Tech Over Tea - #70 Who Needs Topics Let's Just Reminisce | Supercozman

Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to episode 70 of Tech of a T, I'm as always your host Brodie Robertson, and it has been a very long time since I've played the intro music. We're back with another episode with Connor, and I actually did spell your name correctly for once on the overlay, so I didn't spell it with an O at the end. That's a round of applause required. I know. It's only been, what, ten times since you've been on here, and I've, what, maybe got it right twice?

Starting point is 00:00:36 Yeah, that sounds about right. Now explain this sea urchin. Sea urchin? It's just a sea urchin. I found it on the beach. Oh, you just found it on the beach. You're just like, I'm going to pick that up Yeah, well it looks cool, it was together and I was playing with it and it just snapped because it's a bit fragile But like, it looks pretty snazzy

Starting point is 00:00:56 So that's all you have of it, just that little bit? Yeah, I don't have like the rest of it You didn't find like a full intact Sea Urchin that's just, like, sitting on your desk? Uh, no, no. I'm sorry to disappoint, but I didn't. Well, because we showed... I do have some other relics on my desk, though. Oh?

Starting point is 00:01:16 Um, I got some different rocks. I got... Oh, rocks. Lovely. This is, like, an egg thing. Mm-hmm. Well, rocks, lovely. This is like an egg thing. Well, I think they're technically crystals. I don't know what this one is, but it's like a kind of metallic-y.

Starting point is 00:01:32 This is a blue one. Blue one, is that the scientific term for it? Yeah, it's the blue one row. I got some obsidian. Oh, that's cool. I know that one. Yeah, it's a obsidian arrowhead that's um pretty fun to muck around with um i don't know what this one is but you just have

Starting point is 00:01:54 a bunch of rocks on your table yeah okay um this one is also a, but it just looks like glass. But it's, like, designed to sit in your palm. Huh. And then this one's cool. I think it's, like, called a tiger eye or something. But, like, when you move it, the pattern changes due to the light. I feel like that would look much cooler if your camera didn't look horrible because of Jitsi right now. Yes, yes, um, I'm not sure what this one is, I found this one, uh, when I found the sea urchin, but it's just, like, it's probably a bit of quartz or something,

Starting point is 00:02:37 but, um, I just like the, the patterns of it. We're doing little... We're doing show and tell. I've got this here. This is also like... Ignore that on there. It's just like a bit of paper that's merged into it. There's the camera. I'm not sure what it is. I'm using it as a coaster, though.

Starting point is 00:03:00 Yes. It looks like a rock. It's a rock. It's a red rock uh it's a red reflective rock it's also been um what's the word uh lacquered not lacquered no lacquered uh clear clear lacquer i'm sure someone who understands uh workshop words will know what you would actually put on a rock like that um actually i do haven't wait entertain people for like two seconds i've got another fun thing

Starting point is 00:03:30 i do actually have one more i do have one more rock that i didn't show off this one's a bit bigger i'm not exactly this is like the kind of rock that you'd skim along the water if it was a bit flatter, but it's quite heavy. Like, you wouldn't think it would be that heavy, but it is. It's quite a dense material, and it's smooth. I like that rock as well. That's my rock collection, though. Oh, I missed it out. Okay, well, I saw black rounded rock.

Starting point is 00:04:03 Yeah, it basically was a black rounded rock. This one isn't a rock, but it's a sheep skull. Oh. Yeah. My stepdad... Was that a finder's keepers or was that a... Yeah, so my stepdad owned, or I guess a um a sheep farm a sheep no a sheep farm uh he well he he owned he owned sheep then we'll see what the left of them um but he owned a sheep

Starting point is 00:04:36 farm before and before he sold it off that was just one of the skulls that i found laying on the ground uh because you know when you're you own a farm, not all of the animals end up surviving. Some get, you know, I don't know. I don't know how they die in a farm. Maybe not having water or something. I don't know. And that was just on the ground. And I was like, I'm going to take that.

Starting point is 00:04:54 That's mine now. And my mom was like, why? It's like, I don't know. I just want to take it. That's the end of the story. Obviously. Lovely story. Why am I not going to take the sheep skull just sitting on the ground?

Starting point is 00:05:06 Surely that seems like a very sanitary idea. Sanitation germ theory, yes. Peasants, honestly. Look, it was before Rona. We don't need to worry about it. Germs didn't exist before Rona. Exactly. I do have a tea.

Starting point is 00:05:21 Germs didn't exist before Rona. Exactly. I do have a tea. This is a Twining's Sleepy Tea. I just found it in my random box of tea bags. On the other side, it says, Time to chase your dreams. Wow.

Starting point is 00:05:40 I thought that was quite beautiful. I haven't tasted it yet. Give us the verdict it's nice it's very floral very herby I want to go right on the back of the teeth it's just like absolute shit and you have no idea about it well it I'm pretty sure I read on the packet that it said it has like orange tree leaves in it or some shit. I don't know what that is. I have had some teas that were, like, I'm pretty sure I told you I got, like, a big tea tube box given to me. Yeah, yeah, I think you've mentioned that.

Starting point is 00:06:18 20 or 30 different teas, and, like, some of those, they were a little bit iffy. Like, some of those, they were a little bit iffy. Mm. I think the only tea I've had that I just didn't like was a honey and chamomile tea. Yeah. It just... I don't think I remember you telling me that. Yeah, like, chamomile by itself is fine,

Starting point is 00:06:38 but I don't know what the deal is with just sticking honey in it. It just makes it worse. I'm not a big fan of, like, sweet teas anyway. So that might just be part of it. You know what I mean about sweet teas? It's about the herbal teas. Yeah, yeah, man. Exactly. Herbal teas.

Starting point is 00:06:56 Um, I've got some random-ass topics on here. I've got one fun one here about, uh, about young people being stupid. That should be fun. Sure, fire away. Throw it your way. Here you go. So Snapchat

Starting point is 00:07:11 had a speed filter which obviously is going to be used for very safe things. Basically, so there's a couple of things that have happened with this one um previously people thought that if you went like above a certain speed you'd get like an achievement in snapchat which the fact that anyone thought that was mind-numbingly stupid but this story in particular is about

Starting point is 00:07:45 people basically using the filter to show off how fast they were going which I don't know how snapchat didn't think would happen like what do they think was going to like that was actually gonna be used for well check me out I'm doing 200 down the highway. Let's see. The app introduced in 2013 has been linked to several deadly or near-fatal car crashes, many of which involve teens. The company has faced lawsuits. Okay, yep. Do they have the specific reason in here besides people were just going fast? No, I think people were just going fast, I, you know, okay, look, if Snapchat adds some, if any of these, like, social media sites add something that it's going to use to, like,

Starting point is 00:08:38 build up clout, I wouldn't be surprised if people are going to go abuse it to do something really, really dumb. It's always, you know, classic saying, where there's a will, there's a way. Yeah, man. Where's a will to crash into a tree? There's absolutely a way to do it. Bro, I saw my Fast and Furious idol do that. I want to do it as well. Oh, speaking of that that Is that too soon

Starting point is 00:09:06 Hmm When did he die Let's find out Um I mean I gotta be honest I didn't really care when It did happen but you know 2013 Fuck that was a long time ago

Starting point is 00:09:25 really 2013 wow I thought it was much more recent than that I've been tired of lost track of time apparently even like before I'd

Starting point is 00:09:41 left uni I guess I just had no no concept of what time even was anymore. But have you been keeping up with the Fast and Furious series? I don't think I've seen a singular one. Wait, really? Yeah. Wait, how? What do you mean, how?

Starting point is 00:10:01 I just haven't watched any of them. It's such a great franchise, though. What do you mean you haven't seen it? Not even the first one. Is it actually?? I just haven't watched any of them It's such a great franchise though What do you mean you haven't seen it? Not even the first one No I haven't I don't know if I've met anyone that hasn't seen The Fast and Furious series but I might also just Be around Bogans all the time

Starting point is 00:10:17 Yeah I reckon that's probably What it is Really not even the first one Not at all That's a sad life to live sad life oh my god look how could you not enjoy your car racing series that turns into hey i'm gonna send a car into fucking space look i'm not saying like i can't judge if it's good or not because i haven't seen it but like yeah or not because I haven't seen it.

Starting point is 00:10:47 I just haven't watched it. I'm deeply sorry. Please, I repent for my sin. You've deeply offended me here by not knowing the way of the Fast and the Furious. No, I guess we're just going to have to end the podcast now. Absolutely. Well, I mention that because... I'm sure you know like the how the names have like gotten shorter and shorter as the series has gone on

Starting point is 00:11:10 i think so okay yeah okay good because if you didn't know that i would ruin what i was trying to say so it went from like the fast and the furious to fast and furious and over time we got to like uh there was like fast eight and then the ninth movie is just called f9 they just don't even care anymore people know what it's gonna be that makes me sad it's not gonna be a title for the next one it's just gonna be the poster yeah it's just a picture of vin diesel like you know what it is no need to tell you actually it's kind of like with um with jason statham movies like you know every movie is. No need to tell you. Actually, it's kind of like with Jason Statham movies. Like, you know every movie that Jason Statham made

Starting point is 00:11:48 is going to be basically the same movie. They're just all like, hey, here is a generic action movie, a thousand and one. Enjoy. And you'll probably enjoy it. Do you actually watch action movies? That's the question.

Starting point is 00:12:04 I mean, I don't not watch action movies. I haven't really seen a lot of movies recently. I've been more on the TV show of being a consumer. What have you been watching? Now that you're on the show, you have no idea what you've been watching. No, no, no. I watched the new season of Master of None.

Starting point is 00:12:31 That's a good show. I don't know. I would doubt I would have seen it. No, I've been watching no TV. I'm just trying to keep a conversation going. Master of None. It is a conversation going. Master of None. Uh, it is a comedy drama.

Starting point is 00:12:50 Uh-huh. Explain, tell, tell us about, um, give it a chance. It's basically just about, uh,

Starting point is 00:12:57 this guy that's losing New York and just like, I don't know, just random stories. It's not, it's not really like a, it's more like a kind of it's almost like an anthology kind of thing like each episode is is very different from one another although it's still just like the same guy and yeah just kind of follows and then um in season two, he moves to Italy to learn how to make pasta. Sure, okay.

Starting point is 00:13:30 I'm sure that would make sense if I had any idea what was going on. Yeah, but I recommend that one. I said I've been watching TV shows, but the new Bo Burnham special that's very good it's called Inside that's ringing a bell I haven't seen it but I think I've seen someone talking about it

Starting point is 00:13:56 let's see uh no I definitely haven't seen it. But, is it good? Yes, it is very good. Recorded in his home during the Rona 19 pandemic without a crew or audience. It was released on Netflix on May 30th.

Starting point is 00:14:21 Huh. For something all done by one person it looks really impressive like just um cinematography wise and just like um so he he does like musical comedy stuff so like the most the majority of his like um special thing is just like songs right right um uh compared to like how normal stand-up would be where it's like either all talking or just like majority talking like a song or two um yeah his like his previous ones are like just like pretty much all songs, but they are actually, like, recorded in front of audiences. Right, right, right. This one isn't, but it's still, like, very good.

