TED Talks Daily - Could we replace data centers with … plant DNA? | Cliff Kapono and Keolu Fox

Episode Date: October 21, 2024

Is it possible to meet the world's seemingly infinite demand for data storage while also caring for the natural environment? Biomedical researcher Keolu Fox and professional surfer and scientist Cliff Kapono believe that Indigenous knowledge combined with the science of genetics may offer such a solution: using the DNA of plant cells (like those found in sugar cane) as mini data warehouses. Learn more about the incredible potential of this technology — and how it could help foster ecosystem resilience in a high-tech world.

TED Audio Collective stage, but Cliff Capono and Kiolu Fox brought so much life, knowledge, and love for the land and waters where they spend so much of their time that I hope they're only the start of a wave of surfer speakers to come. In their 2024 talk, these scientists introduced us to a solution to data storage that is rooted in the

indigenous community of Hawaii. Please note that this episode contains some mature language. It's coming up after the break. Support for this show comes from Airbnb. If you know me, you know I love staying in Airbnbs when I travel. They make my family feel most at home when we're away from home. As we settled down at our Airbnb during a recent vacation to Palm Springs, I pictured my own home sitting empty. Wouldn't it be smart and better put to use welcoming a family like mine by

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Oh, brother, you know there's plenty of surfing in there, too. That's true. Those take up their own folder. There's something you should know about Cliff and I. We've known each other forever, and we spend way too much time staring at our phones looking at surf videos. He's one of those screen time people, you know, FaceTime only, won't answer the phone unless he's giving us face-to-face. And if he is texting me, he's asking me to send him updates on what the waves look like or how the waves were. That's true. I love FaceTime. But that's because Cliff here is unique. As the only professional surfer to have a PhD

in analytical chemistry, no less, he gets to spend his time exploring and surfing some of the most incredible waves on the planet. And now that we have the capacity to share that information from anywhere in the world, why wouldn't we? Probably because it's using up all my monthly data, sending him images of what the waves look like whenever I'm on a surf trip. That brings up a good point. We do share and interact with terabytes of data almost every day, some more than others.

Through texts, emails, and now this thing, I don't know if you guys heard about AI, we're entering a new phase of data production, consumption, and probably one of the most challenging issues of our generation, data storage. But we think we have a solution, and the answer is an indigenous one. We believe we can package text, images, and even surf videos in the genomes of living organisms and access them at a later time. Because as Keolu likes to remind me, what's a genome if not a giant hard drive? Our difference is we want to put this information into local plants, sequestering atmospheric CO2

and also reducing the energy required in a rapidly changing climate. You see, the climate crisis has a new problem. Data centers are rapidly contributing to this climate crisis. And data forecasters estimate that by next year, there will be over 50 billion IoT devices connected to one another, generating over 80 billion terabytes of information. And to put things into context, that new iPhone in your pocket, that can hold a total of around one terabyte of information. But we're not just storing information on our phones anymore.

We're uploading them onto that cloud, wherever it is. And heat is a byproduct of cloud storage. It's estimated between three to seven kilowatt hours of energy are needed for every gigabyte of information transferred and stored. To put that into context, watching about two minutes of 4k video is the same amount of energy that's required to power your phone for one year. And if we are continually to ask to back up this information, as we are encouraged to do, the heat expenditure could increase exponentially moving into the future. Now, data centers combat these thermodynamic challenges by relying on

cooling mechanisms, kind of like air conditioners. But they take up around 40 percent of their energy demands. And because of this, their energy footprint is greater than the airline industry's as a whole. Imagine how much energy was required by the entire US alone. Funny you should ask, Clifford. The data industry requires approximately 200 terawatt hours annually. And with the combination of smart devices like phones, watches and personal computers, it accounts for 2% of global CO2 emissions.

