Tech Over Tea - #82 A Rare "Linux Focused" Episode | The Linux Cast

Episode Date: September 22, 2021

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Good morning, good day, good evening. I'm, as always, your host, Brodie Robinson, and today we are back for episode 82 of Tech of a T, and today's guest, it's actually going to be a Linux podcast for once. It's rare, I know, sometimes it does happen. Welcome to the show, Matt from the Linux cast. How are you doing? I'm good, how are you doing? Yeah, I'm doing pretty good. I feel really weird. I've never been a guest on somebody else's podcast before. Usually I'm in the driver's seat. I'm trying to think, have I been on someone else's podcast before? I don't think I have been either. I don't know.

It was very interesting watching you have to go through the ordeal of OBS than I have to do it. It was kind of a relief. It was good to do it again. I have to make Tyler do that the next time. Yeah, it does definitely make me feel happy that i'm not the only one who ends up struggling with obs just being an absolute pain like i i hear some people saying they have a great experience with obs saying oh yeah this is so much better than i don't know what what what does anyone else use x split i guess maybe it's better maybe it is better than XSplit, but that's not a very high bar.

I don't think I've ever used XSplit, but I know that I watched like EposVox or whatever, he's like a wizard at OBS and like, huh, I wish I could do that. Yeah, I've been slowly learning like little neat touches you can do with OBS to make stuff a little bit more convenient, like I've got my my stream chat embedded in an OBS dock now, so when I open up OBS got my uh my stream chat embedded in an obs dock now so when i open up obs i have my stream chat just automatically opened and other little things like that that just make things somewhat more convenient but at the end of the day you still have the occasional problem where i don't know you'll one thing actually now you can't drag layers in OBS. You have to like use little arrows to move them I don't know if that's just my build of it, but I noticed that stuff. I started happening a little while ago The weirdest thing for me is that every I don't know other time it opens up all the transforms are just gone

for like Why I don't understand it's not as if I'm messing around with the config file or whatever. Like, the file's still there, so why is it gone? It doesn't make any sense to me. And then I have to spend the first, like, half an hour of a podcast or a video trying to redo it. It's just... Like, this just... it didn't happen. My favorite recent problem with OBS is I'm now using a virtual camera so I can have my camera sent to OBS and sent to Discord at the same time, basically just looping back the camera. OBS doesn't like this, though.

And inside of the properties where you select the webcam you want to use, I can't select my camera. So I've actually had to go into the config.json file and manually add in the path to my camera. Otherwise, it just will not work. And if I change it, I can't change it back without going back into the config file. Yeah, OBS and Discord do not like playing well together at all.

Especially if you use multiple workspaces like sometimes you switch away from a workspace and all of a sudden you go back and you realize your camera hasn't been recording for the last 10 minutes it's the dumbest thing i think with some window managers there's a way to like make that desktop not disappear or something you could probably hmm I have a I have an idea for a hack that it's not a good hack but I have an idea X render lets you make like fake virtual monitors so you could put that desktop on like a separate monitor but that though I would then break a bunch of other applications and yeah it's not a good solution what also I I have to the for one one one one thing's not a good solution. So I have two.

One thing's not a hack, but for whatever reason Arco Linux does fine. It never has the same problem, but every other distro I've ever tried has that issue. And I haven't tried that this works, but perhaps the tab functionality in several window managers, like you have the monocle mode, so you could put

all of them on one workspace, but you have them all fullle mode so you could put all all on one workspace but you have them all full screens to switch between them yeah i don't know if that would work or not but it'd be something to try i think if they're actually no i don't know i think it's going to depend on implementation yeah yeah that's what's so stupid about is it's different depending on what window manager you're using. Like, it shouldn't matter, because especially the ones that are all on Xorg, it's all Xorg. You're probably using PyCom across all of them. So, I mean, why does it matter?

It doesn't make any sense. But it's the difference between GNOME and KDE 2 and the floating window manager for desktop environments. It's really weird. But yeah, if you want to get into things acting strangely, we can spend an entire podcast just talking about how messed up the implementation of wayland is and how everything does things slightly differently we could spend we could spend two hours just

bitching about pipe or uh pulse audio and pipe wire and all that kind of stuff that'd be like uh welcome to matt and brody bitch about about Linux for the whole two hours. Well, it wouldn't be a bad show, to be honest. I don't do Linux episodes very often. Most of the time, it's just, I don't know, me ranting about my psychopathic housemate and video games. Do you know what?

It doesn't make a bad show anyway. I've watched a few of them. They're pretty good. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, I occasionally watch. I don't watch much Linux content. I make a lot of Linux videos.

So when I want to be in my spare time, I usually watch something very far removed from Linux. But occasionally I will watch a lot of your content. See, I watch everybody's Linux content because that's how I come up with ideas. How else am I supposed to copy everybody else if I don't watch their stuff? You'll get video ideas from Reddit, so you go to r slash Linux.

That's how. Why do that kind of work when DT and you guys do it for me? Yeah, that's fair. No, I've had a theory for a while about where, like, so I occasionally get comments because every YouTube is going to get these, saying, you're copying this person with this video.

You're, stop copying this person. My theory has almost been confirmed and I know where DT gets the video topics because he uploaded the video, I think, what, two days ago or something about um how his hardware doesn't work properly under linux now i know that's bullshit because he's been using linux perfectly fine this entire time but there was a top post on reddit two days ago with that like that exact same topic and i'm not saying that's a bad thing i do the exact

same thing but that's why like me and dt occasionally have like the exact same video topics because we both get ideas from reddit well it was better than i mean not to call anybody out but uh luke smith did his open bsd video and then the very next day mental outlaw did his open bsd they already have the whole thing where they think everybody thinks that mental BSD video and then the very next day Mental Outlaw did his open BSD video. That was really weird. They already have the whole thing where everybody thinks that Mental Outlaw is the deep fake version of Luke Smith, but that happens way too often with those two. I don't know what's going on there. It's just kind of hilarious.

4chan. That's hell. I'm going to reveal the value. you've already done it with saying that you just take other people's ideas but i'm gonna reveal the veil there's not a single youtuber that has original ideas ideas don't just pop out of thin air there's always some inspiration and a lot of the time the inspiration is going to be the exact same source so if like you know there's some popular topic like i don't know everyone was talking about the steam deck a little while ago or there was um there was stuff about like the

new surveillance bill in australia the reason why this stuff gets talked about is because everyone looked at the same sources to find their tops it's just whether we all pick the same things from it well i mean when you're talking about a subject like linux there's only so much you can talk about i mean that's why we all have systemd videos we all have things on you know pi com and pipewire and stuff i haven't actually done a video on systemd yet wait no i've done a video explaining what systemd is i haven't done a video talking about using it yet you did one about how it's not it maybe it wasn't you no i did do that yeah that one i did not an assist net system right yeah yeah which was also personal reddit post uh

basically just go to r slash link sort by top and you'll probably find my next video ideas actually i i have i have so many ideas written down though like i stuff from like like two years ago that i just never got around to because there's always like you you say there's like a limited number of topics but one way you can always have new stuff to talk about is just talk about the random new projects that people are making there's always like this is one of the great things about like open source software and free software there's always new things that people are making even if a lot of it is kind of not great like yeah there'll be a lot of those really cool projects that just come out of nowhere like the other day i did a video about uh the libre gaming script which was like setting up

your gaming environment um like stuff like that will pop up a lot of the time and a lot of the time there'll also be stuff that pushes it way down the list yeah i can't i don't even know if i've ever actually looked at r slash linux on on reddit i don't spend a lot of it a lot of it's yeah i don't i i've got my on my reddit feeds in uh like an rss feed reader but um yeah you're, you're not missing out on much. You'll get good topics. And then a lot of the other posts like, hey, here's this system that's running embedded Linux. Did you know that things run embedded Linux?

Wow, this is crazy. Let's do this post another hundred times. Oh, wow, look, it's a signboard in an airport running embedded Linux. Who would have thought? It's crazy. Like you say that and then I look right at one of those posts that says, hey I have a thin client running Linux. It was great.

So it's a combination of interesting topics, embedded Linux, and Linux is the best thing ever trying to get upvotes on Reddit. Like I love Linux. My first week on Linux, 4,000 upvotes. I just switched to Linux. Yep. And then the occasional post in there being like, Linux is worse than Windows, and it's like, tons of downvotes, tons of comments. That person just wants attention.

Or the person who says, uh, hello, I'm a uh windows uh wsl user like yeah you're gonna get a lot of upvotes yeah for sure on on r slash linux absolutely they are they they love wsl there that that's definitely the case should have its own subreddit then it could just be its own little community it probably does i mean everything right pretty much yeah pretty much everything has a subreddit so um let's see i've actually i do have topics here we we can't just talk about nothing the entire time but i do actually have topics uh i i don't really care either way um but let's just start somewhere somewhere very very obvious so what do you do on your channel oh i do a little bit of everything uh but i seem to have become known for doing racing videos uh those seem to be the ones

that are very popular that and i do the stupid distro reviews that every linux youtuber seems to have to do every once in a while because i don't know why people watch them but they're very popular um what i've decided what i've started to do is instead of doing that hey i'm going to install this next distro and tell you what apps are installed you know i've actually started yes i've started installing the distros on a hard drive and actually using them for a month and it's that seems to be more interesting at least for me because then i can i can get into the nitty-gritty. Like, I've never used Debian for any long amount of time.

So that was fun to do. But mostly I just do random Linux content. There's no one area that I try to focus on. I try to stay away from scripting, even though I kind of really like scripting, but that seems to be a little bit too niche. Yeah, that's what I found as well. Like, it's one thing to talk about... it's one thing to do a sort of look into a script, and another thing to actually be writing a script in a video. Like, I don't know how people make entertaining like programming content. i don't understand it you have to have a certain personality you know it's it's gotta then you you really have to be

good at it like i'm not good at it right that's another problem yeah talking and trying to program at the same time is very difficult and when you're like you know good enough uh i'm sure you know this like when you're good enough it's uh it's not good enough to be talking at the same time they're lucky i can do many things and talk at the same time it's programming or scripting and it's just not one of those things that i can do very well so i like i done a couple streams where i did a script and those are are just, you know, me scripting. I've never talked to the chat at all because it's just going to mess with my head way too much. Yeah, that's the problem I had.

I did a stream where I was programming a Python bot, and I didn't get anything done because I was talking to the chat a lot of the time. And when I'm talking to the chat, I can't think about the problem. And then if I'm thinking about the problem, then people aren't going to watch the stream because it's not entertaining some people can make it work absolutely but i i'm not one of those people this the stream problem the chat problem is even even worse because the thing with programming and

scripting and stuff like that is that there's so many different ways you can do stuff and everybody has their own way of doing things and of course everyone in the linux chat thinks that their way is the best way of doing something so you end up going down to a very deep rabbit hole of hey maybe this is the way to call a function oh is that a different way to call an array oh cool you know it's you're never anything done as much as you love linux chat If you just want to spend an entire stream getting nothing done, get into a discussion about the best way to print a formatted string in Python. There is

at least eight ways that I know about. There's just too many ways to print a formatted string. You only need one's enough, but Python's it adds, like it had a printf and, it adds, like, it had a print f, and then it had another method, now it has f strings, and there's, like, libraries to do the same thing, it's a mess of a language, but, hey, if you can make it work, I, I, I like, I like it

when someone can, it, it gives me, it gives me inspiration to try to improve upon it myself. And try to make more entertaining streams. Even when I'm not just like, you know, being super high energy all the time. Like, that's one of the things I try to... I kind of struggle with in streaming. Like, I'm always just trying to be like that that energetic streamer rather than i don't know like there's other ways you can keep people engaged with if you know what i mean yeah well half the time so the few so i've done a stream every sunday since

march this would be this actually be the first time i've missed one um but i've run out of topics it's my problem for streams. Like, like, so I've done a few racing ones. I've done a couple of ones where I've done a couple of scripts and then I did the few gaming ones that I've done. Uh, and you know, they're fun, but most of the time I either just spend, you know, chatting with the chat or doing the thing i'm doing online uh the thing i don't get is like i watch your gaming channel and you have a phenomenal way of playing the game fairly well and reading comments like i can't do it at the same time like there's no way i can like every once in a while i'll look away and oh i'm dead like i've been shot again i shouldn't look at the chat uh okay the way that i do that is um

i have my chat right next to my screen like as close as i can get it to my main screen so i can always just peek slightly over that's that's how i go about that but i don't know mine's all the way across on a second monitor so maybe I give that a try yeah I used to have it like way like I've got I've got three monitors but we ignore my glorified teleprompter um

I used to have it on the monitor like off to my side here and when I did that like I basically never read chat or if I did I would have that exact same problem I would look away and then either would I have to never read chat or if I did I would have that exact same problem I would look away and then either would I've to pause the game or I would die Also, it kind of helps a lot of the games I play I Don't have to be paying attention the entire time. I know Celeste is a bit of a different situation where it's like a

You know difficult platformer, but if I'm playing something like Spyro or I'm just running through the world in like Ender Lilies or something, I can sort of look away for a bit and it's not a big deal. I think it probably hurts me because I'm not a good gamer. So just at any discretion,

it's just going to make it, you know, 100 times worse. Yeah, yeah. Really bad, maybe. I, well, before I started streaming, I hadn't really played many games for like a good three or four years. So for a bit, I was definitely rusty there. But I feel like as of late, like that,

I still think I'm not great. Like I'm certainly not awful, but I'm not great. But I've gotten back into the swing of it where I can sort of manage that attention a bit more. I do notice that when I'm not streaming, though, I would, I think the idea that when you're doing something on camera, it is at least two times as hard is probably pretty accurate. Like, when I'm off stream and I'm playing, like, I don't know, Hades or something, I am considerably better at that game than I am on stream. Like, no matter what I do, even if I'm just paying attention to the game and not, like, caring about chat, I think it's

having the camera pointed at me and having the lights on and all of this stuff going on to make it the stream, it does something, it does something to your attention, I guess. Well, and there's the pressure of people watching you. Yeah, the pressure to actually play the game well or be entertaining in some way. Well, I mean, because if you're browsing along on YouTube, you're going through the YouTube gaming lists, which I don't even know anybody, does anybody do that?

