Tech Over Tea - Everything To Know About Linux | SavvyNik

Episode Date: November 22, 2024

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Good morning, good day, and good evening. I am, as always, your host, Brodie Robertson. And I almost forgot when we were going to be recording this, but it happened anyway. So, welcome to the show, Savvy Nick. You may know him from his YouTube channel. Uh, he's done quite a few videos. He's been doing YouTube, I think, I think about as long as I have, actually. Maybe a little bit shorter? Um, but yeah, you do Linux videos, and uh, yeah, how about you introduce yourself? Yeah, hey, I'm Savvy Nick, and uh, thanks for having me on here, Brody. Um, yeah, I've been doing YouTube about five years, uh, and kind of started on a whim.

I saw that there was quite a bit of missing tutorials specifically in like the server space of Linux and I do it on on the job a lot. So figured I could add that little Tidbit to YouTube and I just started recording videos and have been doing ever since I think I got like over 600 650 videos at this point I don't like looking at my channel cuz I have to learn daily. Oh My gosh, I did that for a while Brody and I don't like looking at them on my channel because i upload daily oh my gosh i did that for a while brody and i don't know how you do it i see it and i see how much content you pop out what was that bulk recording is how i do it bulk okay so you like do it one session you just like

do a ton of them yeah i do one planning session one two recording sessions and then edit after that no man unless something is like really crucial and then i edit it like as like straight away sure it makes sense yeah i used to do that i mean if you like look way back in in time i used to do it very similar to you kind of like the bulk thing right because i would think of like six topics i could talk about you know and easily record in a tutorial type style video knock them all out in one day and then about you know and easily record in a tutorial type style video knock them all out in one day and then just you know edit it a different day and stuff like that but i got tired of that very quickly right i guess it sort of depends on what you're trying to do

right like tutorial stuff i can see getting boring like pretty quickly if you're doing that but because now i do a lot more like news stuff there's always just something weird happening like usually you know a lot of the time it'll be some like pretty normal stuff like hey there's some drama in like the whalen project or hey there's this uh one example that someone just sent me today that i am probably going to do a video on is uh proton mail bridge they depend on qt yeah but someone realized the package broke on arch when they updated from 6.7 to 6.8 because it depends on qt 6.4 which has been eol for a year now like you'll see stuff like that show up as well and then there's like you you'll have like some

company that does like something crazy like um i don't know if you've seen it but there's been this blog post going around from a company called malibu called don't support the core boot project where due to three bad interactions with some core boot developers, they decide to ban like five different countries from their shipping regions and stuff like this. I don't get bored with it. It's just always ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah.

And I think that's helped me to at least stay with it. Cause you know, I mean, I have a job during the day, so that's kind of why I had to cut back on the videos. Right. Right. But,

um, uh, yeah, the new stuff really helps. And it's it is wild. And I feel like the personally, I feel like the community has gotten a little more open to kind of listening to the news of Linux in the last few years. You know, it's it's not that it's become more drama filled. It's just I think people have opened themselves up to kind of exploring Linux and and hearing about the news, because I remember trying that at the beginning and it was really hard.

I just couldn't get many people to follow. But the tutorials were always where, you know, people would come back. And I don't know about your videos, but, you know, the news cycle type videos that I do, those are kind of hit hard and fast, you know, and they trickle out pretty quick. But like the tutorial style videos i mean i have well i think ubuntu like 20.04 or 22.04 one of the two i mean that one's gotten like 600 000 views and it just keeps chugging along and it's just funny that all the little all the weird intricacies of the linux world yeah there's a dual boot one you have here from two years ago with 674 000 yeah there's a step-by-step guide

for 2204 which is 266 and yeah i see i see what you mean here yeah those are the ones that end up going to the top it's kind of funny i mean it takes years that one i think i mean you know took over two years to do but um it's it's quite interesting in our kind of you know space how how you have tutorial videos and then you have the drama slash news i like to call it um but i i personally nowadays the news is really taking over yeah i i do have a lot of tutorial videos that i have made in the past and some of those are like at the absolute top like one that is not a good video but because there was just so little content on it um setting up multi monitors with x render that i think is like second or third top video at the top the absolute top one i'm pretty sure is from the um the ltt

linux challenge which you know that's a special kind of news video. That one still gets used today because, you know, the LTT video still gets used today. But most things, you know, are not going to be, are not going to survive like that. Oh, no. So top one is, top one is an LTT Atlas OS video. I thought the other one was higher. Then the second one, the second one is a uh ltt atlas os video i thought the other one was higher than the second one

the second one is like it's it's news but it's also historical news i find the historical videos also sort of act the same way as tutorial stuff where people always go back to you know the history of wayland or the history of x11 because it's not timely in the same way um my second top video is the can't print on tuesday bug if you know about that one can't uh i think i did watch this one i can't remember quite what it was about there was an issue with the um it wasn't with the cups but it was with i think file um when it was trying to detect if a file was a postscript file if it had a certain string in it it detected it as a different kind of file, but that...

Oh, no, I think it was parsing maybe the date string weirdly, and any Tuesday, it was detecting it as a different type of file instead of a PostScript file, leading to those prints breaking only when the PostScript file was generated on a tuesday wow that's so intricate but this is a bug from like 10 years ago right so like it hasn't got that same timely you know that timely timeliness yeah timeliness to it yeah well speaking of

timeliness what about uh the real time kernel patch um becoming you know well added directly into the kernel now instead of having to patch it from source yourself um i i think you've yeah you have a couple videos on that i think yeah i did make video on that one because i i heard about the real-time kernel stuff like a while back but i never actually bothered to like talk about it so i sure there's there's a lot of these topics where you know you'll hear about them and you're like okay i want to like especially if it's like a big topic i'm sure you feel like this about because you've uploaded like a a four hour tutorial on was it c++ recently correct yeah yeah i'm sure you you think about that topic you're okay, I want to do this, but there's a lot that goes into it.

Yes. Yes. And that's exactly it. One of the things that, um, well, I find interesting about the YouTube ecosystem in general is, um, the, how much you really have to stay within your niche, because, you know, I, I personally have a lot of interest when it niche because, you know, I personally have a lot of interest when it comes to, you know, computing in general, right. From programming, engineering to Linux, you know, all sorts of other things in between as well. But I've found that without, you know, focusing on it, on focusing on, let's say, you know, Linux as a niche, as soon as I start venturing out to things like C, C++, if I'm not tying

it back into Linux, it just doesn't perform at all. And it's not that I necessarily care for it to perform. It's that the message from the channel is really to just get more people into Linux and just get Linux in the hands of people.

And since it kind of doing a C++ dev on linux erodes that user base it kind of it pushes me away from even doing it so that's one thing i wish that youtube would uh improve on but you know i kind of back on the real-time kernel why i want to talk about that briefly is um i spent about six months uh when i was this was probably like seven eight years ago um really diving deep into the real-time linux kernel and specifically when it was just you know patching the kernel to become real-time and then you know trying to use it as a real-time and what i you know learned over those six months was how, um,

how there's really two like versions of we'll call it real time Linux. Um, well not real time Linux, real time. So there's a soft and a hard real time. I'm not sure if you're aware of it or not, but, um, hard real time is something extremely predictable. I mean, the system completely fails if it's not hard real time versus soft real time. Um, it wants to remain predictable, but if there are other processes that kind of get in the mix and Try to preempt something it is possible that they don't actually preempt whatever process is happening and then you and Then you are actually not running real-time basically so again soft hard real-time and

What I learned from you you know, about six months of doing work on Linux is that it's software all time. And I could not use it for my industrial processes that I was trying to use it for. So I spent, I don't know how many hours glued to these books, you know, on hardware programming and, you know, real time programming and real time operating systems. And I'm trying to get this damn thing to work. And it was such a failure. I mean, it was the biggest failure I've ever had.

My boss is just like, what's taking so long? I'm like, I don't know. It says it's, you know, hard real-time. Although there was barely any, you know, documentation on it in the past. But, you know, I'm'm like i'm trying and i'm i'm running the hardware and i'm running my io and it's coming out and i got an oscilloscope hooked up and whatnot and i'm just looking at this and nothing's making sense and then finally one day i just learned i'm like i know what the problem is here it's soft real time so it's one

of those uh things that i i i really love love Linux because you get to learn stuff like that. I got so deep in the kernel for that time. And it was one of the reasons, and that's kind of why I brought it up, is why I love Linux so much is I've spent intimate time with it. But anyways, I saw Realt-time kernel popping up again and um i uh i made a video not too long ago i think on the real-time kernel and trying to explain that same thing that i'm trying to explain now but um it's it's a crazy world that uh we live in as far as linux goes i love it well by linux being open source and by a lot of the software we run being open source,

it gives you the opportunity to actually dig into it. And if something is not behaving in a way that you would expect it to, you can actually go and find that out. Like, you know, if you're dealing with something weird happening on Windows, you can see what documentation they have. You can throw input at it and see what output comes out,

but you can't really dig into what it's doing internally to really know exactly how things are working. So, if something is weird, you kind of just have to accept that it's weird and just deal with it. Yep. And that, you bring that point perfectly home because, you know, that's the reason I do all my dev on Linux is specifically that. I mean, you know, it's just so much easier to get into the system and you figure out that you're not sandboxed. I mean, on every other system, you're sandboxed.

You know, you got your little toys and you're in the sand and you're playing with them and nothing outside of that's going to, you know, influence you. But here you can just get in and do whatever you want. So yeah, no, that's a good point. This isn't like a value add to everyone, sure. But like if you're, if you are someone in that development space, especially when you're doing some of this really high-end development or very niche specialized development, where you need a system to behave in a very specific way,

niche, specialized development, where you need a system to behave in a very specific way, having that level of freedom can actually make a lot of sense. Now, it could also make a lot of sense to have a system that is proprietary, but is just built from the ground up for use cases like that. So it's not necessarily that Linux is the only thing that can do this, but at least in those cases where you do want to change things, doing so with something that is completely open is a lot easier to do. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. So what is your actual history with Linux?

