Tell Em Steve-Dave - #384: My Brother the Car

Episode Date: August 22, 2018

Bry’s brother Erik, official TESD Town shrink, takes the Flan and Son diagnostic assessment test. Bry displays questionable behavior at a wedding. Music: Speds - And So It Is

I'm gonna get some good scissors hands over here. It's not a real radio bro. I am a newbie. Tell him, Steve Dave. Hello and welcome to this week's edition of Tell him, Steve Dave. I'm here with Walt and two very special guests. Now one is very special for one reason, and that's Gidham. How do y'all? And the other is special. He's another guest that people responded to while they liked him.

They liked what he brought. This guy. I, I, I, I agreed. I thought it was one of our, one of the best non-Q episodes we've ever done was when this guest came here. Uh, that would be my brother, Eric. The official Tellum Steve Dave Towne shrink. And boy, would this guy be busy?

Which Justin, would just the talent or the listener base? The listener base, once you get through us, and then you have to go on to the listeners, forget it, man, you're... That's good to be back. It's like a recession proof. Yeah, you're here, our cousin got married, went to a wedding for the first time. So what, when did you get married? That yours was the last wedding I went to. So five years ago. Okay. So yeah, five years ago. Which cousin do I know him or her?

David. Yeah. Remember Charlie, you know, Charlie, the one, the one who was afraid of it. I wonder if that one that was afraid of you. And Ed, yeah. He got married? No, his brother. He's not a brother. Did he get it? Charlie, you're married? No. That's the way it was. That was Charlie doing. Charlie's pretty good, man.

Yeah. It was the best man he was doing all right. Charlie is my cousin. He was aspergers, right? That's. That is, yes. That's the best. I believe that's the best.

I know this, yeah. A lot of that going around. It's contagious, I think Yeah, we went to the wedding and he even married a fine black woman And she told me she's converting to Judaism. I was that true. That's what she told me. Yeah But why the Johnson's are Jewish? No my aunt is really kind of weird my Originally my aunt Leanne and my uncle Roger Roger was Jewish my aunt, this is really kind of weird. My originally my aunt, Leanne and my uncle Roger. Roger was Jewish, my aunt converted.

They got divorced, she then married another Jewish guy. But I guess can you say, like, I use it to think like if your mother's Jewish then you're Jewish, but does conversion count? I don't know. So in a very strict, I guess, Judaic tradition, you can only be Jewish if you're born from a Jewish mother. But I think now things are more liberal. 2018, you can be a figure of.

But not Israel. And so I think in Israel, and Israel, they also, I believe, have expanded their definition. I actually think it was England was the last sect of hardcore Jewish folks that did not want to accept no conversions. Yeah, conversions. But I'm not an expert. If I was going to go a convert to something else, it probably would be Jewish. Because of Sunday, Jeff? Well, yeah, I wouldn't lie. That would be part of the reason. No, it would be cool to have something else in common with them. But it just seems like the second coolest religion out there.

Which is the first thing, isn't it, obviously? Oh, no, I was going saying. I'm just like Catholic. Catholicism? Yeah. They do have some pretty gory shit, man. They're just like some great imagery in Catholicism. I see what I like about Judaism is they have these set rules and then they're constantly coming up with ways to subvert them.

Which, because I live near Lakewood, so I've heard a lot about Judaism. Like, they're not allowed to carry things on the Sabbath. But what they do is, in order to get in and out of their homes, part of their belt is a key to the house. So they're not actually carrying it because it's part of their clothes. So they basically like dry hump the lock. No, I've heard it wasn't carry things. It was like not use modern appliances.

How could you not carry? It's impossible to live your life rather than just stay in bed all day in the set. Well, no, they're not carry something. Now here we go, this is a baby. Now here we go, this is a great part. They're not allowed to carry things outside of the home or the community.

So what they do is they set up a thing called an e-roof, which is if you ever it into place like Lakewood, you'll see this string all like hang like strung about like 20 20 30 feet. And that is under Judaism considered a boundary or a wall. So as long as they're inside that, they're considered inside their community or inside their home. So they can get past the carrying thing.

But now if they step outside of that, like they have to go, they have to go travel to another place. The key is part of their belt, so they're not carrying anything. I got a good and practical and practical jokers joke. The jokers grow in and at night move the boundary string on them. Yeah. It's like, oh, he's very, no, there are. There are. No strings. It's been compromised.

There, I've seen like on the neighborhood message boards, like when a storm comes through and it's been, it's something takes down. So then they have to somehow get someone who's not part of the community to come and fix it. So that, that could be me. If I could be, if they let me in, and I'll be like an honorary. Yeah, the coin. Well, there's some families do.

They'll have someone who comes in on the Sabbath to turn on their stove for them. Or some stoves have a, That's what Simmy said. Simmy said he watches TV because someone else will turn TV on. Or some stoves have a special mode, which allows them to stay on for longer periods than they normally automatically shut off and is the Judate God such a pain in the

one day one day a week come on it's like or so so we can't turn on things that weren't even invented at the time I was pissed off because I'm gonna go to Chick-fil-A today because you imagine like could you imagine like being Jewish and not being able to like watch NFL football? Yeah, if you're day was like, I'm gonna go get some Chick-fil-A then go over to Hobby Lobby. You're gonna. You're gonna.

In Israel, they have a special mode on the elevators that it stops at every floor, both going up and going down, so that no one has to press the button. So they just get on to it and eventually they get to the floor. It's a great religion. They're not allowed to use razors. So, but they can use an electric razor because since the blades cross each other, it's not considered a razor, it's considered a scissor, which they are allowed to use. It's just, it's just great religion of strict rules

and then ways to get around them. Yeah, the the ceremony had some of that kind of stuff like they had a smoking orange like some spices inside an orange or something right? Yeah, I'm surprised you knew what was going on since you talked throughout the entire ceremony. I wasn't sure if I should be insulted by this but I was talking to Eric's wife you know whispering. I was look when I got there I would I had tossed back a few, because I'm like, I don't really want to go away. Such a disapproving parent, you just sound like just there.

Oh, yeah. So I tossed back a few before I went, and I actually had, I brought a cocktail into the ceremony because, I don't know, is that poor form? I feel like it's probably not, right? It's in a hotel. It was commented on by

Really? Who maybe some more conservative family members? But aren't cruise men normally given like like little flasks by the Groundsman and I got my drink from the hotel bar. Yeah, usually don't walk into the ceremony with a cocktail and well you do if you had three or four already. Yeah, the only one. Well, I'm very Bethel. So I had one. I was like, it's cool man. It's cool to worry about. But then he's like I was trying to talk to his wife and he's like he basically compared me to like one of his schizophrenic patients. He's like, you know, how I tell them to ignore the voices in their heads, like you have to ignore

his voice in your head. He'll never stop. It'll just keep going, so just ignore it. That's your brother talking. It was funny, man. It's all aspects of life, whether it's a christening, a marriage or a funeral, it's constant. He has to sit there and whisper in your ear and try to make you laugh and... Did you see the makeup on that corpse?

Doesn't look real at all. I was like, I don't know if I want to go, it's a wedding. But afterwards, it was like, I was not so bad. I saw some relatives I had not seen in a long time. And I took the opportunity to tell a few of them, like, like one, my uncle Roger, David's father, like I was walking in the bathroom and he's walking out and he's like, Oh, excuse me. Like he didn't even recognize me. Cause he doesn't see me in some time. And then I talked to him later on and I told him, I was like, you know, you're sort of like,

there were some impactful moments when I was young that you were a part of, you know, like, my first Hendrix record, he gave me a whole bunch of comics, brought me to the haunted mansion once, he was the guy who took me to see Jaws. Yeah. Until second time, yeah. You never told him, was this the alcohol?

Yeah, it was a come here. I love you, man. I'm gonna sleep over. Yeah, it's a come here I'm asleep over Yeah, that doesn't sound like you Start waxing poetic and that was probably like eight or nine drinks I'm gonna make this about me So my uncle Paul and at gal and they my cousin Michelle who's she's probably about your age right a little bit younger. She's a little bit younger than Tracy I think. And I she has kids

117, 115 and I told them about how I nearly got a DUI when I was 18 but I dropped their dad's name and the cops let me go. Who was her dad to the cops though? He was a councilman in town. Really? Yeah, and it turned out, it turned out he had appointed one of the cops, so when I dropped that name, it was like the exact guy I should have dropped it to. Did you drop it? I was like, were you told by your uncle to like,

hey, if you ever pulled over, so you were just pulling it just pulling it. It was a hell marry. But I wasn't drunk, I wasn't driving drunk. I just had a case of beer in the car and I was too young to have it So I was like it all worked out. I was like that was back in the day I don't know if that kind of stuff happens anymore. No, I don't think so That's the 80s. Yeah, and nowadays you see like the dash cam footage when they arrest a congressman or a selectman or something Yeah, and they try to drop it. Hey, do you know who I am and And they're like, we don't care. We don't give a shit who you are.

