Tetragrammaton with Rick Rubin - Dr. Jack Kruse and Andrew Huberman, Ph.D. (Part 2)

Episode Date: May 3, 2023

Jack Kruse https://jackkruse.com Dr. Jack Kruse is a neurosurgeon who had an awakening in 2007 when he suffered a torn meniscus in his knee at 6’2”, 357 lbs. This led to his further study of physics, light, magnetism, and electricity. He ultimately concluded that modern medicine lacked a deep understanding of how humans function in relation to the natural world. Kruse has written extensively on the Paleo diet and the brain-gut connection. In addition to being a neurosurgeon and author, Kruse is CEO of Kruse Longevity Center, a health and wellness company dedicated to helping patients avoid the healthcare burdens we typically encounter as we age. He published his first book titled Epi-Paleo Rx: The Prescription for Disease Reversal and Optimal Health in 2013. His blog continues to reveal new insights on health exclusive to Kruse’s ongoing research. Andrew Huberman https://hubermanlab.com Dr. Andrew Huberman is a neuroscientist and the host of The Huberman Lab podcast which discusses science and science-based tools for everyday life. It is one of the most popular podcasts on earth. Huberman is a tenured professor in the Department of Neurobiology and Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at Stanford University School of Medicine. Huberman’s research on the visual system, neural regeneration, and brain states has been published in top peer-reviewed journals and publications like Nature, Scientific American, and Time. ------- Thank you to the sponsors that fuel our podcast and our team: House of Macadamias Visit https://www.houseofmacadamias.com/pages/rick-rubin for an additional 20% off at checkout  HVMN Ketone-IQ Visit https://hvmn.me/TETRA for special offers and use code TETRA for 20% off at checkout  Disclaimer: This podcast is presented for exploratory purposes only. Published content is not intended to be used for preventing, diagnosing, or treating a specific illness.

Tecdra Grammerton. I had one chair at a-ha moment I had last night after you spoke I watched. I thought your text to me last time. I watched a little documentary about how semiconductors work. I don't know how semiconductors work. I was thinking when you were saying it, my first thought was, well, semiconductor is a man-made machine. And you're saying that we operate more like a man-made machine. And what I learned in looking at the semiconductor, the semiconductor uses a crystal.

And it deals, it moves energy through the crystal and something happens. Correct. It only allows it to go in one direction. It's what the invisible or the invisible coach would call, Ajax. So, but what's so interesting about it is a semiconductor is imitating nature and it's using natural materials to do it. I would, again, I think of it as a,

I don't think of it, I never thought of it that way. I just think of it as, oh, that's that thing in the computer. So I would, I would want you, actually the evolution in your thinking here, because I like where you're going. I want you to realize that this is where the confluence where I guess science, religion, biology afford you. What I'm trying to say to you is that Silicon Valley stole the idea from nature. Nature

is based on wide-band semi-conducting. And we're going to start like today talking about water. But without understanding light, water and magnetism, I call it the three-legged stool because it comes from NASA. It's what SETI looks for. SETI is the part of the government that looks for Esther to trust your life. I'm not sure if you're friends with Mosque Rick, but I will tell you, one of the things that you need to share with him, maybe from this podcast, they'll cut us, snip it and give it to him. Explain to him the difference between earth and Mars.

I understand why he's going to Mars because it's close, but Mars is a dead red planet. It's equivalent to saying, hey, I'm going to go out and build an estuary out in the middle of Sedona. It's the stupidest thing in the world because it's a geopathic stress zone. And the reason it is, there's no magnetic field, you know, and this pockets of that. What even on earth we have geopathic stress zones, you know, that's what Australia is. Effectively, you know, you mentioned the donut, oh, yes, we didn't get into it. We made today because we're talking about water, but even in our country, like you guys are really close to the bottom, you're close to New Mexico, Arizona.

It's called Arizona because it's arid, Zona. Without water, you have a desert. You know, and life doesn't populate those areas. It does, but the life is different. Like for example, the plants out there use camphotosynthesis. Doesn't use C3 everywhere else in the world use a C3? Little bit of C4. 90% of plant life is C3 photosynthesis. When you know those little tidbits,

you start asking yourself, well, what's the difference? I mean, you find out the big differences, how water's used. In the blog that I wrote for both of you, which is quantum engineering 29 blog, The whole first part of that blog was about the first two semiconductors. And we talked a little bit about it yesterday, but it's about chlorophyll and hemoglobin. Hemoglobin was really big for your hack. But today, I'm assuming you guys want to start the basics of water, kind of what happened to me, how I figured out the rest of the part of the story, you know, of the left and Milano-Cortan pathway.

So it began with the Nobel Prize in 1901, William Rankin, who got it for X-rays. You may not know this, but when he shot his X-rays over a period of time, he noticed that water acted very bizarrely. He made a comment in the public literature at the time that something unusual was going on with water, and he used the first time in science something called two-phase water. Water has two phases, which was very interesting. Then in 1913, a guy who was a scientist, conventional, but also a theologian, I think his name was Henderson,

wrote a book about the fitness of the environment and it was totally tied to water. So this was the second time. So you see, 13 years people are beginning to think about it. Then the magics, you know, started to happen in and around water. I mentioned briefly yesterday, we didn't get into it. The father of modern biochemistry is Albert St. George. I told you that when I was a resident studying bone physiology, I read the transcript of his 1941 talk as a Nobel

laureate that he gave to medical students and Becker happened to be one of the medical students in the audience. And he said, the most bizarre thing is that it appears to me that proteins have an electronic structure like a semiconductor and water seems to play some type of role in it. So you know, this is a passing comment from a guy who you know is smart, but it made a huge impact on Becker. And I guess when we were at lunch yesterday, we were talking about like the transmission and knowledge and, you know, the issue with the, the library of Alexandria, that little

speech, I think, probably had more impact than some papers that are in major journals that you and I probably read. And when I read Becker's work, it really got me into it because he proved, he ought to shout it without. It's kind of like what Rick said a little while ago about. When somebody says something really outrageous,

it requires pretty extraordinary proof. Well, the papers that back a road in the 60s that showed that collagen and appetite were semiconductors and in P type, that's, I did jump down the rabbit hole just like you did last night when you said, okay, I need to learn about it. I knew a little bit about it already,

but I certainly needed to learn more because what I knew about was narrow-based semiconductors. That's the stuff that you guys are more familiar with that are based in Stanford. And I'm sure you can talk to a ton of people about that. The interesting part of the story came with a guy for me where I began to look. for me were I began to look. I noticed immediately that chlorophyll and hemoglobin look exactly the same. We talked about the chestray, iron and magnesium being the difference. But remember the nitrogen cage that's around it, I told you about the queer thing about the periodic table that all wide-based semiconductors use group 2, 3 and 4 elements to like the nth degree, like they eliminated some others.

But I thought it was very bizarre that nitrogen was the key. And I knew that nitrogen was an original part of the ureth atmosphere. It came to be after cyanobacteria after the photosynthetic issue. So I realized photosynthesis was the key. Now, things that I didn't know. At this time, I went back and I said, I need to understand how photosynthesis really works before I can understand

how the human cell works. So I found out the first step in photosynthesis was the splitting of water into positive and negative charges. And the first thing I found, believe it or not, was the electron volts that it takes to split water. If you look at it, it's 12.06 volts. So remember yesterday, Andrew, when I was getting on your case about stuff about being curious and things like that. I have a formula that I figured out how to figure out what Um the frequency of light Goes to very quickly like when I'm doing stuff like we're doing now

You divide 1240 by the electron volts and it tells you the frequency of light So if you do 1240 by 12.06 you find out that that nanometer light is 98 nanometers. That puts you in the soft x-ray range. That's below VUV, which we talked about yesterday. And I thought to myself, wait a minute, I'm a doctor. We don't use soft QV to do photosynthesis. We're using visible light spectrum. So I took the paradox and I said,

what the hell is this cell really doing? What's going on here? Then I thought about it and I said, the band semiconductor that silicon is, goes from 1.7 to 3.1. So then I started doing addition of subtraction. I said, if you subtract out 1.7 to 3.1. So then I started doing addition of subtraction. I said, if you subtract out 1.7 to 3.1, that is the visible light spectrum that the eye sees.

That's like 390 to about 760. So I said, that tells me that the key to this mystery is going to be 390 below. So I started looking at things that had a band gap that would make the difference to get me back to 12.06. And that's where I stumbled upon my deep knowledge from being a kid, I used to love periodic table. And I know the periodic table inside and out.

And I looked at it and I'm like, every single thing that's in the cell is sodium, magnesium, potassium, calcium. And I said, what do I know? Basic things. Let's go from the knowns to the unknowns to solve for X. It's like algebra. So I said, calcium is used predominantly in the mitochondria, magnesium, mostly in the mitochondria, but some in the cytoplasm. Sodium, action potentials, but sodium, remember I'm a neurosurgeon, sodium fills CSF. It's like overwhelming. So you remember the story I talked about endolimp? Potassium is big there for your organ, for the ear. I said, but sodium is big for the brain.

And then, of course, I'm thinking, okay, as a brain surgeon, the queerest things about the brain when it relates to water, what are they? Number one, the brain is surrounded by water. It's got holes in it filled by water. 95% of the CSF comes in the fourth ventricle, where the vagus nerve is, which remember remember, you talked about your vomiting issue. Some of this may start making sense to you now. So, I'm going through this whole thing and I said to myself,

I need to know what the band gap are of all those atoms. So I started looking them up because I didn't know what they were. I just started finding papers out. And I didn't find a lot in the semiconductor community. I found it more in like basic physics papers, you know, where I pulled it up. So I started doing simple addition, 12.06 from photosynthesis, minus, and I started finding that I needed to look at atoms that only had band gaps above seven.

Now remember yesterday, when we talked about carbon in us, carbon is a diamond. I told you diamond is 7.67. So a diamond would work. But you know, when I cut people open, I don't see any diamonds. But we do see carbon. So I got the idea right away that carbon had to be

in a triple helix form, a wide-based semiconductor. Not only was Becker correct, but he never went to the step I just went. And I did this all by deductive, reductive, centralized medicine thinking, just exactly what Andrew would do if he was trying to solve a problem. And that's how I started.

I started with photosynthesis and something I knew. And I kept looking and then I started to think how ions were broken up. And then my key come to Jesus moment was when I realized potassium was the key. Potassium is an atom that's always inside the cell. And not only that, I've learned even from centralized medicine and my background, that it was really important inside the cell in terms of the way it's structured water. And as I told you, since I'm a neurosurgeon,

I know the history of how the MRI machine was made. That brought me to the work of Gilbert Lane. And I told you about that. Gilbert Lane really has fame in the alternative health community for different reasons than what we're talking about now. He basically fought with Peter Mitchell for 60 years to try to show centralised science who gave him a Nobel Prize in 1978 that he was absolutely wrong. Why? Because Kima Osmosis breaks the second law of thermodynamics by 500 fold.

And he did that by figuring out ATP stoch geometry, okay? Ling though, if you read his book, and I will tell you, I almost don't want you, Andrew, to ever read his book because it will confuse the shit out of you. It is the hardest book I have ever read in my life. And I put even quantum mechanics books there. This book was called Life the Below the Cell Level. But it's very difficult to read, especially if you're a biologist. But the TLDR of the book is he was saying that there's some type of electronic structure inside the cell with water

that has to do with the unfolding of proteins and side change that allow different hydration levels. That was the key point I got, but the key to his theory, it was called the AI induction theory, was potassium, was the big issue. And is it potassium and big deal in semiconductors, any also semiconductor? Well, it is, but in wide-based semiconductor, it's big, why? Because it's got a huge band gap. And see, band gaps in early semiconductors, like when you and I were young,

it was all about silicons, the low end, right now, because everybody's going for AI and they're looking for quantum computing, quantum computing can only happen with wide-based semiconductor. That's why some of the people that you know in Silicon Valley will be interested in this story about water. Is band gap the same as band pass? No, no. So it's as band pass lets certain frequencies through. Correct. Band gap as like a notch? Yeah, it's actually in opening where

electrons can jump through. And it actually has to do with the physical characteristics of what the semiconductors capable of doing. So for example, we talked at Nazim yesterday about melanin and how important it is, because that's the single most important semiconductor in mammals post-KT. Hemoglobin and chlorophyll were the single most important ones pre-keyed KT. So the story with the water kept on on for me. So I realized when I figured out that water had to be involved at some level for wide band semi-conducting, didn't know how they all fit yet. I jumped down the water rabbit hole further. So the next thing I did is I wound up reading papers on water from a guy

named Emilio Del Giuse, who believe it or not was a physicist that was involved in cold fusion in the 90s, but got frustrated with that and wound up coming back to starting water and weird water chemistry. Then I got into reading a guy named Proparta, and this guy named Wilsey Robinson. And Wilsey Robinson became important for you, because I tweeted at you this morning about this, because I don't know if you know it. He was at Texas Tech in around 2010,

and he took the original idea of Renkin and brought it back to mainstream science. Like explain. Explain. Well, basically Renkin was the first one that said there was two-phase water. Nobody kind of believed it for a long time. And then the guy told you about it in the UK.

Chaplain said that there's low density water and high density water. One mimic ice, the other one is liquid water. Why is that important? Again, not to bore you, but these details really matter in this story. Remember, you all have the experience that ice floats, hydrides, and in that period, not should never follow the rules of water. In other words, water has anomalous properties that no one can explain. So the reason these physicists were involved in this,

is they were trying to figure out the nuclear effects in water that would cause it. So one of the big stories that I found out right then and there about photosynthesis is that there's a huge big deal about the isotopic fractionation of water used in photosynthesis. In other words, all water can be used in photosynthesis, but it shows that chloroplasts somehow like deuterium depleted water. In other words, photosynthetic yields, when I read this, it stunned me.

Photosynthetic yields in plants that have water that the use for photosynthesis has a 40% higher crop yield than water that has deuterium in it. And I'm going, that's bizarre as shit. You know, I wouldn't think that a nice attempt of hydrogen, then it stopped me down in my tracks. Just like everything I say to you I'm like does nature make mistakes?

