Tell Em Steve-Dave - #464.5: It Was The Times: Black Christmas

Episode Date: December 25, 2020

Bry and Frank 5 are joined by stalwart 13%er Chelsea Hughs to talk about the horror classic.

I did my best, but I guess my best wasn't good enough. Hello and welcome back to another episode of It Was The Times with Frank five. Yes, hello. How you doing there, Frank? I'm doing well, Brian. And people may notice there's a third mic this time around. Our good friend Chelsea. Hello. 13% of who knows a lot about horror and we're talking hard today.

So where is it horror? How do you think, Frank? Horror, right? Yeah, well, I pronounce everything incorrectly. So you're not gonna wanna ask the upstate New Yorker, but Chelsea, how do you guys pronounce it? See, we do it like horror. Okay, yeah, you're way wrong.

No. But I say it like horror. Horror, and where are you from? I'm from Glasgow in Scotland. So that's when my voice sends like this. Okay. If I come across this really awkward, it's because I'm so... So what this is is a pilot program, Frank, and a lot of it is resting on Chelsea shoulders today,

because you and I talk movies and shit, and I think from now on, maybe we can just randomly pick somebody who wants to come on, who knows a lot about a movie, and you know, it's a kind of a way to get everybody involved. So Chelsea, if you fuck up, ruin's it forever. On the first person. Yeah, you're the guinea pig. Yeah, you're it. I'm so lucky. We, yes, we're listening to what the people want and we're giving it to them. Yeah, there are less of you guys more someone else. Julie, you may think that my horror movie knowledge

is way better than it as I disagree. Maybe you said 70s. You're not as familiar with. But when I was I went to a con in Scotland. This is how I met Chelsea. I went to a convention in Scotland with Mike and Ming. And we had an ant meetup one night. And there were a lot of people there. And everybody was drunk. Except Chelsea. And myself, we were sitting off like to the side. And when she won side and when she wanted to do his talk hard and make fun of Ming's dance moves, so I'm like, this is a person that I can get along with.

Oh, I'm toxic pranos as well. I talk to pranos, yeah. So everything she's talking about is right in my wheelhouse. Yeah, definitely very likable. Just clicked right away. So that's how I met Chelsea. And today we're going to talk Black Christmas, 1974 movie by Bob Clark directed by anyway. But this is the third Bob Clark movie we've done, Frank.

It is. And, you know, it's kind of weird because Bob Clark, I mean, he seems like he's probably an off kind of guy. I mean, he made the Christmas story, right, which was the wholesome, wonderful, but everything else that we've ever reviewed of his is a little off. It's a little bit fucked up. Yeah. This one taken to cake, I think. Have either of you guys seen the movie Death Dream? Never seen it.

No, it's also great. It's also dead of night. That's another one he did in the same year. He did black Christmas. I recommend it to anyone who hasn't seen it. It's not the easiest movie in the world to find, but it's about this guy. He was a, he was like a Vietnamese, Vietnam soldier from America. He gets shot over there. And as he's like going out, he remembers like he's thinking of his mom saying like, Andy you said you would come back, you have to promise to come back. So he, even though he, he obviously expires on the battlefield because his parents get a notice, they're like, hey, your son died. So they're all broken up and upset. But then a few days later, he shows up. And they're

like, of course, they're overjoyed. They think it's just been a mistake, but you know, from there on, it's kind of like pet cemetery a little bit. Oh, okay. Except for the human. So he's not the same person. No, not at all. And he becomes less and less the same person. This time goes on. It's really cool.

Oh, wow. Yeah. Definitely something to check out. This movie, you can actually find, I don't know about you guys. I found it on the website Voodoo VU DU and it's For free. So the website is free the movie is played for free I don't know if they had any other of the sequel already of the other remakes

I think that the one that was 2006 was on that website, but not the newest one So have you seen either? No, and I, because when I was doing the research for this, they just got such poor reviews. And the last one that's all I kept reading about was that it was all girl power, politically correct, kind of, you know, and I don't know how you even do that with this movie.

That was the latest one. Well, that's why it didn't work because they were, they were kind of trying to like turn it on its ear and have the girls be, you know, overwhelming the killer. But it's like, well, how does that work? Right. There's, you know, then, then if people aren't afraid of someone, and the killer's supposed to now be afraid of them, it just doesn't really. I heard in one of the, the remakes, they went into the, the afraid of them. It just doesn't really. I heard in one of the the remakes they went into the the backstory of belly. I don't recall. Yeah, I saw the 2006 one too. They're so forgettable.

And again, like, why do you want to go into the backstory of Billy? Like, isn't it better? You know, now that if you haven't seen the movie, go watch it and then come on back because obviously we're going to hit you with a bunch of spoilers. But much like Michael Myers, like not knowing his origin or why he's so fucked up, I find more appealing. Or in this movie, even knowing who he is by the end. Yeah. One of those rare occasions where they're not going to tell you.

I have to agree with you. I'm definitely somebody who likes things more in a nice neat package. Then to have this movie where at the very end, you still don't really know who the guy is. Normally, that would be something that would bother me, but it totally works, I think, for this movie. No. The phone rings at the end, so then just assume it's not the guy.

Yeah, he's still around whoever they get. I mean, they don't, it's really weird at the end too, because you know, we're really jumping ahead here. I know. But isn't it weird at the end how they know that these that uh Peter and Jess, you know, they find them. Jess appears to be the last one alive. but what do they search the entire house? Because Claire is still upstairs like in the window with a dryer, dry cleaning bag overhead. The police force must be a hamlet, I guess. Oh yeah, right.

Because I mean, you know, who they have Sergeant Nash who was a complete, you know, he makes Barney Fight look like SWAT, you know, it's yeah, yeah, it's just horrible. But yeah, and the fact that they all left her was was ridiculous. Mm-hmm. Then even takers in the hospital. Well, she, no, she was already sedated. They were letting her rest. This killer is still on the loose and they're all like, let's go.

We're all going to go to the morgue. This was a Canadian movie masquerating as an American movie. Yeah. Like you could tell the obvious accents, some of the street signs, that kind of thing. Yeah. Now, what I've never seen is a Scottish horror movie. There is one, it's a We're Wolf movie. And oh my god, the name. I think it's dog soldiers actually. Oh, yeah, I've seen that. I think it's really good. It's great actually.

Dog soldiers. That's the only one that I can think of. Or maybe there's just one Scottish guy in it. So maybe it's not even as good as it is. It's not even Scottish. You guys will claim it though. It's that they claimed it. Like what else is Scott it?

