Tech Over Tea - Linux, ASMR, Guitar, Open Source & More | Egee

Episode Date: October 26, 2022

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Good morning, good day, and good evening. I am as always your host, Brodie Robertson. This is episode 138 of Tech of a T, and today's guest is EG. Welcome to the show. I guess I probably should have introduced you. You know what? How about you just introduce yourself since I skipped over it anyway? Uh, hi, I'm EG. You may know me, probably not, hopefully not, but I'm EG. What a great introduction that is. Do you want to maybe say, I don't know, some of the stuff you do, anything, just nothing? I mean, I guess I do some Linux and tech stuff. I do some ASMR stuff. I do a lot of different things i guess it all it all depends on if you know me where you know me from a lot of people that know me don't know that i do all

this like different stuff that doesn't really like connect but yeah i have a lot of hobbies and interests so well yeah when i first heard about your channel uh you were still like heavily involved in the you know the the typical linux content the hey we're gonna look at this distro we're gonna look at that distro hey is this distro better than that distro and well you've stopped doing that as like your main thing now and have really sort of branched down to all of this other sort of content but i guess i guess where we can start is because you are still using linux like one thing i like to ask a lot of people i bring on this uh this show is how they actually got involved in linux because everyone sort of has their own story about it.

Like some people, they found a CD somewhere and started using it. Some people just, you know, downloaded Ubuntu or whatever. And you've been, I don't know how long you've been using Linux, but you've been making content online for quite a while now. So I presume there's, you know, some story behind that. Yeah. So the story, my story with linux and it it kind of it went from linux to free and open source software which are you know similar but also there's a connection there's there's more to linux than or there's more to free and open source software than just linux and vice versa, I suppose. But my journey into

Linux and Fossland started with Windows licensing. I don't know what the year was. I don't remember how old I was. I was reinstalling Windows, I think it was Windows 7, for the millionth time, because I changed up my hardware. And I tried to install and it said, no way, your license has been used too many times. Call Microsoft. Yeah, so I did.

And they said, yeah, man, your license is no good. That's it. So I rolled back to Windows XP and I was like, I'm done with this. You know, like a reoccurring thing with me is I don't like being told what to do. Yeah. And I buy software and, you know, like, especially at the time. So it was like the early mid 2000s, probably mid late 2000s. Anyways, at the time it was less like now when you and I talk about software,

we talk about licenses. When you purchase software, you're no longer purchasing the tangible product you're purchasing a license yeah you're not purchasing like a physical cd you're purchasing this digital key that says you now have access to this but that key can be revoked at any time you know depending on the terms of their contract they uh create with you yeah yeah so uh at the time that wasn't like as prevalent or like well known so calling up microsoft and them saying yeah that thing that you bought is no longer good because you've used you you personally have used the license too many times and from their perspective they're the the technology to determine who's using it how

it was used all that all that jazz just wasn't there. So their brilliant answer to that is say, oh, five times, 10 times, 15 times, and then that key is just no good. Without making that clear to the customer, very, very strange business decision on their part. But that whoever, whatever executive at Microsoft said, this is how we're going to lock people into our product and get them to buy more keys. You just pushed me to the world of Linux. And now here we are many years later, and I'm on the show with you. So that little event has led to this. It's kind of interesting to think about. What distro did you first find yourself on? Did you end up jumping around between different things, or were you sort of just comfortable where you first wound up? between different things or were you sort of just comfortable where you first wound up?

So I started looking into Windows alternatives and the first things that I found were FreeBSD and Linux, of course. And the Linux community turned me off big time because they were like totally anti-everything, like anti-establishment. And I wasn't as into that then as i am now now i'm all about it i'm like hell yeah you know like screw screw the the big business and big companies but at the time i was like i just want i just want to play my games yeah never mind never mind going into it like am i gonna play my games on free bsd especially at the time no but i didn't know that i was totally naive and i was just getting into it so the first distro i distro that i ran was probably pcbsd way back in the day it's not even around anymore it was cool but um yeah it did not do what i needed it to so a lot of back and forth on windows xp and trying out different distros and stuff and the

first Linux distro that I ever used used was probably Fedora and I think that it was called Fedora core at the time okay yeah for anyone who may not recognize pcbsd it also got rebranded to true OS at some point so that continued being released until uh the latest release i'm seeing is 2018 so i don't know if the project's dead no okay development ended in 2020 so 2018 was the last stable release and then i guess the project sort of just fell apart from there and, you know, no one continued it. I think that what happened was there's just no money in the space. Sure. And the company that was doing it, you know, they want to make money and they can't run on investor funds forever.

So it was like, well, let's pivot to more enterprise BSD. And that's where TrueOS came from, I think. I'm like basically speculating. But PC BD wasn't terribly popular I thought it was really well branded it looked rad like you went to the website had good name it had good branding and everything but the consumer market just wasn't there well yeah especially when did you say what year did you say it was sorry was it oh I don't know late 2000s or something oh yeah definitely software definitely was not there at

that point like no way no especially installing it was hard what was the install process actually like i've gone back and installed things like early versions of ubuntu but ubuntu's always had like a nice it's it wasn't always a graphical installation process. Originally, it was more of like the Debian-like installer where you have the CLI interface, but it's always had a nice-ish way to install it. What was the installation process for PCBSD back then? Dude, I don't remember. I don't.

Nothing at all. I have like no memory of it at all. nothing at all i have like no memory of it at all i know that i know that fedora's installer was i think it was what it basically what it is today where it's just like you want to install it pick a drive go but yeah pcbsd's installer i don't i don't remember it very well, like at all. So what made you want to go from the BSD side over the Linux side then? Like what was, was it just software support? Was it developer support? What exactly brought you over to that side? So I went with PCBSD simply looking at the communities and seeing that the Linux community

was like super toxic and the ESD community was like, Hey, let's all just like, you know, proprietary software, all that stuff. I didn't get, like, I didn't understand the, like the core differences between free and open source and proprietary software. Like I was like, eh, software is software. And I mean, like it is, and you know, you can, you can choose to to have a deeper relationship with it from that aspect. I only want free and open source software. But at the time, I didn't really care.

So the free BSD crowd, I was like, I like these people because they're like me and they don't care. They just want software that works and they want it to be secure and fast. So that's why I went with PCBSD but I bailed on the BSD crowd because the compatibility and support just like forget it even getting NVIDIA drivers like you could do it I think NVIDIA supported BSD for a long time

but it was hard to get the drivers installed and there was no Steam support like you had to use Wine to install Steam and it was just this whole thing. And the workflow was just better on Linux, so that's what I gravitated to. I just wanted something that worked, is really what it comes down to.

I can't speak for how well they function, but there are still modern drivers for the FreeBSD side from NVIDIA. I don't know if they're any good or how like the nvidia drivers on the linux side are already sort of like you know questionable depending on what you're trying to be doing um so as you you came over the line that the linux side because of the software support when did the i guess that lin that Linux sort of, I guess, the Linux ideology, that care about free software,

that care about, you know, the freedoms you have, the whether something is proprietary, you know, your data importance, whatever you want to, however you want to phrase it, when did that sort of come into it? Or how did that come into it, I guess? it or how did that come into it I guess I don't have like a good single story before that like you think I would but I don't I think that it I think that my love and appreciation for free and open source software built over time and I'm I'm the kind of person where I have really strong core beliefs and values. And those come from others questioning my beliefs, my belief system.

So I worked at a company for quite, I worked at this particular company for quite a while and we were all Windows all the time. And it was like a total Windows.net shop. And I was coming in and I knew I ran Linux at home. I knew all this stuff stuff but i may also knew windows just fine well and not like i was in qa so i didn't need to know windows super well i just needed to like test stuff you know so um i just kind of walked around with my linux knowledge like flexing it when i could because like all these developers seemed so ignorant to me that

like the idea of opening a terminal like opening a command line or whatever the hell windows called it at the time that like scared them like that was so crow magnin to do that and i'm over here like do do do do do do like doing all this crazy magic and they're like what is happening and it's funny because some of the qa test tools had to be run through uh like the terminal like a selenium web driver and stuff test tools had to be run through like the terminal, like a Selenium web driver and stuff. You just had to run it through and later it was like PowerShell, but these were like app developers that could not write code without Visual Studio. And my previous gig, like that's, everybody was in, they're like SQL developers. So like if you wrote code, you

had this big, huge IDE and it wasn't just a place to write code. It was a place to write it, build it, ship it, distribute it. And you were locked into that Microsoft Visual Studio lifecycle. And it's like these people didn't realize how bad that was. And like I started to see it, like seeing these really intelligent developers just totally stuck because they didn't have the tools like they they were incredibly smart developers but they couldn't do anything without their tools like that just i don't know that that was probably my first like this is weird why would you want a company telling you how you can use your like intelligence i don't know. That seems weird to me. So to rewind back to that company where I was doing QA, I was on a project where we

needed to do some mobile testing. We were writing an app for mobile devices, and we needed to do a little testing. So I looked at the solutions in C Sharp and.NET Land, and they all sucked. It's not that they sucked, like they did suck, but it was really early and Microsoft. And I think it was Zamoran or the company that handled mono. They hadn't been acquired by Microsoft. It was like right before they were acquired, but, but their field,

they're like their tooling wasn't there. So I found another, another tool based on Rubyy called uh calabash android and i think that that was later acquired by the zamoran people but it was based in it used like cucumber and behavior driven development behavior driven testing or something it was this crazy framework it was really cool at the time now i'm totally not into it you're at But this is a long story to say that the test harness and framework that I built had a CLI entry point. So there wasn't a GUI. I mean, you could use Visual Studio. But it was like, all right, you just open a terminal and run Ruby and then the script.

