Tech Over Tea - #86 The Internet Is Not Our Friend Today | Nephitejnf

Episode Date: October 20, 2021

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Good morning, good day, good evening. I'm, as always, your host, Bray Robertson, and today, we are back for episode 86 of Tech of a T. I have no idea what is going on on Nephite's screen, either. He has not told me anything. All he said is, I'm going to show up with this mask on, so, um, welcome back to the show. Now, do you care to explain why? Why this is here? Where did you get it? I bought this, oh oh i've got a surplus store down the road okay so there's a surplus store down the road like half an hour 45 minutes away from me like half an hour, 45 minutes away from me. And I've got a whole bunch of surplus,

like equipment and stuff that you can pick up. And I'm like, you know, I should get one. Cause when I was working at the IRS at the time, it's like they still had a mask thing going on. Right, right, right. So I'm like, okay, filter, polish mask, $15 for the mask, $13 for the canister. That was your reason.

That was your reason for doing that. To be fair, I've seen some pretty creative choices that people have made. It's one thing to wrap a shirt around your face or you know um things like that but i i've seen people with like the full-on like painters mask

like the ones with like the the breathing things on the side um a fairly common one is like the dust mask that people wear like you know you can just wrap something else like you don't you don't need that you can like use literally anything else like there's fabric stores you can just wrap something else... Like, you don't need that. You can, like, use literally anything else. Like, there's fabric stores. You can make, like, a... What's the word? Bandana? No, that's...

Whatever, you know what I'm talking... You just, like, wrap a bit of, like, fabric around your face. That's all I did, is I had, like, you know, the Arab scarves? And I'd use those, basically. Just wrap it around. Basically... like you know the arab scarves and i'd use those basically just wrap around basically i mean they've even got fake masks that most people let pass all they care is they mouth is covered i don't what do you mean you can have like the thinnest fabric ever and it's like well okay australia they there's no uh restriction on like what kind to wear as long as you're covering

your face like no one that's what they care about here yeah well I mean it was just one of those things where it's like some people take it to the extreme so I'm gonna do it for fun sure sure I didn't see anyone walking around with a motorbike helmet at least I can't

think of anyone who did that but I'm sure there had to have been at least someone actually my favorite ones are the guys that are like on their motorcycles wearing a mask and it's like you're not wearing a helmet but you're wearing like cloth mask why so how you been you're wearing man i'm doing pretty well. What are you being up to? Nothing exciting? Yeah, trying to not let the garden die and things like that, you know? Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, that's completely fair.

It's going, is autumn there now or fall or whatever you Americans call it? Yeah, we're getting into that point. Fun times. Yeah, it's slowly becoming spring here like australia is in this weird point where like when it hits spring it's like oh we're still in winter and we're in summer like some days it's gonna be really cold some days gonna be really hot just enjoy it enjoy it and and suffer plus i get um i have hay, so that always makes it fun as well. I mean, it's been raining mostly for the last couple of days,

so I haven't really been outside to do very much. So, like, between Sins of a Solar Empire and Stellaris, my time has been, like, sucked up for hours. Well, speaking of gaming, I'm sure you heard of the Twitch leak that happened. Oh, yeah. That was the forcibly open source software movement. Yeah, that was...

So, for anyone who doesn't know about that, luckily, it wasn't, like, you know, user information. It seems like whoever did this leak this time, unlike the Epic Data leak, has some sort of, like, a moral compass, um, but they dumped out Twitch creator payments, uh, source code for the website, and information about, like, an unreleased, um, unreleased Steam competitor, but the source code is where it gets fun, because it's not like, okay, here's where it's kind of weird. A lot of people are saying

like, oh, source code, that's not that big of a deal. Like, there's open source software that exists. But there's something special about when you know software isn't open source. You tend to take shortcuts. You tend to take a lot of them.

Probably a few i haven't looked at like the source i haven't taken the time to download it i was mostly worried about the epic leak for like very like obvious reasons since i use them as my domain registrar as well so i worried about finding what was leaked for that, but Twitch I wasn't quite worried about, so I haven't gone to look at that yet. But it's kind of interesting to realize that some people can look at the back end for it now. They've got the full SDK for Twitch now. Yep.

Well, Twitch has tried to address obvious problems they have, but then there was the follow-up thing where someone decided to change every single game category to uh bezos pogface oh yeah uh let's see if we can find the picture it's actually beautiful um oh kataku sure the kataku for once will be valuable uh yeah here go. I didn't even know this picture existed. But yeah, that's just been used to plaster, or at least it was for like a couple hours or something, plaster everything.

So clearly, you still have access to parts of it. I know some people on 4chan were complaining because the link, the magnet links they kept posting kept getting pulled down for some reason. Like, the Epic one was able to stay up. Sure. So... 4chan's got someone on the inside. Yeah, 4chan's got...

Twitch has someone on the inside of 4chan, or Amazon does. That's what I meant. Maybe there's someone on the inside on both sides or Amazon does. That's what I meant. Maybe there's someone on the inside on both sides and they're, like, trading information. Maybe. Yeah, this whole situation was kind of hilarious. I love the way the streamers actually addressed, like, the payout leaks, though.

Like, none of them cared. Some of them, like, some of the smaller ones did a bit. But, like, the big ones like ludwig asman pokimane people like that they just took the piss out of it like some of them just started putting like their rank in the title well some of them did there were a few that had issues with it because they got a lot of flack from the fanbase for like making too much money. Yeah, I did see, um, the big one I saw was with, um, I think it was Sykuno's fans. Who were like, oh my god, Sykuno, you're rich, but you pretend to be poor.

Like, do you see how many viewers Sykuno gets? He's not fucking poor. I know, it's like, okay, so you're this dude that says we should do this, but you're making millions. It's like, not see, you're this dude that says we should do this, but you're making millions. It's like, something's not matching here. But anyone who, I thought it was already an established fact that all of the top Twitch streamers were rich. That's why, I can't remember what the percentage is, but being a streamer is like the, it's the top job that kids want to do now in previous generations those things like an astronaut and a scientist now it is a uh it is a youtuber or a twitch streamer i thought this was like established knowledge i want to be a tiktoker oh yeah no i

don't luckily it's not easy to make money on TikTok. Otherwise that probably would be the way that goes. Oh, you cut out there for a second. Uh, yeah, you're completely for it. Oh, we're back.

Okay. Um, what was I saying? Uh, words, Twitch money, right? Anyone who didn't realize that Ludwig was rich is,

is a fucking moron. Like, when he did the... What was it? The subathon? Where he's openly said he made one and a half million dollars from that. Like, yeah, Ludwig's rich. Okay.

And then some people complained that wasn't everything that they made from Twitch, because that didn't include the merch and everything. That's like, so that's basically just subs. Well, yeah, that's where, like, someone like Pokimane constantly is shilling things like merch and has ad deals, and there's a lot more, like, that's, I would have to assume that someone like,

like, a lot of the big streams where there are like four or five million are probably close to that eight or nine. I would, I would have to guess. And look, and I imagine their ads look way, way better because I'm sitting there looking at mine and it's like ads are like two or three cents a month. Yeah, there's also that. Yeah. Um, well, there's also that, yeah. Well, there was also something else that sort of came out about this. This is why

Destiny got banned, which is always funny that, yeah, I love Destiny. Anyway, but Destiny got banned for sharing some information from the leak. It turns out there's a couple of streamers

who might not actually not might, who do get special treatment, who when they get banned, rather than being directed to the regular Twitch mod team, actually get directed to a specific staff member. Ah, that makes sense.

What was it? I would have expected it to be people like Amaranth and people like that, but it was, um... It wasn't. Like, I don't know why Amaranth can keep getting banned and keep coming back. I don't know. Maybe they just like how much money she makes them. You can't exactly get rid of your cash cows.

Absolutely, yeah. It was... I think it was, was like RiceGum and a couple people like that, which I didn't even know streamed. Do we have the names here somewhere? I can't find the names now. But yeah, there are big Twitch streamers who get special treatment. Wow!

Also, who would have thought? You take care of the people that make you money some people don't quite understand that but that's business absolutely yeah well i don't know i don't make money on twitch anyway i just i i follow this story because i think it's kind of funny to see uh partially to see the outrage, but also just to see like sort of, sort of what, what information is going to come out from the leak. Apparently this was only part one.

That's what I've heard. But we're still waiting for part two. Yeah, it, that, that's what they said with the initial leak. But at this stage, there's no evidence of a part two. I don't know if they're waiting for something to drop

it, or what the deal is, or if it just doesn't exist, and that's sort of just trying to scare Twitch into actually doing something. Judging by the fact they clearly still have access to parts of the back end, it's very possible there is a part 2.

Just wait and see. I just hope that whatever this part two is it's not going to be hey let's release the top twitch streamers like addresses like as anything like anything else you want to release fine don't do that if if you want to release like the stupid backside deals that twitch staff is making i'm okay with that if you want to release docs stupid backside deals that Twitch staff is making, I'm okay with that. If you want to release docs on people, please don't. Yeah. Like, a lot of...

Was it... I think it was... I can't remember exactly who it was. I'm feeling like xQc or Shroud or someone like that, who ended up having to move from their house because people just kept showing up gosh only other one person like that was drachenlord from germany but that was like a 4chan troll pilgrimage well yeah if you so if you're talking about um 4chan trolls well there's the obvious one is Chris-chan,

but that's an entire podcast by itself. That's a forbidden subject now. I sort of got interested in the Chris-chan saga way, way later, which makes it great for me because there's already all of this amazing, uh, documentary on it, um, but, man, that, he, there's, there's, the trolling, look, trolling ops are bad, trolling ops are bad, don't,

don't troll someone for years and years of their life, that, that clearly does things to people. years and years of their life. That clearly does things to people. Hmm. They spent a lot of money on this one, though. There's, like, funneled money for the lols. It's like, ah, the least

you could do is, like, find some better way to help them. Oh, god. Um. You know, the internet's kind of shit. As much as I like the internet, a lot of people on the internet are kind of shit. I've run into a few of those.

