Tech Over Tea - Day Of KDE Plasma 6 Is Almost Here | Nicco Loves Linux

Episode Date: December 8, 2023

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Good morning, good day, and good evening. I'm as always your host, Brodie Robertson, and today we are back with a KDE developer, but also a YouTuber, who changed your name a while back since the last time you were on. Now you go by NikolovsLinux. Welcome to the show. What made you actually want to change your channel name? So basically the thing is I'm doing a lot of different things and Nikolov was just my name. And when I actually started another channel about poetry,

I was like, I need to somehow separate the two, you know. And so I just called one Nikolov's Linux and the other one is Nikolov's Poetry. And if I do, I don't know, mathematics, then it's going to be Nikolov's Mathematics. It's just a nice way to say Nikko is like the brand and then I do many things,

not just Linux or Kiri. That was the idea behind it. That's sensible branding. I like it. I do like the wordplay, like adding the first two letters of the SAR name. I like that.

It was completely random. I didn't think of it. It just happened. Hey, if it works out, it works out. But I guess probably the best place to get into, just for reference for anyone listening, this is being recorded on November 20th. So by the time this comes out, we're probably going to be well into the

first beta of Plasma 6. So if we talk about anything that has long since been resolved, that's going to be why. But right now we're in the middle of the alpha of Plasma 6. What is that like? Because Plasma 6 has been, you know, it's been a while in progress. We've been on 5 for how many years has 5 been like the main version? I don't know.

Yeah, something like that. Maybe slightly. Yeah, something like that. Maybe slightly less, but something like that. So it's quite a long period of time. I actually joined not that much ago, like halfway through Plasma 5. So I didn't even manage to get the whole Plasma 5 experience. But the idea of switching Plasma 6 was quite exciting. And we've been talking about it for years and years. And then now it's finally happening. It's a bit sad, obviously, that we get to implement just half of the things we wanted to do. But of course,

time is what it is. So now we're actually a week before, probably less than that, before the feature freeze. So everything that has to be implemented as a new feature has to be done now and we should have the definitively definitive list of features in a few days which is nice for promotional work as well but um so i can already start talking about the features features that will be there if you want me to but of course that means that we are kind of stressing out over managing to get everything in in the very last few days but of course if you listen when you listen to all of this that's gonna be done and decided already hopefully that's the plan oh god there we go yeah so

what do we even what do we even talk about with plasma 6 so with the alpha coming out like what I know there's been like this massive uptick Nate wrote about this in a recent blog post this massive uptick in

bug reports because now it's just in the hands of users like people are actually like trying it out it's not just kde developers who were writing it and working on it themselves now those like really dedicated kde users are also getting involved with that so have you seen much initial reaction outside of obviously the bug reporting like have people obviously it's still a small group of people that are doing it like you know you're not having you know fedora ship it just yet so it's still that small group but like what has that initial reaction sort of been like so regarding bug reports i haven't this is probably my fault but I haven't. This is probably my fault, but I haven't been following bag reports at all, actually.

Fair enough. Because now that actually there's Blue Systems, the company that sponsors my work, I'm just waiting for Nate Graham that was here like a couple of episodes ago to tell me which bags to fix. And then I just do what it tells me. I'm not even checking the... I should do that i shouldn't just rely on being told what to do but i haven't like looked at that at all

especially because yes there's a lot of new bugs being reported and i'm not able to go through all of them and regarding instead like outside of that actual reactions I've not seen many. And I think that's a good sign because in promo, because I'm also part of like the promotion of the project, we really tried not to talk about what's new yet. The alpha release was very technical and we willfully actually removed the stuff that told the users what was new because we didn't want yet the videos,

the reactions and things that usually I do. So I haven't seen much of a reaction yet, probably with a beta and with a definitive list of features that's going to change. But I would still like to see the big news being closer to release, which is going to be January, February.

So not much of a reaction I have seen yet, but that's going to come. So when is the feature freeze happening? Yeah, so that's the thing. I don't remember right now. It's very close. It's in a few days. I think the hard one is...

I've got the schedule open right now if I'm reading it correctly it's November 22nd that sounds right tomorrow, is that tomorrow? no it's in two days I'm in the future that's very close

now you're giving me anxiety that's the soft feature freeze so then there's the hard one which is much you know don't merge anything after that yeah and i think that's on the 29th is that correct you have the info i don't yeah i i can send you the link right now I'm not seeing I'm not seeing the exact date on here but I also

It would be something like that Yeah, okay But yes It's still a little bit away but it's getting very very close Yep I I'm excited to see what happens I've been saying to very, very close. Yep. I'm excited to see what happens.

I've been saying recently that I probably will properly try out Plasma when 6 comes out. And that'll be... Oh, okay. It was going to be a whole new experience for me, but I have this

Steam Deck thing here and I've been using desktop mode a bit. Well, you should grab yours, I've gotta grab mine. Where is it? Um, so it's not an entirely new experience, but I've not- like, desktop mode on here, I've just been, you know, I've opened up Discover, I've installed PCSX2, I open it. Like, I don't- I haven't been doing this as proper computing on here. It's more of just going to desktop mode to open an application. So actually, a properly daily driving Plasma,

that's going to be a very new experience when February? Yes, the end of February rolls around. I'm excited. I'm excited to see what happens. It's going to be probably still a bit buggy, the very first release of the very first day. I have no doubt. Even though we have three months of just debugging right now ahead of us, it's still, you know, something is going to get through with this amount of changes so just keep that in mind i'm just going to mention that i was looking at the bug tracker and there was

one like this is how important like this beta testing alpha testing phase is there was a user running a haswell cpu who for some i didn't properly read the bug report, but it was causing the desktop to crash. There was some like weird OpenGL issue and it was just crashing the desktop. If the bug got fixed, uh, they worked out what the problem was really quickly, but like, weird things like that are the things that you're not going to notice until some user tries around-

Like, none of the developers are running a Haswell CPU Like these are things that you need to get it in the hands of users to properly see what's gonna happen There's gonna be users that like, you know, mess around with some really obscure tablet and the tablet configuration tool Just doesn't work for it or they're gonna have some like weird GPU that Nobody even supports anymore. These are the- or they're gonna have some like weird GPU that Nobody even supports anymore. These are the only gonna run one that one I did see was um Someone was using the oculus snap and it didn't have like the printer showing up Like random things like that Those are the things that are going to show up.

It has happened to me that sometimes the users are like smarter than us because sometimes they think of like use cases that I completely missed. I recently implemented a thing for the panel, which is called fit content, so that it always is the same size as the content within the panel, which is a nice content, so that it always is the same size as the content within the panel, which is a nice thing if you want like a dock. And I just implemented the thing. I was like, this is ready. This is working. Everything is fine. And then I get a bug report of a user that actually removed all the widgets inside of the panel so that the panel was empty

and then set the panel to fit to content and the plasma crashed and didn't even boot. And I was like, how did I not think of this? This is obvious, but I didn't even think. Well, when you write the code, you obviously, this is why it's important to have that outside opinion, because you write the code with the intention of it being good you're not writing code that you know is buggy because you wouldn't have wrote the code

if that was the case so even if it's just one other person someone needs to look at that code and just try some weird even if it's not a weird edge that's a pretty normal edge case and just see what happens

yeah we all of our merger quests are reviewed by at least a couple of people yeah yeah all of mine at least maybe there's some core developer who can do whatever they want but sure yeah usually there's a good amount of review but of of course, still, you're going to get these edge cases that aren't that edge case, but we just didn't think of them. But yes, there are reviews. Well, that's why, even though you were saying before we started recording, like three months, you feel is like a long, long time to be doing bug testing.

Like, it's important. It's very important, especially if you consider... Look, let's consider the history of Plasma. Like, it's had releases. Like, obviously, everyone's going to go back to... Obviously, you went around at that point, but KD4. 4 was a notorious... 4 is the reason why trinity exists like it was a nightmare of a release and nobody wants that to happen again

yeah in fact i do know of a developer who told told me that uh the switch from kd3 to kd4 is what got him involved in the project like it was such a messy release that they thought, okay, I'm just going to help them out here. So that is true. And we are trying to do something much different, very incremental and stable release. We are not changing that much, even though we are. The idea was not to change that much.

So that should be better at this time obviously changing obviously changing the toolkit is going to be like a massive change no matter what you do but it's not like a whole new like I look at what Plasma 5

is now and I look at Plasma 6 and if you show me a screenshot side by side they're like very similar it's not like there's a whole fundamental redesign of what the system is going to be it's it's very much building upon what's been done over the past 10 years and then making it better rather than saying okay all of that's great but we're doing this new thing now yes there are actually even very recently some significant ui changes that probably don't immediately pop to the eye but i do think they are going to change the look significantly as an example there's one thing that carl implemented like just a few days ago and people always complain that applications like dolphin

the main view with the folders was always within a outline a blue outline that was very ugly and we actually spent years wanting to get rid of that and now we did and now all the views are very sleek looking with one pixel divisors divisors i don't know and i do think that looks much better it's not something you'll notice immediately but all of these things combined are i think gonna change significant significantly the the design i just looked up kat Outline. I found a report about it. I didn't notice it until it got pointed out, but yeah, no, that is... What was the deal with that? Like, why was that there? So, it is to indicate the active view. So, the idea is that you have the window with some of the content, and then the actually important content is within a box,

which is the view, and you can have multiple views, and the one you're currently working with has a blue outline to remind you that is the one. This was the older design, especially when the title bar was the same color as the content of the window. So everything blended together. So you had to visually show what the view was. Now we actually have a header area at the top.

