Ten Thousand Losses - UNLOCKED: Bonus 15: Fascism in Strength Sports

Episode Date: July 21, 2025

UNLOCKED for non-patrons: Friend of the pod (and of the working class internationally) Patrick joins us again to talk about the pervasiveness of right-libertarianism, fascism, and other forms of of reactionary bullshit that can be found in strength sports. We cover guys like Mark Rippetoe, Jim Wendler, and Greg Glassman. Hope you all enjoy the episode. Find the rest of our bonus episodes and Discord at: https://www.patreon.com/tenthousandlosses  Follow us on Bluesky:  Podcast: https://bsky.app/profile/10klosses.bsky.social Liam: https://bsky.app/profile/wtyppod.com  Tom: https://bsky.app/profile/tompain.bsky.social Shoot a message or leave us a voicemail (leave your name and pronouns): 267-371-7218

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I know, I know. Okay. All right, let's get to this. So hello. Hello. Welcome to bonus. I was with 10,000 losses We're not doing interest on pain. I'm I'm Liam. That's Tom. We have a guest. It's Patrick for doing fashion Sports and shit. All right, let's go. Yeah, so Patrick and I and I know Liam, you have as well. Well, Patrick is the most consistent gym goer. Patrick is the strongest nerd you've ever met. He lifted me one time. Did I?

No. Did you? God damn it, guys. No. Yeah, he did. He cleaned and jerked you over his head. It was amazing. I felt so free.

It was amazing. I felt so crazy You felt like you felt you felt like the prettiest princess I did I did I really did we did we did the ending to dirty dancing on a rooftop And yeah, so we're talking about strength sports I'm a semi regular gym goer who sometimes is regular And the only thing I really like to do with gym is lift heavy shit. And I can't always do that now because my back is stupid. Did I tell you guys I tweaked my back hanging up the phone? You are a work of art.

That's old. I turned, I twisted my torso a weird way hanging up the phone. You are old, old, old, old. And it wasn't the herniated disc. It was, I felt it up or up, it was the bulging one. So fuck, like, just stupid fucking body bullshit. So, you talk about like libertarians and fascism,

which is the same thing, hoo hoo, in fitness. To quote, I'm quoting the notes here that Patrick wrote. Why they suck at or wrong, but some of them still produce good stuff sometimes? Sometimes. Sometimes? Occasionally. Yeah.

We'll get into it. And yeah, we were originally gonna do this without Liam, but we decided to bring him along so he doesn't feel like left out. It's because you didn't record the episode last week, man. Yeah, I know. It's because, like I said on the regular episode, I needed a nap. I was cranky.

So I'll say this. If I ever did stand up, this would be my first joke. He's like, politics, right? It's weird. I used to be a libertarian back in the day. Then I got laid. That's a joke. Where's the, didn't, shh. Oh yeah.

There we go. Shortest day of my career ever. Yeah. I would still do an open mic. I just have to write five minutes of jokes. Which, that's really long. Yeah. That's a lot of jokes.

Anyway, so, actually shit, no, we should riff, because we need to. So, libertarians and strength sports, if you go to a gym, You're gonna meet some assholes. You're gonna meet some assholes, You're gonna meet some assholes, especially if you're strength training. And I will say though, to credit,

the big guys usually are nice for the most part. Both Patrick and I, especially where we are, we're the Bucks County contingent. Oh, yeah. We run into a lot of, I'd say at floor, most of the gyms up here are at least half Blue Lives Matters guys. They might not be like super right-wing, but they're at least like, yeah, I support guess what is a libertarian?

What is a libertarian? What is a child molester? They're a-fee-ba-files, specifically. Oh, yes. Technically, they're a-fee-ba-files. The dragon is 10,000 years old. It's in the body of a child. Yes. Oh, okay.

No. Oh. So, uh... They... yeah, look, Age of Consent is dictated by the parent because they technically own the child until the child can reasonably at any age declare their independence from the parent. Oh, I see you've read the new president of Argentina's platform. Oh, yes. Oh, he thinks that you should be able to sell your children. Yeah. Like legit. Cool. Yeah. But let's, I want to give this a little bit of a fair shake. I said a little bit.

The dictionary definition of libertarianism. Webster's, you know, the real one online. A political philosophy that advocates only minimal state intervention in the free market and the private lives of citizens. And I gotta say that's interesting because Merriam-Webster, I mean obviously it's an American dictionary. But that was not the original definition. The original definition of libertarianism, and I sort of still, it's waning in Europe, especially not the Anglosphere. Like in France, it meant anarchist.

Yeah, it was originally an anarchist term. Milton Friedman, I think down here, I said, Milton Friedman is just think down here is I said Milton Friedman is just a dickhead that spoke well, said we are reclaiming or recapturing the term anarchist and the term libertarian. So they have anarcho-capitalism. Interesting, just as Oswald Spengler and Adolf Hitler were reclaiming the term socialist, I guess. Essentially, yeah.

Yes. The reality of libertarianism, it's a philopathy and doctrine. And I really want to underline doctrine that asserts that business and capital should own all decision making, end to end. And it is through people's buying power that things change. Now you might recognize this as essentially our economic policy for the last 40 years, 50 years, maybe longer.