Like, when did you start using Linux? What distro did you start with? And, yeah, we'll go from there. Sure, I'm kind of boring when it comes to that, to be honest. Is it going to be Mint? I started... No, it's Ubuntu. Okay, okay.

Yeah, Ubuntu, and specifically oh man probably like shoot 15 16 years old um it's been a while um and uh it was really just getting dabbling into some like private servers do you remember which version of ubuntu uh let's see if you want to age yourself yeah i'm trying to think it's probably like 10 okay is that right yeah it was pretty early on i don't know ubuntu 8048 probably 804 okay okay very early on um and let me see what that one's called is that hardy hardy heron okay yeah that would have been it that that looks very familiar yep um anyways uh where was i oh yeah uh servers. So I got involved in private servers. Uh, there was this game I was obsessed with when I was a, you know, a child.

And, uh, I, I tried hosting my own private server, realized that, uh, it wasn't happening on a windows. So I just kept chugging along. It was painful, but I figured out how to get it over ported to Linux. And then I started running it with my friends. And ever since then I knew about it and then there was kind of a I want to say a period of um we'll call it divorce um where I uh I didn't use Linux at all um I went back to Windows I was in college a lot of my school uh

programs and uh in engineering uh required uh well having a windows computer because of the software yeah but uh eventually i came back and did like a minor in computer science um and one of my professors really goofy guy loved linux i mean obsessed and the first thing he taught us was how to use vi for whatever reason um he's just like we have these servers in house and they run Linux and we're going to use VI. And then he just tortured us for like, I don't know, three weeks. And I'm like,

I'm not learning anything about computer science here, but whatever. I'm learning how to use a text editor. And eventually I just got obsessed with it and started installing it on my own, you know, on virtual machines and then, you know, dual booting and just moving on from that and then you know over the years i've

experimented with you name it i've tried it you know what i mean like specifically now i'm running still ubuntu again i'm very plain but uh on the side i have like um my other my other distro is arch linux with uh um exvara x it's x nomads or sorry it's x it's x monad but it's uh ex exvara's uh dot files oh okay i did a video on this and it's they're absolutely beautiful um i can send you a link of course but uh i can even pull it up if you want uh oh a x a v a r v a okay i found them a x a r v a xvara and it it is beautiful i've always loved this i've i've had it for shoot four years now or something like that just running in the background I did a video on it too so if anyone wants to install

it I mean I do it from scratch I start from installing Arch to you know the manual way to putting the.files on to getting everything ready the only thing is it kind of stopped development so not all resolutions are supported on it that kind of sucks but if you not all resolutions are supported on it. That kind of sucks.

But if you have 1920x1080, you're good to go. Yeah, don't use anything besides that. Don't go above 1080p. I've had this discussion before, but I genuinely hate... Unless you need scaling for the sake of accessibility just don't bother with scaling at all i'm 100 with you i am again just very simple i two 1920 by 1080 monitors. They're probably, what, 20 or 21 inch. Oh, small ones. Yeah, small ones.

I don't need anything large. And what else? I mean, my computer right now, the main one I'm using, I got a couple of them just hanging around on a little server or whatever, but the main one I'm using is, I think it's got a 1660 Super in it nvidia and it's got a terabyte and it's an amd ryzen 3700x i think okay i'm not even sure anymore it's been forever since i've opened it up so i custom built that one and then i just used it for the last

five or six years um and what i'm what i'm very interested in i just ran a couple pulls back to back in the last couple days and i don't know how often you do that on your channel uh but not super often but i do i think you should try brody you get some wild like insights into just the world of well not only linux but like computers and the people who are listening to you right i have done ones in the past about like you know wayland usage and things like that but i haven't done any like any like really recently okay so the recent ones i've done were on just like little goofy things so like how much storage space does your system have and it is wild how many people have over like two terabytes of of storage space it blows my mind none of i don't

have a single computer in here that has over a terabyte i was like blown away 38 of people have over two terabytes well and i told them a let me let me just go with that i'm just going to check how much drive prices are sure um and the the i started like looking scanning through the comments because i love reading the comments um there's so many people with like over 10 terabytes just hanging out on their computer those are not normal people i'm like how many of you guys have that's like 10 terabytes 72 terabytes. I mean like just insane amount of storage space and Then previously to that there was a lot of people with 14, which is really weird to know how they got 14 but um before that one I got even more responses on the RAM and

What what do you think is like you know the the highest well i already i've actually you already looked at it yeah yeah okay okay um so i mean 16 gigs which i i kind of knew right yeah it makes sense yeah that makes sense that's still that's still the recommendation like amongst like gaming audiences so. So that would make sense. Yeah. And anytime I look at the Steam survey, it's always like 16's kind of taking the cake. But 32 gigs is right behind it at 33%. That blew my mind.

I think is due to the um move the move into ddr5 uh 32 is basically becoming like the new baseline of like the minimum they'll even give you without like going out intentionally going and finding less i didn't know that yeah it's it's something you probably wouldn't have noticed unless you actually were looking at pc hardware like recently um i i've been like in the market to upgrade my system otherwise i wouldn't have known that as well oh gotcha so what are you getting then uh let's pull the beans i'm probably gonna upgrade to like a 7800 x3d or whatever it is uh the the generation before the new generation coming out of AMD CPUs. Yeah, yeah.

My GPU's fine. I've recently bought a new one, a 6750XT. But I'm currently running a 3600X. So upgrading my CPU is going to involve a motherboard CPU and RAM upgrade. Oh, wow. So it's going to be a bit. It's going to be a bit. It's going to be a bit.

It's going to be a bit. It's going to be a bit. It's going to be a bit. It's going to be a bit. It's going to be a bit. It's going to be a bit. It's going to be a bit. be it's gonna be a bit all well at least you're gonna have a powerhouse that's freaking awesome yeah um as for as for

drive prices uh if you just want to go mechanical hard drives this is australian pricing so us pricing is like uh like more no it's it's us pricing is a lower number so like 75 of this um so a four terabyte mechanical hard drive is 169 so like 120 130 ish us um uh if you want to go nvme uh 159 for a two terabyte ssd jeez it's gotten cheap oh wow yeah i didn't realize that again it's been like six years since i've touched uh a new computer funny enough the last computer i bought uh i specifically looked for for the same exact setup that i had. Cause I was

like, I know it works. I don't have to change anything. You know, I've, I've been programming on that, you know, environment for quite a while. And, uh, it's been getting me through the rendering and everything's fine on that. So, um, I was like, I'm just going to buy the exact same thing. It costs me $350, which is really cheap. Yeah. I was surprised. It's a, it's a, what's it called?

I think it's a Dell op. Oh shoot. Optiplex. Optiplex. Yeah. Optiplex. I can't, I don't even know what version it was.

I just like picked it up at the local computer hardware center. Hey, if it works, it works. Dude, I'm running on a potato, I know. Let's see. I'm just looking at random Dell Optiplex prices here. This is a Dell Optiplex 7070 i5-9500T, 16 gigs of RAM, 256 gigs storage, 400 Australian.ian you know what this is actually a really good deal there we go that's about right yeah yeah except mine was refurbished is that one refurbished uh

i don't maybe is it i would hope i mean yeah at a price like that i would assume so Yeah, at a price like that, I would assume so. Yeah. No, that's nice, man. I've only ever, like, built my own PCs, because, like, I've always had, like, an interest in gaming. I've never really looked at, like, what you can get if you want to just grab one of these, like, you know, basically computers that, like, an office is going to buy

a hundred of them and just stick under a desk. Yep, and I used to be the same way as you i used to build my own and then time ran out right right so i was like i'll just pick something up but i will in the future again it just it takes a while i don't know about how long it takes you but it definitely takes hours if you want to do it right yeah i'm i'm very paranoid i'm going to do something wrong so it's usually a day process for me gotcha yep yep same here the last time when i when i built this system uh it was just before covid so that was just before like the prices went up um i remember seeing my old gpu which was like a RX 570, I think it was.

And I bought it for like 300 Australian. I could have sold it during that for like 600. Because that was like COVID price raise and like the crypto boom as well. So people were buying up any GPU they could find. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You should have thought about going without a GPU they could find. Oh my god. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you should have thought about going... I needed a GPU though.

Yeah, yeah, that's a rough one. So what do you use for editing? Kdenlive. It's not great. Kdenlive. Yeah, it's not. I've tried it before, man. What do you use yourself?

DaVinci Resolve. I'm hearing a lot more people saying davinci recently yeah i love it um especially with like 19 they've introduced a bunch of like uh audio filtering and whatnot by itself you know so you can normalize audio and whatnot you just click a button it doesn't it does a good job um and then you i mean it's got all the tools that you can imagine. But the pain in the ass is getting it on a freaking Linux computer. I've only successfully done it on like... I just did it the other day, finally on Pop! OS.

