Tech Over Tea - Even Vtubers Can Switch To Linux | KYLONEKO

Episode Date: October 18, 2024

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Good morning, good day, and good evening. I'm, as always, your host, Brody Robertson. And today, I think we're around episode 241. Eventually, I'll get the number correct. Um, I- I don't really care enough. I never get it correct anyway. Um, anyway, today, we have a VTuber on the show. It's been a little bit since we last had someone on. I think Ren- I reckon Ren was the last one we had on. But today, this is someone who is trying to make VTubing easier on Linux because the software is built around Windows and Mac, but you can get the Windows stuff working. So welcome to the show, Kylo Neko. How's it going? It's going pretty good. Linux is pretty good.

So how long have you actually been using uh linux for at this point so i've been using linux since march starting on that laptop i have in my room and i was like testing out some distros on it like i started off on like i actually started off on arch with like endeavor os and then i was like okay well it froze my laptop so let's try something else i get on linux mint and i'm like all right this is this is the one then i start doing a lot of experimenting wait what weren't you arch that early because i've talked about like my journey plenty of times and like starting on arch but i i don't usually see most people doing that oh it's like i was

just really i was like looking at the distros and i was like oh this looks pretty cool like because like i i'm i'm like getting tired of using windows with how like how they're doing that and i could definitely get into that yeah definitely if you want to do that we can do that oh yeah oh yeah but like i started out on endeavor because i thought oh this is is pretty neat. It has this stuff. I got to try out Wayland on it. I got to try out KDE on it. Then I always felt like something was a little off with it, especially when the laptop froze.

So I was like, I kind of wonder what happened. And this is like, I think I installed it like two or three times. And I kept somehow breaking something on it. So I was like, what other OS can I use? I don't want to use Ubuntu. It uses snaps and stuff. on it so i was like what other os can i use like i don't want to use ubuntu uh it's like it uses snaps and stuff so i was like let me try linux mint and see what happens with that and i start using it like oh my god this is like windows 7 but better that is without the bullshit yeah

that's definitely the design they go for um for better or worse right like i've talked about like the concern of doing something to windows like for someone who's new to linux because you can fall into the trap of thinking it is windows like especially in the cases where people you know install linux for someone else it's obviously different if you do it for your own system but you know you'll you'll see people online like i installed linux for my parents computer and it's obviously different if you do it for your own system but you know you'll you'll see people online like i installed linux for my parents computer and it's like if you put mint or zorin like it looks windowsy and i get that like people might feel familiar with it but there's things they might try to do that don't work and then you're gonna have to deal with more tech support and just don't be tech support for your family it's not worth it

yeah so like i've actually used linux way before then um but i wasn't i wasn't like really daily driving it like that's when i started to daily drive it like all the way back when i was in middle school i somehow mounted a zorin os iso so i didn't know what it was onto my sister's computer and i installed it via power iso and it just installed and I'm like, oh. Like... Uh... And then she was like, what happened to my Windows? I was like, it's, uh, different now.

Did you nuke the data on it or was that safe? Everything was gone. Okay! That's the real concern. But she used it after all she said it was okay to watch youtube videos on back then and then before that it was like when i was in like community college i was like trying out ubuntu to see what it was and this was like back in 2016

this was like old ubuntu stuff and i was just like, I'm not vibing with this one right now but then like after Do you know what version that was? Oh, I think it was actually I don't remember what version it was it was very old though I remember a purple screen and maybe an animal on it but they all have the same thing

No, if it's purple it's gotta be um I think it's gotta be post post, like, 16, 17, something like that. Because there was a period where everything was brown, then everything was orange, and now everything's purple. But I don't remember when they swapped to purple. Interesting. It's an old version version but it's not like

you're not talking like warty wart hog oh no no it's not like you're trying to go into distro C and then you go into the DE called sugar oh god that's a that's a DE that exists yeah oh yeah yeah I was laughing my ass

off when that was happening, when Vinny showed me that. Let's see if I can find a picture of it. Because I imagine there's a lot of people that don't... Oh, right, there's a Fedora spin of Sugar. I forgot about that. It's on... It's on Trisquel Linux.

Pick Sugar, and then you'll just... And then there you go. Okay, cool. Yeah. pick sugar and then you'll just uh and then there you go okay it's like yeah honestly i should i should do like a proper video on on sugar at some point funny it's very uh it's very different and i wasn't expecting what i was looking at i was like uh yeah yeah uh i i don't look i'm sure it's it's fine for the people that use it maybe or like the use case it has but i don't know maybe it's has some funny stuff going on behind the scenes everybody's like cinnamon pop os uh cosmic and then kde but we don't know anybody who uses sugar yet and we should be afraid

honestly i'm sure there's one person in my audience that actually uses it i've seen there's people who've been like yeah i use like twm which is a window manager from the 90s and it hasn't been updated since about the 90s oh yeah as long as it's stable and it works that's all that matters really yeah yeah i'm surprised but you know xorg xorg's pretty much solid so as long as you can as long as you can compile it and like your c compiler doesn't break it you're probably gonna be fine yeah yeah but i i kind of sidetracked you you're talking about a buden to one of the purple versions oh yeah i was one of the purple versions back then and i was like oh this kind

of isn't my thing i was just using windows from that point on for like well it's like seven ultimate windows 10 but like when windows 11 was coming out um i i noticed that they were releasing a thing called recall and i the first thing i do is when I see it, I quote, tweet it like this is spyware. I don't want spyware. Yeah. Yeah. I felt pretty much the same way.

And then there was like some YouTube recently starting to circulate, which is something that I had a theory on to where windows was actually screwing with updates to make it as if you're to make you, they were actually taking away updates in that point where it was causing your computer to become less stable. And I was noticing that because I was like, my computer was flipping out after it updated once. I was like, what's going on with this? So I was like, you know what?

I don't want to wait until October. I'm going to install Linux Mint on my main system. So because by then I was like, I think it was like April into May. By then I was like getting everything going. So I've already like ended up experimenting with it. And by the time I had it all going and i had it going right i started to think about like okay well i got all this information from all these different sources why wasn't it all or not in one spot and then i started writing a guide and uh it got very interesting from there

so what was it about mint that grabbed you? Because obviously there's a ton of other distros. If you go from Arch to basically anything, it's gonna feel a lot easier to do things. But like, obviously there's the Windows-y look to Cinnamon, but was there anything else to it? Yeah. One of the main things is like, unlike using a distribution like Ubuntu, if you use Ubuntu that's fine, if it's good for your use case. But since I like to use Mint,

I notice a lot of these websites, whenever they are sending out, making an app like Fightcade, for example, they're not going to give you an AUR package. Somebody else is going to have to make that. And maybe, I don't know what the deal with Fedora is, but it might be similar. But the official people will either supply a

flat pack which works on all distros at least a modern or they'll supply you with an app image and these sites that do that make it more compatible for people to use computers like that they don't already have it figured out via the aur or whatever is fedora is using as far as like dnf packages go um yeah with fedora they do have a thing called copper which is like oh it's it's sort of a mix of aur and ppas from ubuntu um where people make like the it's users that make the package like the aur but you get to build the package on Fedora's infrastructure.

So it's not being built locally. So it's a little bit different, but it serves pretty much the same purpose. And then Ubuntu, if we're talking like five or so years ago, PPAs were a lot more popular

for distributing packages like this. There was a time where if you wanted to use Wine on Ubuntu and have an up-to-date version, would get it from the wine ppa i think they've moved it now to something else but yeah like that was the way you would do it then but other systems have come across which are more like universal so it makes more sense for things to just be using those instead oh yeah definitely because like when i was trying to install a game called Warguss, which is basically like a decompiled Warcraft 1,

it said to use the PPA for your system. And I was like, what? This won't work on this system. I'm using Ubuntu Noble technically. So I'm just like, all right, what do I do? I was like, I can decompile it. I eventually just was like, okay, I'm just going to download the mod for Warcraft 3 and just do it that way let's play warcraft 1 through that um

i am kind of interested in using fedora which is why i have an extra computer which i did talk about before um in your discord that uh that was i was gonna do that once i got all that figured out to have like a like a living room pc or something but like yeah that does seem a little interesting to me but like right now like as far as like daily driving goes like linux fence is what i'm using and uh it's it's what i used to write the guide after i got it all done too um i am kind of glad i ended up getting help with it because when i wrote the guide it wasn't exactly grammatically correct and then rogrin sort of helped me with that yeah that's pretty cool not exactly grammatically correct is one way to put it like i read through it and i like by the time i got to the end i was honestly

considering doing my own like request on it to fix it but i'm happy that ren uh ren was working on that yeah i still don't know how to like properly merge a fork but i did give ren uh contributor credits at the end what i did is i like took the fork grabbed the readme file and just kind of swapped them swap them around and then it works so like you know as long as this you know is providing the right information at least and as more um some more technologies ends up getting released which i do eventually want to start adding stuff for vr chat on there because technically that's a platform that vtuber is used and there's a thing called alvr um people may not want to buy a cord or

a headset so i mean you might want to get an oculus for that and maybe an extra battery as like an alternative um and i guess you'd have it hooked up to the wall and have it wireless but yeah you had an alvr developer on a little while back um it's a really cool project i i don't do vr myself i don't really have any like use case for it i also i kind of get a bit motion sick doing vr so oh yeah uh i i can do i can do like um what do you call it uh beat saber and games where you kind of stand still and things come towards you but anything that involves like heavily moving and yeah i'm just not really good with it like some games are better than others but like for the most part like i'm very

very sensitive to to motion sickness in vr not in not in anything else like in a car in like a roller coaster nothing like that just vr oh yeah like i guess like to get your v2 vtuber legs get your get your vr legs you would um you just start playing vr chat and like like you said the beat saver because those are probably the most two common games to play for vr right now and honestly like most people who start out on vr usually start out on vr chat right and it's usually like very it's it's a lot different than it was a while ago you don't see a whole bunch of knuckles start going do you know the way but like uh it's definitely still fun to do as long as like you know you have that technology to do it and some people like uh zentra or philian for example they

use vr well i i hope eventually once it gets to the point to where people start getting more on linux um because right now from looking at from the market share windows is losing a lot of people like oh it's exaggerated but a lot of people like there's like a big chunk of people that are like leaving that and they're either going into the mac uh whatever the unknown os is which i guess they're still sorting that out and then the uh and then linux because linux like i think like a couple weeks ago went from 4.45 to 4.55 oh i mean that one like the os market share like that's the market share website yeah like those numbers i i i'm always exact that you don't really have good numbers that's the thing

right like you can you can look at steam hardware survey you can look at this and you can make some like rough estimates uh i i guess you can't really use them to indicate the absolute percentage but you can use them to indicate a trend and it seems like they're trending upwards oh yeah because people are like getting more into it because they're like oh the steam deck can do this because the steam's starting to become more mainstream you're starting to see the steam deck appear in stores now people can just buy that um you can you can go to gamestop and get it now like it's starting to become more of a thing to where valve is like at least in it well inadvertently applying this uh linux environment because i think when they were originally making their steam machines they didn't want to pay Windows anyways,

which is why they made SteamOS 1 and 2. And when they did eventually do that, they perfected it in a way with the Steam Deck. I'm surprised they haven't released Steam Machines with a Steam Deck on it yet, which I feel like is going to happen at some point. It's not going to be Alienware branded. It's just going to be Steam branded because they can do it. So, I mean, more people are going to be more inclined

to do that, especially when the PS5 is like $700 Yeah, the PS5 Pro is very, very rough That's fucking rough right there I think you can buy a Steam, like a bottom end Steam deck

and a Switch for the same price Do 79 used or whenever they have it on sell which you can get just two ways to get a used switch when they have a cell or they also have a separate site where i mean not a switch but a steam deck yeah yeah but with the steam deck they also have a separate site for refurbished consoles that includes the older models and the newer models. So it's a really good deal, and I suggest anybody who's wanting to get into Linux,

just to play the games, if they're into that, to try that, to at least get their foot in the door. And it seems like a lot of people are liking it a lot, because I don't see too many people install Windows on it. Yeah, you have YouTubers doing it just to show that it can be done. I mean, you could technically install MS-DOS on it. I mean, it just takes time to kind of go through that, you know?