And I had to demo this and show my team of four people how to do it. And there was this one guy that was just like no i will not do that i'm like why though but like well i don't understand like open a terminal type in ruby and pass a file and he's like we need an ide like this does does not compute for these developers wait so i presume that these developers when they're interacting with git or whatever probably get whatever visuals visual safe like what i was gonna say is i are they using some sort of like gui to interact with it because most people at least like even if they do nothing else in the

terminal at least most developers at least know how to use git in the terminal to be totally fair the way that visual studio integrates with source control is awesome so like i i get i get that i totally understand that so but these these just they just never touched i get a command line ever it's been a while since i used your studio i completely forgot about like how for okay for all the things that i don't like that microsoft does visual studio is a really it is a really i don't want to say well built because a lot of things i don't like about visual studio but it is an environment where you can it's sort of like the apple ecosystem where you can be in a situation where you never leave it like you can do everything you need to do without interacting with anything else and i guess i just completely forgot about the

git stuff because when i was using video studio i did the git stuff from the terminal just because i found that like easy to do but no that makes your workflow yeah yeah yeah yeah so that was that was like another another thing like you guys are literally vendor locked like you've been brainwashed to love your vendor and be like i can't live without microsoft and visual studio and i'm like jesus i i don't know what to say so uh fast forward even further at that gig and um you know like my i was able to flex more of my my linux chops i mean it came in handy you know like you especially moving forward like you can't avoid linux like if you don't know some linux stuff at least you're able to like speak to it or or you

don't want to like super deep dive into it but like say you're in a meeting and linux comes up like have enough to be able like know enough about to be able to talk about it, talk about its benefits, you know? But I was always that dude in the room. So my manager at the time, he wasn't a big fan of the GPL and the aggressive free and open source licensing. And so him and I kind of went back and forth about it in a very friendly sort of way.

You know, like I said, I like it when people challenge my beliefs. And that helps me kind of like become who I am, I guess. And that did, you know, I was like, well, I thought that I was all about the GPL and the way that it like worms its way into software. But like I understand the arguments against it. arguments against it and i think gnu readline is a library that was actually written with the intent for other libraries to use it and if they use it they have to become gpo so that's like the viral licensing yeah he really hated yeah i i think a lot of people i I totally get the perspective of the hardcore everything has to be free software situation. Anyone who has that sort of mentality of software.

And if you're talking about software that is never going to be used in a commercial context, I get it. If you're writing a random terminal, a random tool that you need to be using yourself, you don't really care if anyone uses it outside of you. I get just throwing that out to the world as a bit of GPL software, but I think when it comes to GPL, there's a lot of people who are very anti-other licenses like there's every soft and i'll get someone in my comment section who will go on this big rant about the mit license how they refuse to use anything that's using mit because if they use this project using mit then someone can go and fork the project and they can make it proprietary, which is all like valid things,

but it doesn't like the fact that it's MIT doesn't affect their usage of that application. All that affects is the existence of these forks. And if like, you know, something goes down that direction, a lot of the developer support goes down that fork. Like sure. That's a concern at that point.

goes down that fork like sure that's a concern at that point but the fact that it's using mit by itself doesn't negate the benefit of the the software as is like one recent example of this is i was talking about the um pop os's new environment they're building which is based on smithy which is uh licensed in mit and this is where that discussion came from where they'll worry that you know someone's going to go and fork smithy and it's going to take a proprietor and all of that but i i it doesn't it doesn't affect at all the main smithy project like i i i i hope what i'm saying here makes any level of sense I just think there is

there is a place to be concerned about licenses when there is a potential for there to be a corporate interest in the project but I think some people take it a little bit maybe a little bit too seriously when it's just some like throwaway project sometimes i've

sort of jumped around a bit too much there i i just realized that as i was saying some stuff there but um it's all good yeah that that tends to happen um no no it's it's good uh if i may interject i'm thinking when you're talking about when you're talking about MIT and people being concerned about other parties and other interests doing other things with it, basically, it reminded me of MongoDB and the Elasticsearch Elk stuff. So MongoDB is probably a really good example. What's going on with the Elk stack in Elasticsearch is maybe a little more nuanced. But with MongoDB, it's an open source, or was an open source. I mean, it still is.

But people are like, eh, the licensing is weird. But it's a really, really powerful open source project and database. Like, it's super rad. And it's a company that is building it. You know, they're paying developers lots of money to make this and uh at that company where i was talking about qa we actually had a mongo db consultant

come in and train us up on it and i mean it was fine but i like you know somebody like i guess we paid for that dude to come out but still like he was an employee of mongo and presumably but anyways what i'm saying is that these companies are putting money into these projects that are permissively licensed and people can just take them and do whatever they want. So eventually the suits and executives are like, hey, we need to figure out how to lock this down because they, from, from way up above, they look down and they see all these little independent people forking their software and making it their own. And they're like, whoa, that, you know, however they rationalize or justify it, like that's

money going out the door, you know, whatever. So they changed their licensing to make it less permissive. And people are like, it's no longer open source. It's just not. And it was like this big deal. But I think it's an interesting question when companies start with an open source offering and then they want to figure out how to make it profitable without screwing with licensing i think i think an an example uh perhaps a successful example that i honestly don't know a ton about is gitlab

and gitlab is a tool that i use and i manage every single day. And it's really, really good. Like for an open source project, it is, I mean, any project, even if it's closed source, it could be crap. But GitLab is open source and I use the open source version. They have an enterprise offering too, but I use the open source version. I manage it and it's really, really good. Developers are super professional. They have an awesome release cycle tons of communication and it's like this is an open source project fully open source and it's awesome i can't

speak to the financials of the project i mean maybe they're like way in the red they just don't want to talk about it that would be a shame but like there are success stories where something is fully open source able to be used and forked by the community, and it's still good. I think one place... How's GitLab licensed? Is that MIT, BSD, GPO? What are we looking at here? It's one of those...

I believe it's one of those three. Yeah, that's one maybe you should look up. GitLab licensed. Watch, it's like not open source at all. No, it's open source, but they have enterprise offerings that behind a wall sort of thing. I don't want to see that premium version. Show me the GitLab repo.

If I just look up GitLab, GitLab, let's see if that shows up. It does. Yeah, it does. What's that license? No, I think this is the repo. Where is their license? I don't use GitLab a lot. I don't know what the license is license here we go let's see what does it say yeah uh mit there it is boom sorry mit expat i'm not sure what the distinction with that license is, but it is a variation of the MIT license. I think the distinction can be made here with software that is intended to be used by many people as opposed to used by one party.

When it's something like GitLab, I can understand the concern with it being a very permissible license like this because there could come a situation where say uh you know microsoft may be a bad example because they already have github but let's say amazon for example said they wanted to do source control and then they forked gitlab and then their version of gitlab became the main version then you could expect a lot of that developer support to move over to that version and that could eventually go proprietary at some point i think the situation is very different with something like smithy where that project was sort of like it existed as a wayland, but nobody's really using it. Where, like, System76

came along and then actually gave it a purpose. It being a permissible license in this case doesn't really change the fact that, like, nobody was using it beforehand. And it... They've sort of, like, given it some sort of life.

They could take proprietary at some point. That's entirely possible but i don't think it's it's moving that that work from one location to to another which is the concern i i see a lot of people having when it is something permissible i think that i i think that's a good point and i think that that's more of an issue with smaller projects. Going back to the GitLab thing, and it may or may not relate to the Smithy thing, but let's say, for example,

Amazon wanted to get into source control, right? That'd be weird, but they actually, to be honest, Amazon actually has, AWS has source control. They have their own setup, so they've already done it. For this example, let's say that Amazon, that we all know and love, they want to get into source control, and they forked GitLab and made Amazon Lab or something. We'll call it whatever. So you could argue that that's a bad thing because now you've split the audience, you've split the engineering effort and everything. But you could look at it from another perspective and that amazon again we're using amazon as a company like and as example it's huge so from that perspective oh amazon just

released their new offering but now everybody that is interested and tuned into amazon is aware of their offering and that offering is a fork of another project. So eventually people will be funneled. And then is more choice a bad thing? Like you have GitLab and let's say somebody gets burned by GitLab and they can go to an alternate version, a fork of GitLab that Amazon is offering.

So it's just extra choice, right? I think that is a fair point but i it also becomes a a concern with when it becomes so distant from that original project like i want a good example of this is uh mastodon so mastodon i you've got your mastodon account um there is gab and truth social which both are forks of mastodon which make gab does it a little bit but truth social made no mention of the fact like this was a big controversy when like the beta happened that that was a fork of mastodon that being a fork it being so separate from it that they don't really there's no there's no way to dive there's no way to divert those people from one project to the other when it makes no indication of it being a fork of that original project yeah i would say that there's no synergy between the

projects right like there's there's feedback and they're playing off one another but if they're so detached and distant like if if amazon did do this weird thing and and fork uh git lab and there's no mention it's completely different then yeah i guess people wouldn't wouldn't really know about one another but um maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part. Maybe. But, like, no, I think licensing is a very important discussion that... It's weird. I will make videos on licensing that I feel like are pretty interesting videos, and judging by, you know, people having their discussions in the comment sections,

like, in videos that aren't related to that one it seems like licensing is this topic that a lot of people in the the FOSS space are really interested in and maybe that was the case like a couple of years ago but I think we're actually sort of getting into this this space where Linux is kind of branching out of just the FOSS people especially now now that we have, you know, the Steam Deck is obviously... Yeah. Are you still there? Discord, just for a moment. Like, you've got the Steam Deck now,

where now you've got a lot more of the Linux gamers, and you had Proton for a thing, like, quite a while now. So, using Linux isn't just a thing that only the FOSS people are doing now and I guess the proportion of people that are using Linux that actually care about the license and about how things are licensed I don't think the like raw number is going down but the the overall it looks like a lot less because of that that growth that linux has been having yeah definitely that's that's actually a really cool observation i see on reddit all these people like presumably kids that are getting into the steam deck they're

getting into linux and they're whoa, you just pass in these parameters and the performance changes and stuff. You know what's funny is back in XP and Vista and 7, you could do that too. That's how Windows, you pass in all these crazy parameters and get games and stuff to behave different. And now with Windows 10 and 11, it's just like, this is how it runs and there's

really not much you can do to fine-tune it or whatever and then you go over to linux and there there is definitely a type of techie tinkery person that likes that like for a long time i personally like denied the fact that i like it when my system breaks like isn't isn't that crazy like but you know what i'm talking about, right? I know exactly what you mean. Something screws up and I'm like, all right, I'm rolling up my sleeves and we're going to get to the bottom of it. And what's cool about it is a lot of times after fighting with that challenge, I'm smarter and I'm better equipped to deal with issues like that. For me personally, I like that.

