Tech Over Tea - #40 Nerding Out Over Linux - feat HexDSL

Episode Date: December 2, 2020

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well i just started the recording so let's go oh do you do an intro or do you just take clips well how does it work i don't know i just i just uh freak people out by starting the recording and we go from there that's fine i always always see you in my camera i'll just stir my tea and this is where i'm gonna make an effort to be really dull well for anyone who who doesn't know who you are, let people know who you are. Okay, I'm HexDSL. I've done YouTube,

Linux-themed YouTube stuff for about, I want to say like five years now. It might actually be longer than that. Yeah, I've been around for ages just doing stuff. Mostly I take first looks at video games, which basically means like my channel started where i just like load up a game be like yep this is linux and this game works move

on with your day you know and then if it didn't work i then sort of troubleshoot and that's how my channel started but now i tend to just really i just decided that linux gaming is a niche it's essentially over because linux gaming is just gaming there's no niche there anymore so over the last 12 months i've been basically doing whatever i want but because i'm such a ridiculous nerd it's very much in the linux space but i've even sort of started doing like book reviews and stuff on my channel i'm just like i'm a nerd who uses linux this is a shit idea yeah like i like i've been watching your channel for not five years, maybe like a year or so. And yeah, I've noticed it's mainly been gaming stuff, and I actually do enjoy that, because especially since I started making Linux YouTube videos, it's hard to watch the same sort of stuff that I make.

Like, if I go watch, say, like, DT or Luke Smith, it's just like i this is the same video i would make it's basically just me watching someone do a basically a different version of my own thing yeah you're like there's no value i'm just wasting my time i can think to myself and not watch youtube yeah i know what you mean exactly there are exceptions like when luke will go on some rant about i don't know roads or something like that's i can watch that um but when it's just like the regular linux stuff yeah i mean the thing is linux is such a wide topic right and i find that like i'm a gamer mostly like that's mostly what i do with my time video games and i will absolutely argue i mean there's a lot of linux people in the link space that say games are a waste of time and say that you should grow up and games are like

you know yeah and dance something healthy to do that's absolute bollocks no one gives people for reading a book for three hours right and playing a video game and reading a book for three hours there is no difference like if anything playing a video game is keeping your mind more active than reading a book and i say that as an avid reader you know like someone can watch tv for two hours and think nothing of it but if i play halo for three hours you know everyone freaks out i don't think there's any i don't think there's any less value to gaming than any other pastime i think i kind of try and bring that to my videos as well i think part of what that is is that a lot of the uh the linux audience is considerably older like i

think my average age is 25 or 30 so it obviously if you had like the Linux audience is considerably older. Like, I think my average age is 25 or 30. So, obviously, if you had, like, the younger audience who watch a lot of the, I don't know, I don't know what the kids watch now, Fortnite videos or something, obviously, they're going to not really think the games are a waste of time. But if your average age is in, like, the 30s and the 40s,

I can see why some people would say that. Just because when they that just because I mean So, you know, yeah, well There are exceptions to the rule Like I I have some viewers on my channel who are like 65 who've been using Linux for 20 years and like oh I'm learning stuff from your videos. I've never bothered with desktop Linux desktop Linux. It's great.

Yeah, it's great. Linux is great. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if you find it as well. When I always had this thing, especially before I was making videos, probably the thing that led me to making videos though,

was I always felt like I wasn't using my time enough. Like I always should be doing something else. So I play video games and I would have that feeling that like, Oh, I should be doing, I should be like, I don't know, vacuuming or like, or like doing like doing doing something that feels feels productive because ultimately nothing's productive right just feels productive so like kind of one of the things that led me to wanting to record videos was that need to feel productive and I was like well if I'm

playing video games for a creative thing then that makes it less of a waste of time that's kind of was in the back of my head when i started it wasn't the reason but it's certainly something in the back of my head when i started and i think that kind of helps set into motion my whole opinion that video games are valuable now i get exactly what you mean like i i sort of started learning about linux a bit before i started the channel and i just wanted to sort of talk about my experience and but like and i guess messing with linux and stuff like that like it ultimately it is a waste of time like confirming your desktop to look exactly the way that it looks like but if you can make money right if you can make money from it or you can maybe educate some people about it maybe you're doing

something productive and that's exactly yeah i feel exactly the same way and that's the same reason i'm starting up a gaming channel so i can give myself an excuse to play some games oh i see you need to take all my viewers i see how it's gonna go you take all my viewers oh no you've got the uh the the actually no i'm gonna be swearing my content as well i don't swear on the main channel just because i like money but apart from that um you're more you got the british audience you can take that yeah yeah i mean being being british like like we like i don't know bad language isn't inherently offensive to most people over here there's an age difference there but like for the most part we're not offended by

bad language i think in australia you guys aren't either right oh absolutely not but but because youtube is so american-centric it's like he said f word it's like that's you know the end of the world but uh like my channel's like not big enough to make any serious money like i've never done this money and i've never chased clicks either i just kind of talk about stuff i'm interested in yeah i mean it's always in the back of your mind you'll be like i'll make this video people like this you know but i'm never i'm thinking people will like this i'm never thinking i'll make this video it'll make money or i'll make this video it'll get hits um so i've just never cared at all about the about any of the filtering stuff you want well

if i really cared about making money i'll do do videos like, oh, top 10 reasons to use Arch Linux. Top 10 reasons why Ubuntu is bad. That's how I make the real big bucks. I really hate those videos. Some of them are good. They're all the same, right? Now, don't steal this, but

I'm planning a video, right, where I'm going to call it The Desktop Review. And I'm just going to say a bunch of generic things and just show a screenshot from every distro I can find because I have a theory that you can just do one script and do every distro review with it. And I'm actually planning on getting around. When I'm feeling less lazy, I'm just doing it.

Because you can go, the desktop they've chosen, just go like, no, KDE, Plasma. You can just go through them all and go, it's a good implementation that looks nice at the box because they all do you know there's no difference you go package manager works really well once you get used to its nuances it's such a generic thing to say these videos have no worth at all i don't know if you've heard about them or not but there's this new thing on youtube called youtube shorts. It's been out for like two or so weeks. No.

Basically, YouTube is trying to compete with TikTok. Oh, God. So, they're boosting up these minute long videos. If you tag them with a hashtag shorts in the description and title, basically it's pushing this weird thing. It's similar to the stories, but

not the same. You won't see them properly on on desktop they just don't work properly on desktop uh also they have to be vertical video but i feel like something like that could actually work potentially in that format if you could like tolerate making vertical video see it's really bad that i've been doing youtube for like five years and i didn't even know about this because anytime they send me an email i'm like delete oh no they didn't send an email about it oh yeah they didn't know i had to someone let me know about it because some like random uh youtube channel building channel i've discovered the feature that no that's how you make the real bucks talk about finance and talk about how to make a youtube channel because youtube boosts up the

cpm massively for those i think some of those have like 20 or 30 cpms yeah i'm i'm i mean i've got a job right i've got like a full-time job yeah yeah if this if i if i if i if i stop like if you just stop being fun i just stop yeah i just i just i like doing it it's like i don't want i don't want to work at it you know i just i'm like i'll talk about a video like this week i've been like messing with dwm so i've just made like two videos about dwm because that's what i'm doing you know which i think i feel like it makes my content more honest because i literally just cover stuff i'm doing it's rare where i'll go that'll make a good video and that's the reason i do it i hope that comes across in my videos you know i think it does i'm so what i

wanted to do with my stuff was i wanted to like cover a lot of the gaps that a lot of other channels were missing because you've got these thousands of random little projects that are being started every single day and most of them get no attention whatsoever and i sort of wanted to be looking at some of them but maybe saying like okay here's what you could potentially do better here's what some of the competition to that actually looks like but most of the time people do those sorts of videos they're just looking at like here's neo fetch here's bash top here's some other really other popular one it's just like yeah everyone already knows about these yeah there's a i i hate it when people like i found this niche application it's it's bash and

you're like i'm sorry what i'm sorry what i've got this niche application it's called obs it's like that's not a niche application mate that everyone knows about that stop talking just move on you will be surprised though there are still some people who just somehow managed to live under such a rock they've never heard of it? I mean, we all have knowledge gaps, right? Like, there's always an application you've not heard of. There's always going to be something you don't know about. Like, I have that a lot. Like, you know, there'll be something

everyone knows about, and I'll go, oh, shit, how did I miss this one? But yeah, there are certain channels where they assume everyone's an idiot, and they're the only person that reads anything, which is just great. Yeah, that's definitely a problem i have noticed but i don't know and then there's then there's my favorite people in the comments now most of my people who leave comments my videos are lovely and they like they leave really a lot of people leave interesting insightful things

but then there's these fly by night lunatics right they just like drive into the channel right and they just go like you should make a video about blah and you're like i literally did that yesterday you're talking about yesterday's video and like they're like they're like hey hey i've been watching content for ages i was just wondering why you don't use a tyler it's like this video is about a tyler what are you talking about who what are you what are you saying my favorite one is what distro are you running? So in all of my videos I have Neofetch run whenever I launch Terminal. It shows a giant Arch logo. It says Arch Linux next to it. I mean that's what I mean. I went through a phase that and I decided I didn't care. I was

just like I'll let them ask. They can ask. You can can just ignore them oh no I just like the look of it I don't do it for the people I used to do that I used to have the the info what's it called the terminal information screenshot tool thing and then I was like

I was one night it was like 3am and I was working I was looking at the terminal and this big thing come up with all this information I was like why am I telling myself this

I know that who am I telling and I was like why and so I turned it off and i was like what why and so i turned it off and i was like i'll turn it back on if i'm making a youtube video never turn that back on again yeah it's just like i know i know what this drama i don't need to i don't need to tell myself that i can just open my terminal it's fine yeah so but i do think they only exist to so youtubers don't have to keep repeating their distro. I think that's the only reason. Also for Unix porn.

Unix porn is the most boring place on earth, right? I know. Like, a few years ago, you'd go there and you'd be like, oh, that's cool, that's interesting, it looks like an Amiga. And now it's like, oh, look, it's a Tyler with a terminal and everyone goes, we're going to use terminals, we're going to use Tyler because that's correct. But everyone who takes a screenshot

of Unix porn, let's float those windows. windows let's float them with like they're all floated it's not even a tyler at that point but everyone's like look at this how good does it look it's like no it looks like those 50 screenshots there just go do something different as much as i like people like luke and mental outlaw i i do blame them for this because they're the reason why this has happened. I mean, yeah, I'm not a fan of a lot of Linux YouTubers, because I just find their content... That's entirely

fair. But yeah, I don't... See, I think the problem is, as nerds, and I'm a nerd, I'm a proud nerd, you know? I'm happy to be an EQ Linux user, right? I'm reading a book about the history of Unix nerds and i'm i'm a nerd i'm i'm i'm a proud nerd you know i'm happy to be an eki linux user right you know i'm reading a book about history of unix right now you know i'm gonna ask you about that yeah there's this there's this whole thing that like in in nerd culture that becomes this thing

that becomes the standard like it becomes a safe thing to say that tyler's a good so everyone gravitates towards the thing that's safe and he's not going to cause an argument on reddit and then they go like okay when people post screenshots they always have their terminal open so i'll have my terminal open because that's the only thing and we become this weird traveling herd so everyone's in the same like road this river going everyone's just like at the edges of the river but everyone's afraid to go fuck you i love gnome because i'd have so much more respect for the dude that comes in there he's like fuck you i love gnome and i use it stock i'm like that's badass you know that's that's the guy that's completely shaking things up oh that's a that's a great idea i should just post a screenshot on there of like base gnome it's totally valid to go gnome's a great project i i happen to really like

all the things they do so i'm using it um well like a few years a lot of years ago now when i first started there was this trend of making your Linux look like Windows 95. That was a big deal. I want to see the guy in 2020 that's like, I like Windows 95, but I don't like XFCE, so I made my KDE look like Windows 95. And I just want to see that guy just totally defending his case. And they're all going to either jump on him

or treat him like he's some avant-garde genius. Either way, I'm supporting that guy he's just being honest because if you look at the dot files of all these people on unix porn and you go into their dot files you go bullshit do you use this you don't use this like you don't do this you've got no launchers you don't you don't even have the menu configured you have nothing here you are not using this this is just for the screenshot it's not performance dude move on yeah with that kde if you're running that the only thing that's allowed to post on unix porn is make it look like whatever the newest version of mac os is that's the only thing you're allowed to do now see i've never used the mac i don't think i've even seen a mac so people keep doing

keep doing things like i'm like that looks all that looks alright actually. I'm like, oh, it's a Mac. Okay. Apple has good design sense. Yeah, that's cool. They have their overpriced hardware and a weird bastardization of Unix, but you know, they look nice. Oh, and they're trying to make their own version of Chromebooks with their new ARM chips. I mean, to be fair, that's not actually a bad idea.

For them, that's a really good idea. From a business point of view, that's a good idea for them. Apple actually has those developer connections. They can make that work. Chromebooks were a mess and still are a mess. I've heard that, yeah. Unless you do everything in a web browser, but even for most things,

you're eventually going to run into some weird niche thing you need to do where it's like, I need this random application and there's no other way to do it yeah i mean i mean i literally i basically can't even comment on a mac i literally have never used one i don't know i'm talking about just doing everything in a web browser oh the web browser i thought it was on about the max specifically yeah i mean that sounds like yeah that sounds like a nightmarish dystopian future like only having a web browser um i get i like i get that there are people that'd be happy like that i i'd like to fuck around with my computer i want to be messing around with the terminal i want to be doing stuff

and like there are times when i want two windows side by side i can't imagine like web browsers particularly you know no they're a bit heavy yeah and even if you like somehow pops out tabs or just puts the tab side but i don't know i don't i don't yeah i don't want to do that but you know people like it and i think that we often default to saying that the way we use computers is the correct way and i don't think we mean to be that about it but it's easy to go this is the way i use a computer this is obviously correct and then like you'll talk to windows guy there's like well this is the way i use my computer it's obviously correct the reality is if people have tasks they

want to perform and whatever computing device they do does it then it's fine it does not everyone has to you know there are people like my daughter right she's 16 and she can basically do everything she wants on her phone with one hand while she's not even paying attention and i pick it up and i'm like i don't understand this thing i just i don't understand it but then like i pop up in a terminal i'm quite at home you know there's yeah it's it's easy to think that our way is the right way and i'm sure that web browser is enough for most people like i'm there it is to be honest i don't think that's a problem with just you like i open up instagram now and they keep changing the interface i have no idea how to post anything on that app anymore yeah i i my because my daughter uses it that's why i have no idea how to post anything on that app anymore yeah i i my because my daughter

uses it that's why i have instagram installed it's the only reason i post instagram and i occasionally post where i remember it's a thing and i opened it the other day and i was like i'll just put that i'll just take that off my screen i'm just i just i just dragged it away i was like i don't want to see that ever again no i think you have to like click a plus at the top or something and then you can post to your like your page and then just press down the bottom you can post your story or something you can swipe to the left to get a selfie camera as well and i'm like why why i've got a camera for my phone i don't need you yeah but people seem to like it and yeah in theory it's kind of fun just to like take a snap or something and post

it and like and i do do it just because you know my daughter's on there so often i'm very open she messages me on it and stuff and in theory it's fun but like it went used to be like a bunch of people you follow post pictures you scroll up and see them now you see two people you follow and then you get like like recommended posts and it's like no i don't want these i just i didn't i don't want any of these and then you just end up staring at cats for 40 minutes and go I didn't want that If we get back to things that are just not popular say around Linux

if you just mention systemd in a positive light, it doesn't have to be like I like systemd or anything, just systemd isn't bad I'll go one step further systemd is great because all these...

