Tech Over Tea - Originally This Was A Linux Podcast | Livakivi

Episode Date: December 22, 2023

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Good morning, good day, and good evening. Welcome back to the show. Today we have a returning guest. Welcome back to the show, Liverkivvy. How you doing? Hello, I'm doing great. I'm going to put you on the spot because you did do that whole video in Japanese. Give us an intro.

Give us just an intro off the top of your head. In Japanese? Yes. Oh God. Let's see how we go.イントロを教えてください。頭の上からイントロを教えてください。日本語で?はい。 では、どうぞ。あのーでも今回は 1年 なんだっけ When was our last Like a year ago? Yeah about a year ago I reckon so

2年ぶりで 1年ぶりでここで もう1回このPodcastに 登場していますはい I know it was two years ago, I was wrong No wait, no, the first one was two years ago Wait, yeah yeah yeah, okay, first one was two years ago There was one after that a year ago

Geez, you were on really early, I completely forgot about that one Yeah, time flies it seems Yeah, absolutely. I guess that was pretty long ago. I understood about, I'm gonna say about 75% of that. I understood enough to follow along, but I have not put in as much effort as you have in learning Japanese. Well, that's still pretty good.

Are you still learning? Yeah, yeah yeah I am still... I know you did that the most popular video on your channel is the Duolingo video. I actually started going through Duolingo and... Oh. It's a weird it's a weird app because there's a lot of things about it where I feel like it's perfectly fine for picking up vocab

but then it does some weird sentence structure especially when it's trying to get you to do the English version of a sentence where it's like, why do you want it in this very specific form? Or one really annoying thing whenever it does names it will say like um if it's like tanaka ken it will then want you in

the english version to do it the other way around it's like what are you doing it'll like tell you you're wrong if you do it like in the way it doesn't expect you to do it yeah i haven't used duolingo for like a really long time now i haven't even really like checked it out because i know that it has changed so much since i used it like i started using it like in its quite early form and as i was using it it went through like two went through three to four extensions and renovations. But from what I've heard, it's completely different now. They completely revamped the tree. I haven't even seen anything, so I'm not sure what it's like now.

But yeah, Duolingo is one of those things that I can't believe that I used it for so long, to be honest. At this stage, I don't know if, like, it's kind of one of these things like, it's kind of like Rosetta Stone, where people have sort of memed it into this position where nobody actually has, like, a proper opinion on it anymore. Like there's very few people like you who actually used it for like, you know, 800 plus days who actually formed a proper opinion. A lot of what people say about it is very much just repeating what other people have said. Yeah, it's like I've always said in my videos when it comes to language learning is that when you're a beginner or when you're not in the 3,000 hour club already, then it really doesn't matter what you use because most of the time, most of it is going

to be pretty much the same in the sense that you're going to get the base vocabulary, some level of grammar and things like that. It doesn't really matter what you use for that. And about it being efficient or time efficient or whatever, if you're talking about something that's going to take you like 100 to let's say even 500 hours, in the grand scheme of things, that is a really short amount of time in terms of what it actually takes to reach a high level of fluency in a language like um um well okay i think i used duolingo i don't know exactly and i don't remember exactly but i think it was like definitely under 200 hours in total even though I used it for 800 days.

Like I had a streak of 800 days. But like the 200 hours is such a small amount of time compared to what I put into, for example, Anki, which is almost like close to 2000 hours, for example, as well as like immersion and things like that. Yeah, yeah. I think for me, the most important important thing and i'm sure this applies to most other people is finding something that you can actually do consistently like it's all well and good to say like you know anki is really efficient all of these things like really

efficient but if you do it once and then you just don't ever get back to it you can't get yourself into a habit where you're doing it every single day. It doesn't matter how good the resource actually is, because you're not going to really learn anything from it. Yeah, absolutely. In the sense that the most important thing is consistency when it comes to, for example, learning a language, because learning a language at the end of the day is a cumulative skill in the sense that as long as you keep adding bricks to your house that you're building of the language, then you are going to make progress. But if you suddenly just stop adding those bricks, so if you quit or don't use those tools, then there's no point because you're not learning. because you're not learning that. So it's good to use something like Duolingo to establish consistency if that's what works. And eventually, once you've finished everything

that there is in the tree and that you're confident that you can continue using other tools or just immersion and whatever consistently, then that's totally fine i think yeah i let's see i actually don't know how many um modules there are at this point let me just check um so at this stage there are six modules or six sections they call them, and I'm on the second one. But I think it skipped me halfway through the first one. Like, when you first started up, it, like, gives you a language test. Like, what is your level currently at?

And then it, like, jumped you ahead. Yeah, yeah, I guess they started doing something like that. Because if... I guess... I guess they realized, like, if you, you know, you know you know the basics like you know a couple of kanji you know like you know hiragana for example there's no point reteaching you hiragana if you already know it yeah I know for me I found it to be quite useful because I was doing the whole like going over

going over vocab stuff but my issue was I couldn't find a I couldn't find a way that I consistently like dealt with grammar for whatever reason the resources

I was dealing with just i couldn't find anything that clicked with me and i just i was getting the vocab down just fine but if you don't have the grammar to string it together like that's not entirely useful yeah japanese grammar is interesting in the sense that when I started learning, I remember that I used Duolingo for like, since the beginning as the first thing that got me into learning Japanese. Then a few weeks later, I started using Anki and the Dae Kim's grammar guide or like the complete guide to Japanese or whatever that you can find online for free. But, you know, I did understand, like I did learn the basics from it,

you know, like the particles and stuff like that. But most of the time I read through the book as well as through the grammar guide, but I didn't really like, even though I read through those things, I didn't, you know, they didn't really like even though i read through those things i didn't you know they didn't particularly click with me or stay with me for the most part the only thing that you know the main benefit was that i knew some that i knew that something existed that might be in that book if i

ever need to look it up in the future but truth is the truth is that i actually haven't looked up that many things like that many times as people might expect in the sense that even now i don't feel like my grammar is perfect but just over time through immersion and you know sentence mining and stuff like that i'm like i don't really worry about grammar anymore. I feel like it just naturally, I naturally just started to understand it over time. So you had sort of enough of a foundation where you could understand the context of things being used in and then sort of piece it together. Yeah, pretty much.

It's like Japanese grammar is kind of like vocabulary in the end. Like if you have, what's a good example? For example, when I try to recall something, my mind goes completely blank in situations like this. So for example, oh my god, seriously, I can't remember anything. For example,. For example, that grammar point, I'll just

write it down just in case. It's technically a grammar point, but it's essentially a word. You can look it up from the dictionary, and you'll understand what it is. But technically, it's a grammar point. But it acts just like a word in a way. So it essentially means like, well, it's hard to translate to English, but it's like in terms of that, for example.

Oh, okay. And just there's a ton of those and they are pretty easy to learn through context like the only like true true grammar things in my opinion are things like conjugations and it's okay to i think memorize them but it's OK to, I think, memorize them, but it's not super necessary. Like, you can probably learn the TE form and stuff like that pretty easily. So when you want to do output early on, though, then it's definitely good to practice them. I didn't.

And well, I did a little bit through a Nankidek, but even now, I mess up conjugations sometimes in my output. But it has gotten better when I actually started practicing output over time. And I don't really worry about it. I'm not going to bother with doing extra practice of memorizing or using conjugations. Because I'm just going to use them so many times through output anyway, naturally. So over time, it will fix themselves by itself. That is one thing I think Duolingo does kind of do.

It kind of helps me out with at least actually doing the output. And I feel like for me, that helps me piece other things together. Like it'll give you a sentence and then it makes it very clear on the learnings. Hey, you should probably say this out loud. And I'll tend to, like, play around with whatever sentence it gives me as well, like, slot in other words, trying to, like, piece things together, and I,

I feel like, for me, that's, that's really helped me start, like, trying to really, I, I guess, grasp it, you know, in a way that I just wasn't before. Like, I've gone through some of the Take Him stuff as well, and yeah, when I first read a lot of the stuff, I got some of the basic examples. I worked out how, like, what worked.

But then when it started to get some of the more complex examples, I'm like, I'm sure the resources here are good but it's just not clicking with me for some reason hmm like um like different um grammar points and stuff like that yeah yeah yeah yeah i like i feel like it's it doesn't like it just doesn't click in the sense that that's normal. In the sense that it's so hard to completely understand something that isn't entirely logical and that requires so much experience in the language.

I feel like it's just something that people might worry too much over. it's just something that people might worry too much over. Even when you get better advanced, there can be some level of vagueness in, for example, the difference between the and GAP article. And that's fine in the sense that there is some specific nuance to it, but it's hard to approach it entirely logically. In some languages, grammar definitely works more like that in the sense that, for example, conjugations in Estonian

and comma rules in Estonian, but Japanese doesn't really have those, like the comma stuff and rules like that, like really strict rules so it's it's it's definitely hard to approach it in the sense that you need to perfect the grammar before you can move on because you kind of can't is what i feel like you have to accept some level of like vagueness essentially i think that's a good way to put it yeah i think i think that might have been what i was my issue early on i wanted to make sure i like fully got it and then yeah i just i think because i was just bashing my head against wolf so much i just got bored with going through that

method but hmm yeah no no, I do agree there. I think with this having some sort of... I think I'd also probably do fairly well if I did classes as well because there's sort of a... I guess a plan to go forward. Like, if I'm left with just the resources that are just out there, I tend to just hyper- hyper focus on a part until I fully get it and

Yeah, it seems like that might not be the most effective way to go about it Yeah, like classes actually might have benefits like that in the sense that you have a test you learn that You learn those concepts in for the test in the sense that you you either pass or you don't you pass or you don't essentially but if you don't have a grade for example if you use duolingo you don't really know if you pass or don't it's more like do i feel confident that i completely understand this or not But it's difficult to feel that confidence sometimes with this language. So with Glasses, the progression is more streamlined, in a sense.

Also, I also logged into Duolingo for the first time in years, and it's completely different, like the tree. And I suppose that's how far I currently have the tree unlocked. So what that would account? I guess it's section tree unit 28. Yeah, OK. I'm not sure how translated it is or migrated it

is from the old tree to this one, but I guess I can scroll quite a lot before like i reach the point where it's like uh still locked i suppose also i think maybe this is just my my gamer brain just having a leaderboard there also just makes me just keep going as well like yeah that's that's kind of fun like people talk about like you'll see people criticize the idea of gamifying everything but for me at least like i will get to like 30 minutes before the um like the reset of the leaderboard and there'll be someone who is just creeping up to the experience I've got.

Like, no, you are not taking my place. I just do a couple of extra lessons that I otherwise wouldn't have done that day. And in that way, I think it works pretty well for me. It might not be the system that works for everyone, but I don't know, at least for me. And doing extra things outside of what, like, is just required, like, if you're just, you know, mindlessly filling

in, like, in what it says, maybe you won't get as much out of it, um, but if you're trying, if you're trying to actually use it as a resource and learn from it, I think then, resource and learn from it i think then at least as said at least for me it's it's being it it's felt like a positive learning experience yeah definitely like uh it can be fun like it's definitely less like it's something that you can build a habit with because it's like even if you it has like these small things that aren't necessarily a part of language learning, you know, paradigm, like the gamified approach and stuff like that. And even though they're not necessary,

it's still like whatever works essentially is how I view it. By the way, like, do you have any idea how many words you might know? Or do you have like idea how many words you might know? Or do you have no data on that? I'm not... It tells me how many words I've gone through. I don't actually know if it gives you the number anywhere.

