TFTC: A Bitcoin Podcast - #172: Garly Leland

Episode Date: June 22, 2020

Join Marty as he sits down with Gary Leland, organizer of the BitBlockBoom conference, to discuss: - Growing up on James Island in South Carolina - Surfing - The development of cable TV - Early days of podcasting - BitBlockBoom - much more Follow Gary on Twitter Checkout the BitBlockBoom Conference use the promo code "RHR" Shoutout to this week's sponsors. Cash App. Start #stackingsats today. Use the promo code: "stackingsats" to receive $10 and contribute $10 to OWLS Lacrosse when you download the app.

What's up freaks, it's your boy Marty Bent here to introduce this episode of Tales from the Crypt. I had the immense pleasure of sitting down with a Bitcoin boomer, Gary Leland, who organizes and runs the BitBlock Boom Conference every year in Dallas, Texas. I've been to both that have happened so far. It's an incredible conference that I like attending and participating in, starting last year. And so we just sat down, shoot the shit. This is a pretty laid-back episode. Talking about a bunch of different topics, including surfing, Gary's trip to Texas from Charleston, South Carolina when he was younger, and why he started the conference, his experience in podcasting. Gary's been in the podcasting game for quite some time, and a bunch of other stuff.

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What is up, freaks? Welcome back to Tales from the Crypt. It's your boy Marty Bent here on a lovely Friday afternoon, sitting down with a fascinating man, a very interesting man. Gary Leland, founder of the Crypto Cousins podcast, the BTC Podcasters Network, and organizer of the BitBlockBoom conference in Dallas, possibly the only in-person conference that will happen in Bitcoin this year. Gary, welcome to the podcast. How are you doing? Howdy, howdy, howdy. Good to be here. I hadn't seen you in a while. I kind of missed... I told my wife this year I was going to do more traveling to conferences than I've probably ever done in my life i haven't gone anywhere except the tone bases conference which is a good conference but

i've been to one conference and this was my year i thought was it unconfiscatable yeah yeah it was a good conference uh it was vegas hadn't been to vegas in so long that uh it was interesting to go to vegas but yeah it's amazing how this whole year's turned around from i was going to hit maybe two or three conferences a month i was planning on coming up there and doing this in person with you and now i i've been nowhere yeah and now bit block boom like you said will probably be the first conference and one of the only conferences of the year i mean you know because we're pretty much on a lockdown here so yeah hopefully things start to open up bit block boom scheduled for the weekend of august 29th at the moment and hopefully things uh things are on

the same trajectory that they are now where things will be opening up and we'll be able to meet in person today is 75 day for restaurants up till today it was 50 you know i i truly think and i could be wrong because i'm not a scientist nor do i work for the government but i feel like they've just said to hell with it let's just let everybody catch it and get it over with as long as we can keep the hospitals so we can manage them you know and they aren't people in the aisles and people dying like crazy let's just let it go and if it gets out of hand we'll shut it down but until then yeah it's how long can you keep people home from work at some point you just have to accept the risk and at least in my mind i don't think you can take them back now i think you you've opened

it up people can go to hell with you i'm not going back right yeah it'll be um it'll be interesting to see if that second wave ever materializes that they've been talking about um hopefully it doesn't i have my fingers crossed that it doesn't but we'll see and it's according to what news you watch i was watching national news last night my wife watches um she doesn't really pay attention to news she just likes watching it for some reason and uh she was watching network news and they were saying oh everything's all going crazy in texas again and the local news came on and it said hey we got less cases you know people in the hospital when cases are down so i mean you know so i guess it's according to what you watch though but i

think the rest of the world wouldn't be watching the dallas fort worth news about texas they'd be watching the national news yeah i try to stay away from it all yeah as much as possible though it gets hard when you're on twitter people put it in your face sometimes yeah people put a lot of stuff in your face i kind of unfollow people who put too much stuff in my face that i don't care about yeah you know what do you what do you care about gary um just having a good time you know i'm 65 hell what i got 20 years left i mean let's face it i'm 65 so i care about going out having fun enjoying life i do what i do because i enjoy it i work a lot but you know i i don't have to work i mean i could just sell my businesses or i could even shut them down and just

They have the rest of my life, but I do what I, whatever I do, I like doing, or I wouldn't do it at this point in my life. Well, this makes a lot more sense after our pre pre-record conversation, where I found out that we, we have both lived in the same city before in Charleston, South Carolina, and you were the captain of the surfing team down there. What was that like? Oh, it was great. You know, we would,

we would go out to the beach maybe on Saturday or Wednesday or whatever day it was and we would have orange t-shirts we'd wear because we were the james island rams and if we surfed against bishop england high school they would have green shirts it was just like a surfing competition you know we'd go out there and we'd spend the afternoon at the beach and uh mr sullivan was the hippie teacher at school he played music in his class this was in 72 71 he played music in his class rock and roll music had long hair and we all had long hair but back then though but uh yeah we'd surf it was great i mean i spent seven days a week almost 365 days a year at the beach you know i had a wetsuit for winter i mean i did a lot of

surfing i got a new surfboard two times a year yeah it's uh i've never surfed on folly i have family in myrtle so we would go to myrtle that's where i actually learned to surf and i'd spend summer with my grandparents up there and i surfed myrtle a lot but never got to folly i was always too young for folly surf myrtle nags head north carolina you know we went up there camping to surf we surfed a lot of places we enjoyed i mean that's what we did i mean when we were really small kids you know we would surf we'd hide we didn't couldn't drive so we'd hitchhike to the beach you know with our surfboards and we only lived maybe six miles and we were on james island and we surfed on folly island and we lived like six miles from the beach so but it's so funny

cars back then were so big that we could put our surfboard sometimes in the trunk of the car and make it close the trunk i mean well i uh it's a funny you mentioned that because this morning i actually went surfing i got out this morning uh and drove to a spot and i wanted to take my car but it was too small i have not got surf racks on my roof yet and so i had to ask my sister-in-law if i could borrow her car because my board didn't fit in my car what size is your board i got a nine two nine two oh my gosh that's a big board or compared to when i was a kid my biggest board i ever had was eight four and at the end i think i had a six one but i got down to my smallest when i was in high school small boards were big i had five foot four was what i