It was on the new Cosmic desktop. So it's 24.04 Pop! And it turns out there was some packages that got all screwed up in the libraries and uh had to kind of revert some stuff but i finally got it running i'm going to do a video on that one but uh i've had to have a windows backup the entire time just because of davinci resolve it's really annoying yeah i had meant to try da vinci like a long long time ago a few years back i did a series on like linux video editors so i did a video on like hayden live olive flow blade shortcut all that stuff and i was gonna do a video on da vinci i tried to install it

and the package wouldn't work yeah now to be fair on arch like da vinci's linux package at the time was built around centos i believe yeah yeah and it still is sure okay um well uh maybe they moved to rocky i don't know that yeah that makes sense um but that's obviously like a slower moving system than arches and arch probably the uh package versions because i think they you can get it working on arch consistently like at the start of each month or something like that before the packages diverge too much but any other time like you're in for an interesting ride at the time things like distro box didn't exist so setting up a docker container would have been like more annoying to do so but now that's probably how i would approach it yeah yeah and they do have they still have an iso option

where you can i think it's rocky i'm not 100 sure anymore but you can slap it on and it's whatever but to get it working on anything else anything else and their documentation is in my opinion terrible um it's a pain it's a complete pain you still have to like do that whatever that make deb pack i don't know what it's called there's some script you got to run and it's got to make a deb package out of it and then it's got to Do a whole bunch of stuff add extra libraries and then finally maybe works if you do the right dance But yeah, the only thing I've ever had success on is Debian. Mm-hmm. That's it Just just put it in and then pop a west recently. Just put it out. No, you're right. Oh

I just like And then Papa West recently. Yeah, no, you're right. I just like trying to get it to work natively, you know, without containerization or anything like that. I like pain, so. Anyways. What is it about DaVinci that

is actually... Why does it seem like everybody is using DaVinci right now i've spoken to so many people who otherwise would be completely like foss people but then they're like yeah no davinci i just have to use davinci i just think it's the other options you have if you're just doing everything completely open source i mean like caden live and let's be honest i don't think it's that great i mean it's just lacking features and it is goofy clunky i i don't know how to explain it it is better than windows movie maker oh for sure i mean i didn't realize we were making

that comparison like of the of the options it's probably the best open source one i would say yes i'll give you that for sure but when you compare it to davinci resolve and just uh the amount of i don't i think it's just how fluid it is it just like runs flawlessly you know what i mean i don't ever it never crashes it never gives me issues there's never stuttering the codecs are all there i mean it just it just works right out of the box i don't have to think about it and i'm'm a very strong proponent of the stability aspect of it. And I think that's what it's given me. And quite honestly, it's probably just because I started with DaVinci Resolve when I first

started. If it would have been Adobe Photoshop, Premiere, whatever you call it, Premiere or whatever it's called. Yeah, I'm sure it would have been that too. But when I'm making that transition over to Linux more and more, and finally, full-on Linux, well, I probably would have been that too but when i'm making that transition over to you know linux more and more and finally you know full full-on linux well i probably would have stopped using premiere but you know i was already using da vinci and i don't know i don't know why other people do i mean you got any ideas uh i look my my assumption is just because they've tried caddenlive enough and they're like, yeah, no.

I have this issue right now. Actually, there are two really dumb issues with Kdenlive that I'm running into. One of them seems to be a regression. So there is, in Kdenlive, like any sensible video editor, you can rescale the video. So even though the video source is 1080p, you can output it at 4k right completely normal feature

the problem is the transform effects don't respect the resize so if you resize horizontally not vertically vertically is fine but horizontally it will create a square in the top left corner of where

1080p would have been and put everything in there yeah okay yeah that's a little goofy yeah also with the rescale sometimes it just renders a green line at the bottom of the video which is also fantastic i'm sure you love dealing with it i did think of one other thing that uh it's kind of newer but in the studio version of davinci resolve um they have the ability to just cut out all basically all the silent parts and get a transcription and uh just you know by the transcription edit instead of having to even like listen. I think it's annoying to listen to my own voice. Or I can tune it out. It's nice.

There's just those little features that they've added that open source is just trying to... It's going to take a while to catch up to. Right. You need something like Blender. Blender has video catch up to right right like you need something you need something like blender right like oh blender has video editor but when this video editor is you're not good but like i mean something like quality of blender for 3d modeling or something i know like critter isn't perfect but as a drawing program people people include it in the discussion with Clip Studio Paint, Paint Tool Sai, Photoshop.

Critter is part of that discussion, even if it's not everybody's first choice. We just don't have something like that for the video out of the space. Well, it looks like we should make something. But there was a project that was trying to do that. Olive was being developed but it was like mainly being written by one guy and he had like another job and he was a youtuber

as well and the project you know just yeah it's it's difficult to it's difficult to build something like that to the point where other people want to get involved. And when you have a project like that, it's not like a terminal or a text editor where it's a fairly easy thing to get involved in. A lot of a video editor, most people are not even going to be able to touch. They can maybe deal with buttons and UI stuff stuff but how do you implement i don't know a a noise suppression filter or how do you implement a blur filter and like different kinds of blur right right most people just don't have that knowledge right yeah mean, just Codex alone, trying to manage everything. I mean, it's a, it's a big undertaking. Yeah. I mean, for, for what it is, Kdenlive is,

it is great when it, when, when you stop and think about it and you, you, you know, you're talking about all these things and the, the team has been able to actually get something out there that's useful. That's open source. open source um and you know they definitely deserve to be uh you know thanked for that and um it's only going to get better you know i mean it's not like you can't use it or it's unusable or anything like that i don't want to say that at all um i just think it's it's the creature comforts that come with some of the other uh video editors and specifically just making uh the video editing process go a little faster. I think that's really it for most people. Mm-hmm.

What about making thumbnails? What do you use for that? Because I use GIMP. I used GIMP for the longest time, but I finally gave up on it. I paid $13 a month for that canva and okay slap stuff together it's all web-based 100 and uh i think i've i've probably made the last 300 uh thumbnails on that it's just it's super easy i mean if you haven't given a try brody i mean it's worth the money it's just so fast i don't know how long you typically spend on your thumbnails you probably

spend a lot more time than i do but uh most of my time is just thinking of what i want to put in there like it's not i've gotten gimped down to a point where like i just i i have every action that i want to do just hotkeyed so it's not really that big of a deal for me if if i was to go to canva it would basically take me as long because i'm still thinking about what i want to be on the thumbnail i gotcha well you haven't got to the point where you're kind of like yeah well you have i know your thumbnails where it's like you you kind of have a template yeah yeah you know what i mean you got your text on the left side you got a picture of yourself you got some sort of color uh matching going on for for most of it so yeah once once you kind of get that down it becomes

a lot easier and that's how i got to be with um gimp as well like when I was using GIMP, I finally had like a little template going on and it was much easier. But Canva, what it does for me is you, there's so many, like they call it elements, but you can just use elements directly from like a, you click a folder and it just has millions of little graphics and whatnot. And you just throw them into your,

you know, whatever file and you can use it. And the other thing that's really nice and is the real reason I left GIMP was just being able to do this across multiple systems. You know, it's all, it's all web-based. You just log on there and you can access it from anywhere.

So it syncs up and all that fun stuff i that's the real reason i'm even bother well with gimp like there's a lot of it's it's getting better now but there's a lot of like basic text features that are missing, for example. Being able to do drop shadows, you have to... There is a drop shadow option, but to have it actually be a drop shadow, you have to tweak a bunch of options to make it even look like it. There are some effects you can add, which now have been merged into the main branch of GIMP

to actually do a know a proper glow and outline and things like that those are in gimp 3 now but for the longest time i've had to do some like weird hacky like messing with effects and like saving effects in a very specific way to even get close to doing that. Yeah. And you just, you kind of reminded me of one of the torture points when I was using GIMP for the longest time. It was specifically the drop shadow because, well, I think it was more, for me, it was a drop shadow, quote unquote, but it was kind of like an outline, right? So I'd have to take the text i'd copy it twice and then i'd offset it myself change the color and then that would be my drop shadow you know what i mean like that's the goofy stuff that i was you just reminded me of that's all i thought it was funny

yeah i i used to do that as well before i i figured out how to make the effects kind of behave like i want them to behave that's funny usually usually they behave sometimes sometimes they just i don't know there's like a setting you've turned off somewhere and now things just don't work yeah yeah well what about the layers what do you what do you mean what about the layers um well i always the layers always really confuse me on gimp i could never get layers to like properly work like they're supposed to you know overlay stuff basically um it's just i don't know i could never get used to it i was used to photoshop's method but i don't know Do you run into any issues with it? Um, uh, not really at this point. Obviously in GIMP 2 you have the issue where you couldn't select multiple layers, which fantastic.

GIMP 3 has that. Finally. Uh, it's caught up to Photoshop from 2002. Um, you can like move layers around and delete layers. The one that I really like is non-destructive effects where you can apply effects to a layer but

it doesn't modify the layer directly so you can actually turn the effects off. Yeah. Like GIMP is such like both GIMP and Kdenlive are really good projects that are really impressive for what they are, but I wish there was so much more.

Sure. But... No, that don't make sense. When is 3 coming out? They've been saying it for the last, I don't know, six months? Yeah, yeah, quite a while now it was supposed to be released in may this year because there was like a graphics conference they wanted to showcase it at it didn't happen then um recently they hit the gimp 3 3 RC1. So hopefully before the end of the year,

but if it doesn't get done before December, you know, December's a busy time for everyone. So maybe January. January is my prediction. That's a good prediction. I'm thinking about the same. If not spill over into may of next year i hope not well i'm just running the uh i'm running the flat pack for the uh daily release

and the um rally release so like for me i just yeah it's yeah it's all good for you got a couple of minor issues but for the most part it's pretty good for the most part, it's pretty good. For the most part. Speaking about thumbnails then, did you start using the ABC thumbnail testing on YouTube? Oh, yeah, yeah. I tried that out for a couple of videos. I haven't extensively used it though. What about yourself? Yeah, I've been using it since it came out for me

and I want to say the last probably like 40 videos i've been using it on every single one and it's it's interesting i mean you can tell what i've noticed on mine at least um and that's why i wanted to ask you if you had noticed anything but i don't know how long you've been using it, but it's, it is definitely going after watch time. It does not care about click through rate at all. Okay. It is like just hyper-focused on the fact that, okay, this is how this thumbnail was able to get somebody in to watch as long as they could, which is so interesting to me because for a while there, I was like, you know, I kept pushing my, uh, click through rate up, up, up, up, up. And, uh, that seemed to, you know, get decent views in and whatnot.

