Tell Em Steve-Dave - #591: No More Favors!

Episode Date: March 24, 2024

Ming the maverick joins TESD to talk podcasting, concerts, viral videos and million-dollar life insurance policies.

That's the goal at the end of the day. It's not to put something out that people don't like, but that's the... How did Uncle Fred go? He's had a great white show. Once bitten twice shy. You're not familiar with that. What, it was an aquarium? You were seeing sharks? Yeah, not quite. Fred go he's had a great white show once bitten twice shy you're not familiar with Tell him Steve Dave hello and welcome to this week's edition of tell him Steve Dave. I'm here with Walt's hello I'm not here with BQ though. No BQ this week's edition of Tell Him Steve, Dave. I'm here with Walt. Hello. I'm not here with BQ though. No BQ this week. We are here however with though the man, the myth, the maverick, Ming Chen. Hello everybody.

Woo. Yes. Round of applause for Ming Chen. Wow. Wow, what a turn of events. Yeah. How so? I mean, rarely I wasn't applauded in, you know, not for the 31, 33 and a third, I'm sorry, 200. Like, yeah. Well, you're a rags to riches story and you really are.

I mean, you, you, most, the unlikely podcasting guru. Right? Yeah, I guess so. When you think about it, it all started with an offhand suggestion from you, right? You were like, you and Mike should do it. I want to see you and Mike do a podcast. Right. Then that suggestion goes on to his own studio, multiple studios, multiple podcasts, awards,

podcasting on all seven continents. I mean, I'm sure at this point. Has it happened yet? I'm sure it has, yeah. You podcast on all seven continents? I mean, I'm sure at this point. Has it happened yet? I'm sure it has, yeah. You've podcasted on all seven continents. Antarctica. No, not yet. No.

Seven continents. How many continents are there? There's seven, yeah. So how many have you podcasted on? Like maybe three. All right, so you're halfway there almost. Yeah, I'm getting there, yeah. So let's back it up though.

So North America. Right. Well, okay, North America. That's it. I'm going to go to the end of the video. I'm going to go to the end of the video. I'm going to go to the end of the video. I'm going to go to the end of the video. I'm getting there. Yeah. So let's back it up though. So North America. Right. Well, okay, North America. That's it?

I think I'm – oh no, podcast in Dubai. So that's – Dubai, okay. So that's to – To Asia, right? That's – I mean that's the Middle East. Yeah. But I think it's considered – is it considered Asia?

I don't know. I'm too ignorant. If only we had somebody – There's a guy who knows. Who knows, you know, but unfortunately he's not allowed to talk. Yeah. Because there's some Debbie Downers. And then there are people out there that are like, you should know this.

This is basic knowledge. You shouldn't have to go to Git-Em. Hey, I knew there were seven continents. That's pretty good. Yeah. And then podcasts in Scotland once. So that's three. I believe that's three. That's true. So what's left? South America? That's Africa. Africa, Antarctica.

Australia. Any cons scheduled in the Congo? None in the Congo. No, there are no. Amy, what? Pod. Taken by rebel forces. Ernie Hudson kidnapped me and now we're looking for jewels and podcasts in the Congo. Why Ernie Hudson? That movie Congo. Oh, that movie Congo.

We might have to edit that if not. Hudson has kidnapped me and now we're looking for jewels and podcasts in the Congo. Why Ernie Hudson? That movie Congo. Oh, okay. That movie Congo. Yeah. We got the way up. That is the end of that. That gorilla's name was Amy, right?

Yeah, Amy. Amy, my God. So we've been up too, Ming. We don't often catch up with you. Yeah, no. It's been a busy year so far. Two cruises. Two cruises. Yeah, we never caught up on the busy year so far. Two cruises. Two cruises.

Yeah. We never, we never caught up on the Vue SQ cruise. How'd you do on that one? Cause I know on the Joker's cruise, you had a good time. I had a great time. Yeah. Yeah. Big smiles on our faces.

Uh, both of ours, man. I've never seen you so happy. It was great, man. I had a good time. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty rare. It's a shame that it's only like five days out of every, like four years that I get to smile like that.

I mean, it's beat beat zero like before zero. Yeah, zero would suck. Yeah. The Viewscoot Cruise was good. It was different for sure. Yeah. Yeah. It was fun though but no one through threes, no rap battles, no Jimmy the Hair Guy.

Why not though? Why couldn't you just get a rap battle going? Just grab somebody and maybe Dante and be like, I'm challenging you to a rap duel right now. Let's go. I'm not even supposed to be here today. It wouldn't have been as exciting as me versus Jimmy the Hair Guy. Did you perform at all or were you just on the cruise? I had one job.

They did a mall rats 2 script reading and I was given a part on page 47 of the script, the part of podcaster, it's a podcaster in the movie and they were under a strict time limit. They ended at page 43. I think it might be typecast. Really? Yeah. I think it might be typecast as a podcaster at this point. That's fine with me.

That's fine with me but yeah, the script reading ended before I got to my lines. Really? So you have to do anything? You got that free? I got free crews to do before I got to my lines. So you have to do anything? You got that free... I got free cruise to do and I had to do nothing. Yeah, it was great. You can't beat that. Yeah.

Yeah, it was pretty awesome. Everything's coming up, Ming. It is. It is. She commandeered the ship and took it to Africa so you can not take off one of the continents that you need to pod on. Check. All right, we're going to Antarctica.

Check. go to Australia Like the DB Cooper of cruise ships Not as exciting as a cruise but I went to another blue October concert yesterday This one was in Englewood, which is so fucking far away from where we live like I thought like when I heard Englewood, I thought for some reason it was probably up around exit 150 or something. I was wrong. It's almost, it's like the exit before the George Washington Bridge.

Oh, so it's up there. A lot of traffic. Oh yeah. Yeah. There was traffic both ways, even though we got out at midnight. What, Mr. Heavy Breather over here? Oh, he sounds like someone's putting a marathon over there. I was going to say, you don't sound good. People are going to be complaining that they can hear

him off the mic. No, there's no way you can hear him off the mic. How many total is this for you? I think it's like five. Five Blue October concerts? I've seen Blue October more than any band that I actually like. Wow. So like at 10, do you get like a bathrobe or something or like a challenge coin?

I'd better get something, man. And he pointed out the beard again because we're close enough. And she was like, because I said to Mary Beth, I was like, come on, man, I don't want to be that close. I don't want any attention. It's just weird. It's just weird like every time. And she was like, no, no, we're in row B. There's row like AABB and then it goes to

B, but like AABBCC, that was it, we're in row B. There's row like AABB and then it goes to B, but like AABBCC, that was it. And then it was AB. So it's like from me to you. You're a skiffro center. I think though those guys, there's no way they think it's weird. They're just happy that someone's willing to pay that often. To go see them. To go see them. Super in prices, to sit that close. They're grateful. They're not weirded out. They're

just like, thank God. Yeah. Thank God they're still coming out. Is it the same set list every time? No. No, they just came out with a new album. I really thought I was not going to like the opening band. They're called the Veers.

I don't like opening bands generally. I'm not a live music kind of guy unless I know the band. If I know the band, then I'm into it. But if it's music that I'm not familiar with, I just can't get into it. I'm not one of these people that dance around and shoot. Well, that's very telling, though. You are unwilling to give something a try. It says a lot about, you know, you're not even willing to give it a shot.

You're just like, I'm not into it. And you don't even know. You don't even, you haven't even heard a note and you're just like, nope, it's not for me. Yeah, it's not for me. Yeah. It's a negative. They've got a guy right over here. Complete opposite.

Right? There's not a chance on the planet you'll give anything a try, right? It's for me. Almost anything, yeah. Almost anything. How are you going to like it or not if you don't give it a try? Exactly. Well, you could say that about a lot of like it or not if you don't give it a try. Exactly. Well, you could say that about a lot of stuff, you know.

You don't give everything a try. No, not. Some stuff you're pretty sure you're not going to like. According to you, I do, but... You've got to put everything in my mouth. There was a moment of, I have to say, I'm almost a little ashamed that – because Mary Beth is so into this band. It's like when I'm – because I sit down at certain points because I'm not standing

the whole fucking time. And I'm watching her and she just has the biggest smile on her face and she's dancing and she's singing and she knows all the words and she's having a fucking great time. And all of a sudden, like you notice notice that, like, the fire alarm things are flashing, you know, like the alarms for a smoke alarm or whatever. And when there's a lull in the music, you're like, the fucking fire alarm's going off. And nobody's – So no one can hear it, but there's a noise? Nobody can hear it because the music's so loud. Yeah.

Yeah, but it flashes so you can at least see it. It flashes, but yeah, it wasn't really that bright. It didn't flash that bright. I didn't notice it at first, and then I was like, wait, why is that blinking like that? Then I heard the noise, and I was like, holy shit, the fire alarm's going off. Everybody's still dancing and singing and having a great time. The band's playing, but then their mics got cut because they had to get everybody out of the theater.

