Tech Over Tea - Will Anyone Watch This - Tech Over Tea #13 - feat Samuel

Episode Date: May 27, 2020

Is it even fair to call this episode a tech podcast, for the vast majority of it Samuel and I talked about working in retail and anime, but that's what you get with Tech Over Tea, sometimes it's a tech show other times it's not even remotely close to it but I hope you'll still enjoy the show. ==========Purchase My Gear========== ► Buy Anything: https://amzn.to/3d5gykF ► Blue Yeti USB Microphone: https://amzn.to/2X4pQHR ► Logitech C920 Pro Webcam: https://amzn.to/2THlJzE ► Neewer 176 LED Video Light: https://amzn.to/3eqp7a2 ==========Support The Channel========== ► Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/brodierobertson ► Paypal: https://www.paypal.me/BrodieRobertsonVideo ► BTC Wallet Address: 1Aokiv3pFQXUEmh2LbzZQAwxMvq6bpT2UN ► ETH Wallet Address: 0x80451867c86bdf08c3888d407c1e3fcb6add61ed ► LBC Wallet Address: bLRN9fm17sCexKfgbYqmMj5xskZF2ogpEh ==========Video Release========== 📚 LBRY: https://open.lbry.com/@TechOverTea:3 🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBq5p-xOla8xhnrbhu8AIAg DISCLOSURE: Wherever possible I use referral links, which means if you click one of the links in this video or description and make a purchase we may receive a small commission or other compensation. I am a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and related sites.

we're having a discussion and then i forgot to start recording it's fine nothing of nothing of note happened it was just i don't know what you mean it's just talking about sound flaws and other interesting content like that yeah interesting content like sound flaws and nothing about sponsors well they don't exist the sponsors will come eventually yeah all right so your podcast has started now, huh? It has started now, yes. Welcome to the show, Sam. Oh, good.

Oh, it's good to be here. Not a lot that I'm meant to say, I guess, if we're talking about uni and everything. You're an artist, a voice actor of some description. Amateur of both. And programming student, yeah. And a retail worker. And a retail worker. A very glorious person to have on a retail worker and a retail a very glorious person to have on a podcast i mean that's a greeter that's the important yeah a couple things we have in common we work in retail and we're programming students except i uh i do the

easier job i don't have to talk to people yeah well i do and i have to talk to a lot of people yeah how's the greeting you want to talk about retail? Hey, we can start on retail. When Kenley was on, we talked about economics for the first 20 minutes. Okay, well, I'm afraid I can't really satisfy that topic. So retail, it's going to have to be. All right, well, let's, if we're going to talk retail, I think the best thing to talk about retail is retarded customers.

Actually, wait one sec. Before you do that, I just realized I didn't actually check if the audio sounded fine with the original sound checks. Let's just do that on camera. Oh, good. Say words. Okay, looks fine. Yeah, okay, cool. I should have done that before we started recording, but whatever. Anyway, yes.

Retail. Okay. but whatever anyway yes retail okay so yeah i think the best thing to talk about in retail that people would find interesting is the kind of people you encounter and i'm sure you've probably encountered your fair share of strange interesting people especially if i recall you work late night shifts and that's where they really you know they really come out of the woodwork yeah not in my opinion in a poor area is fun i enjoy it all right let's start with the easy one i'm assuming you probably encountered like theft attempts and things like that uh yeah usually they've already succeeded in the theft like they'll steal a dare or something and start drinking it

like in front of you just like yeah can't stop me now motherfucker that sort of thing i've had a couple of that and uh a couple of people just i don't think i've seen anyone blatantly trying to steal anything besides just a drink if it's something like something like that where they can just consume it in the store but as for stealing like i don't know batteries or a steak no i've seen that okay well yeah cause i guess it's also being primarily a grocery store wait was i should i not say that well i have a linkedin they can find it okay cool yeah well a grocery store probably wouldn't have the same sort of thefts as and i'll happily say i work at kmart sorry kmart um thefts i mean you I mean, that's obviously going to be super common, especially if you're the person standing at the door

who's checking bags and everything, blah, blah, blah. They're not always too interesting. We have these people called the double docketers who are trying their hardest to replicate receipts and things like that. Oh. They're not IT savvy, you can say that much. They figured out receipt paper. And, you know, I give admiration to that.

And they figure out the general format. But you can look at a receipt. And if you spent, you know, five years staring at Kmart receipts, you'll immediately notice when something's even slightly off. And you're just like, ah, God, here we fucking go. And you're just like, all you have to do is stand there for like 10 seconds longer than they want you to. And they'll just give up. They'll try to like walk out with a trolley and not try to take the receipt or anything like that, and you just have to call security.

But security is... Security is a hit and miss. We had an old security guard who would just stand at the door and did nothing else. But recently we've got a couple of new guys who they actually will walk up and down the store and, like, try to see if people are doing shit. Yeah, unfortunately, you know, security isn't going to be decided by the company you hire from it's going to be just pretty much luck of the draw on the person you draw you know there's always going

to be new security guards and older ones and typically the older ones are going to be the ones who are better um it depends typically there is yeah yes i was going to clarify a little bit further on that and that you that we have Westfield Security and some of them, awesome people. They're really, really great security guards and they'll do a great job. Other ones, and it is some of the older ones, will just sort of watch you as you call security

and you know someone's going to steal. And because you can't, as a greeter, you're not allowed to do anything to stop them or anything like that, so you have to let them go if they try to go. Then the security guard just goes up to you and is like, why didn't you stop them? That's your fucking job, man.

Well, you could do what, I think it was my store support did. He actually tackled someone once. Yeah, no, I get fired for that. Oh, yeah, you think? I was joked about it. But hey, if you're the store support, it doesn't matter. You can do what you want. I guess so.

Like, I mean, there's nothing I'd like to do more than just tackle someone or, you know, throw them onto the ground or something like that if I can get away with it. But I do like having a job. Yeah, it does help you pay the bills, doesn't it? Yeah. I mean, you know, we're Australian. We get Centrelink if we're studying and all that. Hey, well, right now, you could just not work and you're getting paid more. Really?

Yeah. Do you not know how much JobKeeper is? No, no. Not familiar, at least. Go on, enlighten me. Considerably more than you're making. I think it's somewhere in the realm of $400, $500 a week. Right.

I'm pretty sure even students are getting that, though. Yeah. Because I'm getting that. Yeah, well, you can be a student as well to get it, but you don't have to work. If you just chose not to, you'd be fine. Okay, well. I do want to finish my degree.

Sorry. Yeah, no. Oh, that's a good idea finish the degree that's dude it's great because if we if we do badly on a subject we can just apply for a non-graded pass before we get our grades data web mining is what i'm doing that for yeah man that is such a shit fest i don't know what i'm gonna get for the second assignment but it's not gonna be good uh you you uh had trouble with it no no i didn't i didn't have trouble the first either but i got a p1 on the first one was so

easy that was a piss dig yeah i got a p1 though really yeah i got an hd maybe it's because i'm always grilling him it's a hate it's just a hate act honestly if he gives me a P1 in the second one as well, I'm just going to take a non-graded pass. I don't care. Yeah. Oh, man. That week was such a shit fest with everything due on the same weekend. I put in way more time on the ICT stuff, the design document draft and status report.

That was an easy one, the status report. Not too long. It took like a day. Put way too much time in that draft and then i had the weekend to do the uh data web mining shit because i'm not a very good uh work everything i'd like to do one thing at a time take it all out one thing at a time yeah fortunately luck of the draw uh you know design draft was not the thing i should have done first or second because then it was extended by a week and then I had everything else that was still due on the weekend and I was so fucking mad

yeah I had gotten stuff done I think by the Tuesday for the ICT project and then he gave us the week extra and I was like I'm not gonna redo my status report just because you gave us a longer week for it just I got an HD on on the first one got an hd on the second one yeah i got an hd on the third one i mean like that that third status report i made that was a work of art i must say because it actually had words you know we're at the first two ones we hadn't even been allowed to start our project because we're working with the government and can't really say much more than that i don't know if cory ever did uh i don't know i don't think he said anything he didn't say anything yeah about i don't know go back and listen to the podcast i guess there'll

be a link to that in the description what do you mean i watch every podcast brady i know i'm talking about people who are who are listening if you if you want to go find out if cory said anything that probably breaks an nda go find out. Yeah, good. Yeah, we're doing our ICT research project for the year with a government police sort of thing. And I've just lost my train of thought as to why this was relevant. Ah, right. Yeah, because of all that and all the, you know, police clearance and everything like that. The first two status reports, we had nothing to write, pretty much.

We were just like, you know, they're just like, you know, name some risks. It's like getting to do this project was a risk because like they weren't even decided yet. With mine, for the, what was it called? The one we had to explain what the project was. Yeah.

Whatever that presentation was called. Intelligent Requirements presentation, that one. Yeah. In that one, I got grilled because we didn't say what the data was. We didn't have the data at that point. Yeah, there was some interesting semantic problems with those presentations. If you didn't say a thing the way they wanted you to say it, they'd call you out on it.

No doubt. It's frustrating because Corey had a lot more info that they wanted when he presented he presented before me when we did that requirements presentation and so i was just sitting there in the chair listening to him talk i was like i'm fucked in the end it didn't go as badly as i thought um i think because they kind of understood i was i was kind of deliberately trying to avoid repeating what cory had already said because we didn't communicate on what our presentations were we just went off and did them on our own um so i guess they understood that much and so long as i had an understanding of what we

were doing and everything like that because i was a delayed uh joiner of that project because i was trying to get into a different one um yeah i i corey and i worked pretty well together and we got all of our together pretty quick so it was easy enough to do that presentation even though I just started a week ago or something like that yeah it is good when the projects are actually working Kenley's one isn't even an ICT project I don't know if you've talked to him

I've heard things it's a research paper so he has to somehow map a research paper onto a ICT project thing yeah and he didn't even get any information he got even less than cory and i did with being you know blocked by police clearance his bloody was a supervisor or whatever went on leave for a month and a half or something uh yeah his supervisor is um and i'm pretty sure this is like he's sure he was the uni one or the

Bruce might be Bruce I don't know could know Andrew is my supervisor Bruce is my client

and I think it's the other way around for his oh god wait so he's doing his research for uni I haven't really gotten like too many details on how how his stuff works well my client is Wait, so he's doing his research for uni?

I haven't really gotten too many details on how his stuff works. Well, my client is Bruce, but really my client is the CSIRO. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. But my client is a mess right now because Andrew is doing some teaching in China. Like, obviously not in China. He's doing some online teaching. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He just hasn't been able to show up to the meetings. So the meetings have been useless because Bruce doesn't really know what's going on with the project. So he's just like, oh, what are you guys doing? Well, okay, that's cool. Go back to keep doing what you're doing. Yeah, it's like with our meetings, we have, I guess, an IT supervisor. He's not really a supervisor like on the other work side of things but we more or less treat him like a supervisor because that's

pretty much what he does he makes sure that we're on track and everything that he just doesn't want to be called that title for some reason but then we have like our actual name supervisor emma and she's not an i.t person so she comes to these meetings and if uh if travis doesn't make an effort to explain to her what we're doing or if we don't, she'll just kind of sit there and be like, ah, yes. You know, smile and wave, boys. That sort of thing. I'm guessing that's the sort of...

Sorry? With Bruce? No, Bruce teaches VR. So at least he understands, like, the techie stuff. So I was going to say that's what it's like with the meetings with the CSIRO because the project manager doesn't even know what project she's in because she's running like seven different projects. So she's not even sure what the meeting she's in is actually for.

Yeah. Oh God. So why are we all, I feel like Corey and I've had a massive stroke of luck then, you know, with what we've been doing, because it's been pretty swimming after all the dramas with police clearance and stuff. We haven't had a single issue.

Oh, yeah, fine. You know, I've never had to do a police check and I have no idea how it works. So I was like, what if they find something I didn't even know I had? Or some shit like that. You did a couple of years ago. Camera footage that got like the whole thing. I was like, oh, shit, they got me.

No, of course it was fine yeah yeah and then it was such a weird experience to be honest because you know you think like police government sort of stuff if you're going to be working with them you're expecting a super serious environment or at least that's why it was in my head canon i guess and i came in in there and and i was i guess you know maybe because i've never done something like that before i was trying to make a good impression i was all serious and stuff and then we walk into their main IT office, which we're just like two rooms down from mmm and One of the other like main IT developers and stuff has a cardboard cutout Iron Man with a curly mustache painted onto it above his like computer monitor and

Our supervisor has a bloody gaming keyboard hooked up to a Dell and all this sort of shit. I know he's got a little fidget cube stuck onto it as well, which made me upset. Um, and just seeing all that, I was like, Oh no, I've made the wrong impression.

Well, a lot of the places are actually like very, very serious. Like I've got some mates who work in, um, DXC and there's certain departments in dxc where they're like super serious always yeah and then there's other departments where they're trying to i guess bring in some of the newer developers because a lot of their teams are getting really old

and they want to like i guess liven up the environment so they're bringing in a lot of these uh grads and it's starting to bring a different atmosphere into the office. Yeah. Which I can see why they'd want to do, because it's not like government work pays too well. So you want to do something to try to bring these people into it. And then you've always got the problem of whenever the government changes, a government job just goes up in the air. I should clarify.

I mean, yeah, I get what you mean as well and and it is obviously still a serious environment because you can't be careless working in government things like that and obviously you're monitored but it's like you know the people are a lot more human i guess than i expected and i don't mean that in the you know in a rude way it's just obviously they remind us that when you get higher up that chain of government employees and stuff like that then obviously it does get a bit more mechanical and things like that. And people would probably re-at you if you laughed during a meeting or something like that. But, you know, the people at that sort of level that we're working with is just like the IT, I guess, consultants, supervisors, and people running projects and things like that,

small-time project managers. They're all just lovely, awesome people, and it's great to work with them. Well, I've talked about this with working in a supermarket and back when i was working at um in fast food as well retail doesn't compare the thing is you've got the reason why your manager is generally fairly more chill than like the store manager is because there's a couple of degrees of separation between your boss and the money that's coming into the store. So if your boss does their job well enough, they don't really need care. Like the store isn't making 5% extra than it did the previous month or anything

like that. And the same is true with all sorts of situations. The people you're directly working with, they aren't the ones who are managing the books and making sure the company stays afloat. Yeah. Which, yeah, that's, that's true and i mean yeah it's kind of you gotta understand with like retail and stuff like that as well you know your managers almost all the time they seem a little bit like a dick sometimes and things like

that but mine have actually been pretty good for the most part ah yeah and same for me it depends on which managers as well yeah and and different people coming in we've had like three different store managers in the past year because uh the good one retired and we hated the the ones that kept coming in but you know i try to keep in mind that those kinds of people are probably also under a ton of stress as well and they probably have to keep up a lot of appearances and things so they can't be as themselves all the time even when they're in their own store and things like that i think that some of those people are like are just being themselves that's the thing like if you want to be a store manager you have to be a certain weird kind of person who likes to be above everyone else true i mean we've got like a new finally like settled on a new store

manager now this guy travis and he's great because like he i think what's good about him is that he's still you know that kind of store manager person that personality someone who could really bring out authority and stuff like that but at the same time he like actually made an active effort to remember everyone's names which i can't even remember everyone's names i've been here for five years um yeah and then he went around and introduced himself and everything and i still like you know he'll actually have like a small chat as you come on other store managers would be like shut up and do your job cunt yeah i don't know i don't know anyone outside of my department

outside of the managers actually no i think it's like one maybe one or two people outside of my department or even bother remember their names yeah well i guess it's kind of different because i'm you know door greeter slash checkout operator so i kind of have to be in the middle or front of the store so i see everyone coming in coming out or i see everyone coming through the checkout so it's it's hard to avoid meeting all sorts of people from my workplace don't necessarily want to the problem is i because i used to be a manager and because i used to be a storeman Anyone who's been around for at least a year. Yeah. I used to manage coals. That was fun.

I forgot that. Yeah. I was real depressed during that time because I was finishing at midnight some days and starting work at 5 a.m. other days. Really? Yeah. Don't do those two jobs at the same time.

So everyone who's been around for at least a year knows my name and I don't know their names. I'm like, who the hell are you? You know me. Yeah. Well, that's the kind of thing. If you've been like a manager, probably people, not necessarily bad or good will like mention you in some way or another to at least say that you probably know your stuff as well.

If you're a manager, people just know your name when you work. Cause if they need to call like grocery help or something, then they'll have to call the manager. Or if there's a phone call, they'll have to call the manager or if there's a phone call they'll have to call the grocery manager things like that yeah i mean it's weird because it's like you coming from someone who hasn't worked in a managerial position and would not want to you don't um yeah i i know all the managers and i know them well enough to know what they're like and everything like that and And then I still swear that half of them, you know, I'll like say their name. Yes, you person.

You know, like even if they're like an area that works with me often enough. How many people do you actually have working in your store? Because mine's, you wouldn't, you'd be surprised how few people are actually working at my store. Like a total, I don't know. I just, I know when the new store manager started he said something about 400 people he has to still like introduce himself to and that's probably because casual employees i don't know like this could be all sorts of different kinds of people that keep in mind you know you could have the people working different

departments sure people you know managers probably stuff people outside of our local store i don't know what he was specifically talking about but he did specify some 400 people he was introducing himself to because my family barely think we have 100 people who you'd have to introduce yourself to and that's that's a small for a coals no it's it's on like main north road really like the main coals in that area okay yeah because i mean coals is it's a weird one i don't know how we managed to run it with this few people yeah okay because the kmr i work at uh i wouldn't consider it huge actually with some of the ones i've seen it's pretty decently sized but you know you can't even though we cycle out employees because you know casual employment and everything

like that we cycle employees but i still like can't imagine 400 people cycling in and out of different departments working there it's it's hard to imagine but then at the same time you know even with five years of working there i'll be working a shift someone will come in they'll be like hey who the hell are you yeah i know the feeling like who the hell are you i've been working with you for three years i've gotten better at it but there's still a lot of people i'm just like I don't know who you are yeah it's just the most awkward thing when they say that they've been working with me for you know x amount of years

and you know that sounds like as if you've had conversations with them before but I'm just like you do not exist I don't believe it you just weren't a person until now at least that's how my brain works on that shit I don't You just weren't a person until now. At least that's how my brain works on that shit. I don't, yeah, I hate that awkward scenario.

