Ten Thousand Losses - Just Be Protestant Already

Episode Date: June 23, 2022

CW: Sexual Assault 29 minutes onward. Tom and Liam ride again. There's a bit of sports news, mocking of tradcaths, and the formation of the Justin Roczniak fan club, but there's also more serious talk. The lads talk about Deshaun Watson and the NY Times investigation into his "alleged" sexual crimes, expanding out to how culpable this makes the Houston Texans and the NFL at large for enabling this sort of behavior.  Follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/tenklossespod   Leave us a voicemail: 267-371-7218 Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/tenthousandlosses 

He is actually going to eject a fan. Because bad things happen in Philadelphia, bad things. The fan jumped into the penalty box area. Joy doesn't come to Philadelphia and stand here and dodge ice balls. We, the Dallas Cowboys, had assassinated John Kennedy. So, how about them Tradcats? Dude, if I don't, like, how how are you gonna say the pope's not catholic he's actually the catholic right like he's it it it's just him man it's a uniquely american sort of way of thinking about it that you somehow like right wing american catholic thing where you

just want to be a protest Protestant so goddamn badly yeah just be a Protestant Amy Coney Barrett tale uh Scalia Scalia yeah just be Protestant that's what you want you want the death penalty you can't be Catholic if you want the death penalty like at least be consistent um I even like fucking

Santorum at least had the you know he was like well I don't really like the death penalty yeah and he was fine with his wife getting an abortion oh yeah of course uh but yeah i i don't know what it is well i i do know what it is uh i i stumbled on the there's like an ex-catholic reddit which wow yeah so it's it's about to just get off reddit is what i'm learning more and more at this point is that like i need to stage some sort of intervention for you i'm gonna come home you guys are all gonna be here uh we gotta get you off my wife would actually probably be supportive of that um but it's like wife if you're listening blink twice yeah uh she not she uh the ex-catholic reddit is like maybe 10 good takes and then 90 just

reddit atheism fedora takes that's the least shocking thing i think i've ever heard yeah i was disappointed because i was hoping it would be like people who are like you know i have this like cultural connection and i respect like you know the people who go out and feed the hungry and who actually like take aren't about the proselytizing and about just about doing good deeds. Cause Catholicism requires you to do good deeds to go to heaven because that logically makes sense. Right. And,

um, I know. Yeah. Nah. So, I mean, it's like, I guess it's,

uh, well, it's not Wednesday. I was gonna say it's track half Tuesday, but we're recording this on a Wednesday. Um, but yeah, no,

the Pope, uh, he's a vicar of Christ. so you can shut the fuck up um yeah i i i uh i'm gonna back you this one time with this one time only theologically right so and it's it's funny having you go in and like say nice things about the pope i i have my problems with the pope obviously i have my problems with the roman catholic church but i i have my i have my problems with sort of any institution the catholic church is not unique in that right um i uh yeah i i just i hate protestants a lot more than i hate catholics i sort of have a begrudging like uh like of catholics given that my girlfriend is one and my dad was one before he decided that he would rather be jewish because apparently everything up into the uh

your book uh makes sense and then it stops and and then you you have to stop yeah well the the the gospel of mark is is the only like one that actually makes sense anyway. One for four ain't bad. I mean, it's interesting because you were tweeting about doing the bonus on Catholicism, which I believe was the first time you invited me to the podcast, which is probably like how long it will go from now. Yeah, that thing has been stuffed in the desk drawer for a while. There's a release in case there's like several like release in case of emergency episodes that we have oh uh not not not that are recorded but like that i roughly have an outline for

and could write uh and there's what there's ones that like will just get us canceled yeah like i i have rolling around the outline for a uh a bonus episode on communism in case i ever have to go nuclear and release it myself no don't do that no that's just i'll release the bonus on anarchism i'll hijack the fee you have access to it i suppose please don't do that no uh i uh no uh that would be that would be a an interesting um uh yelling that would just be you yelling into the wind yeah no one would listen to me and i would kind of deserve it yeah uh i was thinking of like though like you have episodes like ready to go in case like it's like a dead hand yeah that's the communism bonus yeah no no one's heard no one's heard from the podcast in like a week and two days and then it automatically just drops every single it's actually that's a good

idea to motivate you guys to stay on schedule is you have like the most cancelable episode it's just you guys doing racist accents and it's proof that Alice actually is a cop right now. It's your CIA badge. It's Roz's. I don't know what Roz's cancelable would be. He has a CDL.

His dad's an alleged human being. I didn't know that. That's known. I'm not releasing information that shouldn't be released. That's penance. He's atoning for it. Although the sins of the father are not on the son.

If it makes you feel better, his dad doesn't like him. He doesn't like his dad much. You know what? Why don't we edit out what his dad does for a living, actually? I'll do that. I don't want edit out what his dad does for a living, actually? Okay, I'll do that. I don't want to get yelled at. All right, I'll bleep it in the funniest way possible.