I would bet there's two sorts of people that hate System D, right? There's the people that have never used anything else and they just hate it because it's a popular thing to say. And then there's the people that survive perfectly happily without it and they don't want it, right?

But what I don't understand is the people that don't want it just go use a different distro don't want it, right? But what I don't understand is the people that don't want it, just go use a different distro. That's fine, right? Just go use a different distro. They exist. Just go use them. That's totally fine. Like, Artix exists for a reason. Devonwind exists for a reason. Use one of those. The thing is, you are choosing

to play Linux on difficult mode there, right? Because there are so many things that don't quite work right without SystemD. And that's that implementation. While it means that I know red hat have got more control over over the over linux as a whole these distros still exist right so like while like yes it's true that the the outside the links philosophy and it's a large monolithic program that does a lot of binary stuff that should be text mode and stuff i get all the criticisms but have you ever tried using a computer without system

d because i'm like okay i want to start a service and i'm like how how how do i start a service systemd is fine and like and like the reason it's used is not some global conspiracy by red hat it's that it came along and it was actually a pretty good alternative for what i was using so people was like i'll use that it's all right and that i mean it got popular because it's pretty good alternative for what it was using. So people were like, I'll use that. It's all right. I mean, it got popular because it's pretty good at what it does. It made things easier, so we don't need all of these random other applications. I do sit in the middle ground, though, because

I like system. I'm a fan of what it does, like start services, close services. I'm a fan of all these things, right? But there's a lot of things it does that are there to benefit the server, right? There's a lot of things it does that are no use to the home user. So why doesn't Mr. Pottering do a spin called the home edition, maybe? Just the version for the desktop PC.

So we take all the servers that you don't need, we strip it down, or we throw it away, or we make a slimline version, and we just make systemd light for home. That seems like a nice compromise that would please everyone everyone but the reality is it's too monolithic and they're right so no one can do that which is a shame you've made one mistake there you just said that pottering should do it and if pottering touches it everyone will hate it that's true that's true i like this man is the devil i know but he's so smug and mean i like him he's fun i do he's just yeah he's making great software and he's just really smug about it he just he's got that smug

little grin i love it he's great i need to make a video talking about the irrational hatred of lennart pottering because there are so many people who don't even know anything he's done it's just like i hate lennart pottering because i hate lennart pottering i mean if you just see a picture of man noah you're like that guy of me, I know what you're like. That guy looks like a git. You know, you're just like, I'm going to smack that dude. But then you watch him talk and then he's just so like, you know that he says things specifically to get a rise out of people.

Or if it's not conscious, he's got some subconscious stuff going on there that just makes him want to wind people up. But they keep using his software because it's actually really good. I mean, like Pulse Audio. People spend all their time loading that Pulse Audio. you show me someone who's not using it it works because the reality is yeah and the people that aren't using it and like what are you using computer for and it's like entirely free software and you're like okay so you're not on discord you're not playing video game you're not doing all the stuff that makes that life is easier because of it so like a lot of these like the people object system dD as well, you're not using your computer in,

I don't like saying it, but a mainstream way. And that's why you're coping with it. Because without Lenart's magic words, magic code, computers are harder. And it's a shame because I feel like he does get a bad rap,

but I swear he enjoys it. I completely respect not wanting to use Pulse Audio if you're trying to do audio production work. Use Jack for that. It's better. Yeah, it's fine. If your reason is I don't like it because it was buggy

15 years ago, have you tried using it again? But then they'll come in and they'll go, okay, I'll try using it. But then you come to it, you don't know what you're doing with it because a lot's happened in the last 15 years. And then you go, it doesn't work. And it's like, whoa, we can fix that by opening the config form, my dude.

Chill out, you know? But yeah, I think the other problem in Linux, and this is part of the system D and London art thing, is that back to that obsession with doing things a specific way because that's the correct way. Linux is supposed to be about choice right like i make i've got i'm a full-time linux user who runs a linux youtube channel and a linux chat group chat room on discord right chat room like now i'm setting my

age and over there is my windows machine you know it's like it's fine it's like i wouldn't want to do my banking on windows but it's okay to play star wars games with a friend you know it's like it's it's fine to just use a tool you know friend you know it's like it's it's fine to just use a tool you know outside outside of what you want because i don't want to have windows machine but i do want to play with my friends you know and i don't want to use proprietary software but i do want to use this chat with my friend you know there comes a point where you have to go like let's flex a little bit and if you don't want to flex i totally respect that the people that like no you know you shall not pass you know i respect the shit out of those people but i don't think

it's useful for them to angrily campaign against this software they should try and say hey this is why i do this maybe you would like to do things my way and that way a lot of people go actually you make some great points i'm going to start doing things your way but when they're just like let's get lenhart and burn him. And, you know, they get their pitchforks outside his house and stuff, right? And he's there just making a sandwich and you're grinning. He's like, that's great, you know. They're not helping, right?

They're not helping their own cake. They'd explain themselves. They'd be so much, they'd get so much further. And also, it's just okay if you don't want to use it. Like, I know people that won't use Discord, which is why I have an IRC room as well, right? I'm like, I'm fine with that. That's cool. You've got your personal privilege

to say like, I want to use only free software. And that's a totally viable way of doing it. But once you start campaigning as if that's the only way, it's like, well, that's not useful to you or them. It's just,

you're making people just turn your volume there and they won't listen to you. Yeah. I have people here that keep bugging me about setting up a matrix room and i will do it for any of you people watching soon i'm not gonna at some point and then i'll bridge they keep saying oh you should make a matrix room then bridge your discord in the matrix room i'll do it at some point and i can't know what and i I can respect that position. Again, I respect the position but at the same time, if you're happy to

use Discord via Matrix if it's bridged, just open the fucking web browser mate. Just go to the web browser and make an account where you call yourself a made up name, right? Run it through a VPN and just use it. There's no difference. There's no difference. You're going to use it through Matrix.

You're still using it. You're just going through a third party. So, I don't know, make a VM and open a web browser. I don't see the difference. Again, though, I totally respect their choice to do that. One of my mods goes through one of the most roundabout ways, it's all good, of using Discord.

This is one of the people who's constantly talking about Plan 9 and all of these Random Unix projects So I bet he's not fucking using Plan 9 though is he? I bet he's not using that as his main system I think he is actually, he's one of those weird people who actually do

No he's not He's just renamed it so it looks like No one's using Plan 9 That's like going Linux isn't hard enough I I'll try BSD. It's not hardcore enough. I'll just code my own operating system with two sticks and some sand.

No one needs plan 9. Anyway, what he does is, he's got one of the terminal Discord clients, but that's not good enough. He's also got a bot that sends his messages from the terminal Discord client over to Discord so he doesn't have to use Discord.

Wait, does he burst into flames if he touches the Discord? Is that what happens? Is that why he does it? I don't know. He's always like... I honestly love my audience because it's got a lot of the 4chan audience and also the regular

sane people and they just merge together in this one conglomeration of just Linux goodness I mean I love these people and if someone's like this is how I'm using discord I'm like if you're enjoying that you fucking go it's when they go this is the correct

way of using discord that's when i'm like no no but for reference i know there's no good for your audience maybe if you want to use this to put it in there but this is this is the official screenshot of plan nine just just so you know that's what they're saying it should look like i think that's the best way to use i think this is the thing this is the operating system this is the operating system they want they want you to use. I think this is the thing. This is the operating system. This is the operating system they want you to use. They're like, this is plan nine right here. Here we go. I've got the power to show screenshots.

And I broke all my cameras. Nice. Okay. That's what they, that's on their own website. You look at the URL. That's why I posted the URL. They're like,

we've just made our operating system, right? Let's look at a screenshot. Not that one. It's too modern. That one's got too many colors. They're like, we've just made our operating system, right? Let's look at a screenshot. Not that one. It's too modern. That one's got too many colors. This one's got a fucking stupid bunny rabbit and too much blue. That'll be the one we'll use. There you go.

What am I looking at? Yeah. That's exactly. No one's using plan fucking nine. That's a bit of a throwback. And what I love about it, right, is it says, like, if you go back to the main site,

which is just like the core of that there, on the main website for Plan 9 from Battle Labs, it says screenshot. Not screenshots. They've just got the one. They're just like, this one shot has everything we want to show you. Just done.

We are done. We need one screenshot. And it's like I have another go at it ah yes of course we have to have a plain text website because that's the only way that's correct screenshot with a space in it

because I know what we've talked about this is going to sound like I'm flip flopping a little bit right but the web is basically fucked right like and and like the oh and the in my mind and i know people disagree strongly with me there is i say there's no ethical argument anymore doesn't matter if you use firefox or chrome or or or or surf or whatever the fuck you want to use right the web is owned by amazon and google and microsoft

and netflix right you're not saving anything like i use firefox because i like it best right for me there's no ethics involved here let the web burn the faster it burns the faster somebody's going to fork it or going to make a new protocol where we can get back to using it like that's one of the reasons why my web's my own website um you've probably seen my website right um it's just it's basically just stylized text there's nothing on there it's just text because i can port that thing to go for if i have to yeah that's like literally scripting to go for that and i feel like i feel like the web itself let's just be accelerationist let's just let it burn stop like there's no there's no moral argument against against different browsers and stuff um the web is one of them

things where it is broken and i don't think it's me being a curmudgeon or me being like this is the correct way of using it the web is just a place to spend money now um and we need a new place where people can can write blogs and articles and deliver text and documents and videos maybe um but i i do think with the web like yeah we're we're at the point where it's beyond saving just let it burn that's fair yeah as someone who's done some web development before i can tell you that it's sort of a meme yeah i did like as uh what was it like six or seven months of react work which is i don't know if you even know what react is it's a javascript framework because you have to build everything in javascript you can't just use plain html every literally the

generation of the page has to be done in javascript now um yeah that sounds like a night again nightmarish dystopia we live in the darkest timeline but it's it's the fucking easiest work you've ever imagined javas JavaScript is such an easy language. Yeah, but it's just more simple. Like, a web browser. Look how big a web browser is. It's bigger than the kernel. Have you ever tried compiling your own web browser?

People keep telling me to use Gentoo. They're like, oh, you should use Gentoo. I was like, no, I don't want to compile my browser. Fuck that. Even Gentoo, they're downloading binaries of the browsers. Even there, they're like, we know this is stupid. Here's the binary, because fuck, who wants to do that? You know? Can you imagine trying to compile a web browser on a Raspberry Pi?

You'd literally kill it. It'd die. It'd just stop working. If you go to a lot of tech channels that review CPUs and stuff, they will use compiling Firefox as a benchmark because it's that stupid. But you'll read the benchmark but it compiled Firefox in just nine and a half hours.

Like, no! No! You can't wait nine hours to visit Pornhub. That's ridiculous. Are you making more tea? Yeah. I'm chained to you. What's that? I'm chained to you. Do you have like a kettle or something right near you?

Yeah. I've got my tea bags up here. My tea bags up here. That's running low. So here's my spare box of tea bags here. Right, there you go. And then I've got

I don't know, urn is the word. It's like a big tube thing and then I've got I don't know urn is the word it's like a big tube thing and then I push the button on top and it delivers one cup of boiling water and I just fill it up like twice a day I can respect that and I just I literally change

the tea at the desk like when my cup's empty I just put more tea in it until it until you know that's what I just put more tea in it until it, until, you know, that's what I do. I'll have to do that when I, when I get my own place, I'll have to do that.

That's a great idea. This is great. I don't need to leave here. And like, I have these like, I have these like old bottles I use and I just put water in them and I can just

fill up the kettle out of them. Yeah. So I just, I don't leave, I don't leave. And I got a little bin down here for tea bags and I just then like, I empty that once a week and I just like,'t leave i don't leave and i got a little bin down here for tea bags and i just then like i empty that once a week and i just like yeah i don't really need to leave here i could i probably gonna die here eventually that is a uh a really nice setup i

have got actually you know i'll show you what i have so here we go we have oh obviously we have We have a bed. Oh, yeah, my lighting is done with a $10 lamp I got from a hardware store. You've got a lamp lying on its back. That's a fire hazard right there. There's no way that's not a fire hazard. Oh, yes, but, you know, it looks cool. Then over here, we've got some... Actually, I can't even see it because it's dark. We've got some dark over there where we keep the darklings. We've got some... Actually, I can't even see it because it's dark. We've got some dark over there

where we keep the darklings. We've got clothes on the ground. It's a handbag. Yes, yes, it's a handbag. It's convenient. And then we've got a shelf of lots of light novels and stuff here and some anime figures up here as well.

And then a closet with vitamins in it. Nothing too too crazy i don't have any like fucking kettles in my room speaking of fire i mean i i can i can i forgot i've got enough slack now i did some wiring today so like so like here's me look here's me hello me right and then over here we've got like the wall of controllers little ikea shelves i'm doing this badly little ikea shelves with like and there's a picture of me um as a cardboard cutout that i don't ask that's yeah that was for a bit i did for a while back on stream and i just thought i just kept it myself around yeah i just kept it there's my there's my tea bag up there my penis up there all right

you know and then they got like so you got like got some that's my manga bag up there. My peanuts up there. Alright. And then I got like got some that's my manga right there. There you go. My big shelf of manga. Big shelf of comic books back there.

Right. Over there. Oh fuck. This is way harder than it looks. You did a great job at this. Yeah I felt like I did pretty terrible.

Oh my god. How do you do this? And there you go. That's my other desk where I do soldering and stuff. But it's also where the windows... And that box is a comic book there as well. Yeah, and that's...