I do remember that it used to show something at one point. Yeah, it probably does somewhere but goals uh no i wouldn't it also might be like only on the mobile app or something like that yeah i'm on the mobile app right now oh okay i don't see it on the website either. Yeah, maybe they don't have the number? Not sure. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. They constantly add and remove stuff. But yeah, well, my point, what I wanted to say was like,

have you ever tried like sentence mining yet? No, I haven't messed around with that, no. Well, I suppose if you don't like using anki then you can't really do sentence mining unless you like when i did it the first time i didn't really enjoy it maybe now that i have more more context around how the words can be used maybe then i would have a different experience with it i'm not sure yeah it's worth trying out because um using cards that you make yourself from your own immersion is quite a different experience than using pre-made cards i'll be honest like um it's difficult to do when you have a you know a like zero comprehension but

when you have like some level of knowledge in the language already, then let's say even minimum 1,000 words, if you start using really, really easy media for sentence mining, I think it's a really, really good way, a really good thing to try in the sense that, in my opinion, for increasing your comprehension, I feel like sentence mining is by far the best thing that I've ever done. It's just before and after starting sentence mining, I felt like the way my Japanese

started improving was just on a completely different level because you can learn the words in isolation and that will increase your comprehension, like your baseline and grammar stuff like that as well. But when start like sentence mining and you know learning those words and grammar points in context first of all the Anki reviews are going to be much easier you can learn more words in a much higher pace and it's like you can keep track of your progress and stuff like that as well and I feel like there's just something about

having the context and that helps um like increase your comprehension so much more and confidence in the language like that you understood what it meant because for example if you have a grammar point in a textbook or a word in an Anki deck that has some random example sentence, I feel like the issue is that it might create more questions than it answers. But when it's in a context, for example, some subtitle from an anime, some word, it's like, okay, in that anime, in that context context that's what it meant and you move on basically and there's like no additional worries or anything like that but the hardest part about sentence mining is getting started i think like once you understand how to do it then it's like

extremely simple but i mean all it really takes is like uh you use anki you make anki deck for your cards you make a and you just start watching something for example uh some anime you get japanese subtitles for that anime and then you just uh when you don't find when you have a word that you don't understand then you just look it up for example with yomi-chan or you can also use migaku and stuff like that and then you just every word that you don't understand you just try to look up and add into anki if you don't know it and i feel like that's extremely easy once you get it and i feel like it's extremely good for learning as well but it's not like it's not like the only way in the world, but that's just my personal favorite way of like improving really well.

You mentioned Simple Media and I'm blanking on who it was now. I want to say it was Ladybeard who said that the way they learned Japanese was the Japanese dub of Peppa Pig. was the Japanese dub of Peppa Pig. Yeah, I've heard it before that people use Peppa Pig for learning languages. And the funny thing is that... That or like Dora the Explorer. One of these kids show where they constantly repeat a word and make it very clear exactly what they're talking about.

Yeah. But well, like it's not necessary in the sense that there is like, there can be advanced, you know, media for like more, you know, adult audiences that isn't like super difficult in the sense that,

you know, media that doesn't have much dialogue, for example, things like that as well. And there's also like jpdb.io a website and

you can sort any manga and stuff like that. Oh, okay. I haven't used it myself. But it might be really good for finding content that might be fun to watch and easy as well, essentially.

Oh, I was unaware of this one. For sentence mining and stuff like that. Yeah, I think it's a good way to find content. Let's not go with Legend of the Galactic Heroes, that seems like a bad idea. Yeah. That or Monogatari, both seem like a really bad idea to go with. The one problem with that site is though that the difficulty rating, for example the 10 out of 10 or 9 out of 10 10 it's heavily biased towards the length of the content

in the sense that if it has a long length you can bet that it's going to be on the top essentially essentially especially for like novels and stuff like that on that website but it's still fine especially the um one out of 10 difficulty stuff. But the funny thing is that speaking of children's shows and stuff like that, one of those is Moomins. I'm not sure if you ever watched or heard about it. No, I don't know that one. I'll just paste a screenshot.

Maybe you can recognize the characters. Very possibly. Like this. It kind of rings a bell, but I'm not certain. Oh, well, it's like a Finnish-Sweden origin cartoon, but it's animated in Japan. Well, it's like an anime in japan but it's like the origin is like from finland and sweden and like in in those areas like everybody knows

them essentially especially here in estonia and stuff like that but i tried watching it in japanese and like already a long time ago and it's pretty watchable but the funny thing is that i watched some episodes again like after i reached 20 000 hunky cards so like half a year ago or something and in like one or two episodes i encountered like 20 new words that i hadn't ever seen in my life which is like pretty funny because it's supposed to be like a children's show but still there were so many words that i didn't know but it's like it's like really specific things like um a specific way to call a river in japanese or a specific way to call a boat in japanese and stuff like that okay well i guess that's that's sort of the fun in in language

learning like you're never going to know it like you no matter how much you you learn the language you're never going to learn every single word like even even yeah i am a native english speaker and every so often i will come across the word like what in the world is that? What are you saying? Open up the dictionary. Oh, I see just use a use a normal word, please Yeah, it's like and the words that are like more commonly used in like British English or like perhaps Australian stuff like that. Yeah, but like not so commonly and in America and things like that Yeah, yeah, and and yeah and stuff like that, but not so commonly in America and things like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And yeah, it's like, if you do sentence mining, you are essentially, the way the path you take to learning the language is going to be completely unique in the sense that, for example, let's say you start off with some easy anime but suddenly you feel like watching Berserk or something like that or like some anime that's really using like medical vocabulary a lot

and things like that it's like the vocabulary you build is going to be like completely personalized to yourself through the content that you watch which is pretty fun but i there would still be like you know general stuff it's just like if you started watching um i know you start watching some yakuza anime that seems like a good way to skew you the way you speak very quickly yeah it's uh you're most likely the

fun thing is that even yakuza stuff has like specific vocabulary for example i think yakuza call normal people so like um people that are not yakuza is like katagi for example instead of you know just something like ippanjin or something it It's like the Yakuza world has a specific vocabulary as well. So there's such a huge, vast range of vocabulary, both in English, but especially in Japanese as well. So it's like, even if you reach a high number of words from sentence mining, you're still going to have a bunch of words that you don't know which you know can sound really demotivating in a way overwhelming but it the the funny thing is that once you reach a certain point

you completely stop caring about that anymore like there's nothing like for example the same way if you're a native in english i'm sure you don't really care if you see a word that you don't know yet like it's like whatever i'll just look it up when necessary yeah like it's going to be the same with foreign languages at one point once you like actually reach that point yeah once you have enough to understand... Once you have enough language knowledge to be able to use a dictionary, then it becomes a lot easier to actually look up words. Yeah, and it's like... At some point, it's just... It stops feeling like a chore,

and it's just going to be more like, you know... Just like, okay, there's a word I don don't know i'm just going to look it up there's not a big deal and it's it's totally fine like i personally like i said it's like i reached 20 000 words after like five years of learning like 2 000 hours of anki and stuff like that but it's like i can still find words that i don't know from simple content and even like that. But it's like, I can still find words that I don't know from simple content. And even though for some people, it might sound like really depressing, but personally, I don't care at all.

Like if anything, it's like almost exciting to see, like, holy shit, there's like a new word in this really simple anime. That's pretty cool. I can, you know, learn even more essentially from such a simple piece of media. I don't know if I asked you the last two times you're on but why did you start learning Japanese? I might have asked you but I don't

remember it. I'm not sure if you did but it's it's quite simple in the sense that I was learning Russian for fun, essentially, on my own, before learning Japanese. And the furthest I got was a 100-day streak on Duolingo, and then I lost it, and then I stopped for a while, and then I started learning again. And then I started doing Anki for Russian, and I did that for a month. And after that month, I made a friend with a Japanese person. And my other friend was learning Japanese for a while already. And I was like, I want to try out learning an Asian language

as well, because I want to know like kanji work and stuff like that. It seemed like interesting, essentially. And because I made a Japanese friend, I decided that, okay, I'm going to try out, you know, learning a little bit of Japanese. So I tried, opened the Japanese course on Duolingo. And essentially, I'm still learning to this day from that point on. Yeah, that's a simple enough story. Yeah, it's like, there's like no other specific reason that I started learning just out of curiosity, essentially, and towards the language for the most part.

And then it just continued from there. Like, all the things like anime and stuff like that came after that and I haven't watched much anime to be honest only like I think 32 or like 35 seasons in total so if Jojo has like

I don't know like I don't know 5 seasons or something then that's like part of that 35 in that sense well I'm happy that Jojo is part of that. Yeah. Yeah, that's interesting, because most people, I would assume, probably do it in the opposite order. Like, you know, they'll watch anime, and then, you know,

at some point, like, oh, I'm going to sit down and learn Japanese. That. Yeah. Go on. That definitely seems to be more common. Like most of the age at people like all Japanese all the time, which is like a learning method that used to be really popular at one point, which is like you learn. Well, like the name says, all Japanese all the time. So you're constantly consuming Japanese content all the time,

and you try to avoid using other languages. And a lot of people who were into that learning method were all like, like hardcore weebs in the sense that they watched a ton of anime before and now they were essentially now had a way to you know Make it productive even by learning the language, which is a great way to like, you know Make watching anime productive at least convince yourself as productive. Yeah For funny funnily enough for me learning Japanese has been been the perfect excuse to make anything productive, essentially, if I really want to. So in that sense, it's a really fun skill to learn.

Like watching whatever YouTube videos or anime or movies or stuff like that. You can even watch like i don't know let's say you want to watch shrek or something but you don't want to waste time on it so you watch it in japanese and sentence mining so now it's suddenly productive you know now i kind of want to go watch shrek in japanese i wait i wonder who's hold up shrek i want to know who did the the voice for shrek hold up let me it's really good i watched it actually like i actually watched it it's really good like the voice is like it literally sounds like uh eddie murphy was japanese for donkey at least why you don't really have that many roles.

Did the voice of Slowking in Pokemon? Okay, sure. What a random role. What about Dongi? Let's see. Okay. Oh, okay. That's a lot bigger of a list.

Wait, the voice of Pikachuachu in detective pikachu okay sure okay i'm seeing some fun roles on here i know i definitely want to go watch it i think uh shrek was voiced by some Japanese comedian. Like some famous comedian or something like that. That explains why he doesn't have many anime roles. Okay. Yeah, probably. But yeah, it was really like...

I was surprised it was like really good quality, the dub. Yeah, that seems to often be the case with um with japanese dub this thing i think it's because voice actors actually get you know paid whereas um in a lot of english jobs for things especially in anime uh from my understanding pay is not very good so when pay is not very good people tend to gravitate away from the field like you get a lot of good you know game english dubs and movie uh like voiceovers but when it comes to anime like the pay's low so the quality tends to also uh follow in the same way yeah and there's also something like... There's like a specific vibe that I suppose people want when it comes to English dubs for anime.

They all sound the same, but I'm pretty sure that's on purpose. The same goes for Japanese dubs for the most part. There are exceptions to it. For example, Shrek is a good example of a proper actual dub. But there are a ton of Japanese dubs which are essentially like, for example, documentaries

or let's say something like Breaking Bad. The dub sounds exactly like it was an anime. So it feels extremely unnatural. And it's hard to watch and stuff things like that um so yeah japanese stops are like most of them can be really bad because um it's like western content so they try to like well not not because it's western content but it's like it's a it's a english dub and if

it's just i mean it's an english show but if they dub it japanese unless it's like a really high quality production then it's most likely going to sound like like anime and so it's going to be really unnatural like you're going to have like old characters are going to you know all sound like goofy and speak in a certain way and stuff like that Instead of like acting like real people essentially I just looked up um I just looked up the uh, breaking bad Japanese dub and yeah, I see why it sounds like anime. Um voice for Walter is just an anime voice actor.