Thank you. His dad's a nice guy. Oh, I mean, you know, my dad's dead, so... He was an asshole, too. Joe's dad killed himself and blamed Joee so like there's we got some bars in this uh oh well my uh my uncle killed himself in my dad's house while my dad was dying of cancer so that seems a it's rude yeah it's a little rude um yeah all right welcome to an a podcast about what is ostensibly sports

it's supposed to be funny and and like like good humor yeah like light-hearted uh we sometimes are not that what are you are you drinking beer oh you're done aren't you yeah i'm done that's why you were texting me at 2 30 this afternoon i was like doesn't he shouldn't he be working yeah i was like wondering i was

like when like If you wanted to record early, we could have done that. I know you have a fake job. I do have a fake job. Oh, shit. In two years, the Catholicism bonus will be out

where you're going to be round robin 15 minutes, which every Catholic you know, that also, like, you'll get me, you'll get... Well, Roz is obviously... You'll get your dad. You can get Francis. Corinne. Yeah, Francis volunteered. That's... It's almost like a clip show.

Yeah. I just... I need you people to come on and record fragments for us and then make Ross put them in post, which I'm sure he's going to be thrilled about. Yeah. He was annoyed that the episode I did had the animations, which meant that the video quality had to

be much higher. Yeah. So here's the thing about why I don't feel bad about that. Now, I love Ross very dearly, obviously. I built that man, that computer, so he could render as fast as possible. And he plays fucking Factorio with it. Oh, shit. Yeah.

I'm just like, he's like, oh, I'm going to have to do this. I'm like, that computer is specifically designed to do that he's got he's probably running a a computer that he made out of conveyor belts in factorio though so yeah i've i've been in his room and i can confirm a lot of belt driven machinery in places it probably shouldn't pay uh yeah he's gotta watch the hair sometimes, man. Yeah, well, that's why he got a haircut. Welcome back to Roz Fancast. Yes. So tell... All right, never mind. I'm not going to make that joke.

We're not the fan fiction. All right, let's talk about it. Let's get penile here. All right. Hey, let's go. So welcome to another episode of 10,000 losses. The only Philadelphia sports podcast that exists. I'm Tom Payne.

My pronouns are he, him and my cohost is yay. Liam, Liam Anderson. My pronouns are also he and him. Oh man. I just wanted, I wanted to shout out to,

I forgot to mention this. Someone changed their pledge to four 20. So thank you, thank you. Thank you. Please. Yeah. Um, thanks for the money guys.

Yeah. So, uh, the, the last episode didn't get uploaded because it's in like eight different parts. And I had like, I kept crashing.

That was my fault. Yeah. Yeah. The crypto breaks strikes again. I, uh, I, I finally,

you want to know what the solution was to my overheating issue yes taking the side fan off i'm topless baby i i have taken the side off of the entire computer it just blew like taking a box fan that's basically what i'm doing yeah uh hey if it's stupid it works it ain't stupid that's the damn truth oh all right uh so june bonus uh we should be recording that um at the end of the month as is tradition but the july bonus looks like we'll get recording done early so uh what are we recording the july bonus i think it's a nice six or something like that uh yeah yeah i can do that. First week of July. Yeah, I'll be around. But it's going to be like 9pm because fucking central time.

Yeah, don't worry, folks. We actually plan this good is what we do. Yeah, I got off of work. See, the school year ends, but I still take my fucking ADHD meds. So I got to find something to do. He wrote an entire Well, there's your problem bonus episode.

Well, the middle third isn't filled in yet, but the top and the bottom are done. I liked I was like, oh, wow, he got the notes done earlier. Then I opened it. I was like, this is fucking Latin. Dude, I spent I spent

30 minutes trying to fight to translate. Well, there's your problem into Latin correctly. Thank you. So, so I, you know,

um, by marital, by that effort alone, uh, or at Labora, right? Uh, all right,

let's, let's get back to, let's get back to this podcast. Um, I'm sorry. Uh, we're trying we promise i i know i i have all this catholic shit in my brain right now too it's like like it keeps bouncing around but let's get back to this so uh yeah uh so we'll have a june bonus with with with alice that'll be out when it's out um and then july bonus we're gonna do something about st louis with uh francis from hell of the way so uh yeah and then um voicemail call it 267-371-7218

patreon.com slash 10 000 losses and uh we never talked about what i said we were gonna talk about the last one but whatever um about what we want to do for the $3, hypothetical $3 tier. Oh, yeah, yeah. We can talk about that. Yeah. Shit. And let's see. When you're listening to this, I'll probably be in Los Angeles. Yeah.

City of Angels. Speaking of Catholicism. All right. Baseball. Let's talk about the Phils. We're talking about right. Baseball. Let's talk about the Phils. Talk about the Fightins. Let's talk about the Fightins. Why won't this goddamn Minnesota Twins bootleg stream work? You have.

Oh, you know what? It doesn't work. MLB TV on the YouTube TV, it doesn't work unless you have their out-of-state package. It's fucking stupid. That's state package. It's fucking stupid. Very stupid. It's very dumb. Fuck MLB TV. Fuck baseball for trying to kill the sport.