So Eric, you had to make a hard decision. You were going to either come here for the wedding or down to Charlottesville for that nationalist meeting. And you chose a wedding. Now, I guess I don't think they have that most meaning anyway. I know they're going to be like, I know. I know. I know they're all but Jews at this wedding. I'm gonna turn the cheeky torches.

They saw the media, like, I can't see it. I see it. And it's, I'm like, why can't everyone just agree to ignore them? Like let them march, let them do whatever. But just like media blackout, don't report on it. Nobody go, nobody yell. It drives viewers to come watch it.

Like it angers people so they'll watch and you, you, you, you're the mediator. I know where the media is to. I'll grab up your side. And it's, it's the same. It's the same. And it's the same. And it's the same.

And it's the same. And it's the same. It's the same. And it's the same. And it's the same. And it's the same. And it's the same. And it's the same. And it's the same. And it's the same. And it's the same. And it's the same. Not season shit. Just don't go like completely ignore them. Let them march around. Let them

march around a little bit with their signs. And nobody's gonna give a fuck. Instead of like clashes and people get hit by cars and all kinds of crap. But you attach the name Trump or allude the fact that it's attached to Trump and it instantly people will flock to it because they want to see something bad happen. And I think that's what you know causes all the people to get down there with cameras because what's going to happen. I've been in I've been in a media blackout for like the last seven days. Yeah, I don't need enough or any reason just like yeah, I haven't turned a TV on at all. No news, nothing. I like it.

Um, yeah, I don't miss it, but it just some of the things going on that caused me my mind to be centered around anything, but news right now. Did I miss anything? I heard somebody, I heard somebody, my wife said that somebody hijacked an airplane though. I was just talking about that with Jeff today because he used to work for the real airplane, or was it like a two man plane or something?

Now it was a bombardier, turbo prop plane. Okay, but not a Jeff. It was like those, no, it was a turbo prop. Well, there was a bombardier, a turbo prop plane. Okay, but not a job. No, it was a turbo prop. Well, there's lawn chairs with the balloons attached. That's like one of those like 40, 50 person ones that like they, it was like an inside guy, right? Yeah, he worked, worked handling cargo and taxing the planes, I guess, like with that little cart, you know, back and forth. But he knew, he didn't fly it around. Oh, he flew around. He flew around. Did he die? Yeah. Well, they still haven't found the body. So they're not declaring him dead from the

order. That's what I was thinking. But he did, they have some footage of, because I guess when people saw the plane being followed by jets, the F-16s, they started filming it. And there's this one. He does an aileron role, which is like almost like a power role, and then he gets, he almost like skims the surface of a lake. And people pulled up the air traffic control radio. And you know, there's recordings of him going back and forth with the air traffic controllers. And he's like, they're like, okay, we're going to, we're going to have you land over at this air force space. He's like, no, I don't want to do that. They, they might have, you know, an aircraft or, you know, they're probably going to rough me up when I land. You suicidal I heard. Oh yeah. With the

air traffic controller should have did. Mm-hmm. Piked in making hang. To the cockpit. Yeah. Right maybe not like that that may have made a turn of tide. I've heard that it I heard it does wonder. It is an elixir. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is all that. Yeah, if you ever diagnosed and prescribed a podcast, are we actually this? Yeah, we are. Have you done it since the last time? Yes, and now we just play that episode over. Audio of the hospital loop. Now can your mind listers what your profession is again?

I'm a psychiatrist. So I think you want to give where you practice or no. And your home address and social security? I think I did last time so they can replace it. Last time I was in residency and now I am no longer in residency. What's the next step after residency? You're just a psychiatrist. You can do a fellowship. I chose not to do a fellowship because additional one to two years So all I have to do now is take my Psychiatry boards which I will do in September and you can open up your own practice. I could I could do it now?

Are you going to hang your own ship?, I work with a county in Southern California. You're not interested in having a big sign on the sidewalk that says Eric Johnson. So in psychiatry, so if you work in a private office, you don't get to work with the sickest patients. The sickest patients are all taken care of by the county or the state or By the prison system. So you you want you want to deal with the sickest It's the most interesting It's the most interesting You can do the most kind of good and

And it pays almost just as well as private So I would think that, like, you know, the dealing with the sickest is almost like, it's such a huge challenge. You're never, like, most likely if you deal with someone who's not as sick, you feel like you're accomplishing work as you put them back on the road a lot easier. But if they're the worst and they make some kind of improvement,

it really shows. Yeah, it's like when you clean, sometimes cleaning the dirty thing first is the best Yeah, that's that's got to be some sort of also some sort of agenda on your part right that you only want to deal with the sickest So it's a little more difficult to hear somebody complaining When it appears they have you, everything going for them in life. Who does that? Versus, you know, somebody that's really having a hard time and like, I mean, he actually

said it quite nicely. Sometimes it's just about getting someone to take a shower every day or getting someone to join a clubhouse or getting to the library every day because they're so low functioning. That to you is more appealing than getting somebody to be like, I don't know, like what's some more or less? So somebody may be with just kind of basic anxiety or a mild depression. OCD.

You know, you have patients and private sector and business. Yeah, that will come in and they are depressed because they're for rebroker or something. You know, those kinds of things are, yeah. To say. Yeah. My car broke today on the way here. This priest wasn't it wasn't what we what did you call the first car you said? Ferrari. It's not a Ferrari. It's not a Ferrari. But isn't that like universal then whether your Ferrari breaks down or a Prius, it's like

it's so you're a backstage. Should I not have been because I have other things going on. But we'll send it to the library or a club. Yes. I'm not that interested in therapy and generally somebody can be helped with these kind of mild type disorders through therapy. So I don't really... You're not interested in therapy, you're interested in medication management. And that's what most psychiatrists do. We prescribe, we do ECT, we do those types of things. Electroconvulsive therapy, those. Do you listen to some C-Vave on a somewhat regular basis?

Yeah, I still do. I'm just a little behind because my commute changed. Do you listen to some Steve Dave on a somewhat regular basis? Yeah, I still do. I'm just a little behind because my commute changed. So you know of, get him Steve Dave, you have somewhat of a, you've heard him on the podcast, you know, kind of his. Of course, yeah. What are your, now that you've spent a little bit of time in a wooded person, what's your feelings of like, what do you think's wrong with him?

I'm not really sure, you know, Yeah, what's my fun? You were a psychiatrist, get him? About five years, God, say. All right, so it's been five years. So I can tell you, um, the background, what I know about him. Obviously he's very intelligent. He usually has the facts correct when maybe other people don't. Two men on the moon. Do I hear someone say?

But I, yes, I, that is intelligence garnered from just memory or is intelligence by figuring something out So I for a whisper in Intelligence and inappropriate was First started being measured I think in France was the original IQ test and it was used to predict academic achievement for their school system. Now it's kind of broken out into many different areas now, so you have like emotional intelligence, you know, different types of intelligence. So with facts and scholarly type of intelligence, I think,

get them does very well. But, you know, I'm going to kind of disclose something because so you would ask me to not tell people that get them doesn't have aspergers. And I was feeling kind of unethical about that. I'm damn it. But the more I sit across from him and I'm watching him, I'm not really sure he does.

Oh yeah? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I told you I told you. He wants it though. So he wants it. He wants it though because it's an out for him, I think, at times.

So he uses it as a a get out of jail card. So you haven't taken a show. There is a spectrum of severity. But basically, it's a disorder which we believe is related to these certain neurons in your brain, which helps you predict social behavior. They're called mirror neurons. And so as I reach for something, your brain tells you he's reaching for that.

