Tech Over Tea - The Golden Age Of Gaming On Linux | Liam Dawe
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Well, the game's called The Day Before, but they delayed it.
And I'm sure it was like the day before they were going to release a trailer.
Then they cancelled releasing the trailer because there was a trademark dispute on their name,
which got it removed from Steam.
It's now hidden on Steam.
So for some reason that made them not show their trailer.
But then they went back on that and showed the trailer.
And it's literally 10 minutes of a character walking around.
Yep.
Yep.
And, yeah, I don't get the hype over it.
I mean, it's just another really bland and generic-looking
post-apocalypse zombie survival thing.
And yet you've got sites like IGN constantlying on about it it's like they're obviously
been paid oh without doubt yeah something like that yeah well i i started off the recording
because i i wanted to capture that i was just gonna use a sound check and then you just kept
going um uh i'm gonna stop for just a moment And we'll get back to that Hi
That start was kind of unplanned
Welcome back to the show Liam
How's it going?
Yeah good thanks
It's episode 154
I think
Doesn't matter
No one pays attention to the number
How's it going Mr. Nobody
Invite you to do collabs
You're like the only person Who ever invites me on something Uh, how's it going, Mr. Nobody invites you to do collabs?
You're like the only person who ever invites me on something.
It's funny.
Just gotta, you know, put out more tweets being like,
someone invite me to do something.
And then maybe, you know, maybe someone will bite then.
Yeah, I mean, I'm always happy to do stuff.
It's just finding time to do it in between everything else.
That's totally fair.
Well, it's two in the morning for me.
So, you know, I can find time to do things.
As much as I probably shouldn't, you know, be recording at two in the morning.
But it's fine.
We're here anyway.
We'll just see how I'm feeling an hour from now.
I feel fine right now,
but usually what happens is it just goes,
and then I start being delusional halfway through,
which is where it gets fun.
Two o'clock in the morning,
it's pretty standard times for what we do, isn't it?
Oh, pretty much.
Look, I try to get to sleep at like a reasonable, you midnight 12 30 at like the latest but you know
sometimes things happen and you just keep going and going and going
yeah sounds familiar i mean i've jumped out of bed at midnight before to get something done so
yeah but you've like we talked about that last time like you write
like way too many uh way too many articles in gaming on linux like i i don't even know how
many you do a day i know you were saying last time it's not like you know that much work that
goes into them but even so the fact that just so many go up it still remains impressive to me yeah it's it's more the video side nowadays it takes a lot
of time right right like because i think i'm just about to hit 33 000 on youtube now and that's
mostly only over the last one year oh wow because yeah like before the Steam Deck released, I pretty much mostly ignored YouTube.
Like I wasn't bothered about it.
We did a bit on Twitch, but I've never been a big fan of live streaming.
It's really taxing on you.
Yeah.
But ever since the Steam Deck is out, yeah.
I mean, it's practically all I do on the YouTube
because, well, you put up a Linux gaming video on desktop and nobody watches it.
So it's just this pointless.
Whereas you put one about the Steam Deck talking about, like, could be anything.
You know, the views are like through the roof.
Look, all you need now is some second device to become popular running Linux.
Like, I did see about, like, the Aya Neo OS, which
is, like, a Linux-based thing that's
happening at some point.
That's what you need to
make things really pop off. Not just
the Steam Deck. You need more than one thing
to talk about. I'm honestly surprised
that people still care so much about Steam
Deck content, though. Like,
I'm not
surprised the device became popular.
I'm just surprised that it sort of stayed as a thing
that people are still excited for things to happen.
Yeah, well, I see it a similar way
as you see any kind of PC gaming,
anything dedicated to Xbox, PlayStation, Switch, and so on. It's once you become any kind of pc gaming anything dedicated to xbox playstation switch and so on
it's it's once you become a fan of something you want to go out there and watch and find more
things on it and i think that's just stayed and i mean the deck's clearly popular i mean we learned
i think it was around october last year that it sold like a million and only just recently they've expanded into asia so i mean
that that's a huge area and a lot of people and they love their handhelds so i mean it's only
going to keep growing yeah and i uh i'm still waiting for them to you know offer sales in
australia just let me give you money val and. Look, I know I can, like, you
know, parcel forwarding,
import, all that stuff, but Valve, just
strike a deal with
somebody. I know there are rumours,
I think like last year or something
about discussions with EB Games,
but nothing's
happened on that front. There's no
news about a possible Australia
release. So, all of this stuff's
happening all of this cool stuff with the steam deck all of these cool accessories coming out
and i'm just sitting here being like
okay valve something anything please yeah i've i imagine they're gonna release some more regions
officially this year.
I mean, they kind of have to at this point because it's clearly got staying power.
It's clearly popular.
They're going to want to expand it as much as they can now.
No, I totally get it being an issue early on with, you know, the whole chip shortage, all that.
I do kind of wish they'd at least given some indication about what was happening in other regions even if at that time you weren't able to buy it was just like okay we plan to expand at this point like a
an expansion roadmap um but then yeah i don't expect anything like that from no not from valve
absolutely not um look it's a nice dream but yeah or look the other option right is open up like
have some sort of deal in the works and open up pre-orders and have the pre-orders be delivered
like two or three years later just anything at all yeah they're still even though they're a lot
more chatty nowadays like they've got a lot better at their communication they're still, even though they're a lot more chatty nowadays, like they've got a lot better at their communication.
They're still a very closed company and they're not just going to give out
stuff like that.
But I would be very surprised in the next six,
even just this next six months,
if they haven't announced the least one more region.
Where are they selling now?
So you've got the Asia regions,
you've got us,
is it all of europe or is it
how does how does that work i think it is most of europe yes you've got the us
it's not all of your it's all of the european union uh and the uk as well which is yeah um
which is yeah and
I don't think they do
any of like
I think it's just European Union
for Europe I don't think there's anything outside
of that segment I could be wrong though
someone will probably correct me
it's limited
yeah yeah yeah there's still a lot of places
where they could expand to
I don't know
where they would go to next what don't know where they would go
to next. Like, what seems like the next
logical expansion point?
That's not something
I would really understand. I mean, it would
depend on, I guess,
really, like, the country's size
more than anything, and
what sort of things they would
buy. I mean, Valve, valve i'm sure have that kind of
research oh absolutely i would like the next one to be australia but it's not going to be
well i i've i've already uh i'm already accepting the fact that there's probably not going to be
any announcement for australia until a steam deck 2 happens That's probably what's going to happen.
I think this year,
before they announced
anything like that, in fact,
I'm kind of expecting
their new VR headset to come before
that, before any more regions
for the Steam Deck. I reckon
I think it's codenamed the
Deckard.
But that one
actually sounds quite exciting for a couple of
reasons as well though, not just because
it's going to have, well if go
by the patents, a wireless
mode, but it's going to be built
on Linux as well because you know what's going to
be running that wireless mode and in the patents
I'm sure it mentions directly
Linux as well so
and you look at um game scope the
the thing that basically controls all the displaying in gaming mode on the steam deck
and you can use it on desktop as well that's had some vr stuff added to it as well so it's like
i've not used vr in quite a while the last the last vr experience i had was with a
vive yeah i think it was a vive a couple of years back i don't even know what the state of vr is
like at this point or even what the state really is on uh specifically on linux like what not good not good okay i mean i've my valve index is down there beside me and
it's just there's so many problems because it's like they released it and they do update steam
vr and stuff a fair bit but it's like when they put it out, they didn't really bother with the Linux side of it all that much really ever.
And you can understand it now that the Steam Deck's out
because a huge amount of just their complete hardware focus
just shifted over to that.
And because it's obviously massively more popular than VR anyway,
well, it doesn't take a genius to know why they're focusing on that but
from all the leaks and patents and stuff that we've seen of the deckyard i mean
i think it's going to be quite exciting as long as it's not as expensive as the index was that
was a big barrier i think how much was the index because the index is still a thousand pounds for the full kit uh geez that okay and you've got to
bear in mind even when it was released a bunch of like the tech like the screens in it was like
years behind and like now you see all the different types of screens and screen technology coming out
and it's it needs an upgrade, especially at that price.
It's just kind of ridiculous now, really.
Yeah, I'm looking at this really.
How much did it cost to get one here?
It's $2,000.
Yeah.
It's a big problem.
It's a really big problem, because VR is amazing,
because I played through and completed Half-Life Alyx.
And that was one of my top five all-time gaming experiences in my entire life.
It was just absolutely wild. Amazing.
And it wasn't just a showcase of VR.
It was a showcase of how good Valve can be at making games as well.
Which everybody knows, but it was like their first proper full story game in a long time.
Wait, what was the last game before that Valve actually released?
Well, they also did Dota Underlords, which...
What the hell is Dota Underlords?
So, the auto chess became really popular.
Oh, right.
And so Valve decided to jump in on that.
They made Dota Underlords because, you know,
they don't want to jump in on the new IP for some reason.
And that sort of started popular,
and then it just completely dropped off
really fast and they just haven't bothered
with it again and I think before that
the last one was probably Artifact
their completely failed card game
so they haven't
exactly had a lot
of luck really when it comes to games
yeah I wonder why Valve doesn't make
games anymore
it's a mystery. Although they've
had loads of leaks lately, though,
of, like, lots of old builds
of their games.
A lot of game
companies have that. I've seen the
the, uh, what is it?
The rebuild project for
Duke Nukem. That's
been a really cool project to follow.
Yeah, yeah.
I've watched a bit of that, and so one of the videos
they released, one of their early trailers, did look
pretty good.
I never really get the excitement
behind these early releases
though, because it's like,
well, the finished product's already out and amazing,
so why do you care about what came before?
