Tech Over Tea - Poland, Linux And The Power Of FOSS | Linux Obiektywnie

Episode Date: September 6, 2024

Today we have Linux Obiektywnie on the show to talk about free software and Linux adoption inside of Poland, my knowledge of Poland is very limited so I was very curious to see what he had to say. ===...=======Support The Channel========== ► Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/brodierobertson ► Paypal: https://www.paypal.me/BrodieRobertsonVideo ► Amazon USA: https://amzn.to/3d5gykF ► Other Methods: https://cointr.ee/brodierobertson ==========Guest Links========== YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@iLinexy ==========Support The Show========== ► Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/brodierobertson ► Paypal: https://www.paypal.me/BrodieRobertsonVideo ► Amazon USA: https://amzn.to/3d5gykF ► Other Methods: https://cointr.ee/brodierobertson =========Video Platforms========== 🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBq5p-xOla8xhnrbhu8AIAg =========Audio Release========= 🎵 RSS: https://anchor.fm/s/149fd51c/podcast/rss 🎵 Apple Podcast:https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tech-over-tea/id1501727953 🎵 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3IfFpfzlLo7OPsEnl4gbdM 🎵 Google Podcast: https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9hbmNob3IuZm0vcy8xNDlmZDUxYy9wb2RjYXN0L3Jzcw== 🎵 Anchor: https://anchor.fm/tech-over-tea ==========Social Media========== 🎤 Discord:https://discord.gg/PkMRVn9 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/TechOverTeaShow 📷 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/techovertea/ 🌐 Mastodon:https://mastodon.social/web/accounts/1093345 ==========Credits========== 🎨 Channel Art: All my art has was created by Supercozman https://twitter.com/Supercozman https://www.instagram.com/supercozman_draws/ DISCLOSURE: Wherever possible I use referral links, which means if you click one of the links in this video or description and make a purchase we may receive a small commission or other compensation.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Good morning, good day, and good evening. I'm as always your host, Brodie Robinson. This is one of the first podcasts back since I did all the gaming ones. So if I'm a little rusty today, it's been about two months since I actually last recorded the podcast. And I think this should be a fun one to come back to. I live in Australia. I live in Australia. The state of computing here is pretty much what you expect from like America, the UK, places like that. But the way that people interact with the computing infrastructure is different around the world.
Starting point is 00:00:44 And today we have someone from Poland who also has a YouTube channel who I'm not going to try to pronounce the name of. I'll let you do the introduction. So, welcome to the show. Today, what the plan is, is basically to explain what the state of FOSS is like and Linux adoption and things like that in Poland. So, let the people know who you are. Give an introduction. Hello, I'm Linux Objectivnie. Basically, it means Linux objectively in English.
Starting point is 00:01:10 I'm a YouTuber. I'm trying to teach a new generation, Generation Z, about Linux. I'm doing my videos as dynamically as I can. And if you want to check my channel out I have some videos in English at least English subtitles that are added there so you can go and do that yeah that's my introduction basically you know that works well enough as an introduction so before we get into like a lot of the the main stuff I kind of want to know about your background in computing, your background in Linux. Like how did you get interested in it in the first place?
Starting point is 00:01:51 And from there we can launch off into just more wider stuff. Yeah, sure. So basically when I was a nine year old, I think it was when Ubuntu 9.10 released. Okay. Yeah, I was 10 then. I was a little child, basically. And I was learning English. Almost nothing in Linux was very well translated, at least.
Starting point is 00:02:18 But I was having enough of my Windows Vista that was on my computer. Nothing worked. Was there any translation attempt at all in Ubuntu at the time? Yeah, there was. There was at least a try to make the Ubuntu work in Polish, but a lot of GUI elements was not translated yet. Right now, it's good to go, I think. But then, not really. Yeah, when I was at Aten and I installed Ubuntu,
Starting point is 00:02:55 it was very simple, just like installing Ubuntu right now. I just plugged my DVD drive back then to my computer and I just installed it and I was trying to do basic things on this and it worked. I was bought by the concept of compis back then because it was like wow those effects are really good those wobbly windows those cube effects so I installed it and back then the wine was not really good at least yet I was trying to do anything other than just browsing internet and anything else it was really hard But I was staying on Linux for about two or three months
Starting point is 00:03:48 and I installed it on my colleague computer and I installed it on my nephew computer, I think. They were not really happy about that because they could not play their games. I tried to explain
Starting point is 00:04:04 them that Wine was a thing, that they can run those things, but I think that was a year when League of Legends was gaining popularity, and League of Legends was known for not working great on wine. Right now it's not working. No, not at all. Almost at all. Yeah, League came out on the 27th of October 2009.
Starting point is 00:04:29 So around about that time is when it was first, like... I guess, yeah, it was probably right off the start. So yeah, I can imagine that would be really annoying that this new game that everyone's playing, suddenly, for some reason, he just decided to make it not work yeah i mean it did work on wine but it was so complicated to make it work right uh yeah it was working great at least on my end uh but it was complicated to configure the wine to work right
Starting point is 00:05:01 so right now you know just you run run Proton and everything is working. Except those pisky anti-cheats. Yeah. But back then it was really horrible to make anything work. So I gave up Linux after, I think, three or two months and I went back to Windows. three or two months and I went back to Windows and I installed Windows 7 I think because I was getting enough of Windows Vista not working correctly for me and I basically kind of liked Windows 7 it was good system nothing was very bloated back then, everything was working. But when the Windows 10 and 8 released, something started to break, for me at least. Windows 8 was just something different. I kind of liked that they tried to invent everything from the start,
Starting point is 00:06:02 but it was not working for the PCs at least. It was more for a tablet, not for PC. Windows 8.1 tried to fix it, but it was making it even more complicated for me, because it was like mixing two words together. And then they tried to release Windows 10. It was the worst system that I've ever used, at least for me. It required me to use my Microsoft account. Not yet, but further in the line, yeah, it was a requirement.
Starting point is 00:06:44 Everything was just so bloated, like Candy Crush pre-installed on my computer, like why? I don't want that! Everything was weird, but I just stuck to it because everything worked and I wasn't having any energy left to try something different I wasn't having any energy left to try something different. And I didn't have money to buy Mac back then. So just like everyone in Poland didn't have money to buy Mac. And I stuck to Windows 10 until Windows 11 release. And Windows 11 has a nice GUI. Yeah, I can say that. It's really good in some cases when it's not like doubling the options in two ways. But the requirement of TPM 2.0, the requirement of secure boot enabled, everything that it had to be done to make
Starting point is 00:07:49 it work correctly, it didn't work on my last PC. That was i5 third generation. It was great. Oh, yeah, that's definitely not going to happen to you. Yeah, but everything else was working very good, so I could play my games. League of Legends back then was working. I tried to play League of Legends.
Starting point is 00:08:12 I was hooked up. Yeah, my friend did hook me up to this game. But it was working on this i5 third generation, but I couldn't update to Windows 11, and I really wanted to because I'm just a tech guy so I want to try everything before I have my opinion about something. I bought a new PC. Yeah, I bought a new PC with AMD because I had enough of Intel and their motherboards that are only for one CPU generation.
Starting point is 00:08:50 So yeah, you know, Intel has their motherboard for 5th generation, 6th generation, and it's coming out. But on the other hand, AMD tried to do something else and they had a motherboard for the first generation of Ryzen second third fourth and fifth I think I'm not sure about that but I'm yeah it was definitely a couple of generations I don't know if it was that far yeah I don't know how far but at least three first generation of Ryzen can be plugged in my PC. So I ended up with Ryzen and yeah, I installed Windows 11 and I was even more disappointed than on Windows 10.
Starting point is 00:09:40 It was the worst buff of my entire life, I think. But yeah. Back then, I tried to do something else. But yeah, Windows 11 was not a good thing for me. I didn't like the things that were going on about these requirements and the solutions for the weird problems that was caused by the system that was... Basically, Windows is just a weird system. Everything is working on something that was invented a long time ago. And they are porting this code to new versions but putting a nice layer on top of it. It's just like Xorg. And I didn't like that. I tried to install Hackintosh on
Starting point is 00:10:36 my PC back then but on the AMD processor and Nvidia GPU, yeah, it's not a good solution to do. So I just bought a Mac. And I was kind of surprised how smooth it was. Yeah, it is really smooth compared to Windows, but I was lacking those customizations options that were allowed on Windows. I couldn't do anything more power-usery that I could do on Windows.
Starting point is 00:11:13 So I installed Linux on my PC back again because I was using the PC just for the gaming. And I used Mac. When I bought it, I used it for everything else. So basically searching web. Yeah, that's all that Mac can do basically. And I installed Linux on my PC because I read a news about the copilot. I didn't like the idea about taking the screenshots of everything in random time on my pc and i knew i still know that if it succeeds on the snapdragons it will come to x86 it's it already runs on it there's no reason why it can't be moved yeah yeah that's what i thought uh when the copilot was uh released
Starting point is 00:12:08 on the snapdragon so i just installed uh my first linux uh distro for about eight years uh Ubuntu 9.10. So I installed I think it was SteamOS, Falk, it was HoloOS, it was not working on NVIDIA. Yeah. Just game pad UI, I think it's called something like that.
