Tell Em Steve-Dave - #675: Brown Crown

Episode Date: May 4, 2026

Office progress, cocaine use, the boys call Pam and Edgar for their 59th anniversary, Teddy’s lottery ticket drops, Vince McMahon shenanigans, Walt brings a game: Franklin, Flanagan, or Fake. https://public.liveread.io/media-kit/tesd

But you can't have your head buried in a snatch, though, when you've got to look out for dinosaurs and shit. You know, I can't believe how big catwoman's tits are. I can fly, Walt, I can fly. Tell them, Steve, Dave. Hello and welcome to this week's edition of Tell him, Steve, Dave. Everybody's here. Walt's here.

I'm here. Hello. Gittam's here. Hi, Stankin. I'm here. What's up, boys? Much? It's cold out.

Dreary. We were just talking about Q's favorite topic, the weather. And how we're almost in May, and it's still fucking 50 degrees out there. What's going on is what we're wondering. Not that I think you have the answer, Walt, but. It'll get there. It's coming. Sure, everything's coming.

I said to somebody, I couldn't remember who. I can't remember who, but I was just like, it's just a matter of time before it's hot enough that we're bitching about that. Why is it so fucking hot out here? I never bet you about that. Then we'll hear, oh my God, when's this heat spell going to break? My way. Give me 90 degrees. Yeah.

I got a pool. Oh, that's true. It's getting that pool. I wake up. I open the front door. It's like someone punches me in the face. Yeah. With a fistful of ice.

Yeah, I stepped outside today. I was like, all right, I guess I'll wear a flannel and some jeans and shit. I'm going down south tomorrow, and I was like, oh, it'll be warm down south. And it's fucking same shit. Same shit. What's down south? I'm going to Kentucky, the Kentucky Derby. Oh, he's how many years in a row now for you?

Two. What does it be the second time I'm going? Searsucker? I wore Searsucker last year. I got a white linen suit. Lister? Yeah, like Kentucky KFC style. Right, I was going to say, like a southern gentleman.

Right. Well, the colonel is. Yes, yes. So I'm excited about that. But it'll be cold and rainy. And it was cold and rainy last year too. Was it? Yeah.

Jesus. I'm going to start holding for tone responsible for this shit. Yeah, really Some is guessed QS wasn't the same Without Fetone It was great It was still excellent in its own way

But like there's something about Like the space monkey shows I'm like god damn I wish Fetone is right Yeah Fetone's missed when he's not there But it's all right He'll come next year

He brings a lot of energy He does and everybody loves a guy So it's always good It's all right It's okay He's like Mews if Mews could sing Like he brings that energy to Yeah

Yeah Yeah he's great Faton's the best. Yeah. So I didn't do anything this week. What about you? I saw Rocky Horror. Yeah.

Oh, I fucking forgot to watch it. Yeah, it was good. Oh, did you forget to watch it? I forgot to watch it. It was fun. I don't know that Sunday afternoon crowd was the way to go. Too reserved? There was a little bit more reserved audience than I was hoping for, but the show was

excellent. You know, and everybody on stage did a great job. I had purple. I had purple beard, purple hair. I was excited. Oh, you died? Oh, yeah. Okay.

Oh, yeah. You want to see this outfit? Purple or magenta hair? Purple. Okay. Good, good call though. It was, you know, I don't go crazy. You know, a man in my age, you don't want to.

You just start looking like a weirdo, like when you're out on the streets. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if I have any photos. And the purple was for what? Well, you just want to dress up like a little bit, you know, the show. You know, people wear, like, fish nets of the show and, like, little wacky. costumes and stuff.

Like you're one of the aliens on the show type thing. And you're like not willing to put on the fishnet. You'd rather. So purple isn't, I mean, it's very purple. It's very purple. Purple beard and I was wearing a tie-dye shirt, pink pants, and a black blazer with skulls all over it. Is this a character?

No, it's just like one of the background characters. It's not based on anybody specific. It's just like how they dress. Oh, okay. Yeah. Even did the eyebrows. Even to the eyebrows. Yeah.

I caught you on your phone, bro. What are you doing? Relax, relax. I put it right back down. I put it right back down. It's going on, bro. Yeah. I was looking, I was actually looking for something.

You're ready to call everybody out who's on your phone. Oh, my God. You've been holding on to this for a week. Look at them. Yeah. I have. Yeah, I did the hair too. So it was a little back.

But it was fun. It was like fun walking around Manhattan like that because people were like, oh shit, that looks so cool. Like, you know, it was fun. You want even more attention brought on yourself walking around Manhattan. Yeah. Well, I went to you. Well, I went to dinner and stuff, so what am I going to do? I can't put the purple in before I go.

Right. So it was nice. It was fun. I felt like a very pretty man. Very pretty man. Yeah. I guess the big news is that the office, for those who have been following the saga of the office, it's unbelievable. Not the TV show.

Not the TV. No, no. This is more fun to follow. Is it? For me, it is. I don't think listeners feel that way. No? No.

No. No. They don't like to hear about it? No. There was a massive backlash to any office talk. Oh, good God. So even if, I mean, I don't know if they want to hear any updates. And the long list of shit that people don't want to hear about.

It's like, what the fuck? What do you want to hear about? Do you ever see those threads? What people actually do want to hear about? He's like, I don't like this. What did you think? So, it's not May 9th yet, but it's still, I told you it would take you some time. Looking good, looking good.

I mean, I went in the back room, you know, and it hasn't been touched yet. It hasn't been touched yet. It's May 9th yet. Yeah, it's doing great. I walked in the first thing I said. It was like, this place looks great. Like, it looks unbelievable. Big difference.

How did this happen? I think it will probably come at a high cost, though, this request for a clean office, though. What do you mean? I think it will, what's it, irrefacably? Reperably? Change a few relationships. I think. Whose?

I think mine. Giddims will probably never quite be the same. I think I have to take a more boss. Heavy-handed approach. I don't know if that's heavy-handed, but I don't know if a friend approach can work anymore. Yeah, I agree. So I think that will forever be altered from going forward now.

I just don't think it's possible to... To be his friend anymore? I don't think it works. Yeah. I don't think it didn't work. I don't know if this will work either, but I don't know. We'll see how long it stays. Well, it's maintenance at this point.

All he's got to do is maintain it. And I think there's some other people who felt the, what's it called the, some strays. Really? Who? I don't know. I mean, I'm not, I don't want to, again, I don't want to hear about this stuff. Right. Yeah, but I want to hear about it.

Yeah, isn't that what the show's about what we want to talk about? Yeah, what strays. Yeah, we don't, the show has three people in it. Yeah. Not fucking 3,000 people that all get to fucking weigh in. I mean, the main tell him Steve Dave's show. It should be up to us. Not fucking everybody else on Reddit or fucking Facebook.

Well, there was a friend who took it upon himself to try to help. And I don't think Gettom appreciated it and has now. Oh, now he's written off. Ghosted him. Get him has ghosted one of a helper. A helper. A friend. What happened, Gettam?

Why did you, what made you so angry? It wasn't anger. It was... Yeah, it was just... It's not... He was upset by it. You got upset. What were you upset by?

I kind of had like a little bit of a panic attack and I had to... I just had to get away. From a clean room? From people touching his shit, I bet. It's very classic, like, don't take this the wrong way. Get them. But like, when you watch the show hoarders, when they go to clean up the place,

When they go to clean up the place, the person gets very upset. They, like, get them. They have panic attacks. They have anxiety attacks. They're like, no, no, I need that. They'll, like, take stuff out of the dumpster and put it back. It's like, it's never very easy when you're dealing with somebody who likes, oh, fuck. Oh, come on, bro.

What goes off. Dude, you and that fucking phone. Oh, shit. Jesus, man. Leaving it home from now on. I'm leaving it home. Can you, oh, come on. We're recording a show here.

God's sake. Who didn't you go after her? What's that? Who did you go after? With the phone? Yeah. Oh, last week when Walt was looking down, he was using the fidget spinner. So I thought he was looking at his phone the whole time.

Make sure my phone's outside. I don't want to catch any backlash. But yeah, I think that that's probably what's going on. It's like it's that same mindset. The ward is like it's their home and their possessions. This is an office. Right. But Gidim has taken it on as his home, sort of, you know.

Yeah. And we allowed it. We allowed them to sleep here and hang out. and all that other stuff. But it's clean now, so it doesn't... Looks great. Yeah. Yeah, it looks great.

The target or the end game was getting the clean. Yeah. Whoever, whatever happens to... Friendships. Relationships are, be damned because the fucking goal was a clean office and it's here now. Well, like, it's not a good friendship request to be like, hey, for us. It can't be a condition of friendship, be like, we will be friends, but only if I could make your world into a shithole and you endure it. Like, that's not a friendly request.

So to clean it up and for somebody to get upset at it. I don't think it has it. And your friendship with him isn't going to be. Oh, my friendship. Yeah. I'm just talking about the two people that you're talking about that. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think he's going to hold it against you.

No, I'm not worried about me. You know, you're the one that fucking put it into fucking motion. at the end of the day At the end of the day The wheels were put in motion by you Yeah, this is true It might be Q's fault that everybody's bad We're talking about how I'll clean the office is

Hey, I mean, some might say, you know That's all right But others will be like, no, that It had to be done. Had to be done. Had to be done. And it is done. And, you know, though, yeah, at the

the costs were acceptable acceptable I didn't know to be like you're not going to lose a week of sleep no wow

but I didn't know the costs would be that going in but would it change anything would it change your path only in so much as when this person contacted me to let me know that they were going to help.

Yeah. I was at home. Like, it was late at night. And they were like, hey, they were like, hey, I'm here. I was going to do this. And I was like, I almost said, don't do what I said because it probably won't, you know, I almost said, don't. And I said, yeah, go for it. I don't give a fuck.

So somebody was in our office. Yeah. Without us. So it's... Yeah. So how did they get in? I don't know. Fair enough.

Fair enough. Well, it looks good. I've already worked out the date that John will be coming in for the Zero episode with Harv and her husband. Okay, but that wasn't the big fish, right? No, we didn't fucking... It's not May 9th yet. We didn't fucking destroy. for relationships.

For Gano. John O. John O. Yeah. No, no. Yeah, sure. It was of a fucking celebrity caliber guest. I'm on it.

I'm on it. Joderosa will be his show. It has been somebody who's appeared in a major motion picture film or has been a member of the WWE. Yes. That's the criteria. I'm on it. Okay. I'm on it.

Yeah. And Jodorosa fills none of those, right? Joe, I'm sure, has been an important. He was on TV for me. Yeah, but I know what you mean. Yeah, yeah. I'm on it. I'll be,

I'll be texting some people. What's the name in the Mickey Mouse movie with you? On the ninth out. Oh, scream boat. Yeah, not a major motion. So because of that person who now has, who is on the outside looking.

