Tell Em Steve-Dave - #635: Step Counts
Episode Date: May 5, 2025Horses, suicide of the week, stadium fall, Ming’s new biz, 100 men vs gorilla craze, Bill Belichick and his gal pal....
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Send somebody through a Van Allen belt and get them back.
And then I'll say, yeah, you got a big... Forces are constantly trying to commit suicide.
What?
It's inappropriate and it's wrong and it's mean, it's bullying, blah blah blah, all this
other shit I was like, oh my fucking god
Tell him Steve Dave. Hello and welcome to this week's edition of tell him Steve Dave. We've got no cue here this week. Well
He's out being fancy. He's out. He's out acting like a Colonel over in, Kentucky
Hmm He's out being fancy. He's out acting like a Colonel over in Kentucky. Hmm. Is he betting on the horse race?
Does he know the ponies?
I don't think so.
He's never mentioned it before.
I think it's some kind of charity thing that he's doing.
I think is horse racing becoming a thing of like a dinosaur?
Is that like being phased out?
People are like it's mean.
Well, not only is it mean, but it's like I don't think young people are into horse
racing.
I mean, I knew some old timers.
My grandfather was into horse racing, had formulas written up and a wheel that he would
spin.
There's like this wheel that he had.
I couldn't follow what he was talking about, but he was so into horse racing.
I just don't – I haven't met anybody since my grandfather who was into horse racing. I just don't – I haven't met anybody since my grandfather who was into horse racing.
I went to this – it was like some kind of party where all the sopranos were there. It
was a party that Mike was supposed to get me in and then failed, so I had to rely on
Furio. It was up in North Jersey at the – what is it called?
Belmont?
No, not Belmont.
The Meadowlands? Yeah, is it just the Meadowlands? And I watched,
I bet on a horse, I came in dead last, and that's the only time I've ever been to a
horse race or bet on a horse.
Yeah, there was a couple of times for Mother's Day when my mother-in-law was alive that we
all met and went out for Mother's Day at, what's the one that's-
Monmouth Park.
Monmouth Park.
And a lot of people did show up, but they say it's just for Mother's Day though.
Every other Sunday is not like this, but I'm like, what mother really wants to go hang
out at a fucking racetrack though?
It's usually going to be a little bit warm.
There's a lot of people around.
It smells.
It's kind of like a picnic atmosphere to it.
I was doing karate in the intersections.
But has in Monmouth Park folded yet?
No.
It's not going to?
No.
I thought it was.
Freehold, freehold folded.
Freehold folded.
So they're-
Freehold done?
Yeah.
Hey, Jeff just showed up.
What's your problem?
I was just waiting for my introduction. I thought I was just listening.
Hello.
I guess we're breaking etiquette this week.
What?
Have you ever gone to the-
Twice.
It's boring as shit.
Isn't it?
Yeah, it's like-
The horses, it takes about two seconds for the horses to race.
Then there's about 25 minutes in between races.
Yeah.
Because you'll never see anybody more excited than a person who's winning on a long shot.
I mean, holy shit.
I actually like the ones with the, like the metal lands ones with the chariots or whatever
they are.
The harness racing.
They're actually a little bit more fun to watch.
Why?
It reminds me of gladiator days.
You don't like, you don't think it's like a little bit more of a pussyfied way to do
it though, like rather than sitting right on the back of a thousand pound beast.
Whipping his ass telling him to get going.
You know, you're just sitting in a sidecar like Robin, you mean?
That's what happens to Christopher Reeve whipping ass.
Stay off the horses.
They're dangerous, man.
They're docile creatures.
Are they?
They do seem pretty nice, most horses, you know.
Until they get a kick in the head.
So that's what happened.
Horses are constantly trying to commit suicide.
What?
Yeah, horses are just constantly trying to commit suicide.
They're just always trying to find ways to kill themselves.
In what way?
What do you mean?
In the stupidest way possible.
They're just like careless, you mean?
Yeah, yeah, they're just stupid.
So they're not like jumping off cliffs or anything like that?
If they would, they could.
Self-harming horses.
I've seen them run straight into a fence that they've avoided a million times and just run
straight into a wooden fence and then they get stuck with a piece of wood and then you
got to get the vet out there.
It's just insane.
Maybe you're just raising stupid horses.
No, no.
Could be.
We saw him fall on the back seat of your car.
I have a, speaking of suicide, Gidham.
Yes.
I have a suicide of the week.
Okay.
The last one was, if you remember, Walt, it was Sarco, the sarcophagus out in the woods,
killing yourself. This is an experienced skydiver with over 400 jumps, appears to have leapt to her death
on purpose.
Have you ever done any skydiving Sunday?
No.
He wants to though.
You said you would.
I would have done it.
You think you're too old now?
You think you're past that cutoff date?
Nah.
Nah, I don't think I'm too old.
There's a place right around the corner.
You said you would have done it, but as if you're like, you know what, that time has
passed. I got kids now. I if you're like, you know what, that time has passed.
I got kids now.
I need to be around, you know?
I remember for the Life Insurance Policy, they asked you questions like that.
Do you skydive?
Do you do it?
It's like all risky shit.
So I guess, you know, worried about your policy.
Did you lie or did you tell them that you're a fucking maniac?
I told them I'm a...
A weekend wind maniac.
I told them I'm a stuntman.
Did you tell them that you're a fucking maniac. I told them I'm a stud man. You just tell them that you eat raw figs. I do a podcast. That's even worse.
They canceled me.
Denied.
Speaking of that, this is, if you like this episode of Tell them Steve Dave, this is basically
the All New Sunday Jeff Show, just minus Tom, who was here last week.
And I think people will be okay with that.
It's 100% less Tom today.
Had to go last week.
Tom had a midlife crisis. He came in and...
He got his balls snipped, so he could have some kind of crisis.
Do you think that... I didn't factor that into his maybe that's why he is so melancholy and blue.
Do you think he feels like he backed down and made his wife happy by getting his nuts nipped and
there's a little bit of resentment now?
Yeah, there's a bit of a grudge.
Was it his? I remember it clear on the story, I mean,
Louis told it a hundred times that the wife was the one who suggested like, go ahead and get it done.
Yeah, I think so. That's a lot easier. That's was the one who suggested like, go ahead and get it done. Yeah.
I think so.
That's a lot easier.
I'm sure right now he's dreading his teeth going like this.
No, my wife didn't make me.
It was all my idea.
But does it lower testosterone or anything like that?
I don't think so.
I think it's completely fine.
It's supposedly a lot easier for a male than it is a female to get it done.
That's what they used to do back in the day, they had the kids keep their voices higher
when they were like choir singers, just cut the nuts right off.
Castranos?
Yeah, Castranos.
Have you seen changes in Tom since he's had it done?
Does he sing in a high voice?
Falsetto.
Yeah, but this is basically an all new Sunday Jeff show.
It really is, yeah.
Right?
Led by Sunday, usually we got some Sunday funnies.
Yeah.
Sunday we'll tell some jokes.
Don't have any funnies at the ready though.
No?
You should have some always at the ready.
You should have some in your wallet.
Oh yeah.
In case of emergency.
Yeah, like if you're at a party or something.
Like you know that car that the subcommanders have to crack open to launch nuclear missiles?
Yeah, I forgot the key to open the box.
In your wallet should always be a little index card.
You're ready for some tes dee funnies?
But anyway, so this was an experienced skydiver who fell to her death in what appears to be
a deliberate action to end her own life according to the company that took her up.
Yeah, because they don't want to get sued.
Right, that's what't want to get sued. Right.
That's what they're going to say.
She was married, 32, had more than 400 successful jumps, was killed instantly when she crashed
into a farmer's field.
It's not being treated as suspicious because they think that, like I said, it was a deliberate
act.
She was mad for the sport, the unidentified friend said, and just two days before she
died, she did 11 jumps.
That's a lot of jumps. That's a lot of jumps.
That's a lot. She must have done about 80 this year, he said. Okay, so
11 jumps in one day. How long does it take to get up there and then come down again?
It'd be a certain altitude to fly. I mean, you get up there, then come down. You got to repel,
what if you have another parachute or you repack the one you have?
Cause you know, you got to get a new parachute or do something every time you go up.
About a course of eight hours, I bet you you could do 11 jumps.
11 jumps though.
11 hours, I mean, 11 jumps is a lot.
I've been thinking about being a, cause there's a skydive company in a lair and I
would hear the planes go up, they go on the weekends. They seem to go up about every half hour.
It says here between 10,000 to 14,000 feet is about how high they get you up to skydive.
Looks high.
Yeah.
10,000.
It's pretty high.
Every once in a while, I would set up my little monocular and I'd follow the plane up and
then watch the people actually jump out.
It's really weird.
Does she have problems? Does she have any reason? watch the people actually jump out. It's really weird.
Does she have problems?
Did you see this little dot?
Doesn't say. It doesn't say about any problems. It's not being treated as suspicious and
her file will now be prepared for the coroner.
So how do they know it was a malfunction? How would they ever tell if, I mean, falling
from that altitude?
Unless she left on the suicide note, how do they know it was suicide?
Or maybe she left her parachute.
Well, I wouldn't even let her out of the plane. Just going up to the pilot would be just like, what are you doing? Because if there was a malfunction, she would have had to pull both chutes, the mainland
reserve.
Plus there usually is a altitude, like emergency backup in case you pass out.
It's pretty good looking gal.
So if she had deactivated that, the backup, and none of the things were pulled, it would
more than look like she was going to pass out.