Yeah, and that's... There's you. Hello, you. Yeah, that's it. There you hello you hello yeah that's it there you go I did it that was the office tour I'm going to put that

I should put that on YouTube I'll clip it yeah you can have it I'm alright I mean I've got my room I can probably make my own if I want it oh surely

I do have I'm guessing you're just what webcam is that is it just a C920 like everyone else has well it is a C920 like everyone else has well it is a c920 it's actually this c920 oh you've got two of them um yeah i've got two of them usually i have one set up looking down on my desk um but i've basically been using it so

infrequently um i was like i'm gonna cannibalize the parts of that mic arm to fix my squeaky mic arm which is why today no squeak i fixed it uh and i was like i know i basically never use it but i'm thinking i might um thinking i might do something with fishing wire and just have it like dangling or something i don't know i might do something like that later but yeah so just yeah c920 because like you pay like 50 quid for a c920 and you get as good a camera someone has paid like 200 for youtube it's like there's no point getting a better camera right right? You think you pay that. Have you seen how much the scalpers have been selling

them all year? I actually get one. I mean, that's one of the reasons I'm glad I've got two because the one I'm actually talking to you on, I got on Amazon last Christmas for £20. I think it was price wrong or something. I was like, okay,

sold. Not a problem. But yeah But yeah, now they've been like 150 Australian, 200 Australian I don't know what that is In UK money It's about a million pound problem Now our dollar's pretty terrible

So You know what, it's because the C920 Is good With the 925, is it? Ah, yeah. I know the one you're talking about. The 925 doesn't work as well in Linux.

I think that's probably what? £89? Wow. They're £89. The fuck is paying £89 for a webcam? Just buy a camera at that point. Also, this camera is like 8 years old go buy yourself

like a go buy yourself like a second hand GoPro off of eBay I mean that'd be cheaper at this point right it would be yeah absolutely

and those GoPros have got ok mic's in as well don't they some of the newer ones do yeah if you go like I think anything past like the Hero 4

is fairly decent but if you go like I like the fact past the Hero 4 is fairly decent. But if you go like... I like the fact they called their cameras heroes. Like they're going to save the fucking world or something. Like it's Wonder Woman in the form of a camera. It's like, what is wrong with them? Have a respectable name. Like it's the X-34 or something, you know?

Yeah, just name it like Intel does. Just give it a bunch of numbers. No, Intel are fine. It's monitor manufacturers you grab a word with. Oh, God, yeah. I couldn't even tell you what the hell this thing's called. I literally don't know what the monitor is I'm looking at. It's a Samsung.

There you go. It's Samsung. That's all I can tell you. It's wide. Yeah, I think they just take whatever the last part of the serial number is and just stick it on the name. Yeah. I don't even think

I mean, I think I think they're like they're worried if I give them proper names we'll be able to identify the crap ones easier and they're like not risking it. That's a fair point.

Yeah. So look at that. Your mics are like clean and stuff, right? I know. Your mic looks like it looks stuff, right? I know. It looks like it's been sold to you. It's sitting on a cheap arm that I got off eBay. Yeah, I'm literally using a new rear.

Also, my shock mount's broken, as you can probably tell. This mic arm's basically China's own brand. It's great. I don't think this one had a brand. actually China's own brand. It's great. I don't think this one had a brand. My mic's... Yeah, here's my mic for the camera.

Here's my mic. Yeah, it's an interesting-looking mic at this point. Wow, okay. I'm guessing this stick is on your side as well. When I had a mic when I first started YouTube, it was a Samsung C1U studio condenser mic. That rings a bell. It wasn't very good. It wasn't very good, right?

The levels, it always felt like it was crunching. It never quite sounded right to me. I got pissed off with it. I was like, I want a mic. And I googled and everyone was like, you're doing voice work just by a Yeti. And I was like, I want a Yeti. But being a broke-ass bitch, I was like, I don't got money for a Yeti. So I like i want a yeti but being being a broke-ass bitch right i was like i don't

got money for a yeti so i went to like a second-hand store and i just like just give me a yeti if you've got one they're like we've got one but do you want it and i'm like i just give it me if it works and they hand me this yeti and it looked like someone had played football with it it's like dented as shit right like underneath stickers right it's got like blood scars and shit right it's like it's like there's like there's like rust and there's like there's like bits of moss in it and stuff so i was like i can't put that on camera so i just got a bunch of stickers and i just put stickers everywhere there was a dent i put a sticker uh and then and then i put this little fluffy top on i do like the fluffy top yeah to cover the blood and stuff on it right

to cover its scars and uh now it, right? To cover its scars. And now, we've been together so long now that I just can't bear to... I've got money now. I can go and buy a new mic if I want. But I'm like, no, we've been together a long time. She's mine, you know? We've fought battles together, you know?

Knowing the quality of stuff you get from our secondhand shops, I don't know how much of that was hyperbole. No, well, honestly, I'm not even joking. Everywhere has a sticker, right?

That's because there's a massive dent in it, right? It looked like someone went to town with a hammer and the fucking thing works beautifully. I say beautifully, you know, you can hear how it sounds. It works like a loony does. Well,

you say that, but you see how far away yours is from your face right like my beard is touching this fluffy thing so there's something not right with it but it's become such a staple of my channel that my face is inside my mic now that like i'm like it's fine i'll just you know i've been doing this for years it's just it's fine until she dies this is what happens if i get close to mine like that it sounds pretty terrible i'm trying to be quiet because it doesn't clip yeah yeah no like mine's mine's just like this is where i am and it sounds it sounds like yours does at that distance but like yeah i should probably buy a new one but yeah i don't want to part with it it's like if it breaks i'm gonna do a little

funeral from a little burial ceremony in the garden for it i'm gonna like lower it in and let someone say some say some prayers and stuff. It's going to be beautiful. I think that's a video idea. Yeah, actually I'm kind of half hoping it goes now I think about it. The fluffy thing is cool. I like the little foamy thing but the fluffy thing

does look nice as well. It's a very different look. It's definitely more phallic. But the downside i say a downside it's not a downside for me but this fluffy thing smells like tea right because as we've established i just drink tea at my desk right so we've just like you know it just smells like tea which doesn't bother me but if anyone else sits at my desk they go ew It's just like, that's fine. It's fine. It's fine.

It's where I live. It's fine. Yeah, that's fine. Just don't let anyone else sit at your desk then. Yeah, I don't. I don't. I've got an ErgoDox keyboard. It's basically like having encryption.

Oh, God, yeah. That's going to be a problem then. They sit down and they just go, ew, and they just don't know what to do. Yeah, people are grossed out enough by the fact that I have a um a scissor switch keyboard not a mechanical keyboard if i had known that i wouldn't have come on your show yeah i honestly can't stand scissor switches oh sorry mechanical switches i i've been using a lot yeah i've been using a laptop way too long

i'm way too used to the laptop keys. Yeah, yeah. You know, I think, again, people being so precious about stuff. You go on the internet and it's like, if you don't have a mechanical keyboard, you're not a whole person or something. It's like, keyboard's a keyboard. You can buy a two-pound keyboard from eBay

and you can play video games. You can play Counter-Strike with that and be just as effective as someone with a 500-pound keyboard. It's like different flavored crisps just find what you like for me i like the deep travel i like the sounds it makes and i really like a split keyboard i find it really easy on my wrists and stuff yeah that's fair but like if you don't care about that it's fine it doesn't matter you know yes speaking of that like um do you get yourself like a two pound keyboard every so often i'll see a

video from like some big tech channels like can you game on a ten dollar keyboard like yes yes it's a keyboard what kind of question is that conversation ten dollar miles you probably get you know probably get very far yeah this thing this thing's a bit sketchy. It has a left mouse click, mouse wheel click, but not a right mouse wheel click. Also, if I scroll, it sometimes skips, scrolls and reverses.

Yeah, you can't play, don't play Counter-Strike with that. No, I need to replace it. I'm waiting for Black Friday. Yeah. Even though I'm not, i'm not precious about peripherals i really like nice peripherals so i'm using i am i'm using the um the algae wireless g pro um with the magic mat that charges it so like i've got a wireless mouse that i never have to

charge which is which is literally like a wizard did it it's just amazing i just never have to charge, which is literally like a wizard did it. It's just amazing. I just never have to worry about it. That is pretty cool. I've also got an Alcom Wizard King trap ball on my desk as well. I like to browse the web with that, and then when I'm gaming, my hand goes to the right just for the problem ads, and then I've got the ErgoDocs

as well. I really like peripherals, but I don't think that means I'm right. I think I'm an idiot for spending so much money on peripherals I don't need, if I'm honest. I can understand the ergo docs. The ergo docs make sense if you care about your wrists. Yeah. Like, I'm fine with a regular

keyboard, but if you do have wrist problems, it's or if you just want to make sure you don't have wrist problems, in fact, having an ergonomic keyboard is a great investment. Yeah. I don't know if we do this. For anyone that doesn't know what an ergo docs oh yeah we probably should let them know so it's a split keyboard um with a an odd layout it's got collimula layout so it's like an author ortho linear so all the so like ws and x are like in one perfect row so if you lay your hand on it's

directly above and below so it's not staggered like a normal keyboard, which takes quite a bit of getting used to. But once you have it, I feel like it's less pressure on your fingers. Yeah, I was going to say, how is that with Vim? Because I know some people aren't a big fan of using Vim with these different sort of layouts. It's my keyboard, you know? Yeah, you're used to it. just do it i just use it um when i first had

this keyboard i did uh i did a few hours of maybe speaking with it and maybe speaking doesn't have an option for a split keyboard but they do have an option for an ergo keyboard keyboard so i just set it to that mode and i just did it like a good few hours of maybe speaking to just make sure it's hitting the right buttons you know and get back into the rhythm of it and then after about a week of using it it was just my keyboard at that point yeah that's just my keyboard the main thing that attracted me to this particular one is not so much the layout but the software it's got qmk software in ah it means i can have extra program or buttons so i've got like these extra modifiers which i thought was my last video actually um that like i've got a hyper and a Meh, which are two separate.

So instead of having just Super as my modifier, I've also got these extra two. So what I do is I use those as launchers. So I've got two sets of launchers. They're sort of related. Like the one on the left, if I go like Hyper and then B, it'll launch OBS.

If I use the other one and B, it'll launch OBS and Chatty. So I keep it sort of related. So one does more of what the other one does. I'll launch obs and chatty you know so like i keep it sort of related um so like one does more of what the other one does you know i'm probably explaining that really badly but having all those extra launches i think really helps um but yeah as for vim it's just my keyboard i don't really think about it i mean you know i've got i i programmed i say programmed i put together the layout myself for it on over on configuration software i flashed it to the keyboard myself i know where every button is because i put it there so you know i don't yeah and because i already used them

when i was doing it i was thinking about how this is going to work in vim yeah so like it's just my keyboard you know okay yeah that's fair vim's my mate vim's i've been on i've been using vim for years right i've never really met a lot of Vim content on the channel. I've used it in videos, but I've never met Vim content. I met a video about a week ago talking about some stuff I've messed with in Vim. And some guy in the comments was like, finally using Vim. It's like, yeah, like for three years. Yeah.

It's like, what? What about that video made you think I just discovered Vim, mate? I don't understand. I think my Vim videos are my most popular videos. That's like one of those few Linux topics that do just massively explode. If you talk about your Tyler by name, talk about Vim by name,

or do any terminal application that no one's heard of, loads of views. It's like a friend of mine pointed out recently, it works the opposite. In normal YouTube, they go go what's big and popular we'll cover that in linux youtube we go what's no one fucking heard of we'll cover that that's how you get the heads it's like it's like reverse of the rest of youtube it's really weird yeah i haven't checked my analytics yet uh but i upload my videos around about at about four in the morning local time which is i don't know 4 p.. or something in the U.S. where I care about uploading it because that's where people who use Linux mainly live.

Anyway, not the point. I did a video on a speed reading application. Speed reading? You don't know what speed reading is? You don't know what speed reading is? That's perfectly reasonable I love the thumbnail where you're literally discovering reading in the thumbnail

yeah I've been having fun with the thumbnails I've got like a bunch of shit around my room so like let's just start doing props yeah like I discovered I had a theory a long time ago that no one cares what's actually on the thumbnail as long as it's brightly colored and has something human looking right so a long

time ago i stopped giving a shit if you go to my channel you'll see there are times when i just literally have just like it's just nonsense i had a picture of a man wearing a cardigan there's no there's nothing to do with the video it was just a man wearing a cardigan and like that got loads of views like because it was colorful and there was a person like i don't give a shit whatever you like see how bizarre you can get before someone notices well i haven't i actually did try that once i have a sheep skull over in my closet just don't question it i i did the video i did the thumbnail with it one person pointed out of 2 000 people who watched it one person pointed out out of 2 000 people who watched it

it was uh where's the one i've got can i drag and drop that this one i'm particularly proud of it um it had a tin of campbell soup on it a pie and some lettuce i just put that i just put that in my thumbnail and this one of my podcast episodes when i do next penguin i just put i just put a pug on there and he had computer eyes and i was like that was fine people like me was like that's great that's fine um and then i did then i did uh then i did stuff like this yeah so yeah i just i just stopped caring i just i just just had fun with it and it was fine no i think you're onto it it's just you need to get people to look at it it doesn't matter matter if it makes any sense. It doesn't matter. I know for a fact

I would get more views if I just did the silhouette of myself thing. That's just work. I've got to cut it out or take it on a green screen. I can't be bothered with that. I'll just keep putting random strangers on there. It's fine. No one cares. Just start making the exact same thumbnail for an

entire year. I'm not talking about any sort of Linux YouTuber right now who starts with TLG or anything. You guys can work it out. Is he still going? I don't even look at him. I don't even look at his stuff. Is he still going?

He's still going. He's not doing much gaming content, but I think you're the Real Linux gamer Thanks I mean I play games On Linux Yeah it doesn't actually matter anymore maybe it did like three years ago I know in the show notes

In the topic stuff you sent over You said you were getting back into gaming And stuff You specifically said in that, what should we expect from Linux support? Here's my theory. I'm literally just starting now. I haven't ever gamed on Linux. Don't use

Linux native games. People watching will be like, what did he just say? What? They're rubbish. We don't need them. Back in 2003, John john carmack for anyone who doesn't know genius programmer the guy behind the software that makes oculus work as well as you know doom right absolutely on the beautiful mind of coding in 2003 they had an interview and

he just went why would you want linux native just just emulate everything it's easier right like and i feel like he nailed it on it in his off-the-cuff comment because we've proven because of DXVK and now Proton and GL9DX, whatever it's called, translation layers are so fast because we have so

much compute we're not using. You're playing a game, your graphics are doing the work, your CPU is just chilling. It's just waiting for instructions. We've got so much compute, we can just insert these translation layers, and we can get basically native performance on a game that's not... So why would we ask a developer to

spend the time and money making a Linux version when we don't need it and it's no better? And even then, because there's so much diversity between distros, the game's not going to work all the time for you and then you run the Proton version because they've targeted fucking Windows

and Proton emulates Windows to your desktop you know I say emulate in the loosest term no one shout to me for that it's going to work perfectly and there's so many times like you try playing the Linux native version of Torchlight 1 well I'll tell you now you can but you'll be jumping through many hoops.

