TFTC: A Bitcoin Podcast - #183: Whitney Webb

Episode Date: July 29, 2020

Join Marty as he sits down with Whitney Webb to discuss: - Epstein + Deutschebank - The history of Kroll Associates - The global intelligence community - Private intelligence companies - The blending of the State + Big Tech - Human trafficking - NGOs as a front for trafficking - The 2020 Election and potential shenanigans - 9/11 - Why Whitney covers these stories - much more Follow Whitney on Twitter Check out Whitney's Patreon Check out Unlimited Hangout Shoutout to this week's sponsors. Cash App. Start #stackingsats today. Use the promo code: "stackingsats" to receive $10 and contribute $10 to OWLS Lacrosse when you download the app.

Sup freaks, it's your boy Marty Bent here to introduce this episode of Tales from the Crypt. A little off the beaten path this episode, I had the pleasure, the immense pleasure of sitting down with Whitney Webb, who is a journalist I've been admiring for some time now. She dives into subjects that are taboo, particularly involving the intelligence apparatus that exists throughout the world. uh the jeffrey epstein scandal uh the the attempts to bring uh digital panopticon to the u.s and a bunch of other touchy subjects we had an incredible conversation i think you guys are really going to like it and i really just want to repeat and drive home this message that you freaks have more power than you know there's very few amount of people out there in positions of power evil people in

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bitcoin wins in the world of fiat currencies bitcoin is the victor i mean that's part of the bull case for bitcoin if you're not paying attention you probably should be what is up freaks welcome back to tales from the crypt it's your boy marty bent here on a hot afternoon on the back deck studio uh very excited for this episode sitting down speaking with somebody who i think is one of less than a handful of journalists out there in the truth to power, and diving into subjects and storylines that the mainstream media stays away from, and I think we're going to get into some pretty heavy topics here. It'll be Bitcoin Lite this episode, we'll talk about Bitcoin potentially towards the

end, but what I really want to focus on in this episode is the Jeffrey Epstein saga and everything that's unwound since his death, and sort of try to get at the question is Is this all connected with an elite cabal attempting to rule the world? So I'd like to introduce you freaks to Whitney Webb. Whitney, welcome to the podcast. Hey, it's great to be here. Thanks. Well, thank you for taking some time to do this. I've been reading your work for quite some time.

I've listened to your episodes on Quoth the Raven and the Tim Dillon podcast and really love the content. If you freaks have not heard Whitney on those two podcasts particularly, I think you should definitely go check those episodes out. And I really don't want to try to rehash those conversations. So I think too much of those conversations, of course, will have some overlap. But I think for this conversation particularly, it would be advantageous to start with a contemporary story, which is last week, the attempted assassination of Judge Esther Salas. And so a FedEx driver showed up to our house, killed her son, and critically injured her husband.

And she had been assigned to a class action lawsuit against Deutsche Bank, which involved some transactions that Jeffrey Epstein made that sort of eluded AML compliance. And so I think this is a good place to start in res media to get into the whole Epstein saga and the intimidation that's going on with this case particularly. Right. So what's interesting about that particular event is we can get more into this later. I think a lot of it doesn't. It goes way beyond Epstein and goes to Deutsche Bank itself, which has its hands in a lot of very criminal pies, I guess you could say. And also the fact that a lot of people have speculated, you know, I would argue evidence-based speculation anyway, for years that Deutsche Bank is essentially bankrupt. And so any sort of scrutiny of its finances in court could lead to a revelation that they are, in fact, bankrupt, you know, which could have major, you know, implications for the global financial system, potentially lead to, you know, that bank collapsing, which because of how just messed up the global, you know, economy is and what a joke it is, you know, could lead to the collapse of multiple banks, sort of something on a bigger scale of what

happened in 2008. So I think that's something to consider here also, that it may be beyond Epstein. But also if you look at something like the Epstein scandal, you have a situation where numerous powerful people don't want things to come out about their relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. And I think it's no coincidence that the most underreported aspect of that case is not – are his financial ties to various people. you look at his black book for instance his contacts a lot of names that come up there

are major hedge fund managers um you know like leon black of apollo management and people like that you know who haven't really gotten a lot of scrutiny for their epstein ties relative to uh you know public figures maybe celebrities politicians things like that right so there's been a a lot of under reporting about jeffrey epstein's financial ties to people and what's What's worth pointing out is that in the sexual blackmail operation that he was doing with Ghislaine Maxwell, before and after that and during that, Epstein was involved in financial criminal activity, including money laundering, the manipulation of currency, things like that based on what we know about that.