Yeah, why are they nameless? What's to be gained by? I don't think it's my place to, to get into it. But they are going to feel very, like it was not a sacrifice worth making if it's not a fucking,

a big times caliber star. I mean, these people still have to say yes. All I can do is, to ask. I can't get him in my gun, my gun boy. But I'm comfortable asking now. You can't tell him the fuck in, that we moved to heaven and earth? No, I will. You can't get into it. I'm on it. I'm on it. I'm on it. I will get,

I will get, on May 10th, I will text someone of that caliber and start setting up a time to be here. Yeah. It'll all be worth it. All right. All right. And the office smelled night. When I walked in, it smelled pleasant. Really? Yeah, it smelled different. What did it smell like? It was more what it didn't.

smell like than what it didn't smell like. I think that is a figment of your imagination. You saw something clean and you automatically assume that it also smelled better. They definitely vacuum that carpet and stuff like that. They ran the vacuum over that. You get all that shit up, all that dirt, all that hair, all that human skin.

My wife ran a carpet last yesterday when you weren't here. What? Those are my hair flakes. I also... My dog dander now. Now, about two weeks ago, I went through and ordered brand new filters and everything for that vacuum.

They were still Johnson-era filters. Okay, yeah. Yeah, there's a while ago. Yeah. So, no, it's a carpet smells nicer. Like, if you walked in, it, it smelled nicer. I was impressed. I was impressed.

Whoever did it, did a great job. We all did it. Get him helped. Oh, then what's the problem? I don't know if there was a... I told you there was no problem. There was just that it didn't come without some costs. Right.

but if Gettam was part of it. I'm okay with those costs. Yeah. All right. Okay. Well, great. But I mentioned that before. It's very clear on that.

Okay, cool. Everything's fine. Well, good job. Clean office. Looks great. And, uh... Is furniture being assembled in there? Yes.

I mean, things are moving at a brisk pace. It's nice. It's good to see. You're going to have to bring in Danhausen and Enbrook Shields on the same. Yeah. I mean, I'm wrestlerier. Like that backyard wrestling. where they were wrestling at a mini malls.

Dan Housson throws Brooks shields off the roof into a pickup truck full of light bulbs. Full of neon light bulbs. It would be something to see. What's that called when they fall on tax and shit? What's the name for it? It's a, what do you mean? It's like when they fall on tax, there's a certain name for it that like the stunt. Oh, I don't know.

You do know because you told me because you did it, right? I didn't do tax. You did something. I went through a table. I took a table shot. Bumps? Bump. That was it.

Pump. Yeah. I was doing a bump. Yeah. I thought you were doing a bump was when you did something like Coke or something. Yeah. Yeah. Remember those days?

Only once. Yeah. Yeah. Cocaine didn't affect me. I'm sure it was Coke? Maybe it was like telecom powder or something. I don't think so. They might have fucking burned you.

The other guy who did it was fucking. Oh, he was all spacey. A lot of a ledge of a fucking high rise. He was up on the top of east point. Right. I could fly. Wall, I can fly.

Better be careful of his baby powder might have asbestos in it. He might be eligible for a class action lawsuit. Come on, 86 Coke was the best Coke. You know that.

I mean, Coke was... Coke in the 80s for sure. Coke was phenomenal until like, I don't know, 10 years ago. Yeah, and you can't do it anymore. I mean,

you talk about something. I think I've only done like three or four times in my life. It was never a big user of it, but now I wouldn't touch it. Right, yeah.

It's too dangerous. What a stupid way to die. And you got too old, like, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, like, I don't think like doing Coke in your 50s, nearly 60s is a good idea. Hey, we want some off for old time, but you got to make sure it's pure, but I wouldn't do it again. I mean, I haven't done it. But even like, even if you have a guy who you trust implicitly, it's like, who is he trusted?

Oh, I run into these guys all the time. Because they like, you want to bump and I'm like, nah, I'm good, I'm good. And they're like, no, it's, I go to the fent and all, you know, all of something. and they're like, nah, it's a brick I have from like a lab, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, I don't want to touch your brick of cocaine. I appreciate the offer. I do think, though, like if somebody was like the royal taster, you know, like somebody did it and then you gave it like an hour and they didn't die, they did an overdose.

But isn't it that like the fentanyl could be in one thing? You can't even do it by that because it might not be mixed evenly in the... Right. Well, I guess if you, like, chop it up and you mix it up and stuff. Yeah, if you really mix it up, maybe. Don't know anybody take that as like advice. My advice would be not to do. Don't do it.

If you do, you know, once have sex on it. There you got. Make a member. You got to do it. Yeah, that's the time to do it. But yeah, other than that, you can't do it anymore. I'm picking up this phone wall for a reason. A good reason.

Call him Pam and Edgar. Oh, all right. Let's see if they pick up, though. 59th wedding anniversary today. What is 59? Does Edgar know? I don't think he knows. I don't think he even knows it's that anniversary.

It's just coughing. Yeah. That's the garrly in a coffin. This is, they have fucking, this is their landline. They have like eight phones around. What's a relatively small house. Hey. Hello?

Yeah. Hey, it's me. Yeah, you're on the podcast. Hello. The Q is here. Walt's here and Gettam is here. Hello. Howdy.

Congratulations. There's going to be me in a year or two. I'm talking to you. Okay. I thought you're talking to somebody else at the same time. No, no, no. I'm saying that we're doing the podcast right now. Q is here.

Hello. Do you hear Q? We're doing the podcast right now. Doing the podcast. Yeah. And Q is here. That was a little mocking. Yeah, I know, right?

Walt is here. And Gettam is here. Congratulations. Yeah. It says congratulations. Thank you, gang. But we're wondering, like, what is the secret to your success? Tell Pam to be quiet.

That's the secret right there. I mean, Jesus Christ. Just prattling on in the background. Is she talking to you? Mom's talking to Tracy. Oh, oh, God. Secret to success? Yeah, yeah.

Don't stop breathing. Don't stop breathing. breathing? Good. Don't start breathing. Don't strangle your mate, which is tempting at times, you know. Still, to this day. I haven't strangled her yet.

But every once in a while, you still get those old feelings back. You get that old itch to... Well, I don't have the strength in my old age. I guess it's the safe. Oh, no. You know? She's saved. You know, I've become more decrepit as time goes on.

No, is she safe, or would you call in reinforcements like Darren? like get him to do it. Do you know how like every anniversary it's like wood or paper or metal or silver or gold? Do you know what the 59th is? Can you look that up here? Concrete because your head is turned to a total block by then? I thought you meant to put her in up concrete block. Or like a custom family.

Oh, wait a second. Did you get mom a custom family tree, a maple wood plaque, or an item with white roses or lilies. If I could have my choice, the three-eyed get her the white roses and lilies. Well, you did have a choice. You just didn't choose. Yeah, oh, yeah, it goes back to the flower show where you guys met. Giving them ideas.

What's that? In fact, I got her flowers today for anniversary. Oh, did you? Nice. Would she get you? Anything? She got a car a long time ago. She said, but you can't find it.

Wow. 59 years, that's what you got. You should go choker. So now do I believe her that she really got the card, can't find it, or she just tried not to be embarrassed because I got her a card of flowers. Right. She's like, oh, shit, I didn't expect that. We'll never know, unless she finds a card.

I mean, that's probably the truth. Yeah. The route to year 60, would be just believer, though. Is the route to, oh, Walt says the route to year 60 is just a believer. And then everybody's happy, right? Yeah. How much does he care anyway?

Does he care if you ever see? Do you care if you got the card? If you got the card, would it be meaningful or would you be like, oh, whatever? Every day is meaningful at my age. Oh, wow. Wow. Like I say, every day's a good day, some are better than others. All right.

All right. Well, happy anniversary. Thank you. And And, uh, fun if you want to put her on. Oh, yeah,

we'll talk to her for a minute. We'll ask her what her secrets of success is. Pam, hurry up. Here. Well, her hurrying up is not. Yeah,

I'll have to, I'll have to trim where her hurrying up is. You don't have time for that. They're on the podcast, and they want you to put in your two cents. Does he look at her and still see the gali galley took to the flower show?

I don't know. Gentlemen. and thank you for the opportunity. Yep, you got it. You know how I appreciate stardom at this moment. You're going to be famous, man. You're going to be famous, man. You're going to be able to go outside.

Hello? Hey. Hi. So we called to wish Walt is here and Q is here and Gettam is here. Happy anniversary. Happy anniversary. Oh, thank you. Yeah, so we're talking about it being 59 years and what's the secret to success for 59 years.

How do you keep it going? because I plan on being married for 60 years. You know, I'm going to be 113 when it comes around. That's all right, because I'm going to be 100 and say you should be older than me. All right. Wait, how can that happen? This is what happens when you deal with people in their 80s. So what's your secret to success?

We need to know very quickly. Don't strangle eager. You ignore him when he gets mad. Ignore him when he gets mad, huh? Yep. that's a lot of ignoring back in the day yes there was a lot of ignoring

but that's how you do it and you don't bring things up later just let them die is this true Walt let them die Walt's been married a long time so I look to Walt what was that last tidbit was uh if

don't bring things up yeah like if you have an argument just don't bring it up again I think that's good that sounds Because if the argument resolves itself, then there's no reason to be like, oh, and another thing, by the way. Yeah, but if you feel you've taken the L on it, it's hard to be like. Oh, I know. Yeah, it's hard to like.

If you got the W, you know, then you're like, yeah, we don't need to ever bring this up again. Case closed. There's one other thing. I don't have it in me to stay mad. I always forget I'm mad. Oh, yeah. That's good. I have some kind of chip in me.

that makes me forget. I got a chip. It's on my shoulder, and I remember slights, real or imagined, from decades ago. Half the people I'm mad at, I have no right to be mad at them.

The other half aren't even alive anymore. Yeah, they're gone. Yeah, I just forget when I'm mad, you know? Yeah. Start talking about, like, in my insides, I'm saying I'm never going to talk to him again. Yeah. And about five minutes later, I'm talking to him.

Now, Edgar says you got him a card and then lost it. Any truth to that? I did. Or you just bullshit? No, I really can't find it. When did you buy it? It's downstairs someplace. When did you buy?

Did you buy it months ago, or did you buy it recently? Oh, no, I bought it a while ago. It was such a nice card. I just bought it and figured I'd give it to them for the anniversary. Wow. And that's my problem. I do that. them too early.

