Ten Percent Happier with Dan Harris - 281: What a Buddhist Monk Learned from Nearly Being Assasinated | Bhante Buddharakkhita

Episode Date: September 9, 2020

When you first encounter Bhante Buddharakkhita, the wise and affable Abbot of the Ugandan Buddhist Center, you might be tempted to think: this guy’s been a meditator since shortly after exiting the womb. But his story of finding the dharma -- and then trying to integrate it into his life -- is straight-up wild. It starts with a childhood of devout Catholicism, then veers into India, a scuba-diving stint in Thailand, and a sojourn with a venerable Buddhist teacher in West Virginia. When he finally lands back in Africa as one of the first monastics on that continent, he is mocked as a wizard and then nearly assasinated. In this chat, we talk about: how that incident led to a deep dive into the treatment of trauma; how he integrates African wisdom into his Buddhist teaching; and his motto, “More dharma, less drama.” Where to find Bhante online: Dharma Seed: https://dharmaseed.org/teacher/203/ IMS: https://www.dharma.org/teacher/bhante-buddharakkhita/ We care deeply about supporting you in your meditation practice, and feel that providing you with high quality teachers is one of the best ways to do that. Customers of the Ten Percent Happier app say they stick around specifically for the range of teachers, and the deep wisdom they impart, to help them deepen their practice. For anyone new to the app, we've got a special discount just for you. If you're an existing subscriber, we thank you for your support. To claim your discount, visit tenpercent.com/reward. Additional Resources: Ten Percent Happier Live: https://tenpercent.com/live Coronavirus Sanity Guide: https://www.tenpercent.com/coronavirussanityguide Free App access for Frontline Workers: https://tenpercent.com/care Full Shownotes: https://www.tenpercent.com/podcast-episode/bhante-buddharakkhita-281 See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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For anybody new to the app, we've got a special discount for you. And if you're an existing subscriber, we thank you for your support. So to go claim your discount discount visit 10% dot com slash August. That's 10% one word all spelled out dot com slash August. My friends, hello, when you first encounter Bonte Boudrequita, the wise and affable abit of the Ugandan Buddhist Center, you might be tempted to think this guy has been meditating since shortly after exiting the womb. But his story of finding the Dharma and then trying to integrate it into his life is straight

up wild. It starts with a childhood of devout Catholicism, then veers into India, a scuba diving stint in Thailand, and a sojourn with a venerable Buddhist teacher in West Virginia. When he finally lands back in Africa as one of the first Buddhist monastics on that continent, he is mocked as a wizard and then nearly assassinated. In this chat, we talk about how that shooting incident that nearly took his life led to a deep dive into the treatment of trauma, how he integrates African wisdom into his Buddhist teaching,

and his motto, more Dharma, less drama. Here we go, Bante Boudrequita. Thank you for making time for this. I'm really excited to talk to you. Yo, Camdan. Thank you for making time for this. I'm really excited to talk to you. You're welcome done. I really want to hear your story because I've read a little bit about it and it's fascinating. Can you tell me how you first encountered Buddhism? Yes, first time I encountered Buddhism is in 1990.

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I know you were raised Catholic. So here you are in a completely different country encountering this religion for the first time, a religion you didn't even know existed. What about Buddhism and meditation spoke to you, given your history, why was it so appealing this practice and this faith? Actually, for me, it was a feeling, like, for instance, meditation, when I went to meditate, it was normally evening, and then I was so stressed out in India, it was a hot country,

I was eating hot food, and I was looking for a church, I failed to see it. Kami, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, kaki, k was going to church so that God can see me, that back then I believed like that. So now every time I go to church, I could not hear the English service, all the other services, so which is my language. I was just going to church and hear people just talking for in language. And later on I said, no, these people, they have a cell religion called Hinduism. I like to know what they believe in. … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … aptophan. More peaceful than when I was in a church. In a church sometime they said, okay, now it's kneeled down and they are going to pray and all these things. But that's a short time in a church, according to my upbringing. But when I was in meditation, I told him evening and when I came out, it was so peaceful.