But, uh, it's, it's kind of fascinating on the backend that they're really, you know, hyper-focused on the watch time. So what I've noticed is in videos that I do some thumbnails on, I've had to kind of like do the initial set, which is, uh, the, the watch time I, to me anyway, comes from like, you know, the users who, uh, resonate the most with that particular subject, uh, that are an audience of your channel. So, uh, people who follow the channel religiously who who you know interact and all that stuff they're the ones who bring a lot of watch time in so they'll come through they'll watch it but then you're really left to no one you know what i mean because those people

are very niche you know they're like they're very hyper focused on that subject which is great i love you know you love those people um but when you want to push it to the broader audience, I've almost had to now make like two sets of thumbnails, one for that initial release. And then one after, you know, let's say four days or something like that, that is more broader, kind of just a better for click-through, let's say. So it's, it kind of, it's, it's interesting because it caused, it makes things easier to hone in on what's makes for good watch time but not necessarily

what's good for click-through so i i've just been interested in it overall i think it's a okay thing i think it's an interesting tool and i definitely need to work um work with it more, because I used it back when it first came out, but I just haven't really bothered with it after that point. I think it is interesting that it does focus on the watch time, though, because I remember there was, at least for a while, there was the idea that click-through rate was, like, really, really important on videos, but it seems like the, well, I guess you can also tell this with, like, really big channels, like, um, I don't know if you ever heard about, uh, the way that MrBeast handled, like, ad reads, where he had a bar that moved really quick at the start, and then slowed down, like, halfway through the ad, um, and stuff like that is just get people watching the video longer because, you know, they think the ad's going to be over in the next second,

but it keeps going further and further and further. I've noticed that I've had videos that like do really well, but the click-through rate was actually relatively low. But I look at the watch time. My average watch time is around the seven and a half minute mark, which is way better than it used to be. And I, I have noticed that has really affected the channel,

but like those videos that do really well, like there'll be like the eight minute or the nine minute watch time on a, you know, 14 minute video. I don't know how the magic black box of youtube functions yeah um i could just i could just throw input at it and see what comes out exactly and that's all we do i mean it's signaling something to us obviously right like they want you to focus on watch time they don't care about anything that's the biggest metric period well watch time is also tendentially linked to ads right like if they watch past the midpoint

there's gonna be mid roll ads absolutely yep so it makes business sense for youtube to do that i mean yeah no i'm complete agreement it's just interesting how they rolled it out and that's what they're sticking to and i've had to adjust for that at least i know that because my click through rates were better quite quite honestly, before. But now I'm getting more watch time. So it looks like that's what they want me to focus on. Yeah, if at the end of the day, more people are seeing the videos, like whatever the reason for it,

like the goal is to get as many people to like see the information as possible. Maybe you don't really care if the video does super well, but like you want people to get as many people to like see the information as possible maybe you don't really care if the video does super well but like you want people to get that information yeah exactly yeah i mean you also want to maintain an audience you know that's part of this whole thing because let's face it not we either we burn out we stop videos, or our audience burns out and stops watching the videos. And, you know, you want to keep refreshing not just the audience and holding on to the people that you can hold on to, but overall, I feel like over the last few years, it's just been a little harder to get people to hit that subscribe button. You know what I mean?

just been a little harder to to get people to hit that subscribe button you know what i mean um so it's going to be interesting to see how it plays out in the next i don't know five years or so because i feel like it's all just starting to roll into less community more more algorithm-based driven community if that makes any sense right well that's how like tiktok works right where tiktok you don't really have an audience your goal on tiktok is for every video to go viral because if your video does not go viral people are not going to see the video yeah that makes sense it's just weird because i feel like youtube is a they're sending mixed signals a little bit

because they're focusing on things like community posts. They, of course, have shorts, but they've kind of backed off and got back on and they just keep changing it. Now they're rolling out three-minute shorts. Did you know that? Yeah, I did see that. They're just throwing darts at a wall,

but even to this day i mean the bulk of it is long form video content you know that's their bread and butter so it's it's you know that that sort of algorithm works really well on tiktok right where you're watching videos that are really quick, so you're scrolling through, blah, blah, blah, just trying to pass some time, versus YouTube, you're devoting time. It's like they've been pushing their television app a lot lately because they're getting more and more regular people who watch television move over to watching YouTube instead of the television. So it's an interesting little battle I think they're having internally trying to figure out which way to go with stuff but i don't think they're going

to do a good job if they're like completely saturated we we've seen it with live for example i don't know if how much you've done the live stuff but i think they've done an abysmal job with the live i i usually stream on my gaming channel twice a week and then i'll every so often i stream on the main channel gotcha gotcha yeah i just i tried it for a while i mean i was doing it every sunday for probably a year and i just that that algorithm really needs to be fixed i don't know what else to say about that well youtube's live stuff just doesn't make any sense because the videos okay if you want to find live content on youtube i actually don't know where you go unless you're already subbed to a channel like

i i legitimately could not tell you where on the website you can even find live content yeah and i don't think youtube knows where you can find it either because they used to have like a they they tried to do a twitch like thing where they had you know like a live shelf and they have things in there but the the content that was in there was completely unrelated like you'd have here's some Minecraft streamer next to here's US politics next to a beauty channel like none of this content has anything to do with each other yeah yeah that's a exact same issue I have with it all lives just wild I think twitch has a lot of problems, right? I don't think anyone's going to deny that Twitch has issues,

but at least the way they handle live content is better. It's not perfect. I think Twitch also has issues where Twitch is very top-heavy because the default way that streams are sorted is by the number of views. So naturally, more people are going to click on... I think when you go to the page, you can see the first two rows. Naturally, people are going to click on something in those first two rows. And usually, I gravitate towards the top one because the top one has the most views.

Therefore, the top one is probably going one is the most views therefore the top one is probably going to be the best content right like that's naturally if you've not seen a channel before that's what you would assume but at least it's better than live content being completely undiscoverable yeah no that's very good point yeah i they they have it figured out when it comes to like the kind of i'll call it the algorithm of the live stream over there on twitch but on youtube again i just think they're they're just focused on too many things i mean videos shorts posts communities memberships do they still have stories because they had that for a while. Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

I don't know if they removed it from the backend or not. They were trying to copy Instagram. They introduced podcasts recently too. Yeah, they did. To be fair, YouTube has had podcasts on the platform for a while anyway. So it kind of just makes

sense. Podcasts is basically just like a special kind of playlist that... I don't even know what making it a podcast playlist does, actually. But that's what I'm saying. That's the point. On this channel, I have a podcast playlist. I don't know what is special about it at all. That's exactly the problem.

Let's see. Are YouTube stories still... what do they even call them uh i don't know but i know exactly what you're talking about mid last year they got rid of them there you go okay so another thing they just threw out yeah because like they'll the reason they did that is because snapchat is what started it snap Snapchat was massive. And then Instagram started doing it. And Facebook, because they're the same company, started doing it. I think Twitter did them. Maybe they did.

I don't know. But YouTube was like, okay, well, stories are big. So that means everyone's... Did you know Twitch has stories? No. Yeah, no one does. They only tell you about it. the only reason people ever make a story on twitch is when you're when you first become an affiliate one of the like the affiliate

challenges affiliate like this will boost up your channel is like make a story and that's the only time anyone ever makes one like if you go to the stories feed, every single story is, Twitch told me to make a story, so here it is. Oh, it's funny. It's kind of its own, like, meme in the background. But, yeah, stories just, they didn't really make sense. It goes back to what you're saying about, they're not really sure what they want to do.

Like, do they want to build communities? Do they want to just have viral content because in the context of a community stories make sense but do they make sense on youtube when you already have community posts right not really i don't think so because all it was is just a community post that gets deleted and it's a video right now have you experimented at all with memberships

I have them I have not I need to get emotes done because now I've got the Twitch affiliate stuff set up and I know people actually use memberships over on Twitch I need to get emotes done because now I've got the Twitch affiliate stuff set up and I know people actually use memberships over on Twitch. I need to get like emotes done and things like that, but not as much as I should have. Sure. Yeah. It's kind of like their competition against like Patreon. Right. Right. Um, and you know, I, I never used any of those to be quite honest. I have,

I set up a page probably because some people ask, but it's just, it's hard to spend the time, you know what I mean? Um, so I never got into it much, but, um, I never knew what kind of,

I mean, on the background, YouTube takes, you know, quite a bit of the earnings. And, uh, it's interesting.

I assume in the memberships, they, they're, they're, they're they're not being uh they're probably taking quite a bit i mean i don't actually know what the cut is because when you have memberships they're just added on top of your ad revenue like it's not a separate payment right right um but they gotta have like a diff- I would assume a different percentage. 30% cut on that. Dang, okay.

That's wild. Uh, isn't- You would- What is- Wait, Twitch sub cut. Isn't- Yeah, Twitch is 50-50 now. On- Uh...

Wow. Yeah. 50- Dang. Yeah. on uh wow yeah 50 dang yeah dang well but it didn't used to be that was no they used to have the same membership cut that youtube has which was 70 30 when they get 30 um yeah they get 30 you get 70 um they so that's how they get away yeah they they recently changed it because twitch is a twitch as a company has always been a weird one like they again there's a lot of weird stuff about twitch like a lot of the memberships are based around prime but prime is like your the the cost of a Twitch sub is basically half the value of Twitch Prime of like Amazon Prime so it's basically

just throwing free money at streamers but no money is free, like the money has to come from somewhere and Twitch needed to like make that money back because so much of the like the membership system, the subsystem on Twitch is built around that monthly

prime sub that makes sense I didn't realize all that lore but a lot of people, a lot of people are very annoyed right, because you know, they suddenly went from a 70-30 cut to a 50-50 cut, so you lose like a giant chunk of money basically overnight

yeah that's wild and if you were one of those like if you were like a you know 500 viewer streamer right like you're at the point where 500 viewers is like not much on YouTube obviously but on Twitch like 500 live viewers that's at the point

where you're basically you're like not doing super well but you could do twitch full-time if you wanted to um but if you went from a 70 30 to a 50 50 like you just went from making enough to all of a sudden like you have to go get another job now right yeah i'm sure that hurt a lot of people yeah i was gonna ask you about um kind of get back on linux for a second because i think i tangented on youtube this is good tangents are perfectly fine here okay um i wanted to ask you about uh the cosmic rust desktop and what you think about it so far i think cosmic is really cool um i i one of the this is actually one of the streams i do

frequently do which is the like breaking cosmic on stream because you know it's an alpha and alphas have problems um i don't know why, but it seems like alpha 2, at least at this stage, is quite a bit buggier than alpha 1. So they recently added in desktop icons, and I don't know if it's a file that I have on my desktop that is causing problems or what it is, but there is a number of hilarious problems with it where my icons just flash every couple of seconds, making them just really annoying to look at.