But you go through those and you click on something your expectation as a viewer is to that that person who's doing the gamer gaming at least knows how to play the game uh you click on my stream and that expectation is immediately you're immediately disappointed because this guy doesn't know what he's doing i mean it's like he's mashing the controller down it's my my number one role in first person shooters is spray and pray that's the way it goes that's uh that's one thing i also avoid with streams i i cannot play fps games on stream i think they take way too much attention to actually do well. I was playing through whatever

the new Doom is. Not Eternal, the new start of the series. Is it 2018? 2017? Whatever year that Doom came out. Someone's going to correct me in the comments. I'm sure. When I was playing that, I could not look at chat.

If I took my attention away from the game for one moment, I would be dead. Especially because I was playing that, I could not look at chat. If I took my attention away from the game for one moment, I would be dead. And especially because I was playing one of the harder difficulties as well. It just, I just couldn't manage that. Or RTS games, I think, have the same problem for me as programming does, where it takes way too much brain power

to actually get through that game, and I just can't make an entertaining stream from it. It doesn't help that I'm not good at those games either yeah the only see my the games that i mostly enjoy are kind of like the civilization strategy games things and also city builders like i like city builders a lot like uh the problem is city better builders don't don't like linux a lot like city skylines will run on lin will run on Linux and has a native binary or whatever, but it crashes all the time. And that's without adding on any of the really cool mods. So you watch City Skylines YouTubers, and they have all these awesome traffic mods and stuff that does just amazing things to build your city and you

install that on Linux and it immediately sets fire to your computer. It's horrible. At one point, I was playing that game and it was taking up like 37 gigabytes of memory. That's how bad it is. No matter

how much memory you have in your system, that thing will automatically take half of it it's ridiculous I can't say I've ever played like a city builder I know I don't like RTS games and I assume that like my problems with RTS games would be

extended into the city building stuff I don't have a brain for like planning out like a town or anything like that it's just not the way I and I find that really boring to play as well I get why it's popular but I just I like, I have a dumb

monkey brain, I like to hit things with a sword hitting things with a sword is fun It definitely can be, I think my interest in city builders probably came from like playing sim city 2000 in school or whatever i mean like everybody's old enough to do that is was always attached to those kind of things um so yeah yeah i guess that that makes sense because i i sort of started

playing games with like kingdom hearts and stuff like that so So it makes sense. Like that's sort of where my, I guess, nostalgia lies. Good way to put it. I mean, when you start off playing Mario, your career in gaming is going to eventually return to Mario. Yeah, that's right. I mean, that's why Mario doesn't go away. It's not as if these new, you know, the little kitties are out there saying,

oh, I want to play Mario. I mean, probably Pokemon, but most of the, like, Nintendo gaming community for Mario is going to be old-timers, people who played Mario on the old consoles and stuff. Well, it does help that Nintendo just puts out good games. Yeah, I mean, they definitely seem to. The thing with their consoles is

they had the whole TikTok, like Microsoft TikTok thing, where they had a really good console, and then they had a crappy console, and a really good console. I think that's why they've decided just, you know, we made the Switch. Everybody likes the Switch. We're never doing another console. Ever. We'll just doing another console. Ever.

We'll just continue to sell this one until you fools keep spending $300 on it forever and ever. Do you want to buy a new Switch that is the same Switch but with an LLE screen? You know you're going to do it. I mean, they pulled the traditional console makers thing

where they made the thing where it was heavy and did a lot of stuff, and then they made a light version. So it's like the PlayStation 3 and then the PlayStation Slim. PlayStation 4 and the PlayStation Slim. That's the way they do it. So it obviously makes them a ton of money.

Mm-hmm. I have no idea what Switch sales numbers look like but i i can't imagine they're slowing down i know they sped up over the past like two years just because everyone wanted a uh everyone wanted something to do well there is that go out right at the beginning of pandemic they were selling for like six hundred dollars It was ridiculous. Switch sales numbers. Just $600? Jesus. Okay. Apparently, as of August,

it has sold 89 million hardware units. Jeez. And then there's been 632 million software sales for it. And half of those are Zelda. Surely can't be too far off.

When it first came out, that Zelda game just was... I mean, everybody was talking about it. You couldn't walk around the corner without somebody talking about the Zelda game. And then it was Mario. The new Mario Kart had just come out at that time. And then they had the Mario... Was it Mario Party? I don't even remember.

Probably. It was one of Nintendo's traditional, you know, IPs. I've been meaning to buy a Switch for a while, but I just... There's been nothing... I usually buy a game for like a very small number of core games that I want to play. And I've been waiting for those games to come out. So I've, and at this point, like there's been nothing that's like really grabbed my attention.

Obviously, there's like really great games on the Switch. Like Breath of the Wild's a great game. Mario Odyssey's a great game. But I like my JRPGs. And I've been waiting for, like, a couple that really, really catch my attention that I can't play, like, anywhere else. Because if it's going to be on, like, if it's going to be on, like, my PS4 or it's going to be on PC, like, there's no point buying another console for that. I don't really care too much about, like, the portability thing. that i don't really care too much about like the the portability thing i usually play games like at my desk the last handheld console i had was a nintendo ds so i haven't really been like into

handheld stuff for a while but ps vita for me and i use that for one of the few people yeah i'd like for like 10 minutes and and God, the interface was so bad. It was just so bad. I mean, oh. It was like the GNOME people decided to put together a handheld. It was really bad. The thing about the Switch is that

if you played Mario before, I mean, this is the way I look at it, I mean, yes, they're different games, but it's still Mario. Right? I mean, it's basically... I mean, people are going to look at it I mean yes they're different games but it's still Mario right I mean it's basically I mean people are going to hate me for saying that but you know I I don't get it like why

like I played Mario I don't need to play it again it's the same reason why Pokemon lost interest to me back when I was much younger they released a new Pokemon game with different colors like once every three months. But it was the same game. I mean,

the least they could have done was try to incorporate some of the storylines and stuff like that. But for the most part, they didn't even do that. It was just, oh, there's 30 new Pokemon to catch.

You know, whatever. Well, that's why the newer games have always had some mechanical gimmick i think until like it wasn't until like i think fifth or sixth gen when they started doing that where it's like let's have dynamaxes let's have mega revolution let's have some other thing and that's like zed moves as well in like sun Moon. Now they have some mechanical gimmick

that is specific to that generation, which is supposed to keep people interested rather than just, hey, here is the same cycle every time. You get your starter, you go do the eight gym badges, you go do the Elite Four. Now there's something along the way

that keeps it different because at its core, most of the Pokemon games really... You're right. They are, like, the same game fundamentally. I will make an argument in the case of Mario. And that is there is a big distinction between, like, the 2D Mario games and the 3D Mario games. And I feel like 3D Mario is where, like, the interesting stuff tends to happen.

And I feel like 3D Mario is where the interesting stuff tends to happen. Yeah, the last good Mario game that I've ever played, beginning to end, was Mario 64. Like, 20 years ago. But yeah, that game was fantastic, because at that point there had actually never been a 3D Mario before. It was all 2D before that. And that's why the N64 was like like that was that was the console you had it was so good i would argue that's probably the best console ever made but just because simply was the one where you

really did i mean prior to that everything was it just basically the same was a side scrolling thing or every once in a while even like duck hunter or whatever was basically side scrolling it was just single camera but what and then you had the n64 were like oh my god we have like it was like the first introduction of full world gaming it was kind of awesome so was the what was your first console was the n64 was64? Was it before that? No, I had like a... So I vaguely remember us having one of the Atari systems. Like one of the original Atari systems. But I don't remember.

I mean, that was super young. And then we got like, I'm going to say it was the SNES. And we played that for a long time. But the N64 was my first like brand new console that i really remember uh and i still have that thing it's still around here somewhere it's one of those things where it's not gonna get rid of it because it's really good yeah i thought i have a tv to hook it up to damn yeah you couldn't you can get like um like converter boxes that like upscale stuff to hd now so you could get it working on modern tvs it's just if you don't use those like converted

magical hd upscale boxes the games become sort of unplayable on modern screens because of the way that uh the console actually works connected to something new. Yeah, there's a port of one of the original Sonic games on Steam. And it was one of those Steam sales where you got, hey, it's free for the whole weekend. Just go download it or whatever. And I download it. It's like it showed up on the screen in 4.3.

There was black bars. Like, this is the worst port I've ever seen. Like, come on. At least change the aspect ratio. Come on.3. There was black bars. This is the worst port I've ever seen. Come on. At least change the aspect ratio. Try. Now I know it was free. I just realized I have Discord notifications enabled, so someone might have just heard that. Let me see if I can just mute that.

Mute server? Can I just mute everything? How do I do this? Oh, God. I'm going to just mute everything? How do I do this? Oh, God. Okay, I'm going to just mute the ones that I know are probably going to make noise. That's annoying. Shit. Okay, I don't actually...

Okay, well, people are just going to have to deal with the noise. That's fine. I should have dealt with that before. I apologize for the Discord pings that might happen then. For me, my first console was the um was the ps2 uh i was born in 98 i yeah um i had a ps2 when i was i think it was towards the end of its life cycle actually i've been i've been kind of weird with consoles i've always bought it or i've either bought it or been given it a year or two before

the next-gen console came out. I got the PS3... God, when did the PS4 come out? I think I got it a few years before that. PS4 came out in... Wikipedia, tell me.

