Ten Percent Happier with Dan Harris - 104: Adam Levin, X Ambassadors Drummer

Episode Date: October 18, 2017

As the X Ambassadors' fame grew, drummer Adam Levin noticed he was always waiting for something to go wrong. With more success, came more anxiety, "and that's not a fun way to live," he said. Levin talks about how the rock star life drove him to meditation, as well as how the band works together, what lead singer Sam Harris goes through to care for his voice, and why Levin thinks the band's next album is "the best work" they've "ever done." See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I'll be honest. I don't know how this podcast came about. The XM Bassitters are not a band. I have followed, but I found myself across the table from Adam and he is as you're about to hear, really smart, really impressive. He has a great story to tell. And so again, I forget how this podcast came about,

but I'm very glad it did. And I think you will be too. Here's Adam. From ABC, this is the 10% happier podcast. I'm Dan Harris. I always ask the same question at the start. How did you get into meditation? What do you do? What kind of meditation? So I do mindfulness meditation. I'm actually somewhat new to it. I'd say in the last eight months, and my brother, Aaron, has been into meditation for years. And I think has done some classes and retreats

where it's like a three day intensive kind of meditation class and guided thing. And so I'd heard him talk about it and heard him talk about how it's helped him and really changed his life. Then my therapist or my psychologist suggested it. I'm very anxious and general and very hard for me to stay in the moment and kind of appreciate the now is my thing. No matter how good everything's going right now, I'm always waiting for the next for it to go bad,

kind of, and that's not a fun way to live. So he recommended it. He's gonna say, because things are going quite well. Things are going quite well. And they continue to go quite well. And even when they were going less well, I had the same worry and they just keep getting better. And that was kind of a side effect of that, which is not obviously not how it should be. And so the anxiety was making it difficult for

you to enjoy the success. Yeah. And the success was giving more anxiety because we were so busy and you know, it was kind of like when all of everything started for us two or three years ago, we kind of left on like a month-long tour and like nothing was really happening and we were all kind of stressed about that and bummed out and it very quickly like everything started happening for us and it went from being a one-month tour to like a two-year tour with no mental preparation. It was just like oh we're adding this and we're adding this and we're adding this and we're going to get to the point where it was just like okay you're going to be gone for the next year or two which is exactly what we had all hope for

and it's not like we didn't want that to happen. But it was just very sudden. And so yeah, going back to how I got into meditation just, I think needing it and having these people in my life who had experience with it and suggesting I get into it. Headspace was my first introduction to mindfulness meditation. And are you still doing that or did you move on to something else? I still do that and others. So someone are we're shooting a music video about a month ago and are the makeup artist actually hair and makeup suggested this app called Insight Timer,

which has just a bunch of free guided meditations that I love actually, and I've been doing more because there's more variety and you can move around. Headspace really encourages you to follow the packs. So there's different, there's like a comp pack and an anxiety pack and a relationships pack and a, all just every different genre of anxiety or stress or not even just, you know, there's one to do while you're walking, one to do before exercising.

But they aren't a 10 to 30 sets of meditations that are meant to do daily. So if you're doing the change pack and you want to switch to the anxiety pack one day, you lose all your progress. And so it encourages you to stick with what you're doing. And I like insight timers that can really jump around and do a meditation that's very guided and then do one that has a lot of space in it to kind of test yourself. And I really like that. How hard, I'm really interested, because I'm actually working on a book right now that

to help people establish and maintain a meditation habit. How hard was it for you to do that? You said eight months ago and you're still going, do you do it every day? How much do you do? I find, and it's just my nature, and probably has to do with, you know, the addictive personality musicians,

because that's how you get into wanting to practice something anyways by becoming obsessive with it, but I kind of went through that with meditation where I first got it and was like, okay, I'm going to go on like a crazy streak of it also gives you these streak markers. So it encourages you to not skip a day with giving you, it'll give you like discounts on your next month's subscription. So I went really hard on that for like 30 to 50 days. I can't remember where I lost it. Then I kind of fell off and then noticed my thoughts and behavior changing. You know, I could definitely see the benefits from meditating and I was losing those benefits when I stopped and got back into it. And now I'd say I try to do it every day,