Oh my God. And there was a part of me that's like, there's no way they're going to just get everybody out of the theater and then – And throw them back in? And then – yeah. Yeah, because Fire Department has to come and say everything's good. That's what I thought. And in that moment, I was like, we're going to get to leave early. It was like – it was about like half over and I was so happy. And so we're standing outside, standing outside. It's fucking freezing. Nobody's saying anything. It was like it was about like half over and I was so happy. And so we're standing outside, standing outside, it's fucking freezing, nobody's saying anything.

It was probably like 10 minutes or so. And then they're like, all right, everybody can come back in. Fire department never came. Like, I don't know. Like it's, it wasn't, it was like as nice as the Basie, I would say. It was a nice theater. But the first thing I noticed when we walked in, no metal detectors, no winding, nothing of any kind.

Really? So you could have walked in, you know, concealing. I could have had a concealed gun on me because it is New Jersey, so you can conceal carry. I could have walked in. It is unusual. I was almost like, and it's, it was also the whitest concert I've ever been to. Because at a certain point I was looking around, I was just looking at the demographics, seeing what was what.

I'm like, there are absolutely no minorities here at all. Every single motherfucker was what. I don't know. I think I saw at least one or two black metal heads there. Here I was like, if you thought you wandered into a Klan rally or something, you'd be like, all right,, if you thought you wandered into a Klan rally or something, you'd be like, all right, everybody's white. I get it. The soundtrack by Blue October.

Yeah. I'm sure Blue October isn't liking this. Oh, this is how their audience is being described. They want a little bit of street cred. It was an orderly dismissal from the fire alarm. There wasn't no like it wasn't like great – People didn't want to leave. It wasn't a great white concert.

No, no, no. Did you imagine? That's how you meet your doom. You're trampled under a great – at a October concert. It burns. I brought that up to Mary Beth. For those of you who aren't familiar with the story that Meg's talking about in Rhode Island years ago, in early 2000s I believe, there was a great white concert and they used pyrotechnics against the club rules and the

insulation in the ceiling caught on fire and it wasn't really the fire, I think, that killed everybody but the fumes from the burning insulation went down and just immediately knocked people out and killed them. Yeah, there were like hundreds of people. Yeah, it was like 112 people or something like that. Yeah, it was like a hundred and twelve people or something like that. Yeah, it was nuts. But I thought people got stuck trying to get out though and burned alive. They did because it was only one exit.

Yeah, a lot of them burned alive too. Just brutal. Like if you're going to go see in a band, at least make it a band that's like a once in a lifetime concert. Not some band that that nobody even knows. Who was it again? Great White. Yes, I'm saying.

Most people are going to be like, well, how did Uncle Fred go? He's had a Great White show. Once bitten, twice shot. You're not familiar with that? What, it was an aquarium? Do you see any sharks? Yeah, not quite. Not quite.

Some shitty metal band from the 80s. Yeah. Not even the real lead singer anymore, I'm sure. I'm sure it was like one original band member. Yeah. Ugh. I'm glad you survived. Yeah, we survived.

Walked over. Also met a 13 percenter there, Lauren. Yeah? Yeah, who told me privately that she's hoping Getham gets back after this big court case. Oh. Yeah, I feel the tide is a-turning. Really? Yeah, I don't know is a-turnin'. Really? Yeah, I don't know if you've kept up with TSD, but there has been a vocal portion of

the audience who have threatened financial repercussions. Yes, withdrawing their patron subscription if they're heavy with the wallet. If Gidham wasn't silenced on Mike, so we are going with a little trial basis here for a while and then actually we're going to find out once and for all, someone's going to make their case to keep them off and we have a sexy lawyer and I don't know if you've heard about. Oh yeah, yeah. I listen to every episode. And he is going to defend Gidham and see if he can make the case to win over the listeners

who are still in the house. I hope to be in the gallery on that fateful day. I'm sure you might be a character witness. Oh wow, okay. Not since the OJ trial. What if the prosecution called you as a witness? Will you testify for the prosecution or will you? I'll, I'll get, I might have a few things to say. To keep him off?

Not completely, not completely. I don't think he's completely useless. You know, was he butting in one too many times? Maybe. Maybe. There's a cranky portion of the audience. What else is new? But I feel like, you know, I have seen far more requests for his return. So like absence makes the heart grow fonder and it is starting to happen.

I see it and I knew it would happen. Okay. I knew it would happen. Okay. I mean, we'll find out soon. We will. I don't know what avenues you've been checking for this. Uh, this.

I've got a private email that blows up after every episode with, you know, like, please bring, get them back on. Please. You know, enough's enough. Steve D. Well, well, yeah, I hope this shakes out in somebody's favor. Yeah, the question is though, because you have people who are threatening to cancel Patreon if he stays.

You have people who are threatening to cancel if he goes. So whatever side, you know, quote unquote, wins, will the other side follow the letter of the law and not cancel Patreon? Yeah. Law and tell them Steve Davetown anyway. It's hard to say. Wow. I don't know how we can enforce that ruling if like we could go after their credit card

company and charge them for months that they're not on. They said they … We'll just dock some. You want to give away all your information? Fine. How do we get these people back? Do we need more all-new puck nuts? People say they want puck nuts, but then we give them puck nuts and it's pure sports talk.

Then you're like, I don't listen to sports. I don't like this. This is not like the old puck nuts. People forget the old puck nuts became listenable because we weren't talking about hockey because the devil sucked. We were talking about anything but hockey. Yeah, the indoor league. Yeah. And that's what happened. That's why it became a podcast that people put on a pedestal for whatever reason is because we weren't talking about sports. Right.

Those were my favorite times on Pucknotts when we were talking about sports. Sports-related stuff is okay. If there was some sort of criminal NFL player or somebody got caught doing something they shouldn't be doing. That's why we had you on there. You usually steered us toward that way. Yeah, it worked out. It worked out. Well, I mean, yeah, I hope everybody comes back.

We'll see. I see you work your hands to the bone with all this content. And all you want is people to love it. That's all you want. And not everybody does. That's the goal at the end of the day. It's not to put something out that people don't like, but that's the rub though. Some people like something and some people don't. And it's hard to find that perfect combination that pleases everybody.

It doesn't exist. That's why. It did though. There was another forms of entertainment. I've seen it. I think that you see monster successes out there. That's what you're looking for. You're looking for monster success.

I've just never seen you guys cater to the monster success. What do you mean? You guys are more about, I do whatever I want and if it's good, if we love it, then great. I think we talked through, we talked a big game in that aspect. Oh really? That was all bullshit. Do what we want. But then really at the end of the day, it's just.

It's like, I can't believe everyone didn't like third eye, third eye, third eye radio. Fuck those guys. It's a, it's tough. You know, you put your content. People don't like you. No, no, but you're a content creator. Does every video you put out opening up a box of stuff. No, not at all.

Click? No. No, that was 2009 when we started this. Even when I didn't even want to be on here, when I was forced to be on here. Who forced you? Well, nobody forced me. Nobody forced me. Was I blindsided a couple times?

Sure. That made it more fun. I was thinking about that the other day, the emergency pod with Susan and all that. I was like, God, I miss those days. When Ming was right around the..., had easy access at all times. Yeah. This is a rarity to have Ming at the table. Yeah.

It's a blessing. Absolutely. A fucking Maverick. The second time we've had him since he was named, right? Yeah, I guess so. Do you go to the cons with the Maverick trophy? No, I don't bring the Maverick trophy. You don't bring it?

It's too fragile. It's too fragile. Oh, you got to get a replica that you could bring. Hey, can you talk, can you talk to the guy who made the skulls for you and see if we can get like mini maverick trophies? What you got to do is get a 3D printer. Yeah, I guess so. If anyone can help me out. We have plenty of listeners who can help you out. Do they hit you up at Twitter?

Yeah, hit me up on Twitter. MingChen37. Yeah, we'll get it. Maybe not 20,000 maverick trophies. No, no, you only want one, right? Well, no, no, I can make like, uh, you know, like, like 500 or something. What are you guys doing with them? I'll sell my comments. You too can be a Maverick, like Mini replica version. I learned from the past, man. That's a great idea. People would definitely buy it.

Yeah. I also learned, yeah, I've not made like 25,000. I've been stuck with them for eight years. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't make too many. Yeah. Like Funko, yeah, I've made like 25,000 of them. Yeah, that's the key. I've done it for eight years. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't make too many. Yeah, like Funko. Don't overestimate the demand. Right, yeah.

But you can, yeah, you can sign it. Yeah. Bottom of it. I can present it to people. Yeah, that's a great idea. Yeah, Maverick Jr. is all out there, yeah. Maverick Jr. Yeah.

You get them a little certificate, Maverick in training. Right. Yeah, endorsed by Ming Chen. I put it out there on social media that we had a Maverick and a guru podcast and guru coming on the show and I asked for questions about- People ask questions? Not to you, just about podcasts. Oh, okay.

