Tetragrammaton with Rick Rubin - Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar

Episode Date: July 22, 2026

Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar is a spiritual leader, humanitarian, and peace ambassador. In 1981, he founded the Art of Living Foundation, introducing meditation, yoga, and the Sudarshan Kriya breathing technique through programs now offered in more than 180 countries. In 1997, he co-founded the International Association for Human Values to support humanitarian and peacebuilding initiatives. He has participated in conflict-resolution efforts in regions including Colombia, Iraq, Kashmir, and Côte d'Ivoire, while speaking at institutions such as the United Nations, the World Economic Forum, and the European Parliament. He is also the author of numerous books on meditation, spirituality, and personal well-being, including An Intimate Note to the Sincere Seeker. ------ Thank you to the sponsors that fuel our podcast and our team: AG1 https://DrinkAG1.com/tetra ------ Athletic Nicotine https://www.AthleticNicotine.com/tetra Use code 'TETRA' ------ LMNT Electrolytes https://DrinkLMNT.com/tetra Use code 'TETRA' ------ Lectio 365 https://Lectio365.com ------ Sign up to receive Tetragrammaton Transmissions https://www.tetragrammaton.com/join-newsletter

Tetragrammaton. This planet always had some peaceful places, peaceful times. It's not that the whole planet was being disturbed at one point of time. Maybe during COVID, even then, there were places where there has been peace. Like there is day somewhere on the earth and night somewhere else. Like that peace and disturbance have been. part of this existence from a long time. In the recorded history, I hear about just 285 years

without any war or recorded conflicts. But conflicts are also part of life. Is sitting practice the best thing that we can do is that number one? Sitting meditation is essential. I would say it's essential. I would say it's essential. Once you are well into practices, if you have practiced meditation for a long period of time,

then whether you lie down, you are walking, you are talking, that serenity or meditation goes with you. It stays with you. So if you practice enough, the feeling permeates you all the time. Absolutely. It's just your vibration. turns into that space, and then you create joy. You don't say, oh, this is bringing me joy, but you are the source of joy, no.

Do you feel that from the practice you've done and from the state that you're in, that you can see a change in people when you're with them? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's obvious. How has your relationship to practice change over the course of your life? Well, from my childhood, I've been in this sort of space, which are from a very young age. So it's not just some moment that happened, that I completely shifted, nothing like that.

But of course, I took some silence, retreats, and I myself went into silence for 10 days. And then when I came out of silence, I started teaching, then the breathing technique came. Those things happened. But meditation was like fish to water for me, natural. Tell me about the benefits of being in silence. You know, it consolidates yourself in ways that you can't even explain. You know, you'll be able to hear the noise in your own mind. And then, you know, the mind becomes like a laser beam, very sharp and focused.

So it's very beneficial. I would say silence is the mother of all creativity. See, suppose you want to write a music or light some relic lyrics or a poem or anything, you need a quiet place, right? You can't come up with a creative idea in a noisy place. No. See, now you are in a beautiful quiet place. So that your creativity finds an existence.

And so silence is necessary for creative, productive activity. What would be a suggestion for those who have trouble being in silence and feel they're not comfortable being with themselves? Yeah, that would happen. That's where you need a teacher, someone who is experienced, who can just handhold you through that journey. See, even to learn swimming, you need. You need a coach. If you know that there is a lifeguard standing on the swimming pool, you would just jump without any fear, anxiety.

So the same way, silence for the first time may be rattling. It may be very confusing. So if there is a person who has experienced that deep silence and is sitting with you, it becomes so easy for you to get into that silence. space. Beautiful. Because we are all just energies and we transfer energy with each other, we exchange. So silence is also one such high-volt energy that can bring about transformation in people's life. Yeah.

More than words silence conveys a lot. Really? Yeah. I don't speak much. Would you recommend that most people starting off meditate for the same amount of time, or is it different for different people? Yeah, a general thing is about 20 minutes, half an hour. It's good to begin with, yeah.

It's not the amount of time, but it's the intensity with the meditation moves in you. That's more important. Have you noticed the difference in the outcome when someone, meditates by themselves versus meditating together in a big group of people? Oh yeah, they have qualitative differences there. They both are needed for an individual. Sometimes a group meditation

and that can uplift our spirit, our energy, our field. It creates a field of magnetic energy that makes it easy for you to go deep in. And other times it's good to be by yourself and meditate. alone. They both have their own benefits and both are necessary. Are there many opportunities to meditate with other people?