had yeah i used to have i used to ride like a five seven but then uh i i grew up and i got too big i'm like yeah i'm like too heavy for those boards now that's the same thing surfer jim said come up to uh when i come up there he'd take me surfing i gosh i haven't been surfing since 79 um i mean and now i weigh gosh i weighed 165 maybe at the time and now i'm 210 you know so i'm 50 pounds overweight and 40 something years older you know i don't know how to do it's um you know it's kind of funny when my whenever i talk surfing my claim to fame i already always claim is I own the first

twin fin surfboard on the east coast what really yeah it was a Hobie it was the demo board that Hobie sent down and it was like nobody liked it and I said I'll try it and I tried it and liked the hell out of it so I bought it from McEvlin's surf shop on Folly Beach so that's my claim to fame

and when skegs came out or not skegs but leashes for your ankle which now that's an accepted thing I'm sure everybody uses but we didn't have those when i was a kid and i remember when the guys who invented those were traveling down the east coast trying to convince people they would buy them and they stopped by and our surf shop because if we weren't on the beach we were in the surf shop because it was low tide waiting for waves right

you know and answering the phone how's the waves we go oh they're terrible stay home you know but i remember they came and they were uh showing us this piece of elastic they had that you drill a hole into your skag because there was no way to hold it on there and so you draw a hole into your skag and clip it on there and put it around your ankle and i was like going wow this is the coolest thing ever because i mean you know when you lose your board and you're way out there in a big storm you got to swim all the way to shore that's a chore and getting back out again yeah i had that uh i had that experience i think it was hurricane irene or dennis i forget like in 2011 or 2012 uh the break was like a couple hundred yards out and my leash snapped and i had to swim in

from like 150 yards out i had to do that all the time you know one winter as a matter of fact i was surfing and i had my full wetsuit on and it was a storm because they were just huge waves and i fell off my board and it threw me under and i first had a really crappy wetsuit but i was only like 14 i couldn't afford very much my parents didn't buy anything you know i would give the surf shop like five dollars a week for my surfboard and so I had I guess it was crappy filled up with water completely inside the suit I mean I I feel like it was if someone had pumped water in the neck and so I'm swimming the shore because my surfboard's up there on the shore and I'm going I'm not going to make it I mean I'm seriously thinking I'm not going to be able to swim the

rest of the distance and my legs are starting to sink and I'm going oh I'm dying you know I can see myself dying and then when i get up to my neck and i'm kind of like my feet touch the ground and i was like oh cow if i'd had to go 50 more feet i don't think i could have made it yeah it's uh that's always scary yeah um and that's it that instance where my leash fell like i where it broke i actually broke i was getting back out uh into the lineup and a a rogue set came and just it was probably like an hour and a half into that session my arms were rubble rubber i just couldn't get over the wave and you're paddling out there the whole time just to stay still normally in the same location instead of being five miles down the beach

yeah you know so people don't realize that if you've got a tide going from left to right or current you're just trying to stay within walking distance of where your stuff is well especially in south carolina that uh that southeast chop down there is is much much heavier than it is up here in jersey one of my favorite experiences our fondest memory should i say i had a brand new surfboard it was surfboard australia was real big on our beach at the time they had a shop and i just had to surfboard like two weeks and i traded my old board and they give me a credit and i do another one so i always was paying five dollars you know a week forever on surfboards anyway the storm was really bad and the current that was going to the the south really bad

and i stood up and looked and oh my gosh i was like 20 feet from the pier i mean and headed to the pier because i was goofy footed so i'm headed to the damn pier and i'm like holy cow do i jump off no i don't have a leash if i jump off my board's probably gonna get broken half hitting the pier so i shoot the pier you know in the wave just because i'm too stupid and can't afford to lose my surfboard because i won't have another one and i come through and it's like i'm the hero of the day i mean everybody's like i've never seen anyone shoot the pier i'm sure other people have done it but no one you know in our crowd had ever seen anyone shoot the pier and it wasn't because i was being cool it's because i was stupid and wanted to keep my surfboard didn't feel like

swimming in breaking the board yeah breaking the board swimming in it wouldn't have been that bad from the distance of the pier it's just i'd have been out of 160 surfboard that i still would have had to pay five dollars a week for for a few more months yeah i uh i've never shot a pier so well i didn't do it on purpose i promise you that but but the feeling after i came out and the reception i got on the beach was something i'll remember forever i can't believe you stopped in 79 you never take trips to galveston to hop on waves or no i sure don't we moved to texas and i probably called my old roommate in 82 and i said hey see you can sell my surfboard i'm never coming back you know why why would you never go back to charlotte is texas that good

yeah it is yeah that man the the help wanted ads section of the newspaper back then was as big as the whole newspaper back in south carolina i mean this was the land of opportunity at the time and there's no state income tax you know i as soon as i moved here i said i'm gonna try to be a resident texas forever what what made you move to texas i worked for cable tv back then um i i worked with the a sales agency i guess you'd say a subcontract sales agency called southern services and we'd go to cable tv was brand new in the country and we'd go to new markets and open up the markets and teach people how to be door-to-door salesmen selling cable tv

and we went to i got onto charleston and we went to miami we went to dawson georgia we came here and we were supposed to go to louisville kentucky next and i liked it here so much i just stayed here And it was like, man, that was crazy money. We got paid like, I think, $20, which it was a lot of money at the time, to get someone to subscribe to cable TV. Excuse me. And if they subscribe, we fill out a form, and they give us a check for $20.

We basically got all $20. But, you know, if you went, like, we hit the airbase in South Carolina. They knew what cable TV was at the airbase. They'd lived there. man we were signing like 100 people a day you know we were kids out of school i mean it was just we could sign as many of them i'd knock on they lived in these quad places i'd knock on all four doors at one time and when they opened i'd give my spell to all four of them you know and uh we were cleaning up people were buying cars and pay for them in cash and uh we were just cleaning up

talk about efficiency knocking on four doors at once i was into i think we had a contest that day to see who could sell the most in a day and if you had knock on three doors four doors one at a time you were really getting slowed down you know so we but when you went to areas that knew what cable tv but then we moved to texas and we did grand prairie texas old city old population where we hit first near like the population was i only ever had three tv channels i only ever need three TV channels so then they came up with this thing it was a dollar to get it for a month and we still made her 20 bucks so they thought if they let people buy it for a dollar they'd get hooked and they'd stay so we were paying the dollar for him because we were net $19 right it's a dollar and