In the art and business side of podcasts. Okay, sure, sure. And I have some questions. I don't know unless you have- Okay. You have to get into something, Brian? No,, do you have anything to get into something, Brian? No, I don't have anything to get into. Except that, I guess, well, I guess by the time this comes out, we'll know about the

overkill. Who won the poll? Who won, yeah. So far, it's not looking too good for Will Rogers. No? No. Looks like a landslide from where I see it. Yeah.

A lot of people, it seemed like, we're reading the comments, it seemed a lot of people, they like his voice and they enjoyed some of the stuff he brought, but Tom seemed to get it more than Will did. And then there are people who are like, why don't you split it and let them both share duties? Hey, it's possible, you know, the night before the end of the poll

that, you know, Tom is sitting there looking pretty. Tommy Trump. All of a sudden, and then, you know, there's some chicannery or not. Possibly, probably. I heard the word arrogant douchebag thrown on her. Oh, we're not going to talk about Mike right now. We're not going to do it. So let's see.

Yeah, what do you got here? So these are some of the questions. Okay. And. What do you got here? Okay. So I, so these are some of the questions. Okay. And they didn't know it was for you. Okay. Cause I didn't want them to like treat it like as a joke. Right. I said that we have somebody coming in.

First question, how does Mike taste? Right. But I want you to treat it seriously. Okay. I think people are looking for real answers. This is not something that like you're trying to like, you know to make people laugh. First question to the maverick.

What's going to make a new podcast stand out in the sea of new podcasts and popular established ones? Wow. Wow. Is this too hard? No. That's a good question. Because he actually goes to schools and stuff and you lecture on podcasts.

So if somebody posted that question on you, would you be like, whoa, wow. Shit. You started sweating? Yeah. Oh man, there sure are a lot of podcasts out there. Yeah. You know what the tough part is? You know, everyone wants to get popular right away, right?

Yeah, overnight success. Everyone wants one. Overnight. And yeah, the only way you're going to do that is if you're already fucking famous already. So, you know, the big ones that get famous real quick like Kevin and fucking Joe Rogan or any— The office ladies.

Office ladies. Anyone who's—any actor who starts one usually takes off pretty big. So— Unless you're Amanda Bynes. I mean, if she kept at it. I don't know. If she kept at it. Yeah you're Amanda Bynes. I mean, if she kept at it- I don't know. If she kept at it, yeah. Poor Amanda Bynes.

Poor Amanda. You're telling me. Yeah. So yeah, other than that, you got to keep going, man. It could take years. It could take years. Okay, but that's not an answer. That's not even the question.

Yeah. What's going to make a new podcast stand out in the sea of new podcasts and popular established ones. All you've said is it's going to take time. It is going to, yeah. Yeah, okay, but what is it? What's the secret sauce? Come on.

For Christ's sake. Fire alarms? Amber alert. It's a little October all over. Amber alert. Get out of here. Yeah, it turned out I think it was their fog effects and shit like that. Oh, really?

I think that's what did it. There was so much like you could, like you know how you can sort of like taste it in the air sometimes when there's too much? Yeah. That's the way it was. Yeah. I mean other than big, other than big. What is something that you could point to?

Other than your famously, I mean you got to do something vastly different from everybody else but I can't really pinpoint one podcast that started in like the first three, five episodes like they got big. That came out of nowhere. Well, I think you're right. I think people want it to be big right away and they want to make merchandise right away. A lot of people are real into making their merch. Right.

Yeah, but that's just... They think if you make merch, it makes you look bigger. Okay. I mean, you've got to come up with something super different from everybody else. I'm going to ask you one more time. What's going to make a new podcast stand out in the sea of new podcasts and popular established ones? I think if you launch a podcast, I know who shot JFK and it comes true, that'll make you famous right away.

You've got to have some kind of bombshell. Okay. So you need to have something that's going to get picked up or trend. Yes. That's so, yeah. Or like, like get picked up on or trend. Yes. Well, I think you're, I think you're answering the question too, in as much as like, if you're not already famous or well known, it's probably not going to happen. Like people, people have asked me many times,

how do I get to like, like Mr. Johnson, your campaign seems to have the, the seam of a runaway freight train or whatever the fuck Lisa said. Yeah. No, they're like, you know, how, how, how do you do it you do it? And I tell them, I'm like, I don't know. I don't know how to get listeners because we were very lucky to have the Kevin bump right away. So it's like we had that initial bump, which was a lot of people, and then we built it

from there. And you're right, it took years. Yeah. So are you saying that like it's not going to happen though? I mean because if I took your class, it's not going to happen. It's unlikely it's going to happen. It's not like it's going to happen right away. Yes, I tell everybody that. I think that's an okay answer because it's like if you're like a guitarist and you go to like a guitar clinic and it's like how do I you know. Yeah, it would be Yngwie Molstein, Eddie Van Halen right away. Yeah I want to be these people right away

yeah it's like you would have to practice and it's going to take years and you can't expect like unless you're extremely lucky to jump into anything yeah and be a success at it immediately. Yeah I'm honest with people who come and say am I going to be famous right away? No probably not. I'm pretty honest. All right question two. We did uh I didn't accept probably not. I'm pretty honest. All right. Question two. You don't accept that answer? I'm not happy with this answer. I did have a pod come in. They've been recording for about a year. They're like, hey, we need to talk. They came in really serious.

They asked you that. They said to you, we need to talk. Yeah, we need to talk. They came in. We sat down. They're like, hey, so we've been doing this for a year. we're not famous yet. We want our money back. Really? Did you put in the contract that you would promise them to be famous? No. I'll make you famous, baby.

In the fine print? Yeah, they're like, yeah. Did you put it in there? Yeah. Fame guaranteed. Yeah, they're like, well, we haven't really taken it up yet. I'm like, well, we'll. Shared universe promises.

You will be famous within one year. We're like, really fast. We really like to speed it up. Shared universe promises. You will be famous within one year. You're like, really fast. You really like to speed it up. You break out this function and you may have loose stools. I'm like, well, okay. So what did you say? Yeah.

I was like, well, have you done any marketing? Have you told anybody about this? We thought we'd be famous by now. We thought you were going to help out with that. Yeah yeah, they thought I was gonna help them make him famous Wow Talk about how could you be that diluted for a year? Yeah. No, they were yeah What did they expect like your name to carry more weight in terms of like getting subscribers? I think that was you imply that I did not

Charge I can say produced by Ming-Chen. Do you charge? I thought they thought part of the package was I was going to make them famous within a year. I was like, dude, that's not – I'm like, listen, my analogy was like, listen, Mariah Carey uses a studio to record. My job is to make you sound good vocally, but my job is to make you famous. That's on you.

Mariah Carey, it's not the studio's job to make Mariah Carey famous. It's her job. Kavya at M-Tour. Yes. Exactly. Yeah, they didn't come back. They never came back after that? They never came back.

Thank God. Yeah, I don't want to deal with that. That's an unrealistic expectation. How old were they? Oh, they're old. They're in their 50s. Really? Yeah.

But can they have stars in their eyes though? Ming Chen, TV star, podcast star. Right. Yes. Look at Ming Chen. Could you have given them the wrong idea? Could you have implied and you didn't even realize it? No. No.

Absolutely not. I did not mislead them in any way. I don't know if I believed this. Saying that they were going to be as famous as freaking Min Chen. Maybe nudged them a little bit in that direction in the beginning. Like, we'll do social media, we'll do this, we'll do that. Which I did, but yeah. It's not my job. You did their'll do this. We'll do that. Which I did. Yeah. Yeah. But it's not my job.

You did their social media? I didn't do that. No, no, if they released an episode, I would promote it, stuff like that. But I did. How did you promote it? I was like, Hey, you know, these guys have a new episode, check it out.

Are we famous yet? Yeah. You guys probably want to hire private security because I just retweeted that you released an episode. Yeah, I was like, maybe you should change up your strategy. Like, do you guys have a top five? No? Well, maybe you should try that.

Okay, all right. So listen, yeah, it's not going to happen. Also, you should preface it by saying like you shouldn't go into anything with the expectation that you're going to be famous. Right. Like, who do these guys think they were going to be? Like Joe Rogan or something? Yeah, that's what everybody thinks we're going to be.

That's... Yeah, right now, yeah. Okay, again, this question's kind of similar to the first one. How do you attract listeners outside of any following slash friends slash family you already have? Well, I mean, you got a couple strategies. You can guest on other podcasts, you know, cross over your audience with other podcasts, have that podcast promote yours. Yeah. And you

got to go out in the real world. If you go to like, you know, networking events or cons, you know, you got to tell people you have a podcast, man. A lot of people release these things. They don't tell anybody. Well, the reason is because nobody wants to hear it. It's like, I got a podcast. It's like, yeah, join the fucking club. Everybody does. Yeah. So you got to have some kind of hook. But yeah, if you want an audience outside of whatever you have, you got to go to those people, man. So you got to promote outside of that through social media. I go to like network events. I hand out cards and shit. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. All right. That's better answer. Or the cons. Yeah. The first one, which right. That's a better answer. Were the cons. Yeah. The first one, which was like, I don't know. Yeah.