And I can see how not everybody is like that but i like it no i use arch so like yeah so that's your jam exactly well i've sort of i've sort of turned my system breaking into a job so like there is that as well but even just just when I was first starting to use Linux, I did enjoy it when something... As long as I didn't have an assignment due or something at the time. But when I wasn't super busy with other things, if something went wrong, that's an opportunity to learn something new about your system.

Like, hey, I didn't understand the way that GPG keys worked for example and my my keys had expired in my package manager so now I have to go update that list and because I'm going to update it I might as well like look into why that's a thing that needs to be updated why this is a thing that we have connected

to our packages or a recent issue with with grub where there was like this broken version of grub shift and oh yeah yeah you got burned by that too i uh i skipped the uh affected version so i didn't i didn't have any like bootloader issues with it but oh um yeah it like that's an opportunity to like look into why this is the case maybe not look into it as much as you know i might do for a video where i'm gonna read some mailing lists for three hours but it's still an opportunity to look into sort of why this happened

and why the bootloader functions in this fashion maybe even look at what other bootloaders might be available like hey is this a chance to try out systemd boot or refined or maybe even go like uh just you know straight uefi boot and just skip the bootloader altogether yeah yeah totally my i'm i have i've uh graduated from qa and software i mean i guess it is a software engineering i'm like a systems engineer basically like some people would call it devops i don't like the term devops very much i'm just a operations dude but when something breaks and screws up like that my thought is like okay this will never happen. I am going to find a way to script this so this never breaks or screws up again.

So I wouldn't have that drive had I not used Linux and had my system break. And don't get me wrong, it's painful. I remember one time I wanted to show a friend something. I was running OpenSUSE a long time ago, and I did an update, and the display drivers were gone. Like, nothing worked. And, like, that's really frustrating, and it was embarrassing.

But, like, damn it, it was character building, and I'm a better person because that happened. That's what I tell myself anyway. Well, you've got to convince yourself somehow the Linux problems are, are like good for you can't you we can't just sit around just complaining everything's bad all the time we're gonna gonna like convince other people outside of linux that you know it's not it's not all bad you know grass is actually greener on the other side come over here come experiment with it see what it's

like no for real and i think that that that's actually, that could segue to another topic. And that is for a while there was, I don't see it nearly as much today, but for a while there was this big push to get people like, we got to get everybody on Linux. Get your mom on Linux. Get your dad on Linux. Get your grandma on Linux.

Like, dude, hold on here. And this is like, it's 2022 now. I still wouldn't do that like there are distros i'd say endless os you know very immutable distros that are solid that won't break and screw up but by and large i would not recommend linux to just like everybody like that's that that is like gple like i i talked a little bit about gnu ReadLine and I get it, you know, like in the 80s and 90s when GNU and free software was like kind of like it was picking up and people were learning about it.

The idea that like we could force free software on people and have it. It's a very militant way of looking at it. And I mean, it's a way, but I don't think it's scaled. And it turned a lot of people off because like people people have agency they don't want to be forced into doing something especially when their like career is on the line like let's say you're a developer and you're like oh gnu read line it'll do exactly what i need to do include it and now suddenly it's like oh we just screwed our entire code base up like why i don't know why anybody thought that that was going to be, like,

a good way of getting people not interested in free and open source software into it. Like, oh, I guess I have to. What? No, that doesn't work that way. Well, yeah. What happens then is you end up getting things like, you know, you have the GNU core utils, and now you have BusyBox.

Like, you know, just because you have this thing right now, if it's not going to fit the use case that someone has, you know, someone is going to build something that, you know, is going to work for that. Like, a more modern example of that is the work that is being done with Asahi linux where people are taking the m1 max and like straight up reverse engineering drivers for them like lena is doing incredible work on this everybody else doing incredible work on this

and it's taking these devices that apple you know wants nothing to do with getting linux working like they're not actively going out of their way to stop it, but they're not going to help you. And so the same thing is true here with what GNU's done, where they want you to be using this in a certain way, but, you know, for the corporate use cases, that's not going to be happening. And as much as it's fun to hate on the corporations

and in a lot of cases you know many of them deserve it they're going to exist and they're going to find ways around the limitations that the gpl and that flavor of very aggressive open source software licensing has its place and i'm really happy that it exists i think that it's its origins were a little misguided like i said very militant very like you will go open source like what you Just it was a way to do it. I think that we've moved past that. But I think the GPL, like I use it in some of my software. I look at the GPL license as a way to make a statement or create something for the public benefit.

One project that I'm well aware. I't use it but i used to and i'm i'm familiar with it and it's gpl sorry you discord cut out when you said whatever you just said oh linux game server manager ah yep yeah yeah so that's gpl i. I'm pretty sure it's GPL. But the idea is that if you make a really awesome project that's really influential, and it could be used, it could be monetized, but you don't want it to be, it's a personal statement. And I'm not trying to attribute that to any project. I mentioned Linux Game Server Manager,

but I'm not trying to attribute these thoughts to it. It's MIT, by the way. Is it MIT? Yeah, it's a bad example. That's fine, yeah. linux game server manager but i'm not trying to attribute these thoughts to it but that's mit by the way is it mit that's fine yeah but uh when i think of the gpl in my in my software not that i have like big projects or anything but is this something that somebody could take and commercialize and if so then i want to consider like am i okay with that and like i am And if so, then I want to consider, like, am I okay with that? And, like, I am. But if it's a very personal project that I put a lot of work into, maybe I'm not. And I want to put the GPL on there to stop.

I mean, you could look at it almost like a way to copyright. Like, prevent big, mean, aggressive companies from stealing your code and putting it in their code base without giving you any credit. Because MIT doesn't require that, right? I mean, it says you have to move the license all around. But if you're using MIT code that you've then closed and put in your code base or just copy and paste it, nobody's going to know you did it. Yeah.

So from that regard, if you're working on a personal project or something that's very influential using the GP, Linux kernel is a great example, right? I mean, actually, I should use that one because the Linux kernel is GPL, BSD is BSD. And because the Linux kernel is GPL, everything has to stay in the open. And sometimes Linux is used as an example of like, look, it can work. But the thing about the Linux kernel is it has huge critical mass. It's gigantic, right? And it's also like incredibly valuable, like the value of the kernel, everybody can use it, does it all this stuff. If you just made a little project that's GPL, I mean, are people going to use it? Do people know about it? You know, you have to consider your licensing based on what you're doing who your audience is and i guess that goes back to the

original discussion around licensing like it's just it's a thing but it's something that developers and people have to consider well the important thing about linux as well is you're not usually integrating linux into another piece of software you're running software on top of Linux so it being it being GPL v2 doesn't really get in the way of most corporate use cases now there are certain cases where it might where you are trying to run very specific software but also it being v2 like the TiVo situation happened that's that's one of the things that caused the creation of gplv3 where it has more limitations on the way the software can be used to stop that being done but linus has always sort of been you can go back and listen

to conversations had back in like 2008 i think i want to say it's 2008 where he basically wants the software to be propagated, but doesn't like the idea of MIT necessarily because he wants the changes to be brought back to the project, even TiVo is running on this very specific hardware. The patches that TiVo had made weren't going to be useful to the core Linux project. But by having them shared back, someone else can make use of those patches and maybe run a version of the kernel on that TiVo device, which is what people have done over the years until the modern devices where they're a bit more locked down. But I think there's a lot of area for nuance here where GPL doesn't necessarily mean it's always going to be bad for corporate use and MIT is always going to be good for corporate use. Depending on what that software is doing and where it's sitting in the software stack,

it is going to have slightly different implications. Yeah, totally. Um, I was going to say something. What was I going to say? Um, some. Was it about licensing might have been uh i don't remember

i had one of those moments a little bit ago it it 10 look i no matter no matter when i record this it can be like middle of the day it can be three in the morning this is gonna happen at some point in the show where i'm just gonna completely lose my train of thought and derail the entire conversation but you know when you speak for 40 minutes you know something's something has to go wrong at some point yeah no i i hear you i get it so why don't we just um i guess, segue into your content creation. We didn't get into that earlier. Oh, God. Okay.

Yeah, let's do it. Let's talk about EG content creation and stuff. That's always a good response whenever I mention that. I mean, hey, like, I'm just, I'm still, like, I've been on YouTube for, since before 2014. I was going to say 2008. I don't know why that year jumped out at me. Have I been?

No. The channel was made in 2014. I was doing some stuff on YouTube before then, but that's all gone. But, yeah, to me, I'm just a dude. Like, I don't know. You sort of do stuff. Yeah. I do what brings me joy well how about we start with like why did you want to make like what what got you interested

in making content anyway like you know a lot of people they might just make one or two videos and then you know throw it away but you've sort of been doing it at a you know remotely consistent pace for many a years now yeah uh i don't know no i mean i could just like you know bookend it like that but uh i mean the short answer is i don't know i just do it. But the longer answer is, if I really think about it, my dad, when I was younger and even now, he makes videos all the time. He just gets out his camera, and he's a mad scientist,

and he's doing all this crazy stuff, and he sends me videos of it. And I'm like, hey, you know there's YouTube? And he's like, yeah. And then that's the extent of it. I'm like, OK, that know there's YouTube? And he's like, yeah. And then that's the extent of it. I'm like, okay, that's fine. I don't know. But I guess I have that bug to want to create content.

I like to create stuff. And I mean, for my love of free and open source software, what's the greatest joy about writing software? And to me, this is going to sound so like hippie-ish, but I'm here for it. I love to share it, man. I want to write something cool and I want to share it around. Because like, here's the thing, I would not be a developer, I would not be me today, if I hadn't had open source code and open source developers to work with like you know so the idea that i can give that back and i can open my code and and make coding videos and get people

excited about it like why would i not do that you know problem is that i'm not very good at it so i don't do it very often what the the coding or the the videos i'm not none of it really like i like i look at i it pains me when my older videos pop up in the feeds of my other channels i'm like dude get that out i don't like i don't watch my older videos i watch my newer stuff but my older stuff where i was just recording and throwing it up there yeah i no i i wish that those would go away. And sometimes I, like in the past especially, I've made videos private and stuff, but I've realized that I'm not the only, like, I'm not in a silo.

