Tech Over Tea - Every Year Is The Year Of The Linux Desktop | Solo

Episode Date: January 4, 2023

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Good morning, good day, and good evening. Welcome back to the show. This is episode 149, and I think the first episode of 2023. So the EG episode goes up on the 29th. Yeah, this should be the first episode of 2023. So I guess this is like a happy new year's or whatever. I'm recording this on the 22nd of December. So look, the entire world could have ended by now. And this is being seen by no one. I have no idea.
Starting point is 00:00:49 It may not be seen on Twitter, considering the direction that Twitter has been going lately, which has been... Well, look, if I talk about anything involving Twitter, it's probably going to be so horribly out of date by the time that anybody actually hears this, because shit is changing so, so insanely quickly. Like every other day, it seems like something new is happening. But, you know, it is what it is. So just before I get into anything actually important. Just before I had one of the, it might be one of the dumbest conversations
Starting point is 00:01:27 I think I've had in a very long time. But considering the person it was with, it makes a lot of sense. So my housemate who I've streamed a couple of times with before, I don't think he's shown up at all like when I'm recording a podcast, but usually just off doing his own thing. I hear him yelling about, I don't think he's shown up at all when I'm recording a podcast, but usually just off doing his own thing. I hear him yelling about, I don't know, something.
Starting point is 00:01:51 Occasionally I'll hear him yelling about something. You see this on YouTube. And when he notices that my door's open or I'm out of my room, he'll usually come to me to complain about something. I heard him yelling something about, how does this person not understand basic maths or how is this person so dumb and i was like okay sure this is gonna be something stupid let's see so my door was open i was sitting here doing you know whatever whatever it is we're doing, getting ready for the podcast or something. And he comes up to me and says, I've got a basic maths question for you.
Starting point is 00:02:31 Can you answer? I was like, okay, sure, whatever. What's nine plus 10? Now, for the record, for the record, this is not a boomer housemate like I've lived with before. This is someone who is like a year older than I am. So, there's only one correct answer to what's 9 plus 10. It's 21.
Starting point is 00:02:54 For anyone who needs, like, a refresher on why it's 21, just go onto YouTube and type in what's 9 plus 10. Like, I don't know why I'm explaining such a basic meme, but he had no idea what I was talking about. He just stood there confused. Like, what do you mean it's 21? I'm just like, it's 21. I just, no, no further explanation because it shouldn't need further explanation.
Starting point is 00:03:26 You should have an understanding of why nine plus 10 is 21. I would understand if I said to like, said that to my parents or something. And they're like, why, why did this person say 21? Like, fair enough. You're in your like forties and fifties, perfectly reasonable. But if you're in your 20s and you don't know like that would be like if i like if i gave i don't know some other some other like stupidly mainstream meme like if i said something about a troll face for example or pepe if you were like and this is someone who is like actively on the internet as
Starting point is 00:04:07 well so it's not like you know weird internet culture that he's just not heard of someone actively on the internet who is around the same age as i am who doesn't know one of the well like if i point at your shoes and say one of those just like, how are you this sheltered from what's happening around you? Like, I don't understand at all. So that definitely made
Starting point is 00:04:36 my day, made my week, and you know, gave me a bit of fun, that's for sure. Speaking of a little fun, this pelican back here, I'm actually pissed off that nobody's, like, pointed it out in a video.
Starting point is 00:04:53 Like, I've had this fucking thing sitting back here for, like, an entire week. I guess the videos you're seeing now, they're probably gone, because this is my... This is a garden ornament, okay? In this is my, um, this is a garden ornament, okay, in case you couldn't tell. Uh, this is a garden ornament, it's
Starting point is 00:05:10 for my, uh, for my mum for Christmas, and I thought it would just be funny to put it in the background of my videos for a week. It was there in the background of the EG episode, it was there in the background of, like, six fucking videos, and not a single
Starting point is 00:05:26 person pointed out the pelican. No one. Usually when I have something dumb going on, like when I got the whiteboard, the second it was there, someone pointed it out. If I have a stupid
Starting point is 00:05:41 pelican statue right here, how? How do you not talk about that? Like, why the fuck is there a pelican statue? Maybe it's because of the stuff I have back there that just no one cared about it. Just fucking point out the pelican. Stop ruining my joke. Stop ruining my joke by having no idea that I'm trying to make a joke.
Starting point is 00:06:03 Read my mind, dammit! Read my mind and notice why there's a fucking pelican there. Oh, God. But, um... Yeah, if anyone's still here, and I haven't scared all of you away by, uh,
Starting point is 00:06:20 ranting about the pelican statue, um... Yeah. Yeah. I'm usually, like... ranting about the pelican statue. Um, yeah. I'm usually, like, my family's usually pretty pretty lazy. I don't know if lazy is the correct word, or just, it's not
Starting point is 00:06:37 really been this major important event. Like, ever since me and my sister have, like, become adults, um, Christmas just hasn't been this, like, big me and my sister have like become adults um christmas just hasn't been this like big event in my family usually only becomes a big event when i go and see like my younger nieces and nephews who are i think the oldest is like 14 so it's still in that range where christmas you know does matter to some extent especially uh especially in the case of um my the niece and nephew from my half sister because they don't have that much money so like if you give them a gift like you
Starting point is 00:07:12 know it's a big thing um but for like my sister me my mom and my stepdad it's not real like christmas is usually just time of getting together and just hanging out because my sister lives near me she's like 10 maybe five minutes down the road like pretty close by but my uh my parents they are like you know hour and a half drive away so it's not like a massive drive but it's a drive where it's far enough that it's like out of the way and you're not gonna do it that often because like you know three hour round trip and it it's just kind of like it's far enough where it's inconvenient to go that entire distance like you know every weekend or every other weekend which to be fair to some extent is probably good otherwise they would be every fucking weekend, which, to be fair, to some extent, is probably good, otherwise they would be every fucking weekend, um, but as for Christmas, um, usually gifts aren't that big of a deal,
Starting point is 00:08:13 so I think my sister, I think my sister bought my parents, like, some, some, like, mixed nuts and chocolates, and, like, you know, they, they like snacks, so snacks and all that stuff, they will devour probably way too quickly. This is for my mum because, I don't know, I was thinking of getting her just a gift card for the Virginia nursery and just, like, hey, here you go, buy something there yourself. Then I saw this pelican, I'm like hey here you go buy something there yourself and I saw this Pelican like oh I want to buy it I want to buy it because it looks stupid it looks stupid and it's not that expensive so yeah
Starting point is 00:08:58 those look kind of stupid if you look like dead on like this um then for my stepdad i did buy him a gift card uh bought him like a gift card for a tool shop um that's like usually me and my sister just go halves in you know whatever gift card so i think like a hundred dollar gift card or something and uh i think for my sister i don't what my parents are getting her. Oh, right, she wanted, like, a multi-cooker or something, so, like, to do, you know, slow cooking, rice cooking, all that fun stuff in, like, you know, a single thing. I think, I don't know what, if there's anything else, but I think my mom's buying me, like, a rice cooker or something,
Starting point is 00:09:38 or she was getting me a gift card to buy a rice cooker. I don't exactly remember. And then for my sister. She doesn't know this. I guess when I'm recording this. But by the time this is out. I guess she would know. Because she would already have it.
Starting point is 00:09:54 A while back. I think a couple of weeks back. The starter motor in her. Mazda something. I don't know. Mazda 3 or something. I think it's a Mazda 3, yeah, uh, her starter motor had died, um, luckily, you know, her partner is a mechanic, so he could install the stuff, so labor isn't a big cost, but there's still the cost of the part, so I'm, I was just like, you know what, fuck it, I'll just buy you a new starter motor, so it's not
Starting point is 00:10:24 that expensive, it's like 200 bucks or something, um, it's like, fuck it. I'll just buy you a new starter motor. So it's not that expensive. It's like 200 bucks or something. It's like, fuck it. You can have this and then, I don't know, you can feel like you have to repay me the entire year. Now, she's bought me lunch enough times that I think I can justify just giving her the money for that. Like, fuck it.
Starting point is 00:10:44 Here you go. Enjoy. Enjoy your go. Enjoy. Enjoy your car. She already replaced the starter motor. But, like, enjoy not having to, like, lose... I almost spilt the tea on my keyboard. Enjoy not having to lose money on your starter motor because it just died out of fucking nowhere.
Starting point is 00:11:03 Like, that's an annoying thing to go. Like, when it's a core part of your car that you can't live without like your fucking i don't know your battery or starter motor something that's just annoying i drove my car for like two years with a with the passenger mirror attached with duct tape like that doesn't matter but when it's your starter motor you can't really get around uh you know that not working as long if you want to like you know go places and drive the car so i am predicting the future right now i guarantee she's gonna like this is too much you don't take it. In which case, I'll just send her the money to her bank account. It's like, no, you take the fucking money,
Starting point is 00:11:53 and she chose to send it back or just send it to her again. Like, just, the money will pro- if she doesn't take it straight away, the money will probably bounce back and forth. Either that'll happen, or she will take the money and then go and buy some drinks, which is also very, very possible. And knowing her, it's probably going to happen. Oh, also bought her boyfriend some white claws. He's drinking white claws. Like, you know what? Here you go.
Starting point is 00:12:20 Here you go, mate. I don't fucking know what to buy you. Have some white claws and I guess enjoy those. And if you don't want them, I will take them because I like white claws as well. But I think Christmas Day, unless something changes, we're just having like a barbecue lunch and I'm probably going to get very drunk all day, which will be fun. I'll enjoy that actually my sister's probably gonna be the one who gets the most drunk because knowing her actually she might make her boyfriend the designated driver
Starting point is 00:12:55 or make my mom drive her home either of those are very possible as well oh god but um yeah that's pretty much my plan for christmas new year's i don't have a plan i don't really ever do much for new year's i sort of just like hang around kind of just like chilling basically honest like actually what day is new year's on, because I, like, last year, I think I just played FFXIV all night, uh, New Year's Eve, uh, it's a Saturday, it's a Saturday, wow, that's such a perfect day, maybe there'll be an event somewhere that I go to, Let's see. New Year's Eve Adelaide. Is there anything I want to go to? Masquerade Garland, Glenelg. No, that sounds fucking awful. I'm probably gonna stay at home and play FFXIV. Who am I kidding? I'm just gonna stay at home and play FFXIV and probably get drunk again. That sounds like a good plan.