you don't even need to pay me can I just give you cable sure what's your name you know that was the craziest move i've ever seen telling salesmen they can sell something for a dollar and get paid 20 i mean well is this like during the onset of cable was cable just becoming oh it's brand new it's brand new yeah it actually i think grand prairie texas that small town was the first town in dallas fort i know it was first hand dallas fort worth to get cable tv this was cable tv was a brand new commodity this wasn't selling to this selling brand new no one had it everywhere we went they were either old and didn't want it or they go oh my god i've been waiting months for this and it was just you know as many as you could sign up in a day oh it's crazy hearing these stories

five dollars a week for a surfboard and you're getting twenty dollars per sign up uh uh for selling this cable and it seems like that was a considerable amount of money back in the day and thinking of that today like how how much have prices changed and uh has inflation well i don't what does the surfboard cost today mine i bought mine for like eight hundred dollars yeah they were 160 when i was a kid the entire time they never went up from the time i started surfing in maybe seventh grade until i moved out of texas out of south carolina they were 160 brand new surfboard every year so yeah this is early 70s yes 60s late 60s early 70s yeah yeah but before they took the off the gold standard right yeah that's what i'm trying to allude to like while we're here talking

we'll work bitcoin into this at some point but it is just hearing your stories fascinating to see what it was like back then like being able to rent a surfboard for five bucks yeah yeah actually uh you know it was funny cokes were six cents when i was a kid you know yeah if you use the numbers on that a coke being six cents that was when i was eight nine i remember that it was a nickel and a penny you'd have to put in the machine and then do how much a coke is today out of a machine which is probably two bucks i guess yeah and then you use that same percentage what's a coke going to cost in 40 years from now right and actually the first 10 years of that there wasn't any inflation because we were still

in the dollar so it's 30 years that did it not to 40 yeah it's uh i mean i don't think it's sustainable just looking at we were i was having a conversation with my cousins the other day just talking about like high school tuition like thinking about sending our kids to high school in the next 13 that you're for some of my cousins uh like 9 to 15 years with our children or 9 to 13 years and if prices keep going the way they are if you want to send your kid to a private high school it's just not going to be it's not going to be tenable we send our kids to public school. Um, and they did real well at public school. Um, we were in, we had moved, we waited to move because we wanted to move to this nicer neighborhood, but that neighborhood happened to

be in a bad school district. Uh, cause school districts never change here. The school district's always the same. And that neighborhood that we moved to was in Arlington, but they'd put a lake in and the lake was between us and South Fort Worth. And that neighborhood school district was south footworth which was one of the worst school districts around so we waited if you had a sibling in the once you start a school you could stay in the school so we waited until we got into the better school but you know our whole neighborhood was private school kids probably except for my two kids and maybe three or four kids there's only 80 people in the neighborhood 80 houses so there's not a ton of kids to begin with but uh my two kids are two of the only kids that i know of

that were in their group that got out of college in four years and they went to a and m and ou they went to major universities they both got out in four years so i believe you can get a good education in public school it's just dependent on the public school i guess i completely agree there yeah yeah um no just i mean if you want private school as an option that's getting like the prices are getting insane that's where i follow inflation is university and in private school because mainly my generation millennials have been fed the idea that to be successful in life you need to get uh a college degree yeah i didn't go to college i didn't go to college my wife has her master's my daughter has her master's my other daughter just has a degree um but i i

didn't go to college i mean i didn't think about going to college i went right into work trying to start a business yeah you seem very successful you and you have your hands in a lot a lot of things which is what i admire about you you're early to podcasting uh you're explaining before we hit record again that you have a a wallpaper business and sports sporting goods business as well as everything you're doing with with the bitcoin stuff i have a hard time selling things i'm easy i'm good at creating them i just can't get rid of them i guess but i did have podcast movement that's the uh i was a fourth partner in that founder of that that's uh was this it is the largest podcast convention in the country at 3000 people last year in Orlando. We're in Dallas this

year, we were expecting 3500. But well, they were expecting 3500. I sold my share to a big radio network. So I did sell something for the first time. And guess what? It was when Bitcoin was like 3,500 and I bought a lot of my ass how long have you been uh into podcasting uh I started in 2004 I say I was one of the first hundred podcasters on the planet a lot of people say I was one of the first 50 but I'm sure there were other but I was the first person to podcast from Panama and from Italy and the first person to podcast in a hot tub you know those are my claims to fame in podcasting well let's dive into this what was it what were you podcasting about how has this whole medium uh evolved since you've been into it well it's like huge now um i was

podcasting you know i'm a marketer at heart i mean you know so when i first started podcasting it was for sporting for sports i had a sporting goods store i had several i'm like i have several things i do now i had the fast pitch tv podcast and then i had the gary leland podcast or the podcast pickle show it was called i had a podcast directory i had one of the first podcast directories we opened up in maybe january 2005 called podcast pickle i was in time magazine uh in 2006 their list of 50 coolest websites um so i got into that early and that was my main deal as i was known as the podcast pickle p dilly was what people called me and so my show was the p dilly show p dilly yeah yeah that's incredible and that was kind of fun i met a lot of people and podcasting you know

no one knew what podcasting was though i mean yeah what was what was the distribution like back then um i don't know if you got a thousand listens you were pretty damn hot i can tell you that right now and everybody knew everybody's here's a funny story i was on a plane going to the first podcast convention. Maybe it was 2006 in California, Ontario, California. And I'm on the plane because there's not many podcasts at the time. Okay. And I hear someone talking like three rows in front of me and I go, Scott, because you're hearing people's voices all the time. So you recognize these voices because you didn't have a lot to choose from in your genre. and it was a guy named scott fletcher he did a uh a podcast news thing and he and he i said scott

is that you and i'm like four rows behind him and he goes gary is that you and then some guy like five rows behind me goes hey is joe back here hey and so none of us had ever met but we knew our voice we were all going to the same conference we knew each other by our voice you know that's uh that's always one of like the weird things when i meet people at events or um or conferences they'll walk off to me like without knowing who i am just hearing my voice like are you marty ben like whoa yeah you know people listen to your voice really kind of get that down make a connection with you in that case they definitely the podcasting was really hard to do back then you know you had to create your own rss feed and put closed tags on i couldn't even

do it i had a guy that worked for me and i said hey i think we need to get into this podcasting i just read a clip about it he goes okay whatever and so a week later we were doing a podcast and we didn't know what the hell we were doing and then three months later we had a podcast directory that turned out to be one of the top directories you own the internet until until apple came out and it killed it and apple was much better you know i even switched to apple and quit using mine you know yeah um no it's crazy because i i listened to a lot of no agenda and adam curry yeah so do i i had lunch with adam like the last uh fall yeah really yeah yeah down in austin so did you guys know each other back in there because he's like known as one of the early podcasters