I go to a lot of cons, so I promoted the cons and shit. We do panels, so I'll promote out the panels. But these are avenues that are not really available to your average. Oh, to other people? Yeah. They can't be like, oh, I'm going to go moderate a panel at a Comic Con. Yeah. Like they don't have the juice you got.

Okay. What little juice I have have I've staggered these The questions get a little bit more meatier. Okay. All right. All right. Give me a meeting ones Well, we're getting there not yet. Okay, where do you see the medium going in the next one to three years? Wow? Why? You know, you know, he doesn't know what he's talking about Wow He doesn't know what he's talking about. As soon as you hear wow, he's scrambling immediately.

He's on his heels immediately as soon as you hear, out goes Frazier. Did you see the eyes start to start looking at every direction? And he looks up. He tilts his head up and he goes, oh wow. I don't know. I mean if I really knew, I'd probably be working on it right now instead of sitting here with you assholes. Now if you look at the trend and you guys have done it too.

You swore for years you were going to do video, right? It's going to our video, man. Everything is – You think it's not there already? You think in one to three years it's – like that's your answer? Video? Video? Yeah, it's going to be more video.

I think it's already – yeah, I think video is already at the – they're looking for more I think a more like Nostradamus like answer here. Oh, you want me to predict the future like more than video? Where do you see it going more than just like video? Well, I think that, yeah, because they're talking about like podcasting sort of took over radio, right? You know, and the streaming and all took over radio, so now nobody cares about radio anymore. So what's the next big thing is what I'm wondering.

Yeah, that's what we're looking for. We know video already. Just throw it out there what you really think could be the next big thing, and then if it hits, you could be like, fuck. Oh yeah, I called it. You called it. I called it. Well, it's video, then it was live streaming. Now it's not even the whole podcast, people are just taking one minute clips and that's your podcast.

I actually, I do that a lot on YouTube. There's several even the whole podcast, people are just taking one minute clips and that's your podcast. I actually, I do that a lot on YouTube. There's several podcasts that I like, but it's like sometimes it's, or don't like, and sometimes it's difficult to slog through. You just watch the shorts, right? You just watch the highlights. Yeah, you just watch the shorts. And sometimes, you know, like anywhere from 15 to 30 minutes, you know, it's not too much.

Yeah, it's actually, yeah, these three hour podcasts are being short down to 15 seconds now. So yeah, that's, that's, that's a, it's just best ofs now, best of clips. Yeah. Do you have any recommendations as to length of a podcast? I mean, I try to keep it under an hour after that. It's too, it's way too much. It's people, if you see like, it's going two hours, like I'm not going to listen to it. You just did a two hour episode last week. Our audience used to love to have long episodes.

You guys are different. You guys are so funny that I never want you guys to end. Thank you, Ming. All right, I got some more here for you. Some more blindsiding questions. Would you recommend holding a mock trial to determine whether or not a divisive member should be kept off microphone? And is this commonly used by other podcasts? Wow. I think the only trial I've heard is I think Stern did a trial, right? He's done a couple trials back in the day. Maybe. I don't really recall. Yeah. But other than you guys not heard any trials. I like your trials though The trial by fire ants. Yeah, always always a huge hit on tell them Steve Dave. Okay, so You would you recommend that though for other podcasts?

Oh have other other guys numbers. Yeah, I don't know How much do you listen to the people versus your own gut instinct? I mean you guys have never listened to the people. It has worked out pretty well for you guys. Again, I think, again, we talk a big game. We say we got these big nuts, but at the end of the day, you don't, you know. I don't recommend it for them.

You also don't want to alienate a large segment of the audience if they're not liking or not digging something. Right. But that's a high wire act, man. You love the high wire. He hates the high wire Like watching the the other guy your eyes are rolling you're looking all over the room Wow Hi, why are watching the guy to fall off the high wire? All right, what about this one? Okay? Okay? Let's no I don't put no I don't recommend any other broadcast attempt this this highly volatile

Trial and steal it from Tom, Steve, Dave. No, that's not going to work. What are your thoughts on merchandising? What in your opinion is crossing the line of quote unquote selling out when it comes to merch? Wow. Okay.

What a question. What a question. You know, I've seen you guys put out stuff that people need right away. What a question. I've seen you guys put out stuff that people need right away. They buy all of it. Your hats have been great. A lot of the shirts. The skulls, not so much.

Not so much, but they're gone now. They are gone now. Yeah. I've seen your $10 bargain bin during Black Friday. So I see what doesn't move. Mugs, 8-tracks, what's it, clocks, Frank Five clocks, I don't know. That's new.

They're not going to be any extras of those. They're okay. Yeah, I like the way you do it. They're pre-bought already on Patreon. They're pre-sold. That's smart. Yeah, that is definitely something that is beneficial to the bottom line because you're not creating something like, well, look, we learned hard lessons.

We created all those skulls, those mini skulls, and we thought they were going to set the world on fire. They were different. And a lot of people were like, yeah, you know what, I like the podcast, but I don't need a fucking little trinket. You can't win them all. Yeah. And there are other people who are like, that's so fucking cool.

I want one one and they love it and they still love it. So yeah, but what is your opinion? When does someone cross the line of selling out? I mean, you can see some of the other shitty podcasts put out like the same old bullshit like Tumblr's, like the metal, the fucking metal. Coffee mugs are a big one. Oh yeah, the coffee mugs are the metal, like the Stanley cups are the Stanley mugs that everybody has. Oh, so you meant the real mugs. Yeah, not the Stanley mugs are a big one. Yeah, the coffee mugs are the metal, like the Stanley cups or the Stanley mugs that everybody has.

Oh, they meant the real cups. Yeah, not the Stanley, not the real one. You put out a version of that with your names engraved on it? I'm all over it. I'll buy that. Those thermal cups are expensive though because we looked into it and it was like cost prohibitive. Yeah, yeah. They're like $30, $40, $50 bucks and a logo on them.

But is there a line? Oh yeah. Does Mingchen have a line that you want to cross when it comes to merchant? There's definitely merchants people put. I was like, this is bullshit. Who needs a fucking keychain? A keychain? You think keychain is crossing the line?

According to some people, we put out cars. Yeah, we cross the line. They're still floating around out there. All right. This one's a little long. This one came at V and email. Yeah. If I ever see the, tell them to see a polo shirt, yeah, then I think it's all over. Well, with a little like, instead of the alligator, like a little kissing devil or four-color demon or something, that would be fucking pretty cool. Eugene Iguana?

Dude, Eugene Iguana? That's old school. All right. Maybe I take it back. Yeah, you're going to take it back. Polo shirts. You can sell it all you want, man. You don't want to be known as the podcast version of Kissed, though, where you have so much merch. Oh, if only it could be the podcast version of Kissed. If we made the amount of money that Kissed did, I would not care about that.

I'd be like, let's paint a Tom, Steve, Dave coffin. Let's do it. I've been doing a podcast with a friend for a while and I feel like we will never get to the next level with my current partner. He's lacking in charisma and refuses to work at it. I'm not sure what to do. Keep quiet and keep my friendship and do a pod that has plateaued or let my friend go ruin our friendship and bring in a co-host who can possibly help achieve a

higher profile for the podcast. Sign Mingchen. We think we know you made the right decision. This is a tough one. Whoever wrote this. My partner is completely devoid of charisma. This is a tough one. Sometimes that happens.

I think it's common. Sure. Oh, all the time. I think it's common. Sure. Oh, all the time. I think it's common. I, of course, would never reveal names, but I think there's a lot of people who are like, Scott, he's an anchor. He's weighing us down. He won't, you know, he thinks he's funny. He's brutal.

It happens all the time. Now, most of those pods fade out after 10 episodes, not like 300. But it happens to every podcast, man. You see so many podcasts fizzle because the co-hosts don't line up or one is not as dedicated as the other one. It stinks. It stinks. What do you recommend? That's a Sophie's choice. Do you want to keep your friendship or do you want to take a chance on ruining a friendship and then you get a new co-host and does it even work then? What if it doesn't work?

You keep going then, you keep trying or … No, no. But you also lost a friend though. That's the tough part. That's the tough part. But if it's not fun anymore, if it's torture, then … These are your words. Right.

At least this guy did not say that. This is just general. This is a therapy session. I'm not talking about anyone particular, I'm just saying, if it's torture and you wake up and you dread recording, then yeah, it's probably time to stop then. And some feelings might get hurt, but ultimately I think it's good for the both of you. So. Right.

But what happens though, if he makes that decision to like tell his friend, Hey, look, you know, I'm going to move it on with a different partner. Yeah. And that person then is like, you're dead to me. And then you get that new partner and doesn't do anything anyway.

And you're still, you know, and still getting the same numbers. And then you fucked over getting the same numbers. And then you fucked over a friendship over it. That was fucking crazy that this person was thinking that. And you gave the friend the upper hand too to be like, ha, ha, now look at you. Yeah, but you wouldn't have known unless you tried. So at least the-

So what's your recommendation? No shits and giggles. Is maybe record a couple more episodes if you still feel the same way. If it's, if you're not having fun doing it and you're dreading recording, then yeah, it's time to go. But I think it feels like in my gut says- You can put it more lightly. Like, hey, listen, I, yeah, I'm not, I'm not into this anymore. It's not you, it's me.

