Tech Over Tea - XeroLinux The Flashy Arch Based Distro | DarkXero

Episode Date: April 19, 2023

DarkXero is back once again to talk more about XeroLinux his flashy Arch Linux based distro along with some challenges he's currently facing by living in Lebanon. As with the recent DT stream he is still trying to raise money to avoid the generator fees and gift/travel to his sister's wedding. ==========Guest Links========== DarkXero Kofi: https://ko-fi.com/xerolinux DarkXero LiberaPay: https://liberapay.com/DarkXero/ XeroLinux Website: https://xerolinux.xyz/ XeroLinux Github: https://github.com/XeroLinux TechXero Twitter: https://twitter.com/TechXero ==========Support The Show========== ► Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/brodierobertson ► Paypal: https://www.paypal.me/BrodieRobertsonVideo ► Amazon USA: https://amzn.to/3d5gykF ► Other Methods: https://cointr.ee/brodierobertson =========Video Platforms========== 🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBq5p-xOla8xhnrbhu8AIAg =========Audio Release========= 🎵 RSS: https://anchor.fm/s/149fd51c/podcast/rss 🎵 Apple Podcast:https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tech-over-tea/id1501727953 🎵 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3IfFpfzlLo7OPsEnl4gbdM 🎵 Google Podcast: https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9hbmNob3IuZm0vcy8xNDlmZDUxYy9wb2RjYXN0L3Jzcw== 🎵 Anchor: https://anchor.fm/tech-over-tea ==========Social Media========== 🎤 Discord:https://discord.gg/PkMRVn9 🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/TechOverTeaShow 📷 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/techovertea/ 🌐 Mastodon:https://mastodon.social/web/accounts/1093345 ==========Credits========== 🎨 Channel Art: All my art has was created by Supercozman https://twitter.com/Supercozman https://www.instagram.com/supercozman_draws/ DISCLOSURE: Wherever possible I use referral links, which means if you click one of the links in this video or description and make a purchase we may receive a small commission or other compensation.

And that is recording. Cool. Good morning, good day, and good evening. I have no idea what episode number this is, because I had to rearrange some episodes. But welcome to the show. This is Tech of a T. I don't know why I rearranged the entire intro. Whatever. It is what it is. Anyway, Dark Zero, welcome back to the show. How you doing, man? Besides the fact that I'm recovering from a from a bad cold i'm good how have you been been a while well i i don't know i feel like i'm in the starting stages

of getting a cold so let's just see how the next couple of days go and then i'll let you know i watched your uh your meetup with Nick from the Linux experiment. He's sick as well. I was supposed to have him on my show yesterday morning. He's sick again? We both got sick at the same time. Man, I feel bad for Nick. We were supposed to do our episode a week earlier than that,

but he was sick then as well. Yeah. God, that's like oh dude and especially i love doing doing stuff with him because we're we're on the same level uh when it come when it comes to socially because french and lebanese we we had been uh our system is the french system right the american one there is one country out there that doesn't follow the American system. It's us. We follow the French one.

What do you mean by that? I'm not really sure what you're getting at there. The French system, like the way of doing things. Right. Social system. Right. Social whatever. It's called that.

So my education is French. My upbringing is French. everything about me is French. So, we're on the same level. We speak French for two hours before the podcast, then we start the meetup, we switch to English and we throw in a few French words. Just mess with people. Because in Lebanon... Do like 15-20 minutes just in French and see if anyone's still watching after that

that's what we're going to that's what I was planning for the episode we speak a little bit of French I have a few French members on my server but in Lebanon the way we say hello is hi, kifak, sava

hi in English, kifak, sava is like hi in English. Kifak is in Arabic. Sava in French. Three languages to say good morning. Huh. Lebanese system. My knowledge of countries outside of Australia is very, very limited. I know some US stuff, some UK stuff, and that's pretty much as far as it goes.

If you ask me about anywhere else, I don't know. It probably is a country. We in Lebanon know a lot about the outside countries for a simple reason. It's because we are all curious here we are very curious about what's happening outside because we envy everybody outside because we don't have anything here like my current situation no electricity no nothing basically we get between two to four hours of power a day now uh i think it's a temporary situation i don't know but it's the electricity situation was started in 89 so we're in 2023 and it's it's getting worse it's not

getting any better so yeah i watched the um i watched that video you sent me but i'm sure a lot of people watching this have no idea what's happening in lebanon so just give like a brief rundown that's what i needed to uh this video was found by one of my members teddy bear killer on my server uh i didn't even because i don't want to research my own situation online you know because I don't want to hear worse news. He found it online and I was like, people, the mentality today is we watch

videos, we believe everything in the videos. So I was like, okay, might as well embed it everywhere I can. So I embedded it into Patreon, embedded it into Ko-fi, everywhere that I request donations. And I even embedded it into Patreon, embedded it into Ko-fi, everywhere that I request donations. And I even embedded it in my welcome tool in zero Linux.

OK. OK. Like, when you click Donate, it will pop up the thing. It will have the video and the three ways to donate. But yeah, they forced my hand because they think I was fishing for sympathy or or something yeah there is reality and there's fishing for sympathy uh well i need power to be able to continue work on zero linux and to get power i need a lot of money to pay for those exorbitant or mafia as we

call them the generator mafia because they are a mafia it's a multi-billion dollar industry that well they charge whatever they want at whatever rates they want it's not controlled unfortunately so uh and the country 100 of the country relies on those generators without those generators we don't have power uh so the fact that i'm having this conversation with you is thanks to those generators, but we have to pay the extra to get extra power. So this month, I was able to gather up a few funds from here and there, from whatever is given to me and family sends and whatever to have a few extra hours to be able to work on zero linux and have the meetups to be able to spread the word that's why we're having the meetup on the 17th spread the word and see whoever i'm not forcing anyone to to support i'm just saying whoever can support it will be uh appreciated uh and it will all go towards keeping keeping the generator on and

working on zero links. I need to make videos, dude. I have a YouTube channel. The only thing I can do is live during those couple of hours that I have power in once a week, every Saturday. So I'm like, I can't keep doing live because live hurts a channel. It doesn't help a channel. Yeah, yeah. Now I understand when you say

I don't monetize the Tech Over Tea because they're only long form videos with a couple of segmented parts of the episode. But yeah, you cannot monetize anything that's longer than 15 minutes. Well, there's the opposite problem where monetizing something too short as well is also a problem. Too short? Yeah, I'm not talking 15 minutes well unfortunately the opposite problem we're monetizing something too short as well as also a problem where like too short yeah i'm not talking shorts like the monetization it's better

than it used to be like there were videos that would have hundreds of millions of views that would make like a dollar it's better now but it's still like you need insane numbers of views for those videos to even be remotely viable i don't i don't like making shorts because i'm a quality quality oriented person shorts is like holding a phone and shaking and whenever i watch shorts uh i mean shorts made by users not the uh not the uh segmented parts of a movie kind of shorts. Just users talking to their phones or their selfie stick or whatever. They're annoying and they make me sick.

So the only shorts I watch are things where they take parts of the TV show Suits. And they take interesting parts of each episode or game of thrones or whatever uh i got now i got interested to watch breaking bad i never watched it the reason i didn't watch it is because of me i i refuse to watch a tv show where they show that teachers chemistry teachers can use their knowledge for bad. No matter what the excuse is, I want my family to live, I am sick, I want to leave them millions of dollars when I die.

But throughout the show, everything goes backwards. And no matter what the reason is, if you're doing something bad it's bad that's it so i refuse to watch it but now because of the shorts that i'm getting from baking breaking bad it's very smart it's a very smart show uh so now i might watch it but game of thrones i keep i keep refusing to watch it because i i'm not watching a porn movie i don't like to watch a porn tv show i like to or erotic tv show i want to watch a tv show with a story like now i'm watching

picard i'm a star trek fan so i don't think there's anything anyway that's we're going away from linux right here oh we are way off of it but you know that's usually what happens on this show i don't think there's anything wrong inherently with short form videos. Like there's a bunch of channels that I watch where they do really short form, um, like science experiments or explaining like, uh, there's this one channel I watch. Those are professionally done.

Yeah. Um, and they're like, you know, shorts about, uh, you know, how different parts of the universe work.

There's shorts about like, there's a couple of, um, like world war two channels that I watch where they do like you know going over some tactic or something all of these like really good channels but the ones where they're just like yeah the you know the prank videos or just screaming into a camera like those i totally understand thinking they're a waste of time and they pretty much are a waste of time there's there's a lot of short form videos that advert like call me Chris

for example call me Chris makes beautiful shorts her multi character funny skits love them there's a guy I follow he's French

but I forget his name his name is pretty weird There's a guy I follow. He's French. But I forget his name. His name is pretty weird. Let me check. His name is, when I go to shorts, he's the first. Oh, for some reason, shorts on my end, it shows me a regular player. It doesn't show me the actual shorts.

That's weird. He's a French guy. He makes fun of English and French. The difference between English and French. No, I know. Yeah, no, I've definitely seen the channel. I can't remember the name, though's amazing he's amazing i watch his shorts because this is exactly what i go through every day uh so there are a lot of shorts that are really good and you can use shorts to advertise your longer

form videos if you make a video like you want people to really watch you can put parts of it in your short and you you you tell them the full video is on the channel yeah they click and they go you can you shorts are good but the monetization of shorts is kind of yeah on the on the bleeding edge of broken. Yeah, yeah. But in order to do all that, in order to do all that, I want to do all that. I want to make videos.

I have ideas. I want to show users how to create their own distro. I want to tell users more about calamaris and things like that. I can't do that. I don't have power because you shoot the video. You have to spend three, four hours editing that video. I don't have power for that long to be able to edit those videos. So I'm waiting for the situation to get better. So now I'm relying on people who join on memberships and super thanks and super chats. But I'm lucky enough to have a lot of people who support on Ko-fi and whatever on those platforms.