Because then they'll be like, remember we did this thing? It's like, absolutely not. I don't remember that at all. But I'll take your word for it. I tend to be better remembering things I've done with people than remembering their faces or their names. A face is easier for me to remember than a name, I find. Because I also, because both the Night Film managers, they know me well enough now, whenever someone new comes into the store,

I'm usually the one who ends up training them, which I don't want to do, but there's a lot of people in my store that I'm not allowed to train people. Kmart's kind of shit in their training. They give you a baseline training, but it doesn't teach you enough to know what you're supposed to do. And the managers get some. Yeah, we do our online training thing,

and then the rest of it you just kind of learn as you go. You have to learn the hard way, yeah. But some managers expect you to suddenly know everything after you've done your online training, and I got that when I started off. And so kind of just it became a thing when i had like you know swapping off of uh door greeting or they're supposed to call it customer greeting i get told off if i call it door greeting because they said you're not saying hello to the door it's like i don't give a fuck i pretty much am i'm not looking at anyone i'm just saying hello as like

a mob of people come in it's it's pretty lifeless i tend to say hello to the door greeter i'm just like hey no one probably acknowledges your existence yeah yeah it's a good thing to do because they're also bored as shit so if you can make a greeter laugh then that probably makes their day because it's pretty dull um yeah like if i'm swapping with someone and they're new to door greeting i just like immediately switch into things like I'll see them I'll be like have you done door before? And they're like no And then I just suddenly is like here's everything you need to know before a manager fucking eats your heart out What do you need to know as a door greeter? What does that job entail?

It's kind of confusing because I don't know how much I... When I see these people I'm just like are you doing anything? Yeah, I know it doesn't look like we're doing anything. And to be honest, a lot of the time it doesn't feel like we're doing anything. But then suddenly a manager comes by and suddenly it's like, ah, am I doing all these things that I'm not, you know, that all these things that I have to be doing that somehow it doesn't feel like anything when you're doing it. You know, we're supposed to be checking bags and everything on the way. It's such a complicated bullshit set of rules. That's what I'll say, basically.

And I'm not sure how much... I don't know. Kmart's not going to fucking find out about this, so how would I care? Okay, here's an example. Well, most of it is Kmart-specific anyway. Yeah. Big W's can do the same thing,

and Target can do the same thing. Yeah. I am supposed to check bags, of course, right? People coming on the way out. But if I find an issue with something in their bag, I'm supposed to check bags of course right people coming on the way out but if you know I find an issue with something in their bag I'm supposed to you know ask them about it be upfront about it and be like oh I just get a manager it's like for one thing that's not gonna fucking work if they're stealing they're not gonna just wait for a manager to show up they're gonna run off

then I have to tell people to call security half the time I tell people to call security I don't have the ability myself for some reason it'd be be easier that way. Half the time I do that. And if people either don't hear me properly because I push talks really shit, or if, you know, they were busy or something, they just don't bother to tell me that they didn't catch what I said or

that they had to wait a moment. It's like, so I'll just, you know, five minutes later, I'll ask, like, did anyone call security?

And she's like, no. It's like, so what's the point? What's the point of having a greeter here? If someone's stealing and you know it, they don't do anything about it. We have security at the door as well,

so they can actually do something about it. Yeah, it's good when there's like, you know, Christmas, they'll have a security guard because he'll actually do something. Yeah. Depending on the security guard. Well, my store, we always have a security guard. Yeah, that would be nice. But yeah, adding on to that, I've explained this whole concept of, you know,

checking bags and what happens when you have an issue, blah, blah, blah. You can clarify in different ways. But then managers expect you to check bags, but then you have a manager like the new store manager who says, by the way, Sam, did you know that we don't want you to check bags or check receipts?

And it's like, excuse me? I was like, yeah, we don't want you to check receipts because it's going to be holding up customers and we want to show the best customer experience i was like so what the fuck am i doing am i checking or am i not and he's like no don't worry man you're doing a great job it's like i'm doing a great job of fuck all nothing you know i say hello i say goodbye i pretend to look at a bag and they're like oh do you even do anything and i don't even know anymore you surprisingly have one of those weird jobs where it could be automated in a second but it won't be because they actually want some human interaction there they'll get rid of the like the cashiers instantly they'll get rid of night fillers as soon as they can but a

greeter i think your job's actually fairly safe just so they can have someone friendly at the door yeah well at least you know at least i have that i think generally you know i've had compliments from managers that i'm a friendly person i have a nice attitude to me and stuff like that and i guess that's what they why they keep putting me on the fucking door because i can at least try and keep a smile going on and keep you know talking to customers oh absolutely like you know you could not imagine how dead inside it feels to just stand there for three and a half hours pretending like you don't exist or wishing that people would pretend you didn't exist you know it's easier that way to be honest um it's not a hard job but it's you know hard in its own ways whether you're fucking bored

out of your mind yeah yeah um and you know so as it stands given this ridiculous i pretty much just by this point flip a coin on whether i'm going to check a bag or not wish i had a coin it'd be easier yeah look it's how it is and apparently i'm good at my job um and but other than that i'm just like a discount customer service person that you know if someone wants to ask a question they'll ask me if they're at the front and because i only work on the door and I don't work the floor, I don't work in apparel or anything like that, I don't actually know exactly where much stuff is because I've never had to work on those levels.

And then you can make that complaint and they'll just be like, oh, just do a walk around the store. I was like, if I do a walk around the store, I'm not going to suddenly scan every item in our fucking, you know, store place and know exactly where it is, if it's in stock and all that shit oh where can i find scales i don't know hey where can i find scales that way inside the store you know five years i have enough knowledge to know the area that it should be but if someone

should know like the exact aisle fuck no oh yeah we change stuff around anyway how am i supposed to keep track i don't know how anyone in that store knows where stuff goes it's hard enough to remember where stuff goes in a supermarket where we have like properly laid out aisles. You guys just have aisles just going anywhere because you have the big clothes sections and then just aisles of stuff in between and then just more clothes and other aisles everywhere. It's this magical guessing game. The few times I've had to do like a restocking shelves and stuff like that, like, you know,

putting some returns back onto the shelf and everything it's it's a glorious game because they're like oh yeah you just go to this area it's like yeah i know where that is go there and then i'll spend like five minutes looking for this one fucking little plushy god damn knows what that stops the door from closing and i bet it's not where all the other ones are and then i'll ask someone who knows and they're just like oh yeah that one i used to have trouble with that it's like well why doesn't anyone fix it and it'll take me to the some random fuck off area in the store and for some reason there's a doorstop you know plushy thing there yeah i can only imagine how much of a mess getting loose stock is just like i don't care to know

yeah i that's why i see when whenever I go into a store like that, there's just stuff in places it shouldn't be because I can imagine that they just don't want to fix it. They should, but it's just too much work. It's an assumption I make that the people who do, what do you call it, night film, things like that, some of them, as they get more accustomed to their job, they care less about finding the exact spot where something should go, so're just like ah this is the same place that you know same category of items put it there and then when you're starting off new you know you'll be trying to be exact but

you'll be slower and they won't like that you're slower it's like i'm doing the job properly oh yeah well i had someone the other day um so there's a a gatorade i think it's called like berry something or other doesn't matter what it is. It's purple. Yeah. Purple drink. There's also a type of mother called Berry Ice. And this person decided to put the full box of Berry Ice mother in the Gatorade spot, even though there's Gatorade all around it.

It's like, what are you doing? Are you an idiot? They just read Berry and thought it was the same thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's that sort of zone-out period, I guess. You stop thinking. It's easier to do a retail shift when you stop thinking. That's why I hate when people ask me questions.

I always love when I get questions and I'm just standing right next to the item. Have you tried tilting your head a little bit? Okay, you'll probably love this. So I'm assuming you understand, you know, the general layout of every store would probably be right next to the front trolleys, right? Sure.

More or less once a shift, maybe less sometimes, maybe once every couple of shifts, I will get someone guaranteed who will come up to me and ask, where are your trolleys as they come into the store? Right on the other side, you know, it's not a very wide area, maybe a couple of meters wide. Right on the other side of this you know it's not a very wide area maybe a couple meters wide right on the other side of that is a whole stack of two lines of trolleys that should be very obviously seen it has a sign next to it and everything but i i don't say anything anymore i just kind of do like a i'm like scratching my chin or something like that this time i'll just be like i'll do that because they you know if you say anything they just feel

stupid but if you point and just you know pretend they don't exist it's easier for them they'll laugh to themselves and they'll keep fucking walking my favorite one was i had someone ask me where the freezers were like have you considered walking to the wall of freezers you can't miss them you can't yeah freezers that's you know maybe like a section in the freezer freezer aisles and stuff like that might be harder to find but freezers are pretty damn obvious. Yeah. And you know they're not going to be middle of the store or something like that. You wouldn't expect it.

I actually did see them in the middle of a store once. It was weird. It's much easier to build them into a wall. I don't know why they- Yeah, exactly. So you build them into a wall, and for some places, it's easier to have it built into the wall because then you can have the refill side of it be on the other side of that wall. You see that in certain things where they actually restock the shelves from behind the the door yeah that's too expensive for us we just stick our hands in there

nah fuck that we'll just we'll just use ice um but um with the trolleys the uh the trolley guys are probably the most chill people at my store because they have the worst job yeah they have really shit jobs and they get abused by the old people at my work as well like they just hate hate them really hate them no go on all right go on what you're saying oh fucking hell it's gonna be awkward if i keep doing that that's fine it's just because of the the online stuff one day i'll have the podcast in person it could be easy um yeah so the trolley i don't know what you call trolley guys trolley retrievers whatever you want to call them i don't know what they i don't know what their actual name is like what their job is at least at my store they're a part of the uh the services crew yeah but i mean like the the name of that role like a trolley

yeah man i don't know what it is yeah yeah but those kinds of people they're typically most of them that i i encounter at kmart are really lovely and they they recognize me now because i'm like one of the few people who either bothers to interact with them or isn't a dick to them because i just feel like you know i'll just give them a you know friendly nod away about them say hello something like that and they appreciate it so every time like these guys come in and i've just started my shift something that they'll see me in the back oh hello really like friendly and stuff like that it's better than what i get from like the old kmart employees because they're like oh hey sam the jobs inside the store are too easy.

You've got to go do the hard job and then you'll be a really nice person. It's weird. But yeah, some of them aren't very good at their job and they don't stick around too long. I don't find. But the ones that do do a good job, they still get shit

from certain employees and stuff like that. And I want to just intervene because I'm pretty sure every, you know, they still get shit from certain, like, employees and stuff like that. And I want to just, like, intervene because it's like, I'm pretty sure every time that happens, they start working slower. I was looking for the name of the position, but I can't seem to find it. It seems to just be a part, at least in my store, just a part of, like, the cold services. I don't think this is, like, an official title.

Let's apply for a job. Let's see if we can find it uh the part of some sort of like organization or something aren't they that works with coals and kmart because we're under the same organization whatever you call coals group yeah whatever it is yeah i'm looking at a job right now it's just store team member cleaning and trolley collection so hmm okay I love that I have this scene set up now so I can actually show stuff off to the side so I can I don't know if you've actually seen the latest episode of the podcast

um you didn't watch it I don't tend to watch podcasts that much not too good I'll be honest um but when i have like an extra seed now so i can move the webcam view like off to the side and then have a yeah like a shot of my uh my web browser off so i can show like yeah i don't know whatever i want to show which is nice good for showcasing my uh i finally bothered to set up obs took me long enough i tried using obs a long time ago with like an older laptop and i think i understood it well enough at the time but

it was not the right laptop for the job no it definitely that's for sure yeah i guess obs is like a memory sponge isn't it joyous but everyone uses it for streaming and everything so you know yeah well as good as you get it's open source as well so you have a lot of forks of it like uh stream labs is the really popular one now for streaming because that has a lot of integration with um do you know do you watch any streams you know stream labs is uh stream that's a familiar term but i don't watch enough streams to really like understand the full extent of it like i i watch some stream stuff but not very often i'm usually doing my own thing yeah yeah okay well um most people like doing super chats through like youtube but stream labs has their own thing and they just don't take a cut of it or it's a smaller cut than youtube takes at

least so a lot of people like to do their donations through stream labs just because they get it they get a bigger cut of it it just makes more sense for the creator and also for the viewer because if you're donating some money you want obviously the money to go to the creator yeah i i don't really follow like youtube streams that much to be like that being said if i if i'm following a stream it's probably from twitch oh yeah people on twitch as well well it's the big daddy yeah I don't know streaming is a cool thing

I understand the appeal for it but it's just something to sit there and watch someone stream for three hours is not really something I want to be doing I don't know what I do with my time to be honest when I think about it, it just exists but I don't like sitting there watching a stream so long I do like watching streams but i like watching the recorded version obviously i won't

sit there and just watch it yeah the vod i won't just sit there and watch it usually i have it on when i'm i don't know i'm making some thumbnails for some videos or checking through reddit to mine some video ideas things like this yeah if i do that i always lose focus i can't like have two things going on at the same time like if i'm working or if i've got a podcast or something on at the same time i'll probably just like mine will just get switched onto the podcast and i'll be listening to that too much i won't focus sufficiently so i try to just not have those distractions around well my main it's not helping my main time i listen to podcasts when i'm out walking ah yeah well honestly it doesn't matter if you're not focusing on the walking

that's kind of the point it's half the point because you don't want to be if you're too zeroed in on the fact that you're walking it's not gonna you know walking is not just an experience that the the idea of it is gonna be like yay walking you're not gonna you're not gonna think that you're gonna be like fuck me this is nothing's happening you. It's a nice day outside, cool, but it's not going to keep me entertained for half an hour. I guess that first day after winter, you're really excited to be walking. What?

Exercise, God. I have been a bit lazy on it lately, just because it's been real wet outside. I'm just like, I don't want to go outside. Exercise was really great for me last year with you know i used to be a lot more overweight and everything and i lost a ton of weight doing judo and then started picking up the gym as well and stuff like that i felt great at the gym and then all of them yeah literally a week before i was going to join

locked out amazing yeah and all that shit and and that was going really good for both Corey and I, because I was dragging him to the gym. It's a lot better going to the gym as well, for me as well. Like, my motivation is terrible. I'm terribly self-disciplined, and you probably know that. Yeah, I'm well aware. In various ways. I'm surprised you showed up on time.

That's impressive. Fuck you. Yeah, I mean, look, when something something's important i think i always do my best to try and you know make sure i'm there on time and then deliver but i am you know i'm haphazard i know that i'm a living hazard most of the time depends on how important that's the thing that's true and and it's it's it's oh we're gonna go completely derailed from what i was just talking about but this is something that stresses me out with uni and things for example you know maybe a certain assignment we're supposed to be doing uh do monday this weekend or something uh you should probably

do the introduction for that because you had the smallest workload you're oh yeah i could i could do that i am happy to do yeah because matri and i divvied up on the same um section and yeah i don't i don't like being like, you know, when you've got like this person doing this section, this person doing this section, these people doing this section. And it's like equal amount of work, but then two people doing half of half. It feels bad.

It doesn't feel good. But, you know, introduction or abstract, anything like that. I love doing those because I'm really good at writing. You don't have to write anything too complex. We just need it for the draft. It could be garbage. It could be garbage. It could be garbage. And most of the time an abstract is.

But there's a certain way to do eloquent garbage. Sure, yeah. That's a word for it. Or a phrase, I should say. But yeah. And as I was going to say, with exercise and stuff like that, exercise is terrible. Self-disciplining myself to do it happens so rare.

Well, like getting yourself to do it on your own i find i know the feeling i i was trying to exercise by myself for a while we had like a gym at my old place and i would push myself to do it and then i got lazy for a day and then i just stopped yep exactly it's so easy to like break that chain and you know people often say it's hard to develop a habit but once you do it's hard to break the habit but to be honest you know see enough we think with cory and i were going to the gym two to three times a week um every week and then i was locked down suddenly going down we spoke about doing exercise never happened it was gone it was just out of the out the window um and yeah but like when you've got someone there it's not even like a social aspect all the time you don't have to always be talking to the person you're going going to the gym with but hello

we all good there i don't know i don't know what that was it's car horn surely well yeah not that much yeah it's it's not even necessarily like that you have someone to talk to there obviously you probably would end up talking and that's what cory and a couple of my other friends and i do but it's just it's just like kind of if you're associated that you know you go to the gym together then it's also a bit of like an expectation of yourself and and from the other person that you go to the gym when they do and you want to meet that expectation unless you're a dead weight but you know good look good enough we haven't been with jim yeah try try to at least keep up appearances at least show up even

if you don't do anything i mean once you're there you'll probably do something because you'd be a bit awkward going to the gym and just standing there well i mean you could just like for the personal trainers you could just go light on yourself like oh i can do this much weight but i'm gonna do half of it yeah i mean there's from i don't know if you've ever met slip my friend slip he came and played squash with us a few times and things like that really nice guy never done squash for you guys oh really i thought you did that's another thing that we were supposed to do at some point just never got to it yeah who was it that did squash with us then i thought it was you i don't know anymore okay well it doesn't matter slip really nice guy but he is a hulking massive man like compared to other people who like computers and it typically um

he's very very uh fit and he he does say that you know there's nothing wrong with doing half the you know you don't always want to go for your max weight because there's different kinds of trainings You can do you could do half the weight that is your max and you could just do it as many reps as you can Until you get tired You're just like putting half the effort in Yeah But I meant like you just yeah, you're kind of just not do the same but with less It's like I can do 20 reps on I don't know 30 kilos i'm gonna do 20

reps on 15 yeah no that then then you're literally just doing you're barely going to be exercising anything probably or if you are it's going to be very light exercise and it's not necessarily a bad thing all the time if you're really sore but if you're just doing it because you're a lazy piece of shit what's the point of going i don't know how to be too mean but hey how'd we get to this i don't know we somehow got from retail to exercise i mean how do we get to be lazy about working out we got to you no idea cory going to the gym i was gonna join you guys yeah and which you should when everything eases up again yeah i will um it'll be good for you yeah good for all of us i hope my wrist is better by then i don't know what i did i fucked

up my wrist a while ago and it's gotten worse no i basically it was when i did my storm and stuff um and yeah i don't know i need to get someone to look at it because it's been a serious problem for a while. Yeah, yeah. I think, and this is a conversation I was having with a friend of mine, actually might have been part of yesterday or on the previous weekend, talking about a friend in Brisbane. She's an artist and she has very severe issues