Oh yeah. We do create in Art of Living. We have full moon meditations. We are group meditations very often. Beautiful. Almost everywhere. We open our meditation session to everyone to come

and join. Tell me about Vedic astrology. Vedic Astrology. It's one of the most ancient astrology. I mean, you know, it's startling to see how, to the minute and second, the calculation that was done from thousands of years ago holds good even for today. If you have seen the Vedic Kalbanak, they call the Panchang, exact time of eclipse, exact time of transition of planets, all all calculated and mentioned.

are given. And so, the mathematics in that is so exact. And so also the knowledge that comes about, predictions and the nature of a person, astrology gives you a roadmap. It's like a GPS of life. It should not be mistaken as a fatalistic science. It's not fatalistic. It is futuristic.

It gives you an opportunity, it tells you, what all you can do, what all your possibilities, what would be the pitfalls that may be. So it helps one to manage and steer your life through that. Do you have any idea how they figured it out? You know, this is all part of the Vedic wisdom, the knowledge, which was all downloaded. Actually, it's called, it's not someone who received, who wrote by their intellect, but something that they cognized, that came to them in vision, that came to them as a premonition. In the modern language, you can say they downloaded it.

So, Vedic astrology, and also same with Ayurveda. Just imagine, so long back ago, they could see which herb and what are the combinations which would suit for a particular part of your body. What's good for your liver or kidney or spleen or pancreas? I mean, this is startling science. Research, if you go on research also, it may take you maybe several centuries to find out all this. Materia medica.

And it's all in poems. Most interesting is the only Materia medica which is in poetry form is in Ayurveda. So from the Vedic wisdom there are four subordinate Vedas. In that comes Ayurveda and Vastu

about architecture, about music, how different sounds can impact your moods. This is on Gandar Vedas. And then on the subordinate limb and the limbs of Vedas you have Jotesh,

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That's good, that's good. Can you remember the first time you had a feeling of transcendence? As I said, you know, it was there for me from very childhood. So I couldn't pinpoint one time. Oh, I had this wow experience. How did you come to it? childhood. We were here many lifetimes before.

You know? Did you seek it out or was it given to you? As far as I remember, I never sought for anything. And I didn't go searching for anything. Will your family members also practitioners? Yeah, of course my mother is a mother, my parents. It was in the families, mantras and the pujas. They were all doing.

They were quite in that sense, quite steeped in it. I read that early in life you spent some time with Maharishi. Yes. Can you tell me about that? It was so wonderful that in my young age, in my teenage, I spent my time with all great saints and sieges of India. And now that I'm older, now I'm spending time with young people. Yeah.

Marci was such a wonderful being to be with him. But something, yeah. How would you say the different saints of that period of time were similar and different from each other? You know, there is one common thread between everyone. That is wisdom. and serenity and love, and that was there. But their expressions were different. So many had different type of expression.

Mahashis was very scientific outlook, and it was very sensitive to the Western society and Western needs. And there are others who are very traditional and different, yeah. But it's more than what one speaks, This is the vibration. I see. It's a vibration. That's something nobody can deny, and it's so beautiful.

Yeah. Are the new discoveries different understandings of ancient practices, or there are actually new methods? You know, Lord Krishna says, you know, the ancient path is like a walkway. It's like a trail. You know, trail sometimes gets covered. But then when you clear the trail, it is both new and old. I see. So nature reveals itself to time to time what is needed for that time.

And everyone else is just an instrument for nature to play its king. How important is spending time in nature? One has to be within one's own nature, one's true nature. And of course, everything is part of nature only. We must realize that. I know that when I spend time on the beach with the ocean, I feel different than the nature of a big city. Yeah, that's fine.

You feel that way. But a point comes in life where nothing makes a difference to you, wherever you are, whatever you are doing. even the most noisy place can sound musical to you. If your mind is in the self, if you are a center, noisy place also doesn't matter to you.

And if you are disturbed, even this so beautiful, nice place also will be very disturbing and lonely. So it all depends on us how we feel, how the feelings come around. Tell me about the art of living training.

Art of living is just seeing life from a broader perspective in context of time and space and learning about the seven layers we are, a little bit knowledge about seven layers. The body, breath, mind, intellect, memory, ego, and then the self that is which is beyond the ego.

So a little bit understanding, a glimpse of these, but bring a huge transformation. And this we do with a little breathing techniques and a bit of meditation and all that together. And some techniques, you know, of broadening our consciousness or awareness. And it has helped people all over the world. I only see this as a gift that has come to this generation which does not have so much time or patience to pursue any spiritual practices, you know? These people are in such a hurry

that do so many things. They want everything very quick and this is something in a short period of time opens up those doors and removes the cobwebs around the mind, which causes so much anxiety, tension, sleeplessness and all that. So physically it is helping. We have number of programs.

