Tell Em Steve-Dave - #642: Summer Camp

Episode Date: June 30, 2025

A great adventure is had in the deep, dark, woods.

I love old boy action and you can use that as the weekly quote. Somebody drove a short bus into the lake. Moist, sticky, thick. You bet it was. Tell him Steve Steve Dave. We got BQ here. Hello. We got Walt here. Yo.

Got Giddim here, of course. Howdy all. How you stankin'? Special guest, Johnny Law. Johnny Law, everyone. Hey. Johnny Law is here. He's back.

Happy to be back. He's back. He made it back. He made it back from where? From the... From the... Did everybody listening to this know the adventure? No, nobody knows. This is a surprise. Nobody has any idea what happened.

It's for my close friends who I tried to snag into this. To Johnny, graciously accepted. So, once a year? No, it's three years since the last one. Okay, so. So I think we- Tri-annually. Like every year is a little too-

Nobody knows what you're talking about. Yeah, I know. I'm sorry. So I went to a summer camp in the early 90s. It was a science summer camp for all boys. How old would you have been when you attended this camp? What were the ages? So it was 92, 93, 94, 95.

So I think we age out at 16, but I was allowed to go at 17 because my birthday was in June. So 13 to 17. 13 to 17. It was a science camp. Science summer camp opened since 1963. And how did you get in because of your massive fucking IQ. Like an experiment or something. Did you have to write an essay? My parents saw an ad in boys life magazine and wanted to get rid of me for a month.

Got you. The check cleared. Yeah. The camp was a month? It was, oh, there was three sessions. There was eight weeks, six weeks and four weeks. So you did them all? No, I did the weeks, six weeks, and four weeks. So you did them all? No, I did the last four weeks.

So they didn't screen any of the kids or the boys going in. Like you could have just stepped off the short bus and attended science camp. You went to school on a short bus for 12 or six months. Then you went to this Mensa camp. Yeah. You keep dropping in the short parts. But they were like, anybody's welcome as long as you pay. Probably as long as he has the check clears. It wasn't for the gifted and talented or super smart.

No, there was gifted kids there. But they weren't actively pursuing them though. I know, I don't think, yeah, it's not like some super secret organization. It's a Mensa camp. Yeah. Right, okay. So I went there and then I- And you loved it. Ia camp. Yeah. Right. Okay. So I went there in the 90s.

And you loved it. I loved it. I loved it. Some people didn't like it that I loved it, but we'll get into that later. At 13, like if your parents suggested science camp to you, how would you have felt about it? For a month, all boy action. As if you didn't have enough all boy action in school.

I love all boy action. And you could use that as the weekly quote. I think at 13, I would have rather been running around on my bikes with my friends, running around Staten Island, than going to a camp like that. But I can't say that I don't see the appeal of it. I do. I wouldn't be like, I wouldn't say I don't know why somebody would do it. I get it.

I think it would be fun. It could be. I didn't really have a lot of friends in my neighborhood. Right. You probably did. Yeah. So.

Right. Yeah. So you were happy to go to camp. Yeah. So around eventually, for some reason, summer camp starts becoming less popular. I guess people, you know. With the other kids, you mean?

With, no, with, with kids and parents in general. So. Probably a lot of scandals, right? A lot of touch going on. No, no, no. It's just. A lot of camp counselors getting charged with it. There's this one older camper who keeps... It's the rise of phones.

Somebody drove a short bus into the lake. I don't even think he's supposed to be here. He's like 17. One 19-year-old camper says, who cares? I still love it. Science, yo. Well, those campers become counselors. So why does it fall out of favor, you think? Is it girls and other interests? Well, no. Like I've read articles, it's parents had this – just like stranger danger has increased over the years, parents are like, we don't want to be away – because there's no phones at the camp.

Right. Unless an emergency, you would send letters back and forth home. I think a lot of parents became very paranoid about sending someone away for 30 days. A couple of months. Yeah. So they had to start closing some of the cabins and then eventually at around- Attendance was sagging. Yeah, attendance started dropping and then in 2019, they had a point.

After the 2019 session, they announced the closure. Fuck, that's still a long time. From the 90s to 2019? No, 60s. Right up since you went though. I thought you meant in the 90s they closed that and that's why you didn't go at 18. No, no, no, I couldn't go. The cutoff age was 16.

So I got to go at 17 because my birthday was in June. But in 2019 they decided to close the camp, but keep it open as a outdoor facility that people could rent. So we decided to have a reunion that year or in 2020. Whose we? And then COVID, the alumni. You were involved in the decision making? Well, yeah. People were like, we're interested in coming. You found out about a third hand.

Did you wrangle people? Did you rally people, old people to come and be like, hey, we're going to do the, I'm setting this up. Like the curator set up his amp meet. Did you like- You found out about a third hand. Did you wrangle people? Did you rally people, old people to come and be like, hey, we're going to do the, I'm setting this up. Like the curator set up his ant meat. Did you set up the reunion? No, someone suggested in the Facebook group- Because of no way, then. No, someone suggested, yes. Because they're not going to have it if there's no interest.

They set it up. And you attended. They set it up. I agreed that I wanted to go. I showed interest and we organized that we wanted to go. But then 2020, COVID happened. We had another one in 2021. You fucking smart ass motherfuckers couldn't figure a way to do it around COVID?

All your scientists couldn't get together and fucking bring the brightest and best of this. A giant super sweater. To figure out a cure, man. Well, it's not somebody running around in fucking masks and shit. So we had it in 2023. No, no, 2022. Sorry, 2022 was the first one.

Thank God you're getting these facts correct. It's higher. Someone's going to back check this. There are people that are going to back check, yeah, and be like, bullshit, it's all a lie. Again, I'm a little mentally drained. The camera is going to be a little bit of a pain in the ass. I'm going to have to go back and check it. I'm going to have to go back and check it.

I'm going to have to go back and check it. I'm going to have to go back and check it. I'm going to have to go back and check it. I'm going to have to go back and check it. I'm going to have to go back and check it. I'm going to have to go back and check it. I'm going to have to go back and check it. Someone's gonna someone's there are people are gonna check. Yeah, like bullshit. It's all a lie A little mentally drained the camp still stands as it stood back then Exactly as it's okay and same owners. They just write it on like weddings Owners original name is Don Whacker. Okay, he died Dave Whacker took over now his son Dave, Jr Runs it little Whacker still in the family I would not my last name to be Whacker took over and now his son Dave Jr runs it. Little Whacker. Still in the family. I would not want my last name to be Whacker.

John had two children, Dave and Richard. Dick Whacker. Wow. I told this to Johnny, he didn't believe me. We got to camp and someone brought it up and I was like, see. Are those two most sheltered parents in history that they don't realize, hey, maybe we shouldn't call him Richard?

Right. Are they that clueless and sheltered from the world? I can say this. When I got to the property, the whole vibe there is like the most wholesome kind of Walton-esque situation. It's almost saccharine. It's so wholesome kind of Walton-esque situation. It's so, it's almost saccharine. It's so wholesome. So if somebody were to pull out a dick whacker joke, they would be looked at. A scant.

They'd be like, what the fuck? I don't know what to do with this asshole. I think I can fuck a poor dick. I think after hours, after hours you can get away with a joke like that, but not during like the five. Right. Yeah, yeah. So, this was the second one we were having.

Second annual reunion. Well, no, the second reunion. An overnight affair. Yes. Yes. Okay. And they knew you were bringing a date? Two nights.

No. Apparently, they thought I was bringing my son. Yeah. Because they- Well, tell the history. It's like, how can you be- It's got to be some mother. That Johnny Law attended.

I mean- It must be different mothers. So, how long in advance do you know you need to bring your plus one? They announced it a couple of months after the last – So you're like – you're scrambling. I got to bring a plus one? No. I wanted to – after that first time, I wanted to bring a plus one because – like you want to tell stories. And when the people there know the stories, it's not as enthralling.

You want an audience. Yes, an audience. Someone to share this joy with me. Yeah. We heard about the boots in 22. We don't want to hear about them again. The strangers weren't really willing to pretend to be interested in what he said, so he needed to kind of bring someone that he could share that with. These are stories all about campsite stories. Yeah.

Yeah. Now, was there a girls camp that you guys raided across the lake? No, no, no, there was a girls camp. We had a sister camp called Camp Onika. But supposedly there was dances with them, but I never really got invited to those I guess. Gotcha. So So the first- You didn't have Johnny Law by your side at that time. You could have sued for discrimination. Yeah, so the first person I asked is Lindsay and now this is two years ago I asked her. Lindsay is the one who saved Chuck's mom's life with a kidney.

And somehow in my head I thought that she had… She's like, haven't I done enough? Again, this is two years ago. I gave the kidney so I didn't have to go. I think I'm going to be giving a kidney or oh shit, no, I really got to give that kidney. I got to get out of this. Get him.

You asked her two years ago for this particular weekend? Yes. I mean, if someone asked me to do something, I would say, well, I'm going to do something that's going to help me get out of this. I'm going to do something that's going to help me get out of this. I'm going to do something that's going to help me get out of this. I'm going to do something that's going to help me get out of this. I'm going to do something that's going to help me get out of this.

I'm going to do something that's going to help me get out of this. I'm going to do something that's going to help me get out of this. I'm going to do something that's going to help me get out of this. I'm going to do something that's going to help me get out of this. I'm going to do something that's going to help me get out of this. Get him. You asked her two years ago for this particular weekend? Yes. I mean, if someone asked me to do something in two years, I'd be like, what are you – like, talk to me six months away or something. No, I want to make sure you can get the time off and everything else like that. Two years? She might have been at a different job. Okay.

Well, she could put it in her calendar. We have calendars. So I asked her and I thought He sounds hurt that he wasn't the first choice right there. Fuck her. Who is this Lindsay? I thought she had agreed and then I brought it up and she was like She hung up. She was like I never said I would go.

Who phoned who this? So I went back and checked messages and she never actually agreed. She said, let me think about it. So now I'm scrambling to find somebody. Right. So my first thought, someone suggested Steve from reviewing history. And I kind of hemmed and hawed because I'm like,

well, what if people think I'm gay? Because I'm coming up there with a guy. Yeah. And then, well. Well, what if people think I'm gay? Because I'm coming up there with a guy. Yeah. And then Walt- Well, what if people think you're gay? I would just feel weird, like that's not me. Then Walt said what? You kind of assuage my fears

that people would think that I was gay. Oh yeah. If I brought a guy up. I would not think that's the first, no. What is the first then? These are close buddies. They're into the outdoors. Yeah. Pals, they look like they would pal around together.