with her shoulder and some of it in her wrist. And it's given that she's very passionate about being an artist and everything like that she's you know never really going to be able to find the time to try and heal what is you know repetitive strain injury and it kind of we talked about this it's like any sort of computer heavy oriented thing that's going to require a lot of movement of your wrist and stuff like that and that's art programming animation all those sorts of things is probably going to start doing some damage to your wrist and if you are working a you know working towards it either as a job or an aspiration that you need to keep at

then you're not going to have a lot of time to rest and you're going to keep those injuries for a long time or possibly permanently injure yourself that's kind of something we all i think if we're all going to be going into programming and stuff like that's something we all need to be prepared for or aware of it sounds dumb it's like no no that's that's fair yeah it's just like because it's a dumb concept you think like the job where you literally are doing this when you're working you're like you know multi-chinning if you're working around i'm impressed somehow you injure yourself now i think the um what i did from it was actually doing something that you could actually injure yourself with uh originally what what it was was lifting pallets by myself oh yeah which they tell

you not to do but when you're the storm and you're the only one there so that you actually have to break ohs rules to do your job yeah which is hilarious um yeah it's like how they you know they tell you there's only one way that you can do like picking up of an item from from the floor or something like that you have to use your knees and all that stuff i'll be honest i don't always do it yeah you should there's some older people at my store who don't do it i'm like are you you're like you're trying to break are you an idiot like what are you doing look bending the knees that's you know that's obviously a habitual one i think if you know to do it you'll probably do it but then there's like one that really gets me is when

there's like they have charts of like the the technique to picking something up like just like a small thing off the ground and it's like you need to really pivot your leg up into the air as you pick up the item it's like why don't you just squat down yeah it's not hard everything with a squat that's the easiest way to do it yeah whether it's the best or i don't know get some exercise into you goddamn oh man all right seeing as retail keeps coming back up let's try and go into something maybe a little bit more interesting judo you know i picked up judo for a year and obviously can't continue at the moment because yeah and it's been an awesome experience and,

and for my health and just for a lot of things, just really interesting. Um, but it was an interesting relation to retail and how it helped me with, I don't know when I was not very physically, uh, well exercised and not fit. Um,

squatting was still annoying. Even, you know, it's just an awkward thing. I wasn't very balanced, stuff like that. Judo, you do a lot of squatting because you're throwing people over your shoulder or around you to the side of you all that

sort of stuff you gotta really be good at crouching down and getting back up real quick um so suddenly like you know just in my day-to-day life it used to be if i had to crouch down to do something it'd be like real groaning like do it everything cracks like my knees are cracking and like i feel fucking horrible doing it like really slow and then suddenly out of nowhere it's like without even thinking of like the how it had developed over time i just found myself like i gotta go and pick something up you know grab something after like a lower draw squat down instant super easy i was like holy shit i'm like a ninja squats are one of those things that no matter how unfit i get i can just do as many

squats as like just fucking do as many squats as like just fucking way too many squats because i'm always doing them at work yeah it's i mean as an exercise it seems to be one that you can do pretty like extensively you can do a lot of squats before you get tired um same thing i find with sit-ups as yes if you do them properly as well um it's a similar thing with sit-ups my god watching some people do sit-ups is very interesting because you'd see like people who can't figure out how to get that like that position right so that they don't just as they try to sit up their legs like go up into the air or something yeah there's there's ways to fix that um and if you do it by

weighing your thing your legs down with a certain object if it's too heavy an object you'll probably just be using that leverage instead of actually lifting with your core and stuff like that but sit-ups i do find is one of those things that i can do so many of them and it doesn't feel like i'm actually going to get an exercise out of it i find out the next day no i'm okay i'm completely opposite with sit-ups really yeah that's interesting so how many can you like how many sit-ups can you do before you get like in a while. I could do like 100. I'd probably be tired of doing 100 proper sit-ups,

but I could do 100 of them and I'd still be like, am I going to actually feel exercise out of this? The next day I'll find out. Oh, yeah, sure. I'll be like, sit up in the morning and be like, no, we're going to roll out of bed tonight. Not today. Not tonight. Yeah, it's like that sometimes.

The first couple of weeks especially is the worst part of getting back to working out one. I feel like I've learned after doing it for long enough, after giving up exercising enough times, what a good point to go to is, like where my body is saying, okay, you're being a bitch and this is your actual limit. Yeah. Because once you get past that limit of you're're being a bitch and this is your actual limit yeah because once you get past that limit of you're just being a bitch you know you have a lot more that you can do

yeah it also feels bad when you knew like you know when you're younger and stuff like that you could have done a lot more and then you see how much you've degraded as well that sucks yeah i don't know i see people who are in their like 30s and 40s and they're just falling apart it's like i don't want to do that no it's exercise and health and stuff like that i still got to improve a lot of it and i just want to get better and better at it um because i mean like when i was younger i was i was active even though even though i was a super nerd like playing games all the time and stuff like that in primary school high school i was still pretty active and i could run and do all that stuff for a long time and then suddenly uni i'm just like i'm fat and i can't run for like more than 10 seconds

yeah that's weird it's like i don't know i don't know what it is about that because you go like you're in primary school in high school you can like go pe class to work out a bit then you leave that and you're like oh now i'm somehow fat how'd this happen yeah and it's like pe wasn't even that major you do it like once a week maybe twice yeah and somehow we never really do that maybe it's part of being like young and stuff like that i hate saying that because we're still only 21 that sort of age it's pretty 22 now crusty old man i forgot about that i thought i was 20 the other day it's like oh yeah it's weird to like not describe yourself as young because you're not old but you know there is a section of people who are younger than you and that's what i mean when i say young you know when you're like

a teenager and stuff like that the thing is that you're probably older than a lot of the people working in your store oh because you have all like the high school is getting their first job and you're like that was like six years ago when i could have done that yeah look i meet new people and some of them like are way more mature seeming than i i would think and i'll you know i'll be cracking jokes with them and stuff like that and then they'll be like you know we'll start talking about education and stuff like that i'll be talking about uni assuming that they're in uni and they're just like oh i'm still in like year 10 i was like yeah what the fuck there are a couple of people like that those are the people that i actually like working with because you have the there's there's two kinds of

teenagers there's the ones who their parents tell them you have to get a job and there's the ones who want some extra money yeah yeah and then there's yeah i mean there's also like very personalities and levels of maturity that you find in teenagers and stuff like that and sometimes sometimes i i meet younger employees who i'm like oh my god you're like way better than i was you know like you know just your outlook on life and things like that you think i was like shit what was i doing with my life when i was year 10 i was probably like fucking i don't even think I would have you had like RuneScape and watching lots of anime

yeah now just no RuneScape yeah I'd have just been playing fucking Starcraft 2 every night or something like that maybe doing homework if I felt like it um and these people hey what was homework

yeah exactly mate up until uni I just did stuff on the last day What was homework? And these people, hey? What was homework? Yeah, exactly. Mate, up until uni, I just did stuff on the last day. Yeah, God. Uni. It was weird because, like, you know, I didn't have to do too much, like, a lot before. You know, I could get away with doing things a couple days before in high school and stuff like that.

And then uni, it was like, I still do that sometimes. It depends on the subject. But there are ones where, I don't know, you just seem to know that you need to focus on it a bit more and you just do it unless you're a certain someone we know a certain creature yeah you know that for a minute i don't think it's an appropriate person to name i think i've named it on the podcast but but you know the one yeah we could call him we can call him gloth galob sure yep yes gloth galob um yes gloth galob is a specimen of a creature who somehow is in the same year as us of uni

technically not he's failed some classes well yes but he's still there you know the one and despite so many failed classes they haven't kicked him out yet and they kept threatening to But he's still there And Thinks so highly of himself But there is one class He's real

Real excited about Hmm? His Japanese class Ah Yes He was so excited about Going to Japan as well Ah

I think he was gonna like Have to do like a homestay Or something in Japan He was so excited about it It's like mate You're failing everything else Like what are you doing? Damn North Galop I think he was going to have to do a homestay or something in Japan. He was so excited about it. It's like, mate, you're failing everything else. What are you doing? Damn, Glothgalob.

Why are you even in a software engineering degree? Just go and do a language study or something. He wants to be a game designer. I want to be a game designer. Well, not game designer, but a game developer. And I mean, I don't consider myself the most thrifty programmer out there, not even slightly, because compared to, say, you or Josh Steele, who are very applied people, in your spare time,

you encounter so many things beyond what we learn in uni. You guys are doing phenomenal work in that thing. It's obviously not the same same for me because it's not what i want to apply myself to i just learn unity sure unity is fucking me i hate unity we can talk to you talk about unity in a moment but anyway yeah i'm not even i haven't dealt too much into it myself but i i didn't mind it i hated another thing very similar to it but yeah we can talk about that well i want to put unity under the bus for a bit yeah okay that's cool i'll be interested to hear it but comparing you know compared to people like you and josh i'm obviously not the most applied programmer i'm still what i would think compared to other people we have in our year level a pretty damn good programmer i can program i can figure

things out i can solve problems pretty well it's been great with cory because cory is obviously a much better work ethic he's a hard you know hard line keeps going i'm like the the person who's near about to have a heart attack because their heart rate's you know gone up and down because i'll have moments where i'm brain dead and then suddenly i'll have these brilliant moments and it irritates cory sometimes because he'll be stuck in a problem for a few hours and he's a great programmer he's you know he gets work out great yeah but he gets stuck on something he can't figure it out and then i'd be like what if you did this thing it's like this three-hour problem like stupid solution suddenly works it's brilliant um yeah mad respect for cory because he's a great person to work alongside with we rally ideas really well

and stuff like that yeah not the best programmer but then you think i could still do you know i can still achieve what i want to achieve and things like that and still manage to, especially when I'm passionate about it. If Glothglob... LAUGHTER If Glothglob is aspiring for the same things and I consider myself to be not, you know, capable, but not the best in my field of programming.

What hope is there for this man who thinks so highly of himself when he applies nothing? Well, yeah, whenever I see him, he's playing Smash and that's all. And then breaking controllers because people are better than him at Smash, even though he says he's great at it. God. Were you there when he threatened to attack me because i kept beating him with one character no i wasn't physical violence it would have been very interesting

if that resorted to that but oh yeah it didn't and i'm glad for that because incidents are bad in union you don't want to have that one well i guess you can test how good you are at judo hey you can tell oh yeah can tell yeah it was an interesting thing with the that because in a previous thing where you know say like working at kmart i'd be threatened with a violence like that and putting aside the thing where you're not supposed to defend yourself i think if i were to be attacked and came out fuck my job i'm gonna defend myself if i have to because i don't you know if they tell you just run away it's like fuck if someone's you know got a knife at you i don't, you know, if they tell you just run away, it's like, fuck, if someone's, you know, got a knife at you,

I don't think you've got much chance, buddy. No, for sure. Yeah, you fight or flight, man. I'm not a violent person. And it was interesting thinking after I'd been doing judo for probably at the time eight months or so, that like the way I saw a situation completely changed. It wasn't like, you know, first it was, it was like my,

he just ran violence and he was very serious about it and in my head it was immediate rather than like being like oh god you know he could have tried to attack me it was something like how do i defuse the situation verbally and if it gets into a bad situation what do i do to defuse the situation physically and it was like this fucking head calculation it felt like bloody john wick of course the execution probably would have been so much more awkward because i was still like a yellow belt to be fair he's not even a white belt yes and like because there's you don't have to do you don't have to be a professional at like a martial art or like a proper martial art one that actually you know talks about how to manipulate

someone else when they're like pushing or pulling in a different way you just need to know the basics to know how to get someone on the ground and put them in a way that they can't really resist you that well. Sure, yeah. You know, there's physics, the ones that actually apply logical physics to a position is like that. And someone of Glorfgalob's physique would not be a difficult one to do that to. Same height as me, more or less, or even possibly shorter than me, which makes it, which is an advantage in judo.

Yeah? I've been a while since I've seen seen him so i'm not really sure yeah i think more or less the same height more or the same height that's you know that's fair play when they're smaller typically it's a lot easier so either or that's an easy situation and then you get into the the you know the actual thought of it is if he's someone who probably doesn't know much about any form of you know come i don't you know i'm not some professional if someone tried to punch me i wouldn't know how to properly block a punch I do judo we don't strike um but if you can if you know if he's pushing or pulling in one way or another

that's the situation where he probably wouldn't know what I'm gonna try to do and you could just sweep a leg you don't have to be a pro at that to just sweep a leg and know how to push someone's head to get them off balance goes on the ground you just get his arm in a certain position head hold his neck he's done he's on the ground he can't push his arm in a certain position, head, hold his neck, and he's done. He's on the ground. He can't push out. Well, knowing him, he'd probably try to like grab your shirt or something. In which case, yeah, you could just sweep his legs and he's on the ground. Yeah, um, obviously someone who's actually trained at fighting, you wouldn't be able

to just do that too, but someone who has no idea what they're doing, you can just sweep their legs and they'll be gone. It's a thing to consider because, you know, even when they train you in Judo, they don't want you to go looking for a fight and I wouldn't want to go looking for a fight because i just you know there's so many things i could do wrong and it's there's a difference between when you're training even when you're aspiring to if you get into that real situation adrenaline pumping and everything people act in different ways but if you do succeed it you'll know exactly the process you have to follow to get them into a lockdown where they can't do anything and we have a there's

a particularly really easy thing to learn, I forget what it's called because it's been a while, thank you lockdown. I think it's called a kesagatame or something like that. It's a lockdown where you have the one arm locked under your armpit and the other arm, your arm around their neck. Let me just Google if this is correct before I keep talking about this.

I'll put it up on the screen. Yes, it's kesakatame. Kesakatame. And you basically, the way I describe it is you kind of position your legs in a sort of tripod sort of thing outwards from your position. And what's really good about that is that one, I mean, they've got an arm free, so they could try and do something to you. But the way you position yourself, typically, it's not easy for them to reach around and grab you in ways.

There's ways to get out of it. And, you know, if you know if you know you know but for someone like glorf galob um if he's on if he was on the ground in that situation the position is very easy for you because it requires a lot more effort for someone to push themselves push you off of them in that position than for you to hold them you have your weight on them you have a levered situation with the position of your legs so that everything is more or less just stopping them from pushing up um that's you know that's a really simple thing to learn if you even understand understood how to do that you don't have to be someone at judo if someone you know if you were threatened and someone fell on the ground or

someone was doing something in a store and you wanted to try and do something i don't necessarily recommend it because you know as they always say don't be a hero but if the you know opportunity presents itself why not well this right here this is why you don't go looking for a fight yes oh please because it's you know you talk about martial arts and people think that you can fight anyone but you should never go out of your way to fight someone so someone tried to mug a UFC fighterc fighter a female ufc fighter and that went exactly as well as you'd expect she uh beat the crap out of him wait is there have you i'll send a link oh good good good so oh yeah don't try to don't try to mug people because they might be in the ufc

yeah i mean you know your chances of that is not too high sure i don't know if we don't be looking for a fight they could at least be like just trained in a martial art yeah um as i said like in all honesty even if you are trained in a martial art things can go wrong oh of course but if you're going up if the person who's coming after you has no idea what they're doing, your chances are better. If you aren't able to or for some reason you're deciding not to try and evade the situation and you have to get into it the proper way, then yeah, obviously it gives you an edge to even know a little bit about self-defense.

It doesn't have to be a martial art per se self-defense comes in many different forms but to know something is always going to be helpful um and i think judo and jujitsu things like that uh hey sorry go for the nuts yeah uh not incorrect to be honest there's three areas that i i can't remember where i heard this but this you know if you're not a martial artist and things like that, or you're not a fighter, there's three things you can do to try and disable a situation a bit more easily. Three areas you should go for the shin, the groin and the neck, because the neck, obviously, you know, no matter how strong you are and stuff like that, your neck is always going to be a little soft thing. And if you hit someone, you know, straight in the windpipe or the Adams up or whatever, no one's strong you are and stuff like that, your neck is always going to be a little soft thing. And if you hit someone straight in the windpipe or the Adam's apple, whatever, no one's going to like that.

They're going to be coughing for air. They'll be, you know, it's going to suck. Hit them in the groin. It doesn't have an immediate effect, but that effect when it builds up is always going to resonate. Well, there's a good reason why in UFC and MMA, eye shots and nut shots are against the rules

because they're too effective. They're too damaging shots. Yeah. It's basically, you know, if you're really in a dire situation and you need to defend yourself or you need to hurt someone, it's always the places that are either

not with a lot of muscle or places that, you know, just in general, it's easy to hit. So that's always going to be, yeah. Sorry, I missed the eyes as well. Eyes, gro eyes groin neck and especially the front of the neck the throat and and the shin because you can know you know your leg shin that's pretty much just like a layer of bone that doesn't have a lot of muscle going in front of it yeah i kick someone there i hope they're not a fucking kickboxer because then they'll have like rock hard shit from doing

a fucking leg kicks. Yeah, exactly. Um, it's, oh man, it's, that's the annoying thing with like, when you're, when you're first starting off in judo and people are learning to sweep legs, you are not coordinated and you will kick a lot of shins or you'll be kicked in the shin a lot. Yeah. Fuck that. And you're doing like the, can you like repeat the throw like five times or something like that? It's more so like get kicked in the shin five times.

I was like, all right, right cool i didn't want to walk on this leg i mean it's not that bad but you see the bruise and you're like oh that looks a lot worse than it feels yeah well once i finish off with uni like i'm gonna have so much free time for a while yeah i need to pick something else up because i'm the kind of person where if i don't i i get more work done when I have less time it's weird because if I have more time I tend to find myself slacking off more so I try to fill my time

with extra time I completely agree with you there I know we were supposed to get onto Unity but this is something I actually really like talking about you need to come back eventually I really like this concept because I agree with

you 100 the more time you like free time you have it seems the less motivated you are to drive yourself to do something and it's it's a weird thing with uni because when uni a lot of the time for me feels very loose and i mean we have a schedule but it's pretty unscheduled you know schedule now though that's the thing absolutely no schedule yeah um and that sort of issue i almost am excited for a day where i can work you know a more or less full-time job and stuff like that because i find more motivation when i am doing something menial for in my day and then afterwards i want to do something with myself if i have heaps of time in in in a week it's like that if i you know have literally nothing on for a week i never achieve anything particularly productive or it's

very rare that i do i find and it's it's this phrase i remember hearing from someone you know so like finding your dream at the bottom of the kitchen kitchen pot talking about someone having a job where they're a kitchen cleaner and working in that job is where they sort of found more motivation and what they want to do with their life because you know a lot of people who have a lot of free time but they don't know what they want to do with their life after uni or when they go into uni a classic thing these days well yeah a lot of people who just go into school because they were in school already and just like just because they they don't have a direction and they're just like well obviously just go back to school that's gonna work yeah i mean in all, I was like that for the most part.