At least since Reagan, at least since, actually at least since Carter. Yeah, about Carter. And a lot of that does have to do with like libertarian founders and the extent that they like influenced everything. But, you know, capital ownership, essentially, everything is done through capital ownership, and that's who's decide who makes the best decisions. So there's an aspect of those who are the most successful will get the most results. Those who are the best at it will always get the most results. Ignore everything else. And so when a capitalist is in the gym, do you call it capitalist gains? No. No. No. No. End it. End it. End it. No. Don't even. Don't golf clap yourself. I hate you. Well, I mean, the gains of capitalism have a tendency to fall as well. So maybe.

Hopefully right onto some rich dickhead spot yes or I could imagine I could imagine what's what's that guy bro science life Dom is Eddie yeah that's right I got capital gains right here like every gunshots now that's actually really cool what every interview I've seen of him in real life he's like an artist like a video guy like but I mean like what's a where all the come up or what to wear on the... I forget what it is, when you're going out, is my favorite video. One of my favorite videos that's ever been raised on the internet.

Yeah, yeah. He's truly a master of his craft. Being a dumb guido. I could say that I'm Italian. That red beard ain't for boss, baby. Yeah, go ahead, go ahead. Cancel me. I'm uncancelable. He said right before he was canceled. Right before he was canceled, yeah.

And I actually think the interesting thing about cancellation and something with libertarians and how stupid they are in modern day. If you're familiar, if you're familiar with the civil rights movement, but no, if you're familiar with the libertarian response to the civil rights movement, it's that and the Civil War was that government should not have interfered in the nature of the market and of capitalism According to their price theory would make Being racist a bad business decision and so people would just stop doing it Now the ironic stuff stop owning slaves. Yeah

The ironic part is is they're also the first ones to complain about have everything is woke today which is libertarian price theory if you think about it like there is no substance I mean it's like gay pride nights are good respecting and Accepting that we are all human is good Those are all good things. However, at the end of the day, it's not a replacement for systemic change. And so that's what they just they would disagree with you on that front but then say, well, woke is

still the problem because you're stifling free speech. So. Okay. If you take libertarian far enough, your brain just starts to collapse in on itself. So I mean, the only way you can have like, I'm allowed to say whatever I want type of free speech is if also fighting words are a legal defense. So that you can just punch every Nazi in the face. Which I should be allowed to do. Right, you should be. You should be allowed to do that. I, like, unironically, I've told my wife this, like, I'm like, there should be no legal consequences to beating up a Nazi. Nope.

She's like, well, what if it's someone who's from a different ideology? It's like, I don't give a shit. I don't care. You should be allowed to punch a Nazi. Not that I'm top of the board. If you have a swastika, yeah, yeah, no, just beat them up. Like, who gives a shit? They're not... They're fighting...

Their lives are worth less. Those are fighting words, yep. Yeah, that's fighting words. Having a swastika is a fighting word. They consider them people who are outside of their... and this is a good thing to kind of go off of is they consider people who are outside of their definition of success and good as other and bad. There is always an out group basically. It is an ideology that instinctively defines an out group and it can't you doesn't matter what oppression you've gone through in your life it's your it is up to you individually to overcome it right knowing the systemic systems against you but yeah so it's it's it's like literally it's like a neo feudalism it's a like the idea that like those who have

money they they're better right that There's some sort of like obligation on them to use that money to, I don't know, fucking employ, be job creators. And they have that money because they are better people. Just like in the fucking feudal fucking England, you know, it was like you're a, well, you're ordained by God to lord over these people. You have obligations, but you still, it's still like you're a better person than these peasants because

you were lucky to have certain blood. Unless you go far back enough to like earlier where you could just kill a guy and take his shit. But that's- Bring that back by the way. that violates the NAP yeah that's the other part is a non-aggression principle which is applies to thee not to me yeah very much which is how did all the fucking nobility get their fucking nobility the first place because they were they were fucking killing people in the year 800 the term aggression and oppression and stuff like that is very... They don't believe in it, essentially. And so...

Just leading on purpose, right? Yes. And so they're like, well, someone signed a contract to go work for that employer. And they should be held to that contract. If they don't like it, they can just find another employer. Oh, okay. It is not on them to tell the employer how they should run their business It is his business and specifically his business to them

Yeah, it's his it's his domain. Well, it's like he's man God King now, right? Yeah. Yes um Okay, like like and that was like a libertarian for a while in college, right? We were all shitheads once not me though. I've always been perfect. Yeah, you you were you came out of the womb anarchist Yeah, thanks, Bob. I Mean yeah, actually think about it He comes out of the womb and there's already a lit Molotov cocktail like pulling the table and I'm a tiny clenched fist Yeah, your first word was bread a lit mouth of cocktail like on the table. Have a tiny clenched fist. Yeah.

Your first word was bread. But the they all think and it's the same thing with the guy. And this is where like there's like a tie with fascism. These guys think they're all going to be the big swing of dicks. They think that they're going to be the ones on top. And they're they don't think that they're ever going to be the fucking peon. They really don't. No, it's always that temporarily embarrassed nation of millionaires thing. Yeah, they think that they're going to be like, if only we had libertarianism, things

would be better. I mean, there are psychos who think that this actually is like, oh, the market will balance it, whatever. Yeah. Despite all the warnings of any, if you actually read Adam Smith, you're like, oh shit, this dude's actually not that fuck, actually, shit, dude, he makes sense. Because he's describing free market

as the opposition to mercantilism. And he's being direct to the political market. It was an anti-mercantile writing, not a pro, not a libertarian writing, right. Yeah, and everyone calls him the father of liberalism. Okay, but yeah, liberalism in 1776 was actually good compared to what the other- Classical liberal, yes, of course. Yeah, yeah. I mean, shit, the fucking Montagnards were liberals.