Yeah, like, most people aren't really using... There's certain games that won't work on the Steam Deck, and actually, did you hear something that happened very recently? I think yesterday. GTA 5, they decided to fix the hackers problem in multiplayer by putting in BattleEye and not enabling the Linux support. That's crazy. Yeah, which means it's probably going to happen in GTA 6 as well,

which is, yeah, very good. But 95% of the games don't do that, so, uh, ProtonDBOP. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Yeah, you pretty much, the only things you get that don't, like, absolutely don't work are, like, your competitive shooters,

which... Oh, yeah. To be fair, I don't exactly want to play something like Warzone, Rainbow Six Siege, things like that on a Steam deck now obviously games like genshin are a problem and that is something you probably would want to play on it now there are ways you can get it to work that um the universe does not exactly like to know this um but yes there are

ways it can be done um i wish they would enable proper support but games like fortnite as well like that that's a game that a lot of people play on mobile anyway so you'd probably want to play it on something like that but if you're not a competitive shooter player like most other things are pretty much good at this point regarding the steam machines like the reason why valve initially made those is that was around the time of windows 8 where like the Microsoft Store was first becoming a thing and they were kind of worried it would become kind of like the Apple ecosystem where, you know, on the mobile devices you need to get things through the store

and it's very like heavily encouraged to get things through the store on the desktop as well. And they were kind of worried the same thing would happen on Windows and I get why they were worried I'm very happy that valve has been like very heavily invested in Linux for a long long time now it definitely has like a ripple effect because when they started to release their proton to like make it better because it because before they did have an early stage at some point, I don't even think it was called Proton,

but they were making it and they released it. And then it started to make stuff like VTubing on Linux more possible after it started to go down there in that way. I'm running, I don't even think I've updated it yet, but I'm running GEProton 9-11 to run VTube Studio right now. I'm using an ip config file to run it through my assets folder and i'm using a face tracker uh flat pack which didn't come out too long ago it's actually been out for maybe a couple months

thank goodness i didn't want to like have to go through terminal to do that it just does it automatically and it works how it's intended to. Which is really cool. So I guess we probably should talk about the VTuber guide. Do I have the link? Oh, yeah. Yes, I do. Okay. So. Yeah.

Before we actually talk about the guide, just a random question. Why is it on Codeburg? Because GitHub is ass. Fair. And the reason why I say that is because I tried to create it. I tried to, like, make create it i tried to like make it visible and this wouldn't make it visible and i'm like what's going on with this i just want to put it out here but what do you mean make it and it is i i didn't i didn't understand how

github worked oh okay fair enough i was like i'll try codeberg and i'm like oh this makes much more sense i don't think i've ever actually used Codeburg but there's nothing wrong with it at the end of the day like GitHub, GitLab SourceHut, Giddy they can all interface with each other it's all Git underneath and they're all pretty much similar enough interfaces

like yeah I know if you're a company and you need all the CICD stuff yeah sure they're different but like if literally all you're doing is git push, git pull, it's fine. It's fine. Yeah, I just didn't understand how GitHub worked

because I was just like, this is frustrating. Let me try this other thing Ren told me about. Oh, Codeburg. This actually works. Holy crap. Okay, so this guide is quite a bit to the guide. Oh, yeah. So where do we begin?

What should we begin with? Honestly, when it comes to this guide, it's basically breaking it down to where like you're beginning to like oh i want to vtube on linux where and why do i do well let me go ahead and start by using this guide that way it will then give me a good reference or point of reference to where i can actually start and going and to be fair like if i didn't start using linux vinny wouldn't be either like like as vinny started using arts like after i got done with like making the guide and everything which is amazing because you know it shows that the guide has some influence on that so like when i started to like get this all set up i was like okay i need to make

this super simple because a lot of things are not very simple on Linux and people will get frustrated really fast. I need to have images, which I haven't updated the wording on the PDFs or even the copy of the document file, but it does have the visuals on what you can be doing for that. That way you're not going to run into any issues. And if you do run into any issues and if you do run into issues they're gonna be very minimal in comparison to somebody who doesn't know what they're doing because um all this information that's on the document is either information that i had taken time to experiment with or is stuff that i found on the internet that was all spread out because

that's the issue with trying the vtube on linux it's all spread out and it's not in one spot it needs to be in one spot or it needs to be all linked together in like a web link or whatever, like WebRing is kind of like how NeoCities does it, that way it continues to give you that point of reference, that way you're not running into any more problems with everything

I was going to ask you like what what existed already out there, like how much of this stuff did you just work out for yourself how much had already existed but was just like disconnected content and yeah just oh yeah yeah so basically like a lot of the stuff that was like disconnected was like like like ren sort of helped with like the whole dinchy soft thing because that worked out well and that's sort of like like you had you had friends guides you had other people's guides as well um you had these programs that were recommended like it's like it's not in one place and it's stuff like needing to get like

lewis as well as like you know vts pog mix it up you know you know these programs that do work on linux through these uh compatibility layers in order to actually make them you know you know these programs that do work on linux through these uh compatibility layers in order to actually make them you know possible for working because um a lot of the stuff is spread out between a lot of these different vtubers who have you know these videos like i think uh when i was like pulling it out and i was like finalizing the guide i saw something about the magic mirror where cybercon made something well that has a good possibility of working on linux and same thing with 3d vtuber robo and tux guides is the one who made vtuber tracker like i want to give people credit where credit is due but i also want it to all be in one spot where people can go

oh i could find it here oh that's easy oh i gotta install it oh it works oh my god i can use linux you know stuff like that. And like one of the main barriers with trying to VTube on Linux is people, um, you know, as you said before, like people might eventually start thinking that it's windows. Well,

it's not windows. Windows is very, windows does things very straightforward that way. Cause, cause they assume that the consumer doesn't know what they're doing. Um, when, when you're using like a simple to use distro,

you sort of have to like experiment with it a little bit before you can start like to get into it. And a lot of these people, you know, when they do eventually get tired of using Windows 11, there's going to be at least a decent chunk of them. They might move over to Linux or Mac or whatever, but let's hope they move Linux and if they choose a distribution that they like, then they should be able to start using this guide if they're a VTuber. And it will definitely give them that good way of getting the job done.

That's why it's all broken down. Like, here are all your prerequisites. Here are what you need or what you might need. 3D VTubing is possible on Linux. 2D VTub tubing is possible on linux 2d v tubing is possible on x there is a a thing for video tube um for the png tubing which i should add to this list because i haven't done it yet um because i've been using it a couple streams but like there's a lot of things that this just works if you're willing to go through the guide and actually go

through that hoop. Like the main hoop is just like this going on Linux in general, but like just trying to get it all taken care of with like the getting your district, you know, choosing your distribution because a lot of people have like this decision paralysis and like, what distribution should I choose?

Choose the one that you're comfortable with that you feel like is easier enough to use for you. And um when you're going through this what you would do is you would you know you'd start out with the prerequisites you would you know you know go through like the whole you know starting out on linux you know there's definitely general information on installing your distribution make sure you're backing up all your stuff because you will lose it when you reinstall. When you install Linux on your drive because there's going to be a lot of it. Maybe some people want to keep

their VTuber files. They don't have it all backed up to Google Drive, which they probably should. You're going to want to keep that backed up because it's not going to be like Windows to where oh, I could just plug this NTFS drive in. No, it's not. You need to make sure the drive is in at least the XT4

or in a compatible Linux drive. You can technically do NTFS, but this is a lot of extra work to get that working. NTFS is very... Let's just say when I was trying out Linux Mint, I was trying to install FF14 on a NTFS drive, and it kept refusing to work. EXT4 has worked the best for me so far.

Some people use BRTFS and other formats. The easiest way, because usually the recommended one is the EXT4. Yeah, EXT4 has been a standard for a very long time um oh yeah yeah some new just i think distros like fedora i don't know about ubuntu but fedora definitely is using um butterfest by default um some this i know like the red hat stuff they use like xfs i think or maybe it is butterfs but yeah ext4 like the ext line has been basically the standard linux file system since pretty much ext1 yeah for better or worse it's not a great false there's there's issues with ext4 like it doesn't

have snapshotting things like that but yeah um, as like a general, it works. It's solid enough. EXT4 is fine. Also, it's fast. It just works. It just works for the most part. Yeah. Yeah.

Unless something crazy happens. But like a snapshotting is a problem. But you know. Yeah. And a lot of these things, they like to get these programs to work between like Bottles, Luritrus, Steam. You're going to need something like, you know, you're gonna have to download Proton, of course. I probably recommend downloading Proton 9, 8, and 7,

because they're the most common ones, 7 specifically for Halo. Usually the GE Proton 9s, like the more up-to-date ones will work with like VTubing software as well. If you get something like proton plus you can install multiple installs on different um on different like programs or they might even share the install depending on how you have your system configured and in order to actually get these programs running you have to have it on something like some sort of like ge proton or wine ge um in like bts pogs case or i mean it will still work on ge proton but um doing that like it is it just makes things more it makes things easier and

possible because if you don't have it like that you know nothing's going to work and you know protons basically the thing that's like sort of holding everything together as far as like these proprietary programs uh which is a big issue because there isn't a native VTubing... Okay, I'm going to rephrase that. There isn't a native VTubing program that is still being worked on because there's a lot of VTubing programs that were worked on before,

like the virtual puppet with the duck symbol on it. And... Oh, is that what they work on? I don't think it's worked on anymore from when I was from what I know. I think I watched the REN video to remember instead of these were abandoned. Oh, yeah, sad. Yeah, it sucks. Like they do work. They're still available for people to use, I guess, I guess in case somebody wants to make a fork of it, which I encourage, please make a fork of it so people can use it. But I also kind of wish Denchi soft would

hire somebody to make a Linux port of VTube studio. That way it's more native with your webcam and stuff like that, instead of having to, you know, go through some extra steps that these extra steps do work, or else I wouldn't be using this right now. But I'm not able to use stuff like like there are some takeaways with this kind of stuff as well. Like you're not able to use spout to VTube Studio doesn't like game capture. You could do window capture with a chroma key, which does work and it's not really an issue. But the only problem is like if I were to click on this. It's going to show that. Ah, it's going to show the menus so that that's going to be the main issue with that if you're going to go through and use like a 3d program like um

like a vc face that will work with game capture as long as you have your game capture support plug you know your game capture like uh plugins in there like g streamer and um oh you know, your game capture, like plugins in there, like G streamer and, you know, VK capture. As long as you have both of those are installed, you'll then be able to run that through like a launch command. That way you can have it show up, you know, to actually have an actual game capture with transparency for 3d models. I don't know if stuff like V9 would do that, but I think it would have the same effect, because V9 is like a more advanced version of that program, and you can do more redeems and stuff. So, you would then have that possibility as long as it supports transparency.

You brought up another program, Industri2D, I think you were mentioning just very briefly. Yeah, Nachi2D. program uh industry i think you were mentioning just very briefly yeah nachi 2d yeah that there is a fork that one of the developers is uh from the project is working on i don't know if it's still actively being developed if though oh um i'm blanking on the name of the fork I'll try to find it wait hold up how do I view forks on github I don't know

I don't know that's the problem yeah github is not really friendly with me right now shit how does this stupid website work i actually i can create my own i think there's there's definitely a way to view forks whatever to my understanding when i talked to ren about this the documentation is there but it's not correct and updated um which is frustrating yeah um stuff like

inachi 2d would have been like a really good option but a lot of people like as to like the mainstream thing like vtube studio is like really mainstream right right like the online will still work with this yeah sorry um i was gonna say finding a rigger who knows how to work with inachi 2d is also just going to be very yeah it uses like a different file format it doesn't use like these um like the standard file formats where you have to like you know cut the model up put it all together and virtual puppet it you know vtube revenge or liquidism at its finest um but it does like you know people are going to want to use the official programs like 3d programs i mean those are more easier to get to work on it because you can you know run them through bottles and bottles

usually gets those right as long as you choose gaming um i don't really see any use case to choose the application part of it unless you know what you're doing but uh yeah just going through the guide is what's going to make a lot of things easier for people than having to you have to search around youtube reddit or other githubs just to try to find where all this stuff is at because what's going to happen is they're not they're going to get frustrated they're going to give up they're going to reinstall windows um or they're going to just not use it it's just you know as you know like if they're if they're willing to go through the guide and they're willing to install everything um on how you know what they're able to use for it and maybe even if they wanted to commit and uh contribute to the guide as well i could then add

things to the guide as you know to sort of get like a help with that because if we can get like a huge like because right now the guide's pretty big. But if the guide can get any bigger than that, then that's going to be a huge thing because then it's going to be all in one place. People are not going to have too many issues. It's going to be in their distribution. It's going to go through Fedora, Arch, or even Ubuntu repositories with how things go.