So it's a bit different and now it looks much better. I guess it's not a major change, but it is something that I guess is going to slightly change the feel of it a little bit. Yeah. There's many of them. Like now the panel... I don't know if we are going to keep this, but currently the panel is floating by default.

That is a difference. And, you know, stuff like that. There's probably not at this point because we're this close to the feature freeze, but we will get eventually new icons for, like, Dolphin. So all of these small things, small redesigns, they do help out. So all of these small things, small redesigns, they do help out. I like the idea of a floating panel, actually. I know some people may not be a big fan of it,

but I don't know. I spent a lot of time on macOS when I was younger. So I'm kind of used to that floating dock, dock floating panel whatever term you want to use for it yeah yeah i know when it's filling with and dock when it's small i guess yeah that's what i call them i don't know if it's recognized as a term that's what i call them i don't know if it's recognized as a term. That's what I call them. I don't know. Yeah, it works. Yeah, it certainly does work. You know, that... I guess it's not like major changes that you're going for here,

but I can certainly see how they would change that sort of initial perception of it. But obviously, being KDE, like all of this stuff is, you know, if you don't like it, you just be like, no,

disable it. Just go back to like, I don't like to unfloat it. Go away from that. Yes. You can always do that. And the idea was to have some kind of stronger visual identity, especially with windows that lately has been getting very close to our design.

Although I do have to say, and this was breaking my heart news, that after we decided to switch to the floating panel, Windows said that Windows 12 is going to have a floating panel as well. So were like come on so yeah that didn't work but um yeah that was the idea you have a spy in your midst there's a windows os engineer working on kde yeah when when everything you do is publicly available and stuff. There was even the moment when they kind of stole, but I don't think they did purposely, but the slogan. They came up with a very similar slogan to ours

and we were slightly disappointed in that. What's the slogan? I don't think I've heard this one. Our slogan is simple by default powerful when needed right and i think windows went with something like uh simple out of the box powerful if you need or something like that extremely similar like extremely similar and we're like oh god oh i love that but but i mean okay it's not that difficult to come up with the idea of simple by default.

It can happen, but it was a bummer. With, like, the actual GUI design, though, I have no doubts that Microsoft does examine what is happening on the desktop environment on Linux, on what is... The same as they would be examining what is happening on The desktop environments on Linux on what is it the same that would be examining what's happening on Mac OS like they are looking at?

What others are doing what is being done well and ways they can sort of build upon their own sis I I've known like Like sure you can come up with the idea of floating like panel yourself, but Sure, you can come up with the idea of a floating panel yourself, but they're not obviously just ignoring what other systems are doing. They're aware of what other systems are doing. That only makes sense. Whether they're intentionally trying to copy Plasma,

that's a whole other question. But I'm sure they're aware of it. There are some small things which I guess could be directly inspired by Plasma. Stuff like being able to use the scroll wheel on the audio icon in the system tray to change the volume. That's a small detail which is nice and they did it and we had it for years so maybe it came from us but i don't know how much is actually

direct directly inspired from our work i tend to think that with our three percent market share total they don't really look at us much but maybe i'm pessimistic well microsoft does use linux internally like so i'm sure it's probably not every single one but there's going to be at least a couple of people that bring up like hey here's this thing that's on this other system like in a meeting like maybe we should do that like i i have no doubts that is the case um but what i have to get everyone's opinion on this that works on KDE. What is your opinion about single click versus double click? Did you ask everybody else? I've asked Nate.

I've asked David. I'll ask every single other KDE dev I have on the show. Um, uh, did you ask Nate as well? I, I'm pretty sure I asked Nate. I got to watch, uh watch what they replied exactly. I think Nate prefers single click by default. David, I don't remember. Personally, I'm a strong believer of single click by default,

as I think most of KDE developers are. The thing is, the thing is, it's better. Like, let's just say, everybody knows it's better. The thing is that distributions are actually doing the choice for us in reverting that default to double. I think Nate said the same thing because I'm quoting him, but distribution are doing the choice for us

in reverting our choice of single click to double click. So it doesn't really make sense to continue in our path. But I do think that in five to 10 years, other desktops as well will slowly switch to single click by default because of the younger generation being used to single tapping on their phone and single click will be yet again the default as rightfully so. Yeah, I was listening to a, there was an indie dev talking about this, has a channel

on YouTube called Pirate Software. Someone's probably seen a clip from him because his channel has just been exploding recently. Constantly in YouTube shorts. So he was showing a game off at a convention. First day he had a system there with a controller and a system there with keyboard and mouse. It was a game like Targeted at Kids. So the system with the keyboard and mouse, none of the kids played it. There wasn't a single person who used it. They all went to the system with the controller. So the following day,

brought a controller for the other system. Both had a controller there. Then he noticed another problem. About 50% of the kids grabbed the controller, moved it to the side, and then touched the screen as if it was a touch it was like a desktop computer it was like a just a regular monitor they thought it was a touch screen because they've only ever played games on a tablet or a phone well personally i'm a big fan of that actually when i had to well first of all i ditched the mouse one year ago i don't use a mouse anymore i just have a drawing tablet which is so much faster to use as a daily thing and when i actually got my hands on the steam deck which

has all the controllers there's some cool stuff in there as an example the left touchpad touchpad that it has allows you to scroll and it's very nice and when I actually had to buy the monitor I looked a lot for so much for a touchscreen big monitor because I was in love with the Microsoft Studio monitor the idea of having this big three to two aspect ratio touchscreen monitor that was I didn't find one so i've got that one which is on touch screen but still i would love to have a touch screen and my computer is a touch screen so i'm a big fan of like ditching the old ways of not working there it is okay The steam planet over here. And you can do, like, you can also do, like, clockwise and counterclockwise with your finger to scroll, which is faster. So that's very nice. I like it a lot.

Now, I want to go back to that drawing tablet thing. So you use a drawing tablet as your main pointer device. What drawing tablet do you have? I have a Wacom. One of the simple basic model ones. Is it this one? No, it's not, wait. It's not that one.

Oh, okay. Oh, oh, um, I don't remember the model number. Yeah, no, I know the one you're talking about, okay, uh, yeah, I, I, I'm, I do know what the tablet is, I'm just blanking on the name, okay, yeah, yeah, Intuos, yeah, yeah. Wacom Intuos. Yes, that is what it is. So what is that experience like? Because I use a drawing tablet primarily for, like, editing my thumbnails, but I don't use it as my main input device. But, yeah. So it actually was a coincidence as well for me because my mouse that

i had both uh for my setup wasn't working properly it was always missing output and i had a drawing tablet and i was just okay just for now i'll use that and i enjoyed it a lot, actually. So it has some benefits, which are the obvious one. It's much easier and quicker to actually go around, click stuff. The mouse, you actually have to... So that is the good side. It does have some downsides as well. The big one is scrolling. You're unable to scroll.

So sometimes I just use the arrow keys. But eventually I did surrender and both this little keyboard, which does have an integrated touchpad. Of course, I click the touchpad and something happens on my screen. So let's not do that again. but now it's back to normal. But as I was saying, it has a little touchpad so I can actually scroll. And the other issue is that I do need to pick up the pen to interact with a drawing tablet. Sometimes I'm just using the keyboard and I don't want to have the pen in my hand. So I just quickly use the small touchpad. For very small movements

it's fine but when I actually have to work I always use the drawing tablet because it's so much faster so it does have some issues. If it was up to me I would use either one of those drawing tablets with a touchpad like surface I don't know which are able to get both the pen input and the finger one but I don't think the driver is anything close to usable like you don't have just source and such and otherwise I would like to have something like the steam deck the little touchpad but on my keyboard to scroll but again nobody has done that yet. And as the very last option,

I'm looking into buying another keyboard that has one of those things that you can rotate. Very niche keyboards. But if I can map that to scrolling. Yes, like that, but for scrolling, you know. Yes, like that, but for scrolling, you know? This is the overview of issues and benefits of the drawing tablet, in my opinion. Do you have multiple monitors that you use?

No, I have one monitor, but that monitor is 4K and it's 42 inches. It's like big okay so it's basically like having four uh full hd monitors so i just need one big one because i was gonna ask how you dealt with like the tablet across like a three white like two or three wide display that that's that's a big part of the reason why I wouldn't use it like that because I don't just have so I have a three monitor set up but I also have a vertical monitor so that would completely throw the tablet out it just would not be usable on that other display I think it would in theory theory, if I recall correctly, there's an option to map the drawing tablet area so that the bottom left is the bottom left of your monitor.

The top left is the top left of your top left monitor. So you can actually use all of them and some areas of the drawing tablets are like that. I'm not sure. I know that you can do that. The problem is if you stretch out the drawing tablet to more space, you have less fine input because a smaller movement is going to mean more space.

So it's going to be a lot like you probably wouldn't be able to click on small icons like that. Yeah. The fundamental issue is wanting a super wide setup like you shouldn't do that three to two is the perfect aspect aspect ratio with your with your um 42 inch display or whatever you said 4k 42 inch yes yes i guess you don't have to deal with scaling then You said 4K 42-inch, yes? Yes.