And then... That would be awesome if that was your only problem. So that would be awesome if that was your only problem buying cards too early? What a world it would be. I have a whole bunch of cards down there that I always bought too early.

Don't worry. Don't worry. No, no. So, all right, so just grab one of those other cards. Cross it out. Yeah. Yeah. Cross out 60, right in 59. Some of them are like happy Halloween. Yeah.

That's fine. Wow. Yeah. All right. Now, we looked it up in 59th anniversary as a maplewood plaque, a custom family tree or a white rose or lily. What did you get for Edgar? Any of those things? You didn't even look it up, did you?

No. No, now it's this year. Next year will be different. 60th wedding anniversary is different. This year, it's a custom family tree, a maple wood plaque. Or items with white roses and lilies. It's one of those three things. You've got to figure how many people get to 60.

The dime, next year is diamonds. Next year's diamond, Pam. Oh, did you hear that? Q just told us next year is diamonds. It's a diamond jubilee. It's all about diamonds. Yeah. You never got an engagement rate?

Oh, this isn't, I didn't ever do this. Edgar can get his two front teeth. I'll just say what diamonds are. I wanted to, it was either get a ring or get a sofa, and we needed a sofa. Can't sit on a ring. Got a sofa. That's a great gal. What's that?

That's a great gal. It's like, nah, let's get a sofa instead of a ring. That's a teammate. Right. That's how. I couldn't help. That's why it's lasted 59 years because the gal that chose the ring over the sofa probably isn't making it to year 59.

No way. No way. Right? Too transactional. So it's Mary Betts' fault. What's right? the ring instead of the sofa. That's why we're not going to make it to 60.

You didn't have a burrow? You could have gave her one. Oh, you're right. Back before burrow fucking threatened. That's with legal action. Well, all right. Well, are you doing anything for the, are you going out or anything? Going out to dinner.

We're waiting to see what the weather is going to be. Either we're going out or we're ordering in. If we ordering in, I'm going to see if he wants to watch when the crawdads sing. I don't know what that is. It's a movie. I read the book and it was an excellent book. Excellent. All right.

All right. Well, we're going to let you go. We just wanted to say congratulations and all that stuff and look out for Edgar. Do you remember the flower show? When you think back, do you remember the flower show that you and Edgar attended together? We went to a flower show? Yeah, it was in your diary. Oh, oh.

Oh, oh, way back then. That was even before we got married. Yeah, I was way back in the day. Yeah, somebody snuck in and read my diary. Mm-hmm. Well, you left it out, so it's kind of your fault. What was the first sentence? That I don't remember.

I read it like 10 years ago. Well, I remember it. I was, I hope I never have kids. The first sentence was I met the man I'm going to marry. Oh, yeah? Wow. You called it. Well, I know how, because if you notice, like,

they've been married 59 years, and I'm 58 and a half. So this would have been the era of flower power, right? We just started you a little too soon. Yeah, this would have been the age of flower power, flower children, all that, all that hippie stuff that my parents completely glossed over. They weren't hippies? They weren't hippies. How come? Edgar went to a military academy. He was all straight-laced. He was like, a square. Doesn't sound like it. He's out there banging.

A child over there is called us Byron Square. I should have been at Woodstock to tell you the truth. Like there's no reason I shouldn't have been at Woodstock. That's a story. Conceived at Woodstock? Just call the flower show Woodstock. Who cares? At this point, it doesn't matter.

What did you say? You wanted to go? Yeah, I did want to go. Lots of people brought their kids. We could have wanted. You couldn't go to Woodstock because of a little bry? I was working as a nurse. nurse and he was working so we didn't have time to go.

So it wasn't my fault then? No. All right, all right. Damn. I would have liked to have done that. Sure, it wasn't your fault. They look back. Would you guys have done the brown acid?

Yeah, Walt has... I could have said you went to this woodstock. What are you talking about? Now, Walt has a good question. Would you have done the brown acid? Do you know what the brown acid is? No, I don't know what that is. That was the big thing.

stuff. Yeah, that was the big thing at Woodstock. They kept announcing it over the loudspeakers, like, do not do the brown acid. I guess that was tainted or somehow polluted. Oh. And one thing I know from knowing of Johnson is, once you tell them not to do something, they're going to do it. Mamanegger would have been whacked out on brown acid. Don't you hear that thing? I can't do the brown acid. Who are they to tell us? Who the fuck are they to tell us? Give me more nasty stuff. Fuck that shit. All right.

Well, we're really going to let you go now. But have a good time, whatever you do tonight. And congratulations. Congrats. Bye. Congratulations. Also tough. Oh, thank you.

Sometime. Brian, have a party. All right. All right, party coming up this summer. All right. We'll see you later. Love all of you. Bye.

Bye, Pam. Break out to grill. again, see what you left from last year. I know, right? Fucking hockey puck of a burger. Lovely woman. Pam and Edgar on their anniversary. Now, you've been married, what, 30 now, Walt?

94. So, I don't know, do the math. Yeah. Well, 32, it's coming up there. I found that those comments by Pam about ignoring. Sometimes you've got to do that. But like yesterday was a great example. Yesterday we had to take Teddy up to his press conference in Hoboken for the lottery ticket.

Where all 18 dogs who were chosen to be on the lottery ticket met at this park in Hoboken. Where I don't know if they could have chose a more congested, hard to find a parking spot town in all of New Jersey than Hoboken. I don't know why the fuck. I mean, you could find a $100 bill on the ground. easier than a parking spot in Hopeoken, I feel. So that was a kind of what caused a little bit of frustration as we're driving around.

And you were not looking forward to this in the first place. No, I didn't want to go, because I didn't say they got an email, had the business attire to believe this bullshit for a fucking... For the pictures, I guess? I don't know. They wanted the, not for the dogs, but for the masters to bring the business attire. And, well, he was wearing a bow tie, so that would be business. But they had to get up at 7 o'clock in the morning for this.

I'm so tired that I asked Deb to drive. So she drove up to Hoboken, I would drive back. And we get up there and we can't find the parking garage that we're supposed to go to because of construction. And there's a cop in the road. And this is about it. Like, she never does this. But I was just like, oh, my God. She falls down the window, fuck you!

She falls down the window and starts to tell the cop, Hi, yeah, we're here because our dog won the prize. We're here for this big ceremony about our dog being on a lottery ticket. And I'm like, he doesn't care. I said he doesn't care. Stop. And he goes, well, what are you trying to get to? And she says, oh, there's a lot of construction.

It's going to be hard to get to. And she says again, but our dog won the lottery contest. And I'm like, if I had those kernels of wisdom from Pam and Edgar, I probably. Could have handled it better. And I was like, will you stop telling the cop that Teddy is the fucking prize winner of this. Did you roll down the back window so that Teddy could be seen? He could see Teddy because Teddy's in the back looking at the cop too. And yeah, I was just like if there's any person on the face of a planet right now that doesn't care.

It's this fucking cop. Oh yeah, there it is. Is Teddy up there he is? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Nice. He's not on the official, like, signs for the lottery machines, but this is the tickets. Well, they messed up.

Yeah, so if you're listening to this, it's available now, New Jersey, on May 4th, which is Monday. Oh, my God. Finally, I can tell my wife, go on May 4th. You can pick up a Teddy lottery ticket, maybe if you're lucky. How much are they a piece, do you know? Five bucks. Five bucks apiece? Yeah.

All right. But we got to look at them. We got to explain to the person, I know that dog. You can't give me trapper. And you'll see that, you'll see that glazed look that I saw that cop's face. As you tell the guy working the counter for. My friend's dog won a contest. No, no, to make sure I get the right one.

I know. I'm going to be like, I don't want trapper. I don't want cash. I don't want ginger. They're very cute. But I need to tell anyone. Yeah. I don't know if it's, it depends.

I guess if you go to some place. where you could pick your ticket, you could do that. But if you do it a machine, you know, it's just going to do random. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ah, nice.

Teddy's got an actual smile on his face. He does. He's smiling. His tongue isn't hanging out. Yeah. A lot of these dogs are. Photogenic. Is he the only one without the tongue hanging out?

No, there's some other ones. Nope. There was a couple. Not many, though. They treated this event like it was like a big deal. Yeah? Yeah. What was your?

The press was there. Did you like have to wear a tie and shirt? I wore my tucket shirt. Oh, nice. Yeah, we're my... Not sure who farted it shirt. And I wore some cargo pants, and I did wear sneakers, though. I was like, I wasn't running out to fucking coals.

I'm buying a pair of shoes for this. Right. And sure enough, man. People were dressed in a way. Some fucking schmuck comes in with fucking track pants, and I'm like, God damn it. I could have been that schmuck. Yeah. Oh, look at, um...

It's funny that it has his name and where he lives, too. Yeah? On the, uh... Yeah, they're like docks in him. You know? Somebody might try to kidnap them. I know. People kidnap dogs like this.

He's chipped. Is he chipped? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, good. Yep, but that's it. Thank you to all the aunts who made that possible by going on and flooding. Yeah.

The, basically, circumventing a fair voting system. now that the tickets are, this is wonderful. I love it. Yeah. Good boy, Teddy. He is a good boy. Yeah, he is.

Nice. Let's see. I'm going to go right down my list here. Vince McMahon, I've been learning more and more about Vince McMahon. Is he totally, like, removed from all wrestling stuff at this point? He is. He's coming to some bad PR. He got sued by this woman that claims.

that he harassed her, trafficked her. I'm not quite sure what the... I think it was harassment. A friend of mine, Vinnie Paulino, does a podcast called The Creep-Off. It's all about true crime stuff. Yeah. And so he was covering him and he was talking about the...

Or he was showing like all the court documents and stuff. Yeah. Dude, it's wild. Yeah. It's wild. Is it like I caught someone's, you know... Like shitting on her head and then like he goes into the room to shower up and he's like, you stay here.

Like you got to keep. this crown on. You know? Brown? This brown crown? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I don't know.

Like, I don't know. You know, I didn't, I would never really get into stuff like that. Yeah. I don't know how immersed you were because, like, you're all into wrestling and stuff. Nah, that's sort of like stuff. I'm just like, I don't, you know. That's a downer, right? It's hard to root for your favorite wrestler when you, when you, when a guy running the show is pooping crowns.

I was okay. I was able to work around that. It wasn't that big of a deal for me. But he sold the company. He doesn't even own it anymore. Oh, he doesn't have no part in it anymore? Yeah, he's not part of it. I'm sure he owns a lot of stock in it, but he doesn't run the show anymore.

He sold it off. He crashed recently, didn't he? Honestly, I have not heard anything about him in a long time. I heard once that case came out. You know, at first I heard some of the details that sounds horrific. And then you, you know, you just pick up from people where they're like, I don't know. All right.