So she had deactivated that, the backup, and none of the things were pulled, it would more
than look like she was going to pass out.
So she had deactivated that, the backup, and none of the things were pulled, it would more
than look like she was going to pass out.
So she had deactivated that, the backup, and none of the things were pulled, it would more
than look like she was going to pass out.
So she had deactivated that, the backup, and none of the things were pulled, it would more
than look like she was going to pass out.
So she had deactivated that, the backup, and none of the things were pulled, it would more
than look like she was going to pass out.
So she had deactivated that, the backup, and none of the things were pulled, it would more
than look like she was going to pass out.
So she had deactivated that, the backup, and none of the things were pulled, it would
more than look like she was going to pass out.
So she had deactivated that, the backup, and none of the things were pulled, it would more than look like she was going to pass out. So she had deactivated that, the backup, and none of the things were pulled.
It would more than likely either be she committed suicide or she passed out.
Just fall from that distance.
I mean, what's left?
Like, what would you find?
Oh, you'd still be, there'd be something.
She landed in a field.
It was soft.
Yeah, she bounced off the ground, no doubt.
Did you see that guy fall out of the stadium yesterday?
No.
In Pittsburgh?
Oh yeah, he fell from the second level or something.
He was fucking, he was fucking, he was fucking, he was fucking, he was fucking, he was fucking,
he was fucking, he was fucking, he was fucking, he was fucking, he was fucking, he was fucking, he was fucking, he was fucking, he was fucking, he was fucking, he was fucking, he was fucking, he was fucking, he was fucking, he was fucking, he was fucking, he was falling, no doubt. Did you see that guy fall out of the stadium yesterday?
No.
In Pittsburgh?
Oh yeah, he fell from the second level or something.
It was fucking 30 feet.
Baseball game?
And it's like, it's on camera.
Like you see the base hit bounce in front of the center fielder.
It looks like a dummy falling.
And then all of a sudden you just see this guy's body fall and hit the field.
And I don't know what happened to him, but it did not look good.
It looked like it landed on his head.
I mean, you've been in somebody's stadium's got real, especially in the upper seats, it's got a real, the pitch
is really far. I mean, it looks almost like if you trip, you're going over that glass.
They shouldn't be able to get over that banister though. There's no way adult bodies should
fall over that banister.
Well, even at the Prudential Center where we sat up top the one time, they had the glass,
but I'm saying the pitch is pretty high.
I mean, you just trip or whatever.
If that glass isn't there, you're going over, man.
You know that now that all stadiums are going to have to do something now to ensure that
nobody can get fall over those.
Hey, it'd be glass all the way to the roof.
Yeah, I mean, here it is.
Yeah, 20 feet.
That's how they feel.
Oh, wait, I didn't see him fall.
Can you play that again?
Get him? I'm trying. It's this Fox News website. Yeah. 20 feet. That says, Oh wait, I didn't see him fall. Can you play that again? Get him. I'm trying. It's this Fox news.
Yeah. It's like, was this a purposeful purpose? It looks like he jumps to be honest with you.
Like he wants to get on the field. He's like, it's not that far. Or he's drunk.
That's entirely possible. Yeah. All right. So here he is. Oh, there he goes. Holy shit.
He definitely got up on top. You can see he was getting on top of the rail.
He flipped right over.
Yeah, that's rough. I saw that at a Devils game once. A guy fell over the concourse and landed on people below him.
I don't know what happened to those people, but we were there and they didn't even stop the
game. This thing stopped the game. This was in 1990.
Well, he's on the field. They have to stop the game.
Yeah, true.
He's definitely hanging there. I mean, nobody stops him either. It's weird.
Has he?
Oh, it looks like he's leaning backwards.
Has he been pronounced dead?
Get him or is he critically injured?
Oh boy.
You go to a game and you never think that's going to happen.
Break your neck or something.
That's all over.
Yeah.
That's rough.
You go and you get hit with a puck or something like the statistically, the
chances of that, like a puck hitting you in the face.
It's like, yeah, it did it.
Killed that girl.
It dropped.
It killed a tiny 10-year-old girl.
That's why there is nets all over the NHL now, but for decades there was no nets.
You pay attention or you could get hit.
Isn't it weird how it takes something tragic to make people move their asses, as opposed
to somebody being proactive and saying, you know what, there's a puck flying around at
hundreds of miles an hour. It could go off the ice and hit somebody. Maybe we should put some
mess up.
It's changed over how many years though it never happened though.
It never happened.
How many years? The players are bigger, all the equipment, everything, the sticks are
different. Yeah, it just flies off. I mean, it's a hundred miles an hour.
Composite sticks are insane what they can make that puck travel at now.
Remember they had goalies without no masks.
There was only one guy that could shoot a hundred miles per hour back in the,
not like in the eighties and nineties.
It was like ally of Frady.
McGinnis.
And yeah, McGinnis.
That was it.
And now like every fucking guy can now shoot at a hundred miles an hour
because of those sticks.
It's crazy.
I remember I was watching a video on foul balls and how dangerous foul balls are in
baseball.
They set up a plexiglass shield and fired a ball and Brian Gumbel or Dan Gumbel, one
of the Gumbels is talking to the people and even if they're fully paying attention, sometimes
they didn't even get it, were able to get a glove up or their hand up in front of their
face and it's just crazy.
They've kind of eliminated that now though with –
I don't watch baseball do it too. Is there some kind of –
They have netting up and behind now in a lot of areas. Not every area though.
Yeah. I think when this video was made, it was very rare.
It was always behind home plate as far as I remember. I just didn't know if they do
it down third and first base
if they have nets now.
Sunday Jeff, I was wondering about you because I know you're into airplanes, that kind of
thing.
Are you also into rocketry?
Like space rockets?
Yeah, like this Blue Origin thing where you're following this?
No.
No, you didn't care.
No. Wow. Do we even have a space program anymore? Yeah, like this Blue Origin thing where you're following this? No. No. No, you didn't care.
No.
Wow.
Do we even have a space program anymore?
Yeah, we have a whole bunch of rockets going off.
I don't think NASA's doing it.
We have manned people that are actually, it seems like they gave up after the space shuttle
program.
Well, I mean, when you've got billionaires doing it better. Are they?
Well, I mean, have they lost any astronauts yet?
I bet NASA can't say the same.
Can NASA say that they haven't lost anybody?
Yeah, but I'm saying how many times have they gone up?
I mean, they've had a lot of success.
Look, there's going to be failures.
There's going to be failures.
Everything's got to trial and error.
Every person on the ISS has been put up there by private.
I don't know.
Just recently, those two astronauts were stuck in space for how long? Was it like six months?
I think nine months.
And I heard that it did shit to their body too. They may not revert back to their normal state.
What was in a wheelchair?
Longing at their heads and shit.
Yes, that's what people are saying.
The lady's face looks so different when she got out of that rocket or whatever.
Living in what's it called?
An orbit, is that called?
Or when you're in free, what's it called?
Zero gravity.
Zero gravity.
For that long, it changed your cranium.
Maybe that's why those aliens look like that.
Hey, could be on to something Right? Could be on to something here.
Could be on to something.
If you're married to one of the ladies that goes up in the space and she can't get back
down, can you overlook the fact that now her head is now elongated and looks like, basically
it looks like a skateboard?
Oh, it does go back to normal?
It does go back to normal?
It looks like a banana with It doesn't go back to normal?
It looks like a banana with two arms on the side.
Can you overlook that or are you just kind of like, you got to wear a hat, honey?
Sure, we can overlook that.
We got to get you a new hat.
Yeah, and the hat already covers just like it's a small little, it's like those little
hats that you got ice cream for when you were a kid.
The tiniest hat on your head.
Yeah, it says right here, they were stranded in space for nearly nine months after their
initial eight day mission.
Nine months?
They couldn't get to them?
Nine months they couldn't get to them.
Then finally, a private company, SpaceX did it.
They went and got them.
Which one is SpaceX?
Is that Musk or which is the one that Bezos has?
Blue Origin.
Blue Origin?
Yeah.
Does that mean Argent?
Origin.
Oh, Origin.
Yeah, sorry.
Yeah, it was a Boeing craft they went up in, but they weren't sure of its safety,
but it did actually land safely.
Can you imagine having that much money that your pissing contests are between billionaires
are like, well, I got out to space farther than you did.
Right.
I mean, that's what it's come down to. There's
no way to measure their dicks on earth. They got to do it out in space now.
Do you not remember during the 90s when all the billionaires were growing up on balloons?
Yes.
And they were like, you're trying to get around the world faster than the other ones were?
Nothing much excites them, I guess.
Yeah. I mean, they're literally having to take it off planet to show how big their dicks are.
Stupid.
All that money that they're spending on it.
It's scary how much money some of these people have.
It could be spent so much in better ways.
Now, you're sounding like everybody else that's been, because I was wrong. I was wrong about this,
Blorge, this lady's flight.
Why?
Everybody's against it. I was talking initially, I think not you know, this ladies flight. Why? Everybody's against it.
Like, I was talking initially, like, I think not last week, but the week before about how,
like, there were a couple celebrity women who were like, you know, it's like you said,
it's a waste of resources.
It's a waste of time.
You're going for a ride.
And then it really like it blew up and people went after Katy Perry, like Burger King or
Wendy's.
Wendy's.
Wendy's.
Wendy's like they were like somebody posted like Katy Perry is back from Spacens and Wendy's
posted like send her back.
But she took it like as if they called her a cunt or something.