I get it with a lot of games. With
Duke Nukem, it's a bit
different because the finished game was never really the same game yeah yeah in that in that
case i i can understand that but not for the valve games like early prototypes of like left
for dead and portal and stuff it's like the games are amazing so i think it's neat as like a historical piece but like you know people are
always going to be like easter egg hunting and games things like that so seeing what a game was
like at some point it's it's neat if nothing else you can sort of see how a game evolves and
got to the point where it became that finished product.
Yeah, I was definitely more interested in... There was a documentary that was done
that showed off some cancelled games
that were being made,
and that was really cool.
I think it was Ravenholm
was going to be another Half-Life game,
and that looked really interesting.
So if anybody hasn't seen that, go and check it.
I...
What if I tell you I've never actually played Half-Life?
That's...
Why?
I've been meaning to for so long.
It's been sitting in my Steam library for years,
and I've just never gotten around to actually playing it.
Disappointed in you, man.
I will play it at some point.
In all seriousness, though, the original is good,
but if you are going to jump into it,
you definitely want to get Black Mesa instead,
which was the you know third party
developer took the original and sort of remade it kept the story essence and so on but it actually
looks good by sort of modern standards as well yeah which is another really cool thing that
valve do is letting people make things like that i still find that amazing i was gonna say
i remember it coming out a few years ago it
came out in 2015 this is a bit more than a few years ago at this point really yeah no
wait no wait it was no 2020 wait what what is this it was it was in like early access oh that
makes sense okay okay yeah my bad it was only released in fall in 2020.
Okay.
Wikipedia is lying to me.
Cool.
The Steam page has the actual date, March 2020.
Okay.
So it definitely was a few years back then, sure.
But I do remember hearing about it way earlier.
So that's, I guess that's why that threw me off as well.
I will play it at as well. I will
play it at some point. I'll probably end up streaming it at some
point, just because people have been asking me
to play it for a while. There's a lot of
a lot of, like,
you know, classic series that I
never really got a chance
to play when I was younger.
Right now, I'm streaming
God of War 1, like the original
PS2 God of War.
The really originals, right, okay.
I thought you meant the new, like, 2018 God of War,
which I only just finished myself.
I'll be playing that as well, but...
Yeah, like, I've only recently played Devil May Cry as well,
because I didn't really get that many games
as a kid, so there's a lot of these PS2 games and older games that I just never got a chance
to play.
Ooh, what do you have there?
That's the good thing about these.
Mmm!
I get to make you very jealous again.
Ooh, you got the Switch skin for it.
Oh yeah, so, Debrand sent me the Switch skin for it. Oh, yeah, so...
DeBrand sent me
the Switch skin, so
the only bits left on it
are the left and right.
Because the problem
with doing skins,
like, I don't know if I can really
show you right now, because I've got
this case on it from
DeBrand as well this is this
is the kill switch case that they had to redesign because they made it with magnets which is really
really bad but um oh wow just putting on this case has ruined it but um i don't you can see
like a piece of the corners gone up there but the the skins are really really
hard to to get around corners properly because you end up with like lots of bumps yep that you
can try and rub them out but it's really difficult or you get like air bubbles and you have to try
and get them out and I had the skin all across the back of it, and they've got like a fuzzy Nintendo logo
that they've intentionally blurred on the skin as well,
which is quite funny.
But you've got to heat it up,
so you need a hairdryer to put the skin on properly
because you have to heat, is it vinyl?
I think it's vinyl.
Whatever it is, yeah.
To then smooth it down properly.
And I noticed there was bubbles on the back
after I took the picture and posted it everywhere. So then I to take it off but if you leave it too long the actual like
adhesive comes away from the vinyl and then it's ruined so the only bits left on this one now
unfortunately but it still looks pretty cool in here though it does look pretty cool yeah
look we could see you oh wow that's a massive delay. Jesus.
Yeah, but getting back to the point that playing classic games,
like I was the same as you.
I had basically nothing when I was a kid.
But sitting there in bed, you know,
playing like a PlayStation Classic or something or a Nintendo Classic.
You're sat there and it's really good. You should get one.
Oh wait, you can't.
I'll get myself an Aya Neo.
Yeah, actually
you could probably buy one
from one of these different companies
to be fair. Because I'm sure
they all ship around the world.
Surely.
Aya Neo. to be fair. Because I'm sure they all ship around the world. Surely. Surely. Oh, yeah, they literally...
Okay, yeah, they are selling,
but it's also $2,100 to get this one, at least.
See, that's one of the major problems with all these...
Well...
Other journalists like to call them Steam Deck Killers.
And they keep doing this with devices that only do streaming as well.
And they're calling it Steam Deck Killer.
And it's like, well, it's not.
It's either double the freaking price
or it only does streaming.
It's not killing anything apart from,
well, it's going to make a hole in your wallet
and you're going to forget about it
after a couple of months.
Look, Steam Deck,
I get the sort of marketing term,
the article title, but like, like yeah that's what it is like it's
good for the clicks i guess for the first couple but yeah when when you see how ridiculously priced
that is i think it's going to turn away sort of the vast majority of people. I think the streaming is probably less of an issue than the price.
I don't think there's going to be anything
that can possibly compete with Valve on the pricing.
Just because Valve can do what traditional game consoles do,
where they can sell at a loss or at production cost,
which no one else can do that
because they will just go out of business.
The other major problem that I have with companies,
and I'm not being specific to any of them,
this covers all of them,
like Aya Neo, GPD, 1X Player,
there's a couple more.
They keep producing these handhelds which now
some of them do have more powerful internals than the steam deck in some ways but the deck is kind
of unique in the way it uses the components that it still can keep the performance level pretty
pretty close but they make these devices and then within a couple months like they're announcing
their next one and crowdfunding that and then they keep doing that because obviously they don't
have the level of sales that someone like valve will with the steam deck and so my biggest problem
with anyone buying from there is like what kind of long-term support are you expecting when after
you buy it a couple months after they've moved on to their next one well especially which i think will be good when steam os3 actually
releases to the public so these other device makers can use it and like the support button
is is much more shared then because well you've got all the people in the open source community
hacking away on drivers and things all the time.
And all the people will have to do is just update SteamOS to the next one
and keep their devices going.
But that's a long argument about open source and companies.
I don't know what the deal would be.
I don't know if Valve has any specifics for people using that with devices
they're shipping i've not looked at licensing i don't know if there's anything special with
their distro if that's i'm sure that they've probably got some documentation somewhere about
whether you can sell a device using cmos um they have already said um in previous interviews and things um that one of the reasons
that they are you know looking forward to actually releasing steam os 3 is so that other people can
use it and that includes you know other hardware vendors because it's it's another interesting thing
about how valve operates that they're not seeing the likes of GPD and A&E and so on as
competitors because
they're not.
They're going to be on Steam anyway.
Yeah, if they can get them as well
to install SteamOS
then it's
just more money for Valve.
Either way, if they don't install SteamOS,
everyone's going to buy
the games from Epic and Ubisoft? No.
They're going to want to be on steam because that's that's where their games are
yep but the benefit obviously of steam os compared with something like windows is
the way they've made it and the way they've made the steam deck ui and all the built-in extra
controls it's just it's all they've already made for it. Whereas with Windows, I've seen the kind of tweaks
that people keep saying they have to do
to get it to be workable properly
on something like Steam Deck.
And frankly, it just sounds like a big pain in the ass.
Every time I see any announcement about
like some Steam Deck update,
some Steam Deck feature, anything like that,
there is someone in the comment section
asking about better
Windows drivers every
single time.
And every time I see an update as
well, there's complaints. I see it
on my own channel of people like, it broke my
dual boot again. And it's like, well,
at no point has Valve said it's supported.
They made it specifically clear.
They've given out the drivers as
is, and that's it.
And it's actually, that's another point that's quite interesting. If you look at the
Steam hardware survey, when you look at the amount that's actually running SteamOS, you see it
basically matches to the AMD's custom GPU in the hardware survey.
And you can basically see that practically no one uses Windows on it.
It does.
So even though it might, it's one of those things, again,
you see a lot of these comments on Reddit and across YouTube and so on
about people about talking about using Windows on it.
But the stats already show for once they're in a minority on something.
It's quite fun.
Well, like, I don't doubt there are people doing it.
Like, I'm sure those people who say they're using Windows
or trying to use Windows are doing it.
But you've got this perfectly...
Like, you're going to have a worse experience using Windows,
like, maybe you're gonna have better game compatibility, but you lose out on the SteamOS
experience, you lose out on this thing that just works out of the box, it's all of this extra effort
to not really get that much benefit, like, there are, The list of games that don't work under Linux and under SteamOS at this point is shrinking every single day
I'm I think that's the thing that I'm most impressed about how many games that I had never expected
Like not just working under Linux
Developers actively saying we are going to make sure this works on the Steam Deck.
We have this update,
we have this version, it works on the Steam Deck.
Like, that's awesome.
It is causing issues in certain
cases where the game works on the
Steam Deck and not on Linux.
But, that's
a whole separate issue.
Yeah, that was one recently.
It was forespokenoken it had something that they
put in there specifically for steam deck but the way they did it meant it wouldn't run on a normal
linux desktop or laptop but you could get around it by setting steam deck equals one in the launch
options for the game and then it would go oh you, you're playing on the Steam Deck, I'll let you in now.
But then you also have the likes of Ubisoft,
who recently, they updated Ubisoft Connect,
and when they did it,
it broke basically all of their games that use Ubisoft Connect on Steam Deck
and Linux desktop.
But it just goes to show how reactive
and Valve are being on the support.
When, what was it, within a day,
they had it fixed.
It was kind of amazing.
But again, with Ubisoft,
it's about the testing.
They released The Division 2
amongst quite a few of their other games
on Steam,
because they're coming back to Steam now.
And I believe it was here again within one day.
Even Ubisoft directly had fixed the Division 2
with the anti-cheat side to have it work.
And it's amazing to see it's such a different world now
that you've got publishers like Ubisoft now going,
oh, it's not working?
Okay, we'll actually fix it.