He was involved with a lot of shady financial activities, specifically in the 1980s, involving people that were pretty intimately involved in the Iran-Contra scandal. So I think it's really possible that a lot of – I mean, that obviously appears to be like intelligence-related financial activity or financial criminal activity. So the extreme scrutiny of Epstein's finances in any capacity is likely to air out a lot of dirty laundry for those people as well. So I think this is a fundamentally different situation than, say, information coming about who Epstein caught on video with minors and things like that.

This is, you know, a case that could potentially air out a lot of criminal financial activity that very powerful people don't want coming out, and the fact that the media has drastically under-covered that and covering the whole Epstein situation I think really shows that they don't really want cases like this to go forward. And another thing to keep in mind about this case is that it wasn't technically supposed to happen, right? right before this class action lawsuit was filed, the New York State Department of Finance settled with Deutsche Bank over this exact issue regarding Jeffrey Epstein and ordered

them to pay, I think it was a $150 million fine, but I can't remember the exact amount right now. But what happened is that certain investors of Deutsche Bank didn't think that was going far enough, and so they basically said – you know, they basically decided to file a class action lawsuit to get, you know, basically punished, get Deutsche Bank punished to a greater extent than just that fine. And that is the case that Esther Salas was assigned to about four, I think it was four or five days before the really tragic shooting at her home. Yeah. And the weird thing about this shooting in the media particular is that they immediately tried to cover it up and say that the husband was a target specifically, and they weren't

trying to intimidate her and then you came out with a piece that tied the hitman who wound up dead uh to an association called the Kroll Associates and they have some some weird history and and loose ties to the CIA as well um be interested to jump into that particularly as well right sure so um the the official narrative right that's come out is this guy was like a man's right activist and he hates women but you know that doesn't really explain why he'd target the two men in the house of esther salas and not the woman right and you know um the guy had a history of being kind of publicity hungry so it's kind of weird that he would go on a shooting rampage and release like no manifesto or video or whatever like a lot of other publicity hungry

shooters in the u.s have done in the past right he just kind of you know appears he's he's the suspect and he's found dead uh from a like like gunshot wound to the head right so i mean the whole thing's really suspect so we don't really know you know what's going on um i'm we still don't and i don't really like trust the fbi to investigate this type of thing because what the fbi does in these in these uh you know sensitive cases is they just cover things up historically right including the epstein case which they knew about um you know in the mid 90s and did nothing about until you know for whatever reason it came out you know um you know more recently like they waited till 2019 to arrest him or whatever right so um going back into this guy's history though

and the the roy den hollander hollander alleged shooter guy um what's really odd is his affiliation with kroll associates but not just kroll associates but what he was doing there before So basically his activity for Kroll Associates was based in Russia, and prior to joining Kroll Associates at their Moscow branch, he was involved in activity with the Russian Government that also involved Kroll Associates individuals before he was officially working at Kroll that involved what went on after the collapse of the Soviet Union, where basically a lot of Western political and economic forces were attempting to create a new Russian oligarchy class that would be friendly to the west you know basically um you know uh you know creating

the the economic system in russia more or less as it exists today a lot of people the cia was really involved in that so we're a lot of wall street big time guys you know you had people like larry summers for example being really involved in that activity who later of course gets close to people like epstein and has you know an interesting history himself so that's Basically, what he was doing, the St. Hollander guy was involved in that beginning in the early 90s. He was a lawyer in that area. And he formally joins Kroll Associates in 1999. And then he's, you know, basically delivering and managing the delivery of intelligence for Kroll in Russia during that period of time,