Starting point is 00:15:14 The whole comedy thing with no audience always sort of confused me. Like, I know there's a lot of comedians doing the, like, the online shows, but I think a lot of what comes with comedy is having it's the same thing with sport like when you have like an empty stadium it doesn't have the like the same sort of energy that you get from from having like a big crowd of people all all enjoying the same thing yeah well that's um that's like one of the topics that he like explores a lot within that like how weird it is doing like a comedy special and just like doing jokes and songs and stuff when there's no one like yeah there's no one there to react to it. Cause like,

Starting point is 00:16:11 even if you drop like an absolute banger of a joke in an empty room, it would just be dead silence. And that would just be, that would just be strange. And you don't like, also you get a lot of, um, a lot of shows you have,

Starting point is 00:16:25 you have interaction with the hecklers, and if you're a good comedian, you can sort of turn that into a part of your bit. Yeah, exactly. And he does that in his two previous specials. Yeah, it's just really interesting like because he has uh three live ones and then the one that's uh the new one um it's really interesting just seeing like because the three previous ones are all i think they're all about three years apart and then this one it's like about five years after the last one and so yeah just like

Starting point is 00:17:06 seeing the jump in between each of them in like quality and stuff is really interesting i don't think i've actually watched anybody's comedy special the only comedy i've seen is like in person yeah with the exception of like clips of some comedians i've seen online but those are clips of when they were doing live shows so you still you don't get the same level of i guess audience energy but you still have like you still have like something there yeah effectively acts as like a uh a laugh track that actually applies to things that are funny not just what big bang theory does when it's just like laugh track after like every fucking sentence yeah well there's like um there are like big bang's really bad with doing that and there's like a lot of

Starting point is 00:18:01 shows that with laugh tracks that sort of rely on the laugh track to make it funny. Yeah. But like something like even Seinfeld is really... Seinfeld is really ahead of its time in a lot of aspects. But when it comes to laugh track, I'm pretty sure they only had it in there because that was like the standard at the time. But like there's barely ever any times where it's just like

Starting point is 00:18:28 they allow room for the laugh track to well it's an actual audience in that anyway but yeah there's like they don't give that time just for the audience to laugh like it it's basically like a show without it like they continue it on which is i mean how you should do it if you are gonna have a live audience no basically just hold up a sign saying this is funny time laugh now enjoy i i yeah that that that's definitely true there's a lot of Yeah, that's definitely true. There's a lot of... I think there's more that sort of rely on it as a crutch rather than, you know, actually using it as a tool

Starting point is 00:19:12 or, you know, in that case, trying to just avoid it altogether. Yeah. On that note, have you actually seen... There's a video... There's a couple of videos out there. Big Bang Theory without the laugh track. Yeah, it has like five to ten second breaks in between them talking. Yeah, that's, I think that's what makes it so weird.

Starting point is 00:19:38 Big Bang Theory could be like a perfectly watchable show without the laugh track, but because they designed it all around there being the laugh track, there's always just these like really weird, awkward silences without it. Yeah. It's not comparable to how people actually talk. Cause there's no times when they actually, at least none that I can think of where they have the laugh traps at laugh

Starting point is 00:20:02 track, really running over someone, what someone's trying to say no it's always yeah it's always like tell joke laugh track next line tell joke it's questionable whether they're actually jokes okay yeah i'll give you that one i can't think of too many sitcoms I've actually really watched. I'm not generally a big fan of them. Basically because of that reason.

Starting point is 00:20:30 I've certainly watched them in the past. I've watched most of How I Met Your Mother and things like that, but I don't generally go out of my way to watch them. Well, yeah, sitcoms now don't really have laugh tracks anymore. But yeah, I don't think i've watched a whole lot i've watched seinfeld and friends they're like the two really big ones yeah absolutely like like i've watched them all the way through i've watched

Starting point is 00:20:57 seinfeld through like 10 or more times like uh really like that show but um yeah i'm not i'm not sure if i've watched any of the other like classic ones or not well yeah i've watched those ones but and then like the modern classics like how i met your mom and things like that but i have no idea like what exists in the sitcom world at this point like i i i can only imagine that they're not great one family's technically a sitcom on that oh yeah i've watched that is that's pretty enjoyable i like i like that and yeah it doesn't rely on laugh track and it's still like actually funny speaking of um speaking of shit tv my housemate i don't know why she watches home and away oh lovely and that's one of those shows that you can just like pop your head

Starting point is 00:21:57 into like every couple of years and you understand everything is going on because nothing's ever happening. Like, once, I think once a year, they do their, like, story arc, like, oh, someone is in a car crash, someone's going to prison, oh, someone's got cancer now, and that's the only thing that ever happens. And they always, like, hype it up whenever, like,

Starting point is 00:22:20 any big thing is gonna happen, because that's when the season finale happens. But apart from that, it's just like, oh we're just like gonna hang out on the beach hang out in the cafe whoa this is super exciting super fun i can't believe like just thinking of how unfulfilling writing for that show must be like say you're like a new person you're like oh let's actually do something interesting with it and then you're just like no stacy 27 has to um have a near miss uh a near miss with a car um and she's all shaken up for the episode. I do... I think that that and also Neighbours

Starting point is 00:23:06 do exist for a good reason. Because they give new Australian actors a way to step into the acting world, step into an actual production. A lot of really big Australian actors started on Neighbours and Home and Away. But apart from that, it's a fucking horribly boring show. it's just that it has so many viewers because of when it

Starting point is 00:23:30 airs it airs when people are eating dinner and there's nothing else on on TV at that point so if you're watching TV you're probably watching Home and Away and Neighbours yeah it's just like it astounds me that there's people though that actually like that stuff like go imagine going back to the start actually how old is like which one's older home and away or neighbors imagine going all the way back to the and watching it. There's like literally thousands of episodes. Well, it comes out... Is it...

Starting point is 00:24:10 How many episodes? Oh, okay, yeah. It comes out once... Once a... Once a day, doesn't it? Like, you get it like five times a week or something stupid. Neighbours has... So it's been going since 1985.

Starting point is 00:24:28 There is... Hell yeah. 8,641 episodes. Jesus. So yeah, it comes out five times a week. There's, um... There's a British soap drama that I think has gone for 10,000 episodes.

Starting point is 00:24:52 It's ridiculous. Like, it would be one thing if anything ever happened. But when you have that much content coming out, you just can't make an interesting show. It has to just be boring, mundane shit. Like, you cannot actually come up with that much content that quickly. Something that is actually compelling. You don't have time to, like, write the kind of intricacies. You don't have time to like write they're just like writing the show as

Starting point is 00:25:31 they're filming they're like oh fuck i honestly wonder how much of that show is just improv i mean probably a good part of it would have to be i wouldn't it wouldn't be surprising if they didn't actually write a lot of it they kind of just like went off of dot points which is like basically what i do in my videos so it so it works and for something of that quality like i wouldn't be yeah surprised if that's like what they had to do well when the level of dialogue is just like hey what do you want to go get for lunch oh you want to go down to the cafe? Oh, yeah, let's go to the cafe. When that's your dialogue, like, you don't really need a script.

Starting point is 00:26:12 You just, like, need to tell them, like, okay, what is your objective? And just get there. And this is how much time you have. Go to cafe. Go to cafe because plot progression happens here. By plot progression, I mean, I don't know, someone's gonna see you with a girl while you've got a girlfriend

Starting point is 00:26:29 and that's gonna be the big drama of the week. Scandalous. You're like talking to people while you... Wow. Actually, that's... I saw you with Rebecca at the cafe. Actually, that's too much drama for Home and Away and Neighbours.

Starting point is 00:26:46 Like, that's too much. That'll take, like, three months to resolve. That's the season finale. Mm. I wonder how... Okay. Is Jonathan walking out of Neighbours? Well, they do have to kind of, like,

Starting point is 00:27:06 frequently kill people off, because when someone actually does show the fact they're actually a good actor, usually they're just going to go get another job. You have, obviously, the exceptions of people who, like, never leave Neighbours and never leave Home Away. The people who have been there, like, since the show has started. But apart from those people,

Starting point is 00:27:25 everyone else is just like, well, I'm just going to use this to get a better job. Can't believe. Disrespecting. An Aussie icon? Yeah. One of the guys in my Discord also disrespected an Aussie icon. He spelt Steve Irwin's last name with an E.

Starting point is 00:27:48 Irwin. Irwin. I mean, technically, like, would make the same noise. It would. It's just bad. It's just English's fault for having letters that make the same noises. Mmm. English is one of the, uh,

Starting point is 00:28:05 it is a very messy language. That's for sure. After, after starting to learn Japanese, I realized that English is a fucking train wreck. Cause with, with Japanese, you have a very set number of sounds and those,

Starting point is 00:28:22 the only sounds that can exist in the language, anything else just it's fine we ignore that's why you get like when that's why you get um people who try to learn english when they're japanese having like really weird accents because like an like an l sound like does not exist in that language altogether it sounds closer to an R. I don't know why we spent like 10 minutes talking about neighbors. What that's not my fault I swear. Um all right I got something for you. You see this sloth? I see the sloth yes.

Starting point is 00:29:01 All right, I got something for you. You see this sloth? I see the sloth, yes. So I've been hiding a little secret over the past eight podcasts. What? Are you turning my podcast into your channel? Yes. Okay. This sloth alternates from purple to pink.

Starting point is 00:29:22 And so if you go back to the past eight, including this one, one of them, I think this one is a zero and the purple one is a one. And in binary, it reads out 46. Why? Why? What are you doing I don't know but like

Starting point is 00:29:52 on some of the other weeks that's why I would take so long because I was going back through the old episodes trying to make sure I had the right colour slot I fucking hate you why 46 of all numbers because 46 is like the the number I fucking hate you Why 46 of all numbers Because 46 is like

Starting point is 00:30:07 The The number from My videos It pops up a lot Does it okay And it's hidden in a lot of places There's literally a video called the 46th floor Is there

Starting point is 00:30:22 Yeah I guess I just don't pay enough attention to your channel. What are you... Oh, fucking hell. I hate you. Yeah, okay, I see it. The 46th floor. I hijacked your channel.

Starting point is 00:30:40 Well, that's the end of the saga, then. Nothing... No reason for you to come back now that you've done that. Yeah, yeah, I'm all done. Oh, my God. Is that the only hidden message you've put onto my channel? Yeah, that's the only one. Mm-hmm.

Starting point is 00:30:59 I thought you would have, I don't know, tried to hide something somewhere else, maybe, like, I don't know, something with your clothes or something. Oh, God, no. Maybe like the way your hair is arranged. That's too far. Although, I'm pretty sure there probably is some stupid shit that's that detailed within my actual videos. That no one's ever going to get. Okay.

Starting point is 00:31:30 Well, um... Is that all you want to say about that? Yeah, I thought I'd just mention it. Okay. Well, what other TV shows are you watching now that you've made that revelation? Other TV shows. Let me just like...

Starting point is 00:31:50 Bring up your Netflix. Yeah, exactly. Okay. Okay, I can see your hands. Look at those hairy hands. Yeah, look at these hands, bro. I don't know how to entertain people for a couple of seconds. I have been playing stuff as well, I've been playing a lot of

Starting point is 00:32:09 Sims Sims 3 not 4 though I haven't played 4 I have number 4 but like it wasn't installed when I started playing, so I downloaded it but I'm like

Starting point is 00:32:24 I've already gone so far with this one. Netflix is being dodgy. It's not showing my continue watching. How am I to know what I've been watching, bro? We can talk about Sims. Why are you playing Sims? You just bought out of your mind. No, it's just like you just get this calling to come play Sims

Starting point is 00:32:47 like once every two years. Sure, okay. Same with Minecraft. You're just like once a year, you're like, oh, I just have to play Minecraft for a week straight. Didn't the caves update come out for that one? The split caves into two updates? Yeah, I think it finally came out.

Starting point is 00:33:09 Let's see. Minecraft Caves came out two weeks ago. Huh. Okay. Still intend on... I need to play that. What, play the caves update?

Starting point is 00:33:24 Yeah. Yeah, honestly, Caves update? Yeah. Yeah, I should... Honestly, I've had people ask me to go and actually play some Minecraft on my channel. On, like, my gaming channel. It would be fun. I don't... When did I last play Minecraft?

Starting point is 00:33:41 Um... I think I was in high school. That's a long time yeah it's what so like how old am I now I'm 23 so like 6 years ago something like that 23

Starting point is 00:33:58 imagine being 23 I'll hang down here at 22 thank you alright you're a little younger than me aren't you yeah cause I um I took my gap year and then went to uni so I'm kind of older than most of the people except for those like random people that were at uni who were like in their 40s

Starting point is 00:34:16 it's like what's up I don't know if you ever met this guy but in first year there was a guy I think he was like it is 60s and he was like in his 60s and he was starting his software engineering degree

Starting point is 00:34:29 I think we did meet him once he didn't stick around though did he? no I don't know what he was doing maybe he was just bored just having like a a third life not half life crisis three life... Not half life crisis.