well he invented podcasting him and david uh weiner and basically invented podcasting yeah yeah i knew him matter of fact at that first conference we met each other in orlando at the first conference that uh i think we both were there he had a company called pod show that he was trying to work where i had podcast pickle you know going uh that was my podcast directory but adams i you know a lot of people take crazy thing about adam and maybe he is kind of crazy but i like him he's always been nice to me and uh he's he said several things that i think he's been able to foresee and come true you know when i talked to him he has i think 31 bitcoin someone gave him as a tip and i think i can say this because i knew it because he says it on the agenda you know back in

a day when it was 50 cents or a dollar someone gave him 30 something bitcoin as a tip and so we were eating dinner and he said i said have you cashed in because bitcoin was maybe 14 000 at the time or something said have you cashed in that bitcoin yet he goes no way i'm waiting that stuff's gonna be a million dollars but he did tell me i i when like for instance when facebook first came out that stock uh i was listening to a show because i used to listen to it all the time i don't have time now so long or show um but he said don't buy that facebook it's going to drop to 17 you know basically what he said and uh i said i was thinking about getting it i think i'll wait and see if he's right and he dropped to 1788 and i said well that's 17 something i'm buying

and uh you know so i mean he saved me a lot of money on that call he was right on that call yeah he's been writing about a lot of things he's uh he's a good thinker i love that show and i think he picked out the pope before the pope was announced that it would be that guy from south america really yeah yeah i think he said the pope's gonna be him it's because that's where they need to go and blah blah he had his reasoning so he picks out a few things i like adam adams we we had dinner we had a good time every time i've seen adam i've enjoyed his company yeah no he's uh he's on the list of wants for this podcast i'd love to have him on to talk about everything because he's he's into bitcoin too he sent he's received bitcoin from rodolfo

novak over radio waves oh i didn't i knew well he's into that uh into uh you know i invited him the last two years just because i thought he'd like to come you know i sent him a talk once a while and he's talking on skype skype that's something that seems to be a dying company huh hey the i'm a little ashamed that we're using zoom right now considering uh considering what they just the chinese communist party uh told them to censor some people and i think skype i think skype might make a turn a comeback as people turn away from zoom because of the censorship but no i agree that's kind of crazy but uh yeah i i like him and like i said i thought he would enjoy coming to podcast movement i mean to um bit block boom because i got he came to

podcast movement when we started it you know so i thought he would want to come so i mean it's only a couple of hours for him he's in off but maybe he'll come yeah adam if you're listening to this as somebody who's been to bit block boom twice now it is an incredible conference and there's a good good segue into the the subject of bit block boom like it the reasons i like it or love it and have had an incredible time uh the last two years despite the the midsummer texas heat uh the quality of the people that show up uh the focus of the content and the the small nature and very uh like you feel like you have the conference and then you go to dinners and you see everybody from the conference and it's just to get together to talk to people that that you really respect

and admire in the space yeah i i want to it's going to stay small you know um which it has its pros and its cons to me it's a better conference and like i said i'm 65 so i'm just doing what i like to do and i like the atmosphere having a small conference i just sold a big conference like i said that was 3 000 people at the podcast movement conference so i'm kind of out of that and i want to do a small conference so it'll stay small um my thing is i kind of want you know like last year i don't know if you remember when it was over i now say you got two weeks for the super discounted price and till july to cancel of next year if you can't make it so it's kind of a no lose deal i'd like to have it eventually be that when i announce that

i sell out you know and people go i'm getting my ticket because you know i might not be able to get You know, because we had a lot of people by last year when I announced that. So I'm hoping it gets better and better and people do that. So, but also, as far as the conference goes, you know, Saturday is really just the conference, the date you gave. But, you know, we ended up on Sunday with a brunch and we have Friday, we have a dinner that Pierre and Michael Bitstein put on, Pierre Richard from the Nakamoto Institute, Satoshi Nakamoto Institute. And we have the Citadel event. I think Matt O'Dell is going to do an event.

I haven't heard from him. And then Thursday, we have a dinner and we have Bitcoin and barbells. And I think we're going to get Brian Lockhart's going to do Bitcoin and Bullets again. And then we have building your own server on Friday. We have a lot of stuff going on. I eventually would like this to become like people start flying in Monday because there's so many satellite events that I'm not connected with. They're just, you know, coming in because we're all these people are going to be here

and they want to be involved. But it's like maybe things start on Saturday, I mean, Monday and Tuesday and Wednesday and Thursday and build up to Saturday. You know, it's like a Bitcoin week kind of thing is what I'd like to have eventually happen. Yeah, it's crazy how sort of organic these side events have happened. like jeff andrew with uh the bitcoin and barbells uh like you mentioned pierre and um michael with the barbecue the night before the nakamoto institute dinner the year before that it was a steak dinner right um and i believe safe had a carnivore dinner after saturday this year

actually wound up uh getting into a very long me and a group of people rockstar dev rodolfo um i forget who else was involved in that conversation with an oil baron i heard about that trying to trying to pitch bitcoin to him he was uh he was not convinced by the end of the night but uh he's uh very it's i mean the people you bought that's what i love about texas and dallas particularly because there's a lot of uh unique personalities down there uh people who just speak their mind and and texas is truly free and you were talking about the heat that could be a good thing you know for us you know with this year especially you know so it could be another plus for us um but it is hot and last year you know um michael goldstein and pierre chart have been

very supportive of the event since day one um and uh during their barbecue event last year i think they originally had it indoors but they sold out like in no time at all so they wanted to get a bigger space so they moved it at the ferris wheel which is outside and i think that's fine for people like me and pierre and michael and people from tax texas and areas but gosh i feel sorry for people like from europe that came and australia mean australia or from canada they're not like you could see i think if you went over by the fans i think you could almost maybe 90 of the people standing from fans were above the mason dixon no if you just dress appropriately i wore shorts and a t-shirt i felt fine yeah yeah well i felt

fine i mean i'm used to it though it's texas at night i mean you know it's nothing compared to the day i'll tell you what i'd take the texas heat to the uh south carolina humidity any day yes that that is i always agree with that when i first moved here it was over i think it was a record year they had over 100 degrees for 45 days or something they even had shirts i survived the texas record heat wave and i was walking around going this isn't that bad it's just hot right I mean, you know how it is in South Carolina. You take a shower, you get dressed, you're going to go to work. You open the door, and before you get to your car, you're soaking wet.