And that's when I rushed and told him once that when I meditate it's so peaceful. So I think what really hooked me in meditation is the PC I got. That's what I mean with meditation. So now to really get to deepen my understanding in Buddhism, it will take more time because more so I just relax and to teach me everything in Buddhism. But I could follow the Arab style, very generous, very kind and all this kind of thing. aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungi, aungia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, hegia, Malditatioan for 12 days, and along with that meditation, there was teachings that I learned for the first time, really systematically being taught by

Dr. Alex Bazin, who is an American, he used to be an interpreter for his own sedalama. So he taught for 12 days, and then Buddhism was answering many, many questions I had in life. Things like, where are you going, where are you coming from, Hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, hatton, Hela mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea mea Halted at his residence and he had just seen a journalist and he entered there in his room, near him with an interpreter

and then I talked to his owner, his presence alone, it really, really inspired me so much. So then I said, wow, this is his owner's dilemma, he's a Buddhist, I feel that I would like to belong to that kind of thing. So now really to make it short, Buddhism answered my question …aunusimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimim went to the retreat in 1995, I was asking this question, and this teacher was answering this question. And he was a good scholar. Now he lives in Berlin in Germany. He's called Dr. Alex Bazin, he's a Dama teacher, he's a graduate from Harvard University. He is a very accomplished scholar who answered my question that quenched my fast to know.

That's why I came to Buddhism. So when you were a child or a young man in Uganda and you would ask questions about you know big questions, existential questions. Yes. You were told, you know, don't ask questions, just fall back on your faith. Yeah, just believe in then and then all of a sudden you got interested in Buddhism and you asked questions and people actually answered them. What were the fundamental questions you were asking? Mostly fundamental question is, where do we go from here? Where do we go from here after here?

So then there was all the very simple questions, or you got help, or pagatoli, or heaven. 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and they're not so much embracing other legions, like mostly my daughters. So that was the transition my friend down. Thank you. It's interesting, I'm thinking as an listening to you, we come at Buddhism for very different angles, because maybe even more so than you, I never really had any, I couldn't put much stock in the idea.

I didn't have any faith in the idea that there was one God in the sky somewhere, writing down our misdeeds. I never really had much attraction to that. And what I liked about Buddhism was that it's non-theistic. There is no God, although in certain areas of Buddhism, they'll talk about deities, but anyway, that's a whole different conversation. You, it seems, I'm hearing from you, you sort of liked the idea that karma could lead to rebirth, a cycle of rebirths, where you get another shot,

and then ultimately you end up in Nibbana, or Nervana, a still a concept that I don't fully understand. But none of that appeals to me. I'm much more interested in the practice as it shows up in my life right now, and let's let somebody else worry about the metaphysics. But it seems to me that you really needed to get the metaphysics sorted out before you could invest.

It definitely does, because for me in school I took chemistry and physics and biology. I was very interested in investigation to find out myself. Before I get comfortable with something, you know. So for me, I wanted to know the head and the tail of all this, you know. Hela, kakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakak i-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me- I was very keen on that. By the way, I was in India back then and there were so many other philosophies bubbling. Because around the same time I was investigating Hinduism with the philosophies, I was going to Saibaba in Bangalore. I think the difference is that for me, when I left Uganda

as a Roman Catholic, when I arrived in India, I was bombarded with so many philosophies Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hinti, Hint helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, helaidahela, hela, and what they're talking about consciousness and all that. I think for me I was exposed more into the world of philosophy and metaphysics that actually I went deeper and got interested in that. You went to India to study business and ended up on a spiritual quest? Definitely. When I look back, I think that's the reason why I went there. The process of what I'm doing is what makes me happy and that's what makes me going. The other one was another one, the kind of a comic connection to make sure that

