Tech Over Tea - Banned From Youtube For No Reason | Enderman

Episode Date: November 14, 2025

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Good morning, good day, and good evening. I'm as always your host, Rudy Robertson. I spent my day doing nothing but waiting for a drive-to-clone, so hopefully your day is more exciting than mine is, and today we have a fun guest, so it should be. How about you introduce yourself, and then we'll just go from there. Hello, everyone. I'm Enderman, the guy that was previously known as the guy that breaks Windows, and now I'm the guy

that everybody knows is a person that YouTube unfairly terminated, so that was an exciting week for me, and I guess everybody else that was taken down. Yeah, so when did

all this start? Just so we can get, like, a good, you know, you know, what's the word? Like, um... The timeline, yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's the one. so uh i think let me check actually because like i've had days glued together and i i feel like i'm lost in the sauce now i'm gonna check twitter and see when it all started yeah so i want to say

it was something around like the second or third oh yeah so i've my my the first thing that actually is my second channel got terminated on November 3rd and so it was my second channel and then I realized it was pretty much over for my first channel and my primary channel Anderman. So I made a little hoopla on Twitter about this. I called out, you know, the baseless termination and I said it was AI which it clearly was and... Then, five hours later, as I made and uploaded the video about my second channel termination, my primary channel was also terminated for the same reason. So yeah, that's November 3rd, and it was also nearing the night for me. It was a difficult night to sleep through. Yeah, I can imagine. So you put up that video, goodbye.

did, like, you assumed the things were going to go badly, but did you assume that things were going to happen that quickly, or was that kind of just out of nowhere for you as well? Because you kind of got the video out, and then a few hours after that, like, you know, everything was just gone. Well, so there was a little technicality with these channels. So, I assume the channel, my primary channel is going to live, a little bit longer than my secondary channel. The reason being is that I use different Gmail accounts

for my secondary and the primary channels. And so there wouldn't be the circumvention policy kicking in, at least as fast as it was supposed to kick in. And there was actually no circumvention policy. It was just the same AI algorithm just that misfired and killed my primary channel. channel as well. So, yeah, I expected, honestly, I expected my primary channel to survive for at least two more

days because I've seen previous terminations of other YouTube channels and even circumvention took a little too long, to be fair, on some channels. They take their sweet time in finding relations between channels on YouTube, which previously was a thing, but apparently now I think they're. they're improving their algorithm or something YouTube algorithm has definitely significantly changed in the past month and I think we're noticing it now

on our own channels being terminated so okay the second channel got terminated main channel got terminated what was the explanation that they provided initially like what what were they saying was wrong and was that the same explanation

for the second channel as well? Oh, first of all, I don't think you could say they were saying it. It was an automated email that appeared in my mailbox and everybody else's. So what the reasoning was, it was a Japanese channel that was linked to some channel ID, and the reason for termination was I was I was linked to that channel, and the channel received three copyright strikes for uploading some, I guess, DMCA content that was terminated.

So yeah, this was as much as I could get from that email. And the appeal obviously didn't work. And team YouTube, of course, ignored me at the beginning when the tweet wasn't super popular when the algorithm of Twitter hasn't kicked in. I personally think, honestly, I just want to preface this by saying, the blue check mark

which I have paid for like a year ago I think it saved my channel like honestly this might be the reason my channel is back up now just because it like gets the post more traction

so more people are going to see it correct right yeah yeah yeah I have noticed in the past like the YouTube appeal system whether it be for community

content or copyright strike going through the appeal system that YouTube provides is like you've seen it yourself in prior videos as well you upload a 20 minute video and then you appeal some community strike they say they rewatch the video it's been 30 seconds like you obviously didn't watch the whole video and it seems like the only way to actually

get YouTube to do anything is to make a lot of noise about it and get their attention through other means. Yeah, you're absolutely correct. But I want to mention that the appeal system is not just being rejected. It's sort of a hit or miss. So the AI obviously judges you during the appeal time.

And of course, sometimes it takes 30 seconds. They're not even hiding it. It's obviously AI. But sometimes you get your videos unbanned. I had it happened before. For example, I had a video called activating Windows 11 with Chad GPT that was taken down for the harmful and dangerous policy.

I mean, activating Windows 11 causes harm and death. Yeah, I think that's far-fetched. Like, they could have at least given a sensible explanation that made sense like, you know, hacking or like something at least seems somewhat related instead of harmful and dangerous policy. Yeah, right. I think we're going to talk about this later, but the YouTube policies are super vague, and it is a huge problem that's going to haunt YouTube later is I think the more people get terminated, the more requests there will be for rework on both of the appeal system, both the policy system. And that's going to be a big question in the future, if not now.

So, where were we, I think, oh, yeah, activating Windows 11 with ChatGPT, that video was struck down for the harmful and dangerous policy. I submitted an appeal thinking, well, I guess I have to create a Twitter post for YouTube to see me. And especially, I didn't have many followers back then. I didn't have a huge following, and my Twitter wasn't super popular back then. It was 2023. It was a huge wave of video terminations, at least for my channel. I was, maybe I was targeted, I don't know, but there was lots of, there was a big problem that happened. And, well, the appeal was granted.

After 30 minutes, my video was reinstated. So that's, I think, one of the only cases where the appeal system actually worked in my favor, and I didn't have to escalate it to Twitter. I mean, I did escalate it to Twitter preemptively, because I assumed the appeal system wouldn't work, but, well, I mean, I'll take what I can get. Yeah, it's nice in the rare occasions where it does work. There's a, there's like a whole mess with the appeal system. And obviously there's the community strikes issue.

There's a whole separate issue when it comes to content detection where you are seeing these people who are making AI songs and then uploading that song to like the DMCA checking system and then using that to strike things that are related to a sound in that song, even though the sound they're using is some generic, you know, public domain sort of sound. A sample. Yeah, yeah. Like, I've seen people getting

claimed for, like, using 200-year-old classical music, right? Like, you don't own that. You can, you don't have the right to strike someone for that. That's a whole separate issue unrelated to this, but it's definitely not just the community

strike system that is causing some issues. Oh, yeah, absolutely. It's the entire system regarding strikes, be it DMCA, be it community strikes, be it content ID, all of it is obsolete, just like the DMCA law by itself, actually. I've heard many people speaking out saying DMCA has to be abolished, or at least it has to be updated, because I think DMCA was enacted in 1999. Something like that. If memory serves me right. I could be wrong.

And it was prior to the intranet becoming a public space. The internet used to be a little place, you know, where all the nerds collected and tried to sell their products. And now it's more than that, obviously. It's a bigger thing now. That's worldwide as well. And well, so we have. a big problem with DMCA itself and we can't expect YouTube to fix it if DMCA isn't fixed but you know

that's another issue even onto itself but I think what YouTube could do right is review every DMCA strike using a human being obviously they use AI to review DMCA strikes as well so most of most of YouTube's complicitness comes from using AI to judge people and especially terminating channels using AI I think that's that's sort of

you know capital punishment in terms of YouTube imagine you were misjudged in real life and you would receive a capital punishment for that and there was no there is no possibility to appeal I think that

You could compare that freely. So I've had issues with content ID for a while as well, as I used to upload content with text boxes, you know, overlay over the video and some EDM music on the background that I really liked and also happened to be creative comments or absolutely copyright-free. if you include attribution. So the problem with the content ID system right now

is obviously copyright trolls, first of all. I get quite a lot of copyright trolls and my videos get their revenue redirected to the copyright troll because, well, that's how it be. You're guilty until proven innocent. in this case as well. So if someone complains about your video

using their work, your revenues automatically redirected to the claimant. So, yeah, I've had this happen to me like 10 times at this point, at least 10 times. Yeah, that is super brutal.

And I have to constantly log into my YouTube channel, constantly log into YouTube studio and check to see if there are any notifications on my videos that the claimant took my revenue and I have to dispute that. Thankfully, it's sort of an easy process and you can appeal it by just saying,

hey, YouTube, I think this is a copyright trial. This is literally what I input into the appeal box into the reasoning for my appeal. I think this has been streamlined over time and it's not a bad appeal system and I think YouTube definitely definitely has become a little bit better in determining whether it's a copyright troll or not

I don't know if it's their merit or not but they've definitely improved their algorithm and the only problem is that your monetization all your money that you earn from this video is escrow for the time being. So, yeah. Again, Bill tend to prove innocent.

Like the beginning part of a video, that, like, the first day or so, that's the majority of the revenue for most videos. Most videos don't tend to sort of spike up again after the fact. Correct, yeah. And this is exactly when the most revenue is generated. So I'm actually not sure. I never looked into it because I don't do YouTube for money.

I've never looked into whether copyright trolls earn the money during the time. I haven't been able to dispute that or not. This is something I didn't really care about, but it would be nice to learn, I guess. So I'm not sure if it's public information or not. But, you know, imagine your video was claimed by a copyright troll and three days passed and you do nothing about this. And then you decide to dispute it. Does the revenue return in full or do these three days not count

and they go towards the copyright troll? Which I assume the three days of revenue are being redirected to the copyright troll without any chance of returning to the original content owner. I mean, because what else would make this strategy profitable? Because I think some labels require payment for the claim to happen. Surely they must earn somehow the copyright trolls. Either that or the copyright claims that are not being lifted. So you're going to have obviously some where they do reject the claim.