But now I have a goal to raise before the 30th. That's why I'm doing the show on the 17th. The meetup on the 17th is because I have to raise $1,000 before the 30th. So not for me, for my sister. She's been out of a job for two years so you need to help her out uh other than that the donations for me are coming through pretty pretty good but i need to help my sister out so uh yeah going to her wedding as well her wedding and her birthday are boom boom yeah it's like 30th her wedding the third is her birthday 40th yeah i'll have

all of that um linked in the description if anyone wants to go and hop into that um for anyone who doesn't know what you do explain i know we've talked about this in previous episodes but just briefly explain what zero linux is well zero linux used to be a hobbyist distro it's no longer a hobbyist distro i need to update that on the website it's a arch based distro with kde and two extra spins uh that i created out out of um for all the users that really want zero linux but cannot run KDE or dislike KDE. There's the XFCE edition coming on May 15th. That'll be the comeback of the XFCE edition. Oh, you had that in the past, did you?

There was an XFCE before. So that's why I'm saying comeback. And there is the GNOME spin, but what differentiates spins from the official flagship is limited support. And ISOs will be behind a donation wall because I need to pay the bills. I'm charging for my time, not the code.

If you want to build it and get it for free, sorry, if you want to get it for free, you can build it from the bills. I'm charging for my time, not the code. If you want to build it and get it for free, sorry, if you want to get it for free, you can build it from the code, using the code and the guide on GitHub. And the spins, they will get an ISO every time there's a major update to the desktop environment. Like GNOME 43, okay, the next ISO will be gnome 44 the next iso for xfce will be 4.19 so those spins are for you to enjoy uh but limited support since i don't use them i just created them so you can have a base and i didn't customize them too, just enough to make them look a little bit different than the stock. Like in GNOME, I added like eight or ten extensions like dash to dock, blur my shell, what's it called? Pop shell, arc menu, gestures,

stuff like that, X11 gestures, to mimic the Wayland gestures on X11. Wait, there's not X11 gestures in, you know? Like, I didn't actually know there wasn't gestures in the X11 version. Oh, there aren't. It's an extension. Oh, sure. Okay, I had no idea.

It's called Imp. Sure. I had no idea. It's called Improved Gestures. It's an extension that mimics, tries to mimic the Wayland gestures on X11. That's so weird. I don't know why they wouldn't have them in the X11 version.

Because they want to push Wayland more than X11. Going from your videos they should because X11 like you said in your video because I watch every single video you release thank you

I will tell you one thing the way you do your videos the tonality and the emphasis you put on certain areas of subjects makes it super interesting. And when I start one of your videos, I cannot get my eyes off it because it's so interesting.

You do a lot of research. Kudos on that. I don't read as much. I think you read book level of research for every video okay well okay there's a video coming out uh probably sometime next week about a 50 page research paper uh that was trying to like it was looking into whether swearing in your code base improved the quality of your code. I read the entire paper. Yeah, if there's one thing I do on my channel that I do feel proud about, it's the fact that even though I do get something wrong in one of my videos, every single one of my videos is very heavily researched.

Most of the time, even if something might not be exactly correct, I've got a bunch of stuff that backs up what I'm saying. And, you know, I think it's important to also make it clear where that information is coming from. So if you ever look at my descriptions, especially on those heavily researched videos, there's like 10 or 20 like links to go in there most people don't read them but i like to include them there just in case you do want to go and do your extra research and see what my sources are and things like that i even used one of your one of your topics uh in one of your videos as one of the topics in on my podcast uh the Church of Linux, the woman that told the people her company where she was working.

Oh, yeah, that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But her religion doesn't allow her to use anything but Linux. Yep, yep, yep. I use that as one of the subjects of my podcast. A lot of subjects in your videos

can be used, and they're very interesting. I'm not the type of person that looks for weird stuff about Linux. I already have a distro to maintain and I have to do research related to my distro and nothing else because if I

spread myself too far I will not hear the end of it. Right. Like, for example, I'll give you an example there's a lot of you know the LinuxTube, Alex from the LinuxTube the LinuxTube

the LinuxTube, Alex I recommend people to watch his channel no I haven't, sorry to you see all the because through his videos you see all the issues a content creator has to go through to get to find his bearings because his videos go from good to bad

to much better uh-huh he tried to use a filter at one at some point that turns his background into transparent and makes them as if you had a black screen behind them it caused a desync issues and stuff like that and then now they're way better because we had a talk i i helped them out a little bit but uh uh with the linux tube is like, I find my research through him. I find my subject sometimes through him. I'm like, okay, I need to talk about OBS and what you should not do in OBS to get the bad quality that he got.

So, and he has helped me a lot with the channel. I need to shout out someone. What's his name? Kabir. His name is Kabir. He's a professional YouTube. How do I categorize him? He helps YouTube channels reach monetary status,

intros, and get high social score. SEO also. This dude helped me reach monetization, and now he's working on an intro for me, and the animation, the thing that happens

at the bottom. Kudos to him, and thanks to alex for pointing him out but uh we we you content creators go through a lot of hoops and a lot of difficult moments just to get our bearings like for me i need to backdrop i need to find a green screen to remove this cupboard and my half my clothes for the world to see well okay speaking of clothes what you got to do with the camera right you got to frame things so it's not a problem like this right here is just slightly out of frame so you just don't see it yeah i don't have space that's it what you see is that's it that's the room

put it in another room that That's what I'm thinking. Anyway, now what I do with Zero Linux is I take ideas from users. For example, they tell me, why don't you do this that way or do that that way?

I try. If they work, I will implement. If they don't work, I don't implement. And now we have a new tool coming out. Hopefully it will be done because kudos to DeadSynapse. He's the guy working on the Hello tool. I'm not a developer.

Zero Linux is getting a lot of contribution code by a lot of people. He's working on a new hello tool. And it's totally different than what it used to be. But it's using input from different users. So I get input. I ask him if he can do it and whatever. You can call Zero Linux a community

supported distro because I get a lot of input from the community. I use what I can. But the problem with community support is they come, they contribute, they leave. They disappear. So far, for the

previous Zero Hello tool, the current one, actually, the guy deleted the code. Well, I have a fork on my GitHub, but he deleted the original code. So I can no longer sync with anything. He deleted the code. So yeah, that's the problem. But I thank everyone who contributes.

But yeah, you have to know this going in. When you want the community to help, don't expect them to help you all the time. Expectation is to limit your expectation. Get whatever you can from that person. And once they disappear, use what you have. Don't ever, I say this to everyone, don't blame people who help you and then disappear don't speak ill about them because they gave you what they can yeah they're not they're not getting paid they're giving they're giving you uh their uh their free time for free so uh yeah be thankful i tell i everyone, be thankful for whatever you get.

I am thankful for whatever I get. Mm-hmm. And I live with it. Like, I learn, I try to learn whatever, like, the tool that the guy deleted the code of. Mm-hmm. I know enough to keep it up to date. Yeah, okay. So, I just, I want to add packages to the packages installer. I want to add scripts.

I cannot add buttons because I don't know how to add buttons on the tool, but I can modify the existing scripts. I know where they are and I have the PKG build. This is what I do. I rely on the community to give me stuff. I have given everything I know. The other day, I had a, what's it called, Pipewire update that broke everything.

It's fine. It's the usual. But me, I've been on the same installation of Zero Linux since December. The December release. So no issues whatsoever. I had maybe six or seven, maybe 10 Pipewire updates. No issues.

This comes in, and everything switches around. The microphone is in output. The, I don't know, things switched around. So it took me four hours to fix that. Jeez. And people think that I don't, because I'm a KDE simp, super simp, that I don't see all the issues of KDE. Yes, I do. Yes, I do.

Just go to the audio settings and the KDE. Yes, I do. Yes, I do. Just go to the audio settings in the KDE settings panel. You are going to have a heart attack because of... You got maybe how many? 12 sliders? Like, why?

Why? And did you watch the Nicolo video where he started talking about him being envious of GNOME? Uh... The developer envious of GNOME, I think it's called. Um... His previous to last video. Previous to last video.

The one before KDE is not a desktop environment. Yeah, the GNOME... wait, what is it? GNOME... Nicolo... Yeah, the genome what what no what is it? Nicolo Impression of gnome 40 for the up the update KDE needs is that it? Yes. I know I'm not seeing that one yet. No He's his production quality is way better than mine. Geez. I've not watched one of videos in a while I didn't realize like yeah this fancy. I thought I I follow him because he's got a point of view of somebody from the inside of KDE. Yep, yep, yep.

And I'm going to have him on my show when I get back from Serbia. I love this kid. He's funny. He's got limited inside view. He's a KDE panel guy, as I call him. The KDE panel guy. Who gets a little bit of tidbits here and there.

He's constantly on the KDE Telegram, of course, and the new KDE Discuss. But, yeah, I can get a few insider opinions. Like, for example, when it comes to LatteDog, he's the one who told me that they're picking it up as an official KDE application at some point. They never pointed out when. Because right now they have so much on their plate, I don't think they're going to pick it up anytime soon.

They have QT6, they have Plasma 6, they have way too many things. But he told me that for it to be picked up by the KDE team, it has to have at least one maintainer. They don't pick up a project

without any maintainer. Right, that makes sense. Otherwise you're just taking on the maintenance burden without really... Yeah, they need someone. But it's still receiving community support. So there are commits from time to time. He even mentions it in his video,

in his rising themes video, whatever. But yeah, Zero Linux is very conservative on what we use. I am very opinionated on what to include on Zero Linux. I don't want to include too much, because

I don't want to become Garuda. I've tried to be Garuda, and I saw people crying, and tears of blood, as we call them. Bloated, bloated, bloated, bloated, bloated, bloated, bloated. There's even some people who call any distro with one text editor more than what comes with a desktop environment bloat. Look, at the end of the day...