I get a scholarship and my parents didn't have to pay money for me to study and the government over India paid for me to study there and I just went there on a different time. How when and why did you become a monk? kakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakak Inawa, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung, yung mung then 2002 I became a monk again, although about 18 years, this my 18th year as a monk. So now that's when it's very easy. 2001, I started and then 2002, since then, you know. But how well it is a long story because I had to go Hanna, o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock oclock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o'clock o Kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak. Kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kutak, kpto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto, apto,pto, apto, apto, apto, apto,pt aileft thailand after living in an overseas for seven years my life had already totally changed I was not a mom but I was a lepason, enthusiastic in Buddhism, such Buddhists, shaved head, Lan yoga in Himalayas with many yogis and my life had totally completely changed. Totally was changed.

When I arrived in Uganda 1997, mind you I left Uganda 1990. Nihagetan, kakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakak I had many books, Buddhist books. I arrived in Uganda like that. But it was very simple. Not a very successful businessman with a briefcase, with money and the book. People had so dissolutioned. My family and all the people I knew they were dissolutioned. And for me, when I lived there for one month, I was so dissolutioned, illusioned more than them. Because for me, I had scuba gears, but there's no way to die. I had Buddhist book, there's no Buddhist teacher. So I tried to fit in a society, they tried to make me a businessman. Okay, how much money have you come in?

Of all the seven years you stayed overseas, you must have made a lot of money. We should invest and have a business. I was not interested in any business. I was interested in meditation and scuba diving. ...at aftar, ... ...at aftar, ... ...at aftar, ... ...at aftar, ... ...at aftar, ... ...at aftar, ... ...at aftar, ...

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I had left my job in Thailand. I was not interested in coming in Uganda. I was not a US citizen. Where am I going to go? 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Midea jauh kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa dao kwa Lest herosan tithetik, kestakururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururururur ...at least I got to Florida, I decided like that. Then when I meditated, I started reviewing all my life, all my life, I said, ...whatever I try to do is not going to bring me happiness like this. Even when I become a cos director, even when I go to Thailand, even because I got admission to the university in Chile, I say, even if I go to Chile, I won't get the peace I'm getting in meditation. When I go to Uganda, I'll never get that peace. iutakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakak I like to keep on meditating. 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But I thought that you can become a monk in the Asian. Can anyone somewhere from the airport go into the meditation? Oh, you don't know anything about the country. So I didn't know that you can become a monk in USA. During the retreat, they were talking about Saito Pandita, different monasteries where you can meditate in Bama, in USA. Nihari yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni yung mwakir ni iutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutripti, diutriulatio, mersaulatio, mersaulatio, mersaulatio, mersaulatio,

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So, but then I remember that time I say, no, the best way to lead a children's life is to become more and overcome suffering because I was suffering. I was not satisfied with life where I'm going to scuba dive, where I'm going to Thailand or Uganda I have traveled in Brazil for one year. So I saw that there's nothing that is going to give me happiness that they have compared to what the happiness I got from meditation in 1999, a three-month retreat. That really prepared me to go and become a monk and in San Jose in 2001.

And you've been a monk ever since have you succeeded in overcoming suffering? I'm working on it. You see that say, life project. But there's a lot of suffering that I was creating for myself, a special projecting, kind of anticipating, Mereko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko to toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko toko for the next few months or years, I suffer like that. I suffer things that are common when you have fever here. But the suffering I'm not suffering is my, what to call, that I create myself, things like, okay, this is the reality, but this is what I want things to be. I was suffering a lot like that, especially in my holidays as a child, in India,

pre-becoming a mocha, I used to suffer that kind of thing, anticipating things, anticipating a friend to be like this, you know relationship, you know. Actually most of the time the suffering will create our sense, right? You have a relationship and any this what you want in your relationship Kami-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari-kari- for something to be the way I like it, I'll gain it's what I actually get. That kind of suffering of eliminated it, eliminated to some extent, but also the suffering that come due to overreacting on situations like anger, fear,