Yeah, you're drenched in sweat. Yeah, you're soaked. And my wife would just die. She goes, I don't know how you live here. I can't even get out of the shower and go in the bedroom and get dressed because I'm soaked, and it's not from the shower anymore. Yeah, and it gets so humid there. You have the palmetto bugs hiding in your bathroom.

You wake up to take a shower, and they're there waiting for you. Yeah. There's a lot of those things. That's for damn sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But BitBlockBoom is going to be fun this year. I'm really excited. Go ahead. I was going to say, why did you start BitBlockBoom? What drove you to start this conference particularly? Well, you know, I'm into doing stuff. I mean, and at the time I was doing the Crypto Cousins with Tony Sacalo was my partner when we first started the show. and um we wanted to do a conference and we weren't really i didn't even know what we were doing you

know i'd only been a bitcoin like two months you know crypto like two months when we started doing it but uh it just worked and i just wanted to do a conference it was just going to be a glorified meetup as to be honest with you but all of a sudden we started uh but we asked speakers we asked safe to come and we asked we were asking these pierre to come we were asking decent people to come and so other people outside started buying tickets i mean and then uh saturday we did the conference which you were at and it turned out to be an okay conference but sunday um we were at the brunch were you at the brunch on sunday that first time i can't remember the first year i did not make the brunch i had to jet home but this year i made

the brunch yeah we were there and we were talking i was talking to pierre i mean to safe safe in a moose and safe said to me he goes i think i can truly say this is the first bitcoin maximus conference i've been to in north america and we really didn't plan it to be a bitcoin maximus i guess our interest was just bitcoin so you know everybody we asked to come speak or did anything with bitcoin and i kind of like wow i didn't think about that so i kind of like said well that's going to be our our stick you know our thing is that's all i like anyway really so we i and then i just took it over myself uh tony had another conference he did and so he backed out and i i got a hold of the conference and made it a bitcoin maximus conference basically yeah no it's great i

mean again the content's focused it's not and it's not like a conference you go to to just blow smoke up each other's ass there's good content about uh things that are forward-looking and ideas that haven't really been explored in depth. The one thing I like is that you bring somebody from South... Who's the guy from... Is he from Argentina or a speaker who spoke both years about Bitcoin in Latin America? Oh, Felipe.

Oh, gee. I'm pronouncing his last name wrong. I always do. I believe, but it starts with an H. I can't speak Spanish. I can't even roll my tongue anyway. if i lived in if i lived in south america i would have a speech impediment yeah but but i would as well

but no he is matter of fact i just sent him an email this morning so he's a good guy we have a good crowd we you know we have um you know we may have a problem this year with um i can't think of names off the top of my head with um oh give me just a second here see i gotta this is terrible that i have to look this up who is um oh gosh i'm so embarrassed that i'm having to look at this i can't even think of the person oh uh stefan there you go i thought of stefan stefan lavera sent me a message the other day because he's coming in from australia and he sent me a message that he's concerned he's probably my most concerned person about getting here because they had just put made an announcement that they didn't plan on people being able to fly in or out of the country one

or the other until the end of september really yeah so that's the only one i really have a problem with at the moment but he's not like canceling he said that's just what they're saying they haven't cracked down on it because he wants to come yeah try to keep you abreast of the situation yeah he just wanted to give me a heads up I had funny I had someone call me you probably would know this person so I'm not and I'm not gonna say his name cuz it matter who it is old-time bitcoiner and he calls me last week goes hey I'm so-and-so and I didn't know him you know I don't know a lot of people who've been in this longer than

me but I meet him and get to know him and that's one of the reasons I like big block boom and he goes i was just wondering do you have any speaking slots left i'm going to the conference is like two months you think i'm just now lining up speakers i mean you know you don't think i have that oh yeah i guess that was kind of a stupid question you know and uh so the lining the lineup set yeah yeah yeah lineup set i mean it's um you know like i said i may have to change out one or two there may be someone else because i have people coming from canada i don't i would assume by end of august canada would be open up or i think with who's coming from canada they might just drive over the border catch a flight right yeah especially francis yeah that's

um so let's talk about like what are what the subjects we're going to be covering this summer i know matt and i were doing the live show and we've got the award show with that dirtbag al after well let's talk about let's talk about the the the uh evening first i guess because that's It's the only thing set in stone as far as what we're doing. Last year, I think BitBlockBoom got over with you guys ending it at 6 o'clock. Y'all started at 5. Yes. So this year, we'll end.

The last speaker will get through at 5. And it will take a break from 5 to, let's say, 6.30. People can go change clothes, take a shower, sit around, eat, whatever the heck they want to do. And at 6.30, we'll come in. And by the time they get there, the bars will be rolled in. two bars will be rolled in one on each side of the conference room and we'll have some hors d'oeuvres and stuff and we'll have from 6 30 to 7 it'll just be networking drinking talking and we're

really fortunate that this year our platinum sponsor is unchained capital so they've given us paid basically for the party for the party so some drinks will be and hors d'oeuvres will be sponsored and some drinks up to a certain amount will be sponsored and then but the bars will stay there and then you guys will have the stage to do whatever you're going to do from seven to eight and we'll stream this we're going to stream everything for free this year um so people can watch and then at eight we'll take another half an hour break for some networking or whatever people to get some drinks and i figured you guys drink on the show a lot so we might as well do some drinking during your live show right get the whole place drinking might as well might as well

I think you'll sound a lot better. It definitely leads to a more lively conversation. I can say that. And then at 8.30, Dirtbag Al will start the Al's Lacrosse Awards. And, you know, that'll be also streamed. And, you know, we're working with him to make up. Since I own a sporting goods store, I'm used to making plaques and trophies and stuff like that. so we're going to make those up for them here so we don't have to ship them over here and they'll

just be at the event for them and then when that's over then we'll hang out and have some more drinks sounds like a lovely day it does sound like a lovely day lovely way to end it and we'll start at like uh nine o'clock i guess or something because we want to roll in i don't have the day figured out yet um i'm uh i'm happy to hear that you're live streaming everything because last year uh people took brian bishop's uh um his his he he basically what's he do i forget the word he wrote down bitstein's speech and posted that to the internet and people without actually actually having seen the uh his speech on on memeing bitcoin went pretty crazy it started a lot of controversy so yes i remember saturday sunday at the brunch bitstein is like hey we need

to get that out there and i said okay we'll have it out there and i think we got it out tuesday because i had to edit it and do it you know wasn't done on the fly wasn't done to go out live um so this year and i kind of feel like we need to i kind of feel like michael has gained the honor of he should kick us off saturday you know and get us started on the right track you know after last year i mean i mean well it depends what time it starts because Because people slowly roll in if it starts at like 9 a.m., 10 a.m. That's true, too. So I didn't want to put someone else on the first one and give him an hour or two to give everybody an hour or two to roll in there.