Well, these are the opinions out there, you know, unless I'm going to do a deep dive into it and start researching both sides to create an informed opinion. I'm just going to chalk this up to shit that's got nothing to do with me. Yeah, like what are you going to say? Like if you even like give a cursory glance at like the court papers, you'd be like, I'm not on his side. Well, it's just like if you told me that Vince McMahon was kind of a dickhead behind the scenes,

it'd be like, sure. Yeah, I get it. Totally. Of course. If you told me that somebody who's lied to get money from him, I'd be like, yeah, I could see that too. So that's what I'm saying. If I'm not going to get in there and form a fucking informed opinion. Right.

Yeah, there's something also about like he wanted to hang out while Brock Lesnar. He's a wrestler. Brock Lesnar, yeah. Brock Lesnar was recently featured quite heavily. So I assume that whatever was involving Brock got cleared up. Yeah, I think it didn't happen. Yeah. Actually, I think she said it actually didn't happen.

Oh, there you go. Is that Teddy? Yeah. There's Teddy. What were Teddy's fun facts? Hey. Look at Walt with his on Tucket looking good. You look pretty happy, well, you look proud.

Oh, yeah, it's not happy. Oh, yeah. Is that a matching poop bag thing on his own? Yeah. Nice. Yeah. All coordinated? Yeah, well, I mean, that's how you get to be.

Jerger's top dog. Yeah. I guess you're right, yeah. We just got Norm any old poop bag. It didn't matter. So, what were Teddy's fun facts? I see there's fun facts listed on the screen. I don't remember.

I can't remember. I think that he was an emotional support dog or something like that for his owner. And he was a city dog, you know, who approaches everything with intensity. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was true. He does do that. Everything he does is intense, including cuddling. Yeah.

Yeah. He's like right up on you. Yeah. Oh, that's congratulations. Look at him go. And, you know, I mentioned this off air, but I, I did want to say. I went to go order one of Walt's lithographs from that company.

Right. Sold out immediately. Couldn't even get one. I noticed that. Yeah. I noticed that we sold out right away. That's great. You think they'll be looking to do more with you now?

They asked if I was interested to do more. Yeah. I'm just trying to find some time to devote to it at this point. I got to find a window. It took me a while to do that piece. But wait a second. This is the only one you've done with them, right? This is the rich one?

Yeah. Okay. So Q's really behind on it then. Like, they were sold out day one. I thought that's when I looked. Oh, I thought you said you just looked recently. How long has it been out? Oh, a couple weeks.

Oh, almost a month probably. I looked after you told me and then, okay, yeah. I think they saw that the next day. Yeah, I'm way late anyway. Yeah, it definitely wasn't the first day. I'll see what I can do. Maybe we have one floating around. So maybe we'll be finding.

I want to frame it. I wanted to put in my office. Okay. I could have, my one note was those catwoman's tits could have been a little bit more exposed. Hey, you know what? What are you going to do? I wanted them. From your mouth to D.C.'s here.

I asked for more cleavage area, you know. Yeah. But I was vetoed on that. DC. DC. DC, when you go into? Period. D.C.

is too PC. Yeah, really? PC comics. I mean, she changed the name to PC comics. It's like, what's the extra millimeter of cleavage, right? I guess it's a difference between, you know, having to hear someone be like, like, ugh. You know, I can't believe how big catwoman's tits are.

I'm sure somebody's got a job to justify, a bullshit job to justify. I'm sure half the people that bought the lithograph would have thought twice if her tits are a little bigger. It's just justification. Yeah. That's all. If they don't give a note on it, why do you have them? Right. Yeah.

Yeah, well, they don't. Hey, there he is. Draw on it. Oh, signing it? Sign us. That is a beautiful work of art wall. It really is. Cool.

Thank you. I got a game. Oh, yeah? Yeah, Tom came up with a good one. All right. Unless you have some more... No, nothing that can't. Like, these are evergreen.

They can last forever. All right. I got to break my phone out, though. Is that all right? Wow. You really took offense to that. No, I don't think I even have it. Oh, no.

Is it your teddy? It's all right. Hopefully it's in my notes on my iPad. Let's see. Ah, motherfucker. Okay, here we go. All right. What you need?

Oh, got it. That's your paper? No, I don't think so. So the game is called Franklin, Flanagan, or fake. Ben Franklin is known as giving some of the most sage advice in all of history. Well, Flanagan is known as giving some of the most sage advice in TSD Town. Can you tell which is which? One is Ben Franklin, one is Flanagan, and one is fake.

Can you spot the difference? Oh, this is fun. Yeah, this is good. So, Hugh, I thought you could read them. Okay. And then you and Bri figure out which one's the Ben Franklin, which one's mine. Some of them are going to be pretty obvious, I think. Sure.

No less profound, but a little bit more obvious. Some modern ones that you can't. Like when Gidim is mentioned by name, we knew what you. Some might be a little bit harder to decipher which one's Ben and which one's me. Sure. But I think I'll give Ben a run for his money. All right. It doesn't look like he could run very fast.

It's from what I remember. what it looked like. You look like an old woman. Prancing around with his fucking high, tidy whiteies and wait a minute and a fucking kite. All right.

All right. So number one is wealth. All right. Wealth. Number one, Brian, is Beware of little expenses. A small leak will sink a great ship. Quote two. Money

earned slowly is the only kind that stays to greet you in old age. And then three, money can get the ugliest dick sucked. So you definitely said one of these three. Yeah. Okay. All right. I said this at, I think probably Thanksgiving of 2018, you know, around the table.

You didn't weren't there, but my family heard this one. Oh, really? I broke this out on Thanksgiving. Okay. So then I'm going to say it's not ugly as dick sucks. Yeah, I'm going to say that's the fake one. Ben didn't say that. No, I'm only teasing.

I really did say it to my family. Oh, okay. Yeah, I was a little kidding around if you thought it was. Oh, and you thought it was the dick one. So which one is Ben, right off the bat? Ben is one. Okay. I feel.

I would agree with that, yeah. Which one was number one again? Beware of what's Ben Franklin. Yeah, we'll sink a great chip. Okay. That's Ben Franklin. I think money can get the ugly as dick sucked as Walt Flanagan. And two, while wise is...

The big one. Yeah, that's what I think. What do you think? I agree with that. All right. We know a guy growing up in high school named Ben Franklin. Yeah. What a weird thing to name your kid like.

Yeah. Benny, they called. Benny, yeah. Benny Franklin. He wasn't, he won't go down in maybe world history. He's being remembered as fondly as Benjamin Franklin. But there's two guys at this table who probably have more. Way more memories and knowledge about Benny Franklin and Ben Franklin.

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And you are both correct. All right. No less wise. Money can get the ugliest dick sucked. It's wise, wise, wise. True today.

True a thousand years ago. True a thousand years from now. I think that even, you know, you can say even in caveman times. the guy with the most wealth or whatever that may be may not have been like pelts the savitude tiger he was getting it shine too yeah for sure everybody else is jealous you know he had five maybe he had more fires burning yeah you know yeah his cave was warmer oh and then all the women just came they lined up outside like it was a club in manhattan do you think that uh when you think about it though when you think of sexual practices back then do you think that was something that was like something

that that a guy wanted done? I don't think so. I doubt Caveman times. No, I would think that they weren't interested in, uh, they didn't have enough time to figure out of shit. It's a harder sell, too, than a fucking cock that's never once been washed. Yeah, it's a pretty radiant smelly.

Shaved up or anything. It's a hard sell. Or do you think it like, you know, that I'll preface this by saying it was the times. Yeah. But maybe he didn't even ask. So you're saying that the dudes didn't reciprocate either. No.

No way. Lucky that didn't kill him right after. How's it? This man at his freest, he didn't give a shit. Not even the freakiest of freak cavemen? I don't know. Who knows when Kinks entered the equation? That's interesting.

They were too busy, fucking worried about the saber-toothed tiger and the fucking, you know, entering the lair. They didn't have time to get all busy and get all into it. I bet you anil entered the fray before. for oral. Yeah. Right, but you can't have your head buried in a snatch, though, when you've got to look out for dinosaurs and shit. Yeah, you got to keep your eyes up.

Dinosaurs. You can't forget all it to lose yourself. And all of a sudden, you got a fucking T-Rex fucking standing over you. Yeah. Because you were so busy fucking trying to. What were those cavewoman pusses like? I don't know. Harry.

Oh, for sure. Talk about a pelt. Oh, rough. Yeah. Rough. I think chaco would a snatch. I often do. All right.

Number two. Quotes on friendship. Quote number one. The realization that most friends are opportunists will have you appreciating your dog more than ever. Number two. be slow in choosing a friend slower and changing three a true friend speaks the truth even when silence would be easier

wow those are tough those are tougher than the first ones yeah the dick one I knew was gonna fucking definitely like I don't think Ben Franklin even I don't even think dicks were even talked about back then I don't even think anybody referred to their manhood as a dick probably back then

I wonder what it was A Johnson, wasn't it? It's always been a Johnson? That's a dawn of time. Yeah, the first words uttered by fucking that caveman. Yeah, suck my Johnson. I mean, really, like, as if like it's not enough for a Johnson to be a euphemism for a cock, but also they give me the initials BJ.

Yeah. Like, they're really fucking trying to, like, pile it on. Or, like, subconsciously, when you say your name to women, like, you're putting it into their head, like... I don't think so. No. That hasn't proven... That's a real subconscious thing. Oof.

So, wait. All right. The realization that most friends are opportunists will have you appreciating your dog more than ever. Number two, be slow in choosing a friend, slower and changing. three, a true friend speaks truth when silence would be easier. This is tough. If I feel like, okay, if I'm to guess, I think the third one is Walt. Okay.

What was the third one? Speaks truth when silence would be easier. The second one, that was. Be slowly choosing a friend, slower. Okay, yeah. I think that's been frankly on the first one. I think is fake. I think that there's a red herring that Tom threw out.

Okay. I'm going to do a flipsky of that. I'm going to do one is Walt, two is Franklin, three is Tom. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So, Ben Franklin? Yeah.

Be slow in choosing a friend, slower and changing. We both got that, right? Okay. Are we keeping score over there, get him? No. No, I thought that's what you wanted to get your up a pen or... I went to the bathroom. Oh, okay.

Well, here, here's a right on the back of that. Oh, you don't have red on you? No. No. Oh. Okay. So Ben Franklin was be slow in choosing a friend, slower and changing. Right.

Mine? Yeah. The horrible realization that most friendships are opportunities. Damn, good, Kew. All right. Have you appreciating your dog more than ever? Nice. Yeah, I never heard Ben Franklin talk about dogs.