Um, but let's talk about the Phillies real quick. Um, Phillies had a nine game. I'll be right back. Corinne just got home. All right. I'll pause.

All right. So, uh, we're back after that short pause. No, no, nothing died. There was no podcast. Corinne came in to visit. came in to visit and she just got home from work yeah and we were just saying bootleg stream of the

day kansas city royals versus the san francisco giants uh go look at gabe kapler admire his physique um yeah we got a two two bottom of the fourth to out one count one man on base. Who's on? Who's on first? I don't know who's on first, but San Francisco is bad. What's on second? All right. Oh, all right.

So Phil's nine game win streak. They and then they pooped their pants. They pooped their pants against the Dimebacks. Then they won again against the Marlins and then they pooped their pants big time yesterday against the Marlins and then they won today. Walk off. So yeah, it's night game win streak. I'll fix a lot

of your clubhouse woes. Yeah, it turns out Joe Girardi sucked ass so much. He was really bad. We've talked about how how much impact does a coach or manager have and we kind of said it wasn't much and then but it turns out when a guy when you know a guy is not willing to have your back

like that does a lot of damage I wonder if if he was like really micromanaging their at bats because there was a lot of like takes on pitches that we you'd be like oh shit that's a meatball down the middle and it might have been like you're taking the first strike no matter what or you're taking the first two no matter what right and i i don't know but they

seem to be really happy the the bats are eating up the bullpen still sucks oh the bullpen's terrible all gas no brakes yeah and and cory can able yesterday he lost his job as the closer. Thank God. Fucking Tex Ass. That's where he's from. He sucks as a player. He also sucks as a person. He's an anti-vaxxer. He hasn't come straight out and said a bag of shit,

but he's made Instagram posts, like making fun of people and stuff like that for, for says, yeah, he got it this year. Fucking dumb ass. Oh,

he looks like a real piece of shit too. Oh yeah. You could, you just like look at him. He's like, Oh, that, that mouth says that's,

that mouth says hard are like, you could look at his. So, um, I think someone would like, would like, uh, saw his mom at a game and she was wearing like a,

you know, like a, like a biker fake. Was it one percenter ass jack percenter shit? One percenter motorcycle. Oh, yeah. Yeah. OK. Motorcycles. Yes. OK.

Yeah. Yeah. You can't mix up your percent. I'm sure there's plenty of three percenters. Yeah. Yeah. Shit. Yeah. So he sucks. He lost aers. Yeah. Shit. Yeah.

So he sucks. He lost a job. Phillies win that. We're only I think only two games over 500 now. The Nats are terrible and you get to feast on them for like 20% of your remaining game. Oh, we're one game over 500. Oh, well, yeah, we play the Nats, the Rangers. And then I'm going to see the padres in san diego

so that's awesome are you going to mexico am i going to mexico no i'm not should i go to mexico yeah mexico's rules uh all right so you know how like i'm in denial of an anxiety disorder yeah the idea of going to like tijuana great city. Great town. Is it? I'm sure. You just hear bad shit. The trauma from growing up in a very horrible... Like having one of your friends killed when you were 10 years old.

Hearing gunshots and anger. Many times. Understandable. It kind of fucks with me a bit. That's why I had a hard time in Puerto Rico, despite how nice the people were like you know one knuckle hit will ruin it for whatever true but yeah we're going to LA we're going to

go into San Diego I'm going to get drunk as fuck on $7 stone IPAs at the San Diego Zoo and laugh at the Tigers dude that's a blast that's you that's you right have you been yeah I have been. Not as an adult. I was as a kid. Oh, dude, it's even better

as an adult. And I want to visit the take the, what is it, the fucking gondola that the Marines fucked up. That's a hell of a way to die episode where they talk about that. But yeah,

so Philly's doing good. Don't have a So they talk about that. Um, but yeah, so Phillies, Phillies doing good. Uh, don't have a ton of other shit right now, though. We should be in the market for a center fielder and a couple bullpen guys. And maybe, maybe like a,

like a number six pitcher, like a guy who could be a long reliever, but stretch out, um, spend the money, spend the money. You're, do you know how,

do you know how much they're going to spend with the luxury tax right now? How much? $600,000. That's how much they've got or how much they're going to spend? That's how much they're going to spend at their current luxury tax. Okay. And that's what they were worried about it. Go over. Yeah.

Forget the Cohen tier. Make it the John Middleton tier. Show to owners meetings doing the Manziel hands thing. I will say this about Middleton. I don't know if you've heard this. He actually goes and hangs out in the cheap seats during games and talks to fans. I mean, that's good.

Spend more fucking money. Yeah, and spend hours not like 15 minutes like he'll talk to somebody for 30 40 minutes and uh i was like i think that's pretty maybe i guess maybe the tipping pitches guys were right that we could do worse for owners yeah um yeah we could have whoever owns the uh oh god the family that owns the cubs. That's hideously. The Ricketts. The Ricketts. Fuck the Ricketts. Fuck the nuttings. Oh yeah. Fuck the guy who owns the Reds.