I guess you don't have to deal with scaling then. No. Yeah, okay. No, I never use scaling in any of my devices. Yeah, because 4K normally is... 4K... You can... If you've got good eyesight, you can use it, but you're probably going to want to scale

on anything smaller than like a 30 inch display really before this monitor i had uh this one just give me a sec okay this one is a very nice 4k 28, I think, inches monitor. Okay. And I still used it without any scaling because I never use scaling. You've got some good eyesight. But, of course, eyesight was getting pretty bad very quickly. So, for the next monitor, I thought, you know what?

Let's go with a 42 inches one. That's going to be better. And it is. It's going to be better for sure. I've never even considered using it what even is that monitor is that one of Nvidia's BFG displays

what is that it's a very standard Samsung Q something actually it's not wait I didn't know Samsung Bade monitors were that big Q something monitor. Actually, it's not Q. Wait. I didn't know Samsung baby monitors that big. I've got it here. I can just read

the model, I think. U-28R No, the big one you have, not the 28-inch one. Ah, the big one, sorry. Yeah, yeah. The big one is a very nice... Sorry? Did you just throw that monitor?

yes it's broken don't worry ok ok it's fine yes otherwise I wouldn't have bought a new one this big one is the HP Z 43

monitor I think because it's 43 inches HP z43 okay i found it it even supports like multiple inputs at the same time so i can split the monitor and have like hdmi one one side and usb-c on the other side super nice and it also acts as a usb hub so i just connect the computer and everything switches all of my like audio keyboard drawing tablet microphone everything switches between devices as soon as i change what's connected to the monitor it's awesome one morning i like take my steam deck i plug in my steam deck and everything works out of the box. It's awesome. I love this setup.

I'm going to send you the marketing photo I just found on Amazon for it. Okay, but I gotta find the chat, which is going to be... Ah, yes. Yes. Well, it's not, yeah. I think it's marketed towards, towards you know business people who do like stocks and such but you know i'm so it's sort of like it it's sort of like a boardroom display i guess that's the way they generally seem to be marketing it because who puts a 42 inch monitor on their desk

try to guess how much I paid for it. I wouldn't have a clue because I'm seeing them go from anywhere from like $600 to $1,400. I don't know what this thing is priced at. Yeah, I think it was originally priced towards €600 to €700. But I actually managed to find one used but in perfect condition for 300 that was a great deal in my opinion yeah for sure geez do you have it finally enough the the guy had uh two of them and I just bought one, obviously. And he was like, can you also buy the other one, please?

And I was like, I don't know what to do with it. Like one is too big for my room already. I wouldn't know how to put the other one. Use it for, I don't know, replace your TV. Big enough for it. Yeah, no, but it was actually awesome that this monitor, the 28 one, the smaller one, it was the one I was using in Sweden because I was in Sweden. And then in June, I went back to Italy. And I actually, I didn't know how to ship the monitor from Sweden to Italy.

I couldn't sell it. So I actually tried to put it in the bag with me on the plane towards Italy. And as you can guess, it didn't quite work out. It was completely broken. And the thing is that when I got back to Italy because of staff, you know, ticket price and such, I didn't have any money left in my savings. I couldn't afford a new monitor. I was quite sad.

I didn't know what to do. So I tweeted like, hey, my monitor just broke. I don't have the money for a new one. I'm screwed. And I actually received in two days, 300 euros in donations. So that was awesome from the community. I'm super happy about that

and then you bought that thing yeah do you just have it sitting on your desk or do you have an arm for it no it's on my desk and I can tell you also that I bought a desk with wheels on it which means I can move it around

that's nice. I can just show you probably some of it. I just... Ah, you have your camera behind it. Yes, yes, the camera is behind it. But I just remember that the camera is connected to the computer, and if I move the desk, it's gonna mess up, so let's not do that, actually. I can also do fancy things.

Yeah, that's, uh, yeah, that's very nice. I can do that as well, but I don't have the button, I actually have to do the screws. Yeah, I knew that if I didn't get one that was electric, I would never use it. Yeah, understandable. I knew that if I didn't get one that was electric, I would never use it. Yeah. Understandable. The problem is I got this whiteboard here and sometimes the whiteboard likes to fall under the desk and then it hits when it's coming down and it's like, do, do, do.

And then I'm like, Nope, got to stop that. Let's not, let's not destroy the motor there. I actually have on my left here on the wall, I took some paint, black paint, and I painted black part of the wall and it works as a blackboard perfectly. So I can just write on my wall and it's super nice. I'm currently thinking how to show it to you,

but I think I'm not gonna do that yet. I can show a picture. That's the best I can do right now. But it's very nice. I could as well. So what are you actually doing for your lighting now? Like what are you using for it? For the lights?

Yeah. So right now I have one main light, this one, which is an Elgato key light. That's me. And then I've got a 3, 1, 2, and 3. This one is turned off, but I can just do that as well. These are LED RGB lights, and I can just set whatever light color I want,

even from my phone, which is nice. Just some, like, generic brand, not, like, a specific thing? They are LDV something. Let's say generic brand. I absolutely don't remember. But it was something like that, yes. But the cool thing is that I can change it very quickly. So.

Ooh, that's nice. Let's do that. And they were like $20 pre. I was like, that's a steal. Can I do that? This color combination you got going on right now does not look nice but what you're doing before was good i i i often like going i often like going full blue because blue is very blue and you get something like this and it's blue with the um the light in your face That has a real weird effect

Yeah But yeah I usually just go for blue and red That's very neutral How far are the lights away from you? Like, do you reckon? Two arms length Oh wow, okay, that's really close

Yeah Sort of This one is a bit closer obviously hmm yeah like see my problem right is i have a bed right here like i can i'm touching it right now and there's a wall here i've got space behind me i I've got space. I can move the desk back if I need to, but, like, because I'm, yeah, I don't really have much space around here. I could probably, like, move the camera in, like, zooming further and then have more, like,

to work with there, but I don't really have a spot where I can set things up permanently right now, which is the problem. If I I could obviously, like, bring stuff out every day I wanted to record, but that's just, like, a massive, massive hassle. spot where i can set things up permanently right now which is the problem if i i can obviously bring stuff out every day i wanted to record but that's just like a massive massive hassle probably my best my best shot would be like doing something like mounted to the wall if i was gonna do it but yeah so for me i had this basically one year ago my setup wasn't nearly as good as you know so the thing is back then I

was doing one video every day basically and it was like important for me to be able to sit down get the mic and start recording nowadays I'm doing like one video every week or something like that so very sparingly but I want those videos to be very good so I actually have a setup that I take out every time I have to record and it takes I don't know 20 minutes half an hour but the result I think is pretty good like I usually look at there and the light I like it so that's a bit of balance you have to find between something that works out of the box and something you have to set up. But if you're able to mount things at the wall for everything to work out of the box, that would be awesome as well. Sure.

With your videos, do you actually, like, so do you fully script them? Do you just do notes? How do you go about them? I you just do notes? How do you go about them? I fully script every single word of them. And then I have this, which is a teleprompter. Ah, you've got one of those as well? I've seen a bunch of you using this now. Yeah, obviously. changer for me like this it works very nicely and it allows me to not tremble at all i can just write whatever i want to say i can provide faithful closed captions i can provide blog posts that say literally the same thing as the video for who wants them and i'm able to hire people to write

scripts for me which i don't even have to review. I just put them there and start reading. Obviously, I do review them because obviously... Sure, sure. You never know what you're going to say. Sometimes I do like read them and there are some sentence which makes no sense whatsoever. So I do review them, but I could just start talking.

No sense whatsoever. So I'd review them, but you know, I could just start talking Yeah, I I Even if I his thing even I did script out videos Anyone who listens to me talk on stream and try to read something I am Really bad at it like really really bad. I've look i've never been tested for dyslexia however i would not be surprised about the results okay makes sense makes sense i guess i've played around with a couple of these like fonts that help with it and generally they do tend to help you read a bit better so

maybe i should probably find out that's probably the worst idea um yeah maybe i'll do that you can try i could or i could just keep doing what I'm doing and just stumble over all my words and re-record stuff. If it works, it works. Yeah. So how long does it usually take you to do 1E videos now? Way too much. So the thing is, nowadays I'm pretty busy with KD development, so it takes too much time.