So sudden movements for people with autism or aspergers, they make them very startled. And so the way you can kind of tell if somebody has autism or aspergers is watching how they interact in a social situation. And you know, Gunnames very animated with his hands, takes cues and all these things. So I'm not sure he... I know, get him. How do you answer this? Well, I mean, I think I trust these guys a little more than your average person on the the street So he's not an average person on the street though, but he's family of Johnson. Yeah, so That doesn't mean he went he had to go through all the all the proper schooling and

He's a Johnson I'm not Trusted, you know, I'm not gonna diagnose you, but I mean, that would be a good thing, right? I guess. Well, if you were going to a psychiatrist right now, what's one thing you would want to, is there anything at all that you'd want to ask them

or talk about? Or no, you're just nothing, you're just not, you wouldn't have no interest. I, well, whenever I went, we just mostly just talked about how I was doing. So if I had, you know, any particular problems at that point in time. Do you have any particular problems that you could talk to Eric about right now or that you would feel comfortable talking about also in front of us and all the listeners? Um, make it good.

And he can help you way like if you don're only gonna get this sort of like free Advice one time only man. He came to you Dr. Makenne house. What about work? I mean, I know you got some problems here at work some issues you deal with We could talk about it here right now with with the doctor such as like a joint session Okay, oh like couples therapy almost yeah, yeah Bust a little couples therapy out on these guys. I mean I could like I said I don't do therapy very much We do do it. Just give them some medicine Anything that you could think everything's perfect. No, that's just having drawn a blank He is is he like clinically eccentric maybe? Because he does weird stuff.

Well, that's not a disorder to be a centric. So, you know, I look for things that are functional impairments like people not being able to shower, people not being able to work, people. So do you have you received any special accommodations for this diagnosis? I don't know, maybe you don't want to talk about this because this could lead into him looking for like special treatment around here and then next you know litigation issue. I did get out of jury duty because of it so. Wow. I mean I think that's really the only thing he uses it to his advantage and he doesn't want

to take it away. Yeah. Kind of like someone with maybe a light ankle sprain getting that special handy cap access, Disney Land. All right, get him. You could do that, right? You could hire yourself out of Disney. We talked about it. Oh, yeah, I remember the year until the lines. So this is what you're thinking about, get him now.

That maybe maybe we would have to do a, the interview and I'll be a little bit on the floor. No, no, I'm a lot lower than that. I'd say one or two, not like, like the top floor, if you don't, anybody hoards. I've not dealt with, I haven't had any patients that are hoarders. We do work with hoarders in our clinic setting, but none of my patients have. What about a man

who would, he isn't, what would you say? I mean, it would be something I would think that he would need to try to like break this horrible cycle of not throwing anything away, like in terms of like packaging that comes, like if he orders something from like online, he can't throw the cardboard box that came away with. He'll save it and put it in for it as a special place and he'll know is where it is like that though. And that's where you use it, right?

No, if I can reuse it, I will reuse it. Well, once I let some of you reuse packaging. Well, I use a lot of the packaging here. So I'm not talking about here. I'm talking about stuff, a lot of packaging here. So I'm not talking about here. I'm talking about stuff, but it's stuff I get. I get I reuse it here. So, but stuff at home, if I've ever had to mail stuff out, I try to, I go from within first two years of backlog

of boxes that you have. You have a chick could he be sending out from home? Yeah, not that meant, I don't send out that much stuff. So I, I think you're saying over 10 years. Probably, yeah. I was saying every time I come in, he's got you like you guys have another as seen on TV pair glasses. So he's ordering stuff all the time. So again, I'm how would you feel if you found out someone was

at your home right now throwing away those packaging? It does not go very well. Furious. He would be beside himself. I it's even like you suggest it's happened before. It's happened before. It doesn't even look you suggest it to me. It's happened before and it did not turn out well. My friend Debbie, she cleaned out something in my mouth. It's upsetting him right now, thinking about it.

It is. He kind of did tense up quite a bit after I said he was relaxed. Look his jaw is set, Mary thing. I told you right now that my car didn't break and I was at your house And I threw away all your stuff you wouldn't have had enough time and change your sheets You know we're near out of breath enough and what happened to my cats my cats. I let the cats go They wear it down the road Be welcome

I didn't do that. I was just testing you. So I mean the second, okay, so it would cause you anxious to stress something like that. Yes, it's just cardboard. So why it does it cause you distress? If I get a chance to go through it, touch it, be able to possibly save something that would remind you know, be able to take one percent of the hundred percent to be able to save then I could, you know, then slowly work that one percent down to another one percent.

This could be your John Merck. Yeah. It could be able to career. I'm a newbie. I'm a newbie. So, has it caused you any problems at home? Like, do you feel like it's dangerous? Like a fire hazard?

I mean, not so much. It's not like a collier's mansion. It's not like you're not like you're stumbling over things. I don't know if we can cut this if you don't like to hear it, but he has, he's had a girlfriend and he cannot have her come over because he can't, she can't see the state of his house. Okay. So, a new girl. Well, that's the old girlfriend. So, that's the kind of thing we look for that points to a disorder, right? Because it's impairing his ability to form relationships with other human beings. Or it is.

Yeah, it is. Or maybe it's a genius move. You're like, I don't have to have her over here, man. That's why I think that it's a batch I call out my bachelor pad because he kind of is. He's justifying now that right, doc. Yeah, when you pull that in the middle. You, you're whatever you guys say.

I'm sorry. He's using it to his advantage, he thinks. Yeah, I don't really buy that response. I'm, I'm, I'm comfortable there. That's what, I think that's my prime motivation is I'm comfortable. It's my space and so where do you meet your girlfriend? When she came out, we went to her hotel room. He stayed in her hotel room.

But she wanted to come and be in Jersey. And he couldn't because she wouldn't be able to live in his place. Because of the state of the year. Well, I said I was willing to let her move in. If she came out to New Jersey, my... Just sign this waiver. My big fear is I don't want big peer. I'm not a big peer.

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work out? Yeah. So, but going back just a little bit, what you said, is she wealthier that she can get motel rooms to visit? I, if she asked me to contribute I chipped in so she would have to ask though So you would rather have your cardboard packaging and pay for her to stay in a hotel. I said that to you I said that to you, right? I said you would rather have you would rather like when you'd rather have her at your place then go to a hotel room I kind of I tell you the truth. I kind of like the hotel room. It was nice

Like a little Getaway vacation because like I said my my don't sleep on my bed because it gives me back problems So it was nice being able to go to a hotel where I could sleep on a bed. So what's on the bed right now? What? The sheets and the blankets. Oh, there's nothing on top of the bed? No. So someone could sleep there. Yeah, someone could sleep there. Why don't you sleep? It hurts my back. I get a lower back pain for some reason. I got to either flip the mattress or get a new mattress.

Or get a new mattress. It's like a sematic. The back pain? Yeah. Oh, there's a baby. There's a baby. There's that book by John Sarno. He says, all back pain is bullshit.

I don't believe that. I'm sure you'll get through that. But like he doesn't want it, like he, there's things he can do to improve his, and he doesn't do it though for whatever reason. He won't go buy a new mattress, so he can just start sleeping on his bed. I don't know why.

So it's the same like one of those like, what's the ones that like the incline and shit? Oh, the, the cathmatic? Yeah, man. Right now it would be, it would be pretty much cost about half of what it cost for my G for me to get a new mattress. So because it's a king. It's a king size.

It's the, it's the box, not the box, spring the, the whole bed frame. Yeah, the frame with the, the drawers underneath and everything. But at what point do you say to yourself I'm worth? I'm a human being. I'm worth it. I'm a human being. I'm worth it. I'm a human being. I'm a I'm worth I'm a human being I don't know I mean I'm and it's not like your car was 40 grand and the mattress is gonna be 20,000 like how much is a king mattress? Like a thousand bucks? We get a TSD code you get the head the cast the cast for ones about two thousand wheat Casper the cast for two thousand dollars for king That's why I looked you. Yeah, so that's kind of the push it off because I did just buy a vehicle.

So, you know, that was, he will tell him what you do your money. What, I, I don't trust banks, so I, you know, keep it. And some of it, it's some of it is stashed around my property in various locations. Underground. Yeah, he varies. It should be seen. Like a cat in a cat box.

So you could put it in a safe deposit box? Or a safe inside your home? I could, but I'd be worried about fire then, because you know. Isn't there a fire proof safe? They do, but then you know, it's something someone can identify and steal. Identify a safe, be like a stealer. So you're worried can identify and steal. Okay. Identify and save, feel like they'll steal it.