Her sources were like it's inappropriate and it's wrong and it's mean, it's bullying,
blah, blah, blah, all this other shit.
I was like, all this other shit.
I was like, oh my fucking God.
Come on.
Well, I heard that after we said, why are people upset about it, I saw some people correct
us on why we were wrong.
To not be upset?
To not be upset.
Okay.
Was one of the things that Katy Perry did, which I was like, I didn't know that, was
she used the opportunity to talk about her new album that was dropping.
Her tour dates, yeah.
She held up a little – you couldn't even read it.
Oh, she did this in space?
She did it while she was in space.
She spent so much time looking at the camera in space.
She's holding up a daisy.
She's holding up her tour dates.
Like all this shit.
It's like you're – it's nuts.
You're only up there for 11 minutes.
I would love to go up there for 11 minutes.
Would you?
Sure.
You wouldn't be scared?
No. Who is this? The Amazon one?
This is the Amazon.
His just barely gets into the crest of space. It's not really going deep into space.
I still would love to do it. I would still love to do it.
I want to see somebody get beyond the Van Allen belts.
Then let's see how big your dick is.
Okay?
Let's see you get past those belts, you two fucking douchebags.
Did you do hyperspace?
Yeah.
Send somebody through a Van Allen belt and get them back.
And then I'll say, yeah, you got a big dick.
We've been through it.
We can't take it over our heads.
Right now, I know what you're doing. You're just sending people up into the fucking safest part. And then I'll say, yeah, you got a big dick. We've been through it. We can't take it over our heads.
I know what you're doing.
You're just sending people up into the fucking safest part,
barely space, and then puffing your chest out and being like,
go look at me.
Look what I can do.
I think my dick is.
Yeah, but I want to see you get past those belts,
because nobody really got past those belts.
I haven't been back to the moon.
I see this as like one of those billionaires or billionaires goes out and like shoots an
elephant somewhere.
And it's like the elephant that they actually need to kill like for the rest of the herd
and they get like that prize shot of them like.
That happens so frequently.
It does.
It happens a lot.
Does it?
Yeah.
Billionaires killing elephants that need to be killed?
Yeah, like there's in the herd, there'll be like an elephant that's too old.
And so they pay the conservation place a lot of money, they go out and shoot it, and then
they end up using that money to reinvest in conservation efforts.
You're about 10 years out from being an elephant.
That's right.
You know any billionaires?
You still have that elephant in the room?
The world's most dangerous animal.
You have that elephant in the room standing on his chest with your foot with the gun in
there.
It's like, I did the herda favor.
CSD presents a canned hunt with Gidham.
Documentary.
Yeah, they were also criticizing the way, I guess, like, I don't know if it was AI.
It looked real to me.
But when their capsule finally hit the ground, which was weird because when you see the way
Musk's rocket picked those people up and then brought them back, it backs down, lowers down
until it gets to this stage where it clamps on.
Yeah.
Where these guys, these girls came down in one of those pods with a
fucking, uh, with a parachute.
Old school.
And I guess what happened was they were supposed to wait.
So Bezos, cause he had this special wrench.
Yeah.
And he was-
As if Bezos has ever used a fucking wrench in the last 30 years.
Right?
When does that motherfucker ever had to ever use a wrench when he has a thousand
people with wrenches, wrenches ready at the ready, but he's got to have the photo
up.
Can you possibly find it?
It's gold.
Please.
Did you see him fall?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I saw that.
Can I please put a caveat out there though?
All this, all this bashing.
Okay.
If the wind changes in between this drops between this drops and the tide changes and now they're for Katy
Perry and all this shit, just give us a week.
Don't bash us because next week we'll flip flop and make sure that we're back the other
way.
I couldn't believe it.
In this world we live in where it's all like, girl bosses, yeah.
Then a bunch of girls come up there, but then it's like, no, you're a bunch of rich bitches
that have privilege.
Because they are saying, like, they were saying like,
hey, you know what, this just goes to show, you know,
as a female, you can do it too.
It's like, yeah, if you're friends with fucking Jeff Bezos.
You remember when you were channeling up,
he was like, cheers.
That fall was almost as good as mine
in your backyard, Walt.
He's like, he's going around to the side,
to, and then he falls down.
That was Bezos who fell.
That was Bezos who fell.
Oh, fuck it.
And he had his special wrench that he was supposed to open the capsule with, but Katy
Perry opened it from the inside so you can see the door open a little bit and then close
again and then he uses a special wrench.
Yeah, it deserves every bit of fucking-
No, no, no, no, open up the door.
I'm supposed to do that.
... ridicule that it got on the internet.
That's when the internet was, yeah, we were wrong.
Totally wrong.
I hadn't done really a lot of investigating on it though before we talked about it.
I didn't see your wasting resources coming because I guess Katy Perry was a whole big
like climate change person two years ago
And now she's flying around in space with her buddies
Even if you just funneled that money that you've wasted on that trip into research for a disease
Mm-hmm, it would be money better spent. I think you might cure the disease depending on what it is
You might but even if you don't cure the disease, I still think it's money better spent than flying around
So I ride into space because that's what they were they they were – I mean at one point they said to Katie – one of
the reporters says to Katie Perry, she said, congratulations on being an astronaut.
She's like, thank you very much.
It's like you guys aren't astronauts.
The steps you have to go through to become an astronaut is a lot more than knowing Lauren
Sanchez.
Yeah.
I saw online somebody real snarky, snarkier than I am was like, oh, well,
if Katy Perry's an astronaut, then I'm a deep sea diver because I just stepped in a puddle.
Very snarky.
This was directed at you?
Not at me.
I saw it directed at her.
I didn't know if it was somebody who was into us.
I like this guy.
Directed at her.
I'm not that snarky.
I can't go online and be that fucking, I don't, yeah, I can't write jokes and.
So it's just a joyride.
Basically, it's just a joyride.
What do you think it does to the, like if it changes your skull, do you think it affects
other things in your body?
Well, I mean, look, the outfits you wear, it's nothing really special.
It's just a jumpsuit.
That's not what they wear when they go out.
Yeah, they're like form-fitting sexy jumpsuits.
It's like they're in special outfits when they go.
Right. Do you think it affects their time of the month and everything? Do you think they still
get their cycle? It's like floating around up there.
Do you think it does any of that shit?
For the amount of time that you're in space, why are they only in there for like a minute or two?
Right. Could you conceive in space, you think? Moonraker did it. Remember, he got busy in space.
Sure did.
How did he conceive?
Just like a moonraker. Top of 07. Can the British end up, sir?
Do you think you can though? Do you think it's possible?
Sure.
So what would you be when you got home?
Like what would the baby be though? I guess it has to be, it wouldn't matter, right? Where you
conceived it doesn't matter. It's where you're born where it matters.
I mean, it depends how long it...
You were stuck in space though for nine months.
How long it just stays in space, yeah.
That kid's coming out with one of them banana heads.
And what happens if it does? Like what nationality is it?
That's a good point.
Right? Is it the first space baby?
Wherever it lands.
Oh, that's good too. Wherever it lands. I would think it would have to be the first,
it would have no country of origin, which would be very unique.
Like how when some people are born, they're like, I'm genderless. They just have like an X on their birth certificate.
Yeah.
What are you born in space?
Man, I'm on Belz.
That's where I was born.
Yeah.
This looks like Charlie's angels, like the stunt women from Charlie's angels.
It doesn't look real to them sitting on those boxes either.
Like it looks photoshopped.
The same boxes you guys stood on in a comic book, man.
Yeah, right.
Those apple boxes.
Do you think you have to be a certain body type to go out in space because they all have the same
body type? They're all slim. Yeah, William Shiner. But I'm saying at least he was like kind of...
He's a little rotund, right? Yeah, but I say at least when he got back, he was just like amazed.
He was like, you know, he was like kind of... He was like blowing away.
Yeah, he was probably blowing away. He didn't was like blowing away. You know, I'll be appearing at the Pensacola fucking comic book convention.
I'll be at Star Trek Con.
There he is.
I'll be in a booth by Ming-Chen.
I think he's almost 90 or he might be older 90.
But he had to be in his, I think he's almost 90 or he might be older 90. But
he had to be in his 80s when he did this. Pretty impressive. I think Strahan did it
too. Didn't Strahan go up?
Michael Strahan.
Yeah.
Well, that was, he did that flight just before he met with Chuck, who gave us COVID. So that's
why I think we had space COVID.
Why and why are you on mic this episode?
Because last week you weren't on mic, you chose not to have a mic.
And now this episode you made sure you had a mic.
Maybe because he thinks it's on an all new Sunday Jeff show.
This is still TES Day.
Cut that shit off.
Making COVID jokes fucking four years later. Thank you,
get them. Talking about herds. The facts that people want to know.
Damn, I lost it. Oh no, here it is.
Speaking of Ming Chen, he has a new business. He also has, I want to wait till Q's here, he also has some new standup that we have
to go over.
Standup probably next week.
Yeah, he's done, he did standup in New Mexico and then he did it again in Alaska just recently
like within the past couple of days.
You have audio of it?
I have audio of the second one.
I'm still waiting to get on audio of the second one.
How long is this set?
I don't know.
Let me see.
It's better than Sunday Funnies?
No.
No, it's not.
Yeah.
If I had to guess, I'd say no, probably not.
That's funny just looking at them.
Come on.
How about you have a comic book man one of them?
Let's see here.
I got it somewhere.
Okay.
It is five minutes and 25 seconds.