And they were chopping off heads, and there was a close thing you get to socialists in fucking 1812 or whatever. Well, it's earlier now 1798 Would the Luddites be liberals? I don't think so. Uh proto-socialist though. They're proto-socialist for sure. Proto-utopians like more like in the what's-his-name's vein. Uh, the Scottish guy. Connolly?

Marx. No. Uh... Scottish utopian socialist. Incau- Why the fu- George socialist. Jesus Christ. Who? George? Georgeus? No?

Not Georgeus. Yeah. Georgeus? Have you ever triggered a Georgeus? Yes. They'll be like, land tax, land tax, and they'll be in your DMs. Well, here's 18 papers that I found that tell you about how this flat land tax and their fault they'll be in your DMS like well Here's like 18 papers that I found that tell you about how how this flat land tax is actually going to be the solve all the economic problems like

Stop stop your pesadist but liberal like and without the cool parts without the cool parts of the aliens in the sex cult the talking dolphins and nukes Yeah, utopian socialism Also, George's never did shit. Robert Owen, Robert Owen, Robert Owen, that's who it was. George's never did shit. At least the fucking Posadas helped with the revolutions in South America.

They weren't worried about the Posadas and how weird they are. At least they fucked shit up for a bit. Yeah, they fucked shit up and they fuck. Yeah, yes. So, you know, that's two points in their favor. So I think what one thing I was getting to was that, so I think as like progressives, lefties, socialists, whatever, we generally have, Tom you would call it

like a dialectical type review of the world, looking at history, looking at trends, never coming into a situation with an assumption or a hard theory that has not been proved essentially, or there's some material value to what you're saying. value to what you're saying. That is not true about libertarians. Libertarians come into every situation with a theory of how things should be. It never can be anywhere else. If I raise the minimum wage, they're going to cut jobs. If it doesn't happen, it doesn't matter.

This was a fluke. If we give everybody free healthcare, it's going to be like a dictatorship of health and everybody's going to die. If it doesn't happen, just wait. It's going to happen eventually. How this kind of plate comes into fitness is fitness and health in and of itself is communal. It is group-based. It is born out of communities wanting to get healthier. Now there are certain aspects of show fitness that are born out of the history of like the circus and then some of the showy side to it.

Oh yeah. But if you look at the oldest competitive strength sports, like I always like to use the Basques as an example, and their stone pushing, that's like a hundreds if not thousands year old tradition that they do. But it brought the community together. People train together. People do this together. But fitness in and of itself, as we define it, is the process of self-improvement.

The goal was to make oneself healthier and live a better, excuse me, live a better life. So, and I think the A priori that libertarians and fascists come in with of self-improvement and constant work, they love Albert Camus of you have to imagine Sisyphus Appii, which you know the fuck you don't, shut the fuck up. That's how they get into fitness. So it draws me. Reading the stranger is, they read the stranger and they go, I shot the arrow because, not because I was hot.

But because I was racist. Racist. Racist. Not because life is this absurd carnival. It's interesting you say, you're talking about a priori. Wow, we're getting really into nerd shit right now. Oh, yeah. It's until like it's like at the Ontological argument for God but like because like you could describe the structure of God like that like therefore it must exist

it's like because you could describe the free market therefore the free market exists and Like despite there never actually are truly being a free market ever because there's always regulations, right? There's all there's always forces that are not just the market. There's always some externality. It's funny you triggered in my brain my Reddit atheist days. I'm like, oh no. Oh yeah. Oh no.

I definitely am not those at that anymore. But yeah, I'm just thinking of how that sort of argumentation where it's like, well, that doesn't really follow. And it is, and that's the thing about going from libertarian to Marxism, like, libertarianism, well, like liberalism does have a philosophical background. Like John Locke, you know, whatever you think of the guy, I mean, he wrote the fucking charter for Virginia

that led to slavery, but Locke was important for establishing the idea that like labor, the labor theory value, right? Property comes from you putting your work into it. And Adam Smith was important too, like so all these like liberal philosophers like really important, but the, you try and read some of these libertarian, the Chicago school boys, like guys.

Even better, I think, I think don't read them. Go like, so Know Your Enemy is a great podcast. They just did one recently, a biographer did a biography of Milton Friedman. And then in the past, they had to basically just shit on the Chicago school in the history of it. Yeah. And Sam Adler Bell and them are much more intelligent than I am in explaining this.

So in they get the yeah, I'd lift weights and drop myself on my head regularly. The history of fitness methodology really is communal. And I'll skip down a bit, because I want to get to the stupid people, but also establish where they get their methods from. Before you do that, I do want to say something. Touching on this communal thing, right? We've only been living in big cities

separate from families for a short time. Even in Roman Empire and stuff like that, you still had these structures. But the community, and I like what you were describing, or the Basques or whatever, or in Scotland you have different stones. The Highland Games come from old strength stuff. It was like, you get the big boys and girls

from your town together, and you see who's strongest. But that was like It was a bonding experience. It was one community being against the other. Usually it was friendly Maybe it had like its roots in like historical like beeps, but you know, usually by the time we hit the modern era It's like, all right. Well, we're not actually beefing anymore. It's just the legacy Then so we have this this communal aspect of strength, being a community, because, right, you got a strong person, they were, back in the day, you took nine farmers

to support one non-farmer. And so, yeah, yeah, shit, being strong was fucking good and it made you a valued member of the community. Just as much as being able to read and write could help you out. There's benefit to being strong, yeah, of course. Yeah. Benefit to being strong, there's benefit to being able to read and write, there's benefit to being able to read and write in Old English, I assume.