But the ones that don't get rejected, that money definitely would then go to the person doing the copyright trolling. This has not happened to me once, knock on the wood. And I'm not sure whether there was at least one time. I've never seen a precedent where a copyright troll would win over. I feel like even if the system is 100% correct, even if the appeal system 100% of the time works, I feel like the main cash cow of such copyright trolls are channels that have been abandoned and still earn revenue as YouTube puts ads even into the unmonetized videos. I think if content ID claim occurs in a video, I think monetization automatically,

turns on. I'm not sure, though, again. I haven't researched YouTube to this point. So, when it comes to my channel, I don't really get that many of these. I've had a couple throughout my channel's history. Do you have any thoughts on why you seem to get as many as you do? Well, I think it depends on the type of content. And if you create content that's based around your voice and doesn't really use music, I think that's one of the reasons why you don't get content ID struck. I mean, not struck, but I mean, you don't get your video claimed. Yeah, yeah.

And I think the other important factor is popularity. I think that's super important, actually. If you don't generate a lot of revenue, I think they don't care this much. this is just going to be collateral damage if they manage to claim some popular YouTubers video is just going to propagate to other videos which use the same music

with the same composition That's fair Actually that's fair So going back to like the main thing That we're here to talk about The whole your channel being taken down When this first happened when the second channel was taken down

what was your initial sort of response here like what was going through your head when this happened well I'm fucked that was my first thought you know I'm not getting my channel back and I know that my primary channel is also

going down the drain so my first idea was to create a video which I mean I did create a goodbye video to at least collect my community together and hopefully maybe re-upload everything to Odyssey, to Rumble perhaps, to some alternate platform, and concentrate on creating blog posts. I mean, I would never stop creating YouTube videos.

I mean, no longer YouTube videos, but you know what I mean? I wouldn't stop creating video content because that's what I've been doing for nine years at this point and you know I love coming back to that every single time and you know maybe I would have figured something out and I really enjoy breaking windows I really enjoy creating you know some in real life content with hardware it's just it's just something that's really close to me

so that was my initial plan and then I realized you know maybe I can get this disputed on Twitter because I've already been taught by YouTube that the only proper way to get attention is through Twitter and it has become worse actually over time so if every person

that contacted Team YouTube in 2021 almost every person like let's say 90% of people who contacted Team YouTube at Twitter they would get responses they would get I mean you know rather human responses I mean, you know, you definitely still get responses now. It's just, well, they're definitely not human responses.

First of all, yeah. Any responses you get are not human. Second of all, I actually felt like I was in a do not interact list for YouTube because I couldn't get them to respond to me at the beginning. As crazy as it sounds, I'm a huge person. I'm a YouTube partner. I mean, they consider me a partner. I knew live chat wasn't a possibility.

You know, I knew I couldn't get fair judgment from the live chat because these are just support, customer support people, the staff that just, you know, seed falls open to you. The live chat is useless. So basically I made a tweet saying, I've been banned. Welcome to 2025. Can I please get justice? I mean, you can trace it back to November 3rd.

And I didn't even mention team YouTube because I knew, you know, I knew full well I'm not getting any response out of them. And, well, no response. I actually didn't get anything from them. And I think, I think, let me. check Twitter Twitter algorithm started boosting that post so my post

started getting traction and it was around like the day maybe a 24 hours or so after that post

was initially made I reckon somewhere around there yeah that's when it was hyping the mosque that's when it

exploded I made a couple posts actually I knew it was was the only right way to get some eyes onto this issue. And YouTube actually answered an hour after this happened. YouTube answered, you could say they answered promptly,

but this only happened because my tweet started really exploding, and I think they realized that it was too big to ignore. So then I posted the final video, and it started exploding even more. then when my prediction was actually correct and my main channel got terminated I had my community helped me out really really a lot they helped me so much they started posting things on Reddit I think these are the guys that contacted every person on YouTube to actually look into this issue and to be fair I don't think the YouTubers had

any other option because had i been banned had i been falsely terminated like this they would be next and i said this since 2023 um actually there is like a really funny backstory to this channel i've got you know i've got a long a long story with youtube and it's just uh you could say i was prepared for the channel termination and and this might be also the reason i got it on terminated so quickly. Of course, there was like luck involved. It was primarily luck. There was, so I would say it was mainly luck.

Then it was the community that shared it everywhere. This is almost the most important thing. And finally, I think it took a little bit of skill to know you actually have to spam on Twitter for this to be seen. Right. Yeah, this Like This got a lot of attention Like just

I know there was the video Who was it that made videos Was it Muda? Correct, yeah Muda was actually the first large YouTuber to Look at this situation Followed by Moist Critical

But he was a little bit late To the party because I was already Unterminated But you know No, I felt like it was inevitable after Muta made a video about my channel. Which is the crazy part. Think about it. Yeah, the fact that, like,

the only way to get on, like, the only reason you got on Van is to be made enough noise, right? Like, that's what happened here. But there's so many other times. That's the bottom line. Sorry? Yeah, that's the bottom line. but like there's so many other people that you know

they are banned like the good thing about this situation is it was all a very obvious connected thing so it was easy to say oh this is all related to the same issue but there are so many other cases where people are unjustly banned

where there's no way that they're getting any attention from that correct yes and Actually, most terminations aren't seen by YouTube and aren't even seen by the community. I was really surprised to learn people started getting banned for spam, deceptive practices, harmful and dangerous policies. They've been banned since September, actually.

That is wild to me. And these are patient zeros of this problem. But I was the first one, I think, to get banned for association with this Japanese champion. So it was a little, it was a little different to the policy stuff, I would say. So people started contacting me on Twitter. They started sending me DMs saying, hey, Anderman, please help me. I see you got unterminated. Can you please help me?

Can you please spread the word? And I've got so many DMs. So I started, you know, I can't leave these guys alone. I can't, I can't just, you know, pass by. And I started sharing all the stories on my Twitter account. And I even looked into the channels. I, you know, helped out. And they actually didn't do anything wrong.

They weren't spam. They weren't harmful and dangerous. There wasn't even anything close to that. They weren't edgy. They weren't making borderline illegal content. they were just channels that were trying to make a living on YouTube Yeah

Yeah And Like some of these channels in here Like I actually recognised Like I saw that Magefist was one of the channels Taken Down for the same reason as yours Like Yeah

Correct Yeah This was a mess You actually contacted me as well. He actually contacted me as well, and I promoted his post. And what do you know? Like 20 minutes after I promoted his post, team YouTube answered, a human at team YouTube answered and said, hey, we're going to unterminate this channel. We're sorry for what are you going through.

And he was unbanned shortly after. I think another, another. prominent creator that was Ceremonated is 1496 Do you know this guy? I think the name rings a bell but I can't think of the content He doesn't really upload

this often but he made some you know crazy animations He was I mean he was part of my childhood in you know of sorts He was you could say he was kind of

a person that made me interested in video editing and animation so yeah this guy was also banned for the Japanese link and he obviously he doesn't upload often and he probably doesn't even check his YouTube channel

so maybe he doesn't even realize what happened maybe he found out through news because I've seen all the news outlets passed about Anderman getting terminated but no one said 4096 So maybe Maybe the guy doesn't even realize he was terminated Well his latest video is from two years ago

Yeah correct I think he's a full-time animation guy He's working at some large company He's doing animation for them So yeah that's his His list of concerns would say. So did you find anything more out about this channel?

About this weird link that was made? Yes, actually people translated the name of that channel and it was related to Honkai Star Rail game, whatever that is. You know what that is? Yes, it's a Chinese gotcha game. Oh, similar to Genshin Impact, right? Yes, yes. Yeah, so basically, what could have happened

is that this channel could have uploaded a bunch of secret content from that game, maybe, maybe leaks. I don't know, what else could cause determination for DMCA? Right. Because, I mean, the company is usually got their way to strike channels down if they leak their... new additions or you know dLC something they don't want to show early so that's my assumption what happened to that channel and so the next thing uh i thought about was the ad sense link

so i i thought the channel the channels were linked via the ad sense account which was later disproved by YouTube. They said there was actually no link between AdSense accounts or anything. Right, that was the theory that I heard you put out for context purposes. Yeah, correct.

That's what, I think four hours before my channel got terminated. And so I actually I actually didn't ask YouTube about this, but they terminated my channel and all the others, meaning there was actually no link between channels

and it was, you know, it was an AI termination, as per usual. So I did delete this post. I did delete the suite saying it was AdSense because, I mean, clearly it wasn't. I mean, I think for the context, for everybody else, I want to say that AdSense is the thing that people withdraw their money from YouTube. people withdraw money from YouTube using AdSense that's the only way to withdraw money from YouTube it's a Google-owned company so

why did you initially think that AdSense was related the reason I thought about this was because you know we Russians we don't really have access to Russian publishers. So we tend to get our people to help us out. So I got an AdSense account from a friend, which resides somewhere in the EU. And it's my personal AdSense account. It's nothing to do with anybody else. So I thought maybe my friend was loaning that access account to someone else, but then I asked them, and that was definitely not the case. So, yeah, this was completely unjustified.

