Tech Over Tea - The Golden Age Of Gaming On Linux | Liam Dawe

Episode Date: February 8, 2023

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Well, the game's called The Day Before, but they delayed it. And I'm sure it was like the day before they were going to release a trailer. Then they cancelled releasing the trailer because there was a trademark dispute on their name, which got it removed from Steam. It's now hidden on Steam. So for some reason that made them not show their trailer. But then they went back on that and showed the trailer. And it's literally 10 minutes of a character walking around.
Starting point is 00:00:26 Yep. Yep. And, yeah, I don't get the hype over it. I mean, it's just another really bland and generic-looking post-apocalypse zombie survival thing. And yet you've got sites like IGN constantlying on about it it's like they're obviously been paid oh without doubt yeah something like that yeah well i i started off the recording because i i wanted to capture that i was just gonna use a sound check and then you just kept
Starting point is 00:00:58 going um uh i'm gonna stop for just a moment And we'll get back to that Hi That start was kind of unplanned Welcome back to the show Liam How's it going? Yeah good thanks It's episode 154 I think Doesn't matter
Starting point is 00:01:17 No one pays attention to the number How's it going Mr. Nobody Invite you to do collabs You're like the only person Who ever invites me on something Uh, how's it going, Mr. Nobody invites you to do collabs? You're like the only person who ever invites me on something. It's funny. Just gotta, you know, put out more tweets being like, someone invite me to do something.
Starting point is 00:01:37 And then maybe, you know, maybe someone will bite then. Yeah, I mean, I'm always happy to do stuff. It's just finding time to do it in between everything else. That's totally fair. Well, it's two in the morning for me. So, you know, I can find time to do things. As much as I probably shouldn't, you know, be recording at two in the morning. But it's fine.
Starting point is 00:01:58 We're here anyway. We'll just see how I'm feeling an hour from now. I feel fine right now, but usually what happens is it just goes, and then I start being delusional halfway through, which is where it gets fun. Two o'clock in the morning, it's pretty standard times for what we do, isn't it?
Starting point is 00:02:18 Oh, pretty much. Look, I try to get to sleep at like a reasonable, you midnight 12 30 at like the latest but you know sometimes things happen and you just keep going and going and going yeah sounds familiar i mean i've jumped out of bed at midnight before to get something done so yeah but you've like we talked about that last time like you write like way too many uh way too many articles in gaming on linux like i i don't even know how many you do a day i know you were saying last time it's not like you know that much work that goes into them but even so the fact that just so many go up it still remains impressive to me yeah it's it's more the video side nowadays it takes a lot
Starting point is 00:03:10 of time right right like because i think i'm just about to hit 33 000 on youtube now and that's mostly only over the last one year oh wow because yeah like before the Steam Deck released, I pretty much mostly ignored YouTube. Like I wasn't bothered about it. We did a bit on Twitch, but I've never been a big fan of live streaming. It's really taxing on you. Yeah. But ever since the Steam Deck is out, yeah. I mean, it's practically all I do on the YouTube
Starting point is 00:03:41 because, well, you put up a Linux gaming video on desktop and nobody watches it. So it's just this pointless. Whereas you put one about the Steam Deck talking about, like, could be anything. You know, the views are like through the roof. Look, all you need now is some second device to become popular running Linux. Like, I did see about, like, the Aya Neo OS, which is, like, a Linux-based thing that's happening at some point.
Starting point is 00:04:11 That's what you need to make things really pop off. Not just the Steam Deck. You need more than one thing to talk about. I'm honestly surprised that people still care so much about Steam Deck content, though. Like, I'm not surprised the device became popular.
Starting point is 00:04:26 I'm just surprised that it sort of stayed as a thing that people are still excited for things to happen. Yeah, well, I see it a similar way as you see any kind of PC gaming, anything dedicated to Xbox, PlayStation, Switch, and so on. It's once you become any kind of pc gaming anything dedicated to xbox playstation switch and so on it's it's once you become a fan of something you want to go out there and watch and find more things on it and i think that's just stayed and i mean the deck's clearly popular i mean we learned i think it was around october last year that it sold like a million and only just recently they've expanded into asia so i mean
Starting point is 00:05:08 that that's a huge area and a lot of people and they love their handhelds so i mean it's only going to keep growing yeah and i uh i'm still waiting for them to you know offer sales in australia just let me give you money val and. Look, I know I can, like, you know, parcel forwarding, import, all that stuff, but Valve, just strike a deal with somebody. I know there are rumours, I think like last year or something
Starting point is 00:05:36 about discussions with EB Games, but nothing's happened on that front. There's no news about a possible Australia release. So, all of this stuff's happening all of this cool stuff with the steam deck all of these cool accessories coming out and i'm just sitting here being like okay valve something anything please yeah i've i imagine they're gonna release some more regions
Starting point is 00:06:03 officially this year. I mean, they kind of have to at this point because it's clearly got staying power. It's clearly popular. They're going to want to expand it as much as they can now. No, I totally get it being an issue early on with, you know, the whole chip shortage, all that. I do kind of wish they'd at least given some indication about what was happening in other regions even if at that time you weren't able to buy it was just like okay we plan to expand at this point like a an expansion roadmap um but then yeah i don't expect anything like that from no not from valve absolutely not um look it's a nice dream but yeah or look the other option right is open up like
Starting point is 00:06:48 have some sort of deal in the works and open up pre-orders and have the pre-orders be delivered like two or three years later just anything at all yeah they're still even though they're a lot more chatty nowadays like they've got a lot better at their communication they're still, even though they're a lot more chatty nowadays, like they've got a lot better at their communication. They're still a very closed company and they're not just going to give out stuff like that. But I would be very surprised in the next six, even just this next six months, if they haven't announced the least one more region.
Starting point is 00:07:19 Where are they selling now? So you've got the Asia regions, you've got us, is it all of europe or is it how does how does that work i think it is most of europe yes you've got the us it's not all of your it's all of the european union uh and the uk as well which is yeah um which is yeah and I don't think they do
Starting point is 00:07:46 any of like I think it's just European Union for Europe I don't think there's anything outside of that segment I could be wrong though someone will probably correct me it's limited yeah yeah yeah there's still a lot of places where they could expand to
Starting point is 00:08:02 I don't know where they would go to next what don't know where they would go to next. Like, what seems like the next logical expansion point? That's not something I would really understand. I mean, it would depend on, I guess, really, like, the country's size
Starting point is 00:08:19 more than anything, and what sort of things they would buy. I mean, Valve, valve i'm sure have that kind of research oh absolutely i would like the next one to be australia but it's not going to be well i i've i've already uh i'm already accepting the fact that there's probably not going to be any announcement for australia until a steam deck 2 happens That's probably what's going to happen. I think this year, before they announced
Starting point is 00:08:50 anything like that, in fact, I'm kind of expecting their new VR headset to come before that, before any more regions for the Steam Deck. I reckon I think it's codenamed the Deckard. But that one
Starting point is 00:09:06 actually sounds quite exciting for a couple of reasons as well though, not just because it's going to have, well if go by the patents, a wireless mode, but it's going to be built on Linux as well because you know what's going to be running that wireless mode and in the patents I'm sure it mentions directly
Starting point is 00:09:22 Linux as well so and you look at um game scope the the thing that basically controls all the displaying in gaming mode on the steam deck and you can use it on desktop as well that's had some vr stuff added to it as well so it's like i've not used vr in quite a while the last the last vr experience i had was with a vive yeah i think it was a vive a couple of years back i don't even know what the state of vr is like at this point or even what the state really is on uh specifically on linux like what not good not good okay i mean i've my valve index is down there beside me and it's just there's so many problems because it's like they released it and they do update steam
Starting point is 00:10:19 vr and stuff a fair bit but it's like when they put it out, they didn't really bother with the Linux side of it all that much really ever. And you can understand it now that the Steam Deck's out because a huge amount of just their complete hardware focus just shifted over to that. And because it's obviously massively more popular than VR anyway, well, it doesn't take a genius to know why they're focusing on that but from all the leaks and patents and stuff that we've seen of the deckyard i mean i think it's going to be quite exciting as long as it's not as expensive as the index was that
Starting point is 00:10:57 was a big barrier i think how much was the index because the index is still a thousand pounds for the full kit uh geez that okay and you've got to bear in mind even when it was released a bunch of like the tech like the screens in it was like years behind and like now you see all the different types of screens and screen technology coming out and it's it needs an upgrade, especially at that price. It's just kind of ridiculous now, really. Yeah, I'm looking at this really. How much did it cost to get one here? It's $2,000.
Starting point is 00:11:36 Yeah. It's a big problem. It's a really big problem, because VR is amazing, because I played through and completed Half-Life Alyx. And that was one of my top five all-time gaming experiences in my entire life. It was just absolutely wild. Amazing. And it wasn't just a showcase of VR. It was a showcase of how good Valve can be at making games as well.
Starting point is 00:12:06 Which everybody knows, but it was like their first proper full story game in a long time. Wait, what was the last game before that Valve actually released? Well, they also did Dota Underlords, which... What the hell is Dota Underlords? So, the auto chess became really popular. Oh, right. And so Valve decided to jump in on that. They made Dota Underlords because, you know,
Starting point is 00:12:37 they don't want to jump in on the new IP for some reason. And that sort of started popular, and then it just completely dropped off really fast and they just haven't bothered with it again and I think before that the last one was probably Artifact their completely failed card game so they haven't
Starting point is 00:12:55 exactly had a lot of luck really when it comes to games yeah I wonder why Valve doesn't make games anymore it's a mystery. Although they've had loads of leaks lately, though, of, like, lots of old builds of their games.
Starting point is 00:13:12 A lot of game companies have that. I've seen the the, uh, what is it? The rebuild project for Duke Nukem. That's been a really cool project to follow. Yeah, yeah. I've watched a bit of that, and so one of the videos
Starting point is 00:13:28 they released, one of their early trailers, did look pretty good. I never really get the excitement behind these early releases though, because it's like, well, the finished product's already out and amazing, so why do you care about what came before? I get it with a lot of games. With
Starting point is 00:13:44 Duke Nukem, it's a bit different because the finished game was never really the same game yeah yeah in that in that case i i can understand that but not for the valve games like early prototypes of like left for dead and portal and stuff it's like the games are amazing so i think it's neat as like a historical piece but like you know people are always going to be like easter egg hunting and games things like that so seeing what a game was like at some point it's it's neat if nothing else you can sort of see how a game evolves and got to the point where it became that finished product. Yeah, I was definitely more interested in... There was a documentary that was done
Starting point is 00:14:31 that showed off some cancelled games that were being made, and that was really cool. I think it was Ravenholm was going to be another Half-Life game, and that looked really interesting. So if anybody hasn't seen that, go and check it. I...
