Tech Over Tea - #48 LBRY, Odysee & The Circus - feat Mantega

Episode Date: January 27, 2021

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I already started recording so we're still pouring the water for a bit welcome to episode 48 of Tech of a T I'm as always your host Brady Robertson and today we have someone who I don't know what else you do besides advocate for library welcome to the show Mantega Mantega how do you say your name?

is it Mantega Mantega? yeah yeah thanks for inviting me man yeah no worries Mantega? How do you say your name? Is it Mantega Mantega? Mantega, right. Yeah, yeah. It's good like this. Yeah, yeah. Thanks for inviting me, man. It's a pleasure to be here. I've seen you hanging out in the Librarianomics Discord a bunch and I thought you'd be a fun guest. I've caught a couple of your videos that have popped up on Odyssey from time to time and you seem like a fun person to talk to, hey thought it'd be a good episode thanks man thank

you so for the people who don't know who you are why don't you tell people what you usually do on on library or odyssey as well i guess because yeah yeah well my name is mantega and i i have a channel called Atmanteiga and Library Rats and Odyssey as Rattonauts United. And, well, I'm basically trying to create more community in Library and Odyssey by doing funny videos. Sometimes I try to do tutorials. Sometimes I just do silly stuff. And, yeah, the whole idea is that what i realized that there's few people doing comedy in this platform and uh i think comedy is a great way to create community so i am like yeah i'm trying to to make more fun and to create more fun in the library and odyssey that's that's the

goal yeah i have noticed that there's a lot of um a lot of the niches are starting to get starting to get a lot more people. Like Linux has a lot of people in it. Obviously crypto is a lot. Gaming as well. But you're definitely right. There aren't that many comedy-focused channels, are there? Yeah, yeah.

And that's the thing I saw like at one point, but with the lockdown especially, like usually what I do for a living is circus shows. I like since that explains a lot actually since like I'm 14 15 I work with circus and and then I you know and the main reason why I work with circus is because I love to make people laugh like when I met and I make people laugh in a day, when someone's laugh, my day is worth it. You know, I go to bed and I feel good.

And with everything that happened 2020, there was no way to make people laugh. Like all my gigs were canceled. And then I thought, okay, I'm going to do internet humor. I'm going to try to do something on the internet. And then I tried to do things on YouTube and Facebook. And it just didn't feel right. Like I was having a good audience there.

I was doing like, I think the episode was called The Last Tourist because I used to live in a tourist island and it was full of tourists and all of a sudden we had no tourists. So it's an African island. Most of the people, you know, like didn't have anything to watch. Like there's not so much comedy related content to that audience. And I thought, OK, I'm going to make for these people here comedy uh comedy that you know there's one tourist that got stuck in the island and he can never leave the island because he's stuck here and he's the last tourist and I had like planned the whole series with ends like the final episode was supposed to be the tourist going back into the

into the airplane and the new tourists arriving yeah but that never happened I was like oh crap now I like it was supposed to be I don't know one months two months so I recorded a lot and I think they are still in my channel like if you go to the my very first videos on library and all they say there's like the last tourist and after that i thought okay i'm gonna make something else but that's that's the thing like it didn't feel right to do things for facebook or or youtube or instagram and then i thought okay i must have to find a corner there must be a place on the internet where it's still nice or where it's still not a crap and uh man i couldn't believe when i found the library in odyssey like i think i'm still in this disbelief

state that i'm like can a place be like this can like really this idea be so nice because man it's it's really like it's yeah it's i don't know either we are in a bubble you know and we are drinking something that's making our brain not function really well or I don't really understand why the rest of the world why the rest of the world don't realize how cool library and all you say actually are like it's an amazing idea so how yeah yeah that's so been yeah that's so i cut you off there i was gonna say uh how long have you actually been on library and odyssey for because it feels like you've just been around the entire time i've been around but you might have started a bit after i did

yeah yeah i think i did i i started in uh only in july or august of last year. Oh, wow. Okay. Way later than I joined. Yeah, yeah. I joined and then I started making videos. And it was also the place where I got answers back, you know, like I think I did try some other place, but I don't know. I think for videos was a library and now they say my first place, well, library back in the day. Yeah, yeah.

And actually people who are watching and that was amazing. You know, I was like, wow, people are watching this. And then soon enough, like I think in my first or second week, I already thought, okay, people are watching this, you know. Because I got a bit, you know, like internet and making content for internet is a completely new world for me. You know, I'm a very analogic person. So I was, you know, researching before and people were talking about paying Facebook ads and YouTube ads. And I don't know what kind of crap ads. And I thought, you know what, I'm going to just get, you know, 100 bucks, a little bit more.

I'm going to put into buying Lc and see if it makes a change if people see my content because anyway i just have to invest once and it's not gone like when you make an ad facebook or youtube or instagram you pay for that and then it's gone your money you know you use it and and with lbc you have it and i was like one of the bigger problems with um facebook especially i don't know about like twitter and all that but i'm pretty sure it's not like this on the other platforms on facebook if you have like a facebook page they will actually limit how much your page can actually be sent out to people unless you actually pay them to boost up your content in reality it's just sending out the people who it's supposed to be sent out to anyway.

Yeah, yeah. No, no, it's like it's the whole thing. It just became a advertisement platform and yeah, like I didn't see much future on that. And in library and Odyssey, it's so amazing, you know? Like that's why i say to new people that join the platform buy as little as as much as you can from lbc just as you start because it's worth it because you know everybody else is just entering and just once in a very greedy position they just want to not everybody but a lot of people they think okay I'm just gonna get and

get and get and you have to give something as well and it was one of the best things I could ever done you know like it was really well spent and uh and also this feeling that you're using crypto because not every crypto you use every every every hour of the day you know the other day I got posting on Twitter oh I don't use Bitcoin I just see huddle yeah and I use every day and I just replied okay but LBC I use every hour every hour even when you're sleeping you're using LBC so it's crazy it's not seen it doesn't at least I can't really speak for a smaller channel but at least on my channel

I've noticed that LBC don't really have as much of an impact anymore. It might just be because my channel is always in like the technology tab on Odyssey and in that case you're basically competing against the other people in that tab.

Like when it was just library I noticed that if I put like competing against the other people in that tab. Ah, okay. Like, when it was just library, I noticed that if I put, like, you know, 60,000 LBC on something, that would have a massive effect. But it seems like... Not to say that LBC has less of an effect now, it seems like there are just more, I guess, people exploring the platform just looking

for content yeah like the feeling i have now with odyssey like i don't even know in which tab i am if i am in any map but uh what i what are the impression that i have is this that uh you know yeah obviously doesn't make so much sense now in odyssey because it's kind of curated i think is the word yeah that they select a bit who is going to be in the first page and it makes sense why they are doing this and uh but yeah only now man like since one week i start to really boost my content with lbc again because i also got very lucky that my first 100 subscribers they were really great people like really great people and they could boost my content so I think I got used to people boosting my content you know and I also I was like okay if I put a video on and it's good somebody's gonna boost it and i don't do it for myself because then i just

believe that you know my better and not so good content is going to be sorted out through the community whatever is good it's going to be boosted and whatever is not it's not going to be boosted and then i don't have to worry about it yeah so it's only since a week that i that i start to boost my content getting late on the train because now it doesn't make so much sense to do it but i'll do it because i thought anyway like there are so many weird let's put the words content being boosted and then i'm like better if i can boost a little bit mine as well and oh no i lost you here i'll be back little bit mine as well and oh no I lost you here yeah cleaned up quite a bit though since back when I joined back when I joined

the front page was just nothing but garbage like you look at it now it not even just on Odyssey where it is more curated even over on library there's actual like good content just on the home page yeah that's true no yeah well i don't know what when did you join the platform uh i joined i think december 29th yeah december 2019 oh so not too long before you joined yeah it's true. Back then I think the other to get into the top hundred channels you needed to have like over a hundred and twenty subscribers or something like that. Yeah yeah. So I basically got into the top hundred straight away but do you know like how many you need now to be in the top

hundred? Because the number is crazy. Well, after a president joined, I think we got even... Yeah, it's definitely going up since then. No, more. More than 10,000, I guess. It's 12,000 now. Yeah, but as I think, you know, I also, when I entered the platform, I joined some Discord groups where they were talking about the ranking and so on.

And I didn't pay much attention to that then. And I don't pay much attention to that now. That's fair. What I realize that is good is to just, you know, think about the long term. And the long term, you know, like it's 10 years, it's 15 years. It's whatever term you know like it's 10 years it's 15 years it's whatever you know and and that also it's a very good feeling to have you know that how many people put 20 years 20 years now 20 years maybe it's too much but well maybe 20 years now 20 years too much but in a year 10 years of their

life in YouTube mm-hmm in youtube the youtube started in 2006 so 50 there are some channels who are still going for 15 years yeah or like even if it's five years even just one year of your life you know that you really put on and you focus on youtube and then they just go there and click and then you're gone yeah and then you're gone and and you know this is like yeah it does it doesn't make any sense that people trust so much uh uh third-party platform for that you know so like uh i cannot see like i only see a future where library and odys Odyssey will be the place to go like or or something that evolves out of this idea because man, how how

How else can you be safe of your content, you know, like I Don't know if you're you if in the future library or Odyssey is gonna be like the platform everyone uses but I have been advocating that people use old platforms from the start like i don't understand how how there are people with multiple millions of subscribers who just trust their entire business just on youtube existing obviously youtube is the biggest platform you have to be on youtube if you want a channel that big but you don't just have to be on youtube there's no reason it has to be like that. Yeah.

And that is also what is really amazing. It's like how hard it is for YouTubers to realize that, you know? Because they spend so much time and they create a community and they became a bit narrow-minded, you know? And it also pissed me off a little bit when I joined a library at the beginning because it seems like everybody was waiting until the YouTubers come up. And it also pissed me off a little bit when I joined a library at the beginning. Because it seems like everybody was waiting until the YouTubers come. They come. Oh, next week the YouTubers will come.