So you're worried about theft as well. Yeah. Nobody's gonna be, nobody's gonna know, cause you got a lot of property out there. Nobody's gonna know where to look. You got your GPS coordinates and shit. Yeah, I, it's mostly like lined up. String an omelet.

Tell them how you're terrified of going in the shower. Oh, she's, I love the truth. You got your work out of the portal. Oh no, I tell them that you keep it. I keep a knife in the shower. I love the truth. You got your work out before. No, no, I tell him that you keep a knife in my shower. Why would you have a knife in your shower? Just in case someone tries to attack me while I'm in the shower. I also keep one on the head of my bed and pretty much, they're stashed throughout the house.

In case someone tries to attack me in the shower. So you know what the next question I would ask. And I have a clear, that told me that. I have a clear shower curtain. I have a clear shower curtain. So as long as I'm not under lock in the air. When I take a shower, I like to blast the music, so I can't really hear anything.

So in case someone tries to sneak up on me, I keep a knife on my shower. So we are on a podcast, if you don't want to answer this, but have you ever been charged with a violent crime or assault? No. No. Why would you ask that next?

Say, that's not, you said you know the question. I didn't think that would be Why would you ask that next? Say that's not you said you know the question. I didn't think that would be the question you'd ask next. I thought you were like I was going to say where you hide that knife. Oh I already know he's dangerous. I'm just trying to assess the level of dangerousness at this point. Like the knife is hidden in the shower, right? Yes. That's crazy, right? Where do you hide it? It's like in a shampoo bubble? No, it's behind the washcloth hanging up

on a suction cup in the shower. So it's easily reachable. How long have you done it for? I've had that there for eight, nine years. Can you check it all the time, right? Well, I can kind of see the edge of it hanging up behind the washcloth. And plus, I don't know if the washroom wasn't there, huh? Would you, would you, would, right? Well, I can kind of see the edge of it hanging up behind the wash cloth. And plus, I'm going to use the wash.

The wash wasn't there, huh? Would you, would you not give me a good look at the shower? No, no, that must have be kind of, well, I had to look, I'm wonder how someone got into my house. I mean, it's anything. If you come into your house and there's something that was there, you know before and now it's missing, doesn't it? That's what you have to do.

And I'll clean up the cardboard, just remove that. Like, you go into the bathroom and then I'll just see. Do you feel on edge as if someone would come into your home? No, just in that. Like you go to the bathroom and say, do you feel on edge as if someone would come into your home? No, just in case. Have you ever been attacked before? Have you ever had anything come in and still anything from you before? He has been attacked.

I heard some of the, I mean some of his upbringing episodes. Oh, hello. Yes. I mean, no, no one has attacked me in my home, but it's just it's I feel safe for him I'm there and when my like when my ex went away to college I gave her a knife to keep it on her bed as well So you um, and there's one on there's one on both sides of my bed So it's one for me and then one for the Edward Cesar ends over here

That's how now do you think do you know his history about how his, his true love left him for a blind man? Yes, I do. Do you put a point, I point to that moment as being where everything unraveled. No, because that's- Does that always happen when someone's girlfriend leaves him for a blind man? That would be far more- To the one who's doing always, doing always unrevolable.

But wouldn't it be more traumatic for a, like for because you're being left for someone inferior almost. Well, he is a psychologist. There's at least one mind-alcoholist who's like, wow. What is she getting that like from a blind man that I can't? Well, I should say the blind man is a psychologist. Yeah, I actually we have a blind psychiatrist that works in our system who's considered the top psychiatrist in our area. No, but wouldn't you even have to be like if you're if you're honey left you from that

psychiatrist, you'd be like, he's blind. No, but this is the ex I gave the knife to. So this this happened while we were going, I had the, I think there are other things that we can point to be so. I would be like, I would just be. I'm so shameful. I would just be point to that and I'd be like, like a blind man, because like he really would have a hard time.

I don't know, justifying that like you can't do so many things. What's existence? You know, you can't do as many things as like a man who could see can do. But I will say he's also a skydiver. So, I mean, he's done stuff that I'll never do. So you're not, you don't feel that way, you're saying. Or you're denying that, like, are you suppressing your feelings

of like that you know like the blind guy you know you feel like you're you feel like it shouldn't you shouldn't have lost your love to a blind guy. We had issues before I feel that his knowledge of psychiatry helped him weasel his way in between us. Oh he like he pulled some spin-ball at type ship. Yeah, and you know, exploited the the weaknesses I have. And, you know, that's common in that field, right? Well, it would probably have nothing to do with the fact that you were sleeping with a knife that's your bed at the head. I mean, maybe she just felt safer because the blind person

would have a harder time stabbing her. No, She had a knife at the head of her side as well. So she would stab her. She could have stabbed her back. She didn't request a knife. What's his knife doing here? It's for you, baby. Now, unless I'm mistaken, if I reach back, didn't an ex of yours leave you for a dude with cancer?

A dude with a shelf life. Right? Yeah. I mean, that with a shelf life. Right? Yeah, yeah. I mean, that was where you were, there was pretty much an end of the road. So I think what did you, I said to me, well, I guess she really so no future with you. I'll be sure what to do. Who's definitely going to die. Is the guy who went at time?

No, he actually survived, and that was the hardest part for me. I feel you, bro. Are they still together? No, they, she ended up leaving here. Do you think the fact that she survived it was maybe turned her off? Maybe she was some sort of like night and gale complex?

Yeah, fetishist. Yeah, I think it was a harder relationship than she thought it was gonna be, living with somebody with cancer or some other. And so they actually broke up, I think, when he was still sick. Oh, okay, she didn't, she didn't count upon all the trauma, like the relationship would have

when dealing with somebody who's really sick. I wonder if the breakup caused him to survive. Like, you know, all that rage of the breakup. Can rage? If you mean, I mean, it's not something. That leads to positive thinking. I should have done that. It's not something we had typically associated with health.

So see it more with like holes in your wall. I try to help them. I don't know if you listen to them, but but I try and at times I get frustrated with them. I lose my temper. I'm a very good job. No reason. I do care about them and I do want him to do well. But I know that at times I yell at him and I don't want to though, but and I try not to. Yeah and I've noticed that as you know from listening from when he first started working here to now it actually seems like well you control your feelings much better in regards to when he messes up. Is that you think that's true? You're really going on. I would like to think that I've been messing up less, but yeah, that's true. He has been messing up less. So I think we're in a good place

right now, right? I think so. Termonious. You think so. I mean, it appears that, yes, that relationship is improving and my, I think Mike included because it's, I think think it's a I don't count Mike in the in the Because Mike doesn't need I don't think as much Like somebody over him as much as like I think I just think if you if you if I don't say something You're just you're just prone to just be like let me see what's on right it You know, and I don't think that's just the way you are. I was actually thinking of the day about online addiction because I think I heard a commercial about it.

I'm thinking of having it. I'm just trying to figure out if it's where you're at. So this is a good rehab. One of the new fields or the new areas of addiction in psychiatry and mental health. That's what I heard. The California Cation was on. I thought about David DeCovny and then he had

the sex addiction in which he blamed on being online. So there is almost like an obsessive compulsive type or an addiction. It could also be in the same way that gambling addiction works. So, that it's this totally new thing. We're not sure about, but psychiatry is trying to get more into, like, what is going on in your brain? And is it actually different, whether you have a gambling addiction online addiction sex addiction Saving packaging

I was I was trying to figure out like like I'm like is my post if like my comic gets an up vote Is that like release some kind of like your fan or dopamine or something that like plays like I'm an almost like the when you win at gamble Yeah, like oh this post got 17 likes when you win at gamble. Like, oh, this post got 17 likes. So those popular video games, I think, like candy crush is one where you're getting these rewards on a timed basis. Those are working on the, um, uh, the same, uh, addition circuitry. Uh, yeah, it's an older party, your brain, obedience to authority, where it's giving you a reward. So it actually causes dopamine to spike in your brain. Like even if like if you consider the game sometimes like a chore

but you still have to play it, is that you had to get them out of the candy. Yeah. So it's no, no, I play a I play Marvel puzzle quest and it's, you have to play five nodes a day in order to get the The daily reward and sometimes it'll be like 11 o'clock at night And I'm like I gotta I'll give up sleep just to get these five nodes out. Yeah, so that would be yeah I said and I go why don't I do this at work when I What about the drinking no the the five gallons andi to get to get to sleep? Yeah, he's an alcoholic. There's a lot of it. Now what do you, do you like prescribe to AA,

what is that, what is called? AA or is it AA? Yeah, so it takes, it's like, I treat you culturally. So that's going to be the next area. I start to study, but I work with a lot of folks that are addicted to different drugs and alcohol. And what losers?