Starting point is 00:12:40 It was not working. There was only a black screen, no TTI, nothing after install. So I tried something else and I installed OpenSUSE because I wanted a rolling release. Oh, so you went with Tumbleweed? Yeah, I went with Tumbleweed.
Starting point is 00:13:03 I installed it. Everything was working great until I tried to boot up any game because it was running on open source NVIDIA drivers. And this was my first wall that I encountered with Linux. The need of installing NVIDIA drivers with the terminal. So I was not used to terminal back then. I had no idea what I'm doing, but I followed the instructions on the Tumbleweed page
Starting point is 00:13:36 that told me what to do to make the NVIDIA work correctly, at least. I entered all those commands without knowing what they do. I restarted my PC and everything went black. Yeah. I don't know what I did wrong, but something definitely went really wrong after entering those commands. Maybe I just messed up, I don't know. But okay, I was kinda exhausted, so I just installed Ubuntu. Not Ubuntu, Kubuntu, because I didn't like the idea of modifying the GNOME for their desktop. I don't like the modifications that they are doing to the GNOME. When they were using Unity, I think I left the Linux when they used Unity and I didn't follow what they have been doing. But when I saw they are using GNOME again, I was like, no, I don't think I'm,
Starting point is 00:14:42 I want GNOME. I want something that I can customize. So I installed Kibuntu. And to my surprise, everything just worked out of the box. So I could just install any of my games. The installation process, on the other hand, was just so simple. It was way more simple than on Windows. I just plugged the USB stick, pressed next a couple of times,
Starting point is 00:15:07 and it worked. And after the installation, I installed Steam from the Discover. I think I used Snap, unfortunately. But everything still worked. And I run all my games. So basically, I could boot up my Tekken 8 session and play a couple of hours. But there were some problems with Kubuntu that I couldn't take.
Starting point is 00:15:40 So basically every time I tried to open my browser, it was like two, three seconds before it put up. I tried to read on the online forums, why is that? So why is it working so slowly? And everyone was saying that it's using Snap. And I was like, what is Snap? And I was just getting really hooked up by everything that was on those forums.
Starting point is 00:16:07 I learned a lot of things. But when I tried to uninstall Firefox from Snap, for some reason, I don't know if Kubernetes uses Pulse Audio or Pipewire, but it broke the driver for that. So basically, my sound stopped working when the Firefox was not installed on Snap. So I ended up with Firefox from Snap and Firefox from, I think, their own repo,
Starting point is 00:16:39 because you can add the Ubuntu repo in the Discover on Kubuntu. But I was just like, it's called Firefox. It's called Firefox. I was just kind of confused why it needs to be done this way. And I did my worst thing, I think, back then. I tried to install newer NVIDIA driver. They have a really nice
Starting point is 00:17:09 for installing the NVIDIA drivers but for some reason they have the version 5.3.5 and 5.4.5. It is really old, by the way. I could not run Wayland on this. I tried, because when I was reading about snaps and all the other things, I read that Wayland is really good. It was not on those drivers. Yeah, it to make it work. And when I tried to install it,
Starting point is 00:17:47 all my screen went black again. The driver is corrupt on those, at least was corrupted on those repos. I tried it a couple of times because my screen went black, but I was like, okay, I'm kind of hooked up in the terminal right now because of those new things that I learned. I went on some forum and I ended up with mode probing, I think, the NVIDIA driver out of the kubuntu to make it work on Nuvo. I think it's called something like that. I always say it wrong, so don't ask me. Yeah, and I just used tty to purge nvidia and install it again with the 535. Okay, I tried it again, and again, the same problem. And I was like, okay, it works, I think, for now.
Starting point is 00:18:48 But I'm not really satisfied with that. I like the newest technology, so I wanted to try how Wayland works. Because resizing Windows even on X11 is so choppy. Windows even on the X11 is so choppy. It's on 120 FPS, a hertz monitor was like really not following my mouse and I read that Wayland can resolve those problems. So I tried Arch Linux and back back then, I read that there's something called Arch Install. And I tried using
Starting point is 00:19:32 that. And yeah, it worked really good. And to be honest, I was surprised how easy it was to install it using Arch Install. Because I could just select NVIDIA driver, bang, everything worked. I could select my desktop environment, bang, I don't need to
Starting point is 00:19:52 select a bunch of flavors of Ubuntu to make this desktop work. Everything just worked out of the box when I selected the correct options in those Arch install scripts. And I ended up having fun with Arch because it was rolling release, it didn't have problems with NVIDIA-like openSUSE, and I stayed on Arch. I tried to install Arch without Arch install later on, so don't hate me, guys. Yeah, I did it. And yeah, I'm just right now staying on Arch on my main PC. I also tried Endeavor OS, but it was like, it's just like Arch, I think. It's just Arch with a graphical installer basically
Starting point is 00:20:47 and some pre-installed packages and i was like no it's not for me i think arch is the best solution because it was really bare-bones it was nothing installed on the arch i wanted that for my games to run as smoothly as possible because I want even that one FPS that I can have on my games. And yeah, Arch was best for that because after that I think I installed Plasma on top of it, but I ended up with GNOME for some reason. Don't ask me how it ended up from Plasma to GNOME. Basically, I think it was because of the Qt's apps being overloaded with all of those options. It was like looking at those old Windows Windows. Windows Windows? Old Windows options. So you have
Starting point is 00:21:48 nice right click on Windows 11 but when you press more options it's showing you the old Windows more options basically. And those more options looked just like everything on Qt apps for me. Nothing was really modern, at least in the GUI. On the other hand GNOME was working just very similar to my Mac that I was using for browsing Internet and everything else on this time. And it was simple. It was really simple. And since I needed my computer just for games, I ended up using GNOME and I think I installed Hyperland for more performance when I wanted
Starting point is 00:22:39 just a window manager, not a whole desktop environment. But for the desktop environment, I used GNOME because it was so simple. Yeah, and right now I'm staying on those configurations at least. So basically, I moved to Linux just to get rid of Windows, but not lose any of my FPS that i had on my right uh games no i'm just thinking it's funny because you you left windows like because you you wanted to get obviously it was the tpm stuff but um yeah then you went to mac and you weren't happy with mac because there was the lack of customization yeah but then you got solcom syndrome and you weren't happy with Mac because there was the lack of customization. But then you got Solcom syndrome and you really actually liked the lack of customization
Starting point is 00:23:28 and went to Gnome. Yeah, it's something like that. Yeah, I think Gnome was just good for me because it's simple. But on the other hand, you can still customize it because it's not like Mac. So you can install some extensions on Mac yeah you basically you can't do anything to the desktop environment you have you have just nice desktop environment based on Dorwick you can't do anything to this on GNOME you can remove some things you can modify the
Starting point is 00:24:00 code to make it work just like you want but on the Mac you you cannot do anything like that and no was best of the two words for me so it was simple like Mac but it was more customizable life to Mac so I ended up with that but I do love plasma with all my. I just don't like the Qt apps really much. One thing you didn't mention at the start of your story is, so you said that you installed Ubuntu 9.10. How did you originally find out about Linux back then? I think I was watching some youtube videos uh because i wanted to have those nice ario effects
Starting point is 00:24:50 uh back then on windows vista and it was not working for me at least on my old pc uh it defaulted me to oreo basic i think it was called something like that and there was a nice translucent Windows effect But it was not working on my PC for some reason I think it was because I had a home basic Windows Vista back then and it had only Oreo basic, but I found that someone was showing their cube I found that someone was showing their cube multi-desktop solution for Compus Fusion, and I was like, wow, this looks so, so good compared to Windows.
Starting point is 00:25:37 And yeah, that was the main reason that I tried Linux back then, because it looked so modern, so good compared to what we had on Windows. Okay, that's fair, that's fair, it makes a lot of sense. compared to what we had on Windows. Okay, that's fair, that's fair, makes a lot of sense. Um... Yeah, I was a little child, okay? Yeah, no, that's fair. Like, I personally, I knew about Linux like a long time ago, but I didn't really try it until, what, something like that so i don't have that like first-hand experience with those why i've used a little bit of some of the old versions on like a stream but like actually using it as something running on my system as like something
Starting point is 00:26:19 running on hardware i don't have that like first- with. So I can only look back at it as like what was there at the time. Um, I didn't really care about computers in the same way back then. Like I cared more about like, I was more interested in electronics back then rather than like the software side. So if someone handed me a computer and they let me take it apart, I would do that.
