a look chrome oh what did i say it was called um it was only introduced um a couple weeks ago chrome oh i can't remember anything at the moment. I'm not going to be able to find it.

Okay, my multitasking skills aren't good enough. But if you go into release notes, it's in there. And on one of their release videos, they talk about it. It's really good that I need to put that in. And that might solve a lot of the problems. Yeah, hopefully it does. Because I do want to see this website actually getting more use. Because it is a really awesome tool.

Yeah, and there's so much more we can do with it. The reason we don't do more than what we do do, or I don't, anyway, Brendan gets really stressed with me, is because I've got my own business, I've got my own stuff to do, so I can't always spend so much time on this and i don't count myself as a programmer i count myself as a developer so when i'm doing the programming it's you know i'm not um what would you say i'm not someone that can just go ah and stick it together in you know five minutes what takes a program of five minutes is going to take me an hour because i'm not fluent in programming i know how to program i know exactly what to do but it's slow for me i'm like oh why isn't that working then i realize i've got to use a slightly different function i've used a constant instead of a let or something like that um so

there's that slowness as well and my uh my uh tagline is the least coding i have to do the better i'm not one of those vim master race people you know you know i will use wordpress if it saves me time i will use it i'm not going to code it from the ground up freehand because i want to show off that i can do it because it doesn't make any business sense the least time you have to spend on something um the more that it's already done for you the better because why waste your time reinventing the wheel so that's how what I try that's why I built it on WordPress rather than doing it you know I mean the library nomics table for instance is my own code and it's inside wordpress i'm not using wordpress widget for it or anything like that but i'm using it in wordpress because there's so many things you can do with wordpress that people have done as plugins and stuff like that and then you can

utilize that to bring what you've done into you know to get it more features um yeah so there was something else i was going to say and i've forgotten it now yeah that's it so there's a lot more we want to do but we we don't always get around to doing it because time constraints there is another sub project that you've probably seen which is running on another website called library digital have you that one? I've looked at it like a few months back. I didn't... Like when it was first being talked about. But I haven't looked at it since then. Because there wasn't really much going on at that time.

What's the link to the website? Library.digital. Okay. Because I tried to search for it in the start page, couldn't find it. There we go. Yeah. Uh, LibraryDigital, the ultimate library ecosystem. Okay, there's still not much going on here. Yeah, so librarynomics. I built everything into that, librarynomics and everything. I've now linked librarynomics back to the main site because I had time to continue with library digital at the moment.

So what that was doing, it was incorporate library social, library hub, librarynomics all into one platform rather than having a separate. Reasons for that is when you when it's under one area it's better for marketing you don't have all these things it's cheaper to run it means i didn't have to run three or four different services especially when it's a cms on my server taking up all these resources i could have them all there i only needed one domain name so i could cut back on so many costs because this is um not profit we don't we don't even get um donations or anything we don't get any foundation funding nothing it's all done out of my own pocket same for at brendan's side he's running his you know servers and

everything out of his own pocket is there any reason why you guys don't actually set up just a patreon or something to fund it well i'm sure there are people who would be interested in donating to it yeah we've got um a donate section on the bio it's hidden away we're not we're not putting any big um pay for us things on there we might do in the future i'm not really someone that likes asking for money you know i do this for a passion rather than for money. Well, I don't do it for money at all, which is why when the foundation refused our funding, I wasn't bothered. And in many ways, I'm kind of glad it got refused because to be political about it, when you start receiving funding from an organization, you kind of become subservient to them you've got a can't criticize them oh you took money from us now you're criticizing us you know it becomes very

political and i had this discussion with brendan uh many months ago saying i don't want library to be part of the foundation because if you know you have a political dispute with library or the foundation it can affect that and i don't want it to be affected you know like we found with library social when there was a funding dispute that popped up and then well i'm paying for this and you're you're not funding it i'll take it down because you know why should i pay for something to advertise your business if you're not funding it so i took it down for 48 hours and everyone went ballistic oh you've taken it down which yeah fair enough i should have discussed it with everyone first rather than pulling it but um it was never intended to go down permanently anyway i just need to switch it on to a cheaper plan because it was costing me a

lot of money had it on a very expensive server. So I just shifted it over. I took LibraNomics onto its own URL and on a cheaper server, which turned out to be a better server, actually, so it was good. And that went back up just after a day. I think it was less than 48 hours anyway. And then not long after that,