I've learned to deal with those people that are a bit rough around the edges. Well, yeah, you sort of have to deal with them if you're going to do anything online. It's not like I'm new to the internet. I been like using computers been online since like the early 2000s so you sort of build up especially if you're intentionally putting yourselves around those people you sort of build up a way to deal with people who are just openly assholes for the sake of being assholes i just wish some people would like learn to like deal with those people

instead of whine about it is all it's like you know you're feeding into them the first rule of the internet is don't feed the trolls well unless you're gonna feed into them so hard that uh you just have fun with them like um you know I don't know if you watch Too Mad. I don't think I've come across them, no. Anyway, he's got this beef with K-pop stans right now. And they keep trying to, like, they keep sending, like, legal orders to his house trying to sue him. And he's just turning this this entire situation and he's like starting shit on twitter with them his dms are full of k-pop stans and all he does

is just turns into content for his channel and makes thousands of dollars from it i mean if i had that opportunity i would do that too yeah because like i know I've had people DM me like Steam scams and stuff I'm like I'm tent I just have to deal with you being here I can't really do anything with it well that's that's boring

I'm gonna feed the scammer and make content out of it absolutely well that's the entirety of, like, scam bait content. Mm-hmm. What was it? It was that, uh, port scam. I had

another one, like, this past week where a dude DM'd me. It's like, I accidentally reported your thing. He never replied back, but I'm like, ah, dang it, there goes another content at least look if you're gonna try to troll me at least at least put the effort in and reply if I reply like I know I know you wanted to have like the most low effort scam possible but at least

like put a bit of effort into it please I want to have some fun with you i mean the screenshots that they do and the video stuff that they do isn't half bad they do put effort into that but they give up right away once you start to like oh so someone's gonna email me it's like oh he knows about this already dang it it's like dang it i took the wrong approach for that one shit well he's too competent with a computer well even if you are even if you um do sort of recognize that could possibly be a scam like there's still some people who've fallen for things that looking back on it are like really obvious scams take the whole like um the youtube hijacking thing that happened a while back where people were sending out emails through what was a google message or i don't know what it's called and it looked like it was a like coming directly from

youtube the delete your channel scam yeah that one Spiffing Brit fell for it, too. Yeah, yeah. It's wild. Yeah, and the biggest one I knew about was when Jim Browning fell for it, and his entire channel is scam baiting. Like, yeah, here we are spying on

an Indian cult scam call center, but I also fell for this scam. Luckily, um, luckily the guy who was doing the scam didn't seem to be doing it entirely maliciously. It was kind of weird, because he was entirely willing to, like, answer questions about the scam. It was probably more of an awareness thing like guys you should like stay aware of it because that one could have been like seriously abused by someone who actually wanted to do it like there's so many channels that get hijacked from these very very easy

scams and that's why there's so many of these like um so many like crypto channels just upload the exact same videos because they're just all like controlled by a bot farm uh-huh they like acquire a channel and then like spit their stuff into it yeah i think some of them even delete the old videos off the original videos off the channel and then upload their own to it too is what's bad yeah and then you're like oh why is this random channel I don't know how these like maybe I'm just like I'm just

giving too much what's the word too much responsibility too much I have too high expectations for random people I don't understand how you fall for one of those videos but it's like hey you can send me this much money and i will send you this much money back like the

whole um the the twitter scam that happened ages ago was like oh send send me this much bitcoin and i will double it oh my favorite ones are those catots that come up by followers by viewers yeah yeah subs it's like i even like making any money by like paying for people to sub am i losing money who who's making the money here because i know which his deal is 50 of the cut goes to them the other half goes to you and so if i the sub if i am gonna pay 50 and i get 25 back i feel like i'm losing here well the problem that twitch has is a lot of people look at like you've looked at like the twitch the back end twitch dashboard where it's like hey the path to partner path to affiliate whatever it is like it they very much gamify it but it's like hey you get this many viewers this

many uh messages per whatever and then you you're you're ready to get the next evolution come on guys you know you want to work towards it and like there's all the achievements there like twitch has seriously gamified it which i think is part of what encourages that like even if you're losing money if you get a certain amount of subs you get an achievement for it don't you want the achievement well part of the problem too is like you can hit that mark so like affiliate mark but you don't have to keep that up right you care about is like did you make at least a hundred dollars in the last year yeah okay then you still get your payout you still get to be an affiliate sure if you didn't make at least a hundred dollars all that matters is that you made at least 25

so that they can get their cut and then you can wait to get your payout later on yeah the um i i think i think my twitch channel has hit the point where i could go affiliate if i wanted to but it's just there's no value in doing that when my channel is so small like i've said this before but restreaming is too valuable like they twitch actually there's a topic about that i didn't want to talk about twitch is really bad for growth and if you're just doing stuff on twitch you're like there's a reason why all the big channels have youtube channels like you want to direct people from a platform like youtube where it actually has some growth perspectives over to somewhere like twitch yeah well i the

it's really hard climb when you're just doing using twitch and like even streamers that don't have a youtube they're like well you've got to have twitter be active on twitter and this that and the other and it's like so you still have to rely on other things because their stuff doesn't work because it's ranked by viewers. And if you're in this category, that Fortnite category, and you've got zero viewers, no one's going to watch you.

I think the metric is if you're not in the first eight? Ten? How many is it? I think it's first eight. If you're not in the first eight channels you i think the discoverability drops to like 20 or something ridiculous like that because most people don't scroll down like if you're looking for a channel to watch most people are going to

pick one of those top channels yeah and that that's where some people they like take their phone and like there's a viewer so you've got at least one so you're above everyone that's zeros all at the bottom yep yep or you could uh look if you have multiple browsers installed you could always spin up multiple instances like that as well there's a lot of little things you can do but um you can you can game it but but uh what was the thing right um we were talking about like paying for like views and stuff but uh twitch actually is testing a feature where like you could just pay them to do that really yep this happened a couple of weeks ago. I've not heard of this.

Yeah, no one was really talking about it. I don't know why no one did. I don't know if they decided to not push it through. Basically, like, staking. So if anyone's just listening, Twitch is testing a feature that lets viewers pay to promote streamers. The program lets viewers pay cash to put streamers on Twitch's front page. So literally it's the same thing as like, buying views. But at least in this case it's buying real views. Like you're putting yourself- It's basically pay to win. Yeah, basically. Yeah, pretty much.

Let's see, allow viewers to search for streams, blah blah blah. That talks about the tagging stuff, yeah. I'm sure they boost certain tags above others, too. Which seems kind of stupid, but, you know. Twitch

is a... It's a platform. It's a platform, that's for sure. Oh, I did see something... I did see something that I feel like is going to become the new Twitch meta. What was it? It was the speed dating one, wasn't it? Yep. So we all know about the hot tub meta,

but we can evolve the hot tub meta. So we keep the bikinis um I guess we don't need hot tubs anymore um I guess you don't need a hot tub to be in a bikini anymore you can just sit there uh anyway what you do is you abuse the parasocial relationships

so you have a bunch of dudes who are in love with the streamer and you say if you pay me a certain amount we can go on a speed date on stream so this leads into you actually like you know building that parasocial relationship further because now you're actually having a conversation the person doesn't give a shit about you but you're now having a conversation with them um plus the streamer makes a shit load of money from that well and this goes beyond that because you're not just paying for their only fans to get a

customized video that you can watch over and over you actually get a clip that you can refer to where you actually talked to them yep and you can play that over and over now. Yup. Yup. I have a feeling this is going to become the new meta. I just wonder how long it's going to last. Until Twitch decides they don't want to be a porn site. That's when. Well, I mean, Caterbait's here still. Honestly, I'm surprised Twitch hasn't just like fully embraced at this point just like i mean making them money money do they make from this stuff and they're

like ah well there are plenty of other sites that have like a triple x tag too i think as well well ads are sort of like the weird one when it comes to like this is i think this is the only reason why twitch hasn't fully embraced it a lot of advertisers don't want anything to do with the porn site like if they did that they'll have to start you know getting like the porn hub style as it was like oh do you want to like grow your dick another 20 inches do you want to like there's a there's a there's a there's a sexy person next door just fucking all of this stupid shit like that's the sort of ads they'll need to start like start getting if they were to do that i don't think they want to i don't think amazon wants

to be attached to that directly even though they're more than willing to like sell sex toys well that's like half my spam box too so what sex toys yeah oh well i mean bigger look oh i'm really hot for you on cam i'm really wet i'm like thank you i needed that i needed a good chuckle thank you look i'll take that over the scammers yeah it's like it's in the spam folder i know it's spam and oh you're just looking for money so at least i can get past that the other thing is just ridiculous because you're trying to steal from people the internet as a this is this is just slowly turning into the internet is the the internet just encapsulated in an episode like everything is shit basically oh lordy lord so what have you actually been what have you been playing lately uh mostly strategy games i have had some like postal brain damage mix in there because they released the demo for that in the last couple

of weeks it actually runs really smooth it's one of the least janky things and it runs really well on Proton too. It's kind of fun to see it run that well out of the box. I was going to say it looks good. It looks like a game from 2010 but it might be fun. Okay, I was gonna say it looks good. It looks like a game from, like, 2010. But, like... Hey, it might be fun.

They went for the boomer shooter aesthetic. And then they also took some, like, modern things from it as well. So it's, like, one of those, like, retro-style boomer shooter, but with, like, a lot of cool modern things in it. Right. Yeah. boomer shooter but with like a lot of cool modern things in it right yeah and i found out about the grappling hook on the shotgun i'm like oh you describing it as a boomer shooter they describe it themselves as a boomer shooter you haven't heard of the boomer shooter genre no i haven't this game is a boomer shooter so it will involve a lot of shooting enemies

they will give also low-res cartoon people in lingerie or bathing suits no i've not heard of the i've not heard of boomer shooter before boomer wake duke nukem those basically kind of fall in the boomer shooter like run and gun like enemies everywhere and shoot everything right one or that's basically all you do you know it sort of makes sense to separate that out from like the the modern fps because like you know the call of duties battlefields things like that are a very different style of first-person shooter. Whereas the Boomer shooters are more fast-paced, and they're just, like, wanton destruction.

Okay, no, that makes sense. I actually just had not heard of the genre term before. I think that was a term that may have popped up more recently is why. I'm seeing references to it as early as 2020 oh wait is there no that's just shoot yeah it seems like 2020 2019 might have been when it started showing up oh that was that would have been the first or second Realm Steep, which is basically E3, but specifically for boomer shooters and retro-style games.

Sure, okay. This is done by 3D Realms, too, so they are, like, doubling down on that at all. Let's see. What has 3D Realms done?