I think I probably got it in 2011 or something because PS4 came out in 2013 which is, one of the nice things about getting a console that late is a lot of the games that you were going to be good on that generation are already out by

that point, it's not like you have to wait for some interesting title to come out and you can get them cheap right i mean yeah it's it's it's gonna be like some bundle yeah like or if you get lucky you can go to like a garage sale or uh whatever and say oh that kid no longer plays that can i buy all the games for like i don't know 50 bucks yeah i mean grand like 90 of those games you're never going to play like you know because they're like uh uh you know we sports or something and you bought a ps4 and you can't even play it but uh you know you might get a gem or

something like that if you buy a console new you have to spend like 90 a game like like okay so i'm not a gamer i've never like i was more of a gamer 10 years ago and it seems as i get older i become less and less of a gamer but even when i was i played console games like my last console was the 360 that was the last one i bought and even at that point i refused to spend 70 for a game it's just i'm never ever going to get $70 worth of play out of the game. It's just, that's not, but the funny thing is, is that I will get on the phone and play a mobile game and spend a lot of money. Oh, you're one of those people, are you? Well, I mean, not so much anymore, but i used to be quite i mean quite bad like

clash of clans was the the game i played for a long time i knew there had to be someone that played that game well there's a lot of people it's very competitive but it's uh the oh man it's so stupid do we need to have any intervention well not no see not anymore because i'm very bored with it um okay did Did your bank account run out? Well, see, the stupid thing about buying that kind of stuff, spending money on those kind of games, is that eventually you are going to get bored with it. I mean, it's just inevitable. So any money that you spend in it is going to be a complete utter waste of any coin that

you have because eventually at least when you're physical like downloadable content that adds like extra stuff to the game yeah this did nothing this just makes you have a higher level town hall you know right it's so dumb uh but i mean whatever i've always been a free-to-play player with any of like the mobile games which means i have the other problem where eventually you'll hit a paywall where you either have to play some insane number of hours to get some new level some new drop or there's the cash shop do you want the cash it's very attractive to go into Hearthstone and, you know... Oh, yeah, Hearthstone's really bad for it. You go into Hearthstone and, you know,

you're going with good intentions, and you're going to be... Like, I'm 100% free to play. That's all I'm going to do. I'm not going to spend any money. And then you realize that every three games you win, you only get 100 coins. And in order to buy any amount of cards,

you have to, to like have thousands and thousands of coins yep like and it doesn't help that you watch like the twitch streamers that do that game and every time they get the every time there's a new release of new cards uh they get all the cards yeah you know they're just being given the cards but like you see oh man these are really cool cards i gotta have some of those of course you're gonna spend some coin I know it's it's just well they can also just do it a stream where they'll just buy like two or three hundred packs and then make the money back in tips mm-hmm I like it's like watching Muda are there in a stream earning ten dollars every five seconds

mm-hmm and stream yeah like yeah I can't do that i don't have that kind of money because they put spend like $50 for 10 packs of cards like at least when you had like a physical card you actually had the card yeah you know like you're going to go into the local grocery store you can buy a pack of you know baseball cards or pokemon cards you had the card yeah uh they've even changed magic the gathering to you know to the digital form and you now you spend now you don't have the cards anymore i guess we can still get the cards but yeah there's also going to be digital play as well yeah um i i was never really into like card games as a kid i got a yugioh base pack i got a pokemon base pack i never got any booster packs so any cards i wanted outside of that i would have to trade for them i would either i'd

trade cards or i'd trade my lunch or something like that i think the only trading card game like physical that i ever got into was pokemon but that was like the early days when like the tv show was just it just like just started yeah yeah um so and even then i don't think i like i maybe got like 10 packs or something like and i think i probably bought them all at the same time and i was never good at you know trading things with other people because those are my cards you can't have them. I'm not going to trade them. So I don't think as a kid I ever really got the point of trading card games because I didn't want to trade anything.

I just wanted the cards. I was very selfish as a kid. I have a cousin who got really into collecting Pokemon cards. I think she has a complete base set now, which looking at like how ridiculously expensive Pokemon cards have gotten, how- have you- have you paid any attention to like the- the game collector space? Because it's gotten stupid. I know that like the- like the cartridges for like the old Mario games like that can really sell for a lot of money.

Especially if they're unopened. Yeah, it's... Okay, now that... Back in July, a copy of Super Mario sold for $1.5 million. Well, in its defense, at least you actually have the cartridge. It's not like an NFT. That's fair, yeah.

That is a fair point. Yeah, NFTs, uh, that... I thought that was going to, like, that trend was going to die down quicker. Oh, did you see? I don't know who it is i'm not paying any attention to like the names or whatever but somebody bought like a like a really expensive

nft and then they're selling like 475 tickets to actually see the nft like in person it was on the verge the other day i was like wait no i didn't see that one see if i can if I can... If I can find... If you can find that, that sounds amazing. Wait. You can now buy a $475 NFT ticket to see Beeple's 69... Call it 69 million. 69 million LFT at an IRL party.

What the hell? What is... What is this? They have to have some way to earn that money back, I guess. But I don't think you're going to make the whole 69 million dollars back. It's so dumb. Ah.

Yeah. Yeah. You might struggle a little bit. Well, I think the NFTs were invented to just prove the old saying fools and their money are simparded

true and correct I don't think you could show me a single ok so the idea behind NFTs is probably a good one like being able to sell digital art and stuff like if you're an artist or whatever and you it would be able to sell digital art and stuff like like if you're an artist or whatever and you want to be able to sell exactly one copy of something

and be able to transfer that ownership over somebody yeah that is the one good use case that i can i can think of it because it's the only one but the the problem is is that it's been uh you know stolen by the rest of the cryptocurrency community and for stupid things like uh the digital animal things that are going around and uh the the sports the nba even got into where they're selling like uh five minute clips of like games, and you didn't own anything. You had no ownership over that at all. They still owned the copyright. You just had a token that you probably paid way, way too much for, and you literally got nothing.

I mean, you received nothing for that transaction, other than the ability to get on Twitter and say, hey, my name is Logan Paul. I i spent six hundred thousand dollars on something stupid you know congratulations i'm an idiot who has too much money well okay i will i'll give logan paul uh of what's the word um i'll let him have that okay because in his case he actually will make back the six hundred thousand dollars because he'll just start up his own project and start selling crypto animals then he would have it's personalities like that who have the ability to because they have such a vast audience someone in their audience is going to be – how do I say this nicely? Yeah, stupid enough to buy that from them for even more money.

But it's going to be the little guys that are going to spend – for whatever reason, they have that amount of money, which is – I mean, first of all, where did you get $69 million to actually spend on something? I mean, I know it's cryptocurrency. You're a Bitcoin investor. That's how. It has to be that way, right? Normal people don't have $69 million to spend on stupid... If I had $69 million,

you're never going to see my fat ass again. I'm leaving, man. I'm not going to spend it on something like a GIF. I mean, that'd be... Why are people so stupid? I don't understand. It makes me want to cry.

It's just like, we're doomed as an entire species because NFTs are just gonna... Like, I'm convinced because of NFTs, we have no hopes of solving climate change or COVID or any of this stuff. We have no chance of it. By the way, I just said the C word, so you're probably now going to get demonetized. I'm not monetized on this channel anyway. Solving climate change or COVID or any of this stuff, we have no chance of it. By the way, I just said the C word, so you're probably now going to get demonetized.

I'm not monetizing this channel anyway. Okay. I'm going to make money on Odyssey. It's all good. But we have no chance of solving any of those problems because if we're so stupid that a good chunk of us will spend money on this kind of stuff, we have no hope. None at all like it's every time i say and you're right because you said that you expected to be like a fad like it was just that's what i thought it'd be here for a little while and then it'd go away it's not going away like no like i don't like they could die down for a couple weeks and then uh somebody like

logan paul will come out say hey i spent all this money on something, and it will become a big phase again. Or this guy is sending $475 tickets to see his NFT, which he spent $60,000 billion on. I don't know. It's so bad. I think the best hope we have is that people realize that all of this nonsense NFT stuff doesn't matter and is actually worthless. And all that's left over at the end is a niche community of people that care about digital art. That is the... Like, I don't want NFTs to go away completely.

I just would like all of these scams to go away. That would be lovely like i want people to start realizing that buying a a photoshopped elephant and butterfly together is a scam and you shouldn't do that uh but if you want to go buy i don't know um a digital i don't know you want to go buy a digital painting of tux, and you want to sell that. That's fine. I think that's a perfectly valid use case. The problem with the digital art use case though, is it's still not recognized as ownership. You can download that NFT. You can just download the JPEG. You don't actually own anything still.

You can say you own, like, the token to it, but without actually having... Without the token also transferring the actual ownership rights of that image, it still really doesn't mean anything. Yeah, it feels like NFTs are missing a component of some kind of legal transfer, right? And maybe that would have, come into existence maybe it even does exist and we you know we just don't know it but uh maybe that would

have came into existence if it hadn't all been you know bogarted by you know all these morons but i think that i think i think it all kind of i mean without going into too much into the cryptocurrency nonsense uh the whole cryptocurrency sphere is always going to have this kind of bad leave the bad taste in everybody's mouth until there's some kind of i mean the whole point behind cryptocurrency was to get away from regulation and stuff like that. But the only way to get rid of all the scamming stuff is going to have regulation. So it's going to be a really catch-22 for people. Well, what I hope...

It's going to be hard. What I hope is that we have sort of like a dot-com bubble with the crypto world where everything basically just collapses into nothing. And then slowly it builds back up to where we are now. That's what i can hope where it's so bad and there are so many scam projects that it just crumbles in its own weight and people realize people are going to have to because the scam stuff would have to go through and do that and it would have to be like mainstream like it had to be crumbled because of the scam stuff would have to go through and do that. And it would have to be mainstream.

It had to be crumbled because of the scam stuff. And then it had to be covered on NBC Nightly News. Because, oh, the cryptocurrency world has collapsed because of all the scams. Yeah, yeah. And it had to be like... Like catfishing and stuff like that has become mainstream. Because people people you know all the stories and stuff has kind of gone into the mainstream media a lot of the scams now are

very much very you know for cryptocurrency just aren't widespread enough for people to know that's why people still get caught right yeah yeah it's gonna i don't know it's gonna take something i'm smarter people than me are gonna have to figure it out i guess that's why i just i'm just So it's going to take something. Smarter people than me are going to have to figure it out, I guess. That's why I just... Somebody said, Matt, why don't you invest in cryptocurrency? Well, first of all, you have to have at least some money to invest in cryptocurrency. But also, you have to be willing to be very okay with how cryptocurrency fluctuates up and down and there's no predictability at all at least if you buy into the stock market you know that it's going to go up and down but there's some

predictability there there are some people who have you know computer models or whatever they say what the thing's going to do nobody i mean uh brian lunduk left odyssey and then the next day lbcs were worthless you know like if one person can affect an entire coin that badly uh i don't know if i want to get into it because what happens if logan paul comes out and says that all cryptocurrency is stupid and then all of a sudden cryptocurrency is terrible again you know it's i don't it feels well we can already see that elon musk has the ability to manipulate the price of like how okay so i don't know if you know the story about uh with elon musk and tesla he's not allowed to talk about tesla on his twitter without having it approved by like a board of people because he

has openly manipulated the Tesla stock in the past saying things like Tesla's gonna be taken private or Tesla stock is too high valued and it just massively fluctuates the price. So he's not allowed to talk about Tesla without having this approved. At least he shouldn't be but he does anyway, because he's Elon Musk. He doesn't give a shit. Um, he don't care, but he like, if you're watching the, like the early stuff with like him talking about Bitcoin and talking about Dogecoin, every time he would tweet the price would indicate whatever he says. If he says I'm selling my Bitcoin price drops, if he If he says, Tesla is now accepting Bitcoin. Massive fluctuation. He has way too much,

way too much influence in how the market is going to go. I don't know why people still take him seriously and don't realize why he's not trolling them. Because I've pointed this out in the past. Like the reason why he does this is because just before he tweets he either buys or sells like he is openly manipulating the market and no one cares yeah no no you know

that guy is really i mean okay so he's obviously very very intelligent right when he first came into like when he first became really popular and tesla was starting up and stuff like that everyone had so much hope. Like, oh, this guy is like the next Steve Jobs or the next Einstein or something. I don't know. He's going to solve so many of our problems. And for a while that happened.

And then he transitioned into the internet's biggest troll. You know? When you have that much money, you don't have to care. Like, you don't have to care. Like you don't have to be like a Jeff Bezos or something like that and trying to make yourself richer. You could just, like Elon doesn't need to work a day for the rest of his life. He doesn't care.

Well, it reminds me of that. So there was like those 13 guys that were stuck in a cave or something like Indonesia or whatever. And Elon was like, well, I'm going to build this awesome submarine. That's going to go get them, but it's going to take like two months to do.

Okay. Cause you're not going to build anything fast. And they were out like the next day or something like that. Like the whole situation was like, it felt like he was doing that just because he wanted his name or whatever to be associated with that, whatever. But I don't

we got into we have transitioned through a whole bunch of topics haven't we we have and we can end off elon by saying elon doesn't care he's gonna shoot a car into space and you don't like look do you know anyone else who said they're gonna shoot a car into space and then actually did it no you don't that's because elon musk is the only one who's rich enough and crazy enough to do it the the best story about elon over the last year was the day before richard branson went into space or whatever he said that elon musk showed up in his kitchen at three o'clock in the morning just like randomly in the morning like you imagine going into going into you're walking to your kitchen at three o'clock in the morning like oh hi elon how you doing and you know he's probably going through the refrigerator hey you

got any mustard in here oh god yeah um okay let's actually you know let's let's somehow segue back into linux did you i don't know why people were freaking out about this but did you see um people freaking out because one uh one flavor of manjaro decided they were going to start shipping with vivaldi people were saying manjaro is now dropping Firefox, but that just isn't what happened at all. Yeah, I... It was like on every technology blog that

kind of covers Linux, but they don't really ever read into what actually is happening. Like, the Register does this a lot, ZDNet does it a lot, where they have to have that awesome headline that's going to grab people's attention. And, yeah, Register does this a lot. ZDNet does it a lot. Where they have to have that awesome headline that's going to grab people's attention. And, yeah,

I saw that. Like, no. Now it would be news if actual Manjaro switched to Vivalli. And it wouldn't surprise me because remember a couple years ago where they were switching away from LibreOffice to go to a proprietary version of OpenOffice or something like that?