The answer is no she doesn't. I took that paradox and I said I'll explain it. The first thing I thought of was our friend from 1922 Nobel Prize, Albert Einstein, who said equals MC squared. So I looked at the duty area and I said it's a proton and neutron. That's double the atomic mass on and I said, it's a proton and neutron. That's double the atomic mass. On a relative basis, when you add a proton, you're doubling the mass of something I said, shit, it makes a lot of sense. If you're doing an energy equation, which was what photosynthesis is,

that would raise the roof of the game. You'd have to have a lot more energy to break deuterium water. So what brought me to DelJoux saying, in purport, it was this very issue. And they talked about the nuclear effects of deuterium. And one of the things I read in one of their papers, I can't even tell you which paper it was, Andrew.

But I'm sure you'll be able to source it or put a medical soon on it. That one deuterium atom controls 96 hydrogen atoms. And this is the reason why this is a problem because if you know anything about a chloroplast or a mitochondria, it needs to have hydrogen-freely flowing. Remember Rick, what we said, the first step because I don't wanna lose you in the science

because this is a really cool story. We charge separate water. Effectively, what am I saying to you? Like when you and I grew up in New York and it was really cold out in the card in start, we called AAA. You need the positive negative charge to make a battery. So what is photosynthesis start with?

Basically, sunlight splits water to create a battery. So it's a capacitor. So I'm trying to take you down to synonym levels so you get it. So what does this mean to a physicist? It means water effectively is an electromagnetic capacitor. That's what it is at a physics level. That was a new understanding for me, for water at the time. And deuterium depleted water is a better one.

No, it's worse. Oh. We don't want, we don't want to use duty room when we're trying to generate energy. Why? Cost the mass and cumbersome. Remember what photons are. They are a particle in nature, but has no mass. They're not encumbered by it. So they carry more energy. Remember the the discussion we had yesterday off line about orbital angular momentum. Light has infinited infinity, according to physics. about orbital angular momentum. Light has infinited infinity, according to physics,

usually has to be in laser form to do it, but electrons and protons actually have a fixed number. So they can't carry as much information, and this goes to Andrew's dad, where he can run all this by him. And information theory and chaos theory, it's a big deal. The more information you can put through a system

is through light, which is the reasons why light life Organizes around light Most light is the single biggest part of the three-legged stool that we talked about earlier from from a study So getting back to the water story When I put together what Chaplain saying Chaplain took Wiltsy's work, took Rankin's work, and Chaplin came up with this really crazy idea. He did a thought experiment just like Einstein did.

Ice has what we call a tetrahedral, hydrant and bond network. It looks like a tetrahedral. Liquid water can be a pentagon, it can be a pentagon. And It turns out that it can flicker at fento or pico meter time scales, very very small for biology. It doesn't break the hydrogen bonds. These are all the ideas I got from them. It bends them. It changes the bond angles and it turns out light does this. Light has amazing things like, for example, do you know what the mapeba effect is? You actually have to heat. If you use warm water and make ice cream, you make it turn cold or faster because of the

queer properties in water. Like when you form ice, you emit huge amounts of heat. Well, if you think about that for a minute, that makes sense with the story that I was telling you yesterday. So again, these are all key pieces to the story that I'm keep building. I'm adding them to the puzzle as I'm sitting.

And the reason for the huge amounts of heat is to seek balance, is that, why, what kind of, is is that this slain how it works Well actually the whole point of water is Water creates the basis of the dissipative structure remember how I said to you that I don't understand that Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna explain to you Because I want you to get it. This is a really important point when you're dead. You're at equilibrium That's what equilibrium is.

That unfortunately is not what most biochemists understand equilibrium when it comes to medicine. A dissipative structure means that it keeps it far from equilibrium. But yet, things can work. For example, to make it very simple to, in your house, you have a fridge, right? Your fridge reduces entropy, temperature, keeps your food cold so it doesn't waste. But if you look at it, how does it satisfy the second-large thermodynamics? If you put your hand behind it, you feel the heat coming out. It's dissipating into this big room. But within the system, the fridge is working. But if you look at a bigger system, it satisfies the second-large

thermodynamics. A cell is doing exactly the same thing that's using water to do it. Can I just zoom us out for a moment? Life organizes around light, totally on board with you there. Many levels also water. You said light water magnetism. The magnetism piece is still a little bit cryptic to me except the part. No, I'm, yeah, and I realize we haven't gotten there yet. I just want to cue it up because I think that for most people listening, it's going to be intuitive now, having listened

to our earlier part of our conversation yesterday, around why life organizes around light now water. With magnetism, I just wanna cue it up. Does this go beyond the fact that DNA is a magnetic strip? Yeah, it does, but it's actually, the cool thing is it's a simpler story. One that's easy to understand, and it's tied to deuterium. Ketone IQ, a drinkable dose of ketones, discover more physical and mental potential, discover ketosis without fasting, ketones improve metabolic health and appetite control. It's used by top performers for gentle, long-lasting energy.

ketone IQ. One dose in the morning for cognition, up to three doses before a workout. No sugar, no caffeine, ketone IQ, a metabolic superfuel. Place in order today at hvmn.com slash tetra. ketone IQ. I cue. Turns out things with different charges have different magnetic moments, but what's the number one thing that biologists who are listening to this should pay attention to? What's the most magnetic thing in a cell that everybody talks about that always has a negative connotation.

Reactive oxygen species or reactive nitrogen species. Because of free electrons. Well, because the valence electron, there's only one. So guess what? It's drawn to magnetic fields, which tells you that the cell is using this as a key second messenger. So reactive oxygen species aren't just this pathological condition.

That's what we, you and I will learn and you'll find the more you read the stuff I tell you to read that ROS and RNS is probably the single most important thing. It goes back to what Rick had in his book, whatever they say, believe the opposite. Yeah. So should we not be buffering reactive oxygen species? Of course not. Because guess what?

When you understand the basis of what I told you yesterday, especially after you talk to your dad, he's going to tell you about what happens with super, with super oxide and the fentanyl reaction, all that, you quench the free radical reaction. For example, the one we use yesterday that I can mention here because people have already listened to it. Melonin absorbs everything. Anything that's left over is given to the water, like in the end of lymph canal. This is the reason why there's no pathology. Anything left over that a mitochondria makes actually has a purpose. It goes back to what Rick and I said to yes and I want to challenge

you with it. Did nature make a mistake with ROS? The answer is no. It has a purpose. Our job as clinicians and researchers is to figure out what the hell is going on. It makes far more sense when you subtract your belief that you have through your 47 years to listen to this story fully and then say, okay, what is really going on at the cell level below biochemistry? Because that's what we're talking about now. We are below the biochemical level. You know, we're talking about the electronic states of how a dissipative structure works because what does these fancy terms mean? It means that light is buried in everything in a cell where scientists don't look. It's buried in hydrogen bonds.

It's buried in the bonds between atoms. And it turns out water is able to bend its hydrogen bonds when it's in a different energetic state. That's effectively what's the difference between ice and liquid water. So you know that you don't have ice in you, but you know that ice worked when you had your heart surgery. So the reason why this is important is realize that water is a chameleon. So I mentioned the guy Marshall McLuhan because I knew you would know him. The medium is the

message. What I'm telling you is water is the medium, the mean, and the message for cells. It is absolutely critical. In fact, if you ask me, I would still say lights numero uno, but watering too far behind. Life is impossible without water. And it turns out, water has to hydrate our semiconductors to work, which is the most counterintuitive to the people that you're going to be talking to in the semiconductor world. They still haven't taken graphene yet and put it in water. I don't think personally graphene's going to work in water.

I think the triple helix is the key. You have to understand this atomic molecular organization. When I told you, yes, a AMO physics is the key to understanding the self. So getting back to the water story, I got all these guys on my head, Wiltsy Robinson brings it back in 2010. And then all of a sudden, a group at Stanford looks at Martin Chaplin's work is what did Martin Chaplin say?

He goes, there's got to be another answer beside the Tetrahedron and the Pentamer in water and he says I think it's a Icazahedron and He did this in his head and he modeled it with computers Turned out the guys at Stanford proved that he was right. So we now know This is that we now know that water isn't homogeneous, and we know that it has two states. Well, the two other guys that I mentioned to you earlier went back to them,

prepartoring Del Jucy, they came back to the water story after they got the homicole fusion, and they then proved that water, the heavy dense and light dense, one is quantum coherent coherent the other ones not What does that mean means that tap water or I can't tell you this water because this is due to your depleted water but Tap water that comes out in your house or even through your machine

40% of it will be not coherent not have the ability to connect with other things. You know, like the story that Andrew talked about yesterday was slicing the brain up that he saw me put on Twitter and he goes, a fact that transmission, it's really water. Water has the ability to do these things. We just don't know it. 60% is present there. So coherent domains become more prominent in water when sunlight hits it. That's the TLDR of water. So now let's fast forward to 2013. Rick gets a book by a guy named Jerry Pollock. Jerry Pollock writes a book that is so simple that a third grader couldn't

shit the bed with this one. It's really easy to understand. He basically took all the scientists that I just told you. The reason I went through this, Litney, you're a scientist. You're gonna fact check me. I just gave you a bunch of names and a lot of things you can read.

Eventually you're gonna find out that most of the things in Pollock's book are true, not all of them are, but most of them are. The difference is that I want Rick to understand is he still uses the term easy. I heard him use it. And yes, I even shut him down. I said, don't say that.

Easy water is coherent domain water. It's quantum coherent. So the next step is realizing everything about the human animal, everything about any animal. We are quantum coherent with our environment, meaning warm wet environments allow quantum coherence what's the key potassium changes the water molecules potassium chloride put together raises the band gap 7.67 right

plus 3.10 you get in the sun that's the last little bit what does effectively all of that mean to a physicist you just created a free pile of redox electrons to move wherever you want. So that's the energy that's the battery of the battery of the of the human. And that's what the basis of water is it creates the redox pile of electrons to move within the system which is exactly what a semiconductor does. the basis of water is, it creates the redox pile of electrons to move within the system, which is exactly what a semiconductor does. My understanding of the Gerald Pollock synthesis is that in the presence of a solid or in the presence of some plasma-like structures or organelles, that water reorganizes so that

positive and negative charges no longer are the only ones that attract, but you can now get like charges, positive, positive charges, attracting one another, so you structure the water in interesting ways. So when I've heard him talk about a fourth phase of water, what Rick was calling easy water, and I guess I just think of as fourth phase of water. What Rick was calling easy water, and I guess I just think of as fourth phase of water. My understanding, you know, the ellipse on that that I took

to the biology, I'm probably wrong here, is that when water is inside of cells and interacting with organelles like mitochondria, it is not the same water that went into the system. It is structured in this fourth phase arrangement where it isn't just positive and negatives that can attract you can Essentially get kind of almost plasma-like formations with water. Is that right? Water is a plasma So you're right about that what Pollock has got his main claim to fame is that he showed easy water has a negative charge So you remember from our vernacular meaning meaning science, the redox potential inside of something, you know, when you're healthy is a minus 400 millivolts.

When you're not, it's minus 200 millivolts. So if you look at the difference between, like say, NAD positive or NADPH all the way to oxygen, that difference should be negative 400 millivolts. But what happens when you lose the ability to create this redox pile of electrons, you have a problem. What did Pollock tell everybody to do? You shine light on the water and guess what happens?

You create EZ. In other words, the battery gets bigger because your charge separating water, which brings us back to my original point. What got me started on this, the first step in photosynthesis, is the charge separation of water to create positive and negative charges, to create a battery. Basically, now we've worked that out in cell biology. This is in fact true in mitochondria

as well. Because remember, where the difference in biology we make our own water. Remember, photosynthesis takes water from the hydrology cycle on the planet. It uses all types of water, doesn't matter what kind it is, and it makes energy and makes sugars from it, makes different things. My dechondria are different, they're racist. They don't like deuterium.

Deuterium is a huge problem in the matrix. Now, you have to remember that the single most important innovation in the eukaryotic world is the TCA cycle, the Krebs cycle. That's what Albert St. George won the Nobel Prize for, okay? To lay all this stuff out. And that cycle requires that the hydrogens that are added back to NAD positive are proteum, which is light hydrogen, just a hydrogen atom, no electron. And what happens in mitochondria? Those hydrogens are recycled through ATPase, 3.4 turns, you make an ATP, okay? 9,000 protons, usually per second, according to what Ling worked out, creates that. So we, it's an incredible number when you look at it. So you begin to realize you have to have

an incredible amount of energy to do this. And if you look at the things that are inside cells, remember I told you before that calcium predominantly is inside the mitochondrial matrix. So I knew right away that that had to be part of the the wide-man semiconductor. Magnesium affects 56 of the enzymes in the energy pathway. So guess what? Magnesium plays a big role too. What's the big part of the water story for mitochondria? This is probably the simplest one for me and Andrew.

I think it's simple for you too, because you've talked and followed my work for a while. Cidercrone sea oxidase, which is the fourth side of chrome, makes water in us. Remember, we talked about the spider on the mirror with mitochondrial respiration and photosynthesis. Their mirror images of each other. So we consume water on the photosynthetic side, but we create it on the mitochondrial side. This basic fact, I have to tell you, most people in centralized message message. Like when you say a mitochondria makes water, they look at you like you're crazy.

The reason why is because they have been stumped by Peter Mitchell's Nobel Prize, which is why Ling went crazy for 60 years. And everybody thought he was a raving lunatic, and I'm telling you, my opinion, top three scientists in the 20th century, Albert Einstein, Feynman, and Gilbert Ling. I'm not kidding you. Everybody else you can throw in the garbage. And I have a reverence for Albert St. George. He's not the top three.

This is how smart Ling was. He was so smart that he had a problemence for Albert St. George. He's not the top three. This is how smart Ling was. He was so smart that he had a problem different than Albert Einstein. No one knew what he was talking about. He just died last year. We're sitting here now, and I'm telling you, his work is still on the edge of science, but the craziest part of the story is from his science,

we got the MRI machine. That tells you that this guy was doing something right, and we're doing something wrong, because again, nature doesn't make mistakes. A question about deuterium and deuterium depleted water, so my understanding is that deuterium is enriched in water closer to the ocean at sea level. Put that on your reading list.

Okay, great. So, just to say no, the book I just threw at Andrew is a book called Defeating Cancer written by Gabore Somali. There are randomized control clinical trials because I know Andrew likes those about the effect of deuterium depleted water and deuterium on different cancer lines. And you will find that every single cancer out there is associated with amplification of the COX2 enzyme that affects the uncoupling protein number two to allow deuterium in to block the TCA cycle.