Fuck who any mid-market team that just does not treat their players. Well, like fuck them. Absolutely. All right. So basketball, your beloved, your beloved Boston Celtics.

One game away from elimination because they won't stop shitting in their pants. Yeah, they got doo-doo pants. They got doo-doo pants. It's making the floor real slippery. Yeah, they got doo-doo pants. It's frustrating. But we made it to the finals and the Sixers didn't so at least we can hang that on them i guess al horford like burnt himself out that first game yeah the magic finally wore off the al gore al horford hero ball magic finally finally waned

i no i i hold on the al gore hero magic that you almost said like i'm now imagining al goreford senator from tennessee with a mean skyhook oh man that uh there's a there's an alternate history timeline called eyes turned skyward which is about if al gore became president is it good uh well it's also based on like on if NASA hadn't gone with the space shuttle, if they stay with capsules. Interesting. Yeah, it's kind of interesting. It's a much more realistic,

like America turns to social democracy in the 90s kind of timeline. It's an interesting breath of shot. Let's check it out. Yeah. The spaceships are the coolest part. That Apple TV series, was it called For All Mankind? worth a shot check it out yeah um the the spaceships are the coolest part that that tv that uh apple tv series uh was it called for all mankind kind of steal someone's shit like there's some plot points they've taken from that all right uh basketball uh hardened contract

uh so interesting to see i don't know i i've we're only hearing rumors but like some people were saying like what's his name uh trader spike eskin it's just saying we should uh we should prepare for having a five-year hardened deal please no i don't please give us like three years 130 million please days too old two years in the club option how How about that? Yeah, let's do that. Hey, what year? We're pro-roakers, goddammit. Because then you could trade him. I don't know. No, fuck it. Supermax.

Give him the Supermax. Give him the Supermax. Supermax. And he retires here as the strip club emperor Zario. He's bringing Delaware Ave back, baby. Oasis is coming back. Somehow Gets Hot wins three titles in a row. All the strip clubs in Philadelphia are legally required

to rename themselves James's Place. Yes. It's like Nick Foles. You have one blaze of glory and you'll never pay to drink in the city again. No. Nope. Nick Foles has a statue, doesn't he? For the Philly Philly? Yeah. With the Philly Special. Yeah. Nope. Dick Foles has a statue, doesn't he? For the Philly Philly? Yeah, with the

Philly Special. Yeah. Love our big dick boy. All right. We're kind of skimming through the news real quick. There's not a tonics outside of a baseball. We have a serious topic. We'll get to it. But hockey.

Oh, who fucking cares? Not the lightning. That is my response. I said root for the roof to collapse. Yes, absolutely. Although the avalanche have cool colors. The avalanche are fun. Give them that. They score a lot. They win a lot of games like nine seven. All right.

I hate the lightning. I hate their bullshit nonsense. I don't believe that Florida deserves to exist. Do you believe it should be absorbed into its neighboring states? Give it to Cuba. Okay, I was going to say. Give it to Cuba. Or give it to Cuba.

Oh, yes. Yes, please. You can see what my face I'm making right now. Why is everyone calling me a gazana? I'm just imagining the headquarters of the Miami Herald being co-opted for the new communist, for the Florida branch of the Communist Party of Cuba. I just, let me think about that for a second. Just, oh. Beautiful, beautiful.

And even you're on board with it. See? This is left unity. Oh, fuck. All right. I genuinely wanted to buy a Los Barbudos jersey and my wife said,

some Cuban will fucking gank you for that. You cannot have that. All right. So Flyers, who the fuck wants to coach them? I don't. wants to coach them? I don't. Would you coach them? No.

I mean, yes, because I think it would be hilarious if they gave me a coaching position. All right, boys. We are not going to play with a goaltender. You earn a goaltender when you score goals. You get up three to protect the lead. That is the only time you guys get a goal i like this brand of hockey uh what i i i ironically think that's an interesting idea uh i'm just i i'm just going down the road to the uh to the phillies organization for all my tips yeah goaltender by committee hope you fuckers can skate

oh hell yeah so so land hockey the union I guess it's the midseason break or something the midseason break if you played 14 games I don't know I don't know how it works sorry

our stalwart duped up Charlie lightning I'm sorry let us know when there's a game we can watch also let us know if you made it home safe after those two voicemails yes yes he did like something the other day so I think he's alive hooray

no one's heard these voicemails yet because that episode's not all right but no one's heard these voice fields yet because that episode's not out all right but uh we should probably go to it I mean why not it just sucks to get to

because it's in fucking Chester let's see we're playing all right hold on hold on a second okay so Miami's team's called inter miami are you fucking serious all right the larping is going like between that and and and real salt lake that's that's all right whatever all right uh fuck football You got the name wrong. The guy's name is Devin Allen. Really?