Mm-hmm.
What?
Like, two years ago, no,
you wouldn't have seen anything even remotely similar.
Yeah, I remember there were a lot of games,
I think this was when the Steam Deck was first announced,
like, before it was released.
There were a couple of games I
was looking at where people went into the forums like, hey guys, Steam Deck's
coming out soon, is this game gonna work under Linux? Dead silence. All of like 10,
20 pages of comments about it, dead silence. Not a single comment from the developers. Steam Deck
comes out. Hey, look.
Guys, we've always loved Linux.
We can make
like...
See, I see
the opposite end of this because
I speak to developers
and publishers
hundreds per week. And sometimes
in thousands even. just because there's so
many games sure things happening in the background and a lot of them are saying things like yeah we
support the steam deck but we have no support of linux and it's like a few times just for fun to
you know have a little chuckle to myself i'll'll reply and say, but the Steam Deck runs Linux.
So what do you mean?
What level of support are you meaning here?
Are you testing it?
Are you just relying on Proton?
Have you even clicked play on it?
It's just weird now that we've gone from absolutely no Linux support at all to developers and publishers now emailing me
directly like, hey, check this out.
We've tested it's working on Steam Deck.
Okay, cool. Anything about Linux desktop?
No, sorry, we don't support Linux.
Surely by now
you should know that it runs on Linux.
But I get what they're saying.
It's a single device and that's what they're testing.
And that's one thing that we need to get over as well at some point i think which sorry uh i was gonna say i'm hoping that the steam os release will help with stuff like that
as well because you see a lot of comments about people wanting to use it on their desktop and so on. Even though there have been issues with the Steam Deck
and the general Linux support being technically different things,
overall, it has been a better result on desktop Linux.
Like, even with those weird edge cases,
like Persona 4 Overworld, when that came out,
Denuvo freaked out on desktop Linux,
but the game worked just fine on Steam Deck.
It was like a patch thing you had to mess around with Proton.
They got it fixed in like a day or so.
But most games out there
sort of trickle down out to general Linux as well.
Usually, whatever they're doing,
with the exception of weird
cases like DRM and anti-cheat,
most of the time, getting
it working on the Steam
deck will give you
better results on Linux. Like, when
they're dealing with cutscenes, for example,
not using weird, archaic
codecs that cause issues on Linux.
That's going to improve stuff on the Steam
deck, and that's also going to improve stuff for
desktop Linux as well.
Most games at this point
are just working fine on Linux,
and this is awesome.
Yeah, well,
that's because of
Proton. It's all because of Proton.
Because, obviously,
it's not translating Windows
calls specifically to
a Steam Deck. It's translating it
to what Linux understands.
So basically all
updates to Proton to make
games work will benefit both
Steam Deck and Linux Desktop.
Unless you have times like Forspoken
when they put very specific
Steam Deck stuff in there that doesn't really work properly.
But then Valve's kind of worked around that already anyway.
So, I mean, it's stuff like that doesn't even stay a problem for long.
And Steam Deck has been out since February, a year this month now.
Oh, wow.
a year this month now.
Oh, wow.
And I believe there's only been,
there's only two games that I know of that worked on Steam Deck,
but not on Linux desktop.
Only two that I actually know of,
of notable names.
There's probably a couple more,
but the point is it's a tiny fraction.
So it's really not a problem.
Well, even then, the games that were
like that, I
don't know of any that weren't fixed.
Like, they were like that
at launch. At launch,
there was definitely a couple of games like that, but
they got quickly addressed with
Proton, unless there's something else that you're thinking
of. Because the only ones that I know of are for
Spoken, Episode 5 Royal.
There might be something else, though.
There's Rogue Company.
That one worked really nicely on Steam Deck,
but from what I'm looking at, it didn't work on desktop for some reason.
Right, okay okay i don't
think that was ever fixed i think it might still be an issue but that was more as i understand it
an issue with the anti-cheat specifically so it's nothing really to do with the proton translation
layer um but again anti-cheat is just one of those things that is it's going to be a problem unfortunately for a long time i i i only played one multiplayer game and i don't it doesn't have
anti-cheat so i just never deal with the problem the only multiplayer game i play is ff14 the only
problem that game's had is the launch has been busted for a couple of years and they finally
got it finally it's working but you know just just use the 14
launcher it's not a problem um i've never had an issue with the launcher you just never use the
never use the default launcher and it's not a problem
yeah launchers are the big issue again as well so anti anti-cheat. So DRM is not even a particularly big issue.
Like Denuvo works absolutely fine.
Yeah, I'm not sure why it freaked out with some players.
I don't know if it actually does its job on Steam Dex and Linux desktop or not.
But I mean, it doesn't stop games from running.
The issue with Denuvo is I came across this recently when I was trying to fix,
I believe it was Ghost recon breakpoint and because i was swapping between different versions of proton
i then couldn't play on my desktop yeah because it detected five different variations and gone
nope yeah but then i went back to the play it again on the steam deck and it was like
nope so then i had to change back to another it again on the Steam Deck, and it was a noob.
So then I had to change back to another different version of Proton that it remembered, and then it let me play.
So I was like, oh, God.
Denevo is just a menace to real players.
Well, yeah, that was one of the issues
that actually got in the way of people testing um so i was saying persona 5
because it wasn't working for whatever reason so you'd have developers who were getting 24
hour bans from the game because they were trying to test out proton fixes so they only just they
only luckily got it done in the first day because they were burning through developers who just kept getting banned yeah it's it's not good i mean stuff like
denuvo is i i know why they do it i don't agree with why they do it because piracy is a service
problem well it was that was said by i believe valve's own gabe newell yeah who said piracy is
a service problem if you improve the service to a point where people
want to use it and they practically solved that with steam over time anyway but it's
yeah it's just just one of those things that's really annoying along with launches like you had
the EA app like two or three times completely broke and again
Valve fixed it within
Proton then Ubisoft
Connect decided to do the exact
same thing and break it
but it all leads
back to my point earlier about
these other companies making
these devices then moving on to the next one
it's the level of support
whereas with Valve you basically know what you're getting making these devices then moving on to the next one yes the level of support whereas we're with
valve you know you basically know what you're getting and you know well at least this point
it seems like it's going to be a long-term thing i yeah i can't see them dropping it like
i i don't know what their future plans are but I know they've said that they want this to be a multi-generational product.
What that really means going forward, when we could possibly expect a Steam Deck 2,
I wouldn't even begin to be able to guess when.
But it seems like, especially now that it might not be the best selling console of all time but it's clearly sold well
enough that valve is going to continue it at least one more generation whether it goes on from there
sort of up to what happens at that point um but this is just a continuation of valves when did they do steam machines how many years
ago was that the machines was 2013 yeah that was that i'll never know long after steam was actually
released properly for linux i'll never get over the fact that Steam Machines were the dumbest idea that Valve ever had because if they if Steam Machines happened when Proton happened it would be a whole
different story like how like I'm sure that they were they're probably kicking themselves they
didn't do it like they they hadn't thought of those ideas around the same time. Because there was no world where Steam machines were going to be this big thing.
They didn't have the developer support.
They were never going to get the developer support.
Proton...
As soon as I hit the scene, that's been the right way to do it from the start.
I know there's a lot of people out there who really wish we had you know native linux games and devs develop games with linux in mind but
i don't care i really don't i just want the games to work i'm i'm long past the argument
i'm happy that the idea is dead at this point.
It's the,
the people don't get me wrong.
I mean, I understand why people want to see a native Linux games being built.
I,
I understand that.
And it does have its merits,
but there's no user share to support the work involved in it.
The only reason valve can do it is because, well,
they sell all of the games, so it doesn't matter to them.
They can burn for a bit of money to make more people buy more games.
I mean, it's only good business for them.
But when Proton's as good as it is, I mean, like you were saying,
most games will run out of the box.
It's happening more and more all the time
compatibility is just improving all of the time there's obviously known issues like some launchers
and anti-cheat and so on but when you've got proton there and it will just mostly go you hit play
and then it's there isn't it shouldn't that be what people care about?
Really?
The issue is more that people should be worried about
is support.
Not what it was compiled for,
not what coding
language it's using, not the platform
it was specifically built for.
It's whether the developer is going to support it.
That is the only thing that should actually matter.
Are they supporting it and does it work?
That's it.
That should be end of discussion, really, on that.
But a lot of people will argue otherwise.
But you're talking about 1% of people of an already tiny one
percent market that want native linux only it's a losing battle when if there's a day when the
market share hits like i don't know 50 then it's kind of like right so now maybe it's actually a
discussion that's kind of important but then then when you've also got Proton, which sometimes can even do Windows compatibility better than Windows itself.
It's kind of like, well, hmm.
Maybe targeting Proton directly is kind of a better idea in a lot of ways.
directly is kind of a better idea in a lot of ways because they can fix things in it and have it fix whatever whatever game is broken and then that behavior will obviously fix other games as well
yeah and you've got and it's open source and a lot of the time that people talk about like
oh no i'm not going to buy it because it's not native to linux it's like well it's closed
source anyway and by using proton you're using an open source project supported by one of the
biggest companies in gaming and if something ever happened to them well it's open source so other
people can carry it on anyway it's but the more i've thought about it over the last year or two, just the more right now that it just makes sense
just to not give a shit whether it uses Proton or it's native, really.
My screen's about to turn off.
Stop that.
I, look, if a dev wants to go and have a native Linux version
I think
let me just double check, I want to say
Hollow Knight has a native Linux version
yes it does
it does?
I'm not against native at all
of course, I mean if a developer is
going to do a native Linux version
and support it then, I mean that's fine
that's great
that's the point I was getting at if you're going to do a native Linux version and you're going to do a native Linux version and support it, then that's fine. That's great.
If you're going to do a native Linux version and you're going to do it
well, go ahead.