Yeah, so a lot of, was it all of the channels, or is it most of them? I know people have noted that a lot of the channels that were banned were Russian channels. So was this? Yes. Just a coincidence then, or do you still have no idea about that? I honestly think there were channels that weren't Russian that got banned for the same reason it was mostly Russian channels but I think it's it's not just Russia it's sanctioned countries so for example you see you see Iran you see Venezuela where they actually can't register

ads and they use people you use friends in other countries to withdraw money from YouTube. So this probably was like a thing with all the sanctioned countries. Not just Russia. Yeah, like

so basically a bunch of channels from sanctioned countries all got linked to this one Japanese account that got banned for copyright. Like, this situation is just really weird

yeah right I think this was in part with the algorithm update it was YouTube's algorithm was I guess improved in

in some sense and it was you know it was it just bugged out and linked us to this channel

which was probably also from some sanctioned country right so I mean Clearly, this guy isn't Russian since he knows all the insides of this Chinese gacha game.

Maybe Chinese people also use loaned AdSense accounts to withdraw money. I'm not sure, though. I don't know. Yeah, I'm not sure about that. I would imagine so. I don't know. Yeah. That would be reasonable to think.

so maybe they're testing something out like this is my idea which is kind of weird because it's not really it's not against YouTube's terms of services for publishers from all the unsanctioned territories to work with people

from sanctioned territories it's completely legal and it's been a thing since I don't know 2014 maybe Yeah there's always been legal

I know you mentioned there were some really big channels that people don't even realize are Russian I don't know where the tweet was

somewhere It was like one of the Five and a Crafts I think that's one of the ones you mentioned Oh oh yes correct i actually forgot i i went unprepared for this podcast so i actually don't really remember off the top of my head i know for sure five-minute crafts is uh a russian syndicate of

channels and as well as trum trum i know they're russian and i think they're um you know their enterprise is located somewhere in kazan i think it it's a it's a city in russia in central, not central, I guess, I guess central Russia, you could say. I looked into it way before everything happened, and it was just something that, you know, crossed my mind when I got terminated. So I know for sure these guys have been avoiding sanctions. I mean, not avoiding sanctions, but, you know, just using their ties, leveraging their worldwide, presence to withdraw money.

Yeah, I heard... Let me just look it up real quick. Yeah, yeah. Just so we're not linking them to the issue without having any idea. Because I... Look, Five and a Crafts is one of those channels

which just like spuse out content and the focus is just on whatever they're doing. I don't think any of the videos are voiced. I don't even remember. They're just producing slop content for views, basically. There's no voice. There's just, it's been a formula that's working for them since, I don't know, since the beginning of times.

And they've been just uploading square videos of people doing absolutely dumb shit, like, you know, gluing a banana to an apple. and just making a living out of this So I just found a company It's called The Soul Publishing The Soul being like The and Soul But together The Soul Publishing

They're They're They're saying they gather 100 billion Monthly views They have 60 platforms of distribution And 15,000 influencers in there and

as I can see now as I can see now they moved to Cyprus they used to be in Russia I mean no wonder why they moved to Cyprus you know why Cyprus is used often do you know that you know why Cyprus is used often

no I don't know that why well I mean Cyprus first of all it's a country where you can easily get a permit for residents. You can I think you can basically buy that. It's a country that allows lots of people in there.

And I think the taxes are pretty low in Cyprus as well. I mean the best the best country for doing entrepreneurship is probably Great Britain because they have zero percent tax. Again, like I'm, I have to Google this. I have to verify this. But I know

I know the basics It's fine I don't prepare anything for this show So if you say something that's nonsense It's fine You're in good company Yeah Don't take my word for it

Because I know I know for sure That Great Britain Armenia Are really great countries For entrepreneurship Worldwide entrepreneurship Because they're

They're really nice With all the paperwork They're really nice with foreign residents, registering companies, and so forth. Cyprus is one of those countries. It's pretty optimal. They optimize it. And it's also unsanctioned. So there we go.

Right, right. So, I know a lot of people were throwing out, like, other theories. Like, I saw someone saying, like, oh, VPN, IP matching, stuff like that. from, like, that's just old nonsense then. Well, we actually don't know how the termination algorithm works. So this might be one of the reasons why that happened. So who knows? If the AdSense link was incorrect, so maybe it was a misfire

regarding the VPN connection. Because, I mean, I have my own VPN setup. I have multiple locations. set up on my own servers which only my friends and the family have access to. But sometimes I do use public VPNs for you know

separate locations maybe like Indonesia or something and I did use China once so you know this could be this could ring the bell with all this Chinese stuff and the problem being

YouTube is connected to Google really closely. And whenever I connect to a VPN on my Android device, obviously Google gets the IP. It obviously pings the IP every single time. So it constantly knows where I am. So maybe there was a link like that. Maybe it was a service that maybe it was a VPN provider that she set up for this termination. But even with the check, but even with the channel back right now. We aren't going to get an answer. Yeah, go on.

So there's like a big, for anyone who's been noticing that we're cutting each other off, there's like a big delay. You just, you know, you just scared me so much. I thought you said, goan. My channel was gone again. No, I was saying, go on. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. A little bit of a misunderstanding there. So, um, I actually even forgot what I was going to say. We're talking about VPNs, we're talking about the channel, other people on the VPN.

Oh, never going to know what actually happened. Oh, yeah, correct. So the problem with YouTube is they actually never told us why this was a mistake. I know this is a mistake. The only reason I know this is a mistake is because. they unband my channel and so you know I'm working on a precedent system this was a precedent this has never happened before and this precedent was solved to my content and to everybody else's content you know everybody who was struck down for being associated with this

Chinese slash Japanese CJK channel um they got unband so YouTube actually without saying anything they proved there was nothing that linked us to this channel and this is the only thing I have to go off of and

it would be really nice actually if YouTube explained why this happened I think this would remedy a lot of mistakes YouTube made and will make in the future it might prevent all A bunch of mistakes.

Yeah, I was going to ask about the future. So in the past, you've had videos taken down for dumb reasons. Now you've had the channel deleted ones. So many of them. And are you worried something like this can happen again? I'm not worried. I'm actually sure this will continue. Because the YouTube algorithm is soulless.

And the big problem is that, I'm not sure if I can stir everything up like that ever again. It was a wonder that saved mine and everybody else's channel. And it also helped everybody with spam and deceptive practices, bans, also get reinstated. So I think the big message we need to convey is that YouTube needs to stop banning people. people using AI, I think YouTube needs to improve their creator support, if not customer support, at least be nice to creators. At least be nice to your partners, which are generating your revenue. And I actually know a lot of people right now, which are going through tough times because YouTube terminated their channel for like any of these reasons. Obviously, AI misfires, any of these. For example, let me bring up someone Who talked to me

Okay Like, meow, there N-I-A-L This guy is called So He has created a channel He has created a channel that Gathered 100,000 subscribers in like 10 days

And all he was doing Was upload Roblox shorts so that was the content that was hyping back then and so he earned around $12,000 in revenue and he was banned shortly after making a fortune off of YouTube so this guy is just 16 years old think about it and think about what $12,000 could do to a person that's about to enroll

somewhere, you know, this could partially pay student tuition, I would say. So they just banned the guy and it's been at least 40 days now past his termination date. And the big problem with the termination date is why am I even mentioning that is because once 50 days pass, your revenue is being refunded to the advertisers so this is another aspect you have to consider so if you get terminated

you have to appeal this in 50 days you have a limited time frame to appeal or else your monthly revenue is going to be stolen basically stolen there is no other word for it yeah um

that's not that's really like that is horrible yeah um I did want to say like getting 12 grand from YouTube shorts

is crazy like those shorts had to have been doing really well they have been doing absolutely bonkers uh I think he made 200 million

views in the month I'm not sure though and he wasn't even promoting his channel in any bad way he was just he was asking people

come on subscribe he wasn't threatening anyone to subscribe he wasn't threatening anyone to like the video he was just you know doing the same formula except for the game that was

popular at the time and I want to mention actually this might get me blacklisted from Mr. Beast or other large creators I mean I'm sorry but I just have to mention that have you seen the policy called sub for sub I think it's the spam and deceptive practices if you open the policy about spam and deceptive practices

real quick If you pull it up on the screen as well, there's going to be a clause that says you cannot promote sub for sub. You cannot promote subscription for a subscription on your YouTube channel. Incentivization spam, sorry. Content that sells engagement metrics such as views, likes, comments, or other metric on YouTube. This type of spam can also include content where the only purpose is to boost subscribers, views or other metrics. For example, offering to subscribe to. on the creator's channel solely in exchange for them subscribing to your channel known as

sub for sub content exactly this is the sub for sub clause of the spam and deceptive practice policy and let me pull up something that will get me permanently banned from mr beast community i guess so you can you can show this video on screen uh and this is uh the mr the the infamous Mr. Bees sub for sub. It's not the only time Mr. Beast has violated the YouTube policies. I mean, obviously, he's not getting banned, right? This guy is, no, no shot he's getting banned from YouTube. But regardless, he has violated a bunch of policies.