Starting point is 00:14:02 Keep making my way through Shadowbringers That sounds like a good plan. Keep making my way through Shadowbringers. And, you know, chill. Maybe I'll stream that day on, like, the main channel or something. I was thinking of doing that earlier in the year. I was thinking of doing, like, a big event. And then I never got around to, like, planning anything for the event.
Starting point is 00:14:21 So there's not going to be a big event anymore. But maybe next year. Maybe next year it'll happen but it probably won't i'll probably get to like you know just november december like wait i planned to do a big event this year didn't i yeah where the fuck that go uh but you know it is what it is it do be what it do be and it is what it is. It do be what it do be, and it is what it is. Speaking of it is what it is, though, I guess by now,
Starting point is 00:14:57 if the rap trend on the Linux YouTube space is still going, I guess... I don't know why it's still going, but as of the recording of this, there is... four that I know about. You have obviously the one from, actually for anyone who didn't pay attention, um, DistroTube for whatever reason decided to start a rap battle trend in the, uh, in the Linux YouTube space. Why he did this?
Starting point is 00:15:24 I don't know. It's cringe. It's very, very cringe. But it is what it is. And DT directly called me out in this episode, in this video. It's like, you know what? Mate, you don't know what the fuck you're doing. You have no idea who you are talking to
Starting point is 00:15:47 i will take any stupid challenge and i will do it better than you were doing it so that's what i did and then i did uh i did mine that was, I guess, yesterday? Day before. Day before yesterday. Um, and then DT, uh, actually, like, shouted this out, so it's now, like, almost 10k views. It's at almost fucking 10k views for a stupid joke video.
Starting point is 00:16:18 And I, the lighting I did for this was, I didn't have anything better to do. I was like, fuck it, let's just do the lighting in the dumbest way possible. And, honestly, these light bars I have, like, they came in clutch. Like, this would've looked pretty bad.
Starting point is 00:16:36 Also, the pelican is fucking there. Down in the corner there, stop, stop Brody. Here you go. Down here. The pelican's there. I was thinking of, like, trying to light it up in some way. I couldn't... I couldn't think of a good way to do it. But, um, yeah, these lights...
Starting point is 00:16:51 These lights definitely come in clutch. Like, I can just be like, Oh, hey, they're gonna be fucking blue now. Oh, it's not even the mode I mean to put them on. They'll be like, you know, they're this one. And they do this thing. Just looks really dumb and really cool. Um, is it that colour? Yeah, that're this one. And they do this thing. It just looks really dumb and really cool. Is it that color?
Starting point is 00:17:06 Yeah, that's the one. These, you know, these were a dumb purchase. But for doing this, they actually worked out pretty well. And then for the lighting, like, on my face, I just didn't turn on one of the lights. Like, it looks, it doesn't look great. It really doesn't look great. Like it looks. It doesn't look great. It really doesn't look great. But it works. It functions.
Starting point is 00:17:30 Technically. Like you know. At a you know basic level. It functions. And that's all that matters. Then following that one. I believe Nephite came out next. Nephite has a very small channel, so...
Starting point is 00:17:49 Makes sense why you wouldn't have seen this one. Does he have any comments on this? Just 22 views. Oh no, he does have some. Why did this break? I had this working before I started recording, and then it decided to break now. Stop it. Here you go. So you get this one from Nephite here. That's only got 22 views right now. Oh, I guess Bugs Riders came out first, didn't it? Oh, well I got in the
Starting point is 00:18:17 wrong order. Also there was the Bugs Riders one. Here you go. Disclaimer, it's a joke, seriously. Actually, on this one, I left a comment. I think he might have pinned it. Yeah, I said, I guess I have to delete my channel now, um, and responded by saying, so glad you took it lightly. I was afraid you might get offended. Actually, why did I put the name on that drinking it? lightly. I was afraid you might get offended. Actually, why did I put the name on that drinking it? I love, I love the amount of work you did. I learned a lot from you. Now go on. Actually, I didn't read that bottom part there. No, I'm not going to fucking delete my channel, mate. But yeah, this, I would say this is actually, like, really good. I was laughing my ass off the entire time.
Starting point is 00:19:12 And I forgot he had the clip from DT's gun video. But he, like, he brought in clips from, um, from random videos like this. There's, like, a Mr. Robot clip. I love that the picture he used is this ancient picture from my GitHub. Like, this is such a bad... Like, I thought it was a good picture at the time. But looking at it now, it's such a fucking bad picture. Also, my beard was a mess back then it was way too short it didn't connect even remotely i think i was skinnier back then but i was also just like
Starting point is 00:19:57 small not just skinnier but also smaller like not as much like muscle mass and all that And then the most recent one that I've seen so far is from Niccolo V otherwise known as Niko loves Linux now and His was actually I think if I had to rate the lyrics If I do rate the the writing This is probably the best one. Because he actually has experience writing poems. So he understands, you know, how to write. He's not great at rapping, but he understands how to write.
Starting point is 00:20:37 If I had to say the best one rap-wise, honestly, probably Bugs Writers. Like, I could say myself, like, haha, I'm so, I'm so good at rapping, but, like, if I'm not memeing, I actually think Bugs Ryders might be the best, the best, I guess, spoken, the best, rapped, however you want to describe it, and this one is the best written. That's before's before you know any others might come out there might be another one that's out by now that i just haven't seen i know that i know that ren was gonna make one he had one that was like in the works i don't know if he was actually gonna finish it and a lot of people have been asking the linux cast to do uh to do one as well some
Starting point is 00:21:23 people have been asking nick from the linux experiment to do it which i think would be a fucking incredible experience if nick did that um i don't know if that's that one's gonna happen a lot of people have been asking since the start for for mental outlaw as well that's another one that I really doubt is going to happen, but I think it would be really funny if it did. Like, Kenny has done a lot of weird videos for his channel. Like, he started off like me and Luke, where it was just, like, purely Linux channel.
Starting point is 00:22:05 Luke's now gone and do Monero stuff. He's just a crypto shill at this point. But Kenny also does workout videos from time to time, cooking videos. So it's very possible that someone could convince him to do a rap video as well. In my video, I called out Bugs Rider in the Linux cast, specifically the Linux cast, sorry, specifically Bugs Rider because I knew his videos primarily shitposts. If anybody was going to do it, it was going to be Bugs Rider. Like, if you go to his channel, I don't know if there's anything on here that isn't a shitpost.
Starting point is 00:22:48 Why did he upload some random some classic Japanese movie? See, this is what I mean. His channel just is just a bit of everything. It's primarily Linux shitposting, but even so, it's still
Starting point is 00:23:03 just shitposting. So I knew that I could probably convince him to do it, um, and I'm happy I did. I'm very happy I did, and he's tried to call out Luke as well, uh, DT did in his video. I really doubt that, um, I really doubt that Luke would do it. I, I would love if Luke Smith actually, uh, actually made a rap video for the Linux space, but Luke doesn't even, uh, doesn't even make Linux videos at this point anymore. Like, last one he did was a month ago, and then, When was the other last Linux video? Cooking, cooking, tech job. Vim, I guess this is tech.
Starting point is 00:23:53 Oh, this one, the LF video. So technically a month ago and then, oh, I guess he did one about being at Linux Fest, which is cool. Oh, I missed one. This one. So five months ago. Five months ago before this one one month ago.
Starting point is 00:24:14 Besides that, it's just like social commentary videos every so often. I'm so happy this trend exists. I've said for a while that the Linux space is... I think it takes itself way too seriously. There's a lot of people that it's kind of just...
Starting point is 00:24:38 If it's not serious, it's not good. And I just... I want nothing to do with that, basically. I... I want nothing to do with that basically I I I like making they're like you know topical serious videos and all that but I feel like the Linux space is for better or worse like five years behind maybe in this case like six or seven like years behind the rest of YouTube. Like, if you look
Starting point is 00:25:06 at the way that most people make their thumbnails, the way that most people shoot their videos and edit their videos, it's kind of following those trends from quite a while ago. In some ways, that's a good thing, because it does get around, like, some of the, you know know if you've been and watched like mainstream modern youtube there is a lot of stuff where it's just like this seems like it's garbage for this and like you know the the constant zoom ins and zoom out i'll use a zoom in and zoom out every so often but when it's like oh what's going on guys it's like like, stop it. Oh God, I'm dizzy now. Like when it's like that, can we just,
Starting point is 00:25:50 can we just chill? Like bring it down, maybe three or 10 levels. Um, I don't mean going that far, but like there is, there's a lot less excitement in many of the Linux channels than I would like to see. I try to bring some of that into my own content.
Starting point is 00:26:13 Because that is the style of... Generally the style of videos I tend to enjoy. Like one of my... Right now one of my favorite channels is like William Osmond for example. On the rare occasions he actually uploads something. Or Michael Reeves. I love channels like that but there's just not that much there's not that level of it not that level of energy in the Linux space and I feel like I feel like it could definitely it could definitely benefit from more of that being
Starting point is 00:26:46 brought in, and I've, as I said, I've been trying to bring some of that into my videos, as, you know, I know I've been making videos for, like, three or so years or whatever, but I feel like only now I'm, you know, really getting comfortable on camera, and really getting used to, you know, especially with the, I think the podcast really helps, like, these, I guess, being more of myself on camera, it's not like I've been using a character all this time, I think the, the best way to put it is, it's kind of like, the best way to put it is it's kind of like i am i'm acting like brody would act on camera if that makes sense it's not like this is it's not like this is this fucking dog i don't know if you can hear it um it's like this is this whole separate thing that is nothing like me
Starting point is 00:27:42 but it's also not exactly the way that i would like. Like, if I have an idea in my head on, like, how I would like to say something on camera, how I would like to act, things like that, and up until fairly recently, there's always been sort of a disconnect between that, where the idea I have in my head. Isn't necessarily. What ends up. Appearing on the camera. And the way that I.
Starting point is 00:28:13 The way that I will. Portray myself. If that makes any sense. The thing. The videos obviously. Have helped there with the scripted format. But. Podcast and live streams also just... The thing about that is even though it's a different format, it's still...