Starting point is 00:26:44 But I didn't really care about how the like the software fit together at least yeah i was more like a software guy than a hardware guy since since i started basically uh all of my life so the main reason why uh i i you wanted to come on here i brought you here is you want to talk about like linux and free software in in poland so i guess we'll talk about this a bit before we start recording but i guess we can get into like how things change with windows why Windows got adopted in Poland, how like what the state of Linux was like when all of that was sort of happening? Yeah so basically when the Iron Curtain fell off, everything was very
Starting point is 00:27:38 different for the Polish people. So back then after the Iron Curtain fell off, we were just getting everything from the West. We were having fun from the West technologies. And almost four years passed by and Windows got localized to Polish language. So Iron Curtain fell off in 89 for us at least. We went out as the first country I think from the grip of the big brother and Polish version of Windows 3.1 was released and everyone was in need of some operating system for business because yeah it was just like computer revolution back then everyone was working on computers but almost no one in Poland knew English at those times because we were on the creep on Russians and we only knew Russian kinda and Polish language.
Starting point is 00:28:55 So when the Windows got localized to Polish language, it was like, yeah, that's really good. We can just use it and we can understand everything. But on the other hand, Linux didn't have the Polish localization for a long time when I read at least about that. Well, when that first happened... Oh, actually, you said like five years after the fact. So Linux was out by then.
Starting point is 00:29:22 I think... When did Debian first come out let me see debian launched in 93 so it would have been around the time of debian and slackware first starting then but we didn't really have but i think yeah localization polish yeah localization i think was released on something called polinux or something like that the first polish distribution of I I don't know don't Know I there's a lot of like those early distros that I'm not yeah, I've like have really bad I guess Archival like this is not really much remembered about them online at this point
Starting point is 00:30:05 Yeah, my father lastly called me that, because he knew that I'm working on my channel about Linux. And he called me and said to me, hey, I heard about something called Paul Linux or something like that. And I installed it on my server in the walk. It works so great great and I was like what is this distribution I've never heard about it and then I just read about it and yeah it was the first distribution that had full polish localization but back then everything was just working on Windows when it was released. So everyone got used to Windows and no one wanted to change anything. Especially since Windows had nice GUI and Linux just using X11 but no
Starting point is 00:31:05 of the desktop environments was as good as they are right now at least. Yeah well what we had back then when did so GNOME hadn't come out yet KDE came out in 96 so I think there was
Starting point is 00:31:21 like there was probably it was CDE and a couple other things like that and then things still needed to get ported over from Unix over to Linux as well so there was also that problem a lot of people were kind of just
Starting point is 00:31:38 it wasn't really until I think Red Hat Linux really where graphical environments really started to become... Yeah, it wasn't until, like, 95 where that first started to actually become a normal viability for most people. Yeah, and for the typical user that uses computer, you need the graphical interface. Because they don't know how to use the terminal. And they don't want to know how to use terminal.
Starting point is 00:32:14 And when they got used to Windows and the simplicity it offered, they didn't want to get to Linux after that, I think. In all of the companies that they had, people were already used to Windows. It was working so well. I know that in the US, there was macOS and Windows, and some companies worked on that, and some companies worked on the Windows. But Windows had one advantage over
Starting point is 00:32:46 Mac in Poland. It was working on every PC. So you can have any part of the computer and you can install Windows on it. And Windows didn't really like
Starting point is 00:33:01 anything that... Yeah, you can just crack Windows. You don't need anything. Especially back then. Yeah, Microsoft just allows you to crack Windows just because they want you to use Windows. And I think it's staying just like that since then. Because you can easily activate... Yeah, by typing two commands in your command line.
Starting point is 00:33:31 So yeah, they allow you to crack the Windows just for you to use it. But Mac, you could not do that. So you just left with Windows that works really good with GUI and Linux that don't really have those nice localization, don't have GUI, and your workers could not work on it very efficiently. And everyone just got used to Windows because of that, I think. Yeah, and my father was learning on the university. Almost nothing, I think, from the books that he showed me was about Linux. Everything was about Windows. So they were focusing on Windows, not on everything else.
Starting point is 00:34:28 So yeah, it was, I think, a big chunk of the Linux adoption in Poland in the early days. It was kind of the time where Linux was... It wasn't really ready for anyone then, but it especially wasn't ready if you didn't have... If you weren't competent in English. If you could speak English, could read English, you could at least try to use it. But if you had the issue of needing a localization, then, like, some localizations were being worked on.
Starting point is 00:34:57 And, like, I'm not sure when, like, early, like, German localization started happening, but I know there was a very, very early German distro. So probably around that time as well but it's taken a very long time to expand out and there's still a lot of areas that aren't really that well covered now but it's gotten a lot better than it definitely was back then yeah that's for sure I think that even now it's changing, but Polish localization is something that is not included in almost anything that is trying to be sold to Polish people. So right now we've got... Talking about the games, for example, Tekken 7 had no Polish localization.
Starting point is 00:35:48 games for example uh tekken 7 had no polish localization uh it was released uh in 2017 i think uh but on the other hand tekken 8 has full polish localization uh and it was like that for a long time that almost nothing uh had polish localization and when you come to your PC and you see that everything is in Polish because of Windows that localized your system it was like wow everything is just prepared for me but of course the generation that was growing up it was also me that wanted to try some games, had to learn some language to play them. So basically, all of the games that you had defaulted to English. And it was the simplest solution just to learn the default. And many people just use defaults. It was the same, I think, for most of the people that were trying to learn how to play games in my country
Starting point is 00:36:45 because yeah English is really popular yeah you have all the games in English and that's why my generation knows English more than the previous generation I think I'm kind of worried that the localization is going to every game and everything right now, because I'm worried that the new generation won't have the need of learning English and having access to all the English documentations that they have. And in the Linux world, you still need those, I think. So you have Polish localization, but when you try to do something else than simple things, you need to go to the English forums or
Starting point is 00:37:34 just like in my place, you need to go to the Arch Wiki and learn something. Because, yeah, you can't really have this thing in polish and i guess if you ever wanted to if you ever wanted to like report a bug as well like there's very few projects where if you reported in polish you would get any sort of useful response yeah so basically all of the time when I try to report something and I have Polish localization I'm wondering should I report this in Polish or should I report this in English and I'm ending up reporting in English because I know that everyone will understand it when they are creating the project but even
Starting point is 00:38:20 if there's a Polish localization about some project, they might not know the bug report that I've sent to them. And they probably need to translate it to the other team and they can mistranslate something. And yeah, so I ended up with reporting in English. But when you have full polish localizations probably most of the people will use polish to try to back report everything so you said a lot of people like learn English because like you know I imagine a lot of people also learn English because of like movies and stuff like that like they
Starting point is 00:39:04 just want to be able to consume stuff that's not in Polish. But do you guys have like English education in your schools now? Or is it? Yeah, yeah. Okay. So basically, I don't know how it was before. I mean, when the Iron Curtain fell off. But I know that my grandma, for example, was not learning English.
Starting point is 00:39:28 So they were just learning Russian, I think, and it was German. So they didn't want them to learn English because, yeah, those pesky Americans back then. but after the Iron Curtain fell off I think something changed because at least from 2000 everything was in English because yeah we were having stuff from
Starting point is 00:39:54 West brought to Poland and the Polish education tried to implement English so my first encounter with English language and just basically knowing that it's English was when I was in kindergarten. So some lady came out, came to us and tried to learn, teach us about English. So they, I still remember that the first thing that they taught us
Starting point is 00:40:30 was how to say apple. So I don't know why, but it was the first thing that they taught us in English. I guess because it's a word that's easy to show you in Apple and you know the Polish word for that and then you know the English word for it and you can make that connection easier. Maybe. But it's a really weird
Starting point is 00:40:55 word on the other hand. It is a random word to go with. Yeah. But yeah. Polish education has English classes since since very preschool right now. So yeah, you are learning. And I think that you need to have one language that you are extending in your exams. So when you end up your school, you need to select one language that you are learning
Starting point is 00:41:28 to have the extended exam about that. And yeah, almost every school teaches you English. So basically almost everyone just extends English language on their exams. So it's pretty rare to run into someone in Poland that wouldn't know, unless they're in like the older generation, that wouldn't know at least some level of English. I imagine some people probably are very lazy with it though and don't really study as much as they should.
Starting point is 00:42:02 Yeah, I know those people, but yeah, they know at least some basic level of English, so they can hop on some online games and say those words that you say on the online games. Look, that's all
Starting point is 00:42:20 you need to know. Yeah, they know how to say those words. They use present simple for everything but yeah it works okay okay i i hadn't expected as much considering just like i guess as i said before like how many it how do i say this it's like, the percentage of people that I've seen from Poland in my audience or, like, on Mastodon, places like that. Like, obviously, I expect a lot of people from the US. Like, the US, massive place.
Starting point is 00:42:55 And, you know, obviously, most people there only speak English. But all, like, big place. And there's a lot of people in, like germany as well that are big on free software i don't i don't know the history of why germany's big on free software i'm sure someone can explain that to me but it's always seemed weird to me just how many people i run into that like are either from poland have a polish heritage or something else like that but you've also said that there's just there's not this this connection that poland has with like linux and free software so it it seems really weird to me that like that's that's
Starting point is 00:43:32 happened like somehow maybe there's just like a the people that managed to come across linux end up getting very very dedicated to it or some of the reason like that but some things really happened there I think that we Polish people have really strong connection with one word, free so just like you said free software we were under occupation so basically
Starting point is 00:43:57 almost all the time Russian occupied us German occupied us everyone occupied Poland everyone wanted to be free. And when they hear that you have proprietary software, that you are not free to use anything, and you have something that is free, you can edit everything, you are just basically free. You are indoctrinated with the free idea in the school, basically. So yeah, we want to be free, we want our independence.