But also the bigger problem, I can't use desktop icons because there is a memory leak. use desktop icons because there is a memory leak and on stream I am so thankful I have a 48 gigabyte swap which everyone bullies me for having but it let me realize that I was using 70 gigabytes of RAM before my system was going to die running cosmic Wow they see yeah yeah go on wait wait wait you just said there was a memory leak how's that possible uh you can you can memory leak in rust i'm just kidding of course but yeah i know there's gonna be people out there like i wasn't aware of this i thought this was part of like the memory safety guarantee so it wouldn't be surprising if other people brought it up as well

but no you can definitely memory leak in rust um i don't know again i that when i was running the applet they're like the desktop icon applet it was throwing warnings in my terminal so it's very possible that one of the files i had was something that they just hadn't really considered being a file you would have like i on my desktop because i've got files there from when i was still in uni there is a i think it's called like users.dat it's a like 18 megabyte uh text file full of um like database entries um it's somewhere around here movies yeah ratings.dat and users.dat yeah so it's an 18 megabyte file basically of colon separated values gotcha so it's uh what is that a million entries i have to open it in vim because i open any in pretty much any graphical text editor

it is not very happy about that but But it might have complained about that file. Like maybe something they're doing, it sees that file and it freaks out. And for whatever reason, something breaks. Besides those issues though, like Cosmic as a core concept, I really like the idea of it because I pretty much grew up on Linux using,

I guess not really grew up on Linux. I've been using Linux for a couple of years now but when I started using Linux I started on the window managers I started on i3, BSPWM things like that so I like tiling I really like tiling but now that I've used KDE Plasma for a good couple of months at this point I kind of appreciate having the desktop environment there as well so having the best of both worlds or at least hopefully

long term that's what it's going to be I think when it's ready it's going to be really really cool it's supposed to be really really cool it's supposed to be ready Carl thinks early next year that's his prediction

I could see that with the rate that they're going I talked to there's a desktop developer called Michael as well talked to him quite a bit in the background just to, you know,

get a, get a feeling on things, new things that they're adding, changing, fixing whatnot. And I kind of get the similar feeling just based on things that he's telling me as well. And you know,

which stage they're in and how they plan on getting to a beta and so on and so forth. But the the the big thing that i've been running into is the bluetooth for me is a mess okay i can't get so for example like my keyboard keyboard requires bluetooth connection then you got to type in a pin right and i can't get the pin dialogue to ever pop up so i can't ever connect my keyboard to the desktop. I have to go find an old wired one to slap in there. But I remember like it wasn't, yeah, it was Alpha 2 finally got it to where I could use Bluetooth period.

Before that one, you know, in the first Alpha, I was getting all sorts of like Bluetooth issues. I couldn't even get like the Bluetooth dialogue to pop up. It was like doing all sorts of things, disappearing. It restart itself and all this fun stuff. So I love the fact that they're making such big progressions between these releases. You know what I mean? I mean, we're looking at stuff that's still, you know, in complete development.

And the watch and see them develop this over the last two years and how well it already works with multi displays you know with with varying different graphics unless it's a vertical display unless it's a vertical display i didn't i haven't tried on a vertical display work screenshots don't um they are they are aware of this they knew about it before Alpha 1. They were like, we'll deal with it eventually, but it's not a big deal. They're like, we'll get it for Brody eventually. Well, a lot of developers also use them as well. They'll have their text editor on, you know,

they'll have Vim or VS Code or whatever on a vertical display, or they'll have a Slack or something open. Yeah. The issue is, it's an issue with the portal actually where it it doesn't really know how to handle the vertical display and what it does is so you know how when you like use a screenshot tool uh like a lot of the the gooey ones they'll take a snapshot of the desktop and you can like select things right yeah yeah of course so with vertical monitors it has the image rotated as if it's a horizontal display but also half the image is cut off so

you see the desktop and then just black what yeah I don't know but this also affects capturing vertical displays with OBS as well. Gotcha. So, yeah, it's a problem they know they need to deal with, but eventually. Eventually. Eventually, hopefully. Yeah.

Well, I mean, just... They've done a good job. Yeah. The whole team at System76. I recently visited there. I went in... When was it? It was December. No. there. I went in, when was it? It was December. No, no, no, no, no.

February? Somewhere December to February of last year. I went out there. I was in Denver for a little bit. And I stopped by just to kind of see, you know, how they manufacture their laptops and their computers and everything. And they got to, you know, show me the desktop running on, you know, some of their computers and everything. And, um, they got to, you know, show me the desktop running on, you know, some of their computers and whatnot.

And I think they're building a pretty great ecosystem over there. I mean, uh, it's, it's amazing. And, and, and also just the team there really seems like tightly knit.

And it's, it's kind of cool to see now, you know, you don't see that as much nowadays, especially with like, I mean, even like a gnome foundation, for example.

I mean, I think they got like, they have to have over a hundred employees at point um the foundation um no i think the foundations are quite a bit smaller than that is it well while you while you look that up i mean these guys are doing pretty amazing work i mean four yeah like actual employees they probably have they have a lot more volunteers oh yeah i guess you can yeah sorry yeah yeah they have 200 volunteers but like paid employees is yeah i said employees my bad i i meant like just contributors let's put it that way sure sure um yeah sorry um but uh well system 76 i think they got like probably like 40-ish

I don't know what they have wonder if we can find it yeah I'd be interested too if you can find that number but the the fact that they're willing to like actually dedicate so

much of their resources to that project just goes to show you how committed they are to Linux because not a lot of you know I mean basically for-profit organizations are going to go you know cast aside so many people to actually do that type of development it's just it's wild to me that they've been able to do this. And for such a, I mean, sure, two years doesn't seem like a long time, but when you're, you know, taking away a lot of resources, you can just see Carl's devotion to this whole thing.

He really thinks that there needs to be a better desktop environment out there and that they can make a dent in this. And I see the vision and I think they're going to do it because they've shown it over the last two years, how well they've pulled it together. You know, I personally believe that, but I guess guess we'll see hopefully it does get released by next

year the number you know they actually have like a proper number but it seems to be around you know linkedin's like 51 to 200 employees which is like a big range um i they got a picture somewhere I'm seeing somewhere close to 50-ish okay wait I just looked it up I found a really old picture of Carl let me show you the picture uh

that one where he uh his hair was not yet uh was not yet gray or like not yet fully gray that was before they started developing cosmic very much before they started but no i i really do like system 76 everyone that i've spoken to there seems like genuinely passionate about what they're doing and seems like they really want to make this happen um but as for like as for spending all this time working on cosmic like it's it i get what you're saying but it's not at least from what I can tell, as crazy of an endeavor as you might think because they have a lot of customers who are asking for, like, tiling

and asking for these different features that they were able to build PopShell and bring that over because they had a previous head of customers who were like, hey, can I use i3 with uh with PopOS or can I use even but back when they had Ubuntu on their system can I use i3 with Ubuntu and it just made sense for them to build PopOS as a as a distro and build PopShell on top of that but Gnome Gnome gnome is gnome right like gnome has their own

plans for what they want to do and they may not like necessarily align with what system 76 like and their customers actually want so building a platform from the ground up that you fully control that you're not worried about the upstream just suddenly changing something and going more down a route of like less customization like it makes sense it's it might be a hard thing to justify but long term it's probably going to be a much better decision yeah and i'm in agreement with you on that because i look at it from like the let's just call it the apple ecosystem type of thing right um you know they they're building from the ground up and it makes a lot of sense for them if they're

going to make a very you know well known product that works you know seamlessly from hardware to software um you you kind of you have to go that route you know what i mean and apple is a testament to that right um they've they've done a fantastic job with you know just building this not only hardware architecture but you know building up the software on top of that hardware and it's i mean their system 76 is kind of doing a similar thing i mean you know they're not as big or anything like that but you know when you look at it from that viewpoint it makes sense especially if you can sell it to people i mean shoot if there's a we don't know the background metrics i mean they someone could have requested this and been like yeah i need cosmic you know this i want something built on rust cosmic desktop can you guys build it for me

and i'll pay you gobs of money i mean we don't know that they don't need that there is there are too many of the engineers i've spoken to who are like rust die hard shields they don't need anyone to pay them to do right no they don't they absolutely will just speak to jeremy solar for five minutes about rust and you'll see why they don't need anyone to convince them about it yeah I think he's been pushing a lot of it he's also a developer of a Rust

operating system that he's been developing since the Rust beta yeah yeah Redox or whatever was it called yeah I didn't get to meet him I didn't get to meet him. I'm trying to think. I didn't get to meet Carl either.

He was caught up in the mountains, I think. There was actually an avalanche while I was out there. Oh, geez, okay. And it kind of closed down one of the major highways, so it was hard to get back out. Luckily, I had got out of the mountains like a day before that or else I would have screwed up my entire schedule. But, yes, I didn't get to meet Carl.

I didn't get to meet Jeremy. But I did get to meet a lot of the background team and stuff like that. They're all very friendly, great group of people. They got a really cool kind of like setup too over there. I mean, Denver is a beautiful place but also uh just kind of all this testing that they get to do in-house i was kind of surprised that um like for example they had like this they they tend to build a lot of stuff in-house and one of them was a project i can't remember who did it but you know their new launch keyboards

yeah so um they have this little setup with this pneumatic stamping pad if you can imagine that that beats the hell out of the keyboards i mean it just goes to town on it just to test to see like how long can it be like smashed down? And they just do it for like hours, but it's so violent. You just hear it in the background, just like slam, slam, slam, slam. And I'm just like, what's going on?

They're like, oh, they're just testing some keyboards. I'm like, you do this to everyone? Yeah. So they wrote their little program out. Of course, on Pop! OS, they got a little computer running that runs this little machine that's just over there slamming keyboards all day. And someone's job is to throw a keyboard in there

and make sure it's going to work. That's just funny. All the little components and stuff. They got a really cool setup over there. I would definitely like to go there at some point. It's just, you know, getting anywhere from Australia is expensive. Yeah, expensive. And I've been to Australia once in my life.