I'm recognizing the name. I can't think of the games they've made. They were the studio that did Duke Nukem. Then they were also the publishers for like Ion Fury and a few others as well. There's like... Let me look. Wolfenstein 3D, apparently.

Wolfenstein as well. Shadow Warrior? Okay, yeah. Okay, yeah, yeah. I know this video now. That makes sense. Also, they did... Math Rescue.

Whatever that is. Probably one of those edutainment games. Where did those go, anyway? What happened to the days of edutainment games? I think they got replaced by sexy bikinis and military simulator shooters. Yeah, probably. Well, look, I think parents have just stopped caring as much

of like what what their kids are playing like oh you're playing uh you're playing battlefield 2042 and you're a 10 year old well that's fine doesn't matter she'll be right talking these games kind of started in an era where like you had bible games on the your consoles and now we're all the way over here we're like it's remotely bible related it's usually violent or sexy yeah it's fair i wonder i wonder when the like the last bible i've not heard of a bible video game in a very long time. List of Christian video games on Wikipedia. Wow, okay. There's one that came out in 2021.

The game for the PS4, our church and Halloween RPG series. Life Academy, Jesus in the Matrix. What in the world? What is this okay this looks like a shitty indie game by the looks of it most of them are remember there was this like bullet hell one that called david and goliath that like got from some neighbor was just you as David getting upgrades for your sling like shooting lasers and stuff eventually.

You can't exactly take the concept very far. Yeah, well, I mean, David and Goliath plus bullet hell equals let's make sci-fi aliens and stuff in a Bible story. Yeah, that's fair. There's a game called I Am Jesus Christ. Okay. IGN did a review of it back in 2019.

Sure. Apparently the genre still exists. I've now discovered the Christian gamezilla thing and so are boomer shooters. What's up? There's this one called War in Heaven. I'm thinking on...

I can't remember. I think it's one. There's one built on the Quake engine, I remember. And, like, something similar, where, like, something similar. Where, like, all the enemies you fight are basically Romans. And when you shoot them with your sword, they kneel and pray. But I can't remember what the name of it was for the life of me.

Oh, God, this is old. This is very old. Wait, there's a fan base for this game. For, like, War in Heaven Heaven and someone made a War in Heaven fighting game. Oh, there it is. That's the one, I think. What is it?

Katakuman. Katakuman. Katakuman. Katakuman. Yeah. Katakuman. This would be in the 2000s. How in the world do you spell that?

C-A-T-E-C-H-U-M-E-N. Ah, okay, yeah, we found it. Cool. Ah, that's the one I was thinking of. Okay, let's see. What is he holding is that supposed to be a sword that's your sword of light

aha sure okay is that a rail gun later in the game what is that is that certainly not a sword at this point I'm going to send you the picture that's certainly not a sword

are they oh no that's a double sword actually if I remember correctly shut the fuck up hey forge very creative that's all i have to say yeah sure okay yeah we'll call it creative i guess why not oh because i think it was civvy that did a review of it that's like really like takes it down a notch but it's hilarious.

Video games. Speaking of games that are that should not should stay you know what, no no, we'll say should stay in the past and if you want to go and play them, just go and play the old version Did you hear about the GTA Trilogy

remaster? I heard about that coming to Switch and everything else Yeah, I think it's going to be on iOS as well So Yeah, I think it's going to be on iOS as well. Oh. So what will it be on? It'll be on Xbox Series X, Xbox One, PlayStation 5, PlayStation 4, Switch PC.

And I could have sworn that Muda was saying it'll be on iOS as well. I don't want a remake. Can we not? Well, I mean, the other one is the KOTOR remake from Star Wars, and it's like, they had a writer for it that they hired, and it's like, this person is like a feminist writer. It's like, wait, why do they need to rewrite anything in a remake? Well, the problem with a remake well the problem with the problem with um with with uh a remake of gta is one of the big things that makes gta uh that makes that makes each gta their own special thing

is the radios you have in the car. And... Oh, yeah, the copyright stuff, too. Yeah. Yeah. And there's a lot of music that even in just the PC version of the game at this point have been removed through updates because, well, the license has expired

a long-ass time ago. So... Cheers. It is... It's sad. Like, if I want to go back and play... Like, the best way to go back and play, like, Vice City, GTA 3, or San Andreas is honestly to emulate the PS2 versions. Don't play them on PC. Just go

and go back and play the old PS2 versions. Don't buy the neutered version. Play the good one. Mm-hmm. I'm curious i'm sorry some people complain about the same thing or like content gets removed or things because of whatever from like old games from like doom for example where they change red cross to the green cross oh yeah the red cross got mad so right yeah yeah yeah it just feels bad that like because of these things people have to retroactively remove something from it from a game because for some reason their license doesn't apply anymore content even though they're not

developing it anymore like content, even though they're not developing it anymore. Like, it, video games are a weird one, because especially now that, like, there's so many old games that did have, like, copyrighted music in them, and those licenses have long expired, but nowadays, with the, like, the fact that you can go and update at any point, you can very easily just go and remove that stuff that you'd sort of expect to be there when you first played the game

I'm sort of curious to see what changes are actually going to be made to this remake though whether it's going to be like hey we just released an HD version or if it's going gonna be they actually did any work yeah i think for a lot of people they would like to see like models redone and stuff and maybe some like jankiness cleaned up that would be the extent of it no storyline rewriting i know in some

cases some of these companies when they do a remake they like to add in like new content new content new content right but i feel like they're gonna the problem with new content new content costs money and if we can make the laziest remake possible well hey let's just release it with HD textures. Why not? Oh, that's the difference. Like, you can do HD textures and models, and that still takes work to do, to work on. And some people are willing to pay for that because they're getting an updated game that runs on current hardware.

Throw everything through an upscaler. And it looks nice. Just throw everything through an upscaler. Do no work. That does work sometimes, actually, an upscaler do no work that does work sometimes actually an upscaler works quite well with Doom pixel art stuff tends to be fairly like the problem with older pixel art stuff

is it doesn't look good on modern screens because the resolution is different it doesn't work as well when you start getting the higher resolution stuff though it kind of depends on your filtering too yeah that's true i i don't know i haven't played too much around with filtering when it comes to emulating stuff i try to go with like just uh basically just a straight upscale so like i'll play um i'm playing through shimogami tensei 3 right now uh i've upscaled that to 4k and it it looked pretty good there's

a lot of stuff that doesn't it's not as clean as i would like it to be but it certainly still looks pretty good there there are just some things where it's like if you can upscale it and get a clean pixel art versus the fuzzy filtering that like a lot of things want to apply it looks really really nice there are some 3d games that like have the lower resolution that i feel bad because it just looks all messy when it would probably look nicer just having like crisp pixel art for the textures instead i think when it's it's so low res like when it's when it's to the point of something like final fantasy 7 it sort of has that same the same effect when you upscale it like you know you're not adding extra detail to it

but you're getting those very clean models back like people play people play, like, you play Final Fantasy VII expecting it to look like a very early PS1 game. Yeah. And if you're playing it on a small screen, it doesn't really quite matter. But, um, like, this is why, like, if you go on upscale, like, you know, anything on, like, the

Game Boy or GBA, like, they'll look as good as you'd expect them to look. Like, all you're doing is just bringing those clear lines back. And I'm a lot of Emily emulators have like really good filtering algorithms that like do the smoothing really nicely too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Do tend to shy away from them for the straight pixels. And that's about it. So yeah, I don't stick that way I don't like to see smoothing stuff I get it I would much rather have like the way the art style

was sort of intended to look there's also like the CRT like filters you can apply and stuff or like the pixel TV lens as well so like those can look really really nice i haven't really played uh with played with played with those ones much yet i can't really speak for how that would look i think one game that um one game that doesn't upscale super well but does have a really good fan project to make it upscale well,

is Final Fantasy VI. So that game used... It had really beautiful 2D backgrounds with 3D models walking in front. When you upscale, the 3D models look absolutely perfect, but the backgrounds they don't so there's actually a mod project that takes some like the early concept art and upscales based on that it redraws some sections and like actually tries to make the game look Really really good

Sounds really good sounds very very nice i know some people don't appreciate when fans do that but there are others that do and so someone putting in that time and work to do it is just really awesome to see i'm happy with people doing whatever they want with a mod project but when when it's something that i'm gonna run run myself, I like to keep it sort of as close to the original art style as possible. I'm not the sort of person who's going to go play Skyrim and then add in

Thomas the Tank Engine. But a bear playing a loot, that is a very different story. That's true. I know Morrowind in particular, they've got the tamriel rebuilt project where they're like expanding like so that you actually have the main land of marowind with the island and they've put a lot of effort into like keeping the style the same and consistent

with like the content that's already there and i really appreciate that and love that point that they're like working on it and they've been working on this for like well over a decade now expanding it on top of it they've also got like hd textures that you can add if you don't want the old low scale graphics textures as well I think a really cool project when it comes to the Elder Scrolls is Skywind. Skywind is always like I've been sort of paying attention to that one for a very long ass time and

you know, rebuilding an entire game an entire different game takes a long time I've never actually played Morrowind I would like to go back and actually play it but I don't know how poorly that game has aged I've never actually played Morrowind. I would like to go back and actually play it. But I don't know how poorly that game has aged. So if you're playing on the original engine, you do have a few extra bugs, but it's really janky.

If you're going to play modern, OpenMW is the way to do it. It has a couple extra quality of life stuff with it there are some of the bugs that like aren't really like feature stuff that have aren't in the engine but runs really really well right so having the contrast between that and like the Xbox version, it's like, I prefer the one open MW over like the original engine, in spite of being able to like advantage of glitches to buff my character up like really, really badly from one. Right, right,

right. Um, I, I'm waiting for, I'm waiting for Bethesda to actually you know, release a new game I think everyone else's too Did you hear about the

what was it? There was a Skyrim Anniversary version they wanted to release The 10th Anniversary Edition, yeah Uh-huh I heard about that one. Yep. Did you hear about the new features?

Because it has new features. I mean, the expanded fishing and all the Creation Club content in it. Yep, yep. So exciting. I know, except, you know, there's been mods for fishing since the game came out.

Very exciting. I know. I still have the original version that i play with mods not the not the special edition with the creation club the original original edition in steam that has the workshop content and runs really really smoothly on proton yeah it's so weird that they re-released the game and it just runs completely differently in Proton. Let's actually have a look. How many versions? Oh god, there's so many fucking versions of Skyrim.

