Tech Over Tea - Just Git Gud At Linux | Reluctant Anarchist

Episode Date: October 11, 2024

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Good morning, good day, and good evening. I'm, as always, your host, Brodie Robertson. And today, we have someone on who, I don't know if you've seen a lot of his videos, but I have a feeling a lot of you've seen one in particular. I can't say the word in the title because YouTube is weird about monetization, but the Unix customization Reddit, subreddit, we'll say, from two years ago, that video just appeared out of nowhere. I thought it was a really good video. I actually had meant to reach out to you back when that came out, but I don't know, I must have completely forgot about it.

And then two years later, here we are. So welcome to the show, Reluctant Anarchist. How are you doing? Thanks show reluctant anarchist how you doing thanks uh thanks for having me i'm doing great absolute pleasure to have you on here um you just showed up in my discord like out and over i was like hey that's the guy yeah i was trying to reach out to make a i have an idea for a collaboration video i want to make a special video when I ask talented Linux YouTubers what gear do they use. It's coming in September, I think, but

no spoilers for today. I don't want to ask who's in it, but how many people have you managed to get in it, if you can say that? For today, 11 YouTubers said yes. Okay. Have you actually got 11 videos, though?

Not yet. You were the first, actually. Okay, okay. Yeah, getting people to... Well, getting people not just to reply back, but to then continue replying back to get everything you need. A lot of people are busy in their lives. They forget about things.

They've got other projects going on. Yeah, it can be a bit of a hassle sometimes. Yeah, I understand that. That's totally understandable. are busy in their lives they forget about things they've got other projects going on and yeah it can be yeah i understand that that's totally understandable i'm not expecting everyone to say yes i'm just i just want to build a bridge between me and other linux youtubers because our community isn't that big linux community is pretty big but not that big and i want to have a connection i want to i want to build a connection. I want to build a connection between everyone to have a sort of platform where everyone can speak freely and open their minds. Yeah, there's kind of like a couple of different versions of the Linux community because there

is the desktop space and this is a fairly small group. There's not really that many people in it. If you go out into like the server space, there's not really that many people in it if you go out into like the server space there's a lot more people talking about stuff like that sure you have a lot more like not channels maybe dedicated to it but you have like programming channels that would do occasional videos on it here and there and then there's also a part of it that's like the home automation side and like data storage side but these are all like kind of adjacent. They're not really directly what you would consider like when most people think of like Linux, YouTube, the Linux community, think of like desktop Linux people. Well, the thing is when people when people have their first taste of Linux some of them, actually most of them,

kind of make Linux a sort of a personality trait. I began using Linux when I was 21 years old, and it immediately felt refreshing. It felt great. And I sort of was, yo, if I'm using Linux, I think everyone would be happy to say that they are using Linux. So I think even though community isn't that big, I think even people who just use Linux for server work or who want to game on Linux, who want to edit videos on Linux, we all sort of connected.

And even I'm just editing videos on Linux and play video games, it's still interesting to listen to videos about some server stuff, about SendOS, Fedora, etc. You make a good point there about people turning Linux into a personality trait. I've heard a lot of people bring this up as a reason why they get turned away from Linux. They feel like, especially some of the more

extreme parts, are kind of culty with it. They're like, you have to use my distro. You have to use this specific desktop. And I can see why some people see that and like, I don't really want to get involved with that. And like, if I do anything slightly wrong, is someone going to get angry at me?

Like, I get why you'd be like weirded out by that. But really, who cares? I'm using Arch Linux with GNOME desktop, with vanilla GNOME. Who cares what I'm using? I'm using whatever I prefer and it works. I think where the issue comes is like when you're new to Linux and you don't really know

what's out there, it can be kind of confusing because everyone's going to say the thing that they're using is the best. It's like, oh, Arch with Hyperland is the best. Fedora with KDE is the best. Ubuntu with, maybe most people don't say Ubuntu with KDE is the best, Ubuntu with, maybe most people don't say Ubuntu with GNOME is the best, I don't know.

That was a joke, obviously. It can be hard when you're new, and you don't really know what different distros offer, what different desktops offer, to know who is saying the thing that's going to make sense for what you're trying to do.

True. I've recommended Linux to a couple of my friends. And in my... So the rule of thumb is to recommend first something like Linux Mint or PubOS. And if people say, well, that looks great. What can I try? Or what else can I try?

Then I recommend something like Arch Linux or Fedora because people who never used Linux before they had to use some sort of a third wheel bicycle with a third wheel because Linux sometimes can be too unfriendly I think. Yeah I think people like to overthink the beginner distros like oh should it be should it be this arch linux with hyperland i did arch linux with i3 as my first distro you can do it but i also was in like i had a programming background at that point like i was used to reading documentation so for me it was it was acceptable i want to say i want to say you have to be a spirited man you have to have a lot of motivation to do that well my motivation was i swapped at the start of a university semester so i had to work out very very quickly what i was doing but before i'd swapped i'd

probably watch like six months of videos on like how linux works how all these applications work like what applications to use. So for me, even though it was a sudden swap to Arch, I'd effectively done the distro hopping thing, but outsourced the distro hopping to people on YouTube. So, yeah, it wasn't like I go from nothing to Arch. That would be a bit different of a swap then. Sure, but nevertheless,

you have to try install it for the first time by yourself. That's different than looking on YouTube and having some sort of a brief overview. Yeah. That's interesting because the first district that I've installed myself was Ubuntu. Ubuntu 8. I brought the CD here.

Yeah, it's the Ubuntu, Ubuntu 8. I brought the CD here. Yeah, it's the Ubuntu CD that people gave to each other back in the days in the... like 20 years ago, I think. The thing is, ever since I was a kid, I was a PC enthusiast. My father bought his first PC

when I was three years old. A couple of years later, he showed me how to install Windows. The first PC when I was three years old. A couple of years later, he showed me how to install Windows. The first OS that I've installed was Windows. I think it was Windows Millennium. Then my older brother taught me how to build my first PC. And he has a friend who was, back at that day, a Linux enthusiast. And he gave us that Ubuntu CD. back at that day, Linux enthusiast. And he gave us that Ubuntu CD.

Back in that day, I was a PC enthusiast, but I was not an OS enthusiast. I didn't care what OS I used. I was more interested in video games, in video editing, and all sorts of stuff. So when we installed Ubuntu for the first time,

I was like, well, I can't play video games. I can't use my video editor. GIMP looks weird. We're going to reinstall Windows 7 back again or Windows XP. It was, I don't remember. But then in 2014, I've heard about SteamOS. I was intrigued by it. I had, back in the day, I had AMD,

full AMD desktop and I've installed it. It was a rough experience. I had poor performance in many video games, even with AMD GPUs, and I forget about it. And I forgot about it. But in 2016, I applied to a master's degree in university, and I had to buy a new laptop. I was on extreme budget, and I bought an extremely cheap Asus laptop with two or four gigs of RAM. And it came with Windows 10 pre-installed and it was a horrible experience.

I had like thoughts of ads popping out from everywhere, third-party apps pre-installed. And when I tried to install Windows 7 on it, most of the drivers didn't work. So even if I would install them manually, they still didn't work. So even if I would install them manually, they still didn't work. So I had to try Linux. I've heard about Linux a lot by that day. So I decided to give it a try and installed Ubuntu.

And it worked. It worked magically great. It worked fine. I had everything working out of the box. And I was like, yeah, that's great. Why I still use Windows on my main PC. And then I got into Linux. I tried DistroHopping on that old laptop. I tried Linux Mint. I tried PapOS and I tried Fedora. And then I've decided to install Linux on my main PC. I've tried, I started with PapOS and then transitioned to Arch because Pop! OS is great, but sometimes it feels kind of, I don't know how to say it, old Pop! OS felt a little bit sluggish, stutterish, I don't know.

So Arch is my final destination, I think. I'm using Arch for two or three years now on my main desktop PC, on my main production PC and it works great. It's funny that you mentioned Windows ME before let me let me grab something funny. Yeah, yeah, I've shown this before so anyone who's seen it before is gonna be sick of it but... Here we have a, uh, here we have a book, um, a very important book. This is, uh, this is flipped on the capture that I'm seeing on my side, but this is the complete- No, it looks great, yeah. No, on my- so, Discord's weird.

It shows me a flipped version, but it shows you it correctly. Yeah, it did. For anyone who can't read backwards, this is the Complete Idiot's Guide to Windows ME. It is everything, every possible thing you could need to know about Windows ME.

I paid $5 for that. It's funny because back in, I think, 20 years ago, every book about computers started with the Idiot's Guide. In Russian, in Russia, every book started with the title for chaynikov, means for kettles, for dummies. Windows for dummies, Linux for dummies, and etc. Windows for dummies, Linux for dummies, and etc. Hey, I'm happy to see that even just that little thing is a cross-cultural thing. It's extremely common.

You have no idea what you're doing with a computer. Just here's a thing. But that's part of mentality. That's a part of mentality because when you see a computer for the first time, you're thinking about yourself like, oh, I can't do that. Linux is too hard for me. I'm not ready to install Windows. I'm a dummy myself.

So the books 20 years ago, they did the great job by saying, hey, I know that you think about yourself in very bad terms, but here you are. Here's your first step that you can do. That's actually great. So right now you are on Arch. And you've been on there for like three years. So you were saying before you're on Vanilla Gnome. Yeah, I'm using Vanilla Gnome with probably two or three extensions

to bloom a background and to change the color of the top bar. But other experiences, pretty much vanilla. Okay, okay. So what is the vanilla Gnome experience like? I've used a little bit in like virtual machines, right? I've maybe used it for like a couple hours, and that was like a couple of years back. A lot of people say they rely on extensions like, you know, Dash to Dock and things like that. Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah. Well, the experience really depends because the experience is pretty smooth, but except that you have some minor inconveniences, minor problems happening from time to time.

And the biggest problem with that minor inconvenience is that you can't really tell what's causing them. I mean uh you have a new update you have a little bit sort of starter happening when you press super key on your keyboard and you have to pinpoint what causes it because it might be a part of gnome it might be caused by an a pro a problematic extension it might be caused by the amd gpu it might be caused by whatever. Or it might be caused by NVIDIA drivers. So my rule of thumb, I have to wait for a week. If the problem disappears by itself,

it means that it was part of a new update. It was a problem caused by the new update. And if it doesn't go away, I try to disable my extensions manually. And usually it works. Usually. Nine times out of ten. I try to disable my extensions manually and usually it works. Usually? Usually. Nine times out of ten.