If you like
Linux, you want
to support Linux, whatever. Go ahead
and do so.
But if the idea of
having a Linux build is
just we compiled it for Linux.
We didn't test it.
Just have fun.
Yeah, exactly.
I'd much rather the focus be on just,
even if it's just the focus on getting it working well on the Steam Deck,
that's a much better result than throwing it out there and not caring.
Yeah.
Well,
a lot of the things that developers and this is happening a lot now,
actually developers fixing stuff specifically for Steam Deck,
which is cool.
But a lot of things that the developers are doing for it benefits everyone,
like making sure text clarity is better putting in better
font resolutions ui scaling gamepad support you know even optimizing the the game performance for
the lower end of the steam deck compared to you know high-end pcs all of these things benefit everyone, and anybody who complains about it is mad.
Earlier you were mentioning
Forspoken. I've not played
the game myself. I have
seen... I've seen
a bit of a playthrough
of it, and I've certainly seen
the scene that everyone memed on
the... I did that?
You did that? I did that.
I did.
I also want to listen to the,
because it's made by Luminous Production,
Square Enix subsidiary.
I've listened to the Japanese audio.
It's considerably less cringy in the Japanese audio.
For anyone listening,
Frey is voiced by J uh, Jolene's, uh, voice actress, so it's a lot less annoying than Frey is in the English version. But, um, I, I, I knew the name Luminous Studio, Luminous Production, uh, rung a bell, but I couldn't work out why until I looked at the other game they made. That was
the subsidiary of Square Enix that made Final Fantasy 15 which was a... that was a video game
that people know how I feel about. It's not a good it's really not i just don't get the price on it what is in uk in uk
pounds it is 64.99 uh and for for what i've seen of it it's just in absolutely no way does it seem like it's worth $64.99.
$114
in Australia.
Wait, what?
Wait, how much is Elden Ring?
$90.
It's like $30
cheaper to buy Elden Ring.
Yeah, and you will get
probably a lot more
enjoyment out of Elden Ring.
Even if you don't like difficult games, you'll probably still like Elden Ring more.
Why is it so expensive?
I don't get it either.
I don't understand why it's so expensive.
Okay.
Look, it's...
From what I've seen of it, it seems like a remotely entertaining game.
I wouldn't pay full price for it, but if it was like $30 on sale, $20 on sale, maybe a bit worth it?
It seems like a 30, 40 pound game max.
Mm-hmm.
Square Enix doesn't really have anything right now, that's the problem.
Because they've
a lot of the games they've
released recently have sort of been
I wouldn't say
flops, but
definitely not hits.
Yeah, it's been a little bit since they've had, like, a big title.
But outside of Final Fantasy.
Yeah.
Because Final Fantasy XIV...
I'm just looking over there.
XIV's basically the only thing keeping them afloat right now.
Because they put out Crisis Core, Final Fantasy, Seven Reunion.
It's a Final Fantasy game, though.
Tactics Ogre Reborn.
Huh?
Harvest Stella.
And, like, yeah, I'm looking at the...
Even just going by the review count
and, like, the amount of people online playing them, none of them have sold particularly well.
So, yeah, I don't think they're having a great time right now, which is probably one of the reasons that Forspoken is so outlandishly expensive.
I mean, that is just a ludicrous price.
Look,
clearly someone's buying
it. They might be returning
it shortly after, but
there's their reviews on Steam,
so people are buying it, even if
it's just to mock the game.
I don't
understand why anybody would waste
their money to buy a game
to mock it, or to leave a bad review.
And I know people do this.
I just scrolled down, releasing a game like that for 79 euros is cheeky.
It's one of the first reviews I see.
Yeah, it's not even remotely highly rated either.
Yeah, it seems like it's very mixed right now.
I'll play it one day, probably, maybe.
Someone just screamed
outside my window. That's a bit concerning.
As you do.
Okay.
Hello?
Hello?
I don't know. Like... Hi. Hello? Uh.
I don't know.
Like.
I don't.
It's like.
It's a good looking.
Okay.
If you know the character.
Animations on the faces.
It's a good looking game.
Because they're not great.
They're really not very good
But like you know the world design the effect animator like the effects all look good
But that's a lot of money that's a lot of money
But I don't know
Play whatever you like if you enjoy the game. I don't know. Play whatever you like. If you enjoy the game, I don't care.
Enjoy whatever video games you want to play.
I'm going to go play, you know, something else
that's not bespoken.
Did you ever actually
use Stadia?
I didn't. I've not
actually... Have I done any cloud gaming before?
What? Not no... I didn't I've not actually have I done any cloud gaming before not
maybe like once or twice
I've not used stadia definitely not
have you done any cloud gaming
at all
it would have been a couple of years
since I'd last done some
I don't actively do any cloud gaming
that was kind of sad in a way to see it go but that business model i don't know what they were
thinking for anyone who's got it give people a bit of a recap on how they were doing that so everyone was kind of expecting like a netflix of games
sort of deal and the the technology that they used to stream games was actually when it came out
probably the best i mean it was the most seamless way to do some cloud gaming. You literally open the browser window, click the play button, and you were there in game.
And it was fast as well, which was a good thing.
And like the input lag on it was good as well.
But the problem was Google had a history of cancelling everything.
That's one way to put it.
But it wasn't just that.
that's one way to put it but it wasn't just that
the biggest problem of it
wasn't just the fact that everybody knows
Google cancels everything eventually
apart from Android
and their search engine but everything else
for now
but the business model
was
you could either pay
a certain amount per month
for their pro account,
which would give you access to 4K streams,
which is kind of like, okay,
but you realize most people won't have a 4K screen anyway, but fine.
And that would also give you a couple of free games
to add to your account every month,
which you could only access if you kept up your subscription.
Right.
But on top of that, they also had full price games that you could buy from them,
but you would only have access from them.
And so when they shut it down, obviously everybody lost access to it.
But in their credit, I will give Google credit though,
how they handled the shutdown of Stadia is kind of like
showing up other companies who've shut things down in a really bad way
because they refunded practically everything.
I was really surprised when I heard that.
I think one of the only things they didn't refund
was your Stadia Pro subscription.
That makes sense.
I...
That's fine.
But, I mean, saying that...
Like, I...
Right.
Stadia controller.
It is... one of the most comfortable controllers.
I can't see you anymore.
Oh, no.
What have I done?
My camera likes to do that sometimes as well.
Is it going to level out?
That's a good question.
Are we just going to be like this the rest of the time?
Hello?
Uh, cover it...
Oh, that works, maybe.
I'll do this.
There we...
Better?
Yes, we're good now.
Okay.
Well, I won't do that again.
Wow.
I need a new camera, I think.
But the Stadia controller is, without a a doubt one of the most...
If I just hold it here... Haha!
It won't do it, okay?
I don't have a Stadia controller, I only have one.
Here's a PS5 and a Xbox One controller.
Well, if we're gonna be doing this, I mean, I've got
a Steam controller.
Wow!
An Xbox controller.
I can keep going for a while.
My favourite
controller right now is the PS5 controller.
I use this pretty much
for everything where I have PlayStation
prompts. But yeah, Stadia controller.
Yeah.
It's really comfortable.
And so on all the refunds they did,
you kept the hardware because obviously they don't want it.
So you've got a free controller out of it.
I've got a free Chromecast Ultra out of it.
And they refunded every game that I bought on there.
I mean, I was like 200 quids up
easily wow um yeah and they even enabled the bluetooth for the stadia controller but
they're only going to be doing that until i believe it's december this year so be quick um
december this year so be quick um yeah it's just it was an example of how to shut down a service gracefully i think but not many companies could refund to the level that they
could because much like steam and google just basically print money really don't they yeah well
the difference with a lot of other companies is if they start up a cloud streaming service, that's in many cases going to be their entire business.
Google, you know, Stadia going out of business is sort of just like a decimal point on their tax return.
Like that's not a big deal to them.
They could just, they don't care.
Yeah, they've probably got some sort of tax write-off for it.
In fact, of course they would.
They've refunded it, so it's not revenue for them.
So it actually probably didn't really cost them all that much
when you think about it.
But they were up against GeForce Now,
which obviously just kept getting better and better.
And with that, you're playing games you already own from other services.
There was just no way that buy full price games from us and you'll only ever have it from us.
That kind of model is just not going to work.
There's no way.
I think one of the problems that Google also had is not only is google really
good at killing things off they're also really bad at they're really bad at marketing new things
they have uh i've said this a couple of times before but what they should have done is on YouTube, you know,
under a video where it's like, hey,
this is the game in this
video. If that game is available
on Stadia, they should have
a play on Stadia button right
next to it.
They planned that, and they planned to have
it in their search
results as well, and they just
never did it.
There's just too many missteps it was yeah it was never gonna live very long i'm i'm i'm very curious to see where
cloud gaming goes into the future because i think as much as you know the the the hardcore elitist game is like
oh no you gotta play it on hardware only ever on your own computer we can never have cloud gaming
for a lot of people out there i think it actually is a really compelling idea, especially right now where buying, you know, even mid-tier hardware is
prohibitively expensive, I think there is absolutely a place for cloud gaming.
For most games, it's certainly an issue with anything that's, like, high action and requires very like low input latency but there's a lot
of other games out there where or just if you're fairly casual in the game where it just doesn't
matter yeah um that was one of the things about about the steam deck is is about the price of hardware you know to build
a phone a full desktop including the monitors and everything else your speakers your graphics
card your cpu ram is massively expensive nowadays to get good performance at things and you also had
all the chip shortages as well whereas i, I mean, just buy this.
And then if you want to, you know, go make it bigger,
you've got all the different docs from either Valve or JZUX,
iVola and loads of other companies who keep emailing me that we've just made a brand new doc for the Steam Deck.
Do you want to take a look?