Starting point is 00:28:32 Like, the podcast is just me. Like, I will project my voice, you know, slightly differently for the sake of the camera. Because otherwise, you know, I'm just... Like, I tend to mumble quite a bit. When I'm recording, I try to, you know, enunciate, I, I tend to mumble quite a bit, um, when I'm recording, I try to, you know, enunciate what I'm saying a bit more, so you guys have any idea what I'm saying, I've already had enough people complain that, like, you know, my accent for some people is a slight, like, people that are very English as a second language, where English is, like, they are still very much learning it, have trouble
Starting point is 00:29:06 understanding some of the maybe not vernacular, but some of the ways I'm, that actually, no, the other thing is that is vernacular. Like, I'll act slightly differently on the camera, but I want to bring more of myself
Starting point is 00:29:22 into how I'm talking and that sort of, that repetition of doing the streams, doing these podcasts, speaking for hours and hours and hours with a camera and with lights on you, definitely has, um, has helped to, like, has helped to improve that, like, some people are basically naturals on camera, you, like, stick them in front of you, stick them in front of some studio lights, and everything just goes well. They can speak exactly like they would, like, in their head, and exactly like they would in a regular situation. I found that, for whatever reason, when that camera is on me, even if I'm doing, like, a lot of the time recently, I've been sort of running through parts of my
Starting point is 00:30:05 notes prior to recording but then as soon as I bring the lights on and as soon as I turn the camera on then things sort of like fall apart a little bit and don't don't click into place the same way maybe it's that like that pressure of having the camera there. Or maybe it's just the fact that I don't sleep much. That probably doesn't help either. Yeah, that definitely doesn't help either. But that gap has definitely been closing over time. And I think one place where it's definitely been getting a lot better, and I feel like the quality of what I've been putting out has been better,
Starting point is 00:30:51 is when I have a guest on the show. A lot of my early episodes with guests on them, like after I started having people that just weren't just my friends on, I feel like some of those early episodes were a bit rough. I didn't know how to conduct... It's not just a conversation. Like, there's certain people I have on the show where it's just a conversation.
Starting point is 00:31:18 Like, when I bring Donald on, when I bring Ren on, I'm just chatting with them. Like, I don't treat that like a podcast per se, like, I do have the topics and want to keep things rolling, um, it's not like, you know, a Discord call with someone where it's like, we just sit there for half an hour not saying anything because we're just focusing on a game or whatever, um, but it's generally just, like, chatting shit the entire time, as opposed to having someone, like, uh, the first episode I had EG on, for example, and usually the first episode I have pretty much any on, I usually conduct that more in an interview fashion, trying to get certain questions answered, if, you know, a conversation starts flowing,
Starting point is 00:32:07 I'm not going to stop that because usually that ends up being some of the better content that comes out of it. But when I am doing that interview style, that's not a normal way of speaking. So it's something you sort of have to get used to with those extra episodes and that's another thing where i think i'm kind of getting it down i definitely am not good at it like go watch a a good well-made podcast like whether it's joe rogan or lex friedman or anybody else out there that you might enjoy but i think i'm getting a rough idea of how to actually not just formulate the questions but order them in a way that makes sense uh bridge between certain topics and bring topics back into a direction where I think that they're going to be there's going to be something of interest there like I think the episode where that
Starting point is 00:33:12 kind of clicked with me the most recently would have been with the last episode that I had Lena like there are a lot of times where I was asking about something and managed to redirect it to like a certain direction where I feel like there would be a really interesting topic which is not something that not something that I had done in some of those early episodes like with the
Starting point is 00:33:39 original DT episode actually the DT one's an interesting one because because at the time I was like such a big fan of DT so. Actually, the DT one's an interesting one, because, because at the time, I was, like, such a big fan of DT, so it's not just me not being used to having guests on, it's also, like, a kind of, I guess, star, a star-struck situation, um, because I think that was, like, episode 41. Uh, I should bring DT back on, that'll be fun. Um, because I think that was like episode 41. Uh, I should bring DT back on. That'll be fun. Um, oh god. Oh god, look at these lights. I still have the exact same overlay. I think I slightly modified it. But yeah, look, I'm so fucking awkward. I don't know what to do.
Starting point is 00:34:21 I don't know what to do. Ugh! Just looking at my face here, it actually hurts me. But, I think also just listening to more podcasts would help me with that as well. Just seeing how, not necessarily copying how other people
Starting point is 00:34:41 are doing a podcast, but seeing what makes a podcast good. Because are doing a podcast, but seeing what makes a podcast good. Because for quite a while, I kind of stopped listening to them. Then I got really back into Joe Rogan, usually listening at work and just, you know,
Starting point is 00:35:00 not paying attention to what's going on at work. Because I just put boxes on shelves. There's not much not paying attention to what's going on at work. Um, because I just put boxes on shelves. There's not much to really pay attention to. As long as I'm not running people's toes over, uh, it's usually pretty good. Um,
Starting point is 00:35:17 but, now that I am getting better at that, there are definitely, there are definitely some episodes that I've got coming up soonish. Like some January episodes, which I hope end up being really, really good. I don't want to spoil who they are, because nothing's been set in stone just yet. All I will say is there's two episodes that I've got discussions going for
Starting point is 00:35:49 they're developers of applications where if you're in the Linux space you've probably heard of them it's not going to be like the biggest thing out there, like it's not fucking Richard Stallman before anyone's like are you bringing Richard Stallman on
Starting point is 00:36:07 are you bringing Linus Torvalds on no not that kind of everybody knows about it but it's software that if you pay attention especially to the Linux YouTube space you've definitely heard about it I've made videos
Starting point is 00:36:22 about one of these programs I don't think I've done a video about the other one, but a lot of other people have done videos about the other one. I think it's gonna be fun. I think it's definitely gonna be fun because I want to pick their brains about why they made it and sort of what they hope to get out of it compared to what the community who uses it gets out of it. What's it like, you know, expanding an application not based on the functionality that you necessarily need. Because I presume both of these applications were made because the dev wanted to do something that, you know, the software at the time that was around in that space
Starting point is 00:37:06 couldn't exactly do, but rather than designing it based on your design principles there, expanding with other things that, um, that people want to see added. I'm being so vague that if you manage to guess it, there's only one person who watches this show who would actually be able to guess it. Um, actually, you know what, I'll give you, no, actually, I don't want to give you a hint there, because if I say, if I say who, then you'll be able to, you'll be able to go back to that episode and work out what we talked about and work out what they're, uh, what they're involved in. that... Am I being... Maybe it's actually making it easier now.
Starting point is 00:37:48 I feel like I'm being vague, but I feel like I'm giving enough details now that you can kind of work something out. Because if I go back through the episodes I had developers on, it's not that many episodes, actually. It's actually... Yeah, no, that actually makes it really easy.
Starting point is 00:38:04 It's just a matter of you knowing who the developers are, not that many episodes actually it's actually yeah no that actually makes it really easy it's just a matter of you knowing who the developers are and uh then working out what they're actually involved in uh but you'll see like probably the week after this episode or the week after that probably sometime in january february time that that's what i'm gonna say um unless you know things come up and plans don't align, all that fun stuff. There's always going to be issues with aligning stuff, especially when I'm dealing with
Starting point is 00:38:32 people that have vastly different time zones than I do, which is basically everyone I've had on the show. I think the only besides the Australians, obviously those don't count because they're in Australia. Besides the Australians, obviously those don't count because they're in Australia. Besides the Australians,
Starting point is 00:38:48 I've had maybe two people on that were in a time zone near mine. Lina in Japan, and then Kai Hendry in Singapore.
Starting point is 00:39:03 Singapore, I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, but it's an hour and a half behind Adelaide. I might be mistaken there. I'm going to double check, but that sounds right to me. Singapore time zone. Time zone. It is plus 8. Oh, it might be... It might be an hour and a half behind. Yeah, it's an hour and a half behind when it's not daylight savings, I think. Yeah, because Singapore... Does Singapore have daylight savings?
Starting point is 00:39:40 Or is it only standard time? Okay, yeah. Singapore does not have daylight savings. So when it is not daylight savings, Adelaide is plus 930. Yes, that makes sense. That's another person I want to bring back on. Kai Hendry.
Starting point is 00:40:00 Is he even making videos at this point? I have no idea. Let's see. Kai he is on various various things yes on various various random things that he feels like talking about 11 days ago was the most recent one. I should bring Kai back on. That was a fun episode. Because if anyone doesn't remember that one, the reason why I brought him on
Starting point is 00:40:33 is I think in a video I think it might have been a video where he bullied me about my beard. Because my beard was pretty terrible back then. But like, you know what? Fuck it. You're, bullied me about my beard, because my beard was pretty terrible back then, but, like, you know what, fuck it, you're gonna bully me about my beard, I'm gonna be like, hey, come onto my podcast, mate, let's chat, if anyone want, look, if, if anyone is gonna,
Starting point is 00:41:00 gonna talk shit about the beard, come on the show, let's fucking go we'll duke it out mate now that was a good episode, that was like a chill episode just like, I'm pretending like it was a fight, it wasn't it was just like, I think chatting about suckless applications and just general Linux back then oh that's another thing that I've gotten better at
Starting point is 00:41:22 sort of selecting topics for particular guests. Not just like general things that are happening, but like if I'm bringing someone on who is more focused on, you know, like Linux, for example, as opposed to general tech, then it'll be more Linux stuff. If it's someone who's like interested in gaming, then I'll bring more gaming stuff on and things like that.
Starting point is 00:41:46 It tends to make a better conversation when you have something to base off if it's not, like, a general friend conversation. Like, when I have Donald on, I'll fucking chat about anything, basically. Just like, hey, your cat's pretty big. Look at that fucking cat. If you're not saying he's got a Maine Coon.
Starting point is 00:42:06 It's a very big cat. Just drop the fucking spoon. It's fine. You know, just wipe it off. Ten second rule or something. Just put it back in the teacup. It's fine. I won't die from drinking that.
Starting point is 00:42:25 Yeah. just put it back in the teacup it's fine i won't die from drinking that um yeah we've not talked about a single tech topic so far and you know what we're gonna we're gonna continue that let's talk about something that it's been long enough at this point it's not gonna be like major spoilers or whatever um the new avatar movie avatar the way of the water i think i think it was i think it was last weekend for me yeah i think it was last weekend for me that I went and saw Avatar 2. So, how do I describe Avatar? Avatar. Avatar.
Starting point is 00:43:10 Avatar 2. So, the movie starts out, you know, sort of like the first, it basically continues on from where the first movie ended. The people are kicked off of the planet. Everyone in the Blue Mon monkeys Are all living their life And doing all that fun stuff And then the people come back And then the people are gonna be evil But if you remember in the first movie
Starting point is 00:43:34 The like big antagonist dude The like the military dude With the buzz cut Turns out he didn't die Well he did die but they made a clone of him before he died So now he's He is the antagonist again, but this time they brought him back in a, uh, Na'vi body, so he's now faster and
Starting point is 00:43:53 stronger, and all that fun stuff, um, the people come down, they're basically doing the exact same thing the first movie was about, trying to get resources off of, uh, Pandora, and all that fun stuff, uh, but there was, like, I think it think it was like a 10-year time skip or something. It was definitely a large time skip because now Jake has... three kids that are his, one adopted kid, and then there's this human that was left over that was too young. I think
Starting point is 00:44:27 it was the colonel's kid was too young to leave Pandora in cryostasis. So he's now stayed on the planet and is being raised by Jake and the Na'vi and he acts a lot like the Na'vi kids as well. So
Starting point is 00:44:44 all of that happens. People come down. They do their thing. They. The humans try to attack the. The tribe that. Jake was now the leader of. Because at the end of the first movie.