And you know you play the Proton version? You hit install, then you hit play, and it works. That's it. Linux gaming is, and this is why I'm always saying to people, Linux gaming is dead, not because it died, but because it's just gaming now. We got what we wanted. We transcended Linux gaming.

We have most of the games on Linux. And if you wanted to use streaming services like GeForce Now, you can basically play anything on Linux. I mean, I say that. I've got a Windows machine over there because I have a friend who wants to play Valorant. And I was like, fuck it. I've got all these spare computers over here. I'll just throw together something for Windows, which is what I did.

It's just over there. And I just used Steam in home streaming to just stream some Windows games over. And that's fine. But with the rare exceptions of specific stuff my friend wanted to play with me like i can play everything on between geforce now and proton i don't really there's not a lot i can't play yeah i haven't i haven't noticed that it hasn't actually been like that like i made a mind sent me a message on discord he's like hey do you want to play uh i think he was like oh you want to play apex i've checked proton db completely broken but then i i looked at um because that one's got like kernel level drm

which is yeah d force now what's in d force now that one does say thanks um but then he was like oh you want to play payday 2 it's obviously got a linux native version and everyone on proton db was just like don't use links native version the windows version is just like, don't use the Linux native version, the Windows version's better. Yeah, just don't use it. It's rubbish. They always are. And it's like, I feel, and like, there's people on Reddit and you've probably seen them, no tux, no box, right? Like, if that's your personal politics, again, that's totally

fine. But why are you preaching this like it's a religious cult? Like, if I buy a game that's only available on windows and i play it on linux that's the most linuxy solution right like we hacked it we like we took something wasn't for us and we hit it with a hammer until we made it work that's awesome right that's badass right like badgering a developer until they make a half-assed linux port of something that then

doesn't sound they never want to support us in the future, it doesn't help anyone. And this idea of helping Linux, that they always come out with as well, it's like Linux isn't a corporation. It's not a single entity. It doesn't need help. It's almost like a virus that's slowly spreading over all the computing. It's going to be just fine whether you play that Windows game or not.

And when I buy a game, I'm not thinking, let me buy a Linux game today. I don't go, I want to buy a game like i want to play a specific game will this work on the operating system it's never about buying a game as an abstract idea i think no that's fine um i think if you're going to be spending your time badgering developers about anything do it on making sure they don't use these extreme levels of drm make it so you can actually play the game on linux don't try to get them to make a linux version because everyone's going to benefit from having less strict drm like that yeah and also i

mean drm doesn't work i mean like like it doesn't do anything like the only people who bothers are the customers that are getting pissed off with it. There's always a day one crack. I agree with it. It's not a day one crack. The idea of DRM is to protect your week one sales. So as long as the DRM holds for a first week, great. So check it out on week two then if that's the case.

That's fine. It's a good compromise. Or like an anti-cheat. Now anti-cheat, as much as I's fine it could compromise or like an anti-cheat now anti-cheat as much as i'd like to say we don't need anti-cheat the reality is people cheat right so we do want to keep competitive like i wouldn't want to play counter-strike with no anti-cheat but val's version of anti-cheat involves overwatching people and it involves like getting you know having systems in place that checks for certain actions and stuff and it doesn't require kernel modules and it doesn't require intrusive behavior that's fine it's a perfectly reasonable type of anti-cheat you know that's fine um because

i would not want to play counter-strike with no anti-cheat that just you know as much as i'd like to agree with that like people are shitheads it's they're just going to ruin it yeah yeah that's i wouldn't expect anything different yeah the problem with multiplayer games is the other people this is why i like playing a lot of single-player stuff like i've got a collection of ps4 games i just haven't touched and yeah most i think most of my single-player games actually i think there's like maybe one or two exceptions i just don't like people most of the time i mean yeah i feel like i feel like there are some like sometimes i'll get in this mood where I just want to play an MMO right and I'll just I'll like I usually just either reinstall Final

Fantasy or the old or Knights of the Old Republic right yeah I'll just like I'll just play that one game I'll play it for like a month or something like I can I've essentially done nothing for a month apart from play this game it's time to move away now um or or then there'll be certain multiplayer games like um i'm playing a lot of cast right with some friends at the minute but um not you know i think i like cast right but it's not really about the cancer it's more about hanging out with friends and stuff right but if i'm sitting alone i wouldn't i wouldn't be like alone in the middle of the night at my computer i think hey i'm gonna load counter strike you don't do that you know you just

like i like it with friends but i don't really want to play with a load of random people against a load of other random people it doesn't do anything for me but that's the sort of time of night where i'll load a single player game and i'll just sort of like turn the music up turn the lights down and sort of like get totally immersed in it yeah i used to do that with when back when i used to play a lot of fps like this is going back a few years now back when i'd play like, like, the early Call of Duty games. But now I look back on that and I'm like, why would I ever want to do that? Most of the time I was just angry at my teammates and just didn't

want to deal with them because they're all fucking they're either really good and we were just stomping the other team or the other team was really good and we were just getting stomped. Yeah, I think matchmaking, if it's working well, you're going to get a 50-50 win-loss, so it's pointless playing. And if it's working badly, you're either just going to be

with a group of people who are way better than you and it doesn't matter if you're there or not, or you're one of the people that's way better and you're with the other four people who aren't there. Yeah, that's why I like to say when I enjoy Counter-Strike, it's with yeah with three of my buddies you know we play you know we play that together because that's the joy it's the group activity and the team you know playing with strangers just doesn't do anything for me i think

most people are the same now yeah yeah that's fair um i think that's part of the reason why like these single player like this sort of mmo like experience not single these mmo like experience that are in a i don't know how am i trying to say it games like fall guys and fall where you're playing in a multiplayer setting but you don't if they're just like they're it's you against everyone else basically yeah yeah um like yeah four guys is a bit like that i suppose wasn't it well Fall Guys is very RNG as well

so it doesn't no one's good at Fall Guys really yeah like you can be better than other people but it's not like

there's gonna come times where you just lose because of RNG I don't think I mean Fall Guys yeah Fall Guys

is one of those games where like you can't be good at it right like because if you're amazing personally, they still put you in a team game half the time.

So half the time, it doesn't matter how good you are. You can just sit down and win or stand. Nothing you do makes a difference. It seems like the team elements are the worst parts of that game. Yeah, it's not a game. It's almost like a screensaver you get to interact with. I bought it because everyone was talking about it. I played it for two hours,

and then the news came out that it was going to stop working on Linux, and I was like, good, I'm glad. I just closed it. I was like, I'm pleased. I don't want to play that again. I'm glad it doesn't work. It's an anger generator. Yeah.

As much as it's good to be angry sometimes, I just want to chill. Let me just go play some JLPG for 100 hours. Yeah, I'm with you on that one. There are certain times when I want to shoot things and scream and I'll load Doom. There are certain times where I want that experience. But most of the time in gaming,

I've been playing a lot of King's Bounty lately, which is essentially turn-based. I can do a little bit, go make I kind of like, I've been playing a lot of King's Bounty lately, which is like, you know, essentially turn-based. And I'm just like, I can like do a little bit, like go make a cup of tea, go and have a chat with someone in the house, come back and like, oh,

I'm playing this still. It's like, it's that, that, that super chill, relaxing, play at my own pace stuff is becoming more and more appealing. And I think that,

I think like when you've played loads of games, because I've played a lot of games, right? You start to get to this point where where the urgency of games almost turns you off because you're like, well, I don't need to be in a rush all the time with my games. Yeah, no, I kind of felt that

a couple of years ago. Any games that have a time limit to get stuff done, it's like, I don't want to, I really want to do that. Yeah. It's fun to play Tetris

against the clock and stuff, right? Yeah. But I don't want to play a JRPG that's going, you've got an hour! It's like, oh, fuck off. I want a week clock and stuff right but I don't want to play a JRPG that's going you've got an hour it's like oh fuck off I want a week let me just

I don't know like last time I played actually not last time I think first time I ever played Skyrim I didn't actually finish the main quest line until like 200 hours in

yeah just who cares just do your own thing right just chill out just play the way you want I have the best equipment in the game I just basically

one shot the final boss I don't care about the main storyline it's the rest of it but it was fun I mean yeah there's lots of there's lots of

things like that where like and I think I don't like open world games right like these open world games I think again

I've played loads of games I like open world games I just see it as pointless work now a lot of them are like that

you're supposed to see it as exciting content I'm like no it's just boring stuff to work in but like if people like that like there's so much stuff to do then without even touching the main quest i'd like to see someone make an open world game and have no main quest it's just filled with side nonsense that'd be great please travel to the other side of the map to collect me some herbs yeah he's like all right i'm gonna get me a horse i'm gonna go get some fucking herbs it's gonna be amazing 200 hours later i was like oh that was like a cool dungeon over there oh yes another thing oh yeah here's your herbs or you'll do the whole thing you'll walk back you go i forgot the herbs yeah it's great i think in games where they have

a good open world i think the fast travel ends up sort of damaging that i think the problem with a lot of open world games is the fact they have fast travel so you don't have to make an interesting world i think no i think i think there's two like there's two sorts of players like i've been playing a lot of um uh kingdoms of kingdoms of of amala the reckoning i couldn't remember it's called them my brain just went blank kings of amala the reckoning is a great game where they've got this actually interesting open world with loads of stuff happening in it and they've got fast travel and and i for the long if i played through the first time through it and just never used fast

travel i'm playing through the remastered version recently and uh i found that like using the fast travel so i go to the quest by foot and then i fast travel back to hand it in is a really nice compromise and i think too many players use that fast travel like it's spam you know i'll just hammer that fast travel all the time but i think as long as you're using it not to shorten the journey but to shorten the return that seems like a really nice way of balancing fast travel it because like what i just want to like fast travel everywhere because they just want to do quests it's a valid way to play i think yeah i don't think we should encourage it as the standard way to play though no i get that because

there are people who sorry it's a boring game right skyrim's a boring game and i can understand people not wanting to explore their world you'll be like yep it's a field there you go yeah this is why there are mods that make skyrim more interesting by having like interesting nbc interactions that might happen when you're traveling but yeah i mean bethesda didn't do that so i'm glad the modders are doing it well that's what happens with every bethesda game though they come out the modders fix the game yeah i just yeah i mean the only bethesda game i play is, you know? It's not really what people think of. No, that's a very different sort of game.

That's something I'm actually kind of excited to finally play. Eternal? Yeah, actually, 80 of Doom. I haven't even played the original Doom. If you haven't played the newer Dooms, I wouldn't, I mean, you can, but I wouldn't suggest jumping straight into Eternal. Doom Eternal is like

a beautiful, elegant sequel that almost goes directly on from 2016. I think the best way of playing it is to play through the whole of 2016

and think of it as a training for Doom Eternal. Doom Eternal is really hard, like really hard. And I think if you jumped in without knowing the game at all,

I think you might find it really frustrating. But likewise, if you start start with eternal i don't think you can go back because you feel there's too much stuff missing so in order to get like the best experience kind of feels like you should play them in order okay also really cheap like doom 2016 goes down to like like five pounds like on steam sales stuff right it's really cheap at. I'll have to pick it up over Christmas then. Yeah. Steam sale got about two weeks, isn't it?

Yeah. I didn't realize how close Christmas had actually got. Yeah. Yeah. It was December. Yeah. I was lining up the guests for next week and I was like, oh yeah.

Anytime after the 29th, like shit, that's December, isn't it? Jeez. Okay. Don't do it. Cause this year has felt Christmas day. Sorry.

Nobody wants to be on a podcast on Christmas day. Yeah. No, I plan to be drunk on Christmas day. Oh, nice. Pretty much. I don't drink much i say that but i have

two empty cans of wood stock on the ground but i don't drink much um generally the only time i drink are for like events which is not very australian you don't mean getting drunk as an event either do you i know people like that but no no i usually drink for like some sort of recognized celebration not a friday generally there's a why in the day let's go oh god i i have plenty of stories about people who are like that and then they complain they have no money well they drunk it that's why they're happier mind you given how dark and

rubbish the world is right now I can understand people wanting to drink themselves to death this year's not been the best of years yeah don't worry guys next year's only going to get worse COVID doesn't magically go away just because the year ended it's Christmas day we'll give up bye

it's not gonna happen it's not gonna happen yeah hopefully this vaccine goes well i don't know yeah i my my method for all this is just not to think about it i just play video games videos you don't think about it yeah yeah no i can respect that as well yeah it's like wear your mask when you go out people it doesn't matter if you don't like it it's going to be 40 degrees it'll be 40 degrees celsius here during the week

good I'll encourage people not to go out stay home it'll be fine for anyone using freedom units that's... What is that in Freedom Units? I don't know. Don't pander to the Americans.

They're the ones with stupid things that the rest of the world ignore. I don't like it. 104 Fahrenheit. There you go. It's like, no. No, America. Stop it. Stop everything, America. Just base everything around water. Dear America, the rest of the no, it's dumb Just base everything around water Dear America The rest of the world is doing it different to you

You're wrong Do your measurements in units of 10 Because that makes sense Not fucking feet in inches Feet in inches Like it's 1960s in England The only reason I use feet in inches Is because everyone understands

What that means for height That's the only time I use feet and inches is because everyone understands what that means for height that's the only time i'll ever use it yeah it's weird we use that for height right like an australian and england do that but like in europe they're just like no don't do that it's stupid it doesn't make sense like you're right it doesn't no it's it's dumb but for some reason that just sort of everyone sort of gets it. I agree with that. And the conversation got completely derailed. Lovely. Yep, usually does.

Oh, push back on track. You have window managers in your show notes. I do. So, yeah. See, that's something I know about. How long have you actually been on Linux for? Since, well, when I first started on Linux, my first distro was Red Hat 6 in the 90s,

right, because I've been alive for a very long time. It wasn't ready. I mean, it just wasn't ready for full-time for me because I wanted to play video games. That's fair. It was great, and it was interesting. I played with it for years on off, and then I had a little go at being

full-time back on Ubuntu 8, I think. 8.10, which is 2008. Is that how they work there? I'm guessing so. It's the first number of the year, the second number of the month, right, with Ubuntu. It's like 2008. Yeah. I don't know about that.