No, because I mean, it's exactly the same as every other dock and then you can hook it up to a monitor which is like what i
do all the time i've got i've got a dock here i've got a dock in my bedroom i've got a dock
downstairs in my living room so if i want to i'll just dock it in there and play it on a big screen
it's happy days and the thing with cloud gaming as well, I mean, it is actually quite good on devices like this
because not only is it not taking up drive space,
but certain bigger games won't work very well
on either the Steam Deck
or one of these other devices coming out,
whereas it might actually work quite
well streamed and because the streaming services are getting so powerful nowadays the input lag is
like practically not there i mean yet you're always going to have input lag i mean even a mouse
connected over usb to your pc has some form of input lag.
I mean, it's just that's the way of things.
But there were comparisons actually some time ago done between things like Xbox, GeForce Now, Stadia and so on.
And I believe they did it again with the latest upgrade to GeForce Now.
And it was showing like the latency was better than some consoles and it's like well
if it's getting to that stage yeah cloud gaming is definitely something that will be good for a
lot of people it's all about the price and understanding in in some of them that you don't
own the games like um Xbox cloud gaming you don't own any of those games and games like netflix will go in and out of it
which is interesting because xbox have basically made netflix for games with their cloud gaming
service which if i say the problem is i have two steam decks and i can never remember what
on which of them and i don't know if I've got it on here
or not because I was just gonna
demonstrate
I forgot this service
even existed
there's so many different
I think
nope
I think there's two models
here that make the most sense,
and neither of them is what Sadia was doing.
You've got the Netflix for games,
and you've got what NVIDIA does.
Those, I think, are the two models that make the most sense for cloud gaming.
Yeah.
Maybe some will come with something different over time. I don't have a model that makes any kind of sense
yeah buying like you know a hundred and twenty dollars for for spoken like that
that would make no sense if you just have it on that one service oh there we go. Right. Okay.
So.
Yes.
This.
So this is a Linux device.
Okay.
Steam OS 3.
And I'm now doing Xbox Cloud Gaming.
Ooh.
So it should now be loading up. If I've done this right.
Fortnite.
Oh, there you go. There's be loading up if i've done this right fortnight oh there you go there's
fortnight loading up and i can just do that over wi-fi on a linux device i mean it's like
it's crazy what you think the internet and just technology as a whole can enable you to do
and especially for companies like epic games where they just well they just
refuse to actually support linux really don't they yep yep i don't i don't know what uh what
the deal is with epic because what like the ceo has been like, yeah, you know, Steam Deck, great device.
It looks so cool.
We're not bringing Fortnite 2.
It's not going to happen.
Definitely not.
Yeah, it's a lot of market share problem again.
Sure, yeah.
Like, it goes back into the whole native linux versus
proton i mean it's it's always going to be the same argument companies like epic wow don't they're
they're spending so much money on all the exclusive stuff anyway that they're not going to worry about
paying more to have this tiny platform on it.
But for me, it's useful
because... Right, here we go.
Okay.
Okay.
I'm actually in a match
on it right now.
And I mean, it's not the most scientific
test, but if you see...
I mean,
the input seems okay to me it's it yeah it seems entirely
playable and that and that that's over wi-fi so it's kind of like
seems pretty good so i could just sit here and i mean to be honest with you right i have i've got
playstation 4 i've got a nintendo switch i've got an xbox series x
i've got two pcs i've got two steam decks and i'm sat here now right and i'm i'm playing fortnite
on my steam deck on linux through wi-fi and i couldn't tell that this isn't
natively running.
The input feels
that amazing.
Excuse me.
I'm going to have to
play this for a while now.
That's the problem with
games like this.
It's so easy to get into
and you find yourself
kind of in a hole on the...
There was...
I got
like that with Dota 2.
Have you ever played that?
I've got over 500 hours in that and at some
point I had to say no.
Enough is enough. I can't do this anymore.
Like I've got to move on to something else.
But then it's also the
Dota 2 community is toxic as hell.
Just look at it, though.
I have to do it where I can see what I'm doing as well.
It's Fortnite
on a Linux handheld.
I'm sat there
and I can't tell that it's not doing it so right
is that just right test the jump speed ready jump jump I mean it's it's literally as I press it
yeah that's a really good latency I'm sure that if like you, you were, you know, used to playing on a 165 hertz display,
used to playing locally, all that, like,
and you were really, really into the game,
there would be a difference.
But if you're just, you know, casually jumping into a game,
it seems fine, at least from what I can tell.
Yeah.
And for someone like me as well,
I mean, I don't particularly
want to use things like Windows
and so on, and I mean, that can just enable me
to hop in and have a couple games with friends
and then hop out and do something else,
you know?
And that's one of the things
that kind of bugs me about the whole
native-only argument, or
if you're a Linuxux fan it's the
only thing you're allowed to you know the zealot zealot behavior fanatics it there's always been
a problem in the linux community of having people like that but yeah for people like me i mean if i
was going to do that i would end up cutting myself off from practically all of my friends and all of the games
they play just because you use linux and because you're a fan of it and you're a fan of open source
doesn't mean you shouldn't or can't use anything else and yeah you can to be honest you can pry
stuff like fortnite from my cold dead hands because i will keep playing it and i
will enjoy it i mean i i mean this is such a stupid game though i mean i've got i've got a
pickaxe that is one of those stretchy balloons that you make shapes out of and things as i do
it and i i just find it hilarious I don't play Fortnite
the only time I ever pay attention to it
is when some random
character is added and
it looks dumb
back when there was like
the Dragon Ball event
and people were running around as
Vegeta with a shotgun like okay
sure why not
or there was the Naruto event
and people would...
It was just like,
gun no jutsu.
I...
I spoke to someone about this, actually.
And I'm not sure where it was.
It could have even have been with you
the last time I spoke to you.
And it did kind of make me feel a bit weird.
And I didn't like it seeing stuff like a character
who's as iconic as goku i mean i i have dragon ball tattoos on my arm and he's he's in fortnite
running around with okay and it's like it's so wrong so So wrong. Yeah.
But, I mean, that's... That's kind of one of the things that people...
Like, I'm pretty sure Tim Sweeney from Epic is going on about stuff like the metaverse.
I think he's pretty big on that, isn't he?
And that's what it is.
And that's, you know, some of what it is.
It's going to be everything and everything. Yeah. It's kind of one of the things of it but i don't know just goku from
dragon ball running around with okay just no well look they've kind of messed with every uh every
generation of anime fan there you've got the fans of dragon ball then you got the slightly younger
fans who are fans of naruto then you got the younger fans who are fans of my hero academia everyone everyone gets uh gets to be annoyed about
the anime characters in there yeah although i must admit there is something funny about being
master chief from halo and seeing him doing like little dances and stuff and going like this
look, as dumb as it is
clearly Epic
has got themselves
something that is going
to be like, it's going to be
a cultural icon
for years into the future
even if Fortnite isn't
like, it's not
the thing that everyone's talking about like it was back during, when it first came out during the first season.
It's clearly still this massively important game, even if it's something that a lot of people may not be paying attention to.
Like, that's one of the weird things about about the internet there
can be these subcultures that have millions and millions of people in them that you don't even
remotely pay attention to like that's sort of that's this thing you get with this like this
connected world we have with the internet there are so many people that even if something's incredibly popular you
could just not be aware of like at all what's going on with it yeah and i think it's it's similar
to things like minecraft back in the day you know when that was sort of first coming out
you you couldn't go anywhere without someone mentioning it and then it completely fell
off like that i mean but it's still one of the biggest games in the world exactly and fortnite
is exactly the same you know it's it's not at that level anymore but i mean epic are making
millions and billions out of it well they wouldn't be able it's literally how they're bankrolling
epic store they wouldn't have partnerships with dragon ball Ball and Naruto and all that if they weren't massive.
Yeah.
Imagine coming up with the gold mine like that.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
He sleeps on a bed of money, I'm sure.
Oh, without a doubt.
Like, I...
I'm sure they could... if he really wanted to they have the money to get it working just fine on the steam deck that's not gonna happen though
until epic is until epic has their own their own like handheld it's not gonna happen yeah see the the problem that i have there is that
epic own easy anti-cheat it's their own software that they're not turning on to have it work
you know locally installed locally on steam deck and linux desktop and it's just and you i saw some of the
tweets that he was doing and in fact i'm pretty sure i reported on it as well on the website
that he didn't even have real faith in his own software i know that yeah i know the ones you're
talking about yeah yeah it's about yeah he was worried about
custom kernels or something
I think
it was like you can't be certain
about
I probably won't be able to find it
it was to the effect of
he's not certain
that they could protect it against custom kernels
but I mean it's
nothing's secure by obscurity wait is this it and that's and that's one of the problems i have with
stuff like easy anti-cheat battle eye and so on i mean you had no idea what they're really doing
apparently secure found it uh So someone asked about Fortnite.
He said, Fortnite? No.
This is from February 7th, 2022.
There's a big effort underway to maximize easy-to-cheat compatibility with Steam Deck.
Someone asked, why not?
Asking about why not Fortnite.
We don't have confidence that we'd be able to combat cheating at scale
under a wide array of kernel configurations
Including custom ones with regard to energy on the Linux platform
Supporting custom kernels and the threat model to a game of fortnight size
Someone had to leave to the tweet in there. I guess someone asked him along the lines of
So easy energy just you don't trust that it would work under linux but
like then you're selling it to people to use under linux like the problem with well what he was saying
was largely true though i mean in all fairness no Fortnite is a game that has a scale like practically nothing else
on the amount of players on it.
And, you know,
obviously the amount of people
that are probably trying to hack it
and cheat on it and so on.
So protecting something like that
is obviously vastly different
than a game that only has, say,
100,000 players a day
versus a couple million.
So, I mean,
you can see what he's saying on that but then again
the way it's it's phrased it comes off like he's sort of it comes off like he's
not trusting the product that he's trying to sell yeah there is certainly an element of that as well. But thanks to technology and streaming and to sing,
it's so weird to sing Microsoft praises,
but I mean, Microsoft have done a genuinely good job with Xbox Cloud.