and of course, as a monk life, it cuts greed by a big chunk of it. You know, I got films, Kami, kakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakak the suffering that's beyond my control. Yes. But as for the rest of the suffering, it's working in progress. But I still am on a path, I think, to eliminate it. I'm not worried about I know that I'm on a path. It's to be a question of time to walk through my way as I wanted to. Really work on my way to liberation in this lifetime. And that's what I can progress. More of my conversation with Bante Boudrequita right after this. Hey, I'm Aresha, and I'm Brooke. And we're the hosts of Wundery's podcast, Even the Rich,

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You ultimately returned to Uganda and started the Buddhist center. And that was not an easy process, given that it was culturally very unusual, unprecedented in Uganda. And there has been a lot of pushback. And in particular, there was an assassination attempt. And I'm intrigued to hear about what happened there and then of course how you reacted to it which is really interesting. Yes, you are very right.

It was a long journey after becoming a monk. I stayed in USA and of course I went to again, back to Asia and got ready really for the big thing to go back to Uganda. I had to go to Asia fast to pay my respect to Buddha places. I had a retreat in Asia in 2003. I went to meditate for two months just to get ready emotionally and physically and spiritually for the big world and asking people because especially monks, I asked them how to be a missionary in Uganda. So in other words, for me, I didn't know how to

go to a country like Uganda and introduce Buddhism. You know, all the time I've been in the countries where they know Buddhist monks and then here I am, I'm going to Uganda for the first time. I didn't know what I get. I was getting into, I remember a friend of mine from Staten Island told me, oh you're going to Uganda. Be careful, they will kill you, you know. I said, no, it's my country, I will go differently. So now I went to Uganda. 2005 I started the center here, the first and the only wood center in Uganda. So when I write 2015, yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sefahil yw sef …due aptoletakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakak Halt her in her room, she told me, please don't tell her, don't tell her, this is Buddha statue. Don't tell your god here because they thought, other thought is my god,

other thought that is African voodoo, I'm smuggling drugs and all these things. So I had a sample of what I was going to face just at the airport in Kenya. So I arrived in Uganda, I started settling in, looking for place where I could stay, they refused me accommodation, they told me that time I reached, you know, so they really

started reacting, calling me names. So what helped me not overreact is the teaching of the Buddha itself. There's a teaching of the Buddha which says, when you hear something, just become aware nda'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a' Kami takutakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakak kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki kaki actually there was some kind of rights here in Uganda, there was a national election coming up, and then they actually started rooting, there was tear gas thing, people, so there was a lot of violence in the society. So then we asked a security company to actually protect us, so they used to Hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, the temple. One night he shot at me. That's the worst thing that has ever happened to me in my life as a mob. This was a security guard hired to protect the temple. Yes, turned around and shot at you. Definitely. That's the make it make it to us. I mean if you saw somebody was from nowhere, I mean if you saw someone who was from nowhere, but this is a person who is paid to protect us.

And now at one time, he showed at me and the blade passed very close to me and then it hit the glass and it shattered the glass and it hit me up to now I have a skull. So now, how I reacted to that incidence was with like drawing Hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, hattu, That sound. Yes, deafening and the guy of course shot and then I thought that is coming after me. I of course ran and hide in the ceiling and the police, I call the police, the police came. I did the normal thing that one has to do, you know and I'm under stress, you know.

The police came, I was taking the police, I was taking the hospital with a high pressure. The pressure was very high. And if I said the whole night it would have killed me. So then they gave medicine to put the pressure down and then the police started investigating after three days they called the guy. And the guy was actually putting the gel. But my reaction I think is very, very important from that point. Merea menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebanabana menebana menebana menebana menebana menebana meneb and start telling the story to the artist and then Dukatun's. And for me I was enjoying it really because it was well kind of drawn the whole incidence was put into a peculiar book. And that was actually therapeutic, really, trying to write about it.