It's like any other relation, right? I'm trying to go in another direction. Yeah, it happens all the time. But what if it still gets the same numbers and then like you gave him and he lost a friend. If it gets the same numbers but you're having fun doing it, then it was worth it. It feels like this guy really just wants to get to a different level than he's at and it's not about fun. To me, it feels like he wants to achieve a certain. Okay, fame.

Tell Steve Dave like, uh, audiences. And he didn't say that. Well, again, if it's not happening with that, that cohost, then yes, you got to move on and if it doesn't happen with, with the next one, keep moving on until it works. Wow. That's cold. That's cold business. That's cutthroat.

Sure. But are we. Is podcasting really that cutthroat. Sure. But are we- Is podcasting really that cutthroat? It can be, yeah. But it's like, if you're moving onto a second and a third person partner, maybe it's you. Is it that cutthroat where we're going to like fucking trials and shit now?

Yes. It's that cutthroat. Ladies and gentlemen, it is. People are picketing, making signs, protesting. Yeah. This is, we're at that level everybody. I'm sorry to say it, but I'm sorry to take it to you guys. Wow, I am surprised that you would give that, you know, that is cold.

That is just like, I mean, yeah, believing in blindsided, just listen, you know, have a sit down and listen, I'm not. Mentality. I'm sorry I had to end this way, but we had a great run, but I'm going to move on. Every podcast, bands, whatever. I got a couple, two more. TV co-hosts. Yeah, like Metallica. Like had Metallica not moved on without Dave Mustaine.

They're like, look, we can't do this anymore. Yeah. And now look, Dave Mustaine moved on to Megadeth, Metallica moved on to Metallica not moved on without Dave Mustaine. They're like, look, we can't do this anymore. Yeah. And now look, Dave Mustaine moved on to Megadeth, Metallica moved on to Metallica. Yeah, it worked out for everyone. Yeah, it worked out for everyone. Pretty much, yeah. Yeah, but there's plenty of other. Sidenote situations where that doesn't happen. In fact, it probably usually doesn't happen.

Would you rather play it safe for a larger audience or be true to the style of show you want. Maybe resulting in less listeners, but ones who are there really enjoy the ride. Yeah, you got to do the latter. The whole point is starting a podcast so you can see where the hell you want. So yeah, I'm not here to win. That's what I thought. I'm not here to win, friends. I'm here to say whatever the hell I want to say. So I tell everybody that there's no rules in this, so you're not.

You have, but you're full of shit. You are full of shit. You know you can't say whatever you want right now. You know you can't. On my own show I can, yes. You can say whatever, you know you can't say whatever you want on any mic. You can say whatever you want, but then you're going to deal with the repercussions. It's not 2012 anymore.

Holy shit, is it not 2012? That's true. Yeah, I don't want nj.com coming after me. One little thing. One little thing. Yeah. And I don't want Bleeding Cool coming after me either saying I fucked up a panel. So, yeah.

So I could if I wanted to. That's the point. You could, but you choose not to though. Well, yeah. Because you want a larger audience. The Ming Chen I know, I think, you know, people would be shocked to hear off mic the way you fucking, the way you drag people. How Catholicly I am. You know, you keep that Ming Chen persona on the mic when you're out in public. And I try to be diplomatic.

I know where my bread is buttered. But yeah, if you have something you want to say or you need something to get real against somebody, then do it. Then do it. This is, you know, it's your show. You say whatever you want to say. And damned the consequences? Well, I mean, no, you're going to, if you put your foot in your mouth, you got to get

your own foot out, man. So yeah, but you also got to mention that too. Like you just can't tell the guy do say whatever you want and then he'll lose his job, his real job. Right. You told me to say whatever I wanted. I just lost my job. I was a teacher for 10 years.

Plus I'm not famous. And I'm not, atop that, I'm not even famous. Yeah, fuck you. It's all your fault. Yeah, sorry. You didn't tell me that if I said whatever I wanted. I didn't tell you. That, you know, that I could lose my job.

Yeah. Would you give somebody that advice? Like, you know what, don't even, if you think you're going to go on there and be like a hardcore, like, you know, conservative or hardcore Lib, whichever, and you have a regular job, you probably shouldn't just start a podcast. Yeah, but you, I mean, you could, you'd just a regular job. Yeah. You probably shouldn't just start a podcast. Yeah. But you, I mean, you could, you just lose your job, but you could, you could say it. You could say, that's, that's not for me to say, not for me to say.

But I. Maverick people. I say if you wake up. The maverick himself giving you land, giving you fucking. I say if you wake up. Podcasting lessons that you can't hear anywhere else. Yeah, exactly. If you wake up, you're all reeling to fucking Sonic because they put onion on your burger, then you do it, man.

You do it. That's what I say. All right, last one. Okay. It's definitely, I'm going to give you one, softball. How do you decide what tags to use to drive engagement? Tags? Hashtags!

Yes, I know! All right. Yes, I know. I know. This is what we're talking about. Tags? I think even hashtags aren't a thing anymore, right? They are. I don't know how they affect whether or not people find them or not.

When I gave you weighty ones, you fucking went, wow. You're ready to run out the door. It felt like I gave you a softball. Yeah, my ass is halfway off the chair. There are apps where you can find out what the popular hashtags are and just throw them on there and see if it works. There's apps for that? Yeah.

Yeah, you see what's trending and shit. Like on a date? Yeah, like right to the moment. Yeah, I'll tell you about that. Do you find that disingenuous though or almost like- It can be, yeah, which is why I don't really use them. Like bait and switch? Yeah, which is, yeah, I don't-

You don't hashtag a lot of your releases? Nah. Do you feel it could be hurting you? It could be, yeah. But I don't, I don't, yeah, I don't care. What would you hashtag this episode? This train wreck, fucking maverick. Why is it a train wreck?

Why is it a train wreck when I'm here? I think that's what people love though, right? Hashtag Maverick. Yeah, hashtag Maverick. That one always works. Hashtag broken friendship. Hashtag not famous. Hashtag bring back comic book man.

Was there ever a time when you thought about like maybe I need to drop the zero and get with a hero? Like when you were podcasting or did you just about like, maybe I need to drop the zero and get with a hero? Like when you were podcasting or did you just accept like, no, we're a team? Yeah, no, this is my lot. Yeah. I fucking see C3PO and shit when he's like trapped in the desert. No, I'm pretty loyal guy. So no, never, never any thought.

Some things happen. Sometimes things happen. Sometimes things happen. So life is full of strange and wondrous turns. Yes, it is. I'm here for all of it, but you got to stay on the road. Yeah. The, uh, the, the people that expected to get famous by podcasting, it's like, it's no different than, like I said, if you're a rock star or you're a writer, you're an author and you're like, why am I not famous? I wrote a book. Why am I not famous? Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. I put in a comic book. How come it's uh, you know, I'm not Jim Lee and Chris Claremont in X-Men yet It's like, well, because it sucks

That's why I hope that's not the way you're talking to your students You're giving your seminars No, not at all. No try to put some realistic expectations. You're a little bit more easy and a little bit rough around the edges. Try to be a little bit more realistic, but yeah, I'll break it to them gently. Can't always tell them Steve, Dave. The maverick people, the maverick, drop in knowledge. Yeah. Yeah. As he does.

Even took you guys years. Years. Took years. Years. And people remember in the early on, people got angry at us because we didn't make shirts, we didn't make merchandise, we were just focused on the pod kind of. And people got annoyed, started making their own stuff. Yeah.

Until we eventually got caught up in. Different crackdown on that shit, man. Yeah. Bootleg t-shirts. Leave those to me, man. Yeah, leave me the bootleg shit. All right. Let's see. Um, I'll let you, uh, as a professional podcast expert, I'll let you judge my spot reading.

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I've used it for a little while now prior to, uh, I was getting them as an advertiser. Uh, and it's mostly for this reason. Uh, Netflix has thousands of shows, but without a VPN, you can only get access to a fraction based on your location. And then, uh, they let you change your online location, control where you want Netflix or other streaming websites to think you're located. So if you want to go on there, like let's say Ming-Chen's at home, right?

He's using the family computer because he left his laptop. Right. He's actually at home. Imagine that. Right. Somehow you got into the house. They left the back door open or something because the locks have been changed. And you're like, yeah.

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Without letting you know, what's the reaction? I mean, it's a little suspect. Yeah. That yeah, I was like, wait, why wouldn't she tell you? Why wouldn't she tell you? And I mean, that can only lead to one thing, right? Murder. Yeah. Or attempted murder anyway.