which notably also had, during the period of time where he was in charge of Kroll Associates, there was this issue in in Chechnya where there was um you know a group that was doing you know extradition judicial murders and kidnappings that was alleged to be CIA backed so it's interesting that he was you know in charge of that branch during that time but anyway so why does this matter who is Kroll Associates so Kroll Associates was created in the early 70s by this guy named Jules Kroll um who is a really shady dude in my humble opinion he basically invented um what today is like you know private and private intelligence corporate intelligence um and ended up you know the success of his firm ended up inspiring other groups to make similar

firms for example black cube um if people have heard of that was created with the intention of being the kroll uh associates of israel right so um basically what kroll and associates is known for is that it hires a lot of ex-intelligence people in the U.S., mainly from the CIA. They also hire from the FBI, former top police commissioners or law enforcement figures. They also hire a lot of people from British and Israeli intelligence, specifically MI6 and Mossad. So they're basically full of ex-spooks, but when you are a private intelligence firm, You can get away with things that private intelligence firms can't just because of the

– you're in the private sector, not in the public sector, so there's certain rules that don't apply in the private sector that apply in the public sector, though of course I would argue that the public sector intelligence agencies just ignore rules anyway, so it doesn't really matter. But anyway, in terms of if there was ever to be a lawsuit or any investigation or anything like that, they can legally get away with more. So, and they also, you know, they're not bound to the loyalty of a particular state, technically, right? They can, you know, just serve whoever pays them the most money, right?

So that's another added factor there. So basically what Kroll did, its rise to prominence, they did a lot of work for governments, but they're also known as like the CIA of Wall Street because they did a lot of, you know, private intelligence, I guess you could say, activity for big banks, Wall Street firms. And then in the early 90s, when this guy, Den Hollander, was a lawyer and involved in this, they were hired by the Russian government to do some private business intelligence. Yeah, and it's the loose associations between all these people who flow in and out of these stories, whether it be Larry Summers, Alan Dershowitz, Henry Kissinger, Bill Gates. I mean, all these people have been at one time or another photographed with Jeffrey Epstein or included in his little black book and his flight logs. It's just extremely weird, the aura around this whole saga and the case.

Like you were writing or tweeting earlier this week about the intimidation by Alan Dershowitz on Maria Farmer. Yeah, he's a real piece of work, isn't he? He's a real piece of shit. But if you watch that, I mean, if you watch that Netflix Jeffrey Epstein documentary, he just seemed like he was apologizing or just trying to defend him the whole time throughout that interview series. And like, why do you think these people are intimidating witnesses and attempting to make it so cases don't make it to the court? And you also wrote about, or I saw you tweeting about the fact that in the early 2000 cases that Jeffrey Epstein was involved in, he actually broke a court order by attending the trial and sort of intimidating one of the witnesses who wound up not getting on the stand as well. Well, I haven't really reported much on his court cases, right? So I don't know if, I don't think I wrote about that specifically.

But, I mean, there is, like, a history of witness intimidation, specifically around the first trial. I mean, you had Alan Dershowitz hire someone like a former FBI director, Louis Freeh, you know, to go around and, like, harass Epstein victims. I imagine having a former FBI director show up at your door. you know I mean that's pretty that's pretty high-level intimidation tactics I would argue also it's worth pointing out that Louis Freeh is the was FBI director at the time that even though Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell reported the FBI in 1986 by Maria Farmer that got totally you know memory hold within within the bureau right and Louis Freeh was director during that time. And then he also gets brought into that whole, um, uh, sexual abuse controversy at, I think it was Penn state, like the coach Sandusky guy. Yeah. He's also the guy that was brought into quote unquote, investigate that and found like no wrongdoing of anyone that was

living anyway. Right. So, I mean, we definitely are dealing with a large amount of insane corruption and, you know, these are the kinds of tactics they use against, um, you know, the women that were abused and exploited by this guy um to keep them from you know shedding light on what was going on um and you know it has the full complicity of the fbi and um you know intelligence agencies and a lot of other major factions of the u.s government which is scary it's i mean why what are what are they trying to withhold from the public or stop from getting to the public and and so i guess is a lot that's what i would say yeah i mean it's not just about sexual blackmail or sex trafficking right i mean intelligence agencies and like our government the