Starting point is 00:44:31 And when you are indoctrinated with those ideas, you kind of like it when Linux offers you that. Because all of the other software does not offer you that. So yeah, I think that can be one of the other software does not offer you that. So yeah, I think that can be one of the things that leads people to Linux from Poland. Because you are free. You are free when you are using Linux. Linux is free. Linux is free to use. Yeah, free just
Starting point is 00:45:04 is Linuxux basically that's a that's an interesting point i hadn't really thought about it like that because like again from like australia like we don't really australia it it's we started as a prison colony basically so it's like this it's this weird it's this weird other like way of looking at things well australia is very how would you say like i guess like really lax about things australia is very like if whatever happens happens basically oh there's like a snake there oh it's fine it's fine is it alligator or is a crocodile whatever that's fine don't just don't agree nerd i was a big spider just it's fine it won't hurt you yeah and then people always find
Starting point is 00:45:51 that like really weird when especially with spiders right like there's a lot of people who are like deathly afraid of them but when i'm like yeah it's a spider won't hurt you just just hit it it doesn't matter like i don't know it's just it's just a very different way of a very different way of looking at things and we do have like a um we do have some level of like linux events here and free software events here but it's australia is also in like the the capitals like very Americanized as well. So it's not really something that's developed out of Australia. It's something that's been imported from America.
Starting point is 00:46:33 Yeah. Yeah, I knew that Australia was the prison colony. That almost always bugged me when I learned that in my school. But I didn't know how Australia ended up free from being just prison colony. But yeah, that's on the other
Starting point is 00:46:54 topic than Linux. I think that some people in my country at least have those ideas planted in their head. Not all of them. i would even say that minority of people have planted this in their head but when they have planted this in their head it's planted really deep so they don't want to give their freedom back when they reach those freedom ideas. So that's why I think when someone gets hooked to Linux,
Starting point is 00:47:30 they don't really want to give the Linux to anything that is proprietary. Okay. Okay. So I guess now, like nowadays, like what is the state of things? Because obviously you had that history with Windows where it was basically the only option that was there. But what about now? Obviously, most people are still probably using Windows
Starting point is 00:48:00 because most people use Windows everywhere. But what about Linux? What about macOS? Yeah, and I guess we can talk about smartphones in a bit as well, but I guess we'll start with the computing stuff, the computer stuff. Yeah, starting from the computer stuff, I noticed that a really good amount of my friends are starting to getting mac os uh based computers so i think it started
Starting point is 00:48:28 when the surprisingly windows 11 uh released uh but i think yeah but i think it also comes to the fact that polish uh people are getting more rich right now because after the iron curtain fell off we were just like poor post-communist country right now we are kind of getting to the point where we are comparing ourselves to something like uh greece something oh maybe not greece maybe because they had they had their problems some yeah UK basically were saying something like yeah they were saying like Poland will get to our GDP uh soon so we are getting richer and richer in Poland and we can finally afford uh buying ourselves a Mac, but back then you could not afford a Mac. It's so overpriced. Right now it's still so overpriced, but at least now you can have
Starting point is 00:49:36 some money and you can't really buy it. So I noticed that more people are buying Macs and less people are using Windows. I have not seen a lot of people using Windows 11 so almost all of my friends that are using Windows have not upgraded their system. Maybe because they don't want to, maybe because they don't know that they can't update it, and maybe because their PC doesn't allow them to upgrade it. But almost everyone is using Windows 10, I think, from my friends, or macOS. But when it comes to Linux,
Starting point is 00:50:30 mac os but when it comes to linux i think it kinda uh grew when the steam deck uh was released because before that almost no one was using windows linux i think so it was really niche uh it was about one percent something like that after the steam deck released yeah there was a lot of hype because you can actually buy steam deck uh on polish uh steam uh marketplace so you can just press one button and buy the steam deck yeah i know that you can't buy it in australia yeah i know but in poland you just go to the steam store and press one button, you buy the Steam Deck, basically. And then, yeah, more people were starting to get interested in Linux. Because when they got their Steam Deck,
Starting point is 00:51:14 they noticed how smooth it works. You can just press one button and your game just boots up. Everything works. Just like on your your pc but without this needless of pressing all of the continue continue i do not accept buttons that you have on windows so you just take out if console press one button and you play it's just like normal console so you can install it on your pc because it's linux and yeah i think more people are trying at least linux on their pcs because of the steam deck yeah of course it's a minimal distribution
Starting point is 00:51:55 and you cannot do much on it but flat packs are thing right now. And Flatpaks are really good because people are getting used to Linux because of that. And I think Steam Deck is a great starting point for telling the people that using Linux can be really simple right now. At least in the nearest future, the nvidia uh sorts out their things with their uh drivers uh on all the distributions because right now you are still uh on 535 on ubuntu so yeah i i've been watching like linux gaming stuff since basically the very start because i remember when Proton was first announced like back then there was like a list
Starting point is 00:52:48 of I think 7 or so games but the fact that there were any games at all because I was aware of Linux before that but like I knew and I used Wine on Mac OS for example but like Linux I was like not going to use that then Proton came out I was like oh that's cool
Starting point is 00:53:04 but it wasn't great at the time then like a few years later. It went from seven games like 700 games I don't know the number is at this point basically everything that I want to play either just works Or I changed to like a slightly newer version of proton and it just works But I think the steam deck not just in Poland, but pretty much everywhere, sort of put another light onto Linux. Like what happened when Proton first released and there's a bunch of coverage back then. It happened once again, but the difference this time is there was a lot more games that just worked. And KDE is in like a much nicer state than I don't know what they were shipping on the original steam machines I think it was I want to say it was a good known back then
Starting point is 00:53:53 But also they didn't have proton back with the steam machines as well so that was kind of just the whole mess, but now there's this thing that you can buy and People aren't just using it as a gaming device. Like there's a lot of people that are trying out that desktop mode and who are actually seeing this works. Like yeah, it's missing a lot of apps that you want to have. Like if you need some specific stuff for work and things like that. Yeah, sure. But for a gaming machine, assuming you don't play League, which obviously is a big game, and a couple other heavy anti-cheat games,
Starting point is 00:54:31 like you legitimately can use it. And there's a lot of people out there who aren't playing those games as well, who like all my games, besides what I play on my PS5, I just play on Linux and they have no issues. And I'm really glad to see that people are actually seeing this now. Because obviously people have been saying it for a long time.
Starting point is 00:54:53 Like, it's been like this probably since 2019, 2020. But now that you actually have a thing and it shows people and it got a bunch of coverage, thing and it shows people and it got a bunch of coverage now even though the number is small it's a number that legitimately can grow because people know that something is possible
Starting point is 00:55:14 now yeah that's true Steam Deck is expanding Linux community a lot I showed Steam Deck to my girlfriend and she was like how can you play Lethal Company for example on this?
Starting point is 00:55:30 It's just some kind of console. And I told her yeah, it's just a PC running Linux. And she was like wow, it's weird that it works. But then of course she wanted to play valorant and
Starting point is 00:55:47 it was like no you can't yeah sadly yeah it would be so i'm really yeah i'm really rooting that when the linux will grow the companies will see that there's a need of something that they can install on Linux. So I don't know, maybe some kernel extension, just like with the Nvidia drivers, unfortunately, just to have this anti-cheat, if someone really wants to play this, to have the option just to play it on Linux. Because right now you just can't
Starting point is 00:56:24 without the spoofing the VM or something like that. And it's not really a good solution because you can really easily get banned. Yeah. But it's a good starting point. When more people will get hooked up to Linux, yeah, I hope. I really root for it.