Yes, and that's never again. The shortest one is a 24-hour flight. Yeah, but that's not with layovers um I don't even know yeah I was gonna two stops

how many? two stops by the looks of it three whoo yeah you're looking at like a good 35 hour adventure yeah yeah yeah uh You're looking at like a good 35 hour adventure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, then I assume you've never been to the States. No, no, I haven't. Sadly, I would, I would definitely like to at some point. There are a lot of people I know over there and there's a lot of things I would like to do, but not, not yet. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. It'll have to happen eventually but um i i haven't actually

left like australia before i kind of want to do like a shorter flight outside the country before we do that like maybe we can do like new zealand first yeah i was gonna start start lighter yeah that would suck the first flight you're on is like i've done like local flights right like i've gone to queensland i've gone to melbourne things like that but like i've not gone outside of the country that's what i meant overseas right right you know it's first flight overseas like 17 hours that would be a nightmare that's a nightmare oh yeah but also it's just expensive as well which is the other problem yeah but you know it is what it is this is what this is what i get for living on some island But also it's just expensive as well, which is the other problem. Yeah. But, you know, it is what it is.

This is what I get for living on some island country in the middle of the ocean. It's a beautiful country, though. I'll give you that. Have you ever seen the chart of, like, the Australian population? Like, where the population lives? Oh, yeah, on the East Coast. I mean, it's, like, everything's on the East Coast. Now, I'm probably between, like, two or three cities melbourne sydney brisbane there's a uh there's there's a heat map that is actually like really cool um i'll see okay i'll show you this one um where's

discord there it is yeah i also saw that picture of uh carl oh yeah he's definitely changed oh okay so the entire middle of the country is just like entirely empty except for a couple of like little red dots you can see in there those for the most part are like mining towns but people just don't live in a lot of the country yeah no i I always knew... What in the world? Why is there little, like, red dots right in the middle? Isn't that, like, a desert? Yeah, so those are just random mining towns.

Oh, those are the mining towns. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, okay, okay. Wow. Yeah, there's a lot of, like, mining towns, like, closer to the coast as well, but... Yeah, or some of those are also um i think some of those might be like aboriginal communities as well sure that makes sense but yeah i've watched a few videos on just kind of the middle of australia and it's wild it's wild I didn't realize how many camels you had.

Yes. Camels are something that got imported because horses, they die when it gets really hot. Right. So I don't know when, but I believe it was definitely early settlers brought over camels because, you know,

they live in the desert anyway, so they should probably be able to deal with australia they can acclimate they they will they're gonna do a better job than a horse is gonna do oh for sure for sure but we have a lot of um we have a lot of animals here that a lot of people may not even realize like we have a big deer population as well deer yeah i didn't realize that i didn't realize till like five or ten years ago either but like yeah um i i did some like uh some volunteer work with like a uh what do you call like a nature survey place and i was my job there was to look at the um look at the trail camera photos and identify what animals were in the photo this

is before we had like you know really easy machine learning stuff that automatically does this so my job for an entire week was to go through tens of thousands of pictures of trail cameras and spot what was in it and that's number down how many animals there were. You were the machine algorithm. It got really fun when you ran into a picture of birds and it was a flock of birds. Like how many birds are in the photo? I don't know, like 70 or so, I guess. But a lot of the photos just like next, next, next. It'll be like the wind blows and it sets off a trail camera, things like that.

Gotcha. Gotcha. But through that, yeah, I found out we have a bunch of deer, apparently. We also have a bunch of pigs, but a lot of places have a lot of pigs. Hmm. But, uh... I wouldn't have known that. Actually, do you know how many kangaroos we have?

Because this is always a fun one that people are not sure about. Like, you're looking for a number? Yeah, so like... Like a guesstimate, okay. Yeah, yeah, a guesstimate number. It's in the millions. We're going to go with... We're going to go with 10 million kangaroos.

Okay, so the population of Australia, like human population, is... Australian population is 27 million. That's of people. As of 2023, there is

42.7 million kangaroos. Yeah, what? They outnumber two to one. Yeah, almost. Oh, wow. I had no idea. That's a wild stat. There are some people that think kangaroos are endangered or anything like that.

No. Yeah, right. No, kangaroos are actually like, endangered or anything like that. Like, no. Yeah, right. No, kangaroos are actually just a pest. People are endangered. Like, every supermarket you go to is going to have kangaroo meat, like, for, like, kangaroo steak, stuff like that. Also, like, every pet food aisle is going to have, like, kangaroo biscuits, kangaroo meat.

There is just a lot of kangaroos. Wow. That's wild. I did not know that. Now, koalas actually are endangered. That one is much, much less. There is only a few hundred thousand of those. Because they, like pandas, only eat a certain kind of food.

They eat eucalyptus. And as you have forests cut down and all that sort of stuff, that becomes a lot more of a problem. But yeah, kangaroos... If I drive up to my parents' place which is only like an hour and a half away i will see at least ted uh 10 dead kangaroos on the side of the road wow minimum wow i didn't realize how big i knew like uh if you start driving outside the cities that like a lot of people, even you have those like,

Oh, like those bumper guards. I don't know. I don't know how to explain it. Like grills or whatever they're called. And they're, they're meant for, I mean,

cause you got kangaroos hop hopping out in front of you all the time. So it is really dangerous to drive like around like sunset. If you're going through like a rural area you really don't want to be driving around that point because that's the the time where they are going to be moving around and they're likely going to be jumping across the roads like you know how you'll see like uh i don't know like a a duck crossing sign or a right a deer crossing sign we just have kangaroo crossing signs as well oh it's so funny yeah yeah you actually do have to be careful about those if you drive around here i don't doubt it yeah plus you're driving on the

opposite side of the road more than likely and you got kangaroos attacking you i mean what's you're in you can get into the desert no problem at all you got kangaroos everywhere you're on the opposite side of the road well i mean there i'm sure there's more animals that are ready to kill you at any point i mean what what's the draw here uh you know i i don't really know i couldn't i honestly couldn't tell you no i'm just'm just kidding. Yeah, your beaches are beautiful, though. That's one thing. It's absolutely splendid. Absolutely.

Well, there's a... I used to live in Queensland. There was a beach that was really close to where I was called Rainbow Beach. I'll see if I can find... Yeah. Where's a good picture of it? Okay, I'm not finding good pictures of it,

but a part of this beach has black sand and looks really, really cool. But yeah, Australia has... We don't really have rocky rocky beaches unlike you know the uk seems to have a lot of uh pretty much all of our beaches are like you know are like like if we do have rocks they're like you know big rocks that you're not it's not a beach at that point it's like stones yeah yeah yeah like people go there to fish but yeah as i i maybe we have a rocky beach somewhere but i don't i certainly don't there's too many nice beaches here that nobody

cares no i could see that i mean everything's the beautiful like white fine sand it's at least all the places i went to i mean it's it's. And the only place you can see that pretty much in like the States is like the Gulf Coast. So like Florida. Yeah. And the Panhandle and kind of that side. If you go to the opposite side, it gets a little more coarse and darker sand. And then anywhere else in the States, it's just going to be like rocks and stones and whatnot. So definitely got that on us.

When you, whenever you drive, like, if you're going for, like, a big drive in Australia, like, you, the most important thing, and there's a lot of people that just don't even consider, I don't know why, they're just not very smart. The most important thing is always just have water with you. Like, that's such, like, a

basic requirement, because I grew up rural as well. People who grew up in the city may not have this like mindset but i grew up where the nearest town was a 30 minute drive away so like you get that mentality in your head like make sure you always have some water with you because there's a possibility that car breaks down you're gonna be stuck out there for a possibility that car breaks down. You're going to be stuck out there for a while. And if you're somewhere, if you live in a town of like a couple thousand people, right? Like it's very unlikely that someone's going to drive by anytime soon,

especially if it's down one of like the side roads. Yeah. And, and I feel like it's a little uncanny. And I don't think people realize how big Australia actually is. Like to go from, I don't know, like Brisbane to Melbourne. Isn't that like a four-hour flight or something wild? That is a two-and-a-half-hour flight. Okay, two-and- and a half hour flight.

Okay. Two and a half hour. But let me, let me actually check the distance. But the drive is like something crazy. Yeah. It's an 18 hour drive. It's 1776 kilometers. What in the world?

There's nowhere. I mean, that's wild. Like I know people in the US will talk will talk about like you know they they'll like drive to the state over or something just for the weekend like that's not a thing you do here unless you live along the border right right exactly yeah that's why i think people take it a little bit for for granted and they're like oh yeah it's a little island blah blah blah you can get from place to place in no time at all but you get there and you're like you're pretty much stuck

wherever you're at I mean unless you want to drive for 18 hours there is a road let me see how long it is there is a road called the Hay Plains let me see if I can find a really good picture of it

yeah here we go this is actually the Hay Plains is this basically dead straight road. Oh, wow. Um, let me see it, uh, distance. Let me see how long it is. It is... So the actual part that's referred to as the Hay Plains is only 100 kilometers, but it's 100 kilometers of just dead straight road, and there's basically nothing along the sides.

Yeah. It is a really dangerous bit of road to drive on because it is very very easy to like just stop paying attention sure yeah i could see that it's kind of pretty though it is well yeah it's it's a nice place but once you've been driving down it for an hour yeah also you got to be careful i mean you're committed 100 kilometers what that's 60 miles that's 60 miles without a rest area yeah you better have 60 miles in the tank oh man but like there are people that um they're i't know, I'm not a big fan of myself, but there are a lot of people that do, like, like, going on long drives as well. So, there are, like, routes like this if you want to, like, drive from Sydney to Adelaide and go through the Hay Plains and, you know, visit all, like, visit all this stuff.

Because there is a lot of, there's a lot of, like, old mining towns as well. Where, like, whilst a lot of it is completely empty now, but like you'll see these old like little villages that were here. And it's like these houses that were built, you know, 200, 100 years ago. And they're all just like collapsing rock. And a lot of these places do have like plaques up that explain like, here's the family that lived there.

And like, here's what they did. And also here's, here's, here's the family that lived there and like, here's what they did. And also, um, here's, here's, here's the thing that a lot of people, I don't know how he got down the Australia topic. This is the last thing I don't want to say.