A caretaker perhaps. A make-a-wish. But then Steve got out because he had a family obligation. Walt offered to come. I did offer to go. Which? I cleared my schedule and I have a feeling that he was thinking ahead and being like, he doesn't want to hear the stories. He's going to get miserable and

he's going to be – I'm going to make a scene. Oh, yeah. I'm going to leave on Friday night and I'm going to make it to Saturday. We agreed on the first meal. You'd be out. There's no chicken tenders there. There's no French fries. I stepped up and I was like, I felt bad because he was scrambling and nobody would say yes. I was like, if you can't find anybody, I'll go.

What a good friend. I thought so. So then I reached, I asked Jimmy, Jimmy never got back. No, no, I asked Natalie, Chuck's girlfriend, if she wanted to go. Yeah. And but before... And you were really, really worried that people were going gonna think you were homosexual right no no it was a it was something that was on your mind constantly no you got it out of my head

that I don't happen by rubbing your back telling you no one's gonna think you're gay You slay that pussy. Everybody knows it. Yeah, then he gets caught. They're like, all right, get him. Let's hear your pussy stories. He's like, oh no. I walked into a corner, QS'd in the bathroom. That counts, right? I still think about it every night. So I asked Natalie and I asked Johnny Law and Johnny was the first person to give out, like within a minute, he was like, yeah, I'm in. Yeah. You're an outdoorsman. I love this stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love that.

That was the other criteria. I was trying to find people who, you know, who would enjoy the outdoors. Right. Right. Like no air conditioning I felt would have probably put Walt out a bit. There was a lot. There was no air conditioning this weekend. I have to say. No. Holy shit. Wow. I don't think you would have enjoyed any of this. Not a single piece of it? Not one piece of this would you have enjoyed because there'd be other stuff that was happening that would have destroyed your ability to enjoy what's going on.

The food, everything. How do you guys- I think you would have liked rotating games. Rotating games, I think you would have liked. But how do you guys handle that kind of environment where there's, especially at this past weekend, it was moist, sticky, this past weekend, it was moist, sticky, thick. You bet it was.

Oh, the weather. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait, what were the sleeping arrangements? Cabins. I even told- Two to a cabin? No, it's a cabin for, you could hold eight people. There were three total in the cabin. So you're sleeping with strangers? Well, one stranger, honestly.

In the same room or is it, or do you have your own room? It's one big kind of room. Like with bunk beds? Yes. Bunk beds. How are you sleeping in a room? I'm sleeping in a room. You're sleeping in a room?

I'm sleeping in a room. I'm sleeping in a room. You're sleeping in a room. I'm sleeping in a room same room or is it, or do you have your own room? It's one big kind of room. Like bunk beds? Yes. Holy fuck. I did, I did. Can you imagine now?

I'm going to say I did tell Lindsay that I could probably arrange for her to have a different cabin than mine. Okay. So like we've been, it would be like, it's totally. Oh, Gideon, I don't think anybody is thinking that you would be in all disrespect for it. Yeah, not a complete gentleman. The first reunion there, after the first night, my cab name was like, I hate to say this,

but I have to leave. Your snoring is so bad. I couldn't sleep at all. Okay. So I'm like, okay, I'm good with my own private cabin so I could just bounce off the walls there. So you left Johnny Law alone with the other person? No, no, this is my first.

This is a couple years ago. Couple years ago, yeah. His roommate had to leave. Yeah, I very much got to witness the snoring. The snoring, really? Yeah. Well, so did Walt, right? When you were in Florida, right? Yeah. We slept many nights in our hotel and it is shocking that he's still alive the way that he snores. That apnea to sleep up. It is shocking that he's still alive. He has that app in the, Oh my God. Yeah.

He needs, he needs cerebral from fucking what's that thing from X-Men? He needs that over his face. He needs some massive. Yeah. The, uh, what do they call those machines? The C-PAP. Yeah. C-PAP.

Why don't you get, why don't you try that? I gotta go for sleep. You'd have to go to probably a doctor. You can't buy one at Goodwill. That's kind of the roadblock. The flea market. Yeah. Any Victorian breathing machine.

Kai holding his fellows. So you came, you came down here, you met up with Getham and then you guys drove from here together. Yeah. What's your first reaction when you get this taxi? Is this real? I was driving, actually, I was taking my parents out for their anniversary. My wife's in the car and my parents, and on the screen it pops up, you know, hey, do you want to come to this camp?

So I go, can I go to this summer camp? So I was like, can I go to this summer camp with, with get them? Is that, are we doing anything that week? My wife kind of like knows what's going on. So she's like, yeah, that's fine. My friends are like, what are you doing? I'm like, I'm going to go to a summer camp with get them. And they're like, oh, okay. Like very strange. But I was like, but they know you're an outdoorsy type. Is he gay? Yeah. This isn't a gay man you're going with, is it? Is he a bear?

And so I was thrilled to do this because he told me there'd be fishing. I said he'd link you to the question. And he was right. It was a great time. I really did have a blast. And what's the missus thing? Because you don't really, I mean, your only time you spent with get them is with the time you've been here. So you're really going. No, they hung out on Key West. Oh, that's right. I forgot. Yes. I was near you. Okay. So, all right. I take it back. So the missus knows that you're.

Yeah. You know, she's like, um, you know, she's like, obviously, you know, she, she's pregnant now. Oh, congratulations. Right. Congrats, man. And so, you know, she's like, obviously my number one priority should be going to the summer camp. Yes. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. That's, you know. Well. But he asked me two years ago. Once that baby comes, you won't be having time for summer camp shenanigans, right? We'll see, you know.

How far along? I like that she is like three months along now. Well, technically at the next reunion. She was thrilled by the way that I was out of the house. His wife and baby. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh yeah. There was a lot of families there. So many families. If you can get my wife to stay in one of those cabins, I'll give you a thousand dollars. I might as well sleep in a spider's web. Yeah. No, it's very clean.

It's a very clean place. McIntam, you're very concerned that people were going to think you're a homosexual, but if you brought Lindsay or you brought Natalie, very quickly, it would have been evident that you guys were just friends. So maybe they would think that like you were just their gay friend.

Yeah, possibly. So no matter what, people are going to think you're gay going to this camp. So I have to ask though, did I put the seed of asking Johnny in your head? Cause I remember one afternoon or we were driving somewhere and I said, here's what you do, Gideon. You asked Johnny to go in your place and pretend that he's you.

And that you got some work done. You got your teeth fixed and you got your shit together. Oh, we could have put an earpiece in it. So Gideon could have told them what to say and do. I said, you go and say, you sleep in the woods and you watch everything from afar and then you're real and all of a sudden Lindsay has decided she will attend because she's gonna be sleeping in a cabin with Johnny Law. And everybody and you're holding court.

So does Natalie. Which would not have been out of place, though. Oh yeah, there was an arrangement like this. So what? Yes. So my first year there, I saw this guy there with two women, and I thought that one was a spouse and the other one was a friend.

Right. But then after camp, I kinda like, you roll it over in your head, and I'm like, I wonder if they were like a tri-couple. Like a throuple. Is that legal in New Jersey? We weren't in New Jersey. I mean, I don't think they were married.

Oh, that was in Pennsylvania. That was in New Jersey. Yeah. I don't think they were married. So they were just together. They were partners kind of thing. But they were back this year and like through overhearing, like they were an actual. So this guy who's scored two women, he's got two gals on each arm.

Yeah, well one gal. He's the fucking smartest guy in that fucking camp. How did he fucking handle that? Well, you gotta see the women first. Oh no. Oh no. No, no, no, no. Was he the most popular?

They might listen. They might listen. Was he the most popular dude in camp? Not that I... Was he somebody that you're like, that dude's fucking got some riz. He was- In the land of the blind. He was used to having-

The one-eyed man is king. Yeah, he was late 90s. All right. Yeah. Wow, two women. Yeah, it was- And you know he brings both just to show off. He's like, oh, you brought your wife?

Eat my wives. Yeah. Look at how not gay I am. It seems like that's all they care about is this camp. Well, they took off for a full day though. You at how not gay I am. It seems like that's all they care about is this camp. Well, they took off for a full day. You sure wasn't a gay conversion camp they sent me to? You just not aware?

They took off for a full day to go like antiquing. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. They did. They're apparently the world's largest uranium glass museum is in Pennsylvania, close by the camp. All right.

So did you know that there would be no air conditioning? Yeah. You needed, and you're like, I don't give're like, I figured there would be no power in the cabins So I was ready but you're like you do that you yeah I like you go into the middle of the wilderness with a satellite phone and nothing else Well, yeah, is this like the Four Seasons? No, the Four Seasons is still the Four Seasons It was it was better accommodations than I anticipated. Nice.

So you have power, water, toilets, everything's in every cabin. Hot water is about... Oh, great. Yeah. Yeah. So what they do now is it's an outdoor facility. So for apparently three months a year, they rent it out to a Jewish summer camp. So they don't have to...

The Jewish summer camp runs everything. And they just collect the check for the facilities. They have a rock wall, a climbing course, archery, the lake, so many things. So who's the first person that you walk up on and introduce Johnny to? Uh, the camp director's son, Dave Jr. So we go to check in. Whacker?

Whacker. Yes. Dave Whacker Jr. Yes. Dewhacker. So, uh, he's like, oh, oh, he's like, okay. I was so confused because I thought you had a son. I was confusing you with somebody else who had a similar name. But I think, I think we, my impression of this whole first meeting, I, I really thought

that you really knew these guys, like really knew these people and that they knew you really well. I was expecting like, you know, him to walk up and they'd be like, oh, how have you been? It's like, there was- People didn't even know who went to the camp. Oh no. So I kind of felt bad for Gittem

because Gittem was like on the drive down saying, you know, oh, like these are some of the greatest guys and like there was this closeness and stuff like that. And then the first person he meets is kind of like, what, which one are you? Dave Wacker didn't know you. And I was like, Oh, he was, he was after your time. Well, he's senior would have known you though. Senior.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, you used to, did you get talked to a lot in camp? Oh yeah. I actually, did he get in trouble this weekend? Uh, no, he was asking people. to a lot in camp. Oh yeah. I actually- Did he get in trouble this weekend? No. He would ask people. So there were a lot of counselors that attended this, you know, and these counselors would

have been Gittem's counselors at the time. And how many attendees do you think would you put at this weekend? How many were there? Um. 17. Wow. Wow. Wow.

70? With all the kids and everything? I don't think it was 70. I could pull up the photo maybe. I don't know. Okay. I don't think it was 70. I could be wrong. But yeah. I was thinking more like 40.

40. Still. Still, you know, very impressive. But I might be wrong. But the counselors were really impressed, I think, with how Gittem has changed over the years, because one of them described Gittem as a camper, as an insufferable asshole. Wow. So I was expecting, I really was expecting to go there and be like, oh.