So he did five minutes.
All right.
Yeah.
That's, that's, I would like to listen to that and, and break it down on an episode
of Tell Them Steve Day.
I'll give him props.
If it's funny, it's funny.
I don't care.
I'll admit it.
Absolutely.
So he has a new business. I'll give him props if it's funny. It's funny. I don't care. I'll admit it.
Absolutely.
So he has a new business.
If you want to promote your business, I guess if he's at a con, it's called 10 Minutes
with Ming.
And it's not what you think, Sunday Jeff.
He goes up in SpaceX and shows a card with all your information on it.
It's a unique opportunity to take the main stage with Ming Chen at Northern FanCon 2025.
Ten-minute recorded segment with Ming on the FanCon main stage.
Featured on Ming's channel, FanCon's channel,
and your own copy of the full episode, plus your individual segment to share wherever
you like.
Whether you're launching something new or just waiting to get out your story, this is
a high energy, high visibility moment you won't want to miss.
With video content getting more engagement and conversation conversion than ever, it's
the smart way to stand out. Spots are extremely limited. I'm curious to see how well he did.
Limited, huh?
I really doubt they're highly limited.
Limited to how many cards you know of.
Don't forget to mention that 10 Minutes with Ming is sponsored by Dan Gowan of Century 21 Energy
Realty.
Now, did he ask you to promote this?
No.
No? Okay.
No, I just happened to see it on his Instagram. He made me- Yeah, there he is you to promote this? No. No?
No, I just happened to see it on his Instagram.
Yeah, there he is.
He might make more 10 minutes the other way.
He might, yeah.
He probably would, yeah.
More than $125, I'm sure.
If he would just sacrifice his dignity and honor.
What's he holding, a bag of peanuts?
Yeah.
It must be a local snack to wherever he is.
It's like, who is this guy?
Why is he holding a bag of peanuts?
This guy used to be a Maverick.
That fucking award, that trophy should be fucking rescinded.
Huh?
Just like who is that?
Who is that in the eighties that, that deep throat, the miss America who got her,
her, uh, crown taken away.
Oh yeah.
Vanessa Williams.
Vanessa Williams.
Yeah.
Vanessa Williams, yeah.
Vanessa Williams Ming right now, or that fucking board who awarded him the Maverick has no
credibility in giving out trophies anymore.
So they should convene an emergency meeting and you're going to present the evidence to
them.
And it says at the opening, it's a picture of Ming eating some kind of snack with, I
guess, the 20th century first.
Don Gowen, yeah.
Don Gowen is behind him.
Get this legend.
Who's Don Gowen?
He's from Century 21 Energy Realty.
I think he might be in this with Ming somehow, like he's promoting him or something.
He's sponsoring it.
Oh yeah, there you go, sponsored by duh.
Get this legend to rep your business podcast or product for $125 at Northern Fan Con.
I guess he's going to see how it goes at Northern Fan Con and then from there he'll make his
decision as to whether he can do this.
It was either this guy or that sleazy lawyer that's on every bus stop bench.
Right, yeah.
I still don't understand the snack pack in the photo though.
I don't get it either.
It was the only photo Ming had available.
I think Don's getting $125 and Ming's just getting the snack pack.
Ming's getting the snacks.
Old Don just hoodwinked fucking Ming.
I'll pay you in snacks.
Yeah, I think.
Who is this again?
Who is this guy holding this bag of peanuts or whatever?
Is it peanuts?
What is it?
A cheese fries it says.
The bag is as big as he.
No, Cheezys. Cheezys? A cheese fries it says. The bag's as big as he. No, Cheez-E's. Cheez-E's?
Hawkins Cheez-E's.
Dude, you're not kidding. The bag goes from his waist up to above his face.
You know that's going to be like you go to his studio, he's going to have a whole fucking
corner full of those bags there.
Is this the product of, you know, it took a while, but is this the fallout of the breakup
of I saw comics and shared universe?
He's reduced to this?
How long has comic book man been with you?
Oh, a long time.
Who is this guy?
This is concerning. This is not concerning like Bill Belichick concerning, but it's still concerning.
This guy's got his eyes like, Dad, who is this guy? He's a celebrity.
He was on a TV show.
Wait, is there a logo with Ming in there?
Oh, no, that's the FanCon logo, right?
The two men.
I thought that was one of those was Ming.
Yes, let's say it is.
We got to get Dan Gowan on the line.
Can you call Dan Gowan?
I only call Dan Gowan right now while we're podcasting.
You got an ad you could now while we're podcasting.
You got an ad you could do while we're calling Dan?
Yeah, sure.
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And that is it. Wow.
It went straight to voicemail.
Oh no, really? Ming Ming, was Ming the voicemail? Hi, this is Ming. I'll do this for another $125.
Oh, you reached down gallon.
Another $125.
I'll do the answering machine still.
Have you seen that story that blew up on the internet this week?
What story is that?
Well, it's kind of the hypothetical question.
The 100 Gorillas?
Yeah.
Dude, it's everywhere.
I wrote it down.
I was like, I promise we won't talk about 100 Gorillas versus one guy. It sounds like something that would have come up though and tell them, see, for like years
ago. Have you heard about this? The internet by storm, somebody just pondered, could one
silverback gorilla take on 100 men and win? No weapons? Just regular?
Yeah, just hand to hand combat. Oh, fuck them up.
Who? The gorilla. 100 men. Well, it-to-hand combat. No, fuck them up. Who?
The gorilla.
A hundred men.
Well, it depends on who the hundred men are, I say.
I mean, if you try to storm the gorilla and try to just get on top of him.
That's really the only way you could do it.
But by the time he's going to rip you apart, man.
He's got jaws too, though.
No, but I'm just saying, do you know how strong a fucking gorilla is?
I know, but-
Yeah, they could lift like a ton or something.
You could crush your head like a fucking coconut. 4,000 pounds.
4,000 pounds it is?
Yeah. But if you had-
4,000 pounds. So how many, say, each-
You lift a car up.
Right, exactly.
Wait a minute though. You haven't heard of my 100 men yet. Ian McGregor.
Oh, but now you're picking-
Ken Shamrock.
What decade is this?
Andre the Giant.
Who's dead?
Hulk Hogan.
Who's 71? Hulk Hogan.
Who's 71?
Bob Backlund.
Anybody who was a champion in WWF, like anybody who ever held the belt once.
I think they did this in King Kong.
There was a guy who just pops the band off his arm and was like, what a man, and then
he gets destroyed.
He's just toying with him. Steve Austin, not the Bionic Man, but the wrestler.
But if you just took all the greatest MMA fighters, don't you think you would have
a pretty good shot at winning it?
Honestly, I don't think there's anybody crazy enough to even do it.
No, of course not.
But that's why.
Right off the bat, that tells you your answer.
Well, if it was done, it had to be done.
It just had to be done.
Just for whatever reason, just-
Aliens come down and this decides the fate of the earth.
Just for whatever reason, you have to give up and say it's happening.
What are you going to do to the gorilla though?
I'm saying like what would you do to the gorilla?
I think 100 people is a lot of people.
You would have to somehow, like I said, if you're able to get him down or whatever, and
then you're going to...
Who's going to get the arm around him to choke him or...
Have you ever been to the zoo?
They will lose about 40 to 50 men, I think, in the process.
But I do think that 100 men, just a sheer number of men,
could probably suffocate him and hold him down with that many guys.
Well, he's got to do that. Right off the bat.
That's the turn enough to not be like,
-"I'm out, bro. I'm tapping out right now." -"Perellis Force is one of the strongest bikes."
Yeah.
Why are you trying to get him? He's got half your arm in his mouth.
But also the problem is for the men is you have to get close enough to him in massive
numbers to the pile on has to be immense.
You have to have like 60 guys on just a big fucking massive humanity.
See, I think what you got to do though, no, Sunday, you're up front.
I'll tell you why.
Because they're going to take all, like they're going to take like 20 people, 30 people who
can't really fight that well.
They're not like your shamrocks and Andre the Giants.
If they're MMA fighters, they can fight.
They're going to put them up.
Okay.
Even if you put your weakest MMA fighters up, they're not going to do as well.
What's that?
There are no weak MMA fighters.
Well, I mean, compared to like the shamrocks and the other guys, you know, like the true
champions.
Like Leland from Dog.
You're going to want to put your weakest guys up front so that you'll get some collateral
damage.
You're going to get some guys killed, but they can at least jump on the gorilla and
try to pin them to the ground with their sheer weight, you know?
You got Mike Tyson?
Do you have any...
You got fucking Mike Tyson?
Do you think a punch from any person on earth is going to do anything?
He's just going to be like, what are you doing?
It's going to be just like, what are you doing?
No, I don't get stuck.
Yeah, exactly.
It's going to be like, he's going to...
Have you ever been to the zoo?
Have you ever seen a gorilla?
Yeah, of course.
I've been to more zoos than you've been to.
Okay, well, then you should know better.
Their head is...
Have you...
The question is, have you been to more zoos than I have?
It doesn't matter.
I mean, zoos, I've seen a gorilla.
It doesn't matter.
If you're bringing it up, it matters.
I've seen a gorilla and I've seen the size of the freaking head of a gorilla.
I've seen a gorilla too and I've also seen Ken Shamrock.
And if you have a hundred of him, like men like him, Tyson, Hulk Hogan.
You're talking not now.
Jimmy the superfly snooker.
Gorilla monsoon.
I'm telling you, you get the biggest and baddest fucking boys that are available.