How long ago was that? A couple years ago. It might have been before I was around. They decided to switch away from LibreOffice to go to OpenOffice, which is proprietary. And the entire Linux community just kind of flipped their shit and In the end they end up now if you install manjar you get a choice between yeah open office and labor office That's the reason why that's there because they were just going to switch

And that was the main like Manjaro if they decided to go to the Valdi which wouldn't surprise me it would be even huge news but would it though i mean it's gonna make the the foss bros very angry people who are just so so invested into into foss that you know any deviation from like i switched to edge and lost 50 subscribers you know it's like like it's gonna be those guys are pissed off but no okay no stop stop for a second why did you switch to edge there's so many good browsers why edge okay so uh edge is okay god i don't want to be that guy who defends a microsoft project but i'm going to uh it has it's like it renders web pages properly which which sometimes Firefox doesn't do. Sure, okay. So it doesn't have the weird stuff that Brave's done. For whatever reason, Brave always comes across as elucidating me.

I don't know why. It's just really weird. Maybe it's the cryptocurrency stuff. Maybe it's the download bar at the bottom. But Microsoft seems to have taken edge and added in some stuff that's really good. So they integrated vertical tabs which actually work uh they integrated a coupon clipper that's like like i know you can get these things in in extensions but they're built in they don't have to have uh at least if somebody's going to steal my information i know it's going to

microsoft it's not going to some random plugin-generated guy on wherever. So, that's why I switched to Edge because it had some cool stuff. I'm back on Firefox now because Edge is in beta and they delete everything every time you do an update, which is the dumbest thing ever.

But the week or so I was on it i really liked it but you can get all that stuff in other browsers so my if people were to switch to vivol just to bring it back to the topic we're talking about um i don't i mean people are people would get really upset because it's not open source but it wouldn't bother me um because at least when it comes to browsers like maybe i used to care but now i just want it to work you know i mean the problem with firefox so often is that it doesn't work like there's like a few websites that won't render properly uh half the time google docs justs doesn't work in Firefox for whatever reason.

They're so focused on changing things. Every five versions, you get a new update, and it has an entirely different UI. They moved the account settings in version 90. It used to be in the drop-down, like the hamburger menu. Now, it's a menu inside of a menu and in order to actually sync things between that and mobile you have to go find this stuff i mean why would you move this stuff i don't understand i on a couple videos i've talked uh about how I don't understand. Mozilla gets $400 million from Google every, what, 10 years or something like that?

It's a bit quicker than that. But yeah, they're basically a Google sub-brand. Yeah. So they get all this money. And first of all, good for you. Google gives you $400 million. I'm not going to complain. It's $500, actually. I think it misses $100 million. Whatever. I don't care. Congratulations. You you $400 million. I'm not going to complain. Whatever.

Whatever. I don't care. Congratulations. You got $500 million. Good for you. Do something with that other than give your CEO all this money. Did you know that Mozilla employs 800 people

and the only product they actually have is Firefox. They have other things. No one uses them. Okay, so they have a VPN. No, they don't. They don't actually have a VPN. It's a rebranded version

of somebody else's VPN. It would have been impressive if they actually had a VPN. Oh, an open source VPN that's run by the Mozilla Corporation? Sign me up. Is that what they had? No, of course that's not what they had. They have a rebranded thing that somebody went into the source code and changed the name, you know, of what the VPN was, you know?

It's, I mean, it's that kind of thing that just makes me so angry about Mozilla. Okay, so I'm looking at Mozilla's website right now. Here are the Mozilla products. We have Firefox. We have Firefox for Android. Firefox for iOS, which isn't actually Firefox. That's actually just a web kit with a skin. Firefox for Enterprise.

Firefox Lite. Firefox Lite. Firefox Reality. That's a web browser for virtual reality headsets. I didn't know they had that one, actually. Mozilla VPN. Firefox Private Network. That's... Wait, what?

Oh, that's... Wait, what? Mozilla VPN Firefox private network. Browse securely on private Wi-Fi using a Firefox add-on. Oh, I guess that might be a browser plugin for their VPN. Okay, fair enough. Firefox lockwise, that is a password manager. Firefox Screenshot Go is a screenshot app for mobile

because you don't have the ability to just press these two buttons and screenshots. Mozilla Hubs, which is a virtual reality conferencing thing. It's jank as hell. I love it. Firefox for Amazon devices.

Firefox Focus. And then, objectively, the best Mozilla product ever made thunderbird i thought thunderbird had been split off from from i thought that as well but they still have it listed here that's really weird uh the one thing i noticed you said in every single one thing list is firefox was in the name of every single one of those things you listed so really they i was right they only have one product, which is Firefox.

And then they've gone through and, uh, uh, you know, they have a few extensions. Thunderbird is basically Firefox as well. So yeah. Yeah.

Well, at least with Vivaldi, they've gone through and integrated their email client into the browser. I mean, we can make the argument. That's not a good thing. Cause that makes your browser heavier. And if you're going to use like a separate email client and I

Don't think the volley cares about how heavy their browser is because they are Their UI is so I mean Kudos for giving out the user a ton of options and stuff like that But man is it can it be really slow sometimes like oh man i want to i like i'd love to like i'd love to use vivaldi because it has all those options like i can get vertical tabs i don't have to use something from microsoft in order to get them uh but it's just slow man because they've baked so much stuff into it yeah that, that's the problem that I found when I used... I used to use Vivaldi back when I was on Windows. And then when I first switched over to Linux.

I like Vivaldi. It's a great browser. But you're absolutely right. Like, the UI is insanely customizable. That's the reason why I started using it. Because you can do... Obviously, Firefox is very customizable as well the problem with Firefox though is you customize it through the CSS file and that's also like

Legacy support maybe removed at some point and they break it like every time they do a major update. Yeah. Yeah like I update yeah yeah like i i like what vivaldi's doing but i also like being able to have my web browser open while i play a video game and not have it eat up my entire system resources yeah browsers tend to for whatever reason it feels like vivaldi was built on electron sometimes because like you install the thing and turn it on and all of a sudden it feels like vivalli was built on electron sometimes because like you install the thing and turn it on and all of a sudden it sounds like you're in an airport because all your fans are running like why does my computer sound like it's on fire so here's a question for you do you think that the switch the manjaro cinnamon switch to vivalli heralds a change for actual Manjaro. Do you think that they're

actually going to follow through with that? I think that if people are happy with it, I think that's a possibility. So do you think that the Manjaro Cinnamon guys were just, uh, you know, this was just something they did, or do you think

it was the flagship guys saying, hey, let's do a test balloon on a desktop environment that nobody actually uses, you know, this was just something they did, or do you think it was the flagship guy saying, hey, let's do a test balloon on a desktop environment that nobody actually uses, you know? Unless you're, I mean, if you're going to use Cinnamon, you're using Linux Mint, let's just be honest. Yeah, yeah, that's fair. I mean, you don't go to Manjaro to use Cinnamon, you go to Manjaro to use KDE or something.

Yeah, yeah, okay, that's fair. That's actually a good question i i don't know what like you know the connection between those two teams actually is like so i i think it'd be it's hard for me to make any assessment on on whether that would be the case but i think that i think that if this is popular it might see it you might see a trend of different distros actually trying out different things. Obviously, when you ship with Gnome, you'll have like, you know,

what's the Gnome browser called? It's called Web. It's Gnome Web. Yeah. Elm entry OS has the same thing called, but it's called Epiphany. It's garbage. It's so bad.

Obviously, you have those ones but right now when a distro ships with like a browser it's generally shipping with firefox but this might lead to a trend i don't think it's going to lead to a trend of swapping to vivoldi but you might see some distros try out Brave or try out something else like that. And the problem with trying out... I know, obviously, Vivaldi is half-proprietary, but I think Brave might be more controversial just because of its crypto stuff. I think it would be more accepting of Vivaldi.

Even though you definitely would have that contention there because it's not completely FOSS, having the crypto stuff there just looks a little sketchier yeah if you're if a distro is going to try brave they would have to find a way to hide that crypto stuff so it's just an option in the background well you can't disable it what that would probably do is disable it by default i would assume yeah i mean you'd almost have to but i mean because when you first open up just a standard stock version of brave one of the first things it does is tell you about that i mean that's yeah yeah one of the first thing it does um and you know that's fine for if you've explicitly installed brave and you know what

you're doing but if if that became the default browser on ubuntu that would cause a lot of problems because i know like installing on my father's computer, he uses Ubuntu. He'd be like, what's cryptocurrency? First of all, what's bad? I mean, it confused the hell out of a ton of people. And something you said earlier just kind of freaked me out. just kind of freaked me out because what if instead of saying uh you know katie ninon or ubuntu one of the flavors of ubuntu instead of saying we're gonna uh ship brave or firefox revolty instead we're gonna make our default browser gnome web or epiphany or conqueror

you can remember conquer i mean that thing thing still exists. So instead of having a mainline browser, instead we're going to have several distro-specific browsers that don't render 90% of the web and have weird features that you don't need and are just

really weird. Because Conqueror was also like a file manager at one point, but it's also like a web... Yeah yeah that is a weird one yeah the thing is it's still being developed like the KD Plasma guys they don't abandon anything like those guys I don't know

where they're getting all the development like manpower but they have like 5000 projects for Plasma and that's probably lowballing it just a little bit but they have like 5,000 projects for Plasma. And that's probably low-balling it just a little bit, but I mean, they just have a ton of projects for Plasma. And every single one of them seems to get updates every once in a while.

There's somebody out there working on a cute version of Conker, which is a web browser that absolutely, I swear to God, nobody uses that web browser. I mean, nobody does nobody does i mean it comes pre-installed like if you install like kd plasma on arch from like the repositories you're probably going to get conquer installed by default because you're getting all the k k apps right uh but nobody's gonna use i mean i mean nobody uses that right But nobody's gonna use that, right? Okay, in Brody's comments below, anybody who uses Conqueror, let them know, because I want to see, I want to have a con- We gotta get you on the podcast, because you're gonna be the only person- There's going to be at least one weird person.

Like, no, there's not, please no. That thing has to have like serious, serious, I mean, it can't be secure, right? Does it even support SSL? I mean... If I have a Plan 9 user in my Discord, I'm sure there's going to be someone who uses Conqueror. The thing is, I'm convinced that the Plan 9 user in your Discord is the same Plan 9 user that's in every Linux Discord. I wouldn't be surprised.

His name is either Joshua Lee or it's Peter. I don't know. Peter is the Gentoo guy, the guy who's trying to get every Linux YouTuber to install Gentoo. And the hilarious thing is he succeeded. He got both DistroTube, you, and me, all of us, to install Gentoo. It was absolutely hilarious. Don't tell us we won't

pander to the chat. We'll do it. Look, if I make a Gentoo stream that doubles my stream viewers, sure, I'll do it. Why not? To this day, the Gentoo stream where I failed to install Gentoo, like I did not succeed. Like I didn't even...

The VM froze, and that's where i stopped streaming after three hours is the highest view counted stream that i have by far like it has at least four or five hundred more views than the closest one and it it boggles my i mean people still i mean people still watch it like i i put in the video description linux noob fails to install gen 2 and people still watch it like all right so you've successfully installed gen 2 explain to me why people want to use gen 2 because i don't understand it like i understand that gen 2 has some pre-compiled binders. Like, you can install Firefox-bin or whatever, and you don't have to go through and compile Firefox. But if you're just going to use the pre...