And in fact, that was one of the sort of things
that I did not have on my bingo year was microsoft have
done like repeated announcements about steam deck compatibility for various games they did their own
official guide to get xbox cloud working on the steam. They're pushing Edge with that, but you don't
need Edge, just use Chrome.
But it's kind of like
you've now got companies like Microsoft
talking about playing their games
platform.
It's money. Money is what talks.
Yep. And we finally
have something that is pushing Linux
to the masses that even Microsoft are like
here's how you play our stuff on it.
It's going to be
an interesting year, that's for sure.
Yeah, I...
Only in February, oh my god.
I...
Look, I just hope
that
whatever happens,
we start seeing...
We start seeing...
We start seeing more interest in...
General... I don't expect that to happen, but I would like to see more interest in general Linux.
Not just, hey, we've made sure it works on the Steam Deck.
Hey, we've also tested it at least on Ubuntu.
Whatever, it doesn't work
on everything else, but, like,
we've, you know,
it works on the Steam Deck,
it works on Linux. It's still
doing it through Proton,
but I can't
see that happening. I would like it.
It's a pipe dream,
but... Well...
That is gonna come with time,
and I think because the Steam Deck is out there now,
it's got the full desktop mode on it,
and you hear this all the time of people like,
this finally got me to appreciate Linux kind of thing.
Once SteamOS 3 releases to everyone,
I think things will change a little bit there as well
even if people don't necessarily stick with it sure going and finding another distribution maybe
or just people understanding more and more about linux is obviously always going to be a good thing
and one of the things in fact that valve said about releasing steam os 3 was about people
as in like us normal people not just vendors putting it on their machines but about people building their own machines with it
as in making your own little steam machine up against your tv with steam os on it there's
there's going to be a big tinker community around it i mean you you've probably already seen some
of the stuff that people are making and building with the steam deck it blows my mind every day what people are doing it's become
this amazing device like it's like when stuff like the game boy and so on came out you know
it's like kind of river well not kind of it i mean it has revived the handheld gaming industry
because you had play, you know,
they had the Vita and so on,
and that was a much-loved handheld
by a lot of, you know, Sony fans.
It's basically the Vita 2, in a way,
the Steam Deck as well.
Well...
But all of this...
Handheld sort of came back with the Switch, to be fair.
Like, that's when they really started to gain interest again.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah yeah they're specifically on like
the pc handheld oh sure sure sure okay fair enough um it's yeah it's just just amazing to
see what everyone's doing with it they were in fact because jsox did uh a clear a clear back
case for it recently there's a post that's doing the rounds on the steam deck reddit
right now where somebody's just like stuck a load of led like rgb leds on the inside of it so like
you know they'll hold it up it'll be like all colorful there's so many cool hardware things
that people are doing because it's not just people learning about linux and like how actually
quite good it is nowadays, you know?
Yeah.
It's also people tinkering on the hardware side.
Really fun to see.
What?
I think they definitely picked a good time to do the,
the,
to do the Steam Deck.
Cause if it was a few years earlier,
I,
Proton was definitely good
like a couple of years ago
but
now it's in
an, I wouldn't say
perfect, like anywhere near perfect
but it's in a considerably better state
and the problems
that we have now are
for the most part
not like fundamental problems that we have now are, for the most part,
not, like, fundamental problems that are affecting wide array of games.
Like, I've got all my games on Steam just categorized into their ProtonDB rating, just so I can easily find stuff.
But my library, without ever putting any thought into like whether a game
works on Linux, it just is mostly in a good state. And it's been like that for a while.
I think, actually going back to the thing about general Linux support, I think one thing that could possibly change that is not if people are using SteamOS on their own devices they're selling,
but if these other non-SteamOS Linux-based operating systems like what Ioneo is doing,
if things like that start gaining any attention,
because if that has any reasonable market share,
then devs are going to want to support that as well.
So now you're thinking about Linux as more of a category of things, rather than just Linux as what Valve is doing.
I think that might cause a change.
I don't know if that's really going to pick up
considering how expensive those devices are.
But the thing about it, again,
is it goes back to, right now, Proton
and how fixing up things in that
is fixing up tons of games constantly.
With the Aonio devices and then doing Aonio
OS their own Linux system when you go through like their announcements on it they're talking
about Proton as well so it's like yeah there's going to be a lot more focus on on Proton as time
goes on from developers as well because you are going to have more devices
shipping with it it's as simple as that because valve had proven it's popular yeah yeah and that
linux can work and be a good gaming platform i mean a lot of us already knew this already
but this is a mass-produced device going out to masses of people and a lot of them
it's the first time they've ever
used Linux.
I want to know where this goes in
like, because we can obviously
be like, hey, this is what's happening right now.
Where this sort of leads to in like
5, 10 years from now.
If things keep going
in the direction they're going, if
the Steam Deck, you know, gets worldwide sales
and anyone can buy it if they want to,
maybe we have a Steam Deck 2.
I'm very curious to see where the idea of Linux gaming is at that point.
Like, if we do see, you know,
Like, if we do see, you know, because right now, right now, Linux is still less than like Mac OS in the market share.
If it keeps going in this direction, I wouldn't be surprised if it just overtakes that.
We're not going to overtake Windows any time in the near future, maybe any time in the long-term future, but I wouldn't be surprised if, you know, five, ten
years from now,
Linux is a
second legitimate PC
platform to play games on.
Three years,
Max. Three years, Max, you say?
Three years, and
at least going by
for gaming, say, by the steam steam survey i reckon in three years
time it will have overtaken mac easily especially with the price of mac as well i still don't
understand how people are buying them up in such quantities like yeah i i have a well i have a like a 300 smartphone from five years ago
so like i'm definitely not the apple audience well the problem with what i've just said is that
i was a huge kind of skeptic of apple stuff for so long, but then I bought...
The iPhone was a really good deal,
and I bought it, and I actually really enjoy using it,
so who am I to judge anything, really?
They make good, you know, user interfaces.
Like, there's...
For all the shit you can give Apple
for the way they handle right-to-repair,
the way they lock down their systems.
They make good devices.
Like, I get it.
I just don't want to spend that much.
That's one of the things I actually quite appreciate
from Epic Games and Tim Sweeney
is how hard they are fighting companies like Apple to open up it's a completely they're doing it to
completely self-serve their own interest but at the end of the day if they manage to get them
to push to open up to extra payment providers and extra app stores and allow you especially on iphones you know because on android you have an
f droid yeah which you can download as a completely separate package manager store
imagine if you could get something like that on iphone would just be kind of amazing and that'll
be hopefully the end result of um of epics fight with them. So that would be really interesting.
On Android there's also
the...
There's probably way more than just F-Droid
for Android, but it's the only one I
actually know.
What's the one that Amazon had on
their fire devices that I'm
forgetting the name of?
They just have their own
Amazon App Store, don't they?
I don't know if it was called
whatever it was called but yeah there's
those are the sort of the major ones
obviously Google, F-Droid and
Amazon's thing but
no one uses
like obviously there's the
FOSS people that use F-Droid but like
that's pretty
much it like it's not a thing that anyone else really
cares about
right and so it's not a thing that anyone else really cares about.
Right.
And so it's not eating into anyone's bottom line, really, when you think about it, because they're using all these external things are going to be a minority, which again will happen
to Apple.
Obviously, they're afraid because it's going to affect their bottom line and if you look at their
very most recent revenue reports like this massive chunk of their revenue comes directly
from the app store and that's why they don't want to allow people to you know sideload whatever they
want on it but it just shouldn't be allowed as simple as that. No, it shouldn't be. No matter what you buy,
if you've bought it and it's yours,
there should be nothing on it
that makes it seem like actually you're only
kind of leasing it from these people.
You should, no matter
what device you own, you should be able to load
whatever the fuck
and repair it. Yep.
For anything.
Yeah, but...
Look, I think one of those battles might be a little bit easier to win than the other one.
I don't know if they're gonna make it easy.
Actually, to be fair, they do have their repair program.
Where it costs, you know...
It costs more than just buying a new device in some cases.
They'll sell you an entire motherboard
and, like, they'll lease you the tools to repair it.
Yeah, actually, they started doing some more stuff
within the last year.
I think it was towards the end of last year,
I think it was announced,
that they'd sort of, like, opened up the repair stuff a bit more.
That rings a bell. I don't know if it was around that. I know what you're talking about. I can't remember when it was announced that they'd sort of like opened up the repair stuff a bit more for uh that rings
i don't know if it was around i i know what you're talking about i can't remember when it was
happening i have to hand it to apple's customer care though to be fair i've got the app the air
pod but i shouldn't do that near the camera should i it's not going to focus and these are the the pro two so like the very latest ones that you can get and i was having
problems where they just they kept dropping out basically and it was really annoying so i went
into my local apple store explained the situation and 10 minutes later i walked out with a brand new pair wow so i mean yeah i was cut and in fact
even weirder though is the night before i on your on an iphone for people that don't know you can do
like a dedicated support on your phone and they will message you through imessage personally to
talk you through different things that you can try okay and that was really weird
like but yeah their customer support was top notch i really can't complain about that
actually on the note of uh wireless earbuds here here here's what i have as wireless earbuds
this is a pair of jaybird x2s from like in fact i had i had something similar to that actually and
it had just like a band that went around in that i've considered getting some like actual wireless
earbuds but my jaybirds they work yeah the battery is very very short now. Maybe lasts like three hours.
But, you know, lithium batteries, all that.
I used to hate wireless stuff.
But they've just gotten so good.
I was all on board.
I don't take away my headphone jack.
But, yeah, now you actually have very convenient options.
There's loads of them.
I mean, you can pick up a pair that look exactly like that
for, like, £30, $30,
and they'll give you a pretty reasonable sound quality
and a couple of hours battery life.