600 kilobytes more and it's bloat. At the end of the day, there's going to be someone that calls it bloat. No matter what you try to do, there is a GUI, bloat. At the end of the day, there's going to be someone that calls it bloat. No matter what you try to do, there is a GUI. Bloat. It's KDE. Bloat. Why are you not using DWM? Bloat. No, there

was somebody who replied to those people in a very good way. Stick to the TTY. Exactly. TTY is bloat. Stick to the to the tty computers are bloat use note but anyway i i learned a lot being in the linux community i uh i started because people told me grow a thick skin i never understood what the meaning of the expression until I got into the Linux community. And I started posting about the issues on the

Arch forums. The fun place. Garuda. I saw what they meant. So, like, some people keep... Like, some people on other videos who talk about me, they sometimes say, oh, that guy who keeps asking for donations, that guy, whatever.

I don't see them anymore. The way Linus Tech Tips doesn't see ads on websites because he he's not he grew numb to them uh well that's the way i grew numb to negative unless it's constructive criticism i i am numb to them well you did that a lot quicker than i did it took me a couple of years to get to that point um it took me a few months yeah i like i ever since i started the channel you know there's know, there's always been people leaving... The most common one I get is just dumb comments about my beard. Like, I don't care anymore.

I've heard every single insult you could possibly think of. Like... Okay? What are we doing here? For me, the most negative is my distro being bloat, is being Garuda.

He's trying to mimic Garuda. He's Garuda. What's so different between ZeroLinux and Garuda? It looks exactly like Garuda. Garuda this, Garuda that. And there's another thing I get, is Garuda told us that Lattedoc is no longer maintained. They switched to the KDE panel. I was like, you need to clarify which Latte package is out of date and no longer maintained.

branch package is still being maintained by the community. But the regular package, LatteDoc, regular package, yes, it's no longer being maintained because the maintainer quit his job. He's no longer maintaining it. They don't know the difference between Git master branch and the regular package.

It's like Hyperland and Hyperland Git. Hyperland is the stable version and hyperland git is the constantly moving one that i had to i wouldn't say stable stable may not be the not being updated every second of the day um well he told if x3 told me during the interview that i did with him he was like we push once every week or two to to the a bull package uh to the binary because they had hyperland-bin and hyperland-git now they have hyperland regular hyperland that is on the arch repositories i think it's the binary

that's moved to the arch repository. But as you said, it's still not stable because it's a project that's ongoing. I don't think it will stop being ongoing until Wayland reaches somewhat... I don't know. ...more sustainable status. There's always going to be extra little things you can add, but... Always, no, this is always...

Yeah, I don't know what Vaxxery's end goal with the project is. For anyone who wants to know, just before this episode, I had a major problem with Hyperland. My portals stopped

working, like like they were showing nothing in obs it was showing the wrong things when i selected it then my entire desktop locked up i couldn't even change tty's and i had to reboot my entire system so you know um i like hyperland but it's very rough still i don't know what caused the problem. So... I don't know what I'm supposed to be reporting. Well, we both know Vox3 so you can just talk to Vox3. I could just ping him be like hey this crashed. Maybe I'll find the log send it to him. Well, and I'm gonna say something great about Vox3 although

he's in the teenage phases of Hyperland. He's a good kid. Because I told him that in 2024, whenever I can afford an AMD card instead of an NVIDIA one. Because NVIDIA and Hyperland... Although there's an Nvidia package... Nvidia and Wayland generally is a bit rough. Although there's a package called Hyperland Nvidia, but he made it clear

it wasn't maintained by him. There are guides on the wiki, on the Hyperland wiki, written by Nvidia owners on the Hyperland wiki written by NVIDIA owners that run Hyperland without issues on NVIDIA it's jumping through hoops instead of having it just work on AMD

just work on AMD but I was like okay there will be zero Linux with a window manager because there's a lot of users who keep requesting a window manager-based version of Zero Linux. I told them, all right, but it's not going to be any window manager. It has to be Hyperland. Okay.

Because Zero Linux is a special distro. It's not any distro. So we don't have the usual choice of window managers. No I3, no BWM, no BSBWM. None of that. There's a lot of distros with those. We need a distro. Okay, Arco Linux

has Hyperland. Not everyone and even Eric is very hesitant on maintaining Hyperland so I was like it's going to be Hyperland and guess what we decided

to call it? What did you call it? Hyper Zero Hyper Someone suggested Zero Hype I like that one Hype is I don't know the overwhelming choice went to

hyper zero the way he spells hyper without the E yeah and for zero xfce for example somebody suggested xerox I told him I'm not for 0xfce for example somebody suggested xerox I I told them I'm not here to get sued

no thank you yeah maybe you don't do that one um you could call it hmm somebody suggested uh zero land zero land I was like zero land sounds like what uh what's it

called uh tomorrowland the the dance and things that trance dance outdoor spectacle that happens for like a week uh outdoors i was like nah the trance was back in when i was young i don't like that music anymore uh now i'm more into hardcore but hardcore is not for the young heart uh light-hearted because it requires shaking your head and knocking your head because i did it once when i was young i used to listen to hardcore i shook my head so hard I knocked it against the floor And I went out cold Went out cold They had to wake me up I was like what happened

They were like you knocked your head You're lucky you didn't split it open Yeah Not for the light hearted But anyway Xerox no I'm not switching from that But Hyper Zero is kinda cool Not for the lighthearted. But anyway, Xerox, no. It's 0XFCE. I'm not going to be switching from that.

But HyperZero is kind of cool. I also like the name you got for GNOME with 0G. 0G is nice, yeah. I wanted to call 0XFCE 0CE, but it's two letters that mean nothing. Yeah, that's true. So the person who came up with the idea he was like zero ce uh zero fce he wanted because the x in zero is for xfce zero fce ah yep that could work i was like yeah but the name is weird it doesn't flow it doesn't flow that well, does it? It doesn't flow on the tongue.

So 0xfce is fine. Xfce is just a hard name to deal with, though. That's the problem. Yeah, and it's a hard desktop to deal with as well. So let's be honest. It's very simple, yes, if you use it as it is. But the moment you start trying to modify Xfce, we went from Polybar to TIG2 panel.

We were treating it because the XFCE panel is so stupid. I've never actually used it. And I'll explain why it's stupid. XFCE, in the latest update of XFCE, I'm not talking about the previous one. 4.17 was okay. 4.18, I don't know what they did. Apparently, due to their Wayland code, because they're starting to move to Wayland.

Oh, yeah, they are starting to work for Wayland, yeah. They killed the dock, the panel. In what way? As soon as you move it and make it floating, because we like floating panels. Sure. The it and make it floating, because we like floating panels, the moment you make it floating, it stops adapting to different resolutions. If you make it on 1080p,

a few pixels short from the edges, if somebody runs this configuration on an ultra-wide, the panel is going gonna look this big So As soon as you make it touch the upper edge it adapts It wakes up again. Uh-huh So we needed to find something different. So I guess the same thing would happen if you- Track Polybar

Mm-hmm. I guess the same thing would happen if you were using a 4x3 display then, where it would just stretch off the edges of the screen. Yep. So, tried Polybar. Polybar's nice. Polybar is a window manager, not a desktop environment. It requires a bit of tweaking, but it does... A lot of tweaking.

We tried to implement the whisker menu in Hollywood because I like the whisker menu. What is the whisker menu? The whisker menu is XFCE's menu, right? Oh Yeah, that one. Yeah, okay Yeah, you've been away from desktop environments for far too long. No, I just never heard the term whisker menu. I See, I just, I've never heard the term whisker menu. I see. I see. Yeah.

So we tried to implement the whisker menu in Polybar, but because Polybar is a window manager thing that spawns everything in the center of the screen, it spawned whisker menu in the center of the screen. It wasn't like click and it goes down like a regular app menu. So you cannot give it even coordinates. Then DT comes along and he suggests X menu. So what X menu was, that's not what we want.

X menu is kind of like the XFCE menu that you have on the desktop when you right-click on the desktop. Just move, and you can give it coordinates to work with Polybar. Then we discovered that Polybar had bugs with XFCE. Big, deal-breaking bugs. It wouldn't go transparent without the use of some sort of PyCom. And to get a PyCom that works in virtual machines, you have to use a fork called PyCom Ibbhagwan,

not the Jonaberg one. The Jonaberg doesn't work in a virtual machine. Ibbhagwan does. I forgot how much of a mess PyCom was. Yeah. So we were like, okay okay we need to ship something stable so we went back to the xfce panel we stuck it to the top okay we cannot have rounded corners because it's not floating and we're like okay we went back to the drawing board and we just

changed the theme we're're using something called the, the way I call it is because the name is so weird. I'll tell you what the name of it is. Yeah, if you can find a link to it or something, or just put the name Discord, I can bring it up. Yeah, I'll give you a link to it. I have it because it's part of the discussion.

Store.kde that's for the icon one, two easy Kanagawa GTK theme Kanagawa I'll send you the link

it's on XFCE look XFCE look Kanagawa I see I'll send you the link. I'll send you the link. Okay. It's on XFCE Look. XFCE Look. Kanagawa. I sent it to you on Discord. I see. I see. I see.

Here we go. It's kind of like Grovbox, but a tweaked Grovbox. Oh, it's Grovbox, but not bad. I actually kind of like this. Yeah. That's what we used. And it's by... Is my hands looking?

Usto Korspavr. Okay. Sorry, I butchered your name. You butchered the name of the theme, so we're good. Okay. And it's by... Is his hand still looking? Gusto Korspavr. Okay, sorry, I butchered your name. You butchered the name of the theme, so you're off to a good start anyway. What's his name? Gusto Korspavr.

Probably better than I would do. Anyway, it's a tweaked uh it's a tweaked uh graph box theme uh the icon pack you see in there is uh anagawa icon theme it comes part of it but we're not using that icon theme because it's missing a lot of icons. A lot. It's still in the early stages. So we opted to use something you might be familiar with, Tela Circle Icon Theme Brown. Tela Circle Icon Theme is very famous

because it's got like 16 different iterations, color schemes, or whatever. Let's see. And I do maintain them on my repository. So I have to build 16 different, 17 different packages because there's the all-in-one package as well. I've not used these, but I've certainly seen them. Yeah. Everybody and their mother.