Actually, there are gold right now. Okay, that's actually impressive. I wonder if... I know one of them used to be silver. But it's gotten better, I guess. That's good. You can even play the VR version Which I don't know what you'd want to do Unless

I don't know either Unless you're playing like the original VR version It probably still runs really smooth Which I found really cool Because I'm sitting here like playing Skyrim At 60 FPS on Proton While also running a YouTube video Off on the side And it's like I like this I found really cool because I'm sitting here like playing Skyrim at 60 FPS on Proton while also running a YouTube video off on the side.

And it's like, I like this. There's something I was going to say about... Shit, I forgot what I was going to say. I completely forgot. Anyway, I originally played Skyrim on the PS3. I had that experience of Skyrim. And that was not a good Skyrim on the PS3. I had that experience of Skyrim, and that was not a good Skyrim experience. Besides, obviously, the shitty load times,

the PS3 version was... It was a little buggy, to say the least. Not akin to anything else that you find in Bethesda games. That's pretty standard. I mean, they even did really well to port the bugs to Switch as well. I had a

bug that softlocked my main story. So, there was a quest early on where you have to take the claw things, and there's the symbols on it, and you unlock it with the door, that thing. Yeah, there was one time when you just put the claw in, and it just didn't open. At all. Just stayed there.

You reset, stayed there. Came back, it stayed there. If you're on console, you can't just tcl through the wall either nope you're you're stuck there you're you gotta you gotta just wait until they patch it or make a new save file or do something go well to be fair i i didn't play the story content for the first like 100 hours i played that game uh that's pretty easy to avoid i know in some of the older games they like make you lose the game if you avoid the main storyline oh jeez so daggerfall was really aggressive about that apparently like if you didn't go and like do the next step in the storyline

you would get hounded by guards and arrested oh jesus reason yeah and i think they got rid of they basically encourage you to do your own thing in morrowind so you could continue to do the main story or forget about it and they didn't care so i think daggerfall was the one where they were really aggressive and they like mostly hands off with the aggressiveness and time-based stuff in water wind how do you feel about like time-based uh like games that are entirely time-based where it's like hey if you don't do this mission by this point that mission just doesn't exist anymore it works depending on the quest so there are some things where it's like with skyrim like you can just like start a quest and forget about it and come back and it's like sitting there waiting for

you for from an immersion standpoint really why yeah the convenience like we made it so that the normies and plebs could play it and like enjoy it it's like it's just a grind fest at that point like i'm gonna go build my house and then come back and worry about dragons sure sure whereas a time-based thing means like okay so how do i want to budget my time do i really want to accept this quest right now so it kind of puts more like onus on you to make a decision versus like pick it up and then forget about it later and like oh yeah okay i'm the sort of person who who sort of wants to do all of the content the game has to offer and like there's there's a lot like take uh take persona

for example if you want to do everything that game has to offer, you sort of, like, there are, there are guides for how to, like, order out every single day to get, like, the absolute best stats and do all of the content. And as much as I like Persona, like, that's one of the things I didn't like playing. Like, that's one of the, that kind of annoys me. Well, I know for a lot of games they structure it so that you can experience all the content but you have to play it multiple times to do that yeah whereas skyrim is set up towards like okay you've joined every faction that hates each other and um they still hate each other but you're the leader of all these factions now, so technically they don't hate each other, but they still do.

Mm. So, but here's the game, and go have fun. Yeah, Skyrim, Skyrim doesn't really, there's a lot of, like, weird immersion things like that, like, you can become, like, the fucking, the savior of the world, but, like like you still get harassed by guards like i saved you from the dragon give me a break come on it's like oh no i i i know it's sort of like a running joke with the game but like you hit a chicken and everyone tries to kill you but like there's other things like that like you sort of i don't know that i i i like skyrim i i like it for all its flaws and all of its like weirdness but

man one day one day elder scrolls 6 will maybe exist like gta 6 one day that might exist as well it's there's a certain place in my library where skyrim is and it's mostly for mindless gameplay and then there are others where like i've got other stuff for like more immersive like i'm sitting here for six hours and like just grinding out economies and resources just kind of like itching my god complex yeah i i don't tend to play games for that long but there's there's one game recently that's sort of like sort of got me playing a lot of it i started playing fauna fantasy 14 and man that game's really fun i uh i got to the point where i i don't know if you ever played that but the the class system's called uh called jobs so i got to the level where i could change my job and

you can play every single job on the same character um so i sat there for like six hours leveling up my my crafting and gathering skills i didn't even do any combat that day i'm just like i want to go hit some rocks and it sort of it i guess activated like the runescape part of my brain and i just i just played it for a while like why am i doing this what am i doing with my time i'm being out soft play for hours just to make a bunch of money on the grand exchange i don't even know what makes money in runescape anymore like i remember back when like maple logs were worth a lot and willow logs were worth a lot before like the whole the whole bot situation well soft clay used to be like one that made a lot on the Grand Exchange, and I would grind that out, like, a lot.

And I had a good stack of, like, I think 100,000 gold that I lost, like, sometime when I, like, was away and not playing RuneScape for a while. It's like, dang it, all my holiday items that I had for like years of playing, gone. Sad. I don't, I don't, I don't know. I never want to, I never want RuneScape 2 in my life again. I played it for seven years.

That's enough. It taught me how economies work. It taught me how, like, how to manage my resources. Apart from that, I don't want to see it again yeah i i'm the kind of person like so in strategy games i'll like work on my economy like i will i've brute forced economies multiple times it's like resources resources resources then once i have my economy set if i'm allowed to do that comes the army right

just steamroll everything it's all mine my brain is too small to understand strategy games i just i just i could never understand i i've tried to play them and every time like i don't know what's happening i don't i don't care to know what's happening. Can I just go and hit a tree? Let me go and hit something. Yeah. Like, I like... I do like small-scale strategy. Like, you're managing...

You know, like Final Fantasy tactics sort of stuff. Like, where you're managing, like, a small group. That I can deal with. But, like, the large army- army scale tactics like no i don't want to play this go away yeah well i i've kind of got like this like thing where like games that i play the most it's kind of cyclical like the kind of games it is so like at one point during the year i feel more like um the simulator type games the part, I feel more like strategy and then there's shooters and everything else and it just kind of depends on the phase.

Yeah, it's fair. I typically just stick with RPGs and stuff like that. There's some other things I do like, but most of the time it's that. There's a couple of shooters I like. The problem with shooters is I like like, but most of the time it's that. There's a couple of shooters I like. The problem with shooters is I like to stream a lot of stuff and I find that streaming a shooter

doesn't really work too well for me. It takes too much of my concentration to play the game at a decently playable point. A playable level, I guess. I've noticed some of that too, is way i've been doing marowind on the xbox is i've got my tv set off to the side and then it goes into the elgato and so i'm sitting here

staring at the tv over here and like i've got to look over at chat over here and then sometimes i hit that point to where it's like i'm just fighting something and i don't pay attention to the screen and sometimes it's got like four or five new messages that like when i look over it's like oh crap yeah yeah yeah i try to keep my chat like as close to what i'm looking at as possible i've got it like just off to the side of my main screen yeah that's normally what i do so i've got like my second monitor with like restream pulled up in chat and browser yeah and then obs right next to it in the master position then i my main laptop monitor basically has whatever i'm playing right right that makes sense. And OBS does this weird thing sometimes

where it, like, widens up the size for no particular reason when I select them. So, like, it resizes itself to be slightly wider, and for whatever reason, without me doing a keystroke, like,

telling it to widen up at all. Um. That might be OBS not being able to operate at that size without me doing a keystroke telling it to widen up at all. That might be OBS not being able to operate at that size or something. I don't know. I've noticed that when I open up Handbrake, I can only shrink it down to a certain size, so that might have something to do with it. I'm not entirely sure.

It's not that bad, being as I can still see chat okay sure sure do you it's just slightly weird what version of obs do you actually use like do you use like the native version flatpack what do you use um the native one and what think let me destroy you on on ardex currently oh so wait you don't have like the how do you use like the browser plugin to uh have embedded chat uh no i don't use the embedded chat in obs but oh have it set up to do it it just breaks on occasion for whatever reason so yeah so you are using it like a plug-in to like do do you have the load set up or anything like that i do but they break on occasion and um the plug-in is the qt webkit plug-in i think i've

been using for a while yeah i i I don't use the plugin anymore. I use... So the problem with the version of OBS in the Arch repos is it's shit. The Arch team have left a bug in it and just don't want to fix it. So it's a problem with... It's using... There's a web... A Chrome-embedded framework that OBS uses,

and the version that OBS needs is different from the version in the Arch repos, so, uh, basically the way that I've got it set up is with a version from the AUR that has, like, a specific version just for OBS, and does it like that, and then I get all of the extra, like the extra nice features that OBS has like embedded browser, embedded chat. I don't get things like the Twitch or YouTube integration because those rely on the OBS team's

like keys for those sites, which is annoying. I would have to use the Snap version to get those. And I don't want to use the Snap version. I think I started to set that stuff up but like i'm just like okay i'm done for now right now that's fair well if you're not gonna like if you don't rely on that being there it's not a big deal i guess oh i just find it i just

kind of use it basic are you saying something about an elgato before what are you actually using i got the elgato cam link ah okay i was gonna say uh so got one of those cheap 10 hdmi usb things it's like i sat there i plugged it in i looked at it and it's sitting there running at like 10 fps so i messaged a seller from ebay and i'm like hey this is a thing dude's like oh you just need to quit more application it run just fine i'm like i am not doing that i don't think i need to do that really you're full of crap it just dropped the money on it the hundred bucks on it and got that and it's been working just fine except for sound somewhat which might be something with my ca to hdmi converter i i don't use the sound for the cam link so i can't really talk about that i just use the cam link for my uh my camera

um but the the uh fps problem you had is, by default, it's going to recognize the color space as different from what it should be. In OBS, you can swap that to, I think it's like BGR3 emulated, and then it will work fine. I thought I played around with it with the cheaper one I got, so. Wait, so.