And then I'm thinking, like, why the hell are we waiting until the YouTubers come? Why don't we just start ourselves, you know, to move on? Because they put a lot of their time. And it's the way they know how to do their life. and it's the way that worked for them for so long or it's the way that they are kind of brainwashed to work you know so we can work like we can wait another maybe five years until the youtubers actually join you know people join sometimes when they are banned and even when they are banned you know like why don't before they get banned they start to do this that, you know, they cut their videos just five minutes and tell people go to library and all the same words, you know, like,

you know, I'm what I'm focused now is like not so much what is not going well but actually what we can do on it and there's so much potential i'm so happy that wow every day you know like i i wake up with like five six different ideas for library and odyssey content because there are so many things like and i have to learn so much and every time i put a video then somebody comments on it and i realize okay I have to grow I have to because you grow with a platform you're growing with a platform and that is such a privilege to have you know and even if it sinks we will be sinking with the platform and at least we are part of it you know YouTube I think people are not even sinking they are just being completely like atomic bumped you know

like one day you're gone my friend and there's no costume service that you can call and there's nothing you can you know and all the you like all the crypto youtubers on Twitter begging to to YouTube to have them their channel back i mean that's so ridiculous i mean come on like you you spend hours of like you have hundreds of videos telling oh yeah use crypto be decentralized i can understand like the politics guys and stuff being confused about it but you were in the crypto sphere how do you not know about this yet even if you yeah or some people are like i just don't want to use it because coin all of that nonsense so just don't even think about the crypto part then just ignore that i don't understand why you're not here yeah and uh and that's the thing, like I made recently a video talking about the bullish case for LBC and so on.

And I talk like, I don't know what you think about him, but for me, it's like one of the biggest crypto guys is Andrea Antonopoulos, this Greek guy. And he's like, I think he's amazing what he does, you know, and so much knowledge. he's amazing what he does you know and so much knowledge and uh yes he will never say something about library or lbc because of course he's the big bitcoin guy and he's not gonna do endorsement for any kind of project you know but just the fact that he's here with his video synchronized here that he trusts library and odyssey enough to have his content and to have his brand here, it says a lot more. It says a lot more than if he would go out and talk good

about it. It's what he's doing, it's not what he's saying. So, yeah. But, yeah. Let's see what's gonna happen. I think there will be a point where we'll be laughing so much because all of them will have to be joining because you know it's what it looks like and then you're like okay why you took so long you know yeah i can hear your uh your discord going by the way i just heard a uh discord notification oh yeah i think i have my discord notifications on yeah you have to just i want

to warn you because I know I have some audio listeners and they're going to start thinking that they're getting Discord messages. I think now I turn it off. Sorry, I don't do many interviews. That's all good. What I was going to say about

people joining the platform. I have noticed that more people are starting to, like, join, I guess, early now. Like, recently, one of the big people who joined was ElectroBoom. And he's got, I think, 4 million subscribers over on YouTube. And when we start seeing people like that join,

I think that's when, like, as more people like that join, more people who have existing channels are going to start feeling more comfortable actually joining the platform. Because they're going to see, hey, someone with that many subscribers is here. Clearly, there's an audience for them. That's sort of one of the hardest problems about getting people to actually come to a platform. Trying to convince them there's actually an audience. You're obviously going to have the people who are hardcore dedicated to the platform will only upload on the platform or the people who just want to be like the early adopters but for whatever reason there's just a lot of people who don't want to use a platform until it has a

user base even though you don't necessarily have to only be on the platform like i still upload on youtube and most of the youtubers on the platform still use YouTube. Yeah, yeah, for sure. But I think with ElectroBoo, he actually is taking advantage of the fact that he's going to be on Odyssey. He's going to re-upload a couple of old videos that got deleted. Because he did, there was one video

he did where he shocked himself so bad that he could have killed himself and YouTube was like, no, we're going to delete that one And actually I say one there's a couple of times he's done that and he's gonna re-upload those videos that got deleted Yeah, but that's what I mean like Who the hell gave the rights to YouTube to dictate what this guy is gonna show or not, you know You know if his audience wants to see him getting electrocuted you know maybe you can have like the age censorship or whatever like not censor but

what's the name like the age restriction well they do have that that's the worst part about it they just yes it's like yeah so yeah i don't know i don't know what's gonna be the answer i what i what i feel like is that library and and Odyssey has a bright future, you know, has a bright present already. Like right now, the way it is, I find it really nice because we have, well, we have a lot less trolls. We have a lot less. I don't know how it's in your channel, but it is in my channel. Like, and I think in your channel is the same. Like people are so nice. Like I'm really surprised of how nice this community is you know like i have seen a couple of spam accounts

recently there's someone who's running a couple of uh bot accounts who keeps being like i made so and so amount of money with bitcoin in this amount of time click here to to join the scam yeah yeah i guess if you have the word crypto or if you say too many crypto things or Bitcoin on your channel, then you have this risk. But I mean, yeah, those are things that we have to deal with.

And it's okay. But I mean, actual people being really annoying and being really toxic that is that is a rare thing yeah for the most part people seem to be pretty chill on on odyssey for sure and it is nice to see that people are actually commenting now like now that there actually are notifications people actually interact on the platform because you can actually see when you know someone's replied to you which when i first joined the platform no like it wasn't just that no one commented because no one was using the platform even when people did comment i didn't know that someone had so someone

was less likely to because most people typically will comment because they're trying to get like the creator's attention and i would have no way of knowing that someone's actually commented on my videos yeah yeah yeah I got like just in the moment of this kind of transition like at the beginning I only had like 20 or videos or something so I was like going not every day but every two days going through every video and checking there was a comment on it yeah like it's that's what I'm saying like we are growing with a platform you you know? So if, and yeah, the same thing with the likes and the hadoukens, the fire that, you know, it was known before. So now it's weird, for example,

that I can go to your page and look at an excellent interview that you did a few months ago and there's no fire there. Nobody put a fire in it, of course, because it was a few months ago and uh these things is just oh was me or you no i've got my discord closed huh yours ah okay i can close mine oh man you're a genius okay just close it okay well you did forget to unmute your your speakers yeah exactly. Yeah, exactly. You see, like, with technology,

I'm glad that I'm, like, yeah. Technology is not my thing, really. Well, now it is. I have to stop saying that because now I have to grow with it, you know. And Libre and Odyssey, it's for sure a good motivation for that. Like, the platform still varies. Like, one of the good things about Libre and the state it's for sure a good motivation for that like the platform still varies like one

of the good things about library in the state it's in right now there's a lot of people on the platform but it's still quite small where it's still like if you go say make a gaming channel on youtube for example there is millions of gaming channels if you want to be a gaming channel on odyssey though there's not really that many. There's a couple of them. A lot of them just aren't very good, though. And if you want to stand out on Odyssey, right now it's actually really, really easy to do so. Yeah, definitely. Like in any kind of content creation, I guess.

Like basically, yeah, it's funny that yesterday i got a comment or this night someone writing me this it was like oh maybe it's uh it's hard now to do something because you know and i was like come on man like anything on odyssey and library now can have a huge potential because people are like really looking forward to to seeing content here and especially content that is made for this platform and for the people here because we are such a small community i think like we are a bit more than half a million people you know that's that's very small that's judging by how many subscribe to the live the official library channel it's 500 000 right now or 570 000 that's that's crazy yeah it's crazy it's like the the population of the country where i used to live keeps weird you know and it's one

it's probably the smallest country in africa you know so when you think about that and then and then you think about the fact that every day i don don't know how many, but maybe it's thousands of channels are being censored in YouTube, you know, like if you think, and then you do the math, and then you're like, okay, it's normal that at the beginning, we are going to have maybe a lot of people doing with politics, maybe a few people doing with crypto. But soon soon enough many people will understand that freedom of speech is something that is really necessary in this world and it's not supposed to be a privilege and uh and like to have just five percent of the world's population in in library or no just say that would be i don't know how many millions but that would be like at least a tenfold or

twentyfold From where we are right now and that's it's like yeah, that's very bullish well, I've been saying this from the start but um The way the the platform is gonna grow is kind of like an onion. Okay, so Like when you peel an onion right obviously the onion has layers we're gonna do shrek references here um but the first people who joined the platform were the crypto guys because you know obviously crypto guys are going to look at the new crypto platform

then from there you sort of got the the politics people the guys who are getting kicked out of youtube then from that you saw you had like more general tech stuff so people like me who do like you know Linux content and from there you start getting you start expanding out into these like other areas you start getting like the gaming channels and the commentary channels and eventually you're gonna have like you know the what was you gonna have like the makeup channels the toy channels and as as these layers keep expanding because it's not like someone who watches like a gaming channel only watches gaming content they're gonna watch this other sort of content as well so

as these other people join it sort of affects all these other groups as well but if it was just crypto people on the platform you're not not really going to be able to convince like a makeup channel to join. But it's getting to the point where as those groups are starting to actually come to the platform, there's more and more of a reason for them to actually come check it out. Yeah, for sure.

And to be exposed to crypto as well. Because whenever a makeup channel comes to the library, then they are exposed to crypto directly, you know. And then it has a huge potential also for tutorials, you know. Many people do crypto tutorials. And I thought about it and then I got lazy. Actually, I already run three channels. So I can call it lazy, but I work like 40 hours a week.

Yeah, exactly. Like at the end, it's hard to create content. Like it's not hard. It's pleasurable to do it. But to do a new channel, it's a whole bunch of new effort on it. But one huge potential is like, okay, I want to teach people how to use crypto. Join Library and Odyssey because then you're gonna have crypto for from day one and with that crypto that didn't cost you anything we are going to play around you send me a fraction

of an lbc because even lbc you can send fractions of it you know not everyone is using and thanks god because i'm sending fractions of lbc it. But anyway, you have already the person exposed to the asset and you can already teach how to use it without the person having to have any cost. Because usually, like the few people I got into crypto, it was always like, OK, I send you five bucks of crypto. So you're ready. I think it's very important to have already exposure to it too. I mean to have the asset already with you that you say okay I have it and now what do I do with it. But yeah I definitely see this that many people from all over and actually like I heard already two or three times from circus friends or friends that are not in the internet

talking about Odyssey. That is foolish, that's incredible. That's pretty crazy. I haven't heard about Odyssey and I was like, ah yes, I think I heard about Odyssey. Because I haven't still, you know, like I also had this thing when I started doing content that I have quite a following because of my Circus work. I have already a following. But I thought I want to start to see if I can really have people to measure that I'm doing something good. It has to be people that don't care about me. Yeah. about me yeah so if i tell all my circus followers oh yeah i have this channel here they might come

and they might be nice to me because they already know me from my circus work so i haven't you know i haven't uh how you say mix those two worlds yeah but uh i think they will come they will come together to a point you know and i'm looking forward to that day, you know, where everybody is going to be, oh, have you heard about that? And I'm like, yeah, okay. I'm already there for since a while. You can just check my channel. And that is also this effect that when somebody joined already a platform and trusted so much making videos, when they join, they will be feeling assured that they're like okay my day has been here for like half a year and has a lot of videos and they will go through my videos and they will see the comments they will see that people are really nice and that makes a yeah a nice effect i've talked about this

story on the podcast before but um when i moved back to the state i'm in now when i was i think When I moved back to the state I'm in now, when I was, I think, what would have been, like, what year is it now? 2021? So, 15 years ago. Back in, like, 2006. When I was, like, getting my computer set up, first time getting something better than dial-up, it was great. My cousin was telling me about this new website that had just come out called YouTube. It was a couple of months old at this point.