Like in the, let's say in this imaginary scenario, they're all alive and in their prime. I still think a hundred is
a lot of people. It can only bite one person at a time.
That's true.
It is true.
It doesn't mean he's going to be biting.
Like the first guy...
You got to catch him first.
You have to be insane to be one of the first to go in and be like, let's get them guys.
All he's got to do is just start grabbing them.
I think it's-
As soon as he rips one person's head off,
the other ones aren't even gonna try to attack him.
Right, like something's arm goes flying by.
It has to be done.
And I also wonder, like,
would they make them fight nude?
Oh, so you're gonna grab their clothes?
Like the gorilla, because that would be a big disadvantage.
I know you're supposed to have no weapon, you're supposed to grab their clothes? Like the gorilla, because that would be a big disadvantage. I know you're supposed to have no weapons, supposed to be just like the gorilla, but
you know a gorilla goes for the fucking genitals all the time.
Rips them right off.
So I mean, I would at least let the men fight clothed.
Look how fast that sucker's going.
There's no way.
You're talking about, you don't realize how many bodies, a hundred bodies is though, to
get through.
You said 4,000 pounds.
Take a left.
How many people? So even if those people weigh a hundred people and they're 200 pounds a
piece, that's 2,000 pounds.
Evandra Holyfield got his ear bit off. He still beat fucking Tyson's ass.
He wasn't a gorilla. It doesn't matter.
You can – somebody is going to die, but with that amount of humanity, all with a singular
purpose of just subduing this creature, the man has always bested beast.
Because of smarts. Right.
Because of, of doing, you know, creating weapons that can protect them.
Well, that's, you know, that's the thing.
That's the kicker, isn't it?
But with that much, like how many pounds do you think a hundred dudes of that
caliber weigh if each person weighs 250 at least?
Yeah.
So you're talking 2,500.
Some weight 300.
Right. He just said it could lift 4,000 pounds.
Oh wait, that would be 10, so it would be 25,000.
Yeah. That is a massive amount of weight that this girl will have to get off of it. I'm
not saying that it's going to be pretty. It's going to be fucking ugly. It's going to be brutal. It's going to be grisly.
It's going to be, it's NC-17 content for sure.
You think?
But I still put my money on man.
I don't know.
That many?
We're watching a goose chase a gorilla away.
He's been sissified.
Yeah.
And it's a silverback, they said too.
But let's say it's an average silverback.
It's not the biggest silverback.
It's like midlife, not fully grown.
It's not an old silverback, but it's also not one of the-
It's not in its prime?
Yeah, it's not the big dog of the silver.
I don't know.
It's not the alpha.
Is there a pole?
What's the verdict?
I think most people think the gorilla is going to win.
The gorilla is going to win, yeah.
It's pretty… I mean, a hundred people though is a lot though.
Yeah, it is.
But you're right. There would be a lot. I mean, for that to happen, there'd have to be a lot of
sacrifices. And then what do you do though?
What's your move?
Like what's your move? Like what do you do to try to…
I think you got to cut oxygen to the brain.
I'm saying most people probably not going to be able to get their hands around his neck.
Go after his balls first.
Why not? Why not? You don't think that Andre the Giant could get his arm around that?
Look what he just did to that poor thing.
That's what he'd be doing to us.
But don't you think Andre the Giant could get his massive arms around that neck and squeeze?
Andre the Giant's pretty big.
You got to make sure you, like Andre's got to go last to get his, this is like taking
on Thanos.
So he's the, that's your Trojan horse?
Andre's got to be number 100.
So when 99 are able to wrestle that gorilla down, he's got to get his arm around the gorilla.
We can only hold them for so long, go get them.
And squeeze until that gorilla can't breathe. And't breathe and subdue it into unconsciousness.
Take a lot.
Peter might have a problem with this.
Just to prove a point.
It's for the herd.
But I think you discount, ugly, if you just throw in just average joes,
that gorilla is not even going to take five minutes
to take on 100 average joes.
But if you throw our biggest and baddest asses at the gorilla, I think our baddest asses
would win.
Still mad, I don't know.
Brains, they would have a little bit of strategy.
Like a punch from one of those guys.
Gorillas don't punch though.
I don't know, they just look like they're punching each other.
Just one swat from that, it's got to be just like, your head's going to come off your body.
Yeah, I guess.
God forbid he gets ahold of you.
Yeah, it's over.
You know, that's when I-
Like I said, there's going to be mass casualties, but he can't beat all of them.
That's just numbers.
It's just, it just, look, if army ants can take down a gorilla, you know they can, right?
They have guns.
No, I'm talking about insects. That's why gorilla runs from a fucking swarm of ants.
Every animal runs because the sheer numbers, they can't beat those little ants.
The sheer numbers of human beings,
works just like those ants.
Pete Slauson I never heard of ants running away from, or…
Jared Slauson You've never seen that.
Pete Slauson Gorillas.
Jared Slauson Yeah, am I right?
Pete Slauson Fire ants maybe.
Jared Slauson Sorry, microphone's not working.
Pete Slauson Right, you know that like any creature is going to fall…
Pete Slauson You said ants. You said any creature.
Jared Slauson Any creature, yeah. Even an elephant
with enough ants covering it is going to fall down and die.
Well, it's because they're being envenomated.
Yeah.
But that's technically a weapon.
Yeah, they're being poisoned.
They're being bit.
But by the tiniest creatures on the planet though.
Could you bite the gorilla?
Sheer numbers is why.
Yeah, you could use your teeth.
You can use your teeth.
I'm not sure you get to that fur
You know, I'd like to think though that think man would do man comes victorious man would triumph in the sheer face.
I mean look, it's a bloodbath.
No Tom Brady career.
Tom Brady's not a fighter.
He's an athlete.
Okay, if I'm going to pick any football player, Ray Lewis.
He's got a fucking machete.
Brian Erlacher.
All linebackers.
Lawrence Taylor.
LT. Laker all linebackers Lawrence Taylor LT come on he broke Joe Theismann's leg like it was a fucking dry twig to a theismann a no gorilla
Gorilla's bones, you know like more like an oak tree like that bill Belichick's the coach. All right boys
No fictional characters, no actors. No actors like Sly Stallone.
Okay, yeah, he looks the part, but he's not really a fighter though.
It has to be real deal fighters.
Chuck Norris.
Chuck Norris, yes.
Bruce Lee, I would take him as one of my 100. Who else can you think of that like was a devastating
fighter?
Mr. T.
No, that's an actor.
He was a bodyguard.
Yeah, bodyguard. Yeah, it's not a fighter, a bodyguard.
Clubber Lang.
Again, no Hollywood characters Sunday.
Rocky was not a documentary.
Treat this with the fucking dignity it deserves.
Well, you're talking about wrestlers.
Those wrestlers are... You're talking about MMA guys?
Careful.
Don't you call wrestling fake now?
Real money, damn it.
You're saying like people that are trained to fight.
Okay, I'd get somebody who's in special forces, Navy Seal.
Jack Reacher. But they all... Hollywood character, 148. Okay, I get it like somebody who's in special forces, Navy Seal, Jack Reacher.
But they all, Hollywood character, 148.
Okay.
But those Navy Seals are trained with guns, knives.
Hand-to-hand combat.
Yes, there are some hand-to-hand combat, but I don't know if they have the physique that's
needed though.
You need big, strong, thick
men.
Then you want a sumo wrestler.
I would take a sumo wrestler.
Yeah, you could probably get a bunch of sumo wrestlers. It would be way harder to knock
them down.
That might be a different story. You got a hundred sumo wrestlers?
Now you're coming around, right?
Well, you're talking about a lot of beef at the table, bro.
Just look how big his ass is, that gorilla. It's crazy.
It's so fast they moved though. It's crazy for such a big creature. They're so agile.
Yeah.
It's crazy.
I still think you just, a hundred people is a staggering amount of people.
You got to distract them. You get one of those big...
I think he's going to be distracted when he's fucking sinking his big teeth into someone's
head.
Yeah, when people are charging at him.
Yeah, I think that's enough distraction.
Yeah, so he stands on his back legs and starts beating his chest and stuff.
Like King Kong?
Yeah, I think a lot of those, they'll be running the other way.
I'm out, bro.
I'm not even going to tempt it.
No, I think they're committed.
Everyone's 100% committed to the…
What does the battlefield look like?
Just a grass field. It's like a football field.
A football field.
Okay. There's a lot of space. A lot of space for that gorilla to move around.
There's goal posts there too. He can start swinging and shit.
His arms literally look like trees.
It's crazy.
It's unbelievable how strong they are.
Yeah, they are stronger, yes, but the sheer numbers.
Can't make it a chip.
The weight alone.
Even if you can get that down.
Even if you can get that down.
Or strong as hell.
Yeah.
If you can get it down though, and get a whole bunch of people on top of it.
Just smother them.
Can you get them down?
That's the thing.
Yeah, that's the trick.
That's the rub in the whole thing. Can it be taken down? It's like dog pile them and try to see Can you get them down? That's the thing. Yeah, that's the trick. That's the rub in the whole thing.
Can it be taken down?
Dogpile them and try to see if you get it.
Like, oh, gah, oh, gah.
I don't know.
I ain't trying to.
Speaking of-
You wouldn't even be fucking in the top fucking billion of-
Give them the rope and go.
More like the jopa joke.
We're not going for fucking-
Maybe they don't- Auto workers are not going for fucking –
Maybe they don't –
… autoworkers are not going to be drafted into this.