And as long as i have these programs available to them and they and we can confirm that that yes they do work in some capacity um like vts pog i didn't think i was able to get that working i spent like two days trying to work work it out i got it working i made a video on it i have a video on my youtube for that and uh the only like i guess drawback to that is it keeps creating a new audio source. And after a while, you have to kind of cut them off, or even restart the whole thing. But it still works. Because you know, I spent the time to like, get it to work, show people that it works, it will work with PNG models, live 2d models, it will very likely work

with 3d models, as long as it can interface via a port. Which, to my understanding now, which I need to add this to the guide as well, the port forwarding issue was actually just through the firewall, because it not only just works on Luitris, it also works on Steam. I can't get it to work on bottles for my life, though. Yeah. Actually, one thing I was curious about is

considering just like how big the guide is becoming have you considered converting it into like a more like a wiki format rather than just being like one giant text document uh that's what I I mean I thought about stuff like that

if that is something to be possible later on that would be great but then making a wiki i'd have to like get one of those like wiki sites and then i have to go through that which you know wouldn't be bad um but for now i think like the best course of action for this this is just to keep it in one guide right right until it gets too big and i have to be like oh now i have to actually put it somewhere else yeah that's definitely right now it's like it's big but it's not too big like it's it's it's got to make sure that people are able to follow these directions very simply because a lot of people have this stigma that oh linux is this hard

os to use it's not if you spend like at least a couple hours using it um and i'm not talking about like weeks like literally hours like i started using it as my main rig in like less than a month prior to me using it on my laptop we're just experimenting with stuff like it's it's it's only hard if you're not willing to try it and and stick with it yeah um one of the things i also suggest is if you want to get anything done if you're VTubing or even content creating as well, because if you're a content creator,

you can still use Mixitup, you can still use VTSPog. You don't have to be a VTuber to use this. Stick with OneOS because if you go distro hopping, you're going to lose everything if you don't know how to back everything up. And it's going to take extra time

because you're like, oh no, I was on Fedora last week now i'm on arch this week now i'm going to be on uh papa west next week you know you stick with the one you like stick and make sure it's stable enough to actually run everything you want it to run or else you know you're not going to get anything done like i'm'm having like every now and then like people are like, oh, you should probably use Arch. It's like, I don't use Arch by the way.

Yeah, I don't ever get the distro hopping thing. Like I understand people who use like Linux as more of just, you know, there's a lot of people that use Linux as very much a hobby, right? Where they don't really try to do anything productive on Linux. Like they're just like,

oh, I want to try this out. Shiny thing, shiny thing, shiny thing, thing, but it's fine. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, it's fine But there are sites that are designed like that like distro see where you can just go well hands like I want to try this Out let me see if I like this. Oh, this looks nice. I'll try this maybe you know But distro see doesn't have every os which is an issue it's like being random servers that are like far away from here so i mean there are some drawbacks to that but it does give you an idea of what these distributions look like because these are probably like some of

the more common ones because i looked up oh how many distributions are there there's like 2000 plus now it's got to be including the ones that are not maintained anymore surely like there's no way it's that active no it's including the ones that are not maintaining okay okay uh yeah that's you know that's i looked it up it's like a general thing i pulled up like like a month ago and then like you know you just you just gotta choose the os that you like like the popular os's and i usually i recommend at least four os's i don't recommend just one because you gotta have options and you gotta be able to um like you're not gonna be like my friend vinny where you go off the rip and start using arch because vinny's probably used arch before and it's you know very easy for vinny to use but

not a lot of people are not going to be able to do that. They're going to get frustrated and they're going to... Sorry, I didn't tell you all that. What I was going to say is but the fact that Venni can use it proves that you can do it on Arch as well. It's just going to take a bit more effort. Oh yes, oh yes. Definitely takes more effort,

but we're lazy here, so we've got to choose an easier OS. Yeah, that's fair. So the OS's I'd probably recommend, actually it might just be five of them, if this other OS seems to come out and be stable enough. I'd probably recommend, of course, Linux Mint, Pop OS, I'd recommend Nobara, I'd recommend Endeavor OS,

and then Steam OS Holo whenever it becomes an actual desktop. Do you have a list of distros on here i don't think there is one like on the guide let me see here i see mentions of using mint but i don't think there's actually like a list here i mean of course it's like it's supposed to give people like a freedom of reference that like you can actually use this on linux because in grand scheme of things it's it's literally all similar stuff it's just you know some people are a little more uh protective of their distributions than others sure um but you know if you know get options to like you know the base things because a lot of these things are based on ubuntu fedora and arch and they'll all

work very much similar unless you're using manjaro and um it does give you that at least that short list like i'm not gonna like i don't think it's like a good idea to list the specific distros because people are going to think oh this only works on these distros fair enough i know it will work on what it's based on if linux if you're using linux mint it's based on Ubuntu. Or if you use Debian, get the LDM E6 variant. Or if you're using Fedora, stuff like Bazite. Or if you're using stuff like Endeavor, you can use stuff like Arch. There might be a few things here or there,

depending on how these maintainers or these distributions have things packaged. I noticed an issue when I was using endeavor os there was an issue with python 3 you had to do this extra step to sort of you know get this going um which i might you know it just really just depends on like what i'm doing with that but if it wasn't for like face tracker coming out i might have included that the face checkers via a flat pack and flat packs work on all these distributions so it's much easier for somebody to go, oh, let me install the flat pack. Then, oh, let me go ahead and go through this whole huge ordeal to jump through this whole hoop.

I started at 1 p.m. Now it's 5 p.m. You know, kind of thing. But then, oh, this took me like 10 minutes to do. Like, I don't want people to like be able to get up and running. Like, yeah, it's got to be really easy for them i'll just have you scroll through some parts of the guide just now and i saw the bit we mentioned um uvc compliant uh compliant capture cards oh yeah oh yeah what i would recommend is

have you ever seen um epos vox's channel yes he has a couple of videos on linux capture cards i know you've added like links to other random videos that might be a really good thing to add in there just because it's like it's difficult to work out what actually is uvc compliant yeah i mean yeah i mean that does that is a good thing to mention because uh the only way that i was able to find out certain things from the uvc compliance if i went to amazon to look it up because they would just tell you like the ebga xr1 is uvc compliant i've got one right now oh yeah i have one as well um the other one that a lot of people probably don't know about which is the easy cap that's a really old brand name that people know

about well they make pci express cards they make two different brands by the way which is basically the same thing they make their easy cat brand which are pci express those are all uvc compliant plug and play cards they work you don't have to buy those expensive cards people advertise you can also get the pile link four or pile link five those are also using uvc compliant they plug and play and they work um the only caveat is you have to go through qpw graph and link the audio to your starship you know audio which is the only thing other than that it'll just work um i do notice the thing with like my epg xr1 where i feel like if i want to use it via audio i have to unplug it plug it up again to refresh it but other than that it's like it's not really an issue with like the pI Express card, it just works.

Wait, that does... Wait, what? That does... Tend to be a 120 recording? What? They're good cards. Let me send you a link. Yeah, no, I'm looking at the website right now.

What the hell? Okay. It's really... They're cheaper than trying to Get those It's like a magic cards. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, yeah, it's like it's way cheaper than that cuz like instead of spending like a hundred something dollars. You spend like 70 Huh, and it works. It's basically what I used to my stream like my gaming PC is being streamed from my my streaming computer

through that capture card. And then my consoles are kind of using the EVGA other one, you know. But, you see here Tidal Link 4 is a good capture card for this kind of stuff. I don't know if we're recording yet, but we mentioned at some point the PS5

Pro. There's one good thing that's going to come out of that and that is more capture cards that support 1080p 120 because that's sort of like the baseline for what capture cards generally work with whatever consoles do so by having a

console that does that there's going to be more companies that make capture cards for that range which is going to bring down the price on the external ones as well and actually make them easier to find so you make it more sustainable i just think a lot of people who were kind of put off by the ps5's price for like ah you should probably go buy a steam deck yeah yeah oh no no it's a stupid device but for the people that do buy it is gonna make capturing it easier yeah oh so the pile link's kind of like the elgato stream link that um elgato cam link sorry oh yeah definitely it's sort of like the elgato cam link it's it's more like the it's just it's just straight up a capture

card it's just what it is it's not like the uh like it's not like the cam like i need to find you the specific well unless there's a different the one that i'm seeing is like one input unless there's another one that you were actually directing people to oh i will be doing that because they find it oh here it is okay so they also you know they resell these cards too as easy cap capture cards it's the same thing. Okay, okay, okay. So, let me send you this. It's the Live Gamer Raw. Live Gamer Raw.

Yeah, I mean, you have that, and then I think there's another one that's better than that. That sounds like an Aza Media card. It's the Live Gamer Raw. You can run it, I think, at, like, 1080p 60fps as well, and then 4K 30fps. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Oh, wait, that's the one I found before. Oh, yeah, okay. No, that's fine. Yeah, that's a good one. Let me see here. Like, it's cheaper that way. Let me see if I can go through my purchase history, if I can find another one because sometimes sometimes they like to uh hide their capture cards

why just make it easy to find them yeah i hadn't heard the name easy cap in a. Like, that's a name you would have heard in the real early days of console capture. Oh, I found it. If you could find these available, they do work. There's actually a whole list of them, but the EasyCAPs right now are probably the easiest ones to get,

but it's the same thing. So it's the same company. Right, right, right. So that piloting is like the subsidiary of easy cap okay okay so i'll send you this link as well because these are good capture cards because they're ubc compliant um and if you be if it's ubc compliance gear and it's more likely guaranteed to work yeah because if it's not you're going to run into an issue that i had with my old uhverMedia capture card that the video came in, but the audio was non-existent.

Which AverMedia one was it? Because they're very hit and miss. It stopped working. It was the Live Gamer HD. It was the shorter PCIe Expressor connections. Yep, yep, yep. I had a Live Gamer Portable, and that worked. Oh, yeah, yep. I had a live game of Portable, and that works.

Oh, yeah, that's the Toblerone one. Yeah, like the smaller one? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep, yep. It's the one Vinny was using for her streams. But let me see if I can go ahead and send you this link here. It's the live game of 5.

I mean, you can probably get high-linked 4s as well for cheap. Oh, it literally is the same device yes okay um am i is there anything that i can dox myself here by showing it no i think we're good uh there's also a site on pile usa where they are sold a little bit um i mean they're sold out right now for gen 2 but like they do sell these um pilot usa does have these cards available whenever they do and uh honestly i wouldn't bank on it because they're probably gonna just use the easy caps on amazon but they do work and i do have one and it does work how it's intended to the The hell is this website? Why is this some random kid with a megaphone? I don't know.

Professional megaphones? Wait, how much is a megaphone? This is a random tangent, wait, how do I even find- LET ME BUY A MEGAPHONE, DAMMIT! $75.99. Oh, here's a good one easy cap live gamer raw but it doesn't have all the colors to it it doesn't have like the rgb uh stuff going it's like

119 which is still cheaper than a lot of other capture cards and uh yeah it's it's got that 4k video resolution you can probably knock it down to 1080p and get 60 out of it so like i mean these are, like, better options in comparison to whatever these Blackmagic cards are.