I just, my brain just went to Devante. That's Devin Allen. He's 27 years old. I know it's been a while since I've played football, but I played it my whole life. Allen said in a video interview with NBC Sports Philadelphia from his apartment in Annapolis, Maryland. Yeah.

Wait for the next part. Wait for the next part. Hopefully, it's going to be like riding a bike. He's going to die out there. He was a four-star recruit. He went to Oregon. The last time he played football was in 2016.

He suffered. He blew up his ACL and MCL. Oh, uh, he wanted to return to football. Then COVID. Yeah,

I'll do it. Uh, but if he's still that fast, you know, I mean, dude, so he ran an eight point, a 12,

a 12.84, 110 meter hurdle I do that dude my my talk about ACL and MCL my left knee wouldn't last the first yeah no my legs would snap in half and it's like that shit the

the one guy said like I think I can score 20 as long as nobody's defending me and the other guy tweeted back you would die in the first minute of the first quarter. Yeah, that's us. In the MLB, the show, there's new announcers this year in the game. And then one of the canned questions

that comes up with the announcers that you hear like 800 times because every time you play is, do you think you could get a walk in the major leagues and the main announcers like if they gave if they if the other team had a false scouting report I was like all right at least that's that's honest

yeah yeah but yeah the yeah shit so he impressed the Eagles Mike judge against Oklahoma type of shit or against Texas in the Red River rivalry where he on purpose dropped a fake

scouting report Mike Leach did hoping that the other team would pick it up and they did and it took them ages to figure out that they were being bamboozled it's like the fucking leaving the orders in the cigars and he didn't use follow up on them during the Civil War because he at first

because he thought it was a fucking or am I mixing my stories up on them during the Civil War at first because he thought it was a fucking... Or am I mixing my stories up? The orders in the cigars. Was that Antietam? I have no idea. History podcaster. Shit. Orders in the cigars.

Not ordering cigars. Oh, Jesus Christ. Civil War. Special Order 191. Talk about yourselves. So, yeah, during the Maryland campaign, it was recovered by Union troops. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, for the Battle of South Mouth and Antietam. Oh, we did take it seriously. All right, cool. Something good that McClellan did. The one thing good that McClellan did. Oh, he failed to fully explore it because he thought it was a trap which General Halleck

proposed all right fuck Halleck all right I don't really hate him that much he's just whatever anyone who's not Sherman or Sherman Thomas or Grant yeah don't have the highest it was kind of like Ambrose Burnside

yeah yeah Burnside. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Burnside school and the German communist one. I forget what his name was. Yeah. Yeah. He's kind of cool. All right. So we'll see how this kid goes, but that's that's an insane, insane hurt. I mean, I guess if you could line up the opposing

players spaced out like they were make him do a were. Make him do a hurdle. Make him do a hurdle. He could hurdle down the entire field. All right. So, over a half hour in. That's good. Sort of some serious shit that we touched on in the last episode or two.

I can't remember. Last episode, I think. Yeah. So, Deshaun Watson. Yeah. Let's talk about this and the new york times investigation i do want to say just probably don't listen to the rest of the episode if you if yeah for trigger warning for sexual assault yeah rape all that sort of thing coercion

that all that sort of shit that the rest of this episode is going to be talking about that we'll try not to be too um you know right but still um let's give sort of a high level and then we'll get into the allegations themselves and yes what ramifications there are if they're any there aren't spoiler yeah um yes capitalism it sucks uh so deshaun watson is a player for now now the cleveland browns i forgot i had forgotten about that for like half a second because it was drowned out by you know the other shit that was going on right and signed a deal with 230 million dollars five years guaranteed and baker mayfield asked for a trade and they said no.

Well, the rumor about that is that basically they're expecting him, Deshaun Watson, that is, to be suspended for the entire season. Oh, yeah, that's a good outcome. But we'll get to that because that's something you get for sexual assault. All right. So there's 24 lawsuits alleging sexual abuse of him or by him of massage therapists and they sort of like dribbled out over over time and there's um basically demanding women that were giving him massages to perform sexual acts um sometimes it was during the massage. Sometimes it was like trying to follow up with them later. But,

you know, he also touched them without his permission and, and there was some coercion there as well, or he would touch them with his genitals. Like it, not a good, not a good look to put it mildly. And I said this the last episode that you're not like

entitled to sex no just because they're massage therapists like right and and i i the thing i've i've been saying and this is i know in our culture we have this sort of we do have the skepticism of assault claims and all that right uh which obviously i believe women would be like 24 fucking different people are watching the same thing yeah come on now yeah there's a there's a you have to take like the body of evidence and things that come out and you know i i always say yeah you believe you believe women and obviously you know know, I don't know. It's tough. It's tough.

I think it's sort of one thing you could do, though. And this is, you know, like I always get mad when they suspend cops with pay. Right. Because those are supposed to be public servants who are at least hypothetically supposed to serve and protect the public. Right. Uh, a football player is not that, but the NFL should start doing that is like the second the NFL hears about

this, they say, okay, we're, we're putting you on the, the camp playlist until our investigation is complete. Yes, you will receive your salary and it does incentivize the teams

to not fucking trade for these guys. Because it's like, then we're just paying you dead money. Right. I mean, it's... I think it's a problem with no good answers, but... Yeah, it's...