Right. development so it takes too much time but usually i do take about one hour and a half researching just reading articles and such one hour and a half actually writing the script and then it's 40 minutes of recording if it's like 20 minutes of video and then i just send to the editor then the editor sends the files back and i take half an hour to review the files and then I just send to the editor then the editor sends the files back and I take half an hour to review the files and then it's 20 minutes to actually upload everything to the cover and such

so I don't know what that sums up to be but it's too much you said yeah yeah that's yeah it is quite a bit of time at least you don't do the editing so that's one bit of time saving um yeah it's time saving but it's not money saving yeah yeah that's part of the reason i don't do the editor thing like it would be nice uh but i don't know it's i don't i

don't enjoy editing like that's the thing I've never really understood the people who are like yeah, I I like video editing no I I video edit I I like I like the researching part and the recording part I edit For the purpose of getting a coherent video like I will I'll sit there and read like one of the videos I want to do. There is a, um, one of the kernel maintainers

talked about how the kernel bugzilla is not exactly officiate, something that was sort of, like, forced upon them by um, the Linux Foundation, and, like, some subsystem just simply don't care about it and literally never check it so reporting a bug that doesn't even matter and there's this

this mailing list thread that's like a hundred messages long and I will sit there and just read every single message and I will enjoy that but if you're like hey you've got to go and edit this 20 minute video i'm like yeah i'm on my phone like five minutes later like i don't want to do this i i totally understand that one benefit another benefit for having like the text on the screen, the teleprompter, is that basically what I see is what gets in the video and editing is mostly cutting out when I misspeak, which is often, sadly, and just adding the b-rolls. So that makes things easier for for the editor hopefully

and I guess if you're trying if you want to have like those blog posts as well that definitely does make that quite a bit easier yeah yes I've considered doing that in the past because of the way that I I tend to just my videos are a lot more

scripted than they used to be, but a lot of what I say is, like, during the moment. I will have, like, the main points written down and then we'll fill in the gaps. So for me, doing that would be a lot of extra work that... Are you a native speaker? I hope so. I don't remember.'t remember yes yes i live in australia i i only speak english yeah so that that matters i wouldn't be able to just see the key points and do a coherent well-spoken like decently spoken

script like I do need to write it in advance because otherwise I'm gonna mess it up I still mess it up but yeah yeah I people joke in my people joke in my streams that I am a native speaker that is terrible at English

that's pretty much where we're at and look Australians I'm Australian, so... We speak English, but... It's a little bit broken sometimes. My accent has cleaned up quite a bit since I've been doing YouTube stuff and speaking to Americans,

speaking to Europeans. It sort of evens out your accent quite a bit but there are times where it will come out and i can i will sometimes just turn it on in a stream just to see what happens just to see if anyone can understand a word i'm saying uh it usually doesn't go super well but because because I also grew up in like a really rural Queensland well I grew up in rural Queensland but just general rural Australia

and when you it's probably the same in Italy as well but in the rural part is where you get the people that have like the super thick accents yeah so that can happen sometimes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, I can understand that. Yeah, it was quite difficult for me to adapt to speaking English, trying to be fluent. And I got a lot of feedback in the comments, especially in the earlier videos, saying you speak too fast, you speak too slowly, I cannot understand anything under your French accent I'm Italian, not French, but whatever so

I get British a lot I get British very very often I don't understand if you want if you, I don't know if I mentioned this last time, I might have but if you want... I don't know if I mentioned this last time. I might have. But if you want some encouragement, go watch Nick's really old videos.

Because he was learning English when he started this channel. It was, like... You can very clearly see how much better he's gotten at it. At the start, he was very clearly struggling to like string sentences together yeah i'm gonna do that i'm very curious now i didn't know about that because he's been around for i don't know a couple of years on youtube at this point i don't know how long, but certainly a while. Yeah, I think even three at this point.

I do remember when I actually decided to open a YouTube channel before doing so, the first thing I did was to send an email to Nick, just saying, hey, how? What do I have to do? And

he was super nice. He replied to everything, gave me a lot of advice, and I think it worked. You've clearly got something going on now. It's clearly coming together well, even though you don't have a ton of time to do it because of your KDE stuff. But, yeah, the quality's... like, your channel, you've clearly put a lot of effort into improving the quality, like, over the time you've been doing it. Like, anyone who's

seen the previous time you were on, for example, like, your setup was a lot simpler back then. Mine, like, my setup's still fairly simple, but I've was a lot simpler back then. My setup's still fairly simple, but I've gotten a lot more understanding of how to light my scene. Now I don't look like I'm deathly ill. Now I look slightly normal, which is good, which is an improvement. But you've clearly put a lot of effort

into trying to improve the general quality of the videos and trying to obviously having the editor there, making them more of a like general enjoyable experience. And if you're uploading at a less frequent rate like that, like that's obviously going to be a big thing to do. big thing to do yeah and it was a lot of things to learn and to improve on not just the lights which are even a key part of it but even actually being able to stand in front of a camera and you know the attitude in front of a camera when I re-watched the last time I was in this show my face was constantly angry somehow I wasn't angry but my resting face was terrible and now i'm smiling which is significantly better compared to last time i think and actually being able to i was very camera shy at the beginning at the beginning you couldn't i didn't put my face

on it just the voiceover with time i got used to it and now i'm actually you know i don't have big issues doing all of this now but at the beginning it was a lot to learn and even actually what even just buying a new camera that one is awesome and i really like it so that improved the quality a lot as well and being able to have all this space to do all of this lots of pieces to put together they took a lot of time

but I was quite proud of them of each step forward I'm looking at the video now I was in this house I didn't realize I've been here this long I thought oh't realize I've been here this long. I thought oh my god, I've been here over a year now.

I can just tell you I moved two times since that video, so Yeah, I was living with roommates the past couple of houses and I really did not like the people I was living with, so I went through a couple of houses fairly quickly. Now I'm living with roommates the past couple of houses and i i really did did not like the people i was living with so i i went through a couple of houses fairly quickly now i'm living with um one of my

friends from high school and it's a lot nicer uh he like he's basically out all the time because he's got work he's like he works for two solid weeks straight and then like comes back after that so he like lives on like the job site and like comes back after that so he like lives on like the job site and then comes back after that so it's pretty much just chill half the time now it's great it's a big improvement but yeah i i see what you mean about your like resting face in this yeah yeah it's pretty bad i i don't want to hear my voice, but I've heard my voice in some of my older videos, and one of the things that I really struggled with

was putting emotion into my voice in a way that sounded not weird. I also really struggled with how to talk on camera, because it's, it's more than just, it's more than just talking. Like, there's a way you have to sort of emphasize words, the way you have to, you know, look at the camera in a certain way. these are things you definitely build up over time and one of the things that I I've said for a while is you should be able to look back at your old videos and realize that like you've improved quite a bit like if you look at your old content and you don't think that it's terrible, you've stopped improving

and that's a problem. Like, I honestly, like some of my old videos, I don't know why I thought they were good at the time, but I, I recorded them then. I was like, this is great. And a few months after that, I was like, okay, that's terrible, but I'm good now. And it keeps like cycling like this. And I, I don't think there's a point where I'm ever going to it keeps like cycling like this and I Don't think there's a point where I'm ever gonna be like you know what I'm actually

Happy with the quality of the videos at this point. I'm happy with the way that I am I am Producing them the way I'm conducting them It's a bit of work the way I'm actually conducting myself in these videos, and I think that's a good thing Never let yourself get into this point where you feel like there's no way to improve anymore. Always make these tiny incremental improvements every single time. And hopefully, hopefully over the years, things will get better. Yeah, I totally agree. yeah i totally agree and i'm it takes a bit of practice to fully understand like the idea of being being able to understand what to improve on on each video i think i mentioned at

the beginning i don't know if we were recording already i think so that i don't like this backdrop at all i completely want to change it and I have like plans I even have over there let me show you. These little tiles and basically I have to cut into each tile and then paint them. It's gonna be a very cool thing when it's done and then of course I know that this microphone is has to be replaced even though I like the audio this is like dynamic and it gets a bit of quality lost and I still do things on camera that it shouldn't be doing as an example even in my videos I very often get closer and further away from the microphone and then when I actually go to the audio it keeps messing up and stuff like that there's just knowing the things to improve on and recently i had gotten

to a point when where i realized that part of things that i had to improve was also how i looked like my hairstyle my clothes like i don't know if you take videos from me a couple of years back. I was a bit of a mess. Oh, I want to talk about a mess. Let's find some of my old videos. Let's just see what comes up. Let's search Brody Robertson. I don't even know what old video I did was.

Arch install. Wait, let's do a Vim. Vim wiki. You know what? That'll work. No, I look too clean in that video. Hmm. Uh, you know what?

I'm just going to go to my channel. We're going to go. Sort by oldest. Oh, I'm just gonna go to my channel, we're gonna go... Sort by oldest. Oh, yep, here we go, let's find something terrible in here. I don't even want to look at this, I really don't. Oh, that's four years ago. I'm looking over your videos now. Oh my god. Let's see if I find something to come videos now oh my god nope

nope you publish too often it's gonna take too much time for me to scroll as a user I look horrendous in this video what am I I was like 21 at the time man man I what am i i was like 21 at the time man man i

you know improving oh yeah no one thing i do need to improve on uh i wear black shirts all the time this is a problem and you know the beard blends in with the shirt and then i usually have these blackout curtains here as well. I need to buy shirts that are... Either buy shirts that are not black, or I know some people get around it by wearing jackets. Like they'll have a coloured jacket on, and that completely eliminates the problem.

But that, I think, would be a big improvement. Could be. But jackets are a problem because it's going to summer right now and it gets hot in australia so maybe not that yeah no i i mean winter so what i decided to do now i am actually going through a lot of changes right now in the structure of the channel i can talk about more about that later but the thing is is, one of the things I've decided to do is that from now on, on all of my videos, I will try, hopefully, to always wear the nicest outfit I have,

which is white. I don't know the English word for it. What's the? Wait. I can directly show you. Yeah. the wait i can directly show you yeah like a dress shirt i guess something like that i don't know what's the exact word for it and then a blue jacket over it which is fancy so it looks nice and everything and uh that's just what i'm gonna wear for like then and also i i always put my these little rules from now on i will always

have uh again what's the word the english word for it i can't just show you everything and you can if you just have it all just right there. Yeah. Except I managed to lose this one, but it's okay because I ordered 12. It's pins, I think. Right. Okay. You know, the pins.