I mean, I only did software engineering originally. It wasn't even software engineering, it was IT. I only did that because I knew I was someone who liked computers and I had at times a way of figuring things out that my friends didn't. So I was like, I want to learn more about computers. I'm interested. Whatever. Yeah, yeah.

What is going on there? Oh, no, you can see in the top corner of my screen my uh mind there and it was annoying me i've never had that show up in a shop before right but i guess a bit too much light coming in through my window i've got the window actually closed right now um just because it makes it easier to do the lighting anyway i cut you off with my random no it's completely fine, because this is kind of a bit of a ramble anyway, something that I think about a lot,

and I'm interested because I think... I can't quite remember. It's been a while since we've had any deep talks, like talking in your car for two hours out the front of my house one time. Yeah, that was an experience. That was for sure. Yeah, so weird, but it was fun.

Yeah, so, you you know high school i only went into to went from high school to uni doing it because i knew i liked computers i wanted had an interest in voice acting had an interest in game development but i didn't know how to apply myself and i was like in the end i hear so many things about you don't actually end up using your degree most of the time statistically or some shit like that i don't know the full like you know stats of that but i hear it a lot enough and so my thought was just i'll just go and do something and do something with my life at the very least and see if i can take it somewhere sure and but in the end i'm pretty happy with software engineering anyway and and it does have its applications to game development in the end um but there's so many people who are here like the same thing like people saying they don't know what to do with their life without high

school i mean funnily enough came out it's a good avenue to find people who are kind of looking for answers in a lot of things well the thing is a lot of those people who are working i don't know if it's the same for you i would say about 70 of the people who work in my store are either really old people or they're uni students yeah typically and unless they're like the young new ones yeah and that's small we don't really hire kids because kids are shit at their job we just we don't hire them we do well usually they go to checkout and i have to deal with them but yeah well unfortunately i do because i'm a checkout operator if I'm not a dog reader. You're a checkout as well. Okay. Not often enough.

I'm not pretty enough for checkouts. I can talk to people. So if I have to do checkouts, I can do it. Yeah, yeah. Like the actual checkout part of it. I just like talking to people when they're not shitty. But yeah, I mean, you meet people there who, if you get along with them well well enough You'll hear that they're in uni or they're in high school And these are the ones I'm talking about the teenagers and the uni people

Who either they're going you know near the end of high school and they don't know what to do with their lives or if they're Nearing the end of uni and it's weird saying this because you know, I'm still in uni I am NOT in any way wiser than them if I'm the similar age But I have an outlook where I say to be honest if you don't know where you're going with your life Don't just you know say you get a job opportunity to work somewhere full-time Don't just toss it out the window because you're worried that you'll you know not be able to go into the field you know Or always be time to search for the job that you want to work But in the meantime why not apply yourself somewhere else so that you're doing something and you have an income to support yourself

I see so many people who you know even people and friends I meet online who live in Malaysia and stuff like that, could get an opportunity to work a job that they didn't dream of doing after uni. And in the end, you kind of just got to bite the bullet and take a job while you're doing something, you know, while you're trying to find the one you want to do, because you can't always just get straight into it. For sure. Yeah, I completely agree with you. Because when i first got into uni the reason i ended up going to software engineering i was in the mainstream

one and then development then engineering the reason i got into that is because i had a a programming class in my high school i think year 11 year 10 we had a robotics class where we did lego mind storms i don't know if you ever used that before nope basically it makes it lets you make like little lego robots and then you do um basically uh drag and drop programming so similar to how like scratch would work yeah i've worked with something similar before in primary no primary school yeah primary school yeah it's designed towards primary school we did in year 10 anyway um in year 11 we had a java class where we did development in greenfoot which is like a a game development like it's the worst game development library on the planet year 12 we did the same thing but then it was harder um yeah so i was like okay well i've

always been interested in computers i'm'm going to go into uni. I'm going to do programming. And then as I get into that, my interest in like what I wanted to do in, because I didn't really have a direct interest in programming like some people do. I did like programming just because it was like an avenue to work with computers. So it's the same as me, more or less. Sure, yeah. You did it because you liked, you know, computers and things like that.

But you weren't directly wired towards programming yeah i wasn't like i want to do game development like some people are or i want to do networking like some people i don't know what kind of person you have to be to say i want to do networking but sure especially like yeah from a young age you're like a 10 year old like i want to be a network administrator. I want to develop wide area networks. Yeah. I don't know if that kid doesn't exist. I'm sure they exist somewhere. Someone in the comments is probably going to be that kid,

but I don't believe you're a real person anyway. So programming was just an avenue to get into working with computers. And then over a couple of years, I got into doing the YouTube stuff. I was like, huh, I can start messing with a Linux system and make videos on that. So right now, the degree, I'm going to finish it.

But right now, it's my backup plan. Because if this doesn't work, I can go do software engineering. I can get some junior position as a web dev. That's fine. But if I can make this work this is more like I can if I want to do programming I could do programming if I want to dick around with tile and window managers I can do that if I want to I don't know anything if I want to build computers that's another thing I could do so I can still

do everything I wanted to do and it's more of like a general approach to working with computers still going in that same direction and I guess the degree it's not that it's not directly helping me do that but it did let me I guess uh fine-tune where I wanted to take myself really I guess yeah if that makes sense no it does it does so it's hard to say i mean i guess you are similar to me but you had you know obviously your own differences and of course you know we're all different people and shit like that so i see some similarities in the way we we looked at things um but you have a much better outlook on the different things that you can do i would say you know my thing is basically i'm hardwired i want to be a game developer if that

doesn't work i guess i look into software engineering i guess i become a manager at kmart no i would sooner die like in the end like if I if you know if it doesn't work out I'm sure I could live with being a security guard or something like that and funnily enough I've been told by

like actual security guards the proper ones that have guns and stuff like that that greeters are not bad security guards because they know the main way

to be a security guard is not actually to fight people and stuff like that it's to try and defuse the situation greeters have to do that so I actually have an association with like a jewelry store security guard just right

next to kmart he's a pretty nice guy and he just told me all this information so literally if i can't be a game developer if i can't be a software engineer i'll probably just give up on it dreams and then just become a security guard at least for the time being and live that out well one of my housemates is a jip rocker now he used to be a software dev he's a what a jip rocker what the fuck is that they'll like bring in boards jip rock and install jip rock what the fuck is jip rock fucking what wait how do you know what jip rock is how do you spell this i'll send you a link uh here we go gyprock this is a website that sells gyprock

this is actually a really bad link I shouldn't have sent this one let's find another one let's go to images I have never heard of this before in my life it's like here uh video there we go gyiprox like plasterboard

right it's the shit that goes behind your walls yeah well right i never knew it was called jiprock it was just that stuff yeah here we go okay so he went from it to Gyprock. Yeah, in like the 90s, he was a government software developer. Yeah, I hear up and down things about being government software development. As I said earlier, the reason, or part of why I was saying that before, where your job goes up in the air when the government changes is because of that. Yeah. Because there might just not be funding for your department anymore or yeah

or things like that yeah suddenly everything that you've been doing you know you'd be working on projects that previously they wanted you to do and then suddenly it's like nah fuck that yep how'd you go bye bye it's like that with anything but at least when there's a a financial interest in it they'll at least try to keep pursuing it while it's making money with a government project they're just like oh government changes well we're gonna do something different now yeah well hopefully i won't have to deal with that if i if i can get into any of the film i probably you know i think it's not too uncommon that people find themselves... Hello? Very good. I'm going to try and get a little bit of a very good welcome to retail they can't even call my phone anymore and i don't know why but it's a blessing

like if they want if they want to call me to work sometime they can't contact me whatever i don't even know if i had the mic muted before or not was it muted i don't know i could hear you okay on discord for some reason when i tried to unmute it went back to mute oh yeah when i thought i'd unmuted it muted whatever mate technology yeah technology stuff happens remember when you connected to a zoom meeting for uh our honors project course i don't even know your mic was that one yeah i know but it was fucking hilarious when you just suddenly your mic unmuted and you were loud as all hell and you were like can you guys hear me just like sorry who's that

and i had to tell you i was like brody and mike's thing and then just another thing in the zoom meeting is this booming voice just like oh sorry it's just like sitting there you know this this karen of a lady with a thick rimmed glass and she's like what i feel bad that was a waste of a time of her class but i feel bad slightly not much yeah it was hilarious for me though so funny oh god i'm trying to find out when i'm working next week and i've roster system's been down the past couple of days which is same here because we're only the same organization probably so i have no idea when i'm actually working yeah it's usually a tuesday for me nowadays because i'm wednesday to friday i'm working at the government police place that i cannot name or i'm not supposed to name uh you might be able

to name it you can't i don't know what what your nda says we were taught well no it's not an nda thing we just advise that you don't really want to talk about, like, where you're working in government stuff because stuff happens and it has happened. Sure. We already had, like, a weird interaction with a lady at, like, a coffee shop. It was like, okay. Sure. That's bizarre.

Yeah. It wasn't, like, a serious thing or anything like that, but it's just the happenstance that for some reason while we're talking about the place we're working in we just happen to have some crazy lady at the same counter as us and she started talking to us about it's like i don't want to have this conversation she's asking questions that we clearly can't answer she is a russian spy she actually told us that we should look up this thing i can't remember remember what it was called. It was a Russian hacker group, though. They had named themselves after us. Let's see if I can remember what it is.

It might be this. No, I don't remember what it's called. But she was like, you guys should look into this. I was like, the fuck, lady? Why? It's like, I'll teach you many things. Teach you many things. It was so weird I don't understand

She was like a civil engineer She introduced herself as a civil engineer At least Some person getting coffee randomly in the day Why the fuck Do you just randomly encounter people like that In the street or at a store You just decide to have a conversation with them

I don't mind random conversations with strangers but when they're just like that and they're way too interested in what you're doing and stuff it's like please stop it's kind of creepy yeah no i get that i've never had anyone that weird but walking through work and someone that i don't know will just start trying to have a conversation with me your mic just muted i'm sorry what you just went silent for a sec there can you hear me now yes what the fuck i didn't touch anything you're just like suddenly you're talking and then just suddenly you're like the russian guys are after me oh i can hear you now. What did you say?

Walking through like a supermarket and just some random person would start talking to you. You're not even saying anything. They don't hear our conversation. They just start talking to you. Start talking. Can you not? Have you ever met Alec, Jai's friend?

Looks like a crow. Yeah, I have met him. I haven't spoken to him much. Okay. Really nice guy. But Jai, him, a co-worker of theirs and I went out for lunch in the city one time. And we were just walking through the city coals. You know, you can go like one way and you go through it and you end up some other place in the city.

Sure, yeah. If you go through the whole store. Because there's like two exits. As we were walking through one of the aisles and we're just looking at a couple things this weird old lady comes up to us and she starts she's like excuse me you look like smart young chaps it's like oh here we go and it okay this and i assure you this is not a fake thing and there was no prompt to this conversation bloody jai and his other friend who i can't remember the name of sorry sorry random guy, they

just snuck off as Alec and I were ensnared in the witch's trap. This lady starts talking to us about, I can't even remember what medication it is, something like paracetamol or something like that. She's like, paracetamol and sulfites inside of it, did you know that they make your legs fat? I was like, what are you fucking on? and She starts just you know, we're trying to be I don't want to be rude to an old lady and stuff like that

So Alec and I we don't know what to do in this situation. I'm like, no, I'm not sure what you mean she's like I think we need to get those scientists people and Into a conversation ask them about what the sulfites are doing i don't understand what sulfites what what is she on about and there was no escaping she was following us and we were like sitting and we have to go meet up with our friends he's like walking with us talking about it and i was the only way we got out of the situation i think i think we pointed out a a worker there who's like perhaps they can help you with the question she's like oh okay walks up and alec

and i was just fucking yeet we're out of there that relates to the one time i was back before i drove i'd be catching the train to work all the time and yeah i was sitting at the train station once and this old dude he started talking to me he was wearing like a conductor's cap um okay and he started talking about he started talking about the trains that adelaide uses and like the history of adelaide trains oh my god i'm like i don't care sometimes those conversations are really cool you have like a really like wise old man it entertains you for the it went for like 20 minutes yeah and i had a book that i was gonna read like i don't i don't care about the trains that's yeah nothing you're saying was crazy it was just all train history like if you walk into like a museum and you just have like a guide walking you through the train museum that's what

it was yeah okay that that's that's not a super ideal thing i mean i've had a couple random like obviously if i have something to occupy myself like a book or something like that that would be better i you know i'd like to focus on that but if i'm just sitting there waiting for a bus or a train or i'm taking either somewhere i don't mind necessarily if some random person has a chat with me there's not usually too many situations where you don't, that doesn't spawn from a really awkward situation. But, you know, if they happen and it's good, it's good. Sometimes I've had awesome chats with bus drivers too. But there's been a couple of elderly people who like,

for whatever reason, they started talking to me, I guess because the old fashioned way, they'd like to talk to someone at the bus stop while they wait. And, you know, I entertain that. So I usually listen to what they have to say. A couple of times, really awesome conversations. I like walk away from that situation. I was like,

man, I feel so much wiser. Of course, probably the next day I forget what the hell they were talking about. But at the time it was like, you know, actually feel fulfilling conversation. I think you should not always be against a conversation with a stranger on a

bus or on a train. If it's sometimes it's worth it. Not always. Sometimes it's an absolute regrettable mistake, but don't always shy away worth it. Not always. Sometimes it's an absolutely regrettable mistake. But don't always shy away from it. Some of those conversations were pretty awesome. Speaking of books, have you read my book yet? Have you?

You haven't read it, have you? I read like a couple of chapters and then I just never touched it again. And I keep thinking, because I see it there with other books then I just never touched it again. And I was, I keep thinking, cause I see it there with other books that I'm supposed to read. And I was like, I should just give that back to Brody. Cause I'm, I want to read it,

but I just never do. Yeah. For context, I learned Sam a copy of 12 rules for life and he just hasn't read it yet. Yeah. I mean, the first part, I loved what I read.

When did I give that to you? A long time ago. Almost two years, I reckon. I think so. I should just give it back to you. I'd probably be better off. Because I'm going to be honest, I'm reading another book. I didn't even continue reading your book.

I just moved on to a different book. And it's not even that I didn't enjoy the book. I read what I read of that. I was like, that's awesome. I loved it. I just don't know why I moved on and never came back to it i keep seeing it as well it's like i should read that so you just have it in a place where you can even see it it's not like you put it yes i can see it right now that's just in this corner here with some other books like

fucking i've got hp lovecraft i don't even know if i want to read that like oh my fucking god interesting man's uh mind and then you know inspires a lot of fantasy And stuff nowadays, but I don't know if that reading that humongous Gargantuan amalgam of different stories is gonna be for me so instead I'm reading a bloody young adults book at the moment. I'm reading the how to train your dragon series. Oh, no, there's a I There's a miss I guess a missed childhood for me reading that book series. And to be honest, it holds up. As a young adult's book, probably designed for a young teenager and stuff like that. I have only read the first, but it took me like literally just a few hours to read the first book.

Didn't take long at all. And that's for someone who hasn't read it, you know, only just recently picked up reading after a while of not doing it. Wasn't hard at all. I think young adult books are actually pretty awesome even if you read them at an older age like some of them if they hold up there's humor that you find that you didn't you know encounter or probably wouldn't have encountered as you're younger and there's just i don't know a level of writing to it if it's a good author it's just gonna it's gonna be good for any age for sure yeah for me I've got discs right here.

Twelfth volume of Is It Wrong to Try to Pick Up Girls in a Dungeon. I watched the anime. It's really good. Season two, less so. Season three will be better, hopefully. Wasn't there, like, a season two that was, like, not about the main character and then there was an actual season two yeah there's a spin-off series um about the like the top guild yeah and then people said that wasn't in the main series but somehow is involved in stories that also happen in the main series they just added a new character in it and then just

it doesn't make any sense why she's there half the time. Yeah, and as far as I heard, the series is complete garbo. Didn't watch it. Yeah, a little bit. I mean, Jen Marchi, she's the easier name for it than having to say, is it wrong to try blah, blah, blah. I didn't mind it. It's good enough. I think it suffers a lot of issues.

Protagonist syndrome syndrome for example no one can fight this character unless they are the protagonist most of the time it doesn't get any better especially like okay so you have the first series where the first part of the series where you fucking have all of that stuff going on that happened in the anime then every time there's like a new big enemy like the main character is the only one who's doing anything about it because he's just so basically like his story is supposed to be like building up into being like the new hero so every time some terrible thing happens he has to be the one to save everything yeah except he's it's always like

oh i'm not strong enough but then like one episode later oh i'm strong enough cool cool cool he's become a bit less of a bitch now as well which is nice yes it took about 10 volumes for that to happen i mean i've only followed the anime so i wouldn't know i mean yeah i like and this is it's annoying because i actually like some of the side characters in that a lot more than i like the main characters to be honest like the blacksmith dude, I think he's awesome and that I forget her name, the samurai as well the lady samurai, I find those characters

far more interesting she's joined the main party now I find those characters way more interesting and even the other gods slash goddesses in that series, way more interesting than the main one, I've forgotten her name and the protagonist uh you're thinking of mikoto that's the samurai you're thinking of yeah um i don't know the protagonist and the main goddess and stuff they were not interesting characters to me they were irritating and every scene like it's just like oh

let like let the side characters be useful for fuck's sake yeah let them have like some time in the sun okay well at this point so the rest of bell's party they're all at level two he's at level four at this point so he's just infinitely stronger than them also we have a character now who can also do a level boost ability so yeah bell can also be made level 5 Superpower Ex Machina Pretty much yeah Also obviously his He's got an ability where he can just Charge up and attack and Basically just kill anything Like that happened in the first season as well Where he took out

The Black Goliath in one shot What was it called The hero something Argonaut Yeah yeah yeah what was it called like the hero hero something power argonaut yeah uh i hate that so much because that is the most stupid fucking protagonist x mark and a bullshit that's his character he is like his character is i am the hero yeah but there's other other anime series that have i am the hero and do it better one punch man has an op protagonist and it does it better sure one punch man is taking the piss most of the time i know but i still like the characters in that more than i do yeah well i love one punch man as well it's a great series

uh i haven't seen season two still i only watched this first season i've rewatched the first season enough times i know the animation drops well no i mean just yeah the animation and in general it's just not as good yeah please tell me moominrider has more time in the sun in season two he gets basically killed near the start which is good oh but it's like killed killed like dead no he just gets beat up because he's moominrider and is useless yeah i think honestly i think there is a hidden a hidden beauty in moominrider's character like from season one even though it was most for the most part to take the piss like if you remember the anime like the the fish king dude or whatever his name was seeking whatever

and and moominrider was like all it was left for like fighting that guy i think he represents a really awesomely written character because he is absolutely complete 100 useless but he is as a character and his story and and what he represents he is awesome and and lovable and and just fantastic he represents what a hero should be even though he has nothing that a hero should have yeah and so that's why i think moon rider honestly one of the best characters in that series best characters in like one of the best characters i've seen in an anime entirely even if he has this awesome speech about how you know it doesn't matter if he can't do anything and everyone's cheering on and then he just gets his you know shit kicked in i don't care

absolutely awesome character oh i completely agree yeah like he's there like a lot of the other heroes in that series are, obviously they're cool characters. Like Black Luster, for example, which is the greatest character. He's not had, yeah, I didn't see much of him in the first season. I mean, curious about what the hell he's about. Black Luster, do you remember who Black Luster was? He's the shiny black man, isn't he? Yeah, he's the shiny black man.