Starting point is 00:56:44 I kind of wish it just went the way with macOS, where a lot of these games that are on macOS, Apple's just like, no, you can't have kernel-level anti-cheat, but they just want to release on macOS anyway, so they just have to deal with it. That's not going to happen,
Starting point is 00:57:00 sadly. But, I kind of wish that they would work on something because like i'm at least glad that the generic energy systems like battle eye and eac have those linux versions there although some devs don't enable it like epic with fortnite because it's is so dumb yeah they will they're happy to let all of their customers use it but they won't go and enable it themselves which says a lot about the confidence they have in the product but yeah i don't know like at least there's a lot of games that do enable it like Elden Ring for example that has EAC yeah, BattleEye? EAC
Starting point is 00:57:47 one of the two EAC okay and yeah it goes enable so you can actually play online with Elden Ring, you can play online with Armored Core 6 and I I just hope more devs go ahead and do this and not just those but
Starting point is 00:58:02 I would like to see some level of support from like a lot of the gacha games we're seeing coming from china as well i know a lot of people don't like these games but look genshin impact games like this are massive and there are ways you can get them running that may get you banned um but it would be nice if there are ways you can get them running that may get you banned. But it would be nice if there were ways to play them without getting potentially banned. Yeah, to be honest, I tried all those solutions to play gacha games on my PC, on my Linux machine. I didn't get banned, right now at least. I'm still using Sleep Launcher for Xenoless Zone Zero. It's a gacha game from Hoiiverse,
Starting point is 00:58:50 just like Genshin Impact. I think just running it under Proton or Wine won't get you banned, because it's also using Easy Anti-Cheat, I think. And they need to allow to use it because if they didn't allow to use it, then it would not be possible to run it on Linux. So they needed to enable it on the EasyAntiCheat
Starting point is 00:59:19 and you can get the advantage of it. and you can get the advantage of it. But I think the problem with the people that are creating those launchers is that they are giving you more options than the Hoyoverse is giving you. So, for example, you can unlock the FPS limit for the Genshin Impact, and Hoyoverse wouldn't allow you to do that on their official launcher and all of those additional features can get you banned but when you are just using Proton I think you are safe to say that you are able to run the game without the possibility of getting you banned, but I don't want to say that out loud to not get anyone banned. I know that there was one problem that a lot of people got banned
Starting point is 01:00:16 when using the wine version, but it was a bug, I think, because a lot of people were using some feeds that were based probably on Wine or something like that. Right now, it's safe to play those games, but I would not use any additional features. And I would not say that you won't get banned for sure. But I think it's great great uh for them at least they don't say that you can't run those games and they don't say that you can't so it's just like with league of legends before the vanguard went off uh so they didn't say that you can't use Linux for playing League of Legends. They also didn't say that you can run it on Linux. And they are just having those options that, yeah, if the Linux grows, we will just support it just like right now. But if the Linux community won't be big enough we will just disable the support
Starting point is 01:01:28 in the future just like League of Legends is. So I think at least some games have those anti-cheat support but yeah just like you said Epic Games they created easy anti-cheat basically and they don't want you to have it in the Fortnite on the Linux it's really weird for me that some companies do that Tim Sweeney's just always been weird about Linux as well, so I don't know
Starting point is 01:01:55 what the deal is there I mean, I understand the Riot perspective at least because they have really and they want to develop Linux themselves as well, yeah I mean, I understand the Riot perspective. Sure, sure. Because they have really... And they want to develop Linux support themselves as well, yeah. Yeah, they have really intrusive antichrist. This is true, yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:13 It just goes straight into your Windows kernel. It has every permission that they want to have. But on the other hand, I really dislike also this fact about Riot Games because when I was playing on my Windows PC, on my AMD processor, I was having a lot of blue screens with Valorant. And when I was talking about it on Reddit
Starting point is 01:02:46 or trying to back report it, they were saying like, no, it's not our fault. But it was clearly happening when I was playing Valorant, when the Vanguard was active. It was not happening on all the other occasions. And right now,
Starting point is 01:03:02 they released a statement that, yeah, it was a problem But it was due to Intel's faulty 13th and 14th generation CPUs Like brother, I'm using AMD. It's not that Yeah, yeah, I have no doubt there were additional problems from 13 and 14th gen Intel because they're a disaster of a platform but I don't think that can take all the blame.
Starting point is 01:03:30 Yeah. Easy anti-cheat, I mean all of the anti-cheat programs are really weird for me because they should not have so much access to do your system at least for me. So I love the solution that you have on Linux
Starting point is 01:03:46 when they enable it for the Linux. They kind of can't get to your system so much that they can in Windows. They can't control, for example, your traffic cards to just burn or your PC to not be able to boot like with CrowdStrike situation. And Riot says that, yeah, our anti-cheat won't let any situation like CrowdStrike, but it really can because one wrong line can lead to this.
Starting point is 01:04:16 It's the same thing. It's in the Windows kernel. It's boots up with the PC. Of course, the service is not started when it boots up, but one wrong line and everything can get wrong with your PC when it comes to antichits. And it's not only Vanguard, it comes to all of the antichits. I really hope that Windows on some point will not let any developers do that but yeah I think it's a small chance to... We got very sidetracked there just talking about...
Starting point is 01:04:53 Yeah yeah yeah Let's go back to the topic No it's all good, getting sidetracked is what always happens here I did want to ask you about like smartphone adoption as well in poland like yeah you said a lot more people buying like macOS systems now so is the same thing happening with iPhones or is that just way too expensive still yeah no no no it's something like when i was in high school, when someone had iPhone, it was like, oh, this rich kid has an iPhone. But right now it's more like, oh, you have an iPhone too? Great.
Starting point is 01:05:33 We can just connect with each other easily with iMessage. No, not anyone is using iMessage, to be honest, in Poland. Everyone is using iMessage, to be honest, in Poland. Everyone is using Messenger from Facebook. But yeah, it's still getting more popular in Poland. And on the other hand, Android is losing a good portion of the market due to iOS. And it's also, I think, because it's way simpler. People just like to have things working and iOS can have this. Android also can, but many companies just have this bloated Android experience. On iOS, you do not have this. And the market is growing for
Starting point is 01:06:28 the iOS and for Mac. It's dangerous territory because we can have another Windows situation. But it's growing right now. And we can do nothing to stop it, at least now, because I know that the market was growing really good for the iOS in Poland. But then the dollar went really, really weird situation when dollar was something like five zlotys in Poland. like five zlotys in Poland. It was really high price and then Apple decided to change their prices in Polish zlotys. It was like 1.5 more expensive after those changes. And when the dollar went down they didn't change their prices. So it was more expensive in Poland than it was in United States or any other country. And yeah, this was the moment
Starting point is 01:07:33 that not a lot of people were buying the Apple stuff. But right now it kind of went off because of the inflation and all the other stuff. And you are having almost the same prices. So yeah, almost nothing can stop Apple right now to grow in developing countries, I think. So one thing that we do here now is basically every single school here,
Starting point is 01:08:01 like laptops and tablets are like a big part of education has that started happening in poland as well or not yet uh i mean last year uh our party gave to all of the students laptops uh i don't know if this year they want to do this again because another party went through charge of the country. But they were trying to do something about the laptops. Not really good right now. Yeah, there was also this whole remote lessons, the remote teaching everyone when the COVID happened. But I know a lot of people that was during those classes, online classes,
Starting point is 01:08:55 they haven't learned a thing. They could just play their games online while this happened. And our government, government I think noticed that and they didn't really want this to be as long as possible. They wanted us to go back to school as when it was safe but also as fast as possible. So not really happening in poland right now at least uh they try to do something about this to have uh people using their laptops their tablets or whatever for education but it's not like they need to do this we are still uh more using books uh traditional books uh to learn
Starting point is 01:09:42 anything than anything other than that. I think there's a lot of value in both approaches. The problem you have if everybody's using laptops, and this is a problem that I've... I was luckily towards the tail end of it becoming a problem. Like, when I was in school school it was very much a mix of book work and then certain things we would do with laptops it's like hey we have to make a presentation and like talk about it uh if we're writing like a long essay we would do that on a computer but a lot of other stuff was still book work but i have um younger nephews and nieces
Starting point is 01:10:26 who are like you know like five to ten years old and they're in pretty much entirely doing stuff on tablets now and i worry for whether or not handwriting is gonna stick around like after like one or two more generations like it's it's as more like um as like more documentation like bills all of this stuff gets done entirely online there becomes less of a reason for people to need to handwrite and i don't know where that's going to go so i think there's still a lot of value in um the approach that poland has here but i do think there's also a lot of value in having like a device that makes it very easy to research topics as well like you can do a lot more with that than you can by getting people to like go to a library to find like answers to something you've got them to look for?