Starting point is 00:44:57 He became the leader of them. Maybe it was sometime in this. Either way. Jake is the leader of. Of the Blue Monkey tribe. At least this Blue Monkey Tribe. And he realized that the only way to keep them safe is to leave. And this is how we get into the way of the water.
Starting point is 00:45:13 Because he decides to leave the forest people and go live with the ocean people. Who are basically the same, but now they have like fish tails and they can like, you know, swim better. So if I find water navi, I'll see if I can find them, because they're like a slightly different blue color as well. Do-do-do-do, can I find one of the new guys? Yeah, here's the tribe leader. Yeah, this will work. Here. So, like, a slightly more cyan blue.
Starting point is 00:45:57 And they've, like, oh, face painted all the stuff. Different face, but it's more, like, it's more tribal. different face but it's more like it's more it's more tribal like it it's what you think of as like a tribal tattoo as opposed to the the forest people where it's more like more like war paint it's just like simple lines and stuff like that and then they've got like fish tails to to swim um better in the water uh and they the kids that were with uh jake they like you know try to they all try to integrate with this new tribe uh the kids get bullied because they don't have fish tails they have forest tails and like how are you going to be able to swim with that simple tail and pretty much the first like i would say the first hour and a half of the movie is basically a repeat of the first movie so if you remember
Starting point is 00:46:46 in the first movie where um jake was trying to integrate with the forest people learning the ways of the forest people how to like climb trees how to hunt things like that pretty much the exact same thing is being done here so the kids learn how to use the um they're like the birds from the first movie like the the big raptor thingies but they're like big eel thingies and they swim through the water uh they learn how to like breathe better underwater slow their heart breath down heart breath heart breath heartbeat breath yes those are different things, um, do all that fun stuff, and one of the kids, uh, was told by Jake to, like, you know, because they've been fighting the entire time, he was told to, like, make friends with them, and, you know, get along and all that, so the kids don't, like,
Starting point is 00:47:41 the, the, the ocean kids don't exactly like him. Take him out of the, like, reef area where the village is set, where, like, they're all safe, out into the open ocean where the big fish and all that live. The kid that was there was almost killed by something in the ocean. Basically, it was a repeat of the... Do you remember the... I think it was, like, the... Were they, like was a repeat of the... Do you remember the... I think it was like the... Were they like a rhino or something?
Starting point is 00:48:08 No. No, it was the dog thingies. Let me find it. Avatar 1 dog thingies. Viper... Is that what they're called? They're called Viper Wolves? Viper Wolf attack Jake.
Starting point is 00:48:39 I don't know if I'll ever find a good shot of it. But there was a scene in the first movie where Jake was being attacked by them. And then some other thing comes over and then saves him. Actually, yeah. No, this is the thing that saves him. This is the thing that saves him. And then in the second movie, basically the exact same thing happens.
Starting point is 00:49:01 So his kid was saved by this whale thing that attacked the thing that was trying to attack the kid. Uh, and then it's this, like, unlike this scene, though, in the first movie, where this guy just, like, disappeared, didn't really do much, in the second movie, the whale thing that was, that, uh, that saved him, that became sort of, like, a crucial part of the story. that became sort of like a crucial part of the story. Um, and everyone was like, that's the, uh, that's the outcast.
Starting point is 00:49:32 You must not go near the outcast. The outcast killed its family. And it's like, everyone thinks this, this whale thing is like this evil whale. And the kids like, are you stupid? It's like really friendly. It's never. It's never tried to harm anyone. Eventually, they keep going back and forth doing that. And, you know, they do the fucking merger thing like the blue monkeys do. Turns out that the whale thing had killed something.
Starting point is 00:49:59 But they'd thought it had murdered its family. What had actually happened is... thought it had murdered its family. What had actually happened is... So these whale things, they had vowed that they will be peaceful creatures. They will never attack the Na'vi. They will never
Starting point is 00:50:14 attack people. They will just be peaceful. And what happened is this guy thought that was stupid because these whales aren't just like dumb animals. They are like smarter than the Na'vi um that this whale thought that was stupid and when they got attacked by the humans because these whale things they've got like this liquid in their brain where if you drink the liquid you become a mortal or something or you live longer i don't know what the justification was but the humans are hunting them just for this uh this liquid so his family was hunted and he was like nah bitch and tried
Starting point is 00:50:53 to attack them um and that like he did end up killing some people but because he was also in the the kill site for his family then everyone's was like, oh, he must have killed the family. Surely the humans couldn't have killed the whales. The humans would never do that. Like, I don't, it didn't make any sense why that was there. Like, he, it even had a, like, a little hook thing that had been shot at him by the humans. Like, it was really obvious he had been attacked by the humans.
Starting point is 00:51:25 So they all just, like, outcast him for some dumb reason. been shot at him by the humans. Like, it was really obvious he had been attacked by the humans. So, they all just, like, outcast him for some dumb reason. But then when it, like, came out that he actually was, like, protecting his family, they were like, yes, but he's still killed, and that's bad. You must not kill. It's like, what are you fucking talking about? So,
Starting point is 00:51:44 eventually, um, Jake's kids get kidnapped. They actually get kidnapped, like, what are you fucking talking about? So, eventually, um, Jake's kids get kidnapped. They actually get kidnapped, like, three times throughout the movie. Um, so, the humans found that Jake had run away and gone to the, the, the ocean people. Um, started, like, murdering
Starting point is 00:51:59 just random villagers. And, like, where's Jake? And they're like, that's a fucking forest monkey it's not here why are you here and it was like that's not a good enough answer and just burns their village down just starts killing all the whale thingies the whale thingies are like they're they're like soul siblings so every one of the navi in this tribe is linked to one of the whale thingies yeah
Starting point is 00:52:29 they were just straught about them being killed it's much like trees being burnt in the first movie how what's her face Jake's wife was like oh my god they're burning trees how dare they burn trees yeah so pretty much just redoing the same, uh, same stuff,
Starting point is 00:52:48 uh, Jake's kids got kidnapped, and eventually Jake fights the Colonel, and the Colonel dies, but he doesn't actually die, so throughout this entire time, um, that human kid, who is the son of the Colonel, he hated the Colonel, the colonel captured him right near the start and was using him as like a translator for the Na'vi trying to track down Jake. And right at the end, when he could have left the colonel to die and, you know, gotten rid of the main antagonist,
Starting point is 00:53:18 he was like, I want to save him. So Jake could like choke the colonel out and he was going to drown in the ocean and the kid spider dragged him out and was like I'm going to save you and the colonel was like come with me son
Starting point is 00:53:35 we will live together and he's like fuck you and just leaves but the colonel is still alive so it's like stop but that other character, that, like, adopted child, that was the child of Avatar 1. What was her name? The character that Sigourney Weaver was playing.
Starting point is 00:54:02 Avatar 1, Grace. Yeah, here we go. So, she was the child of this girl, and for some reason, Grace was, like,
Starting point is 00:54:22 in a coma, and no one understood why she was in a coma or how she got pregnant so this kid is like kind of a mystery they're like this kid just sort of like appeared out of nowhere basically and it's just like okay well uh i i guess she's here now um I guess she's here now. But she's... They're very clearly trying to set up something with this character. Because when... She acts really weirdly around any of the Na'vi stuff.
Starting point is 00:55:01 So when she goes in nature, she'll enter, like, a trance, and everyone gets really confused and worried about it. When she, um, when she merges her tail with the, uh, the spirit tree, uh, she goes into, like, a seizure, and everyone's like, uh, I guess she has epilepsy, and, and when that happened, I was like, okay, that's too human of an explanation. That's definitely not what the deal is. My feeling is she's probably like the Na'vi reincarnation of Ewa or something stupid like that. And my theory there is much later in the movie she's able to like control where these plants are going
Starting point is 00:55:48 and use them to so when Jake was fighting the colonel on the uh at the end there they're fighting on a boat the boat was sinking and everyone got trapped in the boat she used these plants to go and find her parents find her sister and I have
Starting point is 00:56:04 a feeling that it's like if that's sort of the thing they're going for there but I've got a theory for the way the the way the next two movies are gonna go so follow follow me along the first movie he got the support of the forest people. Now, the main animal of the forest people is a bird, okay? Birds fly. Okay, we got this. Second movie, he becomes the hero of the water people. Their main animal is like the squid thing. It swims around. Okay. Water. So we have, we have two things. We have air and we have water. Okay. Now we don't have a tribe that uses a land animal. Okay. Earth. And then let's say there's a tribe that is more destructive that lives with the fire lives near
Starting point is 00:57:09 a volcano the fire tribe air water earth fire i have a feeling that jake is going to become the hero of these four tribes and what i'm saying here is the story is going to like loosely follow avatar the last airbender if you couldn't tell that's what i'm doing here i don't want this to be true but i have a slight feeling that the next movie is going to be called The Way of the Land. It better not be called The Way of the Land. But I have a feeling it is. And if it comes out and that's the name, I am going to lose my shit
Starting point is 00:58:06 it is going to be so funny and it's going to be so dumb it's going to be so so dumb but I feel like I'm right I feel like there's no way I'm not right about this so
Starting point is 00:58:22 James Cameron tell me is it going to be called the way of the land are we then going to have the way of the fire all I hope is it doesn't take another fucking 10 years for the next movie the one thing I sort of like you know skipped over there because I can't really explain it in text
Starting point is 00:58:43 you sort of just have to watch it, is the water is very good. So when I went into this, I was like, you know what? Let's just go into it blind. I watched like two minutes of the, maybe like a minute of trailer stuff. I hadn't even watched the full trailer. I was like, okay, whatever happens, the CG is going to look good. And you know what? Ignoring the fact the movie is basically the first movie. Yeah. The CG was actually pretty good. It was, it was Avatar. It was better. Like some people were saying, oh, it's not much better than the first movie. It was Avatar.