Starting point is 00:34:46 Three thirds. Three fourths life crisis. But I can sort of get that. Like, if you're sort of getting to the end of your career, I can see why you might want to see a shift like that happen. Or maybe he had already

Starting point is 00:35:04 retired and it was just like i'm gonna go back to uni because i have nothing to do now maybe so something something to do there was sony hula came through that degree who just didn't stick around yeah i remember a lot of people in first year that just like disappeared a lot of those people uh i did speak to and they all had very similar reasons for being there like their parents knew they played video games therefore they can go make video games it's not how that works well like they're on the computer all the time therefore they should go be a programmer like if you obviously obviously obviously yeah absolutely yeah it like it works for some

Starting point is 00:35:53 people like i've always had like a sort of tinkerer mindset so it sort of makes sense in my case but if you just like you know wasting time on on a computer that's a very very different sort of person yeah i guess for me i'm like um fairly decent problem solver and so that you know that lends itself very well into coding and programming but yeah just like oh my son's playing too much Call of Duty on the PlayStation. I reckon I'll send him off to study IT. Surprisingly, though, some of them did get past first year. Who would this be? Aiden's one of them.

Starting point is 00:36:41 Getting past first year for him is like not really I don't know if he ever graduated no I think he's still still there still playing smash I talked to Nick like a month or so ago and yeah apparently Aiden's one of the last

Starting point is 00:37:01 people standing he's just there with the new first years, like, yes, I've been here for seven years. Hello, fellow children. I'm still studying IT fundamentals. It's not like he ever went part-time or anything to make it take a long time like Andrew did. No, he's just failing again and again and again.

Starting point is 00:37:28 Whether he's even taking classes at this point, I don't know. He's just loitering around the campus. I do feel bad for him, but he sort of did bring it on himself. Yeah. Yeah, I feel kind of bad but like yeah at the same time it's kind of like well you know you did put yourself in that situation not much i can do about it like people would help him from time to time he just didn't really want to help himself that was i think sort of like one of the big thing with a lot of people who end up dropping out

Starting point is 00:38:11 like they would sometimes they even ask for help but when you go to help them they'd sort of expect you to sort of do everything for them yeah they weren't willing to to learn it from your help which look at the end of the day like you can help people but if they're not willing to help themselves like you can't really get much further than that i'll tell you what i have learned that lesson time and time again yeah i i i made the mistake of what are you fucking doing i'm looking at my obsidian through the with with the light shining so that looks cool because it's like very slightly transparent so it actually looks really cool sorry you're saying um yeah i i learned so i think it sort of took me to my like second or my third year to realize like

Starting point is 00:39:07 just stop helping everyone like in first year if anyone asked me for like programming help on anything i would be more than willing to help and something like uh well i don't know what his name was there was a guy who like messaged everyone on facebook trying to get them My boy, Agosh. Yeah, Agosh, yes. Praise up for Agosh. Like, message everyone trying to get help from them but I would spend time helping him

Starting point is 00:39:35 but I realise, like, that's just you can't do that for everyone and some people are just sort of a lost cause. Yeah, like this is is gonna be really mean and i kind of feel bad but like like because i think he genuinely really wanted to try and was actually trying but i just don't think he was smart enough for it like there are people that just aren't smart enough to do that kind of degree.

Starting point is 00:40:06 Yeah. Like, it sounds shitty to say, but it's just, like, the truth. And so I reckon that was what was happening with his case. Because, like, I tell him stuff, and he wouldn't be the type of person that's like, oh, can you do it for me? Like, I'd genuinely give him help, and he'd be like, yeah, thank you so much. And he'd come back to me with something like entirely wrong i'm like dude no no no this isn't how it works like it's one thing to be really confused in like your first semester if you've never done any programming before like i remember back when i even though i had done programming i didn't do it properly uh i don't like what i knew from programming was sort of what i'd learned hacking around with a

Starting point is 00:40:51 java uh in my high school class um so i went into uni having sort of this real sketchy knowledge i didn't understand like how to get things out of an array and once you got it out of an array like How could you use it like these aren't named like variables? How do I use it? Like that doesn't make sense Then you know, obviously it clicks at some point you can use array indexes things like that But once you've sort of got that foundational knowledge Then if you actually have the ability to get through that degree, you should be able to take that knowledge and sort of apply it to different tasks.

Starting point is 00:41:31 And there were people who just couldn't do that. Yeah. I was thinking about this the other day, like how data structures is considered such a hard course to do i think um that's because you have to like because you're you're kind of like taught um at least in first year like or first first semester when you're first learning it like you're taught to think kind of just in terms of like the actual code and each line and stuff but past that so especially when you start learning object oriented and like yeah data structures you have to like

Starting point is 00:42:12 think a lot more visually and like actually imagine the kind of like yeah the visual metaphors that are for these lines of code i think people really struggled with that but um i found it quite easy to pick up just because i already thought in a very visual way but i think yeah there's a lot of people that struggled because that's not how they see stuff in their head data structures it was a difficult course if you tried to do everything in your head. Like, say, like, I think, what was the assignment on linked lists, binary trees, I think the second one was also on binary trees, doing, like, A star or something. The first one was all linked lists, like, single and double,

Starting point is 00:43:00 I forget what they're called, but, like, how one only goes forward and how one goes forward forward you never write your own link list you just use a library for it yeah um but yeah the second one was was trees and um use the different kind of algorithms to search them i don't remember what the third assignment was i vaguely recall it was also binary trees and you were doing like a star searches and stuff Maybe I think second assignment was making the tree And you were given the search algorithms and then third one you'd like make the algorithm Vaguely familiar. I know there was definitely a star in there somewhere yeah

Starting point is 00:43:45 the other thing that didn't really help with okay this is sort of a problem I have with a lot of the degree there was a lot of stuff that wasn't really taught I think I think what really hurts the degree a lot is the fact that it relies almost exclusively

Starting point is 00:44:04 on external resources like you could do hurts the degree a lot is the fact that it relies almost exclusively on external resources. Like you could do that entire degree, not paying a cent, just like go to like free code camp and get the exact same content. Yeah. Like I, especially just like being pointed to a textbook.

Starting point is 00:44:22 Like I know for me, I just fucking turn off the instant i start reading a textbook and so like i never like passed like i never bought a textbook but first but after first year i just stopped like downloading them and reading them i was like i'm not getting anything from this this is just like putting me to sleep like I don't know what I was just going to say I think that's a definite weakness of the course

Starting point is 00:44:53 being pointed towards a textbook instead of trying to explain that better or using like little small assignment examples or something I don't know what it is about textbooks. Let's see what I've got down here. I've actually got, I've got, I think, one.

Starting point is 00:45:10 Not one for the course, for the degree. One that I bought because it's actually just a good book. Uh-huh. Oh, wait, I actually do have a textbook here. Here we go. So... Here is a copy of Effective C++. Not a good book.

Starting point is 00:45:36 That cover though. Yeah, I know. There's like fucking eagles on there. They're shit eagles. They're shit American eagles on there they're shit eagles they're shit american eagles um but yeah then we have uh then we have a fucking phone book this is code complete oh jeez that's actually a good book i highly recommend this one um it is 900 pages long um 900 pages long.

Starting point is 00:46:05 God. Both these books, even though I do think they are relatively better than... You know, like reading... What, like... What was the Java book we had? Absolute Java? Yeah, something like that.

Starting point is 00:46:20 That is... It puts you to sleep. At least those ones do a better job at sort of, sort of, sort of trying to keep you engaged with the content. But at the end of the day, like, I,

Starting point is 00:46:32 we'd be given, like, sometimes the chapters would be, like, 15 pages long. And that would take me, like, three hours to read. I know, I, um, I, uh, uh, uh, for... Is IT Fundamentals, is that the Java course?

Starting point is 00:46:50 No, IT Fundamentals was Adam's first course. That's right. What is the Java course called? Um, Programming Fundamentals. That's what I was thinking. I don't know if they still, I think it's, they've changed stuff up now. There's a lot more Python in the degree now, but yeah, that was the one we did. Yeah, I remember on the train ride to uni, I'd remember, I'd be like,

Starting point is 00:47:12 fuck, I was meant to read 15 pages of this. I'd just skim through it. I'm like, bro, this is just going to be on your lectures, just your lecture slides. It's like fucking Stuartart's three hour fucking lecture where he doesn't say anything for half the time and be like oh if you don't attend the lecture you're not learning yeah exactly um i yeah that's another thing i realized after first year going to lectures was the dumbest thing.

Starting point is 00:47:48 Like there was no reason to do so. I showed up for a couple of them in final year in the IT project just because they cared that you showed up. But besides that, you got all of the exact same content just watching it online yeah um i would i would only show up to lectures if i had other stuff on during the day yeah like nah i ain't going to doug's lecture wednesday on 9 a.m if that's the only thing i have yeah i had... I think... I showed it to my cloud programming one in third year just because I had a class directly afterwards. I think it was the cloud programming prac or something. It's like, I might as well be here.

Starting point is 00:48:36 I don't even remember the lectures for that. I just remember that course was fucking garbage. Cloud programming... Actually, I can check my grades. Let's find out. How did I do? Cloud programming was the Amazon Web Services course, wasn't it? Yes, yes, it was.

Starting point is 00:48:52 Yeah, that was garbage. The one where I was working with Ben. Yes, Ben, Ben, is Fisher? Fish? Fishman? Ben Fish. I think it wasn't Ben Fisher. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:49:07 I can't remember his name. But... He will be. Phone line as Ben Fish. Ben Fish. Bend over, Fish. That was the course where he got a... Thousand...

Starting point is 00:49:24 Oh, no, I can't log in because it needs right they sent me an email like three weeks ago to update my password and just didn't do it um what's it saying right uh that was the class where he got a thousand dollar bill from aws because yeah the our teammate decided to have like a job in aws like constantly spun up new servers it's like stop stop doing that i think i got a c in that class and that was my only class where i got a c i reckon i also got a credit for that it's just like such a bizarre course just like the assignments didn't really like half of that course wasn't just using a VM on Linux

Starting point is 00:50:10 yeah it wasn't even a cloud course for the most of it it was just like Linux fundamentals yeah and we already did that in the fucking other course where we learnt like the Unix commands and stuff the git course I that I remember the name of either yeah what

Starting point is 00:50:32 was that one called but that one you also do like right didn't you have to write like to research papers or something or two short papers you just have to do one research paper no the the git one not the cloud one yeah the the git one you did one research paper and then okay i must be remembering it wrong you also oh no that one you had the um the programming assignment where it was just like use git and i the people in my group just didn't know at all what they were doing like they didn't even know like some of the people in my group didn't even know java and all you had to do i think it was just like do some basic maths or something like that and they just could not work it out they compiled code that oh yeah i submitted code that just

Starting point is 00:51:23 wouldn't compile like what are you guys doing yeah there was like this small list of dot points of stuff you had to do in this java program like you could literally i'm pretty sure me and josh and our teammate we literally did it in a day well there was like 10 minutes of work to do yeah exactly and just like making sure you just fucking uh send it all to your github or whatever yeah the main because the main requirement was like showing that you know how to like use remotes and make pull requests and things like that that's that's pretty much how to commit properly i'm looking at the uh the list of courses right. A lot of them sound similar to what we did. So, Design Thinking and Digital Innovation

Starting point is 00:52:14 was replaced with Design Thinking Studio, which I'm sure is the exact same class. Bro, fancy name. Mate, I love Design Thinking and Digital digital innovation what a great class that was don't you enjoy making documents and prototypes out of paper i like if i can do like journaling every week about like something so dry that it's not worth journaling about who did you do that class with like who was in your group uh i had a group of one other person and his name was also brody oh he was um really nice and we got on super well we did our work properly but he dropped out after second semester okay

Starting point is 00:52:59 i was gonna say i know another bro, but I guess it's a different person. No, that Brody, I think it would be someone else. I had a really good group, actually. Okay. I had a really good group with one person who's fucking lazy. My group was Sam and Jai. And, you know, Jai, absolutely great worker who decides to work. Doesn't decide to work a lot. I remember I had a DTDI class.