Starting point is 01:11:26 Yeah I think the same because I can't remember when I when there was a last time I tried to handwrite something. I think it wasn't as cool right now I don't have a need to do this and fortunately my little brother needs to do this. They don't have any laptop or tablet provided by the government. But when this... There was this one year when they tried to give their laptops to the people. There was a Windows laptop that they gave to them. So it was not the best solution i think because those laptops were
Starting point is 01:12:06 really underpowered uh at least some of them there was three types of laptops one of them was really underpowered using windows 11. so you know how it will end up in about two years they will need to replace those laptops it's just electronic trash that you will need to waste go and throw to the bin uh i think the books are better solution right now that because they are it's not like you can throw them out of the window after two years because, yeah, it's too slow to do anything on them. You can still learn from them after those two years. I don't really like the solution to have one tablet or laptop to have everything, to learn everything from this. or laptop to have everything, to learn everything from this. Especially because I know a lot of people that could probably break this. So if you are not using some closed-source Android modified version of your tablet
Starting point is 01:13:19 for your students, they will break it. On the other hand, when they have the book, what, they can write something on this book, but they can break it. It's that simple. People really break stuff really easily. Especially when there are little kids that are wondering how the world works. They try to do a lot of things i think now it's in a good state uh we are still learning a lot of things about the computers in poland because we have the information technology classes something like that uh of course uh it's kind of weird because my friend was learning pascal language for example in the school what year three years ago three years ago something like that and i was like what why are you learning pascal in your school but okay uh when i went to the uh school that was supposed to teach me something about the computers more directed to this,
Starting point is 01:14:28 I was learning C++ and JavaScript. So yeah, okay, it's up to date when it comes to the directed schools, but when it comes to the normal school, yeah, they're learning Pascal or C or something like that. But yeah, I mean, it works. They still get the idea how the software is written. It doesn't matter what language is it. It's the best of two
Starting point is 01:14:59 worlds, I would say, for now. I guess if you want to expand upon what computing education is like in poland because like we don't really have computer classes at school anymore like oh we like we everyone's just assumed that they like you and because all the classes are like very computer focused anyway like you kind of just work things out as you go sometimes we'll have like a dedicated programming class but a lot of schools don't have that a lot of schools it's no computing classes whatsoever yeah uh on the other hand in poland we still have those it classes
Starting point is 01:15:39 uh on almost all of the classes you will learn how to use Word or how to make presentation, but yeah, there are still some classes when you will get to know how to write something in a Pascal, for example, or in a C++ or something like that, to make you understand how coding works. So just to give you the idea, if you like it or if you don't like it, if you like it, then yeah, sure, you can go to the school that directs you about this. But if you don't like it, yeah, just pass this test, just write hello world and you're good to go. So schools are trying to encourage you, at least when it comes to the IT education, to encourage you to select if you like this or if you don't like this. And I think that's good to not have this overwhelming information about coding or anything else, but give you a sip, a taste of how it works. Yeah, and we still have those classes for sure i think that's a much
Starting point is 01:16:47 better approach than what we have yeah i know it sounds like there's a lot of things that you guys just i don't know whether it's just kind of adapted from things that have been done previously or were really heavily thought about but however things like this came about, um, I, I, I don't see an issue with the approach that's being done here. I, I think, I think it gives people a good idea about like what's out there and I guess lets them try things out without being completely locked into something. try things out without being completely locked into something yeah that's for sure uh i don't think that was something like that before uh a long time ago i think all all of this happened when the iron concert fell off uh and to be honest our education system is not the best system, of course. We do have a really bad situation in our education system. So, for example, when one party gets to the church, they change their history books to whatever the history
Starting point is 01:17:56 they want to give you. When the other party goes, they give you the other history that they want you to have. But when it comes to the typical classes about IT or something like that, I think it's really stable, at least, I would say. I would compare it to Windows, to be honest. When you have, of course, better options out there, but it's stable. It works. Right. better uh options out there but it's stable it works right the things where there's there's no i guess no debate about like that like there's no issue there i guess like the maths classes the computing classes things like that like it it does the job it might not be the best possible education you can get but it's like it's it's doing what it should be doing yeah it's teaching you what you should
Starting point is 01:18:48 know and whatever you want to do with it go ahead and do it yourself so basically it teaches you the basics about everything and if you want to learn about anything else you kind of are on your own so you need to go to the internet and learn more about something on your own so it was okay it was the same for me when I was on this directed school to the IT classes because we had a lot of classes about the computers. We had something called operating systems and we were just preparing to the exams. We were not learning anything. There was also a program that could teach us Linux, but on the other hand, our teacher wanted us to be prepared for the exams to pass them.
Starting point is 01:19:48 And we were just doing the exams over and over and over and over just to be able to pass them and not learning a lot of things. And it was for all of those classes, I think, except the programming. Programming was the one thing that was really really fun for me because we had those freedoms. So for example,
Starting point is 01:20:14 they would say to you, write a program that, I don't know, tells you something, whatever. But you could modify it. For example, when you gave to the teacher your program, you could also, I don't know, have more options. They wouldn't mind, at least in my school. They wouldn't mind if you tried to do something that you wanted to do uh and it was fun but on the all of the other classes it wasn't like that so basically it was just pass your exams and whatever do what you want right okay okay so i guess it's very much dependent on like who's
Starting point is 01:21:07 yeah who's who what who like what what the the teacher actually wants to like do with the class then i guess yeah yeah yeah that's true so i want to talk a bit more about um your channel and like i guess we can start like I think you like kind of briefly touched on it but like back in the introduction but like what is the goal of your channel because obviously like a Linux channel in Polish is not gonna appeal to every single person out there so why did you make the channel and what are you trying to do with it? why did you make the channel and what are you trying to do with it? Yeah, I'm trying to get the Gen Z or Gen Alpha, I don't know, try Linux at least. So basically all my videos are edited as dynamically as they can be just to make the viewer stick to it to the end. So, for example, heehee, funny meme, right now we will learn about something with Linux. With my last video, for example, I was talking about the Xorg and Wayland, but I tried to give them some comparison, some funny memes, so they would stick to the video, they would even by the mistake learn something new. Yeah,
Starting point is 01:22:36 it's hard to get the attention of the viewer with those new generations. I know it by myself because yeah, I'm Gen Z, hooray, hooray. I lose my attention really quickly. And when I edit my videos, I try to edit them to not lose my attention. So I press space, I watch my video. If I lose attention at any point, I press space, I watch my video. If I lose attention at any point, I'm going back to the drawing board. And I try to get as much the attention of those newer generation on my channel as it's possible. Because I know that there's another channel on the Polish internet that tries the same thing with the older generation. And I don't want to compete with this. I mean, okay, we have our separate community. And I want the younger community to try Linux,
Starting point is 01:23:36 to get a grip what does it look and how can they use it in their life. Because it's not like Linux is just an operating system and wow it's funny you can use it in your work to be to be honest because you can have Raspberry Pi for example you can have all of those lights configured using it you have you can have your network drive to not use, for example, iCloud or something like that. Linux is really fun to use, but you need to learn about it. And if you do not learn about it in a funny way, I think you won't learn about it when you are the younger generation, at least.
Starting point is 01:24:23 Because when you have a free time, you want to have a free time. You don't want to learn about something. You want to have fun. And I'm trying to teach, but also give them fun. Right. I think it's a good way to do it.
Starting point is 01:24:40 I know that I definitely... I would sit down and watch things that are not enjoyable at all. That most people probably would not want to sit down and watch, but I also know that I'm not the, uh, the norm in, uh, in that respect.
Starting point is 01:24:57 Um, most people won't sit down and watch like an hour long, like arch install video. But, um, I, I, like an hour long like arch install video but yeah um i i think trying to edit it in a way that gets the information across but still get like makes it enjoyable is is a really good way to do it and i am i am really not great at editing um i there's there's more stuff I need to do for sure. And I've been trying to do a lot more stuff recently as well. But, you know, seeing this definitely has given me some inspiration to actually do a little bit more than I'm currently doing. But also, Kdenlive.
Starting point is 01:25:39 Kdenlive. Yeah, Kdenlive is awful for editing, to be honest. I mean, it's doing their job, but it still lacks a lot of functions and the GUI is really basic. It's something that I would compare to Sony Vegas. It was not for me. I didn't really like the GUI of Sony Vegas or Adobe Premiere, I think. It had some similar GUI. I hate this.
Starting point is 01:26:08 But when it comes to the DaVinci Resolve, I edit my videos and it still takes a lot of time. I basically, when it comes to the first day, I post my videos on every Friday. When it comes to first day, I have everything recorded. I have everything ready to video edit my video. But it's still after my work, I sit down to the computer and I end video editing the movie about 11 p.m so i go out of the work at 5 p.m and
Starting point is 01:26:51 yeah it's a long time to edit even those four minute videos when you are trying to make it dynamic it's a hard thing to do when you have other job, I would say. Yeah, yeah. So that's what I'm talking and I'm trying to teach my viewers, that it's a hobby project, I can't do the videos more frequently because I also need my free time to experience the Linux. Yeah, no, that makes a lot of sense. So one thing I've noticed with, like, maybe this is a similar experience in Polish, but with Brazilian channels,
Starting point is 01:27:37 the viewers there are incredibly dedicated. Like, they're very supportive. They're like, someone is doing content specifically for us. This is so exciting. This is awesome. What is the response you get? Because I can't read your comments. There's a Google Translate thing and sometimes it works well enough. But like what has been the response you've had with your videos? Yeah, I noticed that a lot of users are watching my videos since the very beginning, and they are still watching them, they are still commenting this, but there's also a lot of comments that just, you know, saying something like, why did you use this distribution?