But otherwise, it works great. Again, I'm using it as my main production machine and it works really great. What drew you to GNOME? I'm sorry? What brought you to GNOME? What appealed to you? Ah, well... When people talk about... when people argue what's better, Hyperland or KD or GNOME, they often have some sort of arguments like,

Oh, KD is 20% faster or Hyperland allows you to tile things. It's not about me. I use GNOME because I really like the way it looks. I just like the aesthetics of GNOME. I just like the minimal, the blank look of it. It's just, it's really minimal. You only have a top bar and that's it. So I kind of like that. I kind

of like that it looks different from Windows. It was part of the, I think it's part of that personality trait that we talked about before, because when I think about operating systems, when I think about Windows, it sounds familiar to me, but the minimal look of GNOME, the way GNOME looks,

it sort of, it looks a bit alien to me, you know? So it makes it like a clearly different thing in your mind yeah yeah and that's why i like it right i have heard that as like a one of the reasons not to recommend something like cinnamon or like zorin os things like that because they're very similar looking to windows so you might fall into traps of thinking that it is Windows and trying to do things in a Windows way. Yeah, but it works both ways. I mean, when I recommend Linux Mint to my friends, I recommend it to them because I know that they will be able to find the way around it. Because if you use vanilla GNOME and Tweaks application isn't

installed, you have no way to change the keyboard layout to switch languages. What? So in GNOME settings, there is no option to change a shortcut to switch language. You cannot change the

shortcut to switch languages to switch languages, to switch inputs, without GNOME Tweaks utility. Okay, sure. So when you recommend Vanilla GNOME to your friend and he's asking how to switch an input layout, you have to, by default, you have to press super plus space to switch languages, and everyone is used to Alt Shift. So when you recommend Van you look down to people and they say how how can i change the layout i say i say you have to install

a separate utility to change it and they were like what why why it's so why it acting so weird yeah but that's that's what we have for today. Huh. Yeah, I haven't messed around with input layout stuff in a little bit. I had it working back on X11, but not working... Oh, but I haven't set it up on Wayland. Mm-hmm. Huh. Sure. I think I had used SuperSpace when I was using it. I think I was the default in FCITX. Huh. That's dumb. That's really dumb.

Many people come from Windows. On Windows the default option is Alt plus Shift. And people expect Alt plus Shift to work on Linux. But it doesn't. And if you're using Wayland, GNOME and Wayland still act a little bit weird, so the little icon that shows you the current language layout, it still shows it doesn't switch when you press Alt Shift on Linux, if you set it on the tweak menu. On the GNOME tweaks menu. But it's fine. It's fine because I understand that I don't want to

bash GNOME developers for little bugs because they are doing a great job. They made a desktop environment that looks great, that works fine. It works actually great, but some things should be ironed out for

to make it even more popular. And I'm grateful to them. I'm grateful to what they were able to achieve. Yeah, Gnome is in the position where it's been the default on a lot of distros for a very long time because a big part of the reason is KDE's just been... been firstly it's been very

difficult to package like kde has a lot of a lot of pack like individual packages whereas gnome has a lot more of the big blocks of everything also the kde release cycles just not existed like there's just not been a release cycle for KDE. Whereas Gnome has that six-month release cycle that, you know, is perfect for things like Ubuntu and Fedora. And KDE is trying to resolve that. And I hope that as they do that, as they get these issues ironed out, more distros at least consider it as an option.

Because also KDE had an issue where, like, this is the other part of the release model where the app I think was the applications and the libraries were on a different release schedule so you would have an updated version of the apps but the libraries would then need to be updated with like a minor release afterwards to make sure everything's up to date properly it's a nightmare well uh the other problem with kde that it looks uh it looks no offense but it looks like it was designed by programmers i mean uh you have to really tweak it to make it look really great the default kd experience is not my cup of tea the other problem with kde is my understanding is there is like four different styling engines being

used in the configuration of KDE um there is a, there was a talk that happened at Academy last weekend um, if you can find it in the 40 hours of footage without timestamps I think it was um

I think it's called Union the Future Styling on KDE where what they're basically trying to do is create a central point of truth for their styling engine and basically all the KDE apps are just going to pull from this, which

obviously short term is going to be an issue but like long term once all of the apps are ironed out, once all the apps are ported it's effectively going to be like Libidwaiter but KDE also keeping a lot more of the customization that you expect from KDE

also it should, yeah that would be great it should alleviate some of the issues where you have certain KDE apps that are respecting styling but other ones that are not if everything's pulling from the same thing it should be easier then yeah should be but uh there is one thing that i like about keyd that that doesn't uh there is no such thing on gnome is global menu i love the way uh the global menu

looks i love the way global menu works and the gnome has this top bar that is mostly empty and it would be i would be extremely happy to see the global mini on it i think it's not coming on gnome but nevertheless and kitty has the global mini and it and it looks great it works great also there have been extensions to do global menus over the years but I don't think there's an extension. No, not yet. Right now. It doesn't work today. Yeah, it's not working properly

and most applications doesn't support it. It just has the blank page. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's the problem. You can make an extension, but you then need apps that are exporting the menus so they can be populating it. Because I think the extensions would work

with some of the older GNOME apps. During GTK3, I believe, they worked just fine. And if you're running some KDE apps, but the modern GNOME stuff, I don't believe exports stuff to work like that anyway. So you can't do it, really. Sure, yeah. And the GTK3 apps, some of them have uh menu on top of it already so it will it will um display two menus which which looks weird yeah yeah do you have experience using mac os because i've never i i've used mac os my no

you just like little menus i i i've never used macOS before. I didn't have a MacBook in my entire life. But I can admit that I like the way it looks. I kind of like the way of global menu on Mac. Yeah, I used Mac during... I want to say

Snow Leopard. So it's been a little bit now. Maybe like 10 or so years maybe even longer um i'd never even really thought about the global menu i was like oh that's cool like it's it's just something that's just there on mac and every app just supports it so it's kind of just it kind of just is just how mac works but yeah i don't know i never really missed it when I left because I'd used Windows for most of my life before that anyway yeah, and Apple

has the authority to force developers to support global menus but on Linux, especially on GNOME, we don't even have the window top bars by default yeah, that's a problem but again, that's fine, that's completely fine I mean, yeah, that's a problem, but that's fine because that's a problem again that's fine that's completely fine i mean yeah that's a

problem but that's fine uh because uh it's a free system it's it's developed mostly by enthusiasts so i kind of like the way that we got here to this uh to this glorious desktop that looks extremely great extremely pleasant i look it fine i'll give you fine, I do have issues with it, I do have honestly my biggest issue with it is the fact you can't force developers to support this, like devs are

the only reason that Gnome doesn't look entirely broken is having some sort of fallback there is just a sensible thing to have in a toolkit just in case something breaks if the toolkits didn't have client-side decorations as a fallback like it would be a much worse state and you see this in cases where apps use like custom versions of

toolkits like in a DaVinci where it just doesn't render any bar at all. You can't do anything with the app. Yeah, but that's surprising. The keyd looks extremely fine. Yeah, they have a full back for it. Yeah, I mean that despite that DaVinci Resolve doesn't use a custom

decoration, it still looks right on GNOME. When you maximize the window, it looks amazingly well. As long as it's maximized, just don't unmaximize it. Yeah, but it's a video editor. You don't want to unmaximize it anyway. I don't know. If you're using an ultra-wide,

you might not want it to be taking up the entire screen. Yeah, that's the case. I have a 32-inch monitor sitting in front of me. And anyway, I have to maximize it because when I edit my YouTube shots, it's just too tall to not be maximized. Right, right, right. You have a 32-inch monitor. Yeah.

It actually works great. I am a single monitor setup guy. I use only one monitor. I love to... You know, it doesn't support tiling, but you can drag Windows to the left side, to the right side. It works great.

Yeah, Windows snapping works great, and it's fine for me. Why the one monitor? I don't know anyone who goes out of their way to just use one. I use NVIDIA GPU. I use NVIDIA GPU, and multi-monitor setup doesn't work. monitor i i don't know anyone who goes out of their way to just use i use nvidia gpu i use nvidia gpu and multi-monitor setup it doesn't work what okay this is a this is a new issue i've not heard with nvidia explain the issue with multi-monitor i use nvidia gpu i use x11 i still

use x11 because wayland still have some weird issues happening from time to time. And because of that, when I enable multi-monitor setup and I plug different monitor with different resolution, it works weird. I cannot set different multipliers to different monitors. So let's say the

basic monitor isn't maximized at all, but second monitor, which is full HD, should be maximized at all, but second monitor, which is full HD, should be maximized to 20%. Right, right. 150%. And GNOME and X11 can't do that. You have to maximize them to the same settings. Right, okay.

Scaling is broken. Yeah, scaling is broken. And for some reason, when I plug two or more monitors, V-Sync disappears entirely. Yep, yep. That's a general X1111 problem that's not a gnome problem when i was using window windows like four or six years ago i was using multi-monitor setup but nowadays it's just it's just it it's just one single monitor setup which i uh which which works fine for me it is a 32 inch monitor so I have plenty of space to do all my stuff

yeah the v-sync thing yeah it's one of the issues that I one of the reasons why I'm not on Xorg at this point it's a long known issue that

freesync or any other sort of vSync as well, a lot of mixed refresh rates on some configurations don't work. It's Xorg. Xorg, let me explain something. Xorg was written in... It's based on X36, so it's written in the 90s. And most of the big changes for Xorg stopped around 2006-2007. Now, in 2006-2007, FreeSync didn't exist.

High refresh rate monitors didn't exist. A bunch of the things we use now did not exist. It turns out, if you have a system that's designed before these things exist, sometimes things don't work in ways you would expect them to. I'm sorry, there's something with the connection. Oh. I can see you right now. I've heard most of the part about X-Hawk, but can you hear me?

Yeah, I can hear you fine. Yeah. Yeah, that's great. You froze for a second on my side.? Yeah, I can hear you fine. Yeah, that's great. You froze for a second on my side. I wasn't sure what was happening there. Yeah, that's great. That's fine. Maybe it wasn't on my side. Yeah, X.Org is weird, but Wayland isn't ready yet.

Yeah, I would be happily wait for another 6 months or 12 months before switching to it completely. i'm excited to switch to wayland completely i think i use wayland on my steam deck yeah uh game scope game scope yeah it is good yeah sure yeah sure but but when you have to switch to the desktop mode it switches to wayland i think i think that mode is X11 I'm not sure I'm not sure, I'm actually not certain myself

I think it switches to Wayland to support desktop mode, all sorts of applications in desktop mode but Steam Deck is based on AMD system on chip full screen game, so yeah Steam Deck gaming mode, that's Wayland, the desktop mode is x11

but it will be changing to wayland wow wow uh that's interesting yeah that's that's at least what i'm reading here i'm not it's not like yeah maybe maybe someone will correct us in the comments here uh uh yeah but uh on my main desktop desktop pc well and isn't ready i will be happy to switch to it but not yet i'm still using x11 in 2024 and uh there is a meme that next year is going to be the year of linux desktop and here i am in 2024 using x11 on my main production machine what issues do you still have with wayland at this point i obviously i know there's been nvidia issues up until fairly recent drivers i don't know if you still have nvidia issues or i yeah i didn't try the wayland after switching to for to the new drivers i didn't try the wayland yet, but back in the day it was all sorts of issues. It

was weird graphical artifacts. When I first tried Wayland, I wasn't able to switch resolution higher than, I think, 4x3. There was no 16x9 support. Yeah, it was weird, but again, I don't want to criticize Wayland developers because they are doing their work, not for free, but they're doing the work because they wanted to. They wanted to do, and I feel only gratitude to them, and I'm waiting for the final release. Not final, but table release, let's say. So right now, what issues still exist for your system? Obviously, those were the old issues, but what do you still not resolve?