Anyway. But yeah, I actually came full-time, like full time with with no crutch you know um in 2012 basically my thought process was steam's here now i'll just play what they've got fuck it you know um and i just moved over i just literally was like fuck it i don't i can't be bothered with all the with it was messing with windows and fiddling with drivers yeah i'll just use now um and i just went in wholeheartedly. And yeah, I just stayed here ever since. And I've pretty much, pretty much been on either Arch

or an Arch variant since 2012. So how long? Because... Ah, yes. I mean, like, why would I not be with Arch, right? That's fair, yeah. It's like, it's whatever I want. And I don't ever have to worry about whether an application's available

in my package format for the most part, so I just stay on Arch. Yeah, yeah. So how long do you reckon it's been since the window manager thing has sort of taken off? Because I can't imagine it's always been, everyone's like, you have to run a window manager. I don't, I think,

you can get in an echo chamber with that, because most people who are running Linux are running Ubuntu. Yeah, maybe it is my echo chamber then. I think like, Mo, if you think about it, if you just like was to randomly poll people, they're either going to be running KDE or GNOME, right?

Pretty exclusively. Then there'll be the subset of weird little nerds like us that are just like, why would you not run a window manager? Why would you not do that? I think it's easy when you're in the echo chamber to look around and only see

everyone you know is on a toilet so it seems normal but I mean, you've got to remember even though we might not love it Pop OS, like Mint there are big fucking distros that all run standard desktop environments

and the reason they do that is because that's what most people want yeah and most people if they did decide to move to a tile i wouldn't go i'll move distro to arch to do a tile and i'll just go i'll just install it install the tiler and just boot into it you know like they don't need to they don't need to worry about it but yeah i think i think most people are probably unknown probably yeah from what i see like there are people who do want tiling sort of like elements inside of their uh desktop environment like things like pop shell exists for example um that's not very good but it's the sentiment that counts yeah i. I do think that's why, if you think about like Pop and Ubuntu being the biggest

distros, right? And they are. I think it's hard to argue that, right? They're at least in the top tier. I know Ubuntu definitely. I don't know if Pop is up there yet. I think for gamers, Pop is quite popular because it has the NVIDIA drivers pre-baked. So a lot of people who would be on Ubuntu just go with Pop for the NVIDIA drivers. Yeah, you know which is why we see a lot of it in gaming on

linux posts and stuff um but anyway i think most of them they'll start messing with tiling and eventually just go to kde and use window rules and that's why you see a lot of kde in uh when people pull like what's the best window manager what's the best environment you see a lot of kde but there aren't that many distros that ship with kde by default and i'm fairly certain that people start on gnome they go i like this tiling where i don't want a tiler and then they end up on kde because they need window rules and i think that's kind of the flow that they go to a tiler eventually or go back to gnome that's fair point okay that's my thoughts anyway I'm probably wrong no I think you're probably not far off so

yeah go on no you carry on I was just going to talk about pointless stuff now I think about it that's fair this is what this podcast is the only thing I was going to say was I noticed when talking with a friend the other day

that if you look at gaming on Linux polls or Unix porn polls, the vast majority of people talking are on Tyler's and then when you poll people, it'll all be like KDE, GNOME, right? Probably, that looks like KDE

and GNOME are really big and then Tyler's are really small but I think there's a certain type of person that's more likely to answer a poll and it kind of skews all the data in a way that's not representative because most people on Linux are on Ubuntu and don't care and won't be answering stupid polls because they don't even know what desktop they're on.

They're just like, there's my computer, man. I watch Netflix. And I think they're not going to answer your poll. I do think it's a shame we haven't got a better way of getting data. Yeah, no, I get that. Because with using a tiler, you sort of have to be that very passionate sort of Linux person.

And I get why those would be the people who are talking. Like people who are just running, as you said, running Ubuntu, they don't care what they're running. Like the tilers are the ones who are going to evangelize to you, saying here are the great benefits to tilers. No one on Ubuntu is going to be like, yeah, this is what's so amazing about GNOME. Like, well, you don't...

It's just another... No one advocates GNOME. Actually, to be fair, there are some weird people who do that. But most people sort of just run it, and it's just what their computer does. Yeah, yeah. And to be honest, like, I recently honest like i i recently like a couple of months ago now i try i installed gnome um i just installed it on my on my arch box and i wanted i wanted to

see if i could live in it for a bit just as like just you know to kind of make sure i don't be out of touch with my audience and stuff i was like maybe i should just like game in gnome just to see you know just to see i didn't like like it. I didn't like it, but it is a very good desk environment. Even though I hated it because I really like Tyler's. It works well with the way I want to work. But like, it's very competent.

It works kind of a bit like a mobile phone with the things so people can understand it easier. It's got these nice animations and very easy to cut down the time that takes that can be quite nippy um it doesn't do anything inherently stupid and if i had to use if i had to go away from a tile i'd probably use no rather than kde i'd probably just use no because they don't like even though people talk about like people like scream when they got rid

of the system tray people screamed or and then then there was like we got rid of transparency the terminal people screamed all this right the reality like, we got rid of transparency in the terminal, people screamed, all this, right? The reality is, you don't care about that stuff. Like, when every time you open an application, it opens on a new workspace, why do you need a tray for? Everything's just on a different workspace. You don't need a tray, you know? And the default GNOME, the stock GNOME look is like,

there's basically nothing to look at behind the terminal. So why would you bother making it transparent? It's pointless code. It just doesn't matter. You're not going to have anything behind it because everything's going to be in its own workspace if you're using GNOME correctly. I think that's kind of one of those things where people, the minority

are being so vocal and acting like they're being unreasonable. I think GNOME's really nice. Not for me, but yeah, if there was a Tyler apocalypse and they all burnt and got zombie-itis or something and destroyed themselves, they all suicided,'d probably i'd probably just use no it's pretty good it's fine yeah that's fair i haven't run it but i actually was considering running it when i like before i switched to linux for the first time but then i've dived into it's got that vibe

like it's from the future right it's got that kind of like it's got like very modern feeling it doesn't it feels like it feels like it should be easy and it kind of is easy but it's got that like you see it and you instantly understand everything like you see someone press a windows key and then you get the overview you're like okay so that's that and i can just click on what i want like it's very easy to understand that the desktop paradigm is very simple and very elegant and i think that's something it has over kde kde is probably a better desktop but yeah i would be unknown if i was off a toilet i think a lot of that comes from how much influence canonical has in the gnome project and also the fact that canonical is doing as wants to work on like mobile linux as well so you're going to have that sort of mobile influence there.

Yeah, I think... I don't know how much of that is. Canonical versus Canonical and GNOME having similar ideas. That could be as well, yeah. I mean, when GNOME 3 happened and GNOME 2 stopped, Canonical was like,

we'll build Unity. And they built something that was basically the same as GNOME. They disagree on like 2% of stuff. It was like Unity, different technology under the hood, obviously. But as a day-to-day use, it was a sidebar with a top bar and it was workspace. It was the same thing. It was the same desktop paradigm.

That's a very unpopular opinion. I mean, it's unpopular, but it's a fact. You've got a sidebar, you've got a top bar, and you've got workspaces. People don't like it, but it is a fact. I know it's not popular, but Ubuntu with Unity worked for millions of people. Millions of people liked it, but the very loud minority was saying what was wrong with it.

I used it for a little bit just to have a look at it, and it was fine. There was was wrong with it and yeah there was for most i mean i used i used it for a little bit just to have a look at it and it was fine like there was there was nothing wrong with it um but then when they come when they realize it's gonna be a lot of work we spend a lot of money doing something that is 90 the same as gnome fuck it let's go back to gnome and at that point they're gonna go is that like x million users i think i think it was three million or five million the last count someone bothered trying to get for Ubuntu. I don't have the number. They've got a big sack filled with new users and they walk up to Gnome

and go, we want what you're doing. Of course Gnome are going to listen because they're bringing all these installs. Of course they're going to listen, but I think the Gnome people are so stubborn, if they fundamentally disagreed on something, you just wouldn't hear about it. They'd just be like, like no we're not doing that apparently

the number's 20 million but I don't know if that number's accurate 20 million that can't be really just wow just I was on about just the main spin right not the not the subspins apparently this comes from the Ubuntu website

I'm looking it up on Stack Overflow Ask Ubuntu so I can't tell you if that's exactly correct but apparently they were claiming they have 20 million well I mean like if you bring 20 million users to an open source project and bring the funding that comes

with that they'll pretty much make any change you want I can understand that I can't imagine how well funded gnome is i mean i i mean i know i figured i was low balling it but i didn't think 20 million jesus i mean you know i knew i knew i was low balling with 5 million but i was like i was thinking like all the distros or all the different spins people are going to use it yeah oh yeah if you include like starbundu as well I don't know how many users they'd have wow that's insane I did not realise that

yeah 20 million users can't be wrong sorry but yeah so all the users affected it I'm going to keep going I've given you leeway to do it anyway,

so just go ahead. Yeah, you've got to be quicker. It's the delay from here to Australia. He's been quiet. I'll keep going. Yeah. You think like, they've never been stubborn,

but yeah, I think that many users. Yeah, I thought, I was thinking five to eight. 20 million users is going to shift the needle, right? Absolutely. And I would assume that comes with funding as well. But when they're doing that, I mean, you look at Ubuntu Unity,

what it was, you look at GNOME, what it was then, and then you look at what Ubuntu is now, like, yeah, there was no point carrying on doing Unity, really. It didn't really make a lot of sense. And most of the users probably didn't much notice. They just went, oh, it's a bit different. All right. Well, even if you took the Gnome user base

and Canonical didn't fund it at all but 1% of people donated a dollar every year that's still massive funding yeah yeah that's true but also people forget Gnome is like it's a Red Hat project, right? Yeah, Red Hat also has their...

Yeah. Red Hat aren't broke. They're going to be fine as well. Maybe that's another reason why people don't like it, because Red Hat, Len Art, all of that connection. Yeah, it's the anti-counterculture stuff, right? People don't want that.

There are so many things that Red Hat are involved in that people just don't think about. Don't worry about that, you know? Like, I don't think that's particularly healthy that we have so much power in Red Hat's hands because they're owned by IBM. IBM computers for Hitler, you know? Like, let's not forget that.

IBM aren't a squeaky thing. I mean, we have a lot of love for them. They're big blue and all this. But they've got a shady past, man. Like, IBM are not clean cut. They're hiding behind the Red Hat logo is IBM. And I don't want to say I worry about it. I mean the abstract,

because we can fork anything. It's all open source. But I think that everyone is using GNOME, which is a Red Hat project, essentially, right? It does seem, I don't know, it seems a shame that the big thing isn't a little indie thing that someone's doing on their own it seemed a shame that it's not something more open sourcey and more independent that's become the big desktop i think that's why some people are sort of gravitate like it's obviously still fairly

small but some people who do actually want to support with more indie projects are gravitating towards things like app images rather than flat packs or snaps. I mean, that's really interesting to say that because I'm talking to you on the app image of Discord right now. It's for me app for me. I'm on a Tyler anyway, right? But for me, I like I don't want

unnecessarily software installed. I want to do an update. I don't necessarily want to update stuff that I don't care about. Like I don't really care where the gimp gets an update so i use the app image because i don't want to have to wait for it to update same with uh what else was apple for like calibre um caliber i should probably say um yeah like i've got app images for um for discord i've got apple i'm actually for so much stuff is apple g for discord it might be just the electron download anyway the point is like there's a lot i've taken to not using my package manager for all my applications and i've taken to compile a lot myself a source not

myself because i just don't want to have to wait for it to update and even though contrary to the popular narrative arch is very stable distro if you're looking after your install. The less software I have installed, the less potential breakages I have. I'm like, I might as well do that. You know? Yeah. No, I get that. Yeah, I only have one app image installed, and that's for Ripcord,

which is a third-party Discord client. Oh, yeah, I know Ripcord, yeah. Which some people don't like because it's shareware and not free software. Oh yeah I know ripcord Which some people don't like because it's Shareware And not free software I mean If there was a free software Version of discord

That'd be the one I'd use But if there's not I might as well just use discord right I might as well just use proper discord To be fair you're running discord anyway So you're running Discord anyway. So you're still interacting with the proprietary Discord servers. Yep. Yep.

Okay. So my app images, for anyone out there that cares. Calibre, GIMP, Kdenlive, Moonlight, Plexamp, and Retroarch. They're the app images I'm using. And Kdenlive is there so it doesn't update, so it doesn't break. Kdenlive is there. Okay, so how many packages do you have installed in your machine? Too many. I review a lot of

applications, then forget to uninstall them. I know that feeling. Oh, it broke. NeoFetch, try that run again. I have 1326. I have 1326. I have 742 packages installed. That's probably much better.

Yeah, well, I mean, there's no reason, right? Like, it doesn't matter how many applications you have installed, right? To be clear to the people watching, it doesn't matter. I have a big hard drive. I mean, yeah, I'm all right for space. I've got 3TB on this machine, right? It's not, for me, it's got three terabytes on this machine, right? It's not for me.

It's about how much time it spends updating, right? Like, I don't want to be going to bed. I'll run an update before I go to bed. I'm like, oh, for fuck's sake, I can be updating for two weeks now. I don't want to have to mess with that, right? So the less packages I keep installed, the less updates I have. And because I'm a nerd and I get bored, I like to run the clean system. You know, I like running just, I like to know everything on my system.

I literally know every package on my system because i've only got 742 right um yeah in the case of kdenlive if you install kdenlive it pulls down about 90 qt packages and i was like i don't want them they've got to go i was even like if i can't find an app image of kdenlive i'm going to find a different video editor because I don't want all this Qt. I'm on a Tyler. I don't need Qt or GT. I don't want any of this stuff.

I want the absolute fucking minimum. Yeah, that's why I want the app image of that. Yeah, I should use the app image because that's one problem with Kdenlive. The other problem is that every other update, something breaks. Right now. Yeah, that's probably fair.

Right now, my version of Kdenlive, if I put more than two things in the queue, it crashes. The app image is way more stable than the system one. It's all I think. Even the new versions, the app images, the current version I'm using,

I don't know what version I'm using, it's really not multithreading properly, and it's taking ages to encode stuff. But again, I'll just let it run and just leave it under the workspace. I don't care anyway. You're taking a long time. I don't have to edit that. Yeah.