Yeah. Start checking for arsenic, cyanide. That was the- Leech in your coffee. Yeah. This was a lady who was, it was arsenic, as a matter of fact. And she was, and this is a thing, it's like she was a preacher's wife who was, it was arsenic as a matter of fact. And she was, she was, and this is a thing. It's like, she was a preacher's wife who was doing it. I guess it was his, uh, it was her second marriage or something in his first marriage,

but he was a preacher and this lady was poisoning him with arsenic over the course of a year. They were able to tell later on because of the hair, the hair follicles. And he was, he went to the hospital and he was getting worse and they couldn't figure out why. And they're like, well, what is it that he's ingesting like, cause they looked at, you know, again, they look at the hair and they see that it's still happening when he's in the hospital.

And it's a, his wife had been bringing in home, home cooked meals and shit like that. And then once she stopped, he started getting a little better and a little better. And that's how they figured out that she had taken out the insurance policy and all the other shit. Wow. It's amazing.

The criminals who are like, you're not going to be smarter than everybody else. Right. Because it's not just you versus one guy or one cop or one detective. It's you versus like the forensic people, the homicide detectives, the fucking, the looky-loos that are just like the church people who are like, you know, talk to the cops and are like, I don't know, you might, she acts a little weird, man. You might want to talk to her. Yeah. Now there are like, there are podcasts out there investigating shit like this. Oh yeah.

Yeah. True crime podcast going, was it the Artsy Nick? Yeah. You're screwed. Yeah. You're done. But I did, I wondered myself, like, what would I do? This is what I wrote down because it was late and I was tired. Are you suspecting? No, no, just because I was watching that show, I'd hit that pussy one last time and take a bow and say, sorry, bitch, I'm outie. What, have you found out you took out a life insurance policy? A million dollars?

See, because I would be, yeah, there's so much that my wife does, financials and takes care of things that I would not – like it wouldn't even bat an eyelash. I would just be like, oh, okay. She's done all the details of our life anyway. Yeah, same with Mary Beth, but that would be suspect. She's younger, I'm older. She doesn't need to fucking, she's just patient. She's going to get it all in not that long anyway.

Look how old we are compared to her. Is she that impatient? She might be, I don't know. I think it's good the longer you stay alive, right? You get all that Patreon money, you're up to 10,000 subscribers and growing. Yeah. You don't want to kill the golden goose, man. Well, she's got the insurance policy. It's way more lucrative than waiting for Patreon.

Yeah, I guess so. I guess that's ongoing though, man, and growing. That is good though. Like you say, she's going to get it all anyway. All the shit that I don't want to deal with will eventually be hers to deal with, like all my stuff and all the crap that like, like, like look around the house and I've never seen anyone order as much shit as she orders, like stupid stuff from like there's these, there's this, um, I guess it's an Asian website called a Timo. She gets stuff from Timo? Yeah, she gets shit from Timo. Yeah, all that cheap crap.

It's so cheap. Even I won't buy it. All that cheap Chinese shit. It's like all cheap Chinese stuff and stuff that I'm like, do we really fucking need this? And then she's like, it was only a couple of dollars. And it's like this, you know, like how we use a washer and like, you know, if you close the door after you wash your clothes, sometimes it starts to get a little bit like musty and stale. So you want to like make sure it's dry or at least keep it open. So it's this like magnetic thing that sticks on the washer and it has like a little hook

that holds the door open. Right. And I'm like, why don't you just open the door all the way, it stays open by itself. Yeah. But it's, it's not good enough. I don't get it. Just, you know, you're going to be crushed

under the weight of like Hello Kitty rice cookers and shit. Those are the ads I see, right? Like fucking like rice steamers and like little mini irons or whatever. Chopstick holders. Wow. She got sucked to my T-move. Yes. But like when she has to deal with your stuff, you know, my guess is that she's just going

to call in like, you know, just like, just haul it out. Just haul it out. Like garbage? I got stuff that's worth money. It's not everything I own is shit. Well, I mean, you have to, I guess, beat it into her brain that it's not garbage then because most people are not going to look up every fucking Blu-ray. I saw your Blu-ray collection. Right. They're not all out of print.

Yeah. She's not making money off my Blu-rays. But I have a lot of action figures and stuff like that. Like I have a San Diego Comic-Con exclusive of Pamela Voorhees and it's worth like $500. She's going to have to do the homework then to look it all up on eBay and be like, and then when she looks up one exclusive, like not the Pamela Voorhees, but maybe something else, it's like $25. This isn't worth it. The next one she looks up. $15. exclusive, like, you know, not the Pamela Voorhees, but maybe something else is like, 25 bucks. This isn't worth it.

The next one she looks up. 15 bucks. Fuck this shit. You're right. Like that's, it's that. I have a couple of books that are worth a lot of money. And then other than that, it's just like, you're just general average shit that, you know, you probably pick up.

It's like Mike Zapp's Funko Pop. That's garbage. Trash. It's all, and then you, and then somebody's going to have a whole bunch of Brian Johnson merch on their flea market table at Collingwood in English town. Of all these companies that do, what's it called? Cleanouts? Right.

You know, that's what all that shit is trucked to then. Dude, that would be, you talk about karma. I remember when Kevin and I were really young, we were like, at like 19, 20, we worked for these guys that his mom knew and we went around to different estates. Like, you know, they would have estate sales and they would sell all the shit and the stuff that people didn't want was left behind. And we would go in there and take this stuff and throw it into a dumpster, like just clean out the house so that they could sell the house.

And I mean, I remember throwing away stuff that I'm like, this meant something to people. Like this lady, this one lady, I'll never forget her name was Marge and she had like a, like photo albums and it was like new year's Eve, 1969, a great time was had by all was written on the back. And, uh, she had like a whole bunch of teacups, like little fragile teacups that I guess she got from different states she went to or whatever. I was just hucking them into the fucking dumpster here, like listening to them shatter.

Almost everybody, everybody's stuff, a portion of it is going to be treated like that. All the things that you cherish are going to be treated like shitty little teacups. Right, yeah. By somebody. Look at this garbage. This fucking old idiot. My master works. This old idiot. I've told everybody in the house, I was like, these are not garbage.

Oh, really? These go for money. These are out of print. Do not just assume that you're not going to get something. Like the first book you look up may not go for money, but I'm telling you, there's other ones that will. You've got to maximize what's on these shelves or else you know, you've got to, if you maximize what's in on these shelves or else you're just throwing money away.

Right. Yeah. Don't treat it like teacups. Yeah, those teacups. I remember we took a sewing machine, we tried to sell this sewing machine to like five different antique shops, people like it's not an antique, it's garbage. So we just left it on the side of the road. But yeah, it was like we would try to like scavenge for stuff that was actually worth money.

She had a whole big TV guide collection. In retrospect, I wish we kept that. We could have used that, man. You could have used that. Yeah, I don't know. That show might be on the chopping block. Oh, no. Really?

All the catalog shows. Wait, it's going to get canceled? How ironic if it gets canceled. Because it's like a TV show. It gets canceled, man. What about it? Too far? Okay. That's our line. That's our line. Because it's like a TV show, it gets canceled, man.

What about it? Too far? Oh, okay. What was I going to say though? Oh, me and Gideon went to Goodwill. We were looking for a suit for him for a project, for a new Patreon show. And I went into the Goodwill. I went into three Goodwills over the course of last week.

And I saw so many things in that Goodwill that I know are just were, that someone cleaned out a house and somehow it found its way to this Goodwill. But it's like there's frames with the photos still in them. Oh, really? Like these old, old photos of this somebody's, this was on somebody's mantle or somebody's desk at some point and now it's in a Goodwill store. That, and there's really, I think, little to no chance

that it'll ever sell like some of this shit that was around it, but yeah, it's, it all goes there though, it all goes somewhere and most of it doesn't find a new home for somebody to cherish it after you're gone or we're gone. Right. It's sad, man.

Just the way it is. That's a photo though. If that person's house was on fire, they would have ran back in and got him, maybe. It is sad, but at the end of the day, it's not realistic though. The shit that you're like, my teacups. No one gives a fuck about your teacups. No, my teacups, no one gives a fuck about your teacups. No, my blu-rays. No one gives a fuck about your swarm fucking blu-rays.

Oh, come on. All your beam, all your horror beam, like your B about bees and shit. About bees, yeah, I have like four or five movies about bees. Look, I got a ton. I know, because I know I can say that because I have over a hundred DVDs that no one gives a fuck about. Right. including me. Well, at this point, yeah, DVDs, forget Blu-rays,

DVDs, I tried to play a DVD on my big TV, it doesn't translate anymore. The quality was about as bad as VHS. Really? Yeah, I couldn't believe it. Why? I don't know, I thought it would upscale it or something. It's digital.

It doesn't work like that. It was coded in a different format, dumbass. I was like, what? It's small. It's like trying to like, you know, it's like blowing up a photo. It's a postage stamp up into a poster. Oh, because your TV is too big. The TV is too big.

Yeah, well, Brian Big TV Johnson. I told her not to buy the TV. I was like, I'm not Brian Big TV Johnson. I was like, do not buy it. It's too big. And she fucking bought it anyway. She doesn't listen. It sounds like, yeah, you can't get a fucking,

you can't get a control over there at the Johnson Manor. Everybody's buying fucking shit they don't need, including big TVs. Big TVs. You can't watch your DVDs now. Although, I know, I buy a smaller TV so I can watch my shit.