LibrarySocial went back up, which is kind of not a thing at the moment everyone went their own way too much politics within library oh there's there's definitely too much politics inside the library there's there's way too much baggage with uh a lot of the people who've been around for a long time yeah i mean we're both very critical about library but this is the problem we are critical about library because we care about library. That's the point you'll find all the people that do the most stuff for library are also the most critical of library and you'll find the people that

are the most subservient and the most you know you know they suck up to the library people the most are the people that do the least. You know, and I think that's important for library to understand is that people aren't moaning about library because they're horrible people and they want to be a nuisance. They're moaning about library because they care about it. Yeah, and the reason why I'm like, that's the reason why back when there was a lot of problems with the monetization system, that one.

Back when that was going down like once a month or multiple times a month, I would be on Tom's case about it the second it happens. Because that is not a good look for your company. If you want businesses to operate on on library you have to make sure the funding is working yeah or you've got things like when the light of the thumbnail system were broken for like two months or whatever it was yeah 100 and i think it's critical that people do moan and i i ask people to moan about librarynomics and anything i do i beg them to moan because it's their moaning that makes me make it better yeah like with the library um social site when it first started it was this green color it's library green and it looked a bit weird and

um michael hebo mh was like it looks like a fisher price site you know change it MH, was like, it looks like a Fisher-Price site, you know, change it. And I was like, it took him to tell me that for me to realize it. And then I realized that. Then I went and experimented with different colors and people like the blue color. And now that blue became the color and everyone really liked it and it made it so much better. But without people moaning at me, I wouldn't have made that change. people moaning at me i wouldn't have made that change so fundamental um the fundamental part of making your product better is getting that criticism so but you know expecting people to be nice with criticism is unrealistic when people criticize they usually do it in a fairly mean way because that's natural when you're criticizing something you say oh this looks rubbish you don't say you don't usually sit down and work out the best way to say it you just want

to say it what comes naturally to a criticism so what i think libraries should do is when they see people moaning understand from that person's point of view they're not trying to be horrible they're not a nasty person they're concerned and it's just a very quick way to express your concern if that makes any sense speaking of other things about library that i'm critical of uh the new lbc logo what were they thinking like i i really like the design of Odyssey. Odyssey looks absolutely amazing. That LBC logo, though. Let's see if we can find it. It's a fun logo.

You know, it's something like, it looks quite artistic, but it has no representation to library credits at all. I'm just finding the old library credits logo. It's got a Z or an S in it, you know? Lightning strike right down the middle. They really need to update their brand package, because it's a pain to find the brand content for this platform as well

yeah i'm not going to strike that design it's a nice look it's just not appropriate for the library coin that's the way i look at it yeah yeah absolutely there we go it would be great to have something else i just don't think it should be for the for the library credits it doesn't make any sense there we go so something that was pointed out to me when i had aloes on the show is that it's not symmetrical either yeah that's really important you've got to make when you're advertising your product it's always going to be in social media and social media uh the area you have to display your logo is often circular so you've always got to make sure that your logo fits in a circular boundary not i can't remember what this logo looks like in its dimensions let me just load up odyssey now

or do you see does it fit in there's nothing like there's nothing about this that even really says library. These two things on the sides, they're like Bs, like the orange thing and the blue thing, they're Bs or something. Bs with a Z in the middle or an S in the middle. Saying the site

can't be reached, have I spelled that wrong? I know there were some designs that I think, was it you that posted them on the Librarynomics Discord? Or was it Brendan? One of you guys posted some designs that you guys had in the past. And those at least had some of the library character there. Yeah. Yeah, that was my design.