If you threw me back then, I probably would pick it up, but it would take a little time. I'm still not 100%. My pronunciation's getting better though. But I wanna put a pin in this just so that, for the benefit of the listener, in that there's this communal aspect, right?

There's, and even going back to ancient Greece, while there was individual, obviously you're an individual, there was still a community part of it. Yeah. And it wasn't, you're being strong in isolation for just like, just to be strong, just like to pose or just to like hit a record on your own. There was like a collective ownership of like, that's our boy, that's our gal. You know who went out there and did whatever for us. Yeah. And they brought that knowledge back to the community of how they did it. And that's the important part. I mean, one person, I don't consider him stupid. I think he's moderate, really great, but has good messaging. Is Dave Tate from Elite FTS. He does have a motto of live, learn, pass on.

And there is something powerful in that. And naturally though, it breaks libertarianism. Because of the pass on side of things. Libertarian is hoard for as long as you can, you know. Be Sisyphus, like beat the death. But there's power in that community and making community better through strength and through health.

But I wanted to jump in a little bit from that to say like communalism and health and fitness and gyms has worked far better than independent training. Having coaches, having teammates there to help you, critique you, make you better and push you is always going to be friendly, is always going to be better than like just trying to go in your basement and do it all on your own. And even when you do, I mean, we're in an online era,

so you can just go online and you're back in the community again. But that isolation aspect to it that's now in it, where you can just go in your basement, you can just put your headphones on and walk into a gym, drives these libertarians into it. Right. We should touch on Fighting in the Age of

Loneliness at some point. Oh yeah, that's a great movie and it's a... Felix killed that documentary end to end. Let's get Felix on. Alice had him on. That would be a get. I want to continue because I'm gonna be honest, that I feel my stomach bubbling, so there's a 50% chance that I'm gonna run over to the bathroom and start yacking here pretty shortly. Um, um, for the listeners, uh, I'm not hungover, I'm very tired right now. Um, but we're gonna power through this. Uh, much like you power through your sets at the gym let's get 20 more minutes one of the first things I text you I think when I got your number was the funny thing about fitness is the

bunch of libertarians that come together to lift and reference and use old Soviet training methods within state universities. Yes, yeah. Bulgarian method. Yes, Bulgarian method. Borysheko, like, Pekos. Pavel, what's his name? Yeah, Pavel Tatsui, whatever. So a lot of this libertarianism though also came out of the fall of the Soviet Union because you had a lot of grifters. You had a lot of guys looking to make a buck. And they came to the US to shill their shit basically, the end of the day.

So you know it's kind of, they're kind of like when we last had you on we did the the bullshido shit Yeah Almost is that like the lifting version of that like oh So that I mean if you're gonna go to Russia and just like the grift of the post-soviet thing I mean there is bullshido. It's called Systema. It's what it's magic touch Samba It's really stupid.

It is taught at a gun range near me. Not the good one. The one that Tom and I know. Oh, yeah. The psycho one. The one that'll threaten your life if you give him a bad review. Cool!

Yeah, so Blow Me Guardian one. Cool. Cool. Yeah, so blow me guardian training. Yeah. Yeah, that's right, that's right, you heard me. You suck. Come and take it. Thanks for subscribing to the Patreon, but fuck you. Yeah.

But yet with that ideology that came out of those where guys were looking to make a buck in fitness, that became the norm. So you have the old examples like your Nordic track guys and your cable guys, your Jack Lanes and all those guys in your VHS tapes who are just trying to make a buck selling you a workout program in your home, basically. B90X. Bowflex. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't. I know not everyone likes them, but Nick Mullen had a, it was Benoit, ride the Bowflex t-shirt that, yeah, I find it funnylex t-shirt that, yeah. I find it funny in a very dark way, but. Yeah. Yeah. It looks like Ride the Lightning, the album cover. That's funny.

So as we kind of like, I think a good thing to highlight is stupid people, kind of within the industry and why they're stupid and we can laugh at them. Rip-A-Toe, who has another name that's part slur, Kind of within the industry and why they're stupid we can laugh at them ripito Who has another name that's that's part slur so I'm not gonna say it here wait wait You don't know his reddit name Are E T

What's our IPP? ETA Rd Why it's R-I-P-P-E-T-A-R-D. Ah. Why? Just, it, it, it, it, because even the best of Redditors have to be Edge Lords. Oh, Rip. Why'd you have to write like a really good book or two? And that's the thing. He wrote Starting Strength. And... And I know it's a meme, but it's a fuck. I that's how I got in the strength training. The good program.

Does work. Yeah, work. It's especially is it is it meant for a 16 year old boy? Who wants to play football? Yeah, that's who it's written for. Yeah. But, you know, in a practical program, he does modify it for other populations. Yeah. He has a good methodology. It's simple. It's simple. It's effective.