Well, on Wayland or on X11? On Wayland. Yeah, what issues does Wayland still have for you? I think I need to try it because I didn't try it since the 555 drivers came in. Yeah, I need to try it to say properly what issues do I have. And yeah, I think I try to say to say properly. What issues do I have and Yeah, I think I think I should make a video about it

Yeah, definitely. It seems like it's worth a video especially if you weren't sure on It look if it's if it works great now. Hey, that's definitely worth a video if it's still terrible Yeah, hey, that's worth videos. Well, you can say like yeah, I've been using I've been using Wayland on my second laptop, on my studio laptop. And studio laptop has AMD GPU baked inside. Not baked inside. It has AMD APU. And Wayland on it works great. Just works great. But I still have some minor GNOME bugs.

Like when you press Alt plus Shift combination, there is no... The language icon doesn't switch, but that's really minor. If it's switching the keyboard, but not switching the icon, you're still getting the functionality. Yeah, it's switching keyboard. I'm still getting the full functionality, but the icon that visualizes the change

doesn't switch from English to Russian. Right, right. That makes sense. Yeah, that is a fairly minor change. Yeah. And the thing is, when you press Super Plus Space, it does, it changes. Okay, so it's probably an issue with how GNOME Tweaks is handling it, or what GNOME is exposing for it to change it? Yeah, it problems with Gnome tweaks and the fact that Gnome relies on Gnome tweaks

to make a desktop actually working, it's so weird. Yeah, the whole Gnome tweaks thing is so weird to me. Yeah, it should be included in the base settings, yeah. I've said this before, but I really wish that Gn looked i know gnome has like a vision for their desktop that's that's totally fine right but i really wish gnome looked at like what popular things people were doing and if like if you have a million downloads on dash to dock

for example what actually you're not going to the number. It's probably more than that Dash to dog. I think it's more. Yeah, it's probably way more can know That has a lot more 8.2 million downloads if you have extensions. Yeah, if you have extensions like this It doesn't make any sense to me that it wouldn't be in your base set. And same with like Gnome tweaks. Like if you have things like this... Nonsense, we should change layout and broke the extension. And break the extension.

That's nonsense you're talking about. Or like just any of these basic things. Like if they exist and they're so popular, it just doesn't make sense to me that it's not part of the core set. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's true. That's true because if people like to use Dash to Dog or they like to use other extensions,

it means that they dislike the choice that was made by GNOME developers. And for example, in the vanilla GNOME, when you press super key overview overview window is it's just like one one color It's like single color single dark gray color that kind of pushes at you Oh another issue I think it froze Do we lose him Ah I think him? I think we might have lost him. Or I disconnected? It says I'm connected... Wait, is that my side that's having an issue?

It says it's connected here. Um. I'm going to stop the recording for a moment. We'll cut back to this. Okay. The recording is going once again. I don't remember what you were talking about. Yeah. I was talking about extensions.

I was talking about that. By default on ground. When you press super key. you have the overview window. And overview window by default is just single color, dark gray color. It's quite daunting to look at. And when you have a beautiful wallpaper, when you have like sort of mountain wallpaper

or landscape wallpaper, you want to have this wallpaper blurred in the background. So that's, blur my background is quite a popular extension in GNOME. Oh, is that what that one does? I hear people talk about that extension, but I've never actually used it. It makes GNOME way more beautiful than it is by default. And still, it's not included in the default settings.

I understand that gnome developers have their own vision i respect them for their vision but uh i need some extensions to make my desktop even more fancier for myself i thought it's 23 million downloads no 2.3 million millions no two millions no 2.3 i i read the number wrong that's still a lot that's a lot 2 million people 2 million not 2 million people but 2 million downloads that's a lot on the um on the website it doesn't separate the number it's just that like there's no like commas or dots between it so it's just the all the numbers in a line i i yeah that was my bad. 2.3 is a lot. You have to count zeros. Yeah, that's a lot.

That's a lot, and that's what people want to see in their desktops. I understand. Well, there is one point to make that GNOME is a default DE because it comes with a lot of server distros, and server distros needs to be as lightweight as possible, I think. I believe that's why they disabled it by default, so if you want to have an extra fancy settings, you will enable it by yourself. But still, I am a desktop Linux user, Still, I am a desktop Linux user.

I want my desktop to be as fancy as possible. No, I definitely agree. It does make sense. Okay, I can understand not including some of the extensions. A lot of the stuff I'm seeing in here... Yeah, a lot of the stuff I'm seeing in here are things that are kind of just sensible like customizing lock screen a clock on the lock screen or yeah uh add a add a category based menu for applications so yeah yeah application menu is yeah that's wild. Yeah. By default, application menu looks extremely weird.

I mean, if you have apps pinned to your dash, it disappears from the application menu by default. Okay. So if you decided to open overview settings to find something that you forgot that you put in the dashboard or to your doc you will not be able to find it by default that's that's weird that's not how let's say if you came if you come in from windows that's not how the uh pin to the taskbar works yeah you can pin you can pin your app to your startup but you can still search it manually in your start

menu. But on GNOME it works differently and it's not it's fine but it's not user friendly when it comes to beginners. What do you think is the most downloaded? I had it on popularity not

downloads. What do you think is the most downloaded GNOME extension? Because it's probably not going. What do you think is the most downloaded GNOME extension? Because it's probably not going to be something you expect. Is it something... Is it a... My guess is that it disables overview window when you launch your PC. Disable overview... Disable overview window when you launch your pc disable overview um disable overview window when you

yeah on gnome previously you when you launch your pc you have not your uh not your desktop screen but your overview screen oh oh i didn't know that um no no that's not what it is i think i think i think disable overview is enabled by default on Arch. Arch comes with Vanilla Gnome, but it also has a couple of extensions pre-installed. Right, right. What I'll say is Dash to Dock is in second place. There is something more popular than Dash to Dock.

And what's the first? And what is it? It is something called Argos. What's that? Exactly. That's what I thought. So I'll send you the link to it so it's an extension for basically creating like little menus in the gnome launcher or the gnome

panel uh-huh this has what is that 13.8 million download? I have never heard of this extension I've never heard of that too Like that's weird How is how is this the most popular if anyone's watching this section? Do you know about who is downloading this? Like I've never heard of this Tell us in the comments, please. Yeah, I've never heard of this tell us in the comments please yeah i've never heard about that but the thing that i uh i love gnome because it's minimal i love gnome because it's sort of empty it has nothing uh in the desktop it has no desktop

icons it has uh not that many things in a menu bar on top. So I've never used that. I've never had the need to add the application to my top bar. But on the Ubuntu, I think you have the ability to add software to your top bar, like Steam does. Steam adds itself when you have Steam. When Steam is launched, you can access it via the little icon on the right. Oh, yeah, it has an app tree.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, the whole app tree thing is... Actually, what number is that on the right has an app tree. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, the whole app tree thing is... Actually, what number is that on the list? That is... 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. That is 10th place. Adding the...

So, no, I'm not gonna... Ubuntu has an implementation of the app tree they specifically use for Ubuntu. That is the 10th most downloaded extension. App trays are a weird one. Like, I understand why Gnome has an issue with them, because... Yeah, it requires app to support it in the first place. Also, that area was never supposed to be, like, an area for applications. What it was supposed to be like a area for applications.

What it was supposed to be is for like temporary notifications, but developers like Discord, for example, they just add an icon there or Steam, they just add an icon there where it doesn't really, like if that icon wasn't there, nothing would really change. Like the app would just work the exact same way. Yeah, well, I think if there is a malicious application that can cause troubles

and it will be creating icons to mimic settings or other GNOME menus, it can be dangerous for newcomers. it can be dangerous to use that application i understand why they disable it but uh the fact that this is a tense tense popular applica tense popular extension on the gnome website says a lot a lot of people a lot of people relies on it the only one in here that i understand not wanting to add is uh user themes because they just don't want to have theming. That's understandable that you would not want. Well, the default at Vita looks

fine. It looks, I would say, great, but for most people it's fine because if you have a light theme, it's just blank white. If everything is white out there, well, yeah, it looks great, but the problem with G GTK4 is that GTK3 apps, they're not white. They are sort of beige, light gray, light brown color.

And when you have beautiful GTK4 apps and something old that uses GTK3, it looks so weird. It's like my pet peeve, you know? Yeah, no no that's understandable I know there are themes where you can like apply a limited way to look to the GTK3 apps as well yeah I use macOS like

custom themed to the old GTK3 applications it looks fine too yeah so going down the list of the top extensions so besides argos which we don't know what the hell that is uh second is dash to dock which is understandable sure uh third user themes fourth is dash to panel which is in a fairly similar case to dash to dock yeah sort of sort of yeah i would i would probably use dash to panel myself like that's that's my uh that's my sort of style uh next is open weather

this adds a little weather thing into your um yeah uh what do you call it into the panel the top bar yeah i'd pass it i did that if i need to check the weather if i just don't want to look outside uh i just open my phone like yeah it's not that for me that's not that big of a deal um then is apps menu this is the one that adds the category based menus applications uh then is blur my shell so the one to add the really nice looking glow backgrounds. Next is Caffeine. This disables the screensaver and auto-suspend. Yeah. Sound input and output device... wait, what?

Well, sound... well, right now on GNOME 46 you can choose your input and output. Let me see. Yeah, I can choose what sound output and what sound input. I may choose between my webcam or my microphone. Yeah, but it wasn't existing before, I think. Or maybe it adds some optional functionality to that extra functionality yeah it looks like that's what it does and then

the 10th one is the app tray that we've mentioned before the rest of them are like starting to become like you know they're popular things but they're not like things that everybody's gonna install. You've got things like GS Connect, Arc Menu...

Uh... It's... Removable... It's... Yeah. Wait, GNOME doesn't have like a built-in thing in the bar for removable drives? Yeah. Why?

It does not. That's the way it is. Okay, sure. That's one that I don't understand how it's not part of GNOME. You need to feel it. It's not about logical solutions. You need to feel that way of using your PC. You need to feel that.

You need to launch a files app and then to manipulate with your external drives. Sure. Okay. That's just the way it is. That's one that I don't understand. The other ones I can see there being some debate, but that's such a basic functionality

that I don't understand how it's not there. That's why I'm saying that I'm not the type of guy who argues about GNome versus keyd because there is no reasonable argument for using gnome it's just it's just pure aesthetics to me oh you know what that's fair that's fair that's fair but but I'm nevertheless I'm using gnome and every video that I publish to my channel I use gnome in that video so yeah it's my cup of tea yeah no if it works for you absolutely keep using it like this this is something a lot of people misunderstand when I'm like critical of GNOME or critical of KDE or critical of Cosmic now like I'm not calling you

a bad person for using it like you use whatever fits your use case. Like, it's okay. I don't have to like everything that you like. Yeah, but we are on the internet. And so if you are criticizing what I'm using, I must get angry right now and type a lot of sorts of nasty stuff to your comments, into your comment section. Yeah. Yeah.