Yeah. I mean, his topic and the content of his presentation was actually very valuable. And this year we have two tracks, which we only had one last year. we have uh like the first we're all being you know that room's a pretty good size room with the stage you know so that'll be the general track or general session room and i think we'll all start in there for the first two or three and then break out and the tech track will be going on right next door so if you're more interested in the tech speakers like michael schmidt or pierre is going to be on the tech track you can just go next door for that and then the last two will be

back in the main room so everybody will be together again so trying to get a little big and then thursday night we have a dinner which all the speakers are invited to um so you're invited but you know i was talking to pierre last year and his wife and they were like yeah we got here thursday night for saturday events and we just went out to eat by ourselves we'd like to have some place to go you know and talk to some bitcoiners so i've done a dinner that sold out already um so but all like i said all the speakers get to come and then so it's a smaller dinner it's only like 75 people that'll be fun yeah um it's uh i'm very excited for this again i've been twice now and it has never disappointed the that's the thing like the after the conference

is done people are hanging out in the hotel lobby till late at night um the hotel bar if they keep it open i think because it's small you know like it is and that it's uh bitcoin only it's not like crypto which i'm not saying that to knock anyone's whatever they want to like that's up to them i don't care but because they all are one subject based there's a lot of people to talk about the same conversation it doesn't divide up into little groups or clicks because they're all in the same click no i agree and people aren't in a hurry to get out it's not like they're you know also when you go to a bigger event that has let's say um a thousand people like uh bitcoin 2020 which might have two thousand i'm not knocking that event either because i like that event but when you're

getting off stage if you're someone who is kind of uh seen as being in the limelight you have a lot of people coming up talking to you at one time and it's like you know you really can't stand there forever talking you know because you have a lot of people that want to talk to you so maybe with also being a smaller crowd you're more apt to hang out and talk longer you know yeah and i think i think um yeah the the setting and the atmosphere is just is it's just perfect because again the amount of it's like a dumb bars number type thing it's so small that you can actually have quality conversations with people and not get distracted by a million things going on at once and then again the content is on point and uh actually very interesting you know i get a lot of people

who i talk to um that'll say things like oh my gosh i was just standing there minding my business and i looked over there and there was marty and safe dean and pierre and i went over and talked to him and we talked for like half an hour and i was in the conversation like that's like they weren't expecting to be able to talk to these people who in a sense you know you're celebrities people who do podcasts and do videos I mean you know it's not that we think of ourselves as celebrities and I'm not saying we really are celebrities but you have that tendency for people who listen to you to have that effect of being someone they know and they feel comfortable with and they know who you are and they want to talk to you because they listen to you every week or

they watch you every week and they want to meet you you know and it's an opportunity when they can you know and you're not in a rush to get out of there so i think that's been a positive no i mean yes i do not consider myself a celebrity at all i understand and uh no but i i had that experience this is the beauty of bitcoin really like i had that experience myself going to bit devs meetups for the first time in new york like being there like people i'd only seen and read uh online like peter todd uh john newberry uh matt corallo uh the developers particularly and like i was shocked that i was able to get into this event and actually speak to them and they would respond to me and yeah and that's the same effect you know that people have you know yeah

and i doubt they consider themselves celebrities but at that moment in your life to you they were kind of a celebrity you know yeah yeah no i've told my peter todd story on this podcast a couple times it was pretty brutal the first time i uh tried to interact with him oh i don't know this story so we were in union square new york and across union square there's uh a huge clock that has something like 20 digits it counts down to like the whatever like the trillisecond or something like that um and it was 7 30 in army time so it was like 1930 on the clock and the national debt was around 19.5 trillion at the time too and i just moved to new york and uh assumed that that time clock was a national debt clock and so like to try to break the ice with peter todd i looked

at him i was like hey uh how prescient is this we're here at a bitcoin meetup and there's a national debt clock across the way and he was like that is a time clock and i was like that's funny you know one of the when i when i first got into bitcoin i'd been into bitcoin less than a month and they had a conference in austin the texas state bitcoin conference which was the texas state bitcoin conference in name only um i guess they had that domain name so it was going to be the texas bitcoin conference whether there was any bitcoin speakers there or and i met drew uh i'm not sure pronouncing his last name is it bonzo with the unnamed capital drew bonzo yes and he was like and i went down there talked him into letting me in as the press

and took my video camera and i knew nothing i really knew nothing i didn't understand how bitcoin worked i didn't understand anything and drew's like i met drew and he goes well what are you filming i said well i don't know anything he goes what do you mean that's i know nothing i just wanted to come out here and learn bitcoin and i got a press ticket and i wanted to get interviews because i'm going to start a podcast and he goes well cool i appreciate your honesty and uh he was like really nice and helping me out you know saying hey this is so and so over here and stuff and i still remember that to this day how helpful he was this guy with his old fart he probably thought he got his old geezer over here he probably thought but how helpful he was to me

and how he wasn't uh judgmental that here i am at this conference and i know nothing about bitcoin I don't think I understood how blockchain worked you know yet yeah Dhruv is a legend I love Dhruv he's been on this show many times and he's one of the great minds in this space his stuff on HODL waves and

what they're doing in Unchained is incredible well he's speaking on the tech track you know at along with you know Parker you know is also speaking but he's speaking on the general track so Parker and Lewis so we you know we got a good lineup this year but you know the thing is you know i do this lineup

you know way ahead of time i'm not like i'm i work on this conference all year i mean it's not like i just blow it together the last few weeks before it starts and that's i think you know there were glitches last year but i don't think anyone noticed them but i did um but yeah it's not like we just throw this together at the last minute we've been working on this since the last one ended yeah yeah um no and i mean i didn't notice any glitches last year matt and i love being a part of it monitored that that you would think to to include us on the track and the live episodes that we do are always some of the best and some of the most fun well i don't i don't know how i came up with this year having everybody at the drinking while yours was going on it seems like

a natural thought now you know now that it's out there and then when alice lacrosse contacted me I was like, he was going to do it at some bar or somewhere. I was like, dude, I've got that room. Well, I thought I had the room till 11 o'clock and I had it till I went yesterday to meet with him. I had it till six. That kind of screws up all my plans, man. We got to work on this.