u.s government right and most other governments are involved in just a ridiculous mind-boggling amount of criminal activity um and i think if regular people you know knew what was really going on uh they would i would assume they would freak out but you know these days i don't really know because you know you have some crazy shocking story uh come up these days and everyone's like huh you know so um but yeah i mean there's just a ton of uh insane activity that goes on behind closed doors that they don't want coming out because it's like it's all business but they're like criminal rackets right and they don't want anyone um you know getting in on on you know their moneyed interests whatever that is and a lot of those are managed by um you know intelligence

assets or you know intelligence agencies whether it's like the drug trade for example or uh not just uh sex trafficking like what came up in the epstein case right but arms trafficking other types of human traffic trafficking like forced labor trafficking the u.s military is one of the biggest traffickers of forced laborers uh in the world right and but that never really gets a lot of attention but it's true how are how are they trafficking human labors so well it's mainly through contractors and subcontractors of the defense department that have been found doing that for like you know numerous uh on numerous occasions for decades and never really get in a lot of trouble they confiscate people's passports they go to places like the philippines or you know

other countries um like that and they recruit people to work on u.s bases and then the subcontractors when the person gets to the base they like confiscate their passports you know they don't uh they don't they basically enslaved them there was actually um a scandal well it didn't really become a scandal but it was reported on last year about dyncor doing that to actually american citizens um that were going to the middle east to work as translators they took their their passports uh forcing to live in like these tent cities without bathrooms stuff like that you think that would have made like a blip on on the news but not really because DynCorp is you know it's a major defense contractor but also the guy that owns it

is a guy named Steven Feinberg who's a major hedge fund manager and he's also head of the president's intelligence advisory board and he was he's on the short list to be a subsequent CIA director the next director of national intelligence lovely lovely great guy people were up in arms when this stuff was going on in Qatar when they were building the stadiums for for the world cup uh there was there were stories of of migrants moving there to help build these stadiums out and their passports getting taken and people were pretty pissed off about that just the first time i'm hearing of this right well i mean it happens i mean a lot of countries do it qatar definitely does it the saudis do it to a big extent also um but for example you know going back to epstein

right i mean several epstein victims talked about how um he had all these uh maids from the Philippines or, you know, domestic workers from the Philippines, some of those, you know, maids had told, you know, these young women that they were stolen and that's why they were there. Yeah. It's pretty disgusting. And today's story that you just dropped on iRespond, which talked about ID 2020 and sort of plans that are being tested out in Myanmar, correct? where refugees are being tested with, are going to be the pilots of this sort of identification and it sounds like a vaccine passport program as well.

And somebody who's involved with that, Eric Rasmussen has formerly been accused of being involved with trafficking as well. Yeah, so that whole thing, well, it's not just that they're piloting it on refugees. they actually have been piloting biometric ID programs on behalf of the ID2020 Alliance since 2018 is when that started. What they're doing now is they're expanding it to newborns that are born in hospitals. So before it was allegedly, quote unquote, voluntary participation for adults in

these refugee camps. Now it is, you know, from womb to grave, essentially. As soon as a baby is born they're going to get their like irises scanned and be part of this biometric id program that of course um they basically uh try and make it i mean the pr about um these types of programs specifically as it relates to refugees is just really um irritating and um a lot of it has to do with like they like to use buzzwords that people have heard about but most people don't understand of course on your podcast it's a little different right but they like to talk about blockchain and how it's going to be you know what it's revolutionary and you know and drop all these you know buzzwords like oh it's going to protect privacy and they're going to have control over

their data and all this stuff right um but actually they they admit right they're like well you know we could give them fine-grained control over their data but we haven't done it yet we'll eventually do it and you know and stuff like that and what a lot of it has to do with is It's iRespond is doing this biometric ID system, but they're partnering with a group called the International Rescue Committee that basically offers food and essential services in these really destitute camps. But now in order to access those services, you have to participate in the biometric ID thing. So, like, if you want to eat or you want access to, like, clean water, you have to sign up to this program and, you know, get your iris scanned or whatever whenever you want to access that particular service. They're also linking it to, like, cash assistance for refugees, but you can't access that monetary, those cash benefits unless you sign up for the program because they're only accessible through this blockchain power system, right? So it's essentially dangling a carrot on a stick in front of these people to get them to participate in this big technocratic experiment without, you know, there's no informed consent.