Yeah, probably. He voices the same character and everything. It's like grey old man. That's his character type. Yeah, a lot of tops are exactly like that. Yeah, like a lot of tops are exactly like that. And it's like, it's really like, if you want to have tops for like Japanese tops for Western content,

you have to get lucky that it's not for like, if it's something actually, actually good. Well, I guess part of it is that people have an expectation on what it's going to sound like. Like similar to how you know you did the video entirely in Japanese and you just did like the Japanese youtuber voice. Yeah yeah the thing is that even news in Japan for example if

there's a news of a foreigner giving an interview or something like that even like in serious situations like uh for example you have news of uh ukraine in japan and interviews with the people living in ukraine they are all going to sound like anime characters like like they're all going to have that if it's a female it's going to have like they just all sound like anime characters because that's just how western people are often or like foreigner people are often dubbed in Japan

it's like it's not like a negative thing in a sense like it's not like they're trying to be derogatory or anything against foreigners, but it's just a staple. But I suppose some

people say that it's disrespectful because all foreigners are going to sound like clowns, essentially. It's going to give that subconscious vibe to a lot of people personally i don't care though no i've not sat down and watched any japanese news i didn't know that was a thing that happened but i guess like along with you know all the rest of the dubbing that exists i guess it does make sense. It's similar the way that

voice acting is typically done, so it would be odd if that was the one area where it didn't sound like that. Yeah, it's just like when you have something like media, like anime or games or news, not news, movies, then you expect there to be some kind of, you know, it's not reality, so you expect it to be kind of like that. But when it comes to news, it's like real people that are interviewing.

But even making them sound like anime characters is kind of like, you're not used to it when you see it for the first time but it's like it's such a staple that you get used to it over time when you watch japanese content we've uh probably scared away most people by this point uh i wasn't planning to turn this into a let's talk about Japanese for 40 minute episode. Yeah, I kind of didn't expect that myself as well. But it's fine. Let's talk about the other thing that you've been doing. So you have been messing around with Linux again.

Yes. It's not the first time you've done so. No. I've actually used Linux a lot, in a way, in the sense that I don't remember exactly year by year, but I already use Linux, like, not on my daily drive, but I've used Linux already, like, way back in, like, way back. No, it's not that long ago. I remember using it in 2015, for example.

And I put it on my own laptop in like 2018 or something. And I used it at work, daily driving it at work for a really long time. And I tried making a Linux challenge, which I made into a video. I tried making a Linux challenge, which I made into a video, and I had some serious issues there in the sense that the thing that was the worst was that I couldn't use Discord in the sense that I couldn't use voice calls in Discord because my voice sounded like like Unacceptably low quality essentially with the same mic I'm using right now Yeah, I don't understand what happened there because I This might yeah, I don't know how that happened.

I've never heard of anyone else having that problem. It seems like whenever anyone does a Linux challenge video, like, somehow extra problems just crop up that nobody else mentions. Yeah, like, when normies do Linux challenges, only they have problems for some reason. When normies do Linux challenges, only they have problems for some reason. But the issue was probably something to do with the motherboard's audio chip, like ALC, what was it?

One, two, something, something, I think. But that was most likely the cause. And it had nothing to do with the distro because i tried it on uh i tried it on multiple distros back then and then recently like just a few months ago i tried it again on fedora on whatever else and it was exactly the same issue every single time with that hardware probably it's some sort of wonky audio driver then, I guess. Yeah, most likely. I don't know if that matters or not, but is there a difference if I'm not sure if I, OK,

it couldn't be. I don't know if back then it used pulse audio or pipe wire for the transmission. When was that? For example, in 2020, what was it? Two. On Fedora? On Ubuntu, I think.

No, it was definitely pulse on Ubuntu back then. I think Fedora might have swapped. I can't remember the exact date. Okay, but, like, on... Yeah. Right now, with the Fedora 39, I tried it with that as well, and it had the same issue on that hardware.

Yeah. But, like, as... Yeah, I'm not sure what that would be. Spoiler. Like, with my current hardware, I don't have that issue, though. With the same mic. Hmm.

Also, I don't know if you saw my macOS video. I probably watched it. I did watch it, actually. Yeah, the bar's red. Yeah, I don't remember anything from it. It was a long time ago that it came out. Yeah, well, yeah, it was a really big video. It was a long time ago that it came out. Yeah. Well, it was a really big video.

It was a 50-minute video. Yeah. To make it short, I put so much time into MacOS to make it usable for me. I had so many issues with it. One was usability, which was, you know, I just came to the, I discovered that macOS by default, so without any third-party software, is quite limited in terms of what you can do in terms of window management.

Yep. Yep. Like some people say that, so many people say that actually, it's just that I'm using macOS like it was Windows or something like that, which maybe is true in the beginning, but now I know exactly how to use macOS. And it's still limited. It's like you can't use shortcuts to move Windows around, for example, and things like that. You can't resize Windows or snap them into anything with shortcuts only, for example, natively, unless you download third-party applications. So essentially in the end, I downloaded or I installed Yabai, which is a tiling window manager on macOS. And essentially,

I started using macOS as if it were a tiny window manager-based setup, essentially. Well, it was. And I actually quite liked it in the end. Like, the final setup I had was pretty good. I would still use it happily every day. But there were a few other issues as well with macOS that I had. Well, still have. I still have the computer, but I just have,

I built a different computer by now as well. But I just won't go too deep into it in this video because I made the video if people want to check it out. And essentially, the main issue I have is that if I'm using a MacBook, I need to have two computers because I can't do everything on a MacBook because it does not support, for example, 32-bit applications, even if they are native to macOS. And I didn't know that when I actually bought the MacBook.

And sure, I could live without 32-bit applications. I actually use some older games and stuff like that for recording footage for my videos sometimes. And I would need to use a different computer for that. Even emulators like Parallels, which is a Windows emulator, don't run certain software. For example, if I want to make a VR chat segment for my Japanese learning videos,

I can't because Easy Anti-Cheat was added to VR chat, which does not support ARM architecture, even on the Windows emulators and stuff like that. So I'd need to have two computers. And the other issue was that for video editing, the performance is really good. It really is good, but it's not good enough for me. Because essentially, my video editing

is a bit different from most people in the sense that I use a lot of screen recordings and a lot of assets and a lot of motion graphics in my videos. And even if it is really good for performance-wise, really good for editing 4K camera footage, it's still going to be really bad when I try to do a lot of motion graphics where I need to, for example, do a small animation that I need to keyframe. And I perhaps need to change the timing of the keyframe by a few milliseconds and see what kind of a difference it makes, like a hundred times until I'm happy with it. And if it lags every single time, unless like cache it which is going to take a really

long time because um davinci resolve doesn't have completely manually controllable caching unfortunately then it's a really it's a huge pain to work with um hardware that's not as powerful as possible and i'm just going to say this right now because I know there's, every time I say this, there are going to be comments about this. There are people who say that on DaVinci Resolve, there is manual caching because if you set the caching mode to user, then it's, you know, user-based caching, hence the name.

But the thing is that I've actually read the manual and user-based mode, like user caching does not cache certain effects. It doesn't cache motion graphics effects at all. Only the automatic, quote unquote, smart caching does that. And it's not direct enough. So I essentially need hardware that's as powerful as possible.

So I had two choices. I need two computers if I want to keep the MacBook. So I'd need to either have a Windows computer, like a desktop, or I should get a Windows laptop. And the reason I need the laptop is because maybe I'm going to go abroad very soon and for a long time. And I'm going to need to have a laptop for that because I need it to be portable. researching Windows laptops because the 4000 series, like Nvidia 4000 graphics

card series laptops came out like a few months after I bought the MacBook. But the issue with those was that they were so incredibly expensive when they came out. Like, I'm talking the 4090 ones were minimum 4000 to well over

5000 euros here. Yeah, okay. Yeah, they were like so expensive like literally they made macbooks look like budget devices like i'm not even joking when i say said that like macbooks genuinely had really good price to performance compared to those windows laptops and my issue with that with those with the price is not only only that it's not the best price to performance, but it's also the build quality and design of most of those Windows laptops is horrible in the sense that they are actually budget gaming laptops that are really plasticky and RGB, but the price is still over $4 thousand which is like really like it's just sad in a sense a lot of the the gaming

companies especially they have these shells they use for their entire product skew all the way down from the bottom to the top with no additions exactly and that's why it's like, it's just so painful to even think about buying a powerful Windows laptop. The only one that I liked like a lot was the Mercury White Razer Blade laptop. But the issue is that

the 4090 version of that starts from like 5,200 euros or something like that. And the 4080 version that starts from like 5200 euros or something like that and the 4d 80 version costs uh 4400 minimum here i am scrolling through laptop prices right now and i'm seeing ridiculous prices oh my god there are like they are just ridiculously expensive especially in europe in like the us there are some insanely well-priced uh deals now like um there was some hb omen with a 4090 that cost like two thousand four hundred dollars maybe it's even less by now. But I can't really... I actually spend so much time looking up Windows laptops. I research so much the prices and stuff like that. And at one point, I almost wanted to

buy plane tickets to travel to the US to just buy something from there because it's going to be cheaper than buying from here or ordering from the u.s and paying the tolls fees and stuff like that i even discovered that there are thinkpads with 4090s but the problem with them is that the cpu is like extremely weak compared to like the ones. Because if you have i9-13900H, which is the one that the Thinkpads use, then the H version is so much weaker than

the HX version that the gaming laptops use. So, unfortunately, that's not a choice either, even though I think Thinkpads do look pretty nice. They are actually completely acceptable, in my opinion. I would like to have one, but unfortunately, they're just not powerful enough, once again. So Windows laptops just don't really seem to be a choice.

I actually found a website in Europe which sold Windows laptops for pretty cheap because they what they did was they bought them from the US paid the import fees and then just resolved them in the EU and that was the cheapest way to get them which was like after months and months and months uh the price was something like 2700 euros for a 4090 lenovo gaming laptop which is actually decent but it's still really expensive um well i'd say it's a fair price but the thing is that um windows laptop windows laptops have their own issues. For example, fan noise, extreme power draw, overheating issues, thermal throttling, things like that. So even if I pay like 3,000 euros for a powerful Windows laptop, it's not going to be a great experience, essentially. This goes back to what I said earlier, where they use the same chassis for the bottom of the stack and the top of the stack

uh exactly yeah like exactly and that's the issue like i i it's just sad like that there is just nothing like actually good in the windows market right now for like high-end powerful laptops unless you're going like paying like over 5 000 to like razor or something like that yeah and so i decided that okay i need to go abroad but i need a computer and it's much cheaper to buy something from here than it is to buy from Japan well it's really expensive here as well but I decided that I'm going to

build a desktop in the smallest case possible and I'm going to take that desktop with me on the plane and fly to Japan I didn't want to say that you already said it twice already I did? oh ok well whatever I didn't want to say that. You already said it twice already, you didn't notice. I did?