It ruins proton tunneling. For the reason I mentioned to Rick earlier, one deuterium affects how many? Hydrogen, 96. There you go, see, Rick's got it. Rick, that's all you need to know about physics, that that deuterium is bad shit. How many? 96. There you go. See? Rick's got it. Rick, that's all you need to know about physics. That that's your term is bad shit.

So Rick, you see what's on my hand? Yep. Deuterium depleted. 25 parts per million. This bottle, Andrew, would only cost you about 20 bucks. Hard to get. I found it hard to get. Well, this stuff is, this is the stuff that that book's written about.

This is what my clients use when they come to see me if. So remember you asked me, Ashstrake, is I want to be directly accurate with you. You said, Jack, what supplements you're okay with? Here it is, Andrew. Got it. This is the supplement of kings. So you were asking a question before the book came.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I had a question walking in here a day, but it has more to do with Melon and I'll remind you. Well, we're gonna get to that. I'm just gonna finish the story. I'm gonna finish the story. I'm gonna finish the story. I'll just see it.

It's a question about tattoos. And so, because you can't, you can't talk about it. Yeah, okay, great. So let's remember to talk about that. But I think right now, so with DeTurie, the story, I just wanna give this to you. So, you know, Rick, I don't know if you know this. The part of the lady that was in this story, May Wanho, she knew all of these same people. She wrote a series of books that I would strongly recommend.

She's dead now. So you can't get on your podcast, which is a shame, but that book details everything that I just told you about water. Okay. This book is literally heavy. Yeah, well take a look. No, like if you feel the weight of this book. The risk, it's not a huge book, but it, I want you to look at what I did to that book. Does it look anything similar to what I did to your book?

Yeah, you're writing all over it. Right. So that's what I do with books. So, uh, uh, uh, Deterium Deplete of water. My understood crude on, on, on, uh, like educated version of this is, um,

Deterium is, is in rich water, closer to sea level. As you get away from sea level, Deterium is less, less deeterium in water from springs and Alps and mountain top. High latitude. The reason this works, because I want you to understand, this is really important. If you understand Jack Cruz's science here, that when you get close to the equator, Duturium doesn't matter why,

because the sun is so strong. Remember we talked about 12 hours of sunlight and daylight? When you go up to this 59th latitude, the boreal forest marks the end of where life is. So from 59 above, there's no life, okay? It's all albedo effect because there's no sun up there. So what happens? Deterium depleted water is much higher there because what does it do? Carries more energy because it's not enough light. This feels analogous to yesterday's discussion about animals having to go into

the dark and creating energy from an internal source. Correct. I mean, I realized this is broad-themed because of rush sweeping on my part, but this idea that in the end, what cells and organisms are trying to do is create stable sources of energy. Absolutely. And, sun, obviously, is the best one for many organisms, not all, but in the absence of sun,

cells have alternate roots. That's exactly the ticket. And the alternate route, we covered in detail yesterday, which is very UV, VUV to IR. We can create light stronger than the sun by using atoms on the periodic table that build wide bandband semiconductors.

You just mentioned the one you wanted to talk about. Here's your time to step in, because I just gave you the story of water. That's it. Melanin is the best. There's nothing, evolution hasn't come up with anything better than neuro melanin. Now we have fiumelanin and eumelanin. Remember we have fume melanin and humelanin,

remember I told you they're doped with sulfur and nitrogen, but neuro melanin is doped with other things. Now the reason I bring this to you is I want you to go back to Stanford to talk to the semiconductor guys because what they're doing right now, they are now studying condensed matter physicists are studying melanin.

It is the most unique material. I think they're beginning to realize that maybe the whole story about graphene, let's move away from that. Melon is way more interesting. Well, to me, and again, I'm like kindergarten version of this, but to me, one of the more interesting things about melanin

is this link between melanin and dopamine. You know, I love, and by the way, I love randomized controlled trials. I also love the idea that nature is the ultimate trial. I fully subscribe to that because I love animals so very much. And early on, I was delighted, is the only word, to learn that, instance, at the same gene pathway that is involved in the synthesis of dopamine is involved in controlling pellage color. Like a rabbit in the winter is white and in the summer is dark, and in the spring and summer

is trying to mate like crazy, and is eating like crazy and getting leaner, right? And in the winter time, is eating very little, is getting fatter and is very pale pale and that's because of the relationship between the tyrosine ace and Zim and and and and in the summer and and you know in the winter It's depressed literally, you know It's physically and and probably emotionally a little bit depressed and in the summer It's ready to go wild spring fever as well and so the relationship between melanin and dopamine to me is so intriguing because of what we talked about yesterday, which is, you know, I, I, I don't shy away from the wu, you know, so I think

a comment on Twitter yesterday, somebody said, um, that the wow behind the wu is what it's all about. And I love that. But it isn't because when you see the mechanism yourself, like one of the things that you're saying now that I hope it's resonating, the reason I'm jumping in here, the link between melanin and dopamine is light, water, and oxygen. That changes seasonally. Remember yesterday when I mentioned to you that that trip to fan is one of these really interesting amino acids that can be catabolized as a ketone or as a gluconeogenic amino acid. So that's got to get you as a biochemist and go, why is nature doing this?

And it turns out you just answered it in your rabbit example because that's how animals change seasons. And guess what? We didn't have seasonal changes when the atmosphere was dominated by methane and a reducing element when there was CO2, but there was no nitrogen and no oxygen That's the point that I'm trying to make to you and this is the reason why on Twitter You saw me go nuts when you start talking about fluoride and oxygen because the quantum leap that I got to get you to understand how you change

the VUV IR frequency is water, chemistry changes, oxygen tensions change. And this is going to, what's going to change? Don't mean. And when you really step down the rabbit hole, what am I really saying? I'm telling you that this leptin, melano, cortin pathway, it explains a lot of things, like where are frontal lobes came from, where autism came from. And those are hyperbolic big things that normally most people at Stanford can say,

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because I dreamed last night that I didn't tell Andrew enough about Gourwitch's paper, the UV radiation and in the blog that I put right at the end, but the cancer research that now found that cancer cells metastasize not the way we thought. It's actually when my tostis is broken, when there's no UV light,

that's when cells migrate the most. So you were talking about the... Diabetes. Proceeds to the surface of dense melanoma. The, you talked about neuro melanin. And we talked yesterday about the fact that when you, you look at a brain even un-stained for any neuro melanin, and we talked yesterday about the fact that when you look at a brain even unstained for any neurochemicals, you can see dark regions like substantione igre.

You're the neurosurgeon. I've spent a lot of time looking at brains too, but you spent far more than I have for sure. So if I zoom in really close to a neuron or a little volume of brain tissue, I don't see those cells as dark, but you're telling me there is neuro melanin in them. It's just kind of your own skin. Look at your own eye. You realize that the blue that you have in your eye is also melanin, right?

The skin of me, you and Rick, because we're all white guys, he's probably fits Patrick two. I'm fixed Patrick one, 59th latitude. You're probably fixed Patrick two. So you got melanin in your skin, but see the problem is, you don't look at it like that. So I want you to think about somebody who's an albino or has Vidaligo, when you see that, and they have your skin, you're like, oh yeah, that's obvious.

Their melanin has been pulled in. The same thing in albino, they may not have the darkest, dark, but they are going to have something where the substantial niagris now realize, are they subject to other diseases that we don't get? The answer is yes. So they are a clue to this mystery, you know, that I'm trying to lay out to you.

That was a question I asked yesterday was about when I'm tan and I get on a flight and I get off a flight six hours later I'm not as tan anymore, which is strange because it's too short of a time. Well, that's why I thought Andrew would love this story. But do I, because you're socking it in. What Jack is saying is that the reason is not on my skin anymore is because going inside to do work inside. I guess what? Because it's amazing. This is the neuroplasticity. Like, Andrew and I know that we learned this together. The brain was not neuroplastic. As soon as you were six years old, you were screwed. That's what I was taught. You know,

that the brain just doesn't come back. And what I'm saying to the world right now is not only is the brain neuroplastic, it's way more plastic than we could even fathom. And the evidence of standing right in front of us, and beckers work on fingertip regeneration, on melanin. But the biggie, the biggie in complex mammals with huge epigenetic toolboxes, which is humans or chimps, is in our immune system. That's where it's really found, because what does a white blood cell have? I tweeted this morning about what we were gonna talk about today, and I put down a very specific slide

that I'm referencing to you now, because you can go look at it. White blood cells, and you know, PETA adia had told you all this stuff about the heart. I'll do it, I'm trying to hit everybody. I'm trying to knock down every sacred cow. Telling me a link is affected massively when it's screwed in white blood cells. It's threefold higher risk to cause heart attacks.

So remember, yesterday when I casually dropped to you that rats and humans have pomsy in their cytoplasm, what's the whole point of that? To keep your wipelot cells mobile, you have the block UV light coming from the nucleus. So guess what their cytoplasm does? Something completely bizarre. That allows it to migrate and mobilize to go where it needs to go to do its job. So we think about this pathologically because cancer is the first thing we think about with mobility and cells and why does it go? It turns out the reason why cancer cells move is they're looking for UV light because the tissue they came from doesn't have any of this VUV to IR light. And Gouric's paper is the key for you to understand it. That might a generic radiation.

It's huge. So the dominant paradigm, the absolute thing that I hate the most that I know Rick no longer believes is that UV light isn't a toxin. It's actually the fountain in a youth for mammals. Internally generated UV light. No externally too. Well externally because remember or both. Right because remember what we're saying here. Alpha MSH comes from POMC you as a neuroplacicity guy now your your job if you choose to

accept it is to go find out every tissue that makes palm sea. Like I did a pretty, I think they're amazing talks in Vermont, 2016 on photosynthesis because that's what we're talking about today. See the moon. And then the one in 2017 was all about equals MC squared and how light gets slowed down. And it was a little bit about what we're talking about. The one I did in 2018 was the first part

of the deuterium store that we haven't even touched on yet. Why do theorems in the blood and it's not anywhere else? It actually is a UV story. So I'll give it to you. In the blood, we have 150 parts per million of deuterium, but in the mitochondrial matrix, you want almost next to none. So on the surface, let's ask the question, does nature make a mistake? So it's our job to innovate what the hell she's doing.

So it turns out, remember yesterday I told you, you actually mentioned, no, I think it was Rick mentioned, the scorpions down in Costa Rica, and because of the UV light. And remember I casually mentioned to you that hunters use UV lights to follow red blood cells, because porphorins are UV to IR sensors. Hemoglobin's absorption spectres, 250 to 600, with a sharp cutoff. It doesn't absorb anything past 600. So when you understand that, you got to go to yourself. Why is hemoglobin absorbent 250?

When 250 is really not getting in there. Remember the slide I always show Rick online about UV light and UVB light really stops at the epidermis, the only one that gets a little bit lower is UVA, but not that much. So nitric oxide brings them up. It's still not enough. It turns out the reason why

nature put deuterium in our blood, do you know how a deuterium arc lamp works? If you heat up deuterium, it makes arc lights. This is what Helmholtz used in his original experiments for the photoelectric effect. Turns out deuterium, when you squeeze it, put any squeeze on it all, it mits UVC light. How do you like that? Wild. It is what we do not want it. Well, I'm going to tell you the reason why because guess what? Remember, and I don't know what you were told from the Stanford guys,

maybe you can enlighten us, but when you have any heart surgery, one of the big things that they're worried about is when you, especially when you go bypass, your blood goes through the machine, you're much more likely to clot and get clots and have issues. So a lot of times they'll put people on aspirin, plavix, or, you know, eloquist, some of the other blood thinners. What sunlight does, it's a natural, anti-quagolin because it increases the zeta potential.

What's that? That goes back to what Andrew asked me about early about like-like charges from Pollock's book. When you have a like-like charge, it repels platelets from adhering to the endothelium or to other red blood cells. So guess what nature's telling us? Nature's telling us we have to create

the extreme UVC light right here in the blood before we get the show started. Because what did I tell you before? The tissues make their own from these wide band semiconductors. What does the blood do? Remember the blood? Blood cells have no mighty condria. None. We lose it. Fetal red blood cells do, but our adult form make none. So what does that do? It effectively increases the charge capacitance. We're back to polyx work, we're back to photosynthesis. That's what charge separates water right at that level. And then when you really begin to understand blood the way I do, blood is thick so trippy.

What does that mean to you? Heinz Ketchum comes out like really, really slow. It's got a viscosity. When you add sunlight to it, it's less viscous. So it flows better. Okay. When you add UVC light to it, it becomes a magneto hydrodynamic fluid. Say that again, magneto hydrodynamic fluid that's thick, satropic, that can change based on what light is around it. So what is the purpose of blood when you have a quantum mechanical understanding of what semiconductors are capable of doing? Basically it creates the wireless system that connects the cathode ray of the sun to the anodes in you. That's how information is transferred wirelessly. I think that's important enough that I'm gonna ask

if you'd say it again, but because not because I didn't hear you, but because that for me sets off a like a giant exclamation mark. Are there anything you can tease out in it to make it more... Yeah, so... More clear. Yeah, so I mean that... I don't completely get it. Yeah, more... Yeah, so... More clear. Yeah, so I mean that...

I don't completely get it. Yeah, I'm at, you know... I put pictures in the block, I'm going to look at it. I mean, the biologist in me, you know, thinks, okay, this thing in the environment impinges on neurons that then converted it into electricity, into chemicals, and then they talk to other neurons, et cetera. And so I think that one of the biggies from yesterday is the idea that light isn't just triggering,

like flicking the first domino, but that every domino in the chain actually can and does use light. Meaning that light is... You made it within the body. They're very, very different model in my mind. And what I just heard Jack say was that, okay, so that links us with the sun

in a very different way. Correct. It also gives us independence from the sun in very interesting ways. Correct. But then gives us additional reliance on other things. It also speaks to, in the spiritual work literature,

referring to humans as light beings. Correct. Absolutely. Absolutely. And the other thing that you just said, though, I want you to go back to this and stop for a minute. Think about this. The mammals we talked about, yes, say,

the KT event are very different than the mammals today. So realize thermodynamically, what you just said, the implications are big here. Do you understand now why I'm saying there's a cognitive de-evolution going on moving back because we're effectively doing the same thing. Now that we've got these unbelievable semiconductors inside, if we block the Sun now,

we're really the T-rex of today. You know, we're not like mammals that can pull it out. I mean, take a look at Rick's beard. The old ass. He's pulled most of his melanin out of that sucker. And thankfully, he goes to Costa Rica and Hawaii, and he's got beautiful alpha MSH that he can draw on. And the craziest thing about Rick is he's so in tune,

he's such a wild animal that he says, I get off the plane, Jack, and I notice the difference. He's not crazy. But the reason I want you to hear this is, what I said to you yesterday in the melanin story about the Vidaligo. Remember I told you when I had my band Ted Talk, and I started talking to all these people about this.