Maybe they don't hit the handicaps.
Podcasters and autoworkers are not going to be fucking drafted.
I feel like this.
You want to hear some Sunday funnest?
Maybe we all – you know, rope-a-dope them a little bit and then everybody can get on
it.
Could you find – I think you could probably find a hundred people crazy enough to be like,
I'll try it.
I'll do it.
No, I think it has to be –
Like jackass type guys?
The fate of the planet has to be – it's like do or die and it has to be big time consequences
for not giving it your all.
Look, people have – throughout history though, men have walked into fucking situations where
they knew they weren't going to live and wars and shit.
So it's not beyond the realm of possibility that you could convince
like do or die situation.
Yeah.
I think there's guys who would be like, yeah, I'm fucking ready to die for my
planet or whatever needs to be done here.
What about that guy Butterbean? He punches pretty hard.
Butterbean.
He's old.
Big dude.
Big dude.
Even in his prime though, I think he's just a fucking giant target.
I don't think he's quick enough to-
The Rock.
Yeah, The Rock.
There you go.
I forgot about The Rock.
He's an actor though.
Jesus.
I said no actors. He thought he was a wrestler first. I know, I know. But The Rock. He's an actor though. Jesus. I said no actors.
He thought he was a wrestler first.
I know, I know. But he's more known for his acting though. I think at this point, I think
Hollywood got to him. I don't know if he's capable anymore of bringing what it needs
to be done.
Most of those wrestlers went on to have acting careers.
Like I said though, we only take champions though from the WWF.
Bruno Semantini, remember him from the 50s?
Anytime you bring him up, I always think of us at Wildwood and his picture on that pizzeria
wall.
Black and white photo.
Iron Sheik.
The Iron Sheik.
Macho man.
Why did you just get rid of him with Rick Flair?
Look at him over there.
Oh, there you go. 100 WWE superstarslair. Woo! Look at him over there.
Oh, there you go.
100 WWE superstars versus one gorilla and they have all the people.
Oh yeah, we didn't consider women in this.
Yeah, Rhea Ripley, yeah?
Sugar Ray Leonard.
Boxers, yeah.
But he's a lightweight though.
You want heavyweights.
Larry Holmes.
Larry Holmes.
George Foreman.
Rest in peace. George Foremanweights. I'm a Larry Holmes. Larry Holmes.
George Foreman. Rest in peace.
George Foreman.
Yep. Tyson, Vander Holyfield.
Kareem, didn't Kareem Abdul-Jabbar train with Bruce Lee?
He did.
He's got the reach, if you can keep him.
He did, you're right.
Just a couple, you know.
But his arms are like twigs.
It's like the Wicker Man coming towards you.
And you didn't want to talk about it, probably, because you felt like it had been played out
already?
Yeah, by the time I heard about it, I was like, wow, this is overdone.
Everybody on YouTube was talking about it.
Everybody on Reddit was talking about it.
Oh, so what?
Yeah.
No direct answers?
Nobody-
I agree now. I agree now.
I agree now.
I just think that people want to hear more gorilla talk, but Sunday Jeff enlightened
me.
Yeah.
I agree with Sunday though.
It's going to be a tall feat.
It's going to be a task.
It's going to be a tall feat and there's going to be a lot of funerals.
It's going to be a mass grave.
It's going to be a mass grave.
But I think though that-
Steel cage match.
At the end of the day though, that's just too many people to overcome.
See, I think it's steel cage and the gorilla has the advantage because he can climb and
just hang off the top and just fucking bash people's heads and-
Thunderdome.
Swing somebody else into somebody else.
That's the problem is like one punch to the gorilla is going to mean nothing from his
human problem.
Exactly. You would have to, that's what I said. One punch from the gorilla though,
or one swipe is going to like knock you right across the cage.
Break a leg, break an arm, you're down. Knock you out.
Yep. And then again, it's not even assuming that he can make a weapon out of, he'll rip
someone's arm off and just start beating other people with it.
Beat you with your own foot. I mean, I think, I think they could rip an arm off.
You know, this is going to be a movie.
A hundred guys versus a hundred guys versus a gorilla.
Yeah.
Be a good video game.
It's going to be like a cheap to direct video.
Right.
Like cocaine gorilla, gorilla gets a hold of cocaine, so they send
a hundred people after it to retrieve it.
Oh, what was that movie that took place in a building?
Oh, that one?
No, I think there's a lot of movies take place in that.
That one.
No, it was like, it was a famous movie.
It was like different floors that the guy had to fight through.
A guy had to fight through.
Oh, um, Asian movie, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Fuck, what was the name of that?
I forgot.
So I'm saying the girl was in a building and they, they send the, you can't get
out and they send the 100 people in after.
Is that John McClain in?
Yeah.
Okay. Arnold. Oh, would Arnold be somebody who would make your cut?
An actor.
Prime Arnold?
But he was an actor. He was bodybuilder. He wasn't a fighter.
Prime Lou?
Yeah, but most people know...
Lou Ferrigno?
A lot of people know him as an actor now.
Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. But Arnold's big though. He was massive.
He was.
Not so much anymore. He was. He was. That's all I'm saying. He is prime. I would think he'd be better shown off. He was massive. He was.
Not so much anymore. He was. I'm talking about his prime. I would think it'd be better
showing him now. Like now you have all these two people fighting the gorilla now.
I want to ask you, I rarely bring up sports because I'm not educated that much, but I am
interested in this Bill Belichick stuff. What is going on?
Concerning. Now look, as a man with a much younger wife, But I am interested in this Bill Belichick stuff. What is going on?
It's concerning.
Now look, as a man with a much younger wife, I know people look at me and are like, what
the fuck?
Sometimes, you know, like when I'm out in public, people have to be like, I thought
that was her dad or whatever.
This is insane.
Why?
Because he's not only is she so much younger, like even younger than him, I mean, younger
than me and Marybeth, but the way she's – I mean,
look at that bitch face she's got going on. She's very involved in this relationship.
And I saw that she now owns $6 million worth of real estate despite having nothing before.
Yeah, well –
She's doing a lot of talking for him, it seems like.
Before this interview even happened, though, I was telling Rupp one day, I was like,
I saw this video of Belichick and it's taken from the stands at North Carolina State.
And it's like, uh, it's not a practice, but it's some sort of on the field activity
that's going on with the players and she is leading him around and he's got the
shuffle going on and I go, I wonder if he's got the shuffle going on.
And I go, I wonder if he's in the early stages of some sort of dementia, you
know, very, very early stages, you know, because he just had that kind of walk
going on and she was the one on the field, which is super unusual that just
like his girlfriend would be on the field when this is a man who commanded the
field with the utmost respect of both his players and the rest of the league.
Like now it has his girlfriend, um, kind of helping him to various places
that he needs to get to on the field.
Right.
And this was before the interview.
Now, after this interview, it blew up.
Right.
You know, and I, cause I remember telling Rupp, I was like, I think, yeah,
there might be something going on early signs.
I said, and you can't hide that shit when you're.
But he's coaching a team though.
Yeah.
As I said, you can't hide that.
Like when the season starts and you have to meet with everybody before the press,
before the game, before the
game and after the game, you're not going to be able to hide that.
It's going to come out.
So I wonder what they're going to do.
And now with this interview here, I mean, it came out literally a day later.
Now people are concerned that like he's something's going on.
Something's going on.
How old is he?
73.
Oh, he's that old, huh?
Yeah.
I didn't think he was that old.
And I know he's been known to wear the ratty clothes.
What the fuck?
I thought that too.
Like he cuts his sleeves and that's kind of been his look.
He goes for the bedrock look.
But that's, and even Rob said to me, I said, don't you think it's weird that he is dressed
in this?
Now I understand that's been his kind of like his-
Character. His vibe is like, you know, I'm not a fancy – I'm a no-nonsense kind of – like nuts and bolts
kind of dude. I don't dress up and everything. That's not what I do. But that's on the sideline.
This is an interview. I don't understand why you would show up with a moth-eaten sweatshirt.
Yeah, I didn't understand it either.
Makes no sense. Yeah, that's what he would do on the sideline.
Yeah, that's regular understand it either. Makes no sense. Yeah, that's what he would do on the sidelines. Yeah, he just cut them. That's regular, because it's not red.
That looks appropriate.
Yeah, but when you're in a CBS morning news interview, I don't know why you can't wear
– at least wear the sweatshirt that doesn't have a hole in it.
Crawl down the dumpster.
Right.
Because it looks – right off the bat, it's like, well, is this a fashion move or is this
a move of somebody who doesn't care?
Like, you're like, shut up. I forgot't like my clothes or like it doesn't even realize
There's a hole in it and the fact that she would like shut down questions from the reporter
Dude when she's when she was like, we're not gonna talk about that from like off-camera
Yeah
I was just like if we were doing a podcast something that I could edit out and Marybeth interjected in the middle like that
I would be like, are you out of your fucking mind?
What are you doing? No, I can handle it.
I don't need you, 24-year-old.
This is a man who has handled his business for 70 plus years, winning multiple championships,
conducting millions of interviews.
Now all of a sudden his girlfriend is dictating what he will and won't answer.
What he will and won't talk about. Yeah, and he's trying to pimp a book.
Is he?
Yeah. Did you watch the interview?
I watched some of the interview and right off the bat, the first question that makes you go,
maybe something's not right is he asks about being fired from the Patriots and Kraft firing him.
He goes, no, I didn't get fired.
It was a mutual parting of the ways.