Because every time I argue, like, I don't want to spend time compiling all this stuff. The argument against that was like, well, it has pre-compiled binders. In which case, why would I want to use a source-based distro? Because if I'm already just going to use the binaries, I mean, it doesn't make any sense to me. The purpose of using Gentoo, from my experience, or from my perspective, is to compile all your stuff so you can put the stuff in the kernel that you want to put in the kernel

and put stuff in certain applications the way you want to do it but that stuff takes time i mean it takes a ton of time i don't i don't i am not the person to ask i run arch i have no idea why anyone goes out of their way to use gen2 i guess because it's very lightweight like it doesn't install anything for you i guess that's probably it. If you want to build something up from scratch, but you don't want to go that, like, that little bit extra step and just do LFS. Right, but Arch doesn't install anything for you

other than the kernel. I mean... Well, really, Arch does have, like, you know, base and base devel, and you'll get a lot of stuff that you're probably never going to use. Right, but you have to... I I mean you have to install those things but you don't have to compile them yeah because I mean you're gonna have to install make at some point if you want to you know do anything I

mean you might as well install that package that has make in it mm-hmm and you have to install network manager but you don't have to compile Network Manager. Why would you want to compile Network Manager? Literally, sudo pacman-cadblast network manager, whatever it is. And it's done in like five seconds. It's not three hours long. It continually boggles my mind because it doesn't matter what the topic of my video is. There's always one guy, or usually it's through the streams, but there's always a person in that stream.

This doesn't look like a Gen 2 install. Of course it doesn't look like a Gen 2 install. I'm not installing Gen 2. So what I did is I trolled everybody. I set a Patreon goal of $350, which is miles and away past what I have right now. And I said, if I get to this Patreon goal, I'll install Gentoo again. And like I said, I set it so far beyond that it's going to be years before I get there. So I'm safe.

Like this way I can say, well, you know what? You want me to install Gentoo? Go support me on Patreon. Such a troll. It's going to happen. So I'm safe. Like this way I can say, well, you want to know what? You want me to install Gentoo? Go support me on Patreon. I'm such a troll. It's going to happen. There's a couple of people out there in the Linux world who have a lot of money. And there's going to be one of them who gives you $350 for one month just to get you to do it.

Well, in that case, I'll take the $350. I will go install Gentoo, I guess, guess i suppose but i won't be happy about it um but i i will do it i will i will i've promised but maybe i should have said it higher is what i'm thinking oh man gen 2 there's the llfs guys out there too right like there's there's always one thing well if you're gonna install gen, you might as well install LFS. Like, first of all, does anybody actually still install LFS? I don't know if there's anyone

who unironically runs LFS. If people just use it as like an educational tool. I will be doing an LFS series very soon. So I expect some fun comments from that telling me how I'm doing a ton of stuff wrong. Oh, that's another one with the Gentoo stream. Every time you do anything, I expect some fun comments from that telling me how I'm doing a ton of stuff wrong. Oh, that's another one with the Gentoo stream. Every time you do anything when you're installing Gentoo,

someone's there to tell you you're doing it wrong. Even if you're following word for word what the install guide says. I installed a binary kernel and someone said, no, you're doing it wrong. You didn't compile the kernel yourself. It literally says in the install guide i can use a binary kernel piss off i don't care you really want to get them started choose system d as the the the iso that you download because that's what i did is because of the the general iso is open rc right yeah and like i don't know anything about open rc so and i know system d

so i was like you know i'm'm going to install the SystemD one. Nobody's going to care about which, you know, whatever I'm using. And the comm is like, why are you using SystemD? It's completely different. The wiki doesn't even cover SystemD. Like, I give up. I'm going to go back to Arch, where it doesn't matter. It uses SystemD. I don't care.

The five times a year I have to go SystemCTL enable or whatever in order to start a service, I'm happy with that, and then I forget SystemD exists. That's my level of interaction with the init system of SystemD. It's like everything on you're right like everything you can't do anything right on gen 2 because it's like programming we're coming full circle yes there's 12 different ways of installing gen 2 uh and they're all wrong to somebody. Yup. Really bad. Unless you spend the entire stream going through, like, compiler flags, you've done something wrong. Well, I got to the point where I actually put in use flags in that stream. Oh, there was one thing I did during that.

There's one part where it gets you to write a zero. I put a capital O because the font they have on the Gen 2 wiki looks exactly the same. And I tried to run it and I was like, why is... I think I was trying to boot up Xorg or something. Like, why is Xorg not booting? What is going on? The thing is with the use flags is that everyone has different use flags. So there was like nine people in the chat, and every single one of them was telling me,

Hey, use these use flags. Like, okay, I'll do those. My stupid thing was at one point I just said, fine, I'm not going to follow the wiki anymore. I'm going to follow the people in the chat. And the thing is, they're all taking me in different directions. And then we wonder why at the end of the stream the virtual machine just crashed i think the only used flag that everyone could agree on is setting like the number of threads to be using just set it to as high as you can use otherwise like don't set it to one if you set it to one we're going to

be here literally all week as long as you don't do that we're good yeah i think i gave the vm like four cores or whatever and then i never enabled that flag because it took forever and like i said it crashed and by that point i was had been streaming for three and a half hours and yeah yeah like an hour and a half is like my stream like i'm very consistent around an hour and a half after that i'm done like i just want to i want to get out of here i need to get away from the internet for just a little while because it always drives me crazy right uh and that that one had gone on for three and a half hours like i can't go any longer like like i need to i i need water i need to get out of the chair to like move around or something

if i do end up doing gentoo i'm doing it at the standing desk oh i didn't even notice the standing desk back there yeah i have a standing desk back there and i will do it from there because that at least then i can you know move around or something i don't know yeah um yeah so yeah i would love to have a standing desk i just don't have room um this is as far back as my chair goes don't do what i did okay so i i have a fairly small room here like i have a bed in this room too so um what i did is because i have an oak desk right and this oak desk is like 20 years old it weighs 3 000 pounds um and it does not move like like there's no moving this thing so i couldn't go through and replace this desk because

what would i do with it i mean nobody's gonna buy a an oak desk that has damage to it firewood yes well i mean it's it's the it's still a good desk it still holds things okay yeah i mean it does its job but i wanted a standing desk so what i did is i got an amazon and you know search standing desk because amazon standing desk sure yeah and it's like 110 bucks or something like that wow the thing is is it doesn't go up and down. It just, it's just a standing desk. So now I, now I have two desks

in my room in this, I think it's like a 14 by 14 room and it just sits there. Like I use it, but it just takes up space

and you can't put it down. It'd be so cool if like the keyboard tray or whatever folded down so it took up less space but i don't think that they thought of that i think maybe that was the 200 version or something i don't know it was really i don't know just don't don't do that get take your oak desk out and do what brody says burn the damn thing because firewood, uh, and get one of those nice ones that go up and down, because that's, that guy, I want that so bad, but, oh, yeah, I, I wouldn't

really care about getting rid of my desk, this is something I got from Ikea, uh, for whatever the cheapest I could get, it's a big desk, but it's, it's a, it's, it's made of, it's made of, I, I can't even confirm that it's made of wood, to be honest. I'm not sure what it's made of. Sawdust. Maybe... Potacle board, maybe? Like, I have a...

But, yeah, when I get rid of this desk, I don't care. I did have a nice desk when I was younger. There's, like, an office store near me that used to sell this really nice black stained glass desk. It was also tempered glass, and the glass was like at least an inch thick. And that thing, like you could put, I think it was rated to hold something like 100 kilos or something, which is more than a desk needs to hold, absolutely.

But that thing was such a nice desk. I really hate that I got rid of it. For no other reason, I've been planning on doing my, like, redo my setup. Because I have two monitors, but I want a third monitor. Like, desperately want a third monitor. And, I mean, I say that to, like, my parents or whatever, like, see my setup or whatever. Like, and they go, hey, you got those really big screens. Why do you need a third monitor? Because I use them.

I would love to be able to have my browser on one and then Audacity on the other and OBS in one place. And then we don't have to deal with OBS forgetting things and not recording stuff. But there's just no room on this desk.

It's just the 27-inch monitors take up the whole space. So I would love just no room on this desk it's just the 27 inch monitors take up the whole space so i would love to get rid of this desk get rid of that desk just getting rid of all the desks and then get like a corner desk in this thing like it's so i get three monitors that'd be so nice and they're not even expensive like if you go on amazon because again that's the only place that you could buy things, right? You can get a reversible L-Desk for like $150. It's not going to be good. I mean, I'm sure it's going to break like five minutes after you bought it.

But it turns out furniture is cheap sometimes. Sometimes. If it's not made out of oak, if it's just made out of, like, aluminum. Or particle board. Or particle board. You know, it's fairly cheap. But my problem is, I don't want to get rid of the firewood. I'm kind of attached to this desk. Like, it has a hutch or whatever, and it has a shelf, and it's got all this stuff.

You know, it's a nice desk and i just i don't want to get rid of it so i'm stuck between wanting more space and not wanting to get rid of the desk that has storage in it um so it's that it's i don't know that third monitor is going to happen one of these days even if i have to get rid of the hutch and just mount the the monitor above these two. That's possible. You know, I see like you go to like the, you get on Instagram or something, or you get on Twitter and people are always tweeting out pictures of their setups. And you always have, you know, they have these five monitor setups and they have things up there.

Like a huge TV above their monitors or whatever. It sounds like such a good idea, but I think my neck hurts. Why does my neck hurt? You know? I don't know. It's really weird. My setup is purely practicality. If I post a picture of this, this would not be a good picture.

So the stand I've got for my camera is I couldn't find something that would fit my setup. So I got my stepdad to make me something. It is two pieces of aluminum pipe bolted together in, like, that, in, like, an L shape. So it can, like, sit across to where I need it to be. I've got one of my lights clamped to it with, like, a cheap clamp. I've got my other light over here with another clamp attached like a microphone arm this microphone arm is like ten dollars with a i don't the six hundred dollar mic attached to it um ignoring that um but like i have not done any cable management or anything it's just everything here works it's not great but it works. It's not great, but it works.

The microphone arm thing makes me laugh, because this thing here... So, this... arm... Came with... that microphone back there. I don't know if you can see it. Wait, wait, can you move that arm forward just slightly a little bit? I think I know- Is that the same arm I have? It may be, it- Like that top- It can't- Does it have little knobs? yeah i think i think that's

the same one it came with that microphone that microphone was like 30 bucks uh so this thing yeah it probably is it definitely does not is not meant to hold a 400 mic from heil it definitely is not what mic is that this is the PR-40. It's atrocious. Don't buy it. It's really bad. In order to actually get good sound out of it, you have to go and do a whole bunch of EQ and stuff. It's not great. I bought it because Leo Laporte uses it.

I mean, because obviously a big podcaster uses the Heil PR-40. Obviously, it has to be good, right? It's not good. Now, if I were buying it, I've had this mic for 10 years, so it's not good now if i were buying i've had this mic for 10 years so it's not a big deal i've got my money out of it um if i were buying a new mic today that was this cost i would buy that one that you have now you just got that mic right yes i just bought my shore sm7b a couple uh about a week or so ago how are you probably going to do a video on it so i don't want to your video, but how do you like it?

Is it good? It's beautiful. I love this mic. The only problem... Okay. Without getting too much into details, the one problem this mic has is very difficult to drive.

I have got my mixer maxed out right now. If we put it back to where I had it set for my old mic, you probably can't hear me now. It's very soft. Yeah. That's the biggest problem with the Shure. It is an insanely difficult mic to drive, but it sounds really nice.

Yeah, you almost have to get a cloud lifter in order to get it. I've got one on order. Yeah. Which makes me depressed. It's a little lonely. It's like, no one's on this set up. This needs, yeah, I know. This thing here needs a cloud lifter too, because right now I have the gang cranked all the way up, just like, I'm not even gonna

touch it because I have it where you can actually hear me. I go up there, I touch it, you'll never hear me again. Because it took me ages to get to this point uh the problem is i don't know if i want to invest in a cloud lifter until i can change this microphone because i want to change the microphone like i'm getting sick of having to go into audacity every time i do a video and just eq the crap out of it because there's no base to it whatsoever. It makes me sound like I talk like a,

like a Oompa Loompa, you know, it's really bad. I mean, it's not, it's not as bad. Excuse me. It's not as bad through like discord for,

because discord compresses the crap out of everything anyways. So it's not a bet, but if you're just recording it raw audio to Audacity, it sounds really, really high pitched. Like I swear I went through puberty. I mean, at some point in the last 35 years, my voice broke and I went through puberty. Like I remember it happening. Uh, but this microphone would swear that I was still 12 years old.

It's really bad. Uh, and I don't understand because you watch YouTube videos like Podcastage and... Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a great channel. Yeah. I mean, there's a whole bunch of those. Tom Buck, I think his name. They like,

oh, this microphone's perfectly fine. Oh, wait. You didn't watch EposVox's video then. The Hail TR40 is a legendary disappointment. Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of YouTubers out there that really don't like this. But there's one guy out there who does... He does Audacity tutorials or whatever.