This goes back to what we were saying earlier about, like, Linux being a personality trait, Linux being kind of trait, Linux being kind of culty in some ways but it's not exclusive to Linux, yeah, like we have console wars raging right now, we have people arguing Android versus iPhone

we have people arguing over car brands and etc, if you invested yourself emotionally or financially into something, you will expect other people respect your choice otherwise you will you will get angry that's how people work i think yeah yeah i get it right like it's it's like a core human thing like you're not on my team therefore you're bad you're from the tribe over there therefore Therefore, you're an enemy. Yeah, that's basically it.

I don't know. Like, it would be nice if people recognized when they're doing this. Because a lot of people that just, like, they just, I don't know. They don't really think about the way they're acting. Like, they don't think about, like, oh, is there a reason why this other person doesn't like what I'm using is there like some value in what they're using maybe there's something about the usage that I've just not really thought about like a lot of you just don't think critically about their choices I would rather put it in a different way I think

it's a it's a matter of self-esteem because when you criticize gnome you're not criticizing my choice you're-esteem because when you criticize GNOME, you're not criticizing my choice. You're criticizing GNOME. When you criticize KDE, you're not criticizing someone else's choice. You criticize KDE. And when people hear that someone criticizes KDE and think, well, Brody thinks I'm a bad person

because I'm using this, it's a matter of self-esteem. A lot of people need to get their self-esteem high to be able to enjoy what they use. And I'm not saying that I have high self-esteem, but I enjoy using GNOME. I enjoy using whatever I use. And that's part of my Linux journey.

No, I get it, right? I do get it. It's just, I wish more people thought about, like, thought about falling into this trap, thought about the way they're they're approaching things because I think there's a lot of people out there that just like blindly like defend things they blindly use things they're really like they've made to this choice and they don't really think about the

choice after that yeah and copium tastes great, right? It definitely does. Speaking of Copium, have you tried Cosmic yet? Yes, I tried it in the virtual machine, and I think it's great.

It's an alpha, so a lot of functionality doesn't work. I wasn't able to try App Center. I was expecting great App Center because Carl Rochelle said that he finds it's more efficient to update the system through the App Center, not through the command line. Carl is the least biased person you could ever ask about Cosplay. Yeah, I understand that. The CEO of System76. Yeah, I understand that. The CEO of System76.

Yeah, I get that. But I was excited to try it out. And I think it looks great. I think the theming options that they built in is great. I like the terminal. I like their Raspbase fast terminal. But I think I would rather wait for the final release to give it a proper review. Right, right.

I would rather wait for the final release to give it a proper review. Right, right. Yeah, I think it's getting to a point where I'm considering daily driving it, but there's a lot of issues that I'm running across. I did a two and a half hour stream over the weekend, just going over just issues and features that I think really should be added that maybe aren't like like there's obvious things they're going to be adding

like oh there's no user settings right now and things like that but more like things behaving in a way that don't entirely make sense like right now so in a tiling window manager you can change like your the window you have focused with your keyboard right and when you spawn a new window like that window is automatically going to be given focus now the problem is with the way it

currently works is it puts your cursor in the top left-hand corner of the window. Ah. So a lot of other window managers put it in the middle. So I and a lot of other people have this muscle memory of, you're in the middle, so start moving upwards. But if you move upwards, you're suddenly off the window. And if there's a window behind that, that window is now going to take focus.

Yeah, that sucks. It's such an easy thing to fix, though. Yeah, it's a minor bug, yeah. All those other things, like... How do you like doing your... Does Gnome have options for how focus works? Or do you have to click on a window to give that window focus? I have click or press Alt-Tab to switch between windows, yeah. Okay.

On KDE, you have the option of... When you move your mouse over a window that window is automatically given focus Oh, yeah, you know pass that options, but it's the fate, but it's disabled by default and I don't like that I don't like focus on hover. Yeah, I like to click I like to be sure which window is active right now because I rely on the hotkeys and hotkeys are Updependent. Yeah, right. Okay understandable is active right now because i rely on the hotkeys and hotkeys are app dependent yeah right okay understandable um yeah cosmic recently added a focus on hover the problem is they're focused on hover there's right now a delay and this is a built-in delay they they added so they added a 250 millisecond delay so it just feels laggy because of that and that's an easy one to fix like that's

literally just an integer they've set to 250 just set it to zero and it's fine yeah um but the issue right now with how the focus works is when you hover over a window that window is also put on top so if you hover over a window and you move it to another window, then suddenly windows are just like randomly switching around the place. And it just, it looks again, looks kind of buggy. The way KDE gets around this is you have the option of not putting the window on top. So the window gets focused, but until you click on it, it's not put on top. And this is the way that I like it.

This is the way that a lot of trailers work. And I hope Cosmic gets that added as well because that will make it the way focus works and all of this stuff like that it's a minor thing, but

when it's not working the way you expect, it really feels off. And it feels like working the way you expect, it really feels off. And it feels like there's something wrong with the desktop. On System76, they sell a lot of laptops. And I think the way you describe it works will be nightmarish on laptops. Because if you have your finger to move around,

you have to do a lot of legwork or fingerwork to switch between apps. Yeah, there's also just because they just added a couple of days ago, there's other random bugs. Yeah, it would be fine. I think if you move your cursor between monitors, the first window you move to is not given focus. The focus doesn't work on the other monitor it's just a bug so yeah it sounds weird it's definitely weird i'm not the only person who's noticed it um i think they kind of just threw the implementation together just to have something

there but haven't really thoroughly tested it again it, it's an alpha. That's the point of the alpha. Like with the alpha, they're not doing any engineering testing for things. They're just like throwing it in there. Yeah. And I have huge respect for System76 for actually developing their own desktop environment and not building their system on top of existing one.

Right, right, right right it's huge it's huge because uh yeah um free software we have we basically have no competition in free software have gnome which is a default option in 99% distros big big major distros i think kde comes on only with uh open susa and manjaro and that's it on big distros there's like other art based things like Endeavor and things like that but major distros well there is

Fedora KDE and a Kubuntu but like the main version of it yeah that's probably it yeah so the GNOME and KDE are two mainly default options for Linux enthusiasts. And to see the third option being so great and being so... Actually, it looks great.

I think Cosmic looks great, and I really hope they would be able to finalize their vision into something really exciting yeah, from what I've all the times I've spoken with the System76 guys and all the bug reporting I've done it seems like they have some

good ideas and they're really receptive to feedback at least so far I've not run into any crazy things that have just been like outright denied um I think the only thing that I disagree

with on one of their directions is they don't want to have a dedicated full screen button so they have maximize but they don't want to add a separate one for full screen they feel like you have to press well but they don't want to add a separate one for full screen. They feel like...

You have to press... Well, I think I'm using... I used to press double clicks on the top bar to maximize, but you're talking not about the maximization, you're talking about the full screen. Yeah, yeah. So, let's say in um in actually a good example is a web browser so when you full so when you maximize a web browser you can still see the

top bar when you full screen on the top bar yeah yeah on gnome no you can you can just press f11 and you will no this is what i'm saying That's full screening Maximize you can still see the top bar Full screening in a browser It hides those elements Yes And the logic in Cosmic is Apps that need full screening Should have a built in way

To handle full screening It shouldn't be up to the desktop to Force them into full screen And I understand the logic they have there uh i'm curious i'm not gamed on cosmic so i'm curious to see if any games behave weirdly by not having a dedicated full screen button because sometimes games in proton jump out of full screen and the only way to put them back into it is to force them in the desktop yeah and actually i think steam now ships with the it allows you to force window to to be uh set to certain resolution on to certain window mode so i think they're going to be fine but

they have incentive they're again they're selling uh desktops and laptops they have incentive, again they're selling desktops and laptops, they have incentive to build Cosmic into something great, into something usable and I think they're competent to do so I have huge respect for System76 for what they did with PapOS I think PapOS is way better than Ubuntu for the newcomers

for those who use Linux for the first time and I've recommended pop OS to i think half percent of my friends and other to other friends who recommended linux mint because they're both great right yeah i think the the trap a lot of people fall into with ubuntu is if you have a new gpu and like a really new gpu and you're maybe like a year or so into an LTS that's when you start seeing problems sure yeah but well we disconnecting again?

What is going on with Discord today? I love this. I love this program. We good? Yeah, we good. We good. Yeah. This is a mess today.

I've never had Discord be this bad. That's fine. Nothing will stop us from having great conversation. I've been saying that Linux isn't... When we're talking about LTS distros, there are lots of hardware support in this, not just GPUs. For example, I'm a

camera guy. I like taking photos. Recently, I bought my new camera to take photos with and if you have an LTS distro, I think if you have ARCH by the way you can't edit new RAW formats like

RW2 from the Lumix because the support for those RAW formats hasn't been added to the you too from the Lermix because they are not, the support for those raw formats are not hasn't been added to the dark table and raw therapy there is no option for that and when you use LTS distro I think

people like to call LTS distro stable, I don't, I think they are just they are stuck in time and the really stable distro is Arch because Arch allows you to access

new hardware while being reliable to you I think Pop!OS is the best of both worlds where you get a lot of new drivers but it doesn't really matter if Grub is out of date no, it doesn't matter if SystemDub is out of date. No.

It doesn't matter if SystemD or the GNU toolkit's out. Not really. For the average user, it's not really a big deal. Sure, sure. And the way that they've got it set up really is suitable for... GPUs are obviously the big thing. Yes, obviously you have other things people care about, but there's a reason why people recommend pop west specifically like people with a gaming use case yeah and you can download you can download it pop up with the uh nvidia

drivers too which it's actually a nightmare to to explain to a newcomer how to install drivers in fedora and if you install linux you have two options you have two options to install new drivers or proprietary drivers and when people install linux for the first time they have no idea what's the difference between them yeah yeah like the fact that i i get why fedora is like that because they're like they've got some licensing restrictions about why they, but like if you recommend Fedora

to a new user and they have Nvidia, like they have to go and read a blog post just to have basic things functioning and like it's just, Fedora's a great distro but it's really do you remember the period where there was a lot of Linux YouTubers who were like, Fedora's a great distro but it's really

do you remember the period where there was a lot of Linux YouTubers who were like Fedora is the new Ubuntu it's like no, please don't please don't recommend it like that well it's true, I think Fedora is great

but it's not suitable for beginners it's far, but it's not suitable for beginners. It's far from that. It deploys with vanilla GNOME, which isn't beginner-friendly. It doesn't install NVIDIA drivers. It doesn't come with NVIDIA drivers. And these two problems can cause a lot of psychological damage to the new user. Yeah. Well, the issue with GNOME, you could just recommend Fedora KDE,

but if they have NVIDIA GPU, like... Yeah. If they have NVIDIA GPU, nothing's going to save them. True, true. If they're using a laptop that only has like an integrated Intel or AMD APU or they've got an AMD GPU in their system it's a lot

we would still have to deal with vanilla GNOME well sure but again you could recommend Fedora KDE or one of the others yeah but I don't think speaking of Fedora GNOME I'm not sure if GNOME Tweaks is pre-installed on Fedora probably isn't it isn't pre-installed on Fedora. Probably isn't. It isn't pre-installed on Ubuntu.