And I've looked into other channels as well, large channels. For example, Mark Rober. I'm sorry, Mark Robber, but. but this just has to be, you know, outlined. Please don't ban me off YouTube. Okay. So we've got this thing, which is, I mean, it's more questionable. It's not exactly deceptive practices and scams,

but it's, you could say it's just, you know, a sub-boost video. And it works really well. because both Mark Krober and Mr. Beast earned a lot of subscribers just by uploading such shorts. So, yeah, this, you know, this could count as an artificial boost. And there was a completely undisputed sub-for-sub

on the Mr. Beast channel. And none of the policies applied to them. So I wonder why. I mean, I don't wonder why, but you know, just for the sake of the video, for the sake of the podcast, I don't know why this is a thing, and I actually incentivize Mr. Bees

doing more of these videos because Mr. Bees is doing a great job, and both Mark Robber and Mr. Beast, actually, they're great people. They've helped a ton of people, so at least, at least such machinations are going for a good cause, you know?

Yeah. My understanding my sub, like, I understand what you're saying here, my understanding with sub for sub is like it's like like a lot of policies there's levels of it I think the

the idea they're going for here is you know if you upload a video that it's it's like sole purpose is hey you subscribe to me I'll subscribe to you

and it's not just like a one for one thing like if you get what I'm saying there it's like it's not Again, yeah, I guess the reason, the reason we're even discussing that is because the YouTube policies are vague. Yes, yes, very true. I mean, you could obviously just say, well, the incentivization of sub-for-sub is a little bit different than that.

But, you know what I mean? This is, this is questionable. content. No, like, this is, this is like... You could certainly say... It's one of the things where you have to sit there and debate whether or not this is the line that YouTube has. And that's the problem with the YouTube policies. You can't just say...

There, okay, there are actions where you know it's against the rules. But then there are clear cases where there's these weird sort of loopholes around them. I'm going to bring up something. I don't know if you know, because I don't know if a lot of people know about this. So, obviously, YouTube has, you know, policies against nudity. There have been a number of, let's call them, loopholes to the nudity policies. Nude yoga.

Okay, you know one of them. Nude yoga is one of them. There's also people that have... Breast fitting. Okay, you know another one. There's a one that I don't know if. you know, because I don't know if anyone's really talked about it. Um,

there was this trend a while ago. I don't know if it's stopped now on YouTube kind of caught on. People were trying on see-through dresses. Oh my God. Seriously, I've not heard of that. Has that been, has it been shut down?

I think so. Um, I know it was, it sort of like, went under everybody's radar. I've never heard. heard anyone talking about it, but for some reason my podcast channel just got like funneled into that algorithm. I never watch any content of this channel. So it is a, it is a prime example

like whatever weird stuff shows up on YouTube. Oh yeah, right, because it has nothing to go off of. So it shows random videos which are, I guess, trending, you know, in some sense. I mean, have you noticed yourself that the algorithm sometimes, you know, resets in quotation marks, I mean. So, air quotes. So sometimes when you watch YouTube, do you watch YouTube often

actually? Yes, yes. On your personal channel, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, what I noticed sometimes, since I also watch YouTube quite often, I mean, I did watch it more often before, now I don't really watch it because I don't have time. So

the algorithm resets every six months or so and you get like all the viewed videos like maybe maybe with zero views even and all the old videos show up in your feed

and it's kind of weird but it's a reoccurring trend it's been happening I guess since maybe 2020 I've seen that happen before so it definitely made some changes to the algorithm internally yeah I don't recommend

of the video the other day. I think it's a video that I first saw I reckon 16 years ago and just out of nowhere. I didn't watch any content similar to it. Anything like that. It's just like, hey,

you're Australian. Here's this video. Enjoy. You've probably seen it before. And I looked at the comments and I went to newest and there was just hundreds of new comments. Like, I forgot this video existed, this got recommended to be out of nowhere. It's just like, this just seems to

randomly happen. You see this also with, I get these other random videos where it's a channel with like five subs and this one video has like 300,000 views. Yeah, the algorithm is pretty much made random, but it's pretty predictable because, uh, I, uh, I, I think you've heard of the trend called faceless channels, which are creating AI slop to earn money. Have you heard of that? Yes, yes, yes. Basically, the idea is you find a niche for your channel.

For example, you create financial stuff. Then you create a normal video. You create a video, see if it does well. If it doesn't do well, well, you have to retry. And then you try again until a video. hits the algorithm and if it does well you're actually golden because what you do next is you just recreate this video uh like 50 times uh you make a video on a similar topic 100 times let's say and all this time you just make it cheaper and cheaper and cheaper to produce i think people on twitter actually

advertised this strategy um it's a really nice way to make money on youtube if you're actually going for it. So you just, you add AI to your workflow. Basically, you just try to make it passive income and you just pump money from all the people that don't even realize that it's all AI slop

or just basically regurgitated slop. I actually get videos like this and it's like, why, like, every so often I watch some comic book video and there are real channels doing content on this and they're very similar AI channels that sort of

try to replicate that style and they usually will answer some similar question that the actual real channel has been talking about sort of to I guess grab onto the audience from that actual channel

and try to bring it over to their thing Well, you see, I think this is one of the ways to cling onto some niche that's already been discovered, but they're following usually the Blue Ocean strategy where they're trying to find a niche that's not yet been discovered. And YouTube generally is unsaturated with content. So there are still plenty of opportunities to find a niche to spam on, a niche to ruin, basically, and it extracts the money from Yeah

and that's the thing with like the AI content though like it doesn't even have to do well if you can spam out enough content and look if you upload a thousand videos a day and each of them do like you know

a hundred of views right that's going to work out pretty well and there was a channel that was doing this well there was a channel that was doing this like a long time ago before like the AI stuff became super popular where it was literally just scraping stack overflow taking questions and answers from stack overflow but not saying it stack overflow just making the title whatever the question of stack overflow was and then taking

the answer to the question this is that I think that's been happening for years yeah I did see that honestly I think this is is not a perfect strategy. This might work out. But it's, I mean, you're a YouTuber. You definitely know a thousand views are roughly one dollar in RPM, basically. That's the metric. And I think it's not called winning the algorithm. It's called spamming the algorithm. I mean, in hopes that you're going to reach some people. you could do better I mean you could be more effective and the more effective strategy is to crack the code I mean not really crack the code but I mean find a weak spot in the algorithm

to promote your videos so like imagine you upload a 1,100 view videos and you don't get caught on the algorithm the algorithm doesn't catch you on but instead you research search everything super well, make 100 videos that don't hit, and then the 101th video actually gains like 1,000 X views than all the previous ones. And then you realize, well,

I made this video that is a clear outlier. That video is a clear winner. And I should, and I should replicate that. So this is going to be super effective because the algorithm is just going to keep promoting you. The algorithm is just going to keep recommending your content. So it's nicer to research different parts of the niche and trying to get attention to at least one of your videos to then promote your channel. So I think this is a, this all goes within the algorithm research the people are trying to do. The people, obviously where there is money, there is always going to be people trying to exploit the mechanism. And obviously, YouTube is being exploited right now by the faceless channels.

I mean, not to spit in their well, not to, you know, spit on their face, but these are just people that are trying to make business on YouTube. And I don't really blame them. Sure. I don't really blame it. I'm just not a person to do that personally. So they're the only problem this brings to us. normal YouTubers

which are just enjoying their hobby and sharing with everybody else is that they're saturating the market they're sucking all of the people's

attention to their content which is poorly done I mean not poorly done but I mean cheaply done done without a soul and you know just

done for the money so this is the only problem that occurs with us that's the only conflict of interest I would say and different people try different things and

the stock overflow thing you mentioned is just one of those one of these researchers trying to crack the code of the algorithm and see whether that's going to be effective or not and the faceless channels they've done this successfully and they're just

earning so much money. Actually, you can manage five content. Oh, my God. You can actually manage five channels at once like this simultaneously. And it's not going to take you six hours. It's going to be like four hours per day of commitment to these channels. And you're going to have basically semi-passive income five digits monthly. Imagine that.

That's six digits monthly. in USD. That's crazy, isn't it? So that's the current loophole in YouTube. And I'm not sure if they're going to close it or not. It's rather beneficial both for the faceless creators and the YouTube, the people who are running YouTube, because they're making money at scale. So does it really matter to them? It doesn't violate the policies?