Yes. Oh, okay. Okay, well, whatever. I think I've already said it in the past anyway. So I built a computer with a 4090 and a 7950X AMD CPU. So essentially, the best GPU and arguably the best CPU for consumer-grade desktops. And I actually got it working. It's like in a tiny case.

So NRP200Max by Cooler Master. I'll just link a picture. I think I just found 200p. I think this is it. You said nrp200... Wait, nr200p, yes? Yes. Yeah, I found it.

nr200pmax. Like a tiny case like this. And it barely fits the 4090. It's like from edge to edge it's like it's essentially that pc is completely full of stuff and but technically speaking it should fit in the luggage that you put like under the plane so i'll have to like make sure that it doesn't get like destroyed during the shipping i have to take like the gpu probably into my backpack uh onto the plane and like um i mean into the like the place where i'm

going to be sitting and stuff like that but i have to make sure that the pc itself is like super protected in the because they're going to be tossing around the luggages and stuff like that with no respect to the stuff inside. So it's pretty dangerous. But I got it working. And it's pretty nice, except that I still wish that it was more powerful. It's really disappointing in the sense that it's really good. It's really disappointing in the sense that it's really good. It's really powerful.

But I still have, like, even simple editing, like, situations where it's lagging in the sense that this already might be, like, well, it most likely is, like, optimization issues with, like, DaVinci Resolve and stuff like that. But DaVinci Resolve is supposedly the most optimized piece of software for general editing there is. And like I mentioned, there is no proper manual caching, like direct caching for DaVinci Resolve. So I have to rely sure that the... When I edit, I have to rely on the fact that the hardware is powerful enough to play everything real-time without lag. But it's just not possible yet with this build. Most of the things I can do with no lag.

But, for example, if I do a fade, like just a fade transition between two 4k 60fps clips, for some reason, in certain scenarios, that lags. And like, for example, some motion graphic based transition effects and things like that, most of the time, they're fine, but occasionally they lag. And for example, recently I'm editing a clip for the five years of learning Japanese video, and it's just a 4K 60 FPS OBS recording that's like an hour long. And I'm cutting it into smaller pieces. And when I tried to scrub through it or or like, jump to certain places, it's sometimes need to wait like 0.5 to like three seconds for it to like respond. And the it might not seem like a big deal. But when I'm going between like short clips, like potentially like 0.3 seconds long,

and jumping between those, then every single piece of lag is going to slow me down so much that whenever the 5090 is going to come out, I'm probably going to instantly buy it. And yeah, I made a proxy for that clip. But the issue with proxies is that, first of all, they take time to make and they take so much space. Like, it's an hour-long clip. And the proxy, I made it like a low-quality proxy.

And it took like one terabyte of data from my hard drive. And imagine I have like the project itself has like hundreds of 4K clips and stuff like that. So I'm not going to make a proxy for every single one of those yeah yeah it's it's just unfortunate so the reason i'm telling this is not not just to rant but it's just to lay out the standards that i need for performance essentially because now i want want to mention the Linux stuff. So essentially, I'm using Windows 11 right now for this hardware.

And it's fine for the most part. I had to, now that I came from the Mac OS, I was so used to the setup I had on Mac OS that I was actually having trouble using Windows, which is pretty funny, because I was so used to the setup I had on macOS that I was actually having trouble using Windows, which is pretty funny because I was so used to it before. But I'm pretty much used to it now because I set up a ton of custom shortcuts and stuff from Power Toys, which is an almost native program developed by Microsoft, which gives a ton of extra features into Windows. One of the things I'm missing is a tiling window manager, for sure. Windows has some

options like ComoRebi, which is developed by mostly one person, like a Windows tiling manager. I guess I can link it for people who might be curious. I feel like I heard about this one. Yes, yes, I do know about that one. And I mean, it tiles. It does what it's supposed to, the I had some issues with it like some things like bug out a bit and the other thing is that even if that's fine like if it occasionally bugs even if that's fine the issue is that I'm using the I want to use the super key or the Windows key for my shortcuts on the tiling window manager

but it's extremely hard to do that on Windows because Apparently the Windows key is disabled from the API That you know you can hook into like the Windows API that it's reserved for Windows features, essentially. So yeah. And there is an option to disable the built-in Windows key shortcuts, like Windows plus D, for example,

that reveals the desktop. You can disable those from regedit and, I suppose, set up a PowerToys shortcut for something like Control-Shift-Alt number 9 or something to Windows plus D. It's essentially a proxy shortcut. Essentially. You can do something like that. I think because when I tried that, I think

it was broken. I still couldn't get it working properly. And it's just too much trouble for it to be worth it. And even if I do get it working, I'm sure that it's not going to be the perfect experience anyway because of the box and stuff like that.

So, essentially, what I'm trying to say is that even though everything works what I need on Windows right now, it could be even better if I could do like, make it exactly how I want it to.

If you have customization control that wasn't locked behind registry edits and other fiddling around that might just break with a Windows update. Exactly. And if I ever need to for example, I bought a faster SSD but I have Linux on it currently, but if I wanted to put my Windows onto that faster SSD, I would have to do all of those customizations again from what I understand.

And that's kind of a pain and things like that. Because I can't just copy-paste a config file. It's like a ton of stuff that I do in regedits and stuff like that. doing reg edits and stuff like that. So I decided that it would be fun to try Linux again, because I now have new hardware that is perhaps better supported than my previous hardware was. Linux has probably evolved since the last time,

like Wayland and stuff like that. And I always want to go back to Linux just to try it out and stuff. It's just fun, essentially. So I wanted to try it again. And what I decided to start with was, once again, Ubuntu, which everyone hates. And the reason why was because the 23.10 looked really nice.

I just genuinely think that it looks really good, personally. So I decided to try installing that onto the new SSD I bought. And by the way, I had to... Because this PC is so small it's I had to you know remove the graphics card and stuff like that to install the SSD

but removing the graphics card is so hard and putting it back is so hard because it barely fits like I have to like push the cables in a certain way and like put quite a lot of force for it to actually close and stuff like that so that was pretty annoying but i installed ubuntu on it or rather i tried to install ubuntu on it but came out that for the rtx 4090 it doesn't boot into the installer with an rtx 4090 because the card is too new or something and finally I got it working after putting into

safe graphics mode like multiple times and it finally worked at one point and I installed it huh I would have thought 23.10 would be fine but maybe maybe... Maybe... Wait, maybe... Huh. I didn't... Yeah, it would have made sense if you were still on 22.04. That, I could understand, but the fact that they haven't updated their drivers enough for that? Yeah,

there was, like, um... Um... I'll get my phone. I can even send a screenshot of the issue. I googled it and it was really common. Maybe I can just google it. Yeah, if you can find the link that you used, I definitely want to see it.

I'm not surprised that it's like that because Ubuntu does tend to move fairly slowly. Fairly conservative changes but I would have thought by now, surely I think it was this issue there were multiple ones like that

some of them weren't even for the 4D90 but it was the unknown chipset error. Essentially, when I tried putting into the installer, it was just like it gave me that error and nothing happened. I have it all recorded as well because I wanted to potentially make the second part for the video, for a part two Linux challenge video.

Wait, so it was trying to use Novo? Oh. Why? Yeah. Why was it doing that? I can even see the picture. I'm so confused why it tried... Yeah, no, that makes sense. Why the hell is it trying to use Novo?

That barely works with old GPU. Like, what? I had a... Novo is like... Is it like the open source version of... Yeah. Yeah. That's the open source drivers.

I had one of the developers on recently. They are in the process of supporting... I think they're working on the 30 series right now but there's a lot of firmware issues Nvidia isn't really working super closely with them so it's a lot of

reverse engineering stuff they have to do I think with an upcoming version of the kernel it should be better but you wouldn't be seeing that in ubuntu until 24.04 anyway yeah and well it was like um like right off the bat that seemed like a pretty bad omen essentially or but luckily i got it like uh installed when I went to save graphics. And everything was really nice. I really liked the default appearance of Ubuntu. All the fonts and stuff like that on my 4K monitor

were really nice. And I'll be honest, I actually like GNOME quite a lot, especially with the Ubuntu skin and the small customizations that they've made. But then I started having massive graphical bugs. I think I messaged you and sent you some of the images before. You did send some, yes. Where is it it is it that one where's six is it the video yeah i replied it yeah okay ah yep yep it is uh can i open this thing no let's download the video oh god okay you do it like i think i sent multiple these are a bit hard to see

sent multiple these are a bit hard to see but i had like extremely like apparent ones okay here we go um let's open that in my browser yeah that'll work that there here we go okay okay perfect so for anyone just listening wait what's happening this one oh one was after i installed the new driver but one was like before that i'm might be but i had like that would explain why i'm confused why nothing's happening i had like really bad ones and i i have videos of them but i didn't send them ah here we go yeah the other one there's like this clear line flickering yeah but i had like i have like other clips when it's like huge massive black boxes over like the browser and stuff like that and it's like it's essentially like it looks completely broken and then i had like i don't remember if this was on, I think this was on X11, when I, these clips I sent.

On Wayland, I had some other issue. I think I wrote what happened. Oh, okay. I did send you the video with the black boxes. It was the first, it was the first video. Oh. Actually sent three videos. I missed that one.

Okay. Yep. Here we go. That one. Put that there. Okay, yep. Here we go. That one. Put that there. Ah, yep, yep, yep. Okay. That's definitely the one I remember originally then. Cool. Yeah, I had issues like this.

So if you're just listening, there's like a giant black line just in the middle of the screen. It sometimes goes away, but then comes back a couple of seconds later. Yeah. And this is x11 i think oh yeah but uh it still uses x11 no way hold on uh wait no no no it uses nvidia i think it might default to x11 i don't remember uh i i don't exactly remember but both were were installed. Wayland and X11 were both

by default installed options, essentially. Yeah, they are definitely. On Ubuntu. And on Wayland, I had some other issue. On Wayland, my Firefox had extremely bad performance on Ubuntu. It essentially crashed.

It got really laggy and crashed when I was scrolling heavier sites, for example, Pinterest or something like that. So I tried using X11, and X11 had those graphical bugs. And long story short, I decided to

try i3 instead of GNOME because of those issues. And it worked fine for the most part there. And I don't remember what I was doing. I was customizing multiple things. And eventually I was having some issue that I thought that would maybe be... I installed the newest NVIDIA driver that isn't even an option by default in Ubuntu. So I installed 5.4.5 instead of 5.3.5. And

it worked for the most part, but I had some issues and I decided that maybe if I downgrade the driver, then it's going to be fine again. So I went to the... Ubuntu has this app called Additional software and drivers or something like that and you can install nvidia drivers from there and so i had 545 selected and i selected 531 to downgrade so i instill i hit install and it said installation successful and i restarted my pc and suddenly it looked like I had no drivers at all. And I mean, they were completely gone. Like even though it said installation successful,

like the drivers were completely gone, but not a big deal, right? I mean, I can just install them again. But the issue is that my network driver was also gone. I couldn't, I had no internet, essentially, with a cable. And that is also a common issue, apparently. Is it? What is going on over on Ubuntu?

I'll Google it. like I can do a screenshot it's apparently really common and like one of the fixes was to run a like older kernel and then try again but i tried and i like i i think from the boot menu when you first put into the computer but that didn't like change anything for me so i

just like okay i wiped everything and i installed fedora 39 or i installed nobara, I think, which is like Fedora 38, but it has a ton of NVIDIA drivers and DaVinci Resolve fixes by default and stuff like that. Yeah, that's a Glorious Eggrolls project. Yeah, it was pretty nice. It really does work in the sense that I can install DaVinci Resolve really easily, and media drivers are pretty much installed by default and stuff like that. But that one had the same issue as... It had the same graphical issue on GNOME that I had, like I showed before. Some things were better though, but But it also had, like, my microphone wasn't working at all.