Okay, yeah. Basically, what I did is I was thinking about what is library or library credits it's based on the blockchain so i started off with a block then i cut a three dimensional block and then i cut the block into segments it's made three l's so it made like nice triangle of three l's in a block shape so the l's were library library credits and liberty and now we can extend that and we can have library credits library tv uh library app liberty all the l's were there so it had multiple reasons it was blockchain and it was um what the l stand for so have meaning behind it's so i had meaning behind

it's important to have meaning behind your logo and it's a good talk talking point as well good for marketing yeah um and i put it i put it on a circular background 2d background which was to represent a coin um and that was only my initial design i could have improved on it more i think it could have been a bit thicker and i think the background could have been a better color and this kind of stuff. But that was just the original design. But, yeah, I like that design. I preferred it than the – excuse me.

I preferred it than the – I liked the B design that they did, the LBC. I did like that it wasn't appropriate. You know the one that won the competition? design that they did, the LBC. I did like, but it wasn't appropriate. You know the one that won the competition? No, I don't... It was the green... I can see if I can get my brush to bring that up. I think I'm recalling

something. If I'm thinking of the right one, it basically didn't make sense as a logo for a project like this. Well, it kind of had meaning behind it, but I'm just going to send you the image now. I'm just waiting for it to load up. With the current... Sorry. One second.

I lock up when I multitask. Yeah, okay. While you're doing that, I was going to say, with the current... Okay, cool. With the current LBC logo, it's sort of like if you just... Imagine something like Twitch,

just a gaming streaming platform, and they have some sort of currency in that platform that you can donate to streamers that's sort of what I think of when I look at this logo the new one yeah the new one ah yes this one yeah it doesn't look very serious

and this one so when Doozan first published it he published it in the illustrator view with all the you know lines of you get an illustrator you designed you basically so it made it look fancy like that and i think that's what sprung it to win the competition but there's no real thought about where it's going to be put into this so here are the problems with this design it's not going to fit in your box or your circular social media or any type of

area it needs to be especially when it's a small kind of icon size it's it's difficult to see secondly it looks like a b so when people see this they see a b yeah it's got a kind of abstract view of an lbc in there but unless you know it's there you're not going to see it can you know it's there, you're not going to see it. Can you see it? I can see. I guess. Is that supposed to be the line on the left? Yeah. The B is the whole thing.

Sure. And the C is the cutout in the middle. So unless you know it's there, you're not going to know it's there. People looking at that are just going to think it's a B. And they're going to think, hang on, why is this LBC? It looks more like Bitcoin or something like that. So there's those two problems. It's a nice design.

I like the design of it. I like the cleverness of it. But it wasn't practical for what it was to serve. And it's the same for the current one as well. Well, the current one at least makes sense in the circular format. At least you can use it for that task it just doesn't have anything that says lbc about it yeah so i'm just loading that up now yeah so yeah it does fit in but like you say it just it looks like i don't know an art app icon or something you know downloaded off the apple store some sort of app for making

some sort of collage or something like that it doesn't look like lbc i can see maybe the thinking they were going for here it's a bit odyssey looking you know this crazy graphic design mentality um more playful and there are are some kind of crazy crypto logos looking a little bit like this. But it just doesn't quite cut it. Do I prefer it over the library logo? Probably.

Oh, the old logo was terrible for marketing. Have you tried putting it on a black background? Yeah. You can't see it at all. I know, unless you change the colour. Mm-hmm. And it's like a rectangle shape,

so it's really hard to fit it in those boxes. And the lines are very thin. Yeah, yeah, definitely needed to be thicker. I did have a play around with it a couple of years ago to try and make it look good in a box area, but then it didn't look quite right. The kind of like 3D look of it was couple of years ago to try and make it look good in a box area but then it didn't look quite right the kind of like 3d look of it was out of proportion so it was really difficult to get looking right um yeah but you know i don't want to be too critical because you've got to think

library isn't a design company they make you know they're computer programmers to make programs so i think they did well um without having those skills i think they did better than some companies might have done and it's good to see now that they've got the graphic designers in um yeah that's very that's very evident from what they've done with od recently. And it's a criticism I had from day one. I said, you've got to don't, developers shouldn't be trying to design. Let developers develop, get designers into design. I've been saying it since day one,