Right. To YouTube, what matters is attention on the platform and, yeah, and basically attention on the platform and ad views. And if they can achieve more of that through, like, AI generated content, through whatever means it might be, that's what, like, they introduced AI tooling directly into YouTube, right? Like, you can, you can use this within the platform. now. So it's, to them, it doesn't act, from what I can tell, it doesn't matter the quality as long as people are watching it. And the problem is a lot of people don't actually care, right? Like, you can talk about the heart, the soul of content, the quality of all of this stuff, but a lot of people don't actually care and will just watch whatever they see. Oh, I think while you provide it as an example, you know, AI generated content, it's more of an edge case because, as you know, YouTube has a specific, you know, checkmark whenever you upload a video saying it contains altered content. I'm not sure how it affects the algorithm, but I don't thing in a good way. I don't think it affects it in a good way. I think it just weighs your video down. What matters the most is that you use AI tools wisely. So you don't really generate

content. You just use someone else's content and you use AI to aggregate it. You use it to avoid that altered content flag, you know? Because if there is no such flag on actual AI generated content, I think the video might get taken down. So that's like risks for the creators that do that. With that being the case, though, like there is a lot of content that doesn't get flagged. So, I don't know. Again, this goes back to YouTube. We don't know how YouTube policies work.

Yeah, correct. Basically, the policies need so much more clarity. it's actually crazy how vague everything is and it's more crazy to me that people choose this as their main source of income uh i personally think uh that it's it's such a bad idea to rely on youtube as your main source of income i hope you don't do you if it's not a secret no no no That's not what I'm saying right. Yeah, all right. So this is one of the mistakes people make

is that they think YouTube is going to survive, first of all. Like survivability of YouTube. In 10 years, it's definitely going to survive. I think in the near future, YouTube is going to be fine. But the question is, is your channel going to survive? And with all this AI stuff, with all these AI appeals, AI terminations, it really makes you think twice before choosing this as your, you know, full-time job, as your main source of income. And I actually used to have this channel, the Enderman channel, as the primary source of income for a little bit, for a little bit, when I was in search of a job. But once I did find a full-time job, an actual full-time job, I actually exhaled because I knew I wouldn't be able to get turned over by YouTube.

My status wouldn't depend on YouTube. I wouldn't be homeless had YouTube terminated my channel. So I was pretty much prepared for this. Yeah, I can see, especially from your perspective, why. you would be very concerned with that I don't know I

I don't know like it's it's it's it's one of those one of those tough questions where like it would be cool to do this full time but at the same time

I just don't know right and I from your perspective I totally get the concern yeah I did speak to a bunch of people a bunch of great great

people with lots of ties with YouTube. Thankfully, this tweet blew up and I learned a little bit more about YouTube and how the policies work. I mean, obviously, even the people who have really close relations with YouTube, they can't really 100% pinpoint why the video was taken down.

So this is how bad that is. This is how bad the AI situation is. Not even the people who are really close to YouTube can tell you exactly what went wrong. They can only assume. And, yeah, that's brutal. So I think one of the points for large enough channels, I learned that you can apply to a multi-channel network.

Yeah, MCNs have been around for a long time now. Correct, yeah. So this is one of the ways you can secure your... secure your well-being, I guess, on YouTube, because the MCN, if you apply to MCN, this is the only way, the only consistent way to get human support on YouTube. So we've been saying all this, you know, all this podcast, all this talk, we've been saying that it's impossible to reach to a human at YouTube, practically impossible without making a bunch of fuss about this. But actually, it is possible. That is, if you apply to an MCNs,

So that's a big problem even on itself, because not everyone can apply to an MCN. I personally got an offer from an MCN right now, but I can't really accept it because Russia doesn't have access to SWIFT. Russia is sanctioned. So I'd first have to figure out how to get a bank account somewhere else to then transfer the funds to Russia, you know? that's one of the biggest problems I hope I have to figure this out someday

so that my channel could be secure and I could get access to human support even at a cost of some revenue cut you know MCNs always take revenue cuts for their services and I think their main service the focal point of MCNs is that they have

they have access to people at YouTube they have direct access to human reviewers at YouTube. And they manage your channel. You basically, I guess, you know, sell your channel to an MCN. I mean, you provide, you provide them access to your channel, unlimited access to your channel, and you delegate all the payouts to the MCN. And they do all the work and why they're, what's their interest in this, you might ask. So they're basically earning money for, from your channel and they're distributing the wealth between all the, you know, all the channels

that are connected within that MCN and their early payouts as well. But anyway, the deal is if your channel gets banned, it's bad news for that MCN. They get poor reputation for that and it's in their best interest to help you. And it's in best interest of YouTube to help an MCN. So this is a perfect opportunity,

This is like the ideal storm of all situations that helps you reinstate your YouTube channel or your videos in case something goes wrong. And again, if a human reviews your video, it doesn't actually mean the video is going to be reinstated. So MCNs help you understanding the policies more. You're never going to understand them completely. But you're definitely going to have a better understanding of them if you partner with an MCN. And you're going to, even if you're going to explore, like, the avenues of borderline policy-violating content, the MCNs are going to absolutely help you. So it's in everyone's best interest to generate as much revenue as possible,

to generate as many views as possible, because that means more money for everyone. And it really hurts me to say, money. Money saves everything. And you have to get yourself in the system where there is a lot of money on the line. And that's exactly where YouTube support kicks in. The thing with MCN, so MCN's have been around for like a super long time on YouTube. In like the early days of YouTube, they were. were the way that you got ads

on your channel. Like, this was before AdSense became a thing that was just integrated into YouTube. Back then, you had to be in an MCN to get ads. I think a lot of people have been around for a long time. They have a, understandably,

sort of, I guess, bad taste left in mouth with MCNs, because a lot of the early ones were really, really scummy. A lot of people will remember how machinima was handled where they basically

were getting lifetime contracts on people's channels where you were basically contracting out to them for 99 years and you couldn't do anything about it without like buying out the contract so since black what oh okay oh sorry go on go on

sorry it's just a big delay so a lot of people because of that have I guess naturally migrated away from this model and the idea of an MCN is definitely nowhere near as popular as it used to be. Yeah, I think you mentioned, and I think you explained it super well, the MCNs used to be a huge scam back in the day. And even in, you know, 2017, 2018, my friend, Siam Alam, I guess you could say. He used to be a prominent malware YouTuber. He used to crank lots of views. He got he got sponsorships and so forth. And he was invited to an MCN. And so he warned me because he read the

contract really thoroughly. And he warned me of all the dangers of it. He told me it was basically a scam to own his channel. So yeah, even in 2017, 2018, back when AI wasn't as prominent and back when there wasn't AI moderation too much AI moderation I should say it was definitely not worth it at all but it seems like we're circling back Hello? Hello? Hi

Hello? Okay, I can hear you Oh, you're back. What happened? I couldn't hear you. That sometimes happens um it's fine oh i i could hear you yeah yeah then i couldn't hear you though um i don't know how happened that happens sometimes discord's weird anyway okay that's weird yeah sorry um so where where did we stop where did we stop when did it cut out i i don't actually remember now um no i mean i mean i remember the talking points but you just go back over what you were saying Okay. So I think this is, at this point we're circling back to times where MCNs are actually the way to go now. Think about it. So obviously you have to look at the contract you're signing because MCNs, obviously, they have their best interest in mind and not yours. And it also depends on the revenue cut you get.

Depending on how large you are, you're definitely going to get some lax cuts. For example, you're going to get 10% a 10% fee, or maybe even a 5% fee. That's also a possibility if you're large enough. So it really depends on the MCN you're signing up with, signing contract with, I guess. And it also depends on your use case. So, like, if you've been targeted by you. YouTube before, or if you're making borderline policy-violating content, I think MCNs are definitely like a way to go, which I mean, saying this is crazy, but these are the times we're living in.

So the MCNs maybe will make a comeback in the future. I also want to say that... Oh, okay. So I also want to, yeah, the delay is kind of killing us. So I want to say that MCNs are also having it the hard way. And all the up-and-coming MCNs, which are absolutely for sure managing huge channels, which have upwards to 20 million subscribers, upwards to 30 million subscribers, they are having a really hard time registering within YouTube.

And the current MCNs, they're basically the only. ones that exist and it's really, really difficult to register one now. It's practically impossible because there is only one form that allows you to register an MCN at YouTube. It's called a CSP intake form. Literally, that's how it's called, CSP intake form. You fill out all the, you fill out all the text boxes basically. You tell them about your company, you tell why giving you permission through access a CMS, a content management system at YouTube, will make YouTube a better platform. And every six months, they check this form and they say, hey, fuck you, basically.

That's how it is in 2025. So it is impossible to register in MCN and 2025. That's what I'm basically saying. Right, right. I don't know. Maybe there's going to be a resurgence. I know that YouTube's always, I mean not always, but at least as of the past couple of years,

they've been really weird with malware-related content. Like, oh, absolutely. Like, taking apart malware or even just warning people of there being malware somewhere, YouTube is like, hey, Don't even talk about that.