She said, band? Yeah, my Ted Talk was banned over 12 years ago. Was it really? Yeah, it was. What on the original band side talk? I was banned before Sheld ago. Was it really? Yes. You're the original bandside talk. I was banned before Sheldrake. Well, you have Sheldrake. Yeah, did you?

Wait, I don't know if I want to tell the story. Sheldrake band? Well, yeah. I have no ambitions of ever doing a TED talk. And I'll say that twice. I've been asked a few times. I have no ambitions of ever doing a TED talk for because it constrains the kind of tag on somebody.

I'm not being disparaging of any, pretty people that have given them. But the only TED Talk I think anyone should absolutely see is the one which is a parody of TED Talks called This Is How To Be A Thought Leader where they break down how every step in the TED Talk is essentially like a stereotype of like, pace the stage, pace the stage,

like picture of the world for no reason. You know, like, like, it's a, it is hilarious. Anyway, I've seen it and I have to tell you, you have to remember this a long time ago, it was 2011. So I did it with the intention of doing kind of what we're doing here today. And yes, right. And I was totally, listen, Andrew, I was positively thrilled

that you got banned for giving a TED Talk. I mean, some of the TED Talks are so dreadful. In fact, there's like, I think a gallery of the worst ones, and they're pretty amusing too. But anyway, I keep interrupting you because I'm so tickled by the idea that your TED Talk was banned or that you were banned from giving one.

Which one was it? No, I gave it in total. It was awesome. I'm not kidding. I can't get a copy of it, but guess what? It was on. It was on this topic. The lesson, Milano, Courtney, and Pauline, Colt, Thermogenesis, and how I found it, and

how I used it in patients. Why in the world would they want to ban it? Because they realized the implications. They realized that the people that were supporting the event were big pharma. And three weeks after they had people from big pharma. Remember what I told you about the original injury with my knee and who gave me the information? That information got back to corporate America. me the information. That information got back to corporate America. Just so you know, I've been visited by the FBI, I've been visited by state medical boards after that talk, just so you know, wow. I've also been, I don't want to say, I've been to other places that

you can only imagine who are very interested in the work that I was doing because this was hitting on Things that would be really important In different aspects of like like space and things like that. So military was quite interesting Yeah, I was gonna say I mean, I'm fortunate to do some like I don't publicize any of it some work with Military and I find them to be incredibly open-minded that certain communities with them. Well, they want to win Yeah, they're very open-minded. Well, do are there to do. Well, they want to win. Yeah, they're very open-minded. Well, do you remember the story that I told you offline? You say about Becker?

You think they were that open-minded? And remember, the one thing I'm gonna get on your case, because Sean Tall told me I had to pound you on this. Rick yesterday in the car, we were going to lunch, said, I gave you the going somewhere book by Andrew Marino. Your duty, if you choose to accept it before I come on, you better have read it. Oh, I'll read it. Yeah. Because that block, I think you set me a message that you're reading it and loved it. This is we. I keep confusing the books. I keep it. There's the monk who sold his Ferrari.

I haven't read that. Marino book. That one you don't need to. The marino book is the marino book is the EMF book with the gallery of pictures on the. Yes. I am. Okay, I am in the process of reading before Rick thinks that I'm fully shit when I tell him I bought that book. Yeah, because he suggested it. I've been reading it. And so I'm about a third of the way through. Yeah, it's a dream. I mean, you sent me a message using the love.

I don't know all of these by I do love it. I do love me because it starts off. You know, I mean, there's something that happens when you read a narrative from another scientist. And you're like, okay, like, like, we're from the same thing. It's clear he gets it. He was, he was an insider.

And, but think about what you just said and what's in that book. They're completely at odds with each other. See, my audience is gonna listen to this podcast. I can tell you right now, they're gonna come back and say, at, you know, our 712 Uberman shits the bed. You know, you need to realize that who are these? I'll tell you.

Who knows? Really? Let me tell you about these people because that first day when I saw Jack Cruz all those years ago, 2014. I didn't understand a lot of what he was talking about, but there were other people around followers who were like, we'll explain it to you, like where the follower, like we, where the translators. And there was a whole group of people. They started coming out,

they were on Twitter. Very helpful. I was just confused between books and authors. Okay, the Moncus Souls for our different, the Marino book I own, I've been reading it, the point I wanna make to you, your opinion of what you have on the military is going to change radically. Okay. That's all I'm gonna say.

Okay. They are not our friend. When it comes to biology. They're not. Okay. And just so you know, Billy Tozan, who used to be my congressman when I was a resident, he was a great person.

He was a great person. He was a great person. He was a great person. He was a great person. He was a great person. He was a great person. They're not. Okay. And just so you know, Billy Tozan, who used to be my congressman when I was a resident, he basically cooked the FCC act. This is the reason why I don't like to come to LA. I only come to LA if Rick says this is important. And my nurse tells me you better get your ass there, Jack, to talk to you, Berman. Well, I've enjoyed my work with the military, but I'll keep an open mind as I read the book.

The point that you made earlier about the sun being a source, totally on board that, but that ultimately, the opposite end of that electrical field is the mitochondria. That to me is a very important thing to highlight. It might seem overly simplistic to you, but to me it seems very, very important because I think that we all can kind of into the idea

that sun is impacting the cells on our skin and our eyes, maybe even some of it's getting into our brain, et cetera. And that each cell is responsible for carrying out all these reactions and creating energy. But it's a very different thing to think about it from the perspective of the sun at one elect, one electrode, right? And you're mitochondria being the other electrode. I think that in its simplicity, it also helps span the gap that I think most people, like

myself, with conventional training don't naturally default to. All right, so do you want me to bridge a little bit of the gap? Because I wasn't going to go this deep. Let's do it. All right. Does that make sense? Yeah. Like the idea that I'm like, incharged by the sun, it's like, cool, but that's just a statement. But the idea that my mitochondria are getting charged, cool, but that's just another statement. But the idea that these are two separate electrodes between which you can generate electrical fields. Now I'm like, okay, I can for me that just has an intuitive texture to it that makes the most sense. Yeah, because it's just

like a cell tower and a cell phone. That's really what I'm saying, but what I need to do because it does go back to the story of water, I gave it to you guys in the Twitter feed this morning. But I wasn't going to get into it here, but I'm going to give you the two major connections. Three, when you get them, you research them, but then you'll say, now I understand Jack's magic. So the most dominant atom in the sun is hydrogen. Do you know what the atomic emission spectra of hydrogen is? It's red, it's red light. The reason why red lights the most dominant part of sunlight is because hydrogen makes up the number one dominant atom

in the sun. So what's the connection directly from that connection to your mitochondria? What did we say yesterday? What makes water? Cytocrome sioxidase. What are the frequencies of the red light chromophores in the cytochromes? 626, 867, 16, 860. Guess what they are? All in the infrared A. Guess what? That is at the domain of the hydrogen emission spectra from the Sun. That's connection one. Connection two happens to come from our friends, Del Jusé and per part. Remember, I just talked to you about them in the water story? You're going to learn something about the Sun that's very queer, where classical physics cannot explain something in the hydrogen spectrum in the sun called the lamb shift right that down

I've heard of the lamb shift. So the lamb shift is an explained, but you know who does explain it Quantum field theory or quantum electrodynamics, which happens to be our friend Richard Feynman and Julian Swinger, okay They won the Nobel Prize in 1965 Okay, they won the Nobel Prize in 1965. Guess where Julian, I should say, Del Jutsche and Perparter talked about that water also accounts for the lambshift. So what's the other connection to the mitochondria? It's actually in the water via the lambshift because what do mitochondria do? They take hydrogen protons and create a deuterium depleted water.

So those are the two major connections and what did I just tell you there? That two of the three legged stool is linked in that wireless connection. That's the Marconi link that you need to make. The third leg of the stool has to do with the reductionist way of thinking. You have to reverse engineer. Where does magnetism come into the mitochondrial store? Because remember, I said magneto hydrodynamic, right? Of blood. The FO head of the ATPase, which we know formed probably way before even Luca.

You know, that's the guy told you Nick Lane, who you do need to get on your podcast. He's the world expert in in mitochondria. The FO had spins and it spins because protons move through it. 9,000 to 12,000 per second. Okay. Every 3.4 turns you get an ATP. We think 9 to 12 protons creates, you know, an ATP in very, very quick fashion. There's papers written that I can send you that show that the ATPase functionally is a quantum nano rotor engine that only works on red light. So when you take apart everything

you learned in your biology, I'm going to tell you something that's going to stun you. This is how simple is the basis of what I told you yesterday. Now we're on the other end of the story with the mitochondrial side. Remember, it's called black swan mitochondria. Black swan was the event. The mitochondria is the other part. The mitochondria has VDR receptors on it. What's the VDR receptor? Vitamin D receptors. You know what they are.

So you got to ask yourself, did nature make a mistake by putting a UV detector inside the inner mitochondrial membrane where electron train transporates? Doesn't make sense on the surface, right? But does she make mistakes? Turns out, what do you do when you go in the sun? You don't have to eat that much

because the vitamin D that's made from your skin circulates in your body, blocks electron chain transport. What does that do if you're thinking like Faraday? You stop the electron, what has to make ATP? Red light, does red light ever go away when sunlight's out? Never. What else do I tell you before yesterday?

Red light penetrates the body six to 10 centimeters. Yeah, I was gonna ask you, so how deep does red light go? Well, it depends on the frequency, but guess what we do know? 626, 887, 168, 60, all penetrate. So if I'm standing outside, but stop for a minute, I'm not going to let you go there.

I remember what I told you about with the light that we emit from the wide base semiconductors, goes from VUV up to what? I are. So the chromophores in us, some of the chromophores that you mentioned yesterday, they make infrared light too. And you know that that's true. Why? Because if you have your fish tank infrared candle and you poke it at you, like when Rick said at night, Jack, I'm hot. Me and you have the same problem. You use an infrared, you'll see that you emit infrared. So what else does a mitochondria

do? It's also a car no heat engine. What do you know about car no engines? Meaning, the hotter they run, the more thermally efficient, where do they work the best? And this is now fault in steam engine stuff. If you put them in a cold environment, they work better. So this cold is linking back to thermally. It's why sleeping cold is better. Well, but the real reason is what I told you yesterday is because wide-base semiconductors work better in cold.

I see. And why the I--step works as well. Exactly. But the thing is, what am I trying to do here? I'm trying to go from the classical to the thermodynamic to the quantum mechanical. See, what I'm trying to do, you guys said some really cool things that I probably wouldn't have said yesterday

about space-time travel. What I'm doing is I'm taking you not only space time, what we're talking about. We're talking about levels of complexity this way. So it's much like the examination I'm asking you to do about the periodic table. I want you to look across tables and rows. And I want you to see the peculiarity of what cells are doing by what they're using. It's just remarkable that we stop at oxygen. But if you look at the history of the earth, all the things that were in the atmosphere before aren't here now. So when you wrote in the book, I actually have it starred that when the great oxygenation event happened, that I'll write that. But I'm just saying, you said that sometimes something new starts,

and you have to realize your mind has to take what you know today to be present, and say, well, what was it like back then, and how did life exist then? And you have to ask yourself the question, some of the pieces and parts of those ideas have to still be in us because we're here as proof that it worked. See, that's the ultimate thing. Like, I mean, if it works, it keeps happening. Right. Well, if the system doesn't work, we're gone.

Yeah, I mean, a very now seemingly trivial, but not trivial example is those melanopsin cells. Those are frog skin and rabdomyric opsin from homologous to what's present in insects. And we've got a little bit of insect like I in our eye. And I think for most people, they see Drosophila and then they see human and they go, that has nothing to do with us. And we've co-opted some of the exact same biology. Right. And it does have something to do with us.

I think I like that you made that link yesterday. I like that you brought it up here again. But the thing that I want to shoot because we did it yesterday. Remember that when you start dealing with chromosomes, you have to realize that if you have no light control senior experiments, everything you think is true. It's not true. It's never been tested. Correct. That is almost probably the biggest statement that I'm making about why I don't believe anything in centralized medicine or healthcare. It's the reason why when you guys asked me the question that you asked Eddie Chang, why he gave you the answer I gave you. But it's also the reason why centralized medicine focuses on RNA and DNA and

not my decondrial DNA. And here's the crazy thing, Andrew. Do you think it's easy to study a genome with 23,000 genes or one with 37 that only 13 make energy? Do you see the stupidity that we are not focused in on the most important part? Like, it's not the body plan or the semiconductor proteins that RNA and DNA make, it's actually how we transform energy. That's what the mitochondrial DNA does. And when you understand that it's connected, wirelessly to the sun, understanding the things that you need to understand about the sun to the mitochondria,

that's not that difficult. All the other stuff that we're talking about, like how energy comes from the mitochondria, how it's being transformed, and how we're making even stronger light inside us, and that this ability is distinctly a specialization of mammals because of melanin. Everybody learns in third grade what makes mammals mammals. They have hair all over their body. Well, people don't put two and two together. Hair is melanin. And we just established from Rick's own biohack, but he can lose his tan really fast. And I told you that I found a lady who was black with Vidaligo 15 years ago that I was able to refix her skin in three or four months. So it doesn't take that damn long.

A question about a pellage color just since we're here as maybe we could take a minute. There was a lot of enthusiasm a couple of years ago about paper showing that stress creates high peroxide groups in the hair follicle, which is what makes hair gray. I can't be the only thing that makes hair gray, but I thought that was pretty interesting given that we know. Well, the other thing I would tell you that makes a gray, because I want to give it to you, so you got it. The hair follicle loses the ability to make VUV light. So when you lose VUV light, what's the stimulus there for the neuroplasticity

and neuroactoderm, which is the melanocyte, to go out of the hair? In. See, replacing it back, but when you understand this, seeing people who are bald and gray, kind of is a big tell for a quantum clinician. You know, And it tells you kind of what's going on. Like we always, you know, the linkage that we always have, like a little small Italian guys that are bald, you know, and they're muscular, they have high testosterone levels. Testosterone makes your hair fall out, but people don't know that UV light actually destroys

or lowers testosterone. But we have these stupid anti-aging doctors out there putting gel on people's skin. I mean, when you see the stupidity of what these people are doing, because it's clear they don't understand functionally how a cell is organized and how it really works. And it's this atomic organization inside. And one of the things we haven't even touched on yet, but I do want to tell this to you You were gonna find out when you go back to Stanford Do you know that we still do not that they we still do not know the true Anatomic structure of neuro melanin

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Well, let's talk about the gut because endocroma funcels. So we were just talking about how there are neurons in the brain, like the neurons of stature, and I hear the make tons of dopamine. And they are literally black to the naked eye. That's how much. Same thing in the RPE, don't forget that. RPE and... A dream on the doula.

