TED Talks Daily - The flourishing future of women's sports | Kate Johnson

Episode Date: October 13, 2025

Women's sports are surging in popularity around the world, with record-breaking viewership, attendance and revenue growth. And yet, social media algorithms still skew towards covering men's sports. Olympic rower Kate Johnson, who now leads global marketing strategy for sports and entertainment at Google, unpacks why this is still happening — and what it will take to level the playing field for women’s sports.TED Talks Daily is nominated for the Signal Award for Best Conversation Starter Podcast. Vote here!Interested in learning more about upcoming TED events? Follow these links:TEDNext: ted.com/futureyouTEDAI San Francisco: ted.com/ai-sf Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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You're listening to TED Talks Daily, where we bring you new ideas to spark your curiosity every day. I'm your host, Elise Hugh. Thankfully, women's sports are finally experiencing a huge surge in popularity around the world. I mean, who's not watching the WNBA playoffs right now? There's been record-breaking viewership and attendance of games across sports and significant revenue growth. and yet social media algorithms, for example, are still skewing largely to covering men's sports. In her talk, Olympic medalist and world champion rower Kate Johnson,

who now leads global marketing strategy for sports and entertainment at Google, unpacks how and why this is still happening and why it's time to get serious about leveling the playing field for women's sports. The Olympics has always served as a touch point for me to reflect on just how quickly our world changes. Think about it. Every four years, the Summer Olympics shine a massive spotlight on how much our technology evolves between the games. So I want you to take a minute and picture yourself in the year 2004. Try to remember the world back then.

We didn't have iPhones, the Facebook, as it was. was originally known, was just emerging on college campuses, and YouTube, it wasn't a thing. I competed at the Athens-2004 Olympics and Women's Rowing, which may as well have been the ancient Olympics as far as technology goes. I was still using a flip phone, and I sent my friends and family email updates from the games using my Hotmail account and dial-up Internet. So now I want you to imagine what it was like to win the first U.S. Olympic medal in the event in 20 years.

And rather than getting to instantly share that news with the world via my Instagram or TikTok account, my teammates and I had to wait to see if the Olympic broadcasters and journalists would cover it. Our story was entirely in their hands to tell or not. Well, 20 years later, and all of this has changed, in an instant, we have sports scores, match results, and new stories at our fingertips and on our phones the moment it happens. And this is incredible, but there's still a problem. It's one thing to seek out the information you're looking for.

It's another thing entirely to stumble upon it. The stumbling upon it goes like this. You're scrolling through your social media feed, you see something that captures your attention, you click on it and poof, down the rabbit hole you go, you're locked in. Well, this stumbling upon is what we in marketing call discoverability. And for sports, it's the magic that fuels existing fans

and captures new ones, pulling them in. But while it's easier than ever to search for sports news on Instagram, TikTok, or Google, the information that fans stumble upon, or rather discover, well, it's served up to us by algorithms. They use historical data, fan interactions, and what's trending, which mainly skews to men's sports, despite incredible talent, heated rivalries, and growing popularity,

women's sports remain largely invisible in our daily content feeds. And this has real-world implications. I've spent nearly two decades in global sports and entertainment marketing at IMG, at Visa, and now at Google, and I've seen firsthand how and why this happens. So I want to unpack this with you all. I want you to think about these technology platforms, as massive digital libraries

and the algorithms as the librarians. They're great at organizing, indexing, and cataloging information, but here's the important bit. They can only make recommendations from what's on the shelves, which historically, for many decades, and only until very recently,

has been 19 stories about men's sports for every one story about women's sports. 19 to 1. So if I ask any of the these technology platforms, who has scored the most goals for their country in international football, who do you think I get? Most of you are debating, is it Cristiano Ronaldo, maybe messy? Well, as of recently, Cristiano Ronaldo has scored 141 goals for Portugal. But factually speaking, this answer is wrong. And spoiler alert, it's not messy either. The correct answer to this

gender ambiguous query is Christine Sinclair of Canada, with 190 goals. That's right. This isn't just a mistake. It's a symptom of a bigger problem, and it's one example of many. These gender ambiguous queries come down to word-matching issues within the algorithms. When sports journalists, commentators, content creators, consistently publish content that gender qualifies women's sports, but not men's, we get an imperfect response. For the person looking to settle the Messi versus Ronaldo debate, this answer works,

and for the majority of people entering this query, this is what they're looking for. But the factual omission of women in these answers and in our daily content feeds, well, it negatively impacts the athletes who have worked very hard for the distinction, but also the fans who are looking for this information. this lack of visibility fuels what's often referred to as the vicious cycle of underinvestment the vicious cycle of underinvestment in 2023 for example president of FIFA giani and finino went on record criticizing many of the traditional broadcast networks for offering up to a hundred times less for the women's rights even as the 2023 World Cup tournament approached half that of the men's

tournament. The same thing's happening here in the United States with NCAA men's and women's basketball. The men's tournament earns $1.1 billion per year in media rights fees, 17 times more than the estimated value of the women's tournament, even as the last three finals on average are approaching par. These costs, they don't just undervalue women's sports. They're undervaluing the women's sports fan.

which is a huge miss in the bigger economic picture. It turns out, compared to men's sports, fans of women's sports are younger, they're generally more tech-savvy, and they're more loyal to brands who sponsor women's sports. But in a world where men's sports are everywhere and women's sports are harder to find, these short-sighted media rights holders and gatekeepers,

while they're failing certainly the athletes, but also the fan and especially, and maybe more importantly, our girls, which leads me to the real kicker. Despite the recent surge in women's sports, our girls are still dropping out of sport at twice the rate of boys by the age of 14.