I don't tend to make particular... I don't really have to edit that much stuff. I tend to do my videos live to tape, for lack of a better word. And that seems to... I don't really have to edit that much stuff i tend to like do my video live to tape for lack of a better word um and you know that that seems to you know i don't really edit massive math but when i do i'm like yeah this is not working properly i should fix this i pretty much just cut stuff and that's about it so there's nothing major you could do that on the command line i could do that your fun video i mean no that could be a fun you could you could make a video about editing stuff on the command line, then edit that video on the command

line. That's an idea. I might have to do that. But then I... At the end of the video, just text yourself at cutituk. Sure, if I do it, I'll give you a shout out for it. But...

Okay, the problem with video editing is it's an inherently graphical process like yeah there's no way to get around that same with image editing like yeah ffmpeg is great no ffmpeg um image magic image magic is great but also i want to see what i'm actually doing when i'm editing an image yeah i think if i like, image magic's a beautiful, like, my wallpaper script uses... Well, yeah, if you're going to make something

automated, that's awesome. Yeah, it's great for that, but I think that's where usefulness lies, right? Like, if I want to automate something, and I want to, like, do an action repeat, like, macro, an applicator macro, something, then it's great for that, but I don't want to make my thumbnail for my video on the command line. I might do for a video for fun, but I don't want to make my thumbnail for my video on the command line i might do for a video for fun but i don't want to do all my work on there

because again i just want to i want to drag stuff in i want to rotate it you know like a good example of that is i use nnn as my file manager right i still keep pnr installed for when i want to drag and drop stuff because i'm just making my own life hard if i don't so you know there always comes that point where like certain things have their certain uses and i think in the linux space people often forget that they often like they evangelize a certain way of doing things instead of thinking about the workflow like if i didn't have a gui file manager like and i want to edit a video i'd have to use the the built-in file manager inside kdenlive to navigate my file system why how is that better how would that be easier you know like like that's just pointless well especially when most of the other file managers are probably going

to be gtk file managers anyway so the uh if you favorite some folders in the gtk file manager they're not going to be favorited in the qt one yeah yeah i use uh yeah i use don't add because it's it's an absolute basic file manager that has some nice little nice tiny little extras like the bulk rename anything can be kind of useful at times to be honest i'll use nnn for doing that and it's really nice but you know rename and stuff but yeah these little extras got the bulk rename where you can go rename everything to the left or everything to the right there's nice little things in there and you can you know this previewing it's pretty good as well so just keep it around for that but yeah even though i only open it when i want to drop when i want to

drag and drop something i still probably use it more than i use nnn because i'm most the time what a fall manager is to drag and drop something yeah i think we started this topic with um window managers so what was your first window manager? Actually, when did you first switch to a window manager? I came to Linux and I did all the usual to it, you know, and I quite liked XFCE. Which is funny because if you ask me my opinion of XFCE now, I would say it's broken. It doesn't work. You only think it works because you're an idiot. That's because you remember your experience. Yeah. But at the time

i really liked it but then like i later found out i later thought about what i was in fact i'll tell i'll go into more detail here right so like i was on xfce and i was happy on xfce but then i didn't like the pop notifications i swapped out for dunst right uh i didn't like the editor so i uninstalled it i just used vim right and then by the time I'd finished, I wasn't really using XFCE, right? I was just using all these different components and other things and I was using XFCE as like this framework to bolt it all onto it,

right? It was just pointless. Like, there wasn't a single component of XFCE I liked. I was using like a dock system instead of the bar. And I wasn't on XFCE, but in my head, I like xfc is great no it's not i changed everything and then still i was always using as a session manager but then you do things like like i advocated for a while i was like the tools are okay like if you

want a notepad you don't want them it's fine no it's not it doesn't support encoding editing it's really weird there's a few weird bugs with it right it's really odd and i was like but i like i like the uh the sister the task manager. The task manager is great. No, it's not. Reports incorrect memory values and has done for nine years and no one bothered fixing it. And then I was like, I like the little mouse logo. No, I don't.

Take a look at that logo. It's stupid. It's a stupid logo. It doesn't mean any of that. Yeah. There was not one thing. I can't say anything nice about any of it now. And people go, but it's light. No, it's not. not it's literally not it's literally one of the heaviest ones it's

light visually i think it doesn't have a lot of assets but it's a huge memory monster if you want a light desktop go use like matei or something you're going to have a better experience with it it doesn't there is no category in which xfc is the correct choice um and i once read in a forum that you're supposed to pronounce it x face and that sent me over the edge that was like i was like uninstall never again fuck right off with that because like this this guy wrote this full article about how everyone's pronouncing it wrong i was like if you want me to call it x face you should write xf a c e if you're missing the a and make it capitals it's xfce mate yeah that that reminds me of um there's a before free desktop became free desktop they were the x desktop group the x was supposed to

be pronounced cross yeah no yeah which is japanese to be fair but it's not a japanese project it's like that wouldn't make sense in japanese though you're like of but it's not a Japanese project. That wouldn't make sense in Japanese, though. You're like, of course, it's fine. I met a video once where I ranted about open source naming systems, like Matai, right? It's mate. I was like, it's called mate. If you want to say Matai, write it a different

way so we know. But don't look down on someone for saying mate when they see the word mate. I'll crop one up and write about that. It's gnome. The G is silent. It's been silent. Do you know why I think it's silent? Because I once looked at a dictionary

and I saw the word gnome. And it went, it's a silent G, mate. But yeah, if you want gnome, put four stops in it. G and, you know, like spell it out. Oh no, G-U- h and then n o m e god no there you go yeah no yeah um people get far too i think i think again part of my my evangelization of not being a dick in linux is like if someone says the name of your project

wrong that's not their fault that's your fault for not telling them properly i intentionally pronounce alacrity wrong sometimes. Yeah, alacrity's a weird one, because alacrity's actually like a proper word. That's the worst thing. It's one of those words that we don't say. I mean, it means speed, right? I don't remember that. It means speed. It's like an English word, but it's such a bizarre

off-the-cuff word that people go, because no one's ever seen it. I've been using alacree for like a week before I said it out loud. Brisk and cheerful. Brisk is the word. I thought you meant fast or speed. Brisk is close enough, right?

Yeah, it's close enough. Brisk can also mean cold. It seems to be fast in this context. Yeah, I thought so. But either way, it's real work. So that one is like, we should probably just learn to say that one, to be fair. Well, it's actually spelled differently. It has one less T.

Is it? Oh my god. I thought I'd been spelling the word alacrity wrong. Oh my gosh. The project is spelled with two T's. Their word is one T. Alacrity. I see what they did there. I've only just now realized that that is i actually see that i literally know alacra tty that's smart that's actually a really clever name i like it

more now great good work guys you got me uh sorry anyway uh yeah i ended up i ended up eventually um eventually grew who does some videos on my channel, people probably know Drew, he was like, just use a Tyler. I was like, no, I don't want a Tyler. I don't want to configure it. It's boring. He's like, it's not boring. You're an idiot. Just use it. Eventually, I just sent me this series of videos. I think

this is the videos everyone has seen when they first look at i3. There's this guy, I think he's Australian. There's this guy, he just did three videos where he just basically very slowly, like you're an idiot, explains every step of setting up i3 from start to finish.

I don't think I've ever seen those. If you're not, I'll dig them out for you. I'll send them to you. In fact, I think I might have them booked. I'll check on the screen. I could be wrong. It might not be an Australian guy. Remember it, Australian guy. But my brain might be filling the blanks

because I'm talking to an Australian guy. Of anyone who's curious, it's currently 7 a.m. So that's how long we've been going for. Okay, so there you go. There's the video there, right? Those three videos, I feel like everyone's ever tried i3

stumbled across these videos right and this guy like he explains the process and that's when i moved to i3 but i also think that's the bit where i realized that the terminal's awesome because this guy did all this that's great that's cool i think it was also like the gateway I had for just like being like a full-on embracing my inner nerd. It was, this was like the series of videos where I was like,

I fucking love configuring stuff and messing with stuff. I love it, you know? And it lasted quite a while. It lasted about a year with i3. And eventually,

the thing that made me move away was I wanted a bunch of stuff to open in a certain order on certain monitors when I booted up. So I looked up the tree loading stuff

and the tree loading stuff it doesn't work can I just cut you off for a second remember that thing we said earlier about how applications that

no one cares about are the things that get popular on Linux yeah what's popular what's here my fucking speed reading video that no one's ever heard

of this application it is doing better than my video that I did on NeoVim versus vim what's the difference in 2020 literally zero of you people have ever heard of this application why the fuck is this so popular tell you man it's the it's the pose with the book it's the pose of the book it's almost doing as well as my video where i talk about how Apple is tracking everything you do. I saw the title

of that video you did and I was like, of course they are. Yeah, this isn't news. Of course they are. The Apple fanboys were not happy with that one. Sometimes it's fun to poke the point. It is. I like poking the bear. Because I know exactly what the frogs will be.

The whole thing about i3 is it's really difficult. If you've got applications that don't load instantly, they take a little bit of loading time, you can't get them to consistently load up in the right places. And I know people are going to be on the comments now going, yeah, you can.

I'll do that. No, you don't. You think you do. You probably get in Spotify to load up on the right-hand side of your right monitor every time you boot up. And you'll be like, look, it works. Come back after an update and tell me if it still works. Because what will happen is it will take slightly longer after the update

or slightly quicker, which means it will slot in the frame for the other thing first. And it's just not long-term. Because I like to turn my computer on, everything I want is loaded. I sit down and just use it. That's it, yeah. I want to go workspace nine, and I know exactly where every application is going to be, and I can muscle memory, and I just work with my computer.

So whichever window manager I'm in, I want things to be in a certain place on certain keys. Like wherever I am, it's mod D for Rothy. Wherever desktop I'm in, you know, what I want with my machine. And i3 eventually broke. I basically realized I'd spent like in a week, I'd spent like three hours fixing like Spotify, loading the wrong window, and I was like,

I just don't want to do this. So I moved to BSPWM, which uses Bash script, which means I can be very clear on what I want and when I want it to happen. I can stand asleep, come out, you know, I can be clear. I was fine on that for ages. And then I ended up on DWM

for about a year, and then I went back to BSPWM for about a year, and now I'm back on DWM, presumably for about a year. then i went back to bspwm for about a year and now i'm back on dwm presumably for about a year because you know uh the difference between bspwm and dwm it like they're both great window managers that have a slightly different way of doing things i think ultimately i prefer the dwm way of doing thing way of way of use like i prefer master stack i like the minimalism but i'm also really like the the plain bash configuration of bspwm you know and like so i kind of conflicted but i think if i had to say which is a better window manager i might have to say dwmh say just because master

stack seems like the correct way of managing windows what if I told you there was a way to get MasterSAC on BSPWM and it works really well? Oh, I probably tried it. There's a script. There's two ways to do it that I know of. There's a script that does it and there's something alternate script which is a bash script people download. You run it and then it is your Windows.

The problem with that is I do a lot. I don't turn my computer off for weeks, right? So I'll float something and I'll use it and I'll put it back and I'll do something else. And as soon as you float something about three times and move between windows, it just shits itself, just outright shits itself, right?

And again, I feel like for me, a window manager needs to be rock solid. I need to always know how it will behave without any exception. Because again, that muscle memory, I don't want to have to think about using my window manager i want to happen like magic when i feel like a wizard right so if it can break randomly that might be something that might be like i mean my break in a way that makes that bin window i've been working on for

three hours invisible i'm like well there you go that's fair i just don't yeah i don't have it unreliable there's another way we can use a window rule that's like a magical command. It looks like a fork bomb, and you can give it these split rules and one little command. That breaks less, but then sometimes I get confused and be like, we're only going to split downwards now. And you're like, what? What? What?

But also, even if you do that, even if you do master stack, because of the way BSPWM is made, when I navigate in DWM, I'm not going to only ever going up and down, right? Where I always have to worry about left and right in BSPWM. And while it's technically master stack when it's working, it's not really master stack. Because the point of master stack is you've got the top of the stack

and you've got all the stuff underneath. And for me, it's not quite the same even when it works. But I broke it every time. Same as PopShell, I broke that real quick as well I use stuff faster than a lot and I open lots of stuff and I leave them open for ages I haven't

tested it long term, there's this script called BSP Layout which does master stack but it probably won't fix your key problem so that's the one thing you'd be concerned about There's obviously ways to hack it But

It's a lot of work to get it working exactly the way you want If I'm gonna If I'm gonna hack it to do this I might as well just use DWM I'm gonna start If I'm gonna start deep diving into the code to make it work I might as well just do C and just use DWM Which is basically why I'm back on DWM right now um and yeah it's it's kind of great right like it's a pain in the art it is

a pain in the ass setup but i'm interested in c c is a language i do want to eventually get way more savvy with it's a language i know that people say don't learn c in 2020 there's loads better languages but i have a i have a romantic interest in c because i remember it from when when it was you know i'm like I was born in 1980, right? For me, C was this legendary language growing up where everyone knew C. So I've got this romanticized interest in C. I'm interested in C.

So DWM is kind of an easy sound because I've got to learn stuff but at least I'm learning C. So I kind of have that appeal with it which a lot of other window managers don't have and people are always saying Xmonad as well is great. I've tried Xmonad.

People are saying it's great. I did try it. I hate Haskell. Mostly because the 10 trillion dependencies it has. I'm like, I don't want that. I don't want 10 trillion. I don't want to update my window manager and I get a billion Haskell things happen. I have Pandoc installed. I have the exact same problem already.

Use Pandoc-bin. Ah, yes, yes. Just pull your Pandoc out. Just put Pandock-bin. Ah, yes, yes. Just pull your Pandock out, just put Pandock-bin on, and you won't even notice the difference, but you'll have none of these Haskell updates. Okay, yeah, I'll do that. Good luck purging Haskell, because it self-references in its dependencies.

You have to hook them all at once to pull them out. Oh, God. Yeah, maybe just reinstall Arch. Yeah, that's no fun either, is come on like also dear arch just make an installer you're not like you're not impressed anyone anymore just just make an installer because i've got shit to do like i've done it many times it's fine i'm capable i don't have anything to prove just let me install my shit i don't want to write my own installer because that's what we have distros i think no I think my favorite thing about the arch installation

process is every so often they'll change it I think the reason they change it slightly is to break all of the videos that exist oh I'm certain they do that yeah and also they're um they when I the first time I saw large they had this installation guide which you print i printed it out i had a highlighter and i went down the list and at the end i had a working desktop right now they go here's all the links to all the other shit you choose your own way adventure no no no i don't want to choose my own way you tell me what to do when did you last install arch uh when i installed this one so let's have a look let's check the agent. They did something to piss everyone off. It's hilarious.