It's amazing how
it's like any technology though over time as more and more of it's produced
it's supposed to get cheaper unless it's a gpu right now
gpus are a fun one right now that's for sure honestly like a big part i don't know how much like i don't
know what's going on behind the scenes i don't know how much of nvidia's pricing at this point
is existing continuing silicon shortage and how much is nvidia you know wanting to make as much money as they can.
So the NVIDIA, like all hardware companies,
do as many tricks as they can to get the most money out of people.
This is what I always tell people.
A company, no matter who they are, no matter how much of a fan you are, whether it's Valve, whether it's Epic Games,
whether it's Nvidia, AMD, it doesn't matter.
They're not your friend.
They're there to make money out of you.
And it's as simple as that.
You can be a fan of them, but you need to understand
they're not a fan of you.
They want your wallet.
They want your fucking money.
And that is it.
Yeah.
No, I fully agree no I fully agree
I fully agree
oh god
one thing I did want to
talk about is I'm
I'm really
this is a complete topic shift
I'm really surprised
with how much attention
Dwarf Fortress has been getting.
Yeah, that is kind of amazing, actually,
because they just released their monthly report
and they had over 7 million in January.
Yeah.
Which is absolutely freaking nuts when you think about i mean you look at it and graphically
compared to you know everything else that's coming out nowadays and even with their new
graphical tiles that they've put on it it doesn't really look modern in any shape or form. No, it doesn't.
And even the animation system
and stuff in the new Dwarf Fortress
is...
There's basically not really any animations
from what I played, but
it's fully
deserved, though. Fully deserved.
Because, I mean, they've been
hacking away at making
Dwarf Fortress.
For many.
Many years.
For free as well.
They took donations and so on.
And then released it on Steam.
And now they're millionaires.
Yeah.
I've.
Amazing.
I've been hearing from people who
I will point out before you mention anything else
that
while it's not a bad thing
I do think that one of the
reasons that it sold so well
and why a lot of
indie developers can't
reproduce that form of success
well for the two reasons one
it was already a massively well-known and two i don't know the specifics of it but i know at least
one of the one of the two people uh was sick basically and like you know needed hospital
bills and so on and i think that has played a part of it because uh like a big portion
of it will be generosity from people not necessarily people normally buying it to play it
if that makes sense i think there is definitely a big element to that as well no that definitely
makes sense but what i was going to get is i've been because i had this perception in my mind before this came out that dwarf fortress even though it
was like a thing that people knew about nobody really cared about it outside of the very you
know the the gray beards that have never left their house that only played Dwarf Fortress but I have heard like
just regular
like normie streamers that
I would never have expected to talk about
Dwarf Fortress, talk about
Dwarf Fortress, talk about wanting to play
it now that this graphical update
is out, because they've heard about the
game, they're like, they know
what Dwarf Fortress is
and they know it's this like crazy complex
thing but that's all they know about it i i think the devs absolutely deserve the attention they get
because this is this is still complex as hell even though it has graphical and actual user
interface a proper user interface yeah yeah and it's still ridiculously complex i it's one of those storytelling games
well uh i've not actually played dwarf fortress but i i do know it goes to like
ridiculous levels of detail where like it keeps track of, every tooth in the dwarf's mouth.
Just, like, insane, ridiculous detail that no one in their right mind cares about.
But is there, because that's what the game's supposed to be.
Yeah, to be honest, I haven't
played a huge amount of it because it's
so complex and
it's just
something of that level
is not something that
I can sit down and relax
with. Right.
If I was going to do something like that, it'd be
more
Rimworld.
I'm definitely on a similar level, and Rimworld has a lot of inspiration from Dwarf Fortress.
But I can click around in it a lot more, and things move.
Yeah.
For me, just personally, Dwarf Fortress, even with the new release, it just still has too much of a retro feel for it. Well, it's still Dwarf Fortress, even with the new release,
it just still has too much of a retro feel for it.
Well, it's still Dwarf Fortress.
And so, yeah, fair play.
They've done a good job.
I actually have heard from some of the people who are like, you know,
the grey beard, hardcore Dwarf Fortress players
never played a single other video game in their entire life who aren't happy about the new UI because they're like they change stuff the new
UI is slower in certain things like these are these are people who've never played a single
other video game besides Dwarf Fortress they know it like in and out um but it's clearly made it a lot more approachable and that that's a big part of
the reason why it got so much attention not only the fact obviously the the uh medical bill stuff
definitely to help but the fact that if you want to play dwarf, it gives you something that looks like a video game now.
And, you know, most people
aren't going to go and
sit down and play, like, an ASCII
game. Like, it's not going to happen.
Yeah. The world has
moved on and it's as simple as that.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's a long
time coming.
Even if the art like the game has is simple it does the job it gets the message across in a way that it looks like a video game now which you know seven million um yeah they've done well
and i hope that that it keeps going well
of the future
um I don't know what to talk about I've got a bunch of other things in this list
but see what will you should we go to um you know what i did see you uh mentioned uh dead space on on uh gaming on linux
i don't know if you play how much you played of the uh the remake i've played a couple of hours
of it yeah and it is fantastic i had never actually played Dead Space before the remake.
My housemate got me to go and play it with him.
Maybe this is not a popular opinion.
I can see why...
You're going to offend a lot of people.
I'm going to, absolutely.
I can see why it's a very popular
franchise and why it's a very popular
game
I didn't
I didn't
I
there's a lot of things about it that I think are
really cool, like the way the
plasma kind of thing
works, you turn it,
you cut off the limbs of the enemies.
I just...
It's a game
that's way too slow for me to find
any enjoyment from, because I don't
find any of the jump scares
scary, because
the entire... All the horror
in the game is about
let's make the audio as loud
as possible.
Like.
No, there's a lot more to it than that.
I'm sure there's more to it, but from what
I've played. It's the general atmosphere
of it that is scary
really. That's what he was telling me as well.
No, it's good though.
The remake is genuinely good. I mean, it's it's good though the the remake is is genuinely good i mean it's it's faithful
in that it is very similar to the original because it is a remake but there's just loads of nice
updated touches on it that really it's already the best way to get back into it you know
and it's just a genuinely good horror game no and now it runs nicely on steam deck
and linux desktops as well like so as much as i might not enjoy i can absolutely understand
like the all of the like the the pieces i saw of the game like it's clearly a really good game that is not at all my style of game like yeah yeah the atmosphere i i get it it
makes sense why you would enjoy that the i think the um as i think the way the gun like the the
first gun you get is really cool like and like all the whole cutting off limbs thing really cool idea um i maybe i'm just really dumb but any of the uh zero gravity segments my
brain just falls apart and i i'm just like uh like it's yeah yeah any game that sends me
into of a 3d zero g environment my brain kind of like, I want to turn my head up,
see where I'm going.
Yep, yep.
Yeah, it's quite annoying.
Because I didn't get super far through the game
when I was playing it.
I got back to the ship
and then went off to do the next thing,
whatever it was.
So still like, you know, an hour or two into the game.
So like still, I don't know how long the game is,
but still relatively early on.
But I don't know, maybe at some point I'll go back and play it.
The other problem, okay, the other problem I had
is that we were playing with controllers
and I don't play shooters with controllers as well so that also uh was a mess from uh for
my experience um that's not a problem for me i've i've always had consoles so
i mean i feel really at home either no i used to like the steam deck or game pad i used to play call of duty on on
playstation like i used to be i'm not gonna say good or great i used to be competent at playing
shooters on console um i'm not anymore the last time i was really actively playing a shooter on console was Black Ops 2.
So a while ago.
That was quite a while then, yeah.
Yeah.
Well, if you're into any sort of like story type game, have you seen Detroit Become Human?
I know of the game.
I've not played it.
become human i know of the game i've not played it so it's the same people that made in fact i think practically all of their games are very similar uh beyond two souls right heavy
rain yeah yeah oh it's yeah yeah yeah i i've started i thought well i started i'm a couple
of hours into it now.
And that is a genuinely interesting game.
And the way they've done it is really interesting as well.
The story is a bit like iRobot, the Will Smith film, in a way.
Robot uprising and all that, and like one in every kind of thing.
I mean, there's quite a few things that have done that, to be fair.
But I like the idea that i can go through and you have these different decisions you've got to make
and when you've completed a chapter it will flow through like this chart of the decisions you made
and you'll see like your decisions go down here and there's like decisions going along there
that you didn't make that could go somewhere completely different and you can lose characters
in it as well if you choose certain decisions and it's really yes really really interesting
that does sound really cool
so people like story games that's a good one i i don't want to make it seem like I don't like slow games.
There are some games that are like, you know,
one of my favorite games was Journey on the PS3.
That's an incredible game.
So, you know, I will enjoy something that is slow
or where, you know, it's not action-y.
There's nothing really happening.
I don't know what it was about.
I don't know what it was about Dead Cells that just...
Dead Space.
Different game.
Dead Space that just...
I don't know.
Maybe it's that when I play a shooter, I like my shooters to be, you know...
Look, the last
shooter I got really into was Doom.
And Doom is Doom.
I think maybe that's where
the issue is.
It's not... Yes, you shoot
and stuff in it, but it's not primarily
a shooter.
Story horror.
That gives you a couple of weapons to dismember
freaky creatures it's not supposed to be a full-on shooter yeah no i get that like it make
i i i get it it's just i this is not for me it's not for me.
If you don't like... Well, okay, so you
don't mind slow-paced games. No,
there's a lot of slow-paced games that I was
a fan of, yeah. Death Stranding?
Have you seen or played that?
I've seen it, yeah.
I've not played it.
Okay. I completed,
finally, the Director's Cut.
It was actually genuinely amazing. I completed, finally, the Director's Cut. It was actually genuinely amazing.
You are basically a postman in the future,
and 90% of the game is you running across the countryside.