It looks back at some of these Soviet experiments and says, OK, clearly all these were done on the top tier athletes. How would I modify this type of thing for the general population? It is based off of Bulgarian and Borysheko and everybody else that did this out of the Soviet Union. If you haven't read Starting Strength,

there is technical discussion lifts, like you talk about moment arms and physics. There's physics in there, and cues on how to teach yourself how to lift. You can do it in there, many people have. And it's a basic routine, but it's one that, if you've never lifted a day in your life and you want to get strong, that aesthetic, you know, there's barely any upper body workouts outside of presses and

bench press, but like chin-ups. But it's also barely any, it's like five exercises you gotta learn. That's it. Yeah. And you will get strong. You will get, if you do it, I did it for three months I got strong I went from lifting squatting 95 pounds. It's quite like 315 in three months. God damn. So yeah No, I was also like 24 And hadn't herniated anything yet, so But no you it genuinely it you get strong fast. If you follow the program as written. And he's the source of memes like Go Mad,

gallon of milk a day. Gallon of milk a day. And that's why I was saying they're stupid people. Why the stupid side is despite writing all of this and whatnot, he decides to spend his time just advocating for the stupidest political positions that you can have and you know, really, you know, he was anti COVID. Um which is insane for me from a

gym perspective. Like you're in a communal space like you should protect your members. He was showing his ass before that and it's funny, he's an atheist. Yeah. He's, if you went on his forum back in the day, and you said if you mentioned you were a Christian, he would personally make fun of you. Yeah.

Fascinating. And yet, he was pro-Trump. And people would ask him. Like a lot of guys have been going that way, yeah. Yeah, people would ask him, like, what's this? He's like, well, I think he's got the best ideas on the economy, because he's a little bit retargeting. And he also, I think his undergrad was in geology.

So he's anti-climate change. Despite the fact, well, you take meteorology 101, oh, you're like, oh shit, no, climate change makes absolute sense. It makes complete sense. There's no way you could deny it. Like the oh yeah, because the earth is a system that's trying to reach homeostasis and you you raise the temperature one part and then there's a greater temperature

gradient and also that we increase the pressure gradient, which will increase storms. Shit, that makes sense. But he's a I guess he's good at rocks but bad at weather. And everything else. Other than everything else. Other than man lift lift heavy thing. Yeah exactly. Next person I'm gonna get to is Jim Wendler. Jim Wendler is an interesting character. He invented 531. He is a decent public high school football coach that has created a pretty decent athletic program out of actually keeping the kids in the school and running it year round and actually conditioning the kids and not making it about go, go, go you know hardcore bullshit but about developing a

fitness base to it and 531 is a great intermediate workout program like don't again I would never suggest the book to a woman it's highly misogynist it's yeah he's he's known for his slogan NOV, which means North of Vajj. That's very stupid. Yeah, it's very dumb. It's- it's- and Wendler, I do want to add, he's not really a libertarian. Calls himself an anarchist. That's me, baby. But he's- He's really a fascist. Yes. Yes. I mean, he hangs out with Wolves of Inland guys. He's friends with the guy who made them.

But I forget what his name is, but he wrote the early Manosphere shit. Stuff, stuff that I forget what his name was. Jack something stuff that like the art of mailing this guy who's now that he's popped, like he's made money he like scrubbed it uh he's just like oh shit this dude's a fucking psycho i don't want to have anything i should have interviewed him it was like the book's called the way of men i figure what the guy's name is but um he's he's uh that guy who wendler's like friends with that guy's like um i wish jack donovan yeah i i wish I wish it was the sacred band of Thebes,

but we also were fascist. So like I wanna be gay with my boys, but I wanna kill anyone who's not white. Like he's that kind of, honestly, that's a whole fucking deep dive on your own. Like to do what you could do. That dude's fucking weird. My favorite quote that I love to hear Jim would say is because he thinks it sounds smart.

And I'm like, this is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard in my life. Uh, he says, can't trust the government with anything. Look how they ruined the gas can. Can't even use it anymore. Which I love that because it just proves to me that he's too fucking stupid to learn how to use one of those new gas cans. You just put the hook on the lip and push. It's not that fucking hard. I fucking hate the government, man. Dude, you can't even use plastic bags anymore

to fill up your gasoline. Yeah, it's, oh man. Part of me was like, I know it's nothing to do with sports, but like to do like a whole breakdown of the manuscript, just because like I was like, I know it's nothing to do with sports, but to do a whole breakdown in the monastery, just because I was one foot into that community at one point. But anyone who was like, I was like, oh, I don't know about that. I just wanted Ron Swanson.

I want to eat all the bacon eggs you have. I don't want to kill people who don't look like me. I don't want to eat all the bacon eggs you have. I don't want to kill people who don't look like me. Like, yeah. Yeah, and Wendler, we might have talked about this before. I know we talked about it before, you and I personally, but the last time you were on was a podcast like Iron Radio. Yeah.

Wendler was, they used to have all these guys on there. I guess a podcast never did big numbers, but it's like consistent. If you listen to the old episodes, there's a lot of good training and nutrition shit in there That's the problem is they have good training and nutrition advice They do they do but they want to talk about other shit now Lonnie would kind of so they had a host on their Lonnie Laura, dr. Lowry if if you hear if you hear this

If you know dr. Lowry Let me get I'm I'm on the top If you know Dr. Lowry, let me get, I want to talk. Come on the pod. Come on the pod. I want to know why you left. We all have to make the beef public, but you left suddenly, I want to know why.