Right. Right. So from now on, I will have one pin, a different pin each video, because I ordered 12. They're coming this Wednesday with LGBT flags, because that's what I wanted to do. And that's going to be the style from now on. Sure. Okay. Why the dress shirt?

Why the pins? why why the dress shirt why the pins so because uh basically this part of um i just threw the shirt on top of the monitor by the way so that wasn't good for it but um yeah so i i decided to quite so this is another part of the improving experience. I'm changing a lot how my channel presents to the user. And initially, my channel was like a technical channel about KDE development. And then it got to being more about explaining KDE to the user in various of its cool stuff. And then it got to being like actually talking about the linux desktop experience to the wider audience and each time i was you know addressing a wider audience to make my channel grow and lately i was like considering what to do next because i'm not currently too happy about

the niche or the target that i have right now. I still want to tweak it. And I want to do something that is like once a week, so less frequent compared to before. But I want to talk, I want to do researched videos about like the European legislation and how it affects open source or the latest move by Google to stop Adblock and stuff or you know how YouTube now detects Adblock and that might be illegal under European law this kind of stuff which does require quite some research before but it's much closer to what i like to do and and part of that was actually going to my audience i did that on twitter a bit some weeks ago and i want to clarify that even more in the coming videos that is my channel does a lot of politics. Like I used to do less of that before. And I'm doing more and more because I do politics. And talking about politics is normal for me and is important.

So that's what I'm going to do. So this time when I do LGBT and people say, keep the politics out of your videos. No, that's the whole point of my videos. I do politics. That's understandable. No's that's the whole point of my videos i do politics that's understandable no that that's the end i so sorry i just realized that i didn't come to the question so the thing is i want to present this uh dressed in fancy on the side with the information near me a bit like uh general john like John Oliver last week tonight. I don't know if you know that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the rough idea, not a late-night show. The concept of the video, how to present the video, that's the idea I'm going for. Yeah, I sort of understood you were trying to go for, like, a more... You want to go for these more serious topics. You want to be dressed in a more serious way where people will actually, like, take what you're saying as like a you know i i'll sit here and rant about you know mv3 and rant about bad block stuff but like if you're trying to approach this in more of

like a i want to talk i want to talk about these topics in a way that people will actually listen to what i'm saying and not just be like, oh, this is just a YouTuber saying YouTuber things. That makes sense. Like that is understandable. Yeah, that's kind of what I'm going for. And like my big goal or target at the moment is being able to interview the European Parliament representative of the Pirate Party who's doing all the work on chat control

and such, that is my goal right now, I'm not sure if I'll achieve it but I'll try that Well it's certainly nice to have a goal I hope it goes well I really do, I hope the I'll be curious to see how the rebrand

sort of plays out because it's not like a massive shift because you already talked about a lot of these topics but I'm curious to see how well these wall research videos will actually end up doing. There's two reasons why I upload a lot. One, choice paralysis. I have a lot of things I want to talk about. So instead of picking one of them, I pick all of them. I wish I had that problem. I'm always like in search of topics, desperately searching for topics. Well, I have people that sort of understand the kind of dumb things I like to talk about. So people just send me random things. Let's see what's in the Discord right now. What is here?

in the Discord right now. What is here? Let's see. Someone sent me one about... I'm going to find a good one here. People also talk in this channel and I'm like it shouldn't be. Oh, someone sent me a thing about the SystemD BSOD service, for example. I don't know if you

heard about this, but systemd now has a yeah so systemd now has a um a blue screen of death service which i'm 100 certain was named that to troll the people who hate systemd who are like oh my god now systemd supports blue screens it's basically just a nicer way to show crash information yeah and things like that i i want to talk about because nobody talked about it like there's a pharonix article and that's literally the entire thing or i will a lot of the time i'll see something that like nate posted and like ah that's not the point of the article but I'll like focus in on this very little thing and overanalyze it to the point where

nobody should enjoy it, but for some reason like For some reason it seems to work Yeah, and it makes sense and like I also enjoy just like deep diving on things that nobody Nobody sensible cares about like I I've got a video that i'm i'm working on it's it's not at all topical but years ago canonical tried to make a phone now this phone had imaginary specs like it was it was a kickstarter or Indiegogo. At the time, it was... I did a video on that. Sorry? I did a video on that.

Oh, you did? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That device, it was like 128 gigs of storage or something crazy they were saying. Like, the device was imaginary. It was never going gonna be a thing. Like, there was another phone that existed, but, like, the one they were pitching was just

not going to ever be real. It was, like, way out-competing the iPhone at the time. Just things like that. Or I did a video on, um, Ubuntu TV, which was, like, their TV operating system they made, where they showed a demo off at

CES and like we're getting ready to ship they had no partners They didn't even have like integration into a TV the entire demo was powered by a PC under the like under the table and Years later people like where's this ubuntu tv thing it wasn't real it was just nonsense things like i i just i will just go down some rabbit hole with something like that and that's what i enjoy but finding like what you're doing finding actual like serious topic what's what's your recent video the threat to free software is worse than I thought. I don't know the context of that one.

The end of private messages. Is that something to do with encryption? The chat control. You don't know about chat control? No. I am not aware of that one. You should. So, chat control is...

It's a very complex topic, which is why it is the longest video i ever made scripted and it's a european legislation that's been proposed and very much discussed and basically everybody who offers end-to-end encryption services or any kind of chat message would have to implement client-side scanning of all messages for child pornography i'm gonna get you demonetized like this but but yeah no i actually i mean sorry that's the topic you can blur blur this thing out in the editing but yes yes, scanning for child pornography. And if they find that you're sending child pornography, of course, you get immediately the police after you.

But how to actually implement that is not, it's impossible. And it would actually completely defeat the entire point of end-to-end communication. So there's like people trying to say, hey, Europe, what you're trying to do is going to make end-to-end communication so there's like people trying to say hey europe what you're trying to do is going to make end-to-end encryption impossible so maybe don't i get that fighting child pornography is a good cause but giving up end-to-end encryption is not a good thing either so that was the topic and these videos like that one and i the first one i did

was about europe was the cyber resilience act yeah and i was like seeing how it went like how many views it got and the cyber resilience act actually got 40k views which is four times higher than i usually get and then i did the google web drm the web environment integrity api and that one was also like 40k and then i did another video about europe and then it was like 12k which is very good so it seems to be working. So I don't see why I shouldn't get closer to that. The only problem there is actually like then finding things you want to talk about that you feel is like a big enough topic. Because it's not like those topics are just happening constantly. it's not like those topics are just happening constantly like it's going to be a lot harder to find something that really feels justified to talk about yeah totally and i do right now the ideas for the videos luckily there is stuff happening so now that i'm following this kind of news i do see stuff like i just currently i have four ideas of videos which

should be enough for like four weeks at this point so it's a month of content and it's like the right to repair is doing a lot of stuff there's a lot of ruling in america a lot of lows so about that and then there's the signal talking about how much it costs to run the entire network. That was super interesting. And then there's Chrome who wants to pick up again Manifest version 3 and get rid of, you know, these kind of things. And then there's the French police who's using facial recognition, these kind of things.

I'm just starting to put pieces together and I think there's stuff to talk about I don't know how it's going to turn out my the problem with my topics are a lot looser, I have a document that I just

it used to be sorted into categories and then I stopped sorting into categories, and now it's just this list of chaos that I pick things from, and sometimes there's, there, there's probably news topics in there from two years ago that are not at all relevant anymore that I won't ever talk about, they're just on the list still, um, actually, you know what, I, I'll just, I'll just send you what it looks like, because it's, it's, it's not, it's not good, um, here we go,

Good, here we go. Okay, so this is just a small excerpt of the chaos. I'm gonna steal all of your ideas, obviously. Feel free to do so. Let's see. Yeah. I do a similar thing with a NextCloud document. And oh, let me see. I have to get through.

Yeah, I get what you mean when you say like thrown together i know it's it's i would like to say organized chaos but it's mostly just chaos i know how to use the document but no one else needs to know what's a free software absolute i don't know see this is the problem i sometimes write down a topic ideas and don't write down the context and i'm like what the hell are you talking about and that's one of those cases i think i've read a comment and i wanted to rant about it and then i forgot to write down the context and now it's just sitting there yeah that happens to me as well. Usually not for the videos, but I have two documents where I just brainstorm stuff. One is for videos ideas.

The other one is for gifts for my girlfriend. The two important documents I have. And very often I just put something on the gift for girlfriend list and then I completely forgot what even is that. So it does happen to me as well do you at least like include a link to where to get it or you just like you write down a general idea and sometimes I put like uh well I watch a lot of TikTok. This is gonna be controversial.

I do watch a lot of TikTok and sometimes I see products on TikTok that I think are interesting. So I just put a link. Sadly enough, TikTok has this weird habit of deleting videos. I don't know why, which means that when I actually go through the list,

half of the links are broken and I have no idea what they were. So I usually try to write something about what the product is so I can remember. But yeah. Yeah. Okay. We sort of have the same problem then just for different reasons. Um, yeah.