I'm trying to formulate my thoughts. Yeah, there needs to be an investigation. You need to take these accusations seriously. There's a lot of them and you have to let things bear out. Obviously, everyone's entitled to their due process or whatever. But when you're working for the NFL, your private employer does not is not beholden to the same you know like we could say innocence of proven guilty all we want but like

that has nothing to do with like his job he doesn't need to be throwing touchdowns right while he's being sued by 24 women exactly um and um he's he's he's claimed he's innocent this entire time uh very doubtful that personally um i'm sure you are too oh yeah uh two grand juries declined to charge him but uh we'll get into that because there's some interesting stuff there too um and the nfl really has yet to make a decision right so uh which i misspelled here and they've been more or less silent on it yeah and the nfl really has yet to make a decision right so uh which i misspelled here and they've been more or less silent on it yeah and the browns have been like completely silent the browns came out when they traded for him and said we did our due diligence we talked to representatives for these women um you know this that the third thing and then it came out well no you didn't

they didn't do that they they knew what they were doing the whole time they they wanted their guy they got their guy and they're willing to eat whatever penalty it is for him to play yeah and and we should be clear that despite being a pro worker podcast we're not a pro fucking sexual assault product podcast oh absolutely if you do that you don't deserve to be in the fucking league kind of end of story not at least for me no um it's yeah we're pro worker but if you're accused of 24 women at your job of sexual assault um yeah you're gonna go on um indefinite leave until they figure the fuck out what's going on that's that's how it should be like you should like obviously do process, whatever. Fuck it. I hate common law anyway, but have an investigative investigatory judge. God damn it. Although in this case, I'm not sure that would have helped.

No. And the NFL should not be investigating itself ever. It's exactly the cops. No, it's well, in this case, the gray mare did an investigation. And the New York Times, I guess, is... Whatever. It sucks when it comes to politics, but I guess they still have some journalists on board. And you got to give credit where it's due when they do actually do some investigation, right?

Yeah. you got to give credit where it's due when they do actually do some investigation right um yeah so a couple different facts came out about this case because it's it's way more than 24 lawsuits like you have 24 lawsuits but that's not but there are 66 women he booked massages with correct in an 18 month period now i wonder why it would be 66 different women, Liam. I really, really wonder why it would be that many different women. Because wouldn't you be like, oh, this massage therapist is really good. I'm going to go to them all the time. Yeah. Isn't that how that works? If I were in search of a massage, yes.

Yeah. So that's real fucking interesting that it's 66 different women. In an industry that's like, I don't know how it is in texas how that license sure works but it it's sort of a sketchy industry yeah um that i had i had i they're passed away now i had a family member who was very fond of uh you know the massage parlors that were just fronts for you know uh sex trafficking sure uh type of

shit and that's that's common like everywhere like you have these like places that are essentially massage but he was going after private like like he said he wanted to support black businesses so he was going after like independent black massage therapists and i don't like i said i don't know what the licensure is um there was there was something that came up that you know he didn't care about how experienced they were that wasn't going to that positions it's like you'd think you'd want to find the most experienced like highly you're a professional athlete like yeah it's like caring about his body and the peak of performance yeah there's actual you know like real like certified massage therapist a physical therapist who like have to get licensure from their state board like and pass exams so so they don't actually kill people like chiropractors do

because chiropractic's fake um yeah come at me come at me guys uh if your chiropractor listens podcast please leave um but yeah uh and he acknowledged that he had he had sex with three of them so he straight up acknowledges that but this this power dynamic thing you know that's exactly right it is the power dynamic and the whole like masquerading behind like a do good act too and so it's so calculated

yeah like that's another part of it that's really fucking gross is how calculated and manipulative it is it's predator behavior and it's it's predator shit yeah because it's also like the fucking texans don't have a massage in-house yeah yeah like fuck like the every team's got their own in-house medicals guys they all have their fucking physical therapists like Like, come on. Like, like Jesus Christ. They, they all do. Um, so,

um, going further, there were, there were women who, who didn't sue, but when they were offered to talk anonymously, they, they,

they came out and said, right. There was stuff there. Apparently there was like 15 women who testified in his support. So there might not have been sexual impropriety in every single case, but it wasn't a lot of them. And sort of our point here. Yes.

Right. One sexual assault is too many. Exactly. In this case. And we have at least 24, you know, possible ones so where things start getting fucking real real shitty is when there starts to get rumors out on social media i believe it was instagram uh and the next day w Watson found an NDA in his locker.

Right. That was put there by the Houston Texan security director, who was a, I forget what he was. He was like an ex-FBI guy or something like that. So they gave them an NDA. That's a normal thing to do when you're getting a massage. Yeah. You know how you've had to sign NDAs to do get massages before,

you know? Uh, yeah, of course. Yeah. That shit's for like working for like fucking, I don't know, like Boeing or whatever.