but I think Julian was the one that pushed that idea. Get the developers, get the designers into the designing, not the developers. Yeah. And I think the library can be quite stubborn with the way they think. No, we'll do it. But it's good to see, finally,

it's getting more like it should be in terms of graphic appearance. Well, before we end off, because I actually have to go in like 20 minutes, what are your thoughts on Odyssey at this point because I'm actually really liking the platform

although the website I guess because I'm more of a graphics person that's my area is graphics but not just graphics but graphic psychology is the area that I specialise in because I've studied psychology and graphics

and this really works from that point of view it's not perfect but it's really working you know striking those those points that you need to strike in order to get people interested from a more technical point of view it's a bit annoying at the moment but it's a working process because i can't do certain things i wanted to do now. Now, the reasoning, they said, is that they want to make it simple for people to use it without being overwhelmed. But there are things missing off it, which I think they should have had with it, like being able to see who's done the reposts.

When someone shares your stuff, it's nice to be able to see who's shared it. That's gone. So I don't know whether that's just a technical limitation at the moment, and that's why it's gone, or whether that's going to be a permanent thing. Also, the homepage, that's just a technical limitation at the moment and that's why it's gone or whether that's going to be a permanent thing also the the home page is it's random stuff that pretty much i have no interest in yeah you have to scroll down before you even get to see your following so they're probably thinking well this is what our general user wants to see. But I'm not sure if that's true.

I'm not sure. It's curated. They're trying to make it be appealing. I understand that. But I think there should be some sort of customization too, based on... My shock mount's basically broken, so if I touch it, it falls apart.

There we go. Yes, but overall, it's a big improvement. I wouldn't even say it's a big change it's just those important places have changed and library TV is following the suit. Mm-hmm. Well one of the things they could do with the advanced features is just have a setting in your settings menu that says activate advanced or activate power user mode or something something like that and then you can bring back those show the repost and the lbc count under a video and things like that 100% and that's what a lot of us have been saying have an advanced mode bring in all those features

that would be absolutely fantastic i hope they they do do that. That would be absolutely brilliant. One other thing I really hope they do... Yes? No, no, you continue. One other thing I hope they do is that either all of these features come to the library app, or we get an Odyssey desktop app, because I'm getting really annoyed

with having to come to the Odyssey website just to check my notifications. Yeah, same here. Now, I'm actually writing a browser plugin at the moment that solves this issue. Let me see if I can send you a screenshot of it. Let me send a screenshot. One second. Well, it kind of doesn't quite solve that problem at the moment but um oh it's breaking down let's wait for my computer to respond there we go um so the problem i had was that i wanted to view everything in say library tv or the other way around and it would

always be there'll be multiple links like if i'm on this page it's linking to odyssey or i'm in this page it's linking to um library tv whatever i want it always to open in the chosen um uh website or application so the plugin i'm making at the moment lets you decide what you want your default place for it to open in is going to be if you select library app every link you click it's going to search your web page and if it finds a library tv or odyssey link it's going to open it up in the app if you select it to be odyssey and it looks at the page and finds a library tv link it's going to change that to an odyssey link so you can select what your default app is going to be it's not quite what you were saying but that's going to be a bit better for keeping everything standardized i know this has been a

complaint for a very long time because people would like if you click on a library tv link in the desktop app it will take you to the website even though you're in the desktop app right now yeah yeah exactly um but yeah like you're having like if i want to check my likes keep going keep going to odyssey and now to check repost i've got to go into the apps and i've got to have the app open library tv and odyssey which is a paid backside so but i think it's a work in progress i don't think that's going to be something that they're going to keep like that i just think it's the way it's developing at the moment hopefully um but yeah with this plugin this this is something i really want to concentrate on but i've got so many other things in the way at the moment i'm going to do that switcher thing it's also going to have librarynomics built in so that when you're