She's like, your shit's old and stale. It doesn't work. Sure, it's policy billion dollars. I didn't tell you to buy this. I'd have to hand it to her though if she really was working on something to try to kill me for a million bucks. I'm like, wow, I did not see that coming. She's very loving. She's very sweet. Right. Wow. What had you fooled, man? Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. First it's glass in your ice cream and now like, whatever you're eating now.

Yeah, see, it wouldn't work on you. You would taste the arsenic in your pizza or chicken fingers right away, man. You wouldn't even have to taste it. You'd smell it. Yeah, you would smell it from a mile away. It's like, what is that? Yeah, he's like, that's almonds, isn't it? It smells like almonds.

Is that why ricens smell like that? Like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So what's going on with Ming-Chen? What do you got coming up? Anything you want to pimp?

No, it's a bunch of conventions. Yeah, where you're headed off to. And a couple cool places, Boise, Idaho. Wow, who the fuck goes to Boise, but Ming-Chen does. Yeah, me and fucking Sean Astin are going up there from The Goonies and Lord of the Rings. You'll go places that a lot of people won't go, right? Because you have to, shoot, all your fans demands. Like third world countries and shit.

Yeah. You'll go where, you know, a lot of celebs just are like, you know, it ain't worth it, but you find the, you know, within you. That's cool. Yeah. That you want to make- Trying to explore the world, man. That's a flight to- Boise? Boise. Oh my God, that's a lot of flight.

Yeah, I go to, I think Seattle first and then over to Boise. Go back to Anchorage. I went to Anchorage last year. They invited me back. Wow. That's great. Yeah, that's cool. Is it still nighttime, like 30 days out of the year over there?

It's more daytime. It's daytime. There's light on until about 10, 30, 11 at night. It's pretty cool. You would love it. Yeah. You would love it. You love staying up late. Yeah, that would be cool. Yeah. love it. You would love it. You love state of the plate. That would be cool.

Yeah. But everywhere I go, man. And I see though, like you're partying hearty wherever you go. I try to, yeah. Do you feel like, you know, you might be putting, partying like a younger man? Like, you know. I'm starting to feel it. Yeah, yeah, big time.

Really? Yeah. Yeah, you got maybe a slow down on the partying. I don't know if I'll be able to do that anytime. You can't, right? It's impossible. It's hard. It's hard.

Naming, you were recently in Texas and you showed – I'm not going to expose the content, but you showed me a video that really made me laugh. Yes. And I'm wondering, I feel it's one of those videos that with the right attention could go viral. Yeah, why didn't you post that? Why did you not post it yet? I don't know yet.

I think I wanted to send it to a sec few people first to see if it was funny. I mean, it's pretty funny. It's hysterical. Dude, it's hysterical. What's even funnier than what you do is what you say. Yeah. If you're listening to this, it will have been posted. Posted by now?

Yeah, it'll be posted by now. Okay. Where should they go to see it? Go to Twitter. It'll be over at Twitter, Instagram, Facebook. Will you hashtag it too? I'll hashtag it. Hashtag it.

Hashtag funny. Funny. Hashtag T-E-S-T pizza, I guess. Hashtag maverick. Hashtag maverick, yeah. Hashtag asshole. Big time. Yeah, we can talk about it. It'll be posted by now. Oh, that's true. Yeah. Yeah, you sent it to me and it's you,

and I assume you're lit. I'm pretty lit, yeah. Yeah, you're drunk. And it's not a recent video. That's why I even brought this up, because you look like you got that thousand mile stardom. Oh yeah, I'm lit, yeah, for sure. You're like, you can't even,

like you're seen into other universes, it looks like. Yeah, so this happened in Austin, Texas in 2015. Oh, that was that long ago? Yeah, it was that long ago. Dude, you haven't really aged that much. I thought it was recently. Thank you, Texas in 2015. Oh, that was that long ago? Yeah, that was that long ago. Dude, you haven't really aged that much. I thought it was recently. Thank you. I definitely am a svelter.

I'm definitely thinner and younger, but yeah, and stupider apparently. I mean, it was a total accident. It was, yeah. It was. The way you say, ah. No, it was a total accident. It's going to lead people to believe it was an accident. It was 1000% an accident, yeah.

But yeah, if you watched a video, I'm lit, I'm drunk. I'm making a video where I'm holding a slice of pizza and a friend is asking me to disparage the pizza because it's a Texas pizza, not Jersey pizza. I end up throwing it and it ends up hitting a dude in the side of the face. Guys, passing by is innocent, probably having a bad day. And I just made it worse. He looked like he was having a bad day. It looked like every day is a bad day for this guy.

Yeah. I believe he was homeless. Oh. Yeah. And I believe- You could have left that out. No, no. I'm not leaving that out.

I think it makes it even worse that I slapped him in the face with a piece of pizza. I think he was lit as well, which is why he didn't try to retaliate or anything. He just kind of- Yeah, his reaction, I don't know. How would you have reacted, Walt, if some young punk is on the side of the road? I would have been angry, but I mean, it's diffused it immediately. Right. I apologize.

It was just like- He diffused it. Yeah, you were like, you apologize immediately. You didn't mean it. It was definitely one of those wrong time,used it. Yeah, you were like, you apologize immediately. You didn't mean it. It was definitely one of those like wrong time, wrong place type situations. It couldn't have been one in a million shot that it hit him that square in the face. Fucking hysterical.

Yeah. I felt bad. I really felt bad. Did you? Yeah. Then afterwards he was like, hey man, can I get a dollar? I gave him five bucks. I was like, yeah, you got to go.

I gave him five bucks. Yeah. I gave him five bucks, yeah. I genuinely felt bad. It's lucky that's left off the video because then it makes it, it wouldn't be as funny. No, I guess not. But yeah, the reason that I sent it to you now, and I forgot she'd taken the video and I saw the person who shot it recently. I'm like, hey, did you, was that on video?

And she looked back and she still had it. So we had a good laugh. I was like, I know a guy who would enjoy this. Send it right over to you. Yeah. I immediately showed it to Mary Beth. I was like, you gotta watch this. So it'll be, yeah, go to Twitter and definitely check it out.

And yeah, hopefully I don't lose my Maverick status after that. But you think that could, that could hurt you and like, I mean, some, you know, there are some people garnering more awards in the future? There are some audiences out there that would be offended by that. That would be insensitive. Even saying homeless instead of unhoused, I'm going to have to cut that. He's on record as saying, I say what I want. Yeah, it's true. He is a maverick.

Yeah, while he was almost unhoused, whatever the differences. So yeah. None. Yeah. None. For some reason, the word unhoused makes some people feel better about other people being homeless. I think homeless people are probably like,

I don't have a home motherfucker. I don't care. Call me whatever you want. Just get me a home. Right. Yeah. Or a dollar. Yeah.

Or a dollar. Or a dollar. Just don't throw pizza on me. Yeah. Yeah. I did, I did feel bad. So, and throw pizza on me. Yeah. Yeah, I did feel bad. So, and you know, it's no excuse, but I was pretty drunk. Good as excuses, Andy. Yeah, not an excuse.

So, well, I'm glad you found it funny and not like what an asshole. I saw it as complete and utter accident. It was, yeah. It was. Yeah, so go to Ming Chen's social media and check out that video. It's pretty funny. Listen to what he says, because that really made me laugh. Yeah, I've to Ming Chen's social media and check out that video. It's pretty funny. Listen to what he says. Cause that really made me laugh.

Yeah. I've turned the sound up, I guess. Yeah. Well, yeah. I actually hear the pizza smacking the guy's face too, which is crazy that it caught that. But not my, not my best moment. I'm going to have to jump on some of these, uh, some of these cons with Ming. My wife wants a new bathroom.

Oh yeah? Yeah. Did you ever try to price a new bathroom? Oh, anything. Holy shit. The whole improvement area is going to be pricey and there's no cheap renovations. A lot of hidden costs. I'm thinking about having to get an insurance policy on me and figuring my death.

While she's taking a dump, she's like,'s like the bathroom that Brian's death built me. I think my best bathroom renovation story was, I was at a con once. I saw Jason Muse walking in the front door of the hotel. I remember this. He's got bags of Legos, just bags. It looks like he bought all our toys for us. He's like, holy crap, man, where'd you get all those? I was like, yeah, I went and I bought everything I didn't have and he kept going. So I texted his wife and

I'm like, hey, we're here at the con. I just saw Jay. Man, he had a lot of Legos with him. She's like, oh really? I'm like, yeah, she's okay. Three hours later, I saw Mikko. He runs over to me. He starts yelling in my face like, dude, what the fuck, man? Why'd you rat me out like that? That wasn't cool. I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? He's yelling at me as if I caught him with another woman, I told his wife. And he said, my wife said you texted her and said I had a bunch of Legos. Why'd you go do that? Yeah, why did you? I just thought it was, I was just making a comment. It was a lot of, it was so many that

I had to make a comment. I remember when I was talking to her, she was like making a comment. It was a lot of, it was so many that I had to make a comment. I remember when I was talking to her, she was like, he has a renovation to pay for, he can't be buying that shit. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, she got, she yelled at her, or she yelled at him, she was like, Jay, you can't be buying these Legos at you, we can't renovate our bathroom with Legos.