I think it's not really a question of don't talk about malware. I think it's a question of keywords. So, for example, I had a video called Don't Use Download.com, get terminated off of YouTube. It's a video that basically shows me downloading malware from download.com.

from a supposedly reputable source of software and it was taken down I believe for the word download in it I think I personally think the keyword download in the title terminated this video because it's termination the reason being the reason I think that is because I had a video on my secondary channel we used to have a local meme a running local meme in our Discord server with the word download

I don't know it was just kind of funny we were forcing it you know download this download that and so I uploaded a video called download not just download

but downloading tutorial basically and it was also struck down for harmful and dangerous policy so that's that's what made me believe that the keyword download is considered high risk

in the YouTube's termination algorithm. I guess that makes sense to a lot of... Like you're going to see a lot of like download Fortnite sheets, download cracked

software. Yeah, I can see why that might be a might be like a high risk word. It's stupid, but I can see why it would do. Yes, exactly. This is why this is my running theory right now, is that there are high-risk keywords that you, I guess, shouldn't really put in your title or in your description, even.

Because as far as I know, all that YouTube staff check is metadata. Basically, they check your description of the video. They check your title of the video. They don't actually watch the video because it will be too bothersome. I mean, I believe that. Imagine the video is like 10 hours long. Are they actually going to watch that? I mean, you could make an argument. The policy violations always come with timestamps. And I mean, actually not always. No, policy violations don't usually. Usually copyright claims do.

They always do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the content ID claims. Yeah, yeah. yeah the policy is sometimes i've seen some person get terminated for the new some person's video let me clarify got terminated for the nudity policy and there was a timestamp that showed where the person was nude a k. there was a face of a woman uh just a face of a woman no cleavage no nothing so basically yeah okay and there was like two seconds two seconds of the video get flagged for nudity and it was considered a violation the video was

struck down. So, yeah. But anyways, the harmful and dangerous policy, at least for me, it didn't specify any timestamps. So imagine the video is 40 minutes long, let's say. Nobody's going to watch that, obviously. Obviously nobody's going to watch that. It's too time consuming. It's, it doesn't make sense on a scale. So they're just looking at metadata, and you have to be really careful with your titles and descriptions. And you have to make sure. sure to not include the high-risk words and it just you know it's a it's a matter of us reversing the termination algorithm throughout all the bad things that has done to us so we only can assume what happens on the back end for YouTube but I can tell

with a high degree of confidence, this is how it works. And I also want to note something else important is that my last three videos got terminated the moment they got picked up by the algorithm. So let's say the video was unpopular at first. It had like 10,000 views. I mean, for my channel, it's rather low. It's a low metric. And then immediately started gaining traction. It started getting 20,000 views per day, 40,000 views per day. And the next day, I see it's gone. It's been terminated for the violation of the harmful and dangerous policy. And it's been like this for the past three times. I got my video taken down. So that's something to look out for. I think the algorithm, the recommendation

algorithm, and the termination algorithm they're very close together and maybe that's actually the same algorithm that's recommending and terminating channels. Yet

there's it's so hard to say what is happening on YouTube. Every time I feel like I have a good understanding of what is going on something comes out of left field that just says nope

good luck yep who knows you get an exception you get an exception of the rule that you made up in your mind because this is a black box the YouTube's algorithm is a black box

for a good reason first of all I should say for a good reason it's a black box but it could be made just a little bit more transparent at least for the reasoning why the channels and the videos get terminated it would definitely

be a great thing. On that note what would you like to see change policy-wise like would you like and more of an explanation on what was being flagged or what ideas do you have? I think my

idea is financially ruining for YouTube but I think YouTube should hire a support team for the not just outsource the support team I mean regardless let's just say even if they hire a team domestically or if they outsource the team which I believe they don't really trust they should give them access to reinstating videos without having them to be slapped on the wrist for doing so well I believe there is like a punishment system for this support team team, which causes the conflict of interest.

For example, let's say some video gets banned, the support person is more likely to not unblock it, rather, because if they do unblock it and it's actually correctly blocked, they probably get kicked out of their job or something. so they get fired for unblocking someone else's video I believe this is what's happening on the outsourced team they're hiring right now I think there should be more trust put into these people and I think the punishment system is a little bit

too aggressive at this point I actually think the best thing would be at least like let's say we omit small creators because there are too many small creators at least everybody who's been on YouTube for at least 10 years or has been a partner of YouTube for at least like two years that's a good place to start you know sure sure they should they should get a personal assistant they should get a personal manager that would help them undo all the harm that was done

why you said this will be financially ruining because yes two year partners are probably a few million channels at this point correct exactly so

this is going to probably make YouTube not profitable yeah so this is never happening but this is my main idea and I think anyone else's idea to help this, to help remedy this situation.

Of course, that's not happening. So all we can realistically hope that happens is that the policies get cleared up a little bit more and I guess the AI algorithm get improved. That's literally the only thing we can hope for. and maybe though they're getting a lot of termination notices

for the channels I think they're terminating 5 million they terminated 5 million channels in 2025 as far as I recall correctly well a lot of those channels like you know YouTube does legitimately have channels that should be terminated

you know you see these like channels that get taken over and they're like you know it's like a channel that hasn't uploaded eight years and then it gets taken over and then turned into a 24-hour Tesla crypto blah you know you've seen the street NFT scam yeah yeah yeah I've seen that they're getting hacked and then that used as an NFT scam a platform so yeah I think yes this this cannot be possibly validated by human.

Not every termination can be validated by human. But at least, at least, let's say we don't get a manager. All the channels that have been with YouTube for at least, like, let's say, two years. They've been with YouTube and they've been monetized with YouTube for a long time. And they've been like good sport. YouTube worked with them and they're being active. So regardless, if they're hacked or not, I think this is the type of channels

that should be redirected to a human team for an actual, you know, for an actual review, an actual human review, which we're definitely lacking right now in 2025. And I think this is, it's not going to financially kill YouTube

to do that because all these trusted channels air quotes trusted channels they are not a lot of them I'm sure they're only like 100,000 of them let's say and

a human team that will receive at least 50 termination notices per day I don't think it would be overloaded I don't think they would work overtime or anything. I don't think it would be a big problem for YouTube to involve a team, at least for channel terminations,

because AI terminating channels is the last thing we want. Video terminations, sure. Let it be. That's absolutely understandable why they're using AI there. Though I can definitely suggest something else for the video termination problem. I think once the video is appealed through, I guess, let's say, through normal means, through the YouTube appeal, which is also reviewed by AI, or the Twitter appeal, aka make a bunch of noise and hope everybody notices that and spreads the word.

I think that video should be whitelisted forever. From this point on, this video should be whitelisted from this certain policy. until it's updated, or something happens on the YouTube side to not like this video anymore, if they apply some new policy retroactively, which, I mean, I understand if they would do something like that. I don't know, when it comes to retroactive policies, this is a big issue, because you can have a channel that's uploading videos within policy, they'd change the policy later, and then those old videos are now inviting. of the policy. This creates a problem. Like, I think, I think one thing that would really help is if a video is over a certain age, let's say it's been on the platform for six months or whatever, whatever number it is. I think YouTube shouldn't strike the video. Like, you shouldn't get a strike for an old video. I do think they should say this video is no longer within policy. This is going to be removed. But I think, I think, I think, Giving you a strike for an old video, that's caused so many problems in the past.

And I do wish YouTube would stop doing that. I actually like the way you're thinking. Yes, this might be a real good suggestion for YouTube to consider. Well, let's say not really six months. Whatever the number is. That's a small time frame. Yeah, yeah. I think it all really depends on, you know, you.

YouTube's willingness to fix this problem, which there is none at this moment, as you can see. And, yeah, so, I mean, we could gather up together with all the large YouTubers, all the small YouTubers and maybe come to consensus what would be fair and what would not be fair to the channels, channel creators. So, yeah, that is a really good suggestion, which. I will definitely approve If I were in YouTube The one strike I have in my channel

Is From a I uploaded the video On YouTube DL And I think a year After the video was uploaded It was like Ah, that's in violation of the policy

And it wasn't the only There's videos on YouTube right now About YouTube DL But A bunch of just random videos on the tool Just got striked and I still to this day don't know what caused it

Oh, I think the reason they're striking down the YouTube DL videos Which actually spoke to a person I don't understand why it was random Because there was still tons of videos On the tool on the platform They were even older than my video

So We're going back to the Mr. Beast situation So They're Yeah So the YouTube moderation is two-faced. It's quite obvious, I think, by this point. And you're never going to get treated fairly. And for example, another example of mine, I had a video called activating Windows 95

with chat GPT. And it made its way into mainstream media. Everybody supported it. It was a great video, but it was struck down for the harmful and dangerous policy. And a human at YouTube, which I managed to find a human at YouTube he he told me that the video was struck down because it shows how to get access

unauthorized access to paid media or paid content so I mean while Windows 95 is paid surely that's an exception to the rule yeah and

it should be I agree I logically I understand why the policy was applied but I do think that's stupid so yeah there are some edge cases

let's say on all the policies there are edge cases that should be reviewed by human including watching the video but of course that's not happening. And most of the videos that were showing the Windows 95 key generation algorithm and even the reversal of the license manager of Windows 95, they remained on YouTube.