I heard him talk about eagles. I heard him talk about turkeys. Never heard him talking about dogs. No. But I hear Walt talk about those fairly frequent. Quite a bit, yeah. Which is why I understand why you thought it was a red herring. Right.

Now, I'm not sure if Tom, what the fake ones, if Tom made up all the fake ones, and he fucking is wasting his time being on a podcast because this is shit that needs to be collected. Should be a philosopher? Yeah, he should be collected in a book. These fake ones are pretty damn good, unless he just grabbed fake quotes from other people. Yeah, I know, Tom. I don't know. You know, he also runs a MRI clinic.

Yeah. Okay. But I'm even wasting his time doing that too, though, because he's definitely today's greatest philosophic philosopher. Philosopher? Philosophical mind. All right. So up until this point, what were the scores?

It's two. It's two. I have two. Q has two. I have one. What about the first round with, that was, we both got that one. We've both got that one. We've both.

Okay. So we're going on to what, time? Time. Quotes on time. All right. Brian. Okay. Lost time is never found again.

Number two, time, like a good guest, rarely announces when it is leaving. And number three, time travel would allow the correction of countless haunting mistakes as well as a hell of a lot of dead babies. Okay. So lost time is never found again. Time like a good guest rarely announces when it is leaving. And time travel leads a lot of dead babies. Well, I think three is Wal. Yep.

One and two. Ben Franklin are, I mean, they're both like, yeah. They're both, yeah, it could be either one. Old time and wisdom. Yeah. I'm going to go two Ben Franklin, then one fake. Okay, interesting.

I was going to go one Ben Franklin, two fake, three Waltz. Okay. So we flipped it again. Franklin, last time is never found again. God, damn. All right. And, yeah, I did the time travel one. Okay.

So time travel allowed the correction of countless haunting mistakes as well as a hell of a lot of dead babies. Right? I mean, that's all we ever hear about is like if you're going to time travel, you almost, it's like you're expected to kill an evil baby. Yeah. Right. What are you doing with your time machine if you don't kill an evil baby? Absolutely. I think you're absolutely not using it to its fullest if you're not going to at least try to murder a few people.

infants before you come back to the present time. Of course. Well, who's number two? Let's say time travel does happen. Hitler's got to go first. Well, Hitler's already done. Somebody time travel there and got Hitler already. So you're number two.

Nobody ever thinks of their number two, really. You might have to go to like history that doesn't really bother Americans. Like World War II, we're all about. But if you get like a South American dictator or someone like that that's killed, someone that Americans wouldn't even know the name of. Like Pol Pot or like Joseph Stalin, any of the other. Bin Laden, would he be... Do you get the sense that somebody would have done something eventually?

Like Bin Laden, like somebody over there was going to cause that trouble. That's like a whack-a-mole over there. You kill one guy, another guy with the same name pops up and starts doing shit. Like, I don't know. I don't know on that scale, though. I don't know on that grand of scale as 9-11. So, yeah, I would think... I also think, though, let's say, you know, time travel is created.

I think about time travel. If it was created and it was doable and you could like book an excursion in time, I think that like the internet would probably be, let's say it's real expensive, most likely it would be to do a book a trip. I think the internet would fucking have, and rightfully so, have a bone to pick that only rich patriarchal men are allowed to go back and change history now because they have the means and the fun.

So you better kill a baby while. you're back there else, you know. Well, you can make a list. You're going to go back, at least fucking do something for the good if you meant. You don't think Oprah could time travel? She could. Okay. Yeah.

But most of the time. But I think most of the exterians, I don't know if women would want to go back. I think they're wise enough not to go back and try to change time. I think dudes are more likely to be like, I know I can fix shit. Let me go back in time and I'll fix it. But I probably make it way worse. But I think they'll be able to fix it. Women are wiser.

You're saying women with you're sucking up to them. Hitler live? Is that the headline here? No, I'm saying that women would let Hitler off the hook? Well, well, well. No, no, no. Don't put words in my mouth. I said that women would know that going back in time to try to fix mistakes would be an unwise move.

Even in your own life, say? Yeah, I think that even in their own lives, they would prefer to live with their mistakes rather than try to have this get out of jail or this big eraser that, is going to wipe out from existence, even their biggest mistakes. I think that they're more willing to live with them than men are. Yeah. Well, you've got to figure like, let's say, are you. No, you don't agree with that.

Or are you pondering? I don't know if you're pondering. I think it's pretty obvious. I don't know. I think, I don't know. Dudes automatically think that they could fucking fix something. Yeah, I agree with that. You know, yeah, without even hesitation, they're like, I'll book that time trip.

Oh, fuck. I got caught cheating on my wife. I'd go book that time. Oh, well, shit like that. Yeah, yeah, I got caught. Let me go back in time and never have the affair. Or be more careful about having the affair. How does she find out?

Let me go kill my mistress as a baby. That's what a dude will do. That's funny. All right, so what were us scores from that round? The Q only gets points on that. And Brian, I think Q gets two. I told we were getting points for the whole thing, for getting all three right.

Yeah, okay. Yeah, okay. So only Q gets points. So Q has two, I got one. I have three. Oh, you got three. I got one. I have three.

Sorry about that. Quotes on knowledge. An investment in knowledge pays the best interest. Number two, ignorance can kick knowledge's ass. Three, he who learns only for, books builds a house with one wall. I'm going to go ahead to say number two is wall.

Okay. Ignorance can kick knowledge his ass. Yep. It does sound like something you'd say. Also very wise. I'm going to say number one is Ben and the number three is the fake one. Okay. I am going to agree with you on that.

Full agreement. Full agreement. One is Benjamin Franklin. Two is ignorance. Can kick knowledge his ass as Walt. And three is top. Tom. Ben Franklin, investment in knowledge pays the best interest.

Nice. And you were correct. Ignorance can kick knowledge his ass. And I fully believe that. Yeah. Because I had to sit down last night when Tom presented this game to me. It's like, I've got to come up with quotes now that are on par with fucking Benjamin Franklin. Yeah.

I think I hit one here. I think you did. I think it's so fucking true that like ignorance. Yeah. I mean, we don't care about knowledge anymore. Well, what's that say? It's like a rumor. Rumor could spread around the world before truth even gets out of bed.

I was going to use that, but I figured you guys heard that one before. Yeah. But yours is better. Ignorick can acknowledge his ass. I mean, think about it. And this is fucking around the globe. This is just that in America. Yeah. People want the easiest path.

Yeah. And we'll beat the shit out of the truth. Well, it's like me with Vince McMahon. I'm like, I don't know what went on. I'm just going to watch wrestling. You know how hard it was not to drop that during that conversation? Really? I knew we're playing this game, so I had to keep quiet.

So, point for each. Point for each. Yeah, I'm wondering, are any of these t-shirts? Like, are any of these, like, where I can have industry where I'm, like, making big money where it's on mugs? Yeah, I think so. And fucking T-shirts. Don't worry, be happy. Yeah.

I think so. All right, what's next? Okay, one. A hot temper. it cools nothing but your own good judgment. Two, if anger fueled creativity, there wouldn't be enough museums on the planet to house all its masterpieces.

And number three, anger is never without reason, but seldom with a good one. So hot temper cools nothing with your own good judgment. Anger fuels creativity. There wouldn't be enough museums on the planet. And anger is never without a reason, but seldom a good one. I'm going, Ben Walt fake.

Ben Walt fake. Yeah, that was where I was going too. Yeah, Ben Walthyke. Okay. Correct across the board. All right. Wee. Have you ever used anger and pointed it to become creative?

You know, I've certainly had a lot of creative revenge schemes over the years. So, yeah, I would say so. Oh, but you're so. schemes though to To hurt somebody That you were angry You were angry with

Shitting on a grave Sure, shitting on the grave That plan is still in play Yeah I don't know if that's You know Is that that creative Taking to them That's a that's a

On a grave That may not be The kind of creativity I was talking about No No I mean Well then no

I have to withdraw my Because I can look back in TSD history and how I was thinking about it. How many things were made out of I was angry at some one years ago. Well, I mean, that made me so mad that

I was like, I was like, right on the bat where you had everybody sending Ming's shit pictures. Not so Super Bowl. That was the first one. Yeah. There was other ones. Like the, remember the Aunt Jersey? It was green and black and white. Yes. Totally created because I was angry

at a comp troller. I won't, that which will remain nameless. Comptroller. Is that the right print comptroller? You got it. He made a comment to me that I was just like, yeah, that I was like, all right, and I funneled my anger towards creating a logo for the aunt. That's pretty good. Yeah, I've done it a couple times.

Elephants in a room. Yeah, Elephants were all about anger? It was all about anger. I tried to make sure I channeled it. Is it a fine line? It's a fine line. It's a fine line between anger and pettiness. Is this the most quotable TSD ever?

So you were angry at me and wanted me to stick my head up a fake out of his ass? No, no, not at all. But the whole creative process was fueled because I didn't want to sit and simmer. So I was like, let me just take it and point it in a different direction. I wish I could do that. Yeah, it's hard to do. I can't always do it. I'm destructive, not creative.

What were you simmering about what elephants? Probably the same person. Same person, different day. Yeah, there it is. Yep. And what you were told that those, what was it that sent you to anger? Just a comment about my lack of foresight about something, I think, that I should have known better about, about, something that was benefit, even though it was beneficial to the company, I should have known

that, um, to plan it better. Uh-huh. So I was like, I'm going to plan something and it's only going to be for us. Nice. That's what you get then. That's a classic that jersey. It's a great jersey and a fucking elephants in the room is great. Yeah.

Anger might be your, uh, your muse. Every once in a while. Oh, that's good too. Yeah. Anger is my muse. Anger is your muse. How's that spelled? Well, if I want to make all the money on it,

M-U-S-E. I don't have to pay the other guy. Any of a cent. Those guys are fucking, they've ramped up their, their merch is everywhere now, huh? Kevin got back into the swing of, like, they're opening weed shops, doing all sorts of stuff.

Pretty, pretty amazing stuff over there. All right, quotes on work. Diligence is the most. Pay attention over there, get him. Wipe the tears out of your eyes. Diligence is the mother of good luck. Two, the man who rises early meets opportunity before it dresses. That's definitely not well.

Why? Because you don't rise early. No, but it could be early. I just read it out. I feel like there's something else going on. Once again, I feel you and I are stuck in some mechanism that we're not aware of its true purpose. It's not really a game. Yeah, I'm starting to think it's not a game anymore.