Like, there are other people out there, much to my, like, dismay, there are people that watch and enjoy my content. I'm so upset that people enjoy my now i have a weird relationship with with my channel and my content and like i'm becoming more comfortable with it i'm really trying to like i'm really trying to be more comfortable with the idea that people know of eegie and people watch my stuff and people enjoy it so um that i i've just not watched my older stuff because if i do i have this tendency to

want to be like private and i'll never watch that again so yeah on my current i've had many a chat i i've had channels where i've made videos like back in like 2000 and i don't know when did youtube come out like just after that. I've told the story of how I discovered YouTube many times, but the general gist of it is when I moved back from Queensland to South Australia, which is the state I'm living in now, my cousin who at the time, I think he still is a software engineer, and he told me about this this website that i first i didn't really know what a website was because i didn't have an internet

connection before that i lived in the middle of nowhere queensland uh went to a really rural school like 60 students very tiny place uh so when i came back to south australia uh got my first internet connection like first home internet connection. And he told me about this website that had a bunch of videos on it. And it sort of like had just come out in like the past six or so months. And that website was YouTube. And I then made videos, you know, probably a year or so after that. And, you know, throw away channels here and there.

At some point, I'll mention some of them at some point, because there are videos still up on those channels. They're not associated with you, though? You know, we'll just ignore those. I mean, hey, man, I got them too. I got channels with just, like, crap out there. I'm like, mm-hmm. I was so young, though, that you'd be really hard-pressed to tie it to me

without actually knowing that it's me. But where I was going with that is every time, like this happens sort of in a rolling in a rolling way i always feel like the last six months my content is you know remotely good and anything before that is garbage don't watch yeah and oh i i feel you man and i i get comments on like videos back videos back from, like, 2020, I'm like, like, 2019, I think it was videos, whatever, from, like, those earlier videos, and I'm like, why are you watching this, and some of them will be like, hey, this is a great video, like, no, it's not, what are you talking about, that's not true at all, like, I'll, I'll go back and look at it, and I think the problem when,

I'll go back and look at it and I think the problem when when you go back to one of your old videos you sort of remember the the mental state you're in when you made that so there was a period when I like I was like really depressed when I made these videos like no no these are bad like do you do you hear the way I'm speaking I sound like I don't want to be here. Everything I'm saying is like terribly researched and it's all nonsense. And I'm going on these long-winded tangents. I'll go on long-winded tangents here, but like I don't plan anything here. I go on these long-winded tangents

where I say nothing at all. How are you enjoying what I'm saying? How are you getting anything of value out of this i don't know people people just want to people just want to watch stuff yeah i i hear you man i totally totally do i think if you're not if you anyone who does like their old content like there's okay there's a you can appreciate the the path that you've come through but i think anyone who like genuinely thinks their old content is good they've sort of stopped growing yeah that that's a good point that is a really good point yeah like it's i don't

think it's just with with that like you play guitar i'm sure if you go to listen how long have you been playing guitar now a long since 20 years something long long time if you have any early recordings and you were to go listen to some of them i'm sure honestly i'd love them yeah i i had a i yeah i i there was, there was a time long ago when I was really into like recording and producing. I have a very weird relationship with music and I'm really trying to get back into it, like get into my emotional connection with my musical instruments and stuff. Like, you know, there's a lot to it. And on my other channel, that's why I've kind of that's actually why I've been recording not just my tunes because I've got it on SoundCloud and

stuff too but I want to see what it looks like to play that song and like not just me and my movement and performance, but also the chord shapes and stuff. Yeah, yeah. But there was a time when I was recording stuff, and I had it all on Google Music back in the day, like actual Google Music. People probably don't even remember it. But I didn't publish, by the way. I just uploaded it there.

It was a thing. I don't even know how to describe it. But when I deleted an old Google account, it took all that with it. So I lost all of my old recordings. And I remember one song that I wrote on there that there was a little solo that I played, and I don't remember how I played it. So I'm channeling that. And I'm like, OK, it's not enough that I record the audio.

I want to see myself do it that way i can look at my hands i really love watching live performance i love going to concerts and stuff but i love watching concerts on youtube and stuff and i'm just like like it just like entranced by the guitarists and everybody's doing all this crazy stuff and i'm so into it so that's why i was like well wait if i do this and i forget how to play something which i do all the time i can just go back to the video and be like oh yeah that's how to do it so as i was mentioning i think i've mentioned a couple times in this podcast i started learning guitar uh doing that for about seven days now so you know you've got a

got a good a bit more bit more time to catch up to your experience um but now like there is there is so much like right now i'm going through a series by um a guy called marty schwartz he's got this incredible series on youtube going over like he did like he's got these videos going over like one or two chords every video he'll be like hey he i think he started with e minor and then was like hey here's um a and here's uh g and now like here's i think the last one i did was like c and then d yeah um this is an incredibly good series that go over like these basic chord shapes in a really, a really, um, fun way.

Cause as he's going through them, he'll like demonstrate songs that you can play with them as well. Like he'll be like, Hey, you can play, uh, sweet home Alabama with this set of chords. You can play,

uh, knocking on heaven's door with this set of chords. And it's a really, it honestly, I'm having a lot of fun with it as i said i only do it for seven days maybe i'll get bored of it after a couple of months but this is a great way to to learn like this is a great way to get myself interested in it what was your experience you know i'm sure the resources were much less when you started what what was your initial experience actually learning to play learning to play guitar dude my my guitar and music journey has been rough so um my mom really didn't want me to get into rock music. I played piano. My folks put me into piano.

And I didn't get anything out of it. I had and have a lot of issues with anxiety and performance anxiety. So I wasn't able to get around that when I was younger. That's all I could focus on. And I never learned to read sheet music. So I just watched what the instructor was doing with her hands. And I just did that. And I mean, that sounds cool. I've heard other read sheet music. So I just watched what the instructor was doing with her hands. And I just did that. And I mean,

that's, that sounds cool. I've heard other people say that, but it doesn't get you very far. So I, I didn't, I didn't get very far and I did like one, maybe two performances.

I didn't like, I stopped doing it. Well, piano is like, that's like a lot of things. That's a lot of places to remember. Yeah. I mean,

like honestly, the piano is really hard. I mean, there's people that can play it beautifully, but I like to be fair fair I would love to get a synth and I would love to learn to play the keys but um I'll probably do that someday but when I was 14 maybe 15 uh I finally got a guitar and my mom let me get a guitar and I got it and I was really into it and I was like I wanted to play like Van Halen that's what I wanted to play so that's what I started playing and in retrospect I did pretty damn good for starting like I thought I was I was terrible like everything was so hard

it was really hard to get my fingers to behave it It still is, actually. But I was playing Ain't Talkin' About Love pretty early, and it sounded okay. I practiced that intro riff over and over and over and over again until I could play it with my eyes closed. But I never thought I was good. I had a friend that got a guitar at about the same time, and I was like, dude, we could play together. This will be great. He also had an electric guitar. So it was just like two electric guitars, which is a little weird. And I wasn't into singing at the time. But we were playing.

And he didn't practice as much as I did. So I got ahead of him. And he just stopped playing. He's like, you're just better than me. And I don't want to play. I'm like, that's not how this is supposed to work. It was very, very discouraging. So I put the guitar up for a while.

And then I got back into it. But my girlfriend at the time did not like it. So I put it away. And I got back into it when I was living on my own. So it's just been like this up and down sort of thing and I've always had trouble with chords and chord progressions and stuff and at some point

I just decided to do away with these funky shapes and just tune my guitar to the key that I want to play in so if you see me playing and I'm just moving my hand up and down and not really doing crazy stuff I'm using one finger because I have my guitar tuned to open D so I

just move it to different places to play different major chords and then you can augment it but it makes rhythmic playing really really easy and that's just my style i i i i think the the concern that someone you know you could make the argument like oh you're not you're not doing it you're not doing it properly but i think at the end of the day good at the end of the day if you're having fun with it i think that's that's way more important like your friend that dropped it like you know he stopped playing the guitar like you're playing the guitar it doesn't matter that you're playing in this certain way like you're doing it yeah i don't know people people are strange i mean when you want to when you want to be good and you're not and somebody else is good and you want to be that can be really painful you know so like i get

it you know i saw other guitarists and they were awesome and then i'm coming in there i can't i barely make a g shape and i'm just like no i'm done but um yeah you know like another thing when when i have my guitar tuned weirdly people would be like that's not how you're supposed to play and like you know at the time i'd be like yeah it's because i suck and i'm making the guitar work for me but now that i'm like older and wiser, I'm like, yeah, I suck. And I'm making the instrument work for me in a way that doesn't suck. But I mean, if you think about it, it's your instrument. It's your tool.

Who is telling you that it has to be in standard tuning? Oh, well, drop D is lame. It's like, I don't care. is telling you that it has to be in standard tuning you know oh we'll open you know drop d is lame you know open it's like i don't care like i i'm up here jamming and rocking and you're over there telling me how bad i suck you're not making music i am so just like it's your tool make it work for you yeah absolutely like there was a um there was a video i saw i don't know a week or so ago where someone stringed their bass uh like guitar just for the meme of it yeah what did it sound like like i'm curious it sounded pretty good yeah i mean if you listen like there's bands like white stripes there's all sorts of experimental bands you doing all sorts of like Sonic Youth was was the early one that was really influential, but like, they're doing all sorts of weird, crazy stuff. So where is this elitism coming from? Like, you can only play in standard tuning? Like, can you? Okay, the person saying that, can you play in an alternate tuning? Because if not, then what are you telling me for i like alternate tunings when i when i see someone do it's not just at learning guitar

like when i when i see someone doing something something at a high level like i am also you know doing i'm doing uh like starting to learn how to play golf. And when I see someone doing something at a high level, like, it's just, I don't get disheartened. Like, when I see, like, you know, you can get disheartened by, I don't know, Jimi Hendrix. Like, sure, you could get disheartened by that, but also it's Jimi Hendrix.