It's only pre-installed on Arch. So you have to explain to somebody who's new that they have to install a separate utility. That will turn them away from Linux. I'm seeing videos on how to install GNOME Tweaks

on Fedora, so I'm gonna assume that it is not installed Yeah, yeah That's a big problem actually I rely heavily on Gnome tweaks to set up my... yeah, yeah, and it should come pre-installed. Yeah Yeah my yeah yeah and it should come pre-installed yeah yeah again like the fact that like it's so weird right because it would be one thing if gnome tweaks was like doing things that shouldn't be done but all the stuff that gnomeome Tweaks does, like, it's doing things that's ordered in Gnome. It should be included in the Gnome settings. Yes, totally, totally. I agree.

It shouldn't be a separate application. I understand that that's the way it is. I understand that Gnome Tweaks occurred as an application way before Gnome 40. It's a legacy application, but still, we need to do something with that to make Gnome more appealing to the new audience yeah yeah or it's not gonna happen that's the thing it's not gonna happen we we need to

build a bridge between folks who like you you were you were motivated enough to learn about arch learn about using arch and hyperland and like you, they will be motivated enough to install GNOME tweaks and learn how to use a computer the way it is designed by the GNOME project. But a lot of newcomers, a lot of people who just bought their first laptop on Linux,

who want to install Linux and forget about everything, they want to use a PC. They are interested more about PC, about photo editing, about video editing, about chatting online about about gaming on linux they are not interested in setting up a linux a linux desktop

so we need to make that process as user-friendly as possible now when we all talk about this i think the the part that someone might bring up like oh but it's it's more user-friendly than ever like yes it is like yes yes it is if we compare things to like you know linux in 2010 or yeah or five years ago if you want to go back even further like let's go back to when ubuntu came out and ubuntu revolutionized the linux distro like before ubuntu setting setting up Linux was considerably harder. Ubuntu, and because Ubuntu was, like, bankrolled by Mark Shuttleworth, who was a multi-millionaire already, very, very rich guy, Ubuntu raised the bar on what a Linux distro should be and what a Linux distro could be.

And it made it possible to actually sell a laptop running Linux. Now, people who bought them, they had issues because back then there were also issues with modems that only worked on Windows. Windows modems are a fun thing. But that raised the bar. But if you look back at what Warty Warthog is now, like, it's a pain to use

right and that's fine it made sense in 2004 but we've improved a lot since then and there's a lot of things that just just the existence of GUIs to do a lot of things really has helped a lot of people actually find Linux

more approachable yeah it did and now we have a Steam Deck which really has helped a lot of people actually find Linux more approachable. Yeah, it did. And now we have a Steam Deck, which can be used out of the box. If you want to game on Steam Deck, just use it for gaming. It's amazing. If you want to do something simple, like to edit a LibreOffice file, if you want to browse a web, it's fine. But if you need to install something on it,

you have to use KDE Discover, and KDE Discover isn't there yet. It's not ready to compete with the command line. It's not designed to compete, but it's not ready yet, and it's not ready yet. So we still have work to do, but when I say we, I'm talking about the community.

I'm not a developer. I never wrote a line of code in my entire life. So I don't know how to do that thing. But I have a voice. I can use my channel as a platform to point the things out. And I hope that we will get over them. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I'm personally not a fan of any of the GUI application software installer things.

Like, all of them to me are just like, they just feel more annoying to use than using a terminal. But I also know that I've been using the terminal for a while. I know how, like, I know what Pac-Man S-Y-U means, right? But if you're someone new and you tell them to run, run, I guess Ubuntu makes it easier, but even just saying run apt-get install some random word and this installs a thing. Steam and you're on Pop!OS and you have to say, yes, do as I say. Man, the fact that that happened at the time of the linux challenge for ltc is wild yeah uh i

understand that what i'm saying is that again i'm i'm a fan of cli i like to install apps using command line i know that almost every linux enthusiast love love love to use the command line but uh if we want to build a bridge between us and newcomers, if we want to make Linux extremely popular, we need to have GUI applications like KDE Discover, like GNOME software, because it's our chance to liberate the desktop from Windows, from macOS, from other operating systems. Yeah, there are a lot of people out there who are like well i actually don't want linux to be more popular i kind of like it as it

is and yeah i'm gonna install free bsd if they if linux become popular yeah well it's the same thing with everything right like there's there's always going to be people that are like i don't want to use the popular thing. Like, I will use... I'll use Wayland now that it's... I'll use Wayland before it's popular, but now that it's gaining popularity, I'm going to use something else. And it's like...

It's part of Linux mentality. I don't think it's just Linux mentality. I think you get it from everything, right? You always have people that want to like... They want to find the... They want to be the underdog. They want to find the um they want to be the underdog they want to find like yes they're like the diamond in the rough they want to find the thing that nobody's using before everybody's using it yeah that's part of uh that's part of

mentality there are people that are enthusiasts who want to be the first ones um because linux isn't popular nowadays it's's part of Linux mentality. But I think that if Linux will become more popular, these underdogs, these evangelists, they will benefit from it more than ever. Because they will have the system they love, the system they know how to use, but they will have an advantage. They will have the knowledge that nobody other that nobody ever possesses you know when people nowadays buy uh macbooks a lot of people don't do not know how to use a cli a lot of people do not know how to use a terminal but if you know how to use that you will have an

advantage if you use for example uh ai to to draw images via web page, you have one way of controlling it. If you generate images via CLI, you have other amount of control over it. So you have to be the underdog, you have to adopt it first to become an expert in this field. to be really to be to become an expert in this field that that that's a good way to put it actually i do think there are people that take it the other direction where they are set on using like a good example of this is the the people who use distros where the entire reason they exist is it's not System D. It's like, okay, yeah, that's colonel, but like, I think a lot of people... Don't get me into a rant about why that's a dumb argument.

I think a lot of people forget about System D is stuff like OpenRC, Runit, all this stuff. The reason why it's useful today is because System D, like with Ubuntuuntu it raised the bar like before systemd was around they were in a much worse state so we're going to talk about like oh systemd did this systemd ruined everything but like no they exploded they had to keep up with systemd because it was just that much better and now they're better as well but there's just no reason to like go back and like again i'm not

i'm not gonna get an assistant do right yeah again that's that's part of linux mentality because we have folks like luke smith who were arch linux evangelist who is now i think arctic's linux evangelist who is uh in a great sense crazy enough to to daily drive the distro and to promote that distro. And one of the reasons Linux community is so popular that we have enthusiasts who are ready to do their challenges on a regular basis. We are crazy enough to do that. Let's put it that way. No, that's a good way to put it. I like that. Let's put it that way.

No, that's a good way to put it. I like that. These be like having people who are just like willing to just jump on things a bit too early. I think, you know, it lets you see what's actually out there. Like the people who are like we're daily driving Wayland, not like in 2020, but when Fedora swapped. Fedora swapped, I think, 8-10 years ago. Something ridiculous like that, by default, on GNOME. Wayland was not ready back then. You can say Wayland's not ready now, but Wayland was not ready then.

Yeah, and still people continue to use Fedora people would be people were happy to make bug reports people were happy to be to be in the vanguard of linux development because it's cool it's cool to be part of something great something big it's it gives me strength you know it gives me strength that i that i'm not just you, when we talk about free software, we often talk about the community, that the community is great. And it gives me so much energy. It gives me so much power that we are the community. When you use GIMP, you use applications that were designed to help you. You're not using an application that were designed to take money away from you.

using an application that were designed to take money away from you it was designed for you by your not by your friend but the people in the community who were who were caring about you that's great that's that's amazing actually and linux is the only operating system that gives you this sense sort of sense of camaraderie of friendship of whatever well any uh only like big one like yeah Yeah, you make the argument about OpenBSD and FreeBSD and things like that as well, but the support on those operating systems is a lot smaller than

what we have on Linux today. Yeah, but every time I open ArchWiki to read about something, I feel that there was a person behind this who had the same problem who learned the way to overcome it and now he's about to teach me how to do the same way how to do it in the same way so that's that strong feeling of community actually gives you power

yeah the arch wiki gets a lot of attention i think the one that's really underrated is the gen 2 wiki the gen obviously a lot of a lot of what's on the Gen 2 wiki is about specific Gen 2 compiling things. Yeah, yeah, that's for sure. But when it comes to a lot of the other stuff, the Gen 2 wiki has a lot of information that is not on Arch. The Gen 2 wiki in some places is,

you might argue, way documented like if you go through the installation guide for gentoo there are entire sections that are like explaining like what a file system is how file systems work like this doesn't need to be in your install guide just this can go somewhere else but the information is there and I love the Arch Wiki but I wish more people talked about some of the other Wikis out there as well well I'm usually since English is my second language

I often use Arch Wiki and Gentle Wiki to double check if I put some sentences in the proper way, in the correct way and when I compare them there are articles that are more put some sentences in the proper way in the correct way and when i compare them uh there are articles that are more there are on some topics there are way more information on arch wiki rather than on gentle wiki for example when you talk about color correction video editing there

are lots of lots of stuff on arch wiki and there are only tiny pages on the Gentoo wiki. Right, right, right. No, I get that. I guess Arch, even though Arch and Gentoo are both very minimal distros, I guess Arch has a lot more of a desktop presence than Gentoo does. It seems like a lot of the Gentoo user base is more interested in the very low level stuff? Yeah, that's because you had to compile Gentoo by yourself. Now you don't have to, now they have binaries, but

previously you had to compile it yourself when Arch, first of all, Arch is relatively easy to install, and now we have Arch install script, which is which makes it extremely easy. So, yeah, there are a lot of people who use Arch and it's cool to use Arch, right?

I use Arch, by the way. That's the whole meme that made Arch so popular. I believe that Arch is the most impactful Linux distro of this decade. Nowadays, it's way more popular than Ubuntu. It's not cool to use Ubuntu anymore. I remember that there is a Liam Doe article on the gamingonlinux.com who said that Ubuntu was, not Ubuntu, but yeah, Ubuntu was too, he said, I don't remember how he put it this way. He said that Ubuntu was too, not too standard, but there were no danger in it to use Ubuntu. It was too normal to use it. I don't remember the exact quote, but

It felt Ubuntu or Mint didn't felt right to him to use because Arch is the vanguard Arch is the frontier of Linux sort of sort of so yeah Hmm I don't think Arch is more popular than Ubuntu, but it certainly gets talked about a lot more, right? We can check the, maybe it's not more popular because of the servers that use Ubuntu, but we can open Steam hardware stats. Sure, yeah, okay.

And look at what people use. And the first one this show would be, I think, SteamOS ISO, SteamOS 3.7, I guess. Or SteamOS 3.6. I've seen the numbers. I know what you're talking about. The number... Okay. The way that Steam counts the numbers is a little bit funky.

Yeah, it's true. So, yes, Arch is popular. But the reason why it's not exactly correct is it counts different versions of Ubuntu as different entries. True, that's true. You can calculate them together and get the proper result. 0.7%, uh, 0.07%, uh, 24 to 04 on 0.07%, and then 22, 22 core? I do not, oh, that might be the, what is that? Ubuntu core 22. What the hell is that? Steam, uh, Steam is, is a little bit weird when it comes to stats, but we can say that Ubuntu is extremely popular.

