TED Talks Daily - The science of making fruits and veggies last longer | Jenny Du

Episode Date: August 20, 2025

It's a hard nut to crack: in order to prevent food waste, we rely on plastic packaging and refrigeration, which harm the environment. What if we could turn to nature to address these challenges? Engineer and chemist Jenny Du shares how a simple plant-based innovation — using the same elements found in fruit and vegetable peels — can extend the shelf life of produce, while also fighting food waste and spurring a healthier, more sustainable food system.For a chance to give your own TED Talk, fill out the Idea Search Application: ted.com/ideasearch.Interested in learning more about upcoming TED events? Follow these links:TEDNext: ted.com/futureyouTEDSports: ted.com/sportsTEDAI Vienna: ted.com/ai-viennaTEDAI San Francisco: ted.com/ai-sf Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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A few years ago, I went to Vancouver for work, and I remember sneaking in a little time to wander Granville Island and grab something from the public market. It reminded me how much I love discovering new corners of Canada with Airbnb. Because let's be honest, when you're traveling with kids, sometimes you just need a kitchen at 6 a.m. That's one of the things I love about Airbnb. You actually get to settle in. We can have breakfast together around a table, put the kids to bed in real bedrooms, and still stay up with my partner after. That's the kind of setup that makes trips in Canada so much more fun. You're not just getting a place to sleep.

You're getting experiences that feel authentically yours. whether it's a lakeside cabin in Bruce Peninsula where you can literally roll out of bed and into a canoe or a cozy spot in Cape Breton where you can make your morning coffee and watch the sunrise without anyone rushing you to check out. This summer, when you're planning those trips that matter, the ones where you want to actually connect with your loved ones, check out some of the most loved homes across Canada on Airbnb. be you're listening to TED Talks Daily, where we bring you new ideas to spark your curiosity every day. I'm your host, Elise Hugh. It's a hard cycle to crack. In order to prevent food waste, we rely mostly on plastic packaging and refrigeration, which then leads to major environmental

problems. What if we turn to nature to address these challenges? In her talk engineer and chemist Jenny Doe shares how her company is tackling plastic production and food waste by mimicking nature's own preservation methods. In turn, it's opening up major possibilities for less waste and a more diverse and accessible global food supply. And stick around after the talk for a Q&A between Jenny and Lateef Nasser, the co-host of Radio Lab and a guest curator at TED 2025. When you pick a piece of fruit off a tree, it's like a ticking time bomb. It's literally this living and breathing thing that's slowly cannibalizing its own stores of energy and nutrients

just trying to stay alive until it ultimately gets eaten by microbes or some other animal like us. Have you ever wondered why that is and what could be done about it? My journey in trying to figure that out started in the spring of 2013. I'm finishing up my postdoctoral research and chemistry at the University of Santa Barbara, California. And all that really means is I'm a huge nerd, and I've been in

school for way too long, and I'm trying to figure out how to put all of that training to meaningful use. So two of my lab mates, James Rogers and Lewis Perez, invite me to dinner. but it turns out to be a pitch disguised as dinner. And they opened by totally flooring me with some staggering stats. A third of the food that we produce worldwide is lost or wasted before it ever has a chance to be eaten. For fresh fruits and vegetables, that number is a half. And waste is a problem at every single step of the supply chain.

from the farm, trying to get it to market in stores, restaurants, and in our homes. And it's not just a waste of the food, it's a waste of the land, water, fertilizers, labor, energy, fuel, packaging, and money out of farmers and our pockets. If global food waste was a country, it'd be the third highest emitter of greenhouse gases after China and the US. For decades all around the world, we've relied heavily on a surprisingly small number of ways to help fruits and vegetables last longer after harvest.

These have gotten us a really long way, but they also have their challenges. Refrigeration is a massive energy suck, a significant source of emissions, and it's expensive. It's unfortunately why a lot of places around the world don't have access to refrigeration. Designer pesticides aren't great for our long-term health or the environment.