The Elgato works fine wait when you play games then do you use the obs preview to play it no i don't like i've got a splitter it goes into the tv and then into the converter oh there's like i think half a second of delay between like what i see on the tv and what's in the previewer so right it's just like uh that's kind of janky and i'm like i was planning on playing on the tv anyway because i know that's what other people have done like speed runners and such and it's like yeah like that's that up i had, like, search Amazon for, like, longer than I should have in order to find the right splitter because everything wanted to go, like, male to female splitters

versus the other way around that I needed. Uh-huh. Okay. You need to mail in to mail out both ways. What? Why? So I plug the console into the splitter and then plug the splitter into the TV

and then the other path that splits off goes to the converter as well into the computer. Aha. Okay. Do you want to know how my jank setup works? I use I don't know if i can lift it up can we can we get it no okay there we go i have a uh what is it called ava media

live gamer portable 2 plus the greatest um i was looking at those ones too. It works really nice. It's plug and play on Linux. It is recognized as a webcam. Anyway, the way I do my audio is hilarious. So there's probably a better setup for this. You can do audio out to the Live Gamer Portable and it's supposed to have a button to change the volume level. The button does not work um i don't know if it's just a problem with my unit or what it is so what i do is i send the audio into obs and then i listen to the preview of the audio from obs

yeah i'm looking at making my setup even more jankier by going from the splitter taking the audio lines into one that'll i can plug 3.5 millimeter in is the microphone and then my headphones in to the headphones you can certainly there's some jank setups you can do if you just put some effort into like you you'd be surprised but like how many adapters into adapters you could get working yeah well like i said my biggest assumption is that the audio is just messed up through the converter sure my converter it might mean buying a different one instead of a cheapo chinese one right right walmart sells these suckers like a little bit more so i've been thought about getting one of those which i still might if i want to play something like something older like that i'm just gonna i'm just gonna play it

on emulator like it's too much effort i i i get the appeal of hardware but like you know i'll just emulate it yeah well it it just feels bad because some of these just sit and gather dust and it's like okay can i take advantage of it and how else can i justify this purchase of a hard copy game on taxes this purchase of a art copy game on taxes yeah that's fair yeah I totally get that I just like the easy approach

if I can just like spin it up like spin it up a couple of minutes not have to deal with like dicking you around with all that sort of stuff do upscaling things like that I have a beefy enough computer where I can sort of stuff uh do upscaling things like that i like i have a beefy enough computer where i can sort of like where it makes sense ah well running a tx 1050 i want to do recording with game footage this kind of like makes it easier to do that as well and gpu is still

they're getting cheaper they are getting cheaper they're still a little bit expensive though yeah i would need to get the e-gpu set up so that i could hook a external gpu up right i was actually looking at our gpu prices recently. Actually, let's go to Newegg and see what they're like in the US. Because a 6600 XT is $900 here. But that's 900 Australian. So that puts it around, I think, 600. 6600 XT.

But I looked at, like, comparison. Don't show me the Australian prices. Stop it. I came here specifically for the American prices. 750. Oh, God, you guys are getting shafted. What the fuck? That's the way it normally is for us.

No, it's actually cheap to just buy a card from Australia and just have it shipped to America at this point. What the fuck? That include, oh, shipping? If it's free shipping, maybe, but... Yeah, well, I guess that would add to it um fucking hell but um

I actually was comparing my card to a 6600 and I was like hmm even though the card is very expensive is the boost justifiable and it's like the difference between my card and

The 6600 in some games is like 10 10 FPS per hundred dollars like hmm hmm My plan at this point is I'm probably gonna wait until the next generation of cards and if the cards are still wait until the next generation of cards. And if the cards are still insanely expensive, I feel like the difference between my card and the new card will be so great that even though the price is so massive, like the purchase still can be justified. Well,

if you're getting like close to the cutting edge, then you've still got like a good number of years you can go without needing to upgrade. Yeah, I got a RX 570 or something. Is it 570? I don't know what it's called. It's not a top-end card by any means. But it still runs pretty well. Yeah, it runs well enough.

How old is this card, anyway? I don't even know. When did this card come out? 2017? It came out in 2017. Fuck, that was a while ago. Maybe that's why I can justify it. Maybe that's why I can justify it.

But, um... I don't know. GQ prizes are still fucked. I hope they come down at some point. That'd be nice, I guess. Otherwise, I guess we can all just buy Steam decks. Yeah. Steam deck isn't half bad looking yeah obviously it's like slower

than what I'm currently running but like it's also a very small screen so you can justifiably play on a low resolution hmm I think but I think it's still bigger than the oh Switch screen too

um good question actually I think... Linus brought a switch. Switch screen... 5.5. Yeah, it's an inch bigger. Okay. Uh... Let's see... Don't argue with fanboys, Prot just as bad as cloud gaming what is this

what uh i guess this is just someone who is a yeah this is a um a very big switch fanboy noting the sheer hypocrisy of putting down cloud versions of switch games for not being native while simultaneously trying to champion steam deck using a wrapper-like Proton, also not native. I don't think the problem that people have with cloud games is the fact they're not native. I think it's more the local thing. I mean, if my internet shuts down because wireless broadband and I can't play my game because it's a cloud game, that sucks.

If it's on Proton, I can still play it. Well, even if the internet is working, there's going to be, especially with what's fucking happening today, there's going to be situations where your internet is just crapping out and you can't play it anyway. Even if your internet is technically functioning, I wouldn't want to play any like, any slightly, uh, anything, like, more

than just, like, a turn-based game with, like, a 200 ping. That would be unplayable. Hmm. Uh, it just kind of sucks. It's like, what am I supposed to do with this now? I can't do anything. I can run IRC just fine, but anything else, don't count on it.

Yeah. But hey, no, you, don't count on it. Yeah. But hey, no, you can go play some cloud games. Go play some Fortnite on Stadia, or whatever it's on. Yeah. Fortnite's already halfway a cloud game. You just made it even more

cloudier on Stadia. Imagine playing a multiplayer cloud game. you're just adding layers upon layers of lag what's the point i don't know how it actually handles lag i know i know there's a there's sort of two ways to handle to handle like you have the boomer shooter way which is you just let the game run 300 milliseconds behind and if someone if you need to hit someone just aim 300 milliseconds ahead or you have the

the way that a lot of modern games do which i fucking cannot stand i would much rather my hitboxes not line up than having rubber banding i can't stand rubber banding that like the second game rubber bands i just want to put it down yeah rubber banding is really janky i'm sitting there like think minecraft is one example that has been really bad at it when you're playing multiplayer and you've got like that lag it's like okay i'm all the way up here oh i'm back here yeah or like you dig a hole or something and you just get shot all the way back up, things like that. Rubber banding is bad.

Let the game just be slow. I'm happy with that. Actually, when it comes to Minecraft and digging a hole, my favorite ones is when the terrain doesn't update and then all of a sudden you see those dirt blocks come back up and you're in the same position you were in where you just dug and it's like choking now uh one game that handles it really well is once again final fantasy uh it's just like you know what it you want to have 300 milliseconds ping well okay your client's just going to be 300 milliseconds out of date with the server that's fine uh I don't think strategy games handle it really well

either, though. Age of Empires, I know, basically shuts the game down if it's too high and is like, hey, this guy's delayed really badly. Tell him to stop it. Pause is like, do you want to... It gives you a 10-second

countdown, like, do you want to drop this like a 10 second countdown like do you want to drop this player now because they're like not catching up i guess that's one way to do it just like fuck it who cares i think there are a couple other games like hearts of iron 4 that just sink and so you got someone that's like playing over here on a completely different timeline than what the rest are playing on right right uh i i think i think the there was one time where um i this was back when i had like like let's try to think of words first back when aust when I had like... Let's try to think of words first. Back when

Australia had like really shitty internet, I had exceptionally shitty internet and I was playing Battlefield 3 on Australian servers at like 200 ping, but it wasn't a stable 200 ping. It was like sometimes

jumping up and that that was that was the point when i quit uh when i quit playing multiplayer shooters like i'm just done like i i get angry enough playing these games anyway i'm just gonna find something else to play and uh do literally anything else with my time yeah that's literally like 90 of my um online gaming is just bad lag and i think the only like also at the time the exceptions are like older games pretty much and i think that's probably because they're like packets are super small that they're sending back and forth well also the way as i said the way they just handle their their networking is usually just don't handle it just let it let it be delayed yeah oh you just got these packets about this

about this player's position it's like cool like when you you get good enough in a game like quake you just know that if you're 200 milliseconds behind you just aim ahead and you'll be good yeah i know particularly for like some of those games like sometimes you start out like really like in a position where it's like oh i suck but i think there eventually comes a point where you're like okay i got this head head head head yeah i i uh i i feel when i play a game like zanotic for example i feel like i'm good at it until like the one dude who only plays zanotic shows up and it's like oh dt yeah he's actually surprisingly good at that game um i am surprised I'm surprised by how good he is at the various FOSS games out there but or like

I'll just have the server running and someone like Rando will join and it's like oh I've played like 300 hours of Zenotic like yeah I can I can tell I can definitely tell if you've played Quake 3 like multiple hours when it first've played Quake 3 multiple hours when it

first came out, Quake 3 Arena, and pretty much every other FOSS person shooter, space shooter, you've pretty much got down because that's what they're all based on. Well, doesn't

Zanotic even have some Quake 3ake 3 maps like they're not all original maps i'm pretty sure it does and i think synodic might actually be a work of open arena if i remember correctly open arena is basically the one that was, like, a direct derivative of Quake 3 Arena. Right, right, right. Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. I haven't played this before, but I do know of it. Yeah. People keep bothering me to do another Xenotic stream.

I should do one at some point. Yeah. See, I think Open Arena was kind of one of the first ones that i like installed when i like got on linux like the first thing i did was games games games what games are there and when you got i think this was before the ubuntu um software center too so so you're stuck with Synaptic trying to find games on it, which is a

marginally good, marginally bad experience, honestly. You're like, okay, GUI program, it's really cool because you've got all the stuff in one place and you don't have to think about it when you're coming from Windows. At the same time, it's really cool because like you've got all the stuff in one place and you don't have to think about it when you're coming from windows at the same time it's like something better comes

along like software center later on it's like wow well this is where you just go and like search forums to find stuff and you don't try to look for it yourself and you don't try to look for it yourself. True. Except most of the forums I was on at the time, everybody's like, get Linux, go to Windows, blah, blah, blah. Ah, okay.

And when you don't want parental controls. That kind of reminds me of the comment section of Linus' videos where he's talking about switching to Linux, like the recent WAN shows. Oh, yeah. Whenever he mentions Linux, like half the comments are, Linus, you have no idea about Linux.