Johnny, can you aim that up at your mouth a little more? No, just tilt the microphone. Just tilt the mic. The actual mic itself. No, no. Yeah, the actual mic. There you go. There you go.

So I was really expecting it to be like a frat reunion or something like that. Everyone's like, but it was very clear right from the start that no one really liked Gittem. Why, what'd you do? Whoa, that's harsh. And I felt really bad about that. Didn't like him back then or now?

No, they really like him now. Oh, well that's all right. It all goes well that ends well. What were you doing back then to cause people to hate you so much? It was a horrific asshole. What were some of the things you did that? Like I was just, I would not do what I was told.

So what would you do then? The exact opposite. Okay, give us an example of what you did that, I wanna know what it was that- This asshole's a strong word. Yeah. But it's a strong word. Yeah. But it's a correct word. Especially for everyone to be unified in it.

Yeah. In your opinion, you know. I had a problem with my junior counselor so much that my counselor made him put me on his back and carry him around a field to try to make us fall off. You sure this wasn't a gay camp? They sure this wasn't a gay camp. It's definitely a gay camp. They used to do this run or something.

They would be running somewhere because we had this whole conversation with the counselor. Everyone in the camp would be running and Gettym would just stop and say, I'm done and refuse to run anymore. So in order to kind of create some type of accountability and bonding, the counselor was instructed to pick, get him up, put him on his back and keep running so he could stay with the group. But he would just basically say- How heavy was this counselor?

Well, weren't you 17? No, that's probably what it was when I was about 16 or 15. So you have a grown man on your back? No, no, no. The grown man is carrying. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's carrying me. Because he's refusing to run.

Oh my gosh. Why would you do that? And you were okay with this? Like you were okay with having to crawl on some man's back? This I don't remember so much, but if Colin told me to do it, I would have done it. Did somehow by the end of the race, were you facing, like face to face? And all that you were making out as you were tailing each other. As he's running around the field.

They should have just put a fucking Kentucky Fried Chicken bucket on a fishing pole and bang it in front of him. So that's the photo from the... Wow. Yeah. So wait, when this guy would carry you about, so he told you the story, you got the story. I got the story, Geddon was there. So if, yeah, but he doesn't want to tell it. I can tell it. I was told you the story, you got the story. I got the story. Getham was there. So if, yeah, but he doesn't want to tell it.

I was also drinking a little so. So when they carried him, he would just be like, nah, I'm done. And then the guy that had to carry him was there? Yeah. Did you ask questions? We were like, what's it like to carry this loaf? He was just like, he's like, I didn't want to do it. He goes, but Colin thought it would be a good idea to kind of make force him to kind of be a part of what was happening. And then I think they assume that, well, this is what kid wants to be carried by another

man. Like eventually he'll get off and just run alongside with you. What kid wants to get shamed about how office the messy is week after week. What kid, we can do whatever you want. We can say it any way you want. Yeah. This is a pattern of behavior. Yeah. No, it's not even a pattern.

It's just the behavior. Yeah. Yeah. So they tried lots of different things, but he was by all accounts, campers and counselors, very, very difficult. Now, why did you like it, the camp so much if this was the kind of behavior and attitude you were permeating, like giving out? Universally loathed.

I did have some friends. They just didn't happen to be there. Like Babatunde. This is the guy that went to Thanksgiving or something? Slept with his eyes open. Slept with his eyes open, yes, yes. He was from Africa or something? Nigeria.

Nigeria? Yeah. I thought it was the name of a tree for a second. No, Babatunde, yes sir. I had some friends that came out. He's going by the name of Steve Davidson right now. He's why your credit's so fucked up. Stole away back then.

So I had a small insular group of friends and that's kind of who I would hang out with. But would you say, did you get the sense, John, you love that he was like that every year and every year he'd come back and be like, motherfucker, this guy's back. So I don't know that he, I don't know that there was like any improvement that was so big from year to year that the counselors weren't like, like a little bit of, are there any other examples? Did you gather any other facts? Well, there was another one where,

so everyone has chores that they have to do. Right. And you spin a wheel or whatever and you've got to do those chores, that's a sign to you. And so people are sweeping the cat. You have to do this too? No, no, no, this is in the past. Oh, in the past, okay.

So one kid has to sweep, another kid has to do, take the trash out, another kid has to clean the bathrooms or whatever it is. Oh, nobody wants that one. And everyone gets, everyone gets sometimes, you know, the shit end of the stick. You gotta clean the bathroom. He refused to clean the bathroom, did not clean the bathroom, would not clean the bathroom, not because of where, why I wouldn't want to clean the bathroom is it's disgusting, there's filth in there. No, it's because the cleaner that they chose to use was a cleaner that he didn't like. He thought it was, well, you know your angst.

It was Bon Ami. It was like a powdered cleaner. I remember that. And yeah, like the smell of it and like the fact that it would bubble when it would get wet. Like I was constantly afraid I was going to get burned. Wow. And stuff. So like I would, so what I would do is I would try to trade off, there was a job called runner, which before every meal. There's irony for you. 15 minutes, 15 minutes before every meal is runner's

call and you. Where's Dick Whacker? He'll have to carry me from well, I do the running. So you would go, you would go to the dining hall and set up. Lift me up, Dick. Yeah, mount them, Dick. You would go to the dining hall and set up, you would go to the dining

hall and set up the, uh, the table for, for the meal. And then during the meal, you would go get the food, get replenishment, stuff like that. And you'd complain while you did that. No, no, that's the job I loved. Okay. Yeah. So again, but it is, but I would trade for bathroom and then Colin would be like, no, you have to one time a session. They're trying to teach you, they're trying to teach you lessons. Yeah. Not receptive. No. He has, from the whole time I've known him, he has waxed poetically and the amount of

admiration and affection he has for anybody who attended that camp spoke about them as if they were the salt of the earth. So I, like you, I would assume that when he gets there, he's walking into the campsite like Norm. That's what I thought. From cheer. Yeah. And it wasn't the case though.

No. It was, it wasn't Norm. It was the mailman. Cliff. Cliff. He was Cliff. He was Cliff. Oh, you made it.

Great. So why do you have those that weird- But people, I should say, people really like him now. Yeah. Like, how do you, why do you look back on you're juxtaposing? Like, how do you, why do you look back on it with such fondness if you weren't really doing and like kind of being a G-Tag? I had a great time. Even being like refusing to participate?

Yeah, I had a great time. You didn't realize everybody was mad at you and annoyed you? Not really, nor did I probably care. So as long as I was doing my thing. Ignorance is bliss. For him at least. I'm swimming did I probably care. So as long as I was doing my thing. Ignorance is bliss. What? I'm swimming. For him at least.

I'm swimming, I'm fishing. You know, doing my- Getting carried around. Yeah. I'm doing my video, I'm doing my robotics, I'm doing my limnology. Oh, you guys are popping and fucking jiving there? When you're doing like the break dancer and shit?

Popping and lolling, doing the robot? No, no, no, no, we had a robotics lab. So like we were robots and stuff. The science of breakdancing. I thought it was the 80s and you guys had a fucking cardboard box that you were spinning around on. So what's the first night like? So you have to choose. And he picked up the tab for you to go, right? He did, which was incredibly generous.

How much was the tab? 200 bucks, right? Yeah. Plus I bought him a t-shirt. Yeah. I will treasure it. Thank you. Um, so we get there the first night, uh, we got to unpack the car.

We got to pick where we're sleeping. And right away, like as I see him get out of the car, I see like four phones spill out onto my seat next to me. I'm like, what in the world? What is each one of these functions? Because you don't, there's barely any service up there. You're barely are using one phone. Why do we have four phones there? I didn't say anything because I was like, you know what? Did you get an answer? Eventually I got an answer.

Okay. Yeah. And then so we all pack out, we go to the cabin, we have to pick places to sleep. One's already been selected. So I pick one near a window and he picks one the furthest away because he's concerned about how loud this is going to be. And then we go and we get some dinner. This was very concerning. We got, I love camp food, right? It's great. It's nostalgic, it's fun.

They gave us spaghetti and meat sauce. Really good meat sauce. Like you can see the chunks of ground beef in it. Yeah, okay. John, he does not agree with that assessment. And garlic bread. He does not agree with the assessment that it was good meat sauce.

It was perfectly edible. And I'm not some like food snob, I'm no Ming Chen who's trying everything out there in the world. This was like, it was all right. You know, it's like they give you, the pasta comes dry and then you put on a little sauce. That's like a, you's like about how it goes.

Okay. Not great. Yeah. He turns to me and he goes, you know, this is probably the best meal I've had in about three months. Wow. And I'm like, get them. That's by choice though.

I'm like, get them. How is that possible? It's like, like. It was like, it was the perfect amount. You weren't doing it. So it's a perfect amount of pasta to sauce ratio, the garlic bread. I love it. It did depress me when you said that.

But it's also it's going back in my brain. Like I can taste that garlic bread again. So all those good memories are coming forward. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So it was more than just the food then hopefully it was the nostalgia. Everybody glaring at him over a fire.

Because I brought this up to other people at the camp because I thought maybe they would get a similar reaction to get them. Be like, maybe it's just a thing. Maybe like this pasta and spaghetti, it's like, that's the meal. And like, not at all. Like this guy Jack was like, what? That was terrible. This guy Jack was like, what? That was terrible. Now do you attack the dining hall like you do at China Buffet or do you like go up multiple times? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We went through at least two plates of two pans of spaghetti.

It's all you can eat. Well, I mean, you're fighting for it. I'm fighting for that shit. You better fucking make it worth your while. Well, it was all I could eat when I was a camper there But then I still managed to lose weight So then after dinner was We went fishing we did we went fishing we caught some fish. Oh, that's nice Yeah, didn't catch as many as I you know was a little slow

I think the first night was slow so Lake lakeside little lakeside fishing Yeah, and they provide the poles and the bait and all that? I brought all that. Okay. Yeah, Johnny don't fucking use... Oh my, oh my. He's not going to use those old poles or the shit.

He gave poles from the 60s. Well, no, they don't provide you poles, but if you ever seen Chuck set up for like when he films, Johnny's is double that and all fishing stuff. He's popping open canisters. It's like, no, no, this is not the right lake gear. This is the right lake gear. And when you catch, do you keep or you throw it back? For something like this, I throw back. You just throw it back, right?

Yeah. The only time I'll keep something very limited is if I have a legal striper and I'm with my buddy who we can cook at his place, or if it's a particularly great trout in an, in an area that has lots of trout. Either way you're going to eat it that night. Yeah. Oh yeah. That's great.