Because those are expensive, and I don't want to spend money on that. Just use EasyCAP if you're on Linux. I don't know if Elgato works, but it might. Just depend. Yes. Okay, so Elgato is like AvaMedia, where it is very, very hit and miss my camera that you're

seeing is attached to a cam link so if you want to do the camera that's fine um oh yeah the i need i need to see it i think it it's what there's a couple of very specific devices they have that are UVC. Yeah. Elgato helped me choose. No, let me just see a list. Jesus Christ, Elgato. Why is your website so long? Most webcams happen to be UVC compliant as well. Most.

Which is very good coincidence. Most. Not all, though. Be careful with new laptops, especially. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because there's... You know the... Sorry? not all though be careful with new laptops especially yeah yeah uh yeah this is you know that you know that sorry like that like more than likely some of the cheaper uh higher okay they're gonna be like they're still gonna be tdp but they're gonna be cheaper than name brand stuff um like logitech will work logitech cvc compliant get a c920 it works there's no issue with it or

a 720 those work too yeah uh or c7 i think it's like a c710 or whatever and then you also have like some of these who are like these off-brand ones which will still work too that are like 1080p um and they will just work with the computer because they're plug and play like any usually most of the time unless it's avramedia and sometimes elgato or depending on how that works out most of the time if you get like a plug and play capture card device it should very well work but you should verify if it's uvc compliant because that is what works the best on linux um and it's it's it's very's, your life will be much easier that way. Because right now I use two PCs this week.

I have a gaming PC that I play my games on. And I use everything else on my PC below me that, like, does everything else that I'm doing here. It's, like, it's capturing the audio. It's letting me speak through stuff. I'm able to use my VTuber model through this. That way, like, I'm not running into any sort of issues uh when it comes to just like you know streaming in general or even just trying to get programs running because um you know by default i'd be able to get more things running on the stream pc and not have to really worry about any overhead um especially on linux because linux is very very cool about that because

instead of like oh no why is my cpu 90 just sitting at a good 50 after the stream's going and everything's going there it's chill it's it's doing what it's got to do and my gaming pc can be like uh i could just use ultra magnetic settings now and not worry about it. And yeah, it's really good. And even if you only have one PC, you could still do the VTubing stuff. Because when it comes to like installing Linux in general, especially like when you're doing, you know, VTubing, depending on the distribution you choose, it's not going to have that big of an install file on your computer

in comparison to like Windows doing like 40 gigabytes for no reason you're gonna probably have about like maybe four or eight depending on like what you're doing and what distribution you're using yeah something like ubuntu is gonna be one of the biggest but oh yeah even then it's not that much yeah and like linux it's not even that much either it's just it installs it works it's got it does what it needs to do pop osly the same thing like like you just gotta choose something like you gotta you know if you're vtubing i suggest reading the guide you'll have an easier time because all this information is spread out it's not in one spot and you will get confused frustrated and you'll wonder what the

heck am i gonna do now should i reinstall windows well this is supposed to help curb or at least prevent that sort of thought to pop in your head and go oh i can do this it works now if you do happen to do something through the guide i mean it's not guaranteed we're humans we have error you might accidentally skip something if you're not reading it um rogrin did the did me a solid and reformatted the whole guide for me and made it readable because i guess the thoughts were there just the mind wasn't and uh it's it's all good now so it's a it's a better way of comprehending the information than what I was going about. Because I kind of, if you were to read the original guide

in the PDF file, I was sort of, you would think I was schizophrenic when you're reading that. So like, it's very straightforward. It's very good to get like, get that stuff down. That way you're not, like, running into that problem of, oh, I hit a roadblock. Right. Now it's going to be like, oh, I went to this point in the guide.

Something's not working. What do I do? And then I guess your options for that is to either go, you know, try it again by reading it completely. you know, try it again by reading it completely or, um, or, or just try to notify like me or somebody who uses Linux, like me or Ren. Um, and we'll try to, or even Vinny at that point, people who are like actively using Linux will be like, okay, well maybe you're not doing this specific thing. Maybe I missed this. Maybe I should put this in the guide. Um, cause it's not, the guide's not foolproof. It's going to have its problems.

People are going to make their complaints. People are gonna be like, Oh, this isn't going to work this way. I don't know why it works. Why is it work for you? But it's not for me. It's like,

Oh, you're probably missing something. You're probably missing something. I forgot to put the guide. And if I could fix that problem, I will put that in the guide. Just that everything in the guides is based on um stuff that has worked for me and suggestions i've been getting as well so that that's why it like works because like yeah it's not at all relevant anymore but i had a look at some of the Elgato capture cards. The HD60S line works.

So the HD60S, S+, and HD60X work. Those ones... I think... I'll go ahead. I'm pretty sure they work, unless you have something to say otherwise. I think it's because they don't require you to use the software or install a driver

because you can just plug it in and it will just boot up and work which i'm pretty certain all the older ones will work too but the problem with that is they're going to have a significant lag between the audio and video yeah just yeah just get an xl1 light if all you want to do is capture a console just get an xl1 lite if all you want to do is capture a console just get an xl1 lite yeah also another thing the games that don't work on linux just get a console for those games you want to play fortnite get a switch honestly nowadays getting a switch is probably your best option for that kind of stuff like yeah fall guys will work but it's not guaranteed to continue working um if you want to play games that have you know anti-cheats that are not quite up to date with linux yet or kind of having that problem with linux which i don't

play those games anyways or at least very often um just put them on your console if you want to play call of duty buy a playstation 5 if you can afford one yeah or like if you have a extra like the other option is just for those games you could just have a windows install like that's the it's also an option if that's the devil where linux users we're not supposed to use that yeah look you are right but there's a lot of people a lot of linux youtubers that actually have a mac as an editing pc yeah yeah i mean mac is like unix it's like baby linux yeah it kind of is though um actually here's a fun thing about about mac it's actually more unix than uh linux is linux there's never been a linux distro that's been unix certified but

some of the old versions of mac os have been oh that's crazy to be fair the certification costs like a lot of money to do so like apple can afford it but regardless it's always something fun i like to bring up yeah and also i think like a funny thing is which is like a kind of like a side note capcom really likes linux on most of the things capcom likes people playing on steampick because like marvel versus capcom collection it immediately worked i could play people online i'm not having an issue other than the matchmaking you know being slow which is like a universal thing right now because jay wong is uh making people refund yeah yeah i i i hear that game's really good i've never actually played it oh yeah

it's really good i love it i can't wait for the cvs2 collection to come out so it's probably gonna be the very much the same thing so probably all running on the same re engine all through the collections so the collections were like they're holding the games all running on the same re engine all the collections, the collections were like they're holding the games play holding on the re engine like framework for the menus. And then when you go into the game, you're going into the ROM and whatever save states they have. So I think that's the reason as to why a lot of these games just work on Linux. I've also noticed like a few games that are certified as worked on Linux actually just work on Linux, which I haven't been updated on proton db yet which i should probably do that like mighty fight

federation they're like oh this game doesn't work like did you try it like with the newest thing oh this is like eight months ago okay uh i booted up with the latest pro oh i just booted up uh uh uh we need to update this stuff yeah even when a lot of games were fairly low red not even just borked but like bronze and stuff like even with fairly recent reviews a lot of stuff still kind of just worked oh yeah yeah and that's what a lot of people just can't believe because like i guess like 10 years ago maybe it would have been true where people were like oh this doesn't work on linux linux is bad maybe you should use Windows like at that point. Yeah, you'd be right. But now it's like 95% of the games work on Linux and there's at least

22k games that are running on Linux So mm-hmm you have a good ratio and that's just all on steam. That's not counting the stuff. That's on God That's not sounding kind of the stuff. That's on epic games. What happens to run? That's not counting some of the games which are hit and miss on H.I.O but like out of all these games they all run if you could somehow get it running through

Proton or find somebody's guide online you can get it running just like if you were to find my guide and run VTube Studio you'd understand how it works I'm trying to find the original announcement for Proton because Just like if you were to fund my guide and run VTube Studio, you'd understand how it works. I'm trying to find the original announcement for Proton because... Here we go. I found the

original announcement, the original list of games that were marked as supported. Do you know the story behind why DXVK was made? I always like to tell people this. DXVK is something that sounds very very familiar it's the tool that converts the directx calls into vulcan it's like a big part of the reason why uh oh yeah

that's why proton exists yeah do you know that's why we have dxvk settings do you know why that part of proton was actually made because it's really stupid what was it made for so the author wanted to play near automata that's the only reason so he was like there's no other way to play it doesn't work through wine i'm gonna i'm gonna convert direct x calls to vulcan and just do it yeah yeah and then it like then it like it it like snowballed into what we have now that's cool uh okay so the original person for making vtubing possible yes it's awesome he still works on the project now he's still the lead developer on it um but he got he got employed by uh by valve so yeah which is nice even. Even better. I do like the Valve, like, there was another, the other part of it is

the DirectX 9 stuff. That was made by another developer who, he was told that there was no possible way to get it done, so he took that as a challenge and just did it. Oh yeah, then that just works. Yeah.

But, sorry, go on. I didn't on. Oh, I didn't mean. Oh, um, the, uh, the original list of games is,

uh, actually kind of, uh, kind of fun. There's a lot of like, there's games that kind of surprised me being on here. Like Beat Saber was on that list. I didn't even realize Beat Saber was actually out back then.

Um, you've Doki Doki Literature Club, which is very important to be on the compatibility list final fantasy 6 uh google earth vr my favorite game yeah i love it remember play on linux sorry remember there's a program that was like before this i think called play on linux play on linux yes that rings a bell um yeah they would try to run that through a wine compatibility layer um and uh a lot of the games that you were running were pirated games that you've somehow found or sourced uh or if you own that game or if you own the discs as well you could probably do

it through play on linux like play on linux is still being supported to my understanding but right now it's like it sort of fell off when like steam was like really going for that proton and then you know the people were doing compatibility stuff like uh glorious egg will release ge proton 9-13 with the intention to get it running for World of Warcraft with the new expansion on that when you get that running somehow through Luitris. With that, there's also some codes upstream, which I don't know what those

codes are, but regardless, you can still use that Proton to run other games, which is probably what ended up happening when the person was like, oh, I want to make Nier Automata run, and somebody was like, oh my god, Google Earth VR works! I can't wait, I want to make Nier Automata run. And somebody was like, oh my god, Google Earth VR works. I can't wait. I've been waiting all my life for this. Okay, now

go to vacation at home. Play on Linux did a lot of things to make Linux gaming easier, but it kind of fell out of favor when like Lutris started showing up. Like, that made things easier. Like, before Play on Linux, like, setting up having to set up wine manually is a nightmare so any tool that comes along that makes

it easier is very very nice and now people use bottles so lute tris is kind of falling off as well i think like i think when i tried to run linux i tried to play Rivals of Aether on it. And then it was really slow and I was like uh... Wine, what are you doing? It was a long time ago on an old AMD laptop that died a horrible death.

It's an AMD laptop. One of the things I will say like like people have these complaints toward linuxman um but linuxman runs the best if using all amd stuff like linuxman does have support for nvidia which you know air max does show that i mean i'll watch some of his videos to sort of help me get me you know going and stuff so you know at that point it was like okay well i know this stuff works i know it's not impossible let me just go ahead and do it and then you know every i'm not i'm not having any very many issues i said the one i had last night where i lost signal to my monitor which come to

find out i just need to install two more fans because i wasn't getting enough air circulation in that gaming computer. Wait, is that how bad it got? I didn't realize it was... It got so bad that I was touching the HDMI cord and it got hot. And I was like, I wonder what's going on. I'm like, could this be poor air circulation?

Like, I don't think it's a Linux thing because the computer is still running. If it was a Linux thing, the game would have froze, restarted the computer, and I would have been greeted with the login screen, which happened before. But since I have that VRAM fix um because there is a memory leak in linux mint right now um which you could fix it's there's also memory like an ubuntu right

now too which it just makes sense that way um when you do fix that um it's not gonna happen anymore um and which i haven't had like these games crash on me but for some reason last night i was playing the game raining or raining about linux and all of a sudden the mic the the monitor goes out and i'm like what's going on i touch the cables like oh these are super hot right now and i come to the conclusion i'm like maybe it's because i don't have two fans at the top pulling the air out of it so i have like a fan in the back and three fans in the front kind of like pushing the air wait like were you saying you have no well you already had in intake uh no i had like i had like intake fans in the front of the case uh-huh and then i only had like one outtake fan.