You're a moron. Stop talking about Linux. You're wrong about this. The other half is, Linus, stop using Linux windows the best the best operating system go back to windows like no like i i'm actually really excited for this first video where linus said that uh in the winter he said that this first video is going to really piss off the hardcore linux guys and i hope it does oh i mean he's going at it from the point of view where like he's starting

from ground zero with no help yeah most everybody starts that yeah yeah and he's like really looked at articles as well which when i first started that stuff wasn't even like around like hardly any youtube stuff or anything i mean the most you had was like maybe the occasional tutorial like text the text youtube tutorials with crazy train in the background that's just a standard one that everybody did yeah the resources that are available nowadays are actually like there's there's places where they could be worked on that's sort of why i make my videos but honestly like what you what you have nowadays is actually really good like i can sit here and complain about the arch wiki

being a mess and the gen 2 wiki just being better. But at the end of the day, both resources are better than not having resources in the first place. When I moved to an Arch-based distro and found the Arch wiki, that changed a lot of things for me too. Because a lot of things were like, okay, search for it, Google it,

and this, that, and the other, and hope to find something that isn't a five-year-old article. They're now like 10, 15-year-old articles. There are parts of the Arts Wiki that have been left

to the wayside, but most of the big stuff does frequently get updated the only thing that bothers me is that like occasional troubleshooting thing where i'm going through the wiki and i'm like this is like working i've tried this this this and this and i realized i was kind of stupid and overlooked something and then it fixes oh it was really simple. I'm stupid again.

Or it's something that's not in the wiki because it was just, like, a mistake you made in setting it up rather than, like, an actual mistake, an actual problem with the program. There are a couple where I found, and this is mostly on the pine phone which is like super like early still in some things yeah like sxmo they're working on using sways sways a back end or in place of dwm for wayland and so some of the migration from SXMO to SWMO is kind of weird and it's like

I'm not sure what's going on but it's not working so I like do the script thing and like it goes through and does its thing and it's like I'm gonna let sit here and wait it out until something fixes at this point. The fuck am I looking at? I just found SXMO. This is like actually fucking peak Linux user. It's kind of the one where it's like,

okay, I like this a little bit more than some of the other options it's like, okay, I like this a little bit more than some of the other options. Like, as much as I like, you know, D-Menu and, like, the DWM. Look, why is this video not loading? I don't want that on my phone. Oh, here we go. Video's loading now. This is technically

a mobile interface I see a terminal window I see literally ST running on it this is ridiculous I love it I kind of want to buy a pine phone just to do something stupid like this but like this is buy a Pine phone just to do something stupid like this.

But, like, this is not a good phone interface. It is still very janky. Yeah. It works. Early SXMO people complained because it was very heavy, like, button-based. So you're sitting there using the power button and volume buttons a lot and then they added touch gestures which changed a lot of things so you can like adjust the brightness

and things like that with touch gestures now okay I must be looking this video they have on there must be an older video then because it's just like constantly using the uh the audio rocker that would be an older one then oh wait no it's sure ah okay no it it's showing that is still there but you also still have act okay you do have access to gestures

okay okay yeah i thought of using the gesture daemon on my thinkpad to mess around with it i'm still like not quite sure about that but i've taken the keyboard and like okay on-screen keyboard got that because you're trying to use the thinkpad in tablet mode you don't have access to the keyboard there are just a couple other things trying to figure out with that make it just screen stuff cutile so how is the uh how is the pine phone what is the experience the pine phone experience like i haven't used it as a daily driver yeah i have plugged my sim card into it so depending on the phone network you have to like adjust the network settings for your cellular network it's odd but at the same time it makes sense because some of that just isn't automatically set in even though it wants to be like to get data i had to change

the phone network name so that i could actually connect the data but calls and texts come in just fine Barely done like MMS, but still find plasma kind of janky even though it's the official like what? official interface for the pine phone and it's like I still can't get behind it I like fosh a little bit better than a plasma and then sxmo is just like the kind of fun one to play around with yeah like this this this uh i presume the the picture they have on their their website would be plasma then um this looks like a phone interface like that that looks functional it doesn't look like a modern version of android but like it looks you know a couple of versions old it looks like you can use it um it's usable for asma it's just kind of weird because the pine phone is still like

a low powered device so sometimes the applications take longer to start up than you want them to right especially when you're running it off of an sd card yeah phone specs are kind of weird to compare because i don't really know what the reference point is here like oh it's a arm cortex a53, what does that mean? I don't remember exactly, like, what that means, but it means that it doesn't run as fast as you would expect it, is what I know.

I kind of want to get one. Like, I've been thinking about getting one, just, not like my main phone, I like my Chinese spyware phone, it does everything I need it to do. But I think there'd be a lot of fun content with the Pine phone. Especially messing around with things like SXMO, for example. It's just odd setup, somewhat.

But it does the odd setup somewhat but it does the odd setup somewhat well it keeps getting smoother is what's nice so like i think way droid was the more recent thing that was optimized on it but like you can actually run your rather than using and box with like Xorg and having to worry about that, you're running your Android emulator in Zealand as a front end. And then it uses, oh, LineageOS for the image as well. You're not running this like janky app manager. You're actually running Android per se in it. But then it can containerize the apps. You're actually running Android per se in it,

but then it can containerize the apps, so it's like an app on your phone instead of trying to do this janky setup to get the icons to work on your home screen. Mm-hmm. Hmm. It's still very obviously, like, beta. Very beta. But there's clearly something being done here to make it work

and android apps run somewhat smoothly now on it too so now someone's got like an android build for the pine phone specifically they're somewhat being up on so what you're saying is i could try to play fortnite on it it won't run very well it probably no it won't i wonder if you could play among us slightly well among us is a much less demanding game you might be able to play it slightly well but i still wouldn't bank on it maybe you should go back and play like an early version of temple run then for back from like 2013 i would probably stick to the um oh portrait games because what i've been able to see land it doesn't wageroid doesn't work too well with landscape right that's it's just a weird way that like fosh is messing with it that it doesn't work too well with landscape Right It's just a weird way that Fosh is messing with it

That it doesn't tell it We're in landscape now Uh huh okay Yeah that That does sound a bit messy Um I don't know does it I wonder how you would capture the screen

on this, though. If you... I know it has USB-C. I don't know if you can do... Oh, wait, no, DisplayPort alternate mode output. So, you can do DisplayPort over USB-C, I guess.

Yeah. Yeah, it basically has the convergence dock that you can get into it it's got your ethernet and usb stuff on it right so i could go from that into my ava media or something like that yeah you can so it'll basically take the um external display that you have and then display that rather than the phone screen itself so you're using the phone screen it's kind of an auxiliary drawer you can't you could and then you've got the main screen where you're doing all your other stuff with the keyboard and whatnot okay because i know there's still kind of really janky yeah i know there are videos on the pine phone so there's clearly ways to do this uh but i expect it to be very janky apparently um swmo the wayland counterport to xxsxmo runs really well but i haven't been able to get that set up,

like I said. SWMO. Well, it's going to be under SXMO stuff. Lin Mob actually did a blog post about it. Copy link address. SWMO Wayalen version. Can we do that? Okay, so

the main idea is to have main SXMO features over Sway. So DWM config would be Sway config. D menu would be B menu. SVKB would be WVKB. List GD would be Listmenu svkb would be wvkb listgd would be listgd conkey would be conkey apparently

they're working on getting conkey working under wayland yeah that's what it says right here yeah i'm reading a ticket for swmo huh this this list of like software is the reason why linux doesn't have much support it's just like this this is just like a vomiting out letters we we named our software acronyms that's about it what does the acronym mean it's what it does and um the

software back-ended it is what does that mean so wvkbd is valent virtual keyboard yep fucking ncm pcpp is my favorite nonsense one i don't even honestly i don't actually don't even know what it stands for to be honest PCPP is my favorite nonsense one. I actually don't even know what it stands for, to be honest. It's like N-Curses. I hear you. N-Curses, Music Player, Plus Plus. Well, what is N-Curses then? Yeah.

NC and PCPP. But it's a really good NPC front end it is yes I do like it did you send something yes you did he posted a screenshot of what his setup looked like when he was writing the blog post too somewhere in there one of the links

oh it's one of the links is it okay that's annoying oh this is what it looks like yep here we go over on Fostadon oh oh god he's got a he's got a fucking ThinkPad keyboard

why wouldn't he have a ThinkPad keyboard I don't can someone explain to me the ThinkPad keyboard fetish I don't get it I'm not quite sure I think it's just a thing where it's like, it feels really nice and everybody likes it.

Okay. I don't know. It's, it's weird to me. I, I, wait, I don't think this guy has a mouse. I think he, I think he's hardcore ThinkPad keyboard and uses the, the track point as a mouse. I mean, it's not, a track point as a mouse. I mean, a track point isn't half bad.

For more precise stuff, I'm not counting on it. You want to play some FPS with a track point? Oh, I already tried Morrowind for like 5-10 minutes with track point. How was that experience? it's like playing it's almost like playing maru and on xbox except you're using your um finger to move it instead of your thumb i yeah that kind of makes sense like it it basically is a um a thumb stick just a smaller one, and it's in the middle of your keyboard. You don't have the luxury of, like, pressing the mouse buttons with your fingers.

You've got one thumb that has to span both buttons. Right, right. Yeah, that doesn't seem like a good way. Hey, maybe it's a great way to interact, I don't know. But it doesn't seem like a good way. Hey, maybe it's a great way to interact. I don't know. But it doesn't seem like a good one. I mean, it works in situations where, like, you don't have much space for a mouse. Other than that, it's, like, for full-time use?

No. Well, this guy was clearly, like, a hardcore DWM guy. So he probably does a lot of stuff with, like, keyboard shortcuts. guys, so he probably does a lot of stuff with keyboard shortcuts. I've sort of merged the mouse and the window manager sort of workflow. I like having my mouse, but

having the window manager stuff in there is also nice. I like shortcutting everything that I can, but being able to do stuff with my mouse a lot of the time is just going to be more convenient uh there are some situations where like a game like locks the mouse the only thing that gets me out of that is the fact that i can like switch the screen with a keyboard shortcut and be like okay mouse is over here now you're not

focused anymore game keep going doing what you're doing i'm gonna mess with is over here now. You're not focused anymore, game. Keep going, doing what you're doing. I'm going to mess with this over here. Switch videos and then back over here. I've actually run into some games in Proton that when you defocus, the game just stops. It just freezes. It's like, oh, okay, move the mouse back.