Because there's always like the Nordic uh-huh all nordic based themes a lot of i i keep saying all a lot of nordic uh nord themes use the nord color scheme of tela because it's a very complete icon okay it's over 300 megabytes dude it's a massive icon theme package it's constantly being maintained and I maintain the git repository one the git master branch one I don't use the regular package

because I want to get every update so we use the brown version of that so I will send you a screenshot of the XFCE edition the way it looks right now. Okay. So you can show it if you want. I just started scrolling through the icon themes and I have no idea why some of these even exist.

There is a My Little Pony icon theme. Yeah, I know. When you go to that rabbit hole, you'll find a lot of weird shit. I am sending you a screenshot of the XRCE version if you want to show it. Ooh!

That does look nice. Ignore the icons in the dock. Plank is refusing for some reason to reload the theme. But once I build the ISO, itank is refusing for some reason to reload the theme. Yeah. But once I build the ISO, it's going to be fixed. For some reason, it's stuck on the old icon theme cache, although we uninstalled the old icon theme, but thank being Plank.

Hasn't been maintained in years. Excessive. Yeah, you expect such. You know. Those are the brown icon themes we're talking about they look way better and they're more complete yeah those actually do look kind of nice

huh yeah Tela comes to the rescue always we have a Dracula rise for the KDE version we use a Dracula color scheme of Tela. Did I forget to mention that the upcoming KDE release will be

a Cat Poutine puke? I don't know what you just said. Not Cat Poutine, right? The Cat Poutine theme. The Cat Poutine... It's like Dracula. It's as big as Dracula. If not bigger. I don't know what that...

What? Am I uncultured? It's cat poutine. It's cat poutine. They have a website. Okay. Okay. Let's have a look here. I'll send you a link.

Yes, please do. Capuchin-website.versal.app Whatever that is. That's the official website. Capuchin is a community driven pastel theme that aims to be the middle ground between low and high contrast themes. I, okay.

I am so out of the loop with what themes are popular, what themes exist. My theme is Nord, modified five years ago, and I've never thought about it since. So I have no idea what people are using. I'm using Layen

and I haven't moved away from it. Every year on the anniversary because this release will be the second anniversary release. I can't believe I've been doing this for two years. Oh wow. But it will be the second anniversary release. I can't believe I've been doing this for two years. Oh, wow. But it will be the second anniversary release.

Every year, I completely change the look. Gotta keep it fresh. Now I'm sending you a few screenshots. Okay. To tease. I'm just pasting them in the chat. Because there are a couple. Okay.

Wow. I like. Somebody is working on the ASCII code for terminal right now for zero Linux. And they're sending a screenshot. But yeah. Meet and.. Why are there no pictures of it?

All right. Michael, why are there no? So. OK, uh... This is the upcoming release. It's done. I'm just waiting for May 15th to release it. That is way

cleaner than what was happening before. Yep, it's Katpuchin puke, as I call it. It's a different look. It's definitely a different look. It's using Katpuchin mold. Moka mold. Sorry, moka mold. Because there's latte, mcha, macchiato.

Yeah, latte, frappe, macchiato, and mocha. Yeah. Okay. Different iterations of each as well. Of course there is. And for sake of consistency, if you look, we go Calamaris to Grub all the way to the desktop, lock screen

what do you call it SDDM everything has a consistent look it doesn't move it doesn't budge the one thing I don't like I think most of it looks good the one thing that feels out of place

to me is the text being used in the bar. Which one? In, like, the title bar. I'm not... Upstairs, where there's the clock and everything? Yeah, yeah, where that is, yeah. That's the one... I don't know what font you would use instead,

but that just... Something about that just stands out to me that feels out of place. That's constructive criticism. I might look what other font I can use, yeah. But everything else, I think... I think everything else comes together really well, but that one...

Especially because a lot of stuff is, like, really curved, that one feels a bit too business-y. I don't know if that makes any sense. Yeah, I know what you mean. I know what you mean. Yeah, it's finished. I might just modify that before release if I find the font. Because the font that was used in screenshots was used for the wallpapers and stuff was used in GIMP.

Or what was it? The other one. What's the other application? I forgot. Freda? It's not me who made them. I have a guy contributing. He created the images.

Ah, okay. Even the image, the desktop that says second anniversary, all these lines, he created. It took him a day to create, but he created it. Because it's a lot of lines. If I show you the work he's been doing, it's crazy. But he created there. I think he used the font that we got from a website

We downloaded a separate font From a website But yeah You notice the consistency The color scheme is across the board Yeah Icons are across the board So

What makes Zero Linux different than other distros Is the consistency because a lot other distros is the consistency. Because a lot of distros, with the exception of Manjaro, because Manjaro are consistent because they haven't changed a theme in like 20 years. Well, they added the different, what they call it, dynamic wallpapers. That's all they changed in their 20 years. But Zero Linux, every year it will change look, and it will always be consistent.

People know what to expect. It took consistency to another level where we made every release. So KDE, GNOME, and XFCE have a bar on top, a dock at the bottom. That's the Zero Linux layout. Not the theming. The theming is different across the spins, a dock at the bottom. That's the zero Linux layout. Not the theming. The theming is different across spins, but the main layout is the same.

If you manage to have a consistent theme across everything. You might do that at some point. That seems like a lot of work. The problem is you cannot theme GDM. There is an cannot theme GDM. Right.

There is an app called GDM Settings, but that's a hack. Right. I'm not going to use hacks on Zero Linux. Xfce uses LightDM. LightDM is not SDDM, so we cannot do exactly the same things. Because different things use different apps, different release, desktop environments use different apps, it cannot

be as consistent. But we aim for consistency with every release. Each release will be very consistent with itself. Even Calamaris, if you notice, everything became on top.

We no longer have a vertical... The first screenshot I sent, you see Calamares. Now it has a horizontal tab menu. I didn't realize that was still Calamares. Oh, that looks really nice, actually. Yeah, so Calamares now has a horizontal tab system instead of a vertical one. It doesn't feel like Calamares anymore. No, it looks completely different.

Calamares is really cool and a really useful project. But I just need to say that Calamares looks absolutely awful. It's really badly themed it's very functional but i just don't like the look what's been done here looks really good i was uh that's why i made it look like that because i was in the same boat as you i was like it looks like crap It's got a vertical thing. Yeah. We need to change it a little bit. And I need to

shout out, what's her name? Dem on the Calamaris group on Telegram. Without her, I wouldn't have been able to do this. She pointed everything I needed to figure out. It's only one line. it's only one line.

It's only one line. That's good. It's like horizontal. Sorry, top instead of side. You set the vertical, you set it to top, it automatically makes it horizontal. Because that's Calamaris 3.3, not Calamaris 3.2. Right.

3.3 completely changed. Yeah. She showed me how to do it because she did it first, and she does it even better. And there was a poll recently on the Calamaris group. Did they include music in the installer? Cracked software anyone Piracy

Installers anyone Razer 1911 Anyone Core ISO anyone Dude Doing that because they used to They used to embed games In calamaris a game you can

Play like tetris or whatever. Okay. While the system was installing. Endeavor did that at some point and they stopped it. I'm like, no. Don't let the user touch anything while the system is installing. Because if anything goes wrong. So, yeah.

No. They wanted to show the power of Color Morris. You can embed anything, whatever you want in it. It doesn't matter. You can even embed a YouTube video. It would be interesting because that doesn't require

user input. You could just blast your distro in front of it. The user will start the installation. he wants to get up and then suddenly he hears video playing i'm like oh what the hell it's funny calamaris is funny but under the hood i need i need to admit one thing it's still not good enough under the hood like when it comes to encryption you have to do manual partitioning. If you do auto-partitioning, encryption is not so great. And ZFS needs a lot of work.

There's a lot of users who use ZFS. I don't. But there's a lot of users who use ZFS for their NAS storage or whatever. It's still funky in Calamares. So for advanced installs, I recommend users to do a regular Arch install, because the Arch install is on the ISO. Even on Zero Linux, it's there.

So I don't remove that package. So users, if they don't want to to uh to use calamaris they can opt to use arch install the only thing is they will end up with regular arch they won't end up with zero linux right because i didn't program it that way uh but they can still install pure arch using the arch install using zero linux iso have you. Have you looked into whether you can make a zero Linux install fit into Arch install or just it would be too much work? Yes.

Actually, Eric Dubois shows how to do that. Okay. You can modify the scripts. I know you can modify. I just wasn't sure if it was too much work to get it done. I can modify that. But I just wasn't sure if it was too much work to get it done. I can modify that, but I'm not about that. I don't want to

encourage... I just tell people you want pure Arch, because a lot of users come and tell me, we don't want zero Linux, but I downloaded zero Linux, so I want just pure install. Okay, you have the Arch install script, just run it. It's right there. Go to a TTY and run it. You would get a pure Arch

and then you select whichever does. Someone on the community, on the Zero Linux community, is trying to do exactly what you just said. Trying to embed Arch install with Zero Linux. At this point, they have their selection

of whatever they want to install. They want to install GNOME, i3, BSBWM, whatever. Those I will not have any customizations for. But if they choose to install GNOME, XFCE, or KDE, they will come with my customization. Okay. So he's trying to work on that. Whenever it happens, it happens. He's doing it on his free time.

He has university right now. Fair enough. And all that. But this is what he's trying to do it might happen if it happens i'm gonna announce it if it doesn't but yeah i'm working as hard as i can i'm crunching every moment i have power on zero linux and trying to do those meetups and my weekly podcast on Saturday. I have my podcast. Immediately after that, I have Matt's podcast because I'm a guest host on his podcast now.

Oh, that's cool. I have two podcasts, one after the other, crunching those because Saturday they give us six hours of power because it's the weekend. because Saturday they give us six hours of power because it's the weekend. So I use those six hours to, uh, to do as much,

as much damage as I can, as they say. Uh, and, uh, Sunday, of course it's family day. I cannot do anything.