There was nothing on it. But I remember this story. For the past 15 years, I remember this story. And that's sort of where I want to get to with Odyssey, where I can just be like, hey, have you heard about this new website that's been around for a little bit? There's actually surprisingly content here. Because that's one of the other differences between when YouTube started. No one really knew how to make videos on the internet.

But now that we've had YouTube for so long, we're sort of going to see this. I think it's not just happening with library. I think it's happening with all of the old tech platforms as well. We're seeing this content revolution where people who really weren't able to get a foot in because YouTube's just so saturated in every single sphere are going to be able to make these really good videos and actually have people looking at what they're doing

because there's just not as much to see. And I don't know what's going happen the next couple of years but I I have I'm very hopeful for like new just new talents that weren't ever able to get their foot in like there are people on YouTube who've been doing it for like two or three years who have like a couple hundred subscribers and you look at their videos and you're like why do you have so few subscribers like how does this this is better than what I'm making. Why are people watching me? Yeah, I completely get it what are you saying and You know like since a while since I got the new camera

I was actually using my crappy phone camera, you know to do all my videos not even the back end the phone camera is fine like the selfie camera of my phone i was using to do every video yeah to make a point you know well i also i didn't have the money to buy a camera but also to make a point that you know library and all they say now it's so much at the beginning that even with the front camera of your cell phone you can do a video and if you're doing from your heart if you really believe what you're doing and blah blah blah it's gonna it's gonna pick up you know a bit of time not that i have the biggest channel but what i made to what i think i was able to create is a good community around my channel

and that was my whole point you know and that you it's the same if you have 200 people or if you have 2000 because a good community is a good community and what it creates is that you know you you wake up and you feel like doing a video yeah yeah and yeah i think i i completely get your point many people are wasting their time and their energy on YouTube at this point, you know. And they will either change or they will not. But what can we do?

One of the biggest reasons I stay on YouTube at this point is because I don't know what platform will be the one that ends up replacing it. Like, BitChute is massive. I don't think it will just because of how much baggage it has, but it does already have a very large user base. So I feel like if I wasn't on there

and it did take off, I would really be doing myself a disservice. That's why I'm sort of like spreading myself out on all of these platforms. I'm going to be wherever the next big platform is. I don't care if it's BitChute, I don't care if it's Odyssey, I don't care if it's BitChute. I don't care if it's Odyssey. I don't care if it's, I don't know, some,

let's just say Dailymotion takes off. I don't care where it is. I'm going to be there because I've missed so many platforms that have exploded. I wasn't there when, I wasn't even making content when Vine took off. I didn't think TikTok was going to take off. Look at what that's

become now i've missed out on all of these opportunities i'm not going to miss out on the one for video creation yeah yeah i understand your point of view but you know in my case for example i'm glad i missed out on tiktok seriously like seriously because but you can use it to direct people to odyssey huh you could have used it to direct people to odyssey in this sense yes but that's the thing like i think these people will get directed here anyway because of the world politics and everything that's playing out in the bigger scheme you know and uh yeah what i like a lot about library and odyssey is that it's so chilled it's so chill you know tiktok you have to be doing something crazy and every 15 seconds i'm just watching somebody watching tiktok i never watched tiktok in my life i just watched

one person watching tiktok yeah and i was like i don't want to have anything to do with it and then some friends of mine they actually got into tick tock some circus performers you know and they have like 15 000 followers and blah blah blah and and i'm like thank you like uh i i really like actually the fact that library and odyssey are so slowly growing because I believe in slow growth. You know, things that go parabolic, they usually crash parabolic as well. Have you looked at the graph for the library growth right now? It's getting a little parabolic. Yeah, I know.

But still, people holding LBCs are that everybody's buying at Lambo, you know? Yeah. And it is the moment. And it's not that it came from yesterday. It's since 2016, I think, this thing is growing, you know? Yeah. So I think, and these I feel like very comfortable, you know, to say that I think I got in this platform

when it was already very user-friendly, you know? And I really respect all the guys that were before because, man, it was already very user-friendly, you know, and I really respect all the guys that were before because, man, it was such a hard time to be before in a platform where there was almost nothing created on it. I've spoken to, like, Electron and Brendan, and they've been here basically since the start. Before there was even, like, a graphical interface

to find videos you would have to just write stuff in the terminal and you would find it which is not a good way to find content at all yeah and that's the thing and that's what i think it's the most one of the most bullish things besides the decentralization and everything is that the people that are holding behind this platform they're tough man they're tough you know like they could have given up already like they had so many reasons to give up this already for so many years you know and they are so that's the point why i'm doing like mostly odyssey and library exclusive content because I wake up every day and I upload here. I know that it's going to be staying there

as long as the blockchain of this platform exists, it's going to stay there. And I'm going to funnel my energy towards the library and all they say. And of course, I understand you as a content creator that you also want to... I completely get your point you know like try to see but for me right now like uh like in my other career that i had with circus it was the same

thing you know when you tell people okay i'm gonna be a circus artist hardly anyone is gonna say oh my god that's a great idea my friend you know but uh it made me really happy that i did that you know like i i traveled the world i yeah like i i really had the i had the life of a millionaire without all the responsibility in a way like i was traveling the world i had a lot of free time i was doing what i like i had yeah a lot of people clapping for me every time I was doing a show and blah blah blah. And I also felt that by doing, because you can be a circus artist in a circus, or you can be in a theater, or you can be in hotels, or you can be on the street. And I did all of those. But the one that I was mostly focused was on the street.

Because on the street, everybody is there. There's millionaires there. There's everybody is there. There's millionaires, there's, there's beggars, there's, there's people with money, without money. And you take people by surprise because they don't expect you to be there.

And, uh, you make a change on like so many people say, oh man, I was having such a hard day. And then I saw your performance and then that completely changed the mood of my day. And it might seem ridiculous to even think that that is important, you know,

but I think that makes a difference when we are able to shift our energy from a bad day to a good day and when we are able to shift many people's energy on that. And I think I'm starting to have this, like, just, yeah, today I had a comment a bit like this, you know. starting to have this like just yeah today I had a comment a bit like this you know oh you know man I was you know I'm not so positive but every time I see your your videos it brings a smile to my face and then I'm okay I want to bring this but not not only this but also in the right place in the place where I believe it's the right one you you know, because circus hotels like for example Cirque du Soleil, when you're a circus artist everybody talks about Cirque du Soleil. Cirque du Soleil is crap man, it's like the McDonald's for circus, you know, what they do is beautiful and blah blah blah but

they're truly the McDonald's of circus, you know, saying that Cirque du Soleil is the best circus in the world is the same thing as saying that McDonald's is the best restaurant in the world. Why? Because they are the most successful financially. And since when this is like the measurement, you know, not being completely anti-capitalism, but that's not the only measurement

in this world to measure value, you know? The same thing with Library and Odyssey. Metrics, for me, don't count so much in the sense that, you know, my content is going to be there maybe for decades without anyone being able to delete. And that I think no other platform can offer me right now. And so I stick with the entry, what it looks to be the most entry fragile of all of them, you know, because I also believe that circus shows were very anti-fragile. And it's true.

I can go to some places in the world now and still work really well as a circus artist. But I never expect that. I don't know. I don't know how old is this profession, maybe 10,000, 15,000 years old, a circus artist, and we were always able to work, and now it's one of the hardest times for us. But it's going to pick up. And I think I expect the same to happen with Library and Odyssey,

that it might not be so fast-growing as other platforms, but it's's gonna be more resilient in the long term at least in the uh idea of what like a modern circus is 1770 is the number that google is giving me but people entertaining other people obviously has been around for thousands of years before that yeah it's shamanic it's a like a from what i understand what we do like with circus and performing artists like we are like shamans we do like if i take the ball here and i put on top of my head it looks impossible and you think oh my god it's either a trick or it's a glue or you know because why does it look impossible because nobody would waste their time in their

life to acquire this skill that takes to just you know have a freaking ball on top of your head you know it's just too much time being wasted you know and so yeah I think what we do as content creators now

it's also a bit of shamanic work in a way. You know, it's just a little bit more with technology. You're like a technologic shaman. I think that's the title of this podcast. Yeah, maybe not. Shamanism. Meet Trigmin Tagge the Technologic Shaman. Oh, okay.

All right, then. You got that. I don't know what to say. So, you've been talking a bit about that crypto throughout this were you actually at all interested in crypto before you found library or was library what

actually sparked that interest well in 2019 or 18 2019, 2018 wow it's so good that I forgot the date, actually. I had a surgery and then I was

you know, like I couldn't do my work and I couldn't work with what I had and I had to just stay resting. And at the same time, Brazil got a new president during that time.

So I think it was 2018. And then I was like, okay, I have to, you know, there's no point of me focusing on what I cannot do, what I can do. And then when there was a new president coming to Brazil, I was very afraid that it happened something that happened already in the history. That is that the president just comes and takes away all the money from all the bank accounts. From everyone. That happened already in Brazil once in the 90s. That they just take the money from everyone from the savings accounts. And that happened twice to Argentina recently.

And it's something that people that live sometimes in First Nation countries, they cannot believe that something like to Argentina recently. And it's something that people that they live sometimes in First Nation countries, they cannot believe that something like this is possible. But hey, guys, I will tell you, tomorrow, if they want to do this with your money in your bank account, they can do it. So that sparked my interest in crypto a bit, you know, that I had heard a bit about it. I had a little bit of exposure to it. But then there was the moment where I was like, okay, I'm going to be very dumb if I don't do that. It was 2018, of course, because it was the bottom of the bear market or very close, was around 4,000, the Bitcoin. And then I just took

all the money I had in Brazil and I convert to crypto to be able to take away from the hand of the of the government and then you guys know how it how it went afterwards it was like and yeah so i i learned in that moment and it was a very good learning curve because i got into in a good moment you know and but my interest mostly with it was like to really escape a kind of mentality that I I wasn't supporting that government I don't support any government in the world actually but especially that one was looking really bad and I was like well this also comes now afterwards now after reading a bit I find it so nice that you know before we used to have religion and politics together and that is an absurd to think

nowadays and the same way I think now money and politics they are together and that's also absurd to have so inside of this yeah there's a dog okay you can oh my god we cannot have discord messages coming through my podcast yeah uh see if we find out she's gonna stop see if i'm not gonna stop come on everybody watching they are fine with it okay i think you know it's good to see that we are in the real world you know what to think you're going to a bunker every time you have to do a podcast there's a uh a little chihuahua next door and um my pitbull isn't really a fan of it so that was a very loud part for a chihuahua no that that's that's the pitbull that was barking and you when did you get into crypto and stuff because i have no idea

um ask your question i'd say probably i'm not as deep into it as as you sound like you are but i would say probably six or so months before i joined the library no okay that was when i started buying a bit i haven't really bought that much but i i don't know i'm starting to get onto the Bitcoin train. I think, I don't know, people keep saying it's going to go to 100,000. I don't know. Maybe it will. Yeah, read the Bitcoin Standard, you know. That was the book that really helped me to change my mind, to see how serious it actually is, you know.