And I was kind of like, actually you could, if you wanted to. Now, what about the bathroom? Why did you say bathroom? Oh, because he was, she wanted him to save the money for the bathroom renovation. Oh, OK. I thought you said he was in the bathroom with the bags. No, no, no.

That's really weird. He came out of the stall and he had all many. No, it was a hotel. He's walking through the front door. I never guess how I got these leg clothes. Speaking of cons and bathrooms, though, I mean, have you guys smoothed it over when you got that joke you made about? I have not. You still haven't done it? I have not. I mean, have you guys smoothed it over when you got that joke you made about? I have not.

You still haven't done it? No, I have not. What did he do? He made the joke. The pooping joke. The pooping joke about somebody who pooped down the con floor. Yeah, I was gonna go smooth it over and I haven't.

And he still hasn't smoothed it over. What's, is it pride? It's not pride, I just don't wanna deal with it. Don't care enough? I think that's what it is, doesn't care enough It's a pride. It's not pride. I just don't want to deal with don't care enough I think that's what it is doesn't care enough. I care If you care you can send the text I could send a text I'd rather just go in and be like dude listen I'm sorry. I I offended you online. I took all the posts down. So that's step one. You're laughing at me I'm trying to delete it the posts. I deleted them all.

Yeah. They were classic, man. Yeah. Classic Mike shit on the com four. Yeah. Well, listen, that's, it's going to be hard to apologize when they're still up there. Yeah, that's true. Like, I mean, I'm sorry.

Does he even know that they've been deleted? No, he does not. Yeah, so. He will though. He will. When I, when I get off my ass and go in there and apologize. When you eventually go and apologize. Yes. Okay. Yeah. All. He will though. He will. When I, when I get off my ass and go in there and apologize. When you eventually go and apologize. Yes.

Yeah. What a touchy motherfucker. Touchy guy. But he's been talking about apologizing for. For a while now. For a while. I know. I shouldn't wait this long.

No. Maybe do it right now on Mike. I, no. I. Would you like to make a public apology on Tom Steve Dave? I mean, I am right now. Yes. Mike, I'm sorry I offended you online.

I didn't think you were going to get this upset and it was not my intention to upset you this bad and I hope you accept my apology. We've done a lot of great things and I hope it can continue. If I know Mike, he is definitely going to accept that. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. He's a listener. Yeah.

Somebody's going to hit from that. You apologize. Yeah. Somebody let him know that you apologize. No, I feel if he feels bad, then yeah, I apologize for sure. But I should be a man. You know he feels bad. You see, you don't feel like coming at him from a different angle.

Like, dude, stop being such a fucking pussy. Everybody knows you did any shit on the con floor. That's a Brian Johnson apology, and that usually doesn't go over. That's strong gasoline on the fire. Yeah. Okay. Although I remember, my analogy is the last time I was really mad at you, like we made up in two weeks.

Like, it was so stupid. Who, me and you? Yeah. We were mad at each other? Yeah, yeah. I was mad because you didn't show up to a con in two weeks. It was so stupid. Me and you? Were you mad at each other? Yeah, yeah. I was mad because you didn't show up to a con in New Orleans. Oh, I remember. In New Orleans, yeah, I remember that. I was getting the brunt of that too.

Yeah, he was. I don't even go to any cons. At two o'clock in the morning, I just get a text, no more fucking favors. No more fucking favors. I was like, I care for it. I go, is this intended for me? Fuck yeah. It was intended for you.

I was like, what is going on? He's like, Brian Johnson didn't show up. I'm like, what does that this intended for me? Fuck yeah. It was intended for you. And I was like, what is going on? He's like, Brian Johnson didn't show up. And I'm like, what does that do with fucking me? Okay. And? It doesn't. I was texting you and Q at the same time. He's probably saying the same thing.

He's like, what the fuck? To be fair, I was in New Orleans, it was two in the morning. You can imagine what, at what, at what state I was in by then. Mad and drunk. You know what? You could, you could, I mean, I think I moan an apology if you want to do, you're on an apology roll right now

if you want to do issue one for texting me at 2 o'clock in the morning. Well, yeah, I apologize for that. I woke you up, but you're probably awake. I apologize for involving you in something that you were not, you probably, you weren't even involved in. Or aware if I was there or not. I just need to vent to somebody who I thought might understand my frustration.

I think you would be frustrated. But you had threatened me though with like – Oh, no more favors? Yeah, with like that I was going to pay the price. It wasn't you per se. I don't know. It was a blanket like – at the time I was like, man, all the shit I've done for that guy, it was more aimed at him.

But I didn't mean to imply that you were going to suffer as well. And you didn't, ultimately. No, I didn't. But I was scared. I was. You were scared? Yeah. That I was going to snap.

No, somehow there was going to snap? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no wider latitude than a regular guy. Yes. Like if it were today, you know I'd show up. Oh, sure.

There's no doubt about it. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, I did learn that harsh – yeah, the Roxy's reared its ugly head. Yeah. Not fun. Yeah. I was very reluctant to get – Sage was sick recently.

I brought her to urgent care and they gave her this, uh, syrup, this cough syrup. It's a promothalazine or something like that. And it's the shit that they use to make lean or purple drank, you know, it's a codeine syrup. Uh, and what it does is it tricks your brain into not coughing. And I don't know if you remember, but like, remember on comic book one, there was one summer where I was like, I could not stop fucking coughing. It was like, there was a tickle in my throat and I was taking that shit all summer in addition to

the fucking rock season stuff. Right. Wow, you're on a roll, man. Yeah, yeah. What does it do? The syrup? Yeah. I don't know.

There's some kind. I don't know if it's – it must be the coating. So that syrup is no longer used in soda any longer? No, no, no. No, no. Purple drank is like a – It's a concoction that a lot of like – Rappers. Rappers and gangsters and stuff.

Yeah, they invented it in Houston, I think. It's supposed to get you drunk and high and shit. Yeah. It's cough syrup. It's cough syrup but it has codeine in it. Oh, gosh. Which is not legal without a prescription in this country. Yeah, like Rite Aid. I saw a sign at Rite Aid the other day when I was picking up my medication. They're like, we're not even going to carry it anymore.

Why? Because people don't want to deal with opiates. They're like, we're not even going to carry it anymore. Because people don't want to deal with opiates. Yeah, they just don't want to deal with opiates. It fucks you. It gets you high. It makes you feel good. All right. I thought it was just basically all they was making you stop coughing.

You know how I'm cured? There's still a full bottle of it in my house. I didn't drink it. Wow. You're chugging it down like crazy. I didn't mix it up with some Sprite. Purple drink. A little purple drink. Your tongue is all purple.

Hey guys. Yeah, they put like Jolly Ranchers in it to make it sweeter. So it doesn't taste like cough syrup. You never heard of it. Yep. It's a new thing, man. All the kids are doing it. Yeah, you got to get down to Clutch City.

If you can get a hold of that shit. Drink some purple drink, man. And you're a low rider. Yeah. Well, thank you, Ming. We appreciate you coming out. Oh, yeah. We broke one of his rules, though.

He's like, don't go over an hour. And we went an hour and 20 minutes almost. Oh, come on. Wow. Yeah, this is your show, not mine. So, yeah, you guys operate by your own rules. That's why you guys have gone almost 600 episodes. You keep throwing it out there.

Like, you're trying, like that we play, like, our own rules. Yeah. You're trying to get people to watch. You're trying to get people to watch. You're trying to get people to watch. You're trying to get people to watch. You're trying to get people to watch. You're trying to get people to watch. You're trying to get people to watch. You're trying to get people to watch. You're trying to get people to watch. Yeah, you guys operate by your own rules. That's why you guys have gone over 600 episodes. You keep throwing it out there.

We play our own rules and we do what we want. Is that the aura that we put out there? I think so, yeah. We're kind of like rebels. I believe so, yeah. Really? I like that. There was a strip that came out recently on TSD comics on Instagram and it's you were

asking who's the bad boy of podcasts and I said if you're talking about bad at it, it's probably Mike and me. So I think maybe we could be the bad boys of podcasting, right? Do you know anybody else who's as rebellious as we are? No, not really. There's definitely way in 2024. Like I think in US, I think like freaking like like Bill Lambier, bad boys with pistons from 1989 like won the championships like this guy throwing elbows at the podcast

world. I had no idea you had you held us in that regard. For sure. Really like to me it feels more like clown shoes. Clown shoes? I still people are laughing, man. Being five bucks a month for those clown shoes. Continue to do it. Patreon.com slash TESD, man. Wow. Look at this motherfucker. It's a promotion machine. Yeah, man.

Hashtag fucking five bucks. Hashtag Patreon. Heck yeah, man. Hashtag tell them Steve, Dave.