Yes. Oh, wait, let's see if I can bring up a picture of Black Luster that won't get me struck No, not Black Luster from Nerveo Yeah, I just got that too OPM Right, oh he's even more shiny than I remember Here, okay. Here we go. How do I switch over? this is black luster for anyone who hasn't seen uh his name okay so his full name is super alloy black luster or super alloy dark shine apparently

who is not supposed to be a racial stereotype at all oh my god but um like there are cool characters like that and obviously saitama's cool and genos is cool but i get the appeal of moobin rider is just there to be like he's the the real hero except he has no powers whatsoever he's yeah he's a real hero who isn't really a hero because he can't do what a hero needs to be able to do and you know even saitama there's so much i love about one punch man i keep looking over this direction because there's a poster on screen i don't i don't know if i want to turn to this this side of my room because that's where all the garbage is kept well it's a bit messy over

there with what i see so i can't shut up don't worry about it okay i know i didn't make much of an effort to hide anything because i don't honestly care too much but it's even worse in further in that corner sure yeah you don't want to see it but yeah you're good um anyway one punch man the character in that like i don't know it's so weird because it is a completely the anime is entirely designed to be a piss take as far as i'm aware but then the characters in that are better written than you find in a lot of actual anime which is so you know it for a parody on what's wrong with anime i almost i would go as far to say it does things better than what other anime does without trying to you know the characters are awesome and the side characters get time in the sun even if they're not useful but they actually

you know are important and they do stuff and you get to see what they're doing it's not all just like you know it's why i think saitama is the superman that superman should be because saitama is ridiculously overpowered just like superman but he's interesting i don't give a shit about superman because it's literally just like i am invincible oh green rock sure well the thing is with superman he's also as strong as they need him to be like sometimes like it's established from the start that saitama is effectively a god like no one can kill saitama superman he gets he gets beaten by fucking green rocks he gets beaten by just random things that don't make any sense. And then other times he can turn back time.

Yeah. And it's just, to me, it's garbage. I'm sure if enough people were to watch this, they'd probably be very upset in that statement. But Superman is garbage. I don't care. Superman is Garbo. Any other character from like the Western superhero stuff,

like DC Marvel, I think any other character could be more Western superhero stuff like DC Marvel I think any other character could be more interesting than fucking Superman what's interesting about a character who more or less is just perfect in every way I can't do anything wrong until they do like they're in an interesting spin-off when he becomes a bad guy but you know baseline Superman original Superman just involved invulnerable and less of green rocks in the way that's not interesting you got Saitama he's super powerful invulnerable but he's a dumb fuck yeah and then he'll like play some video games with the dude who's supposed to

be the strongest hero and yeah always loses and it's just yeah i mean he's seen that yes in season two um i know i know a bit about what happens in like the top hero is actually like not the top hero he he just happens to be in like like, a good situation all the time. Is this that lion guy? I can't remember what his name is. But basically what happens is there's always some other hero who defeats the creature or, like, a meteor will kill it and everyone always thinks that he's the one who's done it.

And he's always just, like like pissing himself whenever a villain yeah yeah i remember i remember reading about it oh what's this i've got his image here and i can't get his name up god damn it um but yes i know the guy you're talking about king king that's his name yeah i remember reading about his character because i was interested about like these characters i really really loved one punch man season one so i wanted to know what i could about these characters and like looking at him i was so amazed by this character design because his whole thing is that the only thing that he has going for him is that he has a really intimidating sounding heartbeat that everyone can hear right but it's actually he is like he is super anxious he's easily terrified and he just has a really

intense face when he's terrified and that's all he has going for him. He and everyone, it's either something else gets in the way to save him, his skin, or people don't even want to fight him because they hear about all these rumors about how he's the top hero. He's, you know,

indestructible and they hear the heartbeat, which is apparently what is it like rumored to be like what he, his heartbeat before he kills someone. Yeah. And so they just run away or something like that. This is what I read about him. I was like, this is phenomenal character writing because again he's like moominrider he's useless all of the characters in one punch are absolutely amazing even the ones

who are just stupidly op and uh something about this series and pretty pretty princess yeah then you have ones that just take the piss completely disturbing character but then you can actually go to another series that does do the hero stuff without taking the piss and does it well with our broken hero i do appreciate the characters in that because they all like and obviously you still have deeku Ex Machina, but he's not, it's taken a while for him to get to be Deku Ex Machina anyway. Have you seen the new movie? I have. Yeah.

You mean the new movie where with the stuff that happened with Barker Go? You know what I'm talking about at the end of the movie? Or are we talking about the old one? No, no, no. I haven't seen the old one okay i've only seen the new movie the new one where boku no hero spoilers coming up right now wait hang on let me do some voice acting here alert alert spoilers ahead for boku no hero movie that sort of thing where bakugou gets fucking one for all yeah but doesn't yeah and then they just fucking they've ruined the series so they just uh they just retcon at the end of the movie uh yeah he doesn't but he also doesn't remember it i mean like i guess if if uh one for all is is a conscious power maybe

it could make some it's only little you know it's only little adjustments like that like take it away from bakuga but it was a bit it was a bit silly do you know what that movie was supposed to be the end of uh the original like planned series right yep glad that didn't happen yeah the series was getting canned and then the it started picking back up again and that was gonna be the end it would have been such a bad end that see the thing is it was cool it didn't make any sense though yeah i actually really liked a lot of that movie because you got to appreciate a lot of like the other characters like yeah I think every character except maybe the invisible girl Got to do like got like some some minutes on screen doing some badass shit. I was like, yeah, awesome

Maybe this is just like a habit of mine, but I was more interested in the characters like what's his name? Toki army the birdman or more interested in the characters like um what's his name tokoyami the bird man or um kirishima is that the the hard heart like hardened guy yeah people like that more interesting characters like him and and yeah those people then i am in deku or bakuga bakuga bakugo well yeah i forget that name so quickly de and Bakugou are kind of like the Naruto and Sasuke of this series yeah of course and yeah

I like their characters because there's a bit more depth than the standard ones of those sort of style at times but I still hate I liked Deku more when he was just shattering himself every time he fought and like didn't really win that often he's gonna get more op in the next season um yes i got a bit of a

spoiler about that do you know about the abilities he's gonna get or what do you what'd you get spoiled on i just know that he's gonna start getting like more quirks basically yeah okay so the thing is the way it works basically is even though all might never work this out himself even though he used one for all for years apparently um when someone uses one for all they get a portion of the quirks that people had before them yeah so one for all's teacher had a quirk called black whip or something like that or maybe that was the person before that so someone had black whip and then deku gets the ability to like create these whips that he can like tie people up with uh then the person before that also has a quirk that he eventually ends up being

able to use yes so it's just gonna become a bit more op protagonist with time probably yeah well we don't know about we know about the first owner of one for all and then we know about like the teacher of all might and then the person before that and there's a little gap in there and now people are fucking doing some weird i okay i hate the internet because there's two characters in there that one looks like bakugou one looks like kirishima like older versions of them so some people think that now Boku no Hero is a fucking time loop. Oh god. It's just like a Boku no Hero time loop theory or something. Hmm. Wait, who was the other one? You said Bakugou and...

I think it's Bakugou and Kirishima. How do you spell this one again? Uh, Kirishima. Kirishima, this one again? Uh, Kirishima. Kirishima, yeah, yeah, yeah. See if I can find it. I probably won't be able to find it now. Yeah, I found a picture of it. It's so dumb.

I'm seeing things I don't want to see, goddammit. Here we go. I'll send you a link. No, I don't want to go to Reddit. Open image in new tab. Please tell me this isn't going to be what they do, though. Surely not. I hope not.

I think this is just Tumblr running with stuff. It would be so garbage. Oh, it would be, yeah. It's like, oh, it's a time loop, because he has a gear, and this dude has a gear, and the head looks spiky, and he has a gun in his hand I mean I can kind of see the the one that looks like buck ago sure I can see that the one just after that

no no it's just like I have a gear why do people ruin things time loop theory apparently please no just no I don't want it yeah I don't want it either so I mean

yeah anime man anime it's fun isn't it yeah I'm just starting to think about like Rising of the Shield Hero I don't know why it just came into my'm just starting to think about like rising of the shield hero i don't know why it just came into my head and i was thinking about like that's in a lot of ways an awesome series in so many ways garbage garbage oh look at it there it is volume 13 after rough talia and all that go to uh rough talia's homeland where they wear um kimonos yeah kimonos and rough talia has to

wear a miko dress because of course she does right yeah that one i mean i liked a lot of things when i watched that i watched that with my friend cake um uh from malaysia and we watched that and we enjoyed a lot of it then things like you know It's just that that standard like I don't know why it has to be like anime and harem and stuff like that Also things other care like if the only way sometimes that a Creator of an anime can make a protagonist complex in their superpowers if it makes makes them go angry Mm-hmm. Yeah, you get that issue with uh the main character of that and i because anger sounds cool yeah it's like no i can access my power but i get angry and only my friends can stop me like i get it anyway i haven't seen it in a long time but i haven't i don't watch

that much anime to to see it i suppose so it probably exists but you know all the same just it's mostly the harem thing i hate that so much why does every character have to love the protagonist it's an in isekai i love it it's great i hate it so much it's it's isekai in general i hate isekai but and then i find series that i like that are also isekai it's like a love-hate relationship and I read zero awesomely written but still like ah it's it's not immune to like female characters liking the protagonist just because no I do have a really good isekai series let's see if I can reach it this one isn't a harem uh you probably can't hear me too well right now I can hear you fine. Okay.

Let's get an earlier volume, it has a better picture. I did not expect to be talking about retail and anime today. That's fine, it works. This is... Kumo desu ka? Nu ka? nanika? summer spiders is this kind of like reincarnated as a slime or something? but

really like even better yes reincarnated as a slime is a series that you can watch this is also a really good series this is

that's volume 7 it gets weird after a while was it getting an anime or something? because I think I would have heard of it yes it is

yeah that would be why. No, this series gets really weird. So initially, basically what happens is the main character, this girl up here, this little spider, she gets basically reincarnated.

So at the start of the series, all of her class is basically transported to another world it's typical start to an isekai most of them get transported into like the human kingdom and she is the one who get one of the one of the two who gets transported into the dungeon the other one gets taken out of the dungeon after a while she stays in the dungeon doesn't know the rest of her class is alive basically um and she just has to live in the dungeon and being a spider she's one of the i think the weakest creature in the dungeon

so she has to try to like work out how to get stronger as the series goes on and like slime eating her like her like enemies makes her stronger yeah and over time she just builds up strength and after a while she forgets about the fact she was ever human and she's like i'm a fucking spider now i i'm eventually she goes to the surface and there's like a war of people going on and she's like i'm just gonna kill all of you because you're good experience points oh okay yeah and yeah she just doesn't give a crap anymore because by that point um there's literally one character two characters who's are remotely stronger than her and that's the demon

lord and also like this is a fucking demon lord but yeah there's a demon lord and also like the uh the main antagonist who has stuff that doesn't make sense to this world because the secret of this world is the fact that this is a bit of a spoiler for this series. Um, the fantasy, spoiler alert. So the, uh,

the fantasy stuff, basically this is actually a post-apocalyptic world. So there's tech from the old world and the elves lived long enough to bring back some of that tech so some of the elves will have like tanks and stuff and like cyborgs and shit and then the all of the fantasy stuff it's all like a simulation and it early on the series is just like all in the dungeon you don't even know about this stuff as it goes on they just start taking the piss and it gets really dumb.

It's like that, um... But it's not a- it's not a harem or anything, the main character's female. Yeah, okay. That's good, at least. There's, like, one male in the main party, and he's, like, the caretaker of one of the people. Oh... And... Yeah, basically, it's a really good series. I would really recommend it to anyone. It's fucking stupid.

I don't read manga. So if an anime comes out, I'll maybe give it a shot. It'll be coming out eventually. It had an anime trailer. Yeah. I was going to say, if you're talking about anime and no longer giving a fuck, I remember hearing that, you know, Yu-Gi-Oh, famous for its dubs and everything like that, obviously. I heard from a friend yesterday, actually, we were talking about Yu-Gi-Oh GX,

and that eventually the English dub people stopped following the script entirely. Yu-Gi-Oh GX, Generation X, game on, get your game on! Come on, you gotta play your cards right! I used to watch that as a kid. It's so good, I love it! I just saw something about, what is it? What was it called? Some elephant thing. GX is objectively the best opening for a yugioh series ever yes the

first series was great i'm not arguing the first series wasn't great but go listen to the english version of the gx opening and tell me isn't the greatest thing ever made second only to the german naruto opening which we also got in australia how about i don't know if this would be something that you can't show on your stream or not. What are we saying? Probably can't show it. The greatest monster in the Yu-Gi-Oh! series, Crystal Beef Arnold Mammoth.

Crystal Beef Arnold Mammoth? No! What the fuck is that? So you can't show it, I'm guessing. I don't know. Is there audio? Yes. Probably shouldn't.

Okay. I can show a picture of a crystal beef armored mammoth. So, this is a thing I heard. This is where my friend was telling me about how Yu-Gi-Oh! GX, the English dub, just stopped carrying it. They didn't even follow the script anymore this thing speaks and it speaks in an arnold schwarzenegger impression in the english dub and he just does things like you know he'll stop something's like channeling a lightning attack in that video and like the attack's coming towards him and he's like ah

save me jimmy him and he's like ah save me jimmy why yeah what what yeah just it sent me down a little bit of rabbit hole just gx weird dub shit like oh god i never actually finished gx but i know that like towards the end of the series and i, and I don't intend to. I think Jaden Yuki ended up... I think he had a duel with Yugi. Oh, really? Yeah, I don't know how that worked. I don't think he was going to be around. I don't know how it worked.

Apparently, that's something that happened. He got beat, obviously, because he's the king of games. Wait. Yu-Gi-Oh! lost? Yu-Gi-Oh! lost? Yu-Gi-Oh! is my favorite character. Yu-Gi-Oh! cut me. Yu-Gi-Oh! lost? Yu-Gi-Oh! Yu-Gi-Oh! lost? Yu-Gi-Oh! is my favourite character? Sorry, Yu-Gi-Oh! Yu-Gi-Oh! cut me. Yu-Gi-Oh! lost the moment it existed. No, Yu-Gi-Oh! lost when it became, um, Zexal. Yu-Gi-Oh! Surely you know what Yu-Gi-Oh! Zexal is? No, I did not believe

I think Zexal is the one where they start playing in VR uh sorry it's pronounced zeal even though it's spelt with an X in it so where's the description in a city in the near future

Heartland City after the events of the 5D series oh it's after 5ds kids and adults enjoy augmented reality duels augmented reality duels duels that use dual gazes and d-pads d-pads which when i which when the two are used together whether on the ground or in the sky cause monsters to erupt the buildings the hero is yuma sukumo at a beginner level is a champion at absolutely losing oh lord a champion of losing champion of losing this is oh lord the art just it got worse like there's

a thing that's special about the uh the yugioh art and they just overdid it at some point. At some point, are you sure they overdid it with Yu-Gi-Oh? You know, didn't do that from the get-go with the finger guns and everything? At least the English dub. Finger guns? You don't know about the finger guns? No. Okay, English dub for the original Yu-Gi-Oh! series.

There's a scene very early on where Kai was, like, on pegasus island or whatever when everyone's doing their initial thing i don't remember the series too well um and these pegasus agents like kick down the door to his building and they're supposed to in the japanese version have guns but instead you know there's these sunglasses like men of black agents who are like there's nowhere to go kaiba and they point their guns like this because i don't know what is it Funimation or whatever no it wasn't Funimation it was 4 kids yeah Kaiba starts making his

getaway and like jumps off a fucking cliff or whatever and they're like he's getting away no I don't know about this one oh you have to look it up at some point it's it's we're on a show right now where i can do that that's true i think if you just look up yugioh finger guns you can probably find it finger finger guns yep four kids who did it here we go oh that's that's amazing open a new tab am I- they're just pointing at him. They're not even like holding finger guns, it's just pointing at him. Yeah, but look if you see the original like what it's supposed to look like. Yeah, it's a side by side.

You have to just grossly paste it in a finger. That's amazing. Oh, there's another scene of it as well. Hey? There's another scene where it happens. Uh, I'll send you a link of this one. This is with our Pegasus. No! Yeah man, you're gonna get the fucking finger! I love this. Why is...

I could never go back and watch these series. I tried a couple times, I can't bring myself to do it anymore. It ruins my childhood. Well I'm watching the uh, when I was watching some anime, I haven't done that in a good while, since the start of semester. I was watching through Naruto. Yeah. I was watching it in japanese because much better man filler in that series i don't naruto is still going isn't it yeah now it's in aborito and uh the reason i started watching is because crunchyroll started posting clips online and um

the arc at the time was real weird i don't know what happened i guess i think sasuke can send people back in time now or something because boruto was training with kid naruto why because they wanted i don't know they ran out of content i guess so boruto and kid naruto were training and Yeah, it was fucking weird. And, like, Boruto was meeting his mum, and, like, meeting everyone when they were kids. It didn't make any sense whatsoever. Yeah, well, it's almost like they've milked a series

for, like, thousands of episodes. Almost. Somehow One Piece still manages to keep going, though. Yeah, I can't get into it. i can't get into it i won't get into it the thing about one piece the i don't get the people who love it because there's some arcs phenomenal some of which are the greatest things i've ever seen and then other arcs where you're like i want this to end right now. Like the arc where... It's just, yeah, a bit of a garbage something.