Right. Like that, that shit's not for getting a massage that you're, yeah. The do not disclose my, you know, the, the shape of my fucking, know traps please don't talk

about my weird feet yeah uh shit and and so he started using it as a condition for pay so he said if you don't sign this i won't pay you so what does that sound like to you, Liam? Coercion. Yeah, that sounds like coercion. Yeah. Because it is coercion. And I love this statement too that during deposition, Sean Watson said, the Texans weren't aware of the massage appointments at the hotel that

I know of. They weren't aware that I know of. That's great legal ease there. That is great legal ease. Yeah. So that he knows of. They fucking gave him an NDA they know what's going on like like I'm sure that teams have someone assigned

to like you know their social media or whatever they probably also in their legal department the idiot monitor yes yeah just have a sense of what the fuck's going on with their players, right? And teams know who's drunk driving. Teams know all this. They know this shit.

So here we get to that connection I want to talk about, which is his defense attorney. His name is Rusty Hardin, who's a former prosecutor. And before the grand jury, and he held a meeting with him, Watson, in the Harris County Sexual Crimes Prosecutor, Jonas Stallings. Yeah, you do that when things are going well for you. Yeah, you know how you have a meeting with the prosecutor, and then your lawyer has 12 phone calls and over two dozen text messages with the prosecutor. That's that's normal. Right. Oh, wait, it's not. It's normal to have some contact, but not that much.

And even if you're looking at you have to have some contact. Right. Right. But but for for for all of this, there was there was one one of the things I saw in the article was like his lawyer texted Stallings like right after the deposition was like anything crazy. Something like that. I'm paraphrasing, but like. Right. That's a little.

Obvious. Suspicious. Yeah. It's crazy, though, how these grand juries declined to prosecute him criminally. Yeah. Right. Right. So no criminal charges filed against him uh both times that

happened fucking insane how that happened you know like there's there's no backroom buddy buddy i wouldn't want to insinuate that either because this is active legal matter but it's just it's interesting interesting is the word we're gonna go with yeah makes you really say hmm yep all right so uh yeah those about how about those ramifications um so this all came out in the new york times uh the browns are still silent on this so fuck them they like again they clean they did their due diligence and they didn't they no they didn't investigate shit they don't care no um it's it's it's no it's absolutely fucking insane. Like, and, and the Texans like, Oh, sneakily dropping an NDA into his fucking locker. Like, yeah, that's endorsement.

Like, you know, that's endorsement. You know what's going on and you're fine with it. Yeah. And you're giving him like a legal thing instead of telling him like, Hey, knock it the fuck off. Yeah, dude. Which is what you should be doing. Do you want to go like like we can send you out to

to fucking vegas and we can get this done legally if you really need to the fuck like someone not under we don't care we don't care your job is like football as long as you do it legally and on the up and up we don't give a shit yeah we will provide what you need to have provided yeah do you want to go to the netherlands or whatever like sure we don't care like like like whatever like like like if it's in vegas i don't care it's between two consenting adults it's legal like right like there are we can find you an escort or something like but i you know it's like dude like i like i don't know if he just gets like like it was like when robert kraft got busted i was like you couldn't find anyone else

to fucking do this yeah i i part of me thinks it's like the whole fucking like the chase is like his thing oh yeah you can't like diagnose that. But whatever. Like, that's what it sounds to me. It's like, like I said, it's predator behavior. It's going after like, yeah, this person won't be a victim. I'm going to go to another one. And I'm going to find like keep finding new networks of people like where, you know, it's

like the Catholic Church, like you send them to a new parish, right? Like find people who don't know about it um you know the the and the houston texans are like like like fuck them to begin with like there's a shitty organization like um just just fuck them like like like for this shit like this tolerating it like whether it was that it was the the security director of his own volition like fuck him or if it was the team knowing about it like you're telling me the general manager didn't fucking know about this shit no like come on they know everything yeah that's like how parents already know you're sneaking out they're just letting you do it right uh yeah i or in class i know you're trying to copy off your neighbor, right?

And I'm just, you know, you just need to win right now. Or you're copying off idiot and I want to let you fail too. But, I mean, this is like a deep-rooted problem in the NFL. Like with guys like, what's his fucking name on Kansas City? Tyreek Hill. He's on the Dolphins now, but yeah. With guys like, what's his fucking name on Kansas City? Tyreek Hill. He's on the Dolphins now, but yeah. The NFL had the audio of him beating the shit out of his kid the entire time.