Starting point is 00:59:21 It was better. Like some people were saying, oh, it's not much better than the first movie. It's definitely much better than the first movie. The water looks really good. When they have close-ups of faces, like you can see the pores on their faces. It looks really good.
Starting point is 00:59:42 But even so, unlike the first movie, it's not this giant spectacle. Because really good CG is something that we're kind of used to nowadays. Like when the first Avatar came out, what year was that? Avatar 1, 2009. Let's have a look at what 2009 movies existed uh
Starting point is 01:00:09 wait what you know let's go let's go Fast and the Furious what Fast and Fast and Furious was that movie okay that's actually a good looking movie.
Starting point is 01:00:25 Back then they did practical effects though. So, you know what? I'll let you have that one. Let's have a look. Feature film released between 2009-01 and whatever, the end of the year. A Christmas Carol, Inglourious Bastards. Find something that had a lot of CG. Half-Blood Prince.
Starting point is 01:00:48 Half-Blood Prince even being like a massive movie, the CG, you know, compared to what Avatar had, you could clearly tell there was, like, when you put as much money as Avatar
Starting point is 01:01:03 had put in, it makes sense that it looks a lot better. Uh, Watchmen, Sherlock Holmes, uh, let's see. Or 2012. 2012 came out that same year?
Starting point is 01:01:19 Fucking hell. Like, compare the CG in that. It's got a 5.8. Yes, lovely. Great movie. Go watch 2012. It's awful. But because we're kind of used to the CG that exists now,
Starting point is 01:01:34 if you go watch anything that, any of the Marvel movies, for example, the CG in, like, we can talk about the shitty story that every Marvel movie has, and it's the exact same story, but no one walks out of those movies saying the CG looks bad. It's just that incredible CG is kind of just now the standard.
Starting point is 01:01:58 It just kind of is what it is. So when you see incredible CG like Avatar 2 has, it's just like, okay. It's just more incredible CG that... It's just more incredible CG. But I do think... Do you know how the movie came out in 2009? Dragon Ball Evolution. do you know how the movie came out in 2009 dragon ball evolution dragon ball evolution came out in
Starting point is 01:02:29 that in that same year oh my god i never actually watched that i should do that i really really should go watch dragon ball evolution just like getting really drunk and watch Dragon Ball Evolution. Just, like, getting really drunk and watching it. It seems like it'll be, uh, terrible. But, hey, maybe you could have some fun with it. Possibly. Probably not, but possibly.
Starting point is 01:02:59 Oh, God. But, yeah, um, I think you should go and watch Avatar 2. Don't have, don't, like, set your hopes through the roof. Go into it knowing it's basically the first movie, but now about water. If you do that, I think that you will have a, you won't have an exceptional time,
Starting point is 01:03:31 but you won't feel like you've wasted your time watching this movie. It'll be like, this is a movie where if you were at your parents' house and they had the TV turned on and there was an airing of Avatar 2, you would probably sit down and watch it. But if you were asked like, hey, let's put a movie on and you can pick anything, Avatar 2 is probably not going to be on that list. It's an enjoyable experience, but yeah, it's an enjoyable experience experience but that's pretty much pretty much where it ends so
Starting point is 01:04:09 I have no idea if it's going to make back the money that it spent because what was the cost of that movie oh the budget wait the budget was only two wait the budget is 500 million?
Starting point is 01:04:26 Or is it more? I've seen numbers thrown around all the way up to like 2 billion dollars. I don't know how much this actually cost. But I have no idea if they're actually gonna make back money on
Starting point is 01:04:44 that. because how much have it made so far box office the way the waters box office total is already impressive let's see avatar 2 is on track to beat its predecessors opening in the United States made $434 million globally huh I keep seeing this right here TikTokers are exploiting a dumb AI to generate
Starting point is 01:05:21 giant anime boobs what is this about? What the fuck is this? Okay, you know what? I don't know whether I want to read that, actually. Oh, God. But yeah, go watch it. You know, I didn't watch the 3D version. oh god but yeah go watch it you know I didn't watch the 3D version
Starting point is 01:05:48 apparently the 3D version is really good but I couldn't say I didn't want to wait like an extra half an hour to see that screening so I was just like fuck it let's just watch the non 3D version maybe it would have been better I don't know I could go back and watch it again
Starting point is 01:06:04 but also it's three hours long, and that's a lot of time, it's a lot of time for a movie that's like, at most like a seven, maybe a maybe a six and a half, a seven, it's a good movie, but like, it is what it is
Starting point is 01:06:19 um, speaking of it is what it is, there was this article floating around, The Verge did that a bunch of of other people have talked about, that I think I've got a video that should be out on now, some, probably, about, uh, Steam Deck questions and a possible Steam Deck, a possible Steam Controller 2. The Steam Deck may never be considered a stable console Don't care about that Easy to replace battery Band-Aid for a noisy fan Most of this is just nonsense I don't really care about Valve hopes the Steam Deck
Starting point is 01:06:58 Will inspire new Steam boxes But it probably won't build them itself Before the Steam Deck, there were Steam machines. Valve's failed attempt to bring your gaming PC into the living room by offering a gaming PC by offering gaming PC manufacturers a controller and early Linux support. Now,
Starting point is 01:07:17 the re- okay. The reason why the Steam machine failed isn't because, like, isn't because like isn't because no you know what the entire reason it failed is because valve did it at the wrong time if val okay the reason why the steam machine failed is because proton didn't exist when. If you forgot the timeline. The Steam machines came out like three years.
Starting point is 01:07:49 Before Proton existed. If you wanted to play. Like this wasn't long after. Steam coming to Linux. So there was basically. Nothing to play on. Besides a couple of indie games. And like a tiny couple. Of AAA games.
Starting point is 01:08:04 But I think a lot of them were like a little bit older as well that's the reason why it failed like i play all of my games on linux now with the exception of a couple of things i play on my ps4 besides those games yeah it just like you can play games on Linux now, you can just play games perfectly fine. If people were to build a Steam Machine-style system now, it, you know, it wouldn't actually go that badly. Um, Valve is still working on making the Deck SteamOS available for other manufacturers' PCs PCs and it hopes they'll carry on the torch once done I know there is the um the holo OS project which does make the steamOS usable on
Starting point is 01:08:56 Other things but valve never like officially got something released never like officially got something released um yeah so this is the way you run Steam Deck on things that are not a Steam OS on a thing that is not the Steam Deck because Valve still hasn't made it a general OS even though
Starting point is 01:09:18 they're not going to do so like a year ago or something um once it's widely available, not only are we excited to see other manufacturers making their own handheld PC gaming devices, we're excited to see people make their own SteamOS machines, which could include small PCs they put next to their TV,
Starting point is 01:09:36 says Yang. If you're not using a Steam Deck, should you use SteamOS? Is there anything SteamOS offers that makes sense on a non-Steam Deck system? I don't, I don't really know to be, I don't really think there is, like, if you installed, because all SteamOS really is, is a, installed, because all SteamOS really is, is a, it's a immutable version of Arch Linux. But if you wanted to game on something like, you know, Fedora Silverblue for example, your experience would be basically the same for a desktop system or using a a
Starting point is 01:10:27 non non immutable distro like a uh pop os or something like that I'm sure other manufacturers would other manufacturers use it that's the question
Starting point is 01:10:44 cause if like for just running it by yourself like you can just go manufacturers use it? That's the question. Because if... Like, for just running it by yourself, you can just go and use it. But if someone was selling a device, I don't know if Valve would end up charging licensing fees to call it SteamOS. Hmm. I'm not sure how that would go down.
Starting point is 01:11:04 I've not looked into their contracts or anything like that. We're doing our own experiments, but also love to see, I love to work with third parties, see what they would bring to the table as well. Yang adds, the Steam Deck dock might already be the missing link for those seeking a living room
Starting point is 01:11:23 game console, and he points out the work that Valve put into UIScale, I actually know, that's fair, that's fair, um, the, what's the compositor, GameScope, is that, I think that's the, that's the compositor they use on SteamOS, um, GameScope, is it, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, I was right, um, GameScope. Is it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, I was right. GameScope. This is the compositor they use. This might actually be the one benefit you get running SteamOS on a regular system.
Starting point is 01:11:58 However, you don't need to use SteamOS to have GameScope. So, yeah. Yeah. Like, it's just GameScope is just in the standard repos. Is it standard repos? Yeah, the standard repos on Arch Linux. So, that's not really the thing that matters. I can't think of any other reason why you'd want to do that
Starting point is 01:12:27 but here's another thing it's been known for a while that a second generation Steam Deck is probably going to exist there's not been public sales numbers on how the current Steam deck is done so far but there's estimations in the range of over a million units which definitely doesn't make it one of the best-selling consoles of all time but also doesn't make it a like you know flat out
Starting point is 01:13:00 failure um home console also there's been nothing confirmed. This is best selling game consoles, including handhelds. So, if it has sold a million ish units, like it's very low down the list, it would be
Starting point is 01:13:23 above the Atari Lynx, which, you know, isn't great, but for a first generation system, is not the worst, it could be worse, and also that's only if the numbers are accurate, and also the Steam Deck has not not it's not got worldwide sales and it's not got sales with uh as like just general buy so that that number doesn't have to like does really have to be taken with a giant grain of salt even if it is accurate like you can't judge small market sales based like against entire world sales and say hey look it didn't sell that well and it's just like well yeah but it's also it wasn't being sold in like Asia yet for example which Asia is a giant handheld market so I expect it to do pretty well there i would like it in australia as well please
Starting point is 01:14:27 fucking sell it in australia let me give you money um because i don't want to import it from like america or whatever um i could go and do that i've actually had people offer to like like they either they've got a steam deck or if i buy one they'd be willing to, like, send it to me, but I'm, I'm more than happy to wait, I just don't want to have to wait, I want to be able to just buy one, uh, but the, the thing I was getting to here, people have asked, like, they, they know a second generation Steam Deck's coming, the question is whether, like, a, a Steam Deck Pro, a Steam Deck Plus, or whatever you might want to call it. Like a, not a full generational hop, but you take what the Steam Deck is and then maybe give it a slightly better
Starting point is 01:15:17 CPU, maybe give it a slightly better screen, better sticks, or something like that. They've said, at least this specific engineer, Pierre-Lou Griffiths, who is one of the core guys in the Steam Deck
Starting point is 01:15:36 team, has said they don't want to do a pro. Right now, the fact that all Steam Decks can play the same games and that we have one target for users to understand what performance level to expect when you're playing
Starting point is 01:15:51 and for developers to understand what to target, there's a lot of value in having that one spec. I think we'll opt to keep the one performance level for a little bit longer and only look at changing the performance level when there is a significant gain to be had which i think is probably probably the best way to deal with it
Starting point is 01:16:12 like one of the nice things about you know gaming on a console at least prior to the PS4 generation, was you bought a console and you knew that everything you played on that console would perform in a certain way. Like, there's no, there's no, there's no guesswork there. If it's on the console and the game's not made by an idiot, it's going to perform in a certain way. Then when the PS4 generation came out, you had the PS4, the PS4 Pro, and that wasn't just like, you know, there's always been the slim additions of consoles. I don't know when the first time that happened was. I don't know if there was a slim PS1. It might have been the PS2 generation that started with,
Starting point is 01:17:06 I don't know if it happened on the Xbox side either, I don't think so, because there was the, the big fat PS2 and the PS2 Slim, I had the PS2 Slim, um, but that's not a fundamental performance performance change assuming that they didn't break the cooling which you know wasn't a guarantee um assuming that like the heart like the core cpu gpu all that fun stuff like that's the same it's just changing the form factor it's in because we can manufacture it better we can redesign it to fit in a smaller box that's pretty much always happened but it wasn't until the ps4 generation where you really got like basically two generations in one like the ps4 and the ps4 pro are completely separate systems like there are some games where on the PS4 they do 30 FPS, PS4 Pro they do 60
Starting point is 01:18:08 FPS. That is a night and day difference. Like, that goes from barely playable to functionally playable. Like, that's not the same console at that point. And that's probably...