on a library um video or content it's going to automatically recognize that in your URL and do a search for that and bring back all the statistics for that URL. It's also going to have a nice integrated graph, which is actually already in the plugin, but you can't see it because I've not linked it properly in the in the plugins background JavaScript. in the plugins background javascript it's not linked properly so it's not displaying but there's a little green graph that shows the library coin price so it's going to have all of that in i'm going to make it um so you've got a selection there so you can choose to hide or show those each individual sections and i'll probably move the switcher to a settings area rather than having it always as a setting but that's one that's in there without having to go to the um settings you know with a plugin you've got to go into a special settings area yeah i'm going to actually have the setting embedded into the actual drop down pop-up okay

but in a tabbed section a bit like on libanomics tabs so you can just click on the tab section say i want to change it to library app now rather than library TV and then it's going to show you always show you which one you've defaulted to so you know yeah so that's cool that actually does sound pretty awesome yeah and before we go

foundation we've got to talk about the foundation yeah I did see the clip you sent me where squid forgot what the ceo's name was and then gives some like really weird explanation about how he does not remember human names or something which i yeah i was like what are you saying just be like oh sorry i forgot your name like that i forget people's names all the time like that's that's all good but what was that what was that explanation i know yeah it's crazy well we just called jeremy jeffrey from that one that was oh yeah yeah most people probably haven't seen the clip basically because no one's watches the library

foundation podcast um i double their views. Anyway, he called the CEO of Library, Jeremy Kaufman, he called him Geoffrey. In a live podcast with Geoffrey. While his name was on the screen because they were in a live podcast, or they were in a call together.

I don't know. You've got to see the comedy side of it.'m not gonna oh it's definitely funny yeah it's really funny there's been a lot of things like that in the library um foundation podcast it's quite crazy i actually think that podcast is so pointless it's it's just full of most of the time it's just full of nonsense. It really is. I actually haven't watched a single episode of it. What do they even do in it? They just joke around, basically. It's a bit like this.

And that's great, you know. If you mess around, that's really good. But people go to that podcast because they want to know about library and the foundation, but usually it's just messing about and silly. 70 people. Yeah. Yeah. 78. foundation but usually it's just you know messing about and silly 70 people yeah yeah 78 oh i think it was 82 when i clicked on it actually yeah and they're boosting the numbers with um library support but um you can see from the interactions and the comments it's not got a great view on it

the same if you really structure your podcast and you've got something to say then you it can be a good thing but you've got to do it from a an organizational point of view you can't just go and there's like a bunch of kids laughing and joking that's not what it's about you're going to put people off it and potentially harm the brand brand they've got to make the podcast more sensible less joking around and messing about. Have structure to it. Have topics to talk about which are library related. And get, you know, good guests on instead of just listening to Dringo. Because I think that's what it is.

I think it's the Dringo show. Oh, well, there's also that. Dringo, isn't he the... What's his position? What does he get paid to do besides sit in Discord? $35 an hour. What's his official title does he get paid to do besides sit in discord what's his official title he's the director of the board something director of library board library foundation board and doesn't mention it in his twitter account at all well twitter account very interesting and it's

a it's a point i've made about dringo from for quite a while now he doesn't seem interested in library at all in the foundation server discord server he's hardly in there when he is in there he's just basically promoting his podcast he's not really doing anything then when people point this out he's saying oh there's lots of things going on behind the scenes and it's taking him like a year to write something for the uh foundation website you know some rules and stuff it's taking a good year to do that everything he's done you could do in a day but he's getting paid 35 an hour it's crazy now i don't mind people getting paid even getting paid over the top i don't i don't mind that but um it's not really a good thing because it's going to make other people annoyed you know it's going to make people envious it's going to make people feel not

appreciated so there's a psychological effect of doing that there's some people that do so much work and for the fan well for library not necessarily the foundation and they get nothing nothing at all they don't even get recognized and you get dringo who's pretty much nothing to do with library he doesn't he can't code he pretty much all he does is post a message in the server every so often and talk about library bid on his podcast that's the extent of it and got all this recognition he's got the foundation board member i don't even think he was voted in we'll get into that in a second um and he's getting paid 35 an hour i think it's absolutely ridiculous um yeah so the vote now at the time the vote does seem to be a bit of a joke with library