Starting point is 00:14:50 What if I tell you I've never actually played Half-Life? That's... Why? I've been meaning to for so long. It's been sitting in my Steam library for years, and I've just never gotten around to actually playing it. Disappointed in you, man. I will play it at some point.
Starting point is 00:15:13 In all seriousness, though, the original is good, but if you are going to jump into it, you definitely want to get Black Mesa instead, which was the you know third party developer took the original and sort of remade it kept the story essence and so on but it actually looks good by sort of modern standards as well yeah which is another really cool thing that valve do is letting people make things like that i still find that amazing i was gonna say i remember it coming out a few years ago it
Starting point is 00:15:45 came out in 2015 this is a bit more than a few years ago at this point really yeah no wait no wait it was no 2020 wait what what is this it was it was in like early access oh that makes sense okay okay yeah my bad it was only released in fall in 2020. Okay. Wikipedia is lying to me. Cool. The Steam page has the actual date, March 2020. Okay.
Starting point is 00:16:13 So it definitely was a few years back then, sure. But I do remember hearing about it way earlier. So that's, I guess that's why that threw me off as well. I will play it at as well. I will play it at some point. I'll probably end up streaming it at some point, just because people have been asking me to play it for a while. There's a lot of a lot of, like,
Starting point is 00:16:33 you know, classic series that I never really got a chance to play when I was younger. Right now, I'm streaming God of War 1, like the original PS2 God of War. The really originals, right, okay. I thought you meant the new, like, 2018 God of War,
Starting point is 00:16:54 which I only just finished myself. I'll be playing that as well, but... Yeah, like, I've only recently played Devil May Cry as well, because I didn't really get that many games as a kid, so there's a lot of these PS2 games and older games that I just never got a chance to play. Ooh, what do you have there? That's the good thing about these.
Starting point is 00:17:16 Mmm! I get to make you very jealous again. Ooh, you got the Switch skin for it. Oh yeah, so, Debrand sent me the Switch skin for it. Oh, yeah, so... DeBrand sent me the Switch skin, so the only bits left on it are the left and right.
Starting point is 00:17:34 Because the problem with doing skins, like, I don't know if I can really show you right now, because I've got this case on it from DeBrand as well this is this is the kill switch case that they had to redesign because they made it with magnets which is really really bad but um oh wow just putting on this case has ruined it but um i don't you can see
Starting point is 00:18:02 like a piece of the corners gone up there but the the skins are really really hard to to get around corners properly because you end up with like lots of bumps yep that you can try and rub them out but it's really difficult or you get like air bubbles and you have to try and get them out and I had the skin all across the back of it, and they've got like a fuzzy Nintendo logo that they've intentionally blurred on the skin as well, which is quite funny. But you've got to heat it up, so you need a hairdryer to put the skin on properly
Starting point is 00:18:35 because you have to heat, is it vinyl? I think it's vinyl. Whatever it is, yeah. To then smooth it down properly. And I noticed there was bubbles on the back after I took the picture and posted it everywhere. So then I to take it off but if you leave it too long the actual like adhesive comes away from the vinyl and then it's ruined so the only bits left on this one now unfortunately but it still looks pretty cool in here though it does look pretty cool yeah
Starting point is 00:19:00 look we could see you oh wow that's a massive delay. Jesus. Yeah, but getting back to the point that playing classic games, like I was the same as you. I had basically nothing when I was a kid. But sitting there in bed, you know, playing like a PlayStation Classic or something or a Nintendo Classic. You're sat there and it's really good. You should get one. Oh wait, you can't.
Starting point is 00:19:31 I'll get myself an Aya Neo. Yeah, actually you could probably buy one from one of these different companies to be fair. Because I'm sure they all ship around the world. Surely. Aya Neo. to be fair. Because I'm sure they all ship around the world. Surely. Surely. Oh, yeah, they literally...
Starting point is 00:19:53 Okay, yeah, they are selling, but it's also $2,100 to get this one, at least. See, that's one of the major problems with all these... Well... Other journalists like to call them Steam Deck Killers. And they keep doing this with devices that only do streaming as well. And they're calling it Steam Deck Killer. And it's like, well, it's not.
Starting point is 00:20:23 It's either double the freaking price or it only does streaming. It's not killing anything apart from, well, it's going to make a hole in your wallet and you're going to forget about it after a couple of months. Look, Steam Deck, I get the sort of marketing term,
Starting point is 00:20:41 the article title, but like, like yeah that's what it is like it's good for the clicks i guess for the first couple but yeah when when you see how ridiculously priced that is i think it's going to turn away sort of the vast majority of people. I think the streaming is probably less of an issue than the price. I don't think there's going to be anything that can possibly compete with Valve on the pricing. Just because Valve can do what traditional game consoles do, where they can sell at a loss or at production cost, which no one else can do that
Starting point is 00:21:25 because they will just go out of business. The other major problem that I have with companies, and I'm not being specific to any of them, this covers all of them, like Aya Neo, GPD, 1X Player, there's a couple more. They keep producing these handhelds which now some of them do have more powerful internals than the steam deck in some ways but the deck is kind
Starting point is 00:21:54 of unique in the way it uses the components that it still can keep the performance level pretty pretty close but they make these devices and then within a couple months like they're announcing their next one and crowdfunding that and then they keep doing that because obviously they don't have the level of sales that someone like valve will with the steam deck and so my biggest problem with anyone buying from there is like what kind of long-term support are you expecting when after you buy it a couple months after they've moved on to their next one well especially which i think will be good when steam os3 actually releases to the public so these other device makers can use it and like the support button is is much more shared then because well you've got all the people in the open source community
Starting point is 00:22:43 hacking away on drivers and things all the time. And all the people will have to do is just update SteamOS to the next one and keep their devices going. But that's a long argument about open source and companies. I don't know what the deal would be. I don't know if Valve has any specifics for people using that with devices they're shipping i've not looked at licensing i don't know if there's anything special with their distro if that's i'm sure that they've probably got some documentation somewhere about
Starting point is 00:23:17 whether you can sell a device using cmos um they have already said um in previous interviews and things um that one of the reasons that they are you know looking forward to actually releasing steam os 3 is so that other people can use it and that includes you know other hardware vendors because it's it's another interesting thing about how valve operates that they're not seeing the likes of GPD and A&E and so on as competitors because they're not. They're going to be on Steam anyway. Yeah, if they can get them as well
Starting point is 00:23:52 to install SteamOS then it's just more money for Valve. Either way, if they don't install SteamOS, everyone's going to buy the games from Epic and Ubisoft? No. They're going to want to be on steam because that's that's where their games are yep but the benefit obviously of steam os compared with something like windows is
Starting point is 00:24:15 the way they've made it and the way they've made the steam deck ui and all the built-in extra controls it's just it's all they've already made for it. Whereas with Windows, I've seen the kind of tweaks that people keep saying they have to do to get it to be workable properly on something like Steam Deck. And frankly, it just sounds like a big pain in the ass. Every time I see any announcement about like some Steam Deck update,
Starting point is 00:24:40 some Steam Deck feature, anything like that, there is someone in the comment section asking about better Windows drivers every single time. And every time I see an update as well, there's complaints. I see it on my own channel of people like, it broke my
Starting point is 00:24:56 dual boot again. And it's like, well, at no point has Valve said it's supported. They made it specifically clear. They've given out the drivers as is, and that's it. And it's actually, that's another point that's quite interesting. If you look at the Steam hardware survey, when you look at the amount that's actually running SteamOS, you see it basically matches to the AMD's custom GPU in the hardware survey.
Starting point is 00:25:26 And you can basically see that practically no one uses Windows on it. It does. So even though it might, it's one of those things, again, you see a lot of these comments on Reddit and across YouTube and so on about people about talking about using Windows on it. But the stats already show for once they're in a minority on something. It's quite fun. Well, like, I don't doubt there are people doing it.
Starting point is 00:25:52 Like, I'm sure those people who say they're using Windows or trying to use Windows are doing it. But you've got this perfectly... Like, you're going to have a worse experience using Windows, like, maybe you're gonna have better game compatibility, but you lose out on the SteamOS experience, you lose out on this thing that just works out of the box, it's all of this extra effort to not really get that much benefit, like, there are, The list of games that don't work under Linux and under SteamOS at this point is shrinking every single day I'm I think that's the thing that I'm most impressed about how many games that I had never expected
Starting point is 00:26:37 Like not just working under Linux Developers actively saying we are going to make sure this works on the Steam Deck. We have this update, we have this version, it works on the Steam Deck. Like, that's awesome. It is causing issues in certain cases where the game works on the Steam Deck and not on Linux.
Starting point is 00:26:59 But, that's a whole separate issue. Yeah, that was one recently. It was forespokenoken it had something that they put in there specifically for steam deck but the way they did it meant it wouldn't run on a normal linux desktop or laptop but you could get around it by setting steam deck equals one in the launch options for the game and then it would go oh you, you're playing on the Steam Deck, I'll let you in now. But then you also have the likes of Ubisoft,
Starting point is 00:27:31 who recently, they updated Ubisoft Connect, and when they did it, it broke basically all of their games that use Ubisoft Connect on Steam Deck and Linux desktop. But it just goes to show how reactive and Valve are being on the support. When, what was it, within a day, they had it fixed.
Starting point is 00:27:51 It was kind of amazing. But again, with Ubisoft, it's about the testing. They released The Division 2 amongst quite a few of their other games on Steam, because they're coming back to Steam now. And I believe it was here again within one day.
Starting point is 00:28:09 Even Ubisoft directly had fixed the Division 2 with the anti-cheat side to have it work. And it's amazing to see it's such a different world now that you've got publishers like Ubisoft now going, oh, it's not working? Okay, we'll actually fix it. Mm-hmm. What?
Starting point is 00:28:28 Like, two years ago, no, you wouldn't have seen anything even remotely similar. Yeah, I remember there were a lot of games, I think this was when the Steam Deck was first announced, like, before it was released. There were a couple of games I was looking at where people went into the forums like, hey guys, Steam Deck's coming out soon, is this game gonna work under Linux? Dead silence. All of like 10,
Starting point is 00:28:58 20 pages of comments about it, dead silence. Not a single comment from the developers. Steam Deck comes out. Hey, look. Guys, we've always loved Linux. We can make like... See, I see the opposite end of this because I speak to developers
Starting point is 00:29:19 and publishers hundreds per week. And sometimes in thousands even. just because there's so many games sure things happening in the background and a lot of them are saying things like yeah we support the steam deck but we have no support of linux and it's like a few times just for fun to you know have a little chuckle to myself i'll'll reply and say, but the Steam Deck runs Linux. So what do you mean? What level of support are you meaning here?
Starting point is 00:29:50 Are you testing it? Are you just relying on Proton? Have you even clicked play on it? It's just weird now that we've gone from absolutely no Linux support at all to developers and publishers now emailing me directly like, hey, check this out. We've tested it's working on Steam Deck. Okay, cool. Anything about Linux desktop? No, sorry, we don't support Linux.
Starting point is 00:30:16 Surely by now you should know that it runs on Linux. But I get what they're saying. It's a single device and that's what they're testing. And that's one thing that we need to get over as well at some point i think which sorry uh i was gonna say i'm hoping that the steam os release will help with stuff like that as well because you see a lot of comments about people wanting to use it on their desktop and so on. Even though there have been issues with the Steam Deck and the general Linux support being technically different things, overall, it has been a better result on desktop Linux.
Starting point is 00:30:57 Like, even with those weird edge cases, like Persona 4 Overworld, when that came out, Denuvo freaked out on desktop Linux, but the game worked just fine on Steam Deck. It was like a patch thing you had to mess around with Proton. They got it fixed in like a day or so. But most games out there sort of trickle down out to general Linux as well.
Starting point is 00:31:23 Usually, whatever they're doing, with the exception of weird cases like DRM and anti-cheat, most of the time, getting it working on the Steam deck will give you better results on Linux. Like, when they're dealing with cutscenes, for example,
Starting point is 00:31:38 not using weird, archaic codecs that cause issues on Linux. That's going to improve stuff on the Steam deck, and that's also going to improve stuff for desktop Linux as well. Most games at this point are just working fine on Linux, and this is awesome.
Starting point is 00:31:56 Yeah, well, that's because of Proton. It's all because of Proton. Because, obviously, it's not translating Windows calls specifically to a Steam Deck. It's translating it to what Linux understands.
Starting point is 00:32:12 So basically all updates to Proton to make games work will benefit both Steam Deck and Linux Desktop. Unless you have times like Forspoken when they put very specific Steam Deck stuff in there that doesn't really work properly. But then Valve's kind of worked around that already anyway.
Starting point is 00:32:32 So, I mean, it's stuff like that doesn't even stay a problem for long. And Steam Deck has been out since February, a year this month now. Oh, wow. a year this month now. Oh, wow. And I believe there's only been, there's only two games that I know of that worked on Steam Deck, but not on Linux desktop.
Starting point is 00:32:52 Only two that I actually know of, of notable names. There's probably a couple more, but the point is it's a tiny fraction. So it's really not a problem. Well, even then, the games that were like that, I don't know of any that weren't fixed.
Starting point is 00:33:11 Like, they were like that at launch. At launch, there was definitely a couple of games like that, but they got quickly addressed with Proton, unless there's something else that you're thinking of. Because the only ones that I know of are for Spoken, Episode 5 Royal. There might be something else, though.
Starting point is 00:33:29 There's Rogue Company. That one worked really nicely on Steam Deck, but from what I'm looking at, it didn't work on desktop for some reason. Right, okay okay i don't think that was ever fixed i think it might still be an issue but that was more as i understand it an issue with the anti-cheat specifically so it's nothing really to do with the proton translation layer um but again anti-cheat is just one of those things that is it's going to be a problem unfortunately for a long time i i i only played one multiplayer game and i don't it doesn't have anti-cheat so i just never deal with the problem the only multiplayer game i play is ff14 the only
Starting point is 00:34:17 problem that game's had is the launch has been busted for a couple of years and they finally got it finally it's working but you know just just use the 14 launcher it's not a problem um i've never had an issue with the launcher you just never use the never use the default launcher and it's not a problem yeah launchers are the big issue again as well so anti anti-cheat. So DRM is not even a particularly big issue. Like Denuvo works absolutely fine. Yeah, I'm not sure why it freaked out with some players. I don't know if it actually does its job on Steam Dex and Linux desktop or not.
Starting point is 00:34:57 But I mean, it doesn't stop games from running. The issue with Denuvo is I came across this recently when I was trying to fix, I believe it was Ghost recon breakpoint and because i was swapping between different versions of proton i then couldn't play on my desktop yeah because it detected five different variations and gone nope yeah but then i went back to the play it again on the steam deck and it was like nope so then i had to change back to another it again on the Steam Deck, and it was a noob. So then I had to change back to another different version of Proton that it remembered, and then it let me play. So I was like, oh, God.
Starting point is 00:35:33 Denevo is just a menace to real players. Well, yeah, that was one of the issues that actually got in the way of people testing um so i was saying persona 5 because it wasn't working for whatever reason so you'd have developers who were getting 24 hour bans from the game because they were trying to test out proton fixes so they only just they only luckily got it done in the first day because they were burning through developers who just kept getting banned yeah it's it's not good i mean stuff like denuvo is i i know why they do it i don't agree with why they do it because piracy is a service problem well it was that was said by i believe valve's own gabe newell yeah who said piracy is
Starting point is 00:36:21 a service problem if you improve the service to a point where people want to use it and they practically solved that with steam over time anyway but it's yeah it's just just one of those things that's really annoying along with launches like you had the EA app like two or three times completely broke and again Valve fixed it within Proton then Ubisoft Connect decided to do the exact same thing and break it
Starting point is 00:36:53 but it all leads back to my point earlier about these other companies making these devices then moving on to the next one it's the level of support whereas with Valve you basically know what you're getting making these devices then moving on to the next one yes the level of support whereas we're with valve you know you basically know what you're getting and you know well at least this point it seems like it's going to be a long-term thing i yeah i can't see them dropping it like
Starting point is 00:37:18 i i don't know what their future plans are but I know they've said that they want this to be a multi-generational product. What that really means going forward, when we could possibly expect a Steam Deck 2, I wouldn't even begin to be able to guess when. But it seems like, especially now that it might not be the best selling console of all time but it's clearly sold well enough that valve is going to continue it at least one more generation whether it goes on from there sort of up to what happens at that point um but this is just a continuation of valves when did they do steam machines how many years ago was that the machines was 2013 yeah that was that i'll never know long after steam was actually released properly for linux i'll never get over the fact that Steam Machines were the dumbest idea that Valve ever had because if they if Steam Machines happened when Proton happened it would be a whole
Starting point is 00:38:31 different story like how like I'm sure that they were they're probably kicking themselves they didn't do it like they they hadn't thought of those ideas around the same time. Because there was no world where Steam machines were going to be this big thing. They didn't have the developer support. They were never going to get the developer support. Proton... As soon as I hit the scene, that's been the right way to do it from the start. I know there's a lot of people out there who really wish we had you know native linux games and devs develop games with linux in mind but i don't care i really don't i just want the games to work i'm i'm long past the argument
Starting point is 00:39:20 i'm happy that the idea is dead at this point. It's the, the people don't get me wrong. I mean, I understand why people want to see a native Linux games being built. I, I understand that. And it does have its merits, but there's no user share to support the work involved in it.
Starting point is 00:39:43 The only reason valve can do it is because, well, they sell all of the games, so it doesn't matter to them. They can burn for a bit of money to make more people buy more games. I mean, it's only good business for them. But when Proton's as good as it is, I mean, like you were saying, most games will run out of the box. It's happening more and more all the time compatibility is just improving all of the time there's obviously known issues like some launchers
Starting point is 00:40:11 and anti-cheat and so on but when you've got proton there and it will just mostly go you hit play and then it's there isn't it shouldn't that be what people care about? Really? The issue is more that people should be worried about is support. Not what it was compiled for, not what coding language it's using, not the platform
Starting point is 00:40:40 it was specifically built for. It's whether the developer is going to support it. That is the only thing that should actually matter. Are they supporting it and does it work? That's it. That should be end of discussion, really, on that. But a lot of people will argue otherwise. But you're talking about 1% of people of an already tiny one
Starting point is 00:41:06 percent market that want native linux only it's a losing battle when if there's a day when the market share hits like i don't know 50 then it's kind of like right so now maybe it's actually a discussion that's kind of important but then then when you've also got Proton, which sometimes can even do Windows compatibility better than Windows itself. It's kind of like, well, hmm. Maybe targeting Proton directly is kind of a better idea in a lot of ways. directly is kind of a better idea in a lot of ways because they can fix things in it and have it fix whatever whatever game is broken and then that behavior will obviously fix other games as well yeah and you've got and it's open source and a lot of the time that people talk about like oh no i'm not going to buy it because it's not native to linux it's like well it's closed
Starting point is 00:42:05 source anyway and by using proton you're using an open source project supported by one of the biggest companies in gaming and if something ever happened to them well it's open source so other people can carry it on anyway it's but the more i've thought about it over the last year or two, just the more right now that it just makes sense just to not give a shit whether it uses Proton or it's native, really. My screen's about to turn off. Stop that. I, look, if a dev wants to go and have a native Linux version I think
Starting point is 00:42:46 let me just double check, I want to say Hollow Knight has a native Linux version yes it does it does? I'm not against native at all of course, I mean if a developer is going to do a native Linux version and support it then, I mean that's fine
Starting point is 00:43:03 that's great that's the point I was getting at if you're going to do a native Linux version and you're going to do a native Linux version and support it, then that's fine. That's great. If you're going to do a native Linux version and you're going to do it well, go ahead. If you like Linux, you want to support Linux, whatever. Go ahead and do so.
Starting point is 00:43:20 But if the idea of having a Linux build is just we compiled it for Linux. We didn't test it. Just have fun. Yeah, exactly. I'd much rather the focus be on just, even if it's just the focus on getting it working well on the Steam Deck,
Starting point is 00:43:40 that's a much better result than throwing it out there and not caring. Yeah. Well, a lot of the things that developers and this is happening a lot now, actually developers fixing stuff specifically for Steam Deck, which is cool. But a lot of things that the developers are doing for it benefits everyone, like making sure text clarity is better putting in better
Starting point is 00:44:06 font resolutions ui scaling gamepad support you know even optimizing the the game performance for the lower end of the steam deck compared to you know high-end pcs all of these things benefit everyone, and anybody who complains about it is mad. Earlier you were mentioning Forspoken. I've not played the game myself. I have seen... I've seen a bit of a playthrough of it, and I've certainly seen
Starting point is 00:44:39 the scene that everyone memed on the... I did that? You did that? I did that. I did. I also want to listen to the, because it's made by Luminous Production, Square Enix subsidiary. I've listened to the Japanese audio.
Starting point is 00:44:59 It's considerably less cringy in the Japanese audio. For anyone listening, Frey is voiced by J uh, Jolene's, uh, voice actress, so it's a lot less annoying than Frey is in the English version. But, um, I, I, I knew the name Luminous Studio, Luminous Production, uh, rung a bell, but I couldn't work out why until I looked at the other game they made. That was the subsidiary of Square Enix that made Final Fantasy 15 which was a... that was a video game that people know how I feel about. It's not a good it's really not i just don't get the price on it what is in uk in uk pounds it is 64.99 uh and for for what i've seen of it it's just in absolutely no way does it seem like it's worth $64.99. $114 in Australia.
Starting point is 00:46:09 Wait, what? Wait, how much is Elden Ring? $90. It's like $30 cheaper to buy Elden Ring. Yeah, and you will get probably a lot more enjoyment out of Elden Ring.
Starting point is 00:46:25 Even if you don't like difficult games, you'll probably still like Elden Ring more. Why is it so expensive? I don't get it either. I don't understand why it's so expensive. Okay. Look, it's... From what I've seen of it, it seems like a remotely entertaining game. I wouldn't pay full price for it, but if it was like $30 on sale, $20 on sale, maybe a bit worth it?
Starting point is 00:46:59 It seems like a 30, 40 pound game max. Mm-hmm. Square Enix doesn't really have anything right now, that's the problem. Because they've a lot of the games they've released recently have sort of been I wouldn't say flops, but
Starting point is 00:47:20 definitely not hits. Yeah, it's been a little bit since they've had, like, a big title. But outside of Final Fantasy. Yeah. Because Final Fantasy XIV... I'm just looking over there. XIV's basically the only thing keeping them afloat right now. Because they put out Crisis Core, Final Fantasy, Seven Reunion.
Starting point is 00:47:51 It's a Final Fantasy game, though. Tactics Ogre Reborn. Huh? Harvest Stella. And, like, yeah, I'm looking at the... Even just going by the review count and, like, the amount of people online playing them, none of them have sold particularly well. So, yeah, I don't think they're having a great time right now, which is probably one of the reasons that Forspoken is so outlandishly expensive.
Starting point is 00:48:21 I mean, that is just a ludicrous price. Look, clearly someone's buying it. They might be returning it shortly after, but there's their reviews on Steam, so people are buying it, even if it's just to mock the game.
Starting point is 00:48:39 I don't understand why anybody would waste their money to buy a game to mock it, or to leave a bad review. And I know people do this. I just scrolled down, releasing a game like that for 79 euros is cheeky. It's one of the first reviews I see. Yeah, it's not even remotely highly rated either.
Starting point is 00:49:01 Yeah, it seems like it's very mixed right now. I'll play it one day, probably, maybe. Someone just screamed outside my window. That's a bit concerning. As you do. Okay. Hello? Hello?
Starting point is 00:49:24 I don't know. Like... Hi. Hello? Uh. I don't know. Like. I don't. It's like. It's a good looking. Okay. If you know the character.
Starting point is 00:49:38 Animations on the faces. It's a good looking game. Because they're not great. They're really not very good But like you know the world design the effect animator like the effects all look good But that's a lot of money that's a lot of money But I don't know Play whatever you like if you enjoy the game. I don't know. Play whatever you like. If you enjoy the game, I don't care.
Starting point is 00:50:07 Enjoy whatever video games you want to play. I'm going to go play, you know, something else that's not bespoken. Did you ever actually use Stadia? I didn't. I've not actually... Have I done any cloud gaming before? What? Not no... I didn't I've not actually have I done any cloud gaming before not
Starting point is 00:50:28 maybe like once or twice I've not used stadia definitely not have you done any cloud gaming at all it would have been a couple of years since I'd last done some I don't actively do any cloud gaming that was kind of sad in a way to see it go but that business model i don't know what they were
Starting point is 00:50:56 thinking for anyone who's got it give people a bit of a recap on how they were doing that so everyone was kind of expecting like a netflix of games sort of deal and the the technology that they used to stream games was actually when it came out probably the best i mean it was the most seamless way to do some cloud gaming. You literally open the browser window, click the play button, and you were there in game. And it was fast as well, which was a good thing. And like the input lag on it was good as well. But the problem was Google had a history of cancelling everything. That's one way to put it. But it wasn't just that.
Starting point is 00:51:42 that's one way to put it but it wasn't just that the biggest problem of it wasn't just the fact that everybody knows Google cancels everything eventually apart from Android and their search engine but everything else for now but the business model
Starting point is 00:51:58 was you could either pay a certain amount per month for their pro account, which would give you access to 4K streams, which is kind of like, okay, but you realize most people won't have a 4K screen anyway, but fine. And that would also give you a couple of free games
Starting point is 00:52:22 to add to your account every month, which you could only access if you kept up your subscription. Right. But on top of that, they also had full price games that you could buy from them, but you would only have access from them. And so when they shut it down, obviously everybody lost access to it. But in their credit, I will give Google credit though, how they handled the shutdown of Stadia is kind of like
Starting point is 00:52:52 showing up other companies who've shut things down in a really bad way because they refunded practically everything. I was really surprised when I heard that. I think one of the only things they didn't refund was your Stadia Pro subscription. That makes sense. I... That's fine.
Starting point is 00:53:16 But, I mean, saying that... Like, I... Right. Stadia controller. It is... one of the most comfortable controllers. I can't see you anymore. Oh, no. What have I done?
Starting point is 00:53:36 My camera likes to do that sometimes as well. Is it going to level out? That's a good question. Are we just going to be like this the rest of the time? Hello? Uh, cover it... Oh, that works, maybe. I'll do this.
Starting point is 00:53:51 There we... Better? Yes, we're good now. Okay. Well, I won't do that again. Wow. I need a new camera, I think. But the Stadia controller is, without a a doubt one of the most...
Starting point is 00:54:07 If I just hold it here... Haha! It won't do it, okay? I don't have a Stadia controller, I only have one. Here's a PS5 and a Xbox One controller. Well, if we're gonna be doing this, I mean, I've got a Steam controller. Wow! An Xbox controller.
Starting point is 00:54:33 I can keep going for a while. My favourite controller right now is the PS5 controller. I use this pretty much for everything where I have PlayStation prompts. But yeah, Stadia controller. Yeah. It's really comfortable.
Starting point is 00:54:49 And so on all the refunds they did, you kept the hardware because obviously they don't want it. So you've got a free controller out of it. I've got a free Chromecast Ultra out of it. And they refunded every game that I bought on there. I mean, I was like 200 quids up easily wow um yeah and they even enabled the bluetooth for the stadia controller but they're only going to be doing that until i believe it's december this year so be quick um
Starting point is 00:55:28 december this year so be quick um yeah it's just it was an example of how to shut down a service gracefully i think but not many companies could refund to the level that they could because much like steam and google just basically print money really don't they yeah well the difference with a lot of other companies is if they start up a cloud streaming service, that's in many cases going to be their entire business. Google, you know, Stadia going out of business is sort of just like a decimal point on their tax return. Like that's not a big deal to them. They could just, they don't care. Yeah, they've probably got some sort of tax write-off for it. In fact, of course they would.
Starting point is 00:56:12 They've refunded it, so it's not revenue for them. So it actually probably didn't really cost them all that much when you think about it. But they were up against GeForce Now, which obviously just kept getting better and better. And with that, you're playing games you already own from other services. There was just no way that buy full price games from us and you'll only ever have it from us. That kind of model is just not going to work.
Starting point is 00:56:41 There's no way. I think one of the problems that Google also had is not only is google really good at killing things off they're also really bad at they're really bad at marketing new things they have uh i've said this a couple of times before but what they should have done is on YouTube, you know, under a video where it's like, hey, this is the game in this video. If that game is available on Stadia, they should have
Starting point is 00:57:13 a play on Stadia button right next to it. They planned that, and they planned to have it in their search results as well, and they just never did it. There's just too many missteps it was yeah it was never gonna live very long i'm i'm i'm very curious to see where cloud gaming goes into the future because i think as much as you know the the the hardcore elitist game is like
Starting point is 00:57:48 oh no you gotta play it on hardware only ever on your own computer we can never have cloud gaming for a lot of people out there i think it actually is a really compelling idea, especially right now where buying, you know, even mid-tier hardware is prohibitively expensive, I think there is absolutely a place for cloud gaming. For most games, it's certainly an issue with anything that's, like, high action and requires very like low input latency but there's a lot of other games out there where or just if you're fairly casual in the game where it just doesn't matter yeah um that was one of the things about about the steam deck is is about the price of hardware you know to build a phone a full desktop including the monitors and everything else your speakers your graphics card your cpu ram is massively expensive nowadays to get good performance at things and you also had
Starting point is 00:59:01 all the chip shortages as well whereas i, I mean, just buy this. And then if you want to, you know, go make it bigger, you've got all the different docs from either Valve or JZUX, iVola and loads of other companies who keep emailing me that we've just made a brand new doc for the Steam Deck. Do you want to take a look? No, because I mean, it's exactly the same as every other dock and then you can hook it up to a monitor which is like what i do all the time i've got i've got a dock here i've got a dock in my bedroom i've got a dock downstairs in my living room so if i want to i'll just dock it in there and play it on a big screen
Starting point is 00:59:39 it's happy days and the thing with cloud gaming as well, I mean, it is actually quite good on devices like this because not only is it not taking up drive space, but certain bigger games won't work very well on either the Steam Deck or one of these other devices coming out, whereas it might actually work quite well streamed and because the streaming services are getting so powerful nowadays the input lag is like practically not there i mean yet you're always going to have input lag i mean even a mouse
Starting point is 01:00:21 connected over usb to your pc has some form of input lag. I mean, it's just that's the way of things. But there were comparisons actually some time ago done between things like Xbox, GeForce Now, Stadia and so on. And I believe they did it again with the latest upgrade to GeForce Now. And it was showing like the latency was better than some consoles and it's like well if it's getting to that stage yeah cloud gaming is definitely something that will be good for a lot of people it's all about the price and understanding in in some of them that you don't own the games like um Xbox cloud gaming you don't own any of those games and games like netflix will go in and out of it
Starting point is 01:01:08 which is interesting because xbox have basically made netflix for games with their cloud gaming service which if i say the problem is i have two steam decks and i can never remember what on which of them and i don't know if I've got it on here or not because I was just gonna demonstrate I forgot this service even existed there's so many different
Starting point is 01:01:37 I think nope I think there's two models here that make the most sense, and neither of them is what Sadia was doing. You've got the Netflix for games, and you've got what NVIDIA does. Those, I think, are the two models that make the most sense for cloud gaming.
Starting point is 01:02:00 Yeah. Maybe some will come with something different over time. I don't have a model that makes any kind of sense yeah buying like you know a hundred and twenty dollars for for spoken like that that would make no sense if you just have it on that one service oh there we go. Right. Okay. So. Yes. This. So this is a Linux device.
Starting point is 01:02:31 Okay. Steam OS 3. And I'm now doing Xbox Cloud Gaming. Ooh. So it should now be loading up. If I've done this right. Fortnite. Oh, there you go. There's be loading up if i've done this right fortnight oh there you go there's fortnight loading up and i can just do that over wi-fi on a linux device i mean it's like
Starting point is 01:02:53 it's crazy what you think the internet and just technology as a whole can enable you to do and especially for companies like epic games where they just well they just refuse to actually support linux really don't they yep yep i don't i don't know what uh what the deal is with epic because what like the ceo has been like, yeah, you know, Steam Deck, great device. It looks so cool. We're not bringing Fortnite 2. It's not going to happen. Definitely not.
Starting point is 01:03:33 Yeah, it's a lot of market share problem again. Sure, yeah. Like, it goes back into the whole native linux versus proton i mean it's it's always going to be the same argument companies like epic wow don't they're they're spending so much money on all the exclusive stuff anyway that they're not going to worry about paying more to have this tiny platform on it. But for me, it's useful because... Right, here we go.
Starting point is 01:04:12 Okay. Okay. I'm actually in a match on it right now. And I mean, it's not the most scientific test, but if you see... I mean, the input seems okay to me it's it yeah it seems entirely
Starting point is 01:04:27 playable and that and that that's over wi-fi so it's kind of like seems pretty good so i could just sit here and i mean to be honest with you right i have i've got playstation 4 i've got a nintendo switch i've got an xbox series x i've got two pcs i've got two steam decks and i'm sat here now right and i'm i'm playing fortnite on my steam deck on linux through wi-fi and i couldn't tell that this isn't natively running. The input feels that amazing.
Starting point is 01:05:13 Excuse me. I'm going to have to play this for a while now. That's the problem with games like this. It's so easy to get into and you find yourself kind of in a hole on the...
Starting point is 01:05:27 There was... I got like that with Dota 2. Have you ever played that? I've got over 500 hours in that and at some point I had to say no. Enough is enough. I can't do this anymore. Like I've got to move on to something else.
Starting point is 01:05:45 But then it's also the Dota 2 community is toxic as hell. Just look at it, though. I have to do it where I can see what I'm doing as well. It's Fortnite on a Linux handheld. I'm sat there and I can't tell that it's not doing it so right
Starting point is 01:06:06 is that just right test the jump speed ready jump jump I mean it's it's literally as I press it yeah that's a really good latency I'm sure that if like you, you were, you know, used to playing on a 165 hertz display, used to playing locally, all that, like, and you were really, really into the game, there would be a difference. But if you're just, you know, casually jumping into a game, it seems fine, at least from what I can tell. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:42 And for someone like me as well, I mean, I don't particularly want to use things like Windows and so on, and I mean, that can just enable me to hop in and have a couple games with friends and then hop out and do something else, you know? And that's one of the things
Starting point is 01:06:59 that kind of bugs me about the whole native-only argument, or if you're a Linuxux fan it's the only thing you're allowed to you know the zealot zealot behavior fanatics it there's always been a problem in the linux community of having people like that but yeah for people like me i mean if i was going to do that i would end up cutting myself off from practically all of my friends and all of the games they play just because you use linux and because you're a fan of it and you're a fan of open source doesn't mean you shouldn't or can't use anything else and yeah you can to be honest you can pry
Starting point is 01:07:41 stuff like fortnite from my cold dead hands because i will keep playing it and i will enjoy it i mean i i mean this is such a stupid game though i mean i've got i've got a pickaxe that is one of those stretchy balloons that you make shapes out of and things as i do it and i i just find it hilarious I don't play Fortnite the only time I ever pay attention to it is when some random character is added and it looks dumb
Starting point is 01:08:13 back when there was like the Dragon Ball event and people were running around as Vegeta with a shotgun like okay sure why not or there was the Naruto event and people would... It was just like,
Starting point is 01:08:28 gun no jutsu. I... I spoke to someone about this, actually. And I'm not sure where it was. It could have even have been with you the last time I spoke to you. And it did kind of make me feel a bit weird. And I didn't like it seeing stuff like a character
Starting point is 01:08:46 who's as iconic as goku i mean i i have dragon ball tattoos on my arm and he's he's in fortnite running around with okay and it's like it's so wrong so So wrong. Yeah. But, I mean, that's... That's kind of one of the things that people... Like, I'm pretty sure Tim Sweeney from Epic is going on about stuff like the metaverse. I think he's pretty big on that, isn't he? And that's what it is. And that's, you know, some of what it is. It's going to be everything and everything. Yeah. It's kind of one of the things of it but i don't know just goku from
Starting point is 01:09:30 dragon ball running around with okay just no well look they've kind of messed with every uh every generation of anime fan there you've got the fans of dragon ball then you got the slightly younger fans who are fans of naruto then you got the younger fans who are fans of my hero academia everyone everyone gets uh gets to be annoyed about the anime characters in there yeah although i must admit there is something funny about being master chief from halo and seeing him doing like little dances and stuff and going like this look, as dumb as it is clearly Epic has got themselves
Starting point is 01:10:11 something that is going to be like, it's going to be a cultural icon for years into the future even if Fortnite isn't like, it's not the thing that everyone's talking about like it was back during, when it first came out during the first season. It's clearly still this massively important game, even if it's something that a lot of people may not be paying attention to.
Starting point is 01:10:41 Like, that's one of the weird things about about the internet there can be these subcultures that have millions and millions of people in them that you don't even remotely pay attention to like that's sort of that's this thing you get with this like this connected world we have with the internet there are so many people that even if something's incredibly popular you could just not be aware of like at all what's going on with it yeah and i think it's it's similar to things like minecraft back in the day you know when that was sort of first coming out you you couldn't go anywhere without someone mentioning it and then it completely fell off like that i mean but it's still one of the biggest games in the world exactly and fortnite
Starting point is 01:11:33 is exactly the same you know it's it's not at that level anymore but i mean epic are making millions and billions out of it well they wouldn't be able it's literally how they're bankrolling epic store they wouldn't have partnerships with dragon ball Ball and Naruto and all that if they weren't massive. Yeah. Imagine coming up with the gold mine like that. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. He sleeps on a bed of money, I'm sure.
Starting point is 01:12:00 Oh, without a doubt. Like, I... I'm sure they could... if he really wanted to they have the money to get it working just fine on the steam deck that's not gonna happen though until epic is until epic has their own their own like handheld it's not gonna happen yeah see the the problem that i have there is that epic own easy anti-cheat it's their own software that they're not turning on to have it work you know locally installed locally on steam deck and linux desktop and it's just and you i saw some of the tweets that he was doing and in fact i'm pretty sure i reported on it as well on the website that he didn't even have real faith in his own software i know that yeah i know the ones you're
Starting point is 01:13:02 talking about yeah yeah it's about yeah he was worried about custom kernels or something I think it was like you can't be certain about I probably won't be able to find it it was to the effect of he's not certain
Starting point is 01:13:20 that they could protect it against custom kernels but I mean it's nothing's secure by obscurity wait is this it and that's and that's one of the problems i have with stuff like easy anti-cheat battle eye and so on i mean you had no idea what they're really doing apparently secure found it uh So someone asked about Fortnite. He said, Fortnite? No. This is from February 7th, 2022. There's a big effort underway to maximize easy-to-cheat compatibility with Steam Deck.
Starting point is 01:13:56 Someone asked, why not? Asking about why not Fortnite. We don't have confidence that we'd be able to combat cheating at scale under a wide array of kernel configurations Including custom ones with regard to energy on the Linux platform Supporting custom kernels and the threat model to a game of fortnight size Someone had to leave to the tweet in there. I guess someone asked him along the lines of So easy energy just you don't trust that it would work under linux but
Starting point is 01:14:28 like then you're selling it to people to use under linux like the problem with well what he was saying was largely true though i mean in all fairness no Fortnite is a game that has a scale like practically nothing else on the amount of players on it. And, you know, obviously the amount of people that are probably trying to hack it and cheat on it and so on. So protecting something like that
Starting point is 01:14:55 is obviously vastly different than a game that only has, say, 100,000 players a day versus a couple million. So, I mean, you can see what he's saying on that but then again the way it's it's phrased it comes off like he's sort of it comes off like he's not trusting the product that he's trying to sell yeah there is certainly an element of that as well. But thanks to technology and streaming and to sing,
Starting point is 01:15:30 it's so weird to sing Microsoft praises, but I mean, Microsoft have done a genuinely good job with Xbox Cloud. And in fact, that was one of the sort of things that I did not have on my bingo year was microsoft have done like repeated announcements about steam deck compatibility for various games they did their own official guide to get xbox cloud working on the steam. They're pushing Edge with that, but you don't need Edge, just use Chrome. But it's kind of like
Starting point is 01:16:09 you've now got companies like Microsoft talking about playing their games platform. It's money. Money is what talks. Yep. And we finally have something that is pushing Linux to the masses that even Microsoft are like here's how you play our stuff on it.
Starting point is 01:16:26 It's going to be an interesting year, that's for sure. Yeah, I... Only in February, oh my god. I... Look, I just hope that whatever happens,
Starting point is 01:16:41 we start seeing... We start seeing... We start seeing more interest in... General... I don't expect that to happen, but I would like to see more interest in general Linux. Not just, hey, we've made sure it works on the Steam Deck. Hey, we've also tested it at least on Ubuntu. Whatever, it doesn't work on everything else, but, like,
Starting point is 01:17:08 we've, you know, it works on the Steam Deck, it works on Linux. It's still doing it through Proton, but I can't see that happening. I would like it. It's a pipe dream, but... Well...
Starting point is 01:17:23 That is gonna come with time, and I think because the Steam Deck is out there now, it's got the full desktop mode on it, and you hear this all the time of people like, this finally got me to appreciate Linux kind of thing. Once SteamOS 3 releases to everyone, I think things will change a little bit there as well even if people don't necessarily stick with it sure going and finding another distribution maybe
Starting point is 01:17:51 or just people understanding more and more about linux is obviously always going to be a good thing and one of the things in fact that valve said about releasing steam os 3 was about people as in like us normal people not just vendors putting it on their machines but about people building their own machines with it as in making your own little steam machine up against your tv with steam os on it there's there's going to be a big tinker community around it i mean you you've probably already seen some of the stuff that people are making and building with the steam deck it blows my mind every day what people are doing it's become this amazing device like it's like when stuff like the game boy and so on came out you know it's like kind of river well not kind of it i mean it has revived the handheld gaming industry
Starting point is 01:18:42 because you had play, you know, they had the Vita and so on, and that was a much-loved handheld by a lot of, you know, Sony fans. It's basically the Vita 2, in a way, the Steam Deck as well. Well... But all of this...
Starting point is 01:18:57 Handheld sort of came back with the Switch, to be fair. Like, that's when they really started to gain interest again. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah yeah they're specifically on like the pc handheld oh sure sure sure okay fair enough um it's yeah it's just just amazing to see what everyone's doing with it they were in fact because jsox did uh a clear a clear back case for it recently there's a post that's doing the rounds on the steam deck reddit right now where somebody's just like stuck a load of led like rgb leds on the inside of it so like
Starting point is 01:19:31 you know they'll hold it up it'll be like all colorful there's so many cool hardware things that people are doing because it's not just people learning about linux and like how actually quite good it is nowadays, you know? Yeah. It's also people tinkering on the hardware side. Really fun to see. What? I think they definitely picked a good time to do the,
Starting point is 01:19:57 the, to do the Steam Deck. Cause if it was a few years earlier, I, Proton was definitely good like a couple of years ago but now it's in
Starting point is 01:20:12 an, I wouldn't say perfect, like anywhere near perfect but it's in a considerably better state and the problems that we have now are for the most part not like fundamental problems that we have now are, for the most part, not, like, fundamental problems that are affecting wide array of games.
Starting point is 01:20:39 Like, I've got all my games on Steam just categorized into their ProtonDB rating, just so I can easily find stuff. But my library, without ever putting any thought into like whether a game works on Linux, it just is mostly in a good state. And it's been like that for a while. I think, actually going back to the thing about general Linux support, I think one thing that could possibly change that is not if people are using SteamOS on their own devices they're selling, but if these other non-SteamOS Linux-based operating systems like what Ioneo is doing, if things like that start gaining any attention, because if that has any reasonable market share, then devs are going to want to support that as well.
Starting point is 01:21:39 So now you're thinking about Linux as more of a category of things, rather than just Linux as what Valve is doing. I think that might cause a change. I don't know if that's really going to pick up considering how expensive those devices are. But the thing about it, again, is it goes back to, right now, Proton and how fixing up things in that is fixing up tons of games constantly.
Starting point is 01:22:02 With the Aonio devices and then doing Aonio OS their own Linux system when you go through like their announcements on it they're talking about Proton as well so it's like yeah there's going to be a lot more focus on on Proton as time goes on from developers as well because you are going to have more devices shipping with it it's as simple as that because valve had proven it's popular yeah yeah and that linux can work and be a good gaming platform i mean a lot of us already knew this already but this is a mass-produced device going out to masses of people and a lot of them it's the first time they've ever
Starting point is 01:22:48 used Linux. I want to know where this goes in like, because we can obviously be like, hey, this is what's happening right now. Where this sort of leads to in like 5, 10 years from now. If things keep going in the direction they're going, if
Starting point is 01:23:03 the Steam Deck, you know, gets worldwide sales and anyone can buy it if they want to, maybe we have a Steam Deck 2. I'm very curious to see where the idea of Linux gaming is at that point. Like, if we do see, you know, Like, if we do see, you know, because right now, right now, Linux is still less than like Mac OS in the market share. If it keeps going in this direction, I wouldn't be surprised if it just overtakes that. We're not going to overtake Windows any time in the near future, maybe any time in the long-term future, but I wouldn't be surprised if, you know, five, ten
Starting point is 01:23:48 years from now, Linux is a second legitimate PC platform to play games on. Three years, Max. Three years, Max, you say? Three years, and at least going by
Starting point is 01:24:04 for gaming, say, by the steam steam survey i reckon in three years time it will have overtaken mac easily especially with the price of mac as well i still don't understand how people are buying them up in such quantities like yeah i i have a well i have a like a 300 smartphone from five years ago so like i'm definitely not the apple audience well the problem with what i've just said is that i was a huge kind of skeptic of apple stuff for so long, but then I bought... The iPhone was a really good deal, and I bought it, and I actually really enjoy using it, so who am I to judge anything, really?
Starting point is 01:24:53 They make good, you know, user interfaces. Like, there's... For all the shit you can give Apple for the way they handle right-to-repair, the way they lock down their systems. They make good devices. Like, I get it. I just don't want to spend that much.
Starting point is 01:25:13 That's one of the things I actually quite appreciate from Epic Games and Tim Sweeney is how hard they are fighting companies like Apple to open up it's a completely they're doing it to completely self-serve their own interest but at the end of the day if they manage to get them to push to open up to extra payment providers and extra app stores and allow you especially on iphones you know because on android you have an f droid yeah which you can download as a completely separate package manager store imagine if you could get something like that on iphone would just be kind of amazing and that'll be hopefully the end result of um of epics fight with them. So that would be really interesting.
Starting point is 01:26:05 On Android there's also the... There's probably way more than just F-Droid for Android, but it's the only one I actually know. What's the one that Amazon had on their fire devices that I'm forgetting the name of?
Starting point is 01:26:21 They just have their own Amazon App Store, don't they? I don't know if it was called whatever it was called but yeah there's those are the sort of the major ones obviously Google, F-Droid and Amazon's thing but no one uses
Starting point is 01:26:36 like obviously there's the FOSS people that use F-Droid but like that's pretty much it like it's not a thing that anyone else really cares about right and so it's not a thing that anyone else really cares about. Right. And so it's not eating into anyone's bottom line, really, when you think about it, because they're using all these external things are going to be a minority, which again will happen
Starting point is 01:26:59 to Apple. Obviously, they're afraid because it's going to affect their bottom line and if you look at their very most recent revenue reports like this massive chunk of their revenue comes directly from the app store and that's why they don't want to allow people to you know sideload whatever they want on it but it just shouldn't be allowed as simple as that. No, it shouldn't be. No matter what you buy, if you've bought it and it's yours, there should be nothing on it that makes it seem like actually you're only
Starting point is 01:27:32 kind of leasing it from these people. You should, no matter what device you own, you should be able to load whatever the fuck and repair it. Yep. For anything. Yeah, but... Look, I think one of those battles might be a little bit easier to win than the other one.
Starting point is 01:27:50 I don't know if they're gonna make it easy. Actually, to be fair, they do have their repair program. Where it costs, you know... It costs more than just buying a new device in some cases. They'll sell you an entire motherboard and, like, they'll lease you the tools to repair it. Yeah, actually, they started doing some more stuff within the last year.
Starting point is 01:28:17 I think it was towards the end of last year, I think it was announced, that they'd sort of, like, opened up the repair stuff a bit more. That rings a bell. I don't know if it was around that. I know what you're talking about. I can't remember when it was announced that they'd sort of like opened up the repair stuff a bit more for uh that rings i don't know if it was around i i know what you're talking about i can't remember when it was happening i have to hand it to apple's customer care though to be fair i've got the app the air pod but i shouldn't do that near the camera should i it's not going to focus and these are the the pro two so like the very latest ones that you can get and i was having problems where they just they kept dropping out basically and it was really annoying so i went
Starting point is 01:28:54 into my local apple store explained the situation and 10 minutes later i walked out with a brand new pair wow so i mean yeah i was cut and in fact even weirder though is the night before i on your on an iphone for people that don't know you can do like a dedicated support on your phone and they will message you through imessage personally to talk you through different things that you can try okay and that was really weird like but yeah their customer support was top notch i really can't complain about that actually on the note of uh wireless earbuds here here here's what i have as wireless earbuds this is a pair of jaybird x2s from like in fact i had i had something similar to that actually and it had just like a band that went around in that i've considered getting some like actual wireless
Starting point is 01:29:55 earbuds but my jaybirds they work yeah the battery is very very short now. Maybe lasts like three hours. But, you know, lithium batteries, all that. I used to hate wireless stuff. But they've just gotten so good. I was all on board. I don't take away my headphone jack. But, yeah, now you actually have very convenient options. There's loads of them.
Starting point is 01:30:32 I mean, you can pick up a pair that look exactly like that for, like, £30, $30, and they'll give you a pretty reasonable sound quality and a couple of hours battery life. It's amazing how it's like any technology though over time as more and more of it's produced it's supposed to get cheaper unless it's a gpu right now gpus are a fun one right now that's for sure honestly like a big part i don't know how much like i don't
Starting point is 01:31:09 know what's going on behind the scenes i don't know how much of nvidia's pricing at this point is existing continuing silicon shortage and how much is nvidia you know wanting to make as much money as they can. So the NVIDIA, like all hardware companies, do as many tricks as they can to get the most money out of people. This is what I always tell people. A company, no matter who they are, no matter how much of a fan you are, whether it's Valve, whether it's Epic Games, whether it's Nvidia, AMD, it doesn't matter. They're not your friend.
Starting point is 01:31:49 They're there to make money out of you. And it's as simple as that. You can be a fan of them, but you need to understand they're not a fan of you. They want your wallet. They want your fucking money. And that is it. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:32:03 No, I fully agree no I fully agree I fully agree oh god one thing I did want to talk about is I'm I'm really this is a complete topic shift I'm really surprised
Starting point is 01:32:22 with how much attention Dwarf Fortress has been getting. Yeah, that is kind of amazing, actually, because they just released their monthly report and they had over 7 million in January. Yeah. Which is absolutely freaking nuts when you think about i mean you look at it and graphically compared to you know everything else that's coming out nowadays and even with their new
Starting point is 01:32:56 graphical tiles that they've put on it it doesn't really look modern in any shape or form. No, it doesn't. And even the animation system and stuff in the new Dwarf Fortress is... There's basically not really any animations from what I played, but it's fully deserved, though. Fully deserved.
Starting point is 01:33:21 Because, I mean, they've been hacking away at making Dwarf Fortress. For many. Many years. For free as well. They took donations and so on. And then released it on Steam.
Starting point is 01:33:37 And now they're millionaires. Yeah. I've. Amazing. I've been hearing from people who I will point out before you mention anything else that while it's not a bad thing
Starting point is 01:33:53 I do think that one of the reasons that it sold so well and why a lot of indie developers can't reproduce that form of success well for the two reasons one it was already a massively well-known and two i don't know the specifics of it but i know at least one of the one of the two people uh was sick basically and like you know needed hospital
Starting point is 01:34:20 bills and so on and i think that has played a part of it because uh like a big portion of it will be generosity from people not necessarily people normally buying it to play it if that makes sense i think there is definitely a big element to that as well no that definitely makes sense but what i was going to get is i've been because i had this perception in my mind before this came out that dwarf fortress even though it was like a thing that people knew about nobody really cared about it outside of the very you know the the gray beards that have never left their house that only played Dwarf Fortress but I have heard like just regular like normie streamers that
Starting point is 01:35:09 I would never have expected to talk about Dwarf Fortress, talk about Dwarf Fortress, talk about wanting to play it now that this graphical update is out, because they've heard about the game, they're like, they know what Dwarf Fortress is and they know it's this like crazy complex
Starting point is 01:35:26 thing but that's all they know about it i i think the devs absolutely deserve the attention they get because this is this is still complex as hell even though it has graphical and actual user interface a proper user interface yeah yeah and it's still ridiculously complex i it's one of those storytelling games well uh i've not actually played dwarf fortress but i i do know it goes to like ridiculous levels of detail where like it keeps track of, every tooth in the dwarf's mouth. Just, like, insane, ridiculous detail that no one in their right mind cares about. But is there, because that's what the game's supposed to be. Yeah, to be honest, I haven't
Starting point is 01:36:26 played a huge amount of it because it's so complex and it's just something of that level is not something that I can sit down and relax with. Right. If I was going to do something like that, it'd be
Starting point is 01:36:42 more Rimworld. I'm definitely on a similar level, and Rimworld has a lot of inspiration from Dwarf Fortress. But I can click around in it a lot more, and things move. Yeah. For me, just personally, Dwarf Fortress, even with the new release, it just still has too much of a retro feel for it. Well, it's still Dwarf Fortress, even with the new release, it just still has too much of a retro feel for it. Well, it's still Dwarf Fortress.
Starting point is 01:37:11 And so, yeah, fair play. They've done a good job. I actually have heard from some of the people who are like, you know, the grey beard, hardcore Dwarf Fortress players never played a single other video game in their entire life who aren't happy about the new UI because they're like they change stuff the new UI is slower in certain things like these are these are people who've never played a single other video game besides Dwarf Fortress they know it like in and out um but it's clearly made it a lot more approachable and that that's a big part of the reason why it got so much attention not only the fact obviously the the uh medical bill stuff
Starting point is 01:37:55 definitely to help but the fact that if you want to play dwarf, it gives you something that looks like a video game now. And, you know, most people aren't going to go and sit down and play, like, an ASCII game. Like, it's not going to happen. Yeah. The world has moved on and it's as simple as that. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's a long
Starting point is 01:38:22 time coming. Even if the art like the game has is simple it does the job it gets the message across in a way that it looks like a video game now which you know seven million um yeah they've done well and i hope that that it keeps going well of the future um I don't know what to talk about I've got a bunch of other things in this list but see what will you should we go to um you know what i did see you uh mentioned uh dead space on on uh gaming on linux i don't know if you play how much you played of the uh the remake i've played a couple of hours of it yeah and it is fantastic i had never actually played Dead Space before the remake.
Starting point is 01:39:26 My housemate got me to go and play it with him. Maybe this is not a popular opinion. I can see why... You're going to offend a lot of people. I'm going to, absolutely. I can see why it's a very popular franchise and why it's a very popular game
Starting point is 01:39:49 I didn't I didn't I there's a lot of things about it that I think are really cool, like the way the plasma kind of thing works, you turn it, you cut off the limbs of the enemies.
Starting point is 01:40:07 I just... It's a game that's way too slow for me to find any enjoyment from, because I don't find any of the jump scares scary, because the entire... All the horror in the game is about
Starting point is 01:40:23 let's make the audio as loud as possible. Like. No, there's a lot more to it than that. I'm sure there's more to it, but from what I've played. It's the general atmosphere of it that is scary really. That's what he was telling me as well.
Starting point is 01:40:42 No, it's good though. The remake is genuinely good. I mean, it's it's good though the the remake is is genuinely good i mean it's it's faithful in that it is very similar to the original because it is a remake but there's just loads of nice updated touches on it that really it's already the best way to get back into it you know and it's just a genuinely good horror game no and now it runs nicely on steam deck and linux desktops as well like so as much as i might not enjoy i can absolutely understand like the all of the like the the pieces i saw of the game like it's clearly a really good game that is not at all my style of game like yeah yeah the atmosphere i i get it it makes sense why you would enjoy that the i think the um as i think the way the gun like the the
Starting point is 01:41:36 first gun you get is really cool like and like all the whole cutting off limbs thing really cool idea um i maybe i'm just really dumb but any of the uh zero gravity segments my brain just falls apart and i i'm just like uh like it's yeah yeah any game that sends me into of a 3d zero g environment my brain kind of like, I want to turn my head up, see where I'm going. Yep, yep. Yeah, it's quite annoying. Because I didn't get super far through the game when I was playing it.
Starting point is 01:42:15 I got back to the ship and then went off to do the next thing, whatever it was. So still like, you know, an hour or two into the game. So like still, I don't know how long the game is, but still relatively early on. But I don't know, maybe at some point I'll go back and play it. The other problem, okay, the other problem I had
Starting point is 01:42:43 is that we were playing with controllers and I don't play shooters with controllers as well so that also uh was a mess from uh for my experience um that's not a problem for me i've i've always had consoles so i mean i feel really at home either no i used to like the steam deck or game pad i used to play call of duty on on playstation like i used to be i'm not gonna say good or great i used to be competent at playing shooters on console um i'm not anymore the last time i was really actively playing a shooter on console was Black Ops 2. So a while ago. That was quite a while then, yeah.
Starting point is 01:43:28 Yeah. Well, if you're into any sort of like story type game, have you seen Detroit Become Human? I know of the game. I've not played it. become human i know of the game i've not played it so it's the same people that made in fact i think practically all of their games are very similar uh beyond two souls right heavy rain yeah yeah oh it's yeah yeah yeah i i've started i thought well i started i'm a couple of hours into it now. And that is a genuinely interesting game.
Starting point is 01:44:08 And the way they've done it is really interesting as well. The story is a bit like iRobot, the Will Smith film, in a way. Robot uprising and all that, and like one in every kind of thing. I mean, there's quite a few things that have done that, to be fair. But I like the idea that i can go through and you have these different decisions you've got to make and when you've completed a chapter it will flow through like this chart of the decisions you made and you'll see like your decisions go down here and there's like decisions going along there that you didn't make that could go somewhere completely different and you can lose characters
Starting point is 01:44:49 in it as well if you choose certain decisions and it's really yes really really interesting that does sound really cool so people like story games that's a good one i i don't want to make it seem like I don't like slow games. There are some games that are like, you know, one of my favorite games was Journey on the PS3. That's an incredible game. So, you know, I will enjoy something that is slow or where, you know, it's not action-y.
Starting point is 01:45:26 There's nothing really happening. I don't know what it was about. I don't know what it was about Dead Cells that just... Dead Space. Different game. Dead Space that just... I don't know. Maybe it's that when I play a shooter, I like my shooters to be, you know...
Starting point is 01:45:46 Look, the last shooter I got really into was Doom. And Doom is Doom. I think maybe that's where the issue is. It's not... Yes, you shoot and stuff in it, but it's not primarily a shooter.
Starting point is 01:46:02 Story horror. That gives you a couple of weapons to dismember freaky creatures it's not supposed to be a full-on shooter yeah no i get that like it make i i i get it it's just i this is not for me it's not for me. If you don't like... Well, okay, so you don't mind slow-paced games. No, there's a lot of slow-paced games that I was a fan of, yeah. Death Stranding?
Starting point is 01:46:34 Have you seen or played that? I've seen it, yeah. I've not played it. Okay. I completed, finally, the Director's Cut. It was actually genuinely amazing. I completed, finally, the Director's Cut. It was actually genuinely amazing. You are basically a postman in the future, and 90% of the game is you running across the countryside.
Starting point is 01:46:58 Yeah, the only thing I love about this game is you have a baby on your back or something. Yeah, you've got a baby strapped to your chest it's really weird and telling anybody about it in public will get people looking at you really weirdly oh yeah there's this baby in a pod you've got strapped to your chest and you connect up with it so what
Starting point is 01:47:17 yeah not one to really talk about like that. It's a bit weird. Oh, I should play it at some point. Wait, what? Yeah, I... There are so many games out there that I just... I've...
Starting point is 01:47:40 Need to... My list of games that I want to play is just forever growing. And sometimes games will move to the top of the list. Like Elden Ring right now is at the top of the list. Doesn't matter anything else that exists. That's the next big new game I'm going to play. Yeah, I have that problem. I think probably a lot more than a lot of people, because I've got like 2600 and something games, I think, on Steam.
Starting point is 01:48:11 And that's just on Steam. I mean, I went through the list of other systems I've got, you know, as well. Yeah. And obviously I'm adding to that every week. Yeah. Almost every day without fail, I'm adding something to that list. And it's just... I think when I finally retire,
Starting point is 01:48:32 when that day comes, I mean, I'm going to need a brain chip that can go in, and so I can just close my play through. Maybe Elon can sort that out with Neuralink. Okay, we started with Elon. No, okay. I need to explain the marketing genius that was Elon today. So you did see the Twitter API thing, yes? Yeah, where they're basically turning off the twitter api
Starting point is 01:49:07 for free people and you have to pay for it this is the this is the 2000 iq play that he's had okay so it's so it's great so turning off the free api everyone started running with numbers for what the pricing was going to be that were not the actual pricing. It was like pricing for a different part of the API. Right. But he also put out this tweet saying, uh,
Starting point is 01:49:34 I still don't find the exact tweet. Something like it's only going to be a hundred dollars a month to get access to the API. Uh, I'll find the exact tweet. Um, yeah. to the API. I'll find the exact tweet. Yeah, free APIs being abused badly right now by bot scammers and opinion manipulators.
Starting point is 01:49:52 There's no verification process or cost, so easy to spin up 100k bots to do bad things. Just $100 a month for API access with ID verification will clean things up greatly. Now this is the 2000 IQ play. So everyone's pissed off about $100 a month
Starting point is 01:50:10 Okay This is what he did the next thing he did so a Reply to a random comment saying I guess we could give all verified users access to the API we could give all verified users access to the API. So he's got rid of the free tier, got it in your head that $100 is the
Starting point is 01:50:30 price, bring it down, but still above where we started. And people think it's a good idea now. I wouldn't put it past him to just lump it in with the verified system. That was already a shit show when it released.
Starting point is 01:50:49 And it's just ridiculous. In fact, I've got a Chrome plugin that will tell me if somebody has paid for Twitter Blue. And it will replace the icon with a clown thing. Which I'm very happy about. Now I can know whether somebody is actually a verified, like, organisation. It's just a fucking clown. I remember early on people were like, you know what? If someone pays for Twitter Blue, we'll just all bully them. And a lot of people have just accepted the fact that Twitter Blue now exists
Starting point is 01:51:23 and they're paying for twitter yeah and the thing is i take the piss out of it oh absolutely i don't like i don't particularly like twitter but then i've never liked twitter anyway even before elon owned it i was never a fan of it because social media has a lot of problems and it's like people get behind social media have a keyboard and turn into shitheads yeah which obviously someone like me and you will have to deal with you know a lot as creators and but the problem is that over time more and more is being gated behind verified and at some point if i want the gaming on linux account on twitter to
Starting point is 01:52:07 make sense anymore at some point i'll have to pay for it probably otherwise i'll be buried under everyone else and it's already happening which is quite quite annoying yeah there are i was gonna say there are talks of like you know throttling the non-verified account effectively just shadow banning the non-verified accounts uh because if you're not verified you're probably a bot so that means you're not legitimate traffic on the website you're not paying for it for it all verified is now
Starting point is 01:52:44 is that you've verified somehow you've paid and that could be with stolen funds or anything it doesn't verify shit it verifies that you're capable of getting a card somehow and then putting details
Starting point is 01:53:02 to pay it's not verification anymore it's fucking meaningless and that's why a card somehow and then putting details to pay. It's not verification anymore. It's fucking meaningless and that's why I downloaded the Chrome plugin to turn people who buy it into a clown. Yeah, but here's the problem, right? Twitter's going to go bankrupt
Starting point is 01:53:18 because Elon saddled the company with a billion dollars of interest payment a year, so he's going to make the money back quickly yeah and he's just making mistake after mistake after mistake it's like when they just completely banned mastodon and then they banned they said they were banning facebook and instagram and the list just carried on and on and And obviously it's enabled stuff like Mastodon as a social network to add, like, I think it's at least one million extra sort of like monthly active people on the service, I think it was.
Starting point is 01:53:56 And it's kind of amazing, really. And to give you like a comparison on just how bad Twitter actually is. So the Gaming on Linux account, for example. Right. 61,000 followers on the dot. 6-1-3-0s right now, I've just seen it, right? On Mastodon, it has a fraction of the traffic of twitter when you think about it and we've got 30 33 000 people on that wow the amount of hits and the amount of people
Starting point is 01:54:35 interacting with it is like a hundred fold on mastodon because twitter buries people who don't pay now it buries people who actually link and i'm sure i i saw loads of chat and like things on this it will bury you more if you're sending people away from twitter so if it's just a standard twitter post or you've included the picture within the post or a video within the post it prioritizes you more than if it links to somewhere else. And so this was what made me laugh about when Elon bought Twitter and he was saying like, we're one of the top traffic pushers in the world. And it's like everybody who actually uses Twitter as any kind of creator and
Starting point is 01:55:24 organization knows it's not it's crap it's like it gives you the tiniest amount because the algorithm has always pushed whatever it wants instead of what people follow and half the people didn't even realize that they're even i in fact that's a change right one thing I do like is the new for you feed which is a lot more like TikTok there's a for you feed in the app and a following feed and you can just easily swipe between them rather than a hidden button behind a couple of stars to change to your actual you know chronological feed I actually quite like that. I think that was a good idea. And it's working quite well.
Starting point is 01:56:09 What I'm waiting for... So I don't use the main Twitter client. I use TweetDeck. Yeah, I'll definitely use TweetDeck. I am waiting for TweetDeck to become a part of Twitter Blue. Because it's going to happen. They've been redoing tweet deck
Starting point is 01:56:27 for a long time now, and now on the pop-up in the corner, try the new tweet deck. Nope, I've tried it, and it's fucking horrible. I didn't even notice. Yeah, I've actually added the pop-up as a blocked thing in uBlock, so
Starting point is 01:56:44 it can never show me its face again, because it's very, very annoying. But, yeah, they just took something that was working perfectly, and they've made it worse, basically. Someone was telling me about this earlier today. I don't...
Starting point is 01:56:59 Where the hell's the pop-up supposed to be? Maybe it's just not showing up on my side yet. I don't know. Is this one of those times where because I have so many followers that it will show me something? Maybe. I don't know. Surely you could just Google
Starting point is 01:57:19 new tweet deck. Yeah, that's what I'm going to do. New tweet deck. Oh God, what is this? What? Okay. Wait, here we go.
Starting point is 01:57:34 Why? Wait, do we see ads in here? Because I know that's one of the things the tweet deck doesn't show. Yeah, that's the great thing about the current tweet deck. No adverts yeah that's the great thing about the current tweet deck no advert amazing i'm surprised they let that go for so long to be honest yeah why is this so bad it looks like they've just taken the twitter
Starting point is 01:57:56 like the the the main twitter client just crammed it into tweet deck okay yeah yeah it does look a lot like that. It doesn't work very well either. I can't imagine it does. But as I said, I'm waiting for it to become part of Twitter Blue because it will be. Guarantee it. Yeah, that would probably push me much quicker to have
Starting point is 01:58:20 to pay for it. Yeah, tweet deck. Honestly, it's just a much better experience than the main client like for any i i get used to the main client for like you know just casual usage but if you do any sort of like you know you have multiple accounts you do any sort of businessy stuff with twitter it just makes it so much easier yeah the mastodon does have a layout that is you know exactly like it any problem is that you can't do like multiple accounts inside it so i just ended up signing up on my personal account on a completely different instance because then i can just have two tabs open yeah yeah yeah
Starting point is 01:59:01 great and that like that is decentralization in action for something as simple as that uh but we are closing in on the two hour mark so i think that should be pretty much it then. Let the people know where they can find you, where they can find your work, all that fun stuff. Wait. Yes. I was going to try and show something. Oh, you have something to show.
Starting point is 01:59:38 You can keep going for a bit. I didn't quite set it up, so... It didn't work. So up so oh yeah never mind it didn't work um yeah so just gaming on Linux Twitter Mastodon YouTube
Starting point is 01:59:52 dot com good branding that's you know it's always nice when someone just has like consistency everywhere. Because I don't. I absolutely don't. Because my Twitter is Brody on Linux.
Starting point is 02:00:13 My YouTube is Brody Robertson. My Twitch is Brody on Games. Because people took the name Brody Robertson in a lot of places. This is the problem with using your name and not using something else that does remind me that i i tried some rebranding recently and it didn't go very well and i i got stuck on youtube as go linux dude for weeks and it was the source of many jerks unfortunately i mean it got to the point where I was emailing, like, can I please have my name
Starting point is 02:00:50 back? I was only testing something, and you've locked it. Never mind. But yeah, consistency is key. Absolutely. Yes, any other things you want to mention? Buy a Steam Deck. Buy a Steam Deck. Buy a Steam Deck.
Starting point is 02:01:10 Yes, if you can. Or parcel forward or something. As for me, if you're listening to the audio version of this, the video version is available on the YouTube at Tech Over Tea. If you are watching the video, the audio version, you can find any podcast platform. There is an RSS feed, all that fun stuff. Are you just going to go back to playing Fortnite?
Starting point is 02:01:36 Gaming channel Brody on games. Currently playing through... Actually, I think we might be done with pokemon now so i don't know what's going to be in that slot uh also playing through god of war one and then main channel main channel brody robertson linux videos six days a week all that fun stuff uh got any final words buy a steam deck buy a steam deck buy a steam deck see you guys later

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