but I would say average four or five days a week. And there have been, there's been a month in that eight month period where I didn't meditate at all. And you really noticed a difference. Yeah, I think fortified, you know, I've embraced this concept of daily-ish. Yeah, which is, I think that's, you know, it's kind of like the whole mantra in mindfulness meditating that, you know, if your thoughts wander

to not judge and to just bring it back to the meditation at hand, it's kind of like the same thing. You don't want to beat yourself up if you miss a day, because then you might be discouraged to further continue. Bingo. So when you're meditating, the whole thing is you're trying to focus on your breath, something, or something, and then when you get distracted you start again. Same thing in this. If you're trying to do it every day, but if you fall off the wagon, you don't want to let your ego tell you a story about now you're a failed meditator. So you're like, all right, I get it. My, those thoughts are coming up, but I can start again any time I want. And it's so easy. And you can do it anywhere. I often am meditating. I found that

you know, I know every app that I've used. I haven't done any sort of like class or meditated with a professional. I don't know if that's even a term. I'm sure it is. But with a professional, I don't know if that's even a term. I'm sure it is. But I have only used apps and I've found that I can do it. I never have quiet. Even quite for me is like an airplane taking off. That's like the most quiet time I've ever had. You guys even, do you fly commercial or do you guys?

Yeah. You do. Yeah, I've never flown private. Even when you're on tour. Even when you're on tour. Even when you're on tour. Yeah, flying private for a win. Yeah, flying private's very expensive, so you'd have to choose. It's a big band though.

We are, but you choose between, do you wanna make profit or fly private once? So it's, you know. So a plane, you know, planes are perfect. I meditate and planes all the time. Yeah, but I'm saying even in a loud green room with 10 people going wild, I can meditate. Really? Yeah.

Before a show. Yeah. And the other guys aren't like mocking you or smacking you. Oh no, they are very respectful and they'll even, there have been times where I've meditated and we like had an interview and I met, didn't have my schedule right and they like, didn't want to interrupt me so they went and did it. And are the other guys doing it? Yeah. Sam is doing it. The singer Casey does not meditate, I believe, but I'm sure, but he should. I think really everyone should.

So tell me a little bit more about what kind of difference it's made for you. Talk about your anxiety and just having trouble living right here right now. By the way, you're in good company. It's the same thing. A lot of people feel that way. I know, yeah, that's why I have no, I'm not embarrassed of it at all,

because I know it's very common. I would say more than that. I think actually you deserve a lot of credit for talking about it publicly, because you have a lot of fans, a lot of people look up to you. You normalize it, you make it okay for other people. So actually you're doing a real service by talking about it publicly because you have a lot of fans, a lot of people look up to you, you normalize it, you make it okay for other people. So actually you're doing a real service

by talking about it. Yeah. So I just notice it's almost like practice. I mean, it's practicing your thought process. And if you practice anything, you get better at it, right? So if before I started meditating, my mind would go to a negative place, and I would just feed into it and then go, continue in that negative style of thinking because I wasn't thinking about that.

I was having negative thoughts. That's just where my brain was and what I was focused on. Your not, your mind was offering up negative thoughts and you had no idea that they were just thoughts. Exactly. You just thought, yeah, that's where I'm at. This is the truth. I mean, I wasn't even conscious of it or, you know, it's kind of like, and then meditating allowed me to recognize those things that not every thought is worth

investigating and putting energy into and sometimes you're gonna have crazy good or bad thoughts and It's you know you don't want to feed Those bad thoughts because they really the more you feed them the more they manifest and so for me It was the practice of, and also like the metaphors, which I'm sure a lot of people find corny that a lot of the meditation apps use of imagining a stream and that your thoughts are leaves flowing downstream and they're going to be gone soon or the ticker on CNN analogy where you see the news points that are all random, just little forward news points that can be catastrophic.