And I thought like, since I said previously that 3060 in it was like, it was a lot like smaller, I didn't think it was an issue. Right. But this card is massive. And I was like thinking about it, like, I should probably put these other fans in the top so I can kind of pull the air out of it. So I was like, kind of wondering, I was like, wait, my my string PC doesn't have this issue. It's got those fans pulling the air out same fan configuration. It's not running into that problem. I'm not having issues, my streaming PC doesn't have this issue. It's got those fans pulling the air out. Same fan configuration.

It's not running into that problem. I'm not having issues on my streaming computer. Like, oh, it's just this computer. And now when it's like, I were to touch the HDMI cable, so not even hot anymore because the air circulating, right. So just install your fans. That's usually a good start yeah yeah yeah you're probably laughing that's funny yeah when I built my PC I was like just

put all the fans in there just all of them doesn't matter do I have too many fans probably Do I have too many fans? Probably. I have like four Noctua fans and two generic fans at the top. Yeah. Didn't want to go buy Noctua fans just to fix the issues. Just like, screw it. Have these. Eventually.

Eventually. But those are expensive. Yeah. Look, if it works, it works. If it's not turning off now, that's better. Yeah. I'll find out tonight when I play a game, but I think I'll be fine because now there's more air circulation because I'm not feeling any... The heat is not as fierce around here in comparison to what it was.

I think I just didn't have enough... ...iridisciption. Because at the moment, I was like, wait, did I configure something wrong on linux i was like no the computer's still running it's not the linux issue it's just the me issue that's so dumb how long you had the gpu and you hadn't realized the problem like a week okay okay fair enough i thought it was gonna be longer than that well it might have been longer than that. Well, it might have been longer than that, actually, now that I think about it. Might be like a month. You just hadn't,

it just hadn't gotten hot enough yet to cause an issue? I, I think so. I think that's what happened. Because, like, I didn't have that problem before and then I just started having that issue. I was like, oh, oh, what did I do? Did the HDMI cord go out? Like, no, no, it didn't. It's something else. Yeah, I've certainly had that issue before. Like, one time I do. Did the HDMI cord go out? Like, no, no, it didn't. It's something else.

Yeah, I've certainly had that issue before. Like, one time I was streaming, and I have, like, a HDMI switcher, and randomly it's just like, Hey, no, I'm just not going to work anymore. Goodbye. Yeah. Thank you.

It had to happen with some of my retro consoles on my HDMI switcher where someone would go out and be like why isn't this turning on what's going on and I'm just like losing my mind and I'm like I need to get this working I just gave up and plugged the HDMI cable

straight into the monitor this is a later problem I'm not dealing with it now yeah I kind of like i kind of like just had to deal with that but like there are some issues that people might run into they're like they think it's a linux issue but it's actually not and that's like a good example of it not being a linux issue yeah it's just uh oh fuck oh no i i uh i didn't i didn't install two fans in here because i didn't account for the big GPU in there thinking this has got bigger fans.

That's not how it works. Yeah. So one thing I did want to ask you about, so a lot of the people in my audience aren't involved. There's a lot of people that watch VTubers, but not a lot of people that do it. So I was kind of curious to ask about like the software that you actually would be using in this space i'm sure a lot of people are kind of curious

about like what pieces go into this that actually make the whole thing work so what i can tell you right off the bat outside of like if you want it to just work without all the extra stuff which the extra stuff's in the guide um you need vtube studio you absolutely need that you absolutely need face tracker off of flat hub you need the file denshi soft provided people when when ren was reaching out to them at the time for the ip.txt file and then you need to have steam you need to have that in steam compatibility mode, you need to make sure your computer is up to date, that's like a general thing, you need OBS in order to stream with it. Choose the flat hub flat pack or the other system package, your mileage may vary on it, depending on your distribution. One

thing is usually better than the other, depending on what you're doing um you're going to want audio capturing software for using more than one computer if it's just one computer you might still need that uh in order to like configure where your audio is going because sometimes you want to play music on stream if you're not doing it through like a media source if you're not doing it through like blc or whatever you're going to want to get to where um firefox is being captured via a jack input client um which is you know i usually would suggest at least having uh you know typewire the graphical audio bay the class mixer which helps you change some things if you were to click on the the hd audio generic on it sort of like mess with the audio a little bit easy effects will give you virtual cables you don't really need to mess

with it if you don't know what you're doing with it um but if you need these extra audio cables it will at least give you two for virtual audio which you can then route to other applications and have it play through um like have it being routed through the graphical audio interface, which is QPW graph. And of course, discord, you can use a discord flat pack. If you're wanting audio with screen share,

you're probably going to want to use a web app for that. That way you can at least guarantee that that will work. I don't really recommend using any discord client. That is not the system package to flat pack or the web client Because it's usually against TOS. You don't really want to break that And you're you're gonna need like proton. You can either get proton up QT and get proton plus Actually wasn't to get your that you this is actually something new that I found out about from the guide Yeah, proton plus is a thing which I found out about from the guide. Yeah. Proton Plus is a thing, which I found out about it,

because the person who makes Nobaras, or helped make Nobara, I think, is GloriousAgro. They replaced Proton.qt with Proton Plus. So it's a better graphical interface. You can tell which things are going a lot easier. Just click on it, and it works. It works how it's intended to. It's the same thing. You get that other option if you want to

choose the other thing depending on what works the best um you're definitely going to need to make sure you configure your system how you would um like at least with obs especially like with your audio and everything make sure everything's being routed correctly, make sure people can hear you and see your model. You're going to want to possibly go through the guide, and if you're using Live2D, you're going to want to use a window capture. You're going to want to also make sure you get either a blue, magenta, or green screen, or a sort of green-like screen, or like a green screen like color

that way you can have your model show up without having any transparency issues because that can happen um i guess like the only hurdles with that is like if you're doing collabs or somebody has certain things but you can always change it to a specific color that you can kind of mitigate that but regardless of that it still works uh another thing you're going to need to do is you're gonna have to go to vtube studio and adjust some settings um because what's going to happen is your your vtubers eyes are going to start pointing up for no reason and the mouth movements might not be correct and i was just going into the guide going to the pdf file or the uh windows document and see a visual of what I did to get that fixed.

Because you have to adjust some values to make sure it's at least showing up correctly without having it turned off. Because my eyes will still move. So it still works, which is really good. And also adjusting the mouth movements to make them look more natural is probably another good thing you can do within VTube Studio. You could still use all the VNet network connectivity within VTube Studio on Linux, because the

interface is just like any other game that doesn't have anti-cheat that isn't compatible, especially Vanguard. And you're also going to be able to download any of these asset files. The way the folders are structured,

at least on the Steam, at least with the system files, and maybe even the flat pack if you were to pull up the.var files, which is basically really similar with how it gets structured. You can put your streaming assets in there too like these assets will work and you won't be running into those problems if

you have everything all set up and running you can verify that it works you might run into a few things depending on how your model reacts to some of these settings they're just the point of reference they're not like the exact thing but it's basically a thing to help get people started because some people might have more elaborate live 2d models that they do to decide to switch to linux but i'm gonna say it's not impossible because i'm doing it right now there's a lot of pieces that go into that oh yeah oh yeah there's definitely i I've, I've, I have, I, I'm smarter than I look. Jesus Christ. Yeah.

People have joked like, hey Brody, you should become a VTuber. You should become a VTuber. Like that's all, that's a lot of extra work to do that I don't particularly want to do right now. It can be, but it's, uh, you know, it's really easy. You know what you're doing. Yeah, I'm sure it is once you get everything set up. Oh, yeah. If you need help, we can help you with that.

It just depends on how your audience is going to take it. Some people may not like that transition from moving from IRL to VTubing. I experienced that for a while until people kind of got over it. I experienced that for a while until people kind of got over it. I'll compromise to do PNGTuber on stream sometimes. That's actually not a bad idea. Doing PNGTuber, you just need to get

VideoTube Mini. Make sure you run it through a window capture. I guess the days you don't want to use webcam, you can use that. Or you can use a Fugitech to get around the whole program.

This Fugitech is also a good option for that because it reads off Discord as long as you're on a call. Yeah, I know things. There's a lot that goes into it. It's just something that people will have to spend the time to to at least learn getting done but you're not going to be spending as much time as you would if you weren't using the guide right right right well yeah if the go if the guide is not making things easier then the guide's not doing his job yeah which honestly um that does bring up something if people are

going to need a visual guide in the future venny did say that he's going to make a visual guide on it um which will end up going through the steps of everything getting everything working that way that way once you know venny has that out i can link that to the text guide and we sort of would have a visual probably like after prerequisites after the starting part of it you know when you're and after installing your distro i think i'd probably put it like right before um right before vtube studio and the whole guide that way like people could be like oh okay well this this is where this video is linked and this is where i can kind of like start watching it that way people can you know get that get that um get that idea get that visual idea because some there are some people who do not who do not do good at all reading stuff yeah yeah and having a visual guide will definitely help them a lot better.

Which I'm going to assume when Vinny does it, Vinny's going to go through Arch. If anybody else wanted to make a similar guide, they can as well. And I can link those as well to get it up and running. That way we have all these different versions of stuff. That way you have that compatibility. That way you're not running into any more walls and you can sort of slow down the video okay this person you know they did this there we did this there okay now i got it working that's good all right the next thing like that way they're not

continuing to get frustrated with it because i think that's where the main problem comes from is all the information originally was spread out people weren't finding it like oh yeah this is cool you know but i don't know if I can actually use this. I don't know if it's practical. Well, it is practical enough. You just have to apply yourself to get it done. And you gotta, like, sort of, like, make yourself

understand stuff that, you know, maybe the general Windows consumer probably wouldn't have understood at first. But it's not impossible. Like, anybody can do this it just takes the amount of time and effort that you know to get everything else going before you can start get going through the guide right um because the first step is not oh it's the first step's not oh i want to vtub on linux the first step is i want to use linux well yeah if you can't find

yourself feeling familiar using Linux full stop, like, going that extra step, getting the rest of it set up, just isn't worth the effort then. Like, find... Just try out something. Whether it be Mint or Ubuntu or Fedora, Nubara, things like that. Just use that on something, preferably like a machine that you don't really care about,

or if you have to like a virtual machine you're like if you can chuck on a laptop like that that's great but like yeah don't change your main machine straight away like unless you know what you're getting into and you're willing to have things be broken like it straight up this took me at least a couple months before i even was like okay i'm gonna go ahead and put it on my gaming pc And it probably took me a little longer to put it on my streaming PC because I didn't know how I was going to handle that. And eventually when I did figure that out, I was like, okay, I got it all working. Maybe I

should make a guide on this. And I just, you know, created the guide. I started to reach out to people like through Sabara, Ren, eventually started getting more people interested because Venny originally was going to wait until 2025. And then, you know, I eventually, you know, talking with Venny, Venny was like, okay, fuck it Veni originally was going to wait till 2025. And then, you know, I've been talking with Veni.

Veni was like, OK, fuck it. I'm going to use Linux. Why 2025? Huh? Why 2025? Because October 2025 is when Windows 10 goes out of life. I was like, I'm not waiting. I was getting anxious.

Like, OK, I got my tax return. I'm going to get this GP. I'm going to put this in here. And I'm like, okay, I'm not waiting until 2025. I'm doing this now. Because prior to that, I was using it on my laptop. Everything was going great there. And, you know, I was like, okay, well, I'm having a good experience.

I'm still having a good experience with it. It hasn't, like, i haven't had the issue except that one time with dual booting windows on a computer um which they screwed that up uh uh i'll just tell you about it i put windows and linux min on my computer right and i was using windows to stream a couple times just to see how bad windows 11 was, which is really terrible. I go back on Linux Mint to see what it is. And I started noticing the screen was having this problem to where it was like sectioning off parts of it. And it was having this weird graphical error.