And I think it's particularly worth pointing out that, you know, why would, you know, if you know who these people are, I respond in the IRC, you probably wouldn't want to give your data to them when you know, like, who backs them, who they're associated with, and the track record of the people who work there, right? It's not just like these are, you know, great hunky-dory charities that want to like help the world's poor. I mean, they have a very interesting backers and advisors and presidents, a lot of very shady histories of abusing refugees, including children, like sexual abuse of children, widespread fraud, basically forcing families to choose between eating and letting one of their quote-unquote aid workers sexually exploit one of their children. I mean, it's just ridiculous, right? So these are the types of charities that are going to be piloting this program, and you think it would, you know,

get some sort of attention, too, that, like, this is, you know, they're claiming they're helping these refugees, but what are they really doing? If it was about, you know, helping them and protecting their privacy, why did they choose these two groups to execute this program?

Yeah, there's some weird... like facade if you're an official like ngo or charity that people just assume off the bat that you have good intentions but if people if you're paying attention to these organizations a lot of them are pretty nefarious well there's a ton of these so-called like child-focused ngos that are super shady and when it came out that the international rescue committee was involved these sex for food scandals and sexual abuse and fraud and all of that they were one of 40 charities that were caught doing that and no prosecutions were made they like allegedly fired some people in different organizations right but one of these organizations was save the children right

right which is probably one of the more well-known like child-focused charities you know they were accused of doing the same stuff. And I think Oxfam, which is a big one in the UK, and several other ones, right, just very, very disconcerting when you think about it, because they're not, they're clearly, you know, exploiting these people in these vulnerable populations. I mean, what are they going to do? Who are they going to tell? You know what I mean? So they're definitely, um you know it's uh apparently that type of in that that type of ngo uh work attracts a lot of very dark predatory people yeah that should be a baseline heuristic for anybody looking at these that they're they're claiming to help the children they're they're probably not and i think jerry

sandusky that he was running a child charity and even hey well save the children you know one of their fundraisers in the 80s was ghislaine maxwell who hosted the uh the maxwell i forget i think it was like one of the maxwell family companies like maxwell communications or pergamon press or something disney day to save the children right and it's just uh really creepy uh that these are the types of people they're like yeah fundraise for us right yeah and then there was even allegations that the clinton foundation was doing some shady stuff in haiti who was the right and that's where eric rasmussen was uh he's been to a lot of these areas of the iris bond uh president right um has been to a lot of these um areas he used to be the head of human informatics for darpa

um and now he runs uh what he calls a profit for purpose company called infinitum humanitarian and systems that's all about uh tracking people and disaster and war zones um spends a lot of time in haiti um he's been to bosnia a couple times uh particularly in the late 90s when there was just an epidemic of like sex trafficking and organ trafficking going there um you know i mean just really shady stuff and he has like well if you read my article you see it but like him talking about i respond is like just disgusting like the stuff he says is just absurd he says stuff like well the first step is knowing who someone is and once you know who someone is you know what they're entitled to uh like food you know so like oh you have to uh know who someone

is for them to have you know be entitled to eat and stuff like that i mean i don't know i guess these are just how these people think you know they see them as um you know they see them in a dehumanized way, I guess, um, that they're useful for piloting their programs or, you know, using their informatics product or whatever, but, you know, failing to really see them as, you know, individuals. Yeah, no. And it's, that was a quote from a Ted talk he gave, right? It's like being, being brash about it on stage. Uh, yeah. And so that, again, it drives towards sort of what i'm trying to get at in this episode like is this all like a coordinated plan and are these intelligence agencies this intelligence community is it coordinating to set up a digital