Yeah. The arc where Luffy met his brother. Greatest arc in the entire series, no doubt. And then there's other arcs where it's just like, oh, like there's one where they go to like a sky island or something. And it's just fucking boring. Is this something with like a god person or some shit like that some guy who thinks he's a god yeah he's he ate like a

electric fruit or something and now he has lightning powers right i remember that being on like cartoon network or something and yeah it was terrible i couldn't stand it i wanted more interesting things to happen yep that's when i was way younger as well well the anime is even worse about it because the anime is actually pretty slow at adapting yeah it's fine with something like boku no hero boku no hero is interesting most of the time but when you slowly adapt one piece it's just like there are chapters and chapters where nothing happens and that'll be multiple episodes

yeah and like what is it the writer says he has a an end in sight or something that doesn't he like the creator of one place i've heard that where it's at now is roughly halfway through yeah that's not a good sign no i don't think no definitely you know you know i'm gonna i'm gonna just throw out my favorite anime of all time because as a credit piece i think a really good link for an anime if it's going to be a long one 64 episodes and i say that because my favorite anime of all time is 64 episodes it is formal alchemist brotherhood and it will forever be my my favorite anime that i've watched or ever re-watched brotherhood is really good i feel like that's one of those series that people didn't oversell like people say like cowboy bebop great

series i'm like yeah it's good but it's not like that great it's okay but brotherhood really holds up brotherhoods is like an actual like full-on work of art like it i the start is hard to get into i know that because i've watched re-watched it with people and i you know when and when I watched it as a kid I was like the first starting bit I was curious and I was interested but it wasn't super drawing in. But once you get past it, it's about the point where you get to a certain dog. It's about after that point where everything you're just like I think it's fine to spoil Brotherhood at this point. Okay, true. But you know if people know about anime they know about the dog

sure yeah if you don't you've probably seen the memes yeah i mean it's interesting just before that point and there's a lot of cool things that happen but that's really where things just start like you know it just gets what i find amazing about brotherhood is that it expands and it expands and expands and expands keeps getting wider and wider and you can't imagine there's any way that it could just bring it all together. And then it's just like, oh, hey, by the way, all together, end of the series. And you're like, what just happened? Yeah, you, like, it's a relatively short series compared to some other stuff, but you see how much the characters grow over time.

Like, even with... Oh, I hated him at the beginning. He's so annoying. Even with, like, go with one of the antagonists with um what's his name scar you're gonna have to describe him and i'll know scar yeah red eye yeah red eye edgy hand yeah like at the start he's like fucking i am evil because i don't actually know what really happened and then he finds out what actually happened to his people and it's like oh shit I've been wrong this entire time I guess like I should help you now yeah he's a hate-filled character but he what's good about him as a hateful character is you get hate-filled characters in series and they'll always just be like I don't care kill them all and then you know that's usually like a standard sort of like halfway

antagonist who isn't the main antagonist but he'll be the main antagonist for half the series usually they're like the neutral ambivalent character that's where either swaps over or dies earlier at some point scar's a really good one because he is a super hate fuel character usually those ones don't change sides and stuff like that but he has so much to his story and everything so much to his character that even though he still has a lot of hate for people and stuff like that, he switches sides and he cooperates because he's just awesome. I haven't got much to explain why. There's scenes in that series where I'm just like,

even years after watching it, I still remember those scenes. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Like the one that's popping into my mind right now is when uh roy loses his sight oh god man when i first watched that as like and i was a kid i was like so sad as well it's like just like losing something like that you know not it's completely against your choice you had to do it you were forced to do it and then you suffer a price anyway and it takes away something that you've had your whole life the concept of losing your sight in general is terrifying to me but with someone like that where his entire ability was based on he could see where the target was yeah and suddenly he can't do

anything well he can yeah he's got an amazing partner it's so cool yeah he trusts his partner so much that he'll use a power as dangerous as just like fucking instantly burning it at a command yeah he are so many awesome characters in that series i mean this is why i you know i think brotherhood it will still always be either in my heart it'll always be the best but you know if some people disagree so i'll just say one of the best anime series you'll ever get because it fulfills so many things story writing this like if there are any plot holes they're not very big or it's just things that you don't need to worry about because it's not relevant to the main characters and it's like you know the protagonists are there and they're obviously a central part of

it but there's so much more happening with all the other characters and as you know i keep pandering about side characters brotherhood makes every character important in some way and it's so fucking good roy mustang is like you know he's he's just like the mentor character more or less and he you know he gets tossed out the window when he loses his sight and then even at the end you get to see him pull some pretty badass stuff thanks to a character who is more or less has the whole time being powerless compared to alchemists and things like that she's just really good at the guns but she's you know always stood by her side and is an awesome character and is very independent in what she does and everything she's badass and yet she would toss aside that and just help

you know keep Roy in the fight and everything ah i love brotherhood so much yeah it's great it's not my favorite series that goes to hunter hunter 2011 and there's been other series brotherhood's not even on my top 10 anymore because there's other stuff where it's just like pushed it down like um hunter hunter 2011 the monogatari series um higurashi things like that they are all amazing and they're all amazing in different ways like i think i think your lion april's on my top 10 list now that's also I know what happens in it anyway so it's kind of hard to watch it yeah I watched it when it aired and I yeah I was expecting

her to recover and then like nope she's dead now like oh well that's cool yeah I can imagine like I still think if I watched i'd probably get hit pretty hard by that oh good series parasite the maxim parasite is also really good parasite's good it's in a way different way yeah i mean it's so the concept is so weird in the way that you know that the parasites work is weird as shit and it looks goofy to start off with as well goofy and creepy in the same time and when it addresses serious topics and stuff like that and then yeah for me it had me like really interested in the concepts of morality being presented in a fucking anime about a wiggly

hand yep you know like what needs to be human because wiggly hand there was some stuff cut out of the anime that would have been interesting um i can't remember i can't remember exactly what the scene was but there's something early on that was cut um that i think his hand penis yeah hand penis you're not talking about that are you actually talking about that yeah hand penis early on a lot of it was kind of like getting used to this weird change. Yes. Then the second arc was... Fuck, the second arc was insane. Yeah, there's so much to really say about that.

Like, oh, my God. And you're not even prepared for when it really, like, just all goes down. Like, when it all goes down, it all goes down fucking hard, and you're just like, what's going on? Stop this. Oh, shit. down like when it all goes down it all goes down fucking hard and you're just like what's going on stop this oh shit like um and then it all got just this fucking insane opening okay do you remember the opening but for the parasite if i uh i think it was maximum the hormone that did it sorry i think maximum the hormone was the Hormone that did it Sorry?

I think Maximum the Hormone was the band who did that song Yeah They also did the, if you've seen it Have you seen Resurrection F? One of the Dragon Ball movies? Okay, they did Frieza's theme song in that as well And it was fucking stupid Oh, okay

If it's anything like the Parasite opening Then I can imagine why it would be weird as shit basically it's screaming not screaming yeah pretty much the chorus was fraser fraser fraser and then the rest of the song was about um uh was just singing about murdering people yeah there's nothing of substance it was just fraser freezer freezer murder murder murder murder dude dragon ball and dragon ball z i grew up with that shit i loved it so much but you know even though dragon ball z suffered from the terrible bloody let's have a whole 20 minutes of 20 minutes do you know how long the freezer fight was? Hey, no, I'm talking about just like when you... They have episodes dedicated to just the character charging up.

Sure, yeah. Please get it over with. So the freezer fight... The full... The full freezer fight... Are we talking about the whole fight with every character or the fight with just Goku and, like, Freeza? I think the whole freezer fight.

Yeah. Full freezer fight. I think think let's see how much it was freezer fight um it's not 56 minutes it's longer than that hour and 24 no it's long it's longer than that surely i would believe that it was just like yeah sorry no it's four hours long that's more like it yeah and that if you assume a standard like 20 minute long episode that's going to be three six twelve episodes just for that you can cut it down by cutting out like the um the like last time on dragon ball z next exciting episode of dragon ball z that sort of thing yeah naruto suffers just as much from that like at the start like there are some episodes early on in naruto with the first like 10 minutes of recapping last week like can you not look i gotta give criticism to uh boku no hero as well they did

that a lot especially in the earlier season so many flashbacks the same thing yeah oh i was so sick of it at a point the number of times that like there was flashbacks to that one scene where he's like in front of a tiny you know scrawny all my he's like you can be here i was like fucking stop we get it with um uh you say run in the background it happened in all sorts of places and it's like i think i'm pretty sure it happened multiple times in some episodes i didn't need to say it that many times stop it but you have to be right you have to hear you say run or jet set Run, whichever song it is. They're the same song, basically. Yeah, there's two versions of it.

There's actually ten versions of it. They're just used in different parts of the series. I'm pretty sure those My Hero Academia songs got a lot of different versions of themselves. It's just as bad as SEO with Swordland. Every opportunity SEO gets... Yeah.

Right, never watched it oh okay refused okay there's one track every time there's a serious scene it's some version of Swordland originally it was like

orchestral then it becomes a rock track and then it just changes every series but they keep bringing back the exact same song yeah I mean

look if it's a theme song and it's iconic cool I mean you can do it attack on Titan did it too yeah and versions if you if you're actually sitting like genuinely there's ten versions that's a lot of different really at least yeah I I think good enough is maybe with like each season you have a slight rendition of it and maybe if there's ten season sort out online I can understand that I guess but it's especially good when you have an iconic theme um and then if you're going to have some climactic thing or something really sad happen you have that same theme but in a certain

key different instruments and stuff like that make it depressing as fuck but it's the same song that can affect people pretty hard especially on like the end of a series it's really good thinking of series that are really good are you caught up on attack on titan uh the anime yes yes not the manga yeah i haven't read the manga i know what happens good. Thinking of series that are really good, are you caught up on Attack on Titan? The anime, yes. Not the manga. Yeah, I haven't read the manga. I know what happens. It gets fucking weird in the next season. Yeah. I spoiled a few things.

I don't know if you've seen this specific picture, but there's one picture where Eren picks up a boat. I was hearing a finder. Yeah. Because in the next season, they're going to start seeing people from outside of Titan land. Yeah. No, it wasn't Aaron.

It was the owl. Are you talking about the person who like has the same Titan as him, but he's like, did it already happen? Did I just forget about the fact that it happened? Wait, no. That's his dad who picked up a boat. Sorry. And here's a different one. There's a scene in season three where someone picks up a boat. It's the owl. Yeah, that's his dad who picks up a boat there.

No, it's not his dad. It's the guy before his dad. Who the fuck? The owl. Yeah, whatever. I don't remember. I don't want to see Tumblr. Go away. That's not his dad, it's the guy before his dad. Who the fuck- The owl. Yeah, whatever, I don't remember. I don't wanna see Tumblr, go away. Is it this thing of some, like, titanic vessel looking thing? Uh, I found the picture.

Open image in new tab. Okay, that's- that's a really small picture. I'm curious. And I'm gonna bring it up on the screen, there we go. That's a really small picture. I'm curious. And I'm going to bring it up on the screen. There we go. What I'm seeing right now, I think I know exactly what you're talking about.

Ah, yes, it is. This Titanic-looking ship. Yeah. Yeah, so what about this? I don't know what the fuck is going on in this series at this point. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know there's like modern day stuff from like the flashbacks and everything the big bloody exposition arc oh wait no that was a different one sorry there's a better picture of it um

it's the one where it's they're on the fucking titanic looking ship and there's roman soldiers on it what look at it like these are not modern looking soldiers what is going on and they're like a devil devil this is fantastic this is how fucking dumb attack on titan is i don't look roman at least from those scenes when i first saw what they did maybe maybe a bit less so they're not like fabric clothing and like some helmets and stuff but it's not the same area as what you'd expect to see from that titanic thing i don't think no it's it doesn't make any sense i'm curious like doesn't aaron become bad or something i don't know i don't know he's like getting edgier or some shit well he's dying in like two years good i don't like his character i think well there's a time skip the i think it's like three or four years i don't

remember but the next season's starting with a time skip to think it's like three or four years I don't remember but the next season starting with a time skip to when Eren's like a bit older like just before he dies and I guess people from outside of Titan Land are coming in

okay let's see yeah I know about that I couldn't remember how long it's gonna be I knew there was a time skip and I'm curious

what it's gonna be like I'm also really curious about what Armin's gonna be like as a shift or whatever oh yeah you there well you'll find it um how did you feel about the really obvious symbolism when they went back in at the times the um the when they look back in time to when his dad was living in the concentration camp. Feel free to elaborate, but I think I know where you're going with this. Oh, the fact that they were obviously living in Nazi Germany. Yes, right.

And the Titan people are obviously supposed to be Jews. Like, it was the most obvious symbolism I've ever seen. I mean, unfortunately, we are influenced a lot by history, and it's pretty common to reference things like that. I think if they're going to go, like, you know, if they're bringing out this modern-day stuff and the Titan shifters or whatever, other people of that bloodline were oppressed,

then you're probably going to take a lot of inspiration from the most logical source, which is going to be Jewish people getting discriminated against in nazi germany or black people in old america still kind of modern america you could argue the thing that was weird for me was this like backstory came out of fucking nowhere so like they're all living in weird titan land and now oh it turns out they're actually all yeah i honestly i'd have been more into attack on titan if they actually were more or less the last like living people on earth besides this strange outer culture yeah the entire series is sort of like the it's sort of like a zombie series for a while

and then all of a sudden like nope not anymore it's an interesting zombie series though because zombies don't have to find excuses to be powerful because they're gigantic. Sure, but, like, it's the same sort of formula as a zombie series. Yeah, it is. You lose characters to them being eaten helplessly. Except they don't... I was going to say they don't turn into titans,

but that's not true anymore. Yeah, no. Imagine having a zombie series where someone's power is to turn into a zombie. Like, what the fuck would be the point of that? It's like, oh, I'm slower. And it's like... When we found out that, like, everyone's a titan, just, like, what is happening at this point?

Well, not everyone's a titan. Everyone can turn into a titan. For every tit Titan person. There's, yeah, I saw some spoilers about how that all works. Um, cause I was really confused. You know like how the Beast Titans, it just seems like fucking Titans can appear out of nowhere for him. Sure. Sometimes, like, you know, like, um, when Erwin and all that were cornered in season 3. SHINDO SASAGEYO! And he was ballistic firing them with a scrunched up rocket and everything. Which is an awesome scene, by the way.

But you saw that scene, literally there's a series of lightning bolts and suddenly there's all these Titans out of nowhere just there. And I was like, what the fuck, how's he doing this? And I just decided to spoil it for myself. Interesting how they do it. And it's kind of legit. I don't know how they did it with that point in time but like how he he will do similar things um in in later in the series um there's an explanation to it and it's fucked it's totally fucked but it's awesome i know like just whatever his name is what's the

name of the beast titan guys zeke? Yeah. You know the guy. Yeah, I know who he is. Yeah, he's just like full on just committing crimes against humanity by this point. The stuff that you'll see him do. I have my suspicions judging by what you're saying.

Yeah. It's just... I don't want to say it because yeah again like spoilers you know it's because it's it'll be fucking sick to find it out but it's i tend to spoil myself on these series like oh i'll see something cool like hey this is cool let's find something out about that you know what i was so mad there's a spoiler i didn't want and this is when season two was the only like latest season out and it was about um what's his name hans the uh the guy who who watched like mikasa and uh armin and erin as kids blonde dude i loved his character because he's like a drunkard soldier dude but he like you know you know, he had heart and stuff. And the one moment you get to see him start doing stuff and he's like, oh, there he goes.

Gets eaten. He's like, fuck me. And it was by the same Titan as well. Like, ah. It could have been such a cool scene. And then I just felt such a slap in the face. But I learned about it as a spoiler and I learned that he died and I saw this like the manga version of it. I was so mad because I was like, when I see this in the the anime version i already know what's going to happen it's just going to

feel worse and it did because you have this whole scene where it's like it's feeling hopeful it's like oh yay then i just like no go on just get it over with just just do it hurt me god that it's a good series For sure I hate good character deaths Would you rather have Bad character deaths Yeah Get rid of Eren No I mean like

Killing off a character Badly Hey I mean like Killing off a character Badly Ah Like that

Sniffer dog guy He dies And no one knows What happens to him Sniffer dog guy Um The dies and no one knows what happens to him. Sniffer dog guy? The guy who's, I forget his name, like, Owen's right hand besides Levi.

He has, like, a really keen sense of smell. Oh, I think so. He literally dies with no one, no one ever finds out about it. At least as far as I'm aware, no one will ever find out about it. He just gets mauled. Like, that sucks that's a bad death yeah which i guess no surprise that bloody uh attack on titan did that to a character it's just like game in that series like for no reason hey people just die randomly it hasn't

been as bad lately because most people are just chilling yeah but i'm sure it'll get worse oh yeah because well next next season it's like they're going to war against the titans yeah and against the the non-titan people we don't have too many characters left though that like we can go to like non-titan land and they can all die okay we can like yeah just send them to america or something just aaron just like starts going through new york or something like that yeah but i mean i mean like you know original characters from like their training group how many are left they've got like mikasa armin aaron connie sasha uh i guess technically annie re Yeah, Historia who's Yeah But they're like

Oh, and Short as well Well, okay, at this point Armin can't die Because he's all of a sudden got the Colossal Titan powers Titan powers So he's good for now Yeah Eren probably dies when the series ends

Because that's how you'd end a series like this. Please end him. Please let him die. He's probably gonna die in the last chapter or something, I don't know. Please let it happen. Do you not like- I wanna die. Do you not like Eren? No, I don't like Eren.

Oh, look at that- The only time I've ever liked Eren was when he's just a titan, he shuts up. Look at that shot off my shirt. Eh? The shot off my shirt the shot of my shirt looks a bit funky oh god it looks like a Studio Dean animation

that's how it's supposed to look yeah and it shows all it takes is a slight fold for Studio Dean Dean finds a way

that's a meme I was exposed to after watching what was it one of the Fate Stay Night anime series the original Fate Stay Night I didn't watch

I watched the original a long time ago with my sister but I watched the Ultimate Blade Works I think it's called Unlimited Blade Works Jake was telling me

about the whole Dean Finds A Way thing and he showed me images and I was like oh my god my favourite thing about the original version of Fate stay night is semen dragon.