Uh, by the way, happy Easter. Oh, thank you. Yeah. I celebrate. Yeah. My birthday fell on Easter this year as well.

That was on the Sunday. Yeah, Sunday. Sunday fun day. And it was really fun day. I did absolutely nothing. I'd already seen my family the weekend before because they were going away like for that weekend but

I'm 25 now when you get into your 40s. Yeah a Birthday becomes just another number. I have not cared about my birthday since I turned 18. So nothing really changes for me Well for me since I turned 40 I'm like changes for me well for me since i turned 40 i'm like what does that mean 42 43 44 50 doesn't mean anything uh 50 sounds a bit scary oh 50 dude if you see my dad he's like 70 75 he still jumps like a rabbit. That's good then. Knock on wood. He's quite a healthy person. But it depends on the person, of course. Not everybody ages the same. And different areas of the world, they age differently.

Depends on the weather. Depends on pollution. It depends on a million things but me i am thanks to linux and i'm gonna say this on the bottom of my heart like linux is the only thing keeping me sane some people people say Linux turns me insane because it's constantly tweaking and fixing. And, well, if you're in a country that is in a bad situation like mine, it's the only thing that will keep you sane. Right, right.

I keep working on zero Linux. I keep learning new stuff uh testing new things uh always tweaking always doing that's time away from the news and all the negativity that surrounds me and and everything so yeah it's it's it's i i need linux in my life right now i without it, I'm completely cuckoo. Yeah, I think it's definitely a good idea to have... Oh, sorry. Yeah, go ahead.

I was going to say, some people say, like, you know, escapism isn't a good thing. You should probably just face the problem. But there are some problems you can't really face. There are some times where, you you know a problem is too big and it is a good idea to have some time away from it and just focus entirely on something else that you know you enjoy and it's just time away where you can just forget that all of that's happening forget that all of that's happening.

Exactly. And I love Linux. And when people say, I updated this, it broke everything. I hate Linux. No, by breaking and you trying to fix, you're learning. All that is knowledge that you're gaining.

So like me, I used to run a computer store, which I had to close due to the situation. That's why I need as much help as possible. So if you have a computer store, that's knowledge for you to potentially fix a customer's computer. Like I learned that I had an accident because of the Pipewire issue that happened to me a few days ago because of an update, I realized that because I had this extra line in the Pipewire.conf in my home directory, it was causing Pipewire to go on a loop.

That's always fun. The more you learn, the more you learn is good. the more you learn the more you learn is good that's why I need to keep Zero Linux alive it's a passion project it's no longer a hobbyist project

it's growing it gets a lot of community support I can no longer call it I'm not allowed anymore to call it a hobbyist bistro because if it was a hobby it was it would have been only me right now since a lot of people uh are helping and it's getting a lot of uh donations to keep it alive i need to remove the hobbyist part uh and who knows maybe in the future uh i might grow to a certain and here's what people think people think like if i stop if i no longer can

maintain the distro i'm gonna kill it no i'm not we'll find a replacement person that will take care of it and keep it alive after that i'm not gonna kill the project it's too good to kill and then from there on they can make it grow whichever way they want but the zero linux name should remain i will give away the domain name the website whatever but as long as it lives on uh i'm not like those maintainers that oh okay I'm leaving the project and they kill it, like Solus, for example. Yeah, I did hear about Solus recently. I heard about the DistriWatch page

being deleted, but I didn't know it pretty much hadn't been maintained for ages anyway, so... Since two years. They haven't released an ISO in two years. Oh, okay. Yeah, that explains it. Their forums have been down since November. But there was a lady in the team that says,

it's not dead, it's just dormant. Because the guy who created, founded Solus left the project, and he left everyone in the lurch, not knowing how to... And they have a limited package repository, so it's not like they have access to Arch repositories or whatever. All right, because they're an independent distro, aren't they? They are an independent distro, aren't they? They are an independent distro, yeah.

It is kind of sad to see... They use their own package manager, EOPKG. Yeah. It is kind of sad to see, like... You know, there's not that many independent distros out there. Really, there's, like... What, we have... I can tell you of one, only in my mind.

KOS. Well, obviously, you've Arch, Debian, Gentoo, sorry. Arch, Debian, Gentoo, Void. Oh yeah, those. Yeah, there's very few. Yeah. Void.

Yeah. TBSD. Alpine. Oh, but those are not Linux. Those are not Linux. There's like five of them. There's like five independent distros. Yeah, but within those

there are independent distros that don't depend on Arch repositories or anything like KOS. They have their own. You got CacheOS. You got many that don't, like Manjaro, for example,

they have their own forks of the Arch repositories that they maintain. Right, but Manjaro is still based on the Arch repos. It's just a delayed version of the Arch repos. Delayed, so they maintain their own fork of the Arch repositories, just like

KOS and cache EOS. They take the packages from the Arch repos, just like KOS and CacheOS. They take the packages from the Arch repos, freeze them, and they control which versions they ship. Yeah, Ubuntu does the same thing with Debian as well. A lot of people suggested that for Zero Linux.

That's a lot of work. Yeah. KDE sometimes ships a lot of broken packages. Why don't you fork KDE all the I don't know 1200 KDE packages and maintain them yourself I was like

when you have when I get more than 12 hours of power a day I might just do that well the other problem is if I get only four hours every day with six hours on Saturday, I can't do that.

The other problem is hosting breakers like that is very expensive. Yeah. Also, I was... As I was talking to Bux3, I was like, what if I fork the Hyperland? He was like, yeah, go ahead.

It's a recommended way of doing it. Because he pushes commits like a drunk person, as I call it. That's the one way to put it. All the time, commits, commits, commits, commits, commits, commits, commits, commits, commits. I was like, I want to create two forks, one on the dev portal and one on the public portal. Dev portal is where I test everything.

If it's stable-ish, I push to the stable one. And then I continue doing that. And then I saw it move to the Arch repositories. I was like, okay, no need to do that. I'll use the Arch repository one. Because from what Vuxery told me, it's the one they push the least amount of commits to. And because it's not getting the it's

not getting the latest commits directly so it's usable it's more usable than the git version so it was like don't use the git version that's a bad idea don't use the git version and if i would if i would release a hyper zero i will I will, for NVIDIA users, if they start asking, I'm going to tell them, there is this package, go to the wiki. And he was very, and Vuxery was like, okay, create the HyperZero and link people to our Discord for support. But in my head, I was thinking, your Discord is

super technical. New users are going to go there, and it's as if they're reading trying to read Klingon language. Because all the people there are so knowledgeable, and they're so geeky and nerdy and into that.

Maybe new users will get overwhelmed. So I don't know. I need to balance the two, but I'm going to send users at first to their Discord. If I get complaints that they can't understand anything, I'm going to say, well, that's all I can do. I don't understand Hyperland. I don't use Hyperland. You. But they will ask me, why did you create Hyperland if you're not going to support it?

I'm like, I only created it because you were asking for a window manager. Yeah, yeah. Whatever. I'm sure they're going to tell me, so why didn't you go with i3 or bsbwm or whatever something more usable like because it's zero linux you don't come to zero linux and get the standards yeah come to zero linux everybody ships you want you want you want something usable not super special go to archcraft archcraft has i3, BSBWM, DWM, whatever. All X11 based.

Linux is special. The chip's a special window manager. Then for support, special support. Directly to the creators. Go directly to the creators. I'm like that. I don't want to do things that other people do, because

what would differentiate me? Zero Linux KDE edition, Xfce edition, and GNOME edition are basically standard desktop environments with just the zero hello tool and the rice on top. Yeah. That's it. Two packages that make Zero linux what it is people think it's a complete different thing but it's a reality it's a rice that's the hello tool that allows you to tweak or fix like in my hello tool i have the key fix that allows you to fix all the Arch Linux key issues when you update the database. It gives you the signature key expired, whatever, whatever, whatever. This is a fix for that. Sometimes you're downloading and you're updating your system.

The update is slow. You just update the Arch Linux mirrorless. I have a button for that. You want to use ZSH, mirrorless. I have a button for that. You want to use ZSH, not Bash. There's a button to switch with all my ZSH and power level 10K. People who love Bash but don't like the regular look of Bash, there's all my Bash, and so on and so forth. It's a lot of tweaking like that that users love about my tool.

They don't have to, because they're new users, they like to click a button, let it do its thing. So I'm like them. That's why I created it. I like to click a button and have it do everything.

I know I wrote the whole scripts behind it and spent days and hours reading on how to do that. But once you do it it's easy click click that's awesome

like the Manjaro hello tool it's mostly links to their forums that's nothing nothing special link to a forum post link to a forum post, link to a forum post, link to a forum post. And links to settings

inside the desktop. I don't like that. It's like open settings and go browse. Why have a shortcut to everything? I understand it can be easier for users to get there. They don't want to look. For me, it's just offer something outside the box,

not within the box. Yep, yep, yep. So yeah, I'm working on all these things on ZeroLinux while learning more about Linux, but I don't read much. That's why I love your videos, because you give me some of the information I need in video form.

Mm-hmm. And the video you created about theming, what... Not theming. The underlying things of KDE. Oh, that one. Yeah, that one. Yeah. That one was really interesting, because I didn't know what went into actual theming

and which applications use, what themes use. For anyone who hasn't seen the video, the answer is it's a mess. There's like five different things that will go into it. That's, that's, that, I wanted to say, that explains why a lot of themes are broken. Theme one, they use this, but they don't use the fallback.

How do they ignore the fallback? I don't get it. In your video, you said that there's a fallback system where, if they, if they don't have that part it falls back to yes If they don't have the K Color scheme, I think it was yes if you're on a desktop that isn't of K color scheme Which is anything that isn't KDE it falls back to breeze But breeze is a light theme So if you're using a dark theme and the default is falling back to breeze Then you can have this mix and match of a light using a dark theme and the default is falling back to breeze, then you're going to have this mix and

match of a light and a dark theme. Yeah, so a lot of themes have this issue. They fall back to breeze and it's half white, half light, half... But breeze does have breeze dark. Yeah, but it defaults to the light version, so...