Because that's one of the things like in 2016 a friend of mine talk told me about crypto and he was actually mining and a lot of machine he was like hitting his house with the machines 2016. that was the first time i heard and i was inside of a house of a guy that was mining it and and then what nothing man like he never took the time to explain me what the hell was that it was just you know i could see that it was taking a lot of time of his life and this i understand and he was always coming oh i made 50 cents more and i was like what the hell and uh yeah and he never took the time to really explain me what it is you know because if he would have come on my take a buy 500 bucks of it, you know, I

Would have done it and would have been a very good deal to do it, you know, it's my 500 You know, it would be a bit going a whole bit going maybe in 2016. You know even more. Yeah, okay So this is one thing that I that I keep with myself, you know anyone that asks me about crypto, I make sure to try to expose them to five bucks or to whatever. So they already have the access to the assets. They can see it moving

and they already feel empowered. Because I think it's, I think it's going to pick up a lot. Like when you, like when I read the Bitcoin standard, that book really changed my perception on it because it talks about the whole evolution of money. And it's the same thing like with the religions thing that I said before that, that I think it's not in the book, but I read somewhere else, you know,

the Luther religion from Martin Luther? That religion, for example, had an idea that could have been done by other religions before Lutheranism came. Why it didn't happen before? Because there was not the technology to support the idea. What happened with Martin Luther is that was the same time that he had that idea, there was the printing press. So he could print his idea and to

spread that idea. And the same thing, I think, now happened with crypto. That everybody knows that governments are crap with money and that they are doing really horrible things with it and that the central brings you know everybody knows everything that is going dirty with money all the money laundry blah blah blah but it was not the technology to fight against it and now we have technology to

fight against it and that's why and there it comes the value from Bitcoin and crypto. Well, Bitcoin mostly, not all of the cryptocurrencies. I think Bitcoin is... No, there's a lot of cryptocurrencies which are basically just hey here's a Bitcoin with a different name. Yeah, exactly and yeah like Bitcoin is for sure the most important one because it's also the one with the biggest network of people. And that's where LBC comes to be my second guess because LBC has a network of people surrounding it, which now is very little. It's just half a million. But it's so nice. Man, people at the beginning of the Bitcoin, they couldn't do what we are doing, you know.

Like people are watching this video now through blockchain technology, you know, or like on the base of it. And that people from Bitcoin, they couldn't prove that point so easily, like you can prove with LBC. And now to help all the governments in the world, they are really like saying go for it, And YouTube and the big tech, they are our bigger sponsor. I actually want to take this time to thank all the governments in the world and YouTube and all the censorship. You guys are doing a great job for the library and Odyssey because they are being our biggest allies in a way because the crappy way that they work with all those policies, it's just, you

know, anyone with a brain will just join here, you know. I managed to get something, my hand got too excited about it. Well, with Library, when I joined the platform, I think LBC was probably around like one or two cents have you seen the price uh price now i'm not looking at it i heard about the like i don't know 16 cents or something like this and i'm like you know now is the moment to chill like now is the moment to be like the beginning of Bitcoin that the best people were the ones that forgot that they even had Bitcoin. Yeah, there's a lot of people who constantly talk about the price

but I do like to check in from time to time just to see what it's actually like and I cannot find American dollar on here. What is going on? I think I have it's 10.8 i have a you know in the browser glad made that ah yes a browser thing so it's on my browser it's over 10 cents now

that's true i could see every day in my life oh now it's covered again that i have in the browser i'm gonna start but yeah yeah that's crazy that's how much folder like at least a threefold you know but it seems to have been like going massively up with the um the massive spike we're getting in users what happens when we hit like two million users three million users are we gonna hit like a dollar is that because the coins been to a dollar before it's not unreasonable for it to be there and that's sort of it i imagine this is what it was like in like the early early days of bitcoin where it was like this coin is worth literally dirt there is no reason for me to have this i'm just doing this because I can.

Because it's easy to get yourself like, say, 20,000 LBC right now. That's not really that expensive. What's 20,000 Bitcoin? Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, for sure. That's the thing. Yeah. i'm i completely i don't think lbc is going to hit like 40 000 anytime soon but what i'm saying is that it's going to keep going up as people keep joining the platform it's going to hit a dollar it's going to hit more than that and as i'm not saying that you should dump all your money into it don't ban this video youtube but there are three ways that you can get it and one of those free ways is just to use the platform i even forgot that we will be

in youtube with this video yeah we will okay yeah no for sure like that's the thing i i believe there is a long like and that's the thing if you if you look at the graphic of lbc okay you can look at the short term and you're gonna look wow bullish but if you look at the long term when you look like the big spike that has i think went up to even two dollars or something crazy like that and then what you see it's like every other shit coin in the market you know that goes back parabolic soon and then gets that and of course that is not a good sign for LB because it just looks like every other coin in the market but a difference in community and that's why like that's why I'm also trying to work on my end in community building

because I think we say in the library we have a community and we can see our faces as well, you know, and we have a way to express ourselves that no other community in the crypto space has. And that makes such a difference. And there's a value on that, which hasn't been priced in yet because that's the thing, like Andreas Antonopoulos, again, he's the guy saying, don't buy any other coin because everything that's being done now with this stable,

no, with this shit coin is going to be done with a Bitcoin. You know, like any of these privacy coins, any of these things, eventually it's going to be in the second layer, third layer of Bitcoin, and it's going to have the same functionality. And I know that, for example, you can write sentence on the blockchain using Bitcoin. But as I think the way that LBC works and the way it's projected to be it's very different from the idea of Bitcoin

you know and there is a lot of value on that because it's supposed to make very little transactions for the videos to be on the blockchain and blah blah blah and again I say again like

if LBC wouldn't do things that are very different from bitcoin andrea antonopoulos would be the first one say he would say you know why everybody's joining lbc and and library and odyssey you know there will be video on top and maybe there will be because we are in the beginning of internet with crypto you know when the internet was in the 90s nobody saw whatsapp nobody saw live streaming nobody saw things like this you know netflix or let's start to stop using company names give me some good all the streaming that well now we are in the dot gg or i hope that's open source but anyway nobody saw the full potential. And that's true with Bitcoin. But for sure

what LBC has done already is like it creates so much value for this coin and for this project that it's amazing to watch something like that. And for that you need time. And that's why we look like every other

shitcoin. Because you need time to do that's why we look like every other shit coin. Because you need time to do that. And we are on it since a few months and we see the development. It's not that, you know, everybody is just, you know, just sitting down and relaxing. You see every week, you see a development in Library and library and odyssey they try things new they exchange which is one thing that i have to say about odyssey that i don't like so much is that they completely cut any kind of feedback with the community this i feel yeah really like while library and they are always asking so what do you guys we are here we are together odyssey they took

for themselves the responsibility of doing this, and they completely shut down the community, like the communication. And then I don't feel nice. I don't know how far they will be able to grow with that. So if you're watching Odyssey.com, watch also in library.tv. I will clip this section. I'll send it to Tom. Yeah, yeah, because it is important.

Because that's the difference. For example, you enter now Odyssey and there's this thing, Relax, with still big tech. I don't know what the deal with that is. I don't know. Nobody knows. Nobody knows. And I made a video about it.

I sent to Tom it. And I think they just don't want to listen to the community, you know, there's no feedback, there's no bouncing feedback, you know, like every content creator that was used to the communication with library before, you know, that was, it is a huge privilege, I don't take for granted, you know, to have a place that they listen to the content creators, it's a huge privilege and that was also one of the reasons why i really enjoy you know joining this platform and with odyssey i felt that there was a cut and i understand the reason for that cut because they want to curate content that you know it's going to get the average user. But still, if you're going to do such a harsh cut,

there will be some things that are not so nice about it. And this sentence, relax, we are also big tech, is one huge example of it. Anyone entering that thing, it's the first sentence that they said. And I don't know for who is funny that joke but you know i used to work and i still work with jokes every day of my life and to start your platform having a really bad joke just at the first thing you see in the platform it is horrible man you know it's and and and that they if they don't take any feedback from the community how are they

going to grow, you know? With a lot of the stuff that Odyssey has been doing, Julian has been doing a really good job. I really hope that that joke at the start wasn't his idea because it just doesn't make any sense. The reason people are joining Library isn't because Library is going to be the new big tech. It's because the term big tech is going

to make you seem like a way worse platform plus um do you know okay odyssey was probably the worst name they could have ever picked do you know have you seen people saying did uh things like odyssey is owned by google have you seen anyone saying that? Because there's a very good reason why they're saying that. I heard the back conversation saying already that wasn't owned by Google and then I think they... Do you know why? Okay so Odyssey, in I think 2016, was a completely different platform. So there is a... Sorry, 2015. There is this article here.

I'll send you the article, actually. Thanks. The chat window here. So there was a video... So an image sharing platform called Odyssey. And this platform shut down, like Google likes to shut things down. They always do that. After it shut down, like Google likes to shut things down. They always do that.

After it shut down, Odyssey, or Library, you know, started doing their thing, and then eventually decided to buy the domain. So now, the second result when you look up Odyssey on Google, is Google acquires Odyssey. I don't know why they did this name. It's such a bad idea for a name they could have picked anything else but then also having to relax with big tech just sort of keeps those rumors going even more like oh do they is it really owned by google no they're not owned by google they're just dumb and decided to pick the stupidest name they could find.

Yeah, but that's the thing. Intelligence, it's something that, you know, it's very hard for one person to be intelligent alone, you know, and yeah, of course, it is important for you. But, you know, and that's another huge thing about Odyssey and library. I've never been exposed to so many good brains all at the same time. You know, like I'm mind blown, you know, by the amount of intelligent people that joined this platform. And why does it do that good to the platform? Because there's feedback. And of course, what you're saying, it's completely true. Why did they pick up their name?