And I was like, this is really this is really weird. And then eventually I was just like, OK, I'm just going to reinstall Linux. Men on this. I'm going to try to get this to work. And to make Windows 11 usable, you have to do all this other stuff. And it's way more of a headache than just installing Linux. So I don't even recommend 11. You lose like 20% of your computer's like computing power for that kind of stuff.

It's really bad. Yeah, last time I used Windows was 10. I don't know anyone in my personal life that's actually swapped to 11. Like, this is a problem that Microsoft has where they've had this issue growing more and more and more where people

are just not going into the next version. The thing is... The thing is with that is they are pushing updates to make it like, oh, we're going to update your computer. We're actually taking away updates because what they did is they started to have

vulnerabilities in their systems. They started to have these problems for the systems we're going to restart CrowdStrike vulnerabilities they were having issues with like a lot of stuff it's like okay that they're trying to force the consumer to go oh no I can't use Windows 10 no I can't do this i have to install windows 11 because microsoft wants me to i was like i'm not doing that windows linux mint is what i'm gonna use yeah so you're on being on mint you're on cinnamon have you given a shot to anything waylandy because i know venny was trying out wayland

recently i think i think venny swapped wayland now yeah if any's workflow completely switched to wayland at a certain point i'm still using xorg um the only thing i tried to get working on wayland was way droid and that was a huge ordeal um i don't think i don't think wayland on cinnamon's ready yet no no definitely not cinnamon no no but xorg on cinnamon it just works just fine i'm not really having problems with that at all it's like it is it does what it needs to do um it's it's plenty fast for what it is it's not like a huge it's not like the it's not like i need like all this extra stuff with with my de as long as it works with my computer it works very similar to how a steam

duck would work you know with how i have my hardware configured and and how all that's going to go with that and i'm able to like play my games not run into any issues or even stream from it too and record even even edit videos to like Kdenlive and stuff. You know, it just works how it's intended to work. It's not going to be running into the problems where, oh, I try to run something and all of a sudden Kdenlive doesn't want to work. And people, and there are going to be people who run into this problem and are like, oh, I want to install like DaVinci Resolve on it. I want to do all this other stuff. Like, it really just depends on the use case. i don't think my workflow has like changed since

moving from windows to linux all that much because i was already using foss programs i was already using stuff like brita i've been using gimp for a while i've been using vlc media player for a while i've been using like a lot of these besides vlc and mpv does anyone actually use a different video player? Like, I actually don't know. I mean, they might. It just depends. The VLC is universally the better one because it works with a lot of these codecs and with all these encoders, so people won't really run into this problem. There is a built-in one in some distros that kind of, like, do their own thing.

A lot of those are MPV skins so they're not actually their own like the one Gnome has I believe is an MPV skin interesting but yeah you're also obviously using OBS because

when was the last time anyone used anything besides OBS? Like, there's... The only people using something different are... I know PewDiePie used... What was it, like, Fraps? XSplit? He used Fraps up until, like, last year or something. Oh, damn.

Yeah, I know. perhaps up until like last year or something oh damn yeah i know i knew i know some compute like some people who are like used x split for a long time before they switched to obs um yeah i'm just kind of glad that obs sort of like became like the universal hey let's use this it works on pretty much everything right now and um oh yeah another thing i would really recommend that way people don't run the problem get uh the obs vk capture working on your computer now it's now the way they have installed it based on how glory sega rule has configured it it's not going to say vk capture on it when in obs it's going to say like that it's going to say your gpu than vappy instead of just straight up vappyI because there's like more

than one. VAPI is the encoder that AMD GPUs tend to use on Linux. And you're going to know you're going to have GStreamer on if you were to scroll all the way down, you'll see GST, that's GStreamer right there. If you change it to a constant bitrate, put it like 6000 and you maybe mess with some other settings, you'll be good. But I wouldn't really recommend messing with the other stuff that we probably don't need to mess with on that. And then if you have the OBS VK capture, it could then, you know, if you use that command, you could then capture certain programs. And like, for example, if you're going to capture 3D applications, like these 3D applications for VTubing

through bottles that are not connected to Steam specifically, then they'll work. That way you're able to get that transparency for that going, or even if it's even just as a game as well. If you're able to do it like that and go through that process of installing OpenVK captures, I think I have it listed in here as well if you're able to to do it like that and go through that process of installing open vk captures i think i have it listed in here as well as one of the prerequisites uh because it does make a lot of sense that not everybody has two pcs they're going to still want a game capture

and maybe not want to display capture because some because some people only want to show the game that pops up and your mileage may vary through Steam, of course, because it may or may not open. But certain applications can open it up through that. It will appear on there without any issue or hassle at all. You can multi-stream if you use the GStreamer plugin as well. I remember I tried to use VAPI and then tried to use h264 and it crashed my obs when i started using stuff like uh g streamer and then uh you know the x264

for like the other stream it was fine um you can even just use the g streamer for both of them and it will be fine to come to find out which i think i have that set up for my i think i have that set up for my uh or i had or i had it set up for my like my youtube as well so i mean it does work and it does it does work pretty well once you have it all configured and set up just it might take you a little bit to sort of configure that. That way you're not like running into the problem of, oh, why isn't this working? You know, because you took the time to

configure it. Instead of just running instead of just trying to throw something at a wall until you see it sticks. I don't know what my issue with OBS VK Capture has been, but it's been very hit and miss for me, where some games work fine, other games they'll launch, but then it's not capturing anything

in OBS, and I don't entirely know why. It's probably because of the protocols it's using in the game, and something's not meshing well with it, and it will crash. Doom should work fine with it. I still, regardless of what distribution you're on or what os you're on i still recommend using display capture right you just got to make sure you practice uh not showing information you're

not supposed to be showing you gotta make sure you do that yeah don't accidentally box yourself but it will all work you can all run run it at 60 FPS, smooth gameplay, unless Twitch is throwing a fit, of course, which it happens before. I've seen people who have clear streams, all of a sudden bitrate errors are starting to happen. It's not happening on their end,

it's actually on Twitch's end. It's just little nuances like that. Regardless, it still just works and a lot of the things especially when it's flat pack or app image or system package usually out of the box if you have a package manager for people who don't have package managers make sure you either

download one that is actually good or you go to your AUR, your Fedora equivalent to the AUR or even whatever Ubuntu has right now. Yeah. What is that noise?

Is your mic falling over or something? No, I'm just moving my mic. Oh. It's kind of creaky a little bit. People question me that on stream sometimes, like, what is that noise? I'm like, it's a ghost. Yeah, mine doesn't make noise it just sometimes uh might fall over if i bump it too much it seems like it's fine right now but i need to mine is kind of kind of cheap but it's also good i got this off amazon for 20 so mine's about the same. I had to replace the bass part of mine

because it started to get all wobbly and wouldn't stay in there. So I got a different bass for it. Now it just works. But I have this little creaking issue. I need to get WD-40 or something for it. Yeah, that'll do it. I've been meaning to replace this one.

Ren bought a new mic stand ages back. I was just going to buy the same one that he had. The one I had before this I tried to move it but I'd left it in there so long that I guess something expanded and I couldn't separate it anymore

and I bashed it with a hammer and it would not come apart that's crazy I was like nope we're going back to the tried and true $20 Amazon basic stand oh yeah definitely the Amazon basic stand so they work

if you tighten them up enough they might creak a bit but you know besides that they might do a little creaking but you know as long as they hold up you're good if not buy another one for $20 I think they've gone up a bit sadly they're not 20 anymore which means you gotta you know you gotta go to spend a little bit more money

yeah i know the inflation that's another good reason to switch to linux why would you pay 114 for windows when you can get the majority of your stuff working on linux for free whoa i love you trying to save a it's like i'm. Whoa. Trying to save a... It's like I'm in the alley trying to save a buck. Want to get some Linux? Honestly, who pays for Windows anyway? Like, that's the truth. I know I didn't after a while.

It's like, I'm not paying for this shit. I started using a terminal to, like, do what I gotta do with it. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Some good stuff. Well, they... When Windows 8 came out they had like the media creation tool and all that sort of stuff oh no not that so you didn't media creation tool yeah you didn't need to pay for it anyway so i don't know it's it's it's it's yeah so the general consensus right now from what I'm seeing from people,

you know how they try to push, oh, you need to buy a key, you need to buy a key, even though you can just use it perfectly fine, and it'll just show a little watermark? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can disable the watermark. Yeah, isn't it just... My understanding is it's just a registry edit for it. Like, it's just a one-line... It's just a registry edit.

You can disable the watermark, or you can go through the process of finding a specific tool online, which I will not say what it is, and just unlocking it. And that's what i did so i was not going to pay for it it's too expensive um you can get a key off kingwin but all most of those uh keys are not in the they can disappear at any moment right um so you know when you're getting yourself into that situation uh especially with like windows you know it's not really worth it paying for a key yeah yeah like just use linux yeah yeah just use just try it out because see what's like oh yeah just use linux definitely uh i do think like at some point they're going to uh like with windows 12 is what people are speculating and i'm sure you've heard this

multiple times it's going to go to a subscription-based service you're gonna have like a it's gonna like maybe not use your whole computer uh as far as like the components go we don't know all the specific specifics for that but if they want you to pay for um windows they're going to make you pay for it or you can't use your computer it's basically running off a cloud which is what they're beta testing with windows 11 when they're taking your whole computer taking snapshots of it putting it to their cloud which is maybe not maybe not encrypted and uh just kind of just doing that as well i would not be surprised like maybe they have what they would do is like have a free tier where they have a bunch of ads in it and then have yeah the like even more explicitly

than they do already because they already have a bunch of ads floating around the the system but and then have like an adobe style you sub to it maybe not full adobe where they get themselves sued by having the uh cancellation fee but oh yeah that was a you just don't renew at that point you don't cancel you just make sure hey can you block this you just don't do that so what would it do so you know there are how there are those those companies that will sell like oh companies that will give you access to temporary credit cards? You can say, I want this specific limit on it. What would Adobe do if you used one of those to sign up and then cancelled and just didn't pay? Well, let's just assume that the card company...

Actually, I feel adobe might actually have fail safes against that because they might be like oh you can't use a prepaid card because if you get one of those cards and you cancel it that's technically a prepaid card um so they might just like take whatever money's on it or they might just cancel it and it's not even acknowledge you bought it the key is invalid or something maybe um another problem outside of adobe is uh before they got their shit backlashed uh logitech was like what if you release a subscription-based mouse and everybody was like no we don't want that and i was like suggesting hey why don't you just go get like a warrior mouse or a still series mouse you'll be fine

i'm a big fan of logitech i've got my logitech keyboard here i've got yeah i've got a logitech mouse here i've got a uh g600 here my mmo mouse um i i i've been a logitech fan for a while they've been doing some weird things like the um yeah there was the logitech ai mouse as well a a little while back, where they had... The only AI thing about it is it had a button on it that said AI, and it would... If you click the button, it opened like a chat GPT GUI. That's crazy. You could just configure that on any Logitech mouse in their software.

Like, it wasn't specific to this mouse, but for whatever reason, they just market it as ai mouse it was during that period where every single company was releasing something ai related oh yeah people were like hopping off hopping on ai which i honestly i don't really like ai has its uses yeah like in like video games have been like it's been like a while but those are like programmed by humans uh let's just hope that doesn't start getting let's just hope that doesn't change um some ais are good for like neurotechnology for like prosthetics and stuff i think that's fine but like when you're starting to use ai to steal people's art music uh likeness um like

there's some cursed videos online of course but this really just depends on what somebody's motive is. The main one that took a big hit was definitely art and music. Yeah. Maya? I do have Logitech keyboards. I have a League of Legends Logitech keyboard. I'm not playing League of Legends. Dota 2 actually

has a better cash shop, so you can get that. And I have a G502, and this is the reason why people this is why vtubers buy the g502 let me do this real quick okay that's why they buy it that's what the g502 did so well so yeah the infinite scrolling yeah yeah what do they call it i don't't know, like the... Free scroll, free scroll, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, the free scroll.

Very important feature. Oh, yeah, it's definitely a feature because people like using it for their VTuber models to spend fast. I had one of the original G502s. I haven't had one in a long time, though. I have the one that's wired. Ah, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.

