Ten Thousand Losses - Stick-N-Nod

Episode Date: December 24, 2023

The boys are back for your Yuletide enjoyment. Before Tom & Liam left for their respective vacations in undisclosed locations, they took the time to talk about how to [redacted] your boss, talk about Eagles stink, and how the Phillies haven't done anything - but, on the bright side, the 76ers can actually ball now. Have a great holiday, everyone! Leave us a voicemail! (give your name and pronouns): 267-371-7218 Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/tenthousandlosses  Follow us on Twitter: Podcast: https://twitter.com/tenklossespod Liam: https://twitter.com/notliamanders0n Tom: https://twitter.com/tohickontpain 

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the end of, like, a word, it'll, like, cut out, it'll cut back in, and then if there's noise in the background, the noise also modulates. That's fucking insane, apparently. Wow. So the expander, yeah, the expander keeps a certain level of background noise in it to fill that in, if you configure it correctly. So that's why the bonus sounds better than the episode, because I learned that when I edited the bonus.

For which you are welcome. Yeah, you're welcome. And that was a good one. It was about fascism reaction in general in strength sports so um you know if you know if you want to hear us make fun of mark ripoteau jim wendler and assorted other give us your money yeah give us your the fucking dollar you know give us your money give us give us your money all right well All right. Well, yeah. Well,

you know, glad, gladiola. Yeah. To you. Gladiola on there. There you go. That was,

that was a bad old English, old English with a Philadelphia accent. I liked it. Yeah. Yeah. Old English with a Philadelphia accent. I liked it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Huat, Gardena, and Yerdayum. Yeah.

Matt, what if you had the time machine? You go back to the time, and that's the origin of the Philadelphia accent. That's just fucking hoagie mouth. that's just hell that's just how alfred the great spoke yeah we gotta get take care of these fucking danes coming into fucking dig heads gotta make this dane law bullshit fuck god damn it my favorite is is just in like studying this dumb bullshit that doesn't matter is is the viking or the the the english complaining and there's like an english guy he's complaining he's like yeah the the vikings they they comb their hair and bathe weekly and they keep and they're nice to women and they keep stealing them because they're like yeah they're they're they're taking their their their uh you know maidenhood away luring them with their nice smelling breath and combed locks of hair and good manners.

They'll get you. They'll get you every time. Anyway, shit. So, yeah, it's Yuletide. It's the holiday season. It's when's Hanukkah over? Is it over now already? Yeah, it's over.

Alright, so it's not Hanukkah anymore. The oil has rained out. Sorry, everybody. It's I don't know Kwanzaa's dates because I'm bad for it. It starts December 26th. Gotcha.

Boxing Day. Boxing Day. I'm going to be in a country that celebrates Boxing Day. I should probably not say that until I'm there so I don't get stopped at TSA. Yeah, you foolish man. I'm going to be in a Boxing Day country.

I'm going to be looking forward to eating all sorts of delicious food, such as pies with meat in them, pies with other meat in them. Delicious. Pies with fruit in them. Delicious. I got to say, the cuisine of the Great Britain and Ireland is slept on. I know people like the chute on it. I actually think it's good.

Maybe I'm just a weirdo. Irish chute is delicious. Yeah. I'm into that right now. Yeah. But I am also an Anglophile and a Hibernophile. Oh. Unlike Liam here, who's a Franklithi.

Yep. Yep. Franklithi. Franklithi. It's my worst qualityo-thee. Yep. Yep. Frank-o-thee. It's my worst quality as a human being. No, no, no. It's all right. It's all right. No, it's far from your worst, actually.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, you're an anarchist. I mean... No, shit. Fuck, dude. I don't know. I hope everyone's enjoying their... Up to the winter break. I hope everyone's enjoying their up to the winter break.

I hope everyone gets a winter break. If you don't get a winter break, just go on strike. Go on strike. Maybe boss. I mean, make sure your boss has a nice time. Whatever, dude. I mean, I'll have to bleep this, but, you know, if you can

pay for cash but if you can pay for cash... Which you can. And you can, and put that in your boss's ... That is a way to do that. Especially if they're already

someone who might already be having a... Yes, which, you know, God willing. Inshallah. The do its job. Um, yeah, I'll have to believe that,

but yeah, that's fine. Um, so, uh, yeah, uh, I guess,

I guess we're getting close to the, the, the NBA will finally be starting at Christmas. It's great. It's a great time. Yeah. It hasn't started yet, obviously,

as we know. Yep. Uh, well, I gotta say, so you guys over on the other podcast side, the WTYP side, got like a billion fucking toys for the kids, which is awesome. We did do that, except not to be an asshole. That was just Liam, baby.

Yeah. Well, shouts out to any listeners who sent toys over. I know a couple of you did, so that's pretty cool. Big ups. Thank you. Yeah, that does rock. It was cool.