Yeah, the only thing I love about this game is you have a baby on your back or something.
Yeah, you've got a baby strapped to your chest it's really
weird and telling
anybody about it in public will get people
looking at you really weirdly
oh yeah there's this baby in a
pod you've got strapped to your chest and you connect
up with it so what
yeah
not one to really talk
about like that.
It's a bit weird.
Oh, I should play it at some point.
Wait, what?
Yeah, I... There are so many games out there that I just...
I've...
Need to...
My list of games that I want to play is just forever growing.
And sometimes games will move to the top of the list.
Like Elden Ring right now is at the top of the list.
Doesn't matter anything else that exists.
That's the next big new game I'm going to play.
Yeah, I have that problem.
I think probably a lot more than a lot of people, because I've got like 2600 and something games, I think, on Steam.
And that's just on Steam.
I mean, I went through the list of other systems I've got, you know, as well.
Yeah.
And obviously I'm adding to that every week.
Yeah.
Almost every day without fail, I'm adding something to that list.
And it's just...
I think when I finally retire,
when that day comes, I mean, I'm going to need a brain chip
that can go in, and so I can just close my play through.
Maybe Elon can sort that out with Neuralink.
Okay, we started with Elon.
No, okay.
I need to explain the marketing genius that was Elon today.
So you did see the Twitter API thing, yes?
Yeah, where they're basically turning off the twitter api
for free people and you have to pay for it this is the this is the 2000 iq play that he's had
okay so it's so it's great so turning off the free api everyone started running with numbers
for what the pricing was going to be
that were not the actual pricing.
It was like pricing for a different part of the API.
Right.
But he also put out this tweet saying,
uh,
I still don't find the exact tweet.
Something like it's only going to be a hundred dollars a month to get
access to the API.
Uh,
I'll find the exact tweet.
Um, yeah. to the API. I'll find the exact tweet.
Yeah, free APIs being abused badly right now by bot
scammers and opinion manipulators.
There's no verification process or cost,
so easy to spin up 100k bots
to do bad things. Just $100
a month for API access
with ID verification will clean
things up greatly. Now this is the
2000 IQ play. So everyone's pissed off about
$100 a month
Okay
This is what he did
the next thing he did so a
Reply to a random comment saying I guess we could give all verified users access to the API
we could give all verified users access to the API.
So he's got
rid of the free tier,
got it in your head that $100 is the
price, bring it down,
but still above where we started.
And people think it's
a good idea now.
I wouldn't put it
past him to just lump it in with the
verified system.
That was already a shit show when it released.
And it's just ridiculous.
In fact, I've got a Chrome plugin that will tell me if somebody has paid for Twitter Blue.
And it will replace the icon with a clown thing.
Which I'm very happy about. Now I can know whether somebody is actually a verified, like, organisation.
It's just a fucking clown.
I remember early on people were like, you know what?
If someone pays for Twitter Blue, we'll just all bully them.
And a lot of people have just accepted the fact that Twitter Blue now exists
and they're paying for
twitter yeah and the thing is i take the piss out of it oh absolutely i don't like i don't
particularly like twitter but then i've never liked twitter anyway even before elon owned it
i was never a fan of it because social media has a lot of problems and it's like people get behind
social media have a keyboard and
turn into shitheads yeah which obviously someone like me and you will have to deal with you know
a lot as creators and but the problem is that over time more and more is being gated behind
verified and at some point if i want the gaming on linux account on twitter to
make sense anymore at some point i'll have to pay for it probably otherwise i'll be buried under
everyone else and it's already happening which is quite quite annoying yeah there are
i was gonna say there are talks of like you know throttling the non-verified
account effectively just shadow banning the non-verified accounts uh because if you're
not verified you're probably a bot so that means you're not legitimate traffic on the website
you're not paying for it
for it all verified
is now
is that you've verified
somehow you've paid
and that could be with stolen
funds or anything
it doesn't verify shit
it verifies that you're capable
of getting a card
somehow and then putting details
to pay it's not verification
anymore it's fucking meaningless and that's why a card somehow and then putting details to pay. It's not verification anymore.
It's fucking meaningless
and that's why
I downloaded the Chrome plugin to turn
people who buy it into a clown.
Yeah, but here's the problem, right?
Twitter's going to go bankrupt
because Elon saddled
the company with a billion dollars of
interest payment a year, so
he's going to make the money back quickly yeah and he's just making mistake after mistake after mistake it's like when they
just completely banned mastodon and then they banned they said they were banning facebook and
instagram and the list just carried on and on and And obviously it's enabled stuff like Mastodon as a social network
to add, like, I think it's at least one million extra
sort of like monthly active people on the service, I think it was.
And it's kind of amazing, really.
And to give you like a comparison on just how bad Twitter actually is.
So the Gaming on Linux account, for example.
Right.
61,000 followers on the dot.
6-1-3-0s right now, I've just seen it, right?
On Mastodon, it has a fraction of the traffic of twitter when you think about it
and we've got 30 33 000 people on that wow the amount of hits and the amount of people
interacting with it is like a hundred fold on mastodon because twitter buries people who don't pay now it buries people who actually link and i'm sure i
i saw loads of chat and like things on this it will bury you more if you're sending people away
from twitter so if it's just a standard twitter post or you've included the picture within the
post or a video within the post it prioritizes you more than if it links to somewhere else.
And so this was what made me laugh about when Elon bought Twitter and he was
saying like,
we're one of the top traffic pushers in the world.
And it's like everybody who actually uses Twitter as any kind of creator and
organization knows it's not it's
crap it's like it gives you the tiniest amount because the algorithm has always pushed whatever
it wants instead of what people follow and half the people didn't even realize that they're even
i in fact that's a change right one thing I do like is the new for you feed which is a lot more
like TikTok there's a for you feed in the app and a following feed and you can just easily swipe
between them rather than a hidden button behind a couple of stars to change to your actual you
know chronological feed I actually quite like that. I think that was a good idea.
And it's working quite well.
What I'm waiting for...
So I don't use the main Twitter client.
I use TweetDeck.
Yeah, I'll definitely use TweetDeck.
I am waiting for TweetDeck to become a part of Twitter Blue.
Because it's going to happen.
They've been
redoing tweet deck
for a long time now, and
now on the pop-up in the corner,
try the new tweet deck.
Nope, I've tried it, and it's fucking horrible.
I didn't even notice.
Yeah, I've
actually added the pop-up
as a blocked thing in uBlock, so
it can never show me its face
again, because it's very, very annoying.
But, yeah,
they just took something that was working
perfectly, and they've
made it worse, basically.
Someone was telling me about this earlier today.
I don't...
Where the hell's the pop-up supposed to be?
Maybe it's just not showing up on my
side yet. I don't know.
Is this one of those times where because
I have so many followers
that it will show me something?
Maybe. I don't know.
Surely you could just Google
new tweet deck.
Yeah, that's what I'm going to do.
New tweet deck. Oh
God, what is
this?
What?
Okay.
Wait, here we go.
Why?
Wait, do we see ads
in here? Because I know that's one of the things
the tweet deck doesn't show.
Yeah, that's the great thing about
the current tweet deck. No adverts yeah that's the great thing about the current tweet deck no advert
amazing i'm surprised they let that go for so long to be honest
yeah why is this so bad it looks like they've just taken the twitter
like the the the main twitter client just crammed it into tweet deck
okay yeah yeah it does look a lot like that. It doesn't work very well either.
I can't imagine it does.
But as I said,
I'm waiting for it to become part of Twitter Blue because it will be.
Guarantee it.
Yeah, that would probably push me
much quicker to have
to pay for it.
Yeah, tweet deck. Honestly,
it's just a much better experience than the main client
like for any i i get used to the main client for like you know just casual usage but if you
do any sort of like you know you have multiple accounts you do any sort of businessy stuff with
twitter it just makes it so much easier yeah the mastodon does have a layout that is you know exactly like it any problem is that
you can't do like multiple accounts inside it so i just ended up signing up on my personal account
on a completely different instance because then i can just have two tabs open yeah yeah yeah
great and that like that is decentralization in action for something as simple
as that uh but we are closing in on the two hour mark so i think that should be pretty much it then. Let the people know
where they can find you,
where they can find your work, all that fun stuff.
Wait.
Yes.
I was going to try and show something.
Oh, you have something to show.
You can keep going for a bit.
I didn't quite set it up,
so...
It didn't work. So up so oh yeah never mind it didn't work
um yeah so
just gaming on Linux
Twitter Mastodon
YouTube
dot com
good branding that's
you know it's always nice when
someone just has like
consistency everywhere.
Because I don't.
I absolutely don't.
Because my Twitter is Brody on Linux.
My YouTube is Brody Robertson.
My Twitch is Brody on Games.
Because people took the name Brody Robertson in a lot of places.
This is the problem with using your name and not using something else that does remind me that i i tried some rebranding recently and it didn't go very
well and i i got stuck on youtube as go linux dude for weeks and it was the source of many jerks
unfortunately i mean it got to the point
where I was emailing, like,
can I please have my name
back? I was only testing something, and
you've locked it.
Never mind. But yeah, consistency
is key. Absolutely.
Yes, any other
things you want to mention?
Buy a Steam Deck. Buy a Steam Deck.
Buy a Steam Deck.
Yes, if you can.
Or parcel forward or something.
As for me, if you're listening to the audio version of this,
the video version is available on the YouTube at Tech Over Tea.
If you are watching the video, the audio version,
you can find any podcast platform.
There is an RSS feed, all that fun stuff.
Are you just going to go back to playing Fortnite?
Gaming channel Brody on games.
Currently playing through...
Actually, I think we might be done with pokemon now so i don't know
what's going to be in that slot uh also playing through god of war one and then main channel
main channel brody robertson linux videos six days a week all that fun stuff uh got any final words
buy a steam deck buy a steam deck
buy a steam deck
see you guys later