Starting point is 01:28:18 You should use the other distribution. And there's a lot of those comments, really a lot of those comments. Okay, I'm really grateful for them, but we need to stop the distro. Like, we are in the same team. Like, just use whatever you want. Okay, I'm saying that Pop!OS is the easiest way to play your video games on linux okay for me it is because you have the newest nvidia drivers installed already you have nice uh desktop environment that you can use but okay maybe you prefer something else it's not like i'm saying you use this for sure i'm saying you can try to use this because it's simple uh and yeah a lot of people understand this in my channel and a lot of people
Starting point is 01:29:13 uh have the uh i love them i love those people that are staying with me uh that's saying anything positively to me uh and there's also a lot of people that just, I don't know why, they're coming to my videos and saying, Windows is better, you should stop using Linux. And I'm like, okay, but why? They try to say something that makes their point, but when I answer to this, that's not true they are saying something like oh stop being so blinded and I'm really surprised that someone is protecting Windows like it's a company product they're getting you they're making money from you. Why do you protect them? Why do you want to use this? I mean, okay. It's good to know it doesn't matter if
Starting point is 01:30:16 it's in English or Polish you get the exact same kind of comments. Yeah. All of those sound very very similar to me Yeah, but Like you noticed are a little dedicated group of people that sticks to me with every video that I post so It's still like I have 13 30% of subscribed people that watch my videos and 70% that has not subscribed my channel. But most of the viewers I have are returning viewers. So they stick to my channel. They don't need the subscription on my channel, they stick to my channel.
Starting point is 01:31:00 So most of the time I have more views than I have subscriptions I've noticed but they are still the same viewers it's weird right like early on that tends to happen but it's like once a channel's been around for a while people naturally tend to drop
Starting point is 01:31:24 off and that number the like the subscribed and unsubscribed rate tends to like widen a lot so i'll be curious to see where that is in like a year or two from now because i remember mine very long uh very early on as well was in a similar sort of state but since then then things have shifted quite a bit but also I guess some of the stuff I talk about shifted quite a bit so I don't know that could also be some of it as well I don't
Starting point is 01:31:54 understand the YouTube metrics there's a lot of there's a lot of thought you can put into it and really spend a lot of time digging into it but I think if people are enjoying the content at the end of the day that's really the main thing that matters um yeah totally uh and i think that's really good uh to have this kind of uh opportunity to also earn on the hobby you have because uh
Starting point is 01:32:22 because of that you can for example just like, buy the Steam Deck and give your viewers more content about the things they want to see. Of course, I didn't earn that much money to just buy the Steam Deck out of it, but it was helpful to get some money to buy the Steam Deck to show my viewers uh how it works so i love the fact that you can earn on it but you can also give your viewers back the content from out of it it's basically just like donating in open source but they don't need to donate. They just need to watch your videos and you earn from it and you give them better content because of that.
Starting point is 01:33:09 So what are your long-term goals for the channel? Like, what do you want to do with this? I definitely want to have some kind of situation when I touched every important topic on Linux. So right now, I was talking about Xorg and Wayland that, yeah, of course, Wayland is a newer solution. And in the next video, I think I will try to touch the AUR that it's not safe for a new user just to install the EA and install everything from that. So I want to touch every topic about, major topic about Linux, and then when I will, let's
Starting point is 01:33:58 say, I don't know if this situation will ever come, because almost every day you get anything new from Linux and new major topics but if it would come to the end I would just record some news about new things that are happening in Linux community. It's a long-term solution of, because I really want those informations that you do not have in Polish right now. I tried to search anything in Polish about XRoc and Wayland. There was a couple of videos that were trying to give you the information about that, but they were really boring, to be honest. I couldn't get my attention in those videos. And I'm trying to, I think, translate,
Starting point is 01:34:53 port those videos to new generations. And when I will end this, I will at least try to have more time for giving my viewers information about news that are happening in Linux community. Right now, of course, it's impossible because I want to touch a lot of topics that are happening. And I want also to have those freedom about posting some topics that are lighter than others. So, for example, okay, can you use Steam Deck as your PC? It's not really important as a Linux user,
Starting point is 01:35:38 but it's entertaining for me and can be entertaining for the viewer. So when I have the interesting, at least for me, interesting idea idea i tried to make it real and well yeah just just something like that yeah i don't want a lot of i was gonna say so there was a lot of just general topics to cover out there and there's so much stuff out there i would love to talk about as well like you can you can very easily get yourself into like one little part of linux and still have just tons of things to talk about like i've i've barely touched on like audio subsystems and i've not really done any server related stuff and i've not really talked about much of gaming stuff on my channel either so i i'm sure i'm sure's going to be a lot of stuff out there before you run out of things to talk about.
Starting point is 01:36:30 Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking about. And of course, I also want to have the knowledge that I'm creating something about. So for example, right now, in the future, for sure, there will be video about audio servers. So the Pulse Audio, the Pipewire, but right now I do not have a comprehensive information in my head about those.
Starting point is 01:36:55 I know they exist, I know that I'm using Pulse Audio... Pipewire, I'm using Pipewire. But I don't know the real difference if they can go together, how you can use them together. And when I will be getting those information, I will teach the other people about this, but I need to be sure about the thing that I'm trying to give to my viewers right so it's not like okay today we will talk about Pulse Audio and Fipo Air no I don't know a cute portion of the information about that I need the portion of the information about that to talk about this and to edit the video accordingly to this. And that's why I think there's a long road for me about the channel and it won't end up in a
Starting point is 01:37:53 spot when I will get not too many information. Yeah, yeah, I think something like that. Awesome, you just want to get more familiar with using linux before you get into some of these more complex topics yeah that's uh that's also the fact i talked about this on my first video so i want to have those basic informations on my channel before i get to the more complex stuff. So for example, I really, really want to have the video about single GPU pass-through for having the possibility to have Windows, but not to dual boot it. But I know that I haven't touched the topic about virtual machines.
Starting point is 01:38:46 And when I do not touch this topic, and I just tell my viewers to do the commands from the terminal, they will end up just like I with the openSUSE tumbleweed. I need to touch those basic topics before I will end up with something more complex. I think it's a good way to approach it. Because when you're doing content in English, you can kind of assume that someone has that background knowledge anyway.
Starting point is 01:39:20 Because there's all these other videos out there. There's all of these other resources out there. Pretty much anything anything you want to talk about unless it's something that's basically just happening there's usually some other coverage of it as well but i guess if your goal is to make sure this coverage is available in polish and there's not you said there was another channel out there but a lot of things i imagine they probably haven't covered either. So you can't really assume that that information actually is out there in Polish. Yeah, that's true. I do not see a lot of information in Polish that I would gather from your channel, from other Linux channels.
Starting point is 01:40:02 And I want to cover them on my channel to be as simple as possible to the viewer so you've tried out both I should have asked this earlier but you've tried out both KDE and GNOME, where do you find the better Polish
Starting point is 01:40:20 translation to be right now? or is it basically just good enough on both of them i think it's good enough for both of them but gnome is much simpler desktop so you don't need the the localization to be perfect because all of the things that you do on the gnome are basically visual. On the KDE more stuff is text-based. So it's the problem that you need to have the localization on KDE Plasma. You can look at the icon and assume what does it do. You don't need the full localization. But yeah, I've tried both of them. Unfortunately, I can't really tell which of them have better localization. I know that GNOME is better because you don't need the full localization. I can't tell which of them have better localization
Starting point is 01:41:19 because I use my system in English because I really hate when I use something in Polish and then out of nowhere I see something in English my brain just stops in those situations that actually makes a lot of sense yeah yeah I can see that actually being, like, if you're dealing with languages where there is, like, a completely different character set, you can put your mind into two very different thought patterns. Like, if you're Korean, for example, and you run your system in Korean, and there's a bit that shows up in English,
Starting point is 01:41:59 like, you very clearly know it's not Korean. Like, you can switch that in your head very easily, but obviously Polish has characters that don't get used in English but a lot of like the rest of it is all just the same alphabet so yeah you might think twice for a second like wait what language am I supposed to read this in yeah that's the problem that I encounter when I'm working on Polish localization system. So I do not really like to use Polish localization on anything. On Android I haven't used Polish localization also because there are also things that are not localized perfectly on android i think uh i think those are getting better but when i used android uh there was those things so i changed it to english
Starting point is 01:42:56 when i use ios i use english just because i was used to it to use english so for me it's something like uh okay i got used to using english because i know the localization is not perfect but yeah yeah just like you said when the localization is not perfect your brain just stops uh and it's hard right right i think i don't know i'm i i am only competent at english and some might argue i'm not good at that so i can't really comment on that yeah i i'm trying i'm trying to learn another language but um you know that's a that's a lot harder when you're an adult language do you do you want to learn? I'm slowly working on Japanese. Oh. But doing this as an adult is a much bigger problem than doing so as a child.
Starting point is 01:43:53 Yeah, I was trying to learn Japanese too. After learning Hiragana, I just stopped because it's so hard to learn all of those characters. Maybe when I was a kid a kid yeah it would be easier okay do not sidetrack so much from the topic well as a kid as like if you're trying to learn how to play a game and you don't know english yet like you're gonna force yourself to learn something because you want to play the game even if you don't understand everything that's going on you're going to you're gonna like sort of guess around the interface and somehow make your way through it and actually manage to do so yeah yeah to be honest i remember that when i was a little, very little child something about 4 years I was having NES
Starting point is 01:44:47 but it was not NES the free market just opened in Poland and we were having a Chinese version of NES from Chinese market everything was in Chinese of course and every game that you
Starting point is 01:45:04 had was in Chinese of course and every game that you had was in Chinese but I think I don't remember anything from Chinese so you need to have the knowledge about the alphabet at least to learn something but it was weird having
Starting point is 01:45:26 chinese on your game and you don't know how to start the game you just boot the game and try every option where is the start even as the child it was weird and then uh when you saw that all the games that you have on the PC are in English, you can just read start, start, start, options, options, then your brain would just somehow connect those words in Polish. And it was easier because of the alphabet. And people, I think, prefer English rather than Russian, for example, after the Iron Curtain fell off, even though Russian is way closer to Polish language. So, for example, we have a lot of words that are similar, but the alphabet is totally different.