Starting point is 01:18:23 I'm honestly surprised it hasn't continued. Wait, is there a difference on the Xbox side? Wait, no, actually, I was gonna say it hasn't continued, but the PS5 doesn't have that. It has the digital and non-digital, but doesn't the
Starting point is 01:18:39 Xbox have that with, like, the series... the series series? There's, like like a series S and series X um versus X performance but I'm pretty sure yeah
Starting point is 01:19:02 the X and the S have a lot in common, but which is for you? Performance. Yeah, so the S is the lower tier of the X. Right. But the PlayStation side hasn't done that. But the S and the X were there since the start of the generation if I recall correctly. I'm pretty sure they were announced together.
Starting point is 01:19:36 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm pretty sure that's the case. But I'm happy it hasn't happened on the PlayStation side at least just yet. And I think a big part of that is the fact that for quite a while now, you just haven't been able to buy one. Like, it's only fairly recently
Starting point is 01:19:52 where if I go to Amazon right now, I should just be able to buy one if I want to. Let's just double check. Uh... Yep, there are just PS5s for sale, which, if, if I was doing that, like, a year ago, that, like, I've been following this, uh, this Twitter account, there's, like, a Twitter account in basically every region for this, where it's, like, it tracks the tracks the um the availability of ps5s xboxes i pretty much that switch has always been like available to buy um and it will like alert you
Starting point is 01:20:34 when it's gone for sale and a year ago a lot of the time when those sales happened it would be sold out by the time you get to it. Like, it's there for five minutes, and it's completely sold out. But it's gotten to the point now where I can just go to Amazon, and it's just for sale. Like, I remember when I was looking a while back, and you'd go to, like, EB Games, for example, like, on their online store, which is GameStop in the US, and in the PS5 section,
Starting point is 01:21:06 there was not PS5s. Like, the PS5 section had PS5 games, but there wasn't an option to buy a PS5, because they just didn't sell them. They didn't have them, they didn't sell them. It just wasn't a thing you could do.
Starting point is 01:21:24 It's just... Ugh. like it just wasn't a thing you could do. It's just... Ugh. When did the PS5 come out? It's been so long since that came out. Came out... Release date? Like four years?
Starting point is 01:21:41 2020? Really? I thought it came out... I thought it was before that. Wait, wait, what is this? PS5, starting at $399, $499. That is the, um... That is the US... What is the Australian MSRP?
Starting point is 01:22:08 Australia MSRP. Uh, no, I don't want to know the current price. What did they announce it at? Because I think it was announced at, like, 600. Which I was already looking at being like, this is a lot. And then, you know, you go on from there and it's just like, well, fuck. What are you going to do? What are you going to do about it?
Starting point is 01:22:43 There is a PS5 on eBay. I don't know if I would buy a PS5 from eBay for 700. That seems like it's the cheapest right now. There are... Oh my god.
Starting point is 01:23:00 There are still people that are trying to flip PS5s on eBay. What the fuck? A lot of them are just selling at retail. Like, literally, they're not going crazy above anymore, which is good. Probably because you can just buy them new. Well, there's even one here that's...
Starting point is 01:23:24 Oh, this is bids, I'm not showing it, because that, my address is probably gonna appear on the screen, um, there's even one here at $400, but it's got, like, bids open, hmm, $600, most of them seem like, oh, mate, I'm going to show you a picture. You. I don't know if you legally own these. This looks like you're in a house. And you have eight PS5s here. Now. You say trusted seller. You have 73 ratings on eBay.
Starting point is 01:24:17 I don't know whether those are stolen or not, because I have a feeling they might be. I find it very sus that you have eight PS5s just in your kitchen. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. And it's the only thing you have for sale. Like, this isn't a, this isn't a, like, big seller. This is someone who's selling one thing right now. Hmm.
Starting point is 01:24:46 Really makes you think. And everything I'm seeing in here, like everything in the reviews, is about PS5s. I have a feeling they actually are getting them.
Starting point is 01:25:04 Oh, there's one in here about an Xbox. Oh, there's one in here about an Xbox. Okay, there's two in here about an Xbox. Hmm. All you do is sell consoles. New in box consoles. Hmm. Hmm. Box consoles.
Starting point is 01:25:29 Really makes you think. Oh, God. Look, it may be someone completely legit. However. However. I am also very aware that there are people that will steal stuff and will sell it. That actually reminds me of a thing I saw the other day. I was out getting Christmas presents for everyone, and where I was, the fire exit for one of the stores was near the exit of the actual shopping center. So this person had a trolley full
Starting point is 01:26:09 of toys and other stuff. Presumably it's like Christmas presents for their kids and other kids and all that. This person, firstly, they're stealing an entire trolley worth of stuff. So they're not exactly the brightest. They're also not very bright because of the way they went about this. Firstly, going through the fire exit sets with the alarm, so everybody pulled out their phone and started recording this person. Then, this is where it got extra dumb. Now, usually when you're, as someone who is well-versed in, I'm not well versed in stealing stuff, as someone who
Starting point is 01:26:47 has a functional brain if you're going to steal a trolley full of stuff I would recommend against putting your car in a spot where everybody can easily see your
Starting point is 01:27:03 number plate, preferably even cover your number plate. Like, temporarily cover it. Or use a- like, you can get number plate flippers. You can buy them on fucking Amazon. They're very illegal, but you can get them. So this person had their car parked at the first parking spot near the store okay so everybody who was recording this person who saw their face then pointed their phone at the number plate and at the car so i think like seven people got a very clear picture of this number plate
Starting point is 01:27:43 and they this person struggled to get everything in their car because their trolley was like completely full they were there for like maybe a minute and a half just trying to get shit in their car and eventually like the the workers from the store came out like oh shit stuff was stolen that their minimum wage workers they they wouldn't they weren't gonna like chase this person down but they'll oh no stuff stolen what will I do and everyone was standing there like here has his number plate well okay I guess we just send it to the police then. This person wasn't very bright. My recommendation,
Starting point is 01:28:28 park further away or use a number plate flipper or cover your number plates and cover, maybe cover your face. You know, when you're walking around the store, people will be able to work things out.
Starting point is 01:28:39 Maybe covering your face isn't the important part, but at least, at least cover your fucking number plate. Like, come on. Like, what are you doing, this is basic stuff, how, how are you this dumb, how do you, how do you put yourself in a position where everybody, like, this person will have had cops at their house an hour later, like, they've done such a bad job at stealing this stuff i don't know how they unless the car was stolen which is also a possibility if the car was stolen then maybe they actually
Starting point is 01:29:14 had a functioning brain but i i really doubt it i think this was just actually their car also they didn't have a driver. So, this person was shoving everything in the car and then had to start the car. Like, shuffle around, find their keys and start the car. Oh, man. The thieves that live around here
Starting point is 01:29:40 are not the brightest. Like, they need to learn from, like, you know, the San Francisco car thieves and postage thieves how to actually steal shit. Don't know what I'm talking about. Go watch the
Starting point is 01:29:54 most recent version of the Mark Rover... Mark Roba, not Roba. The Mark Roba Glitter Bomb, the 5.0 version, the upgraded to the absolute fucking extreme version, uh, which now has drones, it now has fucking drones, but I didn't know this, apparently San Francisco is like the, the car theft and car breaking capital of the world like it i it's kind of crazy i didn't know it was that bad there but when he was setting stuff up for this video people were stealing
Starting point is 01:30:35 shit within like 10 minutes like he just puts the box there and 10 minutes later someone's broken into the car already, like, what, what is going, like, how, how is it that bad, but those people were, like, you know, many of them were dumb, but at least a little bit brighter than these people, they were, like, you know, covering their face, wearing hoodies, wearing indiscriminate clothing, This person also was wearing like really obvious clothing. I think it was like a branded t-shirt as well. Like if you were asked to point this person out. You would spot it pretty much straight away. Maybe I don't want the thieves to be smart.
Starting point is 01:31:23 Maybe I don't. Because that would give me... If the thieves are dumb, it gives me content. Every... I see the world through the lens of content. Everything is content. We must... We must exploit...
Starting point is 01:31:37 Exploit every event that happens in our lives. But yeah, if you've not watched the new Mark Rober Glitter Bomb video, do go and do so. Or, you know, the way I watched it, which is like the way I watch pretty much like most of the content I watch at this point, which is I watch it through the form of a reaction video. In this case, a reaction video from Asmongold. I don't know why I just enjoy reaction videos. Maybe it's like, maybe I enjoy the parasocial nature of this conversation sort of thing. Like, you know, you can just watch the video. But if you watch the, if you watch a reaction, you've got this discussion from the creator.
Starting point is 01:32:24 And like, they're sort of saying things that you're saying. If they're a creator, you've got this discussion from the creator and like, they're sort of saying things that you're saying if they're a creator that you agree with in many ways I don't know also when you watch an Asmodee video or an Asmodee reaction video, you take like a regular, I think the Mark Rober thing was
Starting point is 01:32:40 18 minutes long and the Asmodee Gold version is oh, it's not that much longer, it's only 28 minutes 18 minutes long and at the Asmongold version is oh, it's not that much longer. It's only 28 minutes. Usually when there's a 20 minute video that Asmongold reacts to, it's like, ah hour long video.