Yeah, it defaults to the light version. That's why sometimes you apply a theme, they have to ship both. The Aurorae, as they call it in KDE. Aurorae, whatever, Aurora. They have to ship both. So one is to fall back, if it falls back to Breeze light light to breeze light theme aurora will

bounce it back somehow it's a little it's a big mess it's a big big mess uh like with a cat poutine theme as you saw in uh pictures it's very well done it's a it's a theme like dracula dracula and cat poutine and a couple of others, I forgot their names, they do everything correctly on the KDE side. On the GTK side... Okay, I have one bad thing to say about one of your videos. Your reaction video to DT. When you reacted to his video

and you just went to the GNOME Look or whatever website and you said, okay, GTK4 themes do exist. You should have done your research better on that one because GTK4 themes that do exist they're using hacks.

A shit ton of hacks. Right, but that doesn't change what I'm... I don't think there's anything wrong with relying on hacks to theme something. Dude, you're talking to a distro maintainer here. They break immediately. It's worse than KDE.

They break immediately with an... If the application that's being themed gets an update. Because of the hacks.'s like gradients right but gnome theme is generally broken anyway so well gt no g up to gtk3 it was good it was very good 4 theming was good and works well but it definitely like gtk4 theming is absolutely there it It's very clunky GTK 4 is very clunky because they're trying to bypass the Libra Dwight limitations and like for example

Application in Libra Dwight have rounded semi rounded corner in some areas with a radius of I think 16 8 or 16 I forget no 8 They with a radius of, I think, 16, 8 or 16. I forget. No, 8, I think. 8 is the default. They have a radius of 8. You apply a GTK4 theme, sometimes some GTK4 themes, what happens is they grow horns. So they switch from rounded to corner, 90 degree corners. And you get this annoying shadow that they cannot fix because it's a hack.

When you're dragging windows, you get this annoying shadow that, OK, your window is on this screen, but the shadow is stuck on that one. Or it jumps. So it's not a smooth animation. It's because they're using hacks. We can say GTK4 themes exist

and leave it at that. If you dig deep, you will start... I cannot recommend a GTK4 theme for a Libid Vita-based app because it's broken. It's more broken than GTK4 theme for a Libetvita-based app because it's broken. It's more broken than GTK3 ever was. Because they're using hack.

And Gradients is a hack on top of a hack on top of a hack on top of a hack. So what they do in Gradients is create a CSS that overrides another CSS. So I'm like, users want accent colors. So they're using accent colors. If you use accent colors extension with Gradients app, it's

an override on top of an override on top of an override. So, yeah. When it comes to GNOME, well, they work-ish. And it introduces a lot of, because they're hack on top of a hack

on top of a hack, when you're dragging Windows around with GTK4 themes and LividVita themes, you're going to notice that it's not as responsive because hack on top of a hack on top of a hack. So that introduces jitter, whatever it's called, into your dragging of stuff. I tried.

Because Zero Linux is all about the eye candy. It used to be called the eye candy lover's wet dream. That was a tagline for Zero Linux. But if I can't ship that on GNOME, it no longer applies. Because I'm limited with Libid Vita. That's why on the Zero Linux GNOME edition, it's Libid Vita dark. And I need to explain one thing. There was a review of Zero Linux where a edition, it's LibidVita Dark. And I need to explain one thing. There was a review of Zero Linux

where a guy pointed out that for a distro that talks about consistency, there's inconsistency when launching GDK apps. Which I will have to say, if it's a LibidVita app, it falls back to LibidVita Dark. Because the lay-in theme that I ship currently on Xero Linux, he stopped developing, maintaining the Layin GTK theme

because of LibidVita. He was like, instead of shipping hacks, I'll leave it at that. GTK3 and GTK3 only. So if it's a gtk4 libidwaita app it will fall back to libidwaita dark good thing that i set it to dark or else you will be blinded by the light theme because by default libidwaita is at light i think the problem with libidwaita is so okay if you go back and look at like you know um light themes in windows xp windows vista things like that they weren't blindingly bright i think the problem with libadwaiter is they try

to get as close to white as possible stop it there are other light colors that are not just blindingly white use a light gray use a light brown use something that isn't white yeah uh why does everything default to light i don't get it i don't know breeze defaults to light light delivered by that to light come on people the age of light is gone but uh yeah so gnome and i'm it's out of my hands you you still want to customize zero linux gnome edition go ahead but if you break it it's on you uh xfce on the other hand it's gtk 2 slash 3 right you can theme as much as you want out of it. It will work. It's GTK apps. If you try to use Qt apps on XFCE, then you're going to run into issues because XFCE is very opinionated

when it comes to its library. You use Qt 5 CT and Qt 6 CT to be able to theme Qt apps, but don't expect them to be working correctly. It's like using Qt apps on GNOME 44 right now. So stick to GTK apps on, and most applications you install via the Flatpak are all GTK apps based app.

But here's the thing i want to ask you sure do you agree with this uh with this hypothesis that when you watch the nicolo video you're gonna understand because he mentions it the gnome uh apps circle of apps because they have the GNOME Circle the GNOME Circle apps are better than the KDE Circle apps which is KDE Gear in KDE land it's called KDE Gear

do you agree that the GNOME ones are much more polished than the KDE ones I can't are much more polished than the KDE ones. Let's see if you're going to say the same thing I did. I don't have enough experience messing around with the applications to really say one way or the other.

So you're the wrong person to ask that question. Yeah, I might be the wrong person to ask. From what I, like, my brief, like, look at it, it seems like they, it seems like they're more, like, one thing Kdenome has going for it, because everything is, you know, based around LibEdWaiter, everything seems more consistent. That's for sure. Coherent and consistent. Yeah, coherent and consistent. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I do agree. I do agree. agree uh the reason kde's apps are so all over the place is because okay they're using the same libraries qt libraries uh using qt libraries uh willy-nilly it's like not like uh because here's the thing that kde need to learn from GNOME. Have guidelines. Have strict guidelines. They do have guidelines. KDE is very loose. They have guidelines. It's just, you don't have to They're very loosey-goosey.

Yeah. Sometimes being strict does good things. Even a GNOME developer like Nicolo is envious of that. So it should be a sign for KDE developers

to get their act together once Qt 6 is out. I'm not saying immediately, just after Qt 6 is out. To make KDE more attractive, set strict guidelines a little bit. I'm not saying be as strict as GNOME, because if you become strict as GNOME, people will hate you. But you need to be a little bit more strict, because that way, your apps are going to be more consistent. But the problem

I used to have with KDE is everything was based on the breeze. Every app that was created for KDE was breeze, breeze, breeze, breeze, breeze. Because this is their internal theme. Yeah. Yeah. This is the only theme they maintain. because this is their internal theme this is the only theme they maintain so there's oxygen but oxygen died a long time ago right? I don't remember

I couldn't tell you when that disappeared oxygen I think is still there but less maintained than breeze. Breeze is their main so they base everything

on the only thing they maintain. Last they were released was five years ago. Yeah, so. But well, just be consistent with that. I'm not asking you to be inconsistent. Just be consistent

with that. Like GNOME are consistent with their colors, with their colors, with their circle set of applications. And like I said on my podcast, people think that I only use KDE. Sometimes I get so overwhelmed with KDE, I need to fire up my GNOME virtual machine

just to get a little bit of peace. Because it's just works like with kde is like dolphin sometimes you right click to to git pull or git whatever because i have the git plugins installed in in, it just decides to crash Nautilus Nautilus does not do that There's a lot of things that are Okay, GNOME just works GNOME just works The moment you start installing a ton of

Extensions, you're introducing Instability into a stable OS, that's a known fact. There are a few extensions that will always work. I'm not talking about BlurMyShell and Dash2Dock because those two

are questionable. But other plugins like Faeen and GSConnect, they will always work because they update their extensions to work with the next major version a week before, during the beta stages. So don't install too many extensions.

Use GNOME as. For me, GNOME is Mac OS. To use it as it was intended to be used without modifying it, it's going to be super stable. I'm not talking about the Wayland part of things. I'm talking about the X11 part of things. When you go to Wayland, then because Wayland itself is incomplete

as of today's video, you're going to introduce a lot of instability. Right. If you stick to X11, which is tried and true and works, you're not going to have any issues. So I'm like, I consider 0G. 0G is the more stable version of 0 Linux because it uses GNOME. Just tell users,

do not go willy-nilly installing extensions. You start installing extensions, it's on you, you're introducing instability to GNOME. GNOME is meant to be used that way and that way only. What about all the extensions that you added? Those... I tell users, That way only. What about all the extensions that you added? Those.

I tell users. Like I told my users. Node44 is coming on Arch. Disable dash to dock. Disable blur my shell. I told them to disable a certain amount of extensions. Okay. That makes sense. Because the way I include extensions on Zero Linux.

I build them from AUR. I build them from the extensions website. And I ship also extensions manager because even if it's installed from the AUR, you can still update it from the extension manager. Because the extension manager does not care where you installed your extensions from. extensions from. That's the neat part of that application. So, disable those applications once the Node44 gets released.

Only update, enable them one by one and see if they still work. If they don't work, it's a process of elimination. Enable, it breaks, disable. Enable, it works, keep it enabled. That's it.

That's all that needs to be done. But yeah. I included 13 different extensions. Mm-hmm. Hey, hey, hey. Mm-hmm. That's a lot of extensions. That's a lot.

I know. Yeah. It's the... I'll tell you which they are No, not this one ISOs and tools 0G I include

Arc menu, GS connect, blur my shell Dash to dock, caffeine Pop shell Cover flow alt tab Clipboard indicator Gestures improvement Gesture improvements Pop shell, cover flow alt tab, clipboard indicator, gestures improvement. Gesture improvements, that's the one that mimics the gestures from Wayland to X11.