Ubuntu comes pre-installed with some laptops. A lot of people use Ubuntu as a default option, and yet Arch Linux somehow is the second most popular option out there, or maybe the first one, if we count it properly. I think it might be second. Because they only show like the top six. It might be second. Because Mint's also, it's either Mint or Arch in second.

Yeah, yeah. And the fact that Mint is also based off Ubuntu kind of implies that Ubuntu is way more popular than we would think. But nevertheless, Arch Linux isn't that user-friendly as Mint or Ubuntu is way more popular than we would think, but nevertheless Arch Linux isn't that user-friendly as Mint or Ubuntu and still, and yet, it has the majority. That's fascinating I think that's because

using Arch Linux is cool as a meme. I think that memes got us to this place You know what, you might be onto something there I think you might be onto something there I think you might be correct when you open reddit

when you open reddit slash r slash linux memes or linux masteries there are a lot of people who use arch by the way and you have a lot of talented linux youtubers like you like Luke Smith who promoted arch Linux through the years. DistroTube, I think, daily

drives Arch Linux. A lot of people daily drive Arch Linux. So, yeah. It's kind of default option. It's kind of a cool kid Linux distro, sort of. The other thing that really skews the numbers is I'm looking at now, if you don't count

the numbers together together the second biggest option is the flat pack so we don't actually know what people are running the flat yeah on yeah that's weird it's called free desktop something something yeah free desktop sdk sdk 2308 yeah um so that could be ours that could be a buden to we don't actually know yeah but correct me if i'm wrong steam uh steam SteamOS on Steam Deck is installed via Flatpak as a Flatpak package. And yet, it calculates SteamOS as a different... Is a different distro. So, that's weird.

I don't know if it's a Flatpak on... Is it? No, no, it's not a Flatpak. The Flatpak isn't officially supported. Is that? No. Uh-huh. No, the Flatpak isn't officially supported. No. The Flatpak is...

The Flatpak is recommended over the Snap, but the Flatpak isn't official. There's a couple of... No, no, no. I mean, if you have... If you use Steam Deck, how Steam application is installed on Steam Deck? Is it a Flatpak package?

No, it's not a Flatpak. No. Uh-huh, yeah. It's a Pac-Man package. Uh... How Steam is packaged on the Steam Deck? I don't know the answer. Uh, it's... It's... I actually don't... Well, I know it's not a flatpack. Um... It's built directly into the ISO.

Uh-huh. Maybe it's a Pac-Man package. I don't think it's the package that comes from Arch. I think it's their own custom package. No, no, no. It's definitely their own custom package, but what package manager they used to build it? Well, it was probably built with... Like, if it's being built into the image,

it would be installed through Pac-Man then. Yeah. Cool. That's cool. But, yeah, the Steam Deck is obviously the most popular out of the ways to play games on linux by far yeah i wonder why oh crazy the steam deck has done a lot of really positive things for for linux gaming not just not even just like making it better but just showing people that you can showing people that gaming on linux actually is possible because i remember you you're mentioning uh steam os before

i remember when that got announced and there was like a list of what like 15 20 games it was like i think um uh shadow of mordor who had a shadow of mordor had a Linux port Shadow of Mordor Saints Row 3 CSGO and Dota 2 I think and maybe 5 or 10 more

yeah I think TF2 had a port as well TF2 yeah sure and like Half-Life Left 4 Dead 2 pretty much everything

that Valve does has had a port for a long time yeah but outside of that the list was very short and then when

Proton got announced the list the that the list was very short and then when proton got announced the list i the list then was also very short um do you know what part of the history a fun part of the history of um of proton the reason why it was developed by the nia automata yeah so the guy yeah who made dxvk yeah he made dxvk because he wanted to play nia automata on on linux which is yeah yeah yeah that, that's amazing. Actually, we have to say what's great about Valve is that they find talents who made things work by themselves, as they did with Dota 2, with CS.

CS was mod to Half-Life. And the same goes with the Nier Automata guy who made this game playable on Linux by himself and they hired him to develop a Proton. That's actually a great way to build a company, to hire people. But what I was getting at there was Steamworks came out,

told people about Linux gaming being a thing, but they didn't have Proton yet. Proton came out, it had a list of nine games or something that was supported. I was like, okay, this is cool. I knew about wine before that point because i'd used a mac and if you wanted to play like halo on a mac there were things like that you would sometimes run through wine actually not halo i think halo had a native version regardless wine exists on mac as well and especially back in the early 2010s was a lot more popular than it is

now and then i kind of just like stopped paying attention to Linux for a long time. Then when I got interested again, back in 2019, 2020, it was, Proton was a very different landscape then. Yes, there were a lot of games that still weren't supported.

There was a lot of balked games. Anti-cheat support was just not really a thing then. Then the Steam Deck came out and we were in a way better state then anti-cheat started getting supported the list of bought games is very very short, now most of the bought games are just like

multiplayer games or games that use some weird engine, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah it showed people that gaming on Linux actually was possible now, and not just was possible, gave them an easy way to try it. Yeah, and what's crazy about the Steam Deck is that you can install Windows on it, and Windows experience is nowhere as good as Linux experience by default,

which you have by default, which is amazing. You actually have the benchmark to test how different operating system works in this when you have extremely limited resource To do so. I'm looking at a proton DB right now of the top thousand games 35 are marked as borked That's not that's not big of a deal, right? Well, of course, it's a Call of Duty It's a Rainbow Six Siege is the biggest multiplayer titles that you that you have but nevertheless you can the great fact about old games that you can spend tens of maybe hundreds of hours playing them and if you if you love the witcher free if you love old old rpgs like uh like arcanum i think arcanum works on Linux nowadays, if you like old strategies of

old times, you can pour hundreds and hundreds of hours playing great games on Linux right now of course we still don't have Call of Duty, we still don't have Rainbow Six Siege, we still don't have Destiny but those are multiplayer franchises that I think

we have to wait a couple of years until they will be available on Linux too. I am extremely optimistic about that. The great thing about Proton is that it doesn't, it's not only help Linux to get better at games, other developers also use it. I think Apple with gaming porting toolkit,

they also use Wine to port modern video games to iPhones, to MacBooks and iPads. Nowadays, you can play Resident Evil Village or Assassin's Creed Mirage on your iPhone. That's crazy. And that's possible because Wine

came a long way from the old era to modern days. Let's put it that way. I was just scrolling through the list and apparently you can get Wallpaper Engine running on Linux

now. Yeah. That's cool. Oh, sure. There's also a KDE plugin that integrates with it. I think it's really cool. That's sick. The great thing about SIEM that it's also bringing modding to the

games, to gaming on Linux because before that, if you want to use a separate launcher to modify your games, you had to use Windows. Nowadays, you can install mods from Steam Workshop to Skyrim, to, I think, Team Fortress 2 also, to a lot of games. So it's getting...

Steam did a lot of things right, and I'm extremely happy that we have them on our site when Gabe in 2014 said that Linux is the future of gaming it was the moment that made me shiver

you mentioned mods there Nexus is working on they've been working on for a while a native supported uh mod manager uh i've not tested it because all the games i mod are pretty easy to mod it's like like what pretty much the only game i've got modded right now is like monsanto world and a couple of yakuza games and all you do for those ones is extract the files put them in this one location

and it's done so i don't really need to worry about it but some games are a lot more complex to mod and a mod manager for those would be very very useful true and the one one more thing that linux is missing the gaming on linux is missing is i think trainers uh because modern games especially the AAA titles, a lot of them have grind schemes built into them, so you would rather pay them in a microtransaction to help you get through the certain grind walls, I would say. Assassin's Creed is a great example.

They have a lot of microtransactions built into a single-player game, and the only way to pass through them is to use a trainer. And I think a lot of trainers nowadays are built only for Windows. They have to use third-party utilities to make them work, and it's not an easy process to do. It's definitely not an easy process to do on a Steam Deck. So, yeah, that's one thing that we that we were missing right now i don't even remember the last time i used a trainer in a game

like i don't i don't tend to play super grindy games that are like boring to grind so it's not really a concern for me yeah but i i do remember that i was playing Assassin's Creed Odyssey, I think. I was extremely immersed into the beautiful world of ancient Greece. I wanted to know what's the end of the story, but I couldn't help myself. I couldn't pass the grind wall. It was too daunting to me. And I've installed Trainer.

I've changed my stats. I changed my values of the goals and other, other resources and boom, I'm done. Yeah, that's fair. I, I,

as I just don't tend to play games that are like not fun to grind. Yeah. And it's not a problem then if you just don't play those games, just play different games. Yeah. Yeah. that's true. That's true also. I say this, but then I grinded out one fight in Monster Hunter World for like 12 hours, so maybe... Yeah, well... One drop, one singular drop that has a 1% drop rate. Yeah, the thing with grind

that not every game do grind in a it's easy to make grind in a wrong way it's easy to make grind horrible and unpleasant and etc a lot of games including live service like destiny

like the witcher 3 they don't grind right there is no grind walls in The Witcher 3. You have to obtain new gear, you have to progress through the system, through the game, you have to build a better Witcher to be able to play the game, but it's not daunting

to do so. But some games, they have fine narrative, they have great dialogues, they have beautiful world that you want to immerse yourself into,, they have fine narrative. They have great dialogues. They have beautiful world that you want to immerse yourself into. But they have those nasty grind walls that you want to pass through. Right, a lot of games that... Sometimes there's...

Sorry, I'll get you off there. I was going to say, especially single-player games that have time-locked content, where it's like, hey, wait 30 minutes for this thing to happen. Like, no, I don't want to do that. Yeah. time-locked content where it's like hey yes wait 30 minutes for this thing to happen like yes no i don't want to do that yeah and sometimes um the trainers are not fun to use because you have to you you disable all challenges they have in the game the challenge is the game is fun because they they have challenges in them You have to beat the boss.

You have to be the most skilled player sometimes to build them, to complete them. But at the same time, sometimes it's so extremely painful to beat them as they were designed. So you have to help yourself by launching a trainer. Think of the poor Dark Souls clone. Sekiro is an extremely fun game to beat yourself. The Dark Souls

is an extremely fun game to overcome it yourself, but think of Elden Ring, and Elden Ring, especially the last DLC, Shadow of the Earth 3, the bosses are so thick, they have so much HP on them, so it's getting less and less

fun to me to play those games and one way of completing them without losing your mind is to use trainers that's fair, that's fair I don't know I haven't I haven't, word

I need to get around to playing Elden Ring so I can't really comment on how dumb things might get especially in the DLC I've heard some people complain about it though it's not dumb when you're making the really tough game to play, when you're making something

challenging, when you're making something extremely difficult to play you have only two options. You can either make timings even shorter, you can make challenge by making skill sets, move sets are way more complex, or you can make HP bars just bigger. And it seems that the way I think about it

is that FromSoft software has no other option to make game even harder right now other than making hp bars even bigger right right no that's fair that's fair and i guess that might be part of the reason why they're looking on from just doing another. Like, Elden Ring is sort of the pinnacle of the Souls-like. Yeah. And my understanding, and from interviews that they've had, they don't want to make another game like that, at least as their next game. Yeah.