And I mean, so a lot of the things he describes is anxiety based, you know. Give a little anxiety again. I think social anxiety. I feel like everyone I know has social anxiety. Yeah, everyone has some level of social anxiety, but if it becomes so disruptive, you can interact with people you're not intimately familiar with. I hate that. That's. Yeah.

I see it when people come in and talk to them, they want to see them because they listen to them. Steve Dave, he puts his eyes to the ground. He doesn't look at them. But yeah, other people come in, he like he doesn't act that way. But if they are come in to see him specifically to be like, oh, I like you on the Tom Steve Dave. He has a hard time like meeting their eyes and talking about it. He kind of like comes across as very cool, like not cool that way,

but like he's very cold. He doesn't want to engage them. Yeah and I think actually the first time I met him I was like oh he doesn't really want to talk to me or I think but then later you know he kind of warmed up a little bit but maybe if he was strong when he first met me. When I would go up to meet ups like for the some of the websites we were on, and it would be like at a bar, I would not step in until someone I knew from the website was there so that I could talk to them, I guess is.

I've seen it in action. It was really weird when I was here. Yeah, she came to this girl that he went on a date with once, and she came for a visit, and she told me she gave you a heads up that she was coming. Yeah, came into the store And she you get them sitting back there behind the counter and she's like hi, get them and like that He will know he wouldn't even it would not look up I think that's completely why why is different? You can just like hey even if you even if you're like okay

That didn't go anywhere you could still be like hey, how you doing you were very acting so Like mental It was bizarre. It was a very strange behavior. I mean, I'm not saying it to like you get a laugh. It was just strange behavior. It's very off put. It's complicated because it seems to me like she thinks we still have this relationship. Trust me, she does nothing. I don't know what that. I don't think so I mean I could be wrong and you may be right but I You guys came up with your own test That's right. I'm really curious earth to see what you think of this. I know and I don't mean it in a way to like I'm really curious, Eric, to see what you think of this. I know, and I don't mean it in a way to diminish what... All the schooling you went through, all the things you guys do.

But sometimes I wonder if we put too much emphasis on what doctors think. So... The age-old... I mean, what's the word, doctor? What's that every doctor? Right? No. I think the doctors that take better history, that ask good questions, they're the ones that

you should work with because you can trick them. So you're saying the questions are important? Questions are extremely important. That's really good. I can. I have some experience in judging questions. Do you have a set, do you have your own personal set of questions that you'll ask? So we practice asking questions in front of rooms of other doctors to mock patients and then we refine how we ask. I'm going to be

a doctor. We have a, I think he means a patient. Oh, he's a patient. Yeah, we don't mock. No, I think he means a patient. Oh, he's a great old guy. Oh, wow. No, no, no. Yeah, we don't mock them. No, yeah. So a patient will do what we call a mock interview, where it's a practice interview where they're not act through being assessed. But really, there's a room full of doctors that are judging you on how well you're asking the questions and how well you're determining the diagnosis. All right.

So you have, you have your questions that you usually have to ask before you get it, before you sum it all up. Usually, if I do a good interview, a good psychiatric interview will take between a 30 minutes minimum to 60 minutes. So the average length of a podcast. I have eight, we have eight, we mean get them came up with eight questions. Now that now the answers may take, you know, that depends on the, the, the patient, how long it takes them to answer them. But if we were to give you the, the Walt Flan and Sun psychological profile quiz, would you take it now and give us your feedback on it? Sure.

And this is what we've been waiting for right now. It is real psychiatrist to come in and evaluate. Who seems to be pretty credible. He's cool too, like he's not like snooty, like a lot of doctors, I think. He's not mocking us so. A lot of the doctors we've approached. No, but you know, like, I'm the street. Doctors, to mocking us. So a lot of the doctors we've approached.

No, but you know, like, the street to me, I don't know, maybe it's me, but they come across as, um, like, like, they're like almost like they're aliens, like they're like, I got the keys to the, and you're in, in your, uh, in your buffoon and, you know, they, they like they kind of feel like they're superior Every way to you know they act superior. They talk superior Well, what is it doctor except someone who wants to be as close to God as possible without being God? God complex, right? So that's what we call the paternalistic model, which is now not taught anymore. Oh Let's get right into it because I Never I'm gonna tell you right now me again We've never gone to school. We've never we never look at the shock

The only time do I time he was at school was to propose to his wife. That's right I have to high school and I barely even did the last grade the 12th grade I barely did it But after after I graduate I didn't do anything. But still, I believe that just between me and him on a slow day at the stash, we came up with a quiz or eight questions that could help. And I don't know if doctors would even think of these questions. Refinemars like Hayat-Rish. Yeah. So I can do everything you can.

GSM Infinity. Yeah. So now I teach resonance to, so I evaluate other people and training. So do you, are you a proponent of having doctors come up with their own questions or do you think that they should be set standard questions? So there are some standard ways to ask questions and sometimes responses that you're trying to get. Yeah, and you have to be you have to expedite things you can't you know take a very long time because you have lots of patients. So if there's an eight

questions system, I mean that's very valuable. This is like the extreme line. This is Henry Ford taking on psychiatry. If you if, if you have to the quiz, if you're interested in normal seriousness, and if you want to write a paper on it, would you include us? Where you could, can we be, my name? Could we be, no, no, could we be at Alvin? We may be able to, uh, maybe go to the APA and present a poster or some pose because there's some journals we can get in if you're You're you're just created You know, yes, we're a question yet. I think he's going to be shocked that we didn't we didn't do any kind of bat like

Like look into anything. We just came up with them on our own And I think you'll see that there's like you'll be like holy crap Yeah see that there's like, you'll be like, holy crap. I went to school for nothing. Yeah, it's freeing that I would hear you a century of. All right, question number one. Now they're not in any set order. So I could just jump around, but I'll just go on the same water I went with. When I get into Q and Brian. So you want me to answer these questions like, you can, you can answer a patient and then give me your analysis of the question. Like like do you feel it would be a worthy question ask a Patient, you know in a clinical setting

Okay, that sounds good. Well, what's his what's his condition? He's coming in. Where's this just a very general? Well, I mean ours is just this is just general. We didn't want wanna go too deep because I don't feel we're ready yet. And we were afraid they might come after us. Okay, I don't remember. I'm gonna do this. Big psychology. That's what, that big psychology. I see what they did almost into that Dr. Hose, so I did this.

That's why their knives hit in every corner, and the stash, it's like how many people come in at first. That's what they did. They taped under the, he's got a shotgun on a swill on the paper table. You think psychology wants to shut like it's like, you know, we're pinching on now, man. The band or opens up, you gotta get pulled in. Give us those questions. All right, question number one. When I say the initials MJ, who or what is the first thing you think of? Michael Jackson?

Uh-oh. I remember that not being too good. Yeah, it's obsessed with fame. Yeah. It wants to be a performer. It wants to be his big brother. So that's definitely family issues. That's what we call a close ended question.

Did you have any? Did you have any animals that you were friendly with as a patient to speak at all? We need they got to come up with they got to come up with something that matches the initial and the initial J. And that's the initial M and the initial J. And that's the end of the response. Right. But if they say, if they say Mary Jane, you know, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're druggies. They're druggies.

You, if they say, if they say Michael Jordan, you know, that they're kind of masculine. If they say Michael Jackson, well, we don't know. Maybe they like you. You know, you have to be written. And if they say MJ, you have to be a restaurant. Maybe they like you say What if they say the name of a local pizza real Wasn't Michael Jackson referred to as MJ where Michael Jordan wasn't I Could be wrong about that. I don't know. I think you are. Or Jay or I guess. Yeah, I think I am wrong about that. I'm thinking, uh, well, I mean everybody, but every, um,

every generation has their own MJ. I suppose. You know, there's actors, you know, that could fit the, it could be anything. It could be, it could be, so let's say it's their family. Let's say it's their mother had those initials then you know they're like yeah marina mama's boy or they're into or their mother family okay it really is like if they're going if they only if they think it's somebody famous it should it should be it's a telltale sign of what you know what they're built like maybe it's because this question's out of the context of the eight that I should reserve judgment on this question. So I hear some more. I mean, they say Mick Jagger. Oh my God, right? Mick Jagger? I mean,

there's so many MJs. I mean, it doesn't really work. Magic jolly, though, either. But we, you know, to be fair, me and get them were white. So we may not not have we may have these just be done Basically, you know a middle class suburban white guys test right here That's what's good for that's good for oh, thank you guys the ones with the most problems up here so Not necessarily I mean We got this order to go across cultures.