Um, there is a, an old trend that exists in Australia, um, called big things. Here is the Wikipedia page on big things things i've talked about this before but there is this thing where people just put up statues of just random different big things like uh the big banana is a famous one yeah or like some of the what in the world is that oh which one there's like a prawn

there's like a shrimp or a prawn yeah yeah um yeah alligator with boxing gloves the yeah big boxing crocodile the big buffalo the big dinosaur uh where's my state oh the um uh where is my state south australia so here we got the big ant a lot of this is also like it's sort of it some of them are just like farmers who've just put a thing up in their in their their property like the big ant i believe uh actually no it's the big cockroach the big cockroach is just in uh some guy's farm it's just made of like old scrap metal so it's just like this rusted metal cockroach um some of them are like businesses that have put things up like the big scotsman is on top of a building um the big rocking horse is like a tourist attraction. Oh yeah.

My favorite one is the big windmill, which is just like a regular sized windmill. It's just the blades are a little bit bigger. I don't know. This is just a thing that most people have no idea exists, but I did not. Yeah. That's fascinating.

Here's the big cockroach. Yeah. This is the one i'll send it send it wow it's just i love the sign too it's so weird yeah so that was on like the local news as well and it's like it's it's on one of the um it's like alongside one of the major highways so if you want to go out to um if you want to go out that way like you're gonna have to see it gotcha yeah it kind of reminds me of uh route 66 here in the states i mean it's very very long but uh very very similar type of vibe where it's got the you know the weird novelty type things huge signs random stores that you can go into and like get random stuff it's just yeah so goofy but no that's really cool i did not realize you had that down

there yeah i guess it's the same sort of vibe but it's a lot more spread out here like it's just a it's a thing you'll see across the entire country and you you could just uh okay i didn't realize this one existed the big bundaberg rum um anyway uh there you could like plan out like a journey to like go go visit all of these different things and obviously it's going to take you quite a while to do so but yeah it's still really cool this exists it is i like the penguin one the uh penguin which you didn't see it on the first uh oh yeah yeah where's that one it's like perfect i don't know oh it's in a it's in a town called penguin in tasmania i've never been to tasmania before i'll have to do that at some point yeah um let's uh let's get back yeah let's

yeah maybe we should really sidetrack there for a while. We did. That was good, though. That was fun. You want to talk a bit about Microsoft Recall? Absolutely. So what exactly about it? Because I know they also made it a hard requirement as well of, I think it's like a hard dependency of the file manager now or something? Yes, yes, the file manager. So something yes yes the file manager so basically and chris he's the one to really you know tout out a shout out for all of this but um you know

i was i was paying attention one of his videos popped up and uh he's kind of like oh this is a little strange of finding that uh recalls been you know kind of like enabled in the background the hooks are here and um i don't know what they're doing but i'm gonna been, you know, kind of like enabled in the background. The hooks are here and I don't know what they're doing, but I'm going to figure out, you know, let's shut this down before it gets too far. Right. Which makes sense and really appreciate all his work on that. I love that utility that he has for windows. And I think he started doing a little bit more investigation and like how to get rid

of it really the backend way. So through like the command line and um he figured out that if if you remove or disable i should say uh it's not really removed we can't like just you know completely get it out it's more of you know disabling a feature um that it would cause the like file explorer to just crash like would be non-existent and so for some strange reason they have uh well i guess they have recall as a dependency of of the file manager which just blows my mind like what was the point of that it's kind of like the whole goofiness with the co-pilot stuff right um you know they're just trying to build it all into

edge and they're trying to like make everything work together they had a similar issue i don't know if you remember brody with uh cortana remember cortana i do like on windows windows 10 they had it where it would like be in the search you know it was like a little search box that you can use or whatever but if you removed it initially, it like broke I don't know how many things in Windows. It was like it was some crazy, I mean, like leave the system unusable. It was like something insane. And I

feel like they're just doing this all over again. I think they've done the same thing with Edge in the past as well. Or was it back with IE? There was a point where the browser one of the ones they've had was a hard dependency of something

some other core part of the system yeah but it's like when are they going to stop this they know what they're doing they're not stupid you know what I mean like they're just

my biggest thing in my one of my recent videos on it was me you know going off on my soapbox a little bit, but, um, you know, I, I kind of, uh, probably titled it a little bit provocatively and just call it, you know, it's basically time to switch to Linux. Right. And not thinking that anyone's actually going to switch, you know, that that's not the point of the video. The video was really meant to show you like, Hey, look at the sort of overreach, the, the blinding, you know, the, the, the, they're just trying to put something over your eyes. So you just accept this thing, make it really hard to like delete or disable or whatever. And then you have this

crazy feature running in the background, taking snapshots of your computer screen. I mean, it's just, it seems so wild to me that they're able to get away with this stuff. And I'm fine with them trying to implement it, but I think they really need to be upfront with how it's implemented, how to disable it, and, you know, really just to be able to disable and uninstall it. That's all I care about, right?

And I think they've been, and like, you know, Microsoft, this huge corporate company, of course they want to make money. They're not only pushing this at this point on us forcefully, but they keep changing the stance. You know, months ago when I was first researching it, it was like, I mean, I don't know if you, how much you've been following. So if I'm rambling on, you can stop me at any point. We've rambled for half an hour about Australia stuff. So it's like,

go ahead. Okay. Sounds good. Um, you know, a few months ago we, we get the, you know, okay. Recall is going to be released. This is its features, blah, blah, blah. Great. Whatever. Next thing we know, okay, it's taking screenshots in the background so I can keep track of what you were doing so I can pull it up in any context. Whatever. That's crazy. We can uninstall it. Fantastic. Then they tell us, well, it's, you maybe will be able to uninstall it. Maybe not. Then they tell us, no, you'll be able to uninstall it. They even add in the feature for uninst it, maybe not. Then they tell us, no, you'll be able to uninstall it. They even add in the feature for uninstalling it through features. Then they go back and say, that

was a bug. You weren't supposed to be able to uninstall it. We put a hook in magically. I mean, how do you screw it up? That makes no sense. What developer is going to do extra development to go put it in a features panel to be able to disable

it if that wasn't a thought so they don't even know internally what they want to do it's like it feels like they're testing us you know they're like okay how much are they going to let us get away with before we actually have to implement whatever you know people are requiring basically so that's been my biggest frustration is just watching them kind of like test this horrible feature, in my opinion, out on the masses. And then everyone's kind of like, you know, even the comment section got pretty heated with like Windows, you know, fanboys, Linux fanboys, of course, too. But it's like, oh, I don't care if they're taking screenshots. You know what I mean? It's just another, you know, another feature. I'm going to use it in this way. I'm going to do this. I'm like, that's I don't care if they're taking screenshots, you know what I mean? It's just another feature.

I'm going to use it in this way. I'm going to do this. That's not the point. It's the privacy for the people who don't want to use the feature that's important here. Yeah, people always bring up the fact like, oh, especially when you could disable it very easily. It was like, oh, well, I'll just disable it.

Like, okay, but what about all of the people out there who don't, the there who don't... The people who don't upgrade operating systems, they upgrade computers, where they don't know how a computer works. Those are the people that are really going to be affected. Exactly. Exactly.

And, you know, the whole, oh, it's only on CoPilot Plus PCs. Well, that's a lie. I mean, it's on everything. Yeah, it was never dependent on co-pilot plus pcs people got it right here that argument x86 day one yeah so you're always hearing that argument and it's like come on i i don't i don't know i just feel bad for people um getting things pulled over them and and and it really seems like that is what's happening here.

And I'd love to hear your perspective on this whole thing. I mean, I know that you've done videos on it as well. I've not talked about it being a hard dependency. The video I did was back when it was first announced. And yeah, I just, when I saw it, it's just an extension of what Microsoft's been doing for so, so long now. Whether it's like injecting ads into the system, which they've been slowly doing with like, ooh, here's your start menu ads, here's file manager ads, here's other little things here and there.

Here's a pop-up that suggests you should go and get this thing. Then there's all of the, like, data collection stuff they started introducing back during Windows 8, and some of it would get, like, turned back on between updates, and like, oh, yeah, that wasn't intentional, and you can turn it back off, but then sometime down, later down the line, they add another thing in, and this thing doesn't actually have a toggle attached to it so if you want to go and disable it now now you have to go and do some like registry edits for it and it's just it gets more and more and more complex and now we're getting to a point where like you know machine AI, whatever you want to call it, is this really big hot topic, and a lot of people find it really useful, and it's very easy to, it's very easy in a marketing presentation to gaslight people into thinking they have a problem

that they never realized they had, and that's basically what recall is but it's like oh well you can take screenshots of everything you do and like search back through it but it's like okay but if i needed to know something was there like if i if i needed to know about a website i've gone to before i can bookmark it if i needed to save some information i could save it like it's it's creating it it's trying to solve an issue that nobody actually has and when you deal with fanboys like those are the people that you're just never going to convince like there's no point even trying to Like deal with them like that. It's the same as like Linux fanboys or Apple fanboys no matter what you say

like They have already made up their mind you cannot reason with them because they they're not they didn't reason themselves into that position So there's no way you're raising them out of that position but for the normal people who see it and they're like maybe have some concerns about data security, those people you can actually have a discussion with and make them aware of what's actually going on here and hopefully put them in a position where they can actually be safe. I think the real problem, though,

isn't necessarily keeping your own data safe. it's when you're handling other people's data because you know they're not going out of their way to filter out applications that don't use DRM systems so if you're having a private chat with someone and they don't have the system in place in the application, that private chat is now part of the database and while they're not collecting it i don't trust especially with the way it was being handled initially that that data is going to be safe locally because people were exfiltrating it literally on the day it came out i know yeah the yeah no they're all good points and and very well thought out because i i and i also agree with

you on on everything there and and like you said you you're trusting them with this data that's already been shown to easily be hacked and and leaked because i mean they were storing i believe it was in an sql lite database I don't even think it was encrypted. And everything, all the information was located in it. It's like, well, why do you think they're going to get it right for production? They're screwing

it up on day one. So it's like, everything is kind of an afterthought. And that's the biggest problem here I think I have. Everything is an afterthought and they're pushing it on us. It's mind-blowing i i just haven't seen this scale of of you know just simply trying to force or push everyone into some something like you said they we really i don't think we even really need i i i really have a struggle to find a context for which I would need it. Sure, I forget files occasionally.