Starting point is 00:53:34 Like, mine was like... I think we might have been in the same one. I don't remember. No, I think we were. It went from, like, 5 o'clock to 8 o'clock or something. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I remember I had that class on my birthday.

Starting point is 00:53:50 I'm like, what a fucking fun way to spend my day. I'm pretty sure I had like a full day of uni and that was at the end of it. I'm like, wow. Happy fucking birthday to me. And then I have to go ride home for an hour. That was such a... I don't know why they ever decided to ride home for an hour. That was such a... I don't know why they ever decided to put classes at that time. That's such a rough time for a class.

Starting point is 00:54:10 None of the lecturers want to be there. No one wants to be there at that time. Literally no one wants to be there. It's not like the other classes were booked out or anything. They could have had it two hours earlier. Nope. Yeah, I have no idea what they were thinking.

Starting point is 00:54:30 Or, like, um, IT pro- yeah, the IT project and, um, the software engineering project are the same lecture, so you would have had that one at five as well, wouldn't you? Define all your stuff.

Starting point is 00:54:45 Yeah, I had- it was definitely at a later time. Those lectures were like... There was nothing, there was no content. Like I had, there was two lectures that had anything to do with the actual course and the rest of it was like, here's how to not be racist. I only had to do two of the classes in person uh the other ones were online oh that's good then but yeah i do remember that one they had the um the they had the aboriginal guy come in to talk about uh why you're a bad person and why you should not hate Aboriginal people. Then they had someone come in later to say, like,

Starting point is 00:55:28 you shouldn't hate women. And it's like, what is this? What are you doing in this class? Like, I already don't hate these people. Like, why are we doing this? The only thing of interest I got from the Aboriginal one was I really liked the map of all the different um subcultures or whatever i found that really fascinating but the the rest of the shit that he showed us was so

Starting point is 00:55:53 it didn't even apply just to like aboriginal people it's just like how to be a good person in customer service yeah don't use jargon don't belittle the person like that is that's not just applicable to that that's applicable to everyone and everyone already knows that the people that don't know that aren't going to learn from this thing they're already in third year of uni they should have picked that up by now and they're not going to pick it up from this boring ass lecture well in the um prior to design thinking digital innovation existing that class was aboriginal studies because they had nothing to put there oh my god yeah so the um the guys before us because they rotate the degree every four years um the guys before us, because they rotate the degree every four years, um, the guys before us did Aboriginal Studies in that class. That...

Starting point is 00:56:50 Uh-huh. That's groovy. Yep, I don't know why, but that's a thing that happened. Um, let's see. Second semester looks basically the same. Programming Fundamentals is now called Object Oriented Programming Which is honestly a much better name

Starting point is 00:57:07 Yeah Data Driven Web Technologies Which is Doug's course That's a good course Web What was it called? Web Dev It was a good web development wasn't it?

Starting point is 00:57:22 I like that course Well I like Doug, Doug's just cool dude yeah but also just like the assignments on that like taking a database and putting all of those things on like taking the database using um something rather i don't remember what it's called and just like having that all be displayed on your website like i don't know when i did that i felt really like proud of myself just because it was cool yeah yeah and then learning how to like animate shit with um uh yeah all the tools and well yeah we use jquery to animate it which is not how you would no i mean no obviously but it's, like, it's still really cool to learn. What was the... Oh, yeah, first assignment was cool, because that was remake, like, a shitty website in, like, a more modern design.

Starting point is 00:58:12 Yeah. I took the Adventure Quest website. I don't even remember what I did. Wait, have you looked at the Adventure Quest website recently? Because it looks exactly the same that did like 10 years ago. Have you actually have you ever played Adventure Quest? I don't know. Why? Play Adventure Quest. Actually don't play it's a bad game. No I have not played this. Oh what the fuck this is actually like 2010. Yup. Yup. How many players are online right now? It used to say it doesn't say right now maybe nobody

Starting point is 00:58:54 Where they're still updating it the most recent update was five days ago What the hell people still why are they still developing this? Okay, why wouldn't you be the doing uh so this is how this is how old the game is the maximum resolution is a thousand by 750 bro and i'm pretty sure that's a new a new feature that wasn't always there sure that's a new feature. That wasn't always there. Oh, so it says at the top now, there are

Starting point is 00:59:29 5,000 players online. That's more players than when I played, actually. Wow. Okay. That's more players than a lot of Steam games. I know. It has a very dedicated community. There's not much game to it But they dedicated I guess

Starting point is 00:59:51 Also saying oh and then the second assignment was wasn't it take weather data and then show it on a website Yes, yes Mmm Well, what do you reckon your favorite uh class out of all of the classes you did actually was i don't include the electives because that's that's not fair because i know you did like life drawing yeah life drawing was awesome like Honestly, I reckon IT project. I loved that course. Like, the thing I got to do was so fun. What was your project? Because my project was an absolute meme.

Starting point is 01:00:35 I had to design a... Like, not a program as in computer program. Like a week-long program for um work experience basically oh not not even work experience just like a course for high schoolers to go through to understand the different parts of like um it so like programming designing um like team management and stuff uh yeah getting like a program for high schools to come through that get a good grasp of each of those and um yeah just expose them to like the world of it as a like effort to get them to study it or whatever and so yeah that was really good

Starting point is 01:01:27 Is that something that ended up actually getting used? Because I know some people did actually did projects that did end up being used in the real world Yeah it got used so I did it for the Department of Human Services and like yeah they've actually used it since then which is really good and like everyone that went through it

Starting point is 01:01:43 really enjoyed it which I was pretty happy with hearing about that that's actually good because my one my one didn't get used um my one was a i got the biggest joke project you could ever imagine me and reese got such a great project um so we got a scholarship which is already a massive thing but our project that we did was just so shit and so basic. Basically we had this existing project

Starting point is 01:02:16 it was for showing genomics data in virtual reality which is stupid don't do it the code base is a mess as well and it's not any less of a mess after we left it basically we just had to add a couple of features to it it's pretty much it Bruce would like and we want this thing like okay we'll add that he initially he wanted us to do something complicated

Starting point is 01:02:39 then he realized like wait nah it's fine just get him to do something basic get him to do this like thing really the work that we did because we had a full year project rather than a semester the work we did honestly would have really taken like maybe two months at most i just remember like my um supervisor person was Grant and just like we scheduled so many meetings like like how you meant to like weekly meetings or whatever he wouldn't turn up to half of them and then he'd be like on the I'm pretty sure it's just because like he was so sure that our little group was like doing a good job and like he wanted to make sure we were doing a good job because it was like a partnership with an actual company it wasn't just like a like one-off do this for a lecturer oh yeah well we were working with um the csiro so yeah but like

Starting point is 01:03:39 he wanted to make sure the partnership was gonna like keep going after us but like i think after like the first couple weeks he was he was just like yeah you guys are gonna be fine like um so he just like stopped coming to meetings and stuff yeah we had um so andrew was our supervisor then bruce was our client bruce was like the guy who liaised with CSIRO on the uni's behalf. Bruce is great. I like Bruce. Andrew realized how much of a joke project it was. And he did show up to every meeting.

Starting point is 01:04:14 But we'd have our meetings for like basically long enough to make sure that we weren't dead. So he'd show up just like, oh yeah, you guys working? Like, yep. Okay. Good meeting. see you later the only thing about it project i didn't like is um because of how like bigger thing was and how many changes we had to make to it we didn't really get a lot of time to do the final document right um so our group ended up staying up until like three or four in

Starting point is 01:04:46 the morning just finishing it off like but we still got a hd for that and i think the the single presentations were so flawed in the way that they wanted them presented like or don't show how you're going to implement or anything Don't show us any hands Like it was just really weird and like or don't talk to you other team members about this when you meant to be working in a team for the whole thing Make sure you guys don't overlap or anything or make sure you have it in this exact structure it was just so bizarre like like someone was just like well i want this and this and this but i also want this even

Starting point is 01:05:33 not contradicts with the first thing yeah i don't remember what his name was um but there was bruce and one other i'm not bruce i'm doug and one other guy marking all of the presentations for us. I don't know if it was the same set up for you guys. I think so. Yeah. And Doug was happy with everything. He never really complained about anything. The other guy

Starting point is 01:05:58 every thing he can possibly nitpick, he would nitpick. What? Okay. He was nitpicking so much stuff that when we did our group presentation, he thought that, I think it was like the second

Starting point is 01:06:14 group presentation or something? I don't know. Doesn't matter. One of the group presentations, he thought that we had cheated and that Andrew made the presentation for us. Like, no. Just because it's good doesn't mean we cheated what do you stop i got in trouble because apparently my slides design was too boring too software engineer like well not no it wasn't that it was just they were too plain which is bullshit because i i purposely didn't use one of the pre done um powerpoint

Starting point is 01:06:48 thingos because i was like this looks like shit and does not suit our presentation whatever and i went through and did custom slides for all of them like our thing was like um and i also we had our logo which is is like SDLC in a HTML tag bracket. It looked really cool. And it was like the colors of, it's like the center link colors, like the blue, green, and yellow. So it looked great. And I took that blue, green, and yellow and did like a gradient of just like, just a nice bar at the top i think or something like that so it looked really nice but it the rest of it was white um and then it had black text with a couple

Starting point is 01:07:32 pictures so it looked really good and really clean it was super readable and this guy's like it's boring my yeah my complaint was that all it's the same sort of complaint, where it's just like, oh, these slides look like a software engineer made them. Like... Yes. Yes, obviously. Like, I'm not a designer. You're literally asking a software engineer to make these slides.

Starting point is 01:07:56 What are you fucking saying? I'm pretty sure it was either a person in my team or just someone else I was like super close with. They used one of the like PowerPoint thingos to make it more visually interesting. And then they got told off for it being too cluttered and too busy. He just wanted to get a slide. And I saw their slides. They were fine.

Starting point is 01:08:19 Yeah. And I also got in trouble for putting our logo that we designed into it. Because like otherwise it would just literally just be black text. And, and this guy was just like, you put the implementation of it in the, uh, pre-designed PowerPoint. That's actually not okay. I'm like, this isn't implementation. This is our fucking logo that we got told to make by the fucking person or by the

Starting point is 01:08:48 the thing by the project supervisor like come on my dude actually get a fucking stick out of your asshole i feel really bad for the p so my project was development based i feel bad for I think it was Kenley's project because there was one of the presentations he didn't talk about like features you'd implemented in your case you could talk about like the sort of the program you're making that applies fine his project

Starting point is 01:09:18 was actually just doing a research paper yeah I remember that it's like how do you talk about that i don't know what he ended up doing but that was such a mess for course because they didn't the the problem they had is even though they even though they were the ones that curated the projects that were coming in they didn't make the projects or they didn't make sure the projects actually fit the structure of the course

Starting point is 01:09:48 so some people had projects that were massive, some people had projects like mine, some people had fucking research papers, some people had developing like a real world program there was just no consistency in the way they actually structured it mhm

Starting point is 01:10:02 yeah even with all those problems it's still my favorite course just because of the people and because of what i got to do like that i think that's pretty good testament to how good it was even though all these problems were scattered throughout it how uh how long was your design document because i don't mind being very long too long actually 30 pages or something uh okay that that's like the second one isn't it uh something like that yeah yeah well the good thing about ours is because because the like the program we made was like we designed all of that. So we could basically take that and just chuck it in the design document.

Starting point is 01:10:49 Ah, yep, yep. Mine was, I think, like 110 pages. Ooh. They did not like that. Like, oh, this is too long. Nope, it's fine. Because they were like, oh, make sure the project gets documented. This project didn't have documentation

Starting point is 01:11:07 before we started. Disgusting. We documented it, and we were doing that over the course of the year, not right at the end. You guys didn't have to do a research paper on your thing, did you?