Last time I installed Arch was the 22nd of February this year. Okay, cool. So you would know the problem then, where it doesn't come with Vi anymore. Oh, it's fine. What I always did was just uninstall Vi,

uninstall Nano, then just install NeoVim, and then symlink NeoVim to Vim, so I don't have to worry about it. I always do that anyway, so I didn't even notice that change. Yeah, but all of the... No, it makes sense. All of the existing tutorials said, download the base packages, you'd get your editor, and

you just, you get EX now. So all of the... So they also have to add Vim onto that list as well. Wow. Wow. Nice. I mean, I think the other thing is I'm savvy enough with Linux at this point because I've been on it since 2012. But most things I don't look up.

I'm just like, I'm doing that. And every day I'm like, oh, I can remember that now. I'm not really someone, I've been here long enough that I know I should be an editor. I know my preferred editor. But yeah,'t, I know I should install an editor. I know my preferred editor. But yeah, like, oh, it's not coming with an editor. It does make sense. Because like, they're trying to keep it minimal and let you install something yourself.

So them arbitrarily choosing an editor does seem kind of weird anyway, right? Like, it does make sense to not come with that and just let you install it. I think they also changed, they didn't remove it, but they changed the tool that you use for Wi-Fi I don't know why

I think that They changed it from Wi-Fi menu to using IWD IWD is better right though It is But I don't know why they changed it And it was only in the installer You didn't get it when you set up your system It just came with the installer

So it's like it's change the installer for no reason. I don't use Wi-Fi, but I use system de-networking. The install guide tells you you can use system de-networking or network manager. So I'm like, okay, I'll use system de-networking because I prefer it faster and I use WireGuard for my VPN and stuff.

So it's better. But then later on in the tutorial, it'll just act like you installed network manager and you're like, no, I didn't. No know i need to assist no you know i don't want that yeah i'm just i'm just well i use wi-fi when i when i was first in this house i was like no so i just bought a really long network cabinet walked up the stairs with it and that's just what i've been using ever since i have power for ethernet because i can't exactly do that because my router's outside in the garage that's a long story for that one i'm like mine's like literally if you like you leave my office um and like like down the stairs you're just like the roots of the bottom of the stairs so i just like plugged into

that and i just run it up the side of the stairs and then just straight into straight into the office and then i've got that goes into a network switch here which feeds the whole to the bottom of the stairs so i just like plugged into that and i just run it up the side of the stairs and then just straight into straight into the office and then i've got that goes into a network switch here which feeds the whole of the upstairs of the house in the network which is quite a nice solution because otherwise i'd have to run a separate cable for my daughter a separate cable my server you know yeah yeah nightmare so your switch is nice i literally put superdue on the back of it and just slapped it on the other side of my desk which is like so classy because i realized like a year later it's not even remotely straight. It bugs me every day.

I don't even see it. I don't know why it bothers me. You know it's there, that's why. Yeah, it's just bugging. I'm thinking about it right now, and I'm not going to fix it. I'm not doing it. I'm not shredding the back of my desk just to go, it's not worth it. Not worth it at all.

Just, how could you fix it without fixing it so what window manager you actually on is your main as your main thing bspwm yeah you're on bspwm have you tried have you been on dwm i was on i3 for a year i've considered doing dwm just haven't got around to it yet but that is a project i want to get into this sounds like a self plug this is not a plug so leave this out your video right but um on my channel if you church for dwm there's a series of videos where me and my buddy drew are talking about dwm and it starts off with we researched dwm these suckless guys are such fucking assholes there's another video where like we was wrong i totally see their point and there's another video where drew's like i don't like it it's too hard to install right and there's another video where he's like so i learned how to do it here's the guy let me help you do it uh and it's

kind of fun to like watch through that and see how we just like we flip flop back and forth because we still both agree we kind of think the surplus guys are like like they're just like they're not they're not professional only they knew user hostile right but uh so we still stand by everything we said in those videos but uh like there's a patching guide on on the channel if you just search for the dwm patching guide where drew goes through like how to use git branches to to make dwm like actually like easy rather than having to manually apply each patch. That's worth, I think if you're looking at DWM ever, it's worth watching that because it's literally how I

let him learn it and then he made a video and I watched the video and then I went and made DWM. Definitely Git branches is definitely the way to go for that. It's the first suckless tool I ever run. I run DMenu and I have a bunch of patches. I used to run ST, so I'm used to the suckless way

of configuring and patching stuff. Yeah, I think with DWM, as soon as you apply one patch, you break compatibility for all of the patches, which is why git branches and merging is the only way to do it without manually doing it all. I just do everything manually. I think there's so many

patches have so many lines of code, it's almost like pointless work where you can go git branch this git branch this merge you're done it's like it's just it just makes more sense but yeah maybe you like doing that manually it can be fun yeah if they're that long like dmenu patches use like a hundred lines like I can

merge a hundred lines that's fine nah I'd lose interest I'd be on my third cup of tea and I'd just stop to go back to BSP maybe it's just that I enjoy programming though so maybe it's just that yeah nah merging's fun merging's more fun do merging

it's definitely easier it does sound like a bit of a time save for sure but to the people that aren't on Tylers like I do have a question for the people that aren't on Tylers you know when you've got when you open a window and you open another window and it's on top of the old window, right? Why? Why would you

ever want a window on top of another window? What's the fucking point? If you've got a window and you want another window, you want them side by side, right? Or you want just one of them full screen. There's never a time you want a stack of windows. It's a stupid thing

that we invented when we didn't know any better and people are obsessed with it still because Windows does it that way. It's like, as soon as you think about what you want out of a window, what you want,

you never want to drag anything and you never want them overlapping. And people have this mental block where they seem to think that it's good that they overlap but it's not good. It's very, it's pointless

because you can't see it. What's the point. It's pointless because you can't see it. What's the point of it being there if you can't see it? You might as well just full screen the thing in front. No, I entirely get what you're saying. I'll send you a screenshot. This is the one exception I have for floating windows. I'll bring that over to my thingy as well. When I'm trying to record a podcast,

the floating windows are nice as an option. So I can have my browser being recorded. Yeah, that makes total sense as an option, but that's the thing. You're using floating as a tool, right? You're literally using floating. So you've made the decision

in this case, you have a use case, which is why it's in all trailers. All trailers have the ability to float things, right? By default, though, that would be infuriating. if you're just trying to look at the thing behind that window you're like what are you doing yeah for me i just like throw more throw more monitors the problem like we're talking right now and i noticed when we first died that i had you on my right monitor which meant that because where my camera is i was kind of looking sideways that's not good so i put you on the right hand side of my main monitor and then i i pinned you to tag zero in

dwm which means that i can change all my desktops around right now and i still see you in the exact same spot so on the left here i'm flipping from desktop one where my web browser is to desktop two where vim is to desktop three where my terminal is and you're you've not moved from the right hand side of my screen on my main machine. And that's why DWM is great. That does sound very compelling. I see your point now. Really nice, yeah. So I can just flip between stuff really fast

and you're exactly where I expect. And that's just so good. And then just do that by just sending you, because anything that's been sent to desktop zero, tag zero, it appears on all tags, right? So if it's on tag zero, it's everywhere. So I can just open applications as normal and the screen with you on will always be there. So I'm not moving my attention anywhere. tags right service on tag zero everywhere so i can just open applications as normal and you'll

the screen with you on will always be there so i i'm not mixed i'm not moving my attention anywhere the ultrawide also helps for that you're you're convincing me yeah the ultrawide does sound nice actually how does recording with an ultrawide go because that was one of the concerns i had with when i wanted to buy one yeah i i have a script called 1080 scrub that I've got on mod U and I hit mod U and it uses XR and R to ping me into 1080p. So I just ping into 1080p, open

OBS, do my video and then just put it back again. I did a couple of videos in ultrawide and people either don't care or fucking hate it and won't stop telling you. So I was like, really I get a better frame like you always take a hit on on frames when you record game footage so i was like you know i've only got i've only got a nine nine six five six hundred graphics card amd five six fifty six hundred xt anyway i've not got amazing graphics cards i was

like i might as well make it easy myself and just record my game video in 1080 and then you know get the extra frames while i'm recording so i just yeah i just like hit the button do my video hit the button go back to what i was doing and it's fine yeah an xr and r just like especially in a window manager probably not so much in in in the desktop environment but a window manager you just like ping a monitor resolution back and forth no problem it doesn't care um i've even got another script because like this monitor supports freesync so if I hold down like mod shift and U rather than turning my screen into 1080 it turns off my right hand monitor which enables

FreeSync on my ultrawide so I can play Super Smooth which is nice that is nice but it's not nice that X11 doesn't support FreeSync with more than one monitor though so I have to turn it off that's annoying but it's nice that Linux lets me work around that with one button

yeah, yeah, for sure yeah, that is an amazing tool like I when I first plugged in my second monitor I was like, why is this not working? and I went and tried to search for ways to get it to work and I found this tool I was like, oh, I have to like

configure my monitor to be where exactly I want it to be. Otherwise, it's going to duplicate it or something. Sometimes it just won't show anything. But once you've got it working, once it's working, I can just turn my second monitor off. I can turn it on. I can put it above.

I can turn my third monitor on. I can do whatever I want. Yeah. Well, I mean, XR and R is the command line tool to do that. But there's a program called AR&R, which is a graphical front-end. People don't know about it, though, and a lot of people end up using all sorts of weird tools,

and AR&R will just make you a script that you can run, and it will just put your monitor how you set it up. It's really nice if you just want to configure it visually. I might have to talk about that one, because, yeah, that is a good point. People don't know about it. I mean, I know most people who have been on it for a while know about it. When people first come to Linux

and they want to use trailers, they're like, how do I configure monitors? AR and R is something everyone should just know about. It's another free video for you. It's fun. I've got like 600 video ideas. I have a, I scrape most of my video ideas from Reddit. I have the subreddits with interesting

things in it in RSS feeds and just scroll through those I even have Unix porn in there I only take the stuff that's tagged OC because everything else is garbage yeah I mean my video idea literally is just like whatever I'm doing

yeah that's fair I'm so lazy i'm the worst youtuber ever but it doesn't make you like really honest videos so i can respect that yeah but sometimes it does mean like this week all i've been doing is fucking around with uh with fucking around with like dwm is all i've been doing so like i've done two videos i'm like i can't make a third video about dwm this week i can't i can't do that so but i've got so i'm like i'll play some games tomorrow morning get some game get some gaming done tomorrow morning i have some thoughts then that's fair yeah so we are getting fairly close to the time that you wanted to that you said you're basically uh not free

anymore like 9 p.m whatever it was well 9, no. Well, 9pm, I usually... I have a standing play date with a friend where we play terrible games at 9pm. So it's not like we're off. But yeah, we've taught for ages. And, you know, yeah. I was about to make some more tea as well. So, you know.

Was there anything you particularly wanted to touch on before we stop? No, I don't think there's anything. We touched on all of the topics I sort of wanted to touch on before we stop? No, I don't think there's anything. We touched on all of the topics I sort of wanted to touch on, surprisingly so. Actually, no, one last thing. About Library or Odyssey, whatever they're going by now, why'd you end up putting your content over there as well? Literally, I don't really bother with or care about alternate

platforms because as i've said before i'm not chasing hits and stuff and if something becomes a dominant platform i'll just switch over then but some people emailed me um a copy i only took paid attention because i got two emails within a few days of each other where someone said uh like they literally where they are like one guy was at university another guy was in another country um they literally can't view youtube and they saw my videos over on bit shoot which is something i They're literally where they are. One guy was at university, another guy was in another country. They literally can't view YouTube. And they saw my videos over on BitChute, which is something I set up ages ago because it was a form I filled in, and that was it. It was just so low-hanging fruit.

And they were like, but that also doesn't really work for them anymore. So is there any chance we can go to a library, which they've got access to? So I logged into Library. I set it to automatically mirror my YouTube videos and that's the last time I ever checked it I tried to get in a few weeks later and it somehow lost it somehow hadn't associated my YouTube channel being synced

with the password I logged in with so I can't edit any of those videos and I was like I should fix this I was like I should get around to fixing this but also what am I going to edit what am I going to do it's just mirroring YouTube I don get around to fixing this but like also what am i going to edit what am i going to do it's just mirroring youtube i don't need to touch this and because i don't have to do anything i do it i really wish peer tube would just automate the process as well because i find

with peer tube i tend to go oh this is a video that peer tube people like then i'll go and put on peer tube whereas i think it might be nicer just to give them all the videos but i just you know it just seems like an extra step that i'm like i don't really think about it unless it's like you know i did when i did all my videos on on calabar the the the or the uh the ebook managing software i did my video on calabar i i did a lot of i put all of them on peer tube because i thought about it but then there was a bunch of more videos i just hadn't thought of and i was like i can't dump them all in the same dash they ultimately never got there but I really wish other services would

do the auto linking to YouTube because it just means that we just get in the videos everywhere without adding loads of extra work for the creation pipeline yeah I'm very lazy with the manually uploading stuff I do it to BitChute because BitChute's a big platform

because I can't I can't get it working I've tried it so many times it just never works for me when i when i i mean i don't i don't like i feel like bit shoot as a platform let's be honest it's a bit fascist not not being a dick here right but like i like my content is kind of like yay be nice to everyone everyone be cool right and like and then you go and then i'll see my video on bit shoot and there's like a man like this is my gun i was like you know i love it shoot it's fucking dumb you just go to the front page it's like we're gonna talk about the jews like can we not okay there's no i don't want my face next to a man talking about you like like how bad jewish people are i'm like i'm like that's not what i want i don't want that my whole shtick is i like everybody and i want

everyone to be cool and have fun right i don't want to be the next one man who thinks hitler was great you know like no i'm not i'm not into that you know like the time i was like i actually was like i want to find out how I turn off the sinking was when you had like, you had the one video that was a guy, this was in like last June,

where the guy's like, why homosexuality is evil? And I was like, I don't agree with that. Then there was my face on just one of my videos where I'm just grilling my ass off and playing an indie game, right?

And then next to that was a guy going, why women should not have the vote and i was like i don't want to be on this platform i don't know how to stop it anymore i don't i don't think i'm a good fit for this but the only reason it auto syncs for me was because the platform was in alpha and they emailed me and asked me to go on the platform and i was like all right and i went there and i was like what do i have to look at every video and i was like no no we'll take care of it and i just never thought about it ever again and every now and again i'll get someone like

like an email so i've had a comment i'll go there and it's like it's like it's like you're not fascist enough be more fascist and stuff and i'm like no no i don't i'm not that guy my first not that guy i just i love everyone my first comment onChute was I think I was talking about some proprietary software and they started accusing me of being a Jew. I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? Also,

if you are, that's fine. That's okay. I don't care. If you're a Jew, that's fine. Fine. It's okay. It's okay not to be an angry white man. I mean, it doesn't help me. I'm bald, right?