They never asked anyone like come on guys if we are you know all of this on this together you know you're using we are using our most pressure resort in this platform you're using our time you know you're spending your time on this platform i'm spending my time on this platform, we are trying to get even more people to put their time in this platform and time is now the most pressure resorted resource that we have as human beings and if they don't take this time to listen to all these people that are putting their time there as well, not saying that we will have all the answers, but at least listen to it, you know? And this feedback, this like cut feedback it's gonna

either it's gonna stop soon and they will realize that wow you know actually we have so many advisors for free that we can use or we will see that yeah more stupid stuff is gonna come through and it's gonna be even dumber And what can we do about it? I can't speak for other channels, but I know that for me, I still do. Like if I do anything on Twitter or Mastodon, it still is pretty easy for me to get in contact with people like Tom and Jeremy. But it's nowhere near as much as it was before. Like if you're a big creator on the platform it still is pretty easy but as you start like it it's not like it was before where you know some random person would suggest an idea and then you'd be like oh that yeah yeah that might actually be

that might be something that works um i definitely do see the cut feedback you were saying. But we can move on to something kind of positive. Yeah, for sure. Your microphone appears to be noisy. It sounds like your microphone is making noise. Please consider muting it or changing the device. Go away, Jitsi. Oh, my God. I'm so good at this.

No, that's my microphone that was doing that. Oh, okay. I don't know it I'm recording my microphone directly so it's not a problem I guess if it sounds fine to you I don't know anyway um dad have you seen this tweet here you get yeah I don't know where's the chat. Ah, now I found it. Yeah, left-hand side.

Yeah, yeah, now I... first time using this. Let me take a look. Oh, you were asking before if Jitsi is open source. Yes, it is. That's why we're using it. Ah, yeah, yeah. Ah, yeah, that's what I thought. Because, yeah.

All right, yeah, yeah, I saw there's live streamer. I cannot believe there is a live stream Yeah, like joke about it. So anyone listen Possible I just anyone listening to the audio version right now what I'm showing on on the screen is a Odyssey posted a tweet saying live stream test is looking good and you have a very angry looking picture of Tom as the picture they're using but It seems like we're getting live streaming um there's a live chat that's there as well i don't know when it's going public uh they're looking for beta testers right now i haven't put my hand up for it just

because i don't know i haven't i probably could do it if I wanted to. Um... I'm very excited. Definitely very excited. Yesterday I think I saw a streaming. There was a guy streaming a game. A Spanish speaking guy. Okay. He was streaming. Yeah, yeah.

And I joined the stream but I don't have anything to talk about gaming so... I was lost there. How would the stream, but I don't have anything to talk about gaming, so I was lost there. How would the stream work? How would the stream work? Because I know that's one of the issues we're going to have with... Because we still don't have video transcoding, so whatever you... Like, the quality you stream in is the quality you're going to get, and that's all. Which is going to be a problem for people with kind of, like, slower connections.

Ah, okay. But was it watch for when you were trying to watch it it was uh i there was no real person on on the screen it was just uh the video game no i mean like was the uh the stream like laggy or anything no i think it wasn't laggy no no, no. No, no, it seemed that it was working good, yeah, yeah. I think it's... But I was really surprised. I never thought they would do live streaming. Yeah, it's been talked about, not just since I've joined, like, four years prior. They've been like, oh, streaming will come eventually.

I didn't think it was coming now. Like, actually, it's just working. Yeah, yeah, for sure. But yeah, I think it's going to bring to the next level, I mean, just working. Yeah, yeah, for sure. But yeah, I think it's going to bring to the next level for sure because people are used now to streaming. And yeah, it's going to make a difference, that people can do real-time things on the platform. And well, tipping the creators also live with the currency.

It's crazy. It makes a lot of sense like imagine doing a stream and that people can tip you directly with a with a crypto i don't know if now that happens in some streams people can yeah there's um add-ins for things like coin tree that can actually show notifications on screen when you get a tip. Obviously there aren't any for LBC right now, but I can't see any reason why that

couldn't also just be... Someone could build an extension for that, and then if someone say, like, tips in LBC, I could have a little pop-up on the screen saying, hey, so-and-so... Because we have signed tips as well. So, so-and-so tipped whatever they wanted to tip I'm excited for it

Yeah, no for sure. I'm a hundred percent on it And I think I could talking about the tips it comes also the effect that the sooner or later we will need more exchanges to to start exchanging LBC net, people on board. And yeah, that's also an important part of the evolution for the platform. But yeah, maybe like with live stream, it's going to create even more demand for it that you want to buy LBC. So you want to be able to tip people with it. The thing is when live streaming goes more public

I'd be very happy to use it because I already stream on YouTube Twitch and DLive at the same time so I'll just add an extra platform to go to and I already have an established audience on on library anyway so it would be

no extra work for me. I need to get my gaming channel on library, though. I haven't done that just yet. It wouldn't be difficult, obviously, to just go on Odyssey and click sync, which is nice. I love it. It's so much easier to sync channels now. I remember when I first started, if you've synced one, that's all you can sync, and if you want to have

more synced, you would have to, like, contact the library team and say, hey, I want to sync an extra channel. Yeah, no, for sure. And I would like, yeah, it would be good if you do that soon, because what I think is that soon we are going to have a mass migration of channels. And I think we had already one moment that I got two or three friends to migrate their channels to the platform and they said, oh man, it's taking so long and then I got in contact with the

support team and they told me, yeah man this week we have so many channels that are trying to sync all at the same time from YouTube, so I think the sooner you sync your channel, the better because we don't know how that's going to be you know, it's like there might be a point where there will be,

I don't know, thousands of channels every day trying to sync to Odyssey, and that might take, I don't know, two months. I have no idea. Well, I can sort of like push myself ahead in the queue if I really wanted to. I do have that advantage. Yeah, yeah. It's going to get to that point very soon. Yeah, yeah.

That's the good thing about being an early adopter. Well, there are some people who could definitely push themselves ahead. Like, say if, I don't know, PewDiePie wanted to join, he wouldn't wait two months to join. They would put him at the front of the queue. Yeah, they have the priority by subscribers. Like, if you have more subscribers in a channel, it goes first in the queue and so on. But, yeah, that's what... And we don't know, you know, maybe 10 channels with more than a million people want to start to sync soon, you know, and I don't know. So, yeah, I think, like, right now we have to enjoy this moment that we have.

And, you know, for good and for bad, you know, let's enjoy that we have just half a million on the platform half a million people that means a lot less toxic people that means connect to people a lot more and yeah and so on like there are both sides on the equation but whatever we whatever we need to do we we should do it right now. You know, if we wait too much, it's, yeah, it's not much point. Yes, sorry? No, no, no, yeah. I was going to say, when I first joined the platform,

it was rare, like, not just there wasn't many comments, it was rare to see a video that had more than, like, 100 views with a viral video on odyssey at the time most of my videos now get like on my main channel at least get like 500 or so views which is basically half of what i get on youtube a lot of the time which is insane and it's only gonna grow from here yeah yeah yeah i started paying attention more to views recently you know and i and that's where i realized that the the boosting the content really makes a difference actually like not only on views but also on interactions i don't know why

you know but uh yeah like I really believe that once Your channel pick up a certain number of people, you know, there's a there's a lot of interaction, which is really nice which is which is the whole point of what we are doing, you know, and I think like it's a basic human need is for interaction and The more people you have that interact with you the more you want to do your content so yeah so besides the other communication aspect what do you think that library sort of needs to work on it could be functionality it could be like community stuff it just anything like what do you

what do you think right now is the most important thing for library to work on well i think like the most important thing for library to work right now it depends on us it depends on me on you on us doing it what i would like to see is more people taking risks you know and and trying to do different things with this technology that we have. Personally, I go chicken a lot on my projects. I take a long time to do them. If you saw that I did the eating like a king with LBC for a week. I did see that. Yeah, and that took me so long to actually put myself to do that. I was, why didn't I do early?

Now this week, I did this idea that, you know, you create a support channel where you have, I don't know what we are going to have, that's the biggest question, but where you have kind of a Patreon page for your own page and that people can go there and the people that really enjoy your content and they want to support you as a Patreon or something, they go there and they buy your content from there which can be special, exclusive content or it can be just a message of you saying, hey guy, thanks

a lot for sending me 100 LBC from the, you know, is the idea still in development? But I think that's the thing. I think Library and Odyssey, they will grow a lot, not only when all the YouTubers join, but when we, inside of the platform, we start to see all the possibilities

that this platform offers us. Because I think there are very few content creators that are even thinking about that. This platform has so many potentials, so many things that in other places you cannot find, you know. And even for jokes, you know, like the potential of jokes that there is in library and Odyssey, it's amazing.

Like this video I created, which I don't know how much it costs, but I think like 1 billion LBC to watch. That's also like like where other place can you do that you know that you make a video and then you i think brandon he commented he said like i don't think there's enough lbc on the network to pay for this and you know like there's so much potential for everything in my case it's like no sense and comedy. In the case of technical channels is to create interactions with the audience that you can do with technical stuff that I don't know what it is, you know. But I see so much potential, you know, that I think it's like the biggest change and the biggest growth that there will be coming is within the community. It is not something that the inc can do it's something that we have to do it as a community that's a um we

mentioned before about the patreon sort of use case i'd never even really thought of doing that because i know some people have done some content where they like have a price on it. I know Lunduk has these comic strips that he charges for and that's cool but I actually think that would be a nice addition. That is one of the things that I was gonna say you can can definitely work out interesting use cases for the library as a community, but when it comes to actually having those things just work more seamlessly in the platform, I think once they've been tested out by the community like that, what you've done there is a sort of hacky way to do a Patreon sort of thing.

I think it would make more sense if you could have a separate tab on your page that was here's the paid extra content for the super fans, whatever they want to call it. I think that now that you've sort of explored that idea, that there's definitely something that could be added onto the platform to make that actually work better.

Because I think with LBC, or with just channel creation in general, actually, I think it makes sense to be able to have people I guess what's the word? Yeah, I guess that works. Yeah, fun to create that they're actually

enjoying and if that one of those ways is buying extra content they do, I think that can definitely be a interesting way to approach it for sure yeah what i mean many people donate a lot to my channel like i'm really surprised you know i'm really happy for that like there are some very generous people in library and other thing and i like i'm really really thankful for that and what I feel that these people they donate because it comes from their hearts you know I work with donations most of my life I used to be a street artist you

know I'm there with a hat and I know that the people that are donating with me not only those just because they thought I did something amazing because they connected to me in a human level you know so I'm I'm 100% sure that you know all these people donated from their hearts because I didn't give anything extra to them you know they just donate like everyone else like they saw the same content as everyone else and donate for that content you know and even with a donation or by boosting my video and what i think that could be nice is for me as a content creator to be able to say thank you to that people even if it's just a video me saying thank you that i you know if everybody decides if somebody decides to donate me 10 lb, that there's a feed of me just for that person saying thank you.