I should be better with this, I used to be, I used to be so, so neat and tidy. Yeah, you start with a lot of, I'll be organized and everything, and then you slowly, nothing goes. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's fine. And the other thing is I get... So I do six videos a week, but I get usually more than six video topics a week, and I sometimes add more than six a week onto the list. So the list is just getting progressively longer and longer and longer. Yeah.

I would like to go back and address some of the old topics but it's just it's just not good there are like the big ones i will just jump on to like one random this this goes back to what i was saying with talking about things that nobody say and cares about um there is this really long thread about ubuntu not using HTTPS for its repos. This is like a, an eight-year-old bug report. It still has not been addressed. They, actually, my favorite part of it is they used to not use HTTPS for the ISO downloads. for the ISO downloads.

The reason why they started doing it is because Chrome literally disabled HTTP downloads and then the next day they fixed it. Because they would just make it so you couldn't download Ubuntu at that point. So like, okay, time to fix the problem. I mean, security is not that important if you think about it. No, definitely not. Privacy.

Ah, come on. Yeah, nah. The best part about the repos is in most Ubuntu releases there has been an RCE that would have been fixed by just using HTTPS repos. So if they just did it, that would be nice. And some of the repos do use it. It's just others don't for no reason. There's never been an explanation for it.

Oh, I recently switched away from Ubuntu. So that's good to hear. What are you using now? I actually switched to Arch. As every KDE developer seems to do. I don't know. I was using KDE Neon for KDE development. Fair enough. And that wasn't working well.

I do not recommend KDE Neon currently. So I just switched to arch and everything works i'm quite surprised because when i do live streams and people ask about this kind of things there's always somebody that says like switch to arch why don't you use arch you switch to and i i've always been like ubuntu works for me. Why should I switch? And I should have, I should have done sooner. I now realize that I should have done sooner. What is the experience been like for you then generally?

I'm sorry? What is the experience on Arch been like for you? Everything works nicely. Yeah. I never, I haven't upgraded yet like never so that might cause some issues but i just switched to it so how long have you been on it then for i think it has been two weeks okay you might want to you might want to do a bit of a package upgrade. I know.

So the thing is, there is an issue. When I upgrade, I need to rebuild everything for KD Plasma. Right. I do compile KD Plasma from source. And when I upgrade packages, I also need to recompile stuff. And that takes hours. And I'm too lazy to wait hours for stuff to recompile. So, yeah.

Yeah, that's a fair point. Do it overnight and hope nothing breaks. How long does it take to build plasma from source plasma on my computer i think it takes two to three hours or something okay what do you like that what are you running so where is it it's on my back let me at this point i think i showcased everything i have so this is my laptop and i think you can recognize that it is a dell xps 13 developer Edition laptop with i5. So, I mean, it's fine.

It's not too fast, but it's not slow either. It's just show-and-tell time with you, isn't it? Right? It's just show-and-tell time for you. You just grab random things you've got sitting around here. I mean, I have everything in this room I might as well. I am very curious to know what your floor looks like. Do you just throw a monitor on the floor?

Do you throw a dress show? I have a feeling that you've angled the camera perfectly so this room looks clean, but in reality it's an absolute disaster so um i will say to my right you should imagine a bed and it's a bed for like two people so it's a big one even though i it's only me but it's still a big bed because of reasons. So everything is currently like stashed on the bed. Then I have the laptop on my left on, I don't know what's the English word for that either, but I'm not going to show it to you

because it's on a big wood thing. I don't know what's the name of it. Yeah, something like that but it's not that bad it's not that bad okay well the fact that you say not that bad when we get to the end of this

I can actually try to move the camera which should be possible but I don't want to try it before we're to the end so that everything breaks we're fine but i can show it later now i will say that i do have convenient framing like i've got my clothes that i've not put away just outside my frame here and there's clothes on the floor over there but the section that you see that's all that matters oh about about that and let me ask a question so yes what's what's the is everything on that library on the back yours and if so what books are that what What mangas are that? Uh, okay, let's grab something random.

Give me one second! I mean, this question just has to be asked, right? I will say that I used to have a lot of books on my backdrop as well some months ago, and it was nice because i was able to showcase all my all of my interests but i don't i don't do that anymore yeah i i'm using headphones i can't hear a word you're saying i know i just said some stuff just for the audience so you won't be able to know what i said i see um yeah so it's mainly mainly a bunch of light novels up here which is manga for people that like to read a bit more

So far it's all stuff that I vaguely recognize but that I don't know. Ah, Koblin's Lair, yeah, I vaguely recognize that one as well. There's a bunch of other stuff on there as well. And then... Actually, wait, can we... No, I need to go this way, the camera's there. Yeah, there we go there's also a guitar over there that I'm very lazy at playing

and there's some PS4 games I also have books that are not anime stuff let me you know what we'll grab something there no I've got a perfect one to grab this is my this is my prized possession okay I found this at a thrift store

and I had to buy it when I saw it that's good that's good there's a bunch of like like philosophy books and stuff and comp side books and stuff down there uh down the bottom there you can see that all that bit down there that's all books that are not in a shelf because i need to get another shelf but for now they're all okay poor books poor books yeah i i

i used to read a lot more. I've been fairly lazy. One of the many things I've been fairly lazy with. There's a lot of stuff in there that I want to get around to reading. I've got both the books from the ex-KCD author down there. I've already read one of them. I don't know if you've... Have you... Are you aware of his books?

I do have one. It's on the other room, though, so I can show it to you. Yeah, yeah. For anyone who hasn't read the XHECD author's books, I'm feeling what his name is right now. But basically, each section is on, like, answering, like, some weird scientific question.

It'll be what happens if you point a magnifying glass as big as the earth at like how how quickly would it light the planet on fire like really dumb things like that just looking into questions that nobody sensible would answer but he's just going to sit there and do it. Yeah, I'm aware of that. That's good stuff. I always enjoy reading this. But yeah, there's a ton of other stuff down there.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm not going to drag it all out. Honestly, the biggest pain for me when i moved was getting all those books here because i needed multiple cardboard boxes full of books and when you have a cardboard box full of books that gets really really heavy i'm aware of that and imagine a cardboard box full of books through an airplane in the same box of a monitor 28 inches so that was not a good way to ship it i guess you just didn't have any better way to do it no i just did any way to know any any way you knew that was better to do it

i tried to put the bag so that it was safe with my clothes around it, but sadly I kind of messed up and didn't work out. Yeah. Well, I wouldn't be surprised if there was, you know, luggage gets thrown around. Was it your carry-on luggage or was it the luggage that you used? No, 28 inches is too big for a carry-on. that's actually a good point yeah it's probably got threw around there's probably something on top of it yeah yeah i tried look i i tried

yeah i i don't think there was any way you were gonna be able to do that without it getting damaged though that's i don't know about that because when i actually it was it was not like terrible damage it was little damage and when i saw where the damage was i mean it was enough to make the whole thing broken but when i saw where the damage was i realized that there was next to it uh some uh metal stuff that i could have put elsewhere so right i kind of i think that if i had organized the whole thing better i could have saved it but i don't like to you know um cry on the spilled milk that's probably not an english saying but cry over spilled milk yeah yeah that is it just phrased it a bit weirdly yeah nice so we've been off the uh the kdu topic for a while

now let's uh let's shift back to that just a little bit um one thing that you were involved in a while back was the uh wallpaper competition and that ended a little bit ago like a week ago well the deadline I think three days ago or something. Okay, maybe it changed since then, because the deadline on the original post was the 14th, but maybe something changed since then. The 14th?

Yeah, that's what it says. Am I that late? Maybe you're just late. Yeah, I'm... The post... I will send you your own post here you go oh no oh no don't tell me this 14th oh my oh my okay so yeah world paper competition let's talk about that so firstly it went great we received so this is information that nobody has heard before so this is absolutely a scoop we received 250 submissions which is great i don't have the number of previous competitions, so I can't compare, but it's a very high number.

And my feeling is that we got a lot of very high quality submissions, even compared to past competitions. So we will have an awesome wallpaper. I'm certain of that. Yeah, I looked at it like right back at the start, and there are some, I'm just clicking on random ones, and there are some really good submissions that have like come in way later and keep in mind that a good percentage of the wallpapers were sent to me privately so you don't even see all of them i've got more and

they're awesome so yes and the thing is now we have to select a sixth finalist and apparently we took five days just to download all the wallpapers because it sounds easy but it isn't you have to actually go ahead and manually like by hand download 250 wallpapers and even though we have rules everybody just forgets about them and keeps submitting wrong sizes wrong files so we have to actually get in touch with people and say hey you messed up i'm not gonna disqualify you but please send the correct files. And then we had this one rule, which was, please don't use AI art.

That was simple enough. I did see a couple of those early on, yeah. And the thing is, now, I couldn't understand it if you use AI art and you try to cheat and you hope nobody notices. But I actually went ahead and people are like oh we are not supposed to do that and i'm like it's in the rules have you even read the

rules like come on now it's incredible the amount of people that just actually takes time i mean not the ai artist but it takes time to do artwork and everything without even reading the basic rules. I'm just, yeah. Now we have all the wallpapers, all 250 of them, and we will start looking through them to select the finalists. This is going to take a few days at least, but yeah. days at least but uh yeah now whilst a lot of the art is really good um i think we can agree which one's not going to win so when i was again manually downloading them by hand i went through this this wallpaper which you should totally show it's going on screen right now okay beautiful so and i actually asked myself okay should i download this and include this in the so the thing is i can actually

disqualify this immediately because it doesn't meet the requirement for resolution this one is 720 720 whereas we require 5k so the thing is i actually um sidestepped this rule pretty often because people just couldn't figure out how to upload 5k images to the to the our forum i thought why should i disqualify this let's just download it like everything else so yes it is within the 250 submissions and we will judge it i cannot tell you if if like we like it or not because but yeah that's fair I can tell you that I did receive very early in the competition when I had more energy

a submission that was very similar to it in quality and again 720p and I actually replied to this person saying hey great submission but it, 720p. And I actually replied to this person saying, hey, great submission, but it's 720p. We need 5K.