How to make yourself sound great in Audacity. And you watch that thing. And he has a Heil PR40. And he has this amazing British accent, right? Ah, there's the problem. The British accent makes every mic sound good. I know. He does before and he does after.

I can't get... I mean, I do exactly that thing. I can never make this mic sound that good. And granted, you're right. I don't have that accent as much as I would have tried. I was like, maybe it's a good idea to do a British accent, but no, that's not a good idea. You don't want me to do that. That would be horrible.

It's just, you know, I can't make this mic sound good. I've tried every tutorial on the internet to make it sound good from a raw recording, and it's just not there. So I don't understand i mean granted i don't have a mixer all i have is a an audio interface what are you what are you using for that one focus rate solo okay um and you know it's fine uh but it sounds like this microphone's not great now i have a rode a Rode Podmark. Rode up the... I can't talk anymore. I have a Rode Podmic back there, too. That was about $100.

And you watch YouTube videos of people who have Rode Podmics, and they sound amazing. Like, they got rich, full sound. I plug that thing in, I sound like crap. So, I'm beginning to think it's not the mic. It's probably just my voice. Maybe's probably just my voice

maybe maybe it's just my voice i i could spend a thousand i could get one of those uh those neumann uh microphones that are like seven thousand dollars and that i'd probably still sound exactly like this uh and yeah that would be worse than all my Clash of Clans money combined. That's one of the problems with looking at micro-reviews. You sort of have to find someone that has a similar voice range to you. It wouldn't be very helpful if someone with like a deep British accent was watching some like, I don't know, some chick from California reviewing a mic. Like their voices are completely different. And while you can obviously get an objective idea of how the mic should sound, it doesn't really relate to how it's going to sound with your specific voice.

Yeah, that's a good point. The low voice was a really good point because Eposvox has that really low voice. He reviewed that Razer microphone that's like $75. Yeah, yeah. It sounded amazing, but it wasn't the mic that sounded amazing. He's like a 75 yeah yeah it's not it sounded amazing but it wasn't the mic to sound amazing he just has a fantastic voice like i don't like i'm a youtuber but i'm never gonna have that voice you can't change it unfortunately you can't you just you can't well you can always just like put it on you can try to like put it on new accent and see what happens uh what you can okay so what we're ranting

about mics there's a a podcast for a football team over here that that i cheer for it's the philadelphia eagles and they do an after game podcast and the one of the hosts has a blue yeti and i swear to god nobody on the internet that isn't in audio knows how to use a Blue Yeti. And I swear to God, nobody on the internet that isn't in audio knows how to use a Blue Yeti. They all have them pointed at their mouths like this. And like, I don't think,

like the Blue Yeti is not a front address microphone. It's just not. It's a side address microphone. It would be like if I recorded with the Shure like this. Like this is not how you record. This probably sounds horrendous.

But you can't go into the chat of a podcast that has nothing to do with microphones and tell them that they're using their microphone wrong. You sound like an arrogant douchebag. Oh, no. Now the mic's pointed the wrong direction. Okay, now we're good. Cool. Yeah, yeah, I know the feeling.

It's just you can't... Okay, the problem with the Blue Yeti is when you open the box, it has a diagram of how the mic should be used. There's no excuses. I got it. Holding this up to the camera. Blue Yeti. I got it. Holding this up to the camera. Blue Yeti. I have all the microphones.

All of them. The problem with the Blue Yeti is that it has all of these little icons on the knob. And nobody knows what those icons... No, no. Here's the thing. Yeah, those. I think that every single YouTuber, every single one of us, no matter what your topic, probably could...

If you're a YouTuber, go to your closet because you have one of these. Everyone does. Every single person has bought one of these things because you want to know what? They're cheap. Okay? You don't need an audio interface you don't need nothing uh one argument i'll make for that is they were cheap back when they first came out nowadays things like the pod mic are a much better deal yeah i totally agree but people still buy this because it has a reputation it does of being cheap. Also, this thing doubles really good as an intruder attached because you could beat somebody over the head with this thing.

It weighs 12 pounds. It's built like a tank. I mean, even the pod mic isn't built this well. And it doesn't come with a stand. So, I mean, with this thing, pop onto your desk, plug in a micro USB, which is just like micro USB. What are we? It was, it's 1990.

Um, mini, mini B, not micro mini. Yeah. I can never remember which, which is which they have. Micro is the one that actually was popular. Um, either way. All right. Yeah. Anyway, yes.

We don't want to get into that. Cause we had a, i had a camera that had like a really weird like stupid anyways you know you plug that in sit on your desk and you're good to go you're podcasting uh you start bumping your desk and you can hear every single tap let's just hope you don't have uh you know blue switches in your keyboard because you're all of those that's specifically i don't like mechanical keyboards in the first place, but like that's one of the nice things about having a Scissors which keyboard they are very quiet like I can just sit here and tie it You can't hear it it's great

Yeah, I am a big mechanical keyboard guy I collect collect them so uh but i try to go for the silent ones so we probably could do a test here you probably are going to hear it because it is and this has reds in it and they're not lubed or anything it's just stock yeah yeah because i haven't gone crazy into the custom mech keyboard because it's just too expensive you can just go you can do crazy stuff i mean all this i mean just all the stuff you can find on youtube for keyboards and stuff like here's what a 1200 keyboard sounds like first of all like i like keyboards but i'm not gonna spend 1200 in a key i'm just like you can buy a computer for that that's too expensive First of all, I like keyboards, but I'm not going to spend $1,200 on a keyboard.

You can buy a computer for that. That's too expensive. You might be struggling nowadays. You used to be able to buy a computer for that. But the point still stands. Yeah, yeah. $1,200 for a keyboard is too much for a keyboard. But, oh, it sounds so good, man.

It sounds so good. But mechanical keyboards are those kind of things where either you like them or you don't like them. You're either that kind of guy or you're not that kind of guy. And you're never going to cross between them. I mean, you'll use a mechanical keyboard because you have to if you're not that kind of guy. But you're going to be running back to the scissor switch or the membrane keyboard there's a few really low profile um mechanical switches i do have a slight interest in but like the reason why i like switches is because i was on a laptop for so long i didn't have a desktop probably for like seven years or so so that entire time i was just using a laptop and i got very used to

having very very low profile switches i don't understand okay so i don't understand the apple keyboard people i wait do you do you mean the new apple keyboard or the older one any of them the like okay now i know people i know all know all the people who use the Apple keyboard stuff that have never owned a Mac in their life. They just bought the keyboard because it's an Apple keyboard. It's a great keyboard. Is it, though? It is. It's a really great keyboard.

Why, though? I don't understand. It's probably awful if you don't like scissor switches, but it is one of the most well-constructed scissor switch keyboards out there. So they never switched to, like, the butterfly switches on those? No, people who like butterfly switches are just wrong. Anyone who likes those is just a moron. But the older scissor switch keyboards,

like you'd have on, like, the 2012 iMacs, or, like, the older scissors switch keyboards like you'd have on like the 2012 iMacs or like the older Mac laptops, those were great. The new ones where it's like they have a millimeter of travel that break if you get like a hair in them. Those are awful. I don't know anyone likes those. The first thing I do when I have a laptop is plug a keyboard into it because there's not a single laptop keyboard that I like, whether it's made by Apple or HP or whoever. I have a Dell back here. First thing I did to it is plug in a $149 mechanical keyboard into it.

It has blue switches on it. I can't stand laptop keyboards. now i can use them like they're fine i can type fast on them um at least the older ones for whatever reason you buy a laptop keyboard nowadays it has a numpad on the side of it if you buy anything over like a 14 inch laptop you're getting a numpad whether you like it or not and i i who i mean unless you have a specific use case getting a numpad, whether you like it or not. And I, I, I, who, I mean, unless you have a specific use case for a numpad,

like using macros to change an OBS. Yes. That is the, that is why I did use it. But you want to know what? Six. I don't know. Again,

I don't know if you can, you probably can't see this because it's has RGB on it, but $40 on Amazon. It has 23 keys on it. That's what I use for macros i don't need an uh an attached uh numpad for anything and i never ever will and the problem the problem with them on keyboards or on laptops is you can't remove that shit you're stuck with it forever and ever and it switches it moves everything to the left or yeah to the left and that means you i mean you're gonna get used to that but you have to get used to it you know

now i i suppose i could understand if uh you like this the swizzer the swizzer we might just i can't talk for today let's see If you can't like the scissors... If you like the scissors... This is me recording a video. I'll spend the next 10 minutes trying to... You know what I'm talking about. If you like those kind of keyboards, that's where I go. The Apple keyboard, just buying it by a separate...

Do they even have any other manufacturers of those? Does Logitech make a scissor switch keyboard? I don't even know. The one I've got is from Cherry from cherry this is a really nice keyboard um yeah that the the travel there would drive me bonkers yeah the travel is uh very tiny i would say it's probably in the range of maybe a bit under a centimeter. All right. So this here. Half a centimeter?

Well, we're comparing keyboards. This here is a iKey Unix Lime 80. And it's about $200. And it has hot swap switches. And it is atrocious. It does not like linux at all um for whatever reason this keyboard here as good as it sounds and as good as it feels and as fast as i can type on it it disconnects like every three days so i have a crappy usbc cable here that i plug in

and i'll use it on the usb-c cable for like three days and then all of a sudden it will stop working just randomly like i'm trying to switch to a different tag in dwm and it uh won't go like the half the keys will work the super key will not work i don't understand so i unplug it i change to the wireless version the mode, and it will work for three days. And then it stops working. So I plug back to the USB-C thing. I mean, this has gone

from a, hey, I really like mechanical keyboards to this mechanical keyboard sucks, but yeah, I don't understand my luck with technology apparently, because sometimes things... The funny thing is, this $40 piece of trash from Amazon, which is literally...

I mean, these keycaps are literally, like, paper thin. I mean, they're so bad. This thing works all the time. You can't break this thing. Like, I could chuck this thing across the wall, and the keycaps won't even come off okay can't even get the keycaps off this thing's built like a tank and it keeps working but this thing $200 it's crap yeah yeah okay with my last keyboard, I did have... I did have a slight problem with it where

some of the keys just stopped registering after a while. Like, that's the problem you get... Okay, this is sort of the other problem. Like, with mechanical keyboards, a lot of them get really fancy and don't work properly under Linux. Scissors switches are generally fairly basic and will work on anything. They're also not... A lot of them aren't built very well, which is another problem,

where maybe a key will feel very different from another key. Like, this is one of the problems with getting a scissor switch keyboard. There's only a few out there that are actually good. The Cherry is a really, really, I forgot what the exact name was, Cherry Stream? Yeah, Cherry Stream, one of the few keyboards that's actually really good, but other ones, like the last one I had, the Cougar Vantar, it also had a weird, okay, it also was a gaming keyboard, where it had an extra key that if you press I think that key and then then W it would swap WASD and your arrow keys around and the problem is that it was right next to my super key so I would occasionally hit it and flip everything around and stuff would just stop working I was very confused the first time it happened. i have a lenovo like a really old lenovo laptop and it has usually the function key at least on ansi keyboards is on the right hand side

on that lenovo the function key is on the left hand side and it's right next to the super key so i was pressing the function key all the time on that laptop and that's the laptop i use when i like go out in the world you know back when we could go out in the world remember those days that was fun time yeah we're gonna we're gonna be telling our kids uh yeah we used to be able to go outside to cafes and libraries um but anyways so i don't plug a keyboard into that one, and it has a really stupid layout. It's just so dumb. Like, every keyboard has three buttons on the left-hand side, four buttons on the right-hand side. Unless you're dealing with a non-standard layout, right?

Yeah, yeah. Like, this one here has three on both sides and then arrow keys because it's a 75% layout. Right, right, right. But on a full-size keyboard, that's pretty much what you have. And for whatever reason, laptop manufacturers like to mess around with that layout a lot. For no reason. It makes no sense to me. And all it does is, it's like they had to move it around because they got the little nubbin in there or whatever

but i mean everybody proclaims high like oh uh lenovo makes the best laptop keyboards and they have for 20 years like i don't see it like their layout is weird to me and those little the weird like divots or whatever they have in their keycaps are weird. They just don't fit my fingers. But the nipple... I never understood that. I don't either. I think... I think it was...