Like, that's something impressive to see. Like, gain inspiration from that. Sorry, what was that? Yeah, ideally you would gain inspiration from that, but, you know, it's really easy to get into that. Like, I'll never be that good, so why should I even try? Like, eh, I don't know. I think that's where it goes back to just find some way

to have fun with whatever you're doing. Like, don't, you know, you could learn. I could right now go and find a guitar instructor that's going to be like, okay, you're going to learn how to play Twinkle Twinkle Little Star. And you're going to learn how to play that until you can strum perfectly. And I will drop it in two lessons. Yeah, exactly. strum perfectly and i will drop it in two lessons yeah exactly no actually i want to i want to take that example and tell you uh tell you a story uh about kind of that with me i've never had guitar lessons ever i've every everything i've done is self-taught i did take vocal lessons, voice lessons, like a couple times. I was working at this place, and I was so blessed to be working there at that time, because it was a really difficult time in my life.

And it was a well-paying job, but the company, we were a satellite office, and they didn't have any frigging work for us. So a lot of days, we were just engineers chilling at this office in downtown portland and the area was like beautiful and like some days we just like me and this guy dave we would just go for like a walk for hours it's just nothing to do anyways so dave coincidentally was um a guitarist and this other guy i don't remember his name, but he was like a singer. He did all sorts of stuff, but he got me hooked up with a vocal coach. And I saw her a couple of times. And I just like one of the first things I said in this was that I don't like being told what to do.

So I'm like, I'm singing. And she's like, no, that's not how this works. You have to do it like this. And I'm like, OK. And then after two lessons i'm like this is not fun i need to be having fun i'm sorry like i can't do something unless i'm enjoying it and doing these stupid exercises you know what i liked i loved it when she would play a note and i would match that pitch and i'm like can we do that and she's like no you need to work on singing with your stomach

like with your stomach you know yeah and i'm like no i i i understand i want i need to learn that but i don't want to i want to learn how to match what you're doing on the keyboard so we had a disconnect and i bailed but um yeah like that's you got to be like what you said about Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star, like that's not fun. That's not gonna keep you engaged. For some people, like that's not a bad way of teaching holistically. Like there's a lot of people, a lot of kids,

whatever that learn that way. But me personally, no, that is not my style. I think this is where it's like the, where the internet can like really help out a lot of things. Like, you've got all of these different ways that you can approach something now. Like, programming, for example. Like, I...

You can learn programming by going to the university. You can go through your courses. You can learn computer science. You know, all of this stuff that, you know, is probably good in the long run, but you could also go and pick up, say, a tutorial on YouTube that's going to teach you the fundamentals of Python, and it's going to give you this fun exercise you can go through, and you'd approach it that way as well, and the same thing, like, with sort of anything else, like,

the internet's opened up this this way that a lot of people can learn things in a very different way because the people who are teaching them the reason they're teaching it a lot of the time is because this is the way that they wish they had learned like they they got that traditional learning experience and they hated it but there's this better way that the information can be brought to you that you might actually like keep it up and in the long run enjoy it a lot more that's an interesting that that is an interesting observation so if somebody wants to learn programming and they they don't want to go to university uh would you if so if that person that wants to learn but doesn't want to go to

university if they tune into a youtube channel youtube character personality and is learning how to code from their videos presumably learning would you say that they are self-taught or would you say that that channel is who taught them like if you graduated from a university with a computer science degree how did you become a programmer well i went to school for it okay so if you learned everything from youtube are you self-taught or are you a youtube programmer i know i know exactly what you're saying like i've i've heard this like go back to the music thing like i've i've heard a lot of guitarists say they are self-taught guitarists they learned from things online like you would like the way you would you would consider like the way i would

look at self-taught is you're just like dicking around on the guitar and you eventually work out like this these are things that sound good like that i would say is someone who is like truly self-taught i think a lot of people want to use that term self-taught because they didn't go through some more like traditional means that some would accept as you know you've had an education in this thing like you've had guitar lessons from a professional instructor you've gone to a in this thing. Like you've had guitar lessons from a professional instructor. You've gone to a university to learn programming or like done some, some sort of like a post-education course on programming like that,

that like some would, you know, they wouldn't consider that self-taught, even though in that experience, you're still, you're the one who's still really teaching yourself the information like no one can you can be presented the information like someone can say this is how you would play a g chord but you're ultimately the person who has to teach yourself like the finger placement for that the way that like feels the most comfortable with your like hand size and your like arm length something like that i don't know it's a really tough it's a really tough question isn't it i'd never really thought of that i'm glad to have asked a thought-provoking

question i think about some of the stuff that inspired me, and I think that that's the key word for my own growth, is when I'm inspired, I don't know... Like, when I'm inspired, sometimes I'll listen to a piece of music, and I'm just like, oh, this is good stuff. And lately what I've done, kind of an exercise, a self-teaching exercise that I've been doing is I listen to these these songs that I really really like and maybe they're rock songs maybe they're not but I listen to them and I

get a feel for what key they're in and I've've been focusing on that. Like, what key is this song in? Because if you know that, then you can play it, but like your version of it. I've never been a good guitar, I've never been a good musician that can emulate a style. And that was something that really held me back for a long time, because so much instruction from YouTube or from books is like, play this song. It's a Led Zeppelin song. And it's like, when I play it, it does not sound like Led Zeppelin. It sounds like not Led Zeppelin. I don't know what it sounds like. But then you hear or watch somebody at a guitar store and they're playing a song. You can hear them from the other side. I know what that is. But if I went over over there and played it it would sound like just like total butt so i think there's something to be said about playing to your

strengths and um emulating styles is just not a strength of mine so um going back to this exercise i'd find songs that are just they only use like major key like just in major there's not all this crazy augmented stuff going on and i figure out the chord progression like for the keys and then once i do that i can just like pick a key and just solo along with the song and just riff and it's just it's finger practice it feels really good to me because like when you cover a song, when you play along with the track, you're hearing it, and you dig it. You're playing a song that you like. I'm thinking of a couple songs where I'm like, oh, yeah, this is awesome.

But you've heard it enough times that you know when something, the chorus is coming up, there's an interlude or something, and you're preparing for it. That's how i am anyways but it's a really fun exercise that gets my ears in tune with the music but also like it works my fingers on the fretboard i've never heard of of anybody i'm not saying that there isn't anybody but like i've been around and i've never heard of people saying that is a good, that's a good way of practicing, like pick a song, find the key all by yourself.

Like, don't, don't go look it up because that takes part of the exercise out, like figure it out. You know, like I have a little, um, a little thing on my guitar that tells me what key I'm playing in,

which I recommend to everybody to get one of the things on that goes on the head. So you know what you're doing. And, uh, I just like play along until I, which I recommend to everybody to get one of the things on that goes on the head. So you know what you're doing. And I just like play along until I until I hear it until I hear that like harmony. And I'm like, this is the key. All right, let's feel around and find a shape that that works for it. And then that's it. It's really, really fun.

Hmm. That does that does sound really exciting. Yeah, it is fun it's a good way to practice just like riffing and jamming i found yeah you know look maybe at some point i'll i'll mess around with that but right now i'm just sort of i'm enjoying just learning like the different chord shapes i'm still in this very early stage where like everything is new and everything is exciting so look there's i got i got plenty of time i i can i can barely play some chords right now so like there's still you know plenty of time to get better at them my my g still sounds a little bit you you know, rattly sometimes. You know, learn something new.

You're not pushing the strings down hard enough. It sounds a little bit off. Or you're just slightly over into the next fret. And it's just slightly off. You know, for you and for anybody else interested in this sort of stuff, You know, for you and for anybody else interested in this sort of stuff, I was actually talking to a friend the other day about some challenges I had playing music early on that I didn't know were challenges. Because again, it's one of those things, I never heard anybody talk about this stuff. And at some level, it's like really frustrating because these issues were holding me back without a question.

I always thought I had little hands, like I always thought my hands were just small and too small to play on guitar. But then they're not actually. They're totally standard. Nothing wrong with my hands. The issue was the guitar. A lot of guitars have fat, chunky necks and they're hard to work around. they're hard to work around you know so like my the guitar that i have has a little tiny neck like it's it's it's really small i can i can wrap my my whole hand around it without any trouble and the the action on the strings is really really low so i mean i just look at the strings and i can press them so um on the flip side that means that I'm constantly having to adjust my truss rod. And to be fair, you need a pretty, oftentimes, you need a pretty expensive guitar to be able to have low action.

Because the fretboard's got to be perfect, and all this other stuff. But yeah, sometimes you might be playing the guitar, and you're like, I just can't make these shapes. I just can't press down on all of these. Well, the problem might be the neck you know like it might be too fat the like of the fretboard could be could be off so there there's a lot that goes into that that i i don't really hear hear instructors and stuff talk about it like i'm having trouble working oh you just got

to work at it you just got to work at it if the neck is too big it will never be comfortable you know like it's that that just in retrospect that frustrated me because i i had a guitar for a long time with a really wide nut i know it sounds funny but the thing at the top is the nut hey and it it it determines how thick the neck is and it was really freaking wide So it was hard to do anything with. Like in standard tuning, making like a bar chord, forget it. I didn't have the hand strength to do it. And I wouldn't want that, you know? Like just get a guitar that is meant for you.

Hmm. Go and grab mine. Is this cable long enough? Let's find out. We're going to find out. Here we go. Just long enough.'s find out we're gonna find out here we go just just long enough i like the color of that what what is it tell us about it uh it is the cheapest thing i could find that's what it is that's okay uh it's from a local australian company uh called artist guitars

um yeah i i didn't really think too much about like I didn't do too much research when I like actually went and um bought it so I didn't think too much about things like that um but I don't have any issue doing anything with it it might sound a bit funky because I've got my um noise suppression on so if it does sound you know I'm going to show you something

it's if I play an E minor right now it's going to sound really bad. That's okay. That sounded fine. Do I not have a noise suppression on? Yeah, do it again. It should...