And first, this is a basic program, is one thing. Because like in our days, we used to spend many years to learn something. A spiritual journey was not one or two days matter. It's for months together you have to do the practices. So today nobody has neither patience nor the time or resources. So they need things in a short form. So a little bit glimpse into it. What would help them to be healthy, happy here is the basic programs we do.

And then for advanced seekers, then take them through a four-day, five-day, silence retreat. and then deeper, you know, as programs on at various levels where you get the ability to bless others. You get so centered and then you become a blesser. You'll be able to help people to heal them from their physical ailments, mental traumas and bring a smile on others' face. And it's very gratifying for people. And when you are able to be of help to people around you, you feel such a sense of purpose in life and satisfaction. This is what people are looking for, you see?

If you ask people, everyone who is the purpose of my life? Life becomes really meaningless if it is only self-centered. But if our life is useful to everybody, you don't even feel at time. For most people, even the glimpse, Is enough to change their lives, would you say? Oh, yeah, yeah. Of course. See, we are teaching this program in the prisons around the world.

Only 800,000 prisoners around the world have undergone the program. And you must listen to their experiences. Their testimonies, it just moves you. And same with the inner city gang members. And the antisocial people used to go with the guns and keep shooting. Those sort of people with criminal and tendencies, violent tendencies, are huge change in their whole outlook towards life. These are some of the very important things that indicate to us.

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Yeah, keep saying that I'm a child who refuses to grow up. Do you know, English is more close to Sanskrit than other languages, Hindi or other languages? I didn't know that. Yeah. It'll be startling. names of the month that's all in English, they're on Sanskrit actually. Really?

You are saying December, you're saying October and then November, December, these months we say they're all Sanskrit names. December means the 10th sky. Ambar means sky. Dasha means 10th. December means 10th sky. November means 9th sky. October means 8th sky.

September means. Sapta umber, seventh sky. So March was supposed to be the new year, the spring. So March is new, first year. February is the fag end of the year, the last month of the year. So New Year should begin in March actually with the spring solitude. So spring is actually when the cycle starts. When the cycle starts, exactly.

That was like that till 500 years back when a king of England decided to have the New Year celebrated in January because he was born in January. And then, see, all the verbs that we have in English like go. It's Sanskrit, gamma. Gabba means go. Gacha is go. Organs of their body, hand, heart, hasta. Nasika, nose, danta, dental, heart, herdhdiya. You'll see, English is 80% in Sanskrit.

Wow, it's an unknown fact. It's very interesting. Yeah, like daughter, in Hindi, daughter means beti. But in Sanskrit is Duhita. Duhita is close to daughter, not beti. Like Suta son, Beta is so far as. away from Sanskrit, better in Hindi. So if you compare Hindi and English,

English is more close to Sanskrit. Wow, and Sanskrit's older, yes. Older, yeah, much older. Wow, I wonder how that came to be. Yeah, swasa, sister. So, I mean, I can go on and on and on. Sanskrit is not foreign to English. Sanskrit is the mother of English language.

Wow. So anyone who is thinking Sanskrit is a foreign language. in language, you are making a blunder because you are disowning your own mother. The mother of English is Sanskrit. Tell me about physical practice and breath work. We have the three dimensions, the physical body, and then the breath, the prana, and then the mind. So breathwork or prana is the link between the mind and the body. So doing breathing exercise is a way to have a say over the mind

and the body also. So it's very useful and very helpful. The first act of our life is we took a deep breathing. Then we started crying. We couldn't cry without the breath in. The last act of life is we breathe out. So throughout the life we keep breathing. but we never pay attention to our breath.

So for every emotion, there is a particular rhythm in the breath. This is what I've been talking last half a century. How breath is so important to have a say over your mind. And it's a way for your spirit too, expression of our spirit. And the breathing exercise can enhance the vibrations. in your body and your mind. And that is what consciousness is all about. Consciousness is just the vibrations.

And it doesn't take too much time to learn about it. Just a few hours you can learn about different rhythms about the breath and what impact it says in what part of the body. See, when you're happy, you breathe different. When you're upset, you breathe different. So if you're in a bad mood, You don't have to wait for time to turn around. Your breath can help you to get out of your bad mood in no time.

So it's one of the ignored dimension. That's what we are bringing up in our cup breathing. Giving prominence, making people aware how important it is. I imagine the speed of the breath, how fast, how deep, and where you place it in the body? Yeah, there is rhythm in the breath. When you're happy, your inhalation is deep, and exhalation is not so deep.