And I was the only one that got shrug down. So it's, again, it's like the two-phase YouTube moderation, not the algorithm, it's the double standards, they're commonplace. They're everywhere. While some channels get terminated for spam and deceptive practices, rightfully so, the other channels that should get terminated for the same thing, they never get terminated because they are either owned by some large media company, oh, nepotism, of course, or they're being overlooked somehow, for some reason it's a really bad system and it's kind of rotten to the core i would say but what can we do about this we can do nothing about this because we're at the mercy of youtube gods to just you know

live and enjoy the platform which i think the only way to fix this all is to create a youtube alternative that there is no other option literally no other option to save this many times it's just people really like it's impossible yeah it's so hard to move any the only way you can move people to a new platform is providing a different providing something of value in a different way this is why ticot popped off as much as it did it's not just video content it's short form vertical content youtube wasn't doing this when ticot came out and this is Like, this is the reason why any platform does well. It doesn't just provide what another platform is doing.

It manages to cut a wedge into the market and provide its own separate value. While I do agree with this, I think, of course, there is some value brought to the market by exploring some, you know, undiscovered forms of content, which is, I mean, yeah, that's obvious as a lot of, going to pop off. Sure, sure, sure. There are some examples like Twitch and Mixer. Do you know the platform called Mixer? I think it was Mixer, right?

Yes, yes, yes. There is a platform called Kick as well. Yes. So, the only reason... This is a fair exception. Yeah, okay.

The only reason these companies did so well is because they had investments from large companies, other large corporations that wanted their... cut of a pie. So they tried...

You might know that Twitch is owned by Amazon. You know that, right? So, yeah, Microsoft decided to enter this market, the streaming market, with their new platform called Mixer. And I think that failed. I'm not sure. I think it closed down.

It failed really badly. The issue that Mixer had is they brought maybe like three or four big creators over and thought that would be enough to justify everyone else coming over and it just didn't work. Facebook did the same thing with Facebook gaming. They tried to compete in the streaming space as well

and it just didn't work. I think the difference with kick is because it is literally just... There's a couple of differences with kick. Like With Facebook gaming Like with Mixer They also had massive investment

Because it's owned by a gambling company They went really hard Sorry Which gambling company Steak Steak owns kick Oh really Wow

Yeah I didn't know that It's kind of like a big part of the reason Why some people don't like them But anyway, not important right now. They have a lot of money. That's the important part. What they did is they hired a lot of...

They got a lot of people to come over. But they didn't do... I believe a lot of them, they didn't do exclusive contracts. So people are on both Twitch and Kick. And this allowed people to sort of funnel people over a bit more than otherwise. Also, they're offering better cuts than Twitch offers, which entices more streamers to go over there. Like, Twitch takes, I think it's a 50, 55?

I think it's now 70, isn't it? Oh, sorry, I'm thinking of YouTube. YouTube takes a 50. Twitch is 70. Yes, yes. I think YouTube is not 50. I think YouTube is 55. Yeah, okay.

I know it's not around number. Yeah, okay, okay. Sorry, it's got a number confusing my head. Twitch takes a 70% cut. So if you just don't take a 70% cut because, you know, you can run the platform as a lost leader, you can justify and like sort of encourage streamers to come over and this allows people to like naturally build the platform.

I think kick is a very good exception to what I was saying where usually platforms that are just doing what the other platform was doing don't tend to work. kick i would say yeah definitely an exception uh yeah at this point you can literally just make another platform i mean it's going to be a question of an initial investment from some large company this is how it works in 2025 again which uh that's i don't i don't think it's right i don't think it's right we need a huge investment to start a company uh nowadays from like some large corporation we need some large corporation to back us

but at this point you can literally create a streaming platform that would take a 69% cut nice you could take a 69% cut and still be more enticing than Twitch because Twitch because Amazon shot their own leg

by increasing or well decreasing the amount of revenue the streamers can make or well I I mean, they advertised it as remaining. They are advertised that the revenue isn't going to change because we're just going to show more ads into your streams. Everybody's going to watch so many ads.

They're going to puke, but at least you're going to make the same amount of money. But regardless, it's clear that Twitch is kind of dying off. I mean, it's not close to completely dying off, but it's recessing really badly. I think Amazon doesn't really care about Twitch. Because at the end of the day, right, the way it was explained to me, and I think this is a pretty good explanation,

which is basically a tech demo for AWS, what is it, IWS, the streaming service that they sell. What is it called? AWS, Amazon Web Services. Yeah, no, the, um, the, um, the, the, um, the, streaming service, um, the one that powers kick. Um, what's it called? Um, uh,

IVS, interactive video service. Mm-hmm. So Twitch is basically a loss leader tech demo for AWS IVS. So they don't care that Twitch doesn't make money because at the end of the day, all Amazon cares about is how many people are on AWS? The radio infrastructure is what they're actually going for, yeah. Basically, they're selling their infrastructure and that's how they're making money.

Obviously, yeah. And even I think even YouTube, even YouTube is trying to enter this space. I think I think they did sell at some point, you know,

console thing, like Google Cloud Platform, they advertised GCP. It was a trend back in the day. For example, Microsoft, they don't care about Windows anymore. This is like the best example of a company not caring about their operating system. They're just using it as a demo for their cloud services. For example, Microsoft 365 or OneDrive. So they're, I think their main source of revenue is all the cloud services they're providing now. Well, and your data, both of those. Yeah, right. I don't know how, we like kind of side tangented way off of YouTube.

I don't know how we got here. Oh, yeah, right, yeah. So now that everything is, now that all your channel's back, like, what is your plan going forward? Like, what are you, are you just going to keep doing what you've always been doing? Like, do you have backups on other platforms in place?

Like, what is, what, what are we doing? Honestly, I think my next problem with YouTube is that I still have three of my videos terminated. I haven't told about, I haven't told about this on Twitter publicly, but YouTube has, brought back my don't use download.com video, which I was talking about.

It was terminated for two years, and I managed to convince a human at YouTube to take another look at it. And they have reinstated the video. So now I have three videos on my channel terminated, activating Windows 95 with chat GPT, activating Windows 11 with chat GPT, and how much malware you can download from link shorteners.

So I guess, the plan for the distant future because it's obviously a slow process it's a slow cooker they have at youtube uh i want to unban these videos and especially activating windows 95 with chat gpt it was one of it was the first video that made it to the mainstream media it means a lot to me so yeah this is uh and as for the videos i i think i'm just yeah i'm gonna upload videos as usual as which means every five months or something when I get time

well hopefully it goes well yeah hopefully it goes well that's um I actually found one of the articles it's just right at the top it's this video has been removed for violating YouTube terms of service

yeah yeah right this is annoying this is so annoying well hopefully Fingers crossed You don't have any more problems like this

But I guess with little problems you've had in the past Like Who knows? Who knows? I think it's fair to assume There's probably going to be more issues But It would be nice if there wasn't

It seems like YouTube is going You know, YouTube is wreaking havoc Every two years roughly On average I heard problems in 2020 I've had problems in 23, even worse problems in 23 than 2021.

And then I got my channel terminated in 2025, so, I mean, you see the pattern. What happens next? Am I going to get arrested in 27 for running a YouTube channel? Well, see, stay tuned.

We'll find out next time. The next time you're on, it'll be from your cell. Oh my god, dude. I already hope not. Just sneaking Wi-Fi into the prison. Yeah, this situation is really bleak, and I think all the other creators seem to understand now. I didn't get much recognition, neither in 2021 nor in 2023,

but 2025 seems to be the year I'm finally recognized as a person who was wrongfully terminated off of YouTube and YouTube finally took a close look at my channel and realized man this guy were bullying him for no reason and finally took proper action well hopefully hopefully I know

did all the channels related to this get unbanned because I thought some of them might have still been yes mainly the people who contacted me and the people who I constantly promoted they got unbanned the smaller creators

they're still being how do I put it they're being deceived with all the AI they're being deceived with all the AI replies saying oh you're actually stupid and you're also ugly and you've been banned for a reason

I do like that they kept telling people to stop posting the channel ID. That was amusing. Like, your AI replies don't even know that the channel ID is a public bit of information. Well, you know, this might be an honest mistake as well. Like, it could be an AI reply, which I believe it was an AI reply. Either AI a template. You can also entertain the idea. Yeah, you can also entertain.

the idea that it was a template that an outsourced person knows how to use, and they noticed there was some extraneous information that they haven't really seen before, and they decided, well, let's use this template instead of the other one. So this could be an honest mistake from a human as well, but I really think it's AI. And the recent discovery is that they are using sprinkler and all the and the device they're passing from on YouTube is sprinkler care and the interesting bit is that after all the backlash after I've actually publicized this issue I'm succeeded

making it public they responded from the Twitter web app which which means which naturally means that sprinkled care is is run by AI primarily and the template and the templates and if you get an answer from a Twitter web app it's when you know it's a real deal it's when the human is looking into

your problem so yeah it's a rough thing and I notice a lot of sprinkler care devices under people's tweets I do see there as a proposed note under what you said that

sprinkler is also just used to let multiple customer service people access the same account I don't know if the note is accurate but there is a proposed note I think it's accurate I personally think it's accurate so I might have been a little too quick to judge

it's 100% AI because I haven't looked into sprinkler care but people did tell me it's actually not only an AI startup, but it's also a well-known CRM that allows customer support to interact with people. But you never know, since they are advertising sprinkler care as an AI startup now, because, well, the AI bubble that's soon going to pop, it's really cool to put AI into your pitch. So they're basically, what I assume is there's probably a button, generate a reply, maybe.