Well, I guess, well, thanks and hello. Welcome. It's another episode of 10,000 Losses, the only Philadelphia sports podcast that exists. I'm your host, Tom Payne. My pronouns are he, him, with me is my co-host, a particularly festive co-host right now yay ho ho ho santa claus jewish santa claus why not why not why not there's jewish everything else might as well have jews santa claus thank you yeah um and uh what's jewish santa claus's uh pronouns he him ho ho ho yeah he him ho all right uh no guests today uh this is a guest this episode um patrick's dead we killed him yeah he's dead um we're recording this on our original

the first episode we ever recorded was like at like 11 a.m on a sunday i think yeah so this is like our original time this is a return to form yeah um yeah no announcements other than the bonus is out uh there's by the time this comes out there'll be a preview on the feed or if you go to patreon.com so it's 10 000 losses you can also listen to like the first five minutes of it. If you decide you like it, you can go and pay a dollar and get all of our episodes. We'll stab you in the heart. Yeah, exactly.

Right in the heart. We will materialize in front of your house and kill you. Yeah. A lot of threats in this one. Yeah, a lot of threats. Direct it towards listeners and their bosses uh i guess the only announcement is like we're both going to be away during the uh break so we'll i think we'll put as a holiday gift one of our old bonus episodes out in the feed for you guys to enjoy

during the break while both of us are on vacation in undisclosed locations and um we can't sorry yeah i'll tell you after i just don't want to get i don't want to get secondary screening um voicemail call in 267-371-7218 give us your name and pronouns tell us what you would do with santa claus's penis i guess yeah you know what keep that keep that one no that's fucked up keep that yeah i guarantee you if you typed in santa claus porn there's tons of it it has to be i'm not gonna type it in but i guarantee there is yeah there is um i'm looking it up right now oh god and i'm not doing it in incognito mode that's rule 34 man there's porn of it of it. It exists. If it doesn't exist, it will exist.

Yeah. It can't be good. I mean, I don't know. Maybe. Are you not aroused? I'm aroused. Are you not entertained?

I'm not aroused. So, let's do sports. Let's talk about sports. So, last time we recorded, I believe the Eagles had lost, and now they had lost again. The Eagles have done that again to the Cowboys.

Very demoralizing loss, I would say. Definitely. It was not a good game. It was not like a... I fell asleep. I only watched the first half, I would say. Definitely. It was not a good game. It was not like a... No, I fell asleep. I only watched the first half, and I got the recap. I fell asleep knowing, oh, I'm glad I'm going to bed now. That's how I felt too.

The defense looks like it can't do anything right now. Right, right. Or doesn't want to, maybe. The offense is uninspired. Looks like butthole. And I know there's a lot of common criticism, but some of it is right about running the ball, not running the ball enough to set up the pass,

not kind of focusing on the back to basics, but always trying to like get tricky with the routes and stuff like that fun yeah it's like that's nice but it's not working so yeah i got um i got a tricked by a fake a fake uh news post in which um aj brown they reported aj brown called jalen hurts the the black daniel jones oh no no I was like no no no I believed it for way too long like it took me about like 30 minutes to be like oh wait let me go check this no that's not real but uh thank God for that yeah that would have been very funny though if that that's what he would say um I don't think anyone's gonna be mean to Jalen Hurts like

Jalen Hurts is clearly injured and and're going into the... This is Sunday. They're talking about Hurts kind of being questionable for the start. With an illness, but I wonder if it's to give him a week. Yeah. You'll have found out by the time this comes out, listener.

Well, you texted me that and I said, well, unrelated news, Marcus Mariota has been found with polonium on his person. I thought that was very funny. Just trying to get trying to get another shot. You got a little taste of it last week and now he wants more. Yeah, clearly there's something up with his leg. And there's something with his leg all season.

Yeah, I. Yeah, and we don't know i don't know i don't know it's it's and in the cowboys game you know besides the defense not really stopping and the offense being frustrating um there was a shitload of penalties um it's just sloppy is kelsey got the shakes because he keeps getting yeah she's getting like false starts and shit like that yeah and he used to be like really really solid with that shit right you know so i don't know if they're just calling it more i know that you know certain penalties every year i guess they decide to focus on that yeah so i don't know if they're focusing a bit on false start i'd have

to look up if they're getting called more this year. It certainly feels that way. Yeah. It was a frustrating way to lose a game, certainly. Yeah. And it wasn't the penalty's fault. It was just the team playing. I don't know. Do you think the coordinators are back next year?

Yeah. Because who would want to fucking hire them? What might be worth investigating in the future is, like, how much of this is Sirianni? Well, we were very critical of Sirianni early on. We were. And I think we were right to be so. I think he's better as, like, the sort of, like, heart of the team guy. Like the team dad.