So I don't know if we're going to see another Armored Core game, or they're going to do something else entirely, or what the direction is going to be. Yeah. But I can understand that, right? Yeah. But to me, the best game they've made is Sekiro. Sekiro is extremely great because it relies...

You have to rely on parry to beat the game. And when you... Sometimes it's tough to learn... Sometimes it's tough to learn timings and get used to different enemies but when you beat the game when you actually beat the final boss it's so energizing it's so i've been i've been seeing you streaming streaming sekiro and it was quite quite quite an experience six hours six hours in the final boss finally beat it, holy shit that boss yeah

that was Sekiro is very fun though, I do love Sekiro yeah, yeah as tilted as it makes me, as angry as I get playing that game, I love it yeah, yeah that's true, that's true I need to go I do need to actually go and play Elden Ring though

like it's just a long game that's the other thing, it's just really long I do need to actually go and play Elden Ring, though. It's just a long game. That's the other thing. It's just really long. It's a long game, and it's an open world, so you can easily ruin your playthrough because you went the wrong way, and you have no stats or no items to go further.

You have to go back and find a new way, and sometimes it's just too wasteful when you think about your personal time. Sekiro, on the other hand, is a linear game. You have linear levels which you can go through in a place you prefer and yeah, it's more dynamic.

It's more fun to play I think. Right, right. Well, there's a couple of places where you have an option of, oh, you like an option of oh you want to go here you want to hear but like for the most part like the the main through line of the story yeah yeah like there's yeah you have to hit like that you get to a point where you have to go and beat the next like main story boss because things won't open up further yeah and when it comes to secular you cannot uh sort of, you cannot farm your stats by

endlessly killing enemies. On Elden Ring, you can grind your way into the top by grinding enemies, making more and more XP and building a better character. But on Sekiro, you have to learn timings

to complete the game. Yeah, yeah. You don't outstat things in Sekiro you have to learn timings to complete the game yeah you don't outstat things in Sekiro in like most of the mainline souls games you can just find the big like the Havel's armor or other big tanky armor and just grab a big shield

and just poke people with a lance and you'll get through the content if you really want to do it like that sure but no i i think sekiro is very fun i think more people do need to go and try that out um i need to go play some of the other like souls like games that are kind of inspired by sekiro like neo and things like that i would i would recommend to you ghost of tsushima ghost of tsushima has a lethal mode. Lethal mode, it's not as tough as Sekiro,

but the combat is very aggressive. You have to be fast. You have to learn timings too. And the only downside of lethal mode is that there are a few bosses, like the first boss, Ruizo. I don't remember how it's pronounced correctly. He can one-shot with with one with one attack and you have to you have to grind for a really long health bar to kill them yeah but but other the game is great you should try it yeah i'm gonna copy all my skills back

there oh have you have you tried it no no i haven't tried it yet um uh and it works great on steam deck too oh nice yeah i bought a ps4 copy of it ages back it's just it's just i've not had time to play it like you know there's only so much time in the day there's only so much time in the week yeah yeah yeah yeah that's a problem. I want to say that the story of the Ghost of Tsushima is fine. There are three acts in the game. The second act is full of filler quests. You have to go there and follow this NPC and look over that place.

But the first act and the third act and the epilogue, they are so intense, they are so they're done very well it's a very cinematic game and it's full of great moments when you have to you kind of feel yourself like a samurai of sorts

the way they animated Jin Jin Sakai, the main hero, he's so aggressive when he swings he swings so fast and yeah it gives you a lot of cool moments to to be happy about that definitely does sound fun i'm i'm gonna have to i'm gonna have to get to that eventually um right now i'm doing uh black myth wukong on stream and i i'm i'm very much enjoying it. The game has issues. There's a lot of weird graphical issues as well. Like I noticed this one bit where as you walk in and out this cave entrance,

I guess the lighting for some reason is different when you're in the cave than when you're out of the cave. So there's like one spot you can go back and forth on and the light just flickers back and forth. Yeah. Well, I haven't tried Black Myth Wukong yet I've heard a lot of

great things about this game I'm pretty interested in that game because there are not so many video games set in the Chinese fantasy world yeah but I haven't tried it yet yeah I think there's already a sequel that's been like confirmed to be worked on,

and they want to do an expansion for the game as well. So obviously the game was very successful, but it seems like they want to do more with the world as well, which I'm excited to see. I'm excited too, because, well, I the there is only one game aside from Black Myth of Kong published on Steam by that studio and it's still in early access so I can't wait to

see the studio making new games even more ambitious even more bigger games it's kind of wild to see a company that before this like they had been that like they're one of the companies that has been involved in like you know making mobile games and things like

that and like they yeah out of nowhere they're like hey let's make a let's make a triple a quality action rpg it's like and it's it's not suspicious yeah like what did you remember when the trailer for black myth came out like years ago when the I think when the ps4 Yeah, sure three years ago. Yeah No, I I think maybe you're right maybe it's not as far as I thought maybe it's for I feel it was before the ps5 came Out what? It was definitely a long time ago. Maybe it made my my sense of time is completely messed up It probably is yeah, ps4 was ten years ago years ago the ps4 launch was in 2013 or 14 i

guess yeah no you're definitely closer to right then yeah yeah yeah the the thing that i was the thing that i remember about the blacksmith announcement is that it felt like it was one of the first next gen games we didn't get too many next gen games in this generation actually when i saw it it felt like a tech demo. Yeah, it does. The first one they showed off was, like, Walking Through the Snow. And, like... Yeah.

It was... You know, you've seen those, like, Unreal Engine tech demos before, where they're like, oh, here's... Like, when Unreal Engine 3 or 4 came out, the games didn't look that good. It took a long time for developers to get used to using the engine. But the game came out and it's like,

oh, yeah, it actually does look good. Okay, sure. Sure. Okay. Yeah, that's a miracle that they pulled the whole game and made it successful. Because as I see it, game development is really hard it takes multiple years and you have to uh envision the whole game when you when

some artists just make 3d models or the combat it really takes a lot to make a great game and the fact that they were able to achieve that vision and they and they made it successful is that vision and they and they made it successful it's it's really great yeah yeah for sure and the fact that the game like didn't just look good it actually played well as well like that's the thing right there's a lot of games out there that look incredible but yeah yeah they're just not fun to play and that's yeah like i think a lot of developers sort of miss the mark on that like they make these games where it's like whenever I see a trailer it's like hey let's talk about

the tongue physics for like 3 minutes like I don't, can we talk about maybe the game? I don't care like how well the faces are animated or the fact that you have wind physics on the eyelashes like yeah but when I was a kid and Half-Life 2 You have wind physics on the eyelashes.

Yeah, but when I was a kid and Half-Life 2 came out, everyone was talking about the physics engine and the fact that you can pick any object and put it somewhere. It was captivating because when I was a kid, I was excited not about the game, not about the story. I was excited about that we can simulate a real world in the video game. Of course, nowadays, we don't expect we can simulate a real world in the video game of course nowadays we don't expect games to to simulate the real world but the fact that we have even more advanced facial animations or some sort of weird things going behind the scenes happening behind the

scenes that's really great and to me when i nowadays it seems that every game looks great. It seems that every game plays more or less great. So when I go in for my shopping list, I'm often focusing on the bad reviews, negative reviews, because I'm not looking for the game that has 90% positive reviews, but I'm trying to avoid the game that scratches my that has 90% positive reviews but I'm looking for I'm trying to avoid the game that scratches my pet peeves you know because sometimes game is great it has great

visual it has great combat it has great characters but it has so it has a lot of grind walls or it has some sort of launches attached to it so it's sort of you're like ah i wish to play this great game but i'm gonna skip this one right no that that makes sense because yeah like

unless the game is exceptionally bad and like it's got like you know overwhelmingly negative like even if a game is highly rated it might not be it might not be the kind of game that appeals to you a game for me like uh death stranding uh that death stranding does not look interesting at all to me oh it's a great game i'm sure it is people have told me it's years ago yeah yeah uh yeah but the thing about death stranding is that it's it gives you completely new experience because you have to make uh, you have to plan the whole trip. In this game, you play as a sort of internet provider courier and a special delivery guy who delivers gear

through the extremely dangerous environment, extremely hazardous environment, and you have to plan the whole trip. You have to plan the equipment that you plan to use. You have to go through again and again until you will be able to crack through the whole trip that can take 20 minutes or 30 minutes to go on and the fact that this game give you a proper challenge it's extremely great it's extremely

great game that is i'm i'm not going to play play this second time but for the first time it was an experience it definitely was an experience it's like playing the first dark souls for the first time right yeah actually you know what look maybe i'll play it at some point maybe i'll grab it on sale or something i don't know but no you should you should at least give it a try and if you dislike it you can just skip it yeah that's true but uh you mentioned playing dark souls for the first time like the first man the first time i played dark souls holy shit like that yeah yeah no that was the experience yeah yeah you have to uh you have to realize how to deal with the first boss yeah and you don't have youtube guides you don't have anything to do that you just it's just you and the boss in front of

you and that thing is provides you a similar experience if you don't open the youtube right yeah i think that's a mistake a lot of people do like yeah wiki gaming or like meta gaming everything it's like what do you yeah yeah like black myth go back to black myth right the day the game came out like day after that there's like how to beat this boss the perfect setup the perfect set of abilities like no like there are games where i do that with like path of excel for example because path of excel is a game where type of a game yeah it like you can be a person who focuses on making builds and that's the only thing you do because the build system is that

complex but because there is this complexity across the entire game i think in a case like that it kind of makes sense to outsource certain parts of it but in a game like black myth or sekiro where like the build system's pretty straightforward you don't need to look a guide for like the perfect build yeah you have to experience it yourself because path of exile is a live service game it's it's also designed to have a community it's also designed to people have a discussion what gear is the best but like a row you have to experience it yourself you definitely have to experience it yourself because it's not fun if you have uh it's not fun if you have a certain guide that uh that helps you how to defeat a boss

because the whole point of this game is to overcome yourself is to overcome the challenge and beat the boss i do think there's fun in like doing that for a second playthrough like you go through yeah definitely definitely like you're gonna look at a guide for elden ring for example on like how do i like some of the like the boss one-shot builds where you just use a single spell and the boss just explodes yeah that's that's actually also also a fun way to play a game when I replay the Witcher 3 I often I already know what what's going to happen next I already know where where is the top armor is located so i'm i'm sort of um speed running the game just to experience the best uh the best cut scenes the best emotional intense

moments in the game yeah i think the only problem we're doing with something like elden ring is this is this is a problem that a lot of people actually have with it it's just so long like you can go you can do a dark souls playthrough in a couple of hours like it's not that difficult really but like elden ring it's it's time consuming and that's a big part of the reason why pvp was not as popular in elden ring either because if you want a pvp at a certain soul level you need to get back to that soul level and you need to like get back to an area where people are going to be at that soul level and it's just yeah yeah yeah true true now i i i've never been much of a pvp guy myself so for me it's not a big deal i also don't really tend to replay games

like it's there's only very few games out there where i really feel like a desire to replay them uh-huh that's interesting because i have my favorite games that i try to replay like once every two or three year but uh it's like it's like 10 games on this list it's like uh skyrim i launch skyrim almost every year uh red dead redemption 2 is i try to replay it three times i only beat it once but I tried to replay it three times The Witcher 3 I think I completed this game three or four times already yeah and

Oblivion, The Elder Scrolls 4 Oblivion is on the list too but when it comes to PvP games I prefer to play something like battlefield but battlefield one is no longer playable on linux as well yep yep and then brings us to the different topic because uh while gaming on linux is getting better and better over the years it also can get extremely broken in a in just a in a matter of seconds because it seems that publishers are not interested in Linux yet.