If they can't see incredible content of female athletes crushing it in sport and in life, it makes it harder for them to see sport as a pathway for themselves. If they can't see it, how can they ever dream? of becoming it. I know without a doubt I would not be the person or leader I am today were it not for the lessons I learned as an athlete.

The grit, the determination, the teamwork, the accountability, the resilience. All of it has had a significant impact on the rest of my life. And this makes sense. We know there's a direct correlation between girls who grow up playing sports becoming women who lead. But while 94% of C-suite women, grew up playing sports, only 6% of global CEOs are female, which means when girls drop out of sports, a significant pipeline for future female leadership suffers. Now, there is good news.

Women's sports are growing, and it's thanks to the contributions of new media players that are reimagining the sports landscape for women's sports. Brands who understand the value and are leading in. Athletes, fans who are working as content creators behind the scenes, and yes, even you and me. Brands and media rights holders who understand the value of women's sports audiences, they're leaning in and they're reimagining traditional models around sports rights. Take Visa. They became the first ever standalone sponsor of UEFA women's football. They worked with UEFA to basically unbundled women's sponsorship rights from what was traditionally sold as a bundle with the men's. Another interesting example this year came from streaming platform Netflix,

who secured the exclusive rights in the U.S. and Canada for the next two FIFA women's World Cups. I'm proud to say that at Google, we're tackling the bias challenge from both sides. We're getting smarter at responding to your gender-ambiguous queries, while at the same time working with content teams like Arsenal, Liverpool, women's making sure that across India Women's Cricket, the WMBA, the National Women's Soccer League, we're creating more stories for the algorithmic librarian

to catalog and recommend. Our search products are getting better at women's sports discoverability, and at the same time we're working with media partners at ESPN, The Athletic, even British Vogue, increasing the coverage of women's sports. Athletes and fans are also playing a critical role role in reimagining new models. They're building their own audiences with social media, creating brands that live far beyond the field of play. Take U.S. rugby player Alona Marr.

She blew up on social media during the Tokyo 2020 and Paris 2024 Olympics with her hilarious behind-the-scenes glances of athlete life in the Olympic Village. She became her own media channel, connecting with audiences and making herself and women's rugby more visible and more relatable than traditional media ever could. Canadian creator and fan Logan Hackett, aka Sports with Loges, is another awesome example. She breaks down complex plays, rules, and controversies, making women's sports easier to understand and more accessible to new fans. More recently, I've been paying attention to how AI is poised to accelerate all of this.

while AI slop is a real thing. In the right hands, tools like Gemini and ChatGTPT can enable anyone to create thoughtful production-level quality content and distributed at scale. Take podcast host, Sean Callanin, whose Sports Geek Rapid Rundown podcast, uses AI to curate the business news of the day into daily episodes on a variety of topics

all in his own AI-generated voice. He turns these out with a lot of. incredible speed and efficiency. But the real impact, that's going to come from all of us. Your likes, your shares, your follows, the athletes that you track, the sports that you follow,

it all plays a significant role in contributing to the library of women's sports content. My challenge to you is this. Go further. Go beyond what the algorithm serves you. Follow athletes that intrigue you. Maybe try your hand

at telling their story as a content creator yourself, even if on a small scale. If you're a brand, consider investing in women's sports media or becoming a sponsor. If you're a consumer, buy brands who sponsor women's sports. It all matters. For too long, you cannot be what you cannot see has been a quiet barrier. But what if we flip that from a warning into a call to action? Had I been able to instantly share my proudest Olympic moments way back when. I wonder what young athlete I would have reached through the void and what boardroom she might be sitting in today. Leveling the playing field for women's sports is going to take all of us, from brands, media rights holders, athletes and fans to you and me. When we choose to

reimagine the future of women's sports, we open the door to possibility. Let's reimagine the future of women's sports not as something we have to work hard to find, but as something we deliberately and collectively build to be seen. Thank you. Thank you. That was Kate Johnson speaking at TED Sports Indianapolis in 2025. If you're curious about Ted's curation, find out more at TED.com slash curation guidelines. And that's it for today.

TED Talks Daily is part of the TED Audio Collective. This episode was fact-checked by the TED Sports Research Team and produced and edited by our team. Martha Estefanos, Oliver Friedman, Brian Green, Lucy Little, and Tonzica, Sung Marnivong. Additional support from Emma Tobner and Daniela Ballerazo. I'm Elise Hu. I'll be back tomorrow with a fresh idea for your feed. Thanks for listening.

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