And I'm, when does the drinking start? We're blowing past the fishing already? Well, I imagine he's drinking while he's fishing. That night. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no someone in the eye with a drunken cast. There is a time and a place for drinking. Right. Okay. Oh really? There's the limit. There's the timeframe. You can only drink. Well, no, like it's just, no one is really drinking up until the fire.

Oh no, there was, if you were looking at cootie, there was people who had been cooties, yeah, it was kind of hidden. Not me though. I don't think they were really embracing the spirit then. How long has it been since you've been fishing? Uh, bright tries was the last time. Bright rise. Yeah.

And did you catch something then? No, nobody caught anything. How much did you catch this time? A good amount. That was the only photos I got. If you count, they kept showing me pictures of all the fish they caught. I caught about at least 10 bait fish

and then that resulted in probably about six or seven actual. Yeah, we were constantly fishing. And there was a couple that they threw the hook at the last possible second. And then is it just the two of you fishing or you were fishing in a group? Just us. Just two of us. So how long you fishing and walk me through that comment, that's man bonding time.

That's like searching out the universe. He was like, do you mind if we go fishing? I'm like, yeah, I want to go fishing. If I'm fishing, I don't care if I'm actually fishing. It's just being out there. But did you feel Johnny Law that you got to the real get him in that time? Because it's very difficult. I've known this man at this point 15 years and I still only feel like I own the flashes. I feel like I've peeled a layer of the onion away.

Right. I don't know if I'm at the deepest layer. Now he's crying. But I'm certainly peeling it away. And he is just a really sweet, great guy. That's what it comes down to. He is. And it was also great to see him in a situation where for whatever negativity existed at that

camp, just the opposite this time. These guys loved him by the end of it. That was partly due to you. He's not refusing to do shit anymore, right? No, he's great. He's not a burden. Well, rotating games I refuse to do. Well, not those people.

But they even said, you don't have to do everything. There was a point in time where they're like, oh, we're setting up some rotating games. The first day was that they were doing it for an hour. It was the second night. That's when we went fishing. And they were like, well, let's just go fishing. Well, the guy that carried you, was he there this weekend? Yes. So you didn't want to say, hey, man, let me climb on.

I didn't remember it until he told me. And he collapses and fucking dies. No, I did not. I did not. Like just snap in the wrong way. He asked me at the campfire, he's like, do you remember when Colin made me carry you around the soccer field? And I was like, no, I really don't remember that at all.

Now you were 16, right? How could you not remember that? Like do you have like a tumor or something? Removed? I just, I now remember every single thing that happened. If a grown man carried me around his back as a punishment, I would never forget it. He's only two years older than me. He's not really a grown man.

Okay, you were 17. He was 19? Yeah. He could have gone off to war. Or he was 15. Or I was 15 and he was 17. Okay. All right.

All right. Even then, I can't imagine me ever forgetting the day, the smell, the feeling of his sticky, sweaty body as I have to hold on onto it. Because you're lazy. You don't have to. You're lazy. Yeah. You don't even have to. I never forget it.

And you're like, that's a black spot. I don't know what happened. For me, it didn't happen. I like, I remember a lot of fights, like headbutt. You got in the fist fights? No, no, no, headbutt. Well, no, I did get a, I had a camp right in like – his name was Brett Fulton. One day we got into like a little bit of an argument and he ended up kicking me in the

balls. What did you do? I went down. Everyone else in the cabin is like, Brett, run until he recovers. Just get away from him. Were you the type that would like get all red faced and like out of control? In like what kind of sense? Spaz.

Yeah, like a spaz basically. Just swinging your arms like a maniac. Yeah, like swinging, like crying and shit at the same time. I think I was like more of a grappler. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So you were a wrestler, right? Yeah, yeah.

Was Brett there this weekend? No. Oh, okay. Well, he could have got his ass back with you and Johnny, man. Kicked him in the nuts in front of his family. Hold him down, Johnny. So then after fishing was… John K. Leeson Well, you gave me…

Trevor Burrus Dinner too. John K. Leeson Digging through the trash with the spaghetti. Trevor Burrus John, you got a thermos? I want to pour this meat sauce in there. This will stay good for the rest of the weekend. John K. Leeson So there's another – so I think it may have been right before we fished. This will stay good for the rest of the weekend. So there's another – so I think it may have been right before we fished but Getham

took me around the property a little bit and was explaining, hey, this is the cabin that I stayed in or this is where the old robotics or the computer lab was. And then we walk up on this kind of condemned looking building. Like you can tell it's in total disrepair. It looks like the building, the camp wanted to forget. Okay. And we walk out. So is it, what type of building? Like a cabin?

I couldn't tell. We had to walk in. It looked like a cabin. You were allowed to go into it? We went into it. Yeah. And what I see, what I see are these. No door. It looks like a place. You were allowed to go into it? We went into it. Yeah. And what I see are these. No door.

It looks like a place you'd bring cattle into. With little spigots on top. Oh my god. No, no, no, no, no. That's where the meat sauce came from. So the first half of this room is. The fucking chunks of meat are blocking up the nozzles again. I told you.

So you come in and you're looking at a wall, except for like two doors at either end. It's like the showers at like Auschwitz? That's what it reminds me. That's what it sounds like you described. I didn't want to say it, but that's exactly what it reminds me of. With benches and then when you go around to the other side, it has those wood lattice work.

It's a giant, the whole back end of the cabin is exposed with those wood lattice work. Yeah. So you can see out and people could see in. If you were to ask someone, what's that building? We don't speak of that building. Yeah, right. It's a national shame. So what'd you guys do in there? Well, we walked in and he kind of, you know,

get him, gave me. I already explained it to you on the way out. This is where they put bars of soap in a towel. And beat me. And I was like, well, this is where we all would come to shower. Oh. And I said, oh, okay.

And hey, listen, that time period, kids in gym, they all shower together. Oh, I don't know if you guys saw that. I certainly didn't do that. I'm older than him. I didn't do that. I'd be like, what? You guys didn't far take in showering in gym? I thought you went out of the camp.

No. No, me neither. We were at the age where there probably were so many sexual assault lawsuits that had already come about that the school was saying. Were there any Sanduskis at the camp that you thought of? Oh, okay, here we go. Sorry. It just dipped out all of a sudden.

Were there any Sanduskis at the camp? No. No, nobody even thought of it. That guy might be a sandusky. But there was some, there was some what I would consider- Codename sandusky. Questionable practices, okay? In the shower.

In the shower. Because what was done was the kids would be kind of heralded. We would go by cabins. Wait a minute. Don't tell me the counselors got to watch. They watched. Oh my God. No, not the counselor. Not the counselor. This was a gay camp.

One particular. You don't remember God carrying you. There's a lot of things you don't remember, buddy. I remember the shower cabin. I mean, it's Camp Dickwacker for Christ's sake. And so there was an individual who was tasked with watching. Now – That's not the shit job? That's not the shit job. I think this guy liked the job. I think that –

No, it was Don. It was either Don – It was Don Wacker. Yeah. It was either Don or Neil who did this. They would check you in and they would make sure you were you release cleaning yourself Like I'm not sure they like they were intently staring at you You know looking for we understand what you're saying. You don't want to put the wrong impression of these people out there Yeah, so we should be very clear. We already got one extra. We already got one new listener from So we should be very clear that we're just making jokes, that there were no...

That is a rough job, though. That's not the job everybody wants. I'd rather clean out the shit off the trains. It gets a little odder. Yeah, because it's fine if you want to have someone in the shower, near the shower, to make sure there's no funny business going on, there's no harassing and stuff. But I don't know that you need to be physically witnessing it. You could be like the room over. Sure.

Well, he was by that door because that's also where there was no controls on the showers for the temperature. Mr. Wacker would actually, there was like a total control. Like there was a main control of it. All the heat could control it? Yeah. It was in like, it was in a little lock cabin. So that's where he would stand and like if everyone was like, oh, it's getting too cold, he would turn the hot water on.

Yeah, he's like, Neil, let's make these boys dance. Yeah. Yeah, all right. OK. But it's like eight showers. And again, there's no partition. So you remember showering there? Yeah.

You remember butts and balls all over the place? So did you guys ever pull up workies and look through the air when you look through the, uh. At other guys? Oh, you're here. Holy dudes, I forgot. Look at that slum. You didn't have to. You could just stand next to them.

You could just get that job. What was that thing called that Porky's they look through? The peephole. Yeah, peephole. There's no such thing as a peephole in a shower. What's it called? I guess the- Oh, like a drain hole or something?

It was a drain hole or something, yeah. I don't know. Something like a pipe that went through. I forget. Yeah, it was always on the poster of Porky, so. But again, it's like eight showerheads all in a row and there's no partition. So it's not like you could... and he's at the one end. And plus again, the back wall and side wall are open wood, so you can see...

You know what's important to say though in this Friday night is like those guys who ran that camp grew up in a period where taking showers together was not a big deal and all of a sudden like here come the 80s or the 90s and all of a sudden these Such a big deal to watch people shower. He saw boys all of a sudden like oh I'm too modest. He was a little skeeved out that when I was wrestling we would take showers together and the coach would be in there showering with us.

So fucked up. Because he was sweaty as well. But it's a different – it was a different world. The coach showering with us. So fucked up. Because he was sweaty as well. But it's a different, yeah, it was a different world. The coach showering with you? It's notable. But again, it's all out in the open. These guys went to war, these guys who were running the camp. They probably were running NOM and shit, right?

I don't know, let's say yes. But at what age, at what age, because my understanding was this practice at the camp continued throughout your time there. Yeah, then- So if the person is there to monitor to make sure that these little kids are washing themselves and actually cleaning and being hygienic, don't you think that maybe you don't need to do that for a 17-year-old?

Well- That's a point I hadn't thought of yet. Yeah. So what this is what I was telling him is that when I got to the older, when I was, my last two years there, we were in cabin 17, we got special permission before Reveley to go and take a shower by ourselves, just the whole entire cabin. You and one other guy? No, no, like the whole entire cabin. So it's a bunch of, again, it's a bunch of us guys, nobody's supervising.

Okay, but let me ask you this though Isn't it also weird that as soon as there was no more showers they let the building fall into decay They're like oh well if I can't fucking watch boys play Play with sudsy up. I'm going to let it fucking just fall to disarray No upkeep whatsoever because there's no reason to No upkeep whatsoever because there's no reason to. I think with the no front door and the back wall being open, it's exposed more to the weather, like the winters. Nobody cared enough to preserve it.

They're like, fuck it. It's no sense. I think it's still let it rot. I don't think you... I don't know that you fully explained what that back wall looks like. There's showers in the middle of the wall. And so everyone's standing in this room. The back wall is lattice.