Waxes, some can be plant-based, but a lot of them are also animal-derived or petroleum-derived, and they help make produce look better, but not really meaningfully extend their life and quality. And packaging, that's just adding to our problems with single-use plastics and micropastics. And then all of this leads to a pretty narrow set of fruits and vegetables that are available in stores today relative to the amazing diversity of what's really out there. And so it's really like the categories

that can survive storage and transportation that are commonly available. And those aren't always the ones that taste best or have the highest density of nutrients. So my friends wanted to approach this differently. And we led first with some questions. How do plants protect themselves? Well, with a peel.

Plants, just like us, have a skin or peel, technically called the plant cuticle, and that helps to protect them from moisture loss, oxidation, and infection. And what are those peels made of? Fatty acids, glycerides, that's what's the important part. And these are ingredients found universally in all plants, in the peel, pulp, and seeds,

and including in plants that we already eat. Different fruits have different shelf lives because of the thickness and arrangement of these materials in those peels. So the idea, then, is, can we take these harmless, edible, plant-based ingredients, apply them in a thin layer on the surface of fresh fruits and vegetables to help reinforce the existing natural appeal? And if you do that,

can you help to retain peak flavor, texture, and nutrients for longer without reliance on refrigeration, pesticides, waxes, or plastics? And so that's what James Liu and I, that's why we founded Appeal Sciences and ultimately headed to James' garage to try and figure out.

We started first by partnering with this small, and we tested the idea on this category you may not have heard of called finger limes. They're literally finger-shaped, and when you cut them open, the pulp is in the shape of beads like caviar. They are delicious, and they're super fragrant. But once they're picked, that grower had maybe about seven days before their organic limes would start to dry out, and the skin would start to change color.

And that was even with refrigeration. So we took a test batch of material that we made using leftover tomato peels, since those are rich in these fatty acids and glycerides, we dip those limes in a bowl of these ingredients in water and set them aside to dry, and then we waited. And we saw that we could add an extra week of freshness to these limes.

And when we saw that for the first time, like, shut the front door. Oh, my God, this might actually work. So, we then went and wanted to apply this little bit of extra peel to all other kinds of fruits and vegetables. Bananas, avocados, limes, green beans, tomatoes, bell peppers, cucumbers, berries, like, you name it. And what we saw amazed, and quite frankly, still amazes us.

This concept works for dozens of categories. Things that need to ripen before you eat them, things that don't, things that have edible peels, non-edible peels. We even saw that with protected blueberries, we could retain vitamin C levels for higher, at higher levels for longer than unprotected blueberries.

And tomatoes could be harvested later, not when they were green and tasteless, but when they were red and actually ripe, and they'd still have enough time to get into your homes. And we love that it really takes so little material. The little bit of extra peel we add to an average avocado, for example, that's equivalent in weight to a tenth of a small raisin. And even though these materials are, of course, they're edible,

you can wash them off by just rubbing under running water. We also, the more that we learned about the fresh produce supply chain today, we realized we could integrate into how these are processed in these packing houses before they're sent to grocery stores. So thinking about replacing a standard waxing step, for example. We've made good progress since those early days in the garage. We've established a supply chain for reliably responsibly sourced high purity ingredients. We've demonstrated safety and effectiveness to regulators in the U.S., the European Union,

and more than 40 additional countries around the world. And while we're still relatively small and early in our journey, we have our presence in about 10 markets worldwide. What I'm most proud of, though, it's why we got into all of this in the first place. And that is that since 2021, when we started measuring, we've prevented 166 million pieces of produce from going to waste. In doing that, that's avoided the emissions of more than 29,000 metric tons

of greenhouse gas emissions, which is equivalent to planting 485,000 trees, and saved almost 7 billion liters of water or enough to fill 2,800 Olympic-sized swimming pools. Thank you. What we're also excited about is the opportunity to add a little extra peel to help small growers get their unique varieties of fruits and vegetables to market with more confidence.

This is especially important in places that don't have widespread or reliable access to refrigeration, like with these regional mango varieties. This could mean that a greater diversity of fruits and vegetables could be more available to more people. The work, though, is far from done. We've unfortunately encountered food and agriculture companies that have a really hard time seeing past the food waste status quo.