Okay. Usually when I... No, I have a noise suppression on. It should just sound real funky. It sounds fine on my side. Yeah. fresh and all it should have sounded real funky like it sounds fine on my side yeah that's the intro chord to a song called cover me by uh candle box that's a good one i mean it's it's a minor but or whatever you played but like it's a chord for any song but you played that and my mind was like oh that's cover me which is a really good song by the

way candlebox if you like grunge i think i recognize the song it's really good very very emotional but like yeah my my expectation there was like the the call like i've tried to capture it like with my current setup like just just to see if I had to mess around with anything. And it's always sounded like a lot of the noise was just cut out. And I know it's because of my noise suppression. So it sounded fine there. I'm real surprised that it did. Hey, that's okay.

Yeah, it sounds good to me. I'd play, but I'd have to move the old microphone and change my whole ass setup i mean i'm not opposed to it just turn the rest of the show into you playing the guitar i mean i could like yeah maybe i could play you out with some tunes that'd be cool but now as i said i've what am i doing i've just been like having fun learning stuff, basically. Good, good. You should, you should be having a good time.

It's I, you learn, I think people learn better when they're having fun, right? Like all of all of those good memories from school. I mean, like you're having a good time. You're laughing, hopefully anyway, like that, that's how it is for me. I think back of school, I think back at school i think of all all the fun that i had right so why can't practice be fun yeah like when i was going through like i think most people have this experience when they're going through school they sort of especially when you get towards the end you sort of want it to be over because you're like hey i want to i

want to be an adult i want to go out into the world and then you get out into the world you're like this isn't that great is it it's sort of just like the same but more responsibilities that's how it is that is how it is well one thing I did want to

since we're on the topic of your content earlier uh i i guess some people probably don't even know you do this but you did mention at the start you have your your asmr as well do you do a lot of things you do you do gaming stuff you do linux stuff you got music stuff you got asmr stuff like yeah i've wanted to do uh motorcycle and travel stuff too that's something that's been on my backlog for a long time and i'll get to it someday that's actually of all of the things this is funny people might know me a lot of people know me from linux a lot of people now know me from asmr and a couple i guess i feel like a few people know me from my music stuff but what i

started out doing was cars and motorcycles working on cars and going on motorcycle trips with a camera that's what i started on youtube doing okay good stuff i'd love to get back into it oh no uh i supported the asmr channel and had the uh you know autoplay video just start oh yeah i have that muted now so it doesn't happen again but yeah i'd like to get back into that it's really really fun but um i i'm at this point i'm just kind of going with the flow like another summer has gone by and i didn't make a motorcycle video and that that hurts like that actually like i look at gone by and i didn't make a motorcycle video and that that hurts like that actually like i look at my bike and i'm like oh you're so pretty there's

so much i could do with you but you know there's always next year but you got the eg channel it's like sitting there doing its thing making guitar videos on nuevo eg and open eg um that's a thing yeah i don't know what made you want to of all the things what made you want to do asmr videos um you know people had made comments about my microphones and like the audio like my voice and stuff and I've always been really into listening to ASMR just either working it's usually while working like a lot of people use it for bed I use it for working really like if I'm focusing on something and it helps block out what's going on and it helps if the person has like if I'm listening to a person sometimes it's just noise but if I'm listening to a person they have a nice voice that is is easy for my brain to like flip to another

channel and leave it there and then i'm focusing on my work you know yeah yeah yeah but um i was like i wonder how this sure sm57 which is not this microphone it's another one that i had but i wonder how my sm57 would do asmr um and spoiler it wasn't good honestly i don't think the 57 did very good i think that this microphone works super well with my voice but the 57 did not but uh it it was it was difficult and it was really uncomfortable but the feedback that i got made me kind of like more interested in it like where could i go with this you know so i just like kind of went with it and i kept getting positive feedback and that positive feedback was so opposite from what i got from the eg channel

like on the eg channel I had people saying like, you know, screw you and your opinions and you did this wrong and that video sucked and you didn't do this, you didn't do that. And I just like got used to that. I was like, this is just YouTube, people suck. And sometimes I wonder why I'm even here. And then I went over to OpenEG

without the intention of building a community like I was just messing with sound you know but all these people came out and they were like this is rad like we want to listen to you and I'm like what is this like why do you want to listen to me you know for the past in number of years I've had people tell me that i suck so this is different so i i just like ran with it and now it's kind of spiraled into this thing where now i sit and make 40 minute videos where i'm just talking about nothing i mean all right like it's fun it's it's so weird when i'm doing it like it's the whole situation is so surreal and i can see what's happening from the like through the camera on the tv over here so i'm like this is bizarre

what a what a frame for discord to pause on oh is it it it's been freaking out today i can't well so i opened btop so that i can monitor my network and my network isn't dropping or anything so it might be my side that i don't know what if we switch regions uh i wonder what region it shows good question how do you even check that i uh what if we do um what's this break the call like either sydney or u.s west what are we on now automatic so i don't know brazil see what happens all right let's go to sydney and see what it does oh i thought the call just died did it die die? Yeah. It did for a moment.

Let's see if this is better. It might be better on my side. I don't know. We'll see. Yeah. I don't know. Well, the footage needs to be good for you, so wherever it's best on your side seeing me,

like if you freeze frame, like I don't care. Yeah, that's fair. Hmm. Technical difficulties. it always happens it's better than the call just straight up dropping so hey there's that at least yeah yeah i'm always really paranoid about my my network so i'm like i'm gonna watch it and it's it's good so it must be discord side you mentioned um some of the feedback you've had over on the linux side yeah um i did a bit of snooping around your comment section i noticed something very interesting go on i noticed some very familiar names some of those people who left a lot of the the hate comments over like

frequent videos i recognized names from my channel some of them i didn't recognize but every time i saw one of them i copied their name into my like youtube studio and there was always at least a couple of hate comments from them on my channel huh not some people you know have you legitimate criticism, but there are some people out there who I think just like being angry. It doesn't matter what it's about. It can be about your opinion on Linux. It can be about, I don't know, anime.

It can be about literally anything. Some people out there just want to find some reason to not like you. It can be anything. It doesn't matter. Yeah, I had a really bad relationship with my community for a long time. And OpenEG has really helped me disconnect myself personally from people making comments and attacking my

content. And another thing is that, you know, like, when I read comments, I read them as an American, speaking as an American. A lot of people, they don't speak English as their primary language. And, you know, a lot of other countries are very blunt when they speak like that's just how they're not being mean it's they're just saying it how it is and when i read that through the lens of an american it comes across as like that guy's a jackass but in reality they're just saying it how it is they're not trying to be mean so i remember i did a a debian video where i was like here's how you install it or something. And somebody was like, you don't actually have to.

There was something that I glossed over that I made it sound like you had to do, but you didn't have to do. And they were like, you don't actually have to do that. But I don't think that they were being rude. I think that they were just saying it. And I took it badly. So I try to be more open-minded in that regard. I mean, to be honest, a lot of times I don't really, I read comments, but I try not to react or respond to them because I want them to just like kind of bounce off, and then I can walk away from the

computer and let the criticism or perceived criticism just kind of go so i've built a more healthy relationship with the community in that regard that's something i've definitely had to work on myself like i that okay for context there was a period of time where i got like this was like five or six years ago um where i got like really into like political discussions on twitter and i would sit there for hours yeah it's a terrible idea waste your life well i would sit there for like hours and hours of the day just arguing about nonsense and as like there are occasions where that sort of comes back out with the channel where I will get into this long thread with someone. And it's something that I've definitely been trying to work on.

Nowadays, what I mainly aim to do is if someone is trying to have an actual discussion. I did a video about Rust in the Linux kernel. have like an actual discussion like i did a video about rust in the linux kernel and the comments that i try to respond to now are where i can have some sort of useful discussion like some uh one of the examples is someone said this isn't a great example of a because the video i did was this is a blog there's anti-rust this is a blog there pro-rust and I present them both in the video and Someone said hey, this isn't a great example of an anti-rust blog. So I was like, okay, what would be a better example? that person was you know offering I I feel like they were trying to offer that feedback in a a Productive way not saying, you know, this is a terrible choice

Why did you use this? It was it was framed in a way that i think was was helpful um and there are other like other comments like um i don't think rust is going to be good for the kernel and don't really expand upon it and i kind of prompt them for that expansion but when it's when it's those comments that are just trying to bring you down for the sake of bringing you down i think there is a i think there is a you can how would i phrase this if you don't connect yourself too much to the reply and you sort of just throw it out there just for the sake of it i think you can have some fun with it but the issue you get there is once you respond to a comment that's like that they know they've got your attention and that's when you can let yourself get dragged

in even if you're not trying to do so yeah yeah i can see that my eg videos don't there's not a lot of throughput anymore so the people that watch them presumably are people that are subscribed and engaged in what i'm doing so um well except that's one dedicated person who leaves a hate comment on seemingly every video that i've noticed you know like you know people can do that i guess it's all good it's all good anymore but uh the throughput has dropped which like it might be the youtube dashboard makes it sound like it's bad it's like oh man you know your views are down you've got all this stuff 10 out of 10 10 out of 10 yeah it's bad. It's like, Oh man, you know, your views are down. You've got all this stuff.