But once they scroll by, you're not thinking about them anymore. And I try to apply that to my thought process. And that has helped me a lot. Perfect. I mean, that's perfect. You helped me a lot. Perfect. I mean, that's perfect. You're a quick study. And in a great example of the fact that apps can work, you don't need to sit at the feet of a master, which, by the way, is a great thing to do if you can.

I really want to. I can help you with that. That would be great. Well, afterwards we'll talk about that. But also, I found one problem is when you're on the plane, these apps require the internet a lot of them mine doesn't We leave out I will also give you mine so you can download it But headspace even you can download but if you don't download ahead of time then you can't meditate so I Have got in the habit of just setting my timer and doing it on my own perfect, so I find the guided

For me as much easier for me to stay on track. A lot of people have this idea that somehow guided meditations are training wheels or cheating. Yeah, not true. And I use both. And I think it's great that you're doing sometimes,

if you don't have access to the guided meditation you want because you're on a plane, set a timer and do 510, 20 minutes, whatever it is you want to do on your own unguided, great way to, you know, as you said before, kind of test yourself. But switching back and forth is great. Yeah. Perfect. Yeah. I would love to know kind of the inside story and by inside, I mean inside your head of

the rise of the X ambassador's, What it was like for you and, because you started to talk about it a little bit before and then how, and then, you know, within that story, at what point did you decide, okay, I need to do a few things here to take care of myself. So, I mean, we've been, we met like, the other guys in the band are brothers and I've been playing music since before I met them together

and since childhood. And they're from Ithaca. They're from Ithaca, New York. And you're from it. I'm from Los Angeles. And how did you guys meet? So I came to New York for college to Eugene Lang at the New School, downtown, and met Sam and Noah the literal first day of orientation of college in the dorms.

And we kind of passed demos back and forth, and then over that year started playing together just in a room, not even writing songs, just like jamming, playing other songs or just coming up with new things, but it wasn't like we were like trying to remember them for next time. It was just kind of freestyle. And during the second year of college, we kind of decided to take it more seriously. We rented a rehearsal space, started playing shows

just around New York for our friends, or most of the time, not even our friends would show up, or just be an empty room with the other bands. And so there was a I mean literally five or six years of that of like We are living in New York the first three or four. We were in college Then after that we were all working odd jobs and what were you what was your odd job? I was a physical therapy assistant for a little while and just did anything I could to make

ends meet. And so there was three years of it in college and two or three years of everyone working odd jobs and kind of us playing around New York. And then there was the period where we were like, okay, we're all going to just focus 100% on music and not have odd jobs like we'll just be really broke but we'll be able to take every tour we can get and do that. So we started doing that and continued writing songs and in 2012 or 13 we started to gain some steam. A song got on a radio station down in Norfolk, Virginia, that kind of brought us to the attention of the music business and the record labels and agents and all that stuff.

Wait, well, why would Norfolk, Virginia, playing your song lead to anything? I know. It's crazy, but there's a radio station in Norfolk that it was like the radio programmer heard the song and gave it a shot on the radio. People kept requesting it by the end of the year. It was the number one song on the radio at this rock station and we went down to play a show there. We sold out 1500 people which at the time was insane. The next day we went to Philly and played for three people. And then like, we'd come to New York and play for a hundred. But North folk Virginia,

we'd saw a 1500 ticket. So it was like- Like a version of being huge in Japan. Yeah, no, we would go down there and we were like, gods and then we'd come back and we're like, oh man, we're broken, playing to no one in Philly. But that led to us getting signed, which you think then you're signed with who? Inner scope and kid in the corner records. And most people think when you get signed, you've made it. You're good. You're hanging out with Jimmy Ivy? No, no. I just want to say that I can mentor you. It's great. It's amazing. We hang out with the other