Right. Dark tissue. You don't need to any fancy stains to reveal what they are. You can see them without a microscope. Think about the diseases that you learned about now. Puts, yeagers. Think about Adescent's disease. Start, think about them differently, don't you?

Because you're like, yeah, those people get, you know, melanin in their mucus membranes. So what does that do? It tells you that you're pulling the melanin out. So when you think about John Kennedy, because he had Adescent's disease, he had bad back. Was that tell you about beckers, things, and semi-conductor? You go, wow.

And then you start realizing, so this is the real reason my astronauts get osteoporosis in space, because they're facing a totally different electromagnetic field and it knocks the two copper ions out and then the P&N semi-conductor don't work. See, space osteoporosis is different than osteoporosis here except if you live in California, New York Because guess what the spectrum here closer to space it's closer to space than it is to say in El Salvador or New Orleans or Florida So we're moving the Florida Could be here or no So let's talk about the gut the end endocromophin cells are super interesting cells.

I mean, I think one of the bigger discoveries that widened my eyes in the last few years, this is a Diego Borges work out of Duke, showing that your gut really is, has neurons that are sensing amino acids and fatty acids and sugar too, and are sending signals to the brain. So subconsciously, you're craving more of those things. Basically, your gut is sending signals to your brain, telling you what's present and what's

not present, what you're when you hear it, you just go, of course, right? You know, it, but what's the signal? See, I'd stop you right there. I think they, they think that it's the vape through the vagus. Yeah, it's through the vagus, but that's not what I'm asking you. What's the nature of this? I'm asking you to come. Remember, I'm pulling a gossi,, also go on you come to my level.

So I said something to you outside yesterday. Let's repeat it for the podcast because I don't know if we said it here. What's the difference? What did Fritz pop fine in his work that the two first two domains of life are key and and pro carryouts bacteria emit 5,000 times more light than you careouts. So remember the movie screen and the projector story? What does that tell you? Remember bacteria are functionally different than us.

They emit way more light. So they're the projector. You got it. And the light that goes between those bacteria and the inner chromosomes cells, that's the light that goes between those bacteria and the inner chromosomes that's the light coming through. So that process I I named it called quorum sensing. So what's happening? We need to know about the interaction there. So the microbiome the key to the microbiome is understanding the

light that each bacteria admits. We don't know that. One thing we do know is that the construction of the microbiomes important. The interesting part of the story, I was supposed to be invited back to Vermont to give another talk. And next year, the talk was gonna be on the gut. This is what I was gonna talk about. And the people that, with the organizers in Vermont,

are tied to the Western A price foundation. And I hit them pretty hard the first time because I said, if Western A price was still alive, he'd be a mitochondrach. He wouldn't be a member of his own society. Because he was a dentist and I used to be a dentist. I was an oral surgeon before I was a neurosurgeon. And I pointed out to them that it's not the food that's the problem. It's the fuel, the fuel and the engines. I should say not the fuel, but the engines,

the mitochondria is the big deal. And I pointed out to them a study that had just came out. This is now five, six years ago, a guy named Jeff Lee, who's down in Texas, went to see him a sigh, and he basically checked their poop all the time. And one of the things that he did is he fed them their normal diet, checked their poop.

Then he fed him phanta, tab, Mars bars, three musketeers, and guess what he found? The microbiome didn't change, which is a complete slap in the face to what modern science says. And the reason for that is if you understand my perspective, it wouldn't change because the light is the key to the story of the microbiome. It's not what you eat.

And the only way this perspective is going to change is when people realize what we talked about yesterday is the key to this whole puzzle that it's always a light story. Star with light water magnetism, work your way from there, and you'll do way better in trying to figure out modern diseases. And the same thing is true if you think about like things that we do now about fecal transplants, you know, one of the things that we do know, probably the one indication that I think is hardcore everywhere in the United States is if somebody gets a C difficile, get C difficile, which is a claustrardium infection

of the gut, pretty much every doctor you go to in the United States in 2023 will say, this is indicated for everything else fails. So you're trying to repopulate. You were smart to keep your appendix, why? Cause that's what the appendix effectively does. It's an anoculum for the gut when the gut goes bad. Like when you have a bad night of the shits, you know, you repopulate it because you need to make the light.

Remember, a lack of light, what does that mean? You're in poor conditions. Well, what you need means you're the cells within you need to compensate. No, let's go. I want to I want to make sure of this lands. Alexander Gerwitch, no light. That means those cells migrate, opens up further. Think about Barry Marshall. Think about the implications. Think about Colin Cancer now.

Think about everything you know about the gut. Cells migrate. That's not good. Think about how metastasis occur. Why does liver always get pounded? What's the first thing you hit? Portal circulation, you're going to liver, UV light show. It's filled with heme. We didn't talk about heme as a nitride-based semiconductor. That's what hemoglobin is, but you know, catalysts is a hem semiconductor. Cytocrome sioxidase in the mitochondria.

Every cytochrome is hem-based. Wanna hear something crazy? You know where hem is made in the human body first out? The mitochondrial matrix. So if your mitochondria is bad, can you replace your hemme semi-conductors? That was part of your hack with the methylene blue. So you know the disease called met hemoglominemia. That is a disorder of hemoglobin generally when too much carbon monoxide binds the hemoglobin irreversibly and it can't deliver oxygen.

You know what the treatment for that is in centralized medicine? Methylene blue. That's what the script is most commonly used for. Correct. That's the number one common use for methylene blue. Injectible methylene blue. Yes, IV. And you give it. And what happens generally generally, somebody who's got methemoglobinemia, they have blue lips,

blue mucus membranes. And it's from carbon monoxide poisoning. They come into the ER and they're pink, the whole body is pink, because the hemoglobin's got that color, because it's holding on to the carbon monoxide. You give the methylene blue and it dislodges the carbon monoxide and allows oxygen to bind. But the other thing it does, it also delivers nitric oxide to what?

Side of chromacy oxidates wherever that mitochondria is. That vasodilates. Remember, now we're back to letting that magneto-hydrodynamic fluid flow better. Is aceticromacy always in the mitochondria? No, it can be in other places, but the dominant place in humans that it is is aceticromacy oxidase. But I don't want you to think, like the number one heme protein obviously in blood is catalase, but you mentioned you know in gray hair before about peroxides. What's the quencher?

What is the free radical quencher of hydroproxide? Catalyse. Every kid in third grade knows that. Why? Because you can take liver and put it in baking soda and make a bomb. When, whenever we would stain brains for mitochondria, like we would do an experiment, like expose an animal to a particular experience,

then you sacrifice the animal, take the brain tissue out, slice it up, soak it inside a chromoxidase, and the final step in the reaction was to add hydrogen peroxide. And then you take the brain tissue out and you'd see all these dark regions, those dark regions of the regions that were active and presumably involved in the behavior or whatever it was. It's an older technique now.

Right. It is older, but guess what? It still works. Yeah. It still works, but it actually, for you now, you're probably going, maybe I want to start doing this a little bit more to find out really what's going on at neuron levels. There was a story, I don't know if it's true, but there was a story that a patient came to you wanting to do a brain surgery that other surgeons refused to do. And you said you would only do it if the person would sign a waiver so that you could soak the brain in hydrogen peroxide and shoot red light on it. Yeah, I do that almost all the time.

In fact, the story of the lady, I it. Yeah, I do that almost all the time. In fact, the story of the lady I just told you that I did that surgery on that had the subdural from the blood dinners. And I put the bone flat back on. I gave her medications to shrink the brain back. But once it shrank, shrank back put hydroproxide, 50% cut in the water. The reason why hydroproxide has another effect. You have to know a little bit about brain anatomy with this. The brain is kind of asked backwards.

It's the only organ where the most sensitive part, all the semiconductors on the surface, all the shit that's deep in the brain, most of it really doesn't matter. It's like white matter tracks. It's just the fiber optic cables that come down. So that tells you the blood vessels also are backwards. Like if you think about a kidney, it comes into the pole of the kidney and then radiates out. The brain, the blood vessels come in from outside in.

So the chronic arteries break up to all the branches. They go in the sub-rackidone space and they dive in. So this unusual phenomenon tells you that the surface of the brain is very, very different. So when I'm dealing with this type of problem, I realize if I put hydroproxide on the surface of the brain, which seems crazy, but it relibrates oxygen at that level when the brain is starving for oxygen.

Because what am I trying to do? I'm trying to improve my decondrial function. The side effect of doing that, if you put the bone flap back on, you can create air in the head and the patient will wake up and may have headaches for two or three days, but the one thing that they won't have is a stroke. So not to throw anybody under the bus, but somebody else in this hospital, or this went down, had the exact same case going on at the same time, they didn't do that, their patient got a stroke mind in. So where I learned that trick,

I learned that trick from my version, Eddie Chang, that was David Klein, who actually is a peripheral nerve expert, but he taught me goes, this is what we used to do, you know, back in the day, and it's kind of like, you know, those things Rick, you would like that sometimes the old school stuff, don't throw it away, you need to. There's a reason.

Dr. Klein used to make us, he come in the OR, Shantel can tell you, because she's the girl that was in there doing this. He turned the lights out, turn everything off, it goes, okay, we just lost power, I have a hurricane. How you gonna open the head? So I tell Shantel, go get me a giggly saw. A giggly saw is the saw that used to cut legs off

in the Civil War. So we'd get a twist drill. You had to learn how to twist drill and opening. Take the craniot and we would have to do a craniotomy after your first year at Resoncee, at LSU, if you couldn't open the head with a giggly saw, true or not true, Shantel. Amazing.

Amazing. But guess what? The difference is, Andrew, you can ask any of this offline. I don't believe modern neurosurgery training programs is do those things. Probably not. I wouldn't know though.

I'll have to ask them. Could all surgery happen under red light? All surgery should happen. And I'll give you another one because you, yeah, well. That's interesting idea. Oh yeah, it should, but I'll tell you the other thing. I do, you know, when I open the door when I use blind surgery. Wait, wait, wait, let me ask.

If you were doing a surgery under red light, are there things you need to see that you wouldn't be able to understand because it was red light? Yes. So other glasses, the surgeon could wear. That would allow you to see what you need to see where the patient gets the red light.

My eyes are adapted to red light so I could do it. But the thing that I would like, I would like to pose this. And again, this is not a question for you to answer. This is a rhetorical question. I'd like you to sit down to after I ask you this question and pose it to every neurosurgeon you know, because this is my, this was my conundrum. When you get my mindset and you have the knowledge that melanopsin is the single biggest option and everywhere in the brain and in blood vessels You know how we do brain surgery, right? Under operating microscope that has what xenon lights you ever check the spectrum of a xenon bulb Fucking horrible so it's down in that what is it for so guess what I'm saying to you the way in which we do the surgery

is a huge fucking problem. And the problem is, it's doing, it's doing damage just by having the light on the brain. Absolutely. Because you know what it's doing? It's destroying melanin. So when you come to my hospital and the nurses in the ICU

or the recovery room, so yeah, Dr. Cruz is a little bit different. He wants all of his patients, no matter what surgery has, to recover outside in the sun. You now know the reason why. If I use the microscope on him or a headlight that has a bad spectrum, I know that I just hurt my patients. So this raises an important question.

So in the eye, the pigmented epithelium supplies pigment for the photoreceptors. If you, like a detached retina, if someone gets it, it's not connected to the PE, pigmented epithelium, and that's why they encourage people to keep their eyes closed for a bit after the surgery, right? You know, because it needs to reattach. In the brain, the neuro melanin can be manufactured by individual cells, but my question, and I think I already know the answer, but I'm going to ask anyway, the idea there is that you can still regenerate the Neuromelonin

or once it's, it went zinon light hits it, it's gone forever. No, I believe some of the work that we're seeing like in the pancreas, like with data cells, even people have type one diabetics, If you radiate it with the right light, you can regenerate. So I'm going to tell you a really cool story. I told Chantella I was going to tell you this, and this is the perfect segue. So there is a researcher named Kosik.