For some people, but not for us. Because the third quote, there's a reason you and I have gotten every one of Walt's quotes correct so far, and I don't know what it is yet. Because this is the third quote, is it Walter Ben Franklin? You can pour every bit of your body and soul into a job for two thirds of your life, only to find you'll be replaced and forgotten in less than a month. No. So this is a personal. This seems like hangars once again in the driver's seat. I'm using it creatively.

Yeah, okay. Kind of using you in a creative way rather than a destructive way. Right, okay. Getting it out in a different way, you know. This game has become who's been and who's fake. So what do you think, Brian? One or two is Benjamin and three, obviously, is Walt. Oh, this is work.

Okay, diligence is the mother. Good luck. The mother. I'm going to say, well, three is Walt. I'm going to say two is Ben and then one. is fake. All right. That's where I was going to. Fake Ben Walt.

Okay. Ben Franklin was diligent. Okay. Is the mother of good luck. Franklin was, uh, was it, early to bed, early to rise, I think, or? Well, I figure he gets said multiple things. But yeah. Do you not agree with my, uh, quote, though?

I think more people than not find, when they find that out, it's, uh, it's a harsh truth. But it is a truth, and it almost has to be that way, I feel. Like, the world will carry on and forget you. Yeah, I guess it. Make no bones about it. You will be forgotten and replaced. I mean, eventually, sure, like after you die and it's been a while, but like, your quote there really is saying, like, you're not waiting until you die.

It's like, you're a month later and you're already, like, far from people's memories. You're almost dead. Right. Yeah. It is a form of death. I would say you can still be. You can still be missed, and you probably are missed. By whom?

By whom? Other people? I don't know. I think it's the rare person that everybody gets replaced. Everybody. There's not a person on a planet that won't be replaced. The cemeteries are filled with indispensable men. Oh.

Yeah. Did that you? No, somebody, that's a famous quote. Oh, it's going to take that too. The cemeteries are filled with indispensable men. Oh, God, is there anything more harsh than that? I find it freeing. You don't find it freeing?

No, I find it sad. I find it, though, it has to be that way or for the world to carry on. But, boy, that's tough. Boy, that's a tough pill to swallow. You could put everything into something and boom. It happened. I mean, it's like you hear about, like, guys in the, the 60s and the 70s like businessmen who like they they work for the company forever and at the

end they get like some little like watch or something gold watch yeah and then that's it yeah it's like they poured like 40 years of their life into it you know yeah but that's even better getting the gold whoever this this quote about uh only to find you'll be replaced if we got a month it doesn't sound like that person got a gold watch no i don't think so and i think the gold watch definitely not wearing it if they did yeah i feel like the gold watch goes a long way towards like making you feel appreciated. Yeah. I do.

You know. I think the gold watch is just a token, a meaningless token. That's better than a boot in the ass. I don't know. No? I don't know. I feel it's not. Don't insult me with this.

It has no real. So it doesn't matter whether you get fired, replaced and forgotten on the bad circumstances, or if you do 35 years of the job and get a nice gold watch and a party at the end, they're both the same. Yeah, I think that, like, I think maybe you need to, like, if you're going out. Yeah. Maybe, like, I read this online, there was a lady who won the lottery and she's shit on her boss's desk. Yeah.

You know, maybe you're, she's not going to be forgotten. They will talk about her long after she's dead. They sure will, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that is a lady. Yeah. Well, I don't know if she's a lady. But she's a person who left a fucking mark.

Yeah. That will... A skidmark. That will not soon be forgotten. Much like your plant on the grave. Well, nobody will know about that. Only the guy who takes care of the cemetery is going to be like, oh. And I'll come in here.

A dog in here. Wait a second. It'll be a fun day when I get to come in here and be like, guys. There it is. There's a story. It wasn't... Oh, wow. Yeah.

I wondered if it was some sort of AI. Oh, it is false. Oh, it says false. Oh, God damn it. Wait, and I also said you won $3 million. I'm sorry. You are not chitting on your boss's desk. after winning only $3 million.

Really? You're going to need that job. $3 million to take taxes right away half. Fucking taxes. If you live in New York on the MAM-DOMBOR. They're probably taking 75% percent. So you better clean that up quick before the boss gets in. I love him where her mind does that, but I don't,

3 million isn't as much as people think it is. There's a great line in Succession. Did you watch Succession, the HBO show? Yeah. There's a great line where I think Greg has five. million dollars and Tom is like five million dollars is the worst amount of money because it's just enough to not give a shit about working anymore but not enough to live for the rest of your life but you're like oh man that's a pretty good line

quote so there's no score on that one no score all right pride pride breakfasted with plenty dined with poverty and supped with infamy okay I'm gonna repeat that again pride breakfast with plenty dined with poverty and supped with infamy. I don't quite get my head around that one. I don't understand that one. Yeah, that's a tough one, right? Pride is more often than not found

in the same zip code as narcissism. And pride builds a ladder. No one else is willing to climb. Wow. Okay, these are, these are, I don't understand all these quotes except for number two. I'm going to, and it has the word zip code in it,

so I'm going to apply that to Walt Flan again. Oh, come on, Ben Franklin, inventing. the Dewey Decimal System and Zip codes. Yeah. Right? I think Dewey. To develop the DeWy Dossol system. It's like one is so, like it's, I can't understand it, so I feel like it's Ben Franklin.

I kind of feel the same way, right? Like that's some fucking old era shit that we don't understand. So we're going to both do one, Ben, two, Walt, three, Tom's false. Correct across the board. Nice. I do feel there's a thin line between Pride. Oh, sure. Yeah.

Like if you better, you better be careful because if you get too prideful, then you just sound like a narcissist. Pride go with before the fall, bro. Yeah. It's dangerous stuff. Okay. Health. Okay. Early to bed.

Early to rise. Makes a man healthy, wealthy, and wise. I thought that was Bugs Bunny. Two. A body neglected accrues debts the doctor must collect later. Very wise. And then number three, surely a man's health is measured if he still awakens each morning with a piss boner. That's definitely bad.

I'm saying one is Ben, two's fake, three's walt. Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and agree with you. Correct. Across the board. Wow, all right. If you're still getting piss boners. Yeah. I had one this morning.

I was very happy to cancel that doctor's appointment. Yeah. You're all. I was walking down. I got out of bed. I got out of bed. I was sitting at the floor. I was walking towards the bathroom down the hall, and I looked down and, lo of a hold. Who's looking back at me?

I didn't even have an apple yesterday. What's going on here? I was like, what's morning, buddy? We're doing this? It's like, let's do it. Stand on your head, take a fist. That's not every morning, you know? No, that's what I say.

It's weird that we both had one this morning. Yeah, that's why I wrote it. Like, your ten is they're up. It's communicating. It's like I'm repotting today. Yeah. We both realized. Is that what did it subconsciously?

Maybe. Because I was struggling for the health one, and then I said, oh, yeah, I had a piss boner. That's pretty good. Usually, in your 20s, they're annoying as fuck. Right, yeah, you can get rid of it. So I remember having morning sex frequently in my 20s, and now it's like, get out of here. Get out of here.

Between 6.30 and 8 o'clock at night. Let's do this. Are you piss boner? Come on. Uh, foolishness. No, wait. Speech. Oh,

at the bottom, yeah. Yes. Uh, speech? Yeah, it got clip. Okay. One, speak little, do much. That's quote number one. Speak little.

Do much. Uh, two, nothing can, nothing can fuck your shit up quicker than using the wrong words. And three, words are cheapest when they are spent before thinking. Hmm. I have an order in my head. Go ahead. I'm going to say Ben Walt Tom.

Ben Walt fake. Well done is better than well said. No. Oh, up here. Up here. I'm sorry. Okay. Speak a little, do much.

Nothing. Okay. Yeah, I agree with you. Franklin Walt Tom. Yeah. Correct. Wow, man. I think we only missed one.

I think I missed two. What's the score here? Yeah, score is 8 to 6. Okay, okay. Do you agree with that sentiment that, you know, if you want to fuck your world up, just say the wrong thing online or on a podcast? Considering I've seen at least two or three friends of mine get felled by saying the wrong thing at the wrong time and seeing how it's fucked up their lives and their family's lives

and their careers and reputations for a fucking joke. Yeah, I would say nothing to fuck your shit up quick and then using the wrong words. It just depends on who's deciding whether the wrong or right words. You know? Who decides what are the wrong words? I mean, the internet does.

Apparently so. Well, they used to. They still can, bro. I agree. Oh, yeah. Say the wrong thing, and you've done. Respect that internet, bro. Oh, I do.

Why do? Respect it. It should be a way different show if I didn't. Battered the Internet before you go to bed. I pray to it. The show would be way more popular. But anyway. Foolishness, right?

Yep. A foolish man spends quickly what wisdom would have hidden. Good quote. Good quote. A fool in his money assumed parted. That's a popular one, right? That's an all-timer. Like, everybody knows that quote, right?

A fooling his money soon parted. To get by in this world, you have to accept. You will have to fool yourself often, if not daily. What do you think, Brian? I'm going to go, where is it again? Okay. Fake Ben Wall. Fake Ben Wall.

I will say, I would like for that famous quote to be Ben Franklin, so I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to swap it. I'm going to say fake Franklin, Walt. So what was the order again? What was the first? Brian says one is Franklin. No, one is fake. Oh, then we're on the same thing.

Yeah, we're on the same thing. Fake Ben. Okay, so Ben Franklin was a fool in his money or soon parted. Okay, so we got this right. Fake one was a foolish man spends quickly what wisdom would have hidden. Yeah, yeah. All right, we got that one. Do you abide again, buy, or do you disagree?

Yeah, I think so. on all of them, actually. You have to fool yourself daily to make it. Because you have to fool yourself that anything you do matters? I think there's a whole bunch of shit you've got to fool yourself on to not go crazy or to not just give up at times. That's probably a big part of religion, right? Everybody fooling themselves that there's an afterlife and you'll be judged by the good and bad that you do.

I mean, that's a way to look at it if you're if you're not religious. Yeah, that would be. I would think so. But if you were, but if you were saying if you're fooling yourself, if you are religious, though, you're saying. Yeah. Oh, okay. I don't know. I don't know if I agree with that one.

Well, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's an example of like. But the older I get, the more I'm like, I don't know. Hey, God, what's up? Hey, how you been, buddy? Hey, God, it's me, cute. Are you listening? Yeah.

Secrets. This is a juicy one. Oh, secrets I like. Okay. One. No sound of sleep is had by those who harbor no secrets. I think that's a,

I think what it means to say is no sound of sleep has had. By those who harbor no secrets. Yeah. It's said weird, but right. Right. Okay. You have no secrets to sleep well. Three may keep a secret if two or two

dead, very famous quote. And then a secret shared is a burden you've asked someone else to drop. Oh, that's good. This is a tougher one. Yeah, this is a There's no modern things in it, no curses, no bitterness. And while I

The zip code talk. The, uh, I feel like the second one has Ben Franklin, but it's only because it's a famous quote. I'm not sure if you actually said it. Yeah. I'm trying to figure out the fake versus Walt because they're both good. I'm going to say number one is Walt. All right.