I mean, we tend to cry the most though about them. Like, we know, like, not cry, but like, you know, like every little thing, like you said, the latte, the Ferrari. Do you ever want to say to someone like, sack up your fucking bitch. Just stop. Like just stop. I mean, there is a phrase, white people problems. I mean, sometimes we have to cut people off a little bit and be like, well, that's not really why we're here. I can't really help you with that. I'm just like,

I'm progressing into this. I'm Ferrari. This is what I can do for you, you know? And you try to be nice about it, but some people are just kind of looking for empathy more than they're All right to speak an empathy no question to when you see a quote unquote small person Okay, he's not gonna tell you who's quoting Are you more inclined to a have have parental thoughts, B, thoughts of

dominance and superiority? What do you think that takes you to my point? Come here, you. Well, you know, like you do have parental thoughts or you have thoughts of dominance and superiority, A or B. Or if you're both. Yeah, so you have to choose one. Yes. And either one leads to, it's a real sort of judgment.

Yeah. What's a test? I suppose since I agreed to take the test, I would say A. Parental. Yeah. That's good. That's good. I would expect the doctor to feel that way right? Yeah, you would I mean you would hope

Yeah, you would mean like carry the most sickest of us out there would see that little person and try to help lift the My scoop them up physically Eight eleven they're on his arms Let me I like a verse on the film! I'll put you in the shower, bro! I'm in there! Just wrap me in a blanket! You're getting swaddled!

You're getting swaddled! You're getting swaddled! You're getting swaddled! You're getting swaddled! You're getting swaddled! You're getting swaddled! You're getting swaddled! Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sorry.

Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sorry. and you cut yourself a slice. What is your slice filled with? Strawberries? Still thinking back to a childhood, it would strawberry shortcake in the such. I can, I can attest to that, it was his favorite card to it. His whole road decked out and backed out.

Let's try very short. Or it doesn't, you know, a lack of imagination of, you say something that a pie is usually filled with. What would be an unacceptable answer? Unacceptable? Anything you say. Well, what would be it like to me, I would think like, like Q said money, which I thought was like brilliant.

It really was an insight into his soul. It doesn't sound that delicious, though. Didn't the question, what's the question stem again? Well, it's delicious. Everything that has for your taste buds or could be delicious be with the, while it, yeah, with the money, with the money from that pie, you could buy something even better. You could buy something better than a pie. Yeah, I mean, let's say you're, let's say you're a little bit on the edge, or well, I don't any edge're like you know my pie filled with knives So I could stab somebody if I'm in the shower I bring my pie to the shower with me

We're cans of beer or yeah or what I could be to me That is shows like a lack of Regenality in like thinking hmm. It's not you're not like a room raise a lateral thinker if you're just gonna think exactly Like oh like the comic question would be Apple. So every Joe Schmo was going to say Apple. Super pedestrian. Yeah. I mean usually we want folks to think in a linear logical pattern and see that's the problem. That's what we've been doing for how many hundreds of years and if they go outside of that pattern, usually it costs as profit.

Or a second ever. Hold on a second. I could be wrong. Is there such thing as strawberry pie? Like a strawberry root bar? Yeah. OK, I was going to say, I've never heard of it. So I was going to say, maybe you were thinking outside the box.

Like a such thing as strawberry. Well, like a strawberry pretzel pie, almost. So you have a scale of what's imaginative and what is like apple is the least? Apple is at the very very bottom only below strawberry. We're flip-flop on for a while. We've got this, I don't know what you're gonna do. But you could have like a skit so be like razor blades. You could have like, you could have just like a total like serial killer

be like, you know, women's lips. Up upstairs, we don't know. I think maybe somebody... I don't know. Apparently I personally would say it's filled with microphones. Yeah, the distress would probably not be able to complete this interview. Let's move on then. Yes.

Of these three cars, which one most appropriately described your life at this point, so you got the question? A, a car with no windows, B, a car with no radio, C, a car with no seats. It was good. So B, because my car actually does not have a radio that works very well. It's like a be a linear concept? Yeah, you know, it is. Like, are you an exciting person outside the clinic? Would you consider yourself, or are you a home drum? Well, I have a pretty normal life. Like, you know, I take my steps on the soccer practice, go out to eat the family on,

I'm sure you can appreciate it. Yeah, you just like the women's lip pie. I'm in there. So it does have like a very mundane existence? Yeah, I try to keep my life since moving out in New Jersey as normal as possible. We went to St. Louis. And the rain are.

I was, what was a LA con, right? Yes. No, I was in LA for some reason. Went out to Cieric and his wife. It's like what, like, 50 miles outside of LA. It's this little town that's It's like if Mayberry is not a 50s Mayberry, but it's a Mayberry for today little like Main Street That's where you live. Yes, very suburban and that's what he was talking about wanting to be normal wanting to be normal and

Like almost gaslighting his wife into believing that she wants to live there because it is so normal. Like, he didn't want to hear it. He didn't want to hear anything. I like that. I like that. I mean, Mayberry, I think everybody should aspire to Mayberry. Yeah. Most don't. Why do you...

I think in Troy, it's Bill, they're trying to aspire to it right now. Why the fuck are you talking about that? Hey. Hey, hey, hey! What's wrong with that black lady? Fuck it, I'm not sure. Yeah. Hey. Hey! Hey! What's wrong with that black lady? Lail Barney?

Yeah, so our police, they came to where we live to do an educational kind of seminar, teaching us how to be more safe in the neighborhood and they told us that if we saw someone Stealing our recycling we should call 911 They take the tie bottles out of the recycling they fill it up with cheap laundry detergent return it to Walmart for full price bottles out of the recycling, they fill it up with cheap laundry detergent, return it to Walmart for full price. That's not his problem. That's Walmart's problem. Yeah. Is it more so like because the town wants the money for the recycling? It's more of they want to discourage anyone with any sort of suspicious type activity from coming around. So they say, you come and get the recycling, but then you see that there's

something on your lawn that might be worth value valuable and they'll come back for that. I think from what I heard it's the people who do that, they do it for drug money and so you're getting drugies digging through your trash, which is when I guess a lot of police departments don't want. Have you ever called 911 on a raccoon? That was in your trash can? No, I have not. We were called 911 on a raccoon. Those in your trash can. No, I have not. What about the questions here about the car? Like you don't see the metaphor for a car with no windows.

You don't see a metaphor for a car with no radio. So maybe the car with no windows, your suicidal? No, you have no control where you're going. OK, so you're just throwing along. Yeah, you're just along for a ride right you don't get to choose your path Okay, you may get you may get to a destination, but you didn't pick the destination It's not the one you want it because how do you know you're getting there? Yeah, and a destination may be totally not where you want to be

But you know what you got no windows in your car so you can't you can't tell you just get in the car and drive Fuck Car no radio is you don't, you don't deserve comfort. You don't deserve, you're trying to punish yourself. And you're low-key. You think that would be a car with no seats, but you're wrong. And so let's talk about the question. So the last option, what is that?

Car with no seats? Yes. Means you're all by yourself. Yeah, it means you're all alone. You have nothing in your life. So every single answer choice means that there's something wrong with you. So no matter what you choose, I mean, we all have something wrong with us, right? Don't, don't, don't, don't get all high in white.

We've had a great shit run with you. I know how you grew up. You're strong with you. I'm not. Yeah. You may cover it up. But this gets to the root. Yeah, just get it better. So, so, yeah. You may cover it up, but this gets to the root.

This is better. So, yeah, so this question set implies everyone has some sort of disorder. I would think so. I mean, not a disorder, that may be too strong a word, but somebody's dealing with something. Okay. And I mean, nobody's not dealing with something at some point. That's why the question says, at this point in your life, very important. I don't know if you picked up on that, that's why you put that in here.