with our library foundation they just sort of do whatever they want to make up the rules as they go well the first vote was won by canna cannana's great. He's really good. You know, he's sensible and more... he's got a more professional attitude. He won the vote but then they said, oh the vote wasn't right, we've got to run it again. So they ran it again and I studied the results and I found that the vote wasn't a fair vote. There was... it's going back a, so I can't remember exactly, but I presented the evidence to the library that showed that Dringo didn't actually win. Or that if the vote was technically incorrect and therefore you couldn't decide a winner. And the reply I got back after presenting the evidence, which I did in detail, they said, oh, we'll know for next time. So I'm wondering whether there was this vote was tampered with purposely to kind of like direct the vote into the, you know, where they wanted it or whether it was an honest mistake.

Because I really don't know. But they should have done a re-vote for it to be fair. I really don't know. But they should have done a reboot for it to be fair. So the reason that Dringo was in a close position to the top anyway was my fault. When Dringo first joined the community last year, well, I think this year, last year, I can't remember now, I was pivotal. I can't say this word. Pivotal. Pivotal. I can't say this word, pivotal.

Pivotal? You're adding an extra syllable in there. Oh, dear. I was pivotal in getting him voted. I thought, well, look, he said he's written the Gridcoin white paper. He seems pleasant. Yeah, he's not doing much, but, you know, he's got these credentials behind him. This will be a good

look and i want and at the time we had people running to be on the board who were really like you just do not want those people on the board because they were we don't need to go into that we know who we're talking about here you know we don't want those type of people on the board. It would have been devastating. And Dringo was one of, and Kana, and maybe one or two more were good for the position. So I sent everyone a DM, a direct message saying vote for Dringo. He wrote the Gridcoin white paper. So I influenced the amount of votes he got. So I kind of feel responsible for jeringo even though the vote wasn't fair it would put him close enough to be able to win that vote even though it wasn't fair and i think that's my fault so when he gets voted in he changes he went from someone who seemed

quite reasonable and pleasant or albeit quiet into becoming the biggest monster the community has ever seen he just suddenly like i started getting these messages saying we need to talk we need to talk and michael got the same as well so i was like okay so uh we messaged each other he messaged me and he was like i want to know what's going on you know in this really dictatorial voice i was like, I want to know what's going on. And this really dictatorial voice. I was like, I knew straight away that he was gunning for trouble. And he was like talking to me like I was some sort of pleb. And he was some sort of emperor. And it was just so irritating.

You know, this person that's come out of nowhere knows nothing about libraries. Suddenly comes in with this kind of like really bad attitude and starts attacking, know the main members of the community have done so much for library it was just oh i just wanted to slap him so i was like oh my god this guy what's he on what's he on anyway so um i politely gave him some of his own medicine and the message back to him said basically f off i didn't obviously i did it in a polite way um he's obviously got small man syndrome you obviously he's probably listening to this but if you if you if you be like that you've got to expect the criticism i was very disappointed because i was hoping it was going to be someone good for the community but he's basically driven the community into the ground uh Desi professor who's an actual professor

came to the community it was really nice and he was greeted with a drinko message saying if you don't behave yourself you'll be met with consequences you know things like this got rid of Michael's roles basically put him off being part of the community so then michael ended up leaving travis who's absolutely great i love travis brilliant yeah the um the emoji emoji scandal that was dumb you know yeah it was silly um but it's funny silly you know it's not something you get uptight about you laugh about it that's funny you don't kick someone you don't ban someone for leaving emojis it was a 24 hour suspension well that's what it developed into when everyone kicked off it started off as a