And in my case, I can do a small circus trick or something like this, you know, or blah, blah, blah. But yeah, what you say is true. There is a potential for a library to create a separate page, which is already the Patreon page. And yeah, maybe that's a good idea that we send them this feedback. Because I don't think the roadmap for 2021

isn't out yet, is it? The what? The roadmap now that I've seen. Okay. I've been, yeah,

I've been interested to see like what they want to do, but seeing that live streaming's already coming like now, I don't know what

in the world the rest of the roadmap is supposed to look like. Yeah, yeah, true. Yeah, yeah, like, that's the thing. And that's what I'm saying. And that's where we are going to decouple from all the other shit coins, you know? Because that's what we are doing now.

Yeah, LBC has a use case in this case. A huge use case, a huge community behind and, you know, like, I hardly see any kind of future where it's not going to take off, you know. And I personally haven't invested

a lot of my money because I basically, when I discovered this, it's when I also became jobless. So that's why I am able to do so much content as well on it because right now where the hell can you do a circus show you know where can you gather people and doing online things it's oh it's horrible for the heart to do online shows that is but anyway i really believe that the library and Odyssey are with a huge potential

and yeah, like the roadmap. Yeah, maybe that's one thing to be added to the roadmap if they think it's a clever idea, you know, to have like a small tab where you can click and you go to the Patreon page of the content creator. And yeah, that would be cool. I would be happy to see that. Let's shift focus a little bit. So I've never been to a circus show myself, but I have been to a couple of comedy shows and not being able to go see any comedy this year or last year, I guess now.

There's a couple of comedians who i really really enjoy and not being able to see them live i don't know it just makes the year feel like it hasn't ended properly and i know there are some comedians who are doing like online shows but there's definitely something different about actually being in the crowd of a show. And I can imagine being in a circus crowd is probably pretty much the same as being in a standup crowd. There's just a different sort of energy you just don't get if you're doing it online. Yeah.

Yeah. No, for sure. For sure. It makes, it makes a huge difference. And I, it took me a long time to see my first live show when i was a

child like and i really realized what was like i saw a theater show you know and nowadays if i think about it maybe it wasn't even that impressive but just being able to see something live because there is energy surrounding us you know and when you're in a place with a lot of people that's why also people go to see soccer on the stadiums and so on because that kind of energy you know you know we can do whatever we want to do online but that kind of energy it's very hard to recreate you know it's it's something really from human to human and to be on that moment you know and that is also something very special for people even watching live events you know i remember i 2012 i went to malaysia to to do circus show and i was working a casino there and back in europe people watch your show a lot you

know and they just watch and when i arrived in Asia, they were all with the tablets. So you would look at the audience and you would see square faces, you know. And then I made a point, like at the beginning of a show, I would say, look, guys, there's a camera here filming the show. And you guys can get the footage later if you want. You know, right now, just drop your tablet drop your phone and be here and be present and i think that's a very important uh fight not against technology but with technology that people learn how to enjoy themselves in the moment like there are so many pictures of people in the concerts everybody with with their phone. You need to be there with your phone,

recording something that's gonna be recorded anyway, you know, enjoy your time, see the artists, see the band, you know. And yeah, I wanna see what's gonna come up in the future, you know, because with this whole thing that is happening in the world right now, many of the children, they are losing this opportunity to see live things and to grow with this mindset, you know. And, yeah, we will see.

It's for sure a shifting time in our history for this kind of war against the live content and that people are afraid to be close to each other, which is something horrible. And yeah, I hope that people in library know they say, we can do something about it. Like that even if we create content and that's why I also do a lot of my videos

in the setting of nature, because it's also to say, guys, get out of home, you know. Be out. There's a world outside, you know. Like, and yeah, got lost a bit there. One of the things I do like about stand-up comedy shows is most of them just ban recording because, you know, with stand-up comedy, the entire thing is not understanding where the comedian's actually going to go with their bits.

So if that was just released online, you'd sort of lose that entire energy. Whereas with a concert, you can't really... You've heard this, like, by the time you go to a concert, you've heard the song already. So it's not like you're going there to hear the song for the first time. But I think that, yeah, stand-up comedy is one of those few places where you actually see people just sitting there, paying attention to what's actually happening. I would like to see, it's not going to happen,

I would like to see more things actually like that yeah for sure and uh yeah like it's uh keeping the freshness you know it's uh yeah and i and i think that's the thing that we are missing a lot from this last year is fresh things things that could have happened wrong you know without being big catastrophes you know that's the thing when you watch and and that is also like if we go deep it's also a cultural thing you know television and uh internet and video we see the content edited cut it the best part of it when you're in life you see everything if the guy is speaking there and he spits

and I don't know something out of his nose, it's there there's no way for him to edit that out and that is life, life is about the things that go right and the things that go wrong and with the amount of videos and technology That is life. Life is about the things that go right and the things that go wrong. And with the amount of videos and technology,

that's why so many people have a hard time starting a channel as well, you know, because they're very afraid of being wrong, you know, and we are raised in a culture where it's not okay to be wrong. And that is like just completely blowing away our creativity because we have to be wrong. There's no other way to grow. But we are used to see only the end result. And when you go to a stand-up comedy, it can be the best stand-up comedy in the world.

The guy is going to do a mistake. If you do a circus show, you're going to do a mistake. There's no way around it. No way around it. And that's why people watch it. Because they want to see that mistake and they want to see how you do and what you do about it and if there's no mistake they say wow that's crazy because there could have been a mistake. I mean online content it's really hard to make

a mistake and maybe live stream brought this next edge you know that live stream is live so people want to join because there might be a mistake. But it's it's You know, I go out of the camera range and it's over. You don't see me anymore as live There's literally no place to hide Well, I don't really edit anything out in the in the podcast unless I show like my address or something in the podcast, unless I show my address or something, everything just stays in, which is one of the nice things I actually

like doing about these long-form videos. One, I'm too lazy to edit them, so I'm not going to edit them anyway, but you sort of get to just see a conversation between two people. There is going to be moments where I just have no idea what I want to say. It's going to stay in the podcast, and that just makes

it feel more real, and makes it feel, you know, more real and makes it feel more, I guess, personable and actually lets you see more of like how the person actually thinks through what they're trying to say. That was the most roundabout way I could ever say that. See, my point exactly. It makes it feel more real. Yeah.

And that's why people watch content mostly, you know, My point exactly. It makes it feel more real. Yeah. Yeah. And that's where, that's why people watch content mostly, you know, to see real people doing real things, you know? And I also realized that through my videos at the beginning, I was trying to edit them because, you know,

English is not my first language. So sometimes it takes a while for me to get the right word. And even then I don't get it. But then now I just leave everything through. I just cut the cut the beginning the end because it's not so interesting and enough but everything in between unless I take a long time thinking about the word or I say something completely wrong I just let it in because that's what we are on to seeing it anyway you know and that's how people will relate to you you you know. Yeah, I definitely, I've definitely had the same sort of situation where a lot of my early content, I was cutting out like the slight pauses between words and it was very, very jumpy. I've been sort

of changing the way I've been doing that recently. In a recent video, I was showing off my new camera and I was showing off this uh little hdmi capture stick thingy it should focus in a second there we go um and when i was doing that after i like focused on it i like dropped it and i was like oh yes that's just gonna stay in and just went on with the rest of the video but like my earlier stuff i would have been like okay i have to completely redo that take but i think that, yeah, you're definitely right.

Leaving that stuff in definitely does, it obviously, if it's too much and it sort of gets in the way of watching the content, that's, that's another thing.

But if it's just little bits here and there, hey, maybe I make one mistake here, maybe I pronounce a word completely wrong. That stuff, it,

it makes the content just seem more fun. For sure, definitely. Yeah, for sure, for sure. And uh, yeah, and we need that as humans, you know, like we need... Nobody wants to see a video from a machine, you know, and there's... There's a lot of people who do make content like that, where it's like, hey guys, this is a video, we're gonna talk about this thing and this thing,'re seeing like what do you stop i i think the content like that really appeals to children because it's very very jumpy it's very very much like watching a cartoon where it's always like there's always something happening yeah but i don't know

how those people don't go insane when they make videos like that because you see some of these people they make more videos than i do and they are always like a thousand percent energy and i don't understand yeah that's true like um yeah yeah no idea but it's the thing how much of them come out of this video i did like this in their whole life they're like really i really hope they're not imagine actually meeting someone who acted like that all the time it's like can you go away i don't want to ever talk to you again yeah no for sure you cannot sustain the five minutes of that and yeah it's important to have some kind of energy you know yeah in the in the in your video because well it depends on the idea of the

video you know but like for me i i love to lift up the energy right at the beginning you know like calling everybody and because it lifts me up as well and uh but you have to keep on a pace because you think either you do that or people are never gonna watch then it's then you're making yourself a slave of your own content and that's also maybe not the smartest way to to see you know and because that's the thing how long are they going to be doing this and this is also something that I learned with circus you know there are many many street artists even that are very focused on how much money they get at the end of every show you know so they make their whole show around

that headline which is like the moment where you say the line for your hat that you ask for donations and they pretty much they're like this version of person you know but into a street show they prepare everything everything that they say or they don't say and

even if they drop something everything is done on purpose at the same time that i appreciate the beauty of it because it is very hard to do that a hundred times three hundred times in a year every day i also feel like my god you just became a slave to your own show. You know, like they cannot be themselves anymore on it because if they are, they think they will get less money on their heads. And then how long are you going to do that for, you know? I had two very different shows. Like at the beginning when I started doing street shows,

I was going more towards this because I really needed it. It was like my main job when I was starting on it. And there was one point that was like, oh, you know what? I'm fed up with this. I want to do something that I feel that I can do. Like, or yeah, that I can do for a long time because every time that I finish doing it i can do it again and the same thing is now with the videos in library and odyssey you know there might

be a hundred thousand mistakes that i do in my videos but at least with those i still feel like i want to do the next video and that counts yeah i making sure like okay there's there's times where And that comes up. Yeah. Making shit like that. Okay. There's, there's times where I definitely don't want to make the next video where it's just like, I am. Cause I've made 600 videos at this point.