And ever since it's just Coach Phil, it's, I can't listen to it anymore. Yeah. But, you know, he seemed like a decent guy, and whenever they would, like, Phil would get in the politics, like he would start to like, kind of like, all right, let's get back on track.

I want to talk about lifting, I want to talk about heavy, iced earth, and a monomarth. Yeah. Like, yeah, shit to listen to while you're at the gym. Yeah, I don't know. But they would have, get back to one point, they would have Wendler on there.

And Wendler was well behaved. I didn't know anything about Wendler's politics from his appearances on that podcast. He was on that several times. I'm gonna say like five or six times. And it was just good training advice. I remember actually one of the best things Wendler ever said, and I can repeat it,

you can steal it without ever listening to shit, it was like, he called it the, if you wanna lose weight, it's the Sleep Dope Smoker album plan. If you don't know Sleep's Dope Smoker. Great fucking album. Great fucking album, one of the best classics of what would you call it, stoner metal, desert sludge metal, whatever.

He said, put that album on on and don't come back home until it's done playing. Just go for a walk. And that's like shit yeah because if you're trying to like get back in shape the best thing to do, and this is good advice, not to do anything crazy. You don't even have to change what you're eating. Just start walking. Just start walking. And you know, you would never know about his politics from that. Shit, we lost Patrick. He did say we'd have to go.

Oh, dude. Is he throwing up? Yeah. Hey guys. Hey guys, how's it going? So, let's see. Your wedding was nice. My wedding was nice, thank you.

It was nice. It was good. I never thought, are we revealing the location or not? Yeah, you got. For the bonus? Yeah. I never thought, if you told 12 year old me I'd be bumping grind in the meek mill with my wife, would Ben Franklin look sluggish? I would have never believed

you. Hell yeah. Yeah, Ben Franklin, I was like, yeah shit, Ben Franklin definitely is like a proven of this. I do appreciate the people who made it worth my while at the bar. Yeah, they were very sweet. That was a hell of a party, man. Oh, there he is. All right, are you all right? Oh, he can't hear us. I gotta close the door real quick. Give me one second.

I feel bad. This is the podcast minds. This is the shit you don't. I Feel bad This is this is the podcast mines, this is the shit you don't hear Are you all right man, I did you have to go Yeah, cookies are gone Yeah I'll take I'll take you to the anime noodle houses apology. It's fine It's my fault for drinking three beers and being 34 and apparently can't hold any alcohol anymore But see I had dinner before I yeah

No, it's fine All right. Yeah, we don't We got a so anyway, I was saying about how, like, Wendler was giving good advice and, like, weight loss. Yeah. And that's a key thing about Wendler. He has some very straightforward advice. He knows how to put together a general program.

Works well with kids, oddly. And... That doesn't shock me at all. No. He's... Generally, to his friends, he's a kind person but his politics are abhorrent and this kind of comes into my original point of like the coming into a situation with an apriori and not letting anything else that happens around you influence that. Sure. It ruins it. It just does. Because to a gym there's always gonna be an out group.

So it's and it changes and when there's not an out group you'll make one. So That kind of brings me to the last stupid person and I hate this stupid person Which is Greg Glassman former CEO of CrossFit. Yes. So Greg Glassman is a racist and allegedly sexual assaulter and also just a very stupid human being, who is very good at being the strong man or the ideal for it,

despite not being strong or ideal physically himself. So when he started CrossFit, the CrossFit program, there is nothing novel about CrossFit. Oklahoma drills out of the University of Oklahoma in circuit training had existed. The idea of switching up modalities had existed. Really, Louis Simmons, he's dead now. He's dead now. Turns out steroids kill you. Yes, he lived a long life, but steroids do kill you eventually.

Especially when you're in your 60s and can't hardly move and you're still trying to squat a thousand pounds on cough syrup and Trin. And that's not a joke, that's literally what the body the bodybuilders lean Yes, oh, I mean he looked bad Swollen head big swollen got not looking good Palombo gut that's it. That's it. If you don't know what I'm talking about with Palombo gut look up just google it That's it. That's it. If you don't know what I'm talking about with Paloma Gut, look up, just google it. It'll come up.

He was the guy that used to tape in his hernias with electric tape where he put his suit on his belt. Bucking awful. He's like, oh, it just pushes it back in when you put the belt on so you're fine. He, I should have added Louie to this because Lou Louie's, a lot of people love Louie, a lot of people love Westside. Conjugate, which is what he named, and he'll even say himself, or he would say himself. I didn't invent this, I just gave it a name, to his credit, that was.

And generally speaking, Louie was giving to his athletes. He took care of them, generally, if he worked for Elite FTS. Now when I talk about the politics and fascism, one of the main people that he brought in as athletes were strikebreakers and guys that were willing to take that contract work. So I should say like early proto-working class libertarian guys, because they flocked to Louis because they were tough guys and Louis was a tough guy. And that's kind of where it comes from. It's not that fitness and health is inherently fascist. It's that fascist flock to it because it's an aesthetic. I think Tom you said it. It's an aesthetic ideology Yeah, I've said this several times

Fascism is it's cargo cargo cult which I you know, I know that's a prominent term but like It's a it's an aesthetic article in the sense that if things look like how I think they used to look things will be better That's good. It's a return shit on Twitter. That's 100% what it is. It never existed, right? Because the things were not better. It's also in the men, mostly men, like just being honest, that these men idolize all men and men.