Starting point is 01:46:23 They use Cyrillic and we use the normal in a quote mark alphabet and Polish people prefer English because of that I think hmm well I guess it's also just if if you want to experience like what's happening in like english media because that's the majority of media out there like you kind of you kind of have to um and if you're if you're gonna like even if you start using windows like once you start interacting with the internet you're very quickly going to start coming across like english sites as well so you're very quickly gonna start coming across like English sites as well so you're kind of forced to interact with it in some way whether like whereas you can kind of like you don't you know you're not gonna be like accidentally
Starting point is 01:47:20 coming across Russian stuff in that same way, I guess. Yeah, for sure not in the same scale. Yeah, definitely not the same scale, for sure. Yeah, you do have Russian sites, so for example, VK or something like that, the Russian equivalent of Facebook. Almost no one uses this in
Starting point is 01:47:40 Poland. We had our Polish equivalent on Facebook back then. It died right now, but it was something like Polish equivalent of Facebook. And we had a lot of Polish equivalents of English sites. So, for example, we have Amazon that you can order everything from the Amazon. They will ship to you. We have Allegro in Poland. everything from the Amazon, they will ship to you. We have Allegro in Poland. So it's the same thing,
Starting point is 01:48:16 but in Polish language and in Poland. So they just ship it from Poland to Poland. Or dropshipping, of course. But yeah, we do have a lot of equivalents that was in English, in our Polish internet, at least. So it is not like you need to learn English anymore. And you were never, to be honest, if you are not a gamer or if you do not like the computers. So if you are a standard user, yeah, you basically have a lot of equivalents okay okay but like if you once you start coming across things like youtube i guess then youtube's gonna recommend you some english content eventually like no matter what you try to do it's gonna happen yeah yeah that's sure uh the same way tiktoks recommends you the polish stuff sometimes so yeah sometimes uh youtube will recommend you the english stuff but uh right now uh
Starting point is 01:49:14 i don't know how the uh ai works they learn how much you use uh language in your videos so right right how like what languages you are using I guess nowadays it's very different like it's like especially back in like early YouTube early YouTube just would recommend you random things that didn't make any sense yeah they had division by the country I think so it was like trending in Poland trending in the other country but yeah it was i think so it was like trending in poland trending in the other country but yeah it was just like that it was random things right now it's more complicated uh my friend that cannot really speak english uh have only polish recommendations on youtube site so YouTube site. So it's weird but yeah, almost everything other than those YouTube, TikTok
Starting point is 01:50:08 things have Polish equivalents in Polish sites and you are not really in need of using anything other than that. Of course, when it comes to for example Allegro, I first check everything on Allegro and then I go to Amazon to see if the prices are cheaper. But almost no one does that because they are used to having Allegro and just working for them. Right, right. So the same thing with Windows. Right. So a lot of people are just like,'re accustomed to the the polish equivalents they're accustomed to windows and there's not really a need to change yeah yeah that's a problem
Starting point is 01:50:55 yeah i can see that being a um a bit of a a challenge to overcome. But hey, I guess if you can put videos out in Polish and at least convince some people, that's better than nothing. Yeah, almost every month, I'm trying to see the Linux market in Poland. You're the entire reason it changed. I'm trying to be the reason to change at least those one percent please one percent it would be so much uh for me to have those one percent but right now of course it's not uh getting higher i have the like you said dedicated viewers that are coming to my
Starting point is 01:51:45 channel and i love them uh but i'm still trying to get those new uh viewers new people to come to linux and i also have my discord server for the channel and i noticed that a lot of people on this server are using windows so basically basically, they are interested in Linux, but they are not still convinced to use it. And I'm trying to convince them to use Linux. Well, hopefully that goes well for you. Hopefully you get your 1%. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:52:22 I mean, we have 2% right now in Polish, in Poland using Linux but I want to make this free. It is my goal to make the market share of Linux in Poland to reach those 3%. It's a very... it's a small goal but hey, it's a very uh it's a it's a small goal but i hey it's something yeah i mean it's really hard to convince people to change yeah yeah i i i have absolutely no doubt that it's uh it's gonna be an uphill battle that's for sure yeah but on the other, when I showed my friend my video, the first video, they at least tried and installed Ubuntu, unfortunately, and they didn't like the Ubuntu and snaps, so they went back to Windows. I tried to warn them, but I mean, I'm trying at least. One of the things you brought up about NVIDIA drivers,
Starting point is 01:53:25 I think within like two, maybe like one or two major Ubuntu releases, I think by then the NVIDIA driver situation is pretty much going to be ironed out. Because right now we're in this state where the rolling releases have the new drivers that work well on Wayland, but then like Ubuntu, it still have the new drivers that work well on wayland but then like ubuntu it
Starting point is 01:53:46 still has the old drivers and like people try out ubuntu they think linux sucks they try out popwise like oh this works great but they don't make the connection that it's not the distro it's just ubuntu shipping really out of date packages in places that really really matter and i i'm gonna be so happy when all of the gpu stuff is actually resolved and we don't have to think about anymore yeah me too to be honest uh i mean i understand why ubuntu does that, because when they are a distro that ships only two versions per year, you do not need to worry about the stability, because everything that you are shipping is tested, is stable. People are able to do things that you want them to do things. But on the other hand, we have the situation when Nvidia magically thinks, yeah, we will support Wayland in the new release. And your users are sticking to old version that is not supporting it. It's really hard to have those lines blurred like Pop!OS when they have those
Starting point is 01:55:06 old packages that Ubuntu have but the newest package for the NVIDIA driver for example but yeah I'm really looking to the moment when we will have the NVIDIA drivers on Ubuntu on all of those resolved
Starting point is 01:55:22 to be to have the Wayland working. Then I'm sure we're going to run across some other problem that everyone's waiting to get resolved. Because it's always current year plus one is the year of Linux desktop.
Starting point is 01:55:40 Well, this has been a fun episode. I hope people learned something from it. And unless there's anything else that you have to say, I guess we can sign off here. Yeah, to be honest, I was really enjoying it. And I really hope that people that are watching this will stick to Linux as long as possible
Starting point is 01:56:00 to make our community grow as much as possible to have the advantage that the developers do not notice us when we have our community we have the uh the development's uh interest so please just subscribe to this channel that you are watching on uh and all i can say is what I'm saying on my channel so if you like this video leave a like and subscribe to be on time and log out. Let people know where they can find your channel, will we actually sign off? Why not?
Starting point is 01:56:45 Wait, can you repeat? Because I was kind of off right now. Let people know your channel name, where they can find you. It's Linux Objectivne. So I think you will be able to. OK, it will be hard to find it. Yeah. So thank you very much uh again about this uh all of this and i really enjoyed the conversation i really learned new new things
Starting point is 01:57:17 i learned new things uh and i think you also learned a lot of new things. Yeah, I definitely learned quite a bit. I had no idea about the state of education in Poland. I had no idea that people, like most of the time, had at least like basic English literacy. Yeah. Albeit some people more so than others. Yeah, but almost everyone have basic. I hope you others. Yeah, but at least everyone has a basic. I hope you enjoyed it.
Starting point is 01:57:49 Yeah, yeah. We keep talking over each other about... The delay on Discord can be a problem sometimes. Luckily, it hadn't been a big problem during the main part of this. So I'm going to do my outro, and then we can actually end the episode. So if you like this uh
Starting point is 01:58:05 go like the video all that fun stuff if you want to see my main channel stuff that is on Brody Robertson I've got my gaming channel Brody on Games there is the react channel Brody Robertson reacts I upload there I don't know whenever just check it out it's whatever content
Starting point is 01:58:21 um if you want to see the video version of this and you're listening to the audio version you can find it on tech over t on YouTube if you want to see the video version of this and you're listening to the audio version you can find it on tech over t on youtube if you want to find the audio release there is an rss feed it'll be on pretty much every podcast app so um yeah there you go i'll give you the final word how do you want to sign us off you kind of did it already but um you know what um do a sign out in polish i don't i don't know what you're gonna say so please don't say something Właśnie to zrobiłeś, ale... Wiesz co? Zaznaczmy się w polsku. Nie wiem co powiesz, więc nie mów coś złego. podobał się wam ten filmik, zostawcie łapkę w górę i subskrybcie na tym kanale, żeby być na bieżąco.
Starting point is 01:59:04 Ja się z wami żegnam. Log out. Perfect.

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