Starting point is 01:11:23 That was only a final year thing, wasn't it? Yeah, I didn't have to do a research paper on your thing, did you? That was only a final year thing, wasn't it? Yeah, I didn't have to do a research paper. Yeah, we had to do a research paper. So first semester was designing a project. Same thing you guys did. Second semester was just basically doing a research paper. Okay. That's because you did light gear honours.

Starting point is 01:11:42 I did, yeah. I did software engineering. I did the advanced one and it was pain just pain because there there wasn't like a recommended word count there wasn't a minimum word count there was nothing it was just like right just right so like andrew can you give us anything because at that point andrew actually took over the course from Doug. He's like, give us something. And we got something.

Starting point is 01:12:13 I think he ended up saying something like 3,000 words. No, sorry, it was 3,000 words per person, I think. So, I ended up being a 6,000. I remember when I, like, because I've been doing my book, it just made me, like, look back on uni assignments and be like, oh, 2,000, that's quite a lot to write. And then meanwhile, like, each one of my chapters is, like, 6,000 words. Jesus.

Starting point is 01:12:50 How is progress coming along with that one um it's going good i i finished chapter seven just the other day um it is a bit longer than other ones it's 7 500 words which is why it took a bit longer um and i also went back uh edited my first chapter a lot because um my writing style in that was um a lot different to how it is at this point because i hadn't really written anything like this before um but like i was having this problem like going back through chapter one i was like i found this thing that i was doing i was like over detailing everything over explaining everything like uh i basic because the house that um is in the book is based on a house that i lived in um so like i see it perfectly in my mind and so i was trying to explain every fucking corner every detail every piece of furniture i'm like bro i gotta get rid of this is this is no one's going to be able to picture it how i am and this is just like unnecessary

Starting point is 01:13:57 detail that no one's gonna remember right um and so i've also been watching, following this guy on TikTok. He's like a writer and he gives like writing tips. And basically you only want to tell people stuff that's important to their character. So like instead of, you know, say you're describing a character, instead of describing like mundane things like oh they have brown hair they have pants um you kind of pick like two or three uh important character related things so you'd say oh she has um worn out skate shoes yeah yeah because that like implies that you know she's a skater she doesn't is not concerned with like the quality of her shoes and so just like yeah i went back and that applies to like houses and locations as well so like instead of describing or they have a bed that looks like this, I described, I think the house has a lot of plants around it, because the character's mum really likes plants or something,

Starting point is 01:15:17 I don't really exactly remember, but yeah, just along those lines. So yeah, I went back and did that, and I probably have to do it for the other ones but just not as much um but also just like going back and adding some stuff in to make sure it's all makes sense but yeah yeah i i get what you mean like i was i'm reading some beautiful trash right now we have we have this right here second volume um and it's sort of I definitely can't show the pictures at the start it sort of reminds me of how they introduce some of the characters and how they introduce some of the areas

Starting point is 01:15:53 let's see if we can find a bit that actually makes sense right there's this two headed T-Rex thing wait here we go. Where are they introducing Shia? Am I going to be able to find

Starting point is 01:16:15 the part that I think actually fits what I'm trying to say? I don't think I'm going to be able to find the thing that I'm trying to say. I don't think I'm going to be able to find the thing that I'm trying to reference. Rest in peace. Rest in peace. Wait. No, I'm not finding it.

Starting point is 01:16:39 Shit. Ignore my entire point I was trying to make. But I definitely understand the point you're trying to get at with like describing things like that alright here we go so this bit they were like trying to escape from a labyrinth going down a

Starting point is 01:17:00 um going down a secret path uh so Hajime and Yui nodded to each other and stepped forward into the passage a secret path. So Hajime and Yue nodded to each other and stepped forward into the passage. They didn't find any forks in the road so they just kept going. There were a few more sealed doors and traps

Starting point is 01:17:16 along the way, but Orcster's ring opened or disabled them all automatically. Both of them were on their guard, but that proved unnecessary as they continued with their incident until finally they spotted a faint light in the distance so instead of explaining every fucking

Starting point is 01:17:32 turn in the path explaining the cracks in the wall that don't really matter you sort of just get to the details that sort of drags the story along yeah something else as well is like you can use extreme detail as like a storytelling device so like if you want like this is something

Starting point is 01:17:57 i've done if you want um it to be like really slow and like um yeah just like i was gonna say something else but but yeah if you want it to be really slow you can be like say the character's waiting for something you can like then you can like go ahead and describe everything that they're seeing because it like blows down the pace of the book and you actually kind of feel like you're just like, oh, fuck, I'm waiting for this person to show up. As they're waiting at the bus stop, they see the countless cars go by. They see this car and that car

Starting point is 01:18:37 and at some point a bicycle car. You know, just explain the fucking traffic as they're waiting for the bus. Yeah, that's sort of what you're trying to get at, isn't it? Yeah, just like... Just doing it in a better way that is actually well written. This car and that car. They see a young mother

Starting point is 01:18:57 almost trip over and knock the stroller she's carrying. Things like that. Rest in peace. Rest in peace baby baby flies onto road um something else though that i've really liked is um like each chapter feels very unique and i think that's just because like of the way i've told the story so like the first chapter takes place over a day but like chapter two and three um they like go over a couple months and then like the way number five is told is like

Starting point is 01:19:34 it jumps between the present and the past of that same day um to like i like um because i think i said this last time but i because i've read harry potter just before i started doing this like there's a lot of mystery in that and i really enjoyed you know being teased uh like different little things until it finally all clicks together so just like yeah using different um narrative structures to to that, like achieve mystery and tease stuff through that has been really fun If anyone who hasn't seen

Starting point is 01:20:12 the previous ones, just give a quick rundown of what the book is about It's essentially about this girl called, it's basically a biography of me but fictionalised So it's about a girl called it it's basically a biography of me but um fictionalized um so it's about a girl called erica and she finds this uh this book uh when you write stuff in it it disappears like it

Starting point is 01:20:38 basically absorbs the ink or whatever and it just remains blank but after she has uh like this experience for the first time it shows up as if she's written it in there um and then yeah just kind of trying to figure out you know what's going on there um but yeah i think the the book's about like i mean it's about fucking doing drugs and shit but uh so it's about that but it's also about um like uh friendships and stuff because that's like something that i really struggled with for like a long time and just kind of for like a long time and just kind of, um, hinting,

Starting point is 01:21:27 is it the other people's fault or is it the main character's fault or is a bit of both? Um, and, and just like, yeah, I think to, to summarize drugs,

Starting point is 01:21:40 friends and like drug conversation. Sure. Okay. drugs, friends, and, like, drug conversations. Sure, okay. I don't think you've mentioned that it's a fictionalized biography on the show before. Okay, well, that's what it is. Like, it takes...

Starting point is 01:22:00 I don't know if I've said, but when I... I don't do if I said but when I um yeah I don't do drugs okay but if I were to um I keep notes every time I do it so like if I am just thinking something I'll write it down I usually do like a bit of a recount afterwards and so uh like i have a whole collection of that so basically allegedly yeah allegedly um yeah so i have like this whole collection of stories and so i've taken all the really all my favorite ones and all the ones that like were impactful and kind of taught me stuff um and i've put them into the into the book uh and used this magical book that the main character finds as like a fictionalization and obviously everyone's like got different names and they're changed appearances and stuff and there's like certain details

Starting point is 01:23:06 that have been like completely changed like um compared to my life but yeah that's uh that's the lowdown that's the lowdown yeah how long do you reckon sorry oh i was just gonna say i'm a third of the way done now so how long um do you think it'll take you to actually get done if you don't you know break down and get to halfway through the book and rewrite the entire thing's horrible and restart um i hope that doesn't happen get to like 90, rewrite the entire thing. I'm like legitimately happy with all of it so far, which is like... Except the first chapter, which you rewrote.

Starting point is 01:23:50 Yeah. Well, I didn't rewrite it, I just edited it a lot. Fair enough. But, what was I gonna say? Yeah, I'm really happy with it, which normally doesn't happen with a lot of my stuff that I make, so I think that's a good sign that i am that i'm

Starting point is 01:24:05 not gonna just break down and be like no it's disgusting i need to rewrite all of it um but i've kind of set the set myself the goal of getting it done by the end of the year like the reason why it's taken me like this long so far i think i think i've taken i think it's taken me about half a year to write this much i think it's only going to speed up from there because i spent a lot of time planning out what i wanted to do and a lot of time finding my writing style um but i have a pretty good idea where it's going from here. So yeah, if I could have a first proper draft done by then, you know, I'd be happy.

Starting point is 01:24:52 Well, I hope that goes well. I, for one, haven't really done much creative writing at all. It's just, I don't know, it's just something that's never really appealed to me, but I can see why it appeals to you, judging by the sort of content you've made on your channel. You seem to have an interest in trying to tell some sort of story, as well as fucking hijacking my channel and telling a story there as well.

Starting point is 01:25:20 I haven't really told a story. You're trying to connect it into your own story. Little Easter egg. I was thinking about thinking about like I remember when I first came on I was like oh should I continue my character of the one that's on the channel but I was like oh no don't be fucked

Starting point is 01:25:35 you actually were considering that I was considering it but like it'd just be too much effort to try and work it into everything else that I already have going with that. Right. I still am planning to make more videos. Like, I still have, like, a pretty good plan of the next couple. I just have... I don't know.

Starting point is 01:26:02 I've had a lot of stuff going on um but i just uh i also have i haven't been really feeling it recently that's something um i thought was funny is like in in my book is um a lot of the times it talks about uh the main character trying to force stuff out of the magical book like she's like oh I'm gonna have I'm gonna go get high a bunch of times to try and like get the book to write shit down for me but it doesn't it doesn't work for her because she's trying to force it right i found it funny because i'd have that exact same thing happen when i was trying to write it if i wasn't in the right mood like trying to write while i wasn't meant to just it was just a slog i'd get like two sentences done i'm like nah fuck this and i think it's the same with uh making videos

Starting point is 01:27:04 as well it's like there's been times where i've made videos when i really haven't wanted to and i think they're my worst videos so i've kind of just left it the kind of approach i'm taking now is like i'll make videos when i have the the cold to it i guess i think that will that that's resulted in stuff that's a lot better. Hmm. I, I can certainly respect that approach, but I sort of look at it in the sort of exact opposite way. Um, I've got this tweet here from, uh, Ben O'Ward, and he sort of sums up where I stand on it like pretty succinctly. Let me see. There we go. Is it showing on the screen? Yes, it is. Other than waiting, this is what I do when I get writer's block and can't think of any good ideas. I do a lot of bad ideas. I apply this to code,

Starting point is 01:28:00 content, startups. Making good content is a prerequisite to make... Sorry. Making bad content is a prerequisite to making good content. Yeah, I definitely... I definitely get that as well. That's definitely another good approach. You just... That is a tip I've heard for writing. It's like, just allow yourself to write pure shit

Starting point is 01:28:26 and then going back over it afterwards i think i have done that a couple times it's just um i'll like um switch between the two of them but i don't think i've really i haven't really done that for my channel though because it's such a tightly connected story I don't want to have I want to try and not have a bad video in there especially if it's going to be a really important one in the overarching story

Starting point is 01:29:01 no I can certainly get that with that that's why i i get your approach it's just not the way that i like to handle stuff myself but it is good to see that you are applying that at least to the writing because otherwise you know you might actually hit a point where even though you have plans it out you're just not sure how to actually start your plan yeah well i remember um i finished my first chapter i was like wait what the fuck i actually wrote like 6 000 words of a chapter and yeah trying to start the second one was really intimidating but yeah i kind of like let myself do a bit of a janky job and then fixed it afterwards and yeah going forward from that was fine I'm sure like there's there has to be like some

Starting point is 01:29:49 some like level of intimidation you have where now you see like there's what 21,000 words something like that sorry more than that 28,000 if you've got 7 chapters like going back and like

Starting point is 01:30:04 having to read and edit that, like, as time goes on, as more and more gets added to it, it must get more and more overwhelming. Yeah, of course. And, like, making sure everything makes sense and, like, linking stuff from... Well, like, making sure that stuff that's alluded to in the first couple chapters is like starting to pay off like making sure all of that makes sense and yet having to go

Starting point is 01:30:33 back and read through a bunch of stuff it does get a bit intimidating um yeah how so i'm sure you probably don't have it formatted in like the sort of book style yet but if it if it was um how many pages would it end up actually being as it currently stands you reckon well i think each chapter is about 12 a4 pages right and so i've been told i saw a thing um that basically you kind of just rotate it and then you split it into two columns like landscape wise so you'd end up having about double the amount um that doesn't account for like the kind of more special formatting for like if you have notes or stuff written in there but yeah i've kind kind of just gone for like a double.