And this person actually replied to me and sent a new wallpaper, like the same one. Still 720p. Still 720p. I was like... Uh-huh. So, yeah. But, sure. Right off the audio, listeners um what we are looking at right now let me let

me just explain this okay so good luck um in the top left we have text that says kd plasma 5 already got the version wrong um our lord and savior con and... I didn't even notice that. Our lord and savior, Konky, and black text in the middle with really stretched pictures of Konky, like, all over the place, and text that says, you should have received a copy of the GPO-V3 license in text that's really difficult to read now I'm not a judge okay so I'm allowed to give my opinion here I don't think this one should win but you guys can work that one out for yourself let's pick one section who

knows I did here we go he's just a random one like obviously you can't give your opinion on like which one should win but like this is the level of quality we were seeing in some of these submissions oh yes this one I I don't I don't envy your position I do not I do not envy the position of having to work out like which of these are going to be like in the final set like there are so many good options yes there are

and let me tell you the one I received privately are very good as well so and I think the biggest question is gonna be what art style to go towards. Because we have 3D renderings.

And then we have handmade drawings. And then we have low poly stuff. And then we have Microsoft-like wallpapers. So there's, and then a vector art graph. There's a lot of different styles. What I would like to do, but again, it's going to be up to all of the judges. So this is just my personal opinion.

How many people are involved in judging? Yes, I am one of the six judges. Six, okay. And what I would like to do, what I would like to see is for us to be able to have, we select six finalists, and I would like the six finalists to be very different in art style with each other.

So maybe one 3D rendering, one handmade drawing. I don't know, but something like that would make me happy. But of course, we haven't even started discussing that. So I don't know but something like that would make me happy but of course we haven't even started discussing that so I don't know well I wish you guys the best of luck no matter what ends up happening

there's going to be a good wallpaper that's what's going to happen there is no concern whatsoever about there being really good pieces to choose from. Yes, and what I'm also wondering is after that wallpaper, because it's very easy to pick one wallpaper, what ideally would happen is that we're able to have some sort of style that remains the same throughout Plasma 6 wallpapers. Okay.

Obviously, it's difficult to do because you have to contact the author and ask the author to make other wallpapers in the same style or ask somebody else to do that. So, not easy. But we are certain Plasma 6 is going to have an awesome wallpaper. I personally am wondering about Plasma 6.1.2 and so on. I didn't think about that. Yeah. Huh.

If I can add one thing, one of my personal quests is to convince KD to hire an artist to do wallpapers. Because it's just three wallpapers every year. So we wouldn't have to hire one, just contract one for three wallpapers a year. And it's just three wallpapers a year it wouldn't be that expensive so last time i tried my idea was shut down by the kd board so but this time we've got more money so hopefully i would like kd to actually start paying for an artist well that would definitely allow for a more consistent style

yeah and we would make sure that the artist that we use the wallpaper of actually gets something in reward because I don't know I have this, I think that

it's fairly normal in open source projects to consider, like we all do code. And I think we are just used to thinking that everybody contributes to open source projects for free, and that's completely normal. But the thing is, code is very different from art which is very different from promotion and stuff and whereas it's very easy to have a very good team of developers working on an open source project if you want to do art it's completely different

and it's very important i think right now to pay the artists that you're using to do the art because right now artists are kind of having a bad time so generally speaking so i think it's particularly important to put money there compared to developers but of course when you pitch the idea to developers i i think they kind of don't see the difference between contributing code and contributing art and i think it's completely different so what was the um the concern with allowing air because i know that was one of the things you mentioned was just so um ai art is extremely controversial. Even within, okay, I'm saying even within the team of KD developers,

but in fact, everybody has an opinion. I have a different one. So the controversy is purely between me and everybody else. So not controversial. I'm just, so firstly, artists as a whole are quite angry at AI art because of the obvious claims of AI art is actually stealing our art because it's trained is blah blah blah so I've actually written an article about that on tech art website which goes into depth about this. It's something I understand, but I actually don't agree with that. I don't think that stealing art is representative of what actually happens.

But regardless, I understand the stance and our projects, such as Krita, which has a very big artist audience, they clearly took a stance against AE art and that was very popular obviously and it was truthful like krita developers are strongly against ai art and most of kd developers are as well again personally i have a different opinion but so just allowing AI art as a general idea would have been a mess just because of the discussions that would have arised. But even if we wanted to do that, we have got copyrights problems. We need the wallpaper to be CC by, Productive Commons by.

months by. AI art, being able to copyright AI art is currently an extremely unclear topic that changes a lot from state to state. So like Steam does, Steam currently does not accept any submission containing AI art, not because they say they are against AI art, but it's just impossible to be sure that you actually own the copyright of that piece. So we just, if you see the rules, it states that everything should be under copyright creative commons. And because of that, we are not allowing AI art. So it's presented as being a legal issue.

And it is one. But even if it wasn't, there'll still be major disagreements, and probably we wouldn't accept them anyway. On the topic of AI art, is there any policy within the KDE project around AI code? There's no policy that I know of. I think with code the thing is that maybe some developers use

those tooling personally but you don't actually disclose that now i don't think anybody really uses them a lot there might some big companies disallow using them because the code that you insert into AI, especially if it's like open AI, it goes towards their servers and therefore might get public, get into the training data and it might get, you know, all of that issues.

We are open source, not a big issue of that but so there's no like rule against it but i'm not aware of anybody doing that and personally i sometimes do ask i don't know qml or javascript questions to chat gpt just if i need a very quick function and of course i just look through it and i check it's correct i just don't copy paste blindly but it's you know small pieces of code there's no real policy that i'm aware of except obviously that you can't copyright stuff so it's a legal mess yeah i bring it up because github recently um made github uh what is it github copilot chat public which is their like integration of chat gpt into copilot so now it's like you can ask these questions directly in github.

So if this idea of AI generated code is going to become a... It's going to become a more widespread thing like AI art is as well. And I have no doubts that you're going to start seeing more of the... similar to what you see with the AI art stuff, where some will just generate something blindly, not touch it up or anything, just generate something and then submit that as an idea. And I have no doubts you're going to start seeing people doing that with code submissions as well, where they generate some code that the AI says works, and then it's like, well, it doesn't really.

It's just, it's theoretically worked in an imaginary system, but not in this one. Yeah, currently I'm not aware of an AI model that is able to go through a large code base because KDE's code base is extremely large and is still able to produce code that does what you're asking for again if Again, if it's small snippets, it's okay. We did kind of look into applications of AI models for stuff like bug reporting. If we want to very quickly pack that a bug has been fired correctly, stuff like that, but nothing really came out of it. What I'm waiting for, i would like to experiment more i'm i'm i like what ai is the latest developments in ai overall other kiddie developers are more skeptical but not

because of a like there's reason they have reasons to be skeptical and i fully understand them personally i i what i think could be useful is to be able to currently like chat gpt is able to get an image see it understand it incredibly well as an example i can take a screenshot of system settings i can give it to chat gpt and i can tell you can tell him um it hey i want to change the wallpaper which button should i click and chat gpt and i can tell you can tell him um it hey i want to change the wallpaper which button should i click and chat gpt is gonna say yes you have to click this button which is underneath that one and on top of that one so it works really well it's not able to actually tell tell you the coordinates of the button if it was able to do that then it would be able to do a bot that interacts with Plasma for you. Currently, we are not able to do that.

But if that was feasible, then we could have stuff like automated testing, where we actually tell ChatGPT, hey, test that changing the wallpaper is working. And then ChatGPT takes a screenshot and then clicks on the button, takes another screenshot, stuff like that. That would help a lot because currently doing testing involves getting the code of every button to be clicked and that takes a lot of time. So this would be easier.

Or even just taking a bug report and reproducing that bug report automatically. So there is a lot of things we could do, but currently I have not found anything that is good enough to actually be proposed to the wider community. It's just ideas. I haven't had a chance to test it,

but one of the things that GitHub is claiming that Copilot Chat can do is with their enterprise policy, they can have it be trained on a specific enterprise codebase and then be more specialized around that. I have no idea if this would actually work well, but assuming that it does what they say it would, that would sort of be the idea about training around, like, you know, around a code base like what KDE has and then generating things that make more sense within that context. Once again, these models tend to hallucinate quite a bit,

so it might still produce nonsense, but I'm curious to see how it would actually play out with, like, a a real world code base. Yes, that's true. Keep in mind, though, that as KD, we just cannot rely on tools provided by GitHub because they're closed source and everything. So we wouldn't be able to use them at all. So there's that. I also have been experimenting with ai stuff for personal use cases

even the youtube channel like writing scripts is something that text models should be able to do but currently i've found ai generated text to be quite weak i do use them to do like summaries stuff like that that's nice or you know, writing bullet points these kind of things that are useful but actually writing scripts and stuff, I don't think they are there yet but I just

experiment and see how it goes things are getting a lot better for sure, like if we look back you know a year, two years in the past things were in such a worse state. I have I have no doubt that these tools are going to be Regardless of the legal issues which are a major issue that need to be dealt with and I expect there to be some Interesting things that come out of the there's currently a lawsuit going on against OpenAI, Microsoft, and GitHub. They tried to get it thrown out.