What is Scotland known for or Scottish people known for? Plane. Loch Ness Monster. The Loch Ness Monster. For bad foods. For bad food. Yeah, that was a big deterrent to ever go back to Scotland. What was their food?

I mean, I found it to be very like I felt like Walt Flanagan how Walt Flanagan feels in America. I see how the way that wall as with food that's the way that I'm like I'm so picky I'll just pack a food and then I'll go with it really in like five years. So imagine it living here and being like, well, but what is it? What are you guys like known for? What do you eat? I am like, haggis. I was going to, that's what, that was the only thing that was going to come to my mind. Isn't it something like that you cook at a cow's stomach? It's the, the lining of a sheep's stomach, I think, but somebody said to me yesterday that wasn't even meat and I was like what? No, it's to me

That's what your guys are known for Blood sausage to right blood sausage do you guys eat square sausage? I think you you were you said when you were on the panel at the Comic Con you were served that potato scone and You're you're just so confused because you're like, that's not scone. Yeah, I can't remember what they had in me, but I'm like, this isn't what I got at Starbucks. This is something different. Yeah, Edinburgh, Edinburgh is different. Edinburgh is like a different breed. Yeah, it's different than other cities. Yeah.

Sounds wonderful. It actually was like it was really cool like we like Ming and I went I spent a lot of time with Ming looking at castles and old type stuff. I went to a museum of like medical like a medical torture museum in shit. It was it's a it's a very cool place. I mean I'm sure you don't think so because you've lived your whole life, but like visiting there, I thought was was interesting people from Glasgow tend to have something against people from Edinburgh for some reason I can't explain it, but I get it Play you have something against them. You just don't know why the next time that you come here come to Glasgow

It's much different That's where all the cool people are. Yeah. All right. Nice people. Nice. So, this movie, Black Christmas, basically, it opens on a sorority house, and there's a bunch of girls living there, and it's about to leave for Christmas break, I believe right?

Yep. And one thing we've got one thing we've taken some hits on Frank is people some people don't like that we Recap the entire movie Okay, so So we'll just we'll skip around we'll recap some of the movie. Yeah, just some of it. Yeah Um, how do you guys like pack which parts you're gonna talk about? I don't know.

That's why you're here. Yeah. You pick all the interesting stuff. No pressure. I'm just gonna talk. So normally like we talk a little bit about like the background of the movie, like you know how much it cost to make

and when it was released and you know any little interesting facts and stuff. And then, you know, basic plot and then I kind of just, what I have is just what happened throughout the movie, just some talking points. So we, we'll just, I did a lot less than we normally would only have like four pages this time. So it shouldn't be as bad. Yeah. So basically, these girls are about to, they're about to go home most of them. They're getting crank calls. This is one of those people are calling saying really,

I mean, it's said in a note that I read that the girls are reacting to stuff that's very tame. Like when it was read on set, the what they were saying was very tame. And he went, my park went back in later on and added all that really weird shit. The net shows that he's not all there in the head. Right. He's he's also thinking, man, he's thinking. If I say to these women right now, what I really want to put in the movie,

they're going to freak out and be upset because this was, you know, 1974, there's a scene where Barb, who's played by Margot Kitter, and she was Lois Lane, of course, and Superman, says something like, hey, this is a sorority, not a convent. And like humor like that, I guess, was sort of riballed in the sale. You know, you know, you know, you don't want to think I wanted to ask was Chelsea, how old are you? I'm 21. I mean, two next month. If I make any difference. Okay. So you're going to be 21 next month. I'll be 22 next month. 22 next month. So right, you and I will remember what it was like to actually have a landline and a house phone.

I remember a rotary phone. That's it. Yeah. So, I mean, the phone ringing or getting a crank call, I mean, that's not something that even happens nowadays because of everybody with their cell phones. I remember, you know, our phones ringing late at night and how you did get that feeling of nervousness. Is it, was it, you're like, this is bad news? You always.

Nobody calls this late unless it's bad news. Yeah. Have you ever had a landline? Me? No, I know you have. Yeah, it's Jose. Hey, I, I mean, I still do. I still go with.

You have one? Really? Yeah. Let's see. It's probably rotary. Do you have a rotary phone? No, it's just like a normal handling. And why do you have that? So even I don't have a landline. I'm an old man.

Everybody gets one. If you're like seeing what internet package you get or whatever, like everybody has a landline that comes with that. So nobody uses it, but they've got it. I was going to say, like, people, even myself, it's like I would much prefer to text than like get on a phone and talk to someone. You know, especially if it's not about something important.

So yeah, I can't imagine a light. Like it's just not like it was back in the day. Like you remember in the 70s and 80s, like the the trope was like girls constantly in the day. You remember in the 70s and 80s, the trope was girls constantly on the phone, talking to each other, having mean girls, having four-way conversations, as technology advanced. But as far as this movie goes,

there was a line, and that line would never stop ringing until it was picked up or the person on the other end gave up. Yeah. Like, I mean, I don't even know if there were rudimentary answering machines. I was just going to say no answering machines. And I mean, look at when they went and traced the call. I mean, it was all mechanical and, you know, with gears and stuff. Wasn't that cool? It was really cool. It makes you wonder how did they actually trace it? I mean, did this guy have to see what spool

or whatever was moving and then run to it and then try and figure it out that way? It was incredible. That guy, that lineman, he's the same guy who played the Christmas tree salesman in a Christmas story. Get out, really? Yeah, the guy he was negotiating with. Oh, wow.

I didn't pick that up. I didn't pick up on that. Yeah, that's the same dude. Oh, that's awesome. Have you ever been cranked called Chelsea? Like have you ever received threatening phone calls? Or at least we're once I never answer my phone in general. It's just it's just something I'm like, if you can text me then don't call me. Please. That would be the biggest plot hole these days.

Like somebody, especially if you're not recognized in number, you're like, I'm not picking a fucking phone up. Right. Like, why would I? It's almost like, I killed you if it's like a private number as well. So yeah, it's almost like this movie couldn't happen nowadays, not because it's not a good movie. It's just the technology. Oh, yeah, you just couldn't do it.

I mean, I don't know. I remember when. I mean, I don't know. I remember when I mean, I don't know about you I mean, did you ever prank anybody on the phone when you were younger? You're talking about your Chelsea. Either one of you, but you brought you Chelsea. You have Oh, I used to do it all the time like for whatever reason when I was like six or seven I would call 911 just to see who would pick up. Even though that's not like our number, we're 999. So you were dying on the emergency light. Yeah, like over where you guys are. So I was like, I'm saying they're not going to catch me. Oh, yeah, the tour of all the time. I would save my house. So I would just go there, I would say my house, so I would just go there, like I'll go to a public phone, I wouldn't do it from my own phone.