Starting point is 01:31:26 So probably like just an estimate of like 25, the 20 to 25 pages each chapter. So like, yeah, it'd be close to 200 pages now. Yeah, it might. I think I'm onto something with it being a little overwhelming to go back and edit. Yeah, just a little bit. Maybe more like 170-ish.

Starting point is 01:31:54 Jeez. I'm happy to see that it's coming along, because you've been working on this for quite a while. You hadn't started it when we did the first episode, had you? Of the podcast? Yeah, yeah. No,'t started when we did the first episode, had you? Of the podcast? Yeah, yeah. No, I started this probably around December. Okay. So... I don't know what episode we would have

Starting point is 01:32:15 been on. Um... Well, this is episode 70, so... So, probably around, like, 40 or so I reckon you've made a lot of progress then

Starting point is 01:32:30 yeah I'm pretty sure I am making good progress because I know books like if you're not an established writer that can just like smash stuff out I'm pretty sure writing a book properly takes like

Starting point is 01:32:45 getting away from a year to two years so i think i am on pretty good track with where i'm at so you said it was going to be you say 10 chapters 11 21 21 okay, I was completely wrong. That's going to be a little long. Yeah. Okay, so that would be somewhere in the range of close to 500 pages at that point, wouldn't it?

Starting point is 01:33:19 Wait, my maths is completely off. What is 21 times 5? No, not... Wait, no. 21... Not 21. I'm fucking... broken.

Starting point is 01:33:32 Let me just get the old calculator. Maths. 20 times 21. So about 420 pages. Okay. So yeah, 400 to 500 pages, I'm guessing. Like the next chapter I'm doing is going to be a bit shorter. Are you going to make it end on 420 pages?

Starting point is 01:33:55 I don't know how, like that'd be so annoying to do because you also have to consider like the shit the publisher would want to put at the front and the backs of the book that would just be good for the meme though it would be a good meme have you looked more into like how you would possibly get something like that published not yet i kind of wanted to just have a draft of it first before I looked into it or approached anywhere with it. Just to be like, hey, I've actually done it. You can trust me. I'm not going to like write two chapters and give up.

Starting point is 01:34:38 But I know that you can self-publish through like Amazon and stuff. Yeah, yeah. Hail Jeffrey. can self-publish through like amazon and stuff yeah yeah uh hail jeffrey um so if if getting actually published didn't work out i think that's what i would end up doing yeah i know there's a lot of authors do go through that approach because either they aren't an established author or for whatever reason uh no author really wants to touch them they're like maybe like some sort of sensitive political figure or something like that and that just seems like an approach that just sort of works i don't know what the cost would be like on that or anything

Starting point is 01:35:17 like that how like how much you need to sell for it to actually for them to even let you do it because i'm sure you couldn't just like sell one copy and have it done like that um yeah well i'm not sure but i i my ultimate goal is to like be able to like go into dimmix or something and see my book there like that'd be fucking so sick um but yeah that's my my goal and i like this is something i i'm doing as more of a a hobby passion project thing so like i i know publishers leech like a lot of money from you but for this specific for this specific book i really do not give a about money like if i want to keep writing afterwards i think then i'd care but like yeah this is a story that i've wanted to get out for like the longest time like because i've been writing those notes down

Starting point is 01:36:11 of my experiences since like the end of high school so like easily five years of just stuff that and like throughout that time i've thought about different ways i wanted to tell her i was like initially i wanted to do uh like a comic or like a graphic novel of it and i had like i was playing i think i did a couple pages of like sketches and stuff and i was like oh i don't think i can do this. This is going to take so long. Obviously, you could tell a lot of the world-building stuff through imagery, but even so, let's say it was 200 pages.

Starting point is 01:36:58 Yeah, that's far too long. The thing is, if I did do it as a drawing, I'd want it to be in my style as well. So, wait, I don't know how much of my art you have seen. Ah, you've sent me stuff that you've done for people. I don't know if you've got something specific in mind.

Starting point is 01:37:22 Um, I'll get my DeviantArt up and just send it to you. Alright. I don't think you've sent me your DeviantArt before. Um. Super Cosman. Yay.

Starting point is 01:37:39 Uh. I'm waiting. I'm waiting for the link. Yeah, so. So good. Uh, how do I go on my profile? Dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun

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Starting point is 01:38:24 There we go uh oh uh that one go into gallery okay ah yeah okay yeah you sent me a lot of these um yeah so like a lot that weren't here. Excluding the Bowen one, I'd probably want to... And the more you scroll down, the more detailed portraits there are. portraits there are i'd probably want to do that kind of style for the if i were to do like a graphic novel thing just because like that's just like how i enjoy drawing and i'd want the style to be like unique and stuff but oh my god that would just take far too long yeah Yeah, I can see some of them in here, like the Walter White one. I can't imagine how long that took to draw,

Starting point is 01:39:32 because there's a lot of very small detail in there. That one and the Adam Savage and Michael Stevens one, that took so fucking long. If you click on it and zoom in, you can see how much detail I actually put into that, oh, Jesus, I can see, oh, Jesus, not just the wrinkles, they're like, wow, okay, um, if you look at Adam's hair, like, there's a lot of shit in there. Jesus. Yeah, this... Also, some nice colour work under his eyes as well. Yeah, I can see why this would take a while.

Starting point is 01:40:24 Yeah, so I'd probably want it to... Maybe not be that detailed, but, like like if you go back to all of them there's uh a self-portrait of me in black and white i think it should be i don't know it's next to the spiral thing not next to the spiral if you fall uh the is this called self-portrait four oh okay yep self-portrait four okay easy so it'll probably end up being like that um i don't yeah so like that much detail which yeah i think would just be a little bit too much that that is definitely if i were to do that that is definitely something i would get burnt out on like i haven't been burnt out by writing the book but i just yeah i know having to draw that much would just kill me yeah i, I can see why. I just realised your camera's been half off the screen the entire time.

Starting point is 01:41:30 Now it's more centred. Rest in peace. She'll be right. It's much better. Now you're actually on the screen properly. I also had your camera half under the screen as well. Thank you. So you looked even shorter than you do right now. I also had like you're having like half under the screen as well oh thank you so you looked even shorter than you do right now

Starting point is 01:41:47 um yeah that would take a long ass time like I'm sure if you really put the effort in you could automate parts of your art style but

Starting point is 01:42:03 I'm sure you'd want to make sure it's exactly the way it's exactly the way you want it to be yeah i mean if i um this is like something i think uh i learned from someone i used to follow is if you have like used to follow is if you have like if you're drawing a comic and you um you have a area that is in a lot so like the main house you can 3d model the house and then like yeah um like just trace over it yeah there's a lot of artists that do that not sometimes it's not even for like a full 3d environment sometimes it's more like um giving them a reference of where things should be like they'll use just placeholder objects yeah i can see how that would certainly be helpful i'm sure someone would complain like that's not a pure way to draw it but at the end of the

Starting point is 01:43:06 day you if you're doing something like that you would need to just get it done and i i can't see any other way you would really get that done no i it's take too long and like there are people that have like projects like that and they stick to it and they get them done which is like really impressive but i just know that's not really in my capability at the moment yeah that seems like the book seems like a much better approach yeah so if you were to do a a second project after this what would you do or do you just have no idea at this stage like a writing yeah yeah second writing project second book if you will i don't think i'd do sorry i don't think i'd do something as long as this i'd definitely do something more in the realms of like

Starting point is 01:44:05 200 pages or i'd do like three smaller stories um like all put together i think that's where i'd end up going and i have a couple of ideas of like settings and and topics that i'd like to explore but i'm sure that would come with its own challenges because, uh, you know, something easy about something, a benefit of the book I'm doing at the moment is I can draw so much from real life.

Starting point is 01:44:39 Yeah. Yeah. But I know if I, um, did something else, I'd have to make up a lot more. I'd probably still take experiences and stuff from my life and apply them to a completely different setting and whatever.

Starting point is 01:44:56 But yeah, I'm sure it would be a lot harder because I can draw on direct experiences. Yeah, I don't really know what to say about that I don't have any the extent of my creative writing is like hey write a 100 word story in primary school

Starting point is 01:45:16 I remember even in high school in like year 10 I think that was the last time I did English like I remember writing like 500 words being like so hard and such a chore i think it's the same thing with anything in school really where you don't really care about it yeah true like as i said earlier i'm learning japanese right now if i was doing that in school because i did uh learn german for like a year in primary school i hated it it was mind-numbingly boring yeah but being in control of what you want to what you want to learn and where you want to focus i think

Starting point is 01:46:02 i think if you do that in a way that you put put your focus on something you have passion in i think you can really get yourself to actually spend the time on it yeah that definitely um yeah well prime example, like, it didn't even, like, occur to me how much, like, I was basing my chapter lengths off of Harry Potter chapter lengths. Because I was like, I really like that, compared to, like, other books I've read, like, they can go on for way too long. long um i really liked you know 20-ish pages is just about enough to like if you were to start reading when you went to bed you'd get sleepy by the last couple pages and you're like okay you know i've read a whole chapter that's nice um and so yeah so i based it off of that and yeah by the time i made it to 6 000 words I was like wait what the fuck that was easy as yeah 6 I remember when I

Starting point is 01:47:09 I remember the first time I had to do like a thousand word essay that was so insane then like once you I think having to write like 3,000 word things in uni sort of does it gives you a better understanding of, like, what you're... Like, the fact that you can just write more,

Starting point is 01:47:31 it's just a matter of whether what you're writing about actually has that much to be said about it. Yeah. I think that was a problem, though, with some of the assignments, was, like, it'd be, like, write 2,000 words, but you can't really say it in about a thousand yeah i do i definitely remember a lot of that a lot of it was sort of like just sort of uh ramble for the sake of expanding it out but ramble in a way they like so yeah which is it's really dumb yeah basically explain the crinkles in the curtain

Starting point is 01:48:08 but explain it in a researchy way the uh geometric protrusion of this curtain no but like i don't know why stuff isn't more so marked on actual, the quality of what you've written instead of meeting an arbitrary word limit. Yeah. I know, I'm pretty sure some lecturers were like, this is just a guide of how many words you don't actually need to write this much. But the other ones be like, if I don't say exactly 2,000 words, one word more, one word less. I am going to come to your house and kill your mother. There actually were lecturers who were like, yeah, it has to be within 10% of 2,000. It's like, no, stop.

Starting point is 01:48:56 I understand having a max word limit. That does make sense to me because they've got so many assignments to mark. That makes sense. Yeah. But sure, if you can say everything in 500 words, if it's as good or better than what would be at 2000, I don't think that should be looked down on.