The judge was like, no, we're not doing that. So I'm curious to see what ends up coming out of that. And I have no doubt there's going to be other cases that come along that try to answer some of these legal questions. Like, what does it mean for there to be AI generated art? Like is that something that is Can you sell that? Like what can you, is it allowed for personal use? Like what is actually allowed for this? Because whilst a lot of people have opinions on What should be allowed and what is or is not a good idea for artists

None of these questions have been properly answered yet to a point that is sufficient that I'd be comfortable saying one way or another. And even worse, this changes from state to state. So when it comes to an international project like KDE is, that makes everything more complex. And we can talk about copyright laws, the comic that tried to get copyrighted in America specifically, Zandia, Zasomething, I don't remember the exact name right now.

And they actually managed to get the copyright because they said, yes, it's AI art, but also I changed the image and selected them. And then it kind of was revoked, but not entirely. It's quite a complex story just in the USA. And then you've got UK, which is doing its own laws. And then Europe is currently

working on AI legislation it's all changing very quickly and of course it's still trying to catch up with the latest developments in AI while still we're getting some pretty big advancements so right now I mean I'm not waiting to see what happens i'm actively experimenting with their technology but uh there's still a lot of things to happen one of the places that i've been paying like close attention to is the voice synthesis stuff like this has gotten i remember a couple of months back it was pretty bad bad. Like, it was, you could be like, oh, you know, it kind of sounds like a person. Like, now I'm hearing some stuff that's being done, and I, in a lot of cases, cannot.

Obviously, you can tell if you're hearing, you know, someone say something they would never have said before, but the actual voice itself in many cases sounds near perfect and that's kind of terrifying. Like it, you know, if you had an audio recording of someone you're like, okay that's something that was said. That's not the case anymore. Like something that was said. That's not the case anymore. Like, you can train something fairly quickly and generate audio that is near lifelike in a short amount of time that, you know, the idea of video evidence, the idea of audio evidence is just very quickly not becoming a thing that is at all relevant. very quickly not becoming a thing that is at all relevant.

I'm not able to distinguish between authentic voice and voice generator anymore. And I can tell you that because, again, I do use a lot of TikTok. A lot of content in TikTok is voiceovers reading Reddit posts. And I just cannot distinguish again anymore whether a human or ai is reading those reddit posts i just don't know did you see um youtube put out a plan to do ai disclosure on videos where because youtube's also having the same problem there's a lot of AI generated content I vaguely saw that but I didn't read through it yet

the idea is like with like sponsored videos we have to disclose that it is a sponsored video you will have to disclose that this is an AI generated video you've used AI to generate parts of the content here and I look I think it's just a it is a good idea to have that

Whether it's You know where else are the legal issues that happen or not? Having this clear indication of what is the content? Are you actually watching something being made by a person or is this just some, you know, it is- does this exist solely for the purpose of farming ad revenue with absolutely no work going into it at all? Like, having that there, like, there are channels that exist, you know, as you're saying, that just read out reddit posts and that's something you can really easily automate, like, yeah, I- having that be disclosed,

I think is just a good thing. I don't have any explanation, or any argument against doing that. My only argument is how can we know whether somebody is lying? Because yes, currently we do have automatic tools for stuff like images and voice text it has been proven that text is basically impossible to recognize recognize whether it's ai or not

and by the way i've seen a lot of teachers using ai recognizing stuff that's doing a mess. We just cannot distinguish between the two right now. Reliably, of course. And I'm just wondering whether that's going to continue. Maybe that's going to happen for voice and video as well. Very possible. There's always going to be people that try to cheat the system without a doubt people do the same thing with sponsored videos, they will be like

this is not a sponsored video ignore the briefcase of money on the corner, it's fine so I have no doubt people will be like yeah this is not AI generated even though it very obviously is but assuming people are being trustworthy Like, yeah, it's not AI generated, even though it very, very obviously is.

But assuming people are being trustworthy, which is a hard thing to assume in many cases, I think in those cases, it's definitely a good thing. But you can't just assume that it's not AI generated because someone didn't say it is, I guess is a good way to put it. I can see. I see this as a bit of a challenge if anybody who follows me sees this, but I did an experiment and I did publish a video that is 75% written by AI, copy pasting. I just tried to see how it went.

And so far, nobody said anything about it the video went fairly well i didn't like it personally like i recorded everything i watched it and i still published but i just didn't like it so i never did it again but one of my videos is 75 percent ai and 25 percent me so i say this as a challenge go ahead and figure out which one it is it feels to me like it's pretty obvious because it has such a different style but it's not obvious at all apparently not uh i guess this goes back to what you're saying where it's it's kind of hard to distinguish the AI text. But I think with that, it also...

Because you're the one saying it, even if it is... Even if someone does notice, like, a style change, maybe they're like, oh, okay, he's just, like, changed the style, or someone else wrote the video. Like, that's a pretty easy thing to assume before you would assume AI-generated text. Yeah. that's a pretty easy thing to assume before you would assume ai generated text but on that on that note i guess it's about time we uh end off the video we just hit the uh two hour mark do we time flies it does yeah so uh so yeah i guess I can actually try to show you the room now.

If you want to, yeah. Give me... Yes, let me turn on the light. Now the light is actually on, and I can actually try to detach the camera. Just give me a sec. You're going to cut this away from the audio only podcast right because otherwise it doesn't make any sense at all uh i might do that unless i forget to well if you're listening to this and

you don't see any video or blame him let's have... Here we go. Okay. Okay. Oh, okay, so we've got a bunch of books over there. Oh, that's how he's doing the lights. I see. Ah!

That's the... Okay, that's really cool. So you've got the blackboard wall. He's written maths or something. I don't know what any of that is. Making a bomb or something. I don't know. I don't know what any of that is. Make it a bomb or something. I don't know. That's a wall, I think? Yeah. And then... Okay, there's the bed with a bunch

of junk on it. I see. I see the... Okay, so he threw them onto a bed. I thought he just threw it on the floor that's a really small room oh wow okay now i have no clue how to put this back uh hello but yes now i'm gonna keep so it probably did you didn't see that but when i put this away my elgato kilite just fell through my desk so it's now laying on the

oh that's good okay well hopefully it's okay it's probably fine well uh let the people know where they can find you where they can find all everything you want to mention yes so first of all there's my youtube channel because i have one i think i mentioned that briefly through the video and that is called Nico Loves Linux. You can just search it. I do KDE development but I talk about what I do on my channel so if you're interested in that you can just go there. And everything else worth of note is on my website which is just nico.love and that's it that's everything you should know about me there's a dot love tld yes and in order to get nico.love i had to contact

the person behind the dot love domain because it was listed at around 1,000 euros a tier. And I was like, I'm not going to pay that. So I actually contacted the guy saying, hey, can you actually, you know, lower the price a bit? And he did. So now I have it. Wow, that's nice. I have it. Wow, that's nice.

I guess also check out KDE stuff. There is a fundraiser going on right now. Yes, there's a Plasma 6 fundraiser. We're currently trying to get to 500 users to contribute 100 euros every year.

So currently we are 75% through the goal. So if you're able to contribute 100 euros every year so currently you are 75 through the goal so if you're able to contribute a bit you get you become a supporting member and that comes with some benefits like having your name on the web page um yeah anything else you want to mention or is that pretty much it that's good for me okay well as for me while you struggle to mention, or is that pretty much it? That's good for me. Okay, well, as for me, while you struggle to hold the camera there, I have the gaming channel that is BrodyOnGames. I stream on Twitch and YouTube twice a week. Probably, I don't know what I'm playing through,

because this will be out in a couple of weeks. Maybe I've finished Armored Core 6, and and I probably finished Kingdom Hearts Dream Drop Distance in which case I don't know what I'm playing maybe Neptunia sisters vs. sisters I don't know check back in might be playing Devil May Cry might be playing God of War It's a mystery check it out check it out that's a really I actually don't you might want to use that angle for something that's kind of a nice

angle doesn't have a microphone? yeah that's the problem, the mic's nowhere near you the main channel Brodie Robertson, I do Linux videos there six days a week. Uh, there'll be something there. Check it out.

And if you're watching the video version of this, there is a audio version on pretty much any audio podcast platform. Search for Tech Over Tea and you'll find it. If you're listening to the audio version, you'll find the video on YouTube at Tech Over Tea. Also, clips are there as well. So if you don't want to watch the entire thing, there will probably be a short form of various parts of the

video. Um, yeah. I really do like that angle. Half the video is being cut off, uh, in, like, the overlay I've got here, but, like, the actual video I'm seeing on Discord, maybe you want to mess around with that. I don't know. Uh,

anyway, I'll give you the final word. Now you've got to reach for the mic. What do you want to say? Thanks, everybody, for watching. Don't forget to subscribe and like the video. Peace out.