panopticon where people can't escape it and i think actually one of your pieces from a couple or a few months ago where you dug into a freedom of a a slide deck that was recovered via freedom of Information Act request, basically laid out the fact that the U.S. intelligence community wants to build a Chinese-like surveillance state here in the U.S. and actually surpass their abilities, which is something we focus on a lot here on this podcast and trying to fight back against that tide. Right. So that's the National Security Commission on AI that you're referring to, which is a

a mix of U.S. intelligence, the U.S. military, and Silicon Valley. But I mean, you asked a couple questions there, right? So your question about like a cabal, right? So what's interesting is like you mentioned earlier, right, a lot of the same names come up. Well, going back to International Rescue Committee that's involved in this refugee biometric ID thing, you have people like david milliband who's super close to the clinton family as a protege of tony uh tony blair um he is president of that organization it's backed by um all like its advisors and funders are all the major wall street banks you have madeline albright and henry kissinger advising it uh colin powell condoleezza rice you know all these noted humanitarians that clearly care about

um refugees and children right so um you know it's worth pointing out that you know you have associations with like people like the clintons who have been tied to a lot of um shady activity whether it's money laundering or whether what's what they were doing you know what was going on in mina arkansas when bill clinton was governor and all the iran contra stuff um or accusations about um you know uh trafficking of persons in haiti um in in ties like that right but anyway um So going to the National Security Commission on AI, we'll hear about Henry Kissinger being there again, right? Because basically that commission is co-chaired by Eric Schmidt and this other guy that used to be a Pentagon undersecretary of something. I forget what, named Bob Work.

And basically both of those guys are super close and are being advised by Henry Kissinger regarding their whole activity with the National Security Commission on AI. that was created by the um the 2018 ndaa so on there you have like all the big silicon valley companies um like microsoft amazon of course eric schmidt used to be head of google you have another google guy there uh you have uh safra cats from oracle um you have a lot of big silicon valley names on there um you have people from military intelligence uh from from the pentagon um people from the office of the director of national intelligence um you know the intelligence community of different intelligence agencies things like that basically all working together regarding ai before that committee was created or that commission was created the cia and the

pentagon decided to open up a joint ai cyber center to coordinate their ai efforts to speed up the adoption of ai by um those you know uh by the intelligence community and the military so you see a lot of um coordination going on and of course those same silicon valley companies also double as defense and intelligence contractors right so really at this point um they're the same crap even though we can say oh this guy's from silicon valley this guy's from intelligence i mean it's really all the same and if you consider too that a lot of the big silicon valley giants of today were funded with incutel money which is cia venture capital money um palantir for example google um all got really started because of funding from incutel so what do these guys want

well they um they basically their main concern uh since they're a national security commission um is about you know how this affects how ai affects national security their main concern is uh china dominating ai and ai driven technologies for the foreseeable future leaving the us in the dust right so they see a couple different ways to combat this um and as time has gone on um we can sort of speculate about which of the two options they're going along with so the first one is um basically forcing the mass adoption of ai driven technologies um in the u.s um you know um getting everyone uh to uh you know acquiring as much data as possible whether it's from facial recognition um you know just surveillance technologies in general in order

to train ai algorithms um and create more advanced ai technology than china allowing them to quote leapfrog china because a lot of these ai technologies are much more widely adopted in Chinese cities than U.S. cities, for example. And so this is something the National Commission and Artificial Intelligence was talking about last year, like last May, right? And so here comes coronavirus. And like the main consequence of that, you could argue, has been this huge adoption of AI or facial recognition or, you know, like remote work, you know, remote medical visits things like that that can all be um turned into you know data that's fed into these algorithms right so very convenient for them for sure and they put out a lot of different things they wanted

to see happen in may 2019 almost all of which did end up happening um or are in the process of happening um since you know march of this year um but the other option they look for or they talk about that's not related to – that's not about leapfrogging China, is instead working in private with China's economic elite to basically partner up and work together and build the panopticon jointly between countries. And this is actually the approach that Kissinger personally favors in the National Security Commission on AI document that I reported on. I mean, they use a Kissinger quote