You cut up. Seen a dragon. Hey, semen dragon. What? So, okay. There's a,

you know, the face that night is a, uh, it's an arrow gay. So it's a, it's a porn visual novel. I didn't realize it was dedicated to porn but okay

I know that was weird shit and one of the ways you can transform mana is by fucking giving them your seed and they decide to keep the scene in but they change it a little bit and basically basically what ended up happening

was to as a metaphor for like for like finishing in her there's just like a dragon that flies through a really bad CG dragon yeah I don't remember the scene but I remember

I don't remember that happening in the scene but I remember the scene existed that's why I didn't want to get back and watch another Fate Stay Night series because like is that gonna happen again no it's so much better now I love the Blade works was pretty cool I liked it now you know you to watch you watch fake Khalid what fake fake fake Khalid fake Khalid minor prisma Ilya here we go we have bad CG dragon this is fucking Fate, Kaleid, Mina, Prisma, Illya.

Here we go. We have bad CG dragon. This is fucking ugly. This is the ugliest bit of CG I've ever seen. Dragon. CGI. Let's have a look at this. Oh my god.

And if you just look up Fate's Denied Dean CG dragon, you'll... the YouTube videos where it's obviously at the start of a sex scene. Yeah. But they don't show it like that. Or was it like, doesn't she say like, they have to be flustered? I don't know what- I don't know what's said. But... Yeah, semen is the best way to transform Ana in this series. For obvious reasons. And they all wrote this fucking series.

God, there's GIFs. Of bad CG dragon? Yeah. Yeah. Let's see if I can... Why? Is this going to load? We'll see. Oh. oh it's so bad i hate it oh my dog's watching it just give on repeat and then just yeah no that's great isn't it

there's so many things that go wrong in animated series that you just don't hear about or you don't remember i don't remember maybe i just erased my memory for my own sake fake khaled watch it ah spell it out for me and i'll look it up fate catalade khaled or khalid is it pronounced khaled or khalid i think that's that's about right. It's like a shortened down version of Kaleidoscope. And also spelt weirdly. I bet they're trying to... Yeah, that's why they say Prisma as well. Prismatic.

All right, so Fate Collide, maybe. The main character is Ilya, and it's a Magical Girl series. I'm not watching this. But eventually... I'm not watching this but eventually I'm not watching this but eventually you find out that the second main character her brother is like actually

unlimited blade work Shiro so Ilya's brother is main series Shiro and Miyu's brother is unlimited blade work Shiro And I know the blade work Shiro is way cooler. I Don't know this is why I don't want to get into fate stay night at all anymore Like after I remember blade works was enough because it's too much now if you want a good

Now unlimited blade works is good, but go watch the heavens feel movies when they come out your movies Aren't they already out? Our third one's not out yet. Oh, I see. First two were absolutely exceptional. I see, I see. God, I don't know. We'll see.

I'll think about it. Anyway, I think, considering we've been speaking about anime for the past hour, why don't you just say a bit about Unity you wanted to say? Because I'm curious about that. about that oh yeah you never got onto that did you no i was just like hey we're just talking about anime now uh this is supposed to be a tech podcast it's fine it doesn't matter uh yeah unity so when you're working with that game engine it's fine a lot of the time but but... You cut out again, for fuck's sake. It's not cutting out on my side, so it must be your connection or my connection.

I can see your mouth moving and I just stopped hearing. It's either my connection or your connection. Basically, when you're working with Unity, you'll try to change some settings, and there are other settings that might be dependent on those settings, and you can't just independently change them. So if you change, like, a transform height, for example, it might modify some other value. Right.

Even though... And it doesn't modify it when you press enter. It modifies it as you're typing. So you could make a mistake in the thing you're setting and then it will try to make the modification to the thing based on that setting you didn't want to set. But then if you try to undo the thing, Unity doesn't keep a proper undo log.

So you undo stuff and you can't actually undo to the same point you're at. You undid the stuff that you typed, but it doesn't undo the changes that were made by the typing. Okay. Well, I haven't encountered that issue before, thankfully, but I didn't know that was a thing. That's weird considering how widely used it is, because that feels like a glaring issue.

It does, yeah. But no one's fixed it. I'll tell you what. At least in the version that I'm using, it hasn't been fixed. It could just be the fact that I have to use an older version. As it stands, I want to learn 2D games first, and I'm going to just say it out loud. Unreal Engine is not built for 2D.

At least when I fiddled with it, hell no. You can do it, because 3D is just 2D without the Z-axis. Yeah, except in Unity, you'd actually make a 2D game using a Z-axis. Yeah, except in Unity, you'd actually make a 2D game using a Z-axis. It's pretty common. Sure, yeah. But I mean, you just don't do it with depth. It's just a 3D game without depth.

If you ever want to have a look at a really awesome guy who does game development in Unity and stuff like that, Thomas Brush, who's just come out with his new game. The sponsor for Thomas Brush, literally just like yesterday or the day before his game that he's been working on for 10 years um Never Song formerly Once Upon a Coma has come out and that game is phenomenal looking I really want to get into playing it but I've got things supposed to be doing this weekend um and it's named Research

Methods yeah and he he has some really awesome stuff on unity and making 2d games with unity he has so many tutorials and you know we did that i did that game concept thing with chris and kong and brody i didn't even do that much in fact i was mostly just the sound guy and bug fixing um which by the way bug fixing fuck nightmare considering you're looking at all these massive animation things i was trying to figure figure out Chris's animation logic for, sorry, AI logic and animation logic. I was like, what is this black magic? That sort of thing. Trying to bug fix that, wasn't happening.

No, it's fun, isn't it? Anything that we did with Unreal was just a headache. And then during the break of that same year, I went and fooled around Unity. I was just fooling around. No, it wasn't even on the break. It same year, I went and fooled around Unity. It's just fooling around. No, it wasn't even on the break. It was in another semester. No.

I was kind of doing a study date with a girl at the time. I wasn't paying much attention to the girl, so probably not why it didn't work out. Solz. I was full focused on this Unity tutorial. I mean, like, you know, I'd done a bit of it at home for like an hour or two, and then I did for an hour and two there was focused on the rest of it and then into like four hours I made a parallax you know a parallax thing so basically you got parallax is when you've got your front thing you know what your character standing on the platform and then say multiple layers of like progressively more faded cityscapes so like buildings and stuff like that and they're all they're behind so you know i'd say like this is gonna look bad um it's you know you got like your different layers so they're at distances and as you move along the screen they both move but they move at different speeds so

you know the further back and stuff the different moves it's a really awesome effect um in four hours i managed to make a stage that had that effect really well done and everything I didn't have any animations for my character I just had this gross dummy that I made in photoshop that was like but it was way better than anything we had made in that fucking Unreal Engine semester and it took me

four hours so I just can't say that Unreal Engine should be used for 2D, at least not how we were taught how to do it when we looked up resources on it. Yep, yep. It just broke. I haven't used Unreal myself.

Unity, it's probably fine if you're starting from a blank project. I think my biggest problem is the fact that I'm working with something that already exists. So I'm trying to... Oh, so you're doing a project, are you? Yeah. Yeah, Unity's not very good for showing you how stuff is connected. You can obviously say, like, where it's being used in the scene, but if you're not in the same scene, you can't do a search

across all of your scenes. Like, where is this file being used? There could be plugins. There could be. But at least with the version of unity i'm using not a thing you can do at least vanilla unity yeah um i they i already like before i even like got into unity like thomas was like here's some pretty much fundamental plugins that you should have because it like just adds some really awesome functionality for like cameras and stuff um it's like settings you can do for like a camera in 2d which is like orthographic and perspective but while perspective is what you would consciously think you'd use for parallax because perspective is where everything has depth He actually uses orthographic and makes a script for the parallax stuff

I couldn't remember how it worked right now because it was like a year and a half ago that I did it but It's just two different speed variables It's like it's pretty much just like a whole, yeah, it takes like XY movement on a variable based on what the Z axis position is. Yeah, you basically just normalize your movement speed and then multiply it by whatever the movement you want for the

parallax. Yeah, pretty much. And yeah, obviously if you did that at a base level you could have it so it's like a set value on how fast it moves just based on the distance but the way that this script provided was and plug in and how you could set up was basically you could do that whole thing and then you could set the actual

value for what an adjustment to the z-axis is so then it's you know dynamic how fast you can have the layers moving really really cool really awesome stuff that you can do in that for game making I really want to get further into it because I need to have probably a portfolio ready um yeah you're not getting into game development without a portfolio exactly and i you know i have a couple things i could show but

they're not enough i don't feel for what uh a friend of mine told told me because uh yeah a friend of hers when uh actually applied for this mighty kingdom thing that i'm gonna apply for um and he he has done software engineering stuff and it's actually for a software engineer apparently software engineers have a an advantage in game development when they get into it because of the way that we program is is i guess it's that extra step that we take into learning programming or something like that but if you take a game dev course in certain places like this is a friend in brisbane that should specify it seems that obviously you are you taught how to gain that and that's good because you know how to use unity but you are not taught a lot of

niche things to programming as just like using a language like c sharp or something like that sure i'm guessing that's where that the logic it applies i don't know you know don't quote me on that but that would be my my presumption on why software engineers get an advantage when you do a game dev course as well you also do art and you do a bit of other stuff as well like when you interact with art but you don't expect it to be able to make art yeah sorry you do like a bit of modeling bit of art as well but if you're just doing a software engineering course you're just doing the programming and you learn programming concepts. From what I hear about, you know, QUT University and places like that in Brisbane

where they do game dev courses, you don't learn how to make the models and stuff unless you do like minors in it, but you do, you are taught how to apply assets to, you know, your Unity game or your project or whatever. Sure. And it's not too hard to learn i don't think i haven't uh done too much in animation but applying an asset isn't hard yeah it's attaching it to a character and hitboxing it even not hard at all no not at all at least on the 2d level i'm sure 3d might have its uh edits yeah for sure um but yeah i mean, yeah.

That's just my understanding of what logically would be the explanation is that they learned a lot of very things. And I think it's important to know a variety of different things if you're going to get into a field. Because you know, my dream, I want to have my own game studio, independent studio, which would be my dream restoration, which is not an easy thing to do. This is something I would say probably something I could only achieve 10 years in the future. If I was lucky, maybe not.

Well, you know, you can start working now, do it next year, see what happens. It's harder to, you know, if you want to be the one running the game studio and stuff like that, and you'd have to be leading people, you'd have to be having people you can trust and work with, you need to know people and I think for being in a position of management or leading others while making a game or with anything I think it's important that you take the time to learn the basics of what other people are doing because I always find a leader or someone who's overseeing everything or someone who is mediating you know even like debates or arguments between coworkers and stuff.

It's always going to be better if you are the person who's taking the time to understand what each of these fields do, because otherwise you're going to have a jaded short sighted perception on what the actual tasks are. You know, it's like you see a greeter and your initial perception is he probably doesn't do anything or your perception is going to be, he has a lot to do because he's like a security guard,

but neither of those are particularly true either way it's all about understanding the baseline at the least of what people has to do and if you're not doing that how can you be a responsible leader who's going to know what the actual issue is that's my ted talk yeah i don't have anything to add to that that i don't disagree with any of that yeah yeah that's yeah it's kind of why like you know you gave me an introduction saying i am an artist as voice actor and stuff like that and i am not a professional artist i'm not a professional voice actor i like doing both of these things and i have a drive to do it both because i'm

passionate about them but also because i think if I'm gonna be making games, I need to understand what an artist has to do I need to understand what an animator does I need to understand how voice actors work because especially if I'm running my own studio and I'm gonna be like doing creative direction Which is what I want to do. I need to understand what these things how these work and so what I can expect from people When they're doing that Like yeah how these work and so what I can expect from people when they're doing their jobs. Like, you know, it's yeah. And there are people who are in leadership positions who don't do that and that's where you get a lot of strain. Either on your job where people expect you to do more than you can or they just aren't understanding what the issue is and they're just like,

just fix it, Lamal. Yeah, the big problem we see with upper management in the more complex positions is the people who've forgotten what it's actually like to be someone who's on the floor doing the work it's like uh someone who's in a dev position and their boss has forgotten what it's like to actually be a dev they just want it done it's like oh yeah you implement this thing that completely changes the entire scope of the projects like i could try you want to give us an extra six months? Yeah, exactly. Is that what you're going to do? It's like, no, can you do it by next week?

No. No, we can't. Yeah. And it's why you get a lot of issues in large game industry and stuff like that with the whole concept of crunch because people will set deadlines that are unreasonable to what everyone has to do for their work line. Game dev in a large industry, say like Blizzard or even CD Projekt Red with the upcoming cyberpunk 2077 they are admitting that they're you know they

didn't want their employees to go into crunch which is like you hear about that which is awesome but in the end it's happened anyway so it's that sucks um that they've had to do that to their employees because that's a thing with game dev a lot of the time you've got people who end up having to do way too many extra hours for their work and it like destroys them physically mentally you know their health is just shredded their lifestyle is ruined because they have to meet a deadline that's completely out of whack that sucks that's the big reason i don't want anything to do with game dev it's the crunch is just that obviously it's a thing with all industries but with game dev it's like it's such a different thing because like if say i don't know the new

version of firefox is out a couple of weeks later it's a bit different than we are developing a game it will be released on october 2nd and all the advertisement is October 2nd it will be released then and only then. And yeah it's this I mean there's a lot of reasons why I want to have my own game studio and make smaller games or like be a small studio because I don't know I don't like AAA games too much I like that they you know there's a lot that you can do with a AAA game but there's always problems with it like of course I feel like it loses sight of or like it loses its uh connection i would like rather be a mid-tier sort of one that you know a small studio can still do big projects because you can see some pretty amazing projects being done by small companies now

that's where i want to be and a focus from sorry i didn't mean to interrupt um i was going to say a focus for me would be trying to avoid things like just putting way too much pressure on the health of employees and things like that would be important to me i know it's something that would be difficult to establish and i don't deny that but it's something i'd like to try yeah and do well what i was going to say was um i was talking to one of my mates about um mascot platformers the other day he uh didn't know that tied the tasmanian tiger was a thing that existed, which is really sad for him, because that's an amazing game. Tell me you know what Tide Tasmanian Tiger is. Oh, fucky hell. Hang on, hang on. I'm terrible with names, remember. Spell this out for me. Tide, uh, so T-Y, the Tasmanian Tiger.

Oh, I've seen this. I never played it as a kid but i didn't know it existed okay well basically we were talking about mascot platformers so whatever it is at the time crash bandicoot spyro things like that doesn't matter what it is um yeah sonic the reason why those like all the triple a studios were making them at the time was because that was the thing that they knew would make money and that's why all the triple-a studios now are making things like i don't know fucking what are we doing now battle royales or we're making fps games or we're making whatever it is that the current trend is when you're when you're a triple-a studio you can't really take as many risks at least with you could in the past in the past because it was it was way cheaper to make a game now the like the cost that goes into make your triple-a level game is

Absolutely immense Yeah, because they they start going into some really like they have like, you know The same size of an indie dev team for a project is probably like a sub team on some aspect of like one field you know you're like you got your art team that's probably like the major head uh board and then you've got like your sub teams that handle the sub teams and it's like fuck so that's gonna be a you know that's yeah if you want to do something that's truly creative you have to do it indie because a big studio isn't gonna give you that opportunity yeah i mean there's this obviously there's good times that come out of big studios but i mean if you want to like no one's going to

pay for a mascot platformer in 2020 yeah you're right that the triple a studios take a big risk like they can't take big risks sorry um but they would take a big risk if they do something out there or they don't do like what gets them the most money because in the end yeah they're funding a ton of people but there are times you know where a triple a studio has done really awesome things and stuff like that i give credit to it however you often you know and that's when people start giving a reputation to a big studio and they start getting a lot more traction they become even bigger but then suddenly you start seeing things like um i just gave a good example blizzard i used to fucking love blizzard because i thought a lot of the stuff that they did was awesome things like that and they used to have a really good reputation

for their employees and then suddenly like they would you know everyone loved Blizzard and then give it a two years later everyone hates Blizzard Blizzard like hates their employees all that shit like that and all this stuff and it just gets worse and worse and then they start you know they sell their soul to Activision and then suddenly Activision Blizzard's a thing and oh my god it's getting worse. And now no one has much faith in Blizzard at all. At the moment, CD Projekt Red is the big standing one that everyone has faith in. I'm worried that it's just going to be the same thing again and again.

Yeah, well, I think the big thing with them is they actually are treating their devs properly. So hopefully they don't go that direction. Yeah. But we'll see. I mean, yeah, it's a weird thing. Here's this other thing that people, I feel like people on the internet, because, you know, people love to just be angry on the internet as well and stuff.

People don't want to accept the fact that there are good people working in AAA. Oh, sure. When people say AAA is this, AAA is that, they don't mean the devs on the floor. They don't mean the writers. What they mean is the, I guess, the culture that's built up around it, the structure that a AAA studio enforces.

Like, no one's saying Joe Schmoe, who's developing this feature in whatever Call of Duty game, is the problem. Yeah. It's my light day. I think it might be. There was an interesting person. Do you ever watch Freddy W or like Corridor Digital sort of stuff?