guys who still work at the label who are great and we love love all of them And Jimmy Ivean as has really been great to us and put our song in this Commercial campaign for the world couple a couple years back, but Going back to the so we got signed You think that you've made it, but once you get signed, you're just the lowest on the totem pole competing against the best artists in the world. So then we were on the label, nothing. We were touring and putting out EPs and slowly building, but as far as the record labels

concerned, they want things to happen fast. They were not happening fast. And so we were on the label for two years trying to just make things happen. Little things were happening, nothing really major. And then our song got placed in a Jeep commercial. Hold on, before that, that whole period, how was your anxiety level? Not as high as when the success really weren't successful. You weren't, you were kind of cool with like a, a, feel like I have major like hindsight bias where in the moment everything is really

stressful and anxious, but looking back on it, it was like the best time of my life. You know, I mean, it's like when you go to summer camp and every year they're like this this summer is great, but last summer, I mean, it will never be as good as last summer. Well, it's not even that. It's like, you know, right now, maybe I'm like really anxious because we have a new record coming out. And, you know, when it comes out, it'll be up to the world to decide if it's a success or not.

And it's really stressful right now. But, if in a year it's successful, I'll think back to this time as, oh man, that was such a great time. We didn't even know what we had yet. And so, I feel like I'm probably doing that. I'm sure I was pretty anxious back then too. But for me, it's like I feel like I really didn't

acknowledge or recognize my anxiety. It's like, almost like I didn't even know it was anxiety. I just thought that's how I was. Right. Which is hard to explain. No, I get it. You know, I totally get it. Because again, to explain. No. No, I get it. I totally get it.

Because again, your mind's offering up all these thoughts and you have no distance from it. It's like it's the truth. Yeah. Like this inner anchor man telling you how things are. Exactly. When, in fact, you know, nobody's pulled back to curtain and showed you, it's just somebody barfing up a bunch of stuff that you don't have to listen.

Exactly. And so, but I do think there's, there was some, you know, it's like the beauty and the struggle. There was like this beautiful thing of we were all in it together to like, there's nothing. Absolutely. Absolutely no reason we should be doing this. Like, all signs lead to it's not going to work. And we still like, I don't think now that would happen again just because we're older and tell do you know I'm 29 almost 30 but you know it was like literally like us all taking turns putting in 40 bucks in the gas tank from our debit cards like wow you know even after you'd been signed no not after we'd been signed, but in the earlier years.

And when we were signed, we were just getting money from the label, which you have to pay back, anyway. So it's essentially the same thing, but just via wire transfer, instead of taking out our own, or it's on credit instead of money we already had. But yeah, the times were very stressful before things happened. And then as things started happening, there was this, like it's almost like a relationship. There's a honeymoon period where all your dreams are coming true and everything is just amazing. And like nothing can get to you. And everything's great and you're blinded by the light or whatever.

And then it's like a year into that heavy tour cycle and playing these, when you play an amazing sold out show every night, you don't appreciate it as much. You know, it's like, that's the norm. And you're like, man, I would love to just go home. Life is short and it's full of a lot of interesting questions. What does happiness really mean? How do I get the most out of my time here on Earth?

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You can also listen to ad free on the Amazon Music or Wondering App. You know there's to ad free on the Amazon music or wonder yeah. You know there's a term for this. There's a term that describes this very, it's called hedonic adaptation. Yeah. So it means that like something good happens to you like all of a sudden you go from being playing

for three people in Philly, you're playing Sheld out shows overnight. And at first there's a huge like dopamine hit from that. You're like wow, this is amazing. But after a while, you just bake it into your baseline. Exactly. It's like, all right, well, this is what I do now, no longer a thrill. I need to tell my psychologist, Exola, that he loves. I have a line that I said to him or something that was like, you know, you can get like bored with doing your dream after a while.

And you're so true. And sad. Yeah, it's true. You get the solution. So, so how do you just practical question? This what you thought was a one month tour turns into an infinite tour. How do you even get to see your shrink? You called him.