I've got a beard, right? Let's face it. At first glance, you could accidentally think I'm a white supremacist. I'm aware of this, right? I know this is a thing, right? I'm totally aware of that. I'm not a white supremacist. I think as soon as you watch my videos, you go, I know he's all right. He's lovely aware of that not a white supremacist and i think as soon as you watch my videos you go oh no he's all right he's lovely he's not a white supremacist

at all a bit shoot right a bit shoot right they see a thumbnail i'm bringing up the thumbnail for you right they see a thumbnail and they just assume i'm a white supremacist and they want to go there and they want to tell me they assume that right because they've got this thumbnail but i'm just sitting there with a backdrop and i didn't realize it looks a bit alex jones that that that thumbnail does i didn't really realize it at the time and i'm just like it's got it's got like it's got like like what is it 3 000 views over on like more than that yeah and the obs logo with that background does look a bit sketch doesn't't it? Yes, I know. That's why it's my number one video on BitChute.

Because white supremacists are like, he's one of us. I'm not a white supremacist. Also, that thumbnail is the fattest I've ever been on camera. Why is that the one where loads of people are watching it? That's not something I want people to see. I'm not that fat anymore, but that thumbnail still haunts me. I get the occasional comment.

Thankfully, no one knows about Bitshoot and I don't get very many comments on there. But when I do, I'm always like, how do I get off this service? Why am I still on here? I just take the approach of pointing and laughing. It's too much effort to be angry about it. I'm not really angry about it,

but at the same time, the internet spends so long laughing at white supremacists and fascists, we should be stopping them, not laughing at them. We should be going, whoa, don't do that. That is not okay. Here is why you are in error. Instead, we go we go ah you're

an idiot and like no like they just get more angry and they get more insular and they get they get they talk to other like-minded people and then you've got like you know you've got hitler youth again and it's you know i mean you've got you mean you know in america they've got they've got actual natses you know and i think partly to blame that is the normal people on the internet that go it's fine you've been a dickhead piss off you know and we don't stop them we should be like no don't do that that is bad i think you know we owe it to ourselves like every time we see a white proof everyone used to go bad don't do that instead of just going you're an idiot yeah anyway i have a little rant yeah that's fine if someone watches all the way to the end

they can have that rant I thought I thought about growing hair just so I look less like a white supremacist and I realised I can't

because of nature so I stopped trying nah that's too bad thought about getting a hat maybe a comedy hat

hmm is that wearing a beanie or something oh no no that's even worse no that's worse than being a white supremacist being someone who wearing a beanie or something oh no no that's even worse no that's that's worse than being a white supremacist being someone who wears a beanie you know i don't want the even worst idea of me oh god well i think that's a as good a point as any to end it uh yeah so usually the way i'll end this off is uh giving just some random channel out there

a shout out. So if there's anyone out there you've been watching who you think deserves a bit of attention Yeah Random channel. Does it have to be Linux? It can be literally anything. You can give me like some sketch comedy if you want Have you heard of this have you heard of this guy Linus Tech Tips?

Oh, never heard of Linus Tech Tips before. There is this channel, right? And every time I see it, I laugh my ass off. It's a really funny channel, and they get like four hits. It's really weird, right? Oh, my God. I think it's called like Phone In. They got 666 subscribers

right uh-huh it's called 14 right i have no affiliation with them at all right i just randomly found this when i was up like one night drinking tea and watching comedy sketches on youtube and they just make these weird like these weird like short conversation sketches and they're always like either so surreal but i end up like confused and go to bed or i end up genuinely laughing out loud it's a really interesting little channel and yeah and i just can't believe that even now and you've got 660 subscribers i think i had about 100 subscribers when i first jumped when i think going on for quite a while what the hell how do you yeah i. They're so good.

Not all their stuff is gold. Some of it's just really weird. But even the weird stuff is kind of worth watching. But they work so hard on it. You can see from the preview things. They work so hard on this channel. I don't know who they are, but I can't believe they've not got at least a couple of thousand subscribers. I will have to check this one out. Yeah.

As for me... Some of it's weird. Yeah, well... The Lonely Robot sketch is just odd and a bit uncomfortable. But still, they worked really hard on it. I'm forgetting his name. Not Tom, Tim Tim

That's the one? Tim, I have to find Tim on the internet Ah, here we go No, it's this game developer, Tim Kree I'll send you a link to his channel I was speaking to him on Twitter the other day He's making this physics based game

He's been making games for a while But he's currently making something called Octahedron where you're like this little spaceship and you fly around space, but it's all physics-y based and it's kind of interesting. He's doing a game developer vlog series which is basically going over the process of making the game. Plus he did this really cool video called just basically going over like the process of making the game plus he did this really cool video called uh using obs as a sub using obs as a cellular automaton to create amazing patterns basically he took the idea of using the obs preview window and when you overlap the preview window with itself you know how it like creates the the infinite yeah yeah if you combine yeah if you combine that then with like um like sharpening effects

and stuff it creates like really weird patterns because the rendering completely breaks and you can make some pretty awesome looking things with it that that that can't be that can't be good for it i mean that i feel like somewhere inside you can hear something screaming like someone's gonna what the fuck is happening? Yeah, I noticed that I get some frame drops when it happens, so it's clearly not good. It's got a new cool effect, that's bad. Yeah, it is cool.

So yeah, this guy only has 534 subs. The game's awesome. I don't know why it's so small. And he's developing it in God't know why it's so small. And he's developing it in Godot as well, which is cool. Godot's good.

I still prefer it when people are like, I just made my engine in C myself. I always prefer that. Godot is a good alternative. Can I get one more? Go ahead, yeah. One more little recommendation. Again, not Linux

related, but we don't have to get Linux. I'm not recommending this because I think the YouTuber needs it, but Adrian's Digital Basement on YouTube, this guy's got 90,000 subscribers, so he doesn't need our shoutout, but the reason I want to recommend this, right,

is because this is, I think, one of the best channels on YouTube, right? And I think there's a lot of people, especially in the Linux community, that will love this. This guy, basically, there's a series on this channel where he just repairs Commodore 64s for four hours and just talks about what he's doing,

does some solving and shit. And it is the most amazing accidental ASMR you'll ever see. And he's just really excited when they work. And he's like this amazing electrical guy who keeps going. He'll do this ridiculous shit with solving. He'll go, I'm not actually trained, so this isn't a tutorial. And then he'll do ridiculous

science. And you're like, how? How? I don't understand. He's a really good channel and I think a lot of Linux people would really enjoy watching him fix old computers and stuff it does look pretty cool yeah it's really cool it's commodore 64 series he just does a repair-a-thon where he's got like five commodore 64s and he just bins them all to find it like he goes through the binning process to find out which ones are working which ones and he ends up cannibalizing one to fix two more it's a really great channel and he's and he's not a great channel. And he's not a YouTuber type.

He's not trying to do the YouTube thing. He's just a dude that likes fixing old shit. And I really respect that. So yeah, you might like it. It's fun. It seems like the algorithm really likes him. He only has 90k subs, but he's getting some videos with over 50,000 views.

That's... Some videos here have over 100,000. What the hell? Yeah, he's doing great, right? So that's what I'm saying. I'm not recommending for him. I just think that it's one of these where he gets all these views, and then every time I talk to people, I'm like, do you watch Adrian Black? And they're like, what the fuck's this? Who's this?

And I'm like, no! I think I'm responsible for all his views, because I'm always telling people to watch his Commodore 64 repair-a-thon. That might be my fault now I think about it. I'll have to check that one out as well. That also sounds pretty awesome. Great. It's great. Okay, so where can people find

you? The best place to find me or anything I do is over at hexdsl.co.uk. That's where you'll find my blog, which most people won't care about in linux because i mostly i read a lot right and i write book reviews and stuff as well as there's some uh there's some creative fiction i've written on there so that's not for you right but if you

scroll down there's an area called places you can find me which is where you'll find my mastodon link my youtube link and rss feed for the site itself if you are interested um and the thing people always want which is my github repo because everyone are interested. And the thing people always want, which is my GitHub repo, because everyone always sees the thing and they're like, how I want that? Give me your.files. Please upload your.files. Have you checked my GitHub? The number one thing,

the number one question I get on my videos, whenever I show it on my desktop, they go, what web browser is that? Firefox. I put the tabs on the side and get rid of the UI. It's all I've done. So I got asked the question so many times. I made a whole section in my.files called, how to make your Firefox look like my Firefox. Because I was so...

Now I just link it. I even did a cosmetic URL, so you can go .hexdsl.co.uk and it takes you straight to my Git repo just because I was so bored of replying to the same email. It's not even that weird what I did. I just put the tabs on the side and got rid of the, you know, that's it.

I didn't do anything weird. People are convinced it's some kind of weird alien browser. It's just Firefox. No, but it's got to be like Surf or something. It can't be Firefox. Yeah, that's what people think. People are like, oh, my God, you made Surf look really good. I'm like, did I?

Did I? No, Mozilla did that, actually. surf look really good. I'm like, did I? Did I? No, Mozilla did that actually. I just made it. Mozilla. Great job with surf, yeah. But I know, I mean, at first glance, it does look different,

but it's just like the reason I'm on Firefox, the reason I think Firefox is a good browser because I want, when I'm on a browser, I want my tabs on the side because I've got an ultra wide.

I want to use the width, right? So I want my tabs on the side and I don't want the UI. There's a reason for all that. That's fair. Cool. I don't know if you know what I'm talking about there, actually, in my browser. Yeah, if you want to send a screenshot, I'll send it to anyone who doesn't

know what it looks like. Yeah. I'm just trying to... You can tell I'm on a new window manager. I couldn't remember what key I bound to to do that have you not bound the keys the same yeah I had to move some keys

around because I wanted to add some extra bindings I was like what did I put my upload button to I was like oh shit there you go though oh yeah no I can see why people think

this looks weird yeah I get why they think it but I was so bored of answering the same question that's why I was like I need to uh yeah I need to I need to document this but yeah you can you can do that for videos another video idea

for you there you go actually it already was a video idea i just haven't got around to it but no it's nice because i can hold down shit i can hold that like shift and then use j and k to move up and down the stack and it makes sense in j and k when you've got vertical tabs because you move up and down the stack or I can press a button to, to get rid of the sidebar entirely. And then press B like in Vim to navigate the tabs directly like that as, as a buffer stream. Um,

and then I obviously I use a, I use a plugin that lets me use Vim commands in my browser. So I can hit F for hints and then, you know, so I can use it way more keyboard driven cause you know, I like Vim. Yeah. Makes sense to me.

That does sound cool. Yeah. But yeah. And also i make youtube videos usually about three a week anything from dwm tutorials to to gaming to just a book i read you know um i try to do just stuff i'm interested in so i can keep making genuine videos rather than you know trying to think of topics that's fair i'm not very good at thinking yeah yeah. Yeah, I read quite a bit myself. Currently, I'm going through... Okay, the title's backwards. Atomic Habits by James Clear. Very good book. And you've got your Unix book there somewhere.

Unix, A History and a Memoir by Brian Carringham. It's weird because I hate reading print, right? When I read a book, I want to read it on my kindle because my kindle is always in my satchel so it's always with me so i want to read on my kindle and also i can read it in bed because it's got a light on it so i like my kindle right um before anyone shames me for having a kindle right they're great they're good i like them i don't buy the books from Amazon. I get them from DRM3 or Pirate Bay.

I put them over myself. I'm not advocating their service, just their hardware. Yeah. Brian Kerrigan, the version of this book you can buy on Kindle or you can obtain on Kindle by any method necessary is a scam. Brian Kerrigan, one of the

guys who created Unix, can't figure out a way to make a proper fucking version of this book that's not a scam. Brian Kerrigan, one of the guys who created Unix, can't figure out a way to make a proper fucking version of this book that's not a scam. So it was easy for me just to buy it and read the paper version. That wouldn't surprise me if he fucking wrote it in like trough or something. Just re- Hey, trough is fine.

No, I do like it. But he seems like the kind of person who would do everything with trough is fine trough is fine no i do like it but he seems like the kind of person who would do everything with trough yeah yeah it's uh you know i mean he probably has i just think it's a case of like he kind of he's an older guy right he's probably just like fucking book just buy it like it's probably his attitude is just simply just a fucking book he's fucking by the book you know he's like stop being a hipster just by the book but yeah so i've had to buy a print just and it's like you i read a book a week every week, which is how the blog exists. But I'm like, I keep starting this, then putting it down again

because I'm like, ugh, paper. I read in bed, I'm like, I need to get a lamp, and I'm like sideways, and my arm gets tired. I'm like, oh, it's horrible. I don't know why. I don't know how I ever read paper. It's just awful, which is a sign of the times, right? Nah, yeah, that's fine.

Yeah, I'm a big yeah, that's fine. I'm a big fan of... Just breaking stuff. I'm a big fan of paper books myself. It's nice. I don't have a Kindle. That's my thing. If I had one, it'd probably be great. Paper books.

I'm not against paper books, obviously. But for me, I had a lot of books to the point where I didn't have... I was using them as table legs at one point because I just needed to put them somewhere there was literally one of my desks was held up by but i was like this is stupid uh so i just basically got them all again on on digital version and got rid of them and then like i ended up with just a night of tire and kindle i'm like just like it's got a backlight i can really embed i can tap the screen to you know it's it's so much better for my use case and the fact that i'm always reading more than one book so i used to like go out and

i'd like which books i take with me because i'm all reading like three and it just yeah for me the kindle just makes more sense but there are other e-readers available before anyone shouts at me yeah well i might forget one at some point but I don't know pretty good okay so yeah we'll end it off there so before we go I would like to thank all of my supporters thank you to

Chris, Yoakim, Donald, Cobinion, Andrew, Nathan, Montelachi, Gabento, Joseph, Mitchell, Piddity, Road, Tony, Tushar and the $2 patrons

if you want to go find my stuff I'm available on the Brodie Robertson channel I do more planned content than this that's just all Linux stuff this podcast'm available on the Brodie Robertson channel. I do more planned content than this. That's just all Linux stuff.

This podcast is available as an audio release on any way you can find audio podcasts. And the video version is available on Library and YouTube. So watch whichever version you want. And yeah, that's pretty much it. Any closing words? I'll be listening to it everywhere. Bye, everyone. Yeah. Awesome. You don't actually have... I've never actually asked anyone to promote it but if you want to promote it

go ahead i'll promote i just don't have to say any of this stuff again then i've said it now just point him at this so i can just go out to play doom i haven't got to say stuff oh thank you guys for watching i'm probably gonna go have a nap now