Mal and female both married. There's a disease related to you. You've heard of this disease called the Gilbert's disease. It's not a big deal. It's a defect in an enzyme where your belly rubin in your blood when they check it. That's the stuff that makes you jaundice when your baby runs a little bit higher than normal and other people. It's not a big deal, clinically not significant. But the worst condition of that is called Kriegler Nijer syndrome,

which is really bad. That usually kills you. They have shown, Cossack has shown that if you use light frequencies alone in people with that, you can completely bypass the genetic defect. Now, that's the only and first disease I know that light can fix an RNA DNA problem. So this is what I'm going to tell you. My belief right now in 2023, there's a lot more diseases out there like that than we know, but the problem is, we're not getting to it because this perspective

that I'm sharing with you is not the dominant paradigm. The dominant paradigm is Genentech and Amgen and Pfizer and Merck can light can sunlight Get through the skull and I know the obvious answer is yeah to most people is gonna be no But no, it's obviously yes. I mean hamlin and kuru have already proved it. It's in their books long wavelength I've proved it so what what I can I tell you let's stop for a minute It's any anesthesiologist will prove it because Paul socks uses red light to check hemoglobin,

but not only that, we have a strain gauge that we put into measure ICP. That also uses infrared light. So anybody who believes that, their idiots. Because reptiles have pits to allow sunlight directly to the pineal. Correct. It literally holds it allowed to light right. They call that the pineal. Correct. It literally holds it out of the right bird. They call that the third eye. Third, relatively third thin skull. Right. Birds. So humans, obviously, hair and skull. Skulls are pretty thick in a human, relatively speaking. Higher your vitamin D levels, think of the skulls. So light of, let's say,

bone does not stop red light transmission just so so you know that, goes right through. Doesn't matter how thick the bone is either. We know that the bone at the temporal margin is really thin as well. Uh huh. The thinnest bone is actually right here. And also Rick talked about it yesterday, when he used the V light up his nose,

the ethmoid plate, which is right underneath the optochiasm and the pituitary right there. But the real thin one, if you want to see the thinn bone is like if you realized what it's like here, this is the reason why Andrew, when people put that damn cell phone up to the side of their head, I don't think they realize what they're doing. And then, you know, with Rick being my friend and being such a legend in the music business, I want him to know that melanin's in the cochlea. And this big deal, and I never want him to put a cell phone up to the side of the phone to my head I also don't use the ear buds

Remember that technology a few years back those human charger. They were like ear plugs with with light What are your thoughts on on those? I to be honest. It's all gonna depend on the spectrum The thing is if it's infrared I'm fine with it, but Andrew. It was white light. It was white. Yeah, then I'm out. What I would do with the light, I would check it with my spectroscope and I would give you an informed answer. Based on all the things that we've talked about, I don't know, I have to know the spectrum and then I can tell you what I would be worried about. But I would tell you, I am a huge fan of using light to do things, but you have to use the light correctly. In other words, when I say correctly, if you fully

understand all the things that we have talked about, I've told you that there's an atomic specificity for atoms and the reason that specificity is there is because the light we use, predominantly visible spectrum, changes inside. And we do different things with all those different spectrums of light. That's what chromophos are all about. You know, not that I want to get into an argument with you about Richard Axel and the smell thing and turn and all that. I'm in the turn camp and I know you're probably not. But I think after this you're going to start to look at it and go This vibration of molding makes a lot of sense when you understand the quantum mechanisms and the guy that I think is going to get you over the hump

With that isn't going to be Dr. Cruz. It's actually going to be Jim Elk Cleely when Jim Elk Cleely sits you down and explains to you exactly that the studies for electron tunneling and proton tunneling have been in the physics literature since the 60s and you're going to sit there and go why in the hell doesn't anybody embeiligy know this and it turns out there's some but these guys are so small and they can't get funding. I mean Jim is the Jim he works for the biologist named John Joy McFadden. He's written a book. If you haven't read the book it's life at at the edge, spectacular. And in that book, he lays out like how European Robbins used magnetoreception. Just so you know, that paper was written by two scientists in 1976 called the Wilchka's. Everybody thought they were batshit crazy, just like people thought,

Barry Marshall was crazy, till he had a drink his own helical back to the prove, he was right. There are a few reports even published in science about human magnetoreception, crypto-crime, better than chance. And also the presence of, we know then the fly, there's magnetoreception in the eye. I think ours, if you were gonna ask me,

this is from my years of being a neurosurgeon and seeing some unusual things. why there's magnetoreception in the eye? I think ours, if you were gonna ask me, this is from my years of being a neurosurgeon and seeing some unusual things. I think our cryptochromes are buried in our ethmoid plate. When I do pituitary surgery, pituitary surgery is changed in my career. Like when me and Sean fell star to doing it 30, 35 years ago, we still use cocaine,

we went straight, transphenoidal. I still like doing it that way. Now people use endoscopic techniques. So what does the endoscope do? It narrows your vision. When you're using the way we used to do, which was floral and and magnification, you actually could see, and there's pits in the wall of the etymony plate. And also the the pituitary, the Sinoid bone that comes up there that in humans, there's some unusual stuff going on there. And I've always believed that magnetoreception from what I've learned quantum mechanically, I think it has to be

relatively close to the SCN. I don't think it can be too far away because I think there's a tunneling effect. Where's that in English terms? Above the roof of the mouth. Yeah, well, you, at say it's the roof of the nose, but if you put your finger and your nose, like will you put your V-light? You're aiming right at it.

I see. And people don't realize, you know, the Egyptians took the brains out of the mummies this way. Your brain is only about that far away from your naries. The way we do it now is we make an incision in the front part of the mouth, push your upper lip up and go through your naries through your mouth. Wow. We did the other surgeons. But the better way, the old way was through the nose. Well, it wasn't the, I wouldn't say the old way. Both ways were old. You can do endonaisal or you can do through the nose? Well, it wasn't the, I wouldn't say the old way. Both ways were old. You can do endonaisal or you can do through the mouth.

I like doing through the mouth because I told you I'm an oral surgeon. So I'm pretty familiar about moving the bones of the face around really easy. And when I do a pituitary, I can do it very fast. Like 45 minutes I'm done. And I believe the issue with pituitary surgery because we have to use

fluoro or you can use navigation now. You want to limit the amount of x-rays you're using when you're doing this because you know with a pituitary it's squizzily sensitive to radiation. You know we've learned that from kids with you know creating panhypal pit, kids which means their pituitary is shot. And is the reason why radiation is, I'm a big believer that one of the big mistakes we're making in neurosurgery now, that we need to cut all use of radiation in and around the brain. I don't care if it's malinated or not, because I think the effects are huge. And I'm telling you what I just told you about when we open the head up, and we're putting a microscope, or we're putting our headlight on that and we now know that melanopsins everywhere.

The problem is, it's, you know how lawyers say, ignorance of the law doesn't matter, you're still guilty. I kind of feel the same way about us, you know? And it's kind of like, if you see damages being done, it just makes it crazy. It's like you said yesterday, well when you know better, you're changed. You can't do it.

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that's a big, frequent deal. And the thing is, when you think about the things that I have to deal with, the major flow to the brain, carotids and vertebrals, and you think about all the different things we have. Like, I can't tell you, almost every patient now, above 50, 55 years old that walks into a neurosurgery clinic, they're almost always on

plavix aspirin or eloquence. And why is that? Because they're never in the sun because the dermatologist and ophthalmologist has been really successful of keeping people out of the sun. And they also look like caspardagost when they come in. They have no melon anywhere in their body. Well there you and I have been aligned because even though I've made some errors clearly, you know, tell them people contacts are okay, which by the way, folks, they're not. Because I wasn't aware of this. I'm an ex-agent. And that's the reason I didn't pound you on them. It's also the reason I don't pound neurosurgeon about the slightest.

So I hope through this podcast that people, even if you don't believe me, examine what I'm saying. You know, it's a marketing-educated mind. Take something you don't believe. Look examine what I'm saying. You know, it's a marketing educated mind, take something you don't believe, look at it for yourself on the side, and it's the reason that I don't get on Wim Hof's case about cold, because he's completely wrong about the physiology, but the story still fits.

You know what I'm saying? It's okay to embrace cold because it increases, VUV light, you know, and that's the reason why it works. If people learn why it works, what's a great guy? Because it doesn't matter. He got the stimulus right, for sure. And I think that, yeah, I've encouraged people to get, you know, as you know, morning sunlight, avoid, and evening sunlight, avoid bright artificial lights at night.

I'm starting to become even more concerned about artificial light at night, unless it's red light. I do have a question about that. No, you need to be concerned about red light at night too. Yeah, okay, it's actually affectionate. Yeah, I'd like to know about that because I've adopted the,

you know what happened was I went to visit Peter Atia, yeah, stayed in his little studio adjacent to his house and he said, by the way, Rick was just here and all the lights in there are now red lights. And I had the best sleep of my life and it was a great couple of days. But I knew that because I stole the red lights when I left because no one else there was gonna be,

of course, you had to, so, and I've been traveling with them. Yeah. Right. And so when I check into a hotel, I bring these red light bulbs and screw them in. This isn't a panel. This is just, I know what traveling with them. Yeah. And so when I check into a hotel, I bring these red light bulbs and screw them in. This isn't a panel, this is just, I know what you're saying. I got the same thing in my hotel as well. And it's really transformed my evenings

and my sleep in an important way. But I'm gonna tell you, it's the theory of relativity, light, my friend. I don't want you to feel comfortable. But the reason why it's helped you is because you subtracted out the horrible for the better. But red still has a problem. Why? Red light's not present after sunset. What would you like? What would you want to see purple light? Well, that's the interesting thing. I don't have good data to back up what I told you in a yesterday, line, but I tell people all the time about John Oats book in that

restaurant that's no longer in Chicago that for 25 years use UVA light and nobody ever missed a day. It's been blacklight. Yeah, it wouldn't use it for a second. It's like it does. We're going blacklights, Rick. You're house. I like it. I like it better. Actually, what we use, me and Sean tell you is fire. We use candles and we'll use a combination of infrared and UVA light. Like I have pictures that you can see on my Instagram of my house. And it looks like a pink Floyd show. Well, there are a couple of papers I particularly like that are this guy. His name escapes from you right now, but from University of Colorado, two papers were basically, he took undergraduates.

Camping for two days were basically, they were going to rise with the sun and go to go to sleep with sun. And they were able to use campfire at night. And then they took the, they looked at the action spectra of the light. And it turns out that even a really blazing campfire is pretty photon sparks. Like, it's not that bright when you, in terms of... Do you know what the photon sensibility of your retinas?

The photon. Five photons. Yeah, or even less, in pitch black. Yeah. I'm just telling you so. You can see one photon flicker, which is amazing, right? In a completely dark environment, if I just flashed one photon, you'd say I saw that. Correct, one photon.

That's like, I mean, if you like to internalize that, that's like the equivalent of being able to see like a speck of dust from a mile away. It's in many ways. I'm gonna pull something up. That's how sensitive it is. There is a picture that shows all the different modern lights, but the bottom one is candlelight and fire

and believe it or not, I think it's 3% melatonin disruption. So this is what I will, the take home I want you to get. The people that you're talking to on the podcast, your audience, they're predominantly mostly healthy. The people I'm dealing with are the people coming in that are train wrecks. So, they can have no tolerance. It's the same thing I think about the people on the Titanic.

The jacks on the boat, you know, they could stay in the water, cold water, with whatever the girl's name was. For quite some time, dealing with the cold before they died. My patients don't have that talent. So for example, somebody comes to see me with ALS PD, Alzheimer's, a brain tumor. I want zero tolerance. Why?

Because their melanin renovation project is shot. I need to get them going. Like if Rick walked in, even with his history, I'm not worried because Rick has already embraced this for over 10 years. Jack Dorsey, the same way. My good friends, not all of my friends do it. Some of my family didn't even do it.

But when it comes to my patients, I actually asked them, I said, you tell me, are you willing to do this or not? If they tell me no, then I don't give them the whole shebang like I'm giving you. And I think that that's how medicine should be practiced. I think to me, that's what Concierge medicine is all about, is tell the patients, give them

informed consent. You know, it goes to, you know, what we just went through with COVID for two years. Everything should be informed consent. The doctor should be informed, the patient should be informed, and we make that choice. The thing is, I really believe that when you know better, you do better. When you know the intricacies about light, you know the intricacies about mitochondria, I can sit down even with a patient who's not scientifically based. I don't try to do all the science stuff except for you guys. But when I sit down with a patient in the office,

you know what I mean, Chantal, it's seen me do it. I use really common sense stuff like the sunglasses, I use the orange tree with the tarp over it and then they like, yeah, that. Well, I love this and I will, I promise I will forever credit you, when you know better, you do better because you know, a big part of my podcast and has been to give people some mechanism and a lot of people are saying, well, I just want the PDF for, you know, and we have tools.

T-L-R, right. You know, and I get it, but I do believe what you just said. I've just never thought about it that way. So thank you, which is that way. Well, it's the difference between, remember, you're a research scientist, nomin clinician, and the thing that I want to do, I want to teach you the clinical stuff.

Like, I really wish that you live close to me so that you could see what we do in the clinic. You would be, holy shit, this is cool. And it starts before the patient comes in. It's absolutely right. And in fact, it starts before I operate on them. Sometimes, like, you know the band Ted talk? I'll tell you this one.

I wanna see this talk. Well, I'm gonna tell you, at least, I'm gonna tell you two things that happened that made it controversial. The first thing is I talked about a guy, and he, you know, he cleared me, he's not dead. He's not alive anymore, but he was a banjo player and Rick would love the story. He's a musician in Nashville. And he said, doc, my

quality of life is terrible. I'm in a wheelchair. I can't walk. He had horrible spinal stenosis and spinal stenosis for those who don't know it's pinching off of all your nerves and you're lower back. So he needed like a five level operation to deal with it. That means a decompression, take the bone out the ligaments, and then I have to put them back together with screws and rods. Not a fun operation in an 80 year old guy. This is a surgery that in 99 out of 100 patients, Jack Cruz would not do. But this guy said to me, I only have two or three years left to live, and I know that and music is my

driving passion and I talk to his family and This guy has been playing the banjo for That's what he's known for he says if you can give me that he goes. I'm willing to go through anything I said I said okay, so I'll tell you what I'm willing to do this, but you have to do something for me So I put him on my cold thermogenesis protocol six weeks before. I also had them using infrared light six weeks before. Okay, I've taken the surgery, do the operation, hardly any blood loss, the guy did great. And you know, you asked Eddie Chang, five level fusion, it's shocking. I don't even think I

lost 50 CCs of blood. The guy gets up, we put him on the floor. He's he's too old. The anesthesiologist won't let me put him outside. So I putting on a freezing cooling blanket. And I said to him, Lonnie, you're going to shiver. He shivered for two or three days. He walked out of the hospital after a five level of huge and 80 years old, not in a wheelchair. He lived for, I think, two and a half more years, played his banjo. When back on stage did whatever he wanted. He had no problem.

The other thing I did that was unusual. I used to have infer, I should say, UVA lights. I cleared it with him. I said, once your duras exposed, I would like to put UVA light on your durar because I think it'll reduce your swelling. And I think it'll lead to quicker recovery. Will you allow me to do that? And he signed the consent. He used the infrared light post-op.

He hardly was on any pain medication. You ask Eddie what I just told you. You talk to any neurosurgeon, you say a five level fusion with screws. This guy would be on whopping doses of pain medicine. Turns out this is one of the huge benefits. Remember what I told you about pumps? Yes, it has an endorphin right? It endorphin. So we're tuning the system to the natural opiate. It can ask you, what are the six domains of palm sea? We've got an endorphin in there. Yeah, there's, you also have the big one that we haven't

talked about, but it's huge for your work in mind as ACTH. That's where the cortisol story starts. Right. So if, so in palm sea, you've got ACTH in Dwarfen. A beta lipotropin, I think, is in there. Okay. I don't know what that does, but it sounds like it's a growth thing. Yeah. Yeah. I can't remember the other ones. Okay. I'll look them up, but I mean, this is super interesting.