I think it's a generational thing. Lenovo and IBMm like made those lap made laptops like popular like that was before like dell existed it was before it was back when gateway still had stores um you were like five years old uh you know it was at that time, and everybody, if you wanted a laptop that was six inches thick, and you had a nipple on it. And maybe it's that generation. But the thing is, is even somebody who's, you know, was born in the 80s and got their first computer in the year 2000 when Gateway had stores, I didn't have a laptop. I didn't own a laptop until like

2007 or 2008 um that was when i first got my first laptop prior to that i had a gateway computer that came in 27 boxes i shit you not uh it was hilarious because it did it even came it came with a microphone like one of those those pointer microphones that had a base. Right, right. And that was my computer for ages. It went from Windows 98 to Windows Me to Windows 2000 to... I might switch those around. Then Windows XP.

I don't think it ever saw... You know what? It did see Vista. It ran it like crap. That's the reason why I got rid of that computer. Because I thought it was the computer's problem. Turns out Vista was just terrible. Oh, no, Vista's great. It just came out five years too early.

It just needed too much RAM. It needed more RAM. Because at that point, you could only have two gigabytes of RAM because that was all Intel's platform with support was two gigabytes. Or maybe not support. They probably would have went up more but you can actually buy more because i think if 32-bit cpus theoretically support up to four gigs i believe it might be eight something like that but whether you get your hands on it is another question well then at that point nobody upgraded their computers i mean i mean nobody upgrades their computer

nowadays but it was even more rare back then yeah yeah mainly because it was dangerous to get in there because the power supplies and stuff like that weren't like the safety paradigms they were not now i mean you go into a computer like years ago, you're risking your life. You know, it's not great. So, yeah, I don't know. Anyways, I didn't have a laptop until that point. And it was a, you remember the white Apple MacBooks? They were like $900.

Yeah, I do. I had one in high school. Everyone had one. Because that was the laptop you bought. Apple also did subsidies for schools as well. That's why they had a stranglehold over it. You could go to the university store, and it wasn't $900, it was $700.

Plus, you could put some of your financial aid or whatever towards it. And that was the laptop everybody bought. And that was my first laptop that i ever owned um and man i love that thing that was so good uh it was my first experience it was okay so that's not that's a lie that was not my first experience with mac os my first experience was in like elementary school with uh one of the first macs but ah okay yeah we had, I think we had XP systems when I was in primary school. When we went to, by the time I made it to, like, I went to start school in that weird transitionary, whatever, can't say words. Words are hard. I know the feeling.

Yeah, that transition period where they were transitioning from Macs to Windows computers. It was the Windows 95 era. It was where Windows decided to become mainstream because before Windows 95, nobody used Windows. I mean, a lot of people used Windows, but it wasn't main mainstream, right? And it was just about the time schools in this area decided to get the internet

and people got into alta vista they got into netscape you know navigator like oh man we were talking about browsers earlier we should bring back i mean technically we still use netscape navigator because that's just firefox you know that's where fire came from, was Netscape. Yeah, God. I think the point of this conversation is that you were born in 1998. I was born in 1985. We could talk about really old shit for a long time if we wanted

to. The funny thing is, I did this podcast with you, and you were born in 1998. Tyler, who I do my podcast with, he was born in 1997. Oh, okay. So I'm like, at your age, you probably look at people who are in their 35, 37, and you're like, man, that's not so far away. But once you get here, you're like, God, I'm so old. Like, really really really old because like i remember the game boy like advance it wasn't the advance no it was the game boy color

was like i think was the first game boy because we were talking about pokemon the other yeah earlier and it was the first game boy where there was connectivity and but it wasn't the type of connectivity anybody today would remember because you actually had to buy a proprietary connector to connect these things it was like a 30 pin yeah and it was the first one like i remember these things like you bought them at that point the game boy had become so popular you could buy a two-pack you bought a two-pack you got one like a yellow and a pink one and it came with the cable and then you could trade pokemon that way it was so slow but at that point it was so cool i mean because it was just in order to be at that point they had these things called i believe lynx has made them in order to transfer files between laptops.

You had to have a software to do it, because Windows at that point wasn't prepared to actually transfer between laptops. So you had to have a specialized software. And then you had like a, you remember those old printer cables that were, like, I think they were IDE cables or something. Like, you had 25 pins on the inside, and you had to plug them in, and that's how you transferred cables, or transferred files, if you wanted to do it

from, like, peer-to-peer. Networking, you know, obviously was around back then, but it wasn't, you know, universal or anything. If you just had two computers, you wanted to to transfer something between you had to have a cable in order to do it i mean you have to have a cable nowadays too it's just a much smaller cable i guess i mean i didn't get it like i didn't actually have a home computer until like fairly late um because both my parents like grew up on farms so they just didn't have any interest in getting a computer. Now they don't leave Facebook, but back then, we were living in the middle of nowhere, Queensland.

I think it wasn't until 2006 or something that we actually got our first home computer. We didn't even have an internet connection before that point. Not that you could get a good internet connection out there anyway. Yeah a lot of places here in the United States are the same even now the same way you can't get a... it's slowly changing where you can be in the middle. Dialog was still like a thing in a lot of places in the US. Yeah we didn't get our first like a good connection until like 2007 2008 or something like that. Somewhere around there.

It might have even been later than that. I don't even remember. But we had dial-up for the longest time. And the thing about dial-up is, I don't know if it's the same place, same in Australia, but we never paid for dial-up. Every time we needed to re-up, we just got an AOL CD and got the free trial every time. It just changed accounts. I mean, that was...

Man, that was the days. Like, you never paid for internet because you just kept getting the new AOL CD. Yeah, we didn't get a, um... a actual... We didn't get an internet connection until DSL started, like, rolling out to places. Do they even... I mean...

I don't think I've ever... We never had DSL because we're way too far away. Like, DSL degrades over long distances, right? And, um... So we've always had either... We went right from dial-up to

cable. And the thing... I mean, cable has always been phenomenally expensive. And it's just ridiculous even now. You'd think that

with the way... I mean, the internet has become a necessity, right? But it's so freaking expensive. I don't know. It's just another thing for Matt to bitch about for any amount of time. Like, oh, I got a $150 internet bill. Because we don't pay for TV.

Like, we have no TV service here. The TV we get, we stream. Yeah, yeah. And it's still $150 for the jankiest-ass cable service ever. We... It's so bad. I think we pay $60 a month for 50 down, 10 up, with no data cap. Yeah.

So we pay that $150 because it's the only plan they offer in our area. Right. It's the only company we can get. So that's what we get. That's what we have to pay. We have no choice. Unless we're going to go to Satellite or something. Which is, I mean...

Oh, it's raining outside. I guess we're not going to have internet today. Elon Musk's... What is it? Starlink. Yeah. You know, sounds like a good idea, right? Turns out, slow as fuck.

It turns out we've had satellite internet it's not good like it's been around for a long time um but it had a lion's name on it so you thought well maybe he's thought of something that would make it good uh but then you see the reviews of it now granted it's still in beta uh but i don't think that you're going to get past the latency issues my i mean well i don't think the latency issues are the problem um early on in places that you know get like fairly hot uh the starlink like boxes with overheating when it overheats it just turns off it's it i think it's a good idea for places that just can't get you know for what comp cast is never going to want going out there you know i mean uh nearest towns like you know an hour away or something like that yeah or play you know

places like you know middle of europe or the middle of africa you know those places fantastic idea it's way better than the idea facebook had where they're sending up balloons oh yeah that was a thing that they did didn't they yeah like like here's an idea to give everybody internet let's send up balloons uh that's not a good idea i mean there's i mean can we list the ways that that's uh like an atrocious idea i think google did it too i think yep google google saw that idea it's like oh hey well that's a good idea like no that's not a good idea first of all 2018 from the wide facebook and google race to connect the world is heating up and it's about balloons uh i i don't know how to tell anybody this, but balloons go where the wind goes. So if you have a swift breeze, I mean, unless you have like a propeller system on there,

and then are you going to have like one person per balloon that's steering that thing? AI balloons. Machine learning. the steering that thing i mean it's just i mean i suppose machine learning yes but that was before i mean it was before they were really into ai so what were they doing back then i don't know it's i mean balloons it's the future that's so bad like somebody got paid for that idea okay this is what happens right places like Facebook and Google have really, really intelligent people. They get paid a lot of money. The problem you have when you have really intelligent engineers is they

want to over-engineer every single problem they come across. Instead of using something that we know already works like satellites, how about we have balloons? Right? you follow me balloons no one's ever tried this before it's such a great idea well balloons are closer than satellites so you will get theoretically better internet right and we can catch them so like we haven't come up with a

good idea for space junk yet but we can go out and catch a balloon if we have to like hey you want to know what the the the the router or the whatever and that balloon's gone bad let's go catch the damn thing and see if we can change it out we don't have to send astronauts in order to do it i mean it's true i mean technically i suppose but it seems like then why not just run a cable i mean because you're going to be running that balloon's going to get internet from somewhere close by so you've ran a cable at least to some place in the country so just carry on you know i mean We know that that works. But the thing about Google is they tried to be their own internet company for a while, right?

Google Fiber. Yeah, yeah. Is that still a thing? Yeah, everybody wants it. It's not still expanding. It's like in three or four cities. Right, right. Everybody wants it. Verizon did the same thing with their Fios or whatever was like that was back when like gigabit ether ether gigabit gigabit

internet was like the thing everybody wanted but nobody could have yeah it's much more it's much more widespread now at least here in the united states and probably japan because japan gets everything um uh but at that point like there were towns changing their name. I'm pretty sure Topeka, Kansas actually changed their name to Google in order to get fiber, which, by the way, didn't work. It went to Kansas City. Can you imagine you're at a town hall and you have the vote to the board like, OK, we're going to change our name to Google because we really, really want high speed Internet. You do it. you get the votes you got both parties that we have here that can never agree on anything to agree to change the name and then at the end of all of it it goes down the road to the next city that means it was just we're never agreeing on anything again we're never changing we're going

back to topeka there is um There is some discussion about upping it out. So, Australia has this jank-ass fibre network. So, initially, what we were supposed to have is nationalised fibre. We were supposed to have fibre running to every single household. Then the government changed,

and then they're like, no, that's too expensive. Now we're going to run fibre to these node points and then use the existing copper to the houses. But then some places actually do have fiber to the houses. Some have like fiber and then cable. It's like this messy as hell setup. But slowly places that actually do have fiber to the house

are actually like getting gigabit internet it's just taking a while so i got an email from my internet provider like three three weeks ago and they said congratulations we've doubled your internet speeds well i'm first of all i was like cool uh and you know the first thing i did right i went to speedtest.net I tested that shit did I get double internet speeds? No I did not like no I'm still getting the same 100 megabits I was getting before but the upload

speed actually went down so like download speeds are never like they're never the problem you get 50 or 70 or 100 or whatever you're at, which we should all be thankful that we get those speeds because there are people that are still in dial-up.

So we are thankful for that. But upload speeds suck for everybody. I mean... Yeah, it's so difficult to get a good upload. Like, unless you go, like, a business symmetrical connection, like, you're not getting good uploads yeah and those things are like six hundred dollars a month yeah you're like nobody can afford that unless you actually have a business right uh so so i get like seven megabits a second up

and i pay 150 for this thing like like you can like you can do better than this and the thing like you were talking about the nationalization of your stuff over there here in the united states that's like taboo right like we're never nationalizing anything because reasons capital capitalism so what we've done is the stupidest thing ever, and we have localized monopolies, so you only have one company. We have WoW. It's Wide Open West. It's like the smallest cable company in the United States. They cover a few million people. It's like, eventually, they're the company that will eventually get bought out by Comcast because Comcast wants to own them. Right. They want to own that section of land. Right.

So, but it's the only company we have because they actually, they control the lines. Mm-hmm. And you can go about six miles that-a-way, and it's another company. Right. But we can't, because it's six miles away, we can't have that company

even if they had better service. They don't, but we could, we can't have them because our our towns our town has agreed with wow that they're the only ones that can serve this area right and so we've had a few towns here in the united states like in north carolina stuff who have said uh we want gigabit Ethernet here in our town. And they've passed ordinances and laws and stuff like that in order to do it. And they've been taken to court by the company that owned that section of whatever.

And those ordinances have been struck down because they can't have it because it's considered anti-competitive, because the government can't compete with companies for that because then it would break some kind of commons law or something. Right, right. So, yeah. The moral of the story is that the internet in America is broken. It's not as bad as the power grid,

which it turns out if you have ICE in Texas, you're going to have power outages for three weeks. And you might as well, you know, whatever. There are people from that hurricane that happened like three weeks ago. They still don't have their power back because our power grid was built in the 1930s and hasn't been updated, even though they charge us through the nose for power. Like, here's an idea. Let's bury the cables. Like, here's an idea. Let's bury the cables. Like, we have the technology.