So you made it into a cartoon? Yes, the whole story, we made a book. We made a book out of it. That's my reaction. The whole event was really started to be documented using cartoons. And for me, that was a beautiful story for me. Why cartoons? That's such an... I mean, of all the responses.

To make it animated, you know? You see, I had learned that if God sent you vinegar, make honey out of it. Right? Yeah, those things I had in my mind, if God sent you vinegar, make honey out of it. All right? So now, I wanted this incidence to tell the story to people in a very animated way. So that was my first reaction, or call it a response actually, if you like.

So now we finished this part of the pictures, but I was going to United States to teach. After six days I was going to United States to teach. And after that I decided to go to Switzerland to rest for one month, to tell the story to friends and all that. But there was a lot of fear that was coming to go back to Uganda, because I didn't know why this guy showed me. Hela kakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakak I was for myself for giving as practice. Because I was sending for giving as to the guy who shot at me and knew that he was ignorant. So there is a way of anybody's practice for giving as practice.

If you have done something, you know, and knowingly through body speech or mind, I forgive you. Like this, I used to do forgiveness practice. But of course, I have to take care of myself when I was in New York. I went to what caused somatic experiencing, a couple of times and check with the therapist to check out whether I've flashed out

everything using Buddhism. And after two sessions, it told me you're good to go. Everything's okay because I wanted to explain Kami takatakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakak Hela na'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u'u' Y'all know how I responded with such an event, but forgive me, I'm not going to let go of the emotional feeling being hurt or wounded. Because there's a big question that was coming, why me? Why now? Why this is happening to me? What a fight done really. Y'all were in the United States and the Switzerland. I didn't get a chance to see the tail on the head of that because I never go to the bottom line. He did it. Why he shot at me. And at one time, he was bailed out. Bailed it out. I remember I was in Egypt for conference and I returned to Uganda

and they said it's going to be hearing. And the guy came after around nine. Helaid i'ot kakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakak Kami takutatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatat Bacelaaak, Bacelaak, Boudismi, danak, kakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakak studied actually in India after that incident. So in other words, I used that incident to do what I like most. I love most to go for further study in Buddhism and in the depending my understanding of trauma and emotions using Buddhist counseling psychology. So I did the actual a lot of things with that incidents. It helped me to do so many things actually. But so that's pretty quite remarkable as I understand it before this incident where somebody tried to kill you, you didn't know much if anything about trauma and how it works. And as part of your response to this, you use this as an opportunity to dive deeply into

understanding trauma, to treat it in yourself, and then to treat other people in a country where there is a lot of trauma. Precisely Daniel, you're right. Actually, honestly, to be very honest, I didn't know even the word trauma. What's trauma? I didn't know. And sometimes when I'm doing my studies in the salon, people ask me what's trauma. I'm not surprised.

Before that incident, I didn't know the word trauma. I knew wounds. I knew what's wounds, but trauma I didn't know. Hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, hinti, I interacted with people with teach with, they talked about trauma, yes people were talking about it but I didn't have experience what it is actually. So now when I went to Switzerland I found a book called Traumann Transformation and I read it. I was reading it was really speaking to me because I was they were talking about flashbacks they were talking about thoughts nightmares and all this kind of thing yes so I didn't really know what's from about this event helped me to know about trauma and actually I took a train from veitikatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatat when I was teaching New York, I was teaching healing intergeneration trauma. So from really, before I even knowing so much about trauma, I didn't know much about trauma, now teaching it to others so that people can

really understand it better. I hear you have an expression from trauma to Dama or Dharma. Yes, actually, yeah, from trauma to Dama. Yes, I think I should write a book about that. How exactly? I mean, this is a huge topic, but just can you just say a little bit about how does one transmute trauma into Dharma? Well, it's really more like knowing that trauma is the Nguyen tuat, trama, tchua, but it is optimised to heal. Buddha said, he said like this, there are two kinds of people you find in life. One is an wise person.