Arch Linux updates indicator and rounded window corner. Oh, the rounded has to be disabled for Node 44 because it hasn't been updated yet uh arch linux update indicator i am in talks with the developer so he said it's ready for gnome44 gesture improvement just got updated for gnome44 clipboard indicator it doesn't it's a version agnostic it It's just enabling Clipman. Basically. GNOME clipboard, whatever. Coverflow alt tab works. It just got updated for GNOME

44. PopShell as well. And that's weird because PopShell is Rust now. 100% Rust. Because it's PopOS and PopOS moving to Rust with their new desktop

environment. I'm curious to see what's going to happen with PopShell when they actually do shift over. I just built an update last night and it's all Rust. It pulls from Create.io. No, what I'm saying is, because they're working

on their Cosmic DE, which is separate from GNOME, I'm very curious to see what's going to happen maybe a year or two from now when they're getting ready to start actually shipping that on their desktop. PopShell is still

TypeScript. I'll tell you something about PopShell. It ships as a dependency a power tool. A pop power menu, pop power tools or something like that. It's weird because it's a battery monitoring thing. Why does it have it as a dependency? But I ship it because it is part of it.

So, yeah, that's ready for GNOME 44. They already pushed the... Yeah, that makes sense. The version upgrade. Because they'd be working on... The campaign is agnostic. They'd be getting ready for Pop!OS 23.04, which would be sometime, maybe? I don't know. Or they'll be getting ready for 23.04, which would be sometime, maybe? I don't know.

Or they'll be getting ready for 23.10 at some point. Will they? Oh, I don't think so. Well, come on. The Cosmic D is not going to be ready for quite a while. For another three years, at least. They might as well update to 2304.

Yeah, I don't know what... It doesn't matter. Dash to dock and burn my shell need to be disabled and tested. I don't know. We didn't get Nome44 on Arch yet. I can't test.

Well, I can if I install the unstable branch. Yeah. We both know what unstable means. Unstable. Yeah, yeah. And the Arch menu has been already updated for GNOME 44. So I removed gradients and GDM settings. Because GDM settings is a hack,

and now GDM is transparent and shows the desktop wallpaper blur. Oh, that's good. So no need to customize that. And gradients is just a hack. I don't want to give people a hack to enable on top of a hack. They can install it from the AUR if they wish. And I went a level above. I don't ship. You know how all Arch-based distros ship PAMAC as their GUI?

Uh-huh. Yeah. I decided to ship GNOME software. Wow. I wanted to stick as close to GNOME As possible Because think about it This is how my mind works You're getting an inside feed

Into my mind Uh huh GNOME is meant to be stable Sure If I ship PAMAC I'm going to have access to Unstable or Packages they don't know what to do with. Sure. Whereas

Gnome Package Manager does not show you AUR packages. Uh-huh. So you can only install AUR if you type yay or whatever. You should know what you're installing. AUR if you type yay or whatever. You should know what you're installing. So, I hide somewhat the AUR

from users on the GNOME edition so they don't break GNOME. What do you offer on the KDE version? I don't know. I'm talking about GNOME. But what do you offer on the KDE version? It's PAMAC.

On KDE it's PAMAC and on XFde it's pamac and on xfce it's pamac but on gnome specifically gnome because i want it to be the more stable version of zero annex where users don't have the the wild wild west access to the wild wild west if they want access to the wild wild west there is a utility but not everybody knows what it is only the people who know what it is they want access to the Wild Wild West, there is a utility, but not everybody knows what it is. Only the people who know what it is, they will click on the icon in the dock and launch it. It's called PackSeek. You made a video about PackSeek a while

ago. Way back when. I think because you mentioned it, actually. Yeah, it's Menson. The developer is Mason, Menson mason uh from uh manjaro oh no not manjaro endeavor endeavor yeah so it's a neat tui utility so if they want to install from the aur it's there they just don't know if they they don't know about the aur they're not going to click on it and mess their system up. But it's there.

My whole goal with zero G is you want something that doesn't move too much and won't break. Just use zero G. Unfortunately, I set the minimum RAM requirement to 8, so those people with potato laptops will not be able to install it, because let's be realistic here. Okay, if you can run GNOME with 600 megabytes out of the box, using on a cold boot 600 megabytes, let's say. Somebody made a miracle and made it use only 600 megabytes of code. Right, right. Made a miracle and made it use only 600 megabytes of code. Right, right. Are you going to be using 600 megabytes all the time?

Only? No. Just launch your browser. Exactly. Launch your browser. Yeah, yeah. Open your tabs. You're already at 2 gigabytes.

Right there and then. Yeah, yeah. So people are being unrealistic here. They say, I want, no, no, can use only 600 megabytes. Yeah, on cold boot without you running anything. But if you run anything, it's going to start using up. Okay, when they say 600 megabytes on cold boot, it's better than two gigabytes on cold boot.

Because if it uses 2 gigabytes on cold boot they have access to less memory when this is gnome we're talking about gnome is notorious for using at least a gigabyte on cold boot between 800 and 1 gigabyte on cold boot we couldn't get get it to run at less. We tried. If we wanted to ship you a broken GNOME, we would have, but we don't want to ship a broken GNOME. So it's going to use one gigabyte. Because I'm realistic, I know that when they open a browser, it's going to use this.

I cannot set the installer to allow you to install it on a 2GB system, because at which point your swap memory has to be like 32GB, because you have so little RAM that you need 32GB of swap memory to be able to function correctly. Like, no, I need to be realistic.

You need to have a minimum of 8. 4GB might be possible and usable, correctly like nah i need to be realistic you need to have a minimum of eight four gigabytes might be possible and usable but it'd be very much pushing it which eight gigabytes no four gigabytes uh the four gigabytes yeah four gigabytes i tried it on on a virtual machine with four gigabytes it became unresponsive after opening um i opened up the usual applications i opened which is my browser yeah uh webcord uh the the file manager and uh terminal for applications i was pushing it i was using 3.7 gigabytes oh yeah okay so i'm like nah i'm realistic eight gigabytes minimum you i don't have eight gigabytes like

yesterday i had a user on my discord telling me i have a single core system with four gigabytes uh which version of zero nix can i install i was like none the hunt for a window manager or stick to the tto hawaii maybe xfc will run but you know But that single core system Realistically it will run and then will crash The RAM's not the problem It's the CPU Like 4GB is totally fine It's gonna lag like crazy

I told him use a window manager Or stick to the TTY I was like okay I'm going to ArcCode DWM Okay it's a window manager. Yeah, that'll work. DWM, I think, uses around 350 megabytes out of the box. So it's pretty good.

And this window manager, what people don't understand is window managers are desktop environments. They just don't contain the rest of the desktop environment. It's just desktop environment with all the GUI stuff pulled away. So you're basically in a terminal all the time. Or TUIs, basically. You're in TUIs all the time. Some people go the extra length, like you do, for example.

Your file manager switches between Thunar and on Awesome, I guess. It used to be on Awesome. So your file manager switches between... PC Man FM. PC Man FM. It's confusing because they look the same. Yeah, they look the same.

So your PC Man FM, you switch between PCMAN-FM and terminal-based one. Yeah. So, if you want to run on a potato laptop, you would go TUI 100% of the time. 100% of the time. That way, you'll be using maximum of one game maximum of one game because i know a user he's funny he's the one who made me aware of that okay he uses a tui browser you know dt how he keeps showing us his org stuff. He works on those in Terminal with Emacs and stuff. Emacs, Doom, Doom Emacs.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He browses the internet. He's like, it's distraction-free browsing. He watches his YouTube in the Terminal. Oh, not terminal. He has an RSS feed in terminal with something called... I'll tell you what it's called. And then does he load the video with MPV or something like that?

Yeah. Yeah, okay. I forgot the name of it, but it's an app. I don't have it here. Anyway, it's an app that he pulls. It shows him the RSS feed in terminal, and then he clicks. It opens an MPV. He lives his life in terminal.

He's got six screens, six monitors, and all his monitors. And to fill up the empty monitors, he pulls up bash pipes, C-Matrix, TreeFetch, FM6000. I'm like, okay. That's taking it to the extremes. And he showed me how many gigabytes he was using from his RAM. He was using 1.3 gigabytes with all these open. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. So, okay.

If I wanted users to go to the extremes, I would have called it 0.1 Extreme Edition, Extremely Light Edition. I'm like, you can. He was just telling me that you can if there's a will there's a way you can you can you can do it but nah it's it's too much it's stretching it too much uh 1.3 gigabytes and he had and i was like yeah but you have 128 gigabytes in your system. Why do you want to use only one? Run Virtu Machines and the rest of it.

Yeah, it's like, do you do editing? Do you do After Effects? Do you do any of that? He was like, no. That's all I, what you see is all I do. I was like, so in your case, unused ram is truly wasted ram yeah look unused ram is bloat if you're not using it why do you have it 28 gigabytes what the hell i told him i wish i had your gigabytes but i use 12 gigabytes out of my 13 out of my 32 I'm okay with it. You're using only one and you're afraid to use more than one?

I'm like, um... Then he told me that he uses... He's triple booting with Endeavor OS, Arco Linux, and Manjaro. Right, but is he doing it at the same time? Why do you have 128 gigs? Well, he says on Manjaro, Right, but is he doing it at the same time? Why do you have 128 gigs? Well, he says on Manjaro, he uses approximately

between 6 and 8 gigabytes and whatever. He explained. This is the extreme minimalistic system when I need super quick to do my work. You do all your work in terminal? He was like a minimal you just do me max and everything in terminal i'm like

okay i'm not that kind of person a minimal system on a supercomputer yeah exactly i love it that's awesome anyway we have been talking for two hours already it's getting it's 147 right now so it's getting close to that but if you want to end off the show we can do that well yeah because I need to have breakfast

all good so all I want to say is I will end the thing with, is help Zero Linux survive. And if you have any ideas of what we can do to ameliorate or make Zero Linux better, you can join our Discord.