at the top of the PowerPoint slide and talking about that option in particular, right? So it's definitely interesting. Basically what they say in that option is that if that were to be the case, the backbone of what, you know, you and I would call the Panopticon, right? Would be companies that are owned by SoftBank in Japan,

which of course has been acquiring large amounts of, you know, AI driven technologies, internet of things companies smart city related companies um you know things like that so i mean basically this is what the national security state plus its private sector partners um you know are looking at doing they're looking at doing one or the other so you know um i guess we can speculate as to which one they're favoring but i mean these people ultimately care about business and they care about control um so i think they'll probably at the end of the day favor the kissinger approach even if publicly we see the U.S. and China getting to, like, increasing public spats

or, you know, potential military, you know, conflict or whatever. I mean, ultimately you have a lot of economic elites. Historically, if you look at major wars, right, economic elites in both countries working together and profiting from both sides during the war, right? So, I mean, they're not necessarily mutually exclusive in that sense, right? I mean, publicly we may see a decline in U.S.-Chinese relations, but you know there may also be an increase in cooperation between uh the u.s silicon valley and the chinese equivalent at the same time yeah

and it's i mean if somebody's been paying attention to china particularly their surveillance state for some time now like the the social credit system that they've implemented it would be extremely scary to see that come here and things like ID 2020 right I respond even though they're not here yet they are sort of the framework that would well they want that to come to the US so ID 2020 which is backing this stuff this this biometric ID program and these refugee communities you know who who backs ID 2020 well it's it's mainly Microsoft it's the Gabby vaccine alliance which is you know the world health organization and bill gates and then it's

the rockefeller foundation right and um you know they basically say when they're talking about when id 2020 talks about this refugee biometric id program they say we hope this will be a model for civilized countries and everyone else after we pilot it here so there's definitely they have no intention on their part of just keeping it in in these in these communities right because it's all about i mean at the end of the day like i said it's all about control right so you know controlling who can buy what um where you can buy it how you can buy it things like that having complete right how you can travel freedom of movement um you know it's basically um fundamentally at odds with the the way of life that most americans want for themselves

yeah and it seems like the alex jones tinfoil hat on here it seems like this whole covid uh shutdown lockdown quarantine whatever you want to call it has just been a conditioning test to see how much we'll take and how far we can be pushed obviously the cares act had a tracing app mandated to be made by the cdc included in it uh for some reason we're we're taking advice from bill gates about virology and in vaccines even though his his history of vaccines particularly in india and africa ethiopia i believe is what about his history as a human being i mean the guy was so bad he even got sued by the u.s government for creating a monopoly they like never sue monopolies i mean look at google they haven't gone after google even but bill gates was

so egregious they were like all right yeah we got to go after microsoft you know and if you look at him on tape like when he's being questioned by the feds about like his business practices he just you know comes across as a real asshole so i mean that's the guy that wants to help all these kids okay then there's a good argument to be made that microsoft was a stolen product he basically stole it from xerox and yes i've heard this and would not surprise me but it's but it is weird though That he's being pushed out there and paraded in front of her, especially considering his confrontation with the U.S. government in the past. And he's being held up as this voice of authority on this subject where it doesn't really make any sense to me that he should be making any decisions. Like, he got grilled on, I believe it was Fox News or CNBC the other day about the trials that are having adverse effects on people, the vaccine trials.