It's like see through. So anyone that's walking around in that area. But the same point though, then probably secret shenanigans can't really go on. Which is why you don't need to have a guy watching, I think, in general. Were there rumors of secret shenanigans going on when you were at camp, do you recall? Aside from the carrying the guy around? Some of the counselors had daughters who were there, and we would joke that they would be out in the bushes staring at us. We were some fucking Adonises to me. Reverse Porkies. Yeah. Now, get him. Do you remember in Honestly, to me, reverse Porky's. Yeah.

Now, Gideon, do you remember in Forest Gump, Forest bought Jenny's house and tore it down? Okay. Do we need to do that for the shower building? I love it. I love it. Do you need us to make it go far, far away? No, I don't want anything in this camp destroyed. It is.

Okay. Again, when you come, except for the main house being changed a little, I guess, because of ADA stuff, and them adding a porch, it's literally this, it is the same cab and the same bunk beds that was there. When I was there in the nineties and people were there when the eighties said they were there.

So it is like this chunk of this chunk of place that has just been ripped out of time. It just exists. Sure. Like once you pass the main gate, damn. I got it. Back in the nineties. Yeah. Back in the eighties, back. I get it. Back in the 90s.

Yeah. Back in the 80s, back in the 70s. Yeah. Yeah. The older you get, the rarer that is. Yeah. Yeah, I understand. It's just so quiet.

Like again, you're in a valley. What about the four cell phones though? Are they going off like every two seconds? No, we had Wi-Fi, but the Wi-Fi was really, really, really bad. Yeah, it was bad. Why four phones though? That's the thing. From what I gathered, one phone is good because it is connected to a Google voice.

One phone he can text with. One phone is a flip phone, which is what he likes to call with because he gets too distracted from the other phones. And then another phone I think is one that his dad gave him and he just kind of uses it as a storage device, is that correct? No, that's when I'm running all my weird apps. Okay, all right. So there you go.

Kind of weird apps. What are you talking about? Like if I have to install an app for like some Bluetooth device, I put it on there so that it's not really like you can't crash my main phone. But here's the question. You really didn't crash my main phone. But here's the question. You really didn't give me an answer when we were in the car. If I get a new phone and I give you my old phone, it's still, it's a good phone. He'll have five phones.

Will you? That's the question. Will you just get rid of the other phones and just use one phone? No, I might get, since that's an Apple. This is a hoarder. Since that's an Apple, I might get rid of the Apple phone and replace it with that one. I will upgrade. Why do you think you're the only person that needs this many phones, but everyone else

is getting by with just one? Just the way I am. Because you can't throw anything out. I know. So when does the drinking start? Drinking starts at night for us. Yeah. What's the drinking choice?

Yeah, and how much do you bring? I was smart this time. Last time I brought extras just in case somebody wanted to share some Natties with me. Apparently, other people have taste and didn't want to. My last night there, I had five Natties left. I drank three. I was feeling good. I was like, let me take a fourth.

Then after the fourth, I was like, I don't want to take just one beer home. Let me drink a fifth. So he's filthy. And I was hungover for two days. Filthy drunk. This was the last time. This was the last time. All last time.

Listen, he was totally appropriate. Never was he like, you know, out of control, but he definitely was drunk. Yeah. Both the nights. Got a little tuned up. Because one of those Natty's is like three beers. Yeah. So like one Natty daddy is like three beers. How many Natty daddy did you drink?

I had over the course of the whole weekend, I tried one Natty daddy. So what were you drinking? I brought, so a friend of mine who's wedding I was in gave me a bottle of scotch. I don't really keep alcohol at home all that much. So I just brought it off. I said anyone can have. Right. So the first night a ton of people came and we all had a couple of glasses. And it was nice.

Yeah. But yeah, but get them is get them can put them down, man. I was impressed. Paying the price for it. Yeah. Oh no, no, that's, that's, that's day two that I'm paying the price for it. I was going to say, can he put them down anymore? If he's, if he's suffering for the next couple of days?

Hey, you know what? The first night we were drinking in the game room or whatever. Why did we leave the game room? Do you remember? The game room? Why not? I knew it! Game room.

I don't remember the time, but I certainly remember. How many games are in the game room? Like pool it looks like. Ping pong ball. Two ping pong games. Yeah pool it looks like. Ping pong ball, two ping pong games. Yeah, stuff like that. Ping pong tables. There was an air hockey. That's like the newest thing was the air hockey, a piano.

Piano. A little wooden piano, of course. Can you play the piano, John? A little bit, but not well. I knew you could. I knew you could. Of course he can. A little bit.

You know, he can play what he wants. And, but, you know, I don't remember what time we went back to the cabin, You know what you can play with me once. I don't remember what time we went back to the cabin, but I definitely remember going back to the cabin. I think that part is missing from your memory, right? I kind of remember stumbling back. What was your first instance of being like, what the fuck am I doing here? I never had that feeling.

Never had it? I really never did. Oh, that's great. I'll be honest, I'm trying to bring out some of the crazier things about Get'em and Get'em's life, but the reality is we had a great time. And Get'em and I have a lot of the same interests. And- Like what? Well, I love fishing, he likes to fish.

I like outdoor stuff, he likes it. He does like – I would be one of those guys that goes around to flea markets. If I didn't have a job and other stuff going on in my life, I would want to do that. I'd want to have a company where I resell stuff that I find in flea markets. That stuff is really for me. So we do have some of that in common. Did you guys talk about that? A little, but not too much. So then we went to sleep. It was a little rough for me the next morning, but I got over it.

Why? Because you were hungover? No, no. I just had – I fell asleep the wrong way. I had attached a fan to the bunk, a box fan. Instead of falling asleep with my feet to the fan, I fell asleep with my head to the fan. I woke up halfway through the night and my entire head is completely dried out, which is kind of what it sounds like this. Then I had to flip around. Then I missed, I know I missed Reveille. Yeah, you did.

But it was a little tough to get to the bugle. What's Reveley? You want the bugle? Oh yeah, everything in camp is run by bugles. Yeah. Okay. So that means you have to get up or you don't? No, Reveley is –

You can choose to sleep through it. No, no. You don't choose to sleep through Reveley. Well, I mean, in this particular situation, you could certainly just say, I'm just going to sleep through it. I mean, you're not a camper. They don't have the same control of running as they did in the camp days. Time to shower, Johnny.

So what time do you guys get up on Saturday morning? Like 6 a.m.? No, no, like 8 a.m. I woke you up because I thought you'd want to go get breakfast. Well, no, it's flag ball first because we raise and lower the flag every day and night. Whose job was that? Color guards. Not you?

No. Well, if it was our cabin's turn to be color guard, it would be rotated throughout the session of who did it. So I did do it a couple of times, but I didn't drop it. No, never. Never? Never. Never forget.

Because we were graded on the stuff. You dropped that flag, didn't you? No, I did not. Just a little. Never. Never. Never forget. Because we were graded on the stuff. You dropped that flag, didn't you? No, I did not. Just a little. Never. It was Color Guard's job. Like if it started raining, Color Guard had to leave wherever they were going and take down the flag and put it in the game room.

Game room. So when does the competition start? Ooh, yeah. Well, they briefly gave us an overview of the competition the night before. But Saturday was the day. Yeah. So what are some of the things that you can compete in for? It's hot.

You're hungover. Ribbons. That wasn't hungover. Yeah. Why are you fucking drinking when you know competitions are the next day? Don't you have enough discipline to fucking not drink when you know there's a ribbon on the line? You'll see the footage well, but I don't know that he took it as seriously

Maybe as he should I told you that I wanted him to come home with multiple fucking trophies He he tried really hard, but I don't know that there was a lot of prep Yeah, there really wasn't so what are some of the things that you guys could vie for for trophies and ribbons were there trophies or just ribbons? Just just ribbons ribbons. They fucking cheat down, huh? Yeah Come on man, you how much a ribbon costs over a trophy it's probably a quarter a trophy is at least 20 bucks this is the first part of the events yeah no comment eat you get a you get a ribbon for eating two bowls of cereal? So we should explain that.

Where is it? Look at me, it's fucking lawyers jumping right in. Go to internet, get him, I got this. Get him, please. These are individual events, but they're all individual events as part of a relay. So a person from every team, once all of this is completed, the relay is over.

Totally understand. The team that finishes first, okay So it's a lot of fucking that's only one page that looks exhausting to me. Yeah So Johnny how dialed into are you into these events? Are you like, you know, are you new Rockne? Or are you more like, you know, I'm this is this is just silly I just he was the first name on the list. I was like, let me pick the thing that I know I can do Okay, I wasn't gonna be like, oh this sounds funny. I was like no I want to win I want to win. Yeah, and I want to win but more importantly, I don't even care about the whole really

I want to win my event and this is why I was so happy He getting was bringing you because you are basically a ringer I told him that this is your chance to go back to that camp and shit in every funny motherfucker's face, whoever fucking dissed you or teased you. Rightfully so, it seems. This is a chance to be a little bit of a- If they were there for the exact four years you were- This is the revenge tour, 2025 for Gimstevedave as he fucking fucks up every asshole that

ever fucking fucked with him. That's exactly what I was thinking. Ben, whoever that was that kicked you in the balls. Brett Fulton. Brett, yeah. Guess what? Fucking my lawyer's here with me this time. Yeah.

Try kicking me in the balls. Yeah. Try. What's the first thing you guys got to take in? I did the canoe around the island. Okay. Now are you a two-man canoe? No, it's me and then this other kid who happened to want to do it. Kid or adult? So I did the canoe around the island. Okay. Now are you a two man canoe?

It's me and then this other kid who happened to want to do it. Kid or adult? He was probably 14. They split us up so sometimes families were on both teams. Did you smoke him? No, no, it was me and this kid. He was 14. And then it was two grown men we were against.

Where's Gantem? Why isn't he in the canoe? Well, you can't do- It's at the bottom of the lake. You can only do a couple. Oh, well, we're getting there. We're getting there. You can only do like couple. Oh, well, we're getting there. We're getting there.

You can only do like one or two events because you won't be able to get around to them fast enough and you have to let everyone do something. So the actual relay, it's like, you know, you could have some terrible people on your team. It's your event. It's like the kids were doing the baton running. That's a lot. What's your canoe experience? I own two canoes. I canoe a lot.

You got this. You know it, right? I was like, I'm ready toes. I canoe a lot. All right. So you got this. You know it, right? I was like, I'm ready to just win. You're just sizing up the competition. You're like loser. And I thought the kid that I was with, great kid, this kid that I was with, really nice kid, he looked like he was an athlete.

I was like, all right, we're going to – because the two guys also looked like they were pretty outfitted. You didn't tell them that, right? No, of course not. Because then you get kicked out of campus. We saved that talk for the showers. Got a sandusky on our hands.. We saved that talk for the showers. We got a Sandusky under here.