I do it all the time. I like to feel like the reverse phone calls, like there's this thing, I can't remember what it's called, but if you dial a certain number, it charges the other person that picks up, and I would just call all these random people. All right, you were committed. Yeah. My friend and I would randomly call people and pretend we were from a radio station that they had won a big prize. Like we give them a very easy question.

They would answer and then we would be like, Oh, you didn't win. Like some stupid bullshit. I know, but that stuff was like so much fun. I, um, we used to do a couple of different things. One of the things I used to do is back in the day, cordless phones, you could pick them up on police scanners. You would program in the night. So I would listen to the different neighbors phone conversations. And then like if somebody made like dinner reservations or something, I would then call the restaurant back after you can't salon. It's horrible. I know.

That's like neck and neck with the 911 shit. I know. Yeah, committed. Funny thing about when some you make a crank call to somebody and they're like, who is this? Like, I'm not going to tell you like that's that's the one question I'm not likely to answer. It is. The more upset they get, the better it is. Mm-hmm.

What I liked in the beginning of the movie, I don't know if you noticed, but like right after there's the, I mean right before the crank call, the guy sort of walks into his own POV and he climbs up that trellis. Like have you ever climbed a trellis to get to a girl or snuck in a window? You want to know something I have. I haven't climbed a trellis, but I have snuck into a house before to see a girl. No, is she aware of you having this? Well, that's a totally different question. You didn't ask me that. One of them was. No, the one girl, yeah, she was aware that I was coming over and visiting. Yeah. You ever sneaking?

I never had an opportunity to sneak into anyone's house. No. No, I've snuck out of the house many times just to go do things, but sneaking in, I've never had that Chelsea, any sneaking. I've never snuck into every house. I know these snuck into my house, because I mean, nobody had a reason to sneak into my house. I don't know if they're just not here.

They could just knock on the door. Yeah. Oh, all right. Another question I had, we'll wait. So this girl Claire, she walks upstairs and she's getting ready for, you know, to leave like everyone else. She goes into her walk-in closet and this is where we eventually find out this guy's name is Billy.

Throws a plastic bag overhead suffocates her. And then for whatever reason puts her, what I didn't think was the attic but the top floor, right? Because there's a top floor and then there's the attic, at a hard time getting the layout of this house. I think that it was the attic that he brought her in, in the rocking chair, right, where it's looking out of the window, right? I believe it's the attic.

And the only reason is because at the end when they killed Mrs. Mac they were in the same spot. Where they because she looked like she got hauled up didn't she? Mrs. Mac got hauled up but I don't know about Claire Claire it just she was killed and then the next thing you knew she was in that rocking chair so I kind of just assumed that he brought her up a new the attic off camera. Right. Mrs. Mac is the house mother. By the way, anybody. I didn't know anybody here. What's that? I mean, how did nobody hear? Like, you know, the really all-crusters to get up to the attic. Yeah. How the fuck did nobody hear that?

Or hear her screaming as like, you have to assume that like, because what they do is they swing this, the Billy swings a winch hook at her. And I guess you're supposed to assume that it like hooked her like in the under the jaw or somehow it hooked her and then he like winched her up into the attic. I feel like there'd be a lot of screaming going on. And people would hear that. Yeah. Or just hauling her, I mean,

groaning from him, hauling her big ass up there. I mean, it's dead weight now and it was a lot of dead weight. Miss Mecha has a drinking problem as you learn throughout the... One thing that I was like, look, I know, well, the Scottish people, you love drinking, right? Oh, yeah. No tolerance is just... Off the charts. Now, do you love drinking so much that you would hide it in a toilet tank?

That seems extreme to me. We just do it out in the street. We don't go a fog. There's something about like... Even in books and everything, that's just extreme. Like, you remember, like, I think it's Vermont's licensed plate like their state slogan is like live free or die. Is I think it's Vermont? Vermont, a New Hampshire, one of the two. Yeah, I think it's New Hampshire. We're veto wet for the sopranos. Right, yeah.

Because it was a new year die. That sounds like that's how Scottish people live all the time. Like the entire place is just like, fuck it. It's, fuck it. It's chaos. Chaos and shitty food. See, I feel like 21 year olds here are so different from the 21 year olds in America It's like you've already done the the drinking stuff since we were like 13 so

Is there a drinking age there or no 18? Goodbye Okay, right, so if you're 21 here and you're sneaking drinks at 18, it makes sense that you would start it like 14, 15 somewhere in there. 13 seems young. Well, after she got done pranking the police department, she decided to go back and have a couple. The guilt was too much for me.

This is something I don't see a lot either in real life. I don't know if you guys have experience with carolers. Is people who sing Christmas carols coming to your house? No. That was an American thing. Is that? Oh, maybe. I mean, I remember people from the church when I was young coming and singing, but I couldn't remember if like you give them a tip or not. I wouldn't it be awkward for you to answer the door and a bunch of people are just singing an entire song to you?

And I don't, you know what? I think when somebody sings to you anyway, it's like you're being molested. There's like nothing, you know, you're so uncomfortable. I eat it when anybody sings when some amazing happy birthday. I don't like any of it. Like I have a buddy of mine who loves to sing. And whenever we're in the car and a song comes on, he'll just start singing.

And you know, it gets to a certain point. And he'll like turn to me to say the phrase, the refrain or whatever. So like, I'll keep a talk radio on just so I know I'm not gonna have to hear him sing. So I don't like any of that at all. Or happy birthday or any of that. No.

Not even happy birthday, well. No. Is it that you don't like, like what is it you don't like any of that at all, or happy birthday or any of that. No. Not even happy birthday, well. No. Is it that you don't like, like what is it you don't like about happy birthday? You're just being the center of attention, or do you not like singing it to other people too? I never, you know what? I don't sing it.

I fake it. I don't sing it to everybody. Yeah, yeah. That's so mean. You're calling me mean? No. It seems like bad luck or something. Well, no.

No, I guess the center of attention, I don't like being the center of attention. I don't, once again, I just don't like people looking at me and singing to me. It's just kind of weird. I mean, I really feel for those poor waiters and waitresses, they have to do it in the restaurants. That is, that is awful. Because you can see that their heart is not even close to being in it. And they're like, this is something that

like I wasn't aware I had to do when I got the job. But here we are. I think I saw the most uncomfortable thing two weeks ago. I was actually going to text you. There was a kid celebrating his like 11th birthday at Hooters. And all the way, all the way, and all the way, Trisha's came around and they were singing happy birthday to this 11 year old.