So I had to do some more negotiations to get, uh, to keep it, uh, till that time. I don't know why I was thinking in my mind that so much later, um, but yeah, everything's cool now. So we got it all set up. Because I think when they heard that there was more liquor being bought involved, they were happy to give me room. Yeah, that'll always hook in the event staff. Yeah, because I'm sure I sent them a message today.

I said, how much are the drinks there by chance? You know, if you order them, because they're going to be different ordering them off the cart being rolled in than they are in the bar. Yeah, because they charge like 20% gratuity on everything or tax or whatever, you know, right off the bat. And then everybody's leaving tips. you know technically no one should leave them a tip i'm already given 20 of the whole bill

is gratuity so but whatever doesn't bother me i mean no and uh no so i'm looking forward to the event where can we find out more about it like our tickets sold out yet no no they are for anything to do with the dinner if they go to bitblockboom.com they can find out there there's several pages on there but if they use the code um what is it rhr i have a whole recap they get 30 off yeah rhr i believe yeah rhr they get 30 off the price of the ticket but we're gonna like i said we'll be sold out by the time it happens so they shouldn't be you know messing around because it will sell out and i'm pretty strict on it last year i was pretty strict when i get a limit i get a limit you know i'm not like a whore going i can get 10 more people in there

you know what is uh what's the limit this year uh 300 you know nice i think that may stay the limit that may be the permanent limit yeah i like that yeah i think if i get much bigger than that it just is not going to be as much fun for me it's going to be a lot more work and two tracks like i said i thought we'd try a second track this year because last year you know we would have someone talking and everybody be enjoying it and then for instance uh mike schmidt got up there and talked and half the audience is like what in the hell is he talking about you know Because it's so funny. He goes, see this mathematical formula?

And he's showing a formula on the screens. He's going, you know what that means? I don't know what it means. He was talking about, wasn't he talking about Taproot or Schnoor? I think it was Schnoor maybe. Yeah, but he was like showing mathematical formulas. And half the audience, so I thought we needed to like, I thought that was an important part.

So I thought we needed to move it up. What I'd like to do next year, and if anyone who can help me with this is listening, I would like to next year try to have, you know, From what I understand, Bitcoin Core, they have meetings throughout the year. It's at different places. Incorporate that in one of the days before the event as part of it, that the Bitcoin Core people are coming to have their in-person meetings that they have.

Yeah, some Core members do an in-person meeting, I think, once a year. But the BitDevs meetups, which are not necessarily even run by Core developers, but just enthusiasts, the Socratic seminars, that would be a good idea to have a Socratic seminar. Yeah, see. maybe like the thursday before before dinner or something like that yeah i agree completely i want to get more things i wasn't even familiar with that and maybe that's what i was thinking of even and i said the wrong thing you know yeah no i think the socratic debt seminars are pretty there's one in austin i think there might be one in dallas too unchained hosts the one in dallas

or austin excuse me um yeah i'm happy to have unchained involved with it this year um i'm real happy because that's the reason we can do the night event you know it's because them being involved so that's basically being all thrown and probably into the event yeah yeah they they got a great team it'll put uh put out some great content i'm actually i have parker's latest gradually then suddenly blog post tabbed up here to read after after we're done recording on the beach he's a smart guy he really is he's a nice guy too very very nice guy i um yeah yeah everything's going great though yeah i'm really excited to be on the show i'm excited to see everybody i'm excited i hope people take advantage of the discount i hope people come i hope a lot

of things you know one thing that's kind of harder about doing this conference than some other conferences i think is because of the fact i'm really hardcore on who can be involved even as sponsorships goes i've had to turn down almost everybody who's wanted to sponsor it because they're always shit coiners or people who you know think there's a lot of bitcoiners they can come take advantage of and turn it into a shit coin convention you know and you know there is no boss marketing company for bitcoin to get to sponsor it you know where there would be if i was a bitcoin cash convention i'm sure i could get a bunch of money from roger veer so that makes it harder to a degree you know i know that struggle i know that struggle um but no it is that's another

Another thing I love about it is you're principled. The content is very focused on Bitcoin, which is what I'm looking to get out of a conference. Like in New York, some of the conferences that come through there, there's just two all over the place that I just like to hang out outside the conference and meet with Bitcoiners when they're done networking inside the confines of the conference of the week. My wife always gives me a hard time when I come home from conferences because I never really spend a lot of time in the conference room, personally, I feel I can watch all that stuff on video later. I spend all my time when I go to a conference in like the hallways, I call

it. You know, networking in the hallways, talking to people, going to the events at night. I do much better and learn much more information, I feel, or information I want from networking with that crowd than i do sitting in a chair all day taking notes it's just what works for me though no yeah i agree i agree um but don't sell yourself short i do actually like the presentations at pit block boom but i try to have good people i mean if you're if you want presentations i try to have good people there yeah so i'm not saying i don't have great presenters by any means i think i have some of the best i'm just saying that's not how i learn i think but then again no hell i don't know being a boomer i don't know if i remember anything anymore anyway that's a good

excuse me i try to use that boomer card as an excuse whenever i can what's it like being a boomer bitcoiner um you're running nodes you're you're on lightning what's that been like uh well you know it's um some things are harder to work with like matt helped me on setting up my node um being sweet we actually talked on the phone that thing can but some things don't uh i've you know i've been on the net a long time you know i started my first e-commerce site in 96 so it's not like i've just done this but i can't code and a lot of things i'm doing for the first time with working with this you know so as far as setting up notes and stuff it was kind of but i i set up a nine start nine are you familiar with those no it's that

it's a raspberry pi uh mini surfer that you can spin up and it has a full copy of the blockchain on it has a wallet on it it runs tor and it has an app that comes to your iphone or android phone that you can run everything with the app i met them at tones conference in vegas um and he's speaking matt is uh with them or speaking matt hill at the on the tech track but it's like the easiest thing i've ever set up out of every out of the casa out of the huddle i mean out of everything i just actually plugged it in downloaded the app on my phone put in the serial number for the start nine server and in like a minute i was in business and then i've downloaded they have a a tour communication app on there called c cups i think it's called

cups i can look at the server i've got a full copy of that of bitcoin i pruned the copy and uh it was the easiest buy i'm interviewing him monday for crypto cousin show because i want to find out it looks like it is a really good tool you know so yeah yeah if you haven't seen start nine you ought to look at that i when i saw it i just bought one just to screw around with it yeah i gotta i gotta look into it i haven't heard of that yet yeah you know i like it a lot yeah excited just i'll definitely go to that presentation at bit block boom

yeah i've met a lot of people you know through bit block boom though and that's what's been good for me as a boomer i just like meeting people and associating with people and getting to know new stuff but you know we're starting a tv show that you probably don't know that there's a there's a tv network called biz talk tv network and they have i think 80 channels that are affiliates across the country they're in charleston south carolina dallas houston all the major cities and um i think next thursday we record the first episode for the Bitcoin Boomer Show. Hell yeah.