And we have a section where you can throw out your ideas. And we sure could use some ideas for Zero Linux XFCE. Because the launch date is on May 15th. If you can throw some ideas, rising ideas I'm talking about, our way, that'll be helpful. Because we cannot decide on a rise yet.

Because it's complicated. Somebody who understands XFCE. KDE is done. You've seen the screenshots. GNOME is done. There's only XFCE. It's coming. All three of them will have a new... There will be a new webpage

that I'm working on with someone on Discord. It's going to be when they're released, spins.zerolinux.xyz, where you can select between GNOME and XFCE. A flagship will be on the main page, which is KDE. And those are the projects for the foreseeable future with

the new Zero Hello tool. And that's it. I will draw the line on the upcoming Hyper Zero when the Hyperland edition comes out sometime in 2024 when I can afford a AMDD GPU, that is.

If you want me to support it earlier, help me buy a JMD GPU! Not the shitty one, either. We need a good one so I can flex. We need

to flex. You have the 6700 XD, right? Yes, yes I do. It's a pretty good one, right? Definitely a good one, yes. 400 bucks. You got it for a lot more. I know. Ah, you know.

Aussie dollars. You know, pricing's fun right now. It's better than it was. A little bit. Well, it's not like Voxery who got his for a thousand bucks. That reminds me. There was someone in the comment section

in that video who was picking apart everything that Voxery said. He was like, Voxery's fake. Everything he says is a lie. And it's like this giant essay trying to be like this is wrong this is wrong there's no way he paid this much money how does he know perfect english if he's from poland just like this all of these ridiculous comments that don't make any sense

oh yeah there's a lot of there's a lot of comments like that uh but yeah uh i found it for $349 actually. So if anybody can help me get that one, I'm not asking for the 6900 or the 6950 XT or the 7000 series. Although I would wish for the 7000 series. That would be nice. I'm a future proof person. You buy the good one And it will last you 10 years Not 2 years If you buy something that lasts you only 2 years Then in 2 years you have to spend

So might as well have spent all that money early on You know Got to be smart Smart in the head That's smart Oh Oh Is he gone?

Did we lose him? I think we lost him. What a perfect time. Yeah, I think we just lost him um well uh okay so you guys can go find

zero linux over on the zero linux website I'll leave it linked in the description I froze no you froze what wait uh I'm gonna try leaving the call give me one second uh Freeze? No, you froze. What? Wait. I'm going to try leaving the call. Give me one second. Let's try this.

And... Did I freeze? No, I didn't freeze. Okay. Did I freeze? No, I didn't freeze. Uh, okay. I don't know what's happened here. Something's happened. Um. Anyway, I'm just going to end it. So, check out the Zero Linux website.

You'll be able to find all the stuff on Zero Linux there. I'll leave all of his links in the description down below. So go check all of that stuff out if you want to go and support it. We'll be doing a stream together next week with a bunch of other people. I don't know what is happening yet, so happening yet so I don't think so actually I'll just restart discord will come up hello yeah you're back I don't know how yeah nothing died on my side I think we neither I'm like, wait. I just froze. Yeah, you froze on my side, so I don't know what happened there. That was weird.

You froze on my side, I froze on your side. Yeah. It's Discord being Discord. As of late, with Discord pushing all the features, their video connection thing started taking a dive Because now they have This thing called Channels and roles They pushed that

And now they allow us to monetize They prefer to Be the only people who are allowed To monetize but Their boosting system Their nitro was not working as well as They intended it to be. So they're now charging us a premium when we charge other people.

So they're collecting money on money. Oh, before you just disappear. We can offer tiers on Discord now, like Patreon. Oh, wow. That's cool. But it's not supported in my country, so, as usual. Here's the thing. Outside Lebanon,

our diplomas don't matter. Our driver's licenses don't matter. Nothing matters. Our passports require visas all over the globe. So if you have a Lebanese passport, you need a visa everywhere.

So, yeah, we don't exist. We cannot have PayPal. We cannot have LiberaPay. We cannot have anything online. So we're independent and sitting in our corner being...

I don't want to support anyone. No. That kind of stuff. So I thank the Lord I still have access to my Irish bank account to be able to use Stripe. Oh, that's good then, yeah. So I connect everything to Stripe. That's why I left Patreon,

because Patreon requires you to have a US checking account, base checking account to be able to to Stripe. That's why I left Patreon, because Patreon requires you to have a US checking account, base checking account to be able to use Stripe. Okay. Yeah. Trust me. You go there and you're going to see. In Patreon, you click getting paid services, whatever. They have PayPal and credit card

and what's it called? The other one. The one that didn't accept my papers, my verification papers. Pioneer. So Stripe, I asked them.

They sent me a link. They were like you need a u.s based checking account huh i can use stripe with any other service except yours this is basically the deal they have with stripe sure whatever so i decided to leave patreon and a lot of people from patreon migrated to my uh either to Libera Pay. Someone on Libera Pay paid me a year in advance. Wow. 240 bucks. I'm like, hey, cool.

And Ko-fi. Ko-fi is amazing. If anyone wants to use a system to get donations, use Ko-fi. Because it's a social media network. You can connect with others, follow others, others follow you. You can interact with them, post your updates. Whereas LiberaPay's

website looks like something from the 1990s. Yeah, LiberaPay is a little bit rough. It works, but it's rough. It works somewhat. Matt told me that he's got 61 cents that he has never received. It's been there forever but he never... Because you need to be

I think above 5 bucks a week to be able to receive anything. Well, I'm thankful that I'm at 961 a week. So... But... It's another service that works with Stripe so I'm good.

I wanted to ask you. Does Subscribestar work with Stripe? That's a good question. You're the only one I know that uses Subscribestar. No, I think they got kicked off of Stripe. They use a bunch of other services. I don't have any idea if that would work for you. And the other one, Local. What's Local?

I think Local does Stripe? I'll have to check it out. I'm not certain. No one uses that for me. I just made an account ages back. Yeah. You have Patreon, of you got you got Bitcoin yeah I just threw it in there just in case someone wanted it yeah but how do you do that what

do you mean don't deal with Bitcoin I don't know nothing about it quite so are you do you create a thing to get paid and how do you withdraw the money and you make a wallet people can send money to that address and then you have to like find a market that you can sell on i don't know what markets would exist it's very difficult basically what you're saying it's a very complex uh because i had a i had a i had a someone uh join uh I had someone join LiberoPay, but he wanted to donate in Bitcoin. I was like, Bitcoin with a... No. Very difficult.

Very, very... He tried to convince me, but it's going to take a long time to convince me. Yeah. Yeah. But other than that, thank you for having me uh again uh it's always fun to to talk with you uh and i will always keep watching your videos and i do watch them from beginning to end contributing to your watch time but i don't know how much that matters uh but because you crossed the thing. Thank you for all the information you give us

five times a week. The patience you have to release a video five times a week. I record in bulk. Earlier today, I recorded three videos. It's not like I'm recording and uploading every day. I'm recording stuff all in a group and then spreading it out. I don't know how it's not like i'm recording and uploading every day i'm recording stuff all in a group and

then i know how it's done but uh i i cannot get myself to record one video a day let alone three uh i know it's not multiple days like you take a day you shoot three some other times you shoot four but enough for a week yeah yeah yeah uh so i might start doing that if i have enough content in my head uh but you are uh uh i think you should have you deserve like three million subscribers not three thousand uh but how much ever you have uh i don't look at people's subscriber count because I care about the content, not the subscriber count. Your quality of content deserves millions.

Thank you. Because not everybody puts in the time you do. You do the research and stick by the research. Sometimes the research you do has a contradicting thing on the opposite side, but you do what you do. And then if somebody wants to contradict, they're allowed to. Absolutely, yeah.

But your content is amazing. I am addicted to it. Every night, you know how in the YouTube app, they allow you to download videos to watch them, and then they expire after 48 hours? Yeah. Because I turn everything off at night so i don't have internet at night i the first video i download is yours the very first one is yours thank you if

it but now i have a i have a slight problem with dst not your problem not an issue with you but now because of dst your your videos used to come out at 11 p.m. my time. Right. Now they're coming out at midnight my time. Right. So I'm like, the moment I turn off the internet, like, I don't want to download on 3G. Because we're limited to 100, sorry, to 6 gigabytes a month. 6 gigabytes a month.

So I cannot keep downloading videos on 3G. So I wait a few minutes after midnight before turning off the power because I'm waiting for your video. Thank you. It's worth waiting a few minutes for your video to do it. But yeah, and then I download the random crap just to watch and fall asleep.

Your video, I cannot fall asleep during your videos because they're so interesting. They get my mind, the gears in my brain running. Keep up the great work. Thank you. Before... I'm done. Yeah, before you vanished, I was just mentioning your website and coffee. Is there anything else you wanted to

direct my website coffee uh youtube for a podcast weekly podcast it's called zero bites and now that we have the uh we have the uh membership for the memberships they will get they will have access early access two weeks prior to making the videos public. Whenever I do meetups with you or I'm going to be inviting you soon to my own meetup. Meetups with Nick, you, Voxery. I already recorded the Voxery video. I just need to edit it because my volume was louder than his. Or his was louder than mine.

LinuxTube and all that. All that will be early access two weeks prior. And then after two weeks, they will be made public. Plus the usual perks like the stickers and whatever. And it's only $2.49. So it's a couple of bucks to support the project and we have super thanks and the usuals uh we have libera pay and i'm not and fundraiser sweet and the fundraiser now is no longer a goal-based thing because i reached my goal but used it up already for last month.

So now everything, since when it's just like that, when you're asking for funds, it doesn't reset at any time. It continues going and going and going. Even though you used all the previous funds. So now i'm at 75 bucks and i need to raise a thousand by the 30th so it's gonna be a tough one that's why i invited you guys on the on the thing hopefully we can uh but yeah that's all we got and of course my discord but if you go to my website there's links to everything there okay

and the upcoming release of XFCE so yeah May 15th second anniversary edition two years, Zero Linux will be two years old maybe at three years old it's going to be taking its first steps it's going to take a three years old is going to be taking his first steps

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