I'd call him, but I wasn't seeing him back then. Oh, okay. So you started seeing him after. I started seeing him a year ago. At this point, you're already a bona fide rock star. We're already done with that tour cycle. And yeah, I mean, probably started seeing him almost exactly a year ago.

The decision to do that. Did you have a moment of like, okay, now everything I've worked for in my entire life is here. I've got it. And I'm unhappy. It wasn't even that. It was like, because I don't feel like everything I want to come true, that's come true. It's like, there's levels, no matter where you are, the levels change.

So it's like, back in the day, we just wanted to like, be signed. And then we got signed and nothing was happening. We were like, who cares about being signed? We just want to earn enough money to not have a job. And then it's like, then we want to sell out this place and then sell out that place. And now we want to sell out the garden or something. And then when we sell out the garden,

we'll want to sell out giant stadium or whatever. And it'll never end. But then we'll want to sell out giant stadium or whatever and it'll never end. And then we'll want to sell it two nights at giant stadium. But you keep moving the goalpost. I often say that the pursuit of happiness can become, and I think I stole this from somebody and become the source of our unhappiness. It's like you were insatiable. Yeah. And so that's, there was a little bit of that, but it was more like, I've had this, it was more of the shock of getting off the road, I think,

is, and I had just gone through a break up in a five year relationship. Oh, wow. So it was like, okay, I don't have the distraction of being busy 12 hours a day anymore, and now I'm home, and I just moved to LA, and I'm from there. So I have friends there. It's not like I didn't know people but in the whole band lives there now. The whole band lives there now, but I had just moved to LA and suddenly had 12 hours a day that I had to like fill

myself because you guys were in a hiatus. We were recording, but it was just like even that just not having the schedule, you know, we have like a tour manager and a Very tight schedule. So it was like two years of every day opening up your Google call and saying exactly where everything's gonna happen Everything from like eating to who where you're gonna do your laundry to What car you're gonna take was figured out and then you're like home and you're like, okay? I have a day off and What am I gonna do to fill it and it was kind of a shock to me and I I was just dealing with a lot of different things and I had never seen like a psychologist

before a therapist But it's great. I'd recommend it to everyone, even if you're not going through, everyone's going through something. But even if you feel great, I still think it's, I would recommend it to anybody. Take me back into sort of hedonic adaptation. So one or two years into your rise, you guys are hits, you've got your record out, you've got a bunch of hits songs, and your playing sold out shows. Do you ever find yourself on stage at any of these shows kind of like bored and wanting

to leave? Yeah, really, for sure. Because I mean, I'm 46, so this isn't ever going to happen for me. But my, I can think of nothing cooler than being, I play the drums, I play the drums since I was 10. Really? Yes, cool. And I'm bad, but I love playing the since I was 10. Really? Yes. Cool. And I'm bad.

But I love playing the drums in my office. And yeah. So you guys show me after. It's really sad and dusty because only my two-year-old plays it now. Cool. I don't even do it. But I will occasionally go with my friends. I haven't done it in a while, but we will rent out a room and play together and stuff in

a rehearsal space. And I can imagine nothing cooler than playing with a bunch of, in front of a bunch of people like screaming and excited. But even that loses its lustre after a while. Well, I'm sure you had a dream once of being, you know, like a journalist or on the radio or whatever. And that's your main gig.

And I'm sure there are days when you just want to go home or when you're not feeling it or when you're tired of it. It's exactly the same. There was a time in your life where this would have been your wildest dream. Yes. And now it's your normalcy and it's like there are days where you just don't want to go into work and do it. Well the trick, you're absolutely right. And the thing that I find meditation helps with is it kind of re-ups my engagement with whatever's happening right now. And then anything, brushing your teeth,

for me just like staring at my kid, the fact that I have a kid that he exists is amazing to me, and just trying to infuse the rest of your life with that stuff actually can be the antidote to what we're discussing. Yeah, I agree and I've totally found that. It's almost the practice of doing something positive. It's almost like making your bed when you wake up so you get in the habit of just getting

something done. Also, what you're practicing, or at least in my my experiences, practicing waking up from the dream of autopilot. Exactly. Just where you're just constantly worrying about the future, because I've dealt with anxiety in my whole life. Yeah. Or worried about the past. Instead, you're just like, all right, wow, meeting a sandwich. Yeah.