And long story short, I got that fixed by installing the newest ALSA driver. So, like, I don't know what it was again. But essentially, I had to, like, research quite a bit and install newer ALSA drivers manually. And after that, I got my microphone working. And everything seemed pretty good, except DaVinci Resolve didn't record audio, which is probably just another issue that DaVinci Resolve has on Linux

because it's not like super properly supported yeah and then i also couldn't get uh japanese input with anti working at all with um nobara for some reason even though i got it working on ubuntu and fedora in some like other some other boots I tried before. And I just played around with i3 again for a while. And I tried even putting XFCE to combine it with i3 and stuff like that. But I don't remember exactly what issue I had, because I had so many different things. So eventually I just wiped it again and I tried XFC Fedora spin by default.

Then I wiped that again. And now I am at just the Fedora 39 workstation, like the default system, essentially. workstation, like the default system, essentially. everything, like, now Wayland, when I go to Wayland, it's super nice. It's like the browser is extremely performant. I really like it.

GNOME is also quite nice. I mean, it doesn't have the styling that you want to do, but I still like it. But the issue with Wayland is that on Fedora that I experienced was that all ex-Wayland applications, I think, are extremely laggy. So for example, Discord. When I try

typing on Discord, it's like some characters just essentially the input is lagging, and sometimes what I'm typing on Discord, it's like some characters just... Essentially, the input is lagging. And sometimes what I'm typing isn't like... Some letters will just not get typed. Or, for example, Visual Studio Code. When I try using that, it's unusable because I can't properly type, essentially. And that's apparently quite common as well. It shouldn't be. That bug's supposed to be

fixed. It's supposed to be fixed two years ago. There was a problem with X-Wayland and NVIDIA for a while where they just were not to GPU accelerated. I don't know how that's happening again maybe it's a 4090 thing it

very well could be 40 because i know when the 4090 came out it wasn't super well supported even with like the proprietary drivers um i'm i'm not sure because it you know, there's not like a massive pool of people running 4090s on Linux Yeah Like I definitely heard that 4090 had some problems like a long time ago, but like apparently this issue is like People say that it's a NVIDIA thing essentially This is six months ago, those comments there, the top comments and stuff like that.

So I don't know. It doesn't seem like there's a proper fix to this, unfortunately. Discord says on Wayland, but the problem goes away if I have OBS open. What? What? Okay, that's... I fixed by clearing all notifications in discord with marked as red

thing as linus torvald said fu nvidia yeah like i think everything comes back to nvidia that just the sad state of things. Yeah, it's really unfortunate. I even thought about buying an AMD card, like the 7900XDX or something like that. The most powerful one, essentially. And I was like, okay, I need to buy a 49. Like, I don't mind buying an extra card, even if it's just for, like, the video, for trying out Linux or something like that. But the issue is that... Hold on, I'll Google this.

I know. Okay, well, if you already know, then it's like, the Win2Solve is apparently the only thing on AMD that's, like, unusable. Like, I found this thread. So it's like, okay, nothing works on NVIDIA except DaVinci Resolve, and everything works on AMD except DaVinci Resolve. except DaVinci as well. Yeah, so with DaVinci, my understanding with AMD cards is you need to be running the pro drivers,

but the pro drivers are completely useless for anything outside of DaVinci. But even then, the OpenCL implementation is just not good. There is a project called Rust rusty cl being worked on right now that is going to be a part of the open source amd drivers it's not done yet but i would imagine within maybe like a year or so it's probably going to be in a good state right now you can use it and davinci will open um but you're not going to get performance from it that's usable yeah and that kind of sucks because like i said

before like the reason i ran like ranted so long about the performance thing is that i genuinely need all the performance i can get so even if amd worked perfectly fine it's still going to be a sacrifice because the 4090 is just much more powerful in like GPU effects, essentially, in DaVinci Resolve. But unfortunately, even that's not the proper choice, it seems, because like DaVinci Resolve and AMD aren't, you know, on Linux getting along too well, it seems. So it's really like i want to use linux but i'm really like stuck between a rock and a hard place in a way so okay i can use x11 and let's say i'm i use something that isn't gnome so i3 for example uh so now i don't have those flickering bugs firefox still has like um

screen tearing issues for some reason and many applications like discord as well i have like screen screen tearing issues even on x11 uh x11 yeah that's that's gonna happen there is um yeah actually no i don't now that i think about i, I don't know. There is a way to disable screen tearing. I don't know if it worked with NVIDIA. Oh, yeah. I do remember something when I Googled it myself as well, but it was like, it was something like force no freeze. I don't know what it was called.

Yeah, it's something like that. Yeah. And people said that, yes, it works, but you're going to have other issues when you do that, essentially. And just use Wayland and stuff like that. But, okay, I can live with the screen tearing. I mean, if I really want to. But then it's like,

I'm having issues with like, this is all customizable. I'm sure if I put another multiple 100 hours up into perhaps learning different window managers and stuff like that as well. So my first of all, scaling, like fractional scaling and stuff like that i have a 4k what is it 29 inch display and without scaling it's kind of unusable and yeah on with on next 11 you have essentially a choice. For example, on GNOME, you have a choice between 100% and 200%. Yeah.

So too small or too big? On Wayland, you have fractional scaling, but it had its own issues. Some applications were just completely blurry when I did that. It really looked really JPEG'd. Finish what you're saying and I can explain why the fractional scaling is a mess. Okay. So,

essentially, it's like if I use fractional scaling on Wayland, first of all, I can't use Wayland, seemingly. I actually had issues with DaVinci as well on Wayland as well. So, Wayland is completely out of the question for me, it seems. Unfortunately. If I use fractional scaling on Wayland, then some applications are like completely blurry.

And so the best option I found was on GNOME, I think there is an option for increasing the font scaling that sort of works like fractional scaling in a way. Like it's similar, but it's not completely the same. And on i3, the issue is that like my main monitor is like scaled in an OK fashion. But my secondary monitor is like, it looks like it's a 2.5K display, but it looks like 1080p in terms of scaling. Like, everything is too big. And I've seen some, like, potential fixes when you, like, change the DPI option

for true render and stuff like that. But it's like, I haven't gotten far enough for everything like that to be solved yet. And it's like, I'm really trying to use Linux, but at the back of my head, I'm feeling like, holy shit, I should actually just get some work done. I've already spent like 100 hours on this. And how much time do i have to spend to you know get it like working

in a nice state uh with in which i'm happy with which i mean it can be fine in the sense that maybe in the future it's like uh i'll save a lot of time by or like be more motivated to do work if my setup is you know perfect in the sense that my shortcuts and everything work exactly how I want to. But at the same time it's like, it's really conflicting, it's really conflicting. See, this is why I made a YouTube channel, where I try to get things working. So I can pretend like I'm being productive by messing around with Linux. So I can pretend like I'm being productive by messing around with Linux. Like, I really thought about that.

Like, the excuse I have is that if I make the second Linux challenge video, the previous one got quite a lot of views. So maybe I'm being productive if I'm doing this right now. Yeah. So, okay, the fractional scaling thing, because this has been one of my, this has been one of my pet problems for a while. Okay, so, GNOME does support fractional scaling. Right now, it is hidden behind, uh, hidden behind a, um, an environment variable, because it's very experimental and kind of a mess so the Wayland

blurriness there is a good reason for that it's not actually fractional scaling so it's taken a long time to convince the developers that fractional scaling is a good thing there is

giant GitLab threads time to convince the developers that fractional scaling is a good thing. There is giant GitLab threads arguing with the developers that fractional scaling is a good thing and major developers on the project being like, no, no one wants fractional scaling, this is impossible to do. How could, how could anyone possibly do this? So the way... Okay. There's two problems here. Problem number one. On Weyland, there is no way to

share the metadata for the scale with the application. So, there is a protocol that's in progress to share that data. Before that happens, though, there is another method that is being done. So whilst you can't tell the application

to scale properly, what they do is scale to the next nearest integer. So if you'll say you want to do a 1.5 times scale, it'll scale up to two times and then raster scale it down So what you get is incredibly blurry applications Yeah The thing is that I think macOS does something similar in the sense that for example when I have a

4k display on macOS does something similar in the sense that, for example, when I have a 4K display on macOS, then when I have it set to I think 150%, they don't have percentages in macOS. They have just pictures that you choose from. And

when I, for example, open OBS, then the screen, I have the options to choose resolutions, right? But that I want to record that. Then what it does is that it scales it up to two times as well. So it's like, I don't know, like over 5,000 resolution or something like that. And then it scales it back down to, I don't know if it's 2k or 4k internally but

I guess they do something different because on macOS nothing is blurry there's a little bit of when you get really close to the monitor for example text does look a little bit like it's

not like blurry or smudgy, but there's something going on, essentially, that isn't going on on scaling. But overall, it looks totally fine. Applications and stuff aren't blurry inherently. But I'm not really sure what Wayland is doing differently. I guess raster, you said Raster... Yeah, my understanding is doing a Raster scale back down. Yeah.

I imagine MacOS would probably do it, like filling in the gaps in places and doing some anti-aliasing or something to make things look a bit nicer. Oh yeah, they probably don't have... Oh yeah, they probably don't have... They probably have much more like... The whatever, the Quartz or whatever their Windows server is, probably has all of those things built in from the beginning or something like that. Yeah. Fractional scaling's a mess.

There's also the problem that GNOME does technically support fractional scaling now, but the toolkit doesn't. So they actually do support the protocol, but it's not actually going to be used until GTK5 comes out, which could be I don't know, five years

from now? Sometime in the future, I guess? Yeah. It's unfortunate like uh it's really like it i think like people who like i i'm not that well versed into what the actual like uh turf vars is between like uh the fractional scaling and no fractional scaling but if you have a monitor that's 4k and like rather small like 29 or 27 inches then it's really unpleasant to use either 100 or 200 percent so yeah yeah yeah i and i imagine it can be even worse on laptops oh no it's it's unusable on a laptop i've tried to use a 1440p laptop and i i can't even use that

uh so you know especially if you got like a 13 inch laptop like 1080p is hard enough yeah deal with them at 13 inch yeah i can imagine yeah i i have specifically avoided buying 4K displays. I could get one. I could get it working. I just don't want to deal with it right now. Fractional scaling is bad enough on Windows, let alone dealing with it on Linux. I'm actually using fractional scaling on Windows right now. I can say my experience is it's completely fine,

except there are certain dialogues, certain old installed screens, for example, that have text which is blurry. But everything is fine except for those specific dialogues from old installers or something like that. That's the experience I'm having on Windows with scaling. My understanding with the old installers is they just weren't built around going over a certain resolution.