When he is faced with suffering, he gets disentered, he becomes entangled with suffering and cannot even sit the way out. The second person is a wise person when he sits suffering and sits the way out of it. He's just driving and you get lost and you cannot sit the exit. You start dazzling gas and wasting time because you can't sit the way out of it. ...today, atatatatatatatat ...miss your exits dark, you can't see it ...and you take wrong exits That's why I said that from trauma to dharma ...is that very moment that you see it Yes, there's a way out of it

There's manfulness, there is a ...whatever modality, hitting modality ...and you trust in that process Then that day you start following the dharma You're in a direction of dhamma. So now there is more dhamma and less drama. And I like that very much, I go it from somewhere, I think, France. There is a Ticknathan talked about, there is more dhamma, less drama.

But if you get caught up in dhamma, then you have more drama and less drama. But if you see the way out of it, then you have more drama and less drama. I like that. We are together that path to healing. Yes, we are. Yes, it's a long path by the way, done healing from traumatic event. It can be long, but it doesn't matter long short. The key is that you're trading the path to hitting, just like liberation. One other aspect of your teaching I wanna talk about before we close here is the combination of Buddhism and African wisdom seems to be a prominent part

of your teaching. Can you tell me a little bit about that? Well, well, my friend Dan, this teaching of African Louis Dom and the Brightman friends, again that's a product over that came later on from my attempt to disseminate the teaching that adhere to me, the Buddha's teaching, to healing, to happiness and all that. In the beginning, I was just teaching only Buddhism, especially for trauma, or just teaching Buddhism and for names.

But when I really got into this situation in my life, whereby I'm teaching people and they seem not to get it. And also, there are many traumatic events in their life in Africa …and many people I want to help them to heal from their trauma …which is the intergeneration I can see because we had so many wars here and all these things. So now I went back to the drawing board, study more of education psychology …and so I went back to study my bachelor's degree, I went to study my master's philosophy,

and now I'm doing my PhD in Buddhist studies. So that really came as a product of my experience in teaching. And I hit a wall as I was teaching people, they could not get it. The teaching of Buddhism and mindfulness was not thinking in their head. I could see as I teach, sometimes they would frown, you know. So now I wanted to see how this teaching can sit very well with African psych, with African thought. So what I did is to during my research, I started the try to find out how I can teach with Buddhism with an African flavor, you know?

Yes, with an African flavor. So I've tried to find out, is there any connection between African thoughts and healing and healing, and mindfulness, and Buddhism. All these things I wanted to put together and see the intersection. And once I found the intersection between Buddhism and African thoughts, that became to be the template I'm using. In fact, sometimes when I start my teaching, or as I start with the African thought, the way we think about something, Enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, enham, Kami ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ni Meditation, one from this kind of thing, like this, no. I start with what African talk about wisdom. Hmm?

Like they say wisdom is like fire, you get it from another person. So there are so many ways how African think about wisdom. There are many ways how African think about generosity, compassion. These different teachings are amazing. Truth, you know? Yes. So in Africa we teachings are amazing. Truth, you know? Yes, so in Africa we think that truth is wealth, you know? So now that aspect of African thinking I would then connect it with what the Buddha teaches

and what is right manfenies basically. We talk about right manfenies also in many African thoughts. It may not be called right manfenings, but we have some thing that speaks to that basically. I would find that. So now, in order to make that relevant, I wanted to find a problem that is very rampant in Africa and that's intagination trauma. So that became part of my thesis, my dissertation, Dr. Dizzitation. Now, when I teach, I'm growing a lot from my research, what works basically? Is there any teaching or African thought that leads to disengaging from problems?