There are, there are times where I'm just like, I don't want to make another video, but you push yourself through it. You keep going and you're like, okay, that was actually like that. I had to do that. And that's the only way you can it, you keep going, and you're like, okay, that was actually, like, that, I had to do that, and that's the only way you can actually, you know, you're not going to be,

I'm sure you've had times like this, where there's just times where you just don't want to do a show, and it's like, no, that, this is what I do with my life, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do it well, and after you're done with it, like, okay, that was a good idea, I, that, I needed to do it well and after you're done with it like okay that was a good idea i that i needed to do that yeah but that's the funniest thing about circus show that you always end up a show feeling better than when you started always and that is the crazy thing about this job and that's why i did it for so long because how much how much is worth it that that every time you do your job you feel better afterwards than before you know it's like free therapy or something so but yeah of course

like many times i i you know it's like but as i think it's also very physical now you're moving around you have to stay focused you have to be in the moment it's really a bit like meditation you know in a sense and uh with videos it's uh i feel also like that that you know many times i don't feel like and one guy that is helping me a lot with motivation in this sense is uh zed golding i don't know if you know him he's a marketing guru a bald bald guy. Wait, okay. Did you hear a noise there, did you? No, I just heard like a real staticky noise. I don't know if that picked up. Yeah, yeah.

I don't know if that was just... Okay, I don't know. I'll deal with that afterwards. Yeah. Well, luckily I have the new microphone. If that was coming from my side. Anyway, sorry, I cut you off there but yeah go on oh it was coming from my side oh was it

oh hello hopefully it doesn't happen again you're saying something about zeth someone zeth coding well anyway yeah he's a marketing guy, and he says that, you know, he wrote a blog post every day of his life for the last 15, 20 years, you know. And he said, when I made the decision with myself that that's what I'm going to do, then things became easier, you know. So I believe that if we take these decisions, you know, if you're like a video creator, content you're gonna create content there's no way around you like it or not it's what you are it's who you are and uh you have to push it through and the important thing i i

think it's like especially with content creation we are like we're creating content and we have to believe on what we are creating. So even when they're coming, things that are like moments I had, like also a few months ago, a moment in my life where I was, but that actually pushed me through to do the eating like a king, thanks to LBC, you know, because I thought that would not work. That's why I wasn't doing it because I was afraid it would not work. And when I was like completely fed up with it, because I was afraid it would not work. And when I was completely fed up with it,

that I was like, okay, I don't even know if I want to keep doing videos, I said I'm going to just do the craziest idea now. So if it blows, I can blame the idea and I don't have to blame myself. And that sometimes for me works. I always have like the kamikaze kind of idea. Whenever I feel like doing a video, I say, okay, so now it's the time to do the kamikaze idea. Do the idea that I'm sure it's not going to work so I can feel even more miserable.

And then usually what creates is the back effect that usually what we are most afraid of doing is actually what we are supposed to do it. effect that usually what we are most afraid of doing it's actually what we are supposed to do it yeah and for me one of the things that always helps with um just giving myself more motivation to work on something because there's days where I record videos and I'm like that was the worst video I've ever made I don't know what I was doing I know I'm just like sometimes I'm just in a mindset right whatever I record I think that's just a train wreck but then when I get to the editing stage a lot of the time those videos

where I just hate everything I'm doing end up being the best videos I've done and I don't I I've still it still doesn't make any sense to me but I sort of feel better about those days where I'm not really in the mindset to record because yeah they for what so maybe it's just that I maybe it's just I'm putting more effort into it maybe it's just that I'm putting maybe more relaxed about it or something I don't really know what it is but there's just something about those days where they always end up just being good days. I think a lot of people also... one problem a lot of people seem to have is they don't really reflect on what they've done before. So they'll, you know, they'll make something and they won't really improve from it because they

don't really look at what they've done wrong with it and where they actually could go better. But I think that's also a big part that you really need to take into consideration. Not just with making videos, but really with anything in life. Look back on, actually look back on what you did. See if there's a way to improve it, because no matter who you are, there will be a way to improve it. Like even if you're the best in the world at something, there's always going to be something you could do better.

Yeah, especially if you're the best in the world it's something yeah yeah and that's the thing like also with def coding he said most of the writers they never know when it's going to be a bestseller you know usually they just write books and sometimes it's a bestseller and they put the same efforts that they put in a book that sold really bad that they put in the bestseller you know one became a best seller the other one yeah and that's the thing like and that's why it's important to like that's what i'm getting into the mindset like this last two weeks i think i made a video almost every day man because i i want to get a bit on this mood that i that you know that i that I get things going.

Now I just got a camera, so I'm learning how to use a camera, how to use lights. Soon I should get a microphone as well. And all of these things require practice. And the only way to practice is by practicing. There will be no other way around. I can see many tutorials i can theorize but all this theory when it's not put in practice is just driving me further away from my goal

that is to create good content and maybe there will be a point where i will just do one video per month but that video is going to be really good but for that to happen i have to now make as many videos as i can and i have to enjoy the fact that i'm a small channel in a platform that there's only half a million people and from this half a million people i have many people behind my channel that really like what i do and they are really supporting me and that is something that is that is priceless you know i wouldn't i wouldn't exchange those people for a hundred thousand more followers or something you know because those people make me really you know get up and and do my content for them because i really yeah

i can feel from them that they really enjoy what i'm doing yeah with um with like lighting and stuff when i initially bought these lights i had no idea what I'm doing. Yeah, with like lighting and stuff, when I initially bought these lights, I had no idea what I was doing with them. Like my early stuff when I bought them, yeah, no, it's not very good. It's taken me time to get to the point where I roughly know what I'm doing and I still

don't really know what I'm doing. This is me just sort of roughly guessing. I've got three lights right now. I've got one in front of me. You can probably see it like that i've got one off to that side that's like lighting the side of my face here i've got one back here as well and this seems to be like a reasonable setup plus i've got a light here for and here and above me for colors um most of this wasn't really that expensive either and i think that's a problem a lot of people do make with their first gear they're buying. They buy the most expensive stuff.

Like this camera I bought, I could have, I have the money. I could have bought like a $2,000 or $3,000 camera. I didn't because this, I think it was $800 at retail, but I got it on Black Friday for like $300 off. This camera I have is perfectly fine. It can do things like this. There we go. I can can zoom in on my face but learning how to use the stuff you have

is it's something that practice is really the only way you're going to properly understand it because I can explain to someone how to perfectly light a setup, but do you actually know how to implement that? Even if you understand how to implement a specific setup, do you understand how to then modify that to get a different effect? Because I could say, if I move this light off to the side here

maybe a bit more in front of my face you change the light from being this this setup where I have this uh this edge light to being more of a natural light and Playing around with stuff like that and I said that's it. That's a good one Playing around with the the tools that you have is really the best way you're going to actually learn something. Not just, you know, it's good to understand the fundamentals of how it works, but really just experimenting with what you have. And even if it's going to be like a terrible idea,

like I could say, actually, wait, well, I could do something like this. Here's a light. I could try like lighting under my face like this. This looks really dumb. I would never, Actually, wait, can we make this work? Uh, no. We can't- I don't think there's any way to make this look good, but- Oh, god. Um, experiment with what you got. Basically, that's my point. Try it out. Don't just be like, okay, well, this is how you do it look at okay that's how it's

supposed to be done how can i do it and maybe it's better because that that's the only way you're gonna work out a better way to do it like people didn't always know how to i don't know balance a ball on their head and then someone tried it and now we have you yeah definitely and also the last the easiest you know when you just have a cell phone when i just had a cell phone i just put in a place and i record and i don't have to worry about lights i don't have to worry about mic i don't have to worry about zoom because there's not even zoom on the bloody thing you know and now of course i i got like since a week a bit more improvements so it's more things to worry about and more things to learn about it you know but if i would have taken this moment you know to learn all of this starting my channel maybe i

wouldn't have even started you know because i think oh i have to learn now how to do lighting i learn how to work with a camera i have to learn which mic I have to use And then I'm like, okay, I'm overwhelmed without even starting Just to give you a feedback looks really cool. Thank you Yeah, I I would like that my problem right now is I sort of just don't have room I'm Obviously recording it this in my bedroom, so there's not really much else I can do.

I would like to play around more, but there's just stuff in the way, and it makes it a bit harder than it otherwise would be. One day I would like to have a... Even just recording in an empty bedroom, that would be nice. When I eventually get my own place, I want to have a dedicated space where I can just,

you know, mess around even more. Maybe I'll, maybe I'll come up with something that looks horrible, but I can still try it out and see what happens. Yeah, for sure. Trying out.

It's also very important, you know, otherwise it just becomes standard and there's nothing more boring than standard yeah yeah that's definitely true i've seen like you said you don't really watch much gaming stuff but um or you don't watch any gaming stuff i guess um but if you watch any like game live streamer they all have these exact same lights. I'll see if I can find them. Uh, I think they're called, like, leaf lights or something. Um, uh, is that, is this it? Nano leaf, that's what it is, yeah, nano leaf. Uh, every single streamer on the planet seems to have these things. seems to have these things. Can I send you a link to it?

Copy image address. Yes, there we go. They do look cool. But it's just like... These... It seems like everyone just buys them because that's what the popular people have. They don't really... Like, go on Wish or something.

Just look up really dumb stuff on Wish if you want some cool lights. Because I guarantee you'll find something there. You don't just have to do what everyone else is doing. That happens in all the industries, no? Mm-hmm. Like, the 19th... Cirque du Soleil is the... As you were saying, Cirque du Soleil is the McDonald's of circus.

That's... Cirque du Soleil is the as you were saying Cirque du Soleil is the McDonald's of circus that's I can imagine there's a lot of shows that sort of copy them because they want to be the biggest show around but it's crazy it's the same thing like now with

Cirque du Soleil recently but even like with juggling type of circus you know in the 1930s there was Enrico Rastelli which was the most famous juggler in the world which now it doesn't sound too much but this guy he

was earning more than any politician oh wow like back in the day if you were a juggler you would be earning the same thing as a soccer player right now something like this you know and and it's funny because like a hundred years later we don't even think but back in the days the jugglers they used like circus artists they had castles built for them and not really castles but really they had so much money and this guy like on the 30s he started to juggle with balls with clubs with rings and before that every juggler had a different set of equipment that they would juggle with. Some with glasses, some with plates, some with tables, whatever, you know.