10 out of 10, 10 out of 10. Yeah. It's 10 out of 10, 10 out of 10. Every time I look at my dashboard, it's like that video didn't do good. And I'm like,

I don't care. I don't care why. Like I talked about this in an open EG video actually, but like, I don't want to go to my channel and see negativity, you know, like that sounds, you know, like it might sound silly, but like the bottom line is that I'm not want to go to my channel and see negativity. You know, like that sounds, you know, like it might sound silly, but like the bottom

line is that I'm not here to build a business. I'm not here to make money. I'm here because YouTube is a convenient video host. And it's also a convenient way of sharing what I'm doing with people that are interested. Now, there's like a built-in search feature. You know, people can discovery, find your you know people can discovery find your videos and anybody can find your videos and anybody can leave comments and that's fine but why do you have to show me that negativity every time i log into my damn channel it's very frustrating if i just want

to see comments for a video i have to go to the creator's dashboard first unless i've bookmarked it and the creator's dashboard is going to say hey that last video you did it sucked well maybe it was a shit post and I wasn't expecting anything out of it why are you making a big deal it's inferring it's inferring so much from the from the existence of the video like oh you must have wanted this to be popular maybe I didn't like it's none of your business really you know like it's i i saw somebody say on twitter um unsolicited advice is always criticism or something something along those lines and it's like i'm not asking for this analytic like these analytics and you're providing them to me in a way that is negative so i don't know who thought that that was a good idea or like who in the google meeting room said

let's force analytics on everybody like why do that you know i don't want it i just want to upload videos and occasionally see what people say about it that's it that's what i want to get out of youtube and the analytics stuff is very frustrating to me. If you can't tell. No, I totally get it. Like that data is incredibly valuable for like, if you're trying to build a business, you're trying to like, you know, you're trying to get your content out there. But one of the things I would like from the YouTube studio is if there was, you know, some level of customization at like,

if you want to see this information or you don't want to see it like you could you know maybe you just want to show your comments on that main page like i think the dashboard what like they keep adding in these features here and there like the i don't know if you even know this if you go to your i think it's under you like your analytics section and then like there's like a research section or something you can like search by um tags that people that watch your channel commonly search for like you know maybe have some way to display that on the home page that's what you want to see or you want to just see the comments on the home page you don't want to see the 10 out of 10 thing like let me just hide that if i don't want to see it. Yeah.

But it's just, it's always going to be in your face. And, you know, when the number's good, like, that's great. But there are some days where, like, I'll see that, like, this video, this, like, I have this bad habit of checking my analytics like first thing in the morning and this is a problem because if you do that you gotta stop that yeah no I'm very aware it's a problem um but yeah you you see a video and you're like this should do well and it's like 10 out of 10 like yeah I mean like unless you actively create your entire day actively create it does though like it even if you're like i don't care about that video it's like hey by the way that did bad and it's like you didn't have to say that

absolutely no like you you want people to see what you're doing like that's if you didn't want people to see it you just unlist it but there's a difference between that and having the numbers just always in your face no matter what you do i actually think that there's there's a balance that could be struck in that what if I want to release a video for people who are interested in EG and no one else, right? Because you can do it unlisted, but that won't tell your subscribers or anybody. You'd have to syndicate it yourself. Oh, so you want only visible to subs?

it yourself oh so you want to like just send you want like only visible to subs yeah or only notify or only make discoverable by subs or people like you know there's lots i watch channels that i'm not subbed to like sometimes it's just it shows up in my feed and i find myself going back to that person if there was some way to synthesize that and say, I'm only interested in producing, like, this video is targeted for my community. You know, it's very niche. It's very specific to people that are interested in EG. You know, maybe it's art or something. But if it's broadcasted, like, that's actually a really interesting thing. If I wanted to do something, make a video that is art related or something about EG and make it public, everybody that subscribes to EG would see it. And somebody that's interested in Linux is like, I don't care about this art garbage. I'm not, you know, thumbs down. I'll leave a nasty comment. Get this shit out of here. But I don't want that, though. That was intended for my followers, right? there's no way of doing that and i think that's really frustrating like i guess there's youtube like memberships or whatever that's the

only way i don't yeah i don't want the financial piece like at least not at this point in time like it's just it's weird that this is a niche thing that is easily facilitated by the existing tooling, but they just haven't done. I think the issue comes with the, like what YouTube is, it's a public video sharing platform. They want the content to get, they want the content to go out there and get viral. And that's, you know, the way they make money off the content. Like I get it from a business perspective, but from a creative perspective i think that would be like an incredibly useful tool like there are a lot of platforms that that have tools like this like art platform music platforms things like this where like even actually even patreon so you can uh be like follow a patreon page and then you will see what is you know part of that that page yeah

it's it's a cool model yeah i would love that if you shoot i wouldn't use it myself because i do like myself sort of going out there but i totally get wanting to keep things in in a in a niche community yeah that's that would be if there was like a target audience member for that that that would be me that would be the eg channel like i'm not really interested in the videos like i've got some videos that are really popular and continue to be popular because of their nature like a windows versus Ubuntu video from years ago, is like, it's still showing up. And that's fine. It's one of the older videos where I look back and I'm like, man, I could do that a lot better today. But it's a lot of work. It's not that I

don't want to do Linux content like that. I don't want to do it right now. I'm just not feeling it. like that i don't want to do it right now i'm just not feeling it i'm doing so much stuff really cool crazy stuff at my job and i just don't have any leftover passion to make eegie stuff right now i will someday like it's it's not over you know like i've been doing gaming videos stuff like that i'm just not passionate about making videos about it i'm passionate about it but i'm using that passion at my job yeah so like stuff that i would be making videos about i'm'm passionate about it but i'm using that passion at my job yeah so like stuff that i would be making videos about i'm just like i'm doing and i spend all my day doing for the company that i work for and there's just there's no passion left over to make videos and it's like i said eg's not gone it's just that's just the way things are right now

no i totally get that like i i'm not like i don't have a a job where i'm heavily making use of linux so this is sort of is my my outlet for what i'm talking about but yeah i like and i i get people wanting to come back. I don't know. Well, you know, it's... Yeah, sorry. Oh, no, no. Actually, I want to speak to that, actually. Because you said that you work at a job, you don't use Linux.

So you come here and you talk about Linux. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Makes total sense. I'm the opposite. When I was doing lots of Linux videos, when I was making Distroves episodes I wasn't using Linux at work. Yeah. Yeah, I was using Windows or I was unemployed So when I so an interesting thing for folks listening when I was doing distro delves episodes and I had like three seasons I was unemployed. I did not have a full-time job So when people are like we want want Distro Delves back,

I want it too, but there's just not enough time in the day for me to do regular episodes and hold down. I mean, I work like 12 hour days every day. There's just no, there's no way for me to do that. And at this point I would love to, you know, maybe in the future I, something will work out and I can, um, you know, take time during the week and make episodes and stuff but right now it's just no time i can't do it but i work at a place where we use linux i manage linux i work with open source developers working in the community i'm getting my fill man like i don't need an outlet well i think i've made it i think it really depends on like what you want to be doing like i i know someone who he is a i think he's developer at his job and does like devop stuff in his

channel like it's very connected but that's sort of what he enjoys from it and yeah hey more power to you if that's what you want to be doing. But I also totally get where you're coming from as well, where, you know, you want to do other things. And that's where that ASMR stuff comes in. That's where the motorcycle stuff that you're not doing comes in that you really, really want to be doing at some point. Yeah. And, like, the other thing you want to be doing.

Yeah, it's nice to, it's, you know i i get that not everybody has such diverse hobbies and the drive and tenacity to like make content for them but i i mean i do and that's what i do and that's what brings me joy i think that's a very good point a lot of people don't really have diverse hobbies these are a whole another discussion but like there's a lot of people out there who have like one hobby they dedicate themselves to and that's great but yeah nothing wrong with that at all i i think it's it's fun to try out new things like whatever it is maybe you don't stick with it, maybe it's not something you do long term, but it's fun to be, like, to become a beginner at something, like, you know, that, that initial, I was saying this earlier, like, the initial stage of doing anything, it's exciting, you're learning all this new stuff, it's, it's, like, you, you see how far things can go, but you really don't know where you are in that,

like in that whole spectrum. Like say for example, you're like just getting, we'll go back to the guitar. Like starting with the guitar, I can see like there's these crazy guitarists out there can do these incredible things and I can see what I can do on a guitar, but I can't really see what the distance between that actually is. It's not until that like intermediate stage where you have a understand, like enough of an understanding of where you're at and how things actually function where you can see how big that gap really is like the more the more you know

some there's a there's a term for this but the more you know something the more you realize like how much there is to really learn about it and i find that really exciting yeah yeah there's definitely some some level of of excitement it goes into learning a thing and everything that goes along with it it's also scary you know like i don't know when i i don't know part of what makes the open eg journey fun is i'm using it as a way to teach myself audio production. Because as fun as it is, you can't, I mean, to be fair, I guess you can just put a microphone down and start talking to it. And like, that's a thing.

Yeah, but if I'm feeling it, like if I'm feeling spunky, I will put my audio into an editor and I'll try to do crazy layered stuff I'll mess around with the the different like the peaks and valleys in in the audio make things sound louder or quieter and it's fun like how else would I do that you know like that's that's kind of everything that I've I do and have done is self-taught like that's guitarist that's music stuff in general go back to this discussion well i mean like uh yeah that's actually a good point i didn't really watch youtube videos i listened to music and i just kind of put it together there's a few that i watched but that's that's where i was channeling like am i a youtube uh taught person or am i self-taught but um like

going to coding and stuff it's all it's all kind of self-taught and you only know what you know so although that's what i was saying audio production right that's where i was going with that well so when else would i how do you teach yourself that like how what process do you go through to teach yourself audio production i guess i could record music and stuff and try to do crazy things with it or i could use open eg and try to make the audio sound awesome you know because there's there's a target audience people want something um soft smooth harsh i mean like there's all sorts of different sounds that you can get out of the medium, the format that is ASMR. So it's just like a huge sandbox.

I think I call myself in the about section, I think I say that it's like a sonic sandbox or some silly poetic thing. But that's what it is. I make a 40-minute long video that I have to turn around, listen to and then edit. And it's just it's all just part of the learning experience. Hmm. No, that that totally makes sense. like from listening to lots of recordings of my own voice that i do not have the uh i could probably make something work but i i don't feel like i i have a way of speaking that at all works with asmr like well teach yourself you gotta try it and figure out what works like

i i here's i didn't just start doing it and then you also have this, like, you seem to have this natural, like calm way of speaking. I tend to have like a lot of, you know, high and low inflection. And a lot of people tell me that I tend to shout a lot when I'm,

uh, when I'm speaking and, you know, I can speak in a more calm fashion, but it's just, that's not the way that i i'm sort of typically speaking you're sort of more predisposed to that that calm way it seems yeah but i taught myself how to do that right like that's fair when i was starting to do live streams on the eg channel i had I still had my SM57.