Works fine. It just doesn't want to run without our mouse being focused. And then there are some games where it just crashes when it doesn't have focus skyrim i haven't seen one like that that that would be annoying yeah it's like okay i'm banking on you hating me to do this so i'm going to save right now mostly bethesda games and so i'm gonna move over here then come back over here you're gonna die may as well just save and quit switch the thing over here and load up and back up again because i'm running you off of a sorry dusty anyway i've noticed that some stuff in PCSX doesn't always play nicely. I play with a PS4 controller.

Sometimes if I touch the trackpad in the center, the game just crashes. That's weird. I usually do it every couple of minutes. I will save state just because of that. But I don't know know i like the ps4 controller it like i i i get it it's it's small um but i i i grew up with playstation controllers i kind of like them i'm i'm used to the offset uh sticks at this point but every time i go back

to a ps4 controller i always just get used to it pretty much straight away. And then depending on the program or emulator, whatever, it'll actually take the controller and it'll just hold onto it. So you can defocus over here and still continue playing your game with the controller, which is really nice when that happens. Yeah, I'm pretty sure PCSX does that. Obviously it wouldn't if you were using the keyboard, but using the controller, because

you don't need a controller for your regular system, so there's no point letting that focus go. There are some things that are kind of weird. Like the Loot Trisst you don't always have like the luxury of like think a controller straight up as the way it works and i think wine has it implemented now built in where a controller should automatically work still run sd controller anyway for my mappings to do xbox controller stuff so that if i want to play dark souls through lutris i can so my brother downloads dark souls prepare to die edition so i set up a prefix in lutris for it with the fs hack running i can get it full screen without like readjusting my whole doggone resolution and then it works just fine pretty smooth the only thing left to do is make sure the controller works and it works flawlessly

if i wanted to play uh go back and play dark souls 1 what would be the best version to play i'd actually own it on pc i think most people would say prepare to die edition oh we do so i just prepare to die edition which i haven't like gotten very far into then i've got dark souls remastered on switch as well which i haven't gotten very far into i think a lot of people prefer prepare to die edition in spite of having remastered because probably nostalgia and partially like usually do janky stuff with remastered editions of games it seems like they both work fine under under proton remastered seems like it has a better rating but um yeah because i want to go back and play it at some point it's just i wasn't sure which version i know the original version of the game was jank as hell this is why people probably like it more over the other one but it might partially the proton rating might be partially due to some of that jank because i

don't think proton always adjusts for game jank but i'm just running it with the straight wine provided through loot trist that has the full screen hacky stuff in it too right right right right so what is this full screen hack does the game just not work in full screen otherwise oh so full screen hack is what steam valve does with proton right so it's that thing where like it upscales the game if the game is too small for your monitor uh-huh instead of like your monitor changing resolutions valve was like well why do we need to do that when we can just like create a pseudo window and full screen that instead right okay so fs hack was ported to regular wine that uterus uses in some cases as well okay okay ihmm. Okay, okay. I've made it. Everybody else co-opted it,

and it's in basically anything for gaming now, plus some other things. I didn't even know about that. It's really, really cool, which is why I would run some games in Proton versus using regular Wine, but since it's available in regular Wine now, I'll just figure out what runs best

proton or whatever i can figure out with lutris going back okay so this is three years ago with steam play approach on 4.2 huh okay there's just a lot of really cool stuff i just didn't know about i guess so now windows old windows games force you to resize your resolution hardware monitor resolution linux doesn't which is a win in my book right yeah there are games like yeah there is older games like that isn't there of course i completely forgot that was even a thing and there are some of those older games where the menu screen is a set like resolution period and so it's always readjusting

that resolution when you go back into the menu stuff then when you go into the actual gameplay you can resize it to like 1080p or whatever it just like is really janky when it does that this just simplifies it and says nah we don't need to worry about that that makes sense that might be why certain

games report like really weird resolutions with my window manager sometimes like they will detect the um the size of the the window when i first when i first started the game but not when it's actually full screen but it's still running at that full screen resolution but huh i have some games that like want that tile in it's like it comes in master tile and it's like okay and then all I have to do is full screen it and it's fine with the window manager yeah some games do tile properly I've noticed others are like no no what is what do you mean fucking 960x1080? What is that?

That's not a resolution. Some games want to float. Some games tile. Some games go to full screen automatically. And it's just weird. So like one example is Kenshi. And running through Proton will basically go in and set to tile. So you get like really stretched um weird aspect ratio stretching with

the intro stuff then once you like full screen it it's just fine because you have it set to the normal resolution always starts out windowed i think my favorite bit of jank was crystar where if you open it up in like small window, it will just say fuck it, don't care about that, we're running at 1080 and it will just show you that small window portion of the game. But that's just at that point. Once you've fullscreened,

never unfullscreen it, because if you do, then it actually will lower the resolution. So, um, if you unfull-fullscreen it goes to like a 480 window fullscreen the game, it'll be locked at 480. The option menu doesn't

let you change it, you change it to 1080 and it's like no, we're running at 480 now doesn't matter I know there's some source games native source games that do the same thing, where like it'll come up, well no this is when it loses focus it like shrinks the windows super hard down yeah because it'll start full screen and like

shrink it down it's like the ui and everything is scaled to that size and then you just full screen it back and it's fine it doesn't do the resizing thing at all so it stays at like 1080p or whatever yeah yeah yeah uh actually one last thing i want to talk about before we before we actually go there's a um there's a list that is being compiled about games that are supporting um supporting anti-cheat uh what's it called? AC compatibility list. That one. Here we go. I'll send it to you. Still waiting on that Halo.

Yeah. That's a while away. Season 8 for Master Chief Collection should be coming out tomorrow, which I would hope they did the checkbox for it so that it was enabled yeah I don't expect that to happen

I really don't but um there's a lot of stuff that's not yeah and it's kind of sad but some devs have said yeah we are gonna we're gonna look into it others like nah nah we just nah oh i mean 343 expressed interest in having halo work on the steam deck like the sooner they get that yeah because it's like that's a whole

market of people it's like i can take my halo with me they put the player base even more yeah yeah and then you add on halo infinite on top of it and if they're able to play it on the steam deck just means they sell even more because now people are gonna buy it because they can play it on the Steam Deck. Well, in that case, they might just be waiting for the Steam Deck to release. Which would be really stupid for testing purposes. Well, they've got dev kits, so they can test it themselves. And then when it comes out for the users and they discover there's an edge case,

well, fuck, we didn't think that one through. Do they really have dev kits though is the question our dev kits were being sent out a couple of weeks ago and some devs have have actually got them are showing their games working on them um there was a a chinese uh reviewer site that released uh released numbers on it. We're not sure if the numbers are real, but they claim they were real. And they look... The values they are showing

don't look ridiculous. Judging by what we know about the hardware, they look like where they should be. Got to look inside a little bit at the insides with the hardware, too, so... Well, make sure you don't kill yourself when you open it though don't touch i know make sure that you run away from the battery

really slowly because that's about as long as it's going to take to explode on you i know some people like sort of memeing about that but like the reason why they they were saying that is because they were covering their asses it was a joke and they were covering their asses yeah i mean there's some things where they had to like make sure that like okay just say this this and this it's probably one of those like legal or like not tech people things that are sane to say all this and so they're just appeasing the gods that be at like marketing or whatever and so it's like we know you people aren't dumb so here's how to do this this and this the video wasn't actually shot that well though like they jumped back and forth a couple of times like they would show like something i think they showed the thumbstick removed and the thumbstick was back on

the steam deck and they went forward again it was it sort of like shot the same way like the verge pc build was shot but just the guy running it wasn't as incompetent uh i know some people complained about that that watched it on youtube like linus complained about it yeah yeah i think lewis rossman had a couple complaints about it but it was mostly due to what they were saying about like batteries exploding and stuff then i think that's about the most that i've watched but that's pretty much like really the person recording it understands like the people opening it are gonna know what to do yeah yeah they understand the risk that there is like with the battery the only way to get that thing to explode is you take that

screwdriver and you like fucking stab it like that. Sure, that'll make it explode. Absolutely. Lewis Rossman had a video that he showed of one of his dudes. He borrowed a prying tool from him and messed up that tool. And so, literally, the dude's working on a MacBook and punctures the battery. And the battery just starts to smoke and fizzle. And the dude, like, walks away. Like... Okay, I'm gonna get away from this thing. It's, like, starting to smoke on me.

Like, then a split second, like, okay, I'm out, see ya. Well, yeah, like, you're not gonna die instantly, especially with a battery that small. Like, if it was a laptop battery, that's a different story. Like, those are very big batteries. Clearly, the Steam Deck the battery in it isn't that

big but it's supposed to squeak out a few hours of performance out of it so I don't know what the actual numbers are going to be like Linus did hint at them doing something I don't know if that's going to be like. Linus did hint at them doing something. I don't know if that's going to be their own teardown

or early benchmarks or something like that. I don't know what it's going to be, but I'm very excited to see, like, actual real-world benchmarks. Like, hey, if I am playing a Doom, how long can I play for? It's true. I haven't pre-ordered i have it's like it's really on the list there of things i want to pick up especially the way that valve has worked out the pre-order system is just like i don't know why people haven't thought of this before i think they've got their like bases covered for what

they're doing something won't run that well you can find a way to get to run or otherwise you're stuck streaming it I think to some extent Valve might find a way for like cloud streaming to work on it so that you don't have to do it yourself if you don't have the hardware for it I think a lot of people are looking just at just at the Steam Deck hardware itself but like even though Linux doesn't have like native clients for things like Stadia

it runs in the browser they said that we'd have access to the desktop anyway yeah yeah we can install all our favorite things on it that fucking reminds me I've had some people trying to justify to me of the desktop anyway yeah yeah oh i we can install all our favorite things on it that fucking reminds me i've had some people trying to justify to me that like the steam deck isn't actually a full computer and it's not actually running full linux like linus has literally

showed you running it kate like running kde it is a fucking fucking Linux computer. There's nothing special about it. It's a Linux tablet with full controller stuff on it. If you plug it into an external display, it will just run KDE. There's nothing. It looks like it's stock KDE. That might be early stuff. They might have changed it. But it's just running KDE. That might be early stuff. Like they might've changed it, but it's,

it's just running KDE. There's nothing special about it. And apparently that was for the reason for performance reasons. Cause apparently KDE has this thing where like, we'll shut off like compositing performance for games specifically. It kind of would have been funny if they just went, like, hardcore down the performance round

and ran, like, DWM or something. No compositor, just straight DWM. No, screw it. No DWM, just run Steam as the root XOR window. You know people are going to install DWM on it and run it that way. Absolutely.