And this guy, no, but seriously, because antipodes, when you juggle with the feet, you can put tables and stuff. But anyway, this guy became so famous that he became the standard. And there is the problem with the amount of technology that we have right now that even right now most of the jugglers are still juggling with the same equipment that they used to juggle in the 1930s because they are not able to see they don't even know the history why they are doing that the same thing as i guess with the gaming community and so on that you know some people become big and the other people instead of they think okay if i want to become big it's because i have to do something different they just they just want a copy paste kind of solution for things it works for that person so

it must work for me as well but then they forget about why it worked for that person it's because they were the first one doing or they were the first one doing in a certain way they like just doing the exact same thing as someone else isn't going to get anyone paying attention to you yeah and at the same time there are many ideas because nothing is extremely new and there are some ideas that can be recycled in a good way for example when i was doing the obesity eating like a king for one week, somebody commented, oh yeah, I remember in the beginning of Bitcoin, people were trying to live off of Bitcoin. I was like, of course, because it's a logical idea. That's when there's Bitcoin, somebody will...

And the same thing, we can recreate also the beginning of Bitcoin again in LBC, because that's the whole point of it. Because it's going to have a very similar trajectory if it really follows the Bitcoin path. But it can be even better. And that's what people have to see. We don't have to try to do everything that happened with Bitcoin here because here we have more options. And the same thing with content creation. If there is gaming, there are so many ideas that I don't know. Yeah, as you said, I don't watch gaming channels,

but I guess there must be... When you enter a place where everybody is doing the same and trying to copy from each other, that's just heaven. That's just heaven because you can just start doing your own thing. I don't know. Yeah, I think the place where it's kind of the worst with copying people is with Minecraft YouTubers because there's a couple of really, really big,

I mean, multiple millions of subscriber channels. And yeah, a lot of people are just sort of doing that. And I've noticed, I have noticed a couple of newer channels that have been doing it for like six months that just shoot up and that's because they actually try out it's not you know necessarily a completely new idea it's you know there's one channel I saw that was sort of doing like skit comedy but doing it inside of Minecraft and it's not taking like it's not a completely new idea it's just taking an existing idea and putting a new spin on it.

Yeah, for sure. Nothing is really newly created. It's ideas and developments. And then it's like cooking. You just take different ingredients and then you make the meal. I'm not very good at cooking. But yes to get your point I can cook chicken rice and vegetables. That's all I need. It keeps me alive So with that a that ball trick how long do you reckon it actually took you to actually get good at that

There one I don't remember because I was practicing. Here's a better question, okay? What was the first circus trick that you tried to learn? Yeah, we'll go with that. I think I had like a... well, it's hard to know what circus trick because you know anything you do like everybody starts circus trick in their life because everybody's a clown. But I think juggling, for example, my first thing was the devil stick. You know, there is two and one in the middle. And I didn't even know the name of it. I call it pecky pecky because it makes the noise pecky pecky peck.

So with that thing, I started with... Actually, I started working with it. It was really great because I started working directly in the first week or first two weeks that I had it. Because in Brazil, there's this popular thing that you go in front of the traffic lights and then you do juggling tricks. And then you can go with your head.

And yeah, that's what i did with uh my best friend and uh and it worked the day one so why not you know like you're 14 15 you're like okay i made 20 bucks i can come tomorrow for sure that's definitely a lot of 14 15 year old that's for sure man i was so blown that's why i never left this job you know because i started so early and i was like so happy with it i was like i don't know anyone of my age that can in one hour of work make 20 bucks yeah it's like i'm gonna do that so you started around 14 15 then yeah yeah and how long have you been doing it now? Now, yeah, 20 years. Wow. Yeah, it's a long journey. Well, yeah, it's nice because it's fun. It's like just the fun of creating content. You can always do things different.

Of course, you can stick to something that works and die of boredom afterwards, or you can, you know, just learn new things, do shows with new people, tour to new countries. You know, yeah, it's pretty much, yeah, it's a whole world out there. Well, it's not like you have to completely uproot everything that you've done.

It's always good to have things that you know always work, but then also experiment with new things. You know everyone cares about juggling, for example, but then you can try some other things alongside of that that maybe people haven't seen before that will catch their attention. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Comedy is the base of it, you know? You never go to a comedy club

because you wanna see the most amazing comedy person. You wanna laugh, man. And the same thing for me, it's with circus, you know? Any trick that I will do, even if it's the most impressive trick in the world people can say oh yeah i seen another guy doing another variation of that but if you make them laugh they don't care if it was the most impressive that they seen in their life or not how many people did you have in your podcast that needed to be in the in between the podcast wait sorry what was that

i really need to be oh yeah go ahead man um i'll just entertain people for like two seconds i guess yeah i i go run and i come back oh i think this has been a really fun podcast so far. What are we at? Nearly two hours? Yeah. Um... I think we've hit on most of the topics, actually. I wasn't really sure where we were going to go with this, because I knew we were going to talk about Library and Odyssey and stuff like that, but

I didn't actually... I could guess that he had some experience entertaining previously. I didn't actually realise he did circus stuff, so that's kind of new to me. But hey, it makes for a fun show at least. Let's see. I did have some other stuff on here, but I don't think most of it... A lot of it I had was a bit more technical, and I don't think that would be the best way to take it. But, let's see, what could we... is there anything on here I haven't talked

about yet? What do we have? How did you get into crypto? What got you into crypto? Oh! That's one thing. I haven't actually asked him where the name for his channel came from. How's it going ah a lot better now I'm not used to interviews you know but never drink mate when you're doing an interview that's a golden rule from now on I'm very used to being on on streams at this point so I've got like three water bottles it's the middle of summer here as well so it kind of gets a bit warm. But what I was gonna say was, I was going through my topic list to see what we have left.

Where did the name for your channel come from? Library Rats United? Just know Mantega. Ah, Mantega. That means butter in Portuguese. Okay, step back. Why? Well, that's my nickname since I'm six years old. Right, okay. Because I have a butter hair.

Like in Brazil where I was growing up, it's not so common to have so many blonde people. Right. So I was like, oh my God, he has butter hair. And I found that so cool that they started to call me butter that I decided, yeah, it's going to be called butter. Why not? Okay.

That was not what I was expecting from that answer. Well, we can edit and I can make something more interesting out of it. But yeah, I sort of understand like the the library rats thing, but why don't you explain, you know, why you went with that? the library rats thing but why don't you explain you know why you went with that i knew i knew that i wanted to do something comedy related and uh like uh there is this expression also in portuguese but i think it's also in english i think i researched that when you read a lot you become a library rat right because you lost their library it's like in portuguese it's also like that that and then uh it was funny that the platform is called library now and then i thought okay what

would be the funniest thing to call people that are in this platform because i wanted to relate to people as well you know because i could i could see that there was not a lot of identity in the platform because uh i could see that there were not many lot of identity in the platform because I could see that there were not many people. And I was like, okay, we need an identity. We are building up this place. So that's where I came up with Library Red because it's people that like to read a lot. At least in Brazil, they are called Library Reds.

But I think in English as well. I've heard that before, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So it was like an easy choice to go and also calling everybody rats is already comical from second one, so. Oh. What are we at? We're at two hours now.

You know, I think that's probably a good place to, don't play Max's video, I think that's probably a good place to actually end off the episode. one thing i usually do towards the end is give a shout out to someone that you're you know watching on library someone you think deserves a bit more attention ah yeah well i really like the content of uh mediocre and vlad mediocre i've heard of mediocre vlad. Vlad? Oh no, yeah I know who Vlad is. Yeah, yeah, okay. Vlad is the skateboard guy. Meteocra music and Vlad is a skateboard.

Well, there are many content creators but with them I'm a lot in touch and now I'm a lot in touch and now Jokra just did I think today the song of uh, we are going to we are building together the obviously please go to moon How do you spell his channel name? He's like, uh, m-e-a T-t-t-t you are you me you no sorry uh yeah yeah you you yeah oh yep yeah i found it okay oh it's not you it's what's the name y but oh i forgot how it's called in english that one uh i found the channel uh mediocre music it was m-e-a-t-t-y-o-k-r and then music yeah exactly it's uh why not you oh that's what you meant, why? Okay. Okay, yeah, people check those channels out.

I'm pretty sure I've spoken to both of them before. Yeah, they both hang out in the Librarianomics Discord, don't they? Yeah, Yeah, they are very often there, yeah. Okay, as... I'm glad that thing is also in library, has some kind of what's the name? Position in library, how he's coordinating.

Yep, yep. Okay, as for me, I'm going to say because he's finally on the platform, go check out ElectroBoom's channel. Because getting big creators onto the platform is gonna, it's gonna convince more people to come over. And it's just awesome to see people like this on the platform. So, I think, encourage people like this to join, and that's cool. encourage people like this to join and that that's cool um yeah so where can people find you now I'm just there I'm just in library and OTC just a lot like

and so your channel is just Mantega yeah at Mantega and uh yeah by right now i'm putting a lot of energy on that one i might do one in portuguese as well maybe one spanish i'm thinking about like what's the answer there but uh so far i'm yeah at mantega and uh yeah that's the best place where people can find me and you also hang out a lot in the Librarynomics Discord as well. Yeah, yeah. Mity actually, or Greg is his name, he is the one that invited me there and it was good because it was right at the beginning when I joined the library, I was really lost. I was like, where the hell is everybody? Because I was doing research and I couldn't find anyone that was doing things for the library. It was really hard. So he put a comment on my video and invited me to that Discord.

And that was a good changing in my perspective from the whole atmosphere there. Cool. Okay. So I think before we go, oh, I lost the page, where did it go? Before we go, I'd like to thank my supporters So a special thank you to Chris, Joachim, Donald, Michael, Andrew Nathan, David, Monza, Will, Brennan, Chico Bento, Jamie, Joseph, Mitchell, Peter, Tony, Tushar

and all of the $2 supporters. If you would like to support my work, there are links down below to all of the things where you can do that If you're like to support my work, there are links down below to all of the things where you can do that. If you're listening to the audio version of the podcast, the video version is always out on YouTube and Library. It's always out first on Library

on Tuesday, so check it out there if you want to see it slightly before everyone else. And if you're watching the video version, the audio version, you can find it anywhere that has podcasts, you'll find it, just look up Tech Over Tea, it'll be there, if it's not there, just send me like an email, I'll probably get it on the platform, um, or I'll forget, but I'll probably do it.

My main channel, Brodie Robertson, do Linux stuff there, much more play into this, but I like the, the fun, you know, haphazard, it just, whatever happens, happens sort of thing. Yeah, I guess to the sign of the podcast, how about you give your intro, just in case people haven't heard it before. I can say the goodbye then, instead of my intro. Go ahead, yeah, do that. Goodbye my lovely rats and my, what do you say, ratonauts. And thank you very much for inviting me to the podcast. It was really a lot of fun

to do my first interview, I think. No worries. I think it was a lot of fun to have you on the show. I'd be more than happy to have you back at some point. Yeah, I'm coming back for sure, man. It's a pleasure. Awesome. Thank you, Minon. Thank you guys for watching as well.