It was so uncomfortable. What now would you take happy birthday from a bunch of Hooters, waitresses? Yeah, I'd be able to. Would you suffer through it? I suffer through it. I push through. Yeah, I thought so.

So Jess goes to the conservatory, tells Peter she's pregnant and she doesn't want to have it. Now this is a big moment because I didn't particularly care for Jess's character. Me neither. Up to that point. Now what she does is she goes to this, her boy from Peter works at a conserv, or is a student at a conservatory, he's piano player. He's practicing for his recital coming up, which I'm not, like, I'm not exactly sure what this was if these people were judging him for something, like a grade or whatever, but he's playing in front of these, these next, he'll be playing in front of these three people.

But before that, just shows up. And this is really kind of shitty timing on her part, because she has to know that he's about to play, you know, he's under a sort of a stressful situation and says like, yo, I'm pregnant, I'm going to get an abortion. And he's blown away by that. Now what's important to remember is like this is 1974, only 1973, a year before was Roe vs. Wade and abortion became legal. So she's exercising her rights to sweet. She's right on there with you know. But I liked later on she also is like, you know, he comes to her because he's not giving up. He doesn't want the baby killed. He doesn't want the abortion. And he then says, like, hey, I want to marry you.

Like, let's get married. Like, that's the solution. Let's get married. And she's like, no, she's like, remember all this shit I said, I wanted to do them first got together. I still want to do that shit. You know, and he had dropped out. He said he's going to drop out of the conservatory.

And that's why they get married. And she's like, just because you change your mind, I mean, I'm going to change mine. And that moment, that's why they get married. And she's like, just because you change your mind, does it mean I'm gonna change mine? And that moment, that's what I liked her. I was like, that's a fuck, that's girl power. If you felt really, I hope this doesn't call it sound sexist, but it really felt like role reversal because it seems like usually when that happens,

it's the guy who wants to get rid of the baby and the girl wants to keep there. Usually, not all the time. Dude, I was yelling at my TV, like, are you fucking crazy? You're getting out of jail. Stop free. Get out of jail.

Get out of jail free, card man. Like, what are you talking about? Go play the fucking piano and shut up. I'm idiot. And I thought for him, because I had a girlfriend. I used to have a girlfriend, obviously a long time ago, who used to pull shit like, not the pregnant shit,

but used to pull that kind of shit where we got to talk. All right, what do we got to talk about? We got to do it tomorrow, or we'll talk about this later or whatever, and I fucking hated that. I always loved you hanging. Always left me hanging. You know, you know, then you're just nervous the entire night, you know, what is it gonna be?

Is this gonna be it or whatever? So I kind of felt for even though I didn't like Peter, I felt for him in those few moments. Yeah, he was kind of douchey. As were all the guys, like all the right. Yeah. Chelsea, like did all the guys come off as kind of douchey? Hey, yeah. I don't know if we're just a haircut. So, but I just, I had something that I was like,

I just really want to hate you so bad. The only one that the only guy I was like, all right, he's pretty cool was Lieutenant, I think, Fuller, John Saxon, right? Yeah. Who is the dad was Heather Lagan camp's dad in Nightmare on Elm Street. He looks the same and that movie. He looks exactly the same. He always looks real tan too, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah.

There were some things that like, again, like the joke of the times when Margot Kitter, Barb is at the police station and I guess what was his name? Nash. Nash asks for the phone number and at that time now, even I don't remember this where there was an exchange in a like, like it's the honeymooners or something. Yeah. And she says, you know, it's F, da da da da da da,

or Felicio phalacio. And then I guess Nash doesn't know what that means. Which I found hard to believe. Yeah. I mean, he's obviously an older gentleman. He's a sergeant, so there had to be some type of promotion that took place, and he doesn't know what phalacios. And then when they call him out on it,

it was almost like it wasi, you know, from the, oh, is this something dirty, you know, is it something sexual? And it's like, well, yeah, you can figure that out. Yeah. But that seems from what I hear from Troy, that's very typical, like ball breaking, dark humor type shit with cops, because I guess you have to be that way. Yeah. You know, otherwise you go nuts. Let's see, we go back to the police station. And this is kind of like, I guess this was just a setup for something that happens. Yeah. Otherwise you go nuts. Let's see. We go back to the police station and this is kind of like, I guess this was just a setup for something that happens later on. But a mother reports that her high school-aged daughter is missing. I'll run through a couple of these things.

Barb gets drunk and abusive, horrifying Mr. Harrison. Mrs. Mack gets killed, Billy flips out, tears apart the attic, and then this is the setup. They let lead you to believe that the high school girl is a Claire or somebody else, and you know, where they find a girl dead in the park. And they kind of lead you to believe that maybe it's Claire or maybe it's one of the other girls But it's just this high school chick and then never mention it again. Right. This movie was filled with red herrings You know, I mean you really the I mean Bob Clark was throwing you all over the place you there was that There was the fact that he was framing everything to make it look like Peter

Was the murderer that Peter was actually Billy? I mean there was there was stuff all of the places was a really like Slow burn type of movie and a and definitely filled with red hair and say that Just really got to me Chelsea do you have the Because like your generation is raised on a way different type of horror movie, like different editing, different writing, different, like everything is kind of different about it than the 70s, especially the plotting plot lines. People do not accept that. Like if you're not like off to the races within the first 10 minutes, you're going

to lose everyone. So like, is this, is this kind of movie more difficult for you to watch because you're like, would something fucking happen already? Yeah. Well, see, the first time I saw that was kind of my thing, I was like, this is a really slow burner movie. And I was like, okay, right, get to point. But then, I think see who, because the voice in it,

I like, they don't really do, like see who the voice is that uses on don't really do, like see how the voices that you use is on the phone and stuff like that. It's never that kind of suspenseful in the movies that I grew up with. It's always like the jump scares, the ghosts, the home cameras, like everything. But it's way better back then, I think.

Yeah, but you're right, this style, like once Blair Witch took off, everyone was like, holy shit, let's do a found footage movie. You know, or found footage plus, you know, like recorded shit, like paranormal activity or something like that. And it obviously fucking works because the movie isn't make a ton of money. But yeah, I would think it's more of like an MTV style cutting, like as they say, like things are very quick. And yeah, the jump scares, sage watches those Annabelle movies. And that is just jump scare after jump scare.