Starting point is 01:32:57 So if you just have it on in the background, which is usually the way I'm doing stuff, not when I'm editing videos, but when I'm doing like thumbnails when I'm doing stuff, not when I'm editing videos, but when I'm doing like thumbnails, uh, when I'm doing some lightweight Japanese study, um, usually I'll just, or like, you know, doing something that's kind of monotonous in a game or something like that. Usually I have some sort of background, uh, background audio on, or especially when I'm like, uh, working out. background audio on, or especially when I'm like working out every morning, I generally,
Starting point is 01:33:34 unless I feel like crap in the morning, I will get on the bike for like 20 or 30 minutes. I usually do some kettlebell stuff as well. And I am not as much of a fucking, uh, I I'm not, you know, really hardcore like goggins where it's like the music will not the music will not exist when you actually need when you need to work you must fight through the fight through the pain without the music i i'm not gonna do that i'm just gonna listen to music i'm gonna listen to podcasts i going to watch an Aspen Gold reaction, because it makes it go by much faster. The cheat to doing stuff on the bike, and I actually think, I've not got a bike mount for my phone, but just listen to something entertaining. The real cheat is watch a movie. If you watch a movie when you're on a bike you will not pay any attention to being on the bike you could like you know go at a good pace like not a slow obviously you're going slow
Starting point is 01:34:32 like that's another thing but going at a good pace you'll just not even realize that like half an hour an hour has gone by and you'll be just drenched in sweat. I wanted to get myself into a reasonably good shape before summer happened. That didn't happen. I'm definitely in a better shape than I was. The best shape I was in was... Okay, best shape weight-wise was when I was doing keto, but I also wasn't working out as much. So I was skinny back then, but I felt like maybe I was too skinny back then. I'd never been in a position where I was overweight or anything, so that's never been a concern for me.
Starting point is 01:35:21 where I was like overweight or anything. So that's never been a concern for me. But I would like to be like, you know, more shredded. Not like Liver King doing $10,000 of testosterone, human growth hormone, a bunch of other shit. Not that level of shredded. Not the rock level of shredded where you're doing probably just as much. Um, normal person, physically active, working out every day sort of,
Starting point is 01:35:53 sort of Shredded. Especially when I'm in my 20s. Because if I get that when I'm, when I'm young, maintaining that as I get older is going to be much easier than, you know, I, I have a lot of older family members who, as the years go by, and you probably have seen much of the same, as the years go by, they let their weight go, and eventually in their 50s, they're like, oh my god, I'm fat now, what do I do about this, and once you've gotten to that point, like, getting back to a, back to a healthy point is much harder than just maintaining a healthy point, and that's pretty much where, like, also, I just, I just feel better working out every day, like, when I don't get a at least at a bare minimum at least get like a long walk in in the morning I I feel awful throughout the
Starting point is 01:36:54 day like if I go do a set of four videos for example and I haven't just thrashed the bike and done some kettlebell stuff, it gets to that third or fourth video and I'm like, oh, why am I doing this? Why am I making videos on the internet? It's so difficult. Because I haven't done anything difficult that day. Like, give yourself a fucking difficult workout in the morning, make it harder than anything else you're going to do throughout the day and everything else is going to be easy. Like if you've got, you know, a big presentation, you've got fucking a bunch of videos to make, you got a big interview. If you beat the shit out of yourself in the morning, whatever else you've got going on for the rest of the day is gonna be so much easier, like, there's,
Starting point is 01:37:48 nothing is going to be harder on you than how hard you can go on yourself if you, if you are really trying to, like, really trying to get, like, push yourself with it, not, like, push yourself to the point of hurting, like, that's, that's not a useful, like, that's not a useful way to handle it, but, like, don't just go light on the bike, like, oh, we're going for a pleasant, a pleasant stroll, it's like, no, I'm gonna fucking sprint, and we're gonna be in a pool of water, we're gonna be in a pool of sweat, and when I get off this bike, of sweat and when I get off this bike if I touch anything it will just be moist great word it'll just be covered in sweat like that's that's the the way I want to start my day then I jump this is this is not like haha me I'm getting a fucking cold shower I actually do just like when I jump
Starting point is 01:38:41 in the shower I just I have the cold water on, like, at the start, it's not that bad, you get used to it, um, I'm not the sort of person where it's like, have a cold shower, but I, I feel like having, like, if I'm not already awake after the bike, there's some days where it's like, you know, I don't go as hard, but if you, like, if you jump into a shower when it's cold, that will wake you up. Turn the hot water on after that, but that, like, first hit of cold, that will wake you up if you're not already awake, especially if it's on your back, like, I find that on my stomach and my chest area, like, it doesn't feel as cold, but for some reason, maybe it's, like, especially after the bike, like you sweat it, like most of the sweat is going down your back.
Starting point is 01:39:32 Maybe that's why, like if you have that cold water hit there, it's like, okay, I'm awake. Okay, sure. Let's go. Because I'm not a, I'm not a caffeine drinker in the morning. I'm not a major caffeine drinker anyway. Now, I do drink iced coffees, like, probably too much. I don't have them in the morning, though. Usually, if I have one, it's, like, in the afternoon.
Starting point is 01:39:54 And I don't have one every day. It'll be, like, maybe once or twice a week. The most caffeine I get is from drinking tea, but the amount of caffeine you get from tea is considerably lower than, you know, like a fucking espresso, double espresso, fucking triple espresso! I think this is a... Yeah, this is like basically a double espresso equivalent.
Starting point is 01:40:15 Also full of lots of sugar. It's really bad. Like, these are horrible for you, but they are delicious, so I keep drinking them. Yeah, I used to be a really big coffee drinker um i would have maybe on a slow day five cups on a on a day where i'm getting a lot of shit done it'd be like seven or eight cups of coffee in a day and when I stopped drinking coffee The first thing I noticed probably after the shakes stopped
Starting point is 01:40:52 Yeah after the shake stopped and after I actually like felt Good again what I realized is holy shit I I have been like absolute like you forget that caffeine is a stimulant after you are drinking that much caffeine and when you stop taking a stimulant you're like oh my god wow this is what it's like to be chill huh wow I like this I get why a lot of people drink a lot of coffee
Starting point is 01:41:30 like it makes sense you gotta if you've got a really fast paced day and all that but I think if one thing I think you should probably avoid is energy drinks like my housemate drinks a lot of them.
Starting point is 01:41:46 Like, I think he's cut back on them now, but used to be, like, two or three mothers or rock stars or whatever a day. It's like, that's a bit much. That's definitely a bit much. Speaking of someone who used to drink a lot of coffee, like, that's a bit much. But I know some people who drink
Starting point is 01:42:05 them like their water and like when i was in high school there were like there are kids that will just drink mothers and drink rock stars and drink monsters like you're a you're a 15 year old why do you need an energy drink you have more energy than you will have at any other point in your life you don't need more of it just calm down don't drink that you'll be fine drink something else anything else maybe not anything else but not the fucking monster. I've said it before, maybe it's not a popular opinion. I think any drink should be treated the same way that
Starting point is 01:42:52 alcohol is treated and the way that cigarettes are treated. You shouldn't be able to buy them until you're 18. A 21's dumb. America's weird. I don't know why Americans are like, let's make the drinking age 21, but we can go fight in war at dumb. America's weird. I don't know why Americans are like, let's make the drinking age 21, but we can go fight in war at 18.
Starting point is 01:43:07 Someone's going to give me shit for that. I think your drinking age is stupid. I think the drinking age in Australia is stupid as well because most people drink when they're way younger than 18, but it is what it is. I think my first drink... Okay, first drink I actually finished because I did steal my dad's beer as, like, a toddler.
Starting point is 01:43:25 Because he just left it on the table. And toddlers like to steal things. My first drink I actually finished, I was, like, 12 or something. And then, like, you know, have an occasional drink every so often from then. But, like, the 21 thing... I've never understood the 21 drinking age. Like, that's just weird to me. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but is there anything else in America where it's 21?
Starting point is 01:43:52 Because I know it's not 21 to join the military. It's not 21, is it not? Actually, what's the age for cigarettes? United States cigarettes. United States cigarettes. Purchase age. Is it 18? Okay, no, it is 20.
Starting point is 01:44:19 Okay, it's 21 for tobacco as well. Okay, I was going to say if it was... Is it different state? Actually, it might be different state by state. Okay. Okay, so the United States is 21, but Canada is sensible to 18. Why... What the fuck?
Starting point is 01:44:38 Some parts of Canada, it's 19? Canada's a weird place. Canada is a very weird place. Why did we get here? I don't remember. I need a guy that just remembers stuff for me. I need a Jamie. At some point if the podcast actually does well,
Starting point is 01:44:56 I'm going to hire a Jamie that handles all of the, like, you know, bringing up topics and fucking remembering shit for me that I'm gonna forget. Why did I get here? Drinking age, cigarettes. I don't remember. Something about America being dumb. Yeah, that sounds like something I'd talk about. I don't know. I don't know how I got there but yeah yeah
Starting point is 01:45:31 I have talked about nothing this episode literally nothing I think I've talked about four topics on this list so far this sometimes happens like sometimes I will... I will get these things planned out,
Starting point is 01:45:49 like, I want to talk about this, I want to talk about that, and then I just get on tangents about something else that happens and just talk about anything else. The topics are usually here just as, like, you know, conversation starters, conversation revivers. But when these tangents happen, I can speak for an hour 45, apparently, about anything else that's not even related to anything on this list. anything, anything else that's not even related to anything on this list. But it kind of works out because this episode is going to be,
Starting point is 01:46:30 it's not going to be a timely episode, so it kind of makes sense to not focus heavily on topical things. But I guess this one, it's so untopical that we can talk about it. so untopical that we can talk about it. The WL Roots based XFC, XWFM for Weyland code taking ship. That is such a mess to say. XFC
Starting point is 01:46:54 is slowly getting to the point where it's possibly going to have a Weyland version. The other two major DEs, Gnome and KDE, they've had Wayland versions for a very long time, but the XFCE side
Starting point is 01:47:10 has been much smaller. XFCE has always been a much smaller desktop anyway, because its purpose is sort of being the desktop environment for the older hardware. Generally, generally, it's not like the... It's not your first
Starting point is 01:47:26 choice. Someone who loves Exorcise will be like, Exorcise was my first choice. It's so great. And that's fine. If it's your first choice, go and enjoy it. But for most other people, it's not. They did have a
Starting point is 01:47:41 earlier version called... Where is the name, where is the name, things like XFWay or something, XFWay, okay, is this, is this actually a different article than I originally had, did I find two articles in the same, like, day from Phoronix about two different things, articles in the same like day from Pharonix about two different things. XFWay, give me a second. It is XFWay. Here we go. So this is their old thing they were making. It's not a part of XFC. It's just an experimental thing. This was going to be a libwestern based compositor. This was made back before except... Sorry, before WRoot
Starting point is 01:48:27 had taken root as much as it had. So it sort of made sense to build it directly off of the reference compositor. But they're actually making a new version because that old version
Starting point is 01:48:43 is basically dead. It didn't ever really go anywhere. Hadn't really been fully developed. But there is this... Yeah, this is a different article. What the fuck? They wrote two articles about the same thing within like a day or two. Foronix covers literally everything. This is why I love Foronix.