Yeah. It's definitely something I noticed when I started using 4K on Windows. If you go back and you boot up something like EverQuest, for example, that game is just not going to work on a 1080p display. It was designed around a way lower resolution, and it's going to be the same thing with those dialogues as well. I see, yeah. I think maybe Windows 11 does it a bit better because Windows 10 I remember when I

got this monitor before this new computer so I tried it a bit on Windows 10 on my old computer as well and it looked worse there like a lot of things were really messy but on Windows 11 it it looks like most of the stuff like the file explorer and stuff, handle it natively in a sense. But yeah, the installation dialogues and stuff like that do get pretty blurry sometimes. I haven't messed around with 11. I stopped using Windows back when 10 came out. So I really don't have any context

to what the experience is like now. So I would hope it's gotten better. But what has been your general experience with 11 uh yeah so hmm when i got started i remember that i didn't like it and i it wasn't like a lot of people you know when there's something new they're always like ah this sucks yeah like yeah but it's like it's always like that with windows vista and whatever as well but overall things get better like um but i had to use like a lot of customization to get it working the way i like it right now for example the new taskbar in windows 11 i don't like so apparently there's

some kind of a regedit hack once again that once you enable you get the old taskbar from windows 10 back or it was like a third-party script or something like that that has like customization for it the reason i didn't like the windows 11 one was because for example you cannot separate applications from like the into separate tabs. So for example, if you have five Firefox windows open, I want all of them to be separate on the taskbar so I can see exactly what is where, for example. But you can't do that on 11.

It's not a feature yet. They might implement it in the future. But it doesn't really matter now that I have the old taskbar once again Overall other than that there were some other things that were annoying as well, I think but I think it's it's it's Definitely an improvement in the sense that you have Just you know more modern things like Windows 10 is starting to look kind of antiquated i'm

not gonna lie like um in some ways so i think it's fine for the most part when you customize it a little bit you know um some things are a bit annoying like when i try to move a window from one screen to another, some applications get stuck really badly between two monitors until I force it to the other one. Windows 10 did it better somehow. I actually kind of like the tiling feature that you can grab a window and drag it up to the top to have a bunch of different tiling options and stuff like that but if it was just a tiling window manager I mean it wouldn't

matter much but there isn't that much of a difference other than those small things to be honest between 10 and 11 you mentioned tiling window managers a couple of times when did you first try one out and why like what about

tyler's appealed to you uh so like i mentioned well that was also my first time like i mentioned the reason i started using a tiling window manager was because of mac os um like the window management in mac os just wasn't good enough for me. Like even with the third-party applications, such as things that try to mimic the Windows-style application snapping, they're like that, but they're a bit less featured, a bit less feature, less rich compared to the Windows experience or something like GNOME. And a bunch of other things as well. So the window management stuff was just really bothering me with

macOS because it really made using the computer difficult. So I discovered that the creator of osu was using mac os in his live streams and he was using uh this tiling window manager called yabai and he like his setup looked like completely different from default mac os because he had like uh some kind of a uh like a bar like the poly bar type things on macOS, and then the TilingWindowManager, and a bunch of shortcuts and stuff like that. And that gave me some hope that I might be actually able to use macOS.

And I tried out the Yabai Window Manager, which is apparently similar to i3, but there are some differences which I noticed. But I actually really liked it in the sense that it took me some time to get used to it. But after I did, it genuinely was really nice to have, when I open a browser or some application, that it full screens. And when I open a new tab or detach a tab or something

like that, that it put it side by when I open a new tab or detach a tab or something like that, that it put it side by side and stuff like that, I don't have to... I like the automatic nature of it. And, you know, it's just easier to use a computer when it does things like that automatically. And once you get used to it, it's hard to go back

to a floating style window manager for sure I keep telling people this like no no, tiling is not that great, try it yes, it's something you have to try yeah because I was also like

before I was essentially forced to use tiling a tiling window manager, I was also like like like when I saw those screenshots and stuff like that, there's this you know, you

have the Unix porn subreddit right? And then it's like you have a counter culture subreddit to that which is productivity, I don't know, it was something like And then it's like you have a counterculture to that, which is productivity. I don't know if it was something like usability porn or something like that, which was supposedly the same thing, except it's supposed to be more usable. And when I looked at it, it was like, what is the difference?

Both of them are just, you know, you have no buttons on the windows and stuff like that it's like it feels so like these setups seem so unfunctional to me and tiling window managers felt like like okay they're probably nice but they seem so complicated and i need i know that i need to use a floating tiling like floating type windows in these scenarios and stuff like that. So it's probably not worth it for me. But once I actually tried it, then there's genuinely nothing to lose unless you need to have certain features from desktop environments that you lose if you use a window manager that doesn't have those features.

So what really helped me was that when I installed Yabai on macOS, everything was still exactly the same as on default macOS, except that it's just tiled. So I still have the dock. I still have all the buttons on the windows. All of the default shortcuts still work for the most part. all the buttons on the windows, all of the default shortcuts still work for the most part. So everything is exactly the same, except I can now use a few shortcuts to control the tiling and things tile out automatically. In that scenario, there truly is nothing to lose. There's only the

gain from having a tiling window manager and once i got used to it it's like it's so easy to use as well like it's just like for example for resizing a window i just use the super key plus wasd it's like it can't get any easier than that essentially oftentimes i still use my mouse to resize but yeah there are nice as well yeah like um i i still use my mouse to resize but yeah i think the hoggies there are nice as well yeah like um i i still use my mouse a ton like a lot of like one of those things which people are scared about is that uh i want to use my mouse you know yeah but you you can still use your mouse like i use my mouse just as much as i did before in a way because for example when I do video editing I need to use my mouse like all the time so the way so like but even if I use my mouse if I have my hand on the mouse I can like I said my window shortcuts on are on WASD my other hand is still on

my keyboard so I can use my mouse and the tiler in conjunction. So it's like best of both worlds, essentially. I don't have to use my mouse to move windows around or to resize windows, even though I still do that sometimes, because I don't always have my hand on my keyboard. For example, I might be drinking water with my keyboard hand and moving things around with my mouse hand and so on. So you can still use your mouse just as much as before, my keyboard hand and moving things around with my mouse hand and so on. So like,

you can still use your mouse just as much as before, even more in some ways, because it's even going to be easier to use your mouse when you can like, you know, change the position of two windows just by dragging one window on top of the other and then they automatically switch positions and stuff like that yeah yeah um there is this weird i guess you would call it like tiling purism thing and i guess it kind of comes from it sort of comes from like the the people who use vim as well where everything has to be a key bind. You have to use your mouse as little as possible. Never take your hands off the home row sort of thing. When I got out of that mindset, I started finding tiles way, way more useful. One thing I want to ask is,

so with your bar, does it do dynamic tiling? Or is it like i3 where it's manual, where you have to like pick the direction the split is going to happen oh it's dynamic it's like um um i think it's called the golden ratio ah i think yeah okay it's like a fault that everything uses if it does yeah yeah it's i just saw it in like i think, Awesome WM as well, which is actually something I tried before trying i3, but it was like...

There was something in Awesome that set me off. Do you like writing Lua code? If you like writing Lua, Awesome's great. Yeah, the config was pretty crazy. I thought it was in C Sharp at first, or at least I heard something like that. That'd be nice. That'd be nice and easy to configure. Nope. It's Lua. And I don't know Lua, so it's an experience to play around with it. If I was going to jump to another one, I'd probably go to something like, with it um if i was gonna jump to another one i'd probably go to something like um i'm forgetting the name now not xmonad uh qtile qtile you configure with python which

i work with i did hear about that like uh i watched a few a few days ago i watched the video by that one guy who makes videos about tiling window managers a lot. All the names are so similar, I don't remember what it was. The Linux something, Linuxcast maybe? Ah, yeah, yeah, okay. Let me just make sure that it isn't someone else. Yeah, Matt did do a video. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was a video by him that talked about customizing things in Python. And I'm very well versed in Python, but for me, I'm at the point where I don't really see why I need to write custom stuff for tiling window managers yet myself, even though that would be nice. But just to go back a bit, one thing about Awesome WM which made me switch away was that, well, first of all, it was a bit complicated at first. But there was something like, I don't remember what command it was.

I think it was, I wanted to move a window up. it was i think it was i wanted to move a window up so let's say i have um two windows or like one window on the left like from top to bottom and then two windows stacked on top of each other yes on the right and i wanted to move the bottom window up to where the you know the utmost position but i think when i googled it there was no command for it and when i like i don't remember if it was that exactly or if it was something else but like the response was something like well it's technically possible if you use this third body script for it or something like that and then i was just like okay maybe you're explaining it weirdly because I'm

I've got a hotkey to do that no problem maybe I am doing something different I don't remember exactly what it was but it was something like that and I was surprised that I couldn't like maybe it was something that like

some that I can do it outside of an adjustment mode or something like that. I don't remember exactly. But the point is that there was something that was a bit confusing at first. So I decided to try i3 because I actually had tried it. I mean, I had already tried it a long time ago. But back when I knew but back before I knew what Tiling Window

Managers were, I just saw i3 mentioned a lot. So I just installed it, and I couldn't really do anything on it because I had no clue what to expect. I thought it was just another desktop environment so i decided to try i3 and that worked pretty similar to yabai in terms of configuration for example but um it didn't have the that dynamic tiling thing yeah yeah that's it you know manual um yeah there is scripts to deal with that like um yeah there is scripts to deal with that like um order what's it called i3 auto what the hell is it called auto yeah something like that auto yeah yeah it's uh i i actually haven't minded it that much because i mean i can somewhat handle it like um the manual tiling this like it hasn't bothered

me too much but what something that did bother me was that when i want to resize windows it's a bit unintuitive it was like if i try to resize a window to the left then i press you know super plus d yeah but in some scenarios it like it resized window the if the window is in the middle, it resizes the window both ways. It resizes it both to the left and to the right. And the shortcuts are upside down sometimes, reversed depending on where I am. So I just used a script by someone that made it work exactly like I wanted, like exactly like it worked on Yabai as well. So luckily I was able to solve that with a script.

Also related to that, as well as what you mentioned before, like the tiling, what was it? The people who tiling purism. There was something like I wanted to have one workspace that was always floating because there was something like i wanted to have one workspace that was always floating because there was an application or something that broke with the automatic tiling at startup yeah so i wanted to make a space that's entirely floating and i was surprised to see like there were so many comments and responses which are which were like you shouldn't do that this

is a tiling window manager you You shouldn't have floating windows. Why do you want a floating workspace? This is not per the tiling window manager paradigm rulebook or whatever. That was a bit surprising to see. I mean, luckily, I was able to do it. But yeah, I guess some people are like that in terms of the tiling stuff. But speaking of like no mouse, the macOS, I mean, the macOS tiler,

the person stream I found it in, the Peppy stream, the person stream I found it in, the Peppy stream, the creator of OsoStream, he actually doesn't use a mouse. He has some kind of software that he controls with the keyboard that is essentially a virtual mouse that you have a mouse cursor on the screen and then you move it around with the arrow keys. And it's fine, because he, I suppose, doesn't want to move his hands at all,

because he has a really small keyboard as well, that he never moves his wrists into a different position. But when I looked at the way he used it, it seemed pretty painful because he was developing the game also, and it has those sliders and settings menus and stuff like that. And he went through all of those with the virtual mouse, essentially. And at that point, I'd personally rather just use a mouse. But who knows? Maybe it's something that you've got to try once again.

Like, same way with tiling. Who knows? My understanding is that software is sort of, it's intended as like an accessibility thing for people that physically cannot use a mouse. But I guess if it works and you just want to use it, I'm not going to stop you. It's cool that you've made it work.

I don't know how the hell you test also using that. For video editing, it will be unusable, though. The amount of mouse movements, and I'm just constantly jumping across my screen and uh like uh using different menus and stuff like that with my mouse so it's essentially impossible to edit a video like a huge video with like a ton of like footage assets and effects and stuff with without a mouse so but luckily you can still use a mouse with a tiling window manager, so that's nice. Yep, absolutely.