I go and find, you know, use the find tool or grep. And I even install it on my own Windows system. Like I, you know, I'll use Sigwin, for example, or, you know, whatever to get me those tools. But it's really, it's just rough to watch. It kind of reminds me of, I don't know if you remember, but the watering down of the local administrator on Windows. So if today you go and buy a copy of Windows, you know, Windows 11, and you install it on your computer,

it is almost impossible to create a local user account right right right because you have to they force you to log in with their cloud crap and with whatever uh hotmail outlook whatever they're using nowadays office um just to get you into that cloud ecosystem so they can i mean easily harvest data right like let's let's be straight here what else are they doing yeah i think now you have to like run some console command to skip past it or some ridiculous thing yes it's like come on and they're they're i feel like this is the same approach they're watering this down as much as they can so that people are like oh yeah i, I can drink that, you know, Kool-Aid. And guess what? It's cyanide.

How much cyanide do you have to have for someone to notice it? That's where we're at. I will see. I'm hoping there's a, there's, this is just another failure. Let's just put it that way. Let's just hope it that way. I don't know. They've put so much marketing behind this and they have the co-pilot PCs as well.

Like, I don't think this one's just gonna, this is just gonna go away. I imagine if it does, it's gonna come back rebranded or it's in some other form. Like, it's not gonna be called recall it's gonna be like some it's gonna be some core part of the search system right like it's gonna be like oh now you can you can search back through the history of your entire pc and it's the exact same feature

it's just not its own dedicated thing anymore yeah i love the name recalled too i mean all the memes total recall just that cracked me up from the beginning yeah yeah this uh i haven't used windows since windows 10 i i have no interest in using it in uh anytime soon well i'm i'm happy for you because i mean if it wasn't for work um yeah i think i'd be the same but yeah we're just not caught up on the cad the cad and the and the other stupid you know proprietary software that's never going to be released on linux right that's understandable yeah yeah that's really it though so one more thing you did want to talk about is um is odyssey yeah well i kind of wanted uh your opinion and your experience with odyssey because um at the beginning of things

yeah it sounded like a great idea and it it's a good here's what i personally use it for um backup right um what's really nice about odyssey and i'm not sure if everyone's aware probably not but uh first off odyssey is just like a supposed supposed to be a decentralized video sharing platform um it's built on a blockchain what was that supposed to be but there's like there's like one main instance of it yeah and and it's built on some sort of a blockchain protocol blah blah blah right all this fun stuff that they were touting at the beginning um we were able to use or gain some sort of a coin library in order to you know host our videos there and that's kind of how creators are supposed to get paid. So they had a cool platform and idea and whatnot. And over the years, it's had its ups and downs, to be honest.

I mean, I feel like it's no bigger than it was, you know, a couple of years ago. I would say for the Snola. Yeah, I would probably say the same thing at this point. But it's a good storage system. I mean, it has this really unique feature where it's like it just ports your video right over. I mean, you don't have to do anything. It just shows up, you know.

So in case anything happens with YouTube or they start deciding to delete videos or whatnot, you have a backup copy. Of course, you know, we all probably have our local copies and whatnot, but it's a a nice secondary tool and that's what i've been using it for over the last few years and um short of that i mean i don't know what your experience is with kind of like the community and stuff over there either but it's a little bit of a mess at this point in my opinion and i'm honestly i've been debating on just completely deleting it well where i first started getting i guess worries about the platform is when the whole like uh uh ftc stuff happened with the library token where they're like and this made sense why they were so weird about how they talked about it initially. Because from the start, they were never calling the library token a payment system or anything.

They were calling it a gift. We were gifting the creators on the platform. And then finding out about the lawsuit, where the FTC was like, Hey, you guys are treating this this like a security but it's not all the this has happened to a bunch of crypto tokens like Ripple had the same thing happen to them and like I think the issue

is it was being treated like an investment but I whatever yeah security yeah yeah yeah yeah so when that happened and then it got pulled from basically every crypto exchange, it's like, well, the token that was on this platform

is now literally worthless. Like, yeah. There's no sales of it. There's like a couple of little crypto exchanges that still trade it, but like there's no market volume. The value it had is gone and is never going to come back because you don't crypto tokens don't come back like they die and they are dead

like i've not heard of a single one that has ever fallen just at that much and ever actually come back um and then you had the you had the split of Library and Odyssey. Odyssey became its own separate thing, separate from Library. And I'm like, okay, well now it's just another video platform that has this token that's worthless. It's like... Why am I still here? I still upload it because it's just automatically done but right besides that like i i just don't even acknowledge the platform exists

i just i've gone there like once over the past year maybe yeah see that's it's kind of how i have it being treated as well i mean i'll occasionally go over there just kind of look over the comments a little bit and you know heart one or whatever and um but short of that yeah and i just wanted your opinion on a little bit just to kind of get your experience on it because there's not a lot of us over there i mean to be quite honest i mean you're probably i don't know how many subscribers or whatever you got over there followers i guess they call them but um it's it's pretty barren i mean it's like even big big people over there don't don't see a lot i have 32k subs over there 32k okay yeah you got quite a bit more than me i think think I got, like, 1,500 or something. I started, like, very early on when the platform first began.

And back then, there was a... This is another thing that's kind of, like, a bit weird. There was an incentive to go around and subscribe to people. So you saw a lot of those early adopters back when like it was the Linux channels on there were me Mental Outlaw

uh Lunduk and maybe like one other person maybe Chris had already started an account over there but there was a point where my account was in the top I think it was in the top

20 subscribed channels on the platform. Oh, I don't doubt it. Yeah. Just because there was early on there was so little content there. If you were pushing the platform and there was the incentive to sub, those early ones just popped way high up

yeah that's i still think that's the case and but there's really nothing else out there that well i think a lot of people that made odyssey accounts like there's still a lot of people in the linux space that have, but I don't know how many people even acknowledge they still have them, even remember they still have them and bother to do anything with them.

Yeah, I agree. It was a good idea, it just wasn't followed through correctly. Mm-hmm. It's sad, because, I mean, I thought it was a pretty neat platform for you know how they were approaching things quite honestly in the beginning but i feel like just over the last few years it's become uh i don't know it's like it's like no direction that's what it feels like

there's just like no direction for it just something that exists out there that is a great place to back stuff up and i i kind of feel like i wish it was better i wish it could be better you know that's all yeah no i i agree i do wish well what i wish is there was just more competition in the video space but much like the video space is much like the social media space where you need to hit a critical mass because why would you use the video platform that doesn't have the content you watch but why would somebody go and upload to a platform where people are not watching content yeah like this is how i feel about um i about our blue sky right now i don't know if you pay any attention to what happens in like the social media part of stuff

not really okay so um on twitter they announced they're going to change the way that blocks work and uh they're not going to be blocks anymore they're going to be mutes so a lot of people are going from blue uh going from twitter over to blue sky which is the platform that the uh original founder of Twitter went and made after leaving Twitter. And it's getting really popular, but the same thing happened a few months back with Mastodon. And the same thing has happened with our threads as well. But you need to get a lot of people over there to really, like you might have a small user base,

but you need to get a lot of people there to convince more people to join because, you know, network effect, right? Like you want, if you're going to post somewhere, you want people to see the post. Now, I don't really care because I don't, I basically just use it for like video announcements and stuff.

So I can make an account and everything and just like dump posts everywhere. Like that's fine for me. It takes an extra 10 seconds. But for an actual, like, users of the platform, you really need it to you know, expand to a point. And that's the problem

that, that's the problem that Odyssey's had, that's the problem that BitChute's had, that's the problem that any of these video platforms are going to have when it comes to competing with YouTube. Because YouTube, YouTube is synonymous with online video at this point. Yeah.

Yeah. It's just... It's wild. It is, but hey, it is what it is. It is, yeah. We're not going to change it. I am grateful for for the well the opportunities that that we get with all of our communities right like i mean who 10 15

years let's say 15 years ago would you be able to say you know confidently or or in your wildest dreams that you'd be able to you know reach such vast community, so many interested people in such a niche, of such a niche interest, which is Linux. I had a YouTube channel back then. No, the answer is no. Yeah, it's such a wild... It has its drawbacks, but it also has wonderful things

that I think a lot of us take for granted a little bit, being able to even do these types of videos and talking about Linux and talk to our communities and get them ready to make the switch or to learn something new or all this fun stuff that we get to share with all sorts of people all over the world. It's quite fascinating where we've come in the last 15 years. And I gotta say, it's been pretty cool. Well, on that note, on that positive note, I think we should end off the show there.

So let people know where they can find you. Only place is on YouTube. Savvy Nick, just type it in S A V V Y N I K. And you'll find me on YouTube. I do Linux content for the most part. Sometimes I'll throw a little bit of engineering software development. That's really it.

That's my corner. Yeah. You're, you're, software development um that's really it that's my corner yeah your your uh channel links are very bare compared to a lot of people's um nothing else you want to mention no brody thanks so much for your time and all this effort that you put in. We really enjoy your content here in the Linux community. I can definitely say so myself. I watch your videos as well. So thanks again for everything. And thanks for this opportunity to talk to you. And hopefully catch you in another one.

Yeah, absolute pleasure to have you on. So I'm going to do my outro and then we can sign off. So if you want to see my main channel, that is Brody Robertson. I do Linux videos there six-ish days a week. Go check that out. I've got the gaming channel, Brody on Games. I stream on YouTube and Twitch. I don't know what I'll be playing there.

Probably still Wukong. Maybe Kingdom Hearts 3 in the other slot. So go check that out. I've got a React channel as well, Brody Robertson Reacts, where I just upload clips from the stream. If you want to see just clips, go check that out as well. If you're watching the audio, if you're listening to the audio version of this,

you can find the video version on YouTube at Tech Over Tea. If you would like to find the audio version, it is on basically every podcast platform at Tech Over Tea. Put it in your favorite app. There is an RSS feed and yeah, you're good to go. I will give you the final word. What do you want to say? Thanks for watching.