There's no real like, there's mood, there's a little bit of mood. Like the one, have you seen them? Any of those Annabelle movies? The one where he makes the dolls, like all the orphan girls come to the house and they're living there with this Fucking really weird guy and his wife and then the wife dies Actually, they watch they watch their own daughter get hit by a car. That's why he makes Annabelle in the first place That's like the one where Annabelle is created I think wasn't it? Yeah creation Yeah, I think so but yeah, well what I mean, that's that was pretty

fucking horrifying. Like that girl stepping out in front of that fucking racing car and just get mowed down right in front of her parents. I was like, just crazy. Now that's an opening to a movie. This was more along the lines of that I felt like a hitchcock almost. In the sense that hitchcock all we said, it's not what you see, it's what you don't see. That makes it scarier. Like if you think back to the movie Psycho, not once do you ever see the knife going into the Janet Lee character, because it was left to your imagination. And it was the same thing kind of like with this movie, you know, it's what you didn't see that really made you nervous, those that phone call, not knowing who Billy was,

not seeing who Billy was, it made it more scary, I thought. Yeah, and certainly like you just being like, oh my god, he's in the fucking house and these people don't know it. Like that's, like I watch a lot of that ID channel shit, you know, fucking can murder porn stuff and that's those are the scariest ones I think where somebody's in your house and you're sleeping. Never you couldn't be more defenseless.

When you're fucking sleeping and somebody's looming over you, deciding your fate basically, you know, that's a shitty position to be. There's not really much like storylines to movies coming out today. Like I think the Condra movies, they're a bit kind of recycled, but each one is the same kind of. Like you just, you go into a cinema and you watch it and every time you're like, I've just watched the same movie. You know what I find difficult with movies today too is like you're not, you're not given enough time

to like the people. You know, it's like if like a modern day horror movie if somebody's getting killed, you're like, I don't care because I've only known them for five minutes. Whereas like you take something like the haunting of Hill House and it's like spread out over, you know, 10 hours where you get to know these characters, then you can invest something. But in a movie that you know is going to end in 90 minutes and like you say, it's very formulaic. So you're like,

well, I know what's going to happen basically, you know, a bunch of people are going to get killed and then there's going to be some kind of twist ending that is like, you're, you know, you're left unsatisfied. Right. Exactly. Like, I mean, I even with this movie right here, I mean, I know you said, I forgot who said he didn't like Jess, I think it was Brian. Um, I kind of liked her. So by the end of the movie, you know, I, I really was kind of feeling for her. I was like, when Nash would call her up, I mean, he fucked it all up. They're like, don't tell her that there's anybody in the house. Just tell her to go outside and he calls her up. And he's like, aren't we need you to go outside?

He's like, well, I got to look for my friends. And he's like, he didn't, Nash is like, no, he's in the house. You got to get out of there. I was feeling for it. I was like, just get out of the house. Don't go and look for your other two friends. I don't want anything to happen to you. Did you not find that the most annoying part of the movie is when she went up the stairs?

You think so? Oh my god, are you not just like screaming at TV? Like just fucking leave the house? If your friends were upstairs you'd be like, welcome. I'd be like, bye. And that's Scotland for you. Right there. Yeah, they're hardcore, man. Yeah, that's not for you. Right. Yeah, they're hardcore, man. Yeah. I'm just going to go and have a hug and start on the street.

Yeah. That would be a rough one, like two, two, like two very good friends or upstairs and to like get out, but like your only weapon is a fire poker. Like, have they come up? And you know that the killers in the house and that there's probably, like,

the killers upstairs and your friends upstairs, like, you just assume, okay, they're going. Right. Yeah. There's going to be an ID channel show about imprecision. No I was going to say we didn't mention I mean the stuff that this guy was saying to when he was calling were probably the most vile and disgusting things that I think you could hear in 2020, in my alone 1974. I mean, I the first call, he just said a certain word, Chelsea, do you know what he said? Oh, she has no problem saying it. She's from Scotland.

Could it make his name their national anthem, right? Yeah, they call each other that all the time. I have a terrible endearment. Yeah, but it was like Ivy. I had never heard it that many times in a movie before. It was like multiple megs from science and a lot. So I mean, it was just it was just very, very, just very, very disturbing. Yeah, that's how I knew like Nikki Bronco was like, Hey, you're a good cunt. I was like, thanks, man.

Nash says, Hey, get out of the house. She doesn't listen. Goes, uh, goes up to try to help her friends. And wasn't it a weird eye that was looking, looking at her through like, I couldn't tell what color it was. It looked like it was brown, but I sort of had like almost a cataract around it. Yeah, it was almost like a halo effect

like that was the light shining into his eye. And I wonder if they were even doing that so that you couldn't figure out what color his eye was. Because before I watched it, because I watched this twice, I was looking at Peter's eyes to see if they were the same color. And you never found out what color you couldn't tell what color Billy's eyes were.

That was really scary, that part. I was just wondering, like, I don't know if you live alone, don't even say it, but if you were home alone, and that's what you see, Like you see a door cracked open and you just see that eyeball staring at you. I guess it would depend on where in the house you are as to what your move is. But if I'm in like the back of the house,

I'm like, some people need to just accept their, they're doing. Yeah. It's that there's a coach here like, okay. Oh my God, she is way tougher than I'll ever be. That reminds me of like one I was in third grade or like second grade. And I think I told this on the show one time that I thought

in horror movies people really died. Like I think I remember you saying that. Yeah, and that's how, like I remember thinking, like that's how I wanna go when I die. I just wanna, like I just wanna be in a horror movie and get killed. That's how stupid I was. But I was accepting my fate much like a Scottish person would where I was just like, oh, fuck.

You don't even want to die peacefully in your sleep, you're just like, I want to die in a horror movie. I scream and yeah. Yeah. I would be screaming and running out of the house, screaming like a little girl. Help, help, you know, I want to still live. You'd leave your friends behind.

It depends who the friends were. It's that friend, is that friend that always sings to you? Oh, he's gone. He's a goner. Uh, Billy's chasing Jess around. And I like that, that snatch of the hair. That looked very real when he like reached over the banister and just fucking grabs her hair

and her fucking head jerks back like that. I thought that was well done. And he also uses like this technique where it's like, he's constantly like going like this. So you can sort of see things at the top of the frame. You're like, oh man, I can see somebody's like legs. Who is it? Are we gonna see them? Like he built a lot of suspense that man, I can see somebody's legs. Who is it? Are we going to see them?

Like, he built a lot of suspense that way. I thought that was well done. Definitely, the, like, you could have cut out the high school girl shit. Certain things you could have cut out, maybe brought it down by five, six minutes. Yeah. But I think that the high school girl, I think, that this maybe like, because everybody makes a phone call, it was after he killed somebody. So I think that's when the first phone call came that night, so that was like after he killed her. Oh, so you thought, you know what, I didn't even pick up on that. And did he did the phone, and the phone did ring after the cops' throat was slashed, too.