Just use the thing you're comfortable with. Yeah, or step out of your comfort zone and try a tiling window manager. And if you don't like it, then you can always move back. But some more stuff on the linux experience like i have not tried editing a video yet i feel like it's possible to make an entire full high quality video on linux right now i'd have to use a different program for recording my voice because it doesn't seem to work on linux in davinci resolve even though it should work. I don't know what other features there are

that might not work because last time I tried, a few years ago, I couldn't get the time adjustment menu, like speeding up or slowing down clips. I couldn't get that menu working in Linux for some reason, which was already unusable,

essentially. But right now, that worked, and I was able to render the video that huge projects that I had made, I was able to render them in Linux, and I didn't have any problems after I installed the fonts and stuff like that.

So that's really nice. I'm really glad about that, because it already means that technically speaking, Linux is usable. Too bad that my current Fedora install was the first one where I couldn't get DaVinci Resolve installed at all. Well, I did get it installed. But the issue is that when I launch it, it says GPU not detected or something like that. And I don't know why, because I was

able to get it working on XFCE version of Fedora and Ubuntu. And well, Nobara works out of the box, essentially. But all these other distros, but for some reason, the Fedora one, I couldn't get it working. Well, I haven't looked into it more than that right now, but in terms of the performance, this is hard to say because I have a much faster SSD in the Linux install

compared to my Windows install, so it should be faster by default. And unfortunately, on Wayland, when I was able to use it, because it sometimes didn't even start up on Wayland, but I was able to get it working at one point on Wayland. And on Wayland, the performance was much worse. The render time was at least 50% worse compared to X11. And compared to Windows,

the performance was slightly worse for the most part. But when I rendered a video on i3, so it's as lightweight as it gets, then it was a little bit faster. And I mean, it's hard to tell because I'm using a faster SSD.

I don't know how much it impacts it. But essentially, the performance is up to par. So that's nice, I suppose, or if not, a little bit faster. But I've tried some other things as well. And this is not Linux fault. I'm not trying to diss Linux or anything, but if anything, this is NVIDIA's fault. But a lot of things, I always say that people say that Linux is faster than Windows, which on the kernel level is probably true. I don't know. And maybe for older computers that can't handle a lot of background tasks

or have low RAM or something. But when I use Linux, it's for the most part, I have to accept that most likely things aren't as optimized as they would be on the place where all the optimizations go to, aka Windows, especially on video and stuff like that.

So it's a really conflicting experience in a way, but I'm really hopeful in the sense that the performance was decent if I got everything working right. And right now, I'm still having a lot of issues. You know, like the GNOME is having those graphical issues on X11. Wayland is unusable, unfortunately. And iTree has its own, you know, things, like I mentioned with like the scaling stuff and, you know,

my mouse TPI being inconsistent between displays and stuff like that so there's a lot of configuration I need to do but maybe maybe it's possible that one day I could daily drive Linux like completely fine if NVIDIA will fix their stuff then it would already be possible have you considered trying out kde just to see if it's going to be a different experience yeah that's some that's the one thing i haven't tried yet like um i would definitely like to try kde as well because maybe it doesn't have that flickering issue that x11 has on gnome um and maybe it's a bit more customizable it's definitely more customizable that's for sure

okay that's good because well one thing is why i haven't tried it yet is that i think kd plasma 6 is going to be releasing soon uh february 28th i want to say okay so i guess there's still a few months to go, but I guess I can try five. I have actually never liked KDE for some reason, though. Just aesthetically speaking, and maybe because when I installed it back in the day, then you have the KDE desktop environment, and then you have like, the KDE suit, I think, which is, which has like all those applications and stuff like that. And, you know, when I was like, when trying out things for the first time, then,

like all the way back in like 2018, or something, then I remember when I installed KDE, I installed like the full version. So it installed installed all the applications and stuff I didn't need. And stuff like that. I don't know. Design-wise, it looks kind of like... It's not my cup of tea in a way. But maybe KDE 6 is going to be different. It is going to be what KDE is right now in a different toolkit. It is a very

evolutionary upgrade, not revolutionary. Ah, I see. Is it better performance? I guess I did see that it has new features in terms of workflow, at least.

It's getting a lot more features. The thing that's not changing really is the design like they've sort of they're sort of sitting with this design for now there's a couple of things like floating task bars and things like that that are being done um but the general like look of it is still going to be pretty much the same uh the other thing that's happening with plasma 6 or kd6 um is better wayland support that like that's one of their big things they're working on they are moving towards like making wayland the default fedora for example is actually uh not shipping x11 kde they They're only gonna ship the Wayland version.

Ah yeah, I actually watched the video about that. I guess some people got quite upset about that. Yeah, yeah. Little weird. But can't you just like install X11 manually after like, installing? I think they are not going to, like they're not actually gonna be building the X11 side when they compile it. I'm not entirely sure what Neil's doing for it. Yeah, it... I think it's going to be a bit of a mess. But we'll have to wait to see what happens.

Yeah, I guess. But I guess I'll give that a try as well and see how that is. Because one of the things that I would really like is actually, I like the environment I had in the end with macOS in the sense that I have a tiling window manager, but I have the entire OS alongside. So essentially, imagine you have GNOME and with built-in Tiling Window Manager support, essentially.

Well, you have PopShell for that. I even tried that again today. But PopShell has issues in the sense that it's not very customizable right now. So for example, you cannot resize windows without entering the adjustment mode, which is like, so if you want to resize a window, you have to first hit super plus enter, then you have to resize it, and then you hit enter again or something to apply it essentially and you can't rebind it and but you might be able to in the future when pop os cosmic comes out or something like that i am worried about the pop

shell extension because cosmic is its own uh standalone thing so i i would imagine they're going to just abandon the code base. Yeah, that's pretty likely. Maybe someone forks it and then keeps maintaining it. But we'll have to... Yeah, the Cosmic's still a while away. For now, it's fine. But I'm definitely curious to see what happens when they do drop it. As for the KDE side, there is also an extension over there as well.

Previously, it was Bismuth. The developer of that, I don't know, vanished. And there's a fork of it now called Polonium, which is the exact same thing. It's just actually working. Oh, well, if it works works then it might be really nice then i'll most likely try it out because i'll try out kde and then try that tyler as well uh here we go uh there it is yay okay okay last commits last month ago well that's nice

Okay, last commits last month ago. Well, that's nice. Because there are like Gnome, like some i3 plus Gnome combinations. And I think it was, I just looked it up yesterday. I forgot what it was called. But essentially, you have like distros in a way that are like i3 plus G combined and stuff like that but most of them are like sort of abandoned seemingly so that's kind of unfortunate yeah they used to make it a lot i don't even know if you can change out the window manager nowadays um but you used to be able to completely remove MUTTA and just replace it with i3 like you can on XFCE. Oh, I see. Back in the early days, you could swap in a project called Compiz, which I don't know if you know that one. I've only heard it in the context of it being a compositor. I think that people use for i3 or maybe that was something else.

Yeah, so Compiz was a compositor window manager combined together. And the reason people liked it was this effect called the cube. Nice. So that was your workspace switcher you would like spin a cube yeah that would be pretty cool if i'd had that if i'd have that right now yeah like i remember like those old like uh linux customization videos and stuff like that always had like some crazy animations and stuff like that yeah a lot of that was probably comp is yeah probably yeah a lot of those I think the cube does

yeah the cube just got fixed in KDE so you actually can use it there as well ah that's nice I'm gonna use the cube on KDE there's like three users who were angry when the cube got broken um but gotta fix that

absolutely yeah well i guess on itree most of the stuff works but yeah like i said i have some functionality issues but the other thing is also that like uh one of the reasons why i actually like having a desktop environment inside my tiny window manager or the other way around is that I use screen recordings a lot in my videos and screenshots of windows and stuff like that in my videos. And I want them to be aesthetical in the sense that I want fonts to be really nice.

I want them to be sharp and so on, and the window decorations and stuff like that to be nice. And I'm sure I can customize it, like rice, the i3 setup as well. But I'm happy with the way GNOME looks, essentially, especially on Ubuntu and stuff like that. So it would already be ready to go if I could use GNOME perfectly and have the Tiling Window

Manager stuff working as well. Then I'd be satisfied with that already. But I guess if I want to get i3 working perfectly as well uh then i still have to do quite a lot of work if i want to yeah it's it's very much a work in progress right now but i know some of the gnome devs were talking about doing native tiling um they've got sort of a i guess uh not prototype more like a how did I say it like a visualization it's a tech demo it's like they've got PowerPoint slide animations basically to demo like sort of what they're trying to do oh yeah I watched

the video a little bit that you made on it oh yeah that was a while back yeah yeah um i we have no idea if or when it's going to happen um but i am curious to see what they end up doing with it because that would be nice it would be very nice to have native tiling and gnome i i stand by what i said tiling is just look it's nice to have floating windows but there is a lot of mental energy you waste worrying about where windows are placed rearranging windows

that a tiler just takes away from you and you just don't need to think about it yeah, it's really something that once you try and get comfortable with, then it's like then you see art, so this is why people like it, essentially. Yeah, yeah.

Like, I was so happy with the way Windows handled its Windows in the sense that I can, like... I can send Windows to different monitors and stuff like that with Windows key shift plus arrow keys and stuff like that and snap them into different places. But you can't use a keyboard shortcut to resize a window

that has been tiled in Windows by default. You can resize the window with a rather uncomfortable shortcut key actually which is alt plus enter or something like that. I don't remember. I discovered it yesterday.

But if you resize a window, the other windows are not going to be resized if you do it with a keyboard shortcut is what I mean. So that's pretty annoying when you don't have native tiling in that sense. So that's pretty annoying when you don't have native tiling in that sense. I wanted to say something else as well, but I forgot. Yeah, I forgot. Well, we've passed the two-hour mark anyway, so it's about time we should probably wrap this up. Yeah, probably. anyway so it's about time we should probably like wrap this up yeah probably um i guess uh as the final words on linux for me is that i don't know if i'm going to be

making a second part to my video on it and and if i'm like um actually going to be trying for much longer than I currently have. But at least every time I use Linux, I know what's holding me back, essentially, from using it. And I can keep an eye on if those issues have been fixed or not. For example, currently, it's NVIDIA drivers and things like that. So I'm always looking forward to that hopefully I doubt it will be like this but hopefully Novo is in a better state

then maybe maybe that'll do something but Novo is at the point now where it can play a video game at 2 FPS which is more than 0 which is where it was at a couple of months ago well that's an infinite amount of increase I suppose yeah um but I

hope the Nvidia stuff gets better um because there kind of is a there is a time limit there's an expiration date we'll say set on x11 because it's being maintained by red hat and red hat is probably going to drop it sometime early 2030 uh which is a while away still but when they drop it entirely from Red Hat, like from their distro, no one's gonna be maintaining

X.Org anymore. So... Is the reason they drop it because they are going to start using Wayland themselves, or... They've already defaulted to Wayland. Oh, okay. I see. Oh yeah, I remembered. I think I wanted to ask as well. Oh, OK. I see. Yeah, thank you. Oh, yeah, I remembered.