Yeah, like in the past, League, for example, used to work perfectly on Linux. And then they're like, well, now it's time to do, what do you call it? Epic Games exclusivity or sort of. No, what is the anti-cheat they use? I'm blanking on it. Ah, you're talking about League of Legends.

Yeah. Riot Vanguard. Vanguard, yes, yes. Yes. I've been thinking you were talking about Rocket League. Oh, yeah. Rocket League's also had its own... Yeah, yeah.

It's also had the same path. Well, Rocket League used to have a native Linux version and then they stopped updating the native Linux version so you couldn't play it because you couldn't connect to servers. So then you had to play the Proton version. Screw Epics. Screw Epic Games. Yeah. But the shooter issue is a lot bigger of a problem

because these right now are just the more popular like online games if there are i don't play them and it's not been a thing that i've been interested in a long time but that has been a reason i've heard a lot of people not traveling so i know people that play like a lot of rainbow six siege for example and they can't do that and yeah oh they're like being on warzone yeah the thing about rainbow six and warzone is that it's life service game so you have to you have to grind your battle pass you have to come again months and months after you you have to continue playing these games in order to enjoy them and for many for many of us games like apex legends are the way to connect with friends we just after the work you have to you you go into the game to connect with friends. After the work, you go into the game,

you connect with your friends, and you're just playing it. But the reason I was talking about Battlefield 1, because Battlefield 1, it's an 80 years old game, it has no microtransactions. It actually has microtransactions, but there is no pay-to-win mechanics built into the game, and it was a really fun game to play. It was a game that I was playing eight years ago.

I found it exciting. And I'm mad that I cannot play it right now on Linux. If I want to play Battlefield 1, I have to install Windows as a dual boot. But that's a bad way to use your PC. Not a bad way. I'm not judging anyone, but your pc not a bad way i'm not judging anyone but ah it's not a perfect way either the last time i played a battlefield game was battlefield 3

oh what a great game yeah from battlefield 3 to battlefield 1 every game is great i the other i think part of the reason why i don't do shooters now is like the landscape of shooters has really changed. Like back then you would join lobbies and there were people who I don't know if they had above a 50 IQ. Like I don't know what they were doing. I don't have any idea how they joined the match, but they were just doing things that didn't make any sense. But now it seems like

a lot of people it seems like everybody's trying to be in an esports team every lobby is like people tryharding and it's just i just don't want to play that yeah that's true that's what i that's why i hate playing cs2 or rainbow six siege rainbow six issues and available on linux but cs2 everyone is mad at you if you don't buy the right thing if you don't play the way they want you to play and they don't communicate to you the way they want you to play it's also it's always a sort of uh the people always scream screams at you out of nowhere but the the reason why we have this situation is I think because of YouTube.

Because nowadays, every game has a community. Every game has YouTubers who explain how to play the game, how to play the objective. So that's why people are getting more and more competitive. And also, part of this problem is that I'm getting older and older. I no longer have this reaction. Right, right, yeah. I no longer have this intention to play games

as an esport guy. I just came after the work. I want to relax. I want to kill some people online and go on with my life. So yeah, that's why I'm trying to play older games like Battlefield 1, for example. And it's not available in Linux anymore.

The only option in the Battlefield series is Battlefield 3 and Battlefield 4 right now. Yeah, I think that's kind of part of the reason why Helldivers 2 was really fun off launch. Yeah. Because at the launch, people were not really serious about it. Like they were like,

hey, if you want to run some stupid setup, if you die five times, like, whatever, who really cares? Like, the first match I... Literally, the first match I joined was some, like, 30-year-old dude that had his kid screaming in the background. It's like, this is...

Yeah, this is what I expected, but as the game's going on and people have gotten used to things, like the metagaming's come out, especially playing the harder difficulties, people expect you to play a certain way. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I just don't want to do that. Yeah, the last time I was playing Helldivers 2 was a month ago.

I was playing it on Steam Deck to gather some footages of Steam Deck playing Helldivers 2 was a month ago. I was playing it on Steam Deck to gather some footages of Steam Deck playing Helldivers 2. But the last time I was really playing Helldivers 2 was, I think, in May or April. Yeah, so... Some games are great only

months or two after they were released. Especially when it comes to multiplayer games. Like, it also works with Call of Duty because the first one or two after they were released especially when it comes to multiplayer games like it also works with call of duty because the first one or two months they have no microtransaction they have no dlc season passes and then years later you have all sorts of microtransactions pile pile up and pile up right upon you and you have no other option but to either you have to buy it or you have to try hard to overcome the challenge yeah i all the games that i play if they have microtransactions they're things i just don't really care about or like a game like path of exile path of exile people don't talk about the

microtransactions of this game but it has so much tons but none of it literally none of it matters to the game it's all just cosmetics like there is a 500 pack that you can buy people don't care about it though because they like the game um the only there is only one pay to win aspect in path of exile and it's a one-off cost um you buy premium tabs for your stash for your bank that let you store items in a more convenient way and that's that and it also lets you trade on the market here on the the auction house that is the only pay to win aspect but it's like 80 once off and you never paid again yeah aside from pay to win i think i think uh in a sort of way it's a shame that we say that microtransaction doesn't matter because uh if they if they didn't matter at all people wouldn't buy

them for the amount of 20 bucks 50 bucks 500 bucks because yeah of course they matter of course cosmetics and video games are matter that people want to express themselves. People want to... When I hear that it's just a cosmetic... Cosmetics are the endgame. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just a cosmetic. It's just an option. You don't have to buy that.

Yes, it's a cosmetic. A lot of people want to express themselves. And that's why a skin in the game could cost like $15, $20, $50. Because people want to have cosmetics. they really want to pay for them in path of exile it's less of a big deal because you can't zoom in enough to see your character nicely anyway but in a game where you can um yeah no that's true like in a lot of mmos the real end game and the most hardcore players like in final Fantasy XIV for example the people who are running like the top end content

and they're running every bit of content, they are running it because they are trying to get the glamour, they are trying to get the cosmetics and because you have friends you're playing with you have to you have to be competitive with your friends hey, didn't you know I've

I've grinded this weapon or this armour I'm a cool guy now, you have to be competitive with your friends hey didn't you know i've uh i've grinded this uh this weapon or this armor i'm a cool guy now you have to the the social part of the of the game they kind of incentivize people to to buy or to grind new stuff yeah i think well when it comes to the social stuff like this is a part of the reason why i just don't really play mmos anymore i played mmos back when people used them as basically chat rooms but now a lot of the conversations moved out of the game and it's in like discord and stuff like that so you go into like final fantasy 14 you go into the hub town and there's nobody talking yeah that's that's really a problem because uh back in the day, you had guild chat in World of Warcraft

in a lot of other MMOs. I played a lot of RuneScape back then, which had the same thing. When I was at high school, I hadn't money for the World of Warcraft, so I played Chinese Perfect World game. It's an MMO from China, yeah. It was free to play, but I was a kid.

It was fine for me. And later on, when I moved to Elder Scrolls Online and Destiny 2, there were no guild chats as we had it during my high school. So there were no real-world communication with people when you have to organize the whole guild to take part in the event or to take down the world boss, let's say. Yeah, yeah. And well, not even just guild chat, just like general world chat. Like you're just going through the world and it's just like...

F you! Yeah, well, RuneScape was was a bit more a bit nicer than that but like you'd be you'd be at like some fishing spot and there's some other dude there and he was like hey fishing level and that just like starts a conversation like oh like what do you like what are you aiming for like what do you what are you farming out here like all of this sort of stuff and you just there were so many people i met during those days yeah but. But it's much harder to, I don't know if it's harder or just different, right? I just don't like change. I'm sure you can get used to it and talk to people in Discord.

It's the same experience. But I don't know. It's not the same. Yeah. There's something weird about, or something different about just being in the world. And you see some dude who's like grinding, he like level he's like max level and he's grinding out some frogs like what what are you what are you doing can you explain to me what you're doing right now yeah yeah that's that was part of the fun of the old games but uh there is a uh first

person shooter called insurgency that has as well as talk of a thing that has a local voice chat so yes you can go closer to your enemy and you can scream at them you can you can warn them of something or you can just just being like ah into the voice chat and local voice chat's awesome yeah yeah it's it's an awesome feature and there is no local voice chat in the triple a games yeah yeah we got sidetracked very hard didn't we yeah but that's great well we're coming up on the two hour mark so

it's fine I have one hour more if you want to I have some stuff to do after this so we gotta wrap it up alright let's wrap it up that's fine we didn't even talk about a lot of the things I have on the list we just kind of like rambled about Linux and stuff We've got to wrap it up. All right, let's wrap it up. That's fine. That's completely fine. We didn't even talk about a lot of the things I have on the list.

We just kind of like rambled about Linux and stuff, which is fine. That's exactly what... We can find the second... We can plan the second date and continue our conversation. I was extremely happy to have a chat with you. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. Yeah, it was nice. Sorry, I keep cutting you off. The delay on Discord is... It is always annoying to work with.

Yeah, that's completely fine. So let people know where they can find your channel and all the stuff that you do. You can find me... A lot of people know me as a host of the Reluctant Anarchist YouTube channel. I also write about tech for the Russian-speaking website, wilson.com. And I also have a Telegram channel right now,

which goes by the same name, Reluctant Anarchist. Feel free to subscribe. I would be happy to see you. Awesome. Nothing else you want to direct people to? Or is that... Oh, when are you thinking of releasing

that video that you have planned? Or you're not really sure just yet? I'm aiming closer to the September 9th 19th I still have some things to iron out but yeah I hope it will come out

in September Let's get things across I'll definitely check it out when it comes out and I'll direct people towards it Thank you So as for my stuff my main channel is Brodie Robertson I'll definitely check it out when it comes out and I'll direct people towards it when it does thank you so as for my stuff my main channel is Brody Robertson I do Linux videos there 6-ish days a week

I've got the gaming channel Brody on Games right now I'm playing through Black Myth Wukong and probably still doing Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep I've got the React channel where just random clips go up too if you want to check that out that is Brody Robertson Reacts. And if you're listening

to the audio version of this, you can find the video version on YouTube at Tech Over Tea. If you want to find the audio version, there is an RSS feed. It'll be on most of the podcast apps out there. Check it out. Search Tech Over Tea and you will find it. I'll give you the final word. What do you

want to say? Let's end this video with my classical end phrase. This was Reluctant Anarchist and I have nothing left to say. Perfect.