They're called shovels. Yeah, no, this is such a basic thing that Australia worked out a long-ass time ago. Like, a lot of states here just bury the cables. It's very easy. Because you want to know what happens when you bury the cables? The trees can't fall on the cables and bring the cables down. It's a novel situation, right? It's just, it doesn't make any sense.

And the thing is, it doesn't have to be all at once. Like, we don't have to have some broad national thing. Just when the cable comes down from the tree, because it happens every three weeks from the storm, bury that cable. Put it in the ground, okay? And then when the next section comes down, bury that part of the cable. Put it in the ground. And then when the next section comes down, bury that particle. And obviously it's not going to be that simple. They've actually spent more money going through and cutting down

trees to keep them from falling on the lines than they would have if they just buried the stupid cable. It's the dumbest thing. God bless America and all that stuff. It's whatever. But we're stupid people like like we we have some really dumb ideas in the name of capitalism i i i'm don't want to get into that but still it's australia is not perfect by any means uh my state doesn't have enough power generation for the state.

So we rely on other states. So when there was a massive storm that knocked out the transfer between states, like a lot of places just lost power for two weeks. Like there are problems. But hey, we'll have like a massive bushfire that knocks out like most of the East Coast and still have power the entire time. So, hey, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. The entire West Coast of the United States is on fire. And they have no water.

But they live next to an ocean. I don't know if they know this, but that ocean has a lot of water in it. I don't know if anybody knows this, but that ocean has a lot of water in it. I don't know if anybody knows this, but water puts out fires. So maybe we take some of that water, take the salt out of it, and water some plants. I mean, it just makes sense. They have desalinization. A lot of countries that are basically deserts, that's where they get most of their water is from de-salinization but for whatever reason because we can't do anything and get it done here you know it just doesn't happen i mean they have

an ocean right it's right there i mean they would i mean bill maher i don't know if you know who that right he was talking about this the other day and he was talking about building pipelines from where it's flooding on the east coast all the way to california like you don't have to do that you just got an ocean it's right there the the pipeline would be five meters you know like five feet it's all the time it doesn't make any sense uh and he was also talking about like they want to build shelters for homeless people uh but in california they had to scrap the project because the the homeless shelters got to the point where each one was costing 750 000 to build for homeless people like first of all if we're going to spend that money just give the homeless people 750 000 they can go and buy and buy their own house wouldn't that make a ton more sense

if we're just going to print money let's just do that we have gone I think we went from Vivaldi to Topol I don't know how we got here I genuinely don't know this is what happens when you get me on a podcast

because I tangent all over the place if you mapped it it'd be all over the place. That's fine. That means... Okay, I've looked at my topics. I think we've hit three things on here, which is fine. I like this. This is good.

I like having a guest who can actually hold a conversation. I'm surprised that we made it to three things. That's because I forced them to happen. Well, I'm surprised that we made it to three things that's why i forced them to happen well i'm surprised i allowed you to do that because uh normally when i get going on something i can rant for hours on it i'm glad that we didn't get into snaps versus flat packs or ios versus android or anything because i just switched to iOS again. Oh, did you? Yeah. Yeah, I did.

So I do this every, like, two or three years. And just to keep up on the things, because, I mean, there's not, I mean, I would love to go out and say, hey, I'm going to buy a Pine phone and use a Pine phone, but there's no application for a Pine phone, right? Linux on mobile is, like, where Linux was 20 years ago. It's just, it's not there yet, right? Maybe someday it will get there, but it's not there yet. the Linux on mobile is like where Linux was 20 years ago. It's just, it's not there yet. Right.

Maybe someday it will get there, but it's not there yet. So I switched back and forth between Android every three years, just so I can keep up with, you know, with what? Sure. Uh, iOS hasn't gone anywhere in the last three years.

It's still just as bad in some places as it was when I used it three years ago. Uh, the notification system? Horrible. There's no back button in iOS. Not really. And when they do have a back button, it's like this really little, weird small arrow at the top that you can't

hit or you hit accidentally when you don't want to hit it. And for whatever reason the thing i remember the last time i i had made the switch it used to be that the apps on ios were really good and the apps on android were fairly bad uh and i expected to see apps on ios to have that similar lead as they had like three years ago, but I get on the iPhone and they're the same applications

I had three years ago, only they all have in-app purchases now, and while that was kind of the same way three years ago... When you were playing Clash of Clans? Yeah. The thing is, three years ago, you ten dollars for like an application

in that purchase right that was fine whatever here's my ten dollars now because subscriptions have become the thing every application doesn't just have an in-app purchase it has an in-app subscription so uh i spent 30 yesterday on a twitter client for ios uh simply because i refuse to spend four dollars a year on the twitter client because i don't i'm gonna forget about that four dollars a year and it's i'm gonna be like 90 years old i'm still gonna be paying for twitter that hasn't been developed in 10 years or whatever you know it's the dumbest thing and first of all don't do as i do don't to the listeners out there don't spend 30 on a twitter client it's the dumbest thing you can do with your money i don't think i don't think you need to tell anyone else not to do that all right but the thing is you can't actually get a twitter client on iOS unless it's the standard Twitter client, which is garbage, for any small amount of money.

Like, they're all expensive. Like, the tweet. So there was one that came out when I was using iOS years and years ago. It was called Tweetbot. Beautiful design. Has all the features you want. It used to be great. They had a free version, they had a paid version.

I usually send them the money because I like to support developers. They still have it. It still exists. They're on the sixth version now. The thing is, they have a free version, but you can't tweet from it. Oh, so it's just like a viewer thing. All you can do is see Twitter. You can't tweet from it.

You can't retweet. You can't reply wheat you can't reply you can't do anything with the M's and they don't have like a lifetime thing otherwise I would have given them $30 for forever no instead they charge you $10 a month for Twitter a Twitter client like I'll pay $10 a month for netflix sure because i actually get something for netflix i'm not paying ten dollars a month like i'll pay it's it's it's just so stupid subscriptions are the stupidest i i would i would debate with you whether which is more stupid subscriptions or nfts because they're both but at least with subscriptions you get something kind of i think it depends on what we're subscribing to like if i if it's something

like a twitter client i don't just no right stop using put it on your phone just go use tweet deck on your computer i do that too but i need in both places it's it's it's a it's stupid it's a it's a mental thing but like i yeah i can't i can't think of a way that you could argue that like you know a netflix subscription or like off a wow subscription or anything like that is worse than an nfc we cannot actually maybe the wow subscription but worse than an nft so is... I mean, are they still doing new versions of WoW? Yeah, WoW's still getting developed. WoW Blizzard is crumbling

as everyone's going and playing Final Fantasy XIV. That's just so sad because I like Hearthstone so much. But that's the only Blizzard game that I actually ever got into is Hearthstone. I played WoW, like, the first version of WoW. Like, that was the last version of WoW. Like, that was the last version of WoW I've ever played. Because WoW was, like, one of those first games where

because it was, like, it was an online game, and like, the chat rooms and stuff that surround WoW are just so, I mean, there's that 12-year-old boy in that in those chat rooms rooms and they're all calling my mother terrible names i mean and if and it's probably not true because remember not

a big gamer but wow felt like the first place where that kind of stuff happened uh it probably wasn't because it probably like call of duty or something like that because the Call of Duty voice chats are just as – I mean they're horrible, right? But for me, that was my first really experience with that kind of behavior. Like first of all, you don't know my mother. Stop talking like that. Second of all, your mother would be very, very disappointed in you, young man. you young man like this is where the age thing gets in because you gotta lecture these little those little guys because they're all they're you know they're all like probably like they're not even 12 years old that's probably getting them way too much credit they're probably like seven

or eight years old and they have the dirtiest mouths you've ever heard and they all think they're like the the the biggest twitch streamers they've ever heard i mean they probably don't even know how to sign up for Twitch, but they think they're the shit. I don't even know if anybody says that anymore, but it's just so bad. That's another reason why I don't do online gaming, because

it seems like that's all you come across anymore. Yeah. We meandered into yet another topic. Well, that's as good a time as anything to end off the podcast otherwise you're going to keep going for like another hour

oh I could we've been going for 2 hours and 14 minutes so let's see the way I usually end off I don't know if you ever watch the podcast to the end the way I usually end it off is let people know a channel that you think they should check out.

Give them someone fun to go watch. Oh, okay. So here's when you got to check out. If you like scripting, because I told you I avoid scripting on my channel because it's too niche. But Terminal for life has a fantastic channel life is a great channel yeah he does a lot of scripting stuff that's pretty much his niche and well he's never he doesn't get a lot of views on his uh videos he has a lot of subscribers about similar as i do all of his videos are just fantastic and you're gonna if you like scripting

you go there. So that would be my recommendation, Terminal for Life. Also, I know you didn't ask for two. You can say as many as you want. Zany is my podcast host, co-host. And you should check out his channel too. He's this close to 1,000 subscribers. This close.

He's like at 700 or something like that, somewhere around there. He's going to get to 1,000 subscribers, subscribers and we're gonna throw him like a virtual party it's gonna be fantastic he's gonna stream for like 24 hours because i'm gonna and he's gonna install gen 2 i i i just made that part up just to you know now i hope he installs gen 2 that'd be hilarious anyways yeah uh he doesn't actually have like a url that you can uh because apparently you have to be like at a certain level in order to get the vanity url i don't even remember yeah i don't know where it's at now um but hey you're not at five they just change it so if you can get five community post 500 yeah i did see that yeah it really pissed me

off because i worked so hard for that first house. I had to wait so long for this to make my first community post, and now everybody's at 500 and is getting it. That's unfair. I think at this point, my podcast channel will have enough subs. My gaming channel won't, which is sad. We need to change that. We'll post that on everybody's community page. We'll get you there.

It's going to happen. Well, right now my plan is post YouTube shorts on my gaming channel, to change that we'll we'll post that on everybody's community page we'll we'll get you there yeah it's gonna happen well right right now my plan is post youtube shorts on my gaming channel that seems to be working post gaming clips to youtube shorts we have to do what everybody else has to do and get dt to shout it out yeah or that uh i'm gonna say um because we talked about mics before there's so many channels i can talk about um i guess we can say podcastage yeah or podcast podcastage i don't know how you say his name um either way he has a great podcast too bander says very good but if you want if you want to see mic reviews um probably one of the best at doing mic reviews he will show it in different use cases not just you know with voice he'll show it with instruments who show it against other microphones in the similar price

ranges great channel highly recommend it uh he goes into way too much detail in some cases but if you're looking for a mic review, that's probably the best place to go. His second channel, The Deuce, is hilarious too, because he makes way too many poop jokes. Saying that. So, where can people find you? Let's see, youtube.com slash Linuxcast, I'm at the Linuxcast on Twitter, and I'm on Discord in various you'll you'll see me in brody's uh uh discord server and i'm on in zany's discord server i have a discord server for the linux cast but it's not public and i right i don't know if i want it to be public because that sounds like

way too much work yeah yeah uh so uh yeah those are the probably the easiest places to find me. Okay, cool. Yeah. If you have nothing else to say, I guess I'll do my outro. No, I think I'm good. Okay, cool. If you want to see the audio release of this, this is available as a... Anywhere. Anywhere that has podcasts.

I don't know how to do this outro. I've done 80 episodes. I still don't know how to do an outro. You can find the audio release anywhere. Video release is on YouTube and Odyssey if you're watching the audio version. Main channel, Brodie Robertson. Do Linux videos.

Gaming channel, Brodie Robertson Plays. Livestream twice a week. Upload about five of us to YouTube Shorts. And then... That's everything. Yeah, that is everything. Jeez, I can't do an outro. This changes every single time. Maybe I should actually plan something. That might everything. Yeah, that is everything. Jeez, I can't do an outro. This changes every single time.

Maybe I should actually plan something. That might help. You could write it down. I could. I should do that. But am I going to? Nah. No.

I don't write anything down either. Too much work. I'll let you do the outro. What do you want to say? Thanks for watching. I don't know. You can't just drop this kind of stuff. No, I do this on everyone. I force them to do the outro what do you want to say uh thanks for watching i don't know but you can't just drop this no i do this on everyone i i force them to the outro uh if you if you listened all the way

to the end of the podcast awesome i mean seriously i i hope somebody goes through and does like the timestamps for this thing because you'll every single topic we cover about like hilarious anyways uh yeah thank you for watching, I guess. I don't know. Thanks for dropping that on me, Brody. I really appreciate that. No worries. Do it to everyone.

You're not special in this way. You're such a cruel person. I don't even know why I talk to you anymore. See you guys later. See ya.