Based on the template. Yeah, for sure. So, I mean, do you really think 90% of the cases don't use this button? Like, otherwise it's just, it would be useless. Right. Would I be surprised that YouTube, a massive video platform that uses AI for every other part of the platform is using AI and its customer service, whilst basically every other big company? doing exactly the same thing. No, that wouldn't surprise me.

If it's not entirely AI, like an AI-assisted workflow, that is the least surprising thing you could ever tell me. Yeah, right. And, I mean, it's just really unfortunate for everybody who relies on YouTube for their living. For example, I've seen a guy called Old Money Luxury that was also falsely banned but for spam and deceptive practices

he has been unbanded just today his channel was reinstated just now in the morning for me and during midday for you so he actually had to move out of his apartment because YouTube was his sort of living

he used to make a living on YouTube and he used to feed his family and stuff. So this is the important aspect you have to look at. I've always said YouTube is unsustainable and you shouldn't make it your main source of income. This is my... This is coming from me. This is my main talking point

when talking about YouTube as a business. It's a side hustle. And you can see this in practice. You can see this everywhere. If you look deep enough, you're going to see creators which relied on YouTube as a business, they thought it would be safe to create content

and not get terminated and not get their revenue taken away and refunded even after 50 days. No such luck. So this unprecedented level of terminations on YouTube, I think it's unprecedented, or maybe people didn't use to speak out and they're speaking out now

I think it just shows you shouldn't trust YouTube Yeah do you have anything happy to say before we end of the episode Well I think the rain station wave is coming right now

as we speak and most people are going to get unband. The question is, are they going to lose all the money? Because some of the people are going to be way beyond 50 days of the false termination or not. So this is what they will have to figure out themselves. I don't know whether it's automated or not. But I really hope, I really hope they are going to get their money back because for some of them, it's super important. It's their way of living. It's their only source of income. And I think all the

Japanese channel bands, they were a precedent, but the precedent was solved in a good way. It was, we had a successful appeal, a successful public class action appeal, you could say. And we are pretty much ready to make videos now. and live happily until 2027 when YouTube improves their algorithm once again, and we're going to encounter a mass band wave again. Yeah. Regardless, regardless, it is what it is. YouTube, that's how YouTube always has been.

I'm just happy to be back, and I'm happy I could help people to also regain their platform. that's what I wanted to say awesome awesome I'm glad that I'm glad your channel's back I'm glad I'm glad a lot of other people have got theirs back as well

this is a problem that's like this is like yes it's like I'm talking to you right now it happened to you but like this happens to so many other people that nobody's ever going to hear about I would like YouTube systems to be improved I just don't have much I would like to have hope

but I've been like you know I've known about YouTube for close to 20 years now at least for the past at least 15 or so I haven't been out of like fully trust the decisions they're going to make

yeah that's there is all there was always sense of vagueness and helplessness I guess with YouTube but it's especially outlined nowadays and like to think about it you're a creator that doesn't really have many subscribers on YouTube and you don't have many ties with people on YouTube and to think about it imagine you get struck with this as well. I really hope not. Again, knock on the wood, I really hope that doesn't happen. But to put it into perspective, creators like you are also in danger and in even

more danger because you guys don't have an extra platform to share your struggle with. And I think what I would recommend for you guys, for you specifically and people who are trying to trying to run a successful, I guess, YouTube business, but who aren't yet popular. I think you should invest your time and effort into running a Twitter account because that's what I've been doing since 2022 and 2023. Somehow, I felt like it was super important. And, man, has it paid off? It did pay off. So by the time my channel was terminated, I spent 34. 0.5,000 followers on Twitter. And in part, that's what saved my channel as well.

So I'm not sure what the future holds for Twitter with all the bot spam and everything. But looking at the situation now, I think it's really wise to have at least some sort of a Twitter presence. So in case something happens, in case something bad happens to you, you can have some level, even let it be a poor level of networking with other creators and you know maybe news outlets

will hear about you as well at times like this it's really important to stay together and it's really important to help each other out because you never know who's going to get shot next you never know who's going to get terminated next it's it's brutal this system is is absolutely horrible. I wanted to end on a happy note, but... Well, I mean, I'm thinking right now, what... What can I... What can I say that's going to be happy?

Well, do you have any fun... Let me think about it. You got in store? Oh, yes. Certainly. I was thinking about making a video about Windows activation again and it's going to be a public announcement

nobody has heard of this before I was working on activating Windows 11 with a Microsoft Office 2010 key which is possible it's crazy that it's possible but I wanted to make this a public video But it has a keyword called Actuating, which I'm not sure YouTube is going to look at it fondly, but I'm thinking about this. I'm thinking about this project. It's going to be a fun project. I just need to dedicate some time to finish it, to polish it, to edit it and upload it. I really hope I can get it done before 2026.

I guess it's nearly at the end of the year, so, you know, it's not... I was thinking that sounded way worse, but we're in November now, aren't we? Yeah. Yeah. Crazy hell down flies, Redd. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know where the year went.

So if people want to... If people want to follow your stuff and find everything you're doing, where can they go to? Yeah. Oh, first of all, I mean, YouTube, obviously. I happen to be a YouTuber with almost 400,000 subscribers, if not already. I'm not sure. I had an influx of subscribers. 393,809, to be specific.

YouTube cut off all the digits after the thousands. And... Why? Wait, I thought I'd sub to your channel. Apparently, I wasn't sub to your channel. Oh, it's fine. I mean, I get into people's recommended all the time. It's just, it's not a question of being subscribed.

I have a feeling your channel is one of the ones where, you know, the conversion of views to subscribers is way lower than it probably you would like it to be. Especially with some of the videos that have done like millions of views. Well, there aren't actually many videos that there were outliers. I mean, I have a specific thing with my channel where I don't know if it's normal, but let's say I have 400,000 subscribers and my videos get 100,000 views on average. I don't know if that's normal or not, but probably normal. Not that I really care, but the fact that it's like this, I haven't studied my analytics because, well, I mean, I've been doing this, you know, not as, I've been, I've not been running a business. I've been just doing something I liked.

I'm pretty happy with how everything turned out. I'm really happy with how everything turned out. I'm really happy with how. my channel exploded. In 2019, it was the first wave of subscribers. In 2021, then again, 2023. Again, similar to how the terminations and all the video takedowns happened. It's a, I guess it's an average channel. It's an average channel that does averagely. Any other links you want to mention? I know you have your website and Twitter and other things you want to talk about. Oh, yeah, of course.

So I'm in YouTube.com slash Anderman, C.H. Twitter.com slash AndermannC.H as well. Enderman.c.H. is my website. I have a mirror of my content on Odyssey, the decentralized platform, which unfortunately I don't think it's going to overtake YouTube because it's a little different concept, Yeah. So odysc.com slash something.

Like, there is a really, I'm going to, I'm going to give you a specific link in the DMs. Yeah, yeah. I'll add in the description. It's not a problem. And I've got a channel on Telegram, which I don't think it's a super popular social media for Americans, really. I mainly get people from post-USSR, post-Soviet countries there and I mean, that's where Telegram is most popular, obviously. So, yeah, I think these are all the social media pages I can plug.

Okay. Okay, I guess I do my at show then. Yeah, unless there's anything else you want to. mention? I think I'm done, yeah. Okay. My main channel is Brodie Robertson. I do Linux videos there, 6thus J's week.

Sometimes I also stream. Check that out if you care about that. I've got the gaming channel, Brody on Games. Right now I'm playing through Yakuza 6 and Silk Song. And if you're watching the video version of this, you can find the audio version on basically every podcast platform at Tech Over T. And the video is, of course, on YouTube, Tech Over T.

how do you want to sign us off i'll give you the final word uh thanks for having me brodie it was actually an honor to to have for you to have me on your podcast it was actually an awesome experience and thanks for you know thanks for giving me a platform to speak about this problem yeah no thank you think i've been doing this um it's an honor to have you on i've noted about your channel for a long time. I feel like a lot of people have known about you for a while, and it sucks what happened to the channel, but I'm happy

that you've got the channel back now, so yeah, yeah, it's like to say, I guess. I guess I'll stop the recording now. Right.