Super unbelievable chemical. I'm his and unbelievable protein, right? Because what we're really talking about here is a multiplex. It's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a bento box of,

of like a really great biological mallet, like, it's the supplement I want you to get behind. Right. And that's the sunlight supplement. That's huge. Here, this is the other one. This is the lady that I...

Oh my goodness. So what Jack showing me is a picture of a woman black woman with severe vitiligo on her face. Take the phone though. I want to look at her hair. Look at the difference in the hair. You see that she went from gray hair to darker hair. And then after the treatment is pigmented in all the regions where previously she had these

very white, almost outbindin-like. So don't you think Michael Jackson may have wanted to be a patient of Jack Bruce? Yeah, I mean, and aesthetically it's, you know, essentially it untraceable that she had, you said it's a female patient. Yeah, she can't tell from her. She shaved her head because she didn't like the gray hair.

And then she noticed after the treatment where we used a combination of lights on her. Let me ask you something. This is, how about this one? There's one, this one I'm gonna show you just a shot. That's me. Passing red light into a vein. Correct.

So directly delivering it to the system. Because you know there's something else that you probably have heard of, is UV blood irradiation? Well, we are starting to develop fiber off the cables like the Mueller cells directly into your veins. Tell me about grounding. Oh, it's huge. I mean, grounding is grounding is goes to the point that we were making a while back with Andrew that when you want to have a perfect electrical conductor, let's talk about your coffee maker. Coffee makers are more thermodynamically efficient when they're grounded. It turns out you are too. Okay, so the way the sun works, it's a cathode ray, the planet is an anode. Anytime a cathode ray hits an anode, it creates free electrons.

So we are the only primate, the silly talking monkey that has sweat glands on our feet in our hand. So the reason why I told Andrew, the old way I used to deal with new people is make like the sphinx all four on the ground, look to the east. That wasn't hyperbole. There's actually a reason for that. When you're grounded, we also know that you absorb more photoball modulation in for a day and UV light from the sun. So the more connected you are, the more thermally efficient you are. That's the main reason to do grounding. The best way to ground,

you already know this because I know you do it every morning, you walk in the beach with your feet, wet, absolute best way to ground. There's no better way. Even wet sand works. You don't have to go all the way in the water, but as long as you're on wet sand because what you're doing, you're effectively transferring free electrons from the ground into the sweat glands of your feet and bringing them up. And if you think about what I just told Andrew before he went to the pisser, sodium chloride. Sodium chloride is what? A huge band gap. So the effect of this is unbelievable. And it's the reverse effect of what you see from Laptin. If you understand the leptin prescription, basically you eat less and have to,

I should say you eat less and you don't have to exercise as much, because what happens on the intermine congenial membrane when you're in the sun? The VDR receptor stops electron chain, ATPA spins, you still make ATP. So remember, where do electrons come from? They come from the food to eat. So you don't need the food.

Because you have the electrons coming in. Correct, because VDR is blocking it. So it turns out with grounding, if you have more free electrons, remember I told you that life is the way people like to describe it. I think Albert St. George said this. That basically what life is all about

is exciting electron, letting it fall to the ground state, and the tissues capture the photon. That's exactly what grounding allows you to do, because you remember, you cannot capture light because of our friend Albert Einstein. The photoelectric effect says, photons can only excite electrons. So you need electrons as the base to get the light in.

So grounding gives you more electrons. Like when you walk on the beach every morning, you're hopefully replacing the electrons that you lost from the first 50 or 60 years of your life that caused the melanopsin damage in, you know, your heart. And you know, I've told you this, I think it's completely reversible, irrespective of the surgery or not. You know, you're not going to go back to the base right you were when you crawled out of your mother the first time, but do I believe that Rick Rubin can live a pretty damn good life longevity-wise, irrespective of all the other stuff that people have told you, if you're mindful of the light,

the light to me is the single most important thing in longevity. What are the other things besides grounding that can upset the way that the human machine works as you, as as powered by your understanding? I would say anything that doesn't allow you to connect properly to the source code. So, in your vernacular, I look the sources, the sun, the other source, there is a secondary source, which is the magnetic field of the earth. So the magnetic field of the earth is important. So for the human resonance, that goes, again, we're back now to water, hydrogen bonding. The 7.83 hertz of the human resonance, which was found in 1951 correlates with the EEG alpha wave. So we know clearly that, you know, sleep cycles in the alpha wave are totally tied.

That's the heartbeat of the earth and the heartbeat of the earth is found in our hydrogen bonding network. That means it sets up a resonance that occurs. That's part of the answer that we didn't talk about yesterday when Andrew brought out the paper with The slices of the brain and how these waves seem to propagate. It's actually through the Hygrenbondi network of water and most of what we are In cells is water. I mean, I told you when we're born we're 80% water you and I at 60 years old We're probably 55% water the more more water you have, the better you are because what gives you the quantum coherent effect in your body that we're talking about that connection you're asking me out?

The more coherent the tissues aren't you the bigger your connection is. In other words, you don't need as much sun And shantel wanted me to tell you this. Yes, Ray and I forgot to so I'm glad you brought this up Children don't need as much sun as me and Rick. The older we get, the more we need. So I classically teach this through heteroplasma rate. As the heteroplasma rate goes up, learn this from Doug Wallace. What is aging?

What is like an arbitrary degree in P to Adi are really missing. They don't understand mitochondria well. What the issue is, is every decade we go up, the efficiency, the thermodynamic efficiency of mitochondria drops. The name for that is called the heteroplasorate. Wallace has found through his 50 years in the field that heteroplasorate goes up about 10% per decade. But that is in a classic healthy state. Can you be, let's use Bonscott because he's dead. We

can't get in trouble. Bonscott likely had a heteroplasma rate of an 80-year-old when he died. And that's the point, like when people ask me questions about explain childhood cancer, we now know because of our epigenetic toolbox that it's controlled by light. Well, you can be born from an egg that has a high header of plasma rate, you're gonna wind up with childhood retinoblastoma or type one diabetes.

Like, it's not hard for a mitochondria to explain this. It's hard for some of your clients or you were men's people to accept it, but it's not hard for me because Wallace has clearly showed this. There's no argument. In fact, he's shown slides that show you the higher the heteroplasma rate, the disease shows up. If you lower the heteroplasma rate, the disease goes completely away. And it's irrespective of the disease. So when you realize that, you start to go, wait a minute. That means all the ol' theicic disease aren't energy game. So the reason why Shantel wanted me to tell you this,

because I don't usually talk about this stuff, you know, the way we're talking about it, like at a very foundational level and building it up, so you can see how the quantum mechanical level meets longevity. You guys, you know, hear podcasts of our podcast about how guys think moving and picking up heavy things is the way to go. That helps. It helps mighty country, but guess what? If you're doing it in a blue lit gym, it's kind of like, I don't want to use that analogy.

That's probably bad. Let's put it this way. The dildo of unintended consequences often comes without lub. How's that? So they had their idea in Venice Beach when they were pumping iron in this zone. Absolutely correct. You want to do your exercises outside in the sun.

A lot of people try to characterize me as a not an exercise-exercise guy. That's not what I'm saying. The thing that I like to affront them with, and the thing is, I know Adia really likes Neil Barrow's eye, but he seems not to want to address the big elephant in the room, that all these old Jewish guys in New York that are 110 plus don't look like Michelangelo's David. In fact, nobody who lives long looks like that. In fact, most of the guys that do look like that die of heart disease somewhere between 50 and 70 years old. Now, that's a great generalization I just gave you, but I gave you the idea in the first six hours. The reason for that is we don't

bury our mitochondrial capacity in our muscle skeletal system. We do more on bone than we do in muscle. So when you think about it, when you hypertrophy muscle, you're actually stealing from here and here. So the idea that really big guys have less brain power is maybe, uh, really, I actually think there's something to it. But let me, let me flip this around. I'm going to ask you this question because I've said this in a couple of podcasts to people who I was sparring with, you know, and I did it on purpose to make them realize this. You know, people will talk about your body type and this and that and say, well, because they look like this, you probably shouldn't follow their advice. How would it sound if I came on your podcast and say, well, because they look like this, you probably shouldn't follow their advice.

How would it sound if I came on your podcast and said, you're such a dumbass that you don't know about wide-bed semi-conduction? Why would I listen to anything that you have to say? You see the logic there? I don't do that. Now, do I believe that most people are dumbasses because they don't know that?

Yeah, because if I figured it out, you should be able to figure out. I think most people just haven't been exposed to the concept. Right. I'm joking with that. I think you have to share it. No, I know you, I can tell you are.

I mean, I also, I was telling Rick this yesterday, I also know that, you know, in the field of neurosurgeon, I know enough neurosurgeons and enough physicians from other specialties in medicine to know that, you know, neurosurgery is the, it's the, us, it's the space program of medicine, right? It's the hardest training or among the hardest training. It is the hardest. And the, and the, the hazing process that occurs there is like none other.

And it's, I like to think, there's always a human element, but I like to think that it's tacked to a respect for what's at stake as opposed to the individuals. In other words, what I'm saying is when people like you, like if you school me a bit, I don't look at that as you schooling me because somehow you think I'm going to take that to my psychologist or something and you're going to get a cut because I'm not going to. But the there's too far too many other issues to deal with. The reason I think you do it is because you care so very much about knowledge and the truth. I care about people. I see it in service to people not in the room here and not just the audience.

So I get that. And I dare I say, I think we share that, right? Different styles, but I think you care very deeply about the fact that most people, including people not just in Centralized Medicine, but scientists and as a consequence, the general public are missing the reservoir of incredible resource that's like all around them all the time. And they're drinking from the sewer water as opposed to the clean spring. Correct.

And so I get it. And so, you know, that's why I invite it as opposed to hide from it. There are a couple of things that I want to ask you about as it relates to cold. And before I do that, though, maybe a segue would be I want to ask you about as it relates to cold. And before I do that, though, maybe a segue would be, you know, a number of different products exist now for cooling the bed at night. But one issue that I have, even though some of these I use, is that they almost all rely

on having an app and a wireless connection. Which is why I wouldn't use them. Which is an issue, right? So why doesn't somebody manufacture just a cold pad that doesn't require an app or a Wi-Fi connection? We actually have somebody. I'm always on clubhouse. The other part of my life besides being a decentralized physician. I'm a decentralized

Bitcoiner. Jack Doris, he's a good friend of mine. So he's tasked me with going into clubhouse and teaching people about Bitcoin. There's a guy in there who's a light engineer, his name's Michael Shapiro. He gets shit from everybody because he's a really aggravating guy. But he is working on this stuff. He's big into infrared light lights. He's big into UVA lights. In fact, he's told me that he wants to build a bed that's programmed over like somebody like me because one of the things I need in my clinic that I can't seem to find anybody to build for me, I want a programmable UVA UVB and infrared A bed that I can use for really complex brain injuries because that's the people I take care of.

That's not something that I think a regular biohacker would want because you need to really know what you're doing. But Shapiro has been working on this. I would tell you, come and join Clubhouse. I'll get them in, we can talk about them because I'd like to hook you to up because maybe you and him could come up with something so that you could, you know, sell it through your podcast, your website because I'm a you, like the ordering, all that. So anything that's tied to an app, I'm out. You know, a lot of the other guys out there, you know, get behind stuff like that. I don't, yeah, I've gotten behind some of the cooling devices, but I've asked them, you know,

is there any way to do this where I don't have to have like a little mini Wi-Fi tower next to the bed, you know, not Wi-Fi tower, but you know, unit. But you're right, That's what it is. Yeah. And also when you travel, you want to be able to roll something up and plug it in. I think there's tremendous opportunity there. Oh, I agree with you. And I do think that people need to know that cool at night, like the whole thing centralized

sleep doctors know this, that the interesting way sleep works, that the signal, the metabolic signal that gets us into sleep is a denazine. What people don't realize that a denazine is the waste product of ATP. So it goes ATP, ADP, AMP, a denazine. Here's the interesting thing. New studies out. This is specifically for Rick. High intensity photovolomodulation, red light improves the denizen. Want to hear

something else, Rick? When somebody has, if you pull out a BLS or ACLS book, do you know what's one of the things on our crash card in the algorithms? Given a denizen. So anybody who gets that rhythm, you know, by definition, what I tell people, that person has had a previous circadian mismatch. So the reason I'm telling you this, I don't have to tell you, but high intensity photo-bi-modulation light for someone with a brand new valve and a brand new aorta is probably something you want to pay attention to, but I know that you already do a good job with the sun,

and I'm much bigger fan of the sun than an artificial light. I also use the sauna space. Yeah. So what's the relationship between it? So, identity and I think of as the molecule that makes us sleepy. It's a... Well, it signals, but remember what happens then. That starts the process after melanopsin effects.

So, think about sunset. It's a decrescendo effect, meaning that literally the sun is on the calorie, I should say the color temperature, the kelvins are like 1200 kelvin, then all the sun everything goes off. You go from 12,000 to nothing. That decrescendo effect is what the melatonin is paying attention to. It's the same thing with cortisol. So this is a palm sea effect. So what happens, you need four hours of darkness, okay? Melatonin builds, builds, builds, builds, builds.

When this melatonin offloaded most of its excited electrons, it's at nighttime. It's early in the night. But people don't realize melatonin is made from an aromatic amino acid, so you regenerate melatonin in the daytime. So everybody thinks of it as a hormone of darkness when it's not. It's actually a light hormone, but it works at dark.

So the way I like to think about it, it's got a bifasic result. So what happens then? When melatonin begins to offload its photonic power to the semiconductor tissues. It works best, the colder you are. So generally in the brain, and I've done when we do surgery, we actually can put an infrared thermometer in the CSF and you can see with certain anaesthetics, different changes in their temperatures. So when you said yesterday, Jack, I know that my surgeon at Stanford told me that he cooled my head, the understand what he's doing.

He's actually optimizing you from melatonin. So technically, he's doing something that's neuroprotective just as the methylene blue buds. But mine was in addition to what you were having. And the reason that melatonin works better with the two to three degrees Fahrenheit change in the brain goes back to what we talked about yesterday. It's because you're able to make extreme

or very low UV light. So we're talking about below 250. So usually it's between 150 and 200 because you need to look at the action spectra of the aromatic amino acids. Once the offload of melatonin is done, temperature rises up, temperature change, change the band gap, oxygen changes, that signals, prolactin and growth hormone. So people ask me all the time, where is human hibernation? Because all other mammals hibernate, we know,

it actually occurs every night between 12 and 2 o'clock. This is assuming circadian mechanism attacks, which it's not. So the growth hormone story actually is also a band gap story. So hibernation is built into every cycle we sleep. And the reason why this is- Why is it only from 12 to 2? Well, I'm saying that's in normal circadian biology.