That's why you asked you, did you understand the question? Yes. So you could also think of this more of a judgment question. I changed my fire. I was aware. I mean, maybe not having a radio in a car is not really that bad because you can still drive it. But your life is devoid of any,

you have no music in your life. It's not a real radio, bro. It's not a floor. You don't have any music in your life is the void of any, you have no music in your life. It's not a real radio, bro. It's not a form. You don't have, you don't have any music in your, it's an allegory. You don't have any, you don't have any joy. I suppose joyless ever since. Yeah, there's no music in your life. You don't dance. You're not informed. You're not getting the news. You're not getting the weather. You're just protecting your recyclables. I I'm gonna stand by my choice Of what the radio radio or a strawberry all right question five only got three more to go. I know you're And not because it's 80 to

Complete the lyrics to the chorus of this song we are the world. We are the children. We are the ones who blank I'm not looking for you to complete the exact chorus. Here's where you get a little Magic and you put you do your own little you riff. Okay. Yeah, that's the word. We're looking for the world Yes, we are the children. We are the show. We are the one to We are the children. We are the, we are the one two. Decide the future. Try to work Jerry's windows. Yeah.

Just. We are the ones who decide the future. I can tell that, that's a legit about it. He definitely thinks that though. Yeah. That's why he's trying to help people out. He believes the children are the future. Oh my God.

Oh my God. Oh my god. This crop of pussy's were all reason. You got to look at these kids today and be like, holy shit. But they're still going to decide the future regardless of what happens. They decide the future itself. But I know you're hard on the millennials. I kind of have a soft spot. I'm not so much anymore.

I have not tons of cool people. It's the millennials on a social media net Wine about everything Mm-hmm, but I've met plenty that are totally more you should live in San Francisco for 10 years and then nothing I just act I just hold you just read you brought that up. You can talk about this. I'll tell you about San Francisco Okay, so now if I had not told you to riff or get them actually 148 didn't tell you to riff Would you have just complete it the exact lyrics of the song? Or would you have put your own lyrics in?

I would have probably tried to remember the lyrics which I'm not really that good at remembering. It's a pretty big song, no? It was a very big song. Yeah, I'm not really good at remembering things that don't have like a purpose for myself. Well, this is the Dubai this song this song had a purpose it was to help save and starving kids. Yeah, but I wasn't starving. So at that point, you weren't you weren't looking to help your mankind. No, so I mean if we're just trying to save himself. Okay, I have a good memory for my day to things that are in my day to day life and useful to me

All right, so you're gonna be remembering these questions is what you're saying you have a very good memory too I think it's getting worse Well everybody's memory gets worse, but I actually Was listening years ago and I thought you could have been a doctor because that's part of It's just being able to Remember did you miss this you just Eric just said I could have been a doctor You could have been a doctor. Yeah, it could his memory is just I mean, yeah, sometimes you'll'll say something I'm like how could

possibly remember that but you have to have that kind of detailed memory to remember all these orders he's open up some locations you don't have to do that necessarily I don't think I could be a brain surgeon yeah there's all different ways to practice medicine. I couldn't get into blood, like the blood in the, in the gore and everything I couldn't do that. And I didn't. And I didn't.

Yeah. But you do like to sit in judgment. So maybe like psychiatrists or psychologists. Yeah. You, you say, he says judgment. I say I'm just trying to help. Well, you have a good barometer for normal because you try to have a very normal life. I try to hammer normal into any anywhere I'm at. I try to hammer it in even if it won't fit.

The hammer of planned. He hammers that square peg into that round hole. Helping guide other folks back into the bell curve. This next question. I love this question. This may be one of my finest question on the quiz. Do you want to look at this question? Oh, yeah, go ahead. This is a map of San Francisco. So this is 2014.

These are, I guess, two sections. And that's 2017. Now, what these areas indicate are reports of fecal matter found in the streets. In three years, it's nearly tripled. The sanctuary city piece of shit San Francisco. What kind of fecal matter? So the first thing I want to ask you is, are you blaming illegal immigrants for the fecal matter? I think they have the same tricks. Not building enough portable jobs, right?

Not keeping up. Is this human fecal matter? Yes. So I mean, San Francisco, they just went even more left, because they just elected a new mayor. That's going to lead the city in a even more liberal direction. I mean, they sometimes put the rights of everyday citizens that live in their city. Fuck low, the tax paying ever citizens below the rights of, you know, the homeless

and the criminals. Not that all homeless are criminals, but... The rights of many outweigh the needs of the people. Yeah, but all we're drug dealers. I mean, the city is... It will fall apart, right? It can't exist with that mindset. So this is my comment on San Francisco. There is no city that has as much wealth and know how connected to it at any point in, I think, world history, probably.

And they still cannot solve these social problems. So I don't know why they think they should be telling everyone else how to solve these problems. So sanctimonious. Here's how you do it. Are you getting well? Are you welcome back when you get back to? There's a lot of people that would very disagree well Southern California is a little bit more conservative than San Francisco is there a any way to break down the listenership by state I don't think we have a lot of I don't think we have a lot of San Francisco listeners though like maybe a few

and if they are they're not the ones crappin' in the streets. How do you want to live in a place like that? Where you say like the people who are criminals, or are drug addicts, or are homeless in it, but it's like everything is geared towards these guys. And the sanctuary city thing, the only reason I bring that up is because San Francisco was a girl who was shot to death by a guy who San Francisco was protecting and who had been deported five fucking times. Yes. You know? Like I don't understand it. I don't understand.

It was not the case like where someone got less time, they shot like a seal or something, they got more time than killing the girl or something like that. Maybe. Probably. Or sea line. Oh yeah, down at the docks. Speaking of docks. I've got some hard stuff.

Question six. If you could recreate or reimagine the fishing pole, what thing would your pole catch? I think that was actually Q. So I like that question. Yeah. I think the pie was apple and you and you derided him for that. That's a good question. So what would I catch with a fish and pull if I could redesign it? Happiness? You fucked up. But what if you can't define it? You can't define happiness though.

Well, I mean you said I could catch anything I want. But you have to be catch anything I want. But it's a video, but having someone catch that thing is, though. It has to be. So I have to be a top free object. Yeah. All right. So, um, money, which if you want to, if you said, I don't believe that. I don't believe you, uh, what you want to catch money.

If that was the true, you, be in your own practice, right? I mean, but if I had a fish or a pole, I mean, it doesn't sound like it. If I took no none of my time to catch money, then maybe that would be worth it. Fishing takes time. Where if I go to work every day, it takes a lot of time. It's my life, right? So the correct answer is AIDS. I mean, fishing takes time. The pole helps you, but it still takes time. Yeah, it's not a cure on you. So what does that mean?

Well, I mean, I think it means you're just a shallow as you're more like just a shallow if not more than your common man. And if you want to catch money, you know. So at this point, are you going to put all of my answers together? That's the last question, right? We've got others's two more. Oh, there's two more. But you know what I think is the greatest answer to that question?

Given by his daughter after being prodded? My daughter, my daughter said it and I was blown away and it made me go like, like put me in my place, maybe sit there and like for a second and you're like, you're smarter than a doctor I didn't know it at the time but yeah you're probably is yeah okay fish boom wow that is that is I think that's like saying apple for apple pie not saying that you're, you cannot improve on possibly the greatest invention man has ever come up with. But why would that be considered the greatest invention?

How would we, how would we people eat if they didn't have a deficient poll? I mean, think about how, think about, think about, think about, think about, think about the levels of civilizations that are built upon fishing. Yes, it's the beginning of the pie. They use nets to fish mostly or a spear. That's, that's where the, oh, they have their defic fish mostly or a spear. That's where they're fishing poles back then. Yeah, it's... Well, they did have like those little bone hooks and shit like Indians and Carbollola.

How many meals have you made for yourself by fishing? Like, family or normal people. Yeah. I mean, to me, it's like, it's also saying that like, you know what I'm not I'm not good enough to improve upon something that Basically is a perfect piece of equipment. We've already covered it though. We've covered it though Man, he's a doctor. He's like I'm next to God like I'm that God's right hand fucking curing people and shit I can deliver upon God. Yeah, like it's a God fucking blinks. Oh, I'm right there. Wait for that, Mr. I think structurally this is the same question as the Apple pie question.