And you're frustrated, your exhalation is prominent. And there are rhythms in the breath, if you observe. And the breath changes from the left nostril to right nostal. There's a lot about it. And even knowing little bit about it, our breath can help us to be more independent, independent of our own emotions, our, you know, physical comfort or discomfort, we'll be able to manage many things.

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till today? Yes, yes but it was kept as a guarded secret with very few people. They would only share it with, you know, people who are really ethical or whom they see that they are fit to be given knowledge. Maybe some royalties were given.

But, you know, I thought, you know, it's the other way around. We can make people fit and more moral and ethically strong by teaching them this. Yes. So I have a little bit of a rebel in that direction. I said, whatever traditional knowledge is there, it should be available for everyone in the planet. Every human being is a right over there. That's my view from the very beginning.

So I wanted people to have that. So there was a time that was more like a secret knowledge. Yes, it was always guarded as a secret knowledge. There are chances for people misusing it. Because it's very powerful. Powerful knowledge. Over the course of your lifetime, how have you seen the acceptance of spiritual practices change? Oh yeah, big way.

Forty-five years back, it was not the same. The mainstream people thought, oh, these practices, meditation, this must be a little, maybe some cuckoo or something. Yeah. They would not think that it is a mainstream narration. But today is different. You know, last year, 192 countries came together to declare World Meditation Day. Wow.

This has never happened in United Nations. Of course, 10 years back, they did World Yoga Day, 21 June. But last year, specifically meditation was taken as a very serious thing. And when I led the meditation in United Nations, Secretary General's, he said this, you know, Guru De, we need this before every negotiation. When people meditate, they become calm and they're able to listen to others.

Our perception, our observation, our expression, all improves through meditation. And that's why I feel it's very important today to bring a robust mental, health in our society. This has been a very big issue. Perhaps you may also have never heard about bipolar, schizophrenia when you were all young, right?

No. I had never heard about these words. When I went to school and college, we never heard about bipolar or schizophrenia. Today, people take pride in taking the antidepressants. That is so surprising. People think, oh, say, I'm taking Prozac. I mean, that shows the mental health issue is a very big issue in the world.

Now, these practices will help you to get out of those mental health challenges. And you don't need to take these medications. Even to sleep well, you need today, sleep has become an abnormal function. And to make it normal, you have to consume, you know, sleeping pills. If you meditate, do the breathing techniques, our sky techniques, Sudharshan Kriyan. You have very good sleep, you have very good alertness. And another thing, the modern day life is about the mindfulness.

People talk a lot of mindfulness. The mindfulness is, I would say, is just the parkway. to your home, just the portico of the house. It's not the house. Mindfulness is a product, a byproduct of meditation. If you practice mindfulness too much, it causes more tension to you. It is doing something.

Mindfulness is keeping your mind alert. And this is a lot of effort. This is strenuous on our mind and brain, actually. Meditation is just the opposite. It just relaxes. It gives you deepest rest so that when you come out of meditation, mindfulness is already there with you.

Natural, it's not an imposed, practiced one, it is a natural outcome in your life. You are very mindful, you are very aware of everything. But that should be the byproduct of meditation. Would you describe meditation as an active or passive process? It's an active, passive process. It's an activity in the sense you have to sit and do it.

It is passive in the sense you let it happen because you let go of doing anything and everything. When you let go, meditation happens to you. So is the active part really about letting go of everything else? The active part is wanting to do and sit for meditation and let go. Yes. Tell me about the different kinds of meditation. There's guided meditation, body scans, mantra meditations,

focusing on a candle, focusing on breath, focusing on sensations in the body. Do they do different things? Yeah, yeah, there are as many as 112 different. types of meditation techniques. What technique you do is not that important. You have to do the technique correctly. You know, many times people do the body scanning. It's good if it remains to body scanning.

But then they take them on an imagination, imaginative drive. And they say, oh, imagine you are on the beach. You are holding the hand of someone very dear to you. Now, suppose you have two persons who are very dear to you. You have two kids, then your mind starts working. Whose hand am I holding? Yeah. Becomes work.