There's a meal for that. You know, you did quite a job on the run. All right, so you got to… Watch it pop off next year and let's canoe. Let's hit the shower gamut. We haven't even canoed yet. I know. It's time to hit the showers.

So, but he looks like an athlete, but he's got a lot of energy. He's got a lot of energy. He's got a lot of energy. He's got a lot of energy. He's got a lot of energy. He's got a lot of energy. He's got a lot of energy. He's got a lot of energy.

He's got a lot of energy. He's got a lot of energy. He's got a lot of energy. He's got a lot of energy. He's got a lot of energy. He's got a lot of energy. It's time to get the showers. So he looks like an athlete, but he's not, it sounds like. He is an athlete, I think. It's just, I don't think he's really had any friends. He doesn't care. Because the first thing that happens, I get in the back to steer the canoe.

That's where you want to be if you want to steer it. And he gets in the front and he does these really choppy little strokes that's almost like he's slapping the water, which means he's just soaking me this whole time. So there's Johnny. All right, we see him. So you gotta do all the work. So I'm doing basically all the work.

You don't tell him like, hey, this is how you do it? Because it's too short of a, I'm like positive. You're doing a great job, keep going, Keep going. Okay. Yeah. Did you win? We did. All right. All right. Not bad. All right. So you get, so there's one of these ribbons I'm looking at for that? Well, you don't get a ribbon for the individual. Okay. So overall, okay. So what's your next competition or what's Giddim's next?

Now I'm done. Now I have to go and kind of monitor the other competition. So Giddim has two coming. All right. Sunken canoe. What's that? We take a five gallon bucket and fill the canoe full of water. Then we get into it and paddle across the lake. You're not doing that. Yes, he's doing it. Why did you let Johnny do that?

But actually, you're right. He's not doing it. Oh, okay. Gotcha. Why would you allow yourself to do that and not Johnny? Because I've done this before. I did this before at summer camp. He was adamant that this was the one that he should be doing. And again, I have fond memories of this, but those fond memories are 30 years in the past. So in those intervening 30 years, the foam that holds most canoes up if they get filled with water has long since degraded. And I've gotten a little fatter.

Yeah. So- I'm sure it was the foam. No, no, because we pull the canoe out, I get it in, it instantly it was the foam. No, no, because we, we pull it, we pull the canoe out. I get it in and it instantly sinks to the bottom. My halfway there. And so then Colin tries again and Collins in the, in the front, my old count, my old camp counselor, he gets in and as soon as he gets in and moves it, just

either way, either side, the canoe just pitches over. So it just- And you're at the bottom of the lake? My phones! No, no, no. I made sure I didn't have my phones on me. I had shoes on because I didn't want to step on it.

Did Johnny jump in and save you and give you mouth to mouth? No, I was videoing. We had like, he didn't have to wear Life Fest for canoeing, but we had to wear him for Sunk and Canoe. Okay. So So thankfully. So both teams are flattering though. And eventually we get about, we get into the deep end of the swimming area and they're like, okay, you don't have to be in the canoe.

You can just grab the canoe and pull it along. So now it is me, Colin and I, holding onto the kid with one hand and trying to paddle with our front hands. And now I'm wearing shoes instead of bare feet So I'm having trouble and are you is your heart fucking out of your chest? Johnny got 9 1 Expecting the coast guard to have to come in and like Were you worried? I was actually so worried because he... it was... toward the middle of it, he was getting to the point where he was sinking down while he was swimming so that his mouth was half

covered. He'd be breathing heavy and water would just be spewing out of his mouth the whole time. Like some lake creature trying to surface. Look at the leech. Covered in leeches. creature trying to surface. In fact, Jack, one of the guys, his wife was standing next to me and she's like, oh, is he okay? I go, he's magnificent. I was checking on him too.

It's the one, we ordered mounts, we were going to have mounts for like this whole entire thing to record. To record some GoPros? But they never arrived. Well, thank God you didn't fucking bring the GoPros in the water though. Well, no, they had, they had. Oh, they were uh, they were waterproof and they that's what we needed the mounts, but I'm like it would just be me going Are you okay? But at one point he kind of steered away and I couldn't see the dock now in my head we had advanced

50 feet and then he corrects that I'm like, oh my fucking god And we have to keep the baton with us. So now you know, I mean, it sounds like a great weekend. It was. But then we, I get to the, I get to the end. I finally could, uh, we get the canoe to the dock. I could finally feel something under my feet. And so I get out of the water. I thought I was going to throw up. Luckily it was just a burp. But then, so I start going towards the cereal eating. I start going towards the cereal eating. I start going to the cereal eating, but meanwhile, my baton runner is way ahead of me.

And someone has to just set three tables. And I am not moving quickly. No. I am like at a… It's like, have you ever seen an astronaut that's been out for months and then they get back home and they can't really walk. And it's like, yeah, they're adjusting to gravity. I mean, it was, yeah.

But where is their national heroes? Right. This asshole just tried to move a canoe 25 feet. Oh, it wasn't 25 feet, it was long. 56 feet. So what happened in the cereal contest? It was from there to there. What happened at the cereal eating contest?

Uh, well. So what they did was they sent a guy, they sent a guy ahead of me who was actually able to run and he's like, I'll set it up for you and if you don't make it, I'll start doing the cereal eating. That's the kind of picture that's like, you see it and you're like, that's when I realized I needed to go on a diet. Yeah. The mouthful of cereal and scooping it in.

This picture isn't really capturing just how intense the moment was because, hopefully you'll see video, but he was, his whole body is shaking at this point because he's so out of breath. And at the same time, he is shoving. What type of cereal? Can't you tap out?

Can't he fuck tag team you in to do this? I was- Well, there's Johnny right there holding the camera Yeah, okay, you can't tap in and take over listen I thought if there was gonna be a medical emergency, let's make sure we get it on film, you know What a way to go right? Yeah In the place in the place where he loves doing into his in the place in the place where he loves doing the thing that he loves just hanging off his balls

and by this point by this point Johnny had already found three problems with the with the waivers we had signed oh yeah Were you just waiting you're counting your money is like wow I'm gonna take this camp for everything that they have emotional distress oh yeah So did you win cereal? Yes. Yeah! Fuck yeah, I knew no one could out eat you. No way.

So you guys are now, you won canoe. You won cereal. What's next? Let's see, Frisbee, Twos... This is all not us anymore. So we kind of just went to them. We don't care about Dick Wacker and his fucking crew. We only care about you, Joe. No, it's Jack Trachtenberg and his crew.

He has to correct me. Sorry. Well, yeah, well, Jack Trachtenberg. Wacker and Tracker. Yeah. Sounds like a legal team. Yeah, I know, right? So I went and sat on the front porch in the shade just to kind of get my heart rate back

down to somewhat normal. Under 200. So what's the next thing you guys are doing? I know, right? So I went and sat on the front porch in the shade just to kind of get my heart rate back down to somewhat normal. Under 200. Yeah. So what's the next thing you guys partake in? It was pretty much the fire at the end. The fire at the end, yeah.

Oh my God. Oh, so you're going to do any of the rest of that stuff? You got to start a fire? No. No, because they had to let everyone else do events. So what we got a big advantage was playing card stacking. So we had a guy who was really good at stacking cards and he managed to do it like 40 seconds and then this guy couldn't do it.

So he had to wait five minutes to continue on. Okay. So we didn't know we at this point, we have a four minute lead. This is also the guy who has two partners. Yes. You know, really? So I got, he's the man. Yeah.

I mean, he's one of them that blonde check. No, no, no, that's Jack's wife. That's Jack's wife. That's what I was talking. Nice job. Jack. Jack Trackerberg. Yeah.

Great guy. She named her son, no Dick Whacker though. No, no different families. Oh, totally different family. Oh, all right. See, we're trying to get to the, I know there's a fire photo here. Oh, wow. Yeah, there we go. So there I am blowing on the fire.

So we got to start the fire first. I go down in my – what am I talking about? For the alcohol on his breath. Once I saw the types of breaths that were being taken, I quickly shifted from working on the fire to getting videos I was, you have to admit I was pretty good you were doing fine you guys got video and we're gonna cut that video into a patreon video coming

whenever we get it out but like here I'm holding my beer because I know one point you know like the fire fire back and I go yeah but we ended up losing that and that is that why your eyebrows look so weird? is it? No. I would not be surprised. I thought you had a four minute head start.

We did, but we had to boil water to a full rolling boil. And- So start a fire? You guys sure you're doing it wrong? Well, that's what the problem was. You didn't have your Zippo? The fire was started, but the problem was the, it was improperly stacked. Who stacked it? I did was improperly stacked who stacked it

I did not stack it who's I don't remember who is whomever was there before a stacker did Bullshit, but they put logs on top and that blocked some of the heat from getting to the fire. Mm-hmm So they ended up getting the the water boiling first and got to the flagpole to raise their flag Looks fun starting a fire in 95 degree weather. So I don't think it was, I don't think it was that hot. So you guys lost the first thing you tried to enter. We did. We got second place.

So one of these ribbons, the second place. Yeah, the red one. So this would be a silver, a silver, right? This was the Olympics. There is no bronze. Which one's the, the red one? Yeah. Second place.

Second place. Campo Tonka. Yep. But it was very place. Campo Tonka. Yep. But it was very close. So how much did that chafe your ass though? Because it would have fucking ruined the whole weekend. I was so mad.

Was it a blue room in the first one? I poisoned all the way. Eat that meat sauce now, motherfucker. Tastes funny, right? And for lunch, for lunch before this, we had, it was make your own tacos. Yes, that was the best lunch, I think, of the whole trip. Crispy tacos or soft tacos? Soft tacos.

All right. Nice, fresh ground beef, oh, jeez. I had about four, so that's why when I got out of the water, I'm like, something's coming out. Yeah. Yeah. And then I had to go eat cereal. Oh, I thought you liked cereal.

I do. What kind of cereal was it? Rice krispies. Rice krispies. Milk on a hot day after you've been running around with it. Yeah. It was a start of fire. Was it whole milk?

Yeah. I like whole milk. Me too. So then after this week, no, we didn't do rest hour. Then we did rotating games. So that's when we went and really went to fish. For people listening at home, there are pictures up on the TV now, and it really does look beautiful.

It looks nice. It looks like very difficult not to have a very peaceful, fun time. Yeah, it really is gorgeous. It's beautiful, it's a beautiful product. The lake's beautiful, yeah, I could see why you guys, everything I'm seeing in these photos looks great. I would go back in a second.

Yeah. So what's the green award for then? You guys have three ribbons here. This is for showing out. You guys shouldn't have put this on the table. That's right. I know. This is what you bring into us, a second place ribbon and a participation.