I think the first phone call was, was it Barb's mom or something? And then the second one was the guy that was after he killed that high school. And then if you notice through the movie, every time there was a call, it's after he's killed somebody. I did notice that. See? I didn't know that either. I didn't even do enough fucking heavy lifting here. Yeah. I didn't even pick up on that he probably if this is how to range I am I didn't pick up that he was probably the one to kill the high school girl. I just figured they had two killers running around Uh, the area. Oh, you didn't you thought that was coincidental. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I didn't think that

That's a really bad look But um This is credited as being like one of the first slasher movies like this along with Texas Chainsaw. But is it a slasher movie? Because you never really see anybody slashed. You don't even, even when he's stabbing Barb with the unicorn, you don't see anything.

Like you don't see any penetration of the points. Even like when you see the killer like stab and barb, it doesn't really look like Peter. I don't think. Yeah. If you pause it and you look at your late best, like at completely different pairs. I thought this to be more of like a psychological type thriller than it to be a slasher or like silence of the lambs is a psychological thriller. Like a violent psychological thriller. Just sees a silhouette in the window. It's Peter. And I guess she thinks like, fuck man, this guy's gonna kill me. But as he approaches her, we hear a

scream from inside the house. And then Peter is dead, just comes to and then they speculate that Jess is the killer possibly. Yeah. That's seem not, that seem like poor police work. We, you know, one thing that did get me, and I didn't catch this until the second time through was another red herring that was thrown in, when Jess went to Peter about wanting the

abortion, he's made the comment of, oh, what do you think killing a kid is just like having a wart removed? And then later on in the phone call, it was Billy saying the same, pretty much the same thing, like having a wart removed. And that's what I was like, I'm like Inspector Clousseau. It's obviously, it's obviously Peter. I don't even have to finish watching the rest of it. And then when at the end, you find out that it wasn't Peter, I was like, how the fuck did he know that? But then in the second time through,

it was like, well, he's been in the house the entire time, right? He would, he would hear this. I can't forget his out. Oh, what? I can play her off in the attic. I, uh, another, uh, thing that I thought was interesting and made it more girl power, more girl power for me was at one point, uh, fuller tells Phyllis like, Hey, I'm going to have my man out here so you'll be all right.

And she's like, yeah, okay. Like she does make kind of a snide remark. But it's the truth because if you look throughout the movie, there are no men protecting the women. It's the women, I mean, a lot of them die, but it's a women looking out for each other. The men really are sort of peripheral, you know? They don't, they don't, they don't lend a hand. Even Peter gets himself killed.

Yeah. I mean, Peter just showed up and got killed. Yeah. And he really didn't know it. And it was going on. Yeah, like he thought his worst problem was his girlfriend got in the portion. And then his plant piano recital. Now, did it? abortion. And then this plant piano recital. Now, yeah, that was weird too. I thought that the cop was like, Lieutenant Fuller was like, Hey, what did that mean? And she's like, you know, nothing. And he's like, I have to know. And she's like, well, I was going to get an abortion right? I find it. Like, I thought it was weird that he forced that out of her. Yeah. No, it was just a random thing that was said. I mean,

Well, and I think it was funny too that they were listening in on all the phone calls. I mean, you know, Yeah, like everything. Everything that they're listening to. You would think that, all right, this isn't one we're going to trace. But I think he kind of suspected Peter from the very beginning because he, Peter got upset with Jess and was running out of the house when the detective and the phone repairman were coming in.

And I remember the detective turned and was like, who's that? And she said something like, well, it's just my boyfriend or whatever. So maybe that's why he was like, yeah, you know, trace this one too, just to be on this safe side. Yeah. You know, they didn't hit it off right away and he was suspecting him already. Can you imagine it took like that level of effort to trace a phone call back then? 10 minutes. Yeah.

Like keep him on the line. She's like, it's fucking upsetting. Keep saying the word. I don't want to hear that anymore. What am I from Scotland? I mean, I've seen phone call with God knows what the guy is doing on the other line. And you have to hope that he's lasting more than 10 minutes. Yeah, right.

Probably, probably just be done and being it up. Good luck. There was a mention, in fact, Bob Clark said it himself, like that he was friends with John Carpenter and John Carpenter asked, like, hey, if you were ever going to do another black Christmas, like would you do a second black Christmas, he said, Bob Clark says, no, and he's like, well, what would you do? And he's like, you know, I'd do Halloween.

And then basically describes the pot plot for Halloween. And then years later, you know, John Carpenter makes it. But Bob Clark was so gracious about it when he was saying it like, I don't know, maybe, you know, you probably didn't. But it's like, dude, if that's what you said, he definitely stole it from you. Yeah. I think I saw somewhere as well. They said that Halloween was the first movie where we saw the like the killer's point of view. And then, wait, I saw a black Christmas, I was like, that's a lie. Yeah, it's definitely not.

I think a peeping Tom also was another one from the 60s that I think first used that. This is one of those movies that also uses, maybe one of the first ones, along with the Texas change saw that used is like that final girl trope, where it's like, everybody gets killed, but there's a girl left.

Usually it's a girl of good values and shit, you know, so you would think it would have been clear. But you know, it's like all the naughty girls they get killed and then the one virtuous one gets to hang around. You know, like you're afraid you're 13. Anybody that has sex is just going. You're done. Yeah, you're done. Yeah, you're done. It's almost like the killer is playing God and deciding who's virtuous enough to continue living and who isn't. God, that sounds appealing. And I think that that final person thing originated with that Agatha Christie book. And then there were none.

It was like written in 1939. First it started, it was based on a poem, 10 little and think of the most offensive word you can think of for a black person, and that's what it was. And then, and it was written in the UK, and I think America was like, no, no, no, no. That's not gonna wash.

We got enough issues here right now. So they renamed it 10 Little Indians. And I think even that in time was like, look, then it could became 10 Little Soldiers. It's gotta be something else, yeah. Yeah, and then they were like fine. And then there were none. And it's about these people on an island

getting picked off one by one. And I think that was like maybe with the first example of that style of story, story-roading. Out of all the characters that were in this movie, I mean, who do you feel like would represent you the best? I mean, Chelsea, which one would you say you were? The head he shared the most personality with? It really did the first thing.

Can we say bonfire? Yeah. Yeah. The first thing that came to my head was the cat, like Claude's, Claude just disappears. He's there. Minds his own business doesn't get involved.

We never find it what happens to Claude. That was like the only thing that was left with. I was like, oh my God. Claude appeared to get a lot shaggy or halfway through the movie. I don't know if it was a different cat or it was just they were shooting them differently, but it looked like you had like much fluffier hair like as the movie went on. So you identify with the cat the most. That's a fucking good answer. Yeah. What about you, Fred? Always identify with the cat the most that's that's a fucking good answer. Yeah.