Is there any African thought talks about how to be free from suffering? Nihari yung i-afrikan kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kawarau kaw Afrikaatio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio hiratio aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, aftar, Ayo, tochichin brazil, just ask what brazilian think about this. I ask them in my talks and then I try to connect to what I'm going to offer them. What I call it is like when I come to Africa, I don't want to come with a bucket of sand. You know when you bring a bucket of sand from Asia and Dampi to Africa, it's just like bring the teaching of the Buddha from Asia and Dampi to Africa. Aki, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, yung, the best of the worlds, the African wisdom, the indigenous wisdom, for us the best in Africa. And marrying to the best of Asia, which is the tradition of ancient wisdom from Buddhism, I put together, let's apply to heal our problems. That's my teaching and that's how I roll down.

Final question for me is, can you tell me about the African concept of Ubuntu? Kami ni, kakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakak …in his life, basically, with his self-buntu, life. So, this part of the language in Uganda, though they say it's Zulu from the South Africa, so the concept of Ubuntu is like this in a simple terms to really keep it short because of the big philosophy, which talks about compassion, it talks about despairing, the way you behave with other people. So it goes like this. I am because you are. And you are because I am.

I am because you are. You are because I am. Yes, yes. So this teaching shows that we are all interconnected, interrelated, we are not separated. kakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakakak Buddha, not to actually. It's so similar to Ubuntu concept actually. The Buddha said that when this is, that is, when this arises, that arises. When this is not, that is not. When this ceases, that ceases.

That's in a sanutani kaya Buddha talking about. How different is it from Ubuntu? So for me, then I would use that teaching and then I would transpose it. I would really introduce Ubuntu concept which is understood in many African countries. For us here in Uganda, if you come and you become generous and you speak very well, you are compassionate, you are kind, yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos yunos Kami takutak, kami takutak, kami takutak, kami takutak, kami takutak, kami takutak, kami takutak, kami takutak, kami takutak, kami takutak, kami takutak, kami takutak, kami takutak, kami takutak, kami takutak, kami takutak, kami takutak, kami takutak, kami takutak, kami takutak, kami takutak, kami takutak, kami takutak, kami takutak, kami takutak, kami takutak, kami takutak, kami takutak, kami takutak, kami takutak, kami takutak, kami takutak, kami takutak, kami takutak, kami takutak, kami takutak, kami takutak,kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami-kami- Kami'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a …no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no that everybody has been your mother, father,

and all these things. So we are all interconnected basically. Well, I see we're coming to the end of our time, but I'll just say in closing that, you know, I'm not a Buddha scholar, but my understanding of how Buddhism traveled from the original historical Buddha throughout Asia and around the world, has been that great teachers, such as yourself, have figured out how to bring seeds instead of sand to the various cultures into which they're introducing the teaching.

So I salute you for doing your work. Thank you very much. And yes, in fact, the Buddha also used the same thing, the Buddha, that's the concept he used. Because he was coming from Brahmins, I mean, he was teaching in the Sushat which is Brahminism, and then they had a lot of resistance to his teachings. …to his teachings. …and he used the same times they were using the Brahmins …and then he would use Buddhist incense to deliver that. So, actually, the Buddha laid that…

…peave the way for us. In a way, the methodology he used to convince all people were going to see him. …and just use the same times like karma. It was already used in Indian thoughts. nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda nda There's even parks. It's called remembrance parks. What the Buddha when Buddha came was so this is a beautiful word. So the Buddha just used gave it a higher philosophical psychological value to the same ones. That's what I use in Africa too. Thank you very much then. Thank you. It's been a pleasure to meet you and to learn from you. Thank you. Likewise. Thank you. It's been a pleasure to meet you and to learn from you. Thank you.

Likewise. Big thanks to Bonte Boudrequita. That was a really fun interview and I hope to stay in touch with him. Big thanks as well to all the people who work incredibly hard on this show. Samuel Johns is our senior producer. Marissa Schneidermann is our producer. Our sound designers are Matt Bointen and Anja Sheshek from Ultraviolet Audio. Maria Wartel is our production coordinator.

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