Which can taste really good if you're not like regretting some stupid thing you said in sixth grade. Exactly. Yeah. So, but don't totally make me disillusioned here. When you guys were becoming stars and this was all coming true for you, there must have been some amazing moments. Oh my God. I mean, it was all amazing moments, even you know like I was saying looking back on it

I have a little hindsight bias. Yeah, yeah, that's all I remember from my psychology class but I mean it was the most unreal experience ever Just two years into it. We were all extremely burnt out. So I would say 95% of the time was unreal, amazing moments. And 5% was like anxiety and stress. And, you know, I know Sam or singer went through it a lot with his voice. He kind of had to learn a whole new lifestyle, eating differently, exercising, doing these intense warm-ups every day. And he, you know, I know has a lot of anxiety about that.

And just in general, and it's been great for him. I've noticed a difference in him since he's been meditating as well. You know, I was hanging out. I had to do a story recently on panic at the disco. Oh, yeah. We love those guys. The lead singer was Brandon. Brandon is such a nice guy.

Super nice. I was doing a story for a nightline, which is one of the shows I work on. And he was talking to me about the physicality. He was performing a Broadway. He was performing a Broadway at this time, Pinky Boots. And he was, there was a lot of anxiety about losing his voice, and I was in his dressing room with him, and he's got all this contraptions,

and stuff. Steamer's. Yeah, it's a real thing that I was unaware of that singers have to deal with. Oh my God. Yeah, and he can really sing. Brandon, oh yeah. Oh my God.

So you guys, we toured with them. Oh, you did. They're one of the first big bands to take us on tour the lifestyle so I mean, I imagine rock stars You know, you know, we've seen images of you know rock stars with like needles hanging out of their arms Yeah, is it like that? No, no not for us. Honestly not no bands are shooting heroin and going that crazy anymore. Thank God. But it's every year. At least we aren't.

But no. So people are eating healthy, meditating, all that stuff. That's an okay thing to do. That is not going to make you a social outcast. No. We're Lenny old, man. Yeah, it's true like that honestly there's way more like Health We're you know what I see on the road. It's funny is a lot more yoga mats and foam rollers than Drugs in paraphernalia. Wow, I think that's awesome. That's great But I mean there are bands that do that and there was a time where we were crazy But we're also you know a lot of bands hit it when they're 1920 and But we were abandoned at that time and we were definitely a little bit

crazier than but you know we're all Alder and take this very seriously and take our show seriously and there's no way to keep up physically or mentally with parting like that. That's why none of those bands that do that can last. So what's going on with the band right now as we, as I prepare to free you and go off to the rest of your day, what's going on with the band right now?

What's on your mind? So right now we have basically finished our new record, which we've been working on with the band right now? What's on your mind? So right now, we have basically finished our new record, which we've been working on for the last year, which is a very important second out. It's our second full-length album. What's it called? It's called, I can't tell you what it's called. Yeah, it'll come out early next year.

Okay. And it's the best work we've ever done without a doubt. And we're all very proud of it. But right now we're in the time of it's finished. So there's no stress about that, but now it's kind of like up to the world to decide if it's a, you know, we, I know we, I couldn't be happier with what we've created just in a vacuum, but now it's time to see if the world agrees. And I really think they will. And that's that's a source of stress. No, no, totally, totally. But I feel, and I think it has a lot to do with just getting older that I'm in a much better place and have more kind of tools to help deal with everything that's going on.

Whether it's the stress of now, if the record does good or does bad, I feel like I have the tools to deal with it and however it goes. But I really, I don't have any doubt that it's gonna do well. I really believe in what we've done. I'm rooting for you now. Thank you. Yeah, I can't wait for you to hear it. Really cool of you to come in here. Yeah, thank you for having me.

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