What about you? I feel like Billy would be like nah I'm not gonna bother with the cat. He's about killing women. Yeah. Those are cool voices too. Like they said it was like four or five voices all mixed in. Yeah and what's awesome is if you listen to the voices and you listen to the phone calls, you can start to and I read about this somewhere, it wasn't like I came up with this but you can almost start to piece together Billy's backstory. You know he it's a very very first phone call, he's you know he's talking about Agatha, right, or Agnister, something like that. So you can assume that that was a sister. So Billy and Agn, so he had a sister. And then later on, there's a phone call.

I think it was the last one where he starts saying, why did you leave him alone with Agatha or Agnister, whatever. And you can almost assume that now it's the father speaking, yelling at maybe the mother asking why would you leave Agnus alone with Billy. So you can kind of start to piece together that you know there's probably four people in this family, something traumatic happened where Billy possibly killed his sister, you know, and you can kind of figure stuff out that way. I don't know if you guys picked up on that or not. I did not. I picked up on see when the eye was in the camera, like in the door frame. I think when he was talking, he was saying something like

don't tell it anything about what we've done, Agnes or something. So it was like, he and sister done something. Okay. So it's still like this is still alive. Maybe like people love incest porn these days. That's like the number one category. I wonder if it was like an incestual because that would fuck somebody out. Yeah. Like so you think him and Agnes were doing something. Billy and the brother and sister were doing something. That's something bad. So I don't know if they maybe there was like a baby because he said

he was talking about a baby as well and I was like maybe they had another step when maybe they killed the baby. See, and I was assuming Agnes might have been the baby. So it's really wild. I mean, it's really, we would have to like go back and listen to each, just each of the phone calls. Agnes could also be the aggressor, you know? I mean, those really sound like different voices on the phone. I wonder if like the same person that actually voice it all. I think so. I think I read that.

Oh, wait, where is it? Bob Clark played Billy Shadow and the phone voice. There was another guy I saw an interview with and where he played the main Billy voice. And he said that sometimes he would like stand on his head and do it so his voice was compressed. Like I guess his diaphragm was compressed and he would like do it like that.

I can't imagine getting a phone call like that. I mean like I said I remember when we had remember when we had those landlines and stuff. I remember getting, before Star 69, you could get the call back and caller ID and all that. I remember getting, we would get praying phone calls or whatever. Nothing as obscene as this. And just like I said, after it happened, if the phone rang again right afterwards, you just had to

hit and you're stomach like, what do we do? I think it plays into the movie itself too, just it's the unknown that is scary. So when somebody was calling on the phone, it is unknown. So it makes it a little bit more scary than if you were being confronted with somebody face to face, I think. Yeah, they know something you don't. In fact, they know everything that you don't. Yeah. I like how they call it obscene phone calls as well.

We would just like, we'd pack up and we'd be like, fuck off. That looks definitely very different. What else do I got here? They changed the name where they kind of tried to change the name. First, it was Silent Night Evil Night because American distributor feared that the title Black Christmas might cause the film to be mistaken for a Black'sploitation movie. However, the film did a do well under the title, which changed back to the original Black

Christmas. That's when a lot of Black of black exploitation movies, I guess, were coming out like at Shafton Superfly and Black Caesar and all that stuff. Black Yolah and all of that. Yeah, so it would stand to reason. And I guess they thought like black exploitation movie is not going to play, you know, in the sticks. It's going to play where, you know, exploitation movies played. And Bob Clark definitely has something going on with, like, the college life, you know, sororities, fraternities, things like that. Because the last, what else did he do that we did? Porkeys?

Porkeys, yeah. Porkeys was one. Was there another thing that we did with him or just... We did a Christmas story with him. Christmas story. And porkeys, yeah, those are the things I wanted to do. that we did with him or just we did a Christmas story with him. Christmas story. And work is you know those work these. Okay. I've never seen a Christmas story.

Now we have it. I know it's like one of the main Christmas movies. But. Did you guys. Yeah, you guys have Christmas there, right? No, we just can't like we chose you to in for no reason. So what else do we have to say about black Christmas? So that's not what we're going to do. Now we just can't like we chose to eat it in for no reason.

So what else do we have to say about black Christmas? So that's all I have I think. Yeah, I mean like we talked about the remakes was made on a budget of $620,000 1974, grossed four million dollars. Um, you know, it, it, it, it was this, this wasn't the first movie Margo Kitter was in. Was, was it? No, I think she was another stuff. But this was like kickstarted her, uh, kickstart here. How much did it cost you say? Uh, 620,000, 1974 money. Yeah, let me check that out. I love doing these conversions. She and I thought she was fantastic. And I mean, this is how into dark I was. I knew she had died. I knew my kid had passed away, but I didn't know how. And when I was doing the research and I looked to see how it was, it was

very sad, you know, that they ruled as suicide. Yeah, they they had found her and some bushes or something prior to that. She was like going crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Elkont was Elkont drugs overdose overdose by suicide by overdose. So she was barbed. She was barbed. And you know, when you're that you die?

It's pretty recently, right? Within the past few years. Yeah, I think like was it not 2016 with the Zeyeson right? They had sticky in my head for some years. Yeah, I think like was it not 2016 with Desaison right then sticky to my head for some reason. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, but I mean I remember seeing her in Superman, she was, you know, and she was fantastic in this. I thought everybody kind of played a pretty good role. Yeah. So how much was it? Oh, it turned out to be about 3.3 million. Oh, wow. So it wasn't expensive movie back then. I guess so. Well, the Canadian at the time that they had just started that Canadian,

like that Canadian program where they would subsidize film and shit like that. That's why you see so many 80s, crummy Canadian movies coming out, specifically for because they had this subsidy where they would pay a whole bunch of the budget for in order to, I guess, stimulate the film industry. Now, how did you guys feel about Mrs. Mack as a character? Do you think she was not necessary?

She was absolutely necessary. You think she was a... Yeah, she needed somebody to lighten it up. Her alcoholism did it. What's up? He brought the humor, I think. Yeah, you needed, I mean, they did use the joke several times, I think three to four times, that she's secretly drinking.

And then at one point, she starts cursing people out of shit. And she was like, clawed your little prank. Yeah. I will say I laughed at one point because she, um, everybody was getting killed. And then one girl was missing. And she was just singing and dancing. And if she was packing up her clothes to go visit her sister. That is odd, yeah.