Yeah. And I guess he's... is he an offensive play caller? I think he is, but he turned over the reins last year and then went to the Super Bowl, so. Yeah. And if he, like – we had said this his first year. We had said this last year, and other people said this too. He's like, run the fucking ball.

Right. He just won't do it. And someone pointed out – I saw this online, that one of the announcers in game one or game two said that the Eagles like to run these complicated route patterns. And he's like, as soon as the other teams adjust to it, they're going to stonewall them. Right. And that's what I feel like is happening, because it's like three and outs. I totally agree.

It's baffling and mind-boggling to watch. And you know they're like, you can almost sense that the defense knows already what's being called. Can read it. Can read it really well. We're not doing a great job disguising. knows already what's being called. Right. You know.

Can read it. Can read it really well. We're not doing a great job disguising. No. And yeah, so like, let's, let's, all right, just hire me as offensive coordinator. I'm going to bring my playbook over from NCAA 14. We got four verts, five wide four verts.

We got, we got omaha we got bench switch all the good plays all the good plays that the ai oh stick and nod where the where the tight end does like a like a triple move it always leaves them open in the middle if it's cover two or cover four just leaves like wide open in the middle middle of the midfield yeah yeah so that i'm sure that that would work in real life too. Yeah, I believe so. I don't know why not. I mean, so I'm year three into my,

for those who really want to know, my Temple rebuild starting in 2013. So we're in 2015 now. I beat number eight Notre Dame at home. And that was why I last did. Yeah, and I'm going like nine and three each year. Wow, imagine that. Temple. Yeah, yeah.

Absolutely. With P.J. Walker. Oh, yes, yes, yes. The pride of Temple University. Yep. Hey, those guys from those teams, there's a couple of those guys in the league uh what's his name there's a line reddick's on the fucking tube that's on reddick tyler mccadavage yeah yeah and then uh yeah the the linebacker and then there's like one other guy uh another one dawkins is on there. Another linebacker. Um,

pick it up. Shit. It's another guy with like a Polish last name. Um, I don't know if he's still in the league or not, but he did get drafted anyway. Um, any other football news? Uh,

fuck the Cowboys. Oh yeah. That all sucks. Fuck Dallas. I'm just looking at the temple, the temple, uh, Anthony Russo. No'm just looking at the temple. The temple. Anthony Russo.

No. He was in the XFL. He's from Doylestown. He went to Wood. Oh, shit. Fuck Wood. Yeah. Yeah.

Fuck any school that's not North Catholic. There you go. Yeah. Poor Archbishop Ryan. Fuck Ryan. My father-in-law went to Ryan a girl I dated yeah sorry in this house we only recognize

North I don't even know who's North and O'Hara maybe Doc yeah and Docherty and dockerty yeah uh who went there uh kyle uh lowry went to doc kyle lowry remember him trying to nutmeg in the nba finals and i remember somebody tweeting only a fucking doc kid would try to nutmeg at the nba finals The biggest ass in the NBA.

All right. So there's been some big baseball news since we last talked. Shohei Ohtani to the Dodgers, like we all said, for $700 million. But? But, well, first I want to say that's the most a baseball player's ever been paid. We're getting close to that billion dollar contract. It's going to happen within the

next 10 years for baseball. I guarantee it. $700 million, but it's all deferred after his $700 million 10 years. He's not getting paid $70 million a year. He's going to take 2 million a year and the rest deferred comp. Yeah.

And that's allowed. Which is fine. So in... Because every other team would have done it exactly the same way. Right. Bryce Harper, you know, they want to, like, there's talk of them getting him, like, an extension.

If they do that, they'll probably, like, defer his money. If they do that um might not be a bad idea if it's a lot hey look if that's how you can game the system that's how you game the system like exactly it works for the players because it's almost like a pension right it's and it's not like sho hayes wanting for money he makes so much through endorsements i mean not that you2 million a year, I'd be fine. I'd be fine. And he doesn't seem like a super flashy guy, so he lives pretty

humbly as it is for a baseball player. So, you know, shit. No Phillies inside anyone that I can think of. Nope. We're still looking at that pitching prospect out of japan

right uh tied to him but yoshinobu yamamoto i know apparently he had dinner with the mets so oh come on dude yeah no it's like don't do that we gotta get someone like i don't think i think we've like the only thing we've done is like waiver guys. Right. Oh, he did meet with the Phillies. Yeah. The Phillies trade rumors. None of them good. Do go with the Yanks from the Sox.

I got Juan Soto. We already talked about. He's a Yankee now. Yeah. Yeah. Good for him. Yeah, yeah. Good for him. Yeah, great. Oh, we extended Rob Thompson. That's good.