Starting point is 01:49:17 Yeah, exactly. Just woes of the education system. Yeah, we can play with the education system all day i feel like um but what just i've got some so one of the topics on here is our finding meaning finding meaning in your life um i feel like there's there's a lot of people out there who don't really who don't really give themselves anything to work towards so when you have people who feel like they are sort of just spinning in the mud not really getting anywhere i feel like that's a very much due to the fact there's a lot of people who just don't give themselves something to work towards so i can't imagine like working a full-time job

Starting point is 01:50:07 for someone else's company being really that fulfilling. Sure, you might enjoy your job, but you're not building something that is really yours. Yeah, well, that's why people have midlife crises because they've been working the same job for five to ten years and they realise they're like, what the fuck am i

Starting point is 01:50:25 doing like they haven't they they hadn't reflected on their life before then and it gets to that point where they're just like wait a second i'm 40 i've been doing the same shit for 10 years fucking i hate my job hate my life hate my wife and they're just like time to go buy a sports car yeah there's definitely a lot of old people around here who own sports cars um but i i've noticed this a bit with my housemates as well where they're they're both getting up there that like my think i think the youngest is 35 or something like that and you can see like she's clearly not got anything really going for her in her life she sort of just goes to work come home has some jacks goes to bed goes to work comes home just

Starting point is 01:51:21 repeat that cycle every single day. But it's not like you have to have like some, you know, you don't have to be like building a business or something like that. You could be just, you have to be doing something, just anything at all. Otherwise, I don't think you're really going to, I don't think you can really,

Starting point is 01:51:48 I don't know how long you can really just spend doing nothing in your life no it's it really is awful like after uni I like basically had a year before I realised what I wanted to do with myself and like you know taking some time

Starting point is 01:52:03 for that has been helpful because i i finally do actually know what i want like i don't want to work a nine-to-five job i don't want to work for someone else i don't want a job like that i want to be creative i want to do my own thing be in charge of what i'm doing um but also like a lot of that time that I spent was literally just doing nothing, being fucking depressed. And, like, yeah, if you're not doing something of substance, it doesn't have to be having a job. It doesn't have to, like, it can literally be, like, oh, you know, I'm working on myself. I'm going, like, I'm implementing this exercise routine or something. I think that is why there's a lot of people out there

Starting point is 01:52:47 who get really addicted to going to the gym, because it's a very, it's a simple thing you can dedicate yourself to. Yeah, exactly. And so, but, like, yeah, when you aren't doing anything, you just, it worsens itself. Like, you would think, i'm just and this isn't the same as taking like a week off to yourself after you've been working for a while like after i finished junior i was like yeah i deserve a bit of a break that wasn't included in this time i'm talking

Starting point is 01:53:18 about it's more so just like weeks after weeks after weeks of not doing anything just stagnating and yeah you end up spiraling down this hole that you need to like eventually climb yourself out of which is yeah yeah and but like having a routine having something that you're working towards is what stops that from happening it is difficult for some people to think in sort of like a long-term goal like that. You can definitely see when someone has issues with that because they're the sort of person who probably will go home and just do something that doesn't really push them towards anything they'll

Starting point is 01:54:05 just go for like the the sort of simplest satisfaction they can get whereas then uh like my sister for example uh she was like this for a while but she realized uh because after she um she dropped out of high school she just worked for like a year or so and did nothing but that and realized she actually should go back and finish adult schooling now she's going to uni and doing a um a biology degree and like she's now thinking more of that like long term like okay i have this goal in the future that i want to get to. I think she wants to be a lab assistant. Yeah. And I like... Oh, sorry.

Starting point is 01:54:51 I go on what you're saying. I was just going to say, I like that kind of goal making. I hate hearing like, oh, what's your five-year plan? What's your 10-year plan? Like, that is so stupid. Someone asked me if I'm going to be doing YouTube in five years like i don't fucking know don't ask me that

Starting point is 01:55:09 question i think the better way to think of it is having a realistic like uh i've heard people say this as well you have like a bit of a a short time goal that you want to get done by the end of the month and then you have a one-year goal um yeah and then you have a one-year goal uh like that's proportional to that kind of size like you don't actually have to get it done by the end of the year you just have to work towards that kind of goal that's that big um i think that's a lot healthier than being like in five years i'm gonna end i'm gonna own business i'm gonna own 10 cars tangent well the problem no it's it's sort of where we're going um the problem with the the short just the short-term goals i think this is where a lot of people stop is once they hit the short-term goal this as you mentioned sort of happened with the um

Starting point is 01:56:05 the chapter you're writing that when you wrote the first chapter now the first chapter's done but there's still this massive goal in front of you to sort of to sort of get to like it's the same thing with like weight loss if you're trying to like lose you know trying to lose 20 kilos for example once you lose that first five you've made progress but it doesn't feel like you've made that much progress yeah that's something else as well as like being able to take that more long-term goal and then breaking it into smaller ones. Aiden, for example, doesn't have much of a goal. I like to bring up Aiden as a great example of what not to do.

Starting point is 01:56:56 Yeah, it's a bit rough. I don't... Okay. You should have him on the podcast sometime. That would be fun. I don't think there's anything wrong with dedicating... Like, this is something that I feel like a lot of people... There's a lot of people who do have a problem with this. Dedicating yourselves, like, to playing video games.

Starting point is 01:57:15 I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I think the problem you get with dedicating yourself to video games is there's a lot of people who just play the games to sort of waste the time away if you'll say playing apex for example and you've actually got yourself a goal there you're like i want to get to x rank this season i think that that can actually be that same sort of meaning that can come from learning a language or can come from writing a book but i don't think you're going to get that. From just being like. I'm just going to play a match of league today.

Starting point is 01:57:50 And I hate this game. And I hate myself. I know people like that. Or like I'll just. Play some FIFA. And roll some. Or get some cards. And that's all I'm going to do.

Starting point is 01:58:04 Don't really have a sort of an end goal in mind it's just like make it happen basically yeah and like you're yeah going off of that you don't need to have you don't need to have a goal that is a traditional goal like you don't you don't have to be like oh like you don't have to get a job that's something that's so you get a job i mean you probably should but like there's something that's so ingrained into us from like such a young age that but that doesn't have to be like your one year that doesn't have to be a long-term goal it can literally be anything as long as you're treating it as that as more of like a hobbyish type kind of thing instead of like an escape

Starting point is 01:58:52 or time wasting thing that's like that's the difference between what you were saying about the video games like your video games that that is video games um yeah but that's the difference is like playing like a match of league just to fucking escape for like an hour is much different from like oh i want to get yeah to x rank and got a y pitch or i don't know whatever games whatever games people are playing escape from tarkov i don't know what are the cool kids are playing i know there's like a new um there's a new season of uh cod starting soon i don't fucking know because the code is now like a battle royale as well or something yeah i haven't paid attention to games for a while i've been playing a game called smkrx it's um

Starting point is 01:59:48 look it up on steam uh it's like snake but it's like um have you ever played oh, what was that game called? Geometry Wars? Uh, no, but I've seen gameplay of it. Yeah, it's kind of like Snake mixed with Geometry Wars. Aha. Mixed with stuff from, um, Auto Chess. Huh. This looks really cool. Yeah, basically you build your snake with these different units,

Starting point is 02:00:27 and they all have different abilities, and they all synergize with each other. So you're trying to make a good team out of your snake, and then you drive it around, and that's kind of like the similarity between Geometry Wars, because the stuff spawns and you have to kill it with your dudes. This looks pretty cool, actually. It's only $4.50, I believe.

Starting point is 02:00:56 $4.50 Australian, so I don't know, like a tour in the US, probably? A tour. A tour. It's probably like $2.50 in the US. Yeah, I? A tour. A tour. It's probably like two months or so. 250 in the US. Yeah, I've been playing a lot of that and it's

Starting point is 02:01:09 really fun. That does look kind of cool. I've, honestly, I mainly play indie stuff at this point.

Starting point is 02:01:17 There's a couple of non-indie titles I've been playing like got a Kingdom Hearts right here playing out on stream. I've also been playing a lot of

Starting point is 02:01:29 dead cells as well dead cells dead cells is really fun and fucking hard um so every time basically dead cells a roguelite game and every time you beat the final boss, you unlock a harder difficulty up to like the fifth difficulty, which is stupidly hard. I've beaten the final boss twice now. So basically what happens when you beat the final boss is there's more enemies and you get less heals.

Starting point is 02:01:57 So before you beat the boss, you get full healed after every single area. Then after that, you get full healed after every couple of areas. Now I'm down to, you get one extra potion after each area. Which means the difficulty fucking gets higher. And then the bosses also have more health as well.

Starting point is 02:02:16 And it's fun. It's very fun. It's very similar in that respect to something like Hades. But, God, I enjoy that. I've been... So a couple of guys on my Discord have been trying to get me to play Celeste, which is a platform in the same vein as Super Meat Boy.

Starting point is 02:02:39 Yeah, I've wanted to play Celeste for the longest time. I just have never bought it. I'm considering playing it fairly soon, because it looks really cool. Yeah. That's, yeah, I really like Dead Cells. I haven't played it for, like, a long time. Oh, yeah, you actually have played Dead Cells, okay. Yeah, I've, like, I'll see how many hours I have.

Starting point is 02:02:58 I think I have, like, 20 hours or something. But I played it when it was still in beta. Ah. So it is a lot different than what it is now. Yeah, I've played 25 hours of it. I think I've played 43 with like 13 the past week.

Starting point is 02:03:19 Something like that. 11 played recently. It's really hard to find time to actually play games now. Oh, my God. You've played 364 hours of Adventure Catalyst. I am disgusted. Wait, me? Yes.

Starting point is 02:03:40 Oh. Oh, you're looking at my Steam profile. Are you okay? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Is that the game I've played the most of? Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:03:53 Okay, to be fair, I've probably left that game, like, on overnight many a time. I mean, yeah, you would have. It is Adventure Capitalist. But it's not the game I've played the most of. That would probably go to RuneScape. I wouldn't be surprised if that's in like the 2,000 or 3,000 hour mark.

Starting point is 02:04:17 I want to know the stats for my Minecraft and also for LittleBigPlanet. Because those would easily be my two most played games like i've never played little big planet it's it it was really good like i don't think many people play it anymore but especially number two was very amazing i that was like basically all I played when I got a PS3. Yeah, that's all I played until I got Minecraft and then that became the new obsession.

Starting point is 02:04:58 So, yeah. A little bit of a launch title for PS3, wasn't it? I don't know if it was a launch title or not. Anyway, just keep going with your show. I'm going to check. I was going to say, wait, my most played Steam game is Counter-Strike. I played 942 hours of that.

Starting point is 02:05:15 But I reckon, yeah, those two games would easily beat that. Hmm, maybe I was wrong. Okay. Okay. I thought it was. So, PlayStation 3 launch titles. Blast Factor, never heard of that one. Call of Duty 3.

Starting point is 02:05:38 This is such a shit lineup of games. No wonder the PS3 didn't sell at the start. Madden NFL 07. Mobile Suit Gundam Crossfire. That's actually a decent enough game. NBA 07 and also NBA 2K7. Are those different games? I have no idea.

Starting point is 02:06:01 Oh, Need for Speed Carbon. But that also came out on literally everything else. Resistance Fall of Man, Ridge Racer 7, Tony Hawk's Project 8, Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07, and Untold Legends Dark Kingdom. Wow, why did this console not sell well? It's a mystery. Wow, why did this console not sell well? It's a mystery. PS4 also didn't have, like, the best launch titles.

Starting point is 02:06:33 Well, yeah, it didn't have many exclusives. So, they only had Mac. That was one. That Killzone. Yeah, Killzone. We also had Assassin's Creed 4 Black Flag, which was on everything. Battlefield 4, also on everything. Blacklight Retribution,

Starting point is 02:06:49 which I don't think anyone ever played. The worst Call of Duty game ever made, Call of Duty Ghosts. Wow. Contrast, DC Universe Online, FIFA 14, Flower. Flower.

Starting point is 02:07:06 Flower's cool, but that was a PS3 game Is that the Is that by the same devs as Journey? Yeah Injustice Gods Among Us Ultimate Edition Here's a banger Just Dance 2014 Oh let's go

Starting point is 02:07:21 Nak I mentioned Lego Marvel Super Heroes. Madden NFL 25. NBA 2K14. Need for Speed Rivals, where the game started going into the shitter. Resogun. Sound Shapes. Super Motherload.