Then he goes, well, Kraft said he fired you.
Then he just stares at him and helplessly Belichick just stares at the reporters like,
no, it was a mutual parting.
Very passive, I noticed that too.
Yeah, but no like-
There wasn't like no like, he said that.
Like flat, the response is so strange and he even has the weird curvature of the lips
going where he's smiling inappropriately, smirking inappropriately at things that you're like,
there's no reason to smile at this. So yeah, but there's a rumor is that she comes
from a world of high end escorting.
Really?
That's the rumor on the internet.
Oh, hung around with craft.
I'm not starting that.
Well, she was a cheerleader for a while, right?
Was that the whole thing?
She was a cheerleader.
Maybe in high school.
Oh, I thought she was a cheerleader for a different team.
Why is she a cheerleader for a different team?
That's what it says here. Oh, I thought she was a cheerleader for a different team. Why didn't she a cheerleader
for a different team?
That's what it says here.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
And she cheated on her husband with Belichick or whatever.
Really?
With a 72-year-old?
Yeah, that would be rough, right?
He looks pretty good over 73. Physically, he looks pretty good. He doesn't look like your average 73-year-old guy, I don't think.
She's definitely got the cheerleader legs.
Place him deflatable.
I thought she had no pants on at first when I saw the interview.
But it's going to be interesting because you can't hide when you're deteriorating.
Oh, I know.
You cannot, especially when you've got a room full of reporters who are like,
well, why did you do this?
We're looking for it.
Yeah. Well, what went into this decision making? If you say the wrong thing or you start going off
on a tangent and it doesn't make any sense.
Right. You're done.
You're done.
Let's see when the season starts, how that coaching goes.
I don't know what North Carolina is. Is that a division one or a division two school?
I don't know if he's playing the best schools or he's playing, uh, you know, in
a, was that his choice or did anybody from the NFL did not offer him a job.
Yes.
I didn't follow up.
I don't think they are offering him a job.
I think the dating of the 24 year old offered him to Atlanta gave him a, an
interview, but didn't hire him.
That weird.
Uh, so then maybe they do know something.
I mean, it's just weird.
Why would you not take one of the winningest coaches?
Even at that age.
The baggage that comes with it now with this girlfriend.
It's a, it's a, it's a side show.
Was she with him during this whole time?
She, she's been around now for a couple of months, right?
I'm saying at the end of the, like before all this, before he was,
when he was still coach of the Patriots. Yeah. I don't think she was in the picture. So I'm saying during that off season,, right? No, I'm saying at the end of the, like before all this, before he was, Oh, no, when he got fired?
When he was still coach of the Patriots, yeah.
Yeah, I don't think she was in the picture.
So, but I'm saying during that off season, nobody from the NFL, I can't believe nobody
would have offered him some kind of contract.
At least a one year contract to your contract?
They say the game is passed to buy.
I don't know if that's the case.
I would, if I was an owner, I would definitely want him.
Right.
I mean, he's fucking done everything and more than the guy you're hiring.
The only thing that would be a problem would be the age.
It says they met in 2023.
How old was Mark Levy?
He was old.
Mark Levy?
Yeah, he was old for the bills.
For the bills, yeah, he was an older dude.
Most NFL coaches now are much younger.
They go in a much younger man now to lead.
Going in a different direction.
Yeah. Well, they feel that they can identify more with the younger players. I mean, Belichick.
Who's better than Belichick? He's fucking dating someone younger than his players.
He's got to know what they're interested in.
It's my Twitter handle.
Now, does this tarnish his legacy?
Sure.
Is he one crazy girlfriend story away from people remembering him?
For the crazy girlfriend?
For the crazy girlfriend rather than the seven Super Bowls.
That's what could happen here.
Like if something really fucked up comes out.
And she sets a house on fire. Yeah. Like people are going to be like not going to remember him for all the rings, going to the seven Super Bowls. That's what could happen here. If something really fucked up comes out.
And she sets a house on fire.
Yeah. People are going to be not going to remember him for all the rings, you're going
to remember him for all the fucking craziness that he was involved in towards.
Maybe he's not getting the job offers because they're like, look, if this is his decision
making process, it's off. It's off. We can't trust him to make good decisions on the field.
Yeah. The truth be told is, I know nobody wants to hear it, but if he wants to bang
20 something year olds, he could do it. Just don't date them.
Yeah. You don't have to date them.
And don't put them on your arm and let everybody know that you're doing it.
Don't do cheesy fucking Instagram pictures with them being horny.
Oh, you could do that.
Yeah.
But I like it because now it's affecting everybody's perception of you and it's-
Now whose idea do you think that photo was?
Well, man, but I'm saying maybe you can go a little bit deeper.
Maybe this is one of the reasons why Brady left too.
Could be some of these issues too.
He asked me to dress up like a mermaid.
No, I'm just saying.
Stuff that you know, I mean, you see what's on TV,
you see stuff on the field.
You don't know what goes off the field.
You don't know what, you know what I'm saying?
You have no idea what's going on.
And he maybe thought, but like, this is it for me. I got to, I got to move on.
He came in with a ratty sweatshirt.
And they're not going to tell you that. He's, you know, he's, he's doing crazy play call
and he's taking 20 year olds.
He hired a defensive coordinator to be his offense coordinator. How fucked up is that?
That should have been the first signal that something was really off.
Well, the best defense is a good offense.
Right. But he hired.
He's a visionary.
He sees something different.
I can't remember the guy's name.
He's got a beard.
He puts a pencil.
He was a coach at the Lions.
He was terrible, but he was a defensive coordinator for Belichick for years.
And he hires him and says, you're going to be my offense coordinator.
And he's terrible at it and fucks up Mac Jones' career basically
because he has a fucking defensive coordinator calling the plays for offense.
I can't remember what the dude's name is.
God Almighty.
Charlie Weiss, Josh McDaniels, Freddie Kitchens.
No, he's coach of the Lions, defensive coordinator for the Patriots.
I can't remember what his name is.
He's a terrible, he was a fiasco in Detroit though.
I don't know, man.
It looks like things going south real quick over there.
Poor Billichuk.
Matt Patricia.
Didn't even have to look it up.
Just took me fucking faster than your fucking Google. And I can't see.
I can't even see.
Actually, I didn't Google.
I just remembered the name.
I didn't Google it.
I remember the name.
It took me a while.
I can see his face.
I can see that stupid pencil behind his ear.
Let's not worry about you.
I don't remember it.
You're going to start dating 20-year-olds?
If that's a panacea.
This is the last story I had and it's another weird, sexy story about – let me see if
I can just pull it up here.
Or if it's going to give me a hard time like it fucking always does.
All right, there we go.
Florida woman Sunday, Jeff.
Florida nurse caught by her husband having sex with her 15-year-old stepson.
Now, this is usually teachers, right?
Usually teachers that –
Nurses are exempt, I guess.
That you have problems with the students and stuff.
The reason that this story stuck out really for me was – so it's – Florida nurse
was allegedly having – was allegedly caught by her husband having sex with his 15-year-old
stepson, her 15-year year old stepson, his son.
And the reason that she gave was because he reminded me of what you looked like when you
were younger.
Who the fuck wants to hear that?
Like no reason is better than that reason.
That's caught on the fly.
You're like, how am I not, how am I not?
You're just searching.
Yeah.
Something I can say that goes. She starts calling his name out like, how am I not? How am I not? You're just searching. You're just...
Something I can say that...
She starts calling his name out.
Oh, I thought it was you.
Well, I think you're right because it does sort of be like, well, I was thinking of you
while I was doing this other thing that I shouldn't have been doing with your stepson.
She's not a bad looking lady again.
Totally normal looking lady.
Yeah.
What's the son look like?
Is she going to jail now?
They didn't show.
I don't know.
She's going to be charged.
She should be charged with some sort of crime, I would think.
What's the rules in Florida?
The dad came home.
The unsuspecting father and husband came home from his blue collar job to discover – they
have to throw that in there too so you know it's even worse, not even out of the job
you like – discover his wife and son on the couch completely naked. The 15-year-old
ran out of the house but allegedly heard Yates claim that – that's the lady – the child
victim looked like his father when he was younger. The father then drove his son to
his grandparents' house telling the boy he ruined his life while drinking beer on
the way over.
Now how do you reconcile with your son though?
Oh boy.
It's a tough one.
How do you navigate thanksgivings and Christmases in the future now?
How do you do that?
You were technically there first, so it's a dominance thing I would think.
There you go.
She's charged with a felony, lewd or lascivious battery with a victim age 12 to 16.
She pleaded not guilty.
But that kind of betrayal –
Really?
Not guilty?
It's tough to –
That's worse than like seeing your best friend or something.
I would think so.
Like blood.
I would think so.
Right?
And young too.
So it's like, wait a second.
So it's not even with an older guy that's your age roughly.
It's with – not only is it with a kid, but it's with my kid.
It's like – it's fucked up on a couple of different levels.
Oh, yeah.
So the father was a linesman.
A Lions fan?
Lionsman.
Oh, the Wichita lineman?
Well, he's a lineman for the county.
He's sadder than that guy.
And according to the teen, Von Yates' arousal stemmed from not having sex in two weeks and
she was on her period.
That's what the teen victim told cops.
Oh, boy.
They were watching the movie, The Terrifier.
I had to do it. That's always in the mood movie.
Well, how do you –
The Terrifier, yeah, people get ripped apart.
How do you make it up to your dad, if you're that kid?
Take yourself back to when you were 15.