I think I wanted to ask as well. How do you change, what was it, language input layouts on your system? Like, do you use a shortcut key to cycle between layouts, or do you have a shortcut key for a specific layout for each short like a specific shortcut key for each layout i'm not even sure what layout you use though um so for example japanese and english and so on i actually don't have something set up on my desktop right now i had something a while back and it bugged out um when i was doing stuff i was using

i was using fcitx at the time and i i don't remember what a hock yeah i had oh i uninstalled it i think i had it on like control space to swap and then i was playing an mmo and there were times where i pressed control space i'd be doing like I'd be jumping and trying to use a Control modifier ability and then I uninstalled it instead of just changing the hotkey Because I do most of my Japanese input on my phone I see But yeah, sorry, I got sidetracked there. What was the problem you were having?

Well, I haven't mentioned it yet, but essentially, the way I discovered was that I've always, you know, on Windows, I've always... I have three layouts. So I have Estonian, English, and Japanese. And I've always cycled through them

because I use all of them every day by now, at least. And it's really annoying, especially on Windows. It was really annoying. Now it seems to be fixed somewhat, but for years and years and years, I had this, the biggest issue I've had with Windows was that for some reason, it keeps adding random ass layouts to my input list. and it keeps adding random ass layouts to my input list. And I don't know why it does that. I've disabled all of those. I've researched this in the sense that I know that there are options that you can disable, but none of them fixed it, permanently at least.

For example, I'd have English, then I'd get a secondary English layout for no reason at all. Now it seems to be okay, but it was really annoying because I was cycling through them, and then the lists got longer inconsistently. So I had wrong layouts, and I need to cycle more and stuff like that. But on macOS, when I started using Yabai, I also had this idea that what if I'd have a shortcut for each layout, a specific shortcut, which was really easy to do with this program called Kava on macOS. I guess I'll link it in the case somebody is interested in that. interested in that and i set it to a super key aka the windows key plus z x or c depending on the language and that is extremely comfortable to use for me i even set up set it up on windows the same way in the sense that windows actually lets you do that. You can set a shortcut for each layout, a separate shortcut, but it's something like

you can't use the Windows key for it. So I used PowerToys to remap a Windows key shortcut to, you know, like a really multi-modifier key that I would never press in my life for each layout. And I wanted to get that working on Linux as well. And on i3, it was rather simple. With X11, it was something like set XP key map or something, something. Essentially, something specific in X11 that allowed me

to control the input method but then for japanese on ibus i'm using ibus so if i want to use anti for the japanese input i first have to like change the engine like ibus engine to anti and stuff like that which i got working for the most part but like it's kind of weird like i couldn't get it working on nobara for some reason and i couldn't get it working on xfce either until i changed the system language to japanese but when i changed it back to english then it didn't work anymore. Or rather, if I switched to i3, it didn't work anymore. But now I somehow got it working

and I don't know, it's like it's kind of messy. But the thing is that when I tried setting it up the same way in GNOME as an experiment, in Wayland, it's apparently kind of not possible. Because you can't change the layout in Wayland

through the terminal in GNOME very easily, it seems. And it was like, I searched for the question, how to do it in Wayland, and it was like, okay, just use this command. Then a year later, this command has been deprecated. Use this command. OK, now this command has also been deprecated. Use this command. And then it doesn't work the last command either.

And it's pretty hard to get stuff like that working for some reason. But I don't know. I guess it's just all a matter of experimentation and learning and researching in Linux, but it definitely takes a lot of time. Yeah, that's kind of the big problem. When I was swapping over to Japanese input,

I didn't have any issue. Well, obviously, besides the issue I mentioned where I had hotkeys overlapping each other because I'm an idiot. Besides that problem, I didn't have any problem swapping into Japanese input. The hotkey would

enable it just fine and it would just let me start typing. Yeah, maybe it's better with Mosk, but I used Anti. i didn't try out mosque because i think well i but maybe it's fine on mosque as well but the way i have it on mac os is that when i hit um the windows key or like the shortcut for that i have for japanese for layout, it's in the Hiragana mode right away. So it's not like, it doesn't type English letters. It types Japanese essentially right away.

And on Windows, I have this issue that I need to have the IME activated for each window because if I have it, if I switch to the, if I'm on the English layout and switch to the Japanese layout, it's the same until I activate the Japanese input separately. And that's really annoying in some applications, because in some applications, it doesn't save the state

which it was in, for example, in DaVinci Resolve. So right now, I'm writing subtitles for both English and Japanese in my video in DaVinci Resolve. So right now I'm writing subtitles for both English and Japanese in my video in DaVinci Resolve and I have to spend a lot of time switching the layout shortcuts essentially because I have to do it with like, I need three

to four key presses to switch between layouts and I wanted to get it working the same way on Linux as well where it's like immediate and Antti worked like that out of the box, but I'm not sure if Musk does as well. So I haven't tried it yet. Yeah, as I said, I haven't messed around with stuff in a little bit. Also, I wasn't using iBus, so I'm not entirely sure about ibus configuration yeah i haven't tried using fc ixt or whatever it was yeah yeah

i don't know why i used that one i don't recall at all it's probably more modern or something like that but um it's just that every issue i have could potentially well at least in this regard it could be potentially also solved if i just used uh mask or if i used fc instead of uh ibus and stuff like that but like yeah if i want to have the perfect upper like uh environment it's definitely going to it's it's at this point it needs to be a hobby or something that you know i get something in return because uh at least in terms of like uh not um in terms of ethics but in terms of like uh practicality and stuff like that yeah yeah yeah um that's why i have the channel

yeah honestly a lot of my early videos were just i'm gonna make a video about something that i that i broke and then i fixed um and even now that still occasionally happens uh and now you have over a thousand videos yeah i'm see i i would like to do the you know one highly edited video and i'm sure like if i did that it'd probably be better for the channel i just have this problem with i have a lot of things i want to talk about yeah it's so like in some ways i'm like uh i really wish i could make videos like that myself as well because i clearly I have so much to talk about because I even we were supposed to end this podcast a while ago. Yeah, but like, I can't do that in my videos, because every minute of like, sometimes it takes me an entire day, like 10 hours, to edit one minute of a video. And just recording voice lines takes me also a really, really long time.

So the longer a video gets, the longer it takes, essentially. And I have established a certain level of format or a certain level of editing effort in all of my videos. So if I suddenly break away from that, it feels a bit weird. And the more videos I make, it's going to be hard for viewers to find videos that are of the current format and hide away the videos that are essentially unedited and stuff like that but the problem is that youtube as a career choice heavily depends on quantity over quality essentially because even if you make a thousand videos that get

1k views each that is a million views overall. But if you make, let's say, 12 videos a year, so one video a month, there's a high chance that you only get 100,000 views in total, even though it took you about the same amount of time to make. It's a difficult choice in that sense. Out of curiosity, how long did that 15-minute macOS video take you to make? Like multiple months.

If I take the video that I made before that, and then take the video I made after, then it was, I made the video before on February 20th, and after that it was April 13th. So yeah, like a few months. Jesus. And right now, it's been almost a month since my last video. And actually, I was already making the video.

I made the last video in like a few days, which is extremely rare. I made it in between making the current video. So in reality, the current video has been taking me like almost two months right now. So, and it's like 24 minutes long right now. Yeah. It's like it's really hard to balance because all the time I'm thinking like, man, I want to make, I have so many videos I want to make, but I can't because I'm stuck to this format

unless I break the format. But at the same time, I'm glad that all of my videos are of a certain type of you know are consistent in a way yeah I might my editing is very very simple I don't I do not take a month to make a video um I take uh it's usually about in like the hour hour and a half range like my my editing is super basic i might chuck a couple of jpegs on top of stuff uh most of my editing is just cutting out my inability to string a sentence together yeah i i'm also like uh like I said, it takes me really long to voice line. So it's like, not common for a one minute of voice recordings to take me like an hour or two hours because like, even if like it takes me like 15 tries to get a sentence like properly pronounced, so it's

articulated properly and so on but then it has like a click in in somewhere that i can't get out of the audio and it's so noticeable that i have to do it again and things like that yeah and like if i like start making the if i start the voice lines my voice is not warmed up and it takes me like a third like 30 minutes to an hour to get warmed up and then it's like okay the voice clips that i did a minute ago sound completely different to the ones i do did now so i have to do all of them again or it's going to sound really weird and stuff like that it's like i know the feeling all too well yeah luckily i do things in like well either the another problem where i'll get to the end of my recording session

i'm like now my voice is kind of tired sounding because i'll be like six seven hours into recording for that day and it's like i i it's taken a while to get to the point where it's it's less noticeable that i've recorded something later in the day. Yeah. It's, uh, it's, it's,

there's a lot of things that go on behind the scenes that seem like they don't take any time, but actually are like quite complicated. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Um, we probably should end this off at some point.

Yeah. Yeah, probably. Um, I don end this off at some point. Yeah. Yeah, probably. I don't know when this will be out, but maybe you'll have another video out by then. Because my plan is I'm recording a bunch of podcasts before Christmas and then release them over that time. So this is probably going to be out, I don't know probably mid

December maybe late December um so there's your excuse to get a video done check out the channel see if there's a video there that's new yeah I suppose I guess this is

now outside of the episode already the it's not being recorded right uh no to finish off the outro and then tell me what you don't want to be recorded um oh no i was just wondering uh it's nothing like that outro yes outro can you can you do your father outro Outro. Can you do your part of the outro? Oh, am I supposed to do an outro?

Yes. Tell me where they can find your stuff. You've been here two times already. Okay. I misunderstood what you said. Okay. Yeah, you can find my YouTube channel on my YouTube. I mean, on YouTube. And you can, I suppose, subscribe to me on Twitter as well

and follow me on YouTube. It's completely in reverse. But I mean, I don't use Twitter that much. I just announce videos. Yeah. But yeah, that's it. And for my viewers, I i suppose like i said before like i genuinely like bro this channel is the only linux channel channel that i'm subscribed to and i actually

watch the videos sometimes so i really recommend the channel for linux stuff that's all thank you i appreciate it um yeah uh that's my outro your videos are also really good i just don't find time to watch them because there is they're long um no that's that's totally fine like i have like a bunch of channels that i sometimes interact with as well but it's like i feel bad because i never watch their videos anymore because i don't have time either like i'll i'll pop back into your channel every couple of months like oh new video i'll maybe i'll check that out um yeah every couple months so there's one video one new video that's that's the other problem because sometimes i'll just forget the channel exists for like three or four months because you your upload rate is like when your

upload rate is as slow as it is like it's easy to forget that just it exists at all yeah yeah yeah it's exactly like that it's like like there are some of those channels like internet historian and whoever yeah yeah upload like once a year it's like holy shit this channel existed i forgot somehow once a year internet story and just pops off every time though like it's an event whenever it happens yeah but like his channel started out with much more frequent uploads as well like he made like over 20 videos a year before and now he makes like one video a year so it's like when you have a channel at first it's much easier easier to spam videos essentially. Okay, I guess we do my outro.

You can find my gaming channel on my gaming channel. That is BroodyOnGames. I don't know what you're playing. Probably some weeb garbage. I reckon it'll be Neo The World Ends With You and Neptunia Sisters Versus Sisters so come on over

and hang out if you want to watch some weeb garbage if you want to go watch my Linux videos that is on Brody Robertson I've got no clue what'll be there probably something about Weyland because I am a Weyland shill

and that's what I've been dubbed both Weyland shill and Weyland because I am a Weyland shill and that's what I've been dubbed. Both Weyland shill and Weyland propagandist. I wear those titles with pride. And if you're listening to the audio version of this, you can find the video version on YouTube at Tech Over Tea. And if you want to find the audio version,

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a final word how do you want to sign us off um goodbye goodbye see you guys later goodbye goodbye see you guys later goodbye guys