Yes. The reason why this is important, and I'm dancing with you guys with this, because I want to let you understand it. The signal from the fat that's also released right at this time, where this is all coordinating, this is when leptin is released from the sub-Q fat and goes and populates the hypothalamus to allow the leptin melano-court and pathway to act as a quantum accountant. It checks the energy level in the body. That's what sets the whole system. So when you get past 2am,

assuming circadian biology is correct, what happens from that point? Melatonin starts dropping to a clock and what starts rising. Cortisol. Cortisol starts to rise all the way four or five. Cortisol wakes us up. I told you, pom sees where cortisol is made. Why? Because ACTH, which is a adrenal cordicotTropin releasing hormone is the precursor in the

pituitary, anterior pituitary, to make cortisol. What does cortisol do as it rises? It actually changes the piezoelectric current of collagen. And what does that do? Temple Grandin story. Trinks everything down, and that's what wakes us up. Interesting. Yeah.

And I've saw a pretty nice paper recently. I mean, to you, this will just be a duh. But I think that, um, but to a lot of people, I think it was surprising, including me, which was at, um, morning sunlight viewing raises the cortisol peak by about 50, five zero percent. And you want a lot of cortisol in the morning, but you know the reason why now it's palm sea. I mean palm sea is the supplement that you're going to need to stamp saying, okay, this is key because not only is it the cortisol hormone, it also tells you a lot about the cortisol melatonin cycle. So you're getting into something I hope I want to go into. So you're not a clinician, but you're going to go back

and talk to Eddie Chang. Eddie Chang is going to help you with this one. T1 weighted images on MRI. So what does a quantum clinician look for to figure out if your patient has a lot of melanopsin damage, you know, from bad light? Only things that show up on a T1 weighted image, subacute blood, melanin, what else? White matter is that. White matter. So what does that tell me? It's giving me an idea if there's melanin problems,

I can see it. The other thing that shows up, you can see a deuterium shadow in different organs. Because guess what I told you? When too much deuterium is getting into the mitochondrial matrix, it gets in through cox2 is getting into the mitochondrial matrix, it gets in through COX2 amplification in the mitochondria. That opens up the uncoupling proteins, the doors swing open.

Deuterium gets in, screws up all the hydrogen in there, it spends the ATPase. We see that as a signal change on the MRI. So on several of the blogs in our MyPouch Transite, I have MRIs of patients who are my farm clients, who they've cleared for me to show, this is what I'm doing when they come to see me as a clinician. So, you know, most people will go and do blood work. Blood work for me is kind of who gives a shit.

But what I'm trying to tell you, it's a proxy. Somebody comes in and has a flatline, cortisol, melatonin level. The first thing I know is that they have a problem with melanin renovation in their head. So I'm interested in their MRI in places where I know melanin exists. The second thing I ask about, like, I check hearing.

I look at their pupils. Like all the things where any melanin is, I'm looking for the ephanate reflex. Okay. If they're totally flatlined, then I know they have a palm seed problem. Guess what also goes hand in hand with that. Nitric oxide levels are low, right? Because you make that from UVA light. What else is jacked up?

Part-rate variability is terrible. Okay, I'll tell you again to tell me about the endorphinane cafflin. Oh yeah, that's totally jacked up. Most of those people, they also have a very low pain tolerance. Now, I don't deal with pain tolerance unless it's a surgery. Most of the people that come from me that are non-nurseurgical, they're usually having a disease that they want to fix. So I'm looking for other issues tied to this light problem. So usually they're flatlined in cortisol. Like we'll order a salivary cortisol melatonin study and it's totally flat. So they're not making it at night.

They're not making it in the day. Yeah, you want an early day peak and you want that thing down at night. What I'm saying to you is these are all proxies that give me clues. So like the gentleman who allowed me to talk to you about this, I just left him to come to you guys.

His name's Dick Rand out of Dorian. He lives in Southern California. He has a goal to live into 100 years old. So he's probably not unlike a lot of the people that pay a period out of you to do what he does. The difference was Dick Rand's been a patient of mine probably for about two to and a half years. It's got very specific issues and I've been putting it together. He's done way better the first year, but this year he came and he's got a couple of new issues and I'm not that I'm going to share directly with the issues are, but they're muscle skeletal

issues. So this should peak your interest based on what I said with Peta Adia. Because these muscle skeletal issues cropped up and he had some other issues associated with it associated with melanin issues. And this guy is Tanner than you are, but he lives in Southern California. He asked the supplement is vitamin D because he can't get it up naturally. So that told me right away that he's got a big issue. So I said, Dickran, would you be okay if I don't do your MRI this year on your muscle skeletal system, even though that's where you're having the problem, because I think your

problem is actually in and around your basal ganglion and I think it may be in your hypothalamus and he goes, sure. So we just did that scan two, three days ago, two, three days ago, found white matter lesions all over that area. There isn't a whole lot of white matter in the hypothalamus to begin with. Well, everything distal to it. I can show you the pictures. Oh, I believe you. You're the neuros to it. I can show you the pictures. Oh, I believe you. You're the neurosurgeon.

It just sounds, and I'm not going to challenge you, you're clinical acumen. I just meant that when I think about the brain and white matter, I don't, obviously, those neurons are my only. I'm going to tell you the follow-up story, because this goes directly to really why I came here, because I want you to hear this. So it turns out the lesions that I found correlate directly to the orthopedic problems that he was having. He went to see two orthopedic

surgeons in Southern California. One of them, I bet you know, I'm not going to say his name, but I bet you know him because he happens to work with a lot of professional athletes in the Los Angeles area. Okay. He was told by both orthopedic surgeons that he needed this joint replaced. Okay. I looked at the x-rays. I'm not an orthopedic surgeon. These joints didn't look bad. Okay. I've been hanging around a lot of orthopedic surgeons. None of them knew about this study, but this was the interesting part. The first doctor he saw, this person worked for four professional sports teams

as the sports medicine guy. This guy asked in the question, what about alternatives to surgery? Could I use red light? And the guy looked at him and said, what about alternatives to surgery? Could I use, you know, red light? And the guy looked at him and said, what's red light? Now, just remember that the four teams that he works for all have photo bomb modulation as part of their training. But this guy's affiliated and is telling a regular patient, there's no role. Now, let me tell you why you're important in this story. There's two possibilities here.

Either the guy's a total moron or he's unethical. Because if you're a million dollar athlete, you get PBM, but when you're just a regular guy in Southern California, you don't and I need to replace your joint. So I can pay my house note and my Mercedes payment. I don't know which one it is. I'm betting it's probably number two. The reason why this is important for me to come out and tell you this, this is clinical medicine. You are teaching the next generation of orthopedic surgeons. I need you to get

in there and say, look, you need to understand that there's more answers than what you're gonna hear about going straight to joint replacement. Because I think everybody's in agreement that what you came out of your mama with is probably more important than what synthies or J&J can replace it with, right?

That's the key. And the thing that frustrated me, that he wasn't given the option. And I know that he can default to say, well, this is not something I know a lot about, but then why are the people that you're working with on the professional side getting it, but he's not? This sounds like a circumstance where he has some explaining to do. At the very least,

y'all are gonna have to forgive me because I'm half hour behind my, I'm supposed to be soundless. But wait, there is something I really want to say because I hope this is not the first and last time that we get to sit in the same room together. I'll come to you. Yeah. I'm not coming back. All right. It was where we that bad. No, he's talking about California. No, it's not. It's not that.

It's just that I can tell you that when I'm here, I don't feel as good as I do. But remember, it's kind of like what I told you about your eyes this morning that I noticed. You have to realize I live between the 13th and the 28th latitude. I'm now at the 34th, but really when you add the EMF and I'm probably kind of like the 50th latitude. Last 20 years of my life, I'm not used to. I know that the stuff around here is causing Iboxia. I said to Rick, he's got gorgeous trees, by the way, if you ever come to his studio, Marvel out his trees because they're creating oxygen.

So this man can keep doing what he's doing for us. They're beautiful trees, but I know that Rick doesn't spend all this time here either. Now he gets around on. Yeah, so I'll come to you in that case. I want to thank you and you for coming to here and you Rick for hosting this. You know, I know you well enough now to know that you didn't come here for compliments,

but I just want to say thanks for coming all this way and doing your best to educate me. I took a ton of notes, which itself doesn't translate to anything except more importantly. I woke up this morning thinking about waves of light inside of me. I don't think I can unsee that. As Rick would say, once you've seen it, you can't unsee it. The tie with the cephalopods.

Also for me, felt like a little bit of a cosmic handshake between us and them. And I do think everything's connected. And I don't mean that in any kind of like woo, levitation mag magic, cartway. I mean, we're really talking about the substrates of life here at every level. And I do want to thank you because,

you know, I'm relatively late to this whole game on light, you know, and came to it through a different path. And the public education stands through a different path. And what I can promise you is that I'm going to internalize this in a real way. I fully expect an invite that I'll get some pushback for the ways I get it wrong. As I said earlier, I look at all of that as reverence for life, not any kind of ego battle. And I hope that when people listen or they see us go back and forth on social media. I hope they also will capture a little bit of the spirit that you really brought here, which is like

you're not here to soften it up for us, but you are here because you want people to learn and understand. So I, you know, I really just want to say thank you. I listen, I appreciate the invite. It was fun. I'm going to tell you, I'm not perfect. I make a lot of mistakes, but this is what I want to leave you with. Life and science is like a photograph. We develop from the negatives. So remember the mistakes are what guide us. If we went through life, never making a mistake, we would never progress. Mistakes are good. Remember Rick, if you really understand what's going on here, the quantum entanglement of this triangle that we're sitting in right now, it's in Rick's book. There's a reason why he brought us together to do this. Because he knew what was in you and me.

He wants to deliver to the audience. What he's doing to us right now is exactly what he does to Metallica, except instead of doing music, now he's using the podcast to do it. And I think he's more entangled to me and you than he is to Metallica, or ACDC or Adele. No, we're not putting money in this pocket. But we're giving him time. We're giving him time that he knows that he may not have had. And the older you get, the one thing that you do realize time is the most valuable asset that we have. And unfortunately, but I learned that the foot of Michelangelo,

the first 40 years, I pissed my time away. I focused in on the wrong things. I'm not willing to do that anymore. I completely understand I'm with you. I spent the first 30 years of my life in a small dark room making music forever. I had no life outside of it and never saw the sunlight at all.

Never was one of my friends, first time I went to Hawaii, said he didn't think I was capable of getting tan because I was so white. He's a ghost. Think about what he's saying. It's the same thing you get in the gym. That's how I want you to go back and talk to Pete out of you.

Exactly the same. Okay. Peter is going to love this. Peter is a good friend of mine. He's going to love this. Peter's a good friend of both of us. Yeah. Well, that's the reason I'm being provocative.

Why? Because guess what? I think you linked me to Peter for the first time. I mean, we, he and I knew each other a little bit on social media. I think it was through you that we finally went down. Well, I'm hoping that you do a podcast with Peter and you tell him basically when you do through all this, you're going to find out that sunlight through melon and actually is the best way to build your muscles. When you get that message, then I think we just upgraded him.

We just don't be surprised, Jack, if we all show up on your doorstep. You're welcome. Thank you very much. Appreciate that. Thank you. Because I'm not sure he was going to say it. Actually, actually, she's probably your biggest advocate besides Rick, because if it wasn't for these two, I wasn't going to do this. I'm going to be honest with you. I didn't believe you. I don't think it was.

I'll ask her. Absolutely. You do respond for a long time when I ask. I don't. I know. It's true. And the thing is, to be honest with you, you do respond for a long time when I ask. I don't. I know. It's true. I know. And the thing is, to be honest with you,

she's the most connected mammal to me. And I listen to her more than I listen to myself. Why? Because she's been through the battles with me. It's kind of like, I don't know. Rick maybe can speak to this. In his job, my job is really interesting. It's kind of like an Eric line pilot,

Nicole pilot. I can't do my job without her. Like no more nurse, especially a nurse, her degree. Like she can finish my thoughts and we've been working together for over 30 years. And it's just crazy. And I'm sure Rick has got people that work with him. Here, I'm sure you got people on your lab

that work with you like that. And the thing is, people that you trust like that, when they tell you something, you have a choice. Are you filtering this information properly or not? And I decided, you know what? As much as I hate California, much I'm really dreading getting up to take this flight tomorrow morning, you know,

because I got to go right back to work, you know, back to Traumago. But do I feel that it was worth it? Am I thankful to you Rick for doing this? Absolutely. Appreciate you coming. And I don't think this was really a lecture or lesson. I think what this was, to use the analogy that we used yesterday, we all sat in a movie theater and we all looked at the light going through the projector to the screen.

And now maybe we see the same picture on the screen. That's really what the goal was. And the screens are also inside of us. There you go. How cool is that? I never saw that coming. I never saw that coming. And I listened to everything he says and I never saw that coming. Well, I told I gave you in this podcast something that I have never told the public. The three blogs that I wrote for you guys, I hope that you truly have a chance to read them because I think when you read, I'm going to have to do this.

I'm going to read him with Andrew and he's going to explain it to you. We're going to do a little journal club, man, and Rick. Rick's also going to try and convince me that the Beatles are worth listening to because I'm one of the last people on the panel that never really got the Beatles. He's like, we just need to listen to the Beatles together. You're missing out. So well you said you'd help you Absolutely, we just find the right path. Yeah, I'm not I'm not anti. I just and we resonate on other music Absolutely, you know, so Lot of what's that loads loads so I you know

There's neuroplasticity within me Absolutely, you know, it's in it and all The Beatles were one that Joe Strummer's favorite groups. Well, there are. That's it. That's a Christian now. I don't know how many heroes in life, but Strummer's one. I did listen. I did listen to the Beatles with Joe Strummer.

Oh. 100% drive it in my car. Oh, man. Well, this was a delight. And I'm saying that about me, thanks. Oh. No, no. No, no, no.

You know, I'm a happy guy. I do most part of it. But this was a delight. I mean, I learned so much. Thank you. you