The G502 is a really nice mouse though. I should get another one. Oh yeah. For my Linux computer, I have a Warhammer keyboard, which is like a hot-pluggable, like the keycaps are hot-pluggable, I mean like the sockets are. Yeah, the switches are, yeah. They're all mechanical. Yeah, yeah.

And then I have like a SteelSeries mouse that I use, because this is going to probably last like 60 years that's one of the things that is kind of annoying under linux configuring mice finding software we actually can do it is yeah logic like with that with logic soft you can use piper and there's a couple of other companies that you can configure reasonably well, but... Yeah. Yeah, like, luckily, modern mice have, like, memory on them, so as long as you get them configured, you're gonna be fine. But if you need to change anything after the fact, like, find a Windows PC to plug into it and do it like that, I guess. Like, there's a thing for keyboards or computers.

It's something like OpenRGB or something. Yeah, yeah. You're able to configure the keyboard's lights and stuff, as well as your computer's lights, if that's configurable. But if you're on Linux, if you're needing something with high DPI, just find something that has a button on it, and just go to the highest DPI and just use that. That's what I do.

I don't want to mess with any software it's gonna it's gonna mess me up this is already high enough dpi for me what do you run at huh what do you run at 60 hertz 60 hertz the dpi dpi yeah you said it's high so i'm kind of curious how high it's it's high, so I'm kind of curious how high. It's the max setting on the SteelSeries Rival 3. Oh, no. SteelSeries Rival 3. Yeah, it's not a bad mouse. It's really good. My Warhammer mouse was kind of, like,

having issues with its middle click, but, yeah. I don't know if the max setting that's pre-configured is going to be the max that it is but it says 8500 that's plenty yeah it's plenty yeah you are right there G502 has a higher one

I think it's like 12k or something I use 1200 I like to have high dp on mouses because it just feels better. I don't want to have a sluggish mouse. Imagine if I'm VTubing and it's just taking forever to do something. I like being able to aim at things. That's my...

There is a glitch with the G502 that it will somehow reset itself back to its original setting. If you press the button a few more times you can start using it again uh yeah um the g600 does the same thing oh yeah i mean it's an easy fix and it's not like a not like a huge issue yes yeah i think that's just a general i don't know what happens on windows but it definitely seems like a general Logitech issue on Linux. I should put an Amazon link to the G502,

or its variant. Like, hey, if you want to spin really fast, put this in. You get this mouse. It's vital. I don't know why more companies don't do that. Maybe Logitech has some sort of patent on a free-scrolling wheel or something,

because it seems like such a basic thing to add. It's really good. I mean, I patent on a free-scrolling wheel or something, because it seems like such a basic thing to add. It's really good. Like, I mean, I guess the only free-scrolling wheel you're going to have with that is if you get yourself, like, a trackball. Mm, mm, mm, mm. The Logitech trackballs. My keyboard does have a free-scrolling volume wheel, so I could bind it to that as well.

Oh, damn. Yeah, that could that as well. Oh, damn. Yeah, that could be a thing. Yeah. Yeah. I don't have a use for it. You know what? I actually had never thought of that as, like, a reason to have the free-scrolling wheel.

Like that. Yeah. Use it for beat-chipping. Or if you're reading a really long Wikipedia article. Yeah, yeah um i like to use the uh the middle mouse click for doing for doing that at least but yeah but you know hey if it works it works i guess oh yeah yeah definitely like like like linux is easy if you are um willing to use it if you're not willing use it, you're still stuck in the process of,

oh, I want to use Windows stuff on here. It's like, let's hope you find alternatives or it won't last very long. Yeah. I was going to say, since we're like 15 minutes from the end, do you want to talk about the

Twitch's seemingly dislike of VTubers? Oh my god, I quote tweeted this. I was like, this is not good. So Twitch is having this problem to where they're going around to VTuber streams, right? They may not be showing anything at all. And they will like, oh, they're going to hit you as a sexual content warning, right? Like there has to be somebody at Twitch, which a lot of people are suspecting this. Somebody at Twitch or a group of people at Twitch are like bonking people,

getting them banned for no reason. They have to put in appeals. They're losing income streams for that. Like Zentrea, one of the bigger Vshojo YouTubers got hit with a content warning for having a fucking bikini like are you like really like and then you look at uh then you look at the pose and hot tubs category like oh yeah really that's the reason really yeah yeah like like why are you playing your favorites here like you got people who are using models

that they're using to express themselves on your streaming platform and you are stifling their creativity by putting in these arbitrary rules that that are not being followed by people who are not using vtuber models and um whenever you did try to let up on those rules you had a bunch of people whine about it which is stupid we should have just turned the other cheek and go. Oh, yeah, whatever But like It's just ridiculous because like if you're having a beat like imagine somebody's making a VTuber design for to it's right and it has To be asked to follow within certain guidelines, but it would look better if it didn't Which is then stifling that creators and artists? Creativity when it comes to that no manners when they were

streaming during their whole final fantasy stream um during the whole subathon well twitch was kind enough to let them do their subathon so they get money out of it then they banned them uh and it didn't even really show that much like like i thought these people on twitch were adults like if you're an adult you're not gonna have a problem with this um and you know yeah some of this stuff should be better moderated because some of it is borderline only fans content and uh like you know the other sites as well but at the end of the day like if you're gonna go ahead and you know start bonking us for for doing anything like like thursday i'm playing cinder and kagura uh shinobi versus and i've played the entire burst renewal on twitch i didn't really have an issue

but if i do get bonked i'm gonna know it's somebody at twitch doing it um and then at that point it's gonna it's gonna boil down to look at all these youtubers who are getting bonked for this stuff getting these warnings well twitch you have a category for cinder and kagura you have a category for hot tubs and beaches if a vtuber is wearing a bikini and they you know you know they may not be wearing an irl you don't know that but if you're doing it on the you know on vr chat or doing it through the 3d software they're wearing a bikini and you're bonking them for sexual content why aren't you doing that to other people who are not vtubers the one that i saw was really stupid recently there was an there was an artist who was working on a model um oh yeah oh yeah they yeah yeah they and they turned off the layer that had the dress

on so it was just like the bikini and they got like i don't think it was suspended for that but it was just a warning it's like you have an art category and it wasn't you know it wasn't like you know when they did the whole like genitals are okay and everyone like went like wild with it wasn't like that i was like oh no what are these people doing with this power you're not supposed to do that like it wasn't you know like there were people that got bogged during that like Annie who was I think she had like Wasn't she drawing like a food a picture or something? I know I saw some wacky shit on there and I was like It was just like a model with a bikini that had a layer turned off the layer had a dress on so like yeah just why do you even allow people to do art on your platform if that's gonna get

someone any like any warning whatsoever yeah and she might be saying like yeah like it pretty much just falls with like yeah twitch is stifling people's creativity like it's not gonna happen on trovo it's not gonna happen on rumble it may not happen that often on youtube but it you know it can still happen but on twitch it seems like it happens the worst where they say one thing and do another as far as i as far as i was aware if you're drawing something and you're a vtuber model artist your vtuber model you're showing on stream is basically a representation of yourself that is currently being active and alive while you're working on basically something that's not alive yet um that's pretty much considered a piece of art.

And it shouldn't be based on an admin's feelings. It should be based on the facts. And if that is being not translated well from the Twitch TOS, the Twitch TOS is pretty much saying, oh, yeah, you can do art streams and stuff. You know, if it's just for art and you're not focusing on a specific thing, well, that person's focusing on drawing the art. they're not focusing on showing the bikini off like twitch literally has i'm gonna say it like twitch has their head up their ass yeah they need to get it out

yeah i know some people like to talk about this as the as like a reason for it um have you seen the clip of i think it was dan clancy it was dan clancy on a podcast and they're going through like the twitch recommended and it was just like bikini bikini bikini bikini i don't think i saw that but i remember one time like a couple years ago where somebody was like oh i thought i was using only fans and they had like everything out on twitch they got banned for a day unbanned but you had a vtuber if they do something like a little bit they got banned for a day unbanned but yet a vtuber if they do something like a little bit they get banned for like a month yeah there's there's been people that have gotten banned for like a day or a week who like just had sex on stream it's crazy because these these like it's

nothing against like it's nothing against like the actual streamers who are doing it like they know what they're doing but at that point it pretty much just boils down to twitch's discretion which is why i made a tweet earlier okay here are your here are your alternatives to these bigger streaming companies like they may not be the best alternatives but they are alternatives like for twitch trovo like trovo is like a popular streaming site it's you know it's a little bit like twitch in the way um then you also have like rumble which is basically another youtube at that point i don't really know what is on rumble but you know you know if you get on there you might see stuff on there and you know it's not i don't think it's like horrible but it's you know this really just depends what people's preferences are and then i guess for

like um for like i mean like twitter uh you got you got blue sky and mastodon um if people can understand mastodon instance i mean twitter would already be you know cooked if you can understand twitter you can understand blue sky it's literally the same oh yeah blue blue sky is a mastodon instance. It's just a more sectioned-off Mastodon instance. Yeah. Blue Sky.social is a big giveaway. Like, at the end of the day, the only thing, the thing that really matters is consistency, right?

Like, if they want to say no sexual content whatsoever outside of the context of a video game, right? Like, if they want to, like, I think everyone would be okay if they were like okay no lewd models no like bikinis nothing like that only have lewd content in the context of a game so if you're playing like the witcher and gerald's like dick is on the screen that's fine if you're playing boulders yeah yeah yeah or cinderella and kagura which honestly there's a thing about that um the reason why cinderella and kagura is allowed on twitch like the reason why those games are allowed um as long as you're not doing like any of the intimacy stuff which i skipped that anyways

i'm just trying to play a dynasty warriors game with extra stuff going on and uh and uh basically the the developer reached because i got banned originally in 2015 the developer reached out and was like what are you doing i want these people to stream this game and twitch is like oh i'm sorry my bad and now and now all the categories are on twitch i can't wait to see how misconstrued that is whenever i get my sexual content warning on thursday or friday one of the two. Yeah, God of War is another one. Like, the classic God of War is another one that just has, like, a bunch of sex scenes in it.

I actually hadn't played the God of War games before. That was like, oh, okay, sure. There's a sex mini game in the first three God of War games to get, like, a bunch of upgrade material. Yep, it happens at the beginning of the game. I think the other one's in the palace, and I think you could do it at least more than once in three. Yeah, yeah, yeah. get like a bunch of upgrade material yep it happens at the beginning of the game i think are the ones in the palace and i think you could do it at least more than once yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it's and then it's pretty interesting oh yeah ballers gate three 100 this like twitch was

originally like because twitch is getting paid by these developers in order to like you know initially when these games are coming out that way they can be like you know oh you know my my game is you know sexual content and i want these people to stream it so if you're okay with that and then like then you see somebody getting railed on uh the last of us and people start going oh okay well if that's okay then what's going on with these vtuber models yeah i don't and then there was the a couple of days ago there was uh when shondo got banned and like that was just a mess where she just had a couple of drinks on stream and like you need to seek mental help so we're going to ban you like what i just feel like like the twitch admins on on the site that became like like there's some admins that are good that will

like unban pretty much anybody there's some that will keep people banned and say no you can't be unbanned or whatever um what they're not realizing is hey these are these people's income streams you are making money off of them too um they're taking a cut for reasons they want to stream on your site if you're continuing to bonk them they're probably not going to stay on your site very long they might switch to your competitor youtube because true is not really a competitor it's more like an alternative if you do want to continue like multi-streaming for example but like uh youtube is the main competitor there and if you're gonna if you're pushing people away from your site you're going and you're having people go to youtube so they can actually stream their content to their audiences

so they can actually have a good time streaming their content to their audiences no matter if they're running you know windows or linux you know it's then going to run into that problem to where oh it's you know twitch just needs to say it no vtubers on twitch and they're like okay all right we'll just stream on other sites then we'll go to other sites you're gonna lose all the money you had with all these deals with v shoujo and hololive as well hopefully if it was worth it you know if they if they ever decided to go that route but it seems like they're silently kind of doing that they're they're knocking people for no reason um they're knocking bigger indie indie vtubers for no reason as well um it's very much a problem that i've noticed every time i've seen a vtuber

getting knocked for this that i've like you know maybe talked to or had an interaction with and i think that it probably shouldn't have been banned i always at dan clancy i was at twitch and twitch support and they usually get unbanned after that because dan clancy probably looked at it he's like why is this person banned what's going on like i don't think i don't think no it's funny to laugh about him like having just nothing but bikini dink i don't think no it's funny to laugh about him like having just nothing but bikini models in his in his recommendations but it's not like it's not going that high up there's there's got to be like a couple of admins that just don't like vtubers there people just have a personal vendetta against vtubers like i don't think dan clancy

has that issue and i hope he doesn't um because he he committed he like well he did a vtuber stream before with kodemiko that that being said kodemiko also does irl stuff too so did he do something with phillian a while back as well oh yeah he did do something with phillian a while back and that's just straight up a vtuber um so like i don't think he i don't think he's the one that has that issue i think there are people in the company that have that problem. And it's starting to become more apparent the more we're seeing more sexual content warnings to go out. Now, if Twitch was more transparent with how they did their TOS, if they were like, okay, this is what it is.