It's currently in use. That's why it's not here now. But I had both of them. And I have two mic stands. So when I would do streams, I would be talking to both mics on separate channels. And that was fun. That was actually really enjoyable. But through my mixer, I had to set up my audio levels.

And I had to make sure I wasn't speaking too loud because it would it would strain my voice so there was there was a lot of like practice and conditioning that went into learning how to speak i mean if you just look at listen to my older eg videos and compare my my voice and delivery from then to there like there's conscience conscious effort to make my like really make my voice behave the way that i want it to and i mean like what you're saying having you know highs and lows it's not necessarily a bad thing no i i get what you're saying there it's just the way that i've i've adjusted my voice i've definitely adjusted my voice over time, like, intentionally. But the way that I've done it is to bring it more in line

with the way that I naturally speak. Like, the way I'm typically speaking on the podcast is more in line with the way I'm normally speaking. Whereas if you go back to, like, my, like, edited, scripted, whatever you want to call it, videos of the main channel, it was this very flat, monotone thing, which I just didn't find to be the way I wanted to present stuff, but I'm sure I could make something work with ASMR, maybe if I sat down and actually, like, properly tried it out, like, I could make something work, it's just, that's not something

that, like, I've never really been that interested in ASMR anyway, work it's just that's not something that i've never really been that interested in asmr anyway so it's just not something that i've really considered trying out to like get to a point where i could actually you know reasonably do it without blowing out people's eardrums that's always a fear my god the audio levels and yeah but it's fun i'm sure it's fun yeah i like challenging myself well yeah there's there's definitely that it's it's it's a very different style like it's it's very different the distro delves like it's complete like it's not like hey we're doing a linux video and we're doing a software showcase like they're still sort of in the the same vein the the asmr stuff is like

entirely different it's a it's a whole different way of creating a whole different a whole different style of content and creative endeavor that i'm sure is exciting in its own way sure yeah it's it is completely different and that is definitely one of the things that makes it exciting but i mean i can i could say the same thing about producing music and guitar stuff like my most recent guitar video i'm listening to to it, and I'm like, yeah, that sounds awesome. And then I send it to a friend, and they're like, are my headphones cutting out? It sounds like it's behind a pillow or something. And I'm like, so I listen to it, and I'm like, I do kind of get that.

And then I listen to a song that I like, and it's really bright and wide and huge. And then I go back to my track, and I'm like wow this is um it's it's not not good but it is definitely different and um music production is so fun depending on where you there's a lot of crossover with asmr actually because i mean my voice is the instrument right like it's not music but it is the instrument and you know based on where I am talking to the microphone changes the characteristics of all of it and it's like that with music too when I mic up my amps sometimes it's at an angle sometimes it's straight on this is not a guitar mic this is a vocal mic so it's it sounds weird to mic up an amplifier and and for folks that aren't familiar with um like a lot of people plug their amps straight into their mixers or into

their computers and you can do that too but uh i just prefer using a microphone and putting it physically um you know apart from the speaker and then recording it that way that's just like old style of doing it and that's that's how i like to record yeah so when i'm recording music this is pointing at the microphone and i mean actually when when we if you still want to do the guitar thing i can i can play around with that it's it's really fun no i that that makes sense like i i did like briefly look at your uh i didn't watch the entire thing of the video about how you capture um guitar stuff on on linux oh yeah i guess yeah i guess that makes sense like different ways you do it like it makes sense that the a more like traditional way would be to

just stick a mic in front of it because you know it would have been it wouldn't have been any sensible way to do it otherwise but now with uh you know now with the fancy tech we have now like can i grab it without disturbing anything it's gonna crash everything oh it's gonna knock it over i'm just gonna point at this we have we have oh yeah look at that thing oh wait is that a yamaha it is oh look at you with your sure microphone and yamaha mixer are you kidding me yeah i know right mr hi-fi over here it's what uh having you know wasting money on things that are probably a little bit overkill will get you. I'm pretty sure I know what that mixer is. It's a good one. Yeah, it's the MG10XU. Oh, my mixer.

I don't want to touch it because Linux doesn't like it very much. And remember I told you about the chipmunk thing? Before we got rolling, I was saying my voice might sound like a chipmunk because Pulse freaked out. Yeah. But it doesn't like the sample rate that this mixer wants to run at. So if it gets bothered, it will screw up and I'll sound like a chipmunk or I'll sound like really baritone.

So I don't want to even like look at it. But it's a Behringer Euphoria UMC-202HD. And I've tried other mixers and this one adds a certain warmth to my voice that works really well with my microphones. Yeah. and that's why yeah i'm just like mr youtuber over here i've got everything i've got my sure sm7b and it's a good mic though look it's good it's definitely a good mic um you know in the range of microphones there's things that are a lot more expensive but like this is you know you you could get a ten thousand dollar microphone for the youtube but like

you don't like youtube's compression is gonna mess with stuff enough you don't really need a ten thousand dollar mic yeah like you don't need you know like linus tech tips they'll buy like a bunch of red cameras like hey here's we have like a hundred thousand dollars in cameras on this one set like do you need that for a youtube shoot well i mean i think that there's something to be said about getting getting the tool that works for the job. You know, my first studio microphone was a Shure SM57. And that's a very well-known microphone for, like, recording drums and instruments and stuff. But it was like $100, which isn't too bad for an XLR studio, like a well-known brand. I mean, the SM57 is, like, battle-tested.

Like, you can't get that's that's the mic yeah and uh that's what i started with and like you like you said you could go in the ten thousand dollar range for a microphone which is like whoa really but yeah really i mean if you're doing really high fidelity stuff you need the good good products but you don't for youtube and just amateur stuff hundred hundred dollar mic that's that's it that's fine yeah a lot of people i think that that get a bit too concerned over what they have where it's like hey i need to get this and you get this before i can like even get started i think when i started my channel i started on a laptop with a laptop webcam and a laptop microphone.

I would suggest not doing that because you can get like $5 apps that will turn your phone into like a webcam. Just use that. Your phone camera is going to look so much better than any webcam you'll ever buy. Not until you get some like standalone, likeless dslr camera that will look better but up until that point just use your phone it'll be fine i'm using just a logitech webcam yeah 720p i don't even know where it came from but like i to be honest i don't care like i i never the only time i use this is at work meetings and stuff so like the uh the camera that you're seeing like on discord that's the i've got a c920 it looks really blown out because it i've got my studio lights on for my like actual camera and so it doesn't you know i could make this

camera look somewhat decent but then my my actual camera would look bad, and that would be a problem for the actual recording. That would be a problem. Yeah. It's all good. I don't like to feature myself in videos. I really like to hide behind the character Eiji when I do my stuff, and that'll probably never change.

The guitar stuff that I'm doing is so... I talk about this on Open EG that so many things that I do, I do to push my comfort levels and see what it feels like on the other side. And appearing in videos is just like... I actually did vlogs for a very brief period of time and i hated them so much i i got rid of all of them so i'm i'm not that interested in being on camera or anything well i'm sure also playing the guitar in gloves might be a bit difficult as well yeah i you know what's funny is because the way that i tune my guitar i can totally do it but it's it's obnoxious and i'm gonna be i'm gonna be honest i've thought about associating

eegie with guitaring and i just i think it looks dorky like it's just it's not a look i could get i could get into and and a lot of a lot of playing guitar and performing to me is the movement of the performance like when I when I go to a concert or when I see on you know YouTube people playing music I love the motion I love I mean it's like basically dancing and I love seeing that like people really getting into the music and stuff. And I feel like I can do that without needing EG. That's totally fine. I'm still like trying, I'm still figuring that out,

I guess. Yeah. That's, that's one area that is still like very gray to me. Hmm. Well, we're getting sort of close to when I probably should be ending the show off.

Um, if you still want to do that that video guitar stuff we can if you need a bit of time to set it up I can just cut the recording then we can start that no if you like if you want to like talk about something or just like watch

me set this up it's going to sound weird we did try I've got the recording started back up again alright that was a mess yeah that's that's a bit unfortunate the noise suppression i thought i turned my noise suppression off actually discord adds extra noise suppression on top of it from my understanding i don't know if there's like a way you can mess with that or not i'm i'm not sure you probably can but let's be honest an echo cancellation maybe yeah automatic gain control there there's a lot of like variables that could be going on

and i'm taking a studio mic that is meant for vocals and micing it up to a guitar which is already a little weird so i mean we're asking a lot to begin with. We tried. We tried to play music. It's all good. But it sounded fine when I had... Look, maybe it would have died if I tried some other chords. Maybe the E minor was just the only thing that was going to work. Yeah.

Could be a lot of things, but it's all good. Well, you know, since our fun was ruined, I guess we'll just end it here then um let the people know where they can find you your all your channels all that fun stuff oh um hmm so on my website eg.xyz there's links to all of the stuff that i do um the main place i'm active with people that want to interact with me is Twitter. I've got the EG YouTube channel. I've got OpenEG.

I've got EG Nuevo, or Nuevo EG, one of the two. I'm also on Mastodon, but Mastodon's more of like an OC thing. I'm not super active there. And when I am, I'm usually just like complaining about something and uh yeah there's there's probably more i'm on twitch i'm on soundcloud um eg xyz has all of that though i'll have uh whatever you want me linked uh down in the description if you just want the website you want the individual things i can do whatever you want cool yeah that would be rad uh as for me i've got my main channel that is brodie robertson i do mostly daily videos six days a week something like that i've got my gaming channel brodie

robertson plays which is going to get rebranded at some point into something that is a slightly better name. Right now, I'm playing through The World Ends With You and Cult of the Lamb. So go and have fun with those ones. If you listen to the audio version of this, the video version is available on YouTube. If you're watching the video, the audio version is available as an RSS feed. Just look up Tech of a T. It's available on most of the podcast platforms out there. It's two in the morning right now. And you'll find it

wherever you want to find it. Eiji, do you have any words you want to end the show with? Hello, world. Hello, YouTube. It's usually how you start a show but sure we can end it like that see you guys later bye