Who's on it with you? It's just me. And I'll bring people on kind of like I do the crypto, kind of like you do. But, you know, they have like a cameraman there that does all the work.

I just show up in the studio and say, here's who we're bringing on. And, you know, he does all the rest. Well, let me know if you ever need a guest to come on. Oh, yeah.

I'm definitely planning on bringing you on. That's for damn sure. Hell yeah. Yeah, I definitely plan on bringing you on. I think we do 13 episodes of first season. so yeah you'll be getting a call from me real soon i love that um that's a good way to get get to people to tv um well i figure most boomers watch tv i don't consider myself the normal boomer i am a boomer but i don't consider myself the normal boomer the normal boomers are the people

i hang out with who i get really bored real quick because they just want to talk about hanging out at their house or playing golf you know which golf's fine but i don't have time for that you know the normie boomers the normers so i'm kind of hoping that maybe the norm or the station believes that on the network or whatever you want to call it believes that uh their target market is uh boomers that have money you know and older people that have money and they felt like this would be a great show for their boomer population that they could sell you know so hell yeah well i'm very excited to see what that's like i can't wait to see yeah it'd be It's nice just to walk in the studio and just do my shtick

and get out of there and leave. Yeah. That'll – yeah, let me know when that drops. I want to look into that. Yeah, I will. I'll let you know the local channel because it's on air. It's not a cable channel. It's an on-air channel.

So I don't know how that works, but I know a lot of people have dropped cable and have antennas now, so I don't know if that's good or bad. But I know they're in 80-something markets. You know, they have 80-something affiliates running the show. Hey, any way you can shield Bitcoin. Yeah, that's a good way. It can't hurt.

and I just it's five minutes from here and I drive over there for an hour and I can talk you know so yeah it's not bad at all Gary it's been a pleasure I'm very excited for BitBlockBoom I can't wait to to get back to Dallas I think it'll probably be the first traveling I do out since gosh I don't even remember when you know we're trying to find a sponsor for masks I think those would make a great collector's piece for BitBlockBoom you know BitBlockBoom masks sponsored by yeah if um anyone wants to sponsor those call me go to pitblockboom.com at gary leland on twitter yeah yeah that's right is there um is there anything else you want to get out to the freaks there before we wrap up here let me look real quick

uh i think that you know um can we give away a free ticket yeah we certainly can how can we do that what do we do let's have a contest of some kind that i can check uh and give them a ticket free ticket for listing do you have do you have a trivia question that you can ask off the top of your head somebody can dm me the answer um a trivia question i'm sure i have a lot of trivia questions but now that you've asked me that makes it kind of hard marty now that you've asked me to come up with a trivia question and i I don't want people to follow me and do that crap, you know, to win it. No, I don't want that either.

I'm not into that. Okay. Why don't you think of a trivia question, and I'll post it at the end of the episode before I post it to the post-it next week. That sounds good. So that makes sure everybody listens to the whole episode to get to the trivia question. That sounds good. That sounds good.

Yeah, because I should be able to think of one. but I can't. You know what I do want to know, though? I'd like to know when... Oh, this could be the question. The first person to send me a message that says the exact date of when the first time

anyone ever saw anything about Bitcoin. The first time Satoshi posted anything would be the first time. That'd be the VoIP paper, right? Yeah, what day was it posted? in that trivia question yeah it's a good one yeah so what day was that posted what exactly what day was that when they when what would that be the first time or would it be was there like maybe a post earlier that said hey i'm working on this thing called bitcoin well is it public posting or

private emails no public posting first time people saw something about bitcoin all right you've got the trivia question freaks anybody looking for a free ticket to bit block boom and you just uh tag at gary leland and uh at the tag at bit block boom don't even tag me tag at yeah respond uh respond to the tweet that this this podcast was announced on yeah that sounds good yeah it sounds good and i will uh first person to get it is that what i should do or should i do like a drawing out of the winners the out of the people get it right or what should i do uh how do we want to do that i think i'm it's it's your giveaway but i'm easy i i like i like first i don't know how to do like the randomized stuff on twitter i don't either i don't want to

learn that either yeah unless i were like you would have to write the names on paper put them in a hat and then you have to then you have to have the contestants trust that you're doing it yeah yeah and they can't they can't verify exactly so first may be the best way that sounds like a good plan to me so that would be the contest is you know because i have something i want to that's a good information there makes them do a little research because nobody knows that off the top of their head i might do you really you know that off the top of your head yeah i'm not going to say it now because i will answer the question and repeat the purpose well i have no idea when it is yeah uh should we make it harder let's make it harder for the freaks okay

the exact date and time UTC time down to the second that sounds good now I gotta find this so I can check it and see who won I'll send it to you because I have no idea I've never needed that piece of information

I know exactly where I was when this stuff happened so that's the clue you get one free general admission ticket to BitBlock well get on it freaks Gary thank you for coming on It's been a pleasure learning about your history, learning that you're from Charleston, you're a surfer, uh, free spirit,

really admire your, uh, your approach to life. Like you were saying before we hit record too, that things just work out and have that mentality if you're a good person. Yeah. I don't worry about anything. Everything works out. It always does. 65 and everything's worked out. I don't think it's all going to go to hell my last 15 years of life. You know? Yeah. That's how I look at it. I'm on a downstroke now. You know, you got more than 15 in you, Gary.

I mean, I got 20, you know, there's a certain point you just start drooling and stuff probably and you have a drool cup you carry with you and no one wants to talk to you because you're filling your drool cup up well here's to uh pushing off the drool cup as long as possible all right gary um enjoy the rest of your friday thanks enjoyed it that's all we got this week freaks peace and love