Shrink, as it's called in the industry, it's just accepted as a normal part of doing business. And disappointingly, we've had some folks, producers, packers, and retailers tell us, well, the waste bin is kind of my best friend. The more that people throw away, the more they have to come back and buy again. So let's just say that's not what we expected

when we first approached them to talk about extending the life and quality of fresh products. But we can't change this thinking alone, and we're not a silver bullet to end food waste ourselves, but thankfully, there are lots of stuff, startups, scale-ups, organizations and individuals all around the world working to transform this post-harvest space. And we're optimistic that our one small innovation

using common ingredients inspired by the ancient wisdom of plants is playing its part and having an impact, reinventing the food system, and helping to create abundance for all. Thanks so much. Thank you. Incredible. Thank you, Jenny. I feel like when I buy avocados and then I bring them home

and then I blink and they are rotten, how long could you extend the shelf life of an avocado? Yeah, in your experience, maybe you have this, too. There's like a day, a day and a half when they're like perfect, like avocado, toast, cut a bowl before you're like, do I sacrifice them? the guacamole. Right.

So take that day and a half and extend it to four days. Like maybe you're actually going to have a chance to use it before you throw it away. Well, if you're more than doubling. Wow. And when you're spraying things that don't have a shell, does it have a taste or does it have a smell or anything? No, they're very neutral. So no taste, no smell.

It's like a strange thing we do around the office, which is like eat the fruit, lick the surface, like confirm that. But we've also done it with credible other. institutions like universities doing these blind taste tests with strawberries and you can't tell that there's anything on them. Amazing.

Jenny Dew, everybody. Thank you so much, Jenny. Appreciate it. That was Jenny Doe speaking at TED 2025. If you're curious about Ted's curation, find out more at TED.com slash curation

guidelines. And that's it for today's show. Ted Talks Daily is part of the TED Audio Collective. This episode was produced and edited by our team, Martha Estefanos, Oliver Friedman, Brian Green, Lucy Little, Alejandra Salazar, and Tonica Sarmar Niven. It was mixed by Christopher Faisie Bogan, additional support from Emma Tobner and Daniela Ballerazo. I'm Elise Hugh. I'll be back tomorrow with a fresh idea for your feed. Thanks for listening. This episode is sponsored by Colgate Periogard. You know, when we get a paper cut or nick a finger while prepping dinner, we don't hesitate to

grab a bandage or clean it up right away. But when it comes to our gums, a little tenderness or bleeding when we brush, we tend to ignore it. Why is that? Especially when the fix can be so simple. Use Colgate periogard to significantly reduce gum bleeding and inflammation. It helps fight bacteria that can cause early gum disease and improves gum health with daily use. Our mouths are trying to tell us something and it's worth listening. So next time your gums feel sensitive, don't shrug it off, help take care of it with Colgate Periogard. Healthy gums, Confidence, Smile. This episode is sponsored by Airbnb. A few years ago, I went to Vancouver for work and I remember sneaking in a little time to wander Granville Island

and grab something from the public market, it reminded me how much I love discovering new corners of Canada with Airbnb. Because let's be honest, when you're traveling with kids, sometimes you just need a kitchen at 6 a.m. That's one of the things I love about Airbnb. You actually get to settle in. We can have breakfast together around a table, put the kids to bed in real bedrooms,

and still stay up with my partner after. That's the kind of setup that makes trips in Canada so much more fun. You're not just getting a place to sleep. You're getting experiences, that feel authentically yours, whether it's a lakeside cabin in Bruce Peninsula where you can literally roll out of bed and into a canoe or a cozy spot in Cape Breton where you can make your morning coffee and watch the sunrise without anyone rushing you to check out. This summer, when you're planning those trips that matter, the ones where you want to actually connect with your loved ones, check out some of the most loved homes across Canada on Airbnb. people using money around the globe. With Wise, you can send, spend, and receive up to 40 currencies with only a few simple taps. Plus, Wise won't add hidden fees to your transfer. Whether you're

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