There are no variations of this. Directly what I'm saying, don't try to find a loophole or you'll get banned. They need to be very direct with this kind of stuff and more transparent. They also need to not make it to where people are like going, oh, why did I get banned? They have their lawyers contact them and they just don't tell them anything. What's going to stop somebody

from going to Twitch headquarters, filing a subpoena, and then requesting that information? Are they going to refuse it? If not, they can go to court. The dumb thing is, half of these bans, they and then like when it's the it's hard when it's the small vtubers but when it's one of the big ones and they just start adding them on twitter it's like oh we unban you like well so they did nothing wrong like what what do you mean like what's going on like are you going to clarify oh i'm sorry this was a bug in our bot we're gonna

go ahead and fix this they don't even clarify that i have that's basic i have a feeling that twitch does it not to the extent of wow for example but twitch does take in um mass reports as like a sign to just ban someone without thinking about it yeah yeah and that does happen because there are people going around twitch rating people and banning them there's somebody who also got hit by that saying that hey i got hit by uh i got rated in my discord they were saying bad words that are you know not the typical ones that are acceptable and they were also um they were they were also you know spamming my chat and Twitch's response was we gave you the sexual content warning because of the person

you were using the Fugitech they had a really inappropriate profile picture it's probably not what happened somebody's covering up for somebody because it doesn't add up yeah but I've been streaming on Twitch for like eight years four years as a vtuber four

years before that like i've been i've i've been on twitch since justin tv like i like i've noticed how this has uh evolved um i've been streaming since 2016 like it's very it's very like it has changed to the point to where it got like oh this is sites getting really good oh no this is getting really bad which usually happens a lot of uh popular sites oh this site is starting to get good again now it's getting bad now it's getting good now it's getting bad now it's really bad right now it's getting a little bit good and now it's like sort of okay and now we're having issues again like what this they have to have to be more consistent they need to make sure that they're not banning vtubers for no reason you have to be legitimate reasons if you start getting 3 000 mass reports from some random people that are not

even following them um then um or had just followed them within the past day or two then maybe you should probably look into that rather than banning them you should should be like, okay, we're going to go ahead and do it. This is a horrible example. Before Twitch had a thing where they had unbannable people whenever that got leaked. And one of them was like, I think it was like RiceGum or whatever, where he kept getting false reported. Or when, oh, she this time.

But whenever she got false reported, and they wouldn't ban them after that and there are some people who just get banned so they can get boosted too like they know that like people have been banned like 18 times but when you ban this other person four times they're gone forever it's just it's really it's it's a big mess they need to fix it i don't think you're going to i i i i don't think anything's gonna change the only thing that's gonna fix it is if a bunch of people get fed up a bunch of these companies start pulling out be like hey we showed you all live you know it was fun being with twitch but we're gonna go ahead and go to

youtube and southern site uh billy billy and're just going to run off those sites for now. And, you know, if you ever change your mind, that's great. I feel like that's probably what's going to head at some point. And then Twitch is going to be even more hot water because Twitch is bleeding money right now. And it's bad. Yeah, like they can barely afford, you know, they couldn't even afford to keep Korean streamers on there.

And I had to scoop them up i i i that the korean streamer things being uh the korean string words are hard because the korean streamers being removed is obviously bad but there was a lot of ridiculous content that came out of that when they were like we're gonna we can't make money here anyway like let's just push the rules as much as possible oh yeah they definitely did they definitely did um and twitch did i was to my surprise i don't think they banned any of them they were leaving anyways um but like it was like yeah at least at least one of the good things kick did was say hey We're gonna go ahead and take you from them. Mm-hmm, you know that makes you still get paid. Yeah Yeah, because that's honestly it sucks. It sucks. Hopefully which you can get back into the green They can start making their content policies better

for V tubers, but right now it just seems like it's very um for vtubers but right now it just seems like it's very hit and miss with a lot of things that they're doing um like they're introducing stuff like another controversial thing with like uh the knocks um they have it off by default now but it used to be opt off now it's opt in yeah and wasn't it like turning people's cameras on by default yep yep it was going through your camera settings and turning it on i'm pretty certain that was like a windows thing i'm not sure if people had it configured you know to my understanding before omegas shut down that's probably what the people who had their stuff already configured to have that set up okay that's fair that's fair yeah that's what that's what i'm thinking because

i don't think a lot of people have their webcams connected to their web browser. Unless they, like, click allow, and they're like, oh, uh-oh, I'm doxing myself. Yeah, I was going to say, because your browser probably... Yeah, on pretty much anything else, your browser would ask you now, so... Yeah, so unless you've been using the same OS, same OS used on, like, sites like Omegle, or if you've had using the same os same os used on like sites like omegle or um or if you've had

that on there before um which omegle doesn't exist anymore and rightfully so but um you know unless you had that on there you know you would have to click allow in order for that to happen if not like you know i keep that stuff off by default you know it's favorites or nothing on there like i don't want that feature because they're releasing features other than fixing their site we don't want features we want your we want you to fix your site be more transparent and actually tell people why they got banned so they could fix it yeah yeah yeah yeah twitch twitch is yeah worst case scenario

I love the I love the person from twitch who was responsible for the feature who was like getting angry that people didn't want it they're like well none of you people want to collab anyway I'm trying to make it easier to have

collab features like this is not it. It's not how you do it. We have Discord. What do we need that shit for? I don't know. That's so in- Like, before, there was, like, another version of it as well that they had before, before they got rid of it.

That's where you're, like, you're- Like, you would capture a certain part of your screen and you would show it on somebody else's stream. And, like like they're releasing the same feature but like making it worse um like they just need to depreciate all the features people don't want and put the features people want which are quality of life stuff they want their site to work they want to make sure they have at least 4k viewing experiences which hasn't happened yet um actually i think it did happen recently with the whole uh

yeah it did happen recently actually this is very recent they the encoder got upgraded on twitch yeah they added av1 to the start of the year yeah yeah they can use av1 now so that way they can stream in 4k which is good it's one of the good things twitch did but they're also doing a whole bunch of bad things on the side like you got to be transparent with people you got to tell people why they got banned if you're not telling people that and you're being really snarky in somebody's comments towards somebody have to finally get it out of you like they did with that one person like oh you it's because you had a fujitech person like why wasn't that in the report why wasn't that presented to them the first time until they had to jump off through all these hoops just to find out that oh and how was the issue and it's probably not even the issue you're probably

not even telling the right thing probably misleading them probably be like oh we're twitch we fucked up oh i'm sorry it was your fuji tech and the person's like how literally how we probably should wrap this up um before we go we go we just keep talking forever I'm going deep I can talk forever let people know where they can find you and I probably should have mentioned this earlier but I absolutely adore your website

thank you your website is ridiculous I'm going to show it now it looks like something straight out of like GeoCities and things like that it's NeoCities

so yeah I am I'm KyloNeko you can find me on Twitch you can find me on YouTube as well I have like a VOD channel as well but you're better off finding me on twitch uh with uh twitch.tv forward slash just kylo neko you can type it in lowercase and you'll see me pop up there i stream on linux i use linux all the time now it is now my daily driving computer

that i used um and i'm able to get everything running pretty good. Probably even better than Windows. And I really have no issue with that. You can also find me on Twitter with KyloNeko. Instead of the O at the end, there's a zero. So it's at KyloNeko. There actually is an account called KyloNeko. It's for a cat. So make sure you go to the correct one.

Yes. Yeah. I'm not the cat. Okay. I am a cat VTuber, but I'm not the cat. When I do my face reveal, I'll show you what I look like though. It may or may not be a cat though. Which will happen for a long time from now because I don't know where to find a liquid cat yet. Because they are very rare to find. But but yeah you can find me in those areas i do upload content to youtube as well i upload a vod channel which i do update every now and then with like thumbnails and stuff so i want to keep things consistent um as well as a main youtube channel which i may not upload that much there but i do edit a video every now and then and upload it uh either a video like a you know and upload it. Either a video with like a, you know,

starting to do like these tutorial kind of videos, or I might just do a funny video because I live in 2008. I can tell from the website. Yeah. The website's good. I love it. This is more like 1998. Oh yeah, definitely.

Definitely. Like if you go to Kylo and echo.net you're going to see a bunch of youtubers i recommend and also people i know as well um as well as i need to update the site section i need to pay for pine grow on linux because site lex is not working um but once i get that done um i can then like rework the site into maybe like a like it's kind of probably it's kind of the same aesthetics but it's going to be like a little bit easier to navigate some stuff right right yeah i love the uh the cards you have for the artist section though as well like these uh oh yeah these are incredible oh yeah definitely that's where i got my artist that's where i did my artist credits uh for for a lot of people uh

the rest of the credits are in my Twitch the credits section yeah it goes directly straight to either their Ko-Fi or their Twitter because they have been vetted and they are trustworthy enough to get your stuff from like it's pretty good is there anything

else you want to mention or is that pretty much it where can people find the guide? They probably should mention that. So you could find the guide. I have it actually pinned on my Twitter. Oh, okay. Yeah.

So the guide is pinned on my Twitter. You could find it. When you go to my Twitter, you're going to see where the VTS Pog video is at, but below that is going to be where the guide is at. And it will take you directly to either the Google Docs version of it. Or you could find the updated guide if you scroll down even further to where it takes you to the code Berg for that as well. And I hope this is going to be in the description.

I'm definitely it will be added to the description, yeah yeah. Okay, okay, yeah, so it'll be a lot easier to find it through this. Mm-hmm. Okay! That pretty much it? It's just a- yeah. It's a miracle all this works, honestly. Hey, well, it probably wouldn't have worked a couple of years ago, but... Oh, it definitely wouldn't have. Yeah.

It definitely wouldn't have. Things would have been a lot better. I could have been talking for hours, too. For a while, for a little bit, I was... Are you done recording? Oh, no, no, yeah, I'll do my outro and then we'll do that. Okay. Okay, okay, I didn't know.

I will say, like, for, um... For like a while, I was just like, you know, just trying to get this work in. And this works. I was like, oh, I need to make people aware of this. I need to put all this information in one space, one spot. So where they're like, now I don't have to fuck. Now I don't have to spend so much time. Yeah, yeah. Finding all of these like resources when they're all in one spot.

Right, right. I do recommend, if you do have a Codebird and you are interested in helping out, go ahead and make a fork and see what changes need to be made to it on the specific section. I'll take that section

and I will make my adjustments to it as well whenever we cross cross that cross that path sweet um cool as for my stuff my main channel is brody robertson i do linux videos there six-ish days a week uh i've got the gaming channel brody on games right now i'm probably yeah i'll still be doing black, and I'll probably have moved into Kingdom Hearts 0.2, I reckon. If you're listening to the audio version of this,

you can find the video version on YouTube at Tech Over Tea. You can find the audio version on pretty much any podcast platform. There is an RSS feed, so put it in your favorite app, and you'll be good to go. I'll give you the final word. How do you want to sign us off i usually scream before we sign off go right ahead