I'm going to say one's fake, two's Ben, and three is Walt. Three is Walt, huh? Okay, so I'm going to go one wall, two, Ben, three fake. This is exciting. Okay, so Ben Franklin. Yeah? Three may keep a secret if two of them are dead. Right.

Flanagan, no sound or sleep is had by those harbored no secrets. Caught up. All right. One of the two. Mm-hmm. We're getting close to the end. Well, actually, there's only one more. There's one left, so you could still tie.

I could still tie, yeah. Okay. I really was hoping you thought the burden one was yours because I like that. I like that quote. That is Tom. We'll give Tom some credit. Unless he's looking at shit up too. Yeah, I'm assuming he's going to.

Not Tom, not my Tom. If you make a T-shirt, does he get a split down? No. The answer's enough. Okay, quotes on success, the final one. Right. Quote one, well done is better than well said. Great advice. Two, the harsh truth is only someone else can measure your success. I don't agree with that at all. And three, success arrives quietly, but excuses always knock loudly. Hmm. I think one's been. That's always going to say. I'm having a trouble with the other two, though.

Yeah. Well, you. Pick one. I'll pick the opposite, just so we have a race here. All right. I'll pick number two is Walt and number three is fake. Okay. So we're both on, Ben, on one. I'm saying three is Walt. Okay. Franklin, well done, is better than well said. All right. Now, here we go. Will it tie up?

Would you rather have the fake or the Flanagan? Well, the Flanagan. The harsh truth is only someone else can measure your success. Wow. Tied it up. Tide it up at the end. Tied it up. I came in. And you said you didn't agree with that. No, I don't agree with that at all.

I think that misses the mark completely. I think success is what you set out to do and how you feel about it when you got it or didn't get it, you know? Yeah, I feel personally that I have a hard time accepting success so I fear that I look to see if other people deem it a success that I will. Huh. you wonder if other people feel you're successful? No, no.

Let's say if you put something out there into the world and it, I think it really depends upon the reaction of other people. Wow, I can't disagree more. Will determine if I feel it as successful or not. I think on some level that's true. I think what you're talking about, not talking about personal things like a marriage or something. I'm talking about like things you put out there in the native sense. Yeah. I mean, I guess, but if you look at Joker's Wild, the ratings were really good.

It was just wildly rejected across the board. Had a great lead in, right? Yeah, it was us. I don't know. It's a tough one. I, like, I'm writing this, like, I told you, I'm like, I'm cracking away this novel, right? And sometimes that means a month, a page a month, sometimes it's, That means, like, you know, I'll write 10 pages, whatever, in a week or whatever.

But, like, as I'm writing it, I sit there and I go, I don't even know if I want to put this out. I'm like, do I even care? Like, and I... But is that the human condition as you're fail safe to fall back on so you don't have to let it out there to be critiqued? I don't think so. I think I'm in a pretty unique position because I'm used to people liking what I make. So I don't know that I fear, you know what I mean? I don't know if I put it out there.

I don't know. I just think it doesn't matter to me. And if it doesn't matter to me, why even bother putting it out? Because that's when the work starts. Then you got to promote it. Then you got to fucking talk people into buying it. Then you got to talk to people about it.

But the part that I enjoy is sitting there. Yeah. Like just thinking and making myself laugh as I'm writing something that surprises me. And that doesn't go away. Like if I have the best time writing this thing and it takes me two years and I have the best time doing it and I never release it. and I never release it, to me, that's still a success. Or if I have the best time writing it, release it does well, that's just gravy.

If I have a good time and I release it and it doesn't do well, there's still going to be people who enjoy it. And I'll just be like, those people enjoy it. Who gives a shit? I think it just comes from what you're trying to get out of it. Like, if it's like, I want to make money, then yeah. You don't think that most things deems successful the public. has the biggest hand on whether that is true or not. Well, commercially, sure.

Yeah, commercial success, yes. Yeah. Well, there's no denying that. The measure of commercial success is if it's successful, you know, financially, but how much is that even really, like Q.S., it's like, I don't make money off that. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's, it's, the amount of money that I, that I'll take home after both years is,

like, you would literally be like, why are you even buying? bothering to do this. And that's not, it's not the point of it. You know what I mean? It's like, I want to get down there. I want to get the comedians down there.

I want to show Key West to people. So it's just an enormous success. But what if, what if the opposite happened? What if, you know, people weren't happy after they left? Then I would feel I didn't succeed

in what I wanted to do. Okay. Yeah. But you still had a good time, though. I had a blast. Even though, other people are saying

they didn't have a good time, though, but you still have a good time. Well, I would feel bad that they didn't because I wanted them to have a good time. It was like my personal goal in it. Yeah. But at the same time, like,

Jiggy's always like, you got to go on that Facebook thing. Like, everybody's so happy, it'll, it'll make you feel good to read it. And there's a party that's like, I don't know if I want to go online

and read people saying nice things about me. Like, or bad things. Like, I don't know, but I did, but you know what? I did go on and look

it did make me feel better. Not better, but it made me feel good. So I guess, I guess that's just still my own metric, right? I don't know. What do you think?

I don't know. Yeah. It's a tough one. Yeah. But, like, if you wanted to write a script and that's what you wanted to do and you did it, you succeeded. You succeeded in doing it. Personally, yeah.

Sure. Yeah. I mean, I'm not discounting that achievement. Like, let's say you wanted to do it and you finally do it and you complete it. And, yeah. But at the end of the day, though, like, it does, if you. like somebody else's opinion on it, you know, will determine its true success, though. Yeah, but look at the people who are giving you their opinion.

Like, there's a lot of great people in the world, but there's a lot of fucking shitheads in the world. And like, the shitheads love sharing their opinion. Oh, well, like, you know, you're going to the negative side. I'm talking about, let's say someone feels confident enough in your work that they purchase it or they, They acquire it. They feel strongly enough in it that they feel there's, it demands a wider audience.

That is also an indication of success. Other people have deemed it. Right. No denying. But you, I think it's up to you to decide whether that matters to you or what matters to you. That was my problem with this quote because it says only someone else could measure your success. I think it's the opposite. I think, yeah, I think I'm going to anger some people with that one.

But that's what, that's what, uh, quotes are four, right? Absolutely. Get people riled up. Right. I mean, some are meant to inspire. And if it doesn't inspire you, maybe you have to look inward. Why didn't it inspire me?

Right. Isn't that last one like external validation that other people find it? Validation. External validation. So it's not, you know, as opposed to just validation. Internal validation. Like, you know, you believe it's good enough, but, you know, you require this other people to. But it wasn't all good enough, though.

If you put it out there for, if you put it out there and try to. get it picked up by, let's say, a studio or a comic book company or whatever, and it was rejected. At the end of the day, it wasn't. It doesn't mean that the, it can be an amazing piece of artwork, but just because no one feels it's marketable. If it's amazing, somebody somewhere will, will think that they can make money off of it. How many people in their time are not considered successful and then only after their deaths? Grandma Moses? Tons of artwork.

That at the time was not seen. or appreciate it for what it was. And then under new light... Post-mortem. Yeah. It becomes, oh, my God, this person was a genius. And it gets recognized. Yeah, poor grandmamma Moses, though, that, you know,

like she wasn't here to see it, though. Yeah. When I lived in L.A., I wrote a script. And I was writing for dimension at the time, and they hipped me to some guys at an agency. So I sent him the script, didn't hear back. hey, what did you think a week later? Didn't hear back, didn't hear back.

To me, that I was like, that was not successful. Yeah. Even though I wrote the script and even though I liked it, I figured, I felt like that external validation or that like, yeah, if it's good enough, somebody will want to buy it. This is one guy who read it. Yeah, who knows? It's like, but it's not even, there's so many more factors going into the decision to buy it that have nothing to do with what you did or what you wrote. Yeah, at the time he may have been looking for a different kind of script. That's it.

Or his best friend could have just handed him a script and he's like, I can only pick one. I'm not even, you know what I mean? Like it might have nothing to do with your thing. Like I just pitched this TV show that like everybody was so excited about Warner Brothers. This is like within the last like month. Warner Brothers is excited about then the Paramount Warner Brothers thing happened. Right away people start losing their jobs. And they're like, well, we're not even going to bother.

going forward with this because we don't even know if this department's going to be here. And I was able to turn around and say, after I got off that phone call, where they were like, they're not going ahead with it. Do you want to pitch it somewhere else? I was like, yeah, I'm good. I was like, you know what? I was like, honestly, if they had said, yes, that's the second my problems would have started. I was like, that's that it.

I was like, now, like, I did the fun ball. You're a successful man, though. Sure, but that just means that I have a perspective on both sides of it. Yeah, but like a successful man obviously has rejection. Room to not give a fuck. Yeah, well, but also has, he's had, he's dealt with rejection. Oh, constant. Right.

And now, now you have a little bit more wisdom and a little bit, a different perspective. Yes. And this allows you to have that mindset because of your successes, though. I think they may, they blunt the pain. That's true. Without a day. There's zero pain. There was zero pain.

Yeah, yeah, it's literally like... But if you're a guy who's like been fighting for 10, 20 years to like get something made and they just keep going, they keep writing, they keep pitching and they never get anything done, it's like, that's a guy who I can imagine like doesn't feel successful. Right, right. But again, it's... So what you're saying is actually kind of just validating what I'm saying is it's such an individual perspective on it that other people can't really decide, you know? No. Because maybe the gig for that guy who never got something made was, hey, I'm 25. I want to go to, I want to spend my 20s in L.A.

Trying to get this thing going, you know, going to bars, hanging out. You know what I mean? Like living that lifestyle. And then it doesn't work out. But like, you know, 10 years later when they're married with kids, they're still like, oh, man, that was a fucking great time when I was running around L.A. when I was 25. It's just, that's what I mean?

It's like, it's hard to put it in the hands of other people. But commercial success, couldn't agree more. Like, yeah, it's in the hands of other people. But I think it's a sucker's game to have that be your main concern. Okay. So I really want to, like, I want so badly. I want to pitch something to, pitch my work, not a project. I want to draw something for Marvel.

Yeah. Don't know. Probably will never happen. But can I really say that, like, well, like, how do I digest? that if it turns out, it never happens in. You did it for D.C.? Yeah, but I want to do it on my own, though. I don't want Kevin to be the guy that made it, facilitated that opportunity.