I think it is. The names don't ring a bell. You would have seen their videos in the past. Corridor Digital did a bunch of like anime fidget spinners. If you ever watch that video with Mike Dever. Oh my god. Okay, well the point is, they did a lot of really cool film stuff and stuff like that, but one of the members, Brendan JLA,

was interested in game dev and he was very well associated with people even from EA and stuff, and he spoke out about this, the fact that even people on the high end, like people on the high board of EA and stuff like that, they let out a game, and he'd be sitting with this guy like a couple days after release he'd be getting drunk at a fucking bar upset like you know really angry and upset because he doesn't understand why people

are hating the game and you know it's it's just to point out that you know there are people who actually care about what they're making in those companies and stuff it's not like it is not just some great autonomous skynet thing it's like like, ah, release the battle royales. Yes, my children. No, there are people who are actually putting their heart into the games and stuff that they're making. And you can see that. If you take a moment, you know, take a breath,

you'll see that there are things in a game, even a AAA game, that has a lot of heart to it. Oh, yeah, sure. If your stakeholders are like, you have to make a battle royale, it's not like you're just going to not put effort into it. But the stakeholders are still there saying we need cash like you need cash flow so even reputation so you might be forced to make something that you hate but if you respect your job you're

still going to put the effort into it yes and yeah i mean the reputation I often hear is that the biggest like evil, the main evil you find in a big game industry is the marketing team because they're the ones who don't, at least most of the time, actually don't have an understanding of game development and what people want and stuff like that. They are interested in the money. That's what we were told in Game Concepts and what they explained about it made sense to me. I don't know, you know, I'm sure there people in gate you know marketing stuff like that who actually wanted to be game marketing people and they probably care about it but i can understand just like a lot of other things there's always going to be people who have a very machine-like way of seeing things and

they just don't they're not the kind of people who should be in one uh a game development uh scene or you know even any sort of like artistic or entertainment development i don't think machine like people are the best kinds of people to have in those things because they're just going to try and do whatever makes the most money and the thing is you're going to make the better money if you actually care about what you're making as you know it's not such a disrespectful thing to follow battle royale if you actually care about what you're making yeah sure but a lot of people just make battle royale because they're expected to make battle royale and make money. And then it's like, fuck, well, there we go.

Yeah. I don't like game companies tossing away their ideologies for the sake of just what buys or gets the most purchases. Yeah. Yeah, it makes sense. Yeah. And it goes to show it was only, you know blizzard's had its big controversies for example again i feel blizzard's a really good modern day example of this blizzard had its massive

controversies of everything developing but like there were still like original founders like the original three dudes one of them dropped off early i think he probably like either he was you know ready to move on or he dropped off because he made a good call who knows i don't know the story there but another one of them um retired out or dropped off and he was basically he got drunk on a stream or something like that as a guest appearance and he just ripped into basically the discussing how marketing aside and and just like the the large um what do you call board of directors like where you've got the CEO and everything? I forget the term. I think that would be it. It was just like, it became a massive aggressive takeover on Activision's side of things, and it wasn't just the founders

but other people who were really passionate about what they're doing just losing their jobs because they were pressured out of it. And while he, I don't know if he was pressured out of it or not, but he wasn't happy, and while he hadn't done so many great things recently either, he was you know interesting to see that basically he was pointing out that blizzard is just losing

track of what was blizzard i mean once once the head's completely you know replaced with something else is it really the same industry you still got the good people working for it but are they being directed in the same way i don't know it depends on the people you get that could be you know because obviously just like a you know a company that's been around for a century or something like that, you always, you know, the same people who created it originally will disappear eventually. But sometimes it can keep its image if the people replacing them are actually, you know, a good, what do you call it, successor.

But if we're talking companies, like game industry and stuff like that, that's probably not what's going to happen all the time. You're often going to get, you know, financial reasons and stuff where they're being replaced by someone else who's part of a stakeholder or like a you know a company that's been sponsoring them or something like that and gets invested in it that way and then things get complicated that's something i fear like you know i really want to be a game developer i want to have my own studio i want to make games as a creative director but i always have this fear of like how many how easily can that like strings get attached to what i do and and i find myself the puppet yeah well the big question with that is if you let yourself

be financed by by other people or if you're trying to run the studio entirely by what the studio can produce and what you can put into it. If you let your company get taken over by stakeholders that inevitably has to ruin the vision you had for your company. Unless your vision is I want to make as much money as possible your vision will end up having to shift if you bring other people onto the team. Yeah and this is why Thomas Brush is a really good example, considering he is almost entirely

a single-man dev team. He does work with a couple of other people for certain things, like illustrations and stuff, but he does the art, music, and almost all the game development himself. Ten years to make his dream game. It's a long, heavy road. That represents the outlier,

the person who could pretty much get away with making a game and funding it almost entirely off of the previous thing he made. Obviously, he probably had a few financial supporters and stuff like that, but he kept it to a minimum. I think if you want to stay true to what your company or your studio's dream or ideology as a developer, if you want to stay true to that, you need to be careful about how much financial support you accept

and from who. But that's just how I see it. No, that makes sense. I'm sure there's other influences as well. I mean, people change too. If you're like You know, even if you have a founder of group of three people like Blizzard style There's nothing to say that those same people couldn't suddenly

Change their the way they see things and where they started off as people who are inspired by creative ideas and dreams Suddenly they become obsessed with the money that they're getting or yeah They say the bag and like I'm gonna chase the bag now Yeah, obviously obviously that can happen i hopefully if you start talking with people though you thought you do pick the you'd hope you'd pick the correct people yeah i i feel like and i say i feel like because i i i do not like assuming things of myself especially when it's discussing my future self, because I think people change. I'm of that belief. I feel as though with the way I see things now, I would not be someone who would change that dramatically, that I'd just suddenly start chasing money.

However, as I said, people can change, and you can change without even realizing you change. So that's why I stay for life. Because for me, I don't care about being super wealthy and stuff like that which is why i'm still you know i hear like game developers especially if they're really independent might struggle with finances a lot of the time yeah i don't care i will be happy so long as i can live comfortably in just a basic household i don't want anything fancy i don't want the fucking fancy car in fact i want a cheap thing i'd be happy with a scooter

in fact i'm gonna get my motorcycle license soon how are you a scooter yeah yeah i want to go for my motorcycle license because i hate cars um and just like something i'd rather live a simple you know in a simple household as long as it's a comfortable environment i can just be happy with what i do and what you know how i live not have to stress too much about i mean if i can get out of that uni route of like stressing about even like what i'm eating and how much i'm paying for food and stuff like that if i can get out of that route fine and i'm not gonna just force myself into a situation where i'm paying extra for like a slightly fancier house fuck that whatever i can work with that that's all i need well that's why i've talked about wanting to live rural because it's just way cheaper out there

like if you can do everything you want to do out there you might as well obviously there's a lot of stuff you can't but if you can live rural you might as well yeah if you could do it i mean yeah that would be sick i'd like a bit more you know i like suburban i don't i don't really think i'd enjoy too much the idea of living in the city i don't think i'd enjoy living rural just that middle ground where i could go either way and be fine with it that's that's comfortable for me for me i used to live rural so it's kind of just getting back to how i grew up really i suppose so yeah imagine that the country bumpkin is the one who's like a super it man ain't that crazy mate i i had nothing better to do there it's not like there's anything to do out there i wouldn't know i mean i used to be like dragged up to the um my river with my mom

like every second weekend for a while until i was allowed to choose and i kind of stopped coming because i didn't enjoy it too much there you know it wasn't my environment there were things i water sport was great and stuff like that, but in the end, that's only one part of the day, and I'm a person who much more enjoys an inside lifestyle most of the time. So you're a fan of water sports, Sam? I liked it.

Got to think that one through a bit. Well, I mean, I'm not really a fan of sports entirely. Fine, you're not getting the joke anyway. Hey, what is water sports? Just looking up after the show. Urban Dictionary? Brody Brody You're the one who walked right into it

Because you didn't want to explain it to me God No Not that you fuck nugget No I mean like knee board. I know what you're saying. I'm just fucking with you. I know you're fucking with me.

I could go, you know, I could tell the moment you start smiling and like you're fed a water sports like, oh fuck, here we go. What am I dragged into? Yeah. Um, look, I'm, that's just something you might, you you know i don't know if you've had this discussion with people before but the concept you know i think it's a one that's been discussed enough times but the concept of like nerds as a culture and stuff like that is very weirdly malleable nowadays or it's a lot more wide-spanning when you think nerd usually you know historically

it would have been like the guy who's just mom's basement computer and when we still do that and there's still people who are like full-on hardcore that nerd culture or like geeky culture that you know it culture and stuff like that it's so much more widespread we are inward inward lifestyle people we like being on our computers we're playing games and stuff but then at the same time example myself and i'm pretty sure you as well and other friends of ours we love going out as well and doing you know certain things like i would happily go out and do fucking archery and judo and shit like that and and sport to an extent i don't have an interest in like afl but you know we are not we are at the same time exactly what those stereotypes would still suggest but we are also so much more outgoing and stuff surprisingly and when when despite the the fact

that most of the time you'd hear people complaining about uh can we live in a society here we go you know societally that people are becoming way too more way too shut in yet you find there's people who are you know those nerds who are going out and doing things where previously that was just not what you'd assume of them i don't know i find that cool it is but we're almost three hours right now yes right and that would be a great a great conversation to have for another podcast and i didn't even touch on most of the stuff that i was going to talk about today yeah we kind of just derailed in fact i think we've those the first few subjects are probably things that people don't want to listen to retail and anime

That's fine. If they stick around like I don't know they might No one watches this show. Anyway, I think I got like should do You should do a what's called Like what Philly DeFranco does and stuff like that there the hot thing I know you do highlights and stuff like that, but um Timestamps like I'd like, you know, particularly good points and stuff like that but timestamps of like you know particularly good points and stuff like that so people can skip on if they don't I'm sure if you like know

general idea of what we talked about which is like four topics yeah other episodes it's a bit harder than this yeah true some episodes like jump around stuff constantly hmm yeah that is true but in any case yeah I mean I I think that the

second half of this podcast had a lot better topics in my opinion what I was interested because we talked about retail I hate retail that was just a hate rant between both of us did you hear about what's happened with Joe Rogan have you heard that which Okay, he's going to Spotify exclusively. Really? Yeah. Like, he's not going to upload stuff to YouTube anymore? No, he's got a... The rumour is that Spotify gave him a $100 million deal

to exclusively upload to Spotify. Gave him a hundred what? A $100 million deal. Ah, I see. And the new rumour is it's actually $200 million. So, nothing else. And the new rumor is it's actually 200 million. So nothing else, like literally nothing else, not even YouTube highlights anymore and stuff like that. No, the YouTube highlights will, full clips,

there won't be an audio version anywhere besides Spotify. The video version is also going to Spotify as well. Apparently Spotify now has video, which is new. Interesting, we'll see how that streaming works. Everything setting up a new video streaming site always works perfectly. Granted, Spotify, it's not like they're a new streaming site. Nah, but I mean, like, they're not, uh, they're new to video. Sure, yeah, video's a bit more demanding than music is, but I feel like Spotify at least knows how to do streaming at this point. So, yeah, I thought you might have heard about that okay lucky i didn't bring that

up to the topic then because no i i i mean i i like joe rogan but again i'm not a podcast person too much so i need to be like highlights every now and then i'm like oh robert downey jr is there cool but uh supposedly he's going to be bringing alex jones back on show, which is going to be fun. Oh God. Just break the internet. I feel like, cause Joe Rogan's such a neutral person, like, like,

caringly neutral person, I think a lot of the time. It feels always like awkward to see people trying to attract controversy. Like, obviously he might make it like do something that might actually upset people. Cool. But he's not, you,

you, if you spent any time like acknowledging Joe Rogan, you you know he's not a person who's trying to like attract any form of proper conflict he literally just exists as a platform to let anyone speak and like that's it like he'll hear them out and he'll even discuss with them even if it's something he doesn't agree with he'll discuss it with them and people get offended if he like discusses something with someone that they don't like yeah it's funny because't like yeah he's just like he's a really good beacon of of what people don't do enough nowadays which is actually listen to other perspectives yeah hopefully i get better at that and stop cutting people off but should that's why i don't talk to you about politics no just like regular talking

on this podcast it's just it's very easy to cut people off when you're talking online oh yeah look it's something i try to be conscious of as well because i was like you know even like especially because we're on discord you go to say something and i'll like not seen you start saying something as i start speaking we'd like it's like you're like oh fuck i just interrupted What do I do? You never want to be like that too much, but it'll happen. It happens. It's human. So I think we'll just end it there,

because I've actually got some things to do after this. I'm starving. Which is weird, because usually I don't... Usually it's other people that are busy, not me. I'd say I have things to do. It's just research methods. Oh, yeah, you've got to get the introduction done. And how are you going on those questions? busy not me um i'd say i have things to do it's just research methods and oh yeah you gotta get the introduction done and how are you going on those questions so as it stands i basically just

because i hate fucking writing research method i i just got my sources and i like noted them out basically and then it's like uh you know basically like uh what do you call like a shitty shitty mini paragraph or sentence and i was like i'll take those dot points and I just amalgamate into an actual paragraph. Okay, cool. It's probably going to be hard. We need something tonight. Yeah, that'd be easy. That's the idea.

I was going to do it yesterday, but I was helping someone out with databases. Okay, cool. They needed to learn. Awesome. So do you have anything that you want to shout out? No, I, at this stage in my life, I'm just,

you know, doing my honors and everything like that. I'm not, uh, doing too much with myself or nothing. That's worth sponsoring. At least don't have a place. We upload your art or anything like that.

No, no, no, nothing that I share. I, I don't mind. Uh, it's a pretty good YouTube channel.

Um, I forget what it's called. Brody it's called Brodie Robertson you can check that out I have enough influence that I could sponsor it probably oh yeah for sure you can send thousands of people there you guys might want to check that out it's pretty easy if you like this podcast I think you'll like that YouTube channel it's pretty good but besides that I don't know

if you want to have me on some other time uh any other point yeah if you run out of people to talk to i do have a couple of people i do want to bring on some are a bit busier than others yeah i did have josh planned for one point but he was busy when i tried to get him on i might try to do that some point i think it's good that you, at least at this stage, you know, bring on people who are not, like, all super big or anything like that.

You know, some of us are just your fucking friends from uni and shit like that, and you bring them on for a podcast. I know it's a small podcast, but it's interesting to see that. Well, that's what Joe Rogan did from the start anyway. It just happens to be that his friends are also celebrities. Yeah.

I found, you know, i've always thought like a podcast would be interesting if like it never i guess it started off by trying to do like a mix of like people who are well known and people who aren't um and as you get further into it and more popular i think a really cool successful podcast would be one that keeps doing that that like you know people who don't i guess get as much podcast uh well it don't aren't usually sought out for podcasts and things like this think think of like someone who like had a is someone like joe rogan is like that had like fucking guests on who are like just a teacher from like his high school or something like that yeah i feel like really interesting i would find well because you bring, last week, the guy I brought on had like 500 subs.

Yeah, good. You were, if this podcast can get a lot of traction, I think it would be good if you, you know, encourage both

bringing on people who are, you know, influential or well-known and stuff like that because that's good for both of you

and it's just, you know, it's good for everyone and, you know, doing your, doing your bit to support small people as well. And I think that's what podcasts often do anyway it's very good

um yeah as it stands you you can interview your uni friends stuff like that you'll probably stop doing that as you get bigger but still support smaller people in any case maybe you'll stop being a uni friend and you'll run a game studio at some point ah yeah and then we can use it advertise that. Look, if I get there, sure, happily I'll be on your podcast, but I mean, I'm talking about other people here. I don't mind if I'm on your podcast again or not. I didn't mind if I was on the podcast to begin with.

I'll give you a say on it, though. Yeah, you asked and I was like, sure. And I'm sure most people would be like that. It's like, yeah, it's good that you're doing it. Keep with it. I think it's interesting. Thanks. That's good that you're doing it keep with it i think it's interesting thanks that's a positive note to end on so before we go i would like to thank my patrons so a special thank you to joachim nathan andrew p.d where i turned it on lq larry and zilva if you want to support the patreon there'll be a link to all of that down below as well as my amazon

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And yeah, go check out the main channel available on BitTube, Library and YouTube. I think that's pretty much everything. So Sam, how do you want to end out the main channel available on BitTube, Library and YouTube. I think that's pretty much everything. So, Sam, how do you want to end out the podcast? Just, you know, I thought you were about to say that you were sponsored by something

and I just really wanted to just bring back on that Raid Shadow Legends. Brought to you by G Fuel. How do I want to end this? I don't know. Thanks for having me on. It's nice to have a chat with you, especially because I haven't really spoken or seen you in ages as well. It's been a while, hasn't it?

It's interesting being on a podcast. It does make the podcast more interesting when you haven't seen the person in like fucking eight weeks. True. Yeah. I mean, it's interesting being on a podcast in general. I have a lot to say, but I am not in any way a qualified voice in a lot of things. But, you know, I like talking.

I was talking to Connor about the coronavirus. So I think we're all in that party. Yeah. I think so long as it's acknowledged that what you're saying is, you know, it's more of a, you know, your brain piece, your piece to that puzzle, as much as what you assume to be the all-knowing solution. People should acknowledge there's nothing wrong with thinking.

Yep. That's nice. That's about it that's nice thanks for having me on and I'm gonna go eat yeah I need to go buy some food actually for the shops and all that clothes I don't want my butcher to close before I get there alright cool

okay thanks yeah talk to you yeah talk to you man and I guess the next episode of the podcast I don't know

who's going to be on it actually at this stage fuck I don't know who's going to be on it it was going to be Marty

but he's not going to be available until the Tuesday the podcast is supposed to be out so I might bring I was talking to S sacindu a while back

he might come on the show that would be an interesting show or i might do a solo episode we'll see if he's busy i'll do a solo episode a solo episode oh look if you have a desperate for a non-celebrity episode i'm sure a few of us would happily give you company have you ever thought about doing multiple people uh yeah i'm gonna bring kenley and cory on for the mr robot episode uh wait yeah we spoke about this didn't we what did i speak about this with someone else uh yeah i just spoke to cory about it because we didn't speak about it when you came on the zoom meeting thing um for ict we were speaking about oh yeah yeah you and i will be being haunted by cory and kenley trying to get us to watch mr robot i'm still not

going to get around to it i'll do it at some point i haven't even started yet i haven't watched oh yeah i'll have to buy the podcast but the podcast and keep getting delayed until i watch it yeah um yeah if you do some some multi-person podcasts because then it'll be i mean it's good that you do one-to-one one-to-one is always good because you hear it you know that person gets to be to speak their whole mind and but it's also good to see how some people rally and even like different people and stuff like that can communicate it's good yeah that's a suggestion no i i'm the suggestion. I have artwork for those layouts as well. Cool, cool.

Cool, so I think we'll end it there. This has been... I didn't even announce what episode this is. This was episode... I don't know, 13. Maybe. Do you want me to find out for you? I think this was episode 13 of Tech Over Tea. I'm going to find out.

It's already losing all of its traction. If you're still watching three hours I'm gonna find you. Already losing all of its traction. If you're still watching three hours into this, thank you. Yes, episode 13 of Tech Over Tea. Thank you for watching. Three hours and eight minutes into the podcast, I need to go buy some food

and do some other stuff. Sam needs to go finish an assignment that we need to compile by tomorrow. And, yeah. Adieu.