I should say, I believe in women's rights and women's wrongs. And I will get to that in a little bit. But there are females that also do this too. And usually with other men as the model is they always pick the row. Like Musashi in all of the weird nationalist Japanese stuff. And so, which also like some of that stuff's not bad if you can avoid later nationalist imperialist writings and stuff like that. You're talking about, what's his name? The guy who killed the guy? Yeah guy yeah yeah he will end up more kimu

more shashi was more shashi is that what is it wukimo let me make sure i get the yuki yuki ome shima right yuki ome shima um yeah um here's the thing about yuki ome shima is uh is and all of these guys that wrote you know that wrote this type of text especially in Japan like the early Japanese samurai texts these men weren't samurai as we envisioned them and I always like, why do I hate Thoreau even though he wrote some cool stuff? He was a dandy boy that lived in his mom's pool house and never did shit.

Oh, hold on. Are you talking about Morishimu? I might be confusing. You're talking about the book of the fire ring. Yes. About Miyamoto Mushashi. Yes. Not to be confused with Yukio who was- Miyamoto Musashi, not to be confused with Yukio, who was- Miyamoto Musashi. A fascist. Yeah, yes. Yeah, yeah.

Whereas Miyamoto was like born in 1580 or something. He was a man of the time. And that's important to note. But one thing about it is you have to note about all of it and like all of the, like even art of war, these men were like priests who lived in comfort, who had time to write. Like the, I think the one, uh, I think I quoted this in the last, like the last podcast I

was on, the bonus episode, was, it's better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war. And I'm just like, well, I mean, if you run the numbers, gardeners seem to fuck shit up a lot more than the warriors. I'll tell you this, I'll if you run the numbers gardeners seem to fuck shit up a lot more than the Warriors. I'll tell you this I'll tell you this you know who those yeoman bow long bowmen were at Agincourt they weren't fucking trained like they weren't men in arms they were fucking bowmen who got drafted yeah they fucked shit up they just had to train for it at the yeah every Sunday yeah

it's it's uh it is the know, they were the weekend warriors, original weekend warriors. But they were gardeners. They didn't consider themselves warriors. They considered themselves farmers. But getting back to Glassman and his idolatry among the CrossFit community, He set explicitly CrossFit up as a libertarian organization. There are general guidelines for the rules. There are baseline workouts. You pay me money, I teach you them. You go open up your gym, you use the CrossFit name, and those who are the best will rise to the top.

The problem with it, if it's not apparent, is that there wasn't any really day-to-day standards being upheld for people. Like it kind of developed towards the end as gyms start to move away from CrossFit and towards like, again, Olympic lifting, things that were based off of Soviet texts and things like that, and how to get better at them, and powerlifting and some bodybuilders and some triathletes, things that had established baselines but you had a progression to it. But the thing about Greg was, he wasn't, if you dropped out of the CrossFit thing, he's like, well, you just failed.

Not me that failed, you that failed. Now he quickly abandoned that business practice and sold out to Reebok. And largely, and the CrossFitters would yell at me, but largely took the money and run when the heat came down on them. And so that's essentially like, that's the ultimate, the end goal of a libertarian. When can I take the money and run?

Let them figure it out at the end of it. But in the meantime, he had gotten into fights with and and Tom you asked about Dan John and the day and John is on the board for the for the NSCA or was at the time and the NSCA in the ISSA in the American And the NSCA in the ISSA in the American Sports ECSM, American College of Sports Medicine, fitness organizations are our acronyms, came together and said personal training, and this

is the industry, this is the trade groups, and I don't mean trade groups like unionized trade groups, I mean trade groups like the bankers type of trade group. They came together and said, look, personal trainers need to be licensed and treated like physical therapists. And they use in their dissertation towards this, look at CrossFit. It has an open registration process. Anyone can start being coached tomorrow. All they got to do is pay $1,000.

And here are the injury rates of CrossFit versus the broadside of traditional sports. And of course, CrossFit cherry picked their way out of a lawsuit into a lawsuit about it, saying it was disparagement. And so so they dropped it but it killed this effort to make personal trainers an actually licensed job with standards and codification and education towards it and that's a loss they need that sort of rigor towards it because they are you're trusting your life and your help in their hands.

So um now granted he said some very racist things about George Floyd uh he also allegedly um sexually harassed a handful of his female co-workers amongst a bunch of other things that he's done over his tenure and there's word that he is coming back to CrossFit. Oh jeez. Just what it needs. Yeah that's exactly. More races, more sexism, less skipping pull-ups. Yeah I mean that's ultimately it. It's just it is already a toxic environment. And Sam, you already know, like, one of the local CrossFit gyms that existed a couple years back is no longer there. Because they took a bus down to January 6th.

Wow. CrossFit, Cena, Parry, or whatever? Yeah, Sign Parry. Whatever it's called. The fuck, is that Latin or some shit? I don't know, it's an Indian restaurant. Oh, it's without equal. Yeah. Yeah, well, how's that working in jail right now for being a January 6th interdictionist? Apparently she's out. She doesn't have a cross-head gym anymore. So

the last real thing I wanted to touch on, I think, is an important bit and I did want to capture on this. I think you can't talk about the fitness industry and competition right now without mentioning and talking about the abhorrent amount of transphobia that exists in the industry. And so I'm just going to try to explain this in a fashion of here is the hypothesis and the why it's absolutely bullshit and makes no sense whatsoever. The hypothesis that is put forth by junk scientists within the fitness industry and these influencers, and it's truly coming from a fascist ideology of in-group and out-group mentality,

is that if you were born a biological male, you are inherently, because of puberty and how you're raised, no matter what you do to your body, faster and stronger and bigger than a female. And they'll show the numbers. And so, A, trans female athlete should not be allowed to compete because A, it's unfair and b it's unsafe that's the argument the big problem one the sports that allowed trans trans female athletes to compete so one the biggest thing is there was only one large world championship ever won by a trans athlete. And that was a biker, and that was a trans man that won it. So, how's your theory working for you right now?