Have you produced something that is on par or better than things marble have put out? I'm not sure. Oh, the answers, yes. Yeah, that's not saying, yeah. So, you know, it's just, then it's just feelings. It's not object. It's not the abjects. Yeah, it's definitely emotion.

There have been people who have been blacklisted for maybe they said something wrong. And even though they're putting out quality work, the only reason they're not is because of feelings. I don't think that's the reason why I'm. No, no, I'm just saying this is other people. Well, maybe if they listen to the S. I mean, you can see stuff that Marbles put out and you can go, this is way under my, you know, subpart of what I'm producing. That goes back to what was the pride and zip code thing? Yeah, pride and narcissism shared the same zip code.

No, no, but it's a, it's a, it's a. It's not an objective thing. You can put up two panels and ask 100 people, which is the better panel, and they could say, you know, 99 can say it's yours. But you just didn't, you just for some. You got to convince that editor. Yeah. That you're worth taking a risk on that your work can sell. But like you said.

Yeah, but you have a body of work already. Like, well, I guess my question would be like, what are you doing to get the job at Marvel? Well, in 2027, I'm going to, I'm going to really push it. Okay. Well, that's awesome. Yeah. What's the now? 26.

You're going to try and get Marvel. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to make a concentrated effort. Why are you waiting? I want to get something that I'm working on under it, like done so I can show them like, okay, this is what I'm working on. This is what I'm capable of. I love to be able to work on.

Just one thing, one time. You have a way to get a foot in the door. That isn't Kevin. I would like to know, because I think a lot of people, that is a listener's assumption. I don't have a foot. Where is that foot? Where do I got to put that foot? same foot that got Teddy into the

top dog? My mom? Oh, the listener? Oh, the love. My mom? Can my son draw a picture for you? Hello Marvel Comics? This is Wolf Lattigan's mom. He's a good drawer. You should give him a book. Preferably the wearable book. He likes that wolf man. He'd love to do that. Do it. I'm going to call back. Don't make me come down there.

Okay. You say the listeners is my foot. It could be. It could be. Do I want to lean on that? Do I want to use that as a means to be like, like, then again, like have I accomplished it without, with a way that other people have just done it on merit? But part of you is what got those listeners. But not my artwork, though. Yeah, it's all, your artwork has gotten you, you know, you've used your artwork for Patreon. stuff. You know, it's part of your core, and it's part of why people like you because you are a great

artist. Oh, man, this guy's nose. You don't play it there out of a hell of a lot less lately. You should keep it there. You should keep it right where it's at right now. I don't know why you ever remove it. I comment all the time. It should look like Vince McMahon got at him. You should be wearing my crown. It's in the back I found it, I threw it out All of my wife found it Actually, what's this?

Oh, that's my kid of his crown. I thought Teddy had an accident No, yeah, I understand what you're saying. You know what? In 2027, if that, if it pushed, if it comes to that, I am willing to do it, but I would prefer not to be able to use that kind of... I don't think there's anything wrong with it, though.

I don't think it... I see what Walt's saying, though. Like, nepotism is different because that's, you know, you don't have a... Like, you were just born into it. But, like, being able to rally a fandom, you know... Yeah, I mean, I won't lie to the MLB. I'll try to... To kind of shine a light...

...convey to whoever's listening, or if I can even talk to somebody. Like, I can move a lot of units to this base. Yeah. Even if they don't want it, I could fucking use it as a patron. I'll get it anyway. That's just the truth. Yeah. Right?

I mean, I could just, you know, and then it's like, yeah, I can move a lot of units. And while I use that stick, yeah, probably will if I find myself not being able to garner it on abilities alone. I think it seems to work for other people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I see what you're saying, though, like Stephen King's son went by the name Joe Hill. Yeah. You know, because he didn't want anybody to be like, oh, I don't. That's just Stephen King's son.

And it worked. Like he was able to sell books on his own merit, you know? I mean, they weren't shy about getting it out there. That he was Stephen King. After that, yeah. He kind of knew that before I knew. Who was Richard Bachman? That was Stephen King.

Why did he do that? Because he was writing so much that they didn't want the market to be saturated with Stephen King's stuff. So he wrote his different people. How does that happen now that you? How are you able to produce that much? Who the fuck knows? Well, especially at that age. At that age, it was probably.

Coke. Really? Yeah, he was on Coke. And I think then he got it to a habit of writing like, well, maybe. I don't know. He's pretty prolific without the coke. He says he writes a minimum of 10 pages a day.

I mean, when you're doing an output like that, it's like... How many words is 10 pages? What is it? 380, 350 pages? 350 words to a page, so say 3,500 words? Sure. 3,500 words a page?

A day. For 10 pages, for 10 pages. 10 to 2,000 words a day are roughly 6 pages. That's a strict writing quote. Wait, say that again? A thousand to two thousand words a day are roughly six pages. Okay, so maybe slow down it. Because in his book, he was like, he wrote, he writes, he writes 10 pages a day.

Yeah, I saw an interview with him about that book. He's like, most of it was bullshit. Oh, really? What of it I just said? Yeah. I was like, that's great. He, but you know, Brian Lynch is like that. Brian Lynch is, nonstop.

I've never seen anything like it. And good machine. Machine isn't the word. He would, we'd be hanging out And he'd be like, I have an idea for a screenplay on a Thursday and Monday He'd be like, would you mind reading the screenplay? Yeah. Like he just, he's a machine.

It just comes out of him and it's good. Coke fueled? No, more like, I can't even say what it is. I wish I knew what it was. Drive. Yeah, it's just a talent drive. Yeah, he's. Like you got to get it out of you.

It's, yeah. Since I was a teenager, he's always been like, my guy of like, I'll never live, I'll never live up to this guy. So you feel you're the opposite. It's more pulling teeth for you? Oh, everything's pulling teeth for me. Everything. Everything.

No matter what it is. In your life, everything? Anything in the morning. I don't want it. Oh, poor guy. He's going to go off for too much pussy in the morning. I just woke up. Get this off my face.

No, everything is pulling teeth with me. always. I don't know why I've always been that way. I wish it wasn't that way. Why do you think? If you had to, if you had to point to one thing, why do you think that is? I think I'm like that. Because I feel like, at times it can feel like, oh, man, I'm trying to get something done. It's like, oh, it's pulling teeth trying to get this angle or this drawing that I want done.

And I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I would chalk it up more to an inability to deem it good enough. enough. No, it's not that because I'm a big fan of, like, vomit drafts. I love writing, like, just put out everything and then refine it later. So I never mind when a first draft shitty. I just think, like, I'm a grasshopper, man, you know? Well, they answer work, and there's somebody over there fiddling. I think I just like fiddling too much.

I would never. Yeah. I don't think anybody would look at you as the grasshopper. It's, dude, it is a tragedy of my life. It's a weird public perception is not that he's the grasshopper. Because I work my ass off. I don't want to. I know.

Trust me, I know grasshoppers. We should start a bluegrass band. You're not a grasshopper. The TST town is full of grasshoppers. I know. Everybody's fiddling. That's all we got. We are infested with grasshoppers.

I'm telling me, I'm a grasshopper. I'm a grasshopper. You ought to be a grasshopper, I think. Everything I've ever done, I've been dragged to do. You know, and I have a sense of responsibility to people, so I always trying to But now my natural state is like, fuck this. I'd rather sit in the yard and like feed the cats and like feed squirrels and not do anything. Did that come with when you got older and more successful?

No, no, the whole time. But that doesn't represent your reality, though. No, it doesn't. Well, because I'm not, you know. You say yes to everything, it feels like. No, I say no to a lot of stuff. Well, for us, it was just like with the show and the touring and stuff, it was like, You know, if somebody had asked me,

you're going to sign up for this thing that you're going to be doing for 16 years and counting and you're going to work your ass off for a full decade straight, it wasn't presented to me like that in the beginning. You know what I mean? Because there were years where we would work seven days a week for like five years in a row. It was insane. You guys, you know, and I just never,

I never enjoyed that aspect of it. There are people that Gada loves it, Gada loves that work, Murray loves that work. I don't. I remember when the show was first spoken about, there was a moment where it might have been sold to MTV and you guys weren't going to be on it.

Yeah. And I remember you were leaning towards that. I got out voted on that. I was like, let's just sell it to MTV. We won't be on it. You know, even the fireman thing, like, you know, we worked 48 hours a week, but cramped not at the two days. And then the other five days, I was off.

Did you fiddle? I was a fiddling all over the island. Were you fiddling at the fire station when you had to clean in the trucks? So were you just the back there fucking reading comics? No. When you got to work, you got to work. Okay. All right. And I know when it's time to work, I just don't. And I love being a fireman, and I was younger.

I was, you know, late 20s and shit like that. But if I wasn't at the firehouse, it was just fiddle, fiddle central, man. Man. Couldn't knock that fiddle out of your hands, huh? Yeah, I love that fiddle. All I want to do is fiddle. Charlie Daniels over here. Yeah, and the older I get, the less I want to fucking, all I want to do is fiddle.

Yeah. I think I wish I didn't fiddle. as much as I did. Like in my youth, I feel I would be much at a different stage of where I would like to be if I wasn't fucking fiddling around instead of wasting it time, you know? Yeah. I get that too. Yeah.

There's more regret. You know, I don't look back and enjoy that time. I was like, oh, I fucking watched 12 hours of King of the Queens straight. How much fun was it to watch King of Queens, though? I feel like to fuck out of my life. It would have been there anyway. There were other times I could have watched. shit. Yeah. You know, I shouldn't have to

just sit there and drink chocolate milk and watch King of Queens every night. I agree. It's a fucking party. Drink chocolate milk and watch King of Queens. It doesn't sound that bad. It doesn't sound bad. That's the problem. Yeah, but video games. I'll play video games

for hours. I just, in the last month, I beat Resident Evil 4, 7, 8, 9. And these are like 30-hour games. What happened to five and six. They didn't do a remake of them, so I didn't want to replay them

with the old graphics and shit. So how many hours is devoted to that achievement? I mean, 100, 100, something hours. And that's me playing from like 10 at night to like three in the morning and then getting up for work at like seven the next day and stuff like that. I need that fiddle time.

If I don't get that fiddle time. You're no use to anybody. Was that? You're no use to anybody if you don't get your fiddle time? I get resentful. I do. I get resentful. I'm like, why the fuck?

am I just doing this? Where are I fiddling? Where is my fiddle? Get my fiddle. Yeah, yeah. Wow. I can fiddle with the best of them, maybe. I don't know.

We got some pros in TSD. Yeah, no. We got some fucking, we got some Hall of Fame fiddlers here. Tell them, Steve, Dave.