I actually kind of want to have a look at SteamOS as it's, like, when the SteamOS ISO comes out, like for SteamOS 3, I want to see what it's like. Because I guarantee, like, I want to just see how fucking

boring it is it's an arch-based distro so does steam have the stuff to run pac-man for updates and stuff yeah that's the other part I don't know how they're handling updates like a lot of people are telling me oh it's arch-based like okay that's cool but that doesn't like people think that it being arch-based inherently means that it's a's cool, but that doesn't, like, people think that it being arch-based inherently means that it's a rolling release. That's not what it means whatsoever. They can make it arch-based and then do batch updates. Like, they don't have to directly

connect it by default to the arch repos. Although I'm pretty sure it would be pretty easy to do it, but... It's a simple matter of how are they running the updates because you know they have to do os updates not just steam updates yeah i don't i'm i'm curious what they're doing they may just have a fucking cron job running in the background they're just

they're doing more than that sure they would probably have their i can't imagine they are using pac-man directly i would assume they have some sort of my guess is they have batch updates they they sort of slow down the arch updates that come in but they still give you access to pac-man um but generally it's just going to be slowed down and they will roll in as they roll in i i do wonder sorry their option is if they have their own pac-man repos that they're pulling from and they just batch it out that way yeah yeah that that seems like the most obvious like the same thing that like manjaro does where they they still connect to the like you can connect to the arch repos but they also have the Manjaro repos. Yeah, you better make sure you have,

like, all the right stuff installed if you, like, go from Manjaro to Arch, though, because otherwise it's going to try to revert to Manjaro again. Yeah, yeah. Um, there's a lot of, like, really interesting implementation details that I'm, I'm, I'm intrigued with. I want to know what they're

doing because they haven't really talked about that like a lot of the for obviously so a lot of the marketing material early on has been very much like the gamer focus marketing material i sort of want to see like the linux focus stuff like how how are we getting this to work like what what do we have to do is it doing automatic? Is it going to ask the user to update? How are we handling this? Apparently, the Valve YouTube channel should have stuff coming down. It's going to show more stuff off. I'm not sure if that's in it.

But if they showed off replacing the SSD and joystick, I don't see why installing another OS or other things like that wouldn't be a part of it down the road yeah well obviously they've already confirmed doing that's going to be a thing you can do whether they make a video on it is another question entirely

someone will like day one there's going to be a video I wish I'd bought a Steam Deck because of this day one there's going to be a million view video how to install windows on the steam deck so someone actually argued this point on the halo waypoint forums because i've kind of been looking at it to check for eac updates and someone's like okay people are like well just install Windows on the Steam Deck. It's like, okay, you don't get it. Valve has built an OS that is

optimized for the Steam Deck. If you just go and install Windows on it, you lose out on those optimizations. You lose out on those performance fixes. Plus, Windows has a habit of wanting to take over everything just to do an update. I kind of like wanting to like take over everything just to do its update i kind of

wonder how like what the trackpads are being reported as like if you did install windows on it would those be detected as a mouse or would they just not do anything i would imagine so the steam controller when you don't have Steam running, basically goes into what they call Wizard Mode, which basically, because it sounds really janky, like not smooth trackball, but it basically does the keyboard and mouse input is what it does. The one pad is a mouse.

The other one, I think, was, like, arrow keys or something. And then the joystick was something else and just a couple basic controls is all. So you would imagine that the Steam Deck running Windows probably reports itself as, like, a Steam Controller, or, like, they would add an extra section for the Steam Deck and make it effectively do the same thing as the Steam controller. I would think so, but being as they have the dual joysticks and dual touchpads, they might do something different with one touchpad

and have, like, mouse click with mouse trackpad with the other, and then the controller could be a normal controller. Yeah, those are two videos that are going be like million view videos and i wish i had a steam deck day one because of that how to migrate your steam deck from steam os arctics wait sorry we can have three videos we can have how to install windows on the Steam Deck, how to reinstall SteamOS on the Steam Deck, and how... Installing Gen 2. Installing Gen 2.

No, someone is going to do that day one, though. Maybe day two. Anyway. How the Steam Deck acts under... Like, how the Steam Deck controller acts under Windows. Anybody that installs Windows on the Steam Deck I think is really, really dumb if they do it. Well, if the games run better,

it's like you're losing out on a lot by doing that. I think a lot of people are talking about it it'll like it'll run better just because like windows games typically do run like do run not not even every case a lot of the time proton does just run better than the windows title just because like linux is typically just going to be lighter well the other the other problem is, like, a lot of people complain that, like, their old games that they have on Steam just break on Windows.

And you can usually find something with Proton or Wine that will work just fine and run the game perfectly. Like, Proton, Wine, you name it. That's not something Windows does. Like Wine's not a... I think this is something a lot of people misunderstand. Wine is a Windows emulation...

Oh, it's not an emulation. It's a translation. Wine is not an emulation. It is a Windows translation layer. It's not a Windows 10 translation layer. Like it's made to work with Windows 10, Windows 8, Windows 7 Windows Vista that's what Wine is

it's not made just to run Windows 10 stuff a lot of those older titles that just don't work under Windows anymore will work under Wine they might require tweaking, sure, but that's better than what you get with just not working all together, where it's like oh, you just don't have 32- together it's like oh you just don't

have 32-bit libraries enabled anymore you just can't use this and that's one i know i brought this up in a video with like fs hack was like here's like a bunch of older games it's running just fine online it's marginal whether they work just fine on windows i am i'm excited for the steam deck like as the big thing that got me excited for the steam deck isn't the steam deck itself i do like the idea of a mobile get i do like this this idea of like mobile gaming as like a mobile pc gaming as a format. I kind of want to see this like grow but the thing that makes me excited is just more people on Linux gaming. More people to

encourage developers to actually properly support products. Not making native versions. I don't give a shit about native versions but making sure the game works in Proton. Not intentionally breaking it. Not intentionally using DRM systems and anti-cheat systems that don't work

or if they do encouraging these developers of those systems to actually make their shit work properly under Linux and most of the other portable things run Windows but this one, everybody's excited for like the Steam Deck.

It runs Linux. And, see, eventually down the road, Linux gets big enough, like with gaming, and developers will basically be forced to learn to optimize and do native Linux gaming instead of running through Proton. I don't have any hope for native stuff. I've never really cared for it. I'm happy for the games to run that that's my that's my end goal i i get the appeal of the native stuff but it's just i i think that proton's going to encourage less developers to do native that that's sort of where i stand with it yeah i mean they're definitely gonna have to learn to like optimize for proton sure yeah and i mean is it possible that windows gets dropped out microsoft is not

making a lot of mistakes so we'll see well that's why valve initially wanted to do um the whole linux support in the first place because they the reason why they initially did the steam machines this was way way back when microsoft was first rolling out like the the microsoft app store and first testing out universal windows apps and things like that like uh what's it called universal windows platform doesn't matter whatever it's cool um that was back when they were first doing that and gabe knew was like well at some point microsoft might go down the apple route and sort of lock it down and require you to like not i guess you don't have to use the apple the app store on or what is it called whatever the app store is called on mac os you don't have to use it but the vast majority of software distribution is through that center yeah and

it i can see them going down that route being as they're like okay now everybody goes through us and we get a cut of everything that everybody installs and buys i think that's why they're going down that route because it generates more revenue. I think one part that kind of will cut into it is with the Epic ruling between Apple and Epic where like Epic lost in like, well, you agreed to the terms. And so you have to pay up your 30% portion. But then the court also turns to apple and said percent in-app purchase thing it's too predatory you can't do that so i think it's subverting that they are also avoiding that like thing where it's like well we have to pay for license just to be able to put our stuff up as well they have to do that here with linux it's like in every repo pretty much steam is and free because the community maintains most of it yeah

yeah actually there's one uh kind of funny thing with um with with uh with with epic um tim sweeney initially came out and said well I really like the Steam Deck the Steam Deck is a cool device we're going to make EAC work on the Steam Deck there's been no word on Fortnite working on the Steam Deck yet or the Epic Games Store coming natively to Linux

I thought see it was forever ago Epic said they wanted Linux to be like top gaming there's been nothing for like 10 15 years on that it's like where's your Linux

where's your Linux love Valve does it and it's like all of a sudden we need to jump on that well Epic if they wanted to could very easily just decide okay we are going to make all of our games work through proton we are going to release the epic game store under linux we are going to make we are going to integrate proton into the epic game store and we are going to help develop this project they could do that like epic has the epic has the fortnite money to do this huh like if valve has the money to do it

they definitely do especially like all that 10 cent money that epic has it's like why it took valve going and talking to them and saying, hey, make anti-cheat work to even remotely do anything. Even though Easy Anti-Cheat was already Linux native, it, I guess, worked marginally, but they've forced to improve it because... It was Linux native. It didn't work through Wine, though. So the native version worked, but the Windows binary didn't work through wine though so the native version wine uh work the native version worked but the windows binary didn't work through wine oh it's still ridiculous it's like you know you're

getting the numbers on these and how many people are playing your game in proton as it all says no binary for it, so why? I have to say though, UE4 does allow you to export for Linux native, but whether it's good or not is debatable. Yeah, some people have told me, oh, I've brought that point up before, like that's why I don't care about native, because it's not just hit export and it's done. Like, you actually do have to go and, like, optimize it for Linux. People have told me, oh, but you can just export it. Like, no, you just can't. You can.

Yeah, a lot of games will just work. But when you get into, like, complex netcode stuff and things like that, it's not just going to work. Well, part of the problem, too, is is when you're if you're developing from windows in unreal engine you've got to like do a couple extra linking stuff in order to get that export to linux to work yeah yeah it's not like godot or unity that have a binary pre-packaged and just put in data files to make it run and go. I don't know. Linux native would be cool,

but I'm not hoping. I'm not holding out hope for it. I'm happy to just play my video games and be happy. As long as I can do that, we're good. If it'll run smoothly, I'm happy. That's the least I want. Well, that's a good note to end the podcast on. We've just gone past we're actually 12 minutes past 2 hours now

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