Dislocating his kid's shoulder and all that kind of stuff. Or the Adrian Peterson shit. Which we've talked about before. Or the punter for the Giants who beat the piss out of his wife. And there was basically, well, you don't want him to lose his job, do you? Yeah. Is this league the worst when it comes to this stuff like out of out of the major sports league yeah at least it's the most visibly the worst yeah i i feel like i feel like this

this has to be like it's absolutely like money money is all that matters justice all that matters and you know honestly i think i think it's like knowing NFL. The NFL knows their demographic and thinks a lot of guys don't care about that. Because there'll be guys who are like, I don't give a shit about what he did. As long as he can throw a football, I want him on my team. And you guys want him to come to Philly over this shit. Yep. You meet a Jalen Hurts who's the nicest human being being ever who calls his grandma every day or something like that. And like, fuck, get rid of him.

Deshaun Watson. I want the rapist. Yeah, exactly. Alleged rapist. Makes you fucking insane, dude. They don't they don't give a shit. And so that is the question that begs the question then like what should be the fucking punishment here

like they're expecting him to be suspended or whatever like I feel like he should be out of the fucking league like if you did this at your fucking bank or whatever the fuck you work at at the grocery store whatever you do like what do you think the penalty would be

you're not getting out of the jury and I'll like you're not you're not getting out of the grand jury I'll tell you that but you're not having a job like no like no you wouldn't and you shouldn't be treated special just because you can throw a football real good I mean they should a team righteously would disavow

the guy say nah he's done we're cutting him fuck him and you know shit like you can't ever find another quarterback like really right you you can find another quarterback don't worry yeah yeah you'll be fine like like i don't know fucking just take the league nationalize it um fire all the owners into the sun uh fire deshaun watson into the sun with the rest of the assholes uh i don't know right to the sun yeah but suspension's not enough it's a and it's and if he gets away with all this shit it's abrogation justice like it's just you're not you're not

entitled to sex dude just and you will find people who want to have sex with you you're deshaun watson i get right you're a fucking young nfl guy like you will there's you have no problem getting laid dude like like if that's like your thing like it seems like it's not like it seems like it's the the circumstances around it i don't know dude like pay some escort to do that with you like like like find someone who's into it like doing the role play or whatever like like you don't have to fucking like that's the thing it's like it's like his position right like having all this money and having this this this sort of power that the money confers and that being a quarterback starting quarterback confers allows him to and the team enabling

him allows him to do these things that if you've got like this like kink like like you will find other people that also like you will find someone or you can pay someone who will pretend to have it right so yeah so fuck you dude like I don't know I don't know what else to say about that like it's no

and the up to the point where I you should contract the fucking Texans over this yeah shit what were they before they were the third new the point where you should contract the fucking Texans over this. Yeah. Shit. What were they before? They were the new fridge. No, they were always the Texans. They were always Texans. All right. The Oilers were the Titans. Yeah. Now

I don't know. Get rid of the Texans and give Mexico City a team or something. I don't know. That'd be cool. Yeah. I would not want to play my home game away games at Stadium Azteca. I'll tell you that right now. That would not want to play my home game away games at stadium, a stadium as tech. I'll tell you that right now that,

that, that would fucking rock. Yeah, no, not as a, as a home team. Yes. As an away team.

No. Yeah. I imagine that's, that's like coming to the link on steroids. Yeah. Um, especially, especially,

I mean, you have like the, the Eagles will wear their white jerseys at home when it's hot out? You've got to do that for the first two months. Oh, man. Just play shirtless. Only pads. Shirts and skins.

I'm going to tell you, there's certain segments of the population who would turn into those games. You'd get a lot more people watching that you wouldn't expect um but yeah uh the browns should be fined you know the browns i i i figure the browns should basically uh lose all draft picks from

here till about 2026 mm-hmm uh i'd be fined you know a couple million dollars at the least. Yeah. Who fucking owns that team? Who owns this shithead team? It used to be the

McNair's. Oh, it's his wife. Oh, great. Great. Yeah. Great job. Fucking assholes. Their uniforms are lame. Their logo sucks. Fuck the Texans. Go be an independent country. See how you do.

Yeah. Enjoy your power grid that doesn't work. Yeah. Yeah. Adoring the heat wave they're having right now, too. Though, if you're listening to this and you're a Texan, the leftist, Solidarity. Just decent human beings. Solidarity with you. Fuck your government. Shit.

Dude, I don't know. I think at a certain point we should probably do a longer form thing on just overall... The NFL's so-called justice system? Yeah. Just how shitty it is. It really is. There's, cause it really is there.

There's, I mean, I know like baseball players and baseball fans like are tend to be conservative, but like when it comes to just being shit bag owners, the NFL has got the, it's got it on lock. It feels like,

yeah. Like just being a bad person, like on top of it, like, I don't know. They just don't give a shit. Not at all. Yeah, it fucking sucks.

So I don't know. We got nothing in the mailbag to follow up with that. I'm not doing a joke after that shit. Yeah, we're not doing a joke. That's going to be it for this week. Yep. So voicemail 267-371-7218. We are cleared out after the mailbag episode. So feel free

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We'll try and do something, I guess. Well, we'll have... Hopefully the bonuses are fun. Yeah. We'll talk about Philly sports fans being just idiots. Which we're real good at. Yep. And comparing them to British hooligans or whatever.

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