I guess. I hope. I guess. Yeah, I know. I know. I know. You know, so we're going to come back with like Aaron Nola, Zach Wheeler, Ranger Suarez, Tyra Walken, and Christopher Sanchez. Hopefully they shore up the pitching rotation.

Yamamoto would be a major shore up. Yeah. And the team can afford it. Get to it, you fuckers. Use that. Come on, Milton. Use that fucking billions you got from your dad selling. Ill-gotten tobacco money, yeah. Yeah that fucking billions you got from your dad selling ill-gotten tobacco money.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do that. Just do that, please. For the love of God. Yeah, I think I think there's only I think the only stuff that we've done is like waiver wire guys. Nothing was done at the winter meetings. Cool. Thanks, dudes. Yeah. And at least Kimbrel will no longer be a Philly. Yeah, thank God, because I had run out of patience. Oh, yeah, I know. Oh, well, statistically, he had a good season. And then what happened?

Yeah, then what happened? Then what happened? Yeah. But anyway, back to Otani. So I think we all kind of knew, like I said, they was going to go there. I was kind of hoping for the Mariners just because I have a soft spot for them. But this $2 million a year thing means that they're not going to be hitting that luxury tax threshold. The Dodgers are good.

They're a model organization. They have a good minor league system. They have good development. They're just a good team. And they spend money. And they're going to be good forever. They just were able to trade. They got Tyler Glassnell and Manuel Margot. They want to win. money and they're going to be good forever they just were able to trade they got tyler glass now

and manuel margot like they just want they want to win like yeah they they have a dip yeah yeah but they they want to win and are geared towards winning yeah and they're like the braves are set up to do the same thing it's just like yeah yeah and and i hope that's i mean the phillies aren't a bad team obviously but we're we're like one double a as opposed to one yeah we're like one tier down yeah yeah we're one tier down and i just i really wish we can get you know, one good back of the pen guy, get Yamamoto. It would be awesome. And then I'd be happy. You know, I'm still concerned about the high percentage of, like, high strikeout guys we have.

But, you know, Stoddy's coming in to his own. And, you know, Alec Boehm, I think those guys are going to be the core. They're going to be stepping up as they mature. One hopes. I think Stoddy's going to keep growing. I don't know if Boehm's a year or two ahead of him. Boehm might be towards the ceiling. That just reminds me.

My wife, they have their leg days with the ladies on sunday like that's like days with the ladies it's really cute and they were doing like they were like we're gonna do bryson stott's girlfriend's routine oh no yeah so she had to show me that um it's not particularly like insane or anything like that but um yeah she had to show me the video thanks honey um all right like nothing really else on baseball right now um it's just the offseason waiting we're waiting two more months i think pitchers and catchers report usually in the middle of of april let's see in the middle of April. Let's see. No, the middle of April.

Did I say April? I meant to say February. Yeah. Why did I say April? What's wrong with me? That's when the season's already started by then. Yeah, it's like mid-February. I guess I was thinking 14th and April's the fourth month and I conflated the two of my heads.

No, no worries. I do like the idea of pitchers and catchers reporting after the season started. Well, they don't got to run or anything, so it's like the easiest position. What's the problem? It's like the other guy's got to go out into the field. They got to run. Catchers and pitchers, they don't got to do that. Only once in a while.

It's more important that your your designated hitter gets gets started first getting those swings in um oh kyle oh boy yeah oh i wonder what his batting average can how far it can drop and still be statistically an above average hitter like Like in terms of like OPS. Seems like God's got shots. Like batting 150, you know, batting 130, but with 50 home runs and like 120 walks. Right, right. He's going to start leaning in a lot more. Like a lot, a lot more.

He's got the cake to take the, you know, get smacked in the butt. Oh, yes. Danny. Yeah. We need that new gif that Sean Murphy getting plunked. We need that with Schwartz. I just, you know what I really think a big, on the offensive side is, if Castellanos, if he if he is the castellanos if he's declining declining or not

he showed flashes last year i mean he went to he was an all-star last year i know and if he can get his shit together if he's just a great like 30 doubles he's like a 30 30 guy when he's really good and we'll see yeah but there's like if when you know all that all that shit you know all those operators right um all right so apparently the Sixers are good even though the NBA season technically didn't start yet it hasn't yeah it hasn't started yet obviously um yeah the Sixers are are real good. They're doing really well. They just blew out the Hornets by 53 points, I believe. Oh, that's embarrassing.

Charlotte Hornets history. That's embarrassing. That's almost as bad as how bad the Chargers got beat. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Yeah. We forgot to mention that the coach got fired for that. Yeah. Daily, yeah.

Yeah. Oh, my God. Daily, yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God. Not the GM. Oh, yeah, the GM got fired, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But back to... So the 76ers are 18-7.

Retired with second place in the East. It's... Yeah, we're up there. Celtics, of course, are really good. Celtics are very good. The we beat the we beat the Hornets, right?

Yeah, by 53. Yeah, I beat the Pistons who are on like a 22 game losing streak. Yeah, that's just yeah. Last episode, I think we had a listener calling and it was like, why am I a Pistons fan? Should I just start drinking? Should I drink instead? Yeah, we beat we beat. I was like, why am I a Pistons fan? Should I just start drinking? Should I drink instead? We beat Pistons twice in a row. Back to back.

Was it away and home? Yeah, home and home. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Beat the Pistons pretty thoroughly. I was at the one Pistons game for Hanukkah night. Who I saw the play. The Wizards. Thank you.

That was a pretty strong victory, too. Yeah. The Sixers are good, right? They got rid of the cancer. They got rid of. Yeah, exactly. Maxie has blossomed. He's fully capable of taking on that big role.

Yep. And Bede is playing MVP caliber, above MVP caliber basketball, I would say. He's really, I think he's probably a little like, well, I'm the MVP and I kind of hit last, kind of nosedive last season. Let me make up for that. Yep. He's playing really well. They're having what feels like a lot of fun i could obviously be wrong we don't know what goes

on in the locker room but i would imagine they are now that they have them i mean at this point it's it beats like the moodiest guy yeah team um so that's that's pretty good no it's that's awesome i think they play the bulls um next and uh the bulls are the bulls are good to to knock off good teams uh they're kind of feisty but like they're not yeah good yeah not not too worried about uh there are rumors that demar de rosen is coming to philly but I don't think that that's true. And with the way the Sixers are playing right now, it's kind of like, do we really need him? Yeah, if there's no...

If you're playing this well, just let it cook and see what happens. Right, let it cook, exactly. And if you need help by the trade deadline, we'll know that when we know it, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. All right. Oh, where is shit?

Where are we? Yeah. I mean, I think in the notes I said, like, you know, we played a bunch of bad teams, but we've also played good teams. Right. And the Sixers did beat the Celtics. The Celtics are undefeated at home. The Celtics are really fucking good but like

you know no one knows anything essentially yeah yep and uh you know speaking of teams are surprisingly good the flyers are playing above yeah the flyers are playing really well uh let's see what was the last time i checked them out they were uh 17 uh 10 and 3 that's for disorganization that is basically winning the stanley cup i mean we're second in the the the division right now somehow yeah playing really fucking well um so uh cool um john tortella good i wouldn't go that far. Are they playing? I accidentally hit players on the tab and Jesus Christ,

they're pale. And there's some really bad pictures. Yes. Garnet Hathaway. He used to be on the Bruins. Do you see that picture of him? I've seen the picture of him. Why? Him mad? Yeah, I don't know why, man. Does he just do that?

Is that just... He just makes that face, yeah. Okay. God damn. Whitest kids ever. Yes. I mean, I know it's hockey. This Owen Tippett guy looks paler than me.

You're pretty pale. It's possible. I'm pretty pale, yeah. You can see all my veins Yeah He's very handsome though in real life I'll tell you that Oh yeah

Did you put Bruins a minute in here? Yeah What the fuck I thought you'd like that Where are they in the standings? Of course they're number one in the standings. Well, you're not number one in the East. No, you're number two in the East.

The Rangers. Just lost to the Rangers 2-1 in overtime. Jake DeBrusque needs to sort of get it together again, but that's okay. Fuck all teams called the Rangers. Fuck them. Yeah. Every Rangers team in every sport. Fuck you're not wrong yeah stating that out loud uh yeah so it looks looks like the

bruins are good uh okay we'll do that let's surprise a boston team is good oh speaking of boston to you like you know something we didn't check is that belichick's going to be leaving at the end of the year. Allegedly. Allegedly. Yeah, I think that that's probably true. Yeah. Is he the longest tenured coach at this point? I believe so, yes.

End of an era. Yeah. End of an era. We'll see what happens when someone new gets in, gets some not-white wide receivers. Does a decent job with his roster. I think that basically if they made Belichick the coach and relieved him of his GM duties, he would actually be all right. But no one ever fucking listens to me do that.

No. All right. Well, again, there's a segue back to the NFL because I did want to talk about something that happened. Yeah, go for it so Patrick Mahomes threw a temper tantrum it's the only word for it

so final play of a game called came back on a penalty which was a really cool play to watch but it did come back on offensive offsides on offsides the player was offsides there's no doubt that they were offsides right yeah he was like two yards offsides it was pretty egregious yeah and then the call the

play came back like it does andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes pissed off. Andy Reid got fined too. Like $150,000 total, I think. Yeah, which to both those guys is pocket money. But, you know. Still. Because they complained about the rest. Patrick Mahomes was very vociferous about it.

Yeah, and basically whined to Josh Allen allen the opposing quarterback worst fucking call i've ever seen can you believe that shit and it was like dude shut the fuck up first off okay like like break this down for a second the refs actually made a good call there i'm gonna be fair to the refs there but nfl refs make shitty calls all the time part of the game um i want to say to Patrick, how's it fucking feel, dude? Yeah, I know, right? How's it fucking feel? Because there was a couple bullshit calls in the Super Bowl.

Yep. And some of those were game-ending. And you got to raise the trophy anyway, dude. Yeah, and you got to feel the same emotion that Jalen Hurts felt watching that fucking come back. Bullshit hold call, yeah. On the holding call, right?

Actually, that holding call was legit. It was holding. I'm going to say it. It was holding. So now you know how it feels because you didn't get a chance to play it out anyway. And that's what every player wants to be able to do. You know what? Let me play it.

I want to play this out. Didn't see you fucking going over to jail and hurt saying that was bullshit right right so um now you know what it's like and that aside right yep then him and miles garrett got fined too he got fined 25 grand for um criticizing player uh officials as well. He wasn't specific in what he was saying. He was just saying that it was a travesty. Yeah, it was a travesty today. So I want to raise the topic here. Yeah.

You're getting fined for questioning the calls of the referees of the game. Now, is this something that leagues should enforce? Or should players be allowed to publicly criticize officials? Well, man, that's a great question. Because to me, you might as well leave that shit for the fans. They're going to hear the criticisms anyway. But I don't... I think teams should have an avenue in which to dispute calls. Or say, you know, like,

Hey, we don't think this should have been called. Here's video. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Or here's where we dispute this. That's sort of after the game. The NBA, I think, has gotten ahead of a lot of it, and there's still criticism of the NBA, but by issuing the final two-minute report.

Yeah. I don't think the NFL does that. I don't think the NFL sort of self-audits. I think it probably should. But I think that as a player, you have a much more emotional investment in the, in the outcome of the game. Plus like your,

your, your livelihood is riding on it a lot of the time, you know, all the time. So I think that players, I think that yes, you should be able to criticize the officials, but like,

if you're a player and you're like, Hey, I've seen that called blah, blah, blah, blah blah blah blah he missed a 12 man we all saw it you can go to you can go watch the film that to me is not criticizing the i guess it's a very nebulous definition of what criticizing the official right like publicly criticizing i guess would be like can you at the at the press or after the game say the calls were bad.

You know, that would be like the equivalent. Like, think about like baseball, right? I think that's a sport where you can see the most interaction between. I mean, NBA too, you see a lot of it. Right. Because the court's so small, yeah. Right. You get kicked out of the game if you talk. You watch.

You'll watch. Players will continuously talk to the umpire. Hey, so what was that? Okay, what made you think that? They're trying to get a sense of the strike zone. And it depends on the ump. Which is a perfectly legitimate thing to do. It's like, oh, you can be like, I didn't think that was a strike.

But there's a difference between, man, fuck you. That's not a strike. And hey, man, that was a strike but like there's a difference between man fuck you that's not a strike and hey man that felt a little weird and there's a there's a difference too like in the first cut like entering or two you know your first sum up at the plate and you're like that seems a little outside but okay like are you like like establishing all right is that where that's at versus if you can't if you start arguing it that's immediately you get thrown out of the game right but if you're just asking depends on the ups sometimes the elms will throw you out for that anyway like you know you ask twice you're fucking out but like that's you know you can you can at least like have your dignity still right the one that really like i saw one that really

pissed me off yesterday where or not yesterday it was whatever whenever i saw the sixers play the wizards the wiz the sixers are up like 32 points and pat bev gets a foul and he's like pleading his case to the official and it's like dude you're up 30 right i also think part of it is what like i don't want to hear it from pat mahomes right he's a benefit of some bullshit calls yeah exactly and like there is like in the same way that like i don't really want to hear it from brady or i i really don't want to hear it from a quarterback frankly but like miles garrett's not a quarterback miles garrett's defensive end or dt i can't remember what he is but i think he's yeah and in that it's sort of, unfortunately, my answer is a little wishy-washy,

which is that a lot of it depends on context, on A, who's making the complaint, B, the manner in which they're going about it, and C, their history with officials. Pat Mahomes being the recipient of a correct call one time and his argument not being, oh oh it was an incorrect call but they always tell us when we're off sides right is is insane and it's like pat just take the l right like it's that's that's nonsense to me but you know there have been very there have been

games where it's very obvious that officiating has gone the wrong way or has been too heavy-handed and i'm not talking about the eagles super bowl i'm actually talking about rams bengals where the bengals lost on a couple really ticky tack penalties that they hadn't been calling all game and i think that that's that's it is like it's impossible in the nfl to know if they're gonna let them play or if they're going to call everything. Right. And to me, I think as an official, you should know like,

okay, this is the Superbowl. I'm going to swallow this whistle unless it's incredibly egregious. Yeah. Going back to like my baseball frame of reference, I know like, like the big thing, the players want is the consistency in the zone.

Consistency. That's what I'm saying too. So if you're going to call holding, don't save that for the fourth quarter. Right. Call that every time you see it. Right. As long as it's consistent. But it wasn't.

And it was a holding penalty in the Super Bowl. We both agree on that. Yeah. But it was that it hadn't been consistent. Right. It was the first time because that had been happening all game. And that's like holding is like a bullshit penalty that you know, when we get mad. Holding is not real.

Yeah, because it literally happens every play. And obviously there's times where it's obvious and you know, the degree of obviousness it depends on how which ref sees it. And there's several different officials on the field at any given time in football. Yeah, it's a...

I just think in general, there's a lot of... Football is a game that has too many penalties. I think it fucks with the flow of the game. Like, there might be a better way of calling. I agree. No, I agree. Yeah. Like, you get the ref coming over and be like,

you guys were holding. Next time I see that, I'm calling it. You know, like, that's too much. Too much. Like, that's too much. Just this, I don't know, like like it just is so fucking annoying that like you're watching like this like crucial drive and you know there's like five penalties called right and you're just like it's a killer right i just want to watch them i just want to

watch them play i'm not here to watch the reps right and i understand that you know calling calling penalties actually part of it is player safety it is um it is but um and i don't is the is the nfl the nf is the nfl like hockey where only like the captains can talk to the to the officials i don't know what that i believe so yes yeah like where you can get that to like talk like i don't i don't know what the NFL is. I believe so, yes. Yeah, like, where you can get that, like, talk to... Like, I don't know what that is. Like, there needs to be some sort of communication. Like, maybe set that tone in that first quarter where, like, listen, you're going to call...

You do this one more time, we're calling it. Like, and then we're going to be on your ass the rest of the game. Right. If you don't stop. I don't know what the system is. And, you know, hell, if any of you know someone who's, like, refereed in the nfl or any like college football and they want to explain how the fuck it works how does that

settle i know how the umpiring it works like where there is like a rapport between the catcher and the umpire and then the players will be sitting next to each other the whole time yeah yeah figure out that sort of like all right here's a strike zone okay you know oh you could that was a strike every other time and now it's not a strike because that's what that's like you know it's the seventh inning it's like that was a strike the whole game now it's a strike you call the strike for you call it a ball for you know every other guy not me that's that's when that shit starts to you know you see like kyle schwarber take his fucking helmet off and throw it because uh what's his name? Hernandez is like one of the most inconsistent umpires. And that's the most frustrating.

Everybody hates him. Right. Yeah. I, you know, I just, I'm just kind of not trying to hear it from Patrick Mahomes. And I want to, and I want to like, like go back to sort of like the question was, you know, does a, does a, does a player publicly criticizing officials?

I mean, I think that is something where you could say, hey, I don't know what the methods of redress are. I'm sure the teams and the players have a way of communicating to the league officials, like, yo, that was not called right. We need to fix that. I can see a league going, listen, we don't want you to publicly criticize the officials. If not for the, not to make that it makes the league look bad.

I mean, it does. And that might be a big reason. But that we, the other reason I could say, I could see this is, and this might be more of like, I could see a team doing this maybe be more of like I could see a team doing this maybe more than the league is yo we need to keep a good relationship with these guys and we don't want we know that there are league officials out there who could be petty as fuck right and we don't want this ref to start calling shit against us actually you're just going to end

up getting like putting a target on your back especially if you're not a patrick mahomes type right you don't get the benefit of the doubt and you're just if you're some string or whatever yeah no you're like yeah you're like the second string fucking guard you know who gets like 10 snaps a game and you're and you're and you're bitching like i can imagine the, what is it, the line ump? Is it the umpire? No. Is that the sideline?

The line judge. The line judge. He's like, all right, holding every fucking time you're in the game, dude. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Because I can see. I can see that there is, like, we don't want to create enmity.

And I can see that as, like, a basic, like, human relation. Like, if you want to criticize the referees, we have a way for you to talk to them. Right. But I think a lot of players feel like there is no redress. Yeah. And I could guarantee that the NFL's interest in it is protecting the Shield. So we just don't want to publicly criticize the league. And the NFL's real big about that.

They literally call it protect the Shield. Right. Make and the NFL is real big about that they literally call it protect the shield right keep make sure the NFL looks good we don't want anything bad about the league and obviously it does look good and it perfect and it works perfectly yeah yeah there's no issues with with with with anything to do with players injuries concussions cte domestic violence yeah nothing like that nothing everything the shield has been protected i mean to be fair roger goodell is a genius at his job because you never hear anyone criticize the owners they all criticize goodell that's his entire job yep that's the um what's his name uh rob manfred is like shit i wish i did as good a job as him right yeah because there's a lot of shit thrown at baseball owners um

yeah oh you know i think at some point just think of that louder we should probably get into the betman in the nhl um especially with that we must kill the Batman. With the, what's the Minister of the Wilds, Goalie, who had like an indigenous helmet and he got fined. He wore it anyway. Is that good for you, dude, wearing that? Like, the NHL being

the most socially conservative of all the professional leagues, somehow. Still, it is more conservative than the NFL. It is. It's gross. Yeah, but we should do that and leave that for another day.

I'd like that. I can do that. I can play with that, yeah. Yeah. And I guess freedom of speech, I mean, obviously, I guess it doesn't apply to your private employer. Still.

Yeah. But refs are cops and ACAB applies to referees. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. ACAB applies to umpires, referees, any sort of official game. That includes the part-time umpire

getting paid $50 at your kid's Little League game. Yeah. You are allowed to berate the humiliant. You are the same. You are the same as a fucking cop. Does that make you proud?

Does that make you proud? You come here, judge these kids. It's like, man, I'm 17. I'm a librarian i i went out and i protested for black lives matter i'm also an umpire doesn't matter you're a kid you're just as bad a cab a cab oh my god protesting the umpires academy uh yeah yeah perhaps oh my god uh shit all right you want to get into uh dms i want to i want to apologize symmetric mike we uh forgot to do the dms last episode um because we had two of them and of them and didn't get to them.

They were piling up. They were piling up for a minute. Sorry, Metric Mike. He was our most consistent DMer. Thank you, man. You too can be have your words read.

Be consistently read if you write us. So the first one, this is from a minute ago ago can i read it yes you may hello tom and yay liam so our qb investment has all caps really paid off now that he's out for the rest of the season meanwhile can we talk about how pissed the barstool sports direct portnoy that he allegedly lost 120 000 did he on raiders on Ravens Bengals and wants to sue over it. Like I said on the WTYP Discord,

look, if he was dumb enough to bet $120,000 on the fucking Bengals, that's on you, bro. Fuck him. Get fucked, Barstool. Fuck the Browns leadership. Fuck Penn State. Yeah, Deshaun Watson, $250 million contract and he's hurt. And the pride of Temple University,

PJ Walker, and now Joee fucking flacco oh my god dude that's uh i got and i i made this joke with joe flacco sorry i was like dundalk must be in flames like oh my god i can't believe he's playing for the browns right now like like but uh yeah i guess p guess PJ Walker is not good enough. Um, yeah, it's not a university known for its, uh,

although to be fair, uh, Joe Flacco went to Delaware. So, which aren't, aren't they moving up to, uh, I believe they are to FBS.

Yeah. Yeah. Um, big East to big East to big East to, um, bring them in. Um, Big East 2. Big East 2. Bring him in. You see him down the shore sometimes, Joe Flacco. Yeah. Oh, he's betraying...

Dude, why are you in Ocean City, Maryland, man? I thought you were a fucking Baltimore legend. Fuck. What was I going to say? What were what were you gonna say you fucking weirdo uh well we got metric mic too we got a second metric mic message how about we read that one yeah let's do it you want me to read it or do you want to read it oh i'll read it uh sorry i was on joe flacco's wiki page metric micric Mike 2. Dear Tom and Ye Liam, can I get a bet on draft bucks for

Barstool Sports, Portnoy being the one who was funding Collar Stallions? Sign stealing off. And how can I make that bet that costs Portnoy another 120k? Fuck Michigan. Fuck Ohio State University. Fuck Penn State. Go hockey. Go hockey. Just go hockey.

Go sports. Michigan's gonna get blown out dude they deserve it uh go uh go um alabama we're playing alabama i'm rooting for uh university of washington oh i'm not i think i think that's a consensus but i'm not because they fucked over the pac-12 and uh i've really enjoyed the Oregon State, Washington State, Voyage of the Damn Brothers in Arms fiasco. With the little Pac-2 banner they have that they use on Zoom calls. It's just the two schools' logos repeating over and over and over again is one of the funniest things I've ever seen. And them being like, wherever we go, we go together is incredibly sweet to me and that was the bet one of the better college football games

i watched this year was the was it the oregon state washington state yeah that was really good but not to championship yeah yeah the i i just i'm not rooting for michigan state or michigan obviously i'm not rooting for michigan i'm not rooting for Bama. No. So, you're going to root for the Huskies. Just as the dark horse. I don't want to. I root for them. Oh, breaking news. Breaking news.

Yeah. Eagles defensive coordinator Sean Desai is moving to the booth. Matt Patricia will call defensive plays on Monday night. Oh, boy. Oh, here we go. Here we go. Let's see what happens. I am rooting for Texas.

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