It becomes a mental gymnastician. So the mental gymnastics, we should not do it. That becomes a strain on you. And then you say, oh, imagine there is a blue light coming. Well, that's an effort. But if you say, just take your attention to your right foot, right thumb. That is easy. Simple. Simple. So, non-imaginative, a gentle scanning is what we call yog nidra. That is good. It's good to do. But then there are meditation with mantra meditation. You take an initiation from a teacher of your mantra. And then the teacher will tell you how to use the mantra, how to take it. That's very good too. And guided meditations are very good also in the

group many times, if you are not able to meditate on your own dry-dice meditation, it's very comforting and takes you deeper. So, any meditation is okay. But the thing is, you need to know that the goal of all meditation is to be nothing, to get into the space where you are simply energy and you are just love. There's a long tradition of reading sacred text slowly, allowing each word to settle, echo and reveal meaning over time. Rather than rushing to conclusions, this practice invites reflection, listening, and attention.

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Learn more at lectio-365.com. Would you say that the root of all conflicts is the same? No, there could be many causes for conflict. But there can be one answer. getting back to your true self and seeing the conflict as just a stepping stone for where you want to be. If both sides of a conflict meditate, the chances of them finding resolution are better, yes?

Oh, yeah. Even if one side meditates also, they get the skill how to manage and get over the conflict. Tell me about the meditation in prison. How does it come to be? And is there a resistance initially to doing it? Oh, yeah. Whether inside prison or outside, there has been resistance in people to do.

But once they know it, when they do it, when they are guided through it, they love it. In conflicting zones like Iraq, when after war, or also in Colombia, in Sri Lanka, in many of these areas. We have done programs for the people. There you don't talk about peace. People are only looking for justice. As I say, you are fighting for justice. Yeah, you must.

But for fighting also, you need energy. If you are shaken from inside, you have no energy to fight, right? So the strength comes to you when you go deep inside. Once you go inside, your mind becomes much more clearer, then your hatred disappears. Every child who has come into this planet

have come as a bundle of joy. So if you see through my eyes, there is no bad guys on Earth. They are bad because of their environment or their education or lack of it. Are the circumstances that they got into or lack of opportunity to know how to manage their own emotions, all this causes them to be who they are.

So if we remove this veil of ignorance from them, you find them like what they were as a child, a bundle of joy with bubbling enthusiasm. So inside every culprit there is a victim crying for help. And we need to heal them. Once the victim is healed, culprit disappears. The people who are engaged in crimes or all these people who do antisocial with burglars and those who, you know, walk around with a gun and random shooting and mindless killings, they

all need help. They were not born into this world as such. They were all misled, misunderstood, mistreated, and misinformed, and mis-educated, ill-educated. You said remove the ignorance. You didn't say educate. You said remove the ignorance, which implies they already know. We all already know. Correct.

The veil need to be removed. Yes. The curtain, the veil, which is... You know, shrouding the light that you are need to be removed. That's all. Yeah, and it sounds like the ignorance is the thing that was learned. And that's the thing that can be taken away to get back to the natural state. Correct.

I saw a video where you spoke about not being nice. You recommended not to be nice. I think it was about pleasantries. Yeah, yeah. Sometimes, you know, you get so stuck in. being so pleasant and you're not so authentic then. So you don't have to be nice all the time when you want to say the truth, you can say it.

And you should see the reality as it is and express it as it is. Without offending anybody, that's one thing. You don't have to be too nice, too goody-goody, at the same time you don't need to be rude and offend others too. The truth can be. unpleasant and still need not be bitter.

How has your education and physics informed your spiritual understanding? Well, education physics keeps you very curious. It keeps you a scientific temper and very objective in nature. So I see it's always helpful. You know, the ancient Orients, philosophy, they never separated science from spirituality. They said they always came together. We're together actually.

Even if you see the Gita and the Vedas, they start with the 36 elements. The first element is earth. You need to know earth, then water, then fire, then air, then ether, and then mind, intellect, memory, and then it goes on. Then finally, it says the Shiva, Tathwa. for the Shiva principle, the pure consciousness. So it's just an extension of each other. Spirituality is an extension of material science.

Material science is very much a part of the spirit. So they can't exist one without data. This division I find is very artificial. It just makes us in compartments. a holistic outlook towards life, body, mind, and spirit. And that's what the modern sciences are. Today the scientists are speaking about the consciousness and every object has a consciousness.

And what you see is not real. In 2022, three scientists got the Nobel Prize for declaring this is not real. this world is not real and this is what has been said from ages that what you see is just permutation

combination of atoms and it's not real what is real is the wave function the energy underneath it all because this is all changing everything will change the non-changing aspect of existence

is consciousness that's what we are even in you you know, now you have a white beard and before that was different and as a young boy you didn't even have beard but there is something in you that's continuing

though your body is undergoing changes your thinking has changed your emotions are changing but something there is that has not changed over the years and logging on to that something I would call a spirituality

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