Starting point is 01:49:02 But they have a new version called XFWM4- Weyland, which is not a great name either. Is this the old version? Oh, this is the one they talked about. Ah, this is the one that this is the original article I saw. The new one is called
Starting point is 01:49:23 XFWM4-Weland, uh, it's got no description, website, topic, it's got no, nothing about the about section, it's got, oh, it's got to read me, um, but this is the new version, so this is a Weyland, uh, so this is the WL Roots, WL Root version of XFCE. There was discussion, I know there was this roadmap for XFCE on Weyland
Starting point is 01:49:50 that hadn't really gone anywhere. It's still like there is some changes happening here and there. It's mainly just about brainstorming ideas. But the question was mainly around whether to use MUTTA or use WROOTS. It seems like they have agreed upon WROOTS. Now,
Starting point is 01:50:14 this is the direction they're going to be going forward. And it makes sense because MUTTA is what is GNOME's compositor. And Gnome being Gnome, it doesn't really make any sense to build something on their tools because Gnome only cares pretty much about what Gnome's doing. Like, they're not trying to build this general compositor base. They're trying to build Gnome. And that's fair. It makes sense.
Starting point is 01:50:44 That's what you're trying to build GNOME, and that, that's fair, like, it makes sense, like, that's, that's what you're trying to do, um, but, yeah, uh, I'm interested to see where this goes, because there is gonna come a point, it may not be a point, like, you know, anytime soon, like in the next five, maybe in the next five years, I would say. But there is gonna come a point, maybe like ten or so years from now, where X.org is
Starting point is 01:51:17 legitimately going to be on the way out. And some people don't like to hear that, but it's kind of the truth EXOR does still have some value over on the BSD side but even over there there is efforts to port Wayland over and to get Wayland compositors working over there and in some cases I think on I want I want to say, free open, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna say free BSD, and I'm gonna be wrong, um, free BSD Weyland, um, uh, maybe, Okay, there was some effort on FreeBSD, but I know there was a working compositor on one of them.
Starting point is 01:52:08 Maybe it was OpenBSD. No, it was FreeBSD. Um, Hikari. The Hikari compositor. Because we're weebs, and we have to name things with Japanese names. It's OpenBSD. Where there's not really.
Starting point is 01:52:30 Much going on there. But this is functional right now. You can go and use this on FreeBSD. I don't know if it's any good. But it is a thing that exists. It is a stacking whaling compositor. So it's a. It is a floating.
Starting point is 01:52:44 It is a floating window manager compositor, so it's a, uh, it is a floating, it is a floating window manager, which, eh, eh, oh no, it does, it does tiling, okay, it does tile, but it calls itself stacking, wouldn't that, gen, maybe it's, it's primarily stacking
Starting point is 01:53:00 but has some tiling aspects, mmm, that seems to be the thing they're going for. But yeah, there's going to come a time where we pretty much just move on from Exorg. And I want these things that have been around for a long time to keep living on. And moving over to Weyland
Starting point is 01:53:24 is pretty much the only way that's gonna happen. Some people think I am like a Weyland shill and that you know I don't know I guess I'm trying to push Weyland that's I'm not pushing Weyland like Weyland's already being pushed by the developers, I'm just here to tell you, I guess in some way you could say I'm pushing Wayland but I'm more trying to explain the state that it's in
Starting point is 01:53:53 and give you a good understanding of what's actually going on, because there is a lot of really bad and really outdated information about the state that Weyland's in, what works, what doesn't work. And someone has to be here to be covering a lot of this stuff. There are specific, like there are
Starting point is 01:54:18 people covering specific things like, um, Niccolo does a great job covering KDE stuff, for example, Babywog does a great stuff covering GNOME stuff, but as, like, a general landscape, I'm pretty much the only one that's doing that at a, at any sort of, at any sort of scale. There are probably smaller channels that I've not run across, um, but I want to make sure that people have a good understanding of what's actually going on. And I want to be... I forgot this was here. I got freaked out for just a second.
Starting point is 01:54:57 I want Weyland to be good because I know it's going to be the future. And when I say it's the future, that does not mean it is the present. I actually going to be the future. And when I say it's the future, that does not mean it is the present. I actually mean it is the future. 10 years probably, it will be, unless something else comes along, there's no shot that development is moving back to X.Org. So unless something else comes along,
Starting point is 01:55:21 Weyland is pretty much the only bet that we have. All the development effort is behind Weyland, so I don't see any reason to try to, like, change that current somewhere else. There are some other, like, little things, like Arkan, for example, but there is no momentum behind it. Like, not even the Arkan supporters support Arkan enough to actually have any momentum behind it. Like, not even the Arkans supporters support Arkan enough to actually have any momentum behind it. Weyland is where it's at, and, you know, kind of is what it is.
Starting point is 01:55:54 Um, we've got like four minutes left. Is there anything else I want to talk about on here before we end off the show? Um, I guess we'll mention a couple of things, a couple of
Starting point is 01:56:12 quick things that you may have heard about already. Uh, Epic has been fined nearly $800 million over Fortnite's microtransaction and privacy practices. So the, one of the main folks is on here. Actually actually I wonder if this says the
Starting point is 01:56:28 full set of things. FTC alleged Epic violated the COPPA rule by collecting personal information from children under 13 who played Fortnite without notifying their parents or obtaining their parents' consent
Starting point is 01:56:45 and enabled real-time voice and text chat communications for children and teens by default. So basically having, like, online communications for people who are under 13, which, you know, are the FTC and the copper rule and I'll be a fan of. The other big one is FTC alleged that epic used dark patterns to trick players into making unwanted purchases and let children rack up unauthorized charges without any parental involvement that's based around the use of um the use of vbucks and the the predatory way that they are priced the predatory way that they are sort of an abstraction of money i've said before i don't hate the idea of in-game currency but i don't like it when you have these
Starting point is 01:57:37 weird abstracted hey you can buy this thing costs let's say, a thousand and fifty V-Bucks, and you can buy in, you can buy 300, you can buy 500, you can buy, uh, you know, 750 or whatever, uh, no, you can buy 700, but you can never get exactly the amount you need? You can buy 700, but you can never get exactly the amount you need. This, I feel, is predatory. And the FTC agrees here. Also, a bunch of gamers are joining together to try to stop the Microsoft Activision deal. It's 10 people who are trying to stop it. So whether they can do anything, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:58:25 But I know there are some other... The FTC also isn't a big fan of it either. Yeah. I don't know whether this deal is actually going to happen. The main issue here is there is concerns that microsoft is gonna stop the uh the release of call of duty on the uh the the playstation on the sony systems i don't know whether they'll do that that feels like a way to just throw money like into a into like in the hole and just throw away any potential sales
Starting point is 01:59:06 but there is a possibility there and there's also the concern that microsoft just owns a lot of companies at this point like buying buying activision you get activision, Blizzard and King and all of the subsidiaries that those own like Toys for Bob for example the guys who did the new Spyro reboot and the Crash Bandicoot reboot and like a bunch of these other
Starting point is 01:59:38 smaller studios where you don't really think they are involved with Activision or Microsoft all just joined together there is this joining together there is this concern that there is this a this monopolization of the of the gaming industry I think it's very it's interesting to see where this is going to go I don't know if the deal is going to happen I don't really have a horse in this race but I'm definitely gonna keep an eye on it, and, uh, you know, we'll, we'll talk about it, regardless of which way it actually goes, so, yeah, that's pretty much going to be it for me,
Starting point is 02:00:15 I have to go and, uh, clean the house before my parents get here, so that the house is clean, and my mum doesn't just run around all day trying to clean it. Because she will do that if I let her. Ah yeah. So. Go watch the main channel. Brody Robertson. I do Linux videos 6-ish days a week. Ah.
Starting point is 02:00:37 I don't know what's going to be on the channel right now. Because this is coming out in like 2 weeks. Um. The gaming channel is Brody on Games. Possibly we have not wiped in the run that Ren and I are doing in Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire. So that might still be going, but it also might have been reset. That's a possibility as well. And I'd probably still be playing Kingdom Hearts three three five out of two days i should be getting like maybe like three quarters of the way through but i'm not sure
Starting point is 02:01:10 and this channel if you are watching on the youtubes there is an audio version tech over t you can find that basically anywhere anywhere you can find an audio podcast. And then if you're listening to the audio, the video version is available on YouTube. If you've not seen it yet, go watch the EG episode that came out last week, like last week for you guys, not last week for me.
Starting point is 02:01:39 I actually just recorded that one like a couple of days ago. It was a really good episode. We talked about like open source games and games we'd played in that sort of category and opinions we had on them, and he mentioned a lot of games I'd not really heard of before, so go check that out if you care at all about gaming and at all about open sourcing. We want to combine
Starting point is 02:01:56 the two together. So, yeah. That's gonna be it for me, and I think that's pretty much everything then. So, enjoy your day enjoy your night enjoy I hope you enjoyed your new years and your Christmas and next week there should be some exciting episodes coming out so yeah that's gonna be it for me and I'm out. I don't know if you heard that. You know, I'm going to turn it up. If I turn this up... I'm out.
Starting point is 02:02:31 I was concerned you'd be able to hear my fan, which I do have going right now, because it's hot in here, because it's Australia, and it's summer in December. It is... What is the temperature right now? It is current...
Starting point is 02:02:44 Fuck off, it's 25 Celsius. No, it's not. Oh, no, no. No, it's not 25. This room is like 32 minimum. Anyway, I'm gonna go. Enjoy your day. Peace out.
Starting point is 02:02:55 And, uh... Bye-bye.

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