Starting point is 02:07:40 Trying To Complete Story. Trying To was already out on PC years ago. And Warframe, already also out years ago on PC. Wow, what a great lineup. PS5 at least has some cool stuff, like the new Spider-Man game for example. I mean, that's on the PS4 as well though. Right, but... It's gonna look better on PS5.

Starting point is 02:08:01 Yeah. I mean, like, Bloodborne, like, when did PS4 come out? 2014? Uh, 2013. November. It's close now.

Starting point is 02:08:14 Well, Bloodborne came out in 2015. I think that was the main seller for that. Yeah, yeah. I know it was for me, like,

Starting point is 02:08:23 yeah, Bloodborne was, like, reason why i got my playstation very good reason that game is amazing what did i buy i think yeah that was part of the reason i bought it also um i don't remember why else i've got a bunch of games on my shelf i don't remember what i bought when i bought the console um oh kingdom Kingdom Hearts 3. That had just come out when I wanted to buy the PS4. Fair enough. That's how long I waited

Starting point is 02:08:49 to buy a PS4. I don't know. I always tend to buy consoles towards the end of the generation. Like, in the case of the PS2, I didn't buy that one. That was a Christmas present. But that I got,

Starting point is 02:09:04 I think, like, two or so years before the PS3 came out. And then PS3 I bought, like, two years before the PS4 came out. Which is always kind of a good time to buy the console, to be honest. Because most of the good games are already out by that point. Yeah, exactly. Like, sure, you're going to have a lot of new titles that are gonna be exclusive on the next gen but there's so many games like especially the ps2 there's so many games to play that like do you need to play the newest stuff not really

Starting point is 02:09:38 i don't play multiplayer stuff yeah if you don't play multiplayer stuff you don, if you don't play multiplayer stuff, you don't actually need to worry about it. You can just experience those new games later on. I've got a copy of Nioh on my shelf that I have not played, and I've got a copy of Nier Automata that I still need to play. At some point, I'll get to them. I know they're very good games. I played the beta of Nioh but

Starting point is 02:10:06 I didn't really get into it that much. Yeah, I think it's just because I like Bloodborne so much. Yeah, fair enough. I actually haven't finished Bloodborne. I think I've only got like maybe two hours into that game. I was playing it like back when we were just getting into final year or something so I was starting to get busy I have I was looking at my saves because they have like how many hours you played on each

Starting point is 02:10:36 I think one of my saves has 200 plus hours and then like I have like a bunch of other ones that have like 40 to 60 Jesus That's too much that's just too much um secure is also a good game made by from software i really enjoyed that like it was a lot different from from bob Dark Souls, but I really enjoyed that, and I definitely want to play that again.

Starting point is 02:11:08 That's another game that I need to get around to at some point. It looks like a lot of fun. Like, everything I've seen about it just looks really cool. Yeah, the combat is, like, incredibly satisfying to play. Just, like, yeah, just deflecting hits and shit. It's just, like, because you have to have your timing so good and just, like, the sound design when you, like, reflect more is just, like, it's just, ugh.

Starting point is 02:11:41 Yeah. I can't even think of the last, probably the last time I played any of, like, the Souls time I played any of like the Soulsborne games or like yeah anything in like the Soulsborne franchise what really was that last two hours I played of Bloodborne I still haven't finished Dark Souls

Starting point is 02:11:55 3 either I like Dark Souls 3 but the settings were a little bit boring from what I've seen it doesn't capture the same magic yeah i could not finish two i just wasn't enjoying it um but yeah number three is good but it just doesn't have the same magic as the first one yeah like yeah there's just something so magical about the first one just like discovering this fucking weird place i think one did the best job at having a connected world

Starting point is 02:12:35 yeah two did a horrible job at it like there's this one video i don't know if i've shown you this video but um when you go you know how how it's that castle with, like, lava and stuff in it? Vaguely. Yeah, okay, I don't know if you got far enough, but the way the world was connected was really strange. So, you start in, like, this forest area, it's raining, and you walk through this cave that's, like, maybe 10 meters long. and you walk through this cave that's, like, maybe 10 meters long, and then the sky completely changes, every, like, all of the world just looks completely different. It's like, really?

Starting point is 02:13:14 Like, are you really just using this as, like, a loading screen, basically? Like, Dark Souls 1, it, like, you could go from the main hub area and go down to Blighttown, and if you leave Blighttown, you can make your way back up, and all the areas sort of naturally feed back into the main area. Yeah. Like, you know, the place with the big armored pig pig the first time you see one. Where there's the dragon on the bridge. Yeah, on Dead Berg. Yeah, yeah. At the end of that, when you go through the church,

Starting point is 02:13:53 you can open up the elevator and go back down to the starting area. Yeah, it's very cool. It looks like you've travelled so far away, but in reality, you're just really around the corner. Yeah, I love that. Speaking of loading screens, though, I did replay Jak and Daxter 1 a week or so ago. It was good fun, as always.

Starting point is 02:14:16 But that game was really cool for hiding its loading screens and having a world that's all connected. You can go from the start of the game to the end whenever you want yeah like the most of the hidden loading screens are hidden behind like a cut scene like when you go to um good misty islands yeah yeah that's like not even a cut scene though it's just like the way the camera focuses like you get in a boat and the camera focuses on the boat

Starting point is 02:14:49 so it can allow the rest of it to render in yeah I think most most of the Jack games no I think all of them actually

Starting point is 02:15:00 well with the exception of the weird ones ignoring Lost Frontier or Jack X those just didn't exist um jack x is fun but we'll ignore that one for now um yeah jack two and jack three especially jack three because you went between haven city and the desert place whatever Spargus? Yeah, Spargus. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:15:26 Like, it would use the... Like, the ride in the airship as, like, a loading screen for that. Or when you say... Actually, because that desert was massive. Yeah. There had to have been, like, hidden loading screens. I guess hidden ways to load stuff

Starting point is 02:15:46 there's a lot of mountains there so they could have definitely made use of those mountains to um load stuff behind yeah i like that it's something that i haven't seen in a long time hidden loading screens i think it just adds a lot for not, like, it's not really that big of a thing in terms of, like, the playing experience, but it just makes it feel better. I'd argue against that on the PS3 with, like, Skyrim, for example, with its five-minute loading screen in some cases. Oh, no. No, I'm saying I would prefer there to not be loading screens. It's less of an issue now because the next-gen consoles, I guess they're current-gen now, whatever.

Starting point is 02:16:35 The PS5 and Series X, they have mSATA drives, so they load basically instantly. Yeah. But because games are getting bigger and bigger it's still an issue in a lot of cases i mean it's still it is still a thing though because like take something for last of us uh or two or uncharted 4 i know they like very seamlessly blend the cut scene back into the gameplay which is really cool so they don't have that kind of loading screen unless you're going in between like the big

Starting point is 02:17:11 chapters we're now you actually can sort of do that now now that sort of like the in-engine stuff actually looks like what the actual gameplay does as well yeah you look at like you know the i don't know, I've been playing Kingdom Hearts, for example. Kingdom Hearts 1, it looks a little, it looks a little shit.

Starting point is 02:17:32 Aston Peaks Kingdom Hearts. A little bit dated. Granted, it is 19 years old. Quite a long time. Yeah, a little bit. But Final Fantasy is like even worse for it like the early

Starting point is 02:17:48 anything past like 7 7 especially because you know PS1 graphics well I don't know about you but I reckon I'm happy to to end it yeah we're good man um i was thinking of maybe ending at some point anyway um cool do you have a channel that you think you should go check out channel i've got one if you don't i I can do mine first Oh yeah, you go first I'm gonna say Go check out

Starting point is 02:18:28 DrK's channel Go check out HealthyGamerGG He is a Psychiatrist who Sort of focuses on A lot of He does his stuff on Twitch So he talks to a lot of Twitch streamers

Starting point is 02:18:43 And sort of goes to a lot of people's... Sort of like the issues they're having. Talks about a lot of the problems a lot of gamers sort of have when it comes to mental issues. Yeah. And yeah, he's got a really, really good channel. I highly recommend it.

Starting point is 02:19:05 Yeah. Very much recommend it. Yeah. Very much check it out. He also has a charity where... Yeah, he uses the charity to help people, which is cool. So if you like his stuff and you like what he wants to do, go support his charity as well.

Starting point is 02:19:20 As for you, do you have a... a one for yourself? Um... As for you, do you have a one for yourself? I guess sticking with alleged drug use. There's this channel that I've watched for the longest time. I really enjoy it. this channel that I've watched for the longest time. I really enjoy them. It's probably, like,

Starting point is 02:19:47 a good way to get introduced to, like, drugs that won't kill you. But, wait, I'll send a specific video to you. Mm-hmm, okay. Let me copy, please. But, um,

Starting point is 02:20:04 the channel name is psyched substance hello guys i might have mentioned him before channel okay but i um i enjoy his videos and the video i sent is very cool um it's like a pretty accurate visual representation of what it's like to not that I would know of course to try said substance that's in the title That sounds like a cool channel. I like it anyway. One second. Oh, okay. Yeah, no, I've seen a channel similar to this that... But they're just not doing stuff anymore.

Starting point is 02:20:56 I don't... I, like, never buy merch. But this is, like, the only channel I've ever bought merch from. It's, like, a... It's a hooded blanket with pockets and it has all different kinds of um psychedelic mushrooms on it oh that's great i love it but it's so soft and so nice but yeah i recommend him if you are interested in exploring illegal substances.

Starting point is 02:21:29 Well they might not be illegal where you are, they're illegal here. You could be in a... I honestly don't know if LSD is legal anywhere. I think it might be in some weird places in Europe. Um, but, anyway. it might be in some weird places in europe um but anyway i know mushrooms are becoming a medical thing slowly which is cool yeah for uh psd treatment psd ptsd yes ptsd and like other stuff um but mdma is is primarily used for for ptsd because of how good it makes you feel. Used in a clinical setting, like with a psychologist and stuff,

Starting point is 02:22:14 you can take that and think about your PTSD triggering things, and it kind of puts a new light onto them, which I think is really interesting. That's cool. It's been a while since I've heard about, since I've watched Joe Rogan's podcast, but I vaguely recall Joe Rogan talking about that. Yeah, he probably would have.

Starting point is 02:22:36 Joe Rogan. Have you tried DMT? That's crazy, man. It's entirely possible I haven't watched Joe since the podcast went on to Spotify yeah I don't I haven't really been listening

Starting point is 02:22:54 to many podcasts one second like um I used your solo episodes to fall asleep a couple times wow wow that's insulting but um uh there's uh there is a podcast that i haven't listened to in a while but I really enjoy called Duncan Trussell Family Hour. Oh, yeah, no. I do know about that one.

Starting point is 02:23:32 He's been on Joe Rogan a lot of times. His podcast is good. And I don't know if I've talked about Midnight Gospel. Yes, you have. Okay, yeah. So, so like the show is based off of those podcasts

Starting point is 02:23:47 Very nice to listen to if you're not in fucking Joe Rogan mood Yeah I don't listen to too many podcasts at this point. When I do I usually listen to like Sean Carroll's Mindscape

Starting point is 02:24:04 which is like a science podcast okay um yeah but I don't know I usually just listen to music when I'm out doing stuff now yeah same anyway I think that's where we're going to end it then

Starting point is 02:24:20 yeah uh where can people find you find my YouTube channel called CozHan or anywhere else I am just super CozMan

Starting point is 02:24:33 cool if you're listening to the audio version of this the video version is available on YouTube and Odyssey the audio version is available basically anywhere I have got my main channel, Brodie Robertson, where I do Linux videos. I have a gaming channel

Starting point is 02:24:50 called Brodie Robertson Plays where I livestream games twice a week. Also, I upload YouTube shorts, which I just clip out from the actual stream itself. Yeah, that should be pretty much everything I think. Anything else to say?

Starting point is 02:25:08 Hail our Lord Jeffrey Bezos. Jeffrey Bezos. I don't think anyone's ever called him Jeffrey Bezos. Jeffrey Bezos. Jeffrey Bezos.

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