There's a brown ribbon. That's right. Is that for someone blew up the bathroom? Excellence in fishing. Excellent. Now that you're a ringer in that one, though. The only two fishing ribbons awarded that this entire reunion. What was the other one?

Oh, you both got them? Oh, these are Johnny's and yours? Yeah. Okay. So Johnny gets to go home with these. That's right. Oh, shit. Johnny, you should wear this.

I've already called my framer. You should wear all three of these ribbons whenever you're in court. I think I will. Oh, I told him. I said he's got to put these next to his diploma. Yeah. He's going to pass those on to your child one day. I will.

Yeah. I participated. So how do they measure who gets the ribbon for fishing? Is it by weight? It's more by asking the person who's in charge of the ribbons if we could maybe have a ribbon for fishing. Okay, I was going to say it because we were bragging about all the fish we caught. To be fair, we definitely caught the most amount of fish of anyone out there. There's no proof of it when they came around.

When they were seeing us, they were caught. This particular guy was also around and would see us catching fish. What type of fish are you holding up there? That's a largemouth bass. Largemouth bass. Yeah. He caught his biggest perch. I caught the biggest perch I've ever caught.

All right. Caught some bluegill, got some, I think, crappy, caught some. Oh, that's what I caught. Yeah. They stalk this lake or it's just natural? No. I guess it was stalked at one time and now it's just like this. Yeah. So there's pickerel, large mouth bass, small mouth bass, crappie, bluegills.

Perch. Perch. He said some kind of catfish. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now do they, do they stock this lake or are these naturally occurring fish? They stocked it at one time. Yeah.

And they just let it go? The thing is, that's a question I just asked. Yes. Oh, did you? They just spent a at one time. Yeah. And they just let it go. The thing is, that's a question I just asked. Yes. Oh, did you? They just spent a minute answering it. I'm sorry. The thing with bass.

I was looking at that fish and listening to Johnny. I lost time. I lost like a minute. You sure did. That's concerning. Yeah. Tell me about it. I wasn't going to say anything until you gave me that look.

And I was like, oh, maybe we should point this out. Guys, when are we going to start this podcast? Where am I? Who are you? Mary Beth? Did I win this round? They kidnapped! I can't believe it. It's like you gave me that look and I was like, oh, maybe we should point this out. Guys, when are we gonna start this podcast? Kidnapped! Where am I?

Who are you? Merry path! Did I win this riddle? I'm being kidnapped! I can't believe I participated. I won! Oof. All right, well this is-

So that's Saturday? Is there anything else happen on Saturday? We went- I went fly fishing Saturday. Oh, that's Saturday morning. Yeah. We went to the river instead of the lake So it's only like 10 a.m This is the last fish we caught yeah, we did other fishing though

We did some I did some fly fishing or along the river anything that I caught some small fish there It was beautiful. Yeah, that's the first thing we did when we got up like we were just gonna go fishing And what are you guys talking about? Like, what's the, what are you guys wrapping about? Everything and everything. Just talking, yeah. I don't, I'm not a big, I wasn't having any luck river fishing. So I eventually just kind of gave up and was like trying to record him. But then it got, the water started getting a little deeper. I had phones in my pocket. So I ended up, I bushwhacked through the tall grass and I found a cut through and I took all my phones out and everything

and I waded back down the river to get back to him and he was just sleeping at that time. But it burnt out because that was right before lunch. It was perfect, yeah. And I will say this, I know Getum gets a lot of flack from maybe talking a lot, having a lot of opinions and correcting people. I know that in the past,

that's been some thing brought up. He's a great fishing partner because in a fishing partner, you need someone who's happy for long bursts of silence and he was perfect. Really? Yeah. He was calm. That's why I don't get those long bursts of silence when we're at the office. They fish with me. But as you said, when I posted that photo, I could smell that from here. That was my first fish I caught. That fish is anemic.

Yeah, that's pretty smart. Why are you even taking a picture of that? That was the first fish I caught. All right. But then I turned that – I put a big giant hook through it and it was trying to catch other fish, which didn't – I think it was – we were just at the end of the day for the fish. They were going deeper and they weren't really hitting. But the next day when we went, they really hit.

Yeah. So then we had the closing campfire. Yeah. They did a great job. Well, not only had dinner, dinner was hamburgers, no, it was hamburgers and hot dogs. Like a barbecue outside. Yeah, barbecue outside.

Kind of meat. You were talking about, talking about 90% lean or was it like 60% lean, these hamburgers? It sounds like they probably by the looks of it, they didn't spend any money on trophies that they put it towards the food. Again, if you saw the amount of ground beef that was in the meat sauce and the tacos, it was- Good meat, good grade? Okay.

All right. Best meat. Now, were there campfire singalongs and stuff? Did you guys do that kind of thing? No, thankfully- It's some scary stories. There were people kind of thing? No, no, thankfully. Some scary stories. It was, there were people that shared stories. The first night.

Yeah. The first night. The second night they gave out the awards and then there was this other older gentleman. Joe Macy, that's him right there. Who gave a speech, a very, very nice sweet speech about the camp. Joe Macy was my mortal enemy. My first couple couple years there. How come?

He kicked me off, he was the rifleman in Sharpe. He kicked me in the balls. I think everybody in there kicked him in the balls. That guy right there, giving a speech, kicked you off a team? A field trip. Okay. He kicked me off a field trip, and again,

when we went there, there was no, you couldn't call your parents. Yeah. But if you were on a field trip and there was a payphone there, you could call your parents. Yeah. But if you were on a field trip and there was a payphone there, you could call your parents. Okay. So you would angle for a field trip at least once a session.

They gave you a certain amount of points and you could choose so many. So why did they throw you off a field trip? Because some kids were acting up and he turned around and he spotted me and I wasn't one of the kids acting up, but I had this reputation and he thought I was part of it and he just kicked me off the trip. Right. And it just, and now this is, I think this is Action Park. So we would send like three buses up to Action Park.

Yeah. So now there's nobody else at camp and I am devastated that I can't talk to my father or my mother or my grandmother. Right. And it just, yeah. And then like later on we were talking about it in our cabin and people who were there were like, no, he didn't do anything. Yeah. So but then I hated this guy afterwards and he hated me.

I think you've talked about this guy before. Yeah. I feel like I've heard this. Yeah, we made up the previous – You guys are copacetic now? Yeah. I was going to say you should have drunkenly interrupted his speech. Oh, yeah.

No. I've got a few fucking things to say. Hey, Macy. I don't know if you noticed. I was just – Oh, I definitely noticed. we- I've got a few fucking things to say. Hey, Macy. I don't know if you noticed, I was just- Oh, I definitely noticed, yeah. Okay. I was crying. Yeah, I noticed.

I didn't want to, you know. You're crying about what, though? He was moved because the speech was talking about, and I think it's happening again. Oh, he's crying right now. He gave a very nice speech basically saying that, you know, just because the camp isn't here as it was before, just because we are not necessarily campers anymore, you have that memory and for that instance, you're back at camp.

When you think about it, all of a sudden you find yourself back at camp. Very nice. Did you start crying? No. No. Okay. We kept this together. No.

What am I? What is this, gay camp? Come on. Save that for the shower room, boys. The gay room. Yeah. Wow. Did you guys do any science? No, all those cabins have long been since locked up.

The robotics cabin has closed up? Yeah. So what kind of robots did you guys build? Anything looks like Herbie or? Would you remember, it was a robot named Hero. Like it would be on Mr. Wizard. It was like this square box that had one robotic arm. No.

So how advanced were these robotics, though? That seems crazy in the 90s to have a robotic cabin. This is the Hero robot. You could program it to do certain things. It looks like a Dalek from fucking... Well, yeah. They were released in 82. We were still working on it.

And do you guys… Could any of your robots do anything cool? Like shoot any kind of lasers or anything? No, no, no. We programmed them to like detect colors and stuff like that. You know, you were doing like programming like if, you know, if this sensor gets crossed then this action happens. So like you would make… you made things that would like – you would put Lego bricks on

a conveyor belt and it would detect the color and then move it to a certain other conveyor belt. So – Wow. Yeah. You got to remember this is a camp – Not impressed. This is a camp for kids like age 18, 18, 16.

I'm going to say you guys and NASA didn't come and fucking poach you young fucking geniuses. Well, we had, we had video class. So we were like, you know, working with video cameras and editing and stuff like that. And so is it happening again next year? No, no, well, he, Joe said two years, but it's probably two or three years. Yeah. Well, I think they can't get it together once every year.

I think it's too much. It's fatigue. Yeah. Like, you know, and then if together once every year. I think it's fatigue. It's fatigue. Yeah. Like, you know, and then if you miss it, you're kind of, maybe you don't want to go the next year because you missed it. I think it gives people enough time to plan ahead. Like I'm going to, I'm going to cut out this, carve out this section of time. So.

You got to tell Johnny Law for next time. I'll be there, man. It was great. I'm saying he might be there on his. Part of the family now. I loved it. Yeah. I had a great time.

What was your name officially? John Two in camp. John Two in cabin five. Cabin five, yeah. Did you now, Johnny, when you were at the campfire, any of the wives start giving you looks, like pointing towards the, nodding off towards the woods or anything like that? No, they didn't even do that. No, he had a, she's like four or five years old. Oh, yeah.

She was adorable. Yeah. She was sweet. Just like latched onto him. Yeah. Then we were fishing and her and her family were kayaking. She came up and she saw him almost catch a fish. Then she wanted him to catch a fish so that she could hug it and kiss it.

Oh. She was adorable. Yeah. Yeah. So I caught her a little baitfish and showed it to her. She goes, kiss it! Yeah. No, no.

She petted it and then she's like, goodbye. And her mother was like, stay away from the man. And she said goodbye. I put the fish in the water and she turns away and the father and I are looking and instantly like a bass just comes up and just grabs it. Oh, wow. Yeah, it was awesome. Geez.

Yeah. No, it was the most wholesome weekend I have had in a very long time. Yeah. Any other stories? Any good stories about Gittem as a child come out? Not as a child, but I think that last night, Gittem really in a heartfelt way said, you know, all of these counselors here and stuff like that really shaped who he is today, which is an improvement for sure on what he was like as a kid. All the counselors were like,

yeah, you're way better now. Sure. I would hope so. Like a 45-year-old man versus a 13-year-old kid, I'd hope so. Well, it's not on medication. Yeah. I honestly think they were touched by what you said. It was nice. So when – Then we got into a giant legal argument. Yeah, we did.

Because there were a bunch of lawyers there. Really? There were multiple lawyers? Yeah. I was loving it. Did you think that you were going to be the only lawyer? I didn't have any idea who was going to be there. But this one guy, Jack, was there who was a tax attorney and I think a great guy.