What do you say? Do you give him a gift? Do you give him a watch? Do you give him
something he's always wanted? What do you do? When you were 15. What do you say? Do you get him a gift? Do you get him a watch?
Do you get him something he's always wanted?
What do you do?
Do you give him?
Is this Sharon Addie?
I don't think Hallmark makes a card for that.
That is a toughie.
Maybe have like a body.
Do you think you could mend the bridge?
Do you think build the bridge back?
Do you think you can get back to where you guys were after that kind of?
I think time heals all wounds.
You do?
I think you both take a stance of, you know, can get back to where you guys were after that kind of...
I think time heals all wounds.
You do?
I think you both take a stance of a mutual...
Blame it on her.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, right?
So you got to poison the well big time on her.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What's the first thing you say?
I don't know why you fucking married that bitch.
Well, you got to play the victim for sure. You got to really be like, you know,
She drugged me.
Yeah, I didn't want to, but she kept, well, they'd say that she was doing this stuff,
like she was putting whipped cream on her tongue and sticking it out at him and being playful and
flirty. Yeah. So I don't know. I don't know where you go from there.
I tried to tell her no. She just wouldn't stop.
You're weak. You're weak at that stage.
And it's a step mom.
It's true.
Well, she looks like she's in a...
She doesn't look too happy there.
Her mugshot doesn't look the same as in her picture with the makeup.
No.
She's got a football player neck too.
Yeah, she does have a wide neck, doesn't she?
Maybe I might enlist her on my team that's going to take down the gorilla.
So have sex with the gorilla.
Any other guys can jump on them.
Entice the gorilla.
Can we do a Puck Nuts a little segment before we sign off?
Oh, do we?
Yeah, I guess we could.
We got to talk about the Devils.
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The Devils getting ousted.
The season ended this week.
I knew that.
I knew that.
Yeah.
I did not think they were going to go farther.
Tell me if this is weird.
I hate Carolina.
I can't stand Carolina.
Yeah, Carolina has been a fucking thorn in the Devil's side.
We were at one of the worst possible games in their history.
It's tough to watch.
Carolina has the Devil's number, but tell me if this is weird.
So every year when the devil's get eliminated, whether it be they all make the playoffs or they get eliminated in the playoffs, almost a sadomasochistic,
is that the right word?
Mm-hmm.
Move is I will watch the entire post game and they're usually a lot longer
because it's a wrap up and they're saying goodbye and I'll get emotional
Really? No, not for the team
But for that like they they make you they kind of convince you that like, you know, they're like, thank you for spending time
And he just jumped on the table and was like, what's going on up here? You're talking about devils?
Hey, now you got my interest.
Instead of guerrillas and shit.
But don't be upset, daddy.
It gets me like in the heart where they're like, when they're like, and they're saying
their goodbyes and they're like, well, we're not going to see you guys again until the
fall.
And it really can choke me up a little bit.
And I wonder what that's going to feel like.
Like I'm saying goodbye to friends.
Well, some of the players will not be back.
No, I'm not talking about the players. I'm talking about the talking heads. And I think
that's weird, right? Like what's going on that I'm getting emotional that I'm not going
to hear Danico until October.
That might be okay. I can't. It's just, you know, I look at it as like, look, they made the playoffs this year.
Yeah.
They had a, you know, a pretty good season.
They kind of like tailed off at the end.
I mean, they were really struggling.
I didn't, at one time, I mean, when they were talking about the Rangers
already a couple of points behind them, the Islanders already caught, I mean,
they won the kind of games that they needed to win, but they just weren't
playing the same style of, of play. And it's just like, once they got in the playoffs, they won the kind of games that they needed to win, but they just weren't playing the same style of play.
And it's just like once they got in the playoffs, they're decimated.
They had a lot of injuries and it's hard to get those other players up and try to find
the right line combinations.
So and I said before we were on Mike, I told you about what you saw the post game with
Keith, he was just saying, just saying, look, these are the tools
that he has and these are the people that he has and you have to make best and hopefully
you get, but even if they got past the first round, I don't think they're really going
to make a splash this year.
But I mean, they definitely need to retool.
There's definitely some things they need to do on the off season.
Speaking of retooling, what do you think of the Giants pick? You got your quarterback of the
future. Are you happy? We'll see. He's rolling eyes.
It's more than a, I mean, it starts with the quarterback, but you know what? You need an
offensive line. That's the moment on the most important things you need. Quarterback ain't
worth shit if he ain't got no offensive line. What'd you think about the Sanders
quarterback ain't worth shit if he ain't got no offensive line. What'd you think about the Sanders drop in the draft going from potentially being number
one to falling all the way to the fifth round?
They said losing 10 to 30 million dollars in the process.
Show them what you made out of.
Going to a wasteland, barely an NFL franchise in Cleveland where they, quarterbacks go to
die.
Is this, did they do it to him because he was being such a flashy show off and stuff
with the chains and the, all that stuff?
I think that there was a lot of red flags in terms of his mentality where-
I'm Deion Sanders' son, so therefore-
Yeah, and you're, as the quarterback, you need to be able to lead the team and not be,
and not stand out as like, like, look, I'm here all by myself. I'm that fucking flashy and
everything. Where you need to be able to like bring all both sides of the ball together and not be,
that they not be a polarizing figure.
Show that you play as well as your father did and then you can start talking.
Yeah, but I'm very curious to see what he does in Cleveland, man.
I guess Cleveland is just dying for anything, success of any kind with the Browns.
I just, I don't understand.
It's like all these years, like all the draft picks and everything else.
Like now you said Kansas, you know, Kansas City finally turned their teams around and they're actually, you know, they won some Super Bowls now.
It's like Cleveland just never, and it jets. It's another one. It's just like, it's just how do you get these teams to turn around and at least be-
Well then, well you get, you draft a fucking generational talent in Patrick Mahomes, but that's the difference. Like Patrick Mahomes, he's that good where he could act like he could act a fool the
way with like, you know, like I'm not going to make rap videos.
I'm not going to practice.
If you win, I'm going to arrive in a hot air balloon.
Yeah.
You can do all that crazy shit.
I think they're saying that after the Superbowl.
But he hasn't won anything yet.
So you can't do that.
You have to, yeah, you're going on a job interview,
basically, and you're telling teams that you don't even want to play there.
Yeah, you got to prove. You got to prove yourself.
And that's a red flag, I think. It's like, if you don't want to play here,
so what's going to happen when the first bit of adversity hits?
He cost himself a lot of money. Isn't that what Eli Manning did?
Well, Eli Manning did it. He didn't want to play for CTV.
He didn't want to play for the Chargers, but he also wasn't making rapid deals.
It wasn't Pappas. Yeah, yeah, well.
He wasn't like...
He is now, but he wasn't back then.
I should hate the guy. I should hate Eli Manning, but man, he is hard to hate. He really has a sense
of humor and he has a great personality.
They are pretty wacky.
Wasn't Shador walking around with like a pocketbook full of a million dollars?
Pocketbook?
Yeah.
Like a coach pocketbook?
Something like that, yeah.
The only thing I heard was that he had a chain that was worth about a hundred
grand on.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think he's prioritizing, I think he knows it now.
I mean, if he doesn't, if he doesn't, hasn't learned a lesson now, then he's never going
to learn it.
But he prioritized all the wrong things though.
Sorry, it was a Louis Vuitton bag with a million dollars in it.
That's just, that's great.
What's the matter with this country, man?
They all got like hats on and chains with dollar signs and shit and money.
Yeah, it's, it's just ugly. Who wants to see you? Especially
if you're unproven.
I don't know if it's ugly. Isn't so much it shows. Well, it doesn't even show. It's a
flag. It's a red flag that you can't be trusted to make sure that you're, you're the CEO basically of a company as the quarterback.
You're the face of that franchise.
You don't, I don't know, do you want the face of the franchise to be like a party animal?
Right.
You know, it's Johnny Manziel all over again.
Like, but while we haven't seen this guy play professional football yet, he may be able to walk the walk
and talk the talk and also party like it's 1999, as Prince said, and still play fucking
lights out.
I don't know if that remains to be seen though.
Not too many players that were successful doing that.
No.
I mean, I think wide receivers can have that flamboyant personality.
Defensive backs.
Defensive all-in's?
Yeah, but the quarterbacks usually don't have that kind of lightning rod personality.
Supposed to be like nice and steady.
Yeah, calm and steady.
How was your Puck Nuts Minute?
I think it was more than a minute.
We never really answered your question, which was like, is it weird that you …
Oh yeah.
Is it weird that I get like … I watch it to the bitter end, even though there's really
nothing to hear that I'm not going to hear anything that I don't already know.
That's why you do it though, because you know it's over until next season.
It's almost like a torture.
Yeah.
It's just, you know …
Do you spend a lot of time with these guys during the season?
Yeah.
Do you watch the games.
Now he does.
Currency a fooboo.
But yeah, I think it's weird though that like I, almost like it's like a television show
ending, it's like a series finale.
And you don't know if the whole cast is coming back because that remember that what Blondrill didn't come back and I didn't even know she wasn't
coming back and I didn't even get to be like like like come to grips with like
holy shit I kind of feel the same way Sam Rosen retired permanently at the end
of the season as was kind of did you have tears in your eyes a little there
was a lot of people wanting to hurt back though.
There was a big…
Erica Wachter.
Yeah, they made a big thing about her but I'm just saying it's…
Tell them Steve, Dave.
This is treading into ISOL College.
Erica Wachter got mentioned.