And he seemed very squirmish and uncomfortable. Like if you're reading his body language, he seemed like he did not want to be getting asked those questions particularly. Yeah, I mean, I can't really, I mean, I can kind of understand why. I mean, he, in one of those recent video clips, he was saying the other day that he, you know, this is what happens when you let people communicate, you know, talking about so-called conspiracy theories about his background and his track record with vaccines, right? um you know basically not liking the free flow of information right so i mean definitely i you know i would argue he's a guy with a lot to hide um you can just look at his ties to jeffrey epstein for example i mean he has worked really hard to hide that stuff he has ties to galene maxwell's sister isabel maxwell who is a really shady character in her own right and also you

know there were references in early articles from the early 2000s that he and jeffrey epstein had major business links that netted epstein millions of dollars um but of course you know the new york times you know when uh bill gates claimed that he you know met epstein only once or whatever met him for the first time in 2015 they came back with an expose where they were like oh no well actually they met in 2011 you know not bothering to look up this stuff about what was going on in the 90s or what was you know trying at least that it clearly goes before 2011 right so um you know he definitely is one of many people that has stuff in his past or like in his private business activities that he doesn't want to come out to light.

But in terms of vaccines, it's worth pointing out that Bill Gates, a lot of his so-called philanthropy with vaccines is not about, you know, getting people the vaccines they need. Rather, if you look at like the Gabby vaccine Alliance or things like that, they, they specifically don't talk about, you know, you know, vaccines for the poor whatever they say the health of vaccine markets not the health of people right health of vaccine markets you know making healthy markets for vaccine producers

um of course he has his foundation um well rather it's the foundation trust that may has investments right they invest in things like pharmaceutical companies and also private prison companies like Circa and places like that, right? So, you know, it's definitely at odds with this public persona that, you know, he and people and some people in mass media have tried to build around him, right? Particularly CNN, which usually does really, you know, softball interviews with him. It's worth pointing out that, remember, Bill Gates is really closely tied to the World Health Organization, part of the UN.

CNN was founded by Ted Turner, who runs the UN Foundation and is very involved in funding un uh quote-unquote philanthropic activities right so i mean makes sense yeah and there was a rumor that after the u.s officially uh left the world health organization a couple months ago they just actually wound up reallocating the money to one of bill gates's foundations that would then just dump it right back in the world hey well since Bill Gates opened his foundation, his net worth has gone way up. So, you know, that's strategic philanthropy is the word for that. You know, he's definitely increased his own personal wealth. It's right after these antitrust hearings that went on in the late 90s with the U.S. government.

Then he makes the foundation and makes all these strategic investments and does all these things. And, you know, his net worth has just exploded. He was already, like, the world's richest man at one point now he's even richer of course jeff bezos has really left him in the dust because of the giant doom behemoth known as amazon right so um you know but i mean that's how a lot of these guys operate at the end of the day right yeah at this point it doesn't seem like money is their motive it's it's power and you mentioned jeff bezos and amazon you mentioned palantir earlier being close to the cia amazon's got a direct public relationship with the cia well palantir actually like i would argue is the cia uh they were funded with incutel money and peter thiel's

money at the beginning right but then it was incutel money and for the first five or six years of that company's history their only client was the cia yes yes so that's i would argue that's a little cozier than what amazon's doing where they're just the cloud for the cia but that's relatively recent in terms of amazon's history right um but amazon is also you know provides the cloud to tons of U.S. government agencies, not just the CIA. They give their, you know, a lot of police departments around the U.S. use Amazon's facial recognition software called Recognition with a K, you know. Even though Amazon publicly says they're not selling it to law enforcement anymore, they actually, there's a charity that claims that they're using

Amazon's facial recognition to find lost and abused children, and they pass Amazon's facial recognition technology to law enforcement to use so it's basically like this a loophole that bezos has just continue passing off that that software to um to law enforcement even though they're publicly saying they're not doing it because they're like we care about your privacy and surveillance is bad um but they're still you know pushing it out in mass uh you know under the guise of this charity so they're doing it via the nest cameras too correct yeah oh well i think yeah well Well, I think anyone that invites anything like Alexa or Google Nest or whatever into their homes is in for it. Well, I mean, it's not even a secret anymore, right?

I mean, like there's been a bunch of weird, I guess you can call them scandals with Alexa, you know, popping up and saying weird things or repeating weird things, showing that they were clearly that that software was clearly eavesdropping on people when it was supposed to be off and stuff like that. And when you think about, you know, these companies in the context of, like, the National Security Commission on AI and how they're just, like, