Tech Over Tea - Who's Ready For The Dystopian AI Future | Solo

Episode Date: July 6, 2022

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Good morning, good day, and good evening. Welcome to episode 122 of Tech for Tea. I am, as always, your host, Brady Robertson. And before we get into the fun stuff, you know, the gaming stuff, the Linux stuff, the tech stuff, all of that stuff that you guys usually show up for that is probably going to be fun to talk about, let's talk about the dystopian future we're about to live in. I guess it is kind of a tech topic, but it's not a fun topic. I've got a couple of different topics here.
Starting point is 00:00:31 I've got three of them. Let's just go through them. First one is, why is that link not opening when I click it? Let's try that again. First one is this one here from The Verge. This is about Instagram. Instagram is testing an AI tool that verifies your age by scanning your face. That's point number one. Point number two is, we'll go
Starting point is 00:00:55 over these individually, but point number two is this one here. This is another article from The Verge. Amazon shows off Alexa feature that mimics the voices of your dead relatives. And this third one, this third one is a local story from Australia. This one I believe was from two weeks ago, but for whatever reason, I just didn't talk about it when it happened. Kmart, Bunnings and the good guys,
Starting point is 00:01:21 which are all like local supermarket chains. Use of facial recognition technology on unsuspecting customers raises concerns. This is the world we're about to live in. AI, facial recognition, fucking everything you do is always going to be known. What a world. So, in the Instagram case, you can try it yourself. How old does the computer think you are? This one is like
Starting point is 00:01:49 phrased in like a really happy and exciting way. So, Instagram is testing new methods for users to verify their age, including an AI tool built by third-party company Yoti, or Yotti? I'm guessing it's Yoti, that estimates how old you
Starting point is 00:02:05 are just by scanning your face. Officially, you have to be 13 years old to sign up for an Instagram account, but for years the company made little effort to enforce this rule. To be honest, basically everything that has, like, an age verification or, like, an age gate to
Starting point is 00:02:22 access it online, whether it's, you know, making an account on Instagram, making an account on YouTube, going to a porn site. All of them, for the most part, are just like, hey, enter your age and if you enter the right number, it's fine. So you just go to the, usually like 1900s at the top of the list. So you just go to the 1900 and it just always passes so it's never exactly been a um a good system wait until 2019 though it didn't even bother to ask
Starting point is 00:02:55 new new users their birthday wait it didn't even bother to do that okay take back what i said instagram wasn't even instagram wasn't even taking literally the minimal amount of effort to verify someone's age, asking them and getting them to lie. Instagram has introduced more age verification features as well as methods to separate younger users from adults. So how have they been doing it up until this point? You have to tell Instagram your birthday to keep using the app so you can lie. Okay, they're still not
Starting point is 00:03:25 doing anything. Separate young users from adults. Instagram will no longer let adults message teens who don't follow them. Also makes sense, but once again, everyone on Instagram is an adult because you just lie about your age. Same with YouTube, same with Twitter. That's not
Starting point is 00:03:41 a real feature. Currently, Instagram asks users to verify their age only when teenagers try to edit their birth date to show them as 18 or older. What? Wait. Currently, Instagram asks users to verify their age. Oh, okay. So to verify their age, users can send in pictures of various ID cards. This is probably as far as I
Starting point is 00:04:05 would like it to be. Now, I know some people don't like the idea of sending your ID out to random companies to verify your age. I think this is probably a less dystopian method. It doesn't work in every country, because in Australia, for example,
Starting point is 00:04:21 we don't have a unified ID system if you're under 18 so you have like school IDs for like different schools but it's not like a it's not usually a government wide accepted thing and I don't know if every school does it and every state does it the US might probably and definitely has a different system it It's probably different state by state, but managing that system for people who are under 18 probably is a lot of work. It's probably going to get easier as we roll into digital licenses or digital IDs.
Starting point is 00:04:55 I don't like the idea of a digital ID, but it is easier to manage that because you then have one unified system to manage a system like that. First method, social vouching. Instagram will... Wait. And from today, users in the US will have two additional options,
Starting point is 00:05:12 social vouching and AI estimation. For the first method, social vouching, Instagram will ask three mutual followers of the user to confirm how old they are. Three mu... Wait. So the mutual followers will have to be over the age of 18 themselves and will have three days to respond to instagram's request uh the second method ai estimation wait
Starting point is 00:05:34 this method is really abusable this this method is so fucking abusable some of you have a really small instagram account where you only have like, you know, your only mutual followers are your friends. It's probably pretty easy to like contact them and say, hey, can you just verify how old I am? The second method, AI estimation, involves sending a video selfie to a third party company, Yoti, which uses machine learning to estimate a person's age. Now, if you know anything about, like, just real age estimation, like doing it as a person, you're like, you know, selling liquor to someone or cigarettes or whatever,
Starting point is 00:06:16 you probably already know that guessing someone's age is pretty difficult. Like, I've looked over 18 probably since i was like 16 or 17 like as soon as you start growing any sort of facial hair it instantly makes you look a lot older and there are guys that i know who've had like full beards like fucking full-on beards since they're like 15 or so and they look like they were adults and they were like six foot two so if you see a six foot two guy with a beard it's gonna be pretty hard to work out that they're actually like under the age you expected and those aren't like rare people that's really common um anyway yoti is a well-known player in online age and id verification yeah the online um
Starting point is 00:07:06 so a lot of companies will get you to send in like um like pictures of yourself alongside your id and generally this works pretty well but i've had a lot of sites where i don't know i'm gonna show you my id i'm not gonna show you my id But especially when I had my older ID, I had long hair in my ID. It went down past my shoulders. And I think I had a ponytail or something when I had the picture taken. And I didn't have facial hair. During that, there was a period where I didn't have facial hair. But I look like a completely different person.
Starting point is 00:07:42 Then with my sister, she had, like, fucking bright red anime hair when she had her... I think her ID still has this, actually. I'll have to ask her. But yeah, at a point, her ID was, like, bright red hair. It looked like a completely different person as well. So these, like, verification systems aren't perfect,
Starting point is 00:08:06 but I don't know if there's just... I really don't know if there's a better solution. Like... I don't like the idea of using AI age verification, because to do AI age verification, you need to have a massive database of faces to verify against. Um...
Starting point is 00:08:23 But... I don't know. A previous version of the story said the Instagram started using AI-powered automated tools to search for Android users last year. What a weird way to fucking phrase that. The company began using this feature in 2019. Oh, they're already doing it anyway.
Starting point is 00:08:40 Well, so, anyway, the data shows that yodi system is less accurate for female faces and people with darker skin and that for under 24s its estimates can be off by 2.5 years yeah after you're like over the age of like 21 in america 18 in australia if we're talking about age verification in your 30s, for example, it being off by a couple of years doesn't really matter. At this
Starting point is 00:09:10 point, though, it's sort of not great. Especially with the point I mentioned with people under the age of 18 who are you know, who may have a beard. But I'm surprised it's inaccurate for female faces.
Starting point is 00:09:27 I guess you don't go through as much of a change through those years, but... Huh. Okay. Darker skin makes sense because generally a lot of these AI models are trained based on the region. Where's the company from?
Starting point is 00:09:45 UK government. Okay, who. Where's the company from? UK government. Okay, who... Where is Yoti from? Because generally the problem these AI systems also have is they are based around the country they're in. So if you... Like if you build an AI ID verification or age verification system in like China for example, your dataset is
Starting point is 00:10:06 probably going to have a lot of Chinese faces if you build it in like South Africa, probably a lot of South African faces, so on and so forth so when you build a system like this, it tends to reflect the well not tends to, it does reflect the dataset it is
Starting point is 00:10:22 trained on, so if you don't have an extensive enough data set for people outside of, you know, outside of the majority in that region, it tends to not work well. Now, where are they from? I'm not find... Press? Tell me where you're from, damn it. What country are you from? Let me know.
Starting point is 00:10:44 Help. Uh, yo, is there ever, do they have a website? I can't find it. But they're used in the UK and Germany, so I'm gonna have to guess it's probably probably
Starting point is 00:11:00 a European company? Um, probably a European company. which would explain the issues. Anyway, next point we have. Uh, we have, oh yeah, the Amazon one. So the, if you didn't think the Instagram one was that bad, like you can make an argument that AI age verification isn't really that bad. Like sure, whatever, it is what it is.
Starting point is 00:11:21 isn't really that bad. Like, sure, whatever. It is what it is. Amazon. Amazon shows off Alexa feature that mimics the voices of your dead relatives. Now, this tech is not new. Like, you've been able to go and recreate voices for quite a while.
Starting point is 00:11:37 You may have heard this. I'll see if I can find it. There's a Joe Rogan AI voice video that's really, really good. Joe Rogan AI voice video. That's really, really good. Um, Joe Rogan AI voice. Um, ah,
Starting point is 00:11:50 here it is. This was from three years ago and it's gotten a lot, a lot better since then. Goddamn. It's impressive. I'll go back to the start. Uh, it's about a chimp hockey team.
Starting point is 00:12:07 Friends. I'll go back to the start. It's about a chimp hockey team. Friends, I've got something new to tell all of you. I've decided to sponsor a hockey team made up entirely of chimps. I'm tired of people telling me that chimps are not capable of kicking human ass in sports. Chimps are just superior athletes. And these chimps have been working out hard. You can hear it's not perfect. This was three hard like throwing kettle you can hear it's not this was three years ago but you can hear it's not perfect it sounds like a very like monotone uh reproduction of his voice battle ropes everything i've got them on a strict diet bone broth but like you hear the voice and it sounds exactly like if you heard that you just think like joe is just having a bad day for
Starting point is 00:12:46 the most part so this is not like a new idea the part that's new is making it really really accessible to normal people and using it in like a really fucking weird way like this idea here this isn't like a a clickbait headline like oh look at this. You can recreate voices and use dead relatives. No, this is the way that Amazon marketed it. So they had a keynote called the Amazon Remars 2022. This was day two of the keynote.
Starting point is 00:13:16 One thing that's... Go to YouTube. Here we go. One thing that's surprising... In the background, it just says human-like empathy the entire time. Stop. Stop it. Stop it. We'll skip ahead to the actual ad. This is just him rambling on about what the tech is.
Starting point is 00:13:38 Here we go. Oh wait, I skipped ahead, didn't I? Here we go. Alexa, can Grandma finish reading me The Wizard of Oz? Okay. But how about my courage? Ask the lion anxiously. You have plenty of courage, I am sure. And the best part about this is the reaction the crowd has.
Starting point is 00:14:00 Confidence in yourself. As you saw in this experience. Silence. the crowd has silence dead fucking silence nobody is cheering nobody is clapping nobody is booing they're just like well
Starting point is 00:14:22 that just happened so according to them, they can take a single minute of recorded audio and recreate the voice. I'm not going to doubt the fact that they can do that. In the age of abundant videos and voice notes, this means it's well within the average consumer's reach to clone the voices of loved ones or anyone else they like. Although this specific application is already controversial, with users on social media calling the feature creepy and a monstrosity, such AI voice mimicry has become increasingly common in recent years.
Starting point is 00:14:59 Just because it's been common doesn't mean it's not also creepy and a monstrosity. Just because it's being common doesn't mean it's not also creepy and a monstrosity. These imitations are often known as audio deepfakes and already regularly used in industries like podcasting. Phil, who's podcasting with a fake voice? Like I know using like a voice filter, but who's podcasting with an audio deepfake? I'm going to find this now. I want to, I have to see this podcast audio deepfake. I'm gonna find this now. I wanna... I have to see this. Podcast, audio, deepfake. There's no way there's someone
Starting point is 00:15:30 doing a podcast like that. Okay, there are podcasts about this. Fair enough. Uh, this audio editing tool deepfaked my voice. Fair enough. Uh, I'm not seeing... I'm just seeing podcasts about this yeah i'm not seeing anyone actually like making a podcast with this voice but you know what it would be pretty cool that seems like an idea
Starting point is 00:15:56 maybe at some point if i ever feel like you know giving up and just not even bothering to make videos anymore i will just feed it hours upon hours of my voice and then just write out scripts and have the videos made for me. Many audio recording suites, for example, offer you the option to clone individual voices from their recordings. That way, if a podcast host flubs
Starting point is 00:16:17 her or his... Oh, I guess if you're repairing lines, fair enough. But usually usually you would just leave it in because that's like unless you're trying to replicate the style of tv most people just want podcasts to be a a constant stream of thoughts like an actual human discussion a human-like discussion you might say human-like empathy um a sound engineer can edit what they've said similar to typing a new script. Replicating lines of seamless speech
Starting point is 00:16:47 requires a lot of work, but very small edits can be made with few clicks. The same technology has been used in film too. Last year it was revealed that a documentary about the life of Chef Anthony Bourdain, who died in 2018, used AI to clone his voice in order to read quotes from emails he sent.
Starting point is 00:17:07 Many fans were disgusted by the application's technology, calling it ghoulish and deceptive. Others defended the used technology as similar or other reconstruction used in documentaries. I don't hate the idea of this tech existing. There are absolutely cases where you can argue it being a thing let's say for example um a star dies in the middle of a movie and you end up wanting to continue you want to honor their like obviously gonna make money from it you want lots of money from it but you also want to
Starting point is 00:17:45 honor their legacy and not just cut them out of the film you want to just at least finish off what you're doing and maybe that's how the person would have wanted would have wanted to go i think that's a reasonable application or in the case of you know repairing voice lines if you actively choose to go and do so with a podcast which I don't think you should anyway but if that's the way you want to manage your show I think that's a fine application as well what I don't think is a good idea though
Starting point is 00:18:14 is making this very easily acceptable to regular people and then marketing it in this weird like in this weird how, in this weird how would you even describe it? This weird soulless corporate approach of dealing with dead family members. Like,
Starting point is 00:18:35 this is probably not a healthy way to deal with a loved one dying. I know that I've had people die as well i know you always like want to see that person again you want to talk to that person again but just having that voice there especially when you're in that like grieving phase a grieving phase not grieving phase that grieving phase there's no way that's going to be healthy for that process and i can only imagine
Starting point is 00:19:05 this leads to like the further degeneration of society and it's just it's not going to be good because right now it's just amazon alexa and this is a a introduction it's not something that is fully widely available there's going to come a point where there'll just be apps on your phone that will do exactly this, or when it actually does roll out, and then other devices start doing the same thing. Yeah. Let alone the problem it's going to have with dealing with audio and video evidence. Audio and video evidence.
Starting point is 00:19:50 Audio is basically worthless as evidence at this point. Images have been worthless for years now. We definitely saw this in the Amber Heard case where literally was faking evidence and video is the same as well. You right now can find a deepfake, like, a deepfake porn of literally any famous person you want to see. And that was, like, when that tech first started coming out, that was the thing that everybody was first doing.
Starting point is 00:20:15 We are entering an era where evidence is just... Like, you cannot trust basically any form of evidence. Anything that we've traditionally thought of as a solid piece of this proved that someone did this, whether it's a robbery or a murder or anything else, we're getting to the point where you can't really trust that. And I think it's going to have to lead to a complete restructuring of the legal system.
Starting point is 00:20:51 Because, like, obviously, you know, testament is worthless as well, because we don't tend to remember stuff properly in a stressful situation. So give it, like, it's still early stage right now, but give it, like like five or ten years. And if evidence is still being trusted the way it is right now, you could literally pin anything on any person
Starting point is 00:21:16 and it's going to look real because I don't think, right now there are ways to detect these aberrations in the content, especially in the voice case, because it is slightly off. In the imagery creation case, definitely, especially with weird hair. If you have flowy hair, brighter hair colors, or lighter hair colors, sorry. It can be... It does look really weird, or it's windy, and things like that, um, but it's only going to get better over time, like, we're not going to hit a point where it's just,
Starting point is 00:21:54 we're going backwards, for example, it might hit a point where it's not getting visually better, but this tech is never going to go backwards. So, I am excited and terrified for the next couple of decades. Look, just don't get yourself in any situation where you could be in potential
Starting point is 00:22:17 legal trouble because, you know, you could just have someone plant evidence on you and there's nothing that you could really do to prove otherwise because they have evidence and You have evidence, but whose evidence is the fake evidence? Well, we have no idea how to prove that and we're kind of fucked Now let's move on to Australia also being kind of fucked Kmart, Bunnings and the good guys use
Starting point is 00:22:46 of facial recognition technology on unsuspecting customers raises concerns. Australia's major leading advocacy group raised major concerns about retailers Kmart, Bunnings and the good guys using facial recognition
Starting point is 00:23:02 technology to record customers' face prints. An investigation by choice, which is that group there has found that 76% of Australians are not aware that are not aware. The retailers record their faces with Kmart and Bunnings only advising customers of the security measure via small signs at the entrance. So when you walk into a Kmart, I wonder where this came
Starting point is 00:23:26 out is i feel like i've seen this came out before um anyway when you walk into the store there is a sign and the sign says this conditions of entry and you know it's gonna you sort of expect it to be like hey there are cameras in here uh it's gonna be captured in case of like a robbery things like that uh we have the right to check your bags when you leave the store uh if you leave the fitting rooms for example we can like we can check they're not stealing something um what it says is it is a condition of entry that any bag parcel carton or container be presented for checking if requested by a team member i've never seen anyone check on entry but there have been people who check on exit um this may occur at the fitting rooms or at the store exit points when leaving the store proof of purchase will need
Starting point is 00:24:16 to be shown so basically have your receipt and this store has 24 hour cctv coverage totally reasonable every store has cameras, which includes facial recognition technology. This one little bit at the end that nobody is ever going to read. All of the rest of it, totally reasonable. You could argue like, oh, maybe I don't want them to check my bags, things like that, but I think it's reasonable.
Starting point is 00:24:41 I think it's totally reasonable that if you leave a store or you enter a store, they are fully within their rights to check whether you have stolen anything, things like that. Facial recognition, not so much. Choices announced is referring the retailers to the Office of Australian Information Commissioner, OAIC, to investigate potential breaches of the Privacy Act. The advocacy group is also calling on the federal government to implement a regulatory framework that protects consumers from harmful and unfair practices. Choice consumer data advocate Kate Bauer has slammed the retailers using facial recognition technology on customers as completely
Starting point is 00:25:23 inappropriate and unnecessary. Using facial recognition technology on customers as completely inappropriate and unnecessary. Using facial recognition technology in this way is similar to Kmart bindings with good guys collecting your fingerprints or DNA every time you shop. I think that's fair. Yeah, I think that's fair. Businesses using invasive technologies to capture their customers' sensitive biometric information is unethical and a sure way to erode consumer trust and you know what it didn't because look the thing with bunnings is bunnings is like a great store i don't think anyone cares good guys no one cares about good guys they no one fucking goes to good good guys and look if kmart fucks up uh you're gonna get a big w back in big w um even if the technology was perfectly accurate and it's up, gonna go to Big W. Back in Big W. Even if the technology was perfectly accurate and it's not, but even
Starting point is 00:26:10 if it were, it takes us into the realm of mass surveillance. This was Edward Santo of the University of Technology, Sydney. Professor there. The Bunnings Chief Operating Officer, the COO Simon McDowell has said Bunnings respectfully operating officer, the COO, Simon McDowell,
Starting point is 00:26:25 McDowell, yeah, McDowell, has said Bunnings respectfully disagrees with choice, with the technology being one of the several measures used to keep staff and customers safe. I don't know how you keep staff safe unless you're going to, like, use that facial recognition to, like, bar people from entering the store so if you enter the store it sets off an alarm or like lets the the uh the staff members
Starting point is 00:26:53 there know that you're not supposed to be in the store um our use is solely for the purpose of preventing threatening situations and theft which it doesn't do. It does not prevent either of that. It can be used as evidence to convict someone afterwards, but it does not prevent anything. At selected stores, our CCTV systems utilize
Starting point is 00:27:19 facial recognition technology, which is used to help prevent theft. No, it doesn't. And support the safety of our team and customers. In recent years, we've seen an increase in the number of challenging interactions our team have had to handle in stores. And this technology is an important tool in helping to prevent repeat abuse of team and customers. I can agree it can help prevent repeat abuse. If you were to send that along to the police or you would which you don't need facial recognition for or if you were to say if they enter the store alert the um alert the staff members of this person
Starting point is 00:27:53 being there uh mcdowell also responded choice request for comment while a choice said came on the good guys did not respond to its inquiries the retailers advise of their use of facial recognition in the privacy policy on their websites, as well as came out and binding, displaying small signs at store entrances. So Good Guys doesn't even like mention it at the store. You have to go to their website to find out the policy of entry.
Starting point is 00:28:18 I feel like that's illegal. I feel like you can't do that. Maybe I'm wrong there, but I feel like if you're going to have like entry requirements, they need to be somewhere that people are actually going to see. Discreet signings and online privacy policies are not nearly enough to adequately inform shoppers that this controversial technology
Starting point is 00:28:40 is in use. Technology is capturing highly personal data from customers, including infants and children. There is also that concern, isn't there? I'm not sure what Australia's laws regarding facial recognition on children are. I'm not certain about that.
Starting point is 00:29:01 Choice surveyed more than 1,000 Australians between March and April 2022 to gauge customer awareness of facial recognition technology with 76% of people saying they did not know retailers were using the technology. Those who suspected
Starting point is 00:29:16 it was being used wrongly named Coles and Woolworths for using technology. These are our major supermarkets. What would they be equivalent of in the US? Walmart, I guess.
Starting point is 00:29:31 I guess? Wait. Wait. Walmart? Maybe a bit more... I don't know. Anyway, there are local supermarkets. Our major supermarkets. If you work it out for your own country, whatever.
Starting point is 00:29:57 So that happened two weeks ago. And there was a more recent article that they have. Here we go. Let's see if I can find it. If I look up. No, not that. Bunnings facial recognition. I think there was a more recent article they didn't grab the link to.
Starting point is 00:30:23 It's not there. Wait, is this the link? Wait, maybe this is the link. I think this is possibly the link. This is good content. I think... No, I can't find it, but there was a...
Starting point is 00:30:47 There was an article I saw that they started to back down. I can't find... Shit, I should have saved it. Australia Facial Recognition. Oh, here it is. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:04 Wait, it's also from 9... Why did I not save that link? Why did I save the other one and not this link? So, the good guys... This is the stark reality. Shut the fuck up. The good guys to pause facial recognition technology following the backlash. The one store...
Starting point is 00:31:20 The one store that didn't have any policy, like, any visible signage whatsoever. Like, yeah, you know what? We're going to stop doing this. Major retailer The Good Guys announced it will temporarily stop using facial recognition technology in stores following backlash about the data collection, which is called invasive and unnecessary. Very true.
Starting point is 00:31:40 The home appliance chain... Oh, yeah, there you go. That's what Good Guys does, in case you don't know. They basically sell, like, beds, appliances, TVs, things like that. The home appliance chain has said it will pause using the technology pending any clarification from the Office of the Australian Information Commissioner.
Starting point is 00:31:59 I like how they say they're going to pause it, and that's the reason they've paused it. Not because of the, they want to respect their customers or anything like that. It's just like, hey, we're more than happy to keep using this, but we want to make sure it's not illegal first. At least pretend to care.
Starting point is 00:32:17 The move has come two weeks after Australia's leading consumer advocacy group, Choice, raised serious concerns about Kmart, Bunnings, and the good guys. Choice announced on June 5th. We're at this already.
Starting point is 00:32:31 That was from last one. Yep, yep. I think we've... Yeah, most of this is basically just from the other article. A statement from the company has said, it takes the confidentiality of personal information extremely seriously and remains confident that the trial complied with all applicable laws. They're not saying we respect your privacy,
Starting point is 00:32:58 only that we respect the confidentiality of your personal information. The technology was used solely to review incidents of theft, which you don't need facial recognition for, and the purposes of customer and team member safety and well-being, which you also don't need facial recognition for. Choices since called the move by the good guys an important first step, and it's called on Kmart and Bunnings to follow suit. This important step in the right direction for the good guys, and a first step, and it's called on Kmart and Bunnings to follow suit. This important step in the right direction for the good guys
Starting point is 00:33:27 and a decision we know reflects community expectations. Choice Senior Campaigns and Policy Advisor Amy Pereira, I'm going to say. Meanwhile, Bunnings and Kmart are lagging behind when it comes to any kind of commitment to stop the unethical and unnecessary use of facial recognition technology in their stores. We urge Kmart and Bunnings to reflect on the announcement made yesterday by the good guys and ask them to end their use of facial recognition technology in store. Following our investigation, we've had an overwhelming response from the Australian community saying clearly they do not want this kind of technology used in retail stores.
Starting point is 00:34:06 People who shop at the good guys will be pleased to know they're now able to do their shopping without this intrusive technology monitoring them. Which, yeah, I agree. Good first step. I would appreciate this not needing to be a step altogether, but, you know, it is what it is. I want to just show you a little bit about this store,
Starting point is 00:34:24 this video here. So there was a TV coverage of this as well and the tv coverage is fucking hilarious i can't play too much because i don't know i might get a strike or something but just just have a listen to this this is the stark reality in china scanning the faces of students to let them in to school in the US eyes above patrol classrooms. I love Australian TV news. We just picked the fucking craziest examples we can find. Like, hey, let's go with China and US schools locking down because of potential shootings that can happen. And this is how we're going to make the Australian people listen to us. Welcome to Australia.
Starting point is 00:35:16 We don't do any things in halves. Everything is done to the absolute extreme. Like, man, I don't watch tv news outside of like visiting my parents but every every time i do it's it's just always fucking incredible anyway that's it for the dystopian future i have no more of that let's talk about something that is um you know let's just talk about something that's blatantly good. There's nothing bad about this. Everybody can agree that this is a good thing.
Starting point is 00:35:52 Actually, you know, I take back what I said. There's a lot of people who don't like the company and will disagree that anything they do is actually good. So Red Hat hires a blind software engineer to improve accessibility on the Linux desktop. Red Hat is hiring a blind software engineer to help with the accessibility refinements in Gnome, Fedora, and RHEL.
Starting point is 00:36:16 This is a good first step by Red Hat. So I've said this before. I think I was talking to... Yeah, it was when I was talking to Niccolo, actually. We got into the topic of accessibility, and I don't even remotely know what you would... What would be important to consider for accessibility?
Starting point is 00:36:35 Like, I know the basic stuff, like worrying about screen readers, for example, and colorblind modes and different types of colorblind modes depending on your type of colorblindness uh larger fonts larger buttons things like that but probably the best person to know like what you would need to deal with some like deal with blindness when using these systems is probably someone who's also blind. So starting with Red Hat hiring, Lucas...
Starting point is 00:37:09 What the fuck is that name? I have no idea how to pronounce that. For anyone just listening, T-Y-R-y-c-h-t-r we you know what we're gonna we're gonna go to youtube youtube is gonna tell me how to pronounce his name um how to say i can't find a thing i i apologize um luc, the Red Hat developer. I have no idea how to say your name. To say, if you happen to see this, I would, please let me know.
Starting point is 00:38:02 Yeah, I found his Twitter. But that's about as far as we're about to get. Uh, yeah, I, I don't know how to say this guy's name. Anyway, I'm getting distracted by his name. Um, starting with Red Hat hiring Lucas, who is a blind software engineer to lead the effort in improving Red Hat Enterprise Linux and Fedora Workstation in terms of accessibility. Here, let me summarize some of the important parts of the blog post. We will have a look at the blog post as well. Actually, no, we'll do that in a second.
Starting point is 00:38:38 While I mentioned that Gnome managed to have decent accessibility support in the past, Christian, this is referring to the author of this article. Christian mentions what happened over the years. The first concerted effort to support accessibility under Linux was undertaken by Sun Microsystems when they decided to use Gnome for Solaris. Sun put together a team focused on building the pieces to make Gnome 2 fully accessible and work with hardware makers to make sure
Starting point is 00:39:07 things like braille devices work well. I've talked about these before. You can basically get like a braille screen. I'll show you guys one. They're like fucking crazy. Braille Braille display.
Starting point is 00:39:26 Here we go. Like there's different forms of these but... Here we go. Braille display... Images... Yeah, here's one of them. So it's like, whatever shows up on the screen, So it's like, whatever shows up on the screen, you can go over stuff and it shows up. So these white dots here all raise up to be in different braille forms. It's like a really, really cool device. Anyway.
Starting point is 00:40:00 I even heard claims that Gnome and Linux had the best accessibility at any operating system for a while due to this effort. As some started struggling and got acquired by Oracle, this accessibility effort eventually trailed off with the community trying to pick up the slack afterwards. In a nutshell, after Gnome 3, not a lot of concentrated efforts were put into enhancing the accessibility of the gnome desktop of course with every desktop environment release the community slash developers try their best to improve aspects but a dedicated effort wasn't possible without proper guidance and resources that's the main thing someone who like actually has like is blind is deaf can actually offer and offer proper guidance and like because i can make guesses about what might happen but i'm not using that system someone who actually is can tell you like this is what's wrong with it
Starting point is 00:40:51 um or at least they can give you estimations what's wrong with it hiring a blind software engineer with plans for more that is good i hope hopefully like some hopefully bring in um you know some dev software engineers as well to address that aspect as well, but this is definitely a good idea, is a big deal and should go a long way to improve the state of accessibility on the Linux desktop. Christian asked Lucas about it, and here's what he mentions.
Starting point is 00:41:20 Generally, the desktop is usable, okay? At least with GTK, Qt, and major web browsers, and all recent electron-based applications, which is the vast majority of stuff. This does cover most things then. Yes, accessibility support receives much less testing than I would like. So, for example, a segmentation... Yeah, that's not spread.
Starting point is 00:41:43 So, for example, a segmentation phone... Yeah, that's not spread. So for example, a segmentation phone with a running screen reader can still unfortunately slip through a GTK release. But generally, the foundation works well enough. Having more and naturally sounding voice for a speech synthesis might help attract more blind users,
Starting point is 00:41:59 but convincing all the players is no easy work. Overall, the fundamental slash basic options for accessibility are but convincing all the players is no easy work. Overall, the fundamental slash basic options for accessibility are in place, but can use improvements to make it a seamless experience across the platform. Okay, so the plans for accessibility improvements. With the current efforts, I think GNOME, Fedora,
Starting point is 00:42:17 Fedora Workstation, and RHEL should get meaningful improvements in the coming years. But what kind of enhancements are we looking at? You can read the blog post to get the details. But here's a summary. Need for more utilities for accessibility. Currently it is limited to extremely few tools. Orca and SpeakUp.
Starting point is 00:42:40 Orca I don't recognize. But SpeakUp is a voice sensor system. Focusing on applications ported to GTK4, fair enough. Educating developers about focusing on the accessibility of their applications. This, I think, is very important because while you're going to be an amazing resource to test things out and and know what can be done you can't do everything yourself so ensuring that other developers are actually able to help out with that i think is really important and nobody has commented on this article um i will probably end up doing a video on this oh it's just a okay i thought it was like going to be a video on this. It's just a...
Starting point is 00:43:25 Okay, I thought it was going to be a list or something. No, it's just like... It's literally a fucking text up. Okay. Wait, is that the... That wasn't the blog post, was it? Wait. I thought it was saying that he wrote a blog post.
Starting point is 00:43:38 Oh, no. Okay, the blog post was in the Fedora magazine. I am... Probably going to do a video on this. I've never... Wait, what is this? Honestly, only a few. There's SpeakUp Accountable Module. This is referring to
Starting point is 00:43:53 applications for accessibility which can read consoles using speech synthesis e.g. a screen reader for these. However, without something like eSpeak, a eSpeak-to-speak-up bridge, the thing is basically useless,
Starting point is 00:44:10 as it by default supports hardware synthesizers. However, this piece of hardware is basically a thing of the past. I've never seen one thing myself. Oh, e.g. I've never seen one thing myself. Ah, right. Then there's Braille TTY. This piece of software provides Braille output for screen consoles and an API for applications which want to output Braille
Starting point is 00:44:34 so the drivers can be implemented only once. And that's basically it. Except for some efforts to create an ORC or alternative in Rust, but that's a really long ways off. Of course, utilities for other accessibility needs to exist as well, but I's a really long ways off. Of course utilities for other accessibility need to exist as well, but I don't know much about these. Yeah, this is something that
Starting point is 00:44:51 I think is very important. I've said this a couple of times now, I'm going to say it again. He's probably a really great resource for problems involving blind accessibility, but like me probably knows fucking nothing about like hearing impediment,
Starting point is 00:45:16 uh, accessibility and things like that, or, um, not having like full, uh, full range of motion or not being at, not,
Starting point is 00:45:24 not having an arm or things like being able to use your system effectively with a single hand or different input device styles and things like that considering that he doesn't have like those other problems he's probably just as lost about those solutions as someone like i like i actually would be. So I do think it's very important for them to bring on, not necessarily other developers, they don't have to be developers, but at least other people who can advise them about ways the system can be improved that would affect them in their own personal way of using the system. I'm sure someone is going to see this and be like, Red Hat bad. Red Hat's
Starting point is 00:46:07 always bad. But, look, if we're being completely honest, I don't think there's any way you can argue that what Red Hat is doing here is bad. Like, I really don't think you can actually say that. But I know someone's going to try. Since we're on the topic
Starting point is 00:46:23 of a... I can't fucking speak today. Since we're on the topic of accessibility, let's talk about accessibility in the context of something else. Accessibility in the context of a video game. There was a update to Dead Cells which offered a free accessibility upgrade. Dead Cells is really, really great at, like, providing free content, free updates, and just supporting the game
Starting point is 00:46:55 really, really well. Um, so Dead Cells is a great game. Very true, Liam. Uh, not only does it look great, but the action is awesome. Also, very true. However, it is rather difficult for some, nearly impossible, wait. However, it is rather difficult for some, and rather difficult, and for some, nearly impossible. So the developers have put out a few, a huge
Starting point is 00:47:17 free upgrade to help people, to help more people play it. I can't... Okay. A rather admirable update, really, as accessibility should never be looked down upon, and during their testing, the developer said they received
Starting point is 00:47:33 pretty much zero negative feedback on the general options they were introducing. Yeah. There is one bit, there is one bit that I will have a discussion on. However, the new assist mode that gives multiple lives, auto-hitting, and adjustable trap damage
Starting point is 00:47:47 did receive some community pushback. This is the part that we're going to talk about. Addressing that in an update, they made it clear the whole point is to let people enjoy... Wait. Is to let people to enjoy the... That's a weird sentence. To let people to enjoy the game who would otherwise be excluded from doing so, and it's entirely optional. So what they're doing is
Starting point is 00:48:12 loads of new options to improve accessibility such as adjustable font type and size. Very, very good. I think by default doesn't Dead Cells have like a pixelati font? I want to say it does. by default doesn't Dead Cells have like a pixel art-y font? I want to say it does. Dead Cells... I want to say it uses a pixel... I know like the general gameplay is pixel art, but I can't remember how the font looks.
Starting point is 00:48:36 Yeah, yeah, okay. Here we go. Actually, Dead Cells menu. We'll show that. That'll work well. Let me see the image. Oh, wait, no. Okay, this... No, no, take back what I said. It definitely is pixel art. Or, in some cases, I guess...
Starting point is 00:48:57 Yeah, for this... For the icons, it is, but for the general text, it's not. But if you have dyslexia, for example, dealing with this font might be kind of difficult. And I fully support adding in an option that makes this easier to read for certain people. I don't think anyone can really argue against making the font and the font sizes easier to read.
Starting point is 00:49:22 Increasing font sizes generally is always a good thing. Assuming you test it properly to make sure the interfaces don't break and text overflows, things like that. Input customization, which was already there. I'm not sure what that actually means. Because that was definitely in the game already. There's a video here.
Starting point is 00:49:43 Oh, they don't lay it out cleanly. Yeah, I'm not sure what that means because you could even double bind stuff in dead cells. I'm not sure what this part means. An individual adjustment of sound effect vault. Why was that not already in the game? Every game, add this. Like, let me adjust the voice sounds separately
Starting point is 00:50:05 from the attack sounds and the walk... Yes, attack sounds, walking sounds, enemy sounds. Let me adjust all of those things, like, separately. That would be nice. Generally, you do get voices and sound effects separate, but having sound effects separate as well would be awesome. Seven weapons were reworked, fair enough. Okay, the rest of these things are actually not
Starting point is 00:50:25 related to the update assist mode assist mode including a customization of enemy health slash damage trap speed slash damage and parry window plus options for multiple lives auto hit with auto-hit with primary weapon, and a full map reveal. Now, I... I don't hate the fact that this is an option. So Dead Cells already had a... it had like, custom mode where you could literally... like, you could literally break the game by just forcing it to give you basically only like, three weapons. So you all all, like whenever you get a weapon drop, it's always going to the weapon, and if it's on the next floor, it's going to be a better weapon. They've changed up the way that weapon, like the inputs work. So, oh, this is what they meant.
Starting point is 00:51:21 Okay, okay, okay. Now I get it. oh okay okay okay now i get it um so you can hold attack to perform combos okay jump as long as the jump button is held so it's like a you bunny hop okay fair enough uh shield toggle press a shield key to toggle uh holding it on and off i think that's also a good thing uh hold to roll yeah also good i think all of smart roll, so it'll stop you from rolling off of high platforms. I think all of these are good changes. I think having them as an option are perfectly fine changes.
Starting point is 00:51:56 Additional options. Oh, oh, this is what they mean. So they change the, let you change the way... Oh! Wait, is the way... Oh! Wait, is this for... Oh, wait, there wasn't... Was there not bindings for...
Starting point is 00:52:12 Okay, there probably wasn't bindings for the control... No, there was. Wait, what? No, there definitely was. Wait... What is this, then? I'm not... I'm not sure that this... Am I forgetting?
Starting point is 00:52:29 I'm sure that was in the game before. Maybe it wasn't. Maybe you just couldn't rebind the keys before and I just forgot about that. Anyway, visual options. Let's see what they've actually done here. I'm just seeing gameplay right now. What have they actually done? Wait, have they... Is anything customised here? Okay, you seeing gameplay right now. What have they actually done? Wait, have they...
Starting point is 00:52:51 Is anything customized here? Okay, you're dead, sure. I don't think they've changed anything. Oh, okay, there we go. So you can make this... You can make the UI smaller. Okay, that's also nice. I know some people would like just don't want to see as much of the UI on the screen. You can make it way bigger. Also a really nice thing to have as an option. Um, okay. Oh, here we go. Okay, okay, okay. So we have the pixelated font. This is the regular font. We have Arial, so it just puts in a regular font. Do we- we have a dyslexia friendly font. Okay, also very nice to have. And classic font. Okay, I guess Classic Font is the way it normally looks. Okay, okay. The UI looks a bit scuffed, but it works.
Starting point is 00:53:32 You can change... Ooh, okay, this is also a good one. So, if you haven't played Dead Cells before, basically, your different upgrades, you have Brutality, Tactic and Survival. These will give
Starting point is 00:53:48 you more damage and more health for different types of weapons. And by default, it's red, purple and green. But those colours might not be good for you, or maybe you just generally want to go and customise it. You could
Starting point is 00:54:03 do so previously with the mods, now they've just straight up added a color slider into the game, which is just good. I think this is a good change. I don't need to use it, but I just like that being a nice option there. What is this? This is just, is this showing off different fonts? Oh, and it's just showing off the different colors. Yeah, okay. Oh, it also changes the icons. Okay, that's just showing off the different colors. Yeah, okay. Oh, it also changes the icons. Okay, that's good. So they've got it set up properly.
Starting point is 00:54:32 Wait, does this change the... Wait, have they... Is there a colorblind mode in here that they just didn't mention existed? Wait, because the game looks fucking weird right now. Okay, that's definitely a colorblind mode because the game looks fucking weird right now. Okay, that's definitely a colorblind mode. Because the game does not look like that. Was there a colorblind mode here that just didn't show? I think there was.
Starting point is 00:54:57 Okay. There's definitely a colorblind mode now. Which is good. Auditory options. What do we have for auditory? How do our sliders look? How many fucking volume sliders are there? Hold up a second.
Starting point is 00:55:17 How many volumes? Okay, so we have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Sure. So there's what? 7? That's a good change. Look, fully agree. four, five, six, sure. So there's, what, seven? That's a good change. Look, fully agree. Good change here.
Starting point is 00:55:35 Like, this isn't even just an accessibility thing. I just think this is a good change. The game should, every game should have that. Was there anything I missed earlier in the video? I don't think there was. So let's go up to the assist mode and see what they have. Okay, so reveal map. This completely reveals the map. Auto-hit.
Starting point is 00:55:55 You automatically attack nearby enemies with your primary melee weapon. I think that would actually hurt you in many cases. Destroy doors. Nearby doors are automatically destroyed honestly i don't like doors in the game can we just can i just have a toggle to remove doors um easier power you have more time to trigger a parry i don't know what that actually means but um it's bigger power sure okay. Okay. Bigger power window. Uh, slower traps.
Starting point is 00:56:28 So this one actually gives you a slider to control it. Oh, are you going to show off like the things one by one? Okay. Please don't do that. It's really annoying. I know you're demoing stuff, but let me just talk about stuff for my podcast. And you can adjust the health by how low does it let you take it. Can you take it all the way to the bottom? No, you didn't take it all the way to the bottom. Okay. That? This guy's fucking good
Starting point is 00:56:47 at moving. Jeez, okay. The guy playing right now definitely does not need the assist mode. Definitely not. What else do we have here? So, we have a... So, we have a... Okay, we have revives, multiple deaths, and then it gives you a number... I actually like this as an option. I... I don't...
Starting point is 00:57:17 So, the reason why I like this as an option is as a way to learn the game. So, I haven't... is the update actually out yet if it's out i haven't played with it i don't know if it addresses um like if this stops you from progressing in the game judging by what the devs said though they just want people to play the game i'm guessing that even if you go and enable some of the things in the assist mode, you can still progress to the game perfectly fine. So you defeat the final boss.
Starting point is 00:57:52 You get the like, king cell or whatever. The thing to go to the next section to unlock the harder version of the game. I think this isn't going to affect that. It might affect achievements, but I think this isn't going to affect that. It might affect achievements, but I think it's a tough question to answer whether, like, I think it's really easy to say that all of the, like, volume slider stuff, all of the modifying your inputs like toggles rather than hold down all of that stuff is
Starting point is 00:58:27 generally good I Think you can make a case against making the game easier. I Don't think you can make a case against whether the devs want to do it themselves Like if they want to go out of their way to make like add a difficulty option, I think it's probably fine. I know some, I know some like purists of the game probably aren't a fan, but I think it's fine to do this.
Starting point is 00:59:04 Honestly, what I would like is if they add it the other way as well. So rather than having it like stop at 100%, let you actually make the game harder as well. I think less people would be bothered by it then because then some people would be like, Hey, I'm gonna like turn up every slider to the max. Traps? Insta-death. Fucking enemy damage? 200% damage. Traps activate twice as fast. Things like
Starting point is 00:59:32 that. I think then, like, if you did it that way as well, less people would be bothered. I don't think a game should ever be pressured into having these options. Like, if a dev doesn't want to have difficulty options,
Starting point is 00:59:48 like Souls games, for example, Elden Ring, whatever, I think it's fine they don't do that. But I think it's probably also fine if a dev wants to go and do so, because they clearly just want people to go and experience the game. Like, that's why they're adding them. Let's see what some of the comments on Gaming on Linux say. In my situation, I'm pretty much
Starting point is 01:00:14 like, I'm not going to use it, but if you want to use it and if you want to learn the game, I think it's also not a bad idea for that as well. I'm all for opening up to new audiences, and it's awesome people who otherwise wouldn't be able to play to get
Starting point is 01:00:29 to enjoy stuff, but achievements and trophies pop when using such assists. If they do, that makes any achievements meaningless. Achievements are meaningless. You're fucking achieving something in a video game. Go touch grass. Not have any meaning in the first place,
Starting point is 01:00:45 of course. Yeah, well, you worked that out already. That wouldn't change anything. If people don't want to get achievements the intended way, can you use things like the Steam Achievement Manager? I have no idea what this is. We're going to look that up. I'll go over the comments still, but I'm going to bring it up.
Starting point is 01:01:06 I was talking more about consoles and PC, but fair enough. Fair enough. Honestly, I don't really understand the... But who... Wait. Honestly, I really don't understand the... But what about my achievements crowd? Seriously, who cares?
Starting point is 01:01:20 I can understand why some people place a lot of value in hard-to-achieve things in video games. Like, I get it. And I think this take is dumb. Like, if you enjoy something, that's fine if you enjoy it. But I personally don't think it's a big deal. The Sheep. No, difficulty is not an accessibility option. An accessibility option is something that enables people to play a game
Starting point is 01:01:46 who would otherwise not be able to due to disabilities so a difficulty option like you can have like, you can make the argument that difficulty is an accessibility option because there is a lot of people who physically
Starting point is 01:02:02 like, can't play a game because they have some sort of maybe, you know, they're missing an arm. Like, they can't physically cannot play the game in the way it was intended, and as such have to sort of adapt
Starting point is 01:02:17 their style, and maybe they are not able to get as good at the game as other people might be able to. Dyslexia, colorblindness, etc. Actual disabilities. You know, missing an arm, not a disability. And those should be in way more games than they are. I do agree that accessibility options should be in more games, though. I will agree with that.
Starting point is 01:02:37 Although I do understand that they definitely increase development costs providing them, and normal devs can afford that for such small audience. But there's no such thing as is bad at video games disability. Missing an arm. I'm going to keep going with that one. Like, missing
Starting point is 01:02:55 some fingers. Like, you don't have the fingers that would sit on W Let's say you're missing these fingers here. You have your pinky and your thumb. So you cannot use WASD. You have your pinky and your thumb. So you cannot use WASD. You have to have some sort of other method to move around the game. But there's no such thing as bad at video games disability.
Starting point is 01:03:17 That's a mere question of what one is willing to invest in order to improve. People aren't willing to invest anything to improve, shouldn't be catered to and rewarded for their laziness. Yeah, man, missing a hand is laziness. One misunderstanding or lack of knowledge I see often in this context is that some players and devs don't understand why an option such as this would affect someone who's not using it. You don't have to use it to affect you. Let me explain for those in the back rows. Imagine Achievements is an exclusive club. You need a better club, man. Everyone in that club is assured of their exclusive status and that of everyone else at the club.
Starting point is 01:03:51 It's a good feeling, something to strive for, but if the floodgates are open, everyone's allowed in, suddenly the exclusiveness is no longer there and that club feels mighty crowded now. Well, here's the thing, right? Your achievements already meant nothing to you to achieve for them, but there are mods that just give you infinite health. Like, shut up. But you can still have the achievement of
Starting point is 01:04:16 completing it without using any of the things to make it easier. You can still be like, I did this without the benefits you can get from using the cis mode. You can think that people are dicks or whatever but you can't argue there's no effect that they factually are uh you're factually stupid because you're making an argument based on based on how would you describe based on the fact that you can't lord over the fact that you didn't use the mode like
Starting point is 01:04:46 you can specifically go around saying i did this without using the mode you can call that elitism if you want no i think elitism is fine here and you're just missing the whole point um but i also don't believe that elitism is if defined by skill talent and perseverance a perseverance and not just inheritance or status is a bad thing at all. Quite on the contrary. If people are worried about their bragging rights being watered down, they're already being watered down by tools like the above.
Starting point is 01:05:12 Yes, cheating tools that you could already use, that are already available, that have always been available. That's why I'm saying you should never strive to, wait, never strive to get good at anything because shortcuts exist and someone else will use them, which would then invalidate or lower your own accomplishments.
Starting point is 01:05:28 Other views and inadequacies should never serve as an excuse for your own. I think this guy's like completely missed what was said here. I am almost certain this person listed out tools you could have already used to do this. And that this is just having it in the game itself. All of that being said though, the devs here do explain in game that this new mode is not the way the game should be played unless you
Starting point is 01:05:53 really feel like you do need it. And then try to motivate players to actually increase the difficulty. I don't agree with including modes like that, but among implementations of story like modes that I can't stand, this is really the least devaluing option possible. But among implementations of story-like
Starting point is 01:06:10 modes that I can't... Wait, what? I don't agree with including modes like that, but among implementations of story-like modes that I can't stand... What? This guy... Wait. Is this like a... Wait, is this a-
Starting point is 01:06:26 Is this a fucking 90s Andy? Is this a video games were the best in the 90s and anything past the 90s is objectively bad? If you cannot complete Doom on the hardest difficulty, then you're a bad video game player. I have a feeling that's what this guy is. This is really the least valuable option and they did that years after the game first came out. At this point, the exclusive club has been open for years
Starting point is 01:06:52 and whoever was in it more likely had their share by now. There was never an exclusive club! You could always cheat for the achievement, my guy! Whether it's just giving yourself the achievement or literally just using mods um
Starting point is 01:07:10 stuff like this is handy if you share games with your younger relatives though that actually is I honestly kids are dumb like kids will just bash their head against the wall if you give them the game they can't play so honestly it's fine then.
Starting point is 01:07:28 But I think that's a fair point. Like, if you get your, like, five-year-old who ever played the game, obviously that specific use case doesn't apply to this specific game since it's rated 16. Shut the fuck up. You don't care about age rating.
Starting point is 01:07:39 No one cares about age rating. But a good range of difficulty options is useful in other games that are known for high difficulty but can have broader appeal. I seem to recall hearing that Capcom did something like that for one of their titles. I think it was one of the Mega Man ones. And it helped
Starting point is 01:07:53 there since they put those games on ice for so long, they had to cultivate a new audience who didn't have decades of gaming experience. How long is this comment? Oh, it's not long. That said, I fully get where you're coming from with regard to earning skill
Starting point is 01:08:07 by investing time slash talent slash patience. Into it, as I used to play stuff competitively and would often find myself rolling my eyes
Starting point is 01:08:15 at excuses and or poor conduct from those who felt that spending extra money be that on DLC, peripherals, whatever, entitled them to success
Starting point is 01:08:23 even if they didn't. Who thinks that? Unless, we're talking about DLC, peripherals, whatever, entitle them to success, even if they didn't. Who thinks that? Unless, we're talking about DLC, micro-transactions, Diablo Immortal, 540,000 to max out your character. But for me, I only think that'll apply in competitive
Starting point is 01:08:38 events. I'd rather chill with single-player experiences. Oh, that's the other thing to point out. Dead Cells is a single-player game, so it doesn't really matter what you do. You don't. Dead Cells is a single-player game, so it doesn't really matter what you do. You don't have achievements. Like, it's a single-player game. You're not competing against anyone. Unless you stream, I guess. Or you like- yeah, whatever. I feel like at any given time, and I'm happy to see others do the same. Disclaimer, I'm not one of those folks who are completely nonplussed by the achievement text, though.
Starting point is 01:09:05 In my youth- Wait. Wait, who are you responding to with the Battletoads point there? Oh, okay, different guy. I was gonna- I was gonna say, if this was the same guy and he actually was like a- He was a 90s Andy, that would have been amusing. Wait, where was the comment I was reading?
Starting point is 01:09:27 Ah, this was Battletoads. In my youth, I'd finished a couple of games, people often include a list of most difficult games ever, like the NES Battletoads, but the older I get, the less patient I have to play games with sadistic levels of difficulty. There is just too many games out there for me to spend money on, some that doesn't bring me joy.
Starting point is 01:09:43 I'm in this boat too, I must admit I'm not always in the mood, or don't always have time for that sort of time investment nowadays, so I appreciate having a range of options for when I don't, or for the above use case, where the younger crowd takes an interest. Video games are a hobby, a hobby descended from toys after all. Games being a time respectful wasn't usually a major consideration in my youth, but it will sometimes influence the priority that I put on a game purchase now. The ones that I revisited the most had this property too. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's fair.
Starting point is 01:10:20 Oh, what is this? You're commenting about other... The chief's been commenting a lot on here. So this is responding to someone else. I'm going to eventually stop reading this article, but this is just amusing you too much. Other people's admiration, read, should also not be your sole motivation
Starting point is 01:10:40 to invest time into getting better. If achievements are the only thing that motivates you to dig into a difficult game, you really should work on your self-sufficiency. Very true. Who are you to say what should or shouldn't motivate people? Motivation is a very hard thing to come by. So honestly, any source of it is absolutely valid to me.
Starting point is 01:10:59 I think you need to direct time that things are not really going to be. Go touch some grass. Here we go. Oh, oh some grass. Here we go. Oh, okay, here we go. Now we're going to be talking about the thing I mentioned. There are people out there that just don't have the reaction time or motor skills to master such a game, and there is nothing they can do about it,
Starting point is 01:11:18 no matter how hard they train. That is simply not true. Everyone, unless an actual disability prevents them which is what the person is talking about here is capable of learning any skill at least to a level of competent obviously people have varying amounts of talent but talent never prevents you from improving yourself in a skill it only makes the process longer or faster? What? Wait, I- You completely
Starting point is 01:11:52 disregarded what the person said and just go on this long rant. I can fully understand that someone doesn't want to invest the time necessary to get good in a game. I'm the same way about fighting games a la Street Fighter. Fair enough. I don't like fighting games either. Hence, I stopped playing them. But then I just play one of the thousands of other games more suitable to me. I don't go demanding Street Fighter be changed to suit my laziness.
Starting point is 01:12:18 I absolutely despise that kind of handout mentality, as it breeds weak minds. Oh my god, okay. This guy follows Jocko on twitter um nor would i want to impact the club of people who like street fighter the way it is uh and given and even then there are people who overcome the disability eg the guy who beat elden ring and others while being only being able to move his head and mouth using a mouth controller uh this guy could have gone whining on social media like so many others. Instead, he overcame
Starting point is 01:12:48 truly inspiring. What is this guy talking about? What is this guy talking about with whining? Like, sure, there are definitely people who whine about this in plenty of other contexts, but the devs wanted to go and add this themselves. What are you fucking talking
Starting point is 01:13:05 about? See, this is what I mean. Like, there are some people out there who are, like, stuck in the way that games have to be, and if anything ever diverges from that, like, you have to apply
Starting point is 01:13:21 this insane level of mental gymnastics to get it to a point that you can understand. Like, you have to apply this insane level of mental gymnastics to get it to a point that you can understand. Like, oh, people are demanding this. How dare people have options? Like, shut the fuck up. Just shut the fuck up, honestly. We're going to move on from that.
Starting point is 01:13:41 And yeah, not keep ranting about... We might keep ranting about stuff, but not ranting about these comments. Since we're on the topic of video games, I want to talk a little bit about FFXVI. So, I right now am obviously, you know, playing a lot of XIV and I'm right now also playing through XV. XV, I think, is a really fun game. I can understand why a lot of people aren't a fan of it. Like, the combat system is a little bit scuffy. Like, if you've not played 15,
Starting point is 01:14:16 basically you have four weapons you can select, but the way the combat works is one button. I guess technically two, but generally one button. So you'll do your combo by holding down circle and then pushing a direction on the thumbstick. That is all you do. Every combo you want to do is just that. You will press triangle every so often, go and teleport around, and I guess you can use your, like, um, your party attacks, like, you can tell, like, different members of your party to do certain attacks by pressing, like, L1 and then one of the, uh, I think it's one of the directions on the D, how does it face button? I can't remember. I've been playing a bunch and I forgot how the game
Starting point is 01:15:02 works, but combat system is kind of scuffy. But the other problem the 15 has is it's an open world, but it's like, it's kind of like a Skyrim open world. So the problem it has is the world is very big, but there's not much in the world. It's sort of just like big for the sake is very big, but there's not much in the world. It's sort of just like, big for the sake of being big. Which, I guess, is entertaining
Starting point is 01:15:35 for... It's entertaining for a bit. Like, it can certainly be enjoyable to, like, run around the landscape, ride your chocobo around, and, like, drive your car around and all of that stuff. But when it gets to the point where it's like, you know,
Starting point is 01:15:52 10 minutes to get to the next, like to get back to an area or like a two minute drive to like with nothing happening, it's just like driving on the road for two minutes just to get to the next town or the next stop or whatever. Once you do that enough times, it starts to get like
Starting point is 01:16:11 really boring. Because sure, it might take longer than that to get somewhere in like Dark Souls or Bloodborne, but things are generally happening along the way. Like you'll be walking through an area and an enemy will jump out, or like, maybe there'll be
Starting point is 01:16:28 an item to the side, or there'll be a path you didn't notice, but when it's just a big open world and you're just driving through a forest or you're just driving through a desert, there's not really much that's... Like, there's not really
Starting point is 01:16:44 much that's going there's not really much that's going on there articles from the time, like there's a video from IGN back in 2016 where they just said, why
Starting point is 01:16:59 open world is superior, which is not really superior like I'm not Like, I'm enjoying it, but I'll be happy when it's not there. And the good thing about FFXVI is it's probably not going to be open world, so it can actually have a global scale. So the world is going to be smaller to make the world feel bigger that seems kind of weird but when you have an open world you have to go and populate everything but if you have a not necessarily like a linear path but like more closed areas you can show off more of the world and you can populate those areas with a lot more things to do. And I am very excited to see how 16 is actually going to play out like that.
Starting point is 01:17:51 Plus 16 is also going to be like a real-time action game. So 15 was already a good step in that direction. But 16, from my understanding, is going to be be more like something maybe it's not a great comparison but closer to something like you know tales of bizaria for example where you're just it's just an action game like there are certainly um you know tactical approaches you can take to the fights and ways you can structure your combat but at its core it's still an action game and running around beating the shit out of things is the main focus and as much as i would like another turn-based final fantasy game like i think i like turn-based games i know a lot of people out there aren't fans and they like action games instead or they like like a mix between the two
Starting point is 01:18:47 it would be nice to have a good turn-based game again but look i want to see what yoship does with uh with with a real-time action game in look basically the world is ff14 like fucking FFXIV. Like, this game, so, YoshiP has literally said that XIV is like a a, I guess a theme park of previous Final Fantasies. XIV
Starting point is 01:19:14 is, uh, so, XVI is what would happen if YoshiP made XIV as a single player game. Like, all of the all of the, um all of the icon designs are literally their XIV designs. Like, there have been so many different designs
Starting point is 01:19:31 of Ifrit and Shiva and Garuda and Titan. And the designs he went with in XVI are the XIV designs. Just like, you know what? Fuck it. I guess Titan is slightly different. And Shiva is slightly different just because of things that happened in 14. But everyone else looks the fucking same.
Starting point is 01:19:51 Bahamut looks the same. Ramuh looks the same. Everybody else looks the same. And any of the other icons that are probably going to be in the game probably look the same as well. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. I'm just saying that this is basically what Yoshi would do if he could
Starting point is 01:20:08 make 14 in a single player game. Yeah. I am interested to see what happens with 16. Like, I'm not going to pre-order it whenever those open. That's stupid. Wait for the game to come out. I have so many other games that I can play
Starting point is 01:20:26 but I am very curious to see what he actually does with the game and whether it, it'll probably end up being good, but whether it ends up being a really good game I do know that it's going to be a pure medieval game which is very nice to see
Starting point is 01:20:42 there have been especially in the Final Fantasy, a lot of games as of late, not even just as of late, like most of the series to be honest, that have been sort of these mix of medieval
Starting point is 01:20:57 and also technological. So, XIV is a great example of this. Most of the game is medieval and then you go to like do the alexander raids in heaven's ward for example and you're fighting mechs so it's like it's this mix of the two and i guess you've also got like all of the stuff with sid as well making airships but you can fit airships into a, like, a medieval context, but they're very, very clearly technological with magic power in this, um, in this game, but 16 is going to be
Starting point is 01:21:34 purely medieval, it is going to be medieval high fantasy magic, which I'm, I'm a fan of, like, it's, magic, which I'm, I'm a fan of, like, it's, it's, yeah, I'm, I'm very happy to see it, uh, what is this, the end of turn-based Final Fantasy was inevitable, but I'm still sad to see it go, what are you talking about, when was the last purely turn-based Final Fantasy? Um, okay, so, I, 13 was, was 13 purely turn-based? It was like a turn-based, but with a timer system. I feel like it had a timer, but I'm not, I can't recall, but okay, so, anyway, we have 16 pure action action 15 action with a tactical mode 14 mmo yeah it's not gonna be turn-based obviously and then 13 probably was the last time there was a um a turn-based game like what do you mean sad to see it go it's been gone for like, when did 13 even come out? Um, FF, I guess we'll go Lightning Returns, when did Lightning Returns come, uh, come out? Lightning Returns, um, Lightning Returns was
Starting point is 01:22:55 in 2013, Turn-Based has been dead for, like, Turn-Based Final Fantasy has been dead for, like, turn-based Final Fantasy has been dead for, like, nine years. What are you talking about? I love articles like this. Nine fucking years it's been dead. Just let it rest. There will probably be another turn-based Final Fantasy at some point. But
Starting point is 01:23:20 Yoshi P wants to bring more people into the series by making an action game. And right now, action games are where it's at. And action games make it easy to show off what you can do with, presumably, it's a UE5 game. I'm not certain, but presumably, it's UE5. Action games let you be, like, very, very, like, what's the word? Crazy in your action. Yeah, that makes sense. They let you do, like, like what's the word crazy in your action yeah that makes sense
Starting point is 01:23:46 correct they let you do like crazy action scenes things like that like kingdom hearts is a great example of this like you can make kingdom hearts a turn-based game but you know it wouldn't have that same level of impact that uh and and a full like real-time action game is gonna have i enjoy them but i enjoy them for like different reasons um it's always fun to go back and play like 10 for example like ff10 is very very very good game probably one of my favorite games of all time um what would be i want to say like my top three... What are my top three games? I reckon if I had to pick top three,
Starting point is 01:24:30 it would be in... I can't give them an order. I definitely can't give them an order, but it would be Dark Souls 1, FFX, and Kingdom Hearts 2. Yeah. I'm playing through 2 again now.
Starting point is 01:24:45 2 is a very scuffed game. But it's a very important part of growing up. It was like one of the first video games I played. I love the series. Yeah. Anyway. What else do we got to talk about? You know what?
Starting point is 01:25:01 Actually because we're talking about. We're talking about dystopia before. Let's talk about. You know what, actually, because we're talking about, um, we were talking about dystopia before, let's talk about, uh, DALI, or DOLI, however you say it. So, this is a deepfake system, um, DOLI 2 by OpenAI, DALI 2, I don't know how to say it. Basically, what this is, is a image generation system that, as they say here, can create realistic images and art from the description in a natural language. And here are some examples of what it can do. So, this is someone riding a horse in space and on the moon. Like, you can see the shadows are a little bit scuffy here.
Starting point is 01:25:50 Like, it's not, obviously not perfect. Here's someone I'm guessing... Is that on, like, Mars or something? Actually, that one there's a... That's actually really cool. I kind of like this one. That would be a pretty nice wallpaper, to be honest. Like, all of this is AI generation. It's not perfect.
Starting point is 01:26:11 But if you wanted, like... If you wanted a... An album cover. Like, an album cover. This would be a perfect... Why does the astronaut look like they're a fucking child? Uh, they look like...
Starting point is 01:26:30 They literally look like they're fucking two foot tall. Okay, this one's a bit scuffy. Um, for some reason, the suit is very furry, and they have no feet. Also, their hands are... Yeah. Um... Actually, you know what?
Starting point is 01:26:46 That, I think, is an album cover right there. That is certainly an album cover. Especially if you wanted to go and actually touch it up as well. Rather than just doing purely the AI generation, modify it. Here we go. Here's another one. This is one where they had an original
Starting point is 01:27:01 image, and then they went and edited it with Dolly. So in this case, they added a couple... Okay, so they added in this pink floaty in the corner here. And that one doesn't really fit. But some of these look really good. There's one where it's floating in the water. Yeah, that last
Starting point is 01:27:30 one doesn't look great. Like this one looks like it's pretty much a part of the shot. If you didn't know this was edited in, you probably wouldn't notice it. And here's this last one with flamingos outside. Okay, that one looks bad.
Starting point is 01:27:47 But like this one, that one's perfect. Also, it handles the reflection on the water. That's a crazy part of it. This one is adding a dog into that painting there. That one looks almost perfect. And it's actually replicating the art, like the art style of the painting. Okay, maybe that one's
Starting point is 01:28:10 not. That looks like someone went and graffitied it. Um, here we're adding a dog to this one. Once again with a different art style. And here is a dog here, like on the bench. Wait, is that handling some of the shadowing on that?
Starting point is 01:28:27 That's fucking crazy. Or like you can take these ones where it's. Taking this image. And then putting it into a different style. So breaking this down. And understanding what's actually happening in the image is already incredibly complex. This is the future of art. This is what I mean when I say that evidence is worthless 10 years from now.
Starting point is 01:29:02 And not only evidence is worthless. 10 years from now and not only evidence is worthless like this is created like right now it's obviously creating it from a this is going from an image but this is creating new pieces of art and it's not just like spitting out that what it can also do is create stuff from text input so this one here this was from text input. And you- oh, so if you click these different pieces of text here, it will modify the, I guess, the style it's in. So teddy bears- what is this? Oh, so if you click the- oh, it doesn't have all of them. Oh, I want to see teddy bears riding a horse. So, astronaut playing basketball with cats in space.
Starting point is 01:29:49 Okay, that one looks a little weird. But, like, this first one looks really cool. Like, this is entirely AI generated. This is insane. A bowl of soup
Starting point is 01:30:03 as a planet in the universe. Speaking of album covers. As a mixed media, as digital art. This is crazy. But this is the, like, their closed version that you don't generally get to access to the public unless you go and pay them a bunch of money um but there is a public version that is like a mini toned down version and this has been making the rounds for quite a while and so
Starting point is 01:30:47 this is Dolly Mini and this will let you generate stuff pretty quickly. So for example, one that I've shown before, I think I posted it on Twitter I didn't show it on the podcast but Shrek
Starting point is 01:31:04 as a Fumo. Here we go. And that'll usually take anywhere from like a minute to two minutes to generate. Hopefully right now, the site's not being visited too much and is like going to stop somewhere in the middle because the site does have some like api limitations things like that just to you know stop people from taking up too much of their bandwidth ah here we go that looks like it looks like it's not as good as the proprietary version. This is a very minimal version of it.
Starting point is 01:31:49 But that's Shrek as a Fumo. And some of these, if you were to touch it up a bit, would look entirely convincing. Now, you might say, hey, look, a Shrek Fumo could already exist. Well, Joe Biden riding a unicycle. Here we go. Let's see how it handles that one. I guess there's not many people on the site right now, so it's generating things a lot quicker. So I don't have to sit here for two minutes, somehow filling the air while waiting for this to go and generate things. But I still have to go and drag this out for as long as physically possible
Starting point is 01:32:33 to make it happen. And it's probably going to take like literally two minutes this time. So that's good. But this is crazy. Like this is genuinely insane what this can do. It's not perfect and it's Very scuffy and it does not handle face as well but this is something available to the public anybody right now can go and use this as much as they want and We're seeing a lot more of these projects that are getting these
Starting point is 01:33:02 They're getting these Smaller public version. There's like one for generating um... for generating AI text as well, and people have been using it to generate things like green text, like 4chan green text and stupid shit like that, and it looks really good. I saw one, I'll see if I can find it in a bit, about FF14. Here we go. Okay, look, it's a bit scuffed, but this is Joe Biden, President of the United States, riding a unicycle. I love doing stupid ones like this. I love doing stupid ones like this and it's actually
Starting point is 01:33:48 bending his legs to where it looks like he is riding a unicycle, like it didn't just put him on a unicycle and be like oh unicycle yes, it's very bad, and the more complex stuff gets, the like the
Starting point is 01:34:04 harder it gets to generate. But it's already crazy. I'll see if I can find that one that I mentioned about FFXIV. Here we go. Ah, yes. It was in this chat. Yes. Ah, here we go.
Starting point is 01:34:31 And someone posted on Twitter, good thank you. So this is using an AI green text generator to generate FF14 job adjustments. Now most of these, most of these you probably won't understand the context of without playing the game. But, like, a lot of these look remotely convincing as patch notes. So the monk's perfect balance trait will be removed. Fist of fire, fist of earth, and fist of wind will be removed from the monk's skill set. The monk's boot shine skill will be placed on a 15-second recast timer. Like, this is all reasonable stuff that you can... Some of these changes have actually happened in the past.
Starting point is 01:35:05 Some of them... Some of them haven't. Which was here? Is it the... Ah, here we go. Here's the one about white mage. The white mage one is very amusing. If we zoom out a little bit.
Starting point is 01:35:26 So, with, so basically you give it a prompt. In this case, I, Naoki Yoshida, director and producer of Final Fantasy XIV, have an important announcement about White Mage. With the recent patch, we've added a new job to Final Fantasy XIV, the White Mage.
Starting point is 01:35:41 However, we have received feedback from the community that the job is too complex and difficult to play. In response to. However, we have received feedback from the community that the job is too complex and difficult to play. In response to this feedback, we have made the following changes to the job. The job has been simplified and is now easier to play. The job has been rebalanced and is now more powerful.
Starting point is 01:35:56 The job has been renamed to red mage. We hope you enjoy the new and improved red mage. And then my favorite one is the summonmoner. We have decided to remove the role of Summoner from the game. It's so fucking good. I love it.
Starting point is 01:36:19 Someone had one here about Paladin. What is this? Oh my god. Wait, what is this? Wait. Same prompt, but this time about Paladin. I'm sorry. That's right. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 01:36:33 We are sorry. The Paladin job in his current set of Final Fantasy XIV and Realm Reborn is not fun. It is not engaging. It is not exciting. I'm sorry. We are sorry. We are sorry for not living up to your expectations, we are sorry for not delivering on our promise of a fun, engaging paladin job,
Starting point is 01:36:50 I'm sorry, we are sorry, uh, we know that many of you have been eagerly awaiting the release of Final Fantasy XIV A Realm Reborn, we know that many of you were excited for the opportunity to play a paladin in the game, we know that many of you have been disappointed with the current state of the job, I'm sorry. We're sorry We want to make things right We want to make Final Fantasy 14 a Realm Reborn the best game can be will make Paladin the best job it can be I'm sorry. We're sorry To that end we have decided to make the following changes to Paladin job The Paladin job will be removed from Final Fantasy 14 a Realm Reborn
Starting point is 01:37:21 All players who've invested time and effort into a Paladin job will be refunded in full this includes I don't think there were ever job points. Maybe there were job points. I don't think there were ever skill points in the game. All players who unlock the Paladin job will be granted a new job. The Warrior of Light free of charge. The Warrior of Light job will be a completely new job with a new story new abilities and new game mechanics The warrior of light job will be available at launch We understand this decision may come as a shock to some of you
Starting point is 01:37:56 We understand that this decision may be disappointing to some of you. We understand this decision may be frustrating to some of you What the fuck happened there? I have no idea why it's constantly apologizing. Oh my god. But hey, a warrior of light job would be great. And then you would have job gear that fucking looks like this. I hate the warrior of light gear. It is so ugly. I have no
Starting point is 01:38:27 idea why that was ever added to the game. Like surely you can, you can design your important character gear to look better than it did. No, no. I'm very happy we've moved past that we are very very far past the realm reborn and nobody is gonna wear that armor i don't think i've ever seen anyone wearing that even like unironically or ironically sorry i think if you pre-ordered a realm reborn or you bought the collector's edition which you can still go back and buy, you got it, that helmet, as like a way that would give you like bonus XP below level 30
Starting point is 01:39:11 or something like that, or level 50. I don't remember the exact deal, but you could get it for the pre-order bonus. I'm 99% sure. Don't quote me on that though. I could be completely wrong. What else do we got I've got so many topics on here that I've just
Starting point is 01:39:29 I'm not going to talk about at all because we're just going to completely run out of time I've spent so many time so much time talking about certain topics today that yeah it's just not going to happen
Starting point is 01:39:44 um but we can... Oh, actually, let's talk about something good that FedEx is doing, because that's something rare. That's something very rare, FedEx doing something good. FedEx will soon photograph your package to prove it was delivered. The service will be available in select markets before rolling out to the US and Canada. What are these select markets? The select markets are select markets. Okay, basically the idea here is when a driver delivers your package, they will take a picture of it to make sure it was delivered. This causes two things.
Starting point is 01:40:29 One, ensures the package gets delivered because you know they took the picture of it. Very good point. Second point, if it gets damaged and like they threw it or something stupid, They have to take a picture of that. So they could always like fiddle around with it to hide that damage. But it definitely should limit the amount of people that are being stupid with packages. And hopefully it also means like one thing I want to address. I'd like to address this. like, one thing it won't address,
Starting point is 01:41:04 I'd like to over-address this, but hopefully it would address packages being put places where they probably shouldn't. Like, I think I've mentioned this, but when I ordered my when I ordered my microphone, my this guy, the
Starting point is 01:41:20 Shure SM7B, the Shure SM7B, which is uh let's see how much it is. SureSM7B. The SureSM7B, which is uh... Let's see how much it is. SureSM7B. In Australian dollar-y dues, it is... Oh, it's come down.
Starting point is 01:41:41 It is cheaper now. It is 500 Australian dollars. Wait, maybe I paid less. It is cheaper now. It is $500 Australian dollars. Wait, maybe I paid less. What did I pay for it? Wait, I'm going to check. I want to know what I paid for it. Your orders. Let's see.
Starting point is 01:41:55 I feel like I paid more, but I could be wrong. It was not ordered in 2022 In 2021 When did I get the Shore? Wait, did I order in What did I buy the Shore? What the fuck? Wait, did I not get it on Amazon?
Starting point is 01:42:19 Wait, that could be it I thought I bought it on Amazon Huh Wait, no, I did buy it on Amazon huh wait no I did buy it on Amazon what what wait no I did it's just not showing me the order there
Starting point is 01:42:38 um I paid uh I paid like I paid... I paid like $80 more. Okay. Like not that much more. But it is certainly more.
Starting point is 01:42:51 I will have to make sure I claim that on my taxes this year. Yeah. Yeah, when I bought a $600 microphone, now it's $500, they left it on my fucking doorstep! Like, not under anything, not off to the side where someone isn't gonna see it. On my fucking doorstep! And they didn't send me a message to tell me it was there, so it sat there all day, and that's not the first time I've had shit like that happen. Like when I bought my, um...
Starting point is 01:43:24 and that's not the first time I've had shit like that happen. Like when I bought my, um, when I bought my monitor actually, which is very clearly a monitor, it is in a monitor box, just on my doorstep. I bought like other expensive shit on my doorstep. Stop putting shit on my fucking doorstep. Like, companies, if you're gonna send me stuff, make sure you put on the delivery note, send it to a post office if no one is there to collect it, because it's very expensive. Like, stop it. Just stop putting expensive stuff in places where people can steal it. I feel like my camera was like that as well.
Starting point is 01:43:58 Like, it's just on my doorstep. Stop doing that. I don't like it. But, you know, at least they're not throwing my camera around I'll give it that, at least they didn't throw my camera, um they could certainly do a better job but they could definitely do a much
Starting point is 01:44:13 worse job, um let's ooh so, this I brought up the other week been like, hey, Dragon's Dogma. There's a 10th anniversary announcement thingy. And, hey, wouldn't it be cool if there's a second game?
Starting point is 01:44:34 Well, there's a second game. So, Dragon's Dogma 2 finally announced. This was announced 12 days ago. Most of this is worthless. But right at the end here when they show off they show off like a i guess trailer for the original game they show some of the anime which does not look very good um they have dragon's dogma 10th anniversary yay whoa dragon's dogma with the new logo dragon dogma 2,
Starting point is 01:45:08 which is probably the only reason why they would ever actually talk about it. Like, it was, it's one of those things that was, it was a pretty open secret. So, there was one of two things that Capcom was going to do. One of those was NFTs. That was a possibility. That was a very high possibility because I want to say that Capcom has done NFTs already. Capcom NFTs.
Starting point is 01:45:49 Okay, wait. Is this Street Fighter? okay wait is this street fighter again wait someone made oh my fucking god you're a crazy person I felt like they did do NFTs maybe not this person is trying to get sued street fighter NFT Capcom NFT this person is trying to get sued Street Fighter NFT
Starting point is 01:46:07 Capcom NFT wait is this not related at all to Capcom has someone just made Street Fighter NFTs this is clearly like a, an art project. Are you? Okay, no. Okay, Street Fighter 6 does have NFTs. Okay, sure. Okay, okay, okay. There is Street Fighter 6 NFTs.
Starting point is 01:46:40 Okay, for a second, I thought that some like crazy person was trying to fucking ruin their life. It was either going to be NFTs or it was going to be a second game because this game has been dead for 10 years. There have been like re-releases, there was an anime and that's pretty much it. But I'm very excited now to see if it's at all going to exist firstly and Yeah That's that's sort of the major one at all going to exist and at all going to be good. But you know this also means Once again, it gives more credence to the Nvidia games leak Nvidia More credence to the Nvidia Games leak. Nvidia.
Starting point is 01:47:28 Nvidia Game. Well, GeForce. GeForce Now leak. GeForce Now game leak. Back when this happened in April of 2022. And the more time passes, the more accurate this leak becomes. I think we're basically at the point now where
Starting point is 01:47:52 this leak is entirely real. And some of the games on this list have already come out. Like, this, like, SMT5 was on that list, which obviously is very much out, um, but one of the games on here was Dragon's Dogma 2, which was really weird, like, why would Dragon's Dogma 2 be there? Monster Hunter 6 was never surprising.
Starting point is 01:48:24 Resident Evil 4 Remake. That's another one. Resident Evil 4 Remake recently got announced with the Games Expo that happened a few weeks back. So basically I am fully convinced this entire list
Starting point is 01:48:40 is real at this point. There's no reason to believe this list isn't at this point. Like, there's no reason to believe this list isn't, like, 100% real. Maybe, like, some things were... Some things have been exaggerated and some projects might get cancelled.
Starting point is 01:48:58 Um... But... Yeah. Yeah. Like, uh, Mirror's Edge RTX. So, apparently, um, the devs behind Mirror's Edge, what are their names, um, I forgot the company, the, the, the, my brain keeps trying to say Blizzard, but that's not right, it's definitely not right, so that's, uh, DICE, why did I say, why was my brain thinking Blizzard? I don't know, um, but DICE is focusing on Battlefield now, so it's very possible the project got cancelled, and that's what's probably
Starting point is 01:49:36 gonna happen with any of the games that don't show up, like, just because they are on this list doesn't necessarily mean they are going to exist. Because you can always, you know, not, yeah, at any point you can always do that. But, yeah. I, for one, am very
Starting point is 01:50:01 interested to see if Dragon's Logger 2 is good. I hope that Capcom doesn't ruin it, but it's Capcom, and they very well might. So, fill it with NFTs, fill it with microtransactions, just make it a terrible game.
Starting point is 01:50:18 Keep in mind that Dragon's Logger 1 came out 10 years ago, and 10 years ago, we were only in the early stages of DLC and microtransactions. Single player games back then didn't have microtransactions. They might have had some DLC, but that's about as far as it went. Nowadays, though, that's not as much of a given.
Starting point is 01:50:43 Yeah. Yeah. Definitely not as much of a given. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely not as much of a given. What have we got? Talk about that one. Talk about... Oh, you know what? Why is this not working?
Starting point is 01:51:03 I need to fix this. Why is this not working? I need to fix this. Actually, no. We'll not. We'll talk... Words. Actually, we'll talk about the Linux thing that happened. So, there's been a project to get Rust into the Linux kernel for quite a while now.
Starting point is 01:51:25 And I think for like a while now. And I think for like a year or so. But it's been a question of when it was going to happen. It's been a work in progress. When it first came out, it was just not ready.
Starting point is 01:51:40 It was literally broken. So Rust is a broken language. It had things where like if you ran out of memory uh it would just panic and say out of memory which is not what it should do and you should never have a system language that just crashes the system because you ran out of memory so that's a problem. Um. The. Things like that have been addressed. And. With the most recent version.
Starting point is 01:52:11 Of the. The patch set. Which is version. Seven. Uh. Pretty much the only things. That aren't ready with it. Are there's some like.
Starting point is 01:52:20 Documentation stuff. That needs to be addressed. Like. The documentation style. Is slightly off. And there are some extra words. That don't really need to be there. The documentation style is slightly off, and there are some extra words that don't really need to be there. There's a little couple of logic errors, which still need to be addressed.
Starting point is 01:52:35 But it's in a much better state. And because of that, it's probably going to make its way into kernel 5.20. So over at the Open Source Summit 2022 in Austin, Texas, Linus Torvalds was... Linus Torvald? Why did you take the S of his name? Linus Torvalds was talking to Dirk Hondel,
Starting point is 01:52:59 who is working at Cardano now, and basically talking about this project and talking about the future of the kernel. And Linus said it's not going to happen straight away, but probably going to make its way into 5.20. Because straight away would be 5.19. And 5.19 is probably like three or four weeks away. 5.20, on the other hand, is closer to October, November.
Starting point is 01:53:32 And that gives you a lot more time to actually make sure it's ready to be there. It doesn't mean that it's going to be in the kernel forever. there. It doesn't mean that it's going to be in the kernel forever. Like, 25 years ago back when C++ was being tested, I think it survived in the kernel for like two weeks.
Starting point is 01:53:54 And then Linus was like, I don't like C++, and removed it. And then we never heard from C++ again. That could very well happen with Rust. But Linus is entirely willing to try this out to see if it's going to be good. If it is, then going forward,
Starting point is 01:54:14 we're going to see Rust being not necessarily a major language in the kernel. It's going to take a lot of time for it to build up with drivers and stuff being written in Rust and different subsystems being written in Rust, but we're going to see Rust over time become a major language in the kernel. It's not like C is the only language in the kernel project anyway, but like for main development, so Perl and like your make files.
Starting point is 01:54:45 Those are already being used in the kernel. But that's part of the build system. Not the core functionality. Those things can be changed out with anything else. But bringing Rust into the core functionality. Actually interacting with hardware directly. It's going to be. Or I guess with drivers interact with hardware.
Starting point is 01:55:04 We could write the drivers in Rust as well. It's going to be very or I guess with drivers interact with hardware, but you could write the drivers in Rust as well. It's going to be very, very interesting to see what happens. The only concern that I really have with it is, I know Rust has issues on older hardware. I'm not certain on the full details, but my understanding is that you can't really compile Rust on a lot of older systems prior to, I think, I want to say prior to like one of the later Pentiums, which is really old
Starting point is 01:55:33 at this point, but one of the nice things about Linux is you can go and put it back on older hardware. In those cases, you could always just go and run one of the older kernels and sort of be done with that. I'm not a Rust guy, but I'm still very interested to see how it actually goes down. This article is good as is, but could be better if someone with a good understanding of Rust and his runtime were consulted. Rust is a great language that has built-in guards against creating memory leaks and other issues that could lead to an exploitable vulnerability,
Starting point is 01:56:11 but the necessary runtime makes it unsuitable for such development. What? Wait. Wait, what? Wait, what? Rust is a great language that has built-in guards against creating memory leaks and other issues that could lead to an exploitable vulnerability, but the necessary runtime makes it unsuitable for such development. What? I don't know what that...
Starting point is 01:56:40 Wait, so you're saying it's made like this, but it's not made like this. I'm very confused. But that this article would be better if someone... Sorry, I believe this article would be better if someone more familiar with Rust could have commented on how kernel development could be done in Rust or keeping the performance of C slash C++. Oh, you're saying the runtime that deals with those problems
Starting point is 01:57:04 makes it unsuitable for kernel development. It's literally a systems language. Like I said, I'm not a Rust guy. I'm sure this guy is pointing out something that makes sense. But even if... What's going to happen is things are going to be tested and if Rust is not a good language, then Rust will be gone. And if Rust is a good language, then Rust will stay. That's pretty much the long and short of it. There's no way you can really test it in the
Starting point is 01:57:40 kernel without actually building it for the kernel and just really seeing how it's gonna go down. I hope it does go better than it went for um better than it went for the C++ stuff and we don't end up seeing Linus basically
Starting point is 01:57:59 saying that Rust is a terrible language and nobody should ever use it, but you know, only when we find out. And if that happens, well, it is what it is. We can move on to the next language and just see what
Starting point is 01:58:16 really happens. What am I going to end the podcast on? I could talk about, oh, I'll just mention offhand, Netflix is going to have an podcast on? I could talk about... I'll just mention offhand, Netflix is going to have an ad-supported mode, so if you care about getting Netflix cheaper, you can get that.
Starting point is 01:58:35 I just don't care about having Netflix, so I don't care, really. Actually, just briefly, I'll talk about this Hololive fan game that was made. So, I'm a big fan of Vampire Survivors. It is a very, very good game. I highly recommend you play Vampire Survivors. And this dev, uh, I can't find the website.
Starting point is 01:59:04 Wait, it's on itch.io. Yeah, it's on itch.io yeah, it's on itch.io this fan of Hololive basically made Vampire Survivors but themed around Hololive and it looks really, really
Starting point is 01:59:20 good, like I've got it downloaded right now I've played a little bit of it the art is amazing, the music is amazing, all of it is just references to Hololive, so if you, if you don't know anything about Hololive, you probably have no idea what's going on, but even so, it's just a vampire survivor style game, so you're still probably going to enjoy it anyway. I'm gonna bring up a video of it. Just... Here? Yeah, this will work. Also, the funniest thing about it is it's actually more mechanically complex than than Vampire Survivors is. Obviously, I'll skip ahead to find some of that. But it's still got the same sort of stuff where you have like the
Starting point is 02:00:05 the hordes of enemies, for example. Like, these guys. Alright, here we... There's also the groups that will run at you every so often. But, you know, you can clearly see the Vampire Survivor's inspiration here. Like, the chest is literally the same thing. A lot of the items are basically Vampire's Fiber items as well.
Starting point is 02:00:26 A lot of like... There are things that are not, but this is the Bible. This aura around Kali here is garlic. You can see it's in some ways very similar. But you've also got this like special meter as well. So you can like... Even just that, it makes it more mechanically complex than, um, Vampire's Fire. There you go, you can see groups running at you. Even just that by itself.
Starting point is 02:00:51 But there are some enemies here... I can't find... Uh... is there gonna be a bit where I can see a boss? Like when you fight the bosses, the bosses actually require you to do things. Ah, here we go. Here's, uh, small army. I think she has mechanics? Yeah, here we go. So she'll jump in the air, and you have to, like, move out of the circle.
Starting point is 02:01:16 Which is already just, like, whoa! I have to, like, play the game. Because in Vampire's Fives, it honestly gets to a point where you can literally just stand there and just not play the game at all. But you'll see other times where there'll be, like, hordes of enemies, but they'll be in these, like, lines, but spaced apart.
Starting point is 02:01:37 So they'll come down, and you'll have another group that might be coming up, so you have to, like, move in between, and then one coming from the side, and basically, you actually have to play the game. I'm probably going to play this on stream after I finish Hollow Knight off. So we're going to go from Hollow Knight to Hollow Cure. And then next week in the Hollow Knight spot,
Starting point is 02:02:00 I'm going to be playing Metal Gear Rising Revengeance because Ransom's asked me to play it for a long time, and I want to play it as well, so I'm going to play it. But, I'm definitely going to stream at least a little bit of Holocure, just to
Starting point is 02:02:18 just to see what it's really like. I've only played enough to make sure it actually functions on Linux. And I've seen a little bit of gameplay, but I am very happy with it. Honestly, just the music by itself is a reason enough to go and play it, to be entirely honest. But, um, oh, they're also cons- Oh, so you get consumables before you max out everything. Oh. Wow, that's something different from Vampire's Fives as well. Also, your stats are far more clearly laid out, which is also nice.
Starting point is 02:02:54 How is it that this game that was thrown together as a fan game is so much... Maybe it's not thrown together, but like, this fan game where they're not making any money seems to be so much better of a game than Vampires Vibes with the dev being fucking rich at this
Starting point is 02:03:14 point. I'm not saying Vampires Vibes dev is a bad guy. Like this guy threw together a game in like a web engine, never expected to become popular, and now is just sort of updating the game and riding the hype effectively. But
Starting point is 02:03:30 it's crazy what, like, fans of a genre or fans of an organization will do if they want to go and make something cool. And you know what? I think that's as good a time as any to end off the show. I didn't talk
Starting point is 02:03:46 about all of the topics I have on here, but I guess we can... You know, we can talk about this as a retrospective. I was going to talk about the Bored Ape situation where there was a... You know, I'll just briefly mention that. Oi, no, don't play the music.
Starting point is 02:04:06 Bored Ape. Not BoredApeStolen Uh Can I find Can I Find the video I know it's hard to find If you search for it like that Does XQC link it?
Starting point is 02:04:25 No, maybe not. If we just look for Philly and I think I'd find it. Here we go. So this guy made an hour long expose. Basically linking together Bored Apes and effectively trying to make the argument that it's
Starting point is 02:04:51 either the people running the project are like white supremacists or this is a giant 4chan troll that might sound ridiculous I recommend you
Starting point is 02:05:06 watch the full hour-long video. Come to your own conclusion. The guy does have connections to another project that is like a Bored Apes competitor. So maybe it's just a hit piece to make that project do better.
Starting point is 02:05:22 I'm not sure. All I'll say is I recommend you watch this. And even if it's entirely fake, here's the thing. Even if it's entirely fake, if this brings down NFTs, I'm fine with it.
Starting point is 02:05:38 Like, I'm fine with a hit piece that's entirely made up being the demise of NFTs. I would... I don't even know if I want to say I would like it to be true. I would like this guy to be telling the truth. I don't want it to be true, if that makes sense. Yuga Labs, the creators of Bored Apes, they filed a lawsuit because of this video.
Starting point is 02:05:59 They didn't file a lawsuit because of the video. They filed a lawsuit. If you look at this topic, you'll hear a lot about a lawsuit that's happening. And a lot of people are saying it's because of the video. They filed a lawsuit. If you look at this topic, you'll hear a lot about a lawsuit that's happening. And a lot of people are saying it's because of this video. The lawsuit is because of the article this video was based on by a separate guy called Writer Rips. This guy did his own research linked to that article.
Starting point is 02:06:22 He is connected to Writer Rips. That's the guy who owns the competitive project. That's why it's also weird. Like the guy who's sort of the main source behind all of this and like the main write-up about this also runs a project that competes with Bored Apes. So it's really weird. That doesn't necessarily mean it's a lie,
Starting point is 02:06:48 but it does lead some credence to the people that are saying it's a lie. But if it makes people think that NFTs are potentially really unstable to get involved in, I'm fine with it, to be honest. Anyway, I'm going to end off now. So if you like the podcast, I'm going with it, to be honest, uh, anyway, I'm going to end off now, uh, so if you like the podcast, I'm gonna go and like it, if you really like it, go check out my Patreon, uh, I think it's, like, down below, it should be, if it's not, I'll go and update it at some point, I've got a gaming channel that is Brody Robinson Plays, as I mentioned, I'm, by the time this comes out, I'll be
Starting point is 02:07:22 playing Metal Gear Rising Vengeance or getting close to finishing it. I'm not sure how long the game actually is. I know it's not that long though, so we'll see. I'll be playing more Kingdom Hearts 2, but I'm getting close to finishing that as well. I don't know what I'm going to play after that. I'll have to decide. Maybe I'll just... Maybe we can just put like a long JRPG in that, in that
Starting point is 02:07:46 section, like, uh, Memories of Celceta or something like that, or, like, IS 1 and 2. I don't know. I want to play more of the IS games. Maybe I'll play Memories of Celceta, just for the memes. Uh, it's probably a good game, but it's also going to be very long. Um, and main channel, Brody Robinson. It's also going to be very long. And main channel, Brody Robertson. I do Linux videos. I do Linux videos and tech videos.
Starting point is 02:08:10 Yeah. And I think that'll be it for me. So I'm out. I've probably got a guest lined up for next week. I'm not going to say who, just in case things fall through. I need to get in contact with Nick again, just to see if he's got everything dealt with,
Starting point is 02:08:33 he had to get dealt with. And when that happens, yeah, I'll bring Nick onto the show as well. Nick, the Linux experiment. And yeah, I've got some more people I want to contact as well. They're probably going to be fun episodes. So, until that happens, I'm going to go. I've got some videos to
Starting point is 02:08:52 edit, some things to upload, things like that. And, that's going to be it. So, I'm out.

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