That is an odd reaction. And when she was covering up the stuff and was it Claire's room? Because it was like all sex shit. Oh yeah, she had, yeah, when her dad came in because he's all prim and proper. Yeah, there was like a poster of like some guy on top of a lady naked and she just like holds her hand up

against the poster and it was all kind of, I mean, these girls are like 21, 22 years old. You know what I guess again, different time. Hey, it was the time. It was the times So yeah, so I mean, that's all I pretty much got trying to think there's nothing else that I I have that we didn't already Talk about Overall, what do you give it one to five Frank? I got I got to be honest with you. If it wasn't for you, I would never have made it five minutes into this movie. But because you said it was good and we were doing this, I watched it and I was glad that I did because it ended up, and I ended up

liking it. I really did. If the first time through, I didn't like it that much, the second time through I did. So I'm gonna give it probably a four. No, you chose. I'll give it a four as well. Because I think the first time I saw it, I did think it was a best little. But then once you get to the end and the little twist in it, so I was like, yeah, I could watch again.

Yeah, I'd agree. I'd give it a four as well, simply for the, this stuff that could come out, that would help it along a little bit to make it a four as well simply for the this this stuff that could come out that would help it along a little bit to make it a little bit faster. But as far as like the the script and the photography and shit, I loved it. I thought I think it really captures the era of horror movies at that time, you know, because you had like the exorcist. You had a you had this you had he did a children should have played with dead things.

You had, by this point, I think they a blood had come out. You know, so you had, you had a lot of, a lot of horror where it wasn't there before, it was like cheesy sci-fi monsters and, you know, teenage beach blanket bullshit, that kind of stuff. And this was like the beginning of the 70s, really the beginning of that wave of like

non universal horror, non sci-fi, non Martian type stuff, you know. So, and I think this what happened with the main just of this movie, the fact that the villain was in the house plays on a fear all of us would have. I mean, this, the movie was based on a story and then it was based off of an urban legend called the babysitter and the man upstairs.

It was also based off of some murders that happened in Montreal that I had read about that took place. I think it was like at the 60s, 60s or 70s. But I can tell you that where I live, we have a sliding glass door in our bedroom, my wife and I, and there'll be times in the summer where we'll keep the door open,

but I will not keep it open and fall asleep because I would, you know, that's all you, that's all I need is somebody to walk into the bedroom and kill me, you know, but I mean, it's a true fear of just having somebody come into your house. But there was a time when people didn't lock their doors. Where in styling? Well, I've watched stuff from America and they're like, yeah, there's a time when we didn't lock

any doors and the serial killers came about. Yeah, I never understood that. It's like, oh, you know, it was the kind of place where you could leave your doors unlocked. Why the fuck would you? You have a lock. Why would you just not lock it? Like, that just like something mentally where people can look at it and be like, I know that I'm safe. Like, I like, you want that feeling of like, I live in a place where I know I don't

have to worry about crime. I, I could never do it. I mean, maybe want that feeling of like I live in a place where I know I don't have to worry about crime. I could never do it. I mean, maybe it's because of where we live. I mean, Brian, you probably always lacked your doors. Oh, yeah. Jersey and New York. I'm even on my upstate. I mean, we always, I mean, I mean, I, we actually, my house got broken into twice. Once when I was younger, we had somebody break into the house. And then when right after my wife and I had gotten married and moved into our own house, we had a break in. And I, even back then, we've always had the doors locked. I mean, so I can't imagine living someplace where, oh, we just keep our doors locked. I just couldn't do it.

Yeah. Chelsea, I imagine your doors are locked. Oh, yeah. That's the thing. Then who's there walking behind you? Yeah. I was like in a nice area. But I remember I looked out the window one night, it was like 3 a.m. And then I just saw my neighbor, like this guy who was like trying her door,

like he was wearing this like, wag-cuddy and I was like, I should really call something. It was here the door. It was my neighbor's door. So I was like looking at should really call something. It was here to door. It was my neighbor's door. So I was like looking at it through the kitchen window. I was like, oh my god, so I'm just trying to break into our house.

That's when you decided not to call emergency service. Well, it was the types. Yeah. He didn't get in our door was locked. So I was like, he left. There's no point. I'm gonna have to get like right off about this, but please let me have to give like a statement. Like, you're gonna have to get involved and nobody wants to get involved.

Better to just keep to yourself. I'd agree. All right, well, that's it for Black Christmas. We learned a lot today, Frank. We learned that Chelsea has a landline. We learned a lot today, Frank. We learned that Chelsea has a landline. We learned that you've been broken into twice. Yeah. And I actually have a fact about serial killer relation to this movie. Oh, yeah, you said something about Ted Bundy.

So Ted Bundy, when this movie came out, that was when he was like actively killing, and then later on when he was asked about why he did what he did, he said that it was the cause of like porn and horror movies. And then when he, I think it was the second time he was in jail, because he escaped, he escaped again and went to a sorority house, and he used the name Chris Hagen, I think, to get in and the characters Chris Hagen, which is Claire's boyfriend in the movie.

Really? So I was like, maybe he was fired by black Christmas? Yeah, that was a particularly vicious killings, too. Like, didn't he kill two or three people in that sorority house, right? Like, he's a big fighter, he He's always biking people. I'm shit. Like, what the fuck do you do? That's like how we get caught out because of his teeth fins. Yeah.

It's just you have any other notes there? Or that that's it. Oh, that's okay. That was like the only one I just looked at. I was like, maybe because I was more shut tape. Bundey thing. I was like, maybe that's relation to black Christmas. That is interesting. Well, I think that's relation to white Christmas. That is interesting.

Well, I think that is it for this episode of, you know, it was the Times. It was a pleasure. Yes, thank you, Chelsea, for joining us. I think this pilot program worked, right? Yeah, it was a lot of fun having somebody, a third person to go off of and stuff. What did you think, Chelsea? I thought it was great. I mean, I've always wanted to, like, set and talk to you guys for a really long time.

We're going to need you to post it. I'm ready if you don't want to. Yeah, I'm really, I'm okay. I'm really going to talk about the sopranos. I don't know. I don't know. I wish I was there. Yeah, I wish we could have gone longer than an hour. I'm going to make a nice book about the sopranos. I don't know. I don't know what she was there.

Yeah, I wish we could have gone longer than an hour. I love it. I've still watched. I'm still watching the sopranos. So good. And you know what? Well, I can tell you this after we hang up. Yeah, well, hey, well, we'll stop the recording.

We'll stop the recording right here and everybody come on back next time. We may have another third mic if they can prove that they can hold their water. So until then, Frank. All right. It was the times. Mm-hmm. Bye.