Oh, no, it's not. You just don't let down on your show. And think think about the enjoyment a person gets when they catch a fish. Whenever you see a picture of a person holding up that fish, they're never sad. They're never sad. People talk about fish tails, right? Like it's the one that got away or they talk about the one that they caught and they put it on the wall. How important is the fish to human civilization? Now it's everything. I mean, it's a pretty big religious symbol as well, I guess. Then we wouldn't have one of the greatest 76 comfortable times. Yeah. I guess I'll have to stand corrected.

Yeah. I like that you will, though. You will admit that. He's humble. He's humble. Very humble here. All right, last two. Are you the type of person who would rather

spay things or neuter them? Spay? I suppose. or neuter them. Spey? I suppose. You don't want to say it? I know you're still right answer. You saw we were going left, you went right. Why, how so? I think it's probably just because it was the first choice in the set and I was kind of caught off guard by the question entirely

Maybe it is a very excellent question. So we got a doctor on the run. Yeah, I'm definitely against the wall here But like I would imagine though you there's a lot to be said about somebody you know who wants to space something or who wants to neuter people Well, you're such a misogynist? I ask question. Okay. Would you rather have all the flowers in the world be white or have all the food in the world taste like chocolate? I would like to have the food taste like chocolate.

What are you thinking? 148? Shitsants and then he wants to help people but now he's not wanting to help people. I so I think that he wants everything to taste like chocolate. Again, we said what if people don't like chocolate? He's imposing his will upon them. What's wrong with flowers being all white? Yeah. I felt like if I said that I was going to be called a racist. That's the way that question was designed. Some of us believe that white is all colors put together. We didn't think we'd be quizzing the doctor on this. We thought, you know, they'd be quizzing a racist. So what do you think, those eight questions? You think you can work with any of them?

Do any of them have any potential to be helpful to you in your field? I mean, maybe there are some that can help you determine a person's ability or level of abstraction, but I think the answer you consider correct is actually the wrong answer. Which one? Give me an example. So, you can ask questions like, so a common question we ask is, how are, get them, how

are a table in a chair alike? You can both sit on them. You can sit on a table? Sure. Sure. Okay, so that would be considered like a low level of option. You know, the answer is typically they both have four legs. So, yeah, so we would consider like maybe a child would answer that you could sit on a table. So, wait a minute, you're totally good.

You've never had anybody say that you could sit on both of them, you could sit on a table, you could sit on a chair. Yeah, I did try to help. But, yeah, so maybe you'd give you another one. How are an Arnction and Apple alike? They're both round. Okay. How are an orange and an apple alike? They're both round.

Okay, so that's also kind of a low level answer. So a higher level would be they grow on fruit. I know they're both fruit. So we're trying to figure out a person's ability to kind of abstract the world around them. Give me another one. So concrete, you're very concrete, right? I don't know. They're both rowdy-god-indictor.

Not me at all. You have to solve a toilet. Contrary thinking. You helped us to. Oh, I thought I was going to call it. I was a fancy toilet, too. I broke the tour, too. I broke the seal, too.

You want a standard judgment question? Sure. Oh, listen, maybe, um, okay, so you're in a movie theater. And there is, and you see smoke coming from under the door. What would you do? What can I ask a question about that? What door are we talking about? The exit door or the door to get out of the or the door to get into the theater? Well, you're in the movie theater. You just observe smoke coming from a door. Any door any door in the movie theater.

I need a pen. So most people that are children do not get this question correct. So most children will get this question correct. Most adults typically do. Done. All right. I wrote, quietly leave and check the news later on. Okay, so obviously that's not the correct answer.

What is 48, what did you put? Touch knob or door. Gross. Oh, you're going to match that. Okay. It's not the bathroom that's on fire. Also not the correct answer. Maybe I got it then. Okay. Get myself

on my family out and alert the management. So yeah, your answer contains the correct answer, which is alert the management. So I wrote that down too and that's not a bullshit. Yeah. I can see the proof. So I'm of the So the child for last two So you know Well, when I heard Michael Jordan, I mean I hear MJ. I think Michael Jordan. No Michael Jackson bro I don't know if you want your point to hear that So it's another one, man. Here's your question.

Another judgment question? Yeah. OK, so you find a stamped address letter on the ground. What do you do? Put it in the mailbox. Bye, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I know. Hey, six.

This is a trick question. Was it repeated? You find a sealed, addressed and stamped letter on the ground. What do you do? Okay, I'm done. You're still writing? A little bit. Okay, I'm done.

Go ahead, Bryce. You're probably got? A little bit. Okay, I'm done. Go ahead, Bryce. You're probably going to jail question. My answer was, Open the letter, then go to the address, and then personate whomever the letter was from. Wait, when the address would be on the envelope, why would you need to open it? Because I want to look at the letter to see who it's from.

That would also be on the envelope. No, if I... But I don't know the content of the letter to see who it's from. That would also be on the envelope. No, if I don't know the content of the letter. Oh, okay, you want to know. Okay. Yeah, I need some information. If I'm going to impersonate someone, get them. I have to know the fucking information. I said, dropping a mailbox. Which is the. Okay. Okay. What do you mean? What do you say? That's the right. But I will say I did once. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no my letter. I'm gonna say if it's my letter, this is one I'll open it. If it's not, I'll take necessary action. What would that be?

Well, if it's forget him, I'll throw it out. Oh, the boss. Especially if he says do not throw out on it. No, I would put it in the mailbox. I will say the one time I did, I found someone's paycheck on the side of the road and I actually was like four blocks away. So I was on my bike. I rode to their house and dropped it and they're, I found someone's paycheck on the side of the road and I actually was like four blocks away so I was on my bike. I rode to their house and dropped it and there was...

It's not trying to carry favor with a doctor. Nobody gives a fuck about your anecdote. So the correct answer is you need to put it in a mailbox. But... Well, what if it's addressed to you? You didn't say it wasn't addressed to you. You're not God. Let the post office do its job.

Right. I mean, I guess you have to be a... Yeah. ...it's not addressed to you. Yeah. Your peers would be riding your balls on that one, right? Oh, man. You didn't say that in one of the boxes.

Can you change the question in the DSM6? Yeah, I still passed it. What did they give that to you? That question. It's a standard question. It's usually part of the interview to assess judgments. You can use that question, use the theater question, to assess abstract concrete thinking use those other two questions I asked about the fruit and the table and share. Okay. The letter one though. What other answers have you heard aside from the very obvious put it in the mailbox? Often depending on the person they would say, I'll just leave it there.

And those typically are folks that have been harassed by the police a lot, or or they are suspicious or feel like if they touch it something will happen. I interact. To them. Yeah, that's a big problem for a couple of days. So the best answer I ever heard. Yeah, I got a job because of that. Oh, I only had a best answer. A kid told me they would find the address on Google and then go deliver themselves instead

of putting it in the mailbox. Is that what he almost said? That's what I did. Google and then go deliver it themselves instead of putting it in the mailbox But I didn't well you I thought you said you put it. Oh you put it in their their mailbox No, I drove up I bike to another house. I thought you meant like a mailbox on the street. No, I knocked on their door Okay, so I'm gonna take some guys trying to take my recent so that answer came from a seven-year-old So Yeah, it's good. It's not me trying to take my results. So that answer came from a seven year old. So that was childlike. Yeah, it's good, it's not me. Yeah, because theoretically it could be anywhere.

So you would think only a child would think they would have the ability to deliver the letter, you know, themselves. An adult would think that they would just drop it in the mailbox because someone obviously dropped it on accidentally Steve, you know what I think we both learned something from each other's question. Yeah, I think I will be judging the you know The other residents psychiatrist more harshly during their mock interviews

Have you thought of that? What if I was addressed to them? You should bring that up Like next time you do that question you could turn it on you could turn in a whole way of thinking around with just a one simple answer You'll rock this the what they were rock the psychiatry world man You know the car questions particularly I wonder if we can think we could turn dyslexia into some kind of psychological test I think it's always been a cycle

Oh, the test on the very beginning. Yeah, if you get pissed what you do That's all I got man Wow, I think what we learned here today is that we're kind of all doctors and all and all and all, and all, all, all what's the call, when all have a little bit of cracks, like no one, no one's a perfect egg. You'll have a little cracks here and there, right? No matter how normal you try to be,

no matter how normal, try to convince yourself yourself things are, it's just not, it'll never be. I'm all the same.'ll always be a Johnson. Tell them to you day. Tata. Tudulu. Oh, you don't know.

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