But here's the kicker. With the introduction of GPUs and large language models and deep learning, heat emissions from data centers are poised to surpass the fossil fuel industry as the number one contributor to the climate crisis in our lifetimes. But there's a better way. DNA. After all, life has been storing information

in the organisms' genomes for billions of years. And storing text, images, and videos is nothing new. Working off the research by Daniel Gibson, a monumental study in 2017 led by Seth Shipman and Joe Davis showed the world that we can put a video into the genome of a bacteria. They showed us that every image pixel can be represented by a unique RGB color code. And that color code can be ciphered into the genetic code, and those sequences can be inserted into the non-coding portion

of an organism's genome, using genome editing techniques that many of you are familiar with. And all we need to do to access this information at a later time is to sequence the genes that hold that information and cipher it back into the pixeled image. And we see the potential of this research. And we want to expand beyond just single cellular organisms like bacteria and move into multicellular organisms, multicellular organisms like sugar cane. What once was a symbol of colonialism across our islands can now be viewed as a symbol for a more sustainable future. And now back to the episode. If you're not catching the colonial reference there,

let us remind you some of the history. In 1893, a group of American sugarcane plantation owners illegally overthrew the Hawaiian kingdom, in part to avoid tax import on sugar production, leaving behind 131 years of illegal occupation and systemic oppression across our islands. And for many of us Hawaiians, sugar has left a bitter taste in our mouths.

But we want to reshape this narrative and take back agency by putting data into the very thing that nearly wiped out our people. Additionally, we see sugar as something that is beyond just a way to decolonize the data industry, but also a way to show something practical. Its genome is enormous, and it has multiple genes within it. Which theoretically is great for data storage,

duplication and integrity. Imagine storing over 200,000 terabytes of information in a single gram of DNA. And you would think with this sort of technology, we'd be out there planting acres and acres of these sugar drives like those greedy fuckers of the past. But we think we have something different. We want to do it differently. We believe that sugar drives are just a small part of the solution. We're also exploring other indigenous varieties of breadfruit, coconut, and other microbiota.

We have an ambitious dream of revitalizing indigenous land systems that double as biological data centers. And we hope everyone remembers that indigeneity is just not about being native peoples. It's about understanding the unique roles that multiple species have within our ecosystem. All of us come from unique places with a tremendous amount of native species. Collectively, all of those species help those systems to function better. All of us indigenous beings

have to reckon with the fact that we all must return to the earth, and that mega-land is a place where we hope our data can go. Resting on the banks of our town's largest living estuary, this two-acre parcel of land is a beacon of hope for indigenous people around the world. What was destined to be another hotel, condominium or marina is now becoming

a thriving indigenous land use center. Here there exists a tremendous amount of information that can be digitized and stored locally, just like our communities, oral histories, hula and chants. Biodiversity metrics can be taken alongside environmental observations by the people who depend on this area and put into organisms that potentially hold the key to environmental resilience. Data no longer need be taken away from these places and stored in hot, dark, noisy rooms miles away. It can remain connected to the land, like the stories of old and the indigenous peoples of today.

We're talking about doing something new that we know to be very, very old. And this might not solve the global data storage crisis, but as we move into a future where there's digital species and AI influencers, we hope that some of the solutions that we so desperately seek aren't only found in a deep algorithm in some supercomputer, but they might be in a community that's standing in front of you today. Oh, you guys are getting crazy. It's okay.

But probably the biggest hope, for me at least, of this whole experiment is to one day be able to respond to Keolu's annoying texts. How were the waves? We'll take a hike at the Megaland, sequence some DNA, and see it for yourself. Thank you. Thank you. Support for this show comes from airbnb if you know me you know i love staying in airbnbs when

i travel they make my family feel most at home when we're away from home as we settled down at our airbnb during a recent vacation to palm springs i pictured my own home sitting empty wouldn't it be smart and better put to use welcoming a family like mine by hosting it on Airbnb? It feels like the practical thing to do, and with the extra income, I could save up for renovations to make the space even more inviting for ourselves and for future guests. Your home might be worth more than you think. Find out how much at Airbnb.ca slash host. That was Cliff Capono and Kiolu Fox speaking at TED 2024. If you're curious about TED's curation, find out more at TED.com slash curation guidelines. And that's it for today. TED Talks Daily is part of the TED Audio Collective.

This episode was produced and edited by our team, Martha Estefanos, Oliver Friedman, Brian Green, Autumn Thompson, and Alejandra Salazar. It was mixed by Christopher Fazi-Bogan. Additional support from Emma Taubner and Daniela Balarezo. I'm Elise Hugh. I'll be back tomorrow with a fresh idea for your feed. Thanks for listening. Looking for a fun challenge to share with your friends and family? TED now has games designed to keep your mind sharp while having fun. Visit TED.com slash games to explore the joy and wonder of TED Games.