I really hit it off with this guy. Then there was another lawyer there and Jack and I kind of had one position on something. He had a little different. It was a fun night. Yeah. A little verbal jousting. Oh yeah, the guy ended up leaving. I think next time you should have Johnny give the closing campfire speech.

I don't know if he has that kind of juice. No, I don't think, yeah, if it's choice of me and Joe Macy, everyone's going to go with Joe Macy. Well, Joe Macy already fucking spoke when we're at the same neck and neck. Yeah, why is fucking Joe Macy? Because he gets the closing speech. Every time? Yeah.

How old is he? He's the elder statesman for sure. He's pretty old. We got to start thinking about- Sevenies. Seventies. Seventies. Yeah. How old is he? He's the elder statesman for sure. Uh, he's pretty old. We got to start thinking about seven-session. Seven-session. So that's Colin and that's Jack. And that's Jack's wife. All right.

Look at this. Who's that buff dude right there? That's the guy I beat at the canoe race. Oh shit. All steroided out. Yeah. Didn't help him, did it? No, not a bit.

All his roids didn't fucking help him get to the other side of the lake He's not listening to this I think the second night was when people really started asking about the podcast Why did you even tell him about a podcast well because people had asked what he was doing like that asked what kind of job? You have a fucking fake fucking career? Yeah, I'm an architect. I'm a publisher. You don't have a fake career at the ready? Well I had to explain why he was my lawyer and I was like

he defended me in a case. But it really came up I think with like when they asked like what are you doing? Cause you could easily just be like oh he's just a lawyer and that could be the end of it. Right. What were you doing that you had to explain what you were doing? You were just asking people. Yeah.

Like, what are you, oh, what are you up to these days? What do you do? You know, that kind of thing. Like the guy who was in, the guy who was in our cabin, Justin, he used to work in radio, uh, I forget what he's doing now. We had a discussion about this. I was a little groggy. That's how much these conversations mean.

No, I was a little groggy, but he, his boss wants him to start a podcast. So everybody's got a podcast. So by like, we were sharing, like, you know, it's like, he's like, no, he wants me to do it in this glass conference room and I'm trying to tell him you can't. When you have to explain what you do, what do you say then? I work for a podcast. You tell them what your title is and everything? Yeah.

Office coach? Office coach? I said I'm an ancillary member and I help to like to set up and stuff. Okay. Oh, you're watching Practical Jokers? Yes. You know Brian Quinn? Yes, he's on our podcast.

Really? You dropped it? Yeah. Oh, he dropped it. And then Sunday morning, it's time to go home. We wanted to go river fishing again. Because now that I found this little cut through, it was like a real cut through down to the river. And it was a part where the river comes around so it gets really wide and deep and slow. It would have been perfect for him to

fall. Yeah, I would have liked to have gone there. But they said no. No, no. We got up and just in the distance you kind of hear thunder. Okay. And we take the picture in the front of the cabin, we start eating breakfast and then it just-

Yeah, it poured. ... calms down. That was it. For hours. And I mean, lightning, just horrible. So like everyone just, you know, because we couldn't drive the cars in front of the cabins, we had to take everything that got to our cars. Sure. Okay. So it started raining, because we couldn't drive the cars in front of the cabins, we had to take everything back to our cars. Sure.

Okay. So it started raining so you couldn't fit in. Really heavy. Yeah. Gotcha. Okay. That's really heavy. Yeah, it rained.

I think I lost some more time. Yeah. The skies turned a dark gray. The road was wide and deep and the cars drove around the building. How much we wanted to go up there. I didn't want to get swept away by the torrential flood. We went on the evening hike. We did.

Saturday night. To a beautiful waterfall. Yeah, it was great. He was checking with me. Are you sure you want to go on this hike? You don't have to go on this hike. I want to go on a hike. Well, yeah, you were hobbling.

You were in, yeah. And you got to see some good fishing spots Well, yeah, you were hobbling. You were in, yeah. And you got to see some good fishing spots over there if you eventually do go back. I'd love to, yeah. Do you think you'll ever go back? Honestly, I would see if I could rent out one of the cabins on some off time with some people.

What's your run, you think? It can't be that much. I mean, for a whole cabin. What's the car ride from here? What's the time to get there? Two, two and a half hours from here. Oh, okay. So it's not that close.

Yeah. It's not too bad though. Yeah, I would totally. I would totally rent out a cabin there and bring some buddies and go fishing because there was great fishing. It is beautiful. It's hard to get around that, man. They picked a great spot to put this camp on.

There's the ropes course. We're looking at a drone footage. Did you do the rope course? No. See, this is the part we wanted to go fishing on Sunday. That is some brown water. Probably. It's actually a lot clearer.

The stone is dark. Oh, yeah. I mean, wow, guys. Something. What an adventure. He had a tennis elbow? I have tennis elbow, yeah. Yeah, so he couldn't do the ropes course, so we went fishing instead. Okay. A lot of fishing. Yeah. Yeah. Your elbow looks really a lot, it looks very similar to Gittem's elbow. Does it? Not normally. I'm going to go to a doctor right now.

Actually, that seems pretty high, so it might have just rained recently. So what is the main takeaway, Johnny Law? What did you learn about Gittem? What peek in did you get? Well, the big thing that I learned was that Gittem's youth, I think he dealt with a lot of negativity pointed in his direction. And the fact that he is the way that he is today, which I think is maybe getting more well adjusted and just a kind person.

This is a person who could easily have lots of resentment, I feel like, in his life. I mean, just between some family stuff and how his friends have treated him. He's made huge strides, which is encouraging because that means that he can make even bigger strides going forward. Sort of true. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's- That's my big takeaway. It wasn't just a fishing trip. It was really getting to know

get them. It was just a fishing trip. It was really getting to know Gittem. He is, we said before, as much as he can be a lazy employee, he's a great guy. He's a great guy and he cares. Who knows if, let's say, Gittem had been born now and they had different programs and stuff like that to have him adjust a little bit more, it'd be better. But it's hard to argue him adjust a little bit more. It'd be better, but I mean, it's hard to argue with the way you worked out. Walt really took you on this wing, and any progress you made has gotta be attributed to Walt.

No, no. Well, I think they, again, they started it back then, and then it's latched onto people I think who can help me, and they help me. One last remark from me, I guess, is that I found a really interesting common link, I think, between everything that Get-Em does. So charming. No, and it really is this hyper, hyper sense of nostalgia and emotion tied to objects.

Everything. So I feel like that is a huge part of your life where you can't move forward because you think you're throwing the past away. And yeah. No sense of Buddhist impermanence in this guy. You can't move forward because you think you're throwing the past away. No sense of Buddhist impermanence in this guy. I'd love to see one phone. I really would.

Knock him down to one phone. Even two. Even two would be better. If you could have his number of phones, you'd be ahead of the game. Yeah. Well, but again, he would be ahead of the game. Yeah. Yeah. Well, but again, he's doing fine. What's he wanting for? Well, how much longer do we got?

No, no, no, no, no, no. Is this a two-parter? Not what you'd be wanting for if you were in his position. What is he wanting for? Was this episode brought to everyone commercial free for- Commercial free, baby. Sponsors heard about the showers. How many times have they mentioned Sandusky?

Oh, wow. And now I asked you before we turn on the mics, I was like, we have to get the green screen down today. And you were like, well, I don't know if I can get to it because I'm in bad shape. And you were going to allude to what happened. Why are you in bad shape? Because of the underwater canoeing. Because he fell out of the canoe?

The underwater canoeing. Oh, you're all sore and shit? Yeah. Oh, okay. He's all, he needs some Bengay? When you watch, yeah, when you watch this video of him, there's gonna be no question as to why that green screen is still out there.

Okay, just wanna point out that the green screen is held onto the walls with 15 clips. Thanks. A giant alligator clip that you could take down in less than a minute. No, I'm dreading like that step up on a chair. I'll do it, I'll do it. I'll do it, I'll do it.

No, it's just because it has to come down and then go back up. So you did it. It's called a job. It's fucking wild. It is insane. It's the craziest fucking thing. But it has to go back up within a day. Don't you understand?

My next work day it has to go up. I didn't say I wouldn't do it. I'm just thinking it's going to take- You're specifically saying you won't do it. No, no, no. I was like, it's just going to take a little longer than it normally does. Oh my gosh. All right. Wow. All right. Well, I mean, now you're off back to Boston, huh? Back to Boston, yeah. Is that like, it's got to be rough, huh? I mean, you got to go back to the old nine to five.

Yeah, you know. This is your last hurrah. This is your last hurrah. Oh, God, you're impressing me now. Yes. It's dad life here after this one. I'll be honest. My life at home is very like I, my job is great in the sense that I can kind of come

and go as I please, as long as things get sense that I can kind of come and go, um, as I please, as long as things get done, I fish a ton up there. My wife fully supports my fishing. It means I'm not around. You don't have any, like, you want to go away on a short notice over weekend. It's not really an issue. It's never an issue. Never.

You got to talk to my buddy, Tom. Yeah. Is it an issue? Tom needs some, he's like, oh my God. So since Q West, right, the beginning of April, to now, I have not been home one weekend. Whoa. Yeah. Because of tons of different things that have happened, some of it works.

That's brutal, man. Yeah, I'm like so excited to do nothing. You know, Tom Milazeski's text number, you know, is the phone number you're texting? I have Tom's. Yeah, you guys gotta get, you gotta start helping. You helped get him out this weekend, now you point your wisdom towards Tom so he can get a weekend away from home.

Well, right now, I mean, Tom's got it right, I feel like sometimes. I'd much rather sometimes just be relaxing at home. I think I overcommit to stuff a lot of the times. So if you're gone three weekends, four weekends a month, then three months, yeah. And this is a heavy travel for you too. Like it takes what, four hours to get here from Boston,

then another two to the camp. Yeah, but I work in fun stuff. So I came down the day before and I did some saltwater fishing. Gotcha. Like near, right above, like where New Jersey and New York kind of meet. There's some saltwater fishing to do down there. So I did that. So it's a more leisurely thing.

On a boat or you went on a- No, I just went out. I brought a surf rod. Got you. Yeah. So I try to work in, you know, fun. Some manly shit going on here. Yeah. I don't know. I'm not doing any of it. Me neither.

What about you, Walt? You doing any manly shit? I went to a comic book'm not doing any of it. Me neither. What about you Wal, you doing any manly shit? Uh, I went to a comic book show at the mall this weekend. I thought that was pretty manly. It was pretty good. Yeah. That's not bad. What mall, what mall is left anymore? Woodbridge Center had a comic book show.

They touted it as a comic book show, but it was 90% fucking Pokemon cards. Pokemon shit's back. Yeah. Taking over the, uh. They're back, man. Oh. All right. Tell them Steve Dave.