and it turned into that they kept changing it to try and you know oh my god yeah travis travis i don't know if you've listened to him in podcast before he's such i've chatted to him before yeah he's very intelligent he's a very good people's person he's good at you know he would make a really good leader he's bubbly he's talkative he's the type of person that i could see as being a board member in the foundation makes great videos people are drawn to him everyone really likes him this is not the type of person you want to ban out of your community over something so petty this was dringo trying to exercise power dringo tends to be targeting people he feels threatened by i won't go into the pacifics but i think it's pretty obvious. And he's just been disastrous for the Foundation. The fact the Foundation, the community, already had problems. Dringo came in, and I call him the

useful idiot, because I don't think it's all his making. I think there is a hidden hand directing him. And I know this because he was paraphrasing a certain person in his rude messages that he sent me. So I know exactly who the hidden hand is and he was basically sent in on a mission i will go into more detail privately about that one well we've got about three minutes till i have to go make some dinner get ready for work so i think we will wrap it up there um where can people actually what do you what do you want to what do you want to promote what do i want to promote um library nomics now we've not done much marketing for library nomics so at the moment we're doing quite well on the website we can get up to 4 000 a month visitors

which isn't bad at all but it's not the next level we want to get it to because i'm more of a designer marketer graphics type person but i'm too busy doing the coding what i'd like to know is to get more people to help me with the coding so i can do more of the marketing graphics um we've got um a jaws i don't know how you say his name. Alois. Yeah, I love the work that he does with, I'm joking again, I love the work he does with Librarylytics. So he was part of the Librarianomics team for a short while, had a slight dispute,

nothing personal or anything like that. He was teaming up with people that could affect our brand, and no offence to to him he didn't know um so we just kind of like ended the relationship temporarily but we'll probably get that back online but it wasn't a relationship that was postponed for any other reason than damage control just in case and i said to him that it was nothing permanent it was just we just wanted to analyze the situation first and i explained the reasons why and he's come back recently and we might be sorting something out like it'd be good to get those two things um linked in because what he does and what we do i

think they bounce off each other you know they work well together and he's got some really good ideas he's good on the coding side and be great for him to take over some of that coding stuff so i can center on the marketing and graphics i'd like to promote that and more community involvement with it you know because people keep saying put it on uh github i really hate github and i you know i think people wanting it on there want it so they can basically branch it off into their own projects rather than helping out with this project. I know I can put a license on there, but the people asking for GitHub haven't seemed honest to me. So it's kind of like a pet project at the moment,

but we do want people helping out and taking it to the next level. So that's the thing I want to promote, more community involvement in it. Also, if anyone is interested in actually chatting to you about getting involved with it, go check out the Librarianomics Discord. I'll leave a link to that one down below. Yeah, so we've kind of got to wrap it up now. So is that all you've got? Yeah, how long did we go for? I have no idea.

2014 minutes, but before we go, I'll just mention my supporters. So, thank you guys for watching. I've actually enjoyed this episode, it's been a lot of fun, but before we go, I would like to thank my supporters.

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and the audio version or i guess library and odyssey as well and the audio version available on other platforms um yeah i think you can listen to the audio version basically anywhere uh and my main channel brody robertson go check it out if you want more structured content than this. Cool. And final note, a big thank you to Brendan for his half of Librarianomics. What he does, people don't see the work he puts in. He puts so much in. It's absolutely amazing. Big shout out to Library. We love Library's work.

And we think what they do is absolutely brilliant. The best team around, especially, you know, Tom. I know there's other people behind the scenes doing technical work, but Tom's also in the community. He's's absolutely brilliant he's just had a baby girl so congratulations on his baby girl um apologies for any conspiracies i hate conspiracy theories and i wanted to put some evidence into ones that may be floating around because i'm an evidence person and apologies for too much coffee which kind of broke me down it's wearing off now so now i'm getting more normal but um there we go maybe we'll do another one sometime maybe we will and maybe

you'll show up on time this time oh my god i'm dyslexic by the way and that's one of the worst things is timekeeping dyslexic people all over the place with timekeeping. Well, I think we'll end it there. Sign it off. How do you want to sign it off? That's it. It's already signed off. Okay, we'll go with that. Thank you guys for watching.

Thanks a lot. See you later.