How's your VO2 max theory working for you right now? That's one end of it. The second part is, as you, and this goes for cis men and women, cis men and women, trans men and women, as you change your hormones in your body, you know, through aging or through supplementation or, you know, HRT, TRT, whatever, your body changes functionally.

If you increase their testosterone, if you increase your testosterone in your body, you will pick up muscle mass. And through the activity of your sport, you're also probably going to pick up some bone density. And so, you know, so you will be as competitive in theory where you were in the female sport as a male. It's just the step up of the change in biology. theory where you were in the in the If you look across the examples that they provide Leah Thomas the swimmer who tied for fifth with

Rhea I think it's a real Ripley. So last name was that the wrestler I Always forget anyways. She decided that she decided to Grift on the right wing and work for Ben Shapiro. So I don't have to fucking remember what her name is. There you go. Yeah. She tied with her in the NCAA championship. And what she's hell been about and what she's bitching about is at the ceremony, they gave Leah the trophy

as the first trans woman to podium. She placed fifth. Wasn't first trans woman to podium. She plays fifth. It wasn't first, wasn't third, wasn't second, it was fifth. The most insidious part of all of this is before she started HRT, when she was still pre-transition, had her existing hormonal structure, she had a similar, if not the same placing in the men's division. It was only when she started to go on HRT and still swim in the men's division that her results started to fall off and fall off and fall off. So they're quoting results of a trans female swimming in the men's division.

It breaks their argument. It's just, and that's, but they don't want to include trans women as women. There's many different other examples out there. I think the one that's pernicious that I see within MMA is the treatment of Fallon Fox. Fallon Fox was a early UFC female division trans woman fighter and she fully transitioned. She went through a couple year period transitioning.

She was an above caliber fighter, like above par caliber fighter pre-transition. The issue was at the time specifically was the women's division the UFC was highly underdeveloped. You weren't bringing in top talent. So Fallon Fox comes in, gets signed, and she wins a few matches. She wins a few matches, not too decisively. I mean, there is a knockout one that people like to quote about, but the injury sustained in the fight was the octopal fracture, which is the most common jawbreak or breakage in the UFC. Like it comes from it comes from

getting you know punch there and whatnot. But then she got beat and then kicked out of the UFC for being trans. But if she was so good and she was so excellent then I guess whoever she was fighting would have been like Superwoman, right? But that woman that beat her over time was just an above par fighter. The point is, their ideology cannot accept the fact that the truth as we see it right now is that you transition you go through the full process you will compete at the same equivalent level on both ends and it is only their refusal to develop women's sports and make it equitable and make

it something that women want to do that will that will that's hurting women that's it not trans athletes It's you guys always looking to make money off of the women doing this It's a grift exactly. Yeah And all this is a grift I Think Tom you have one more question is libertarianism the straight sports a reaction to the breakdown of the community question is libertarianism the strength sports a reaction to the breakdown of the community yes I don't think so I think like my own hypothesis that

they're a priority and that their ideology drives them into fitness and by their presence and you know always the template temporarily embarrassed millionaire ideology and everything else that breaks down the community because they don't want to create community they want to in-group and out at the end of the day I do think that the breakdown isolation of capitalism has created more libertarians but that makes sense yeah so that's it's really this the summary, I think, is the issue with libertarians is they come into the argument, they come into life with a heavy, not just an assumption, but a truth in their mind. And they can't be shaken by it until it personally affects them. And so when it personally

affects them, they can go one or two ways they can you know become liberals socialists communists, whatever social Democrats all over the spectrum of Progressivism whatever or they can become fascists because that's what happens in capitalism and decline No, I think it's a that's a good place to put a pin in it. So any last thoughts, Liam? No, I'm good. Yeah. I was really well done on that trick.

Yeah. Go if you... any of these guys I mentioned, if you want their materials, just pirate it. Obviously 531 you'll have to recommend, women read it because there's that misogynist shit in there, but you can find outlines of the programs online. And honestly, if you're looking for intermediate programs, probably better to go to Stronger By Science anyway. Yeah, as always, shout out Greg Knuckles, come on the podcast.

Greg Knuckles, who is a socialist. Yeah, there are socialists in lifting believe it or not we do exist. So don't do that, don't be a libertarian, it's stupid. Yeah don't waste your time. If you are a single man and can't find a mate, this will not answer your questions. No. Yeah, sorry, you will not have a government assigned spouse. You will not have a government assigned waifu. Yeah. If it keeps you out of public, I'll buy you a body pillow

and you can just stay in your room all the time. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Okay, with that said, I think thanks, thanks, Patrick, for coming on again. You were terrific. Talked about strength shit. And thank you, listener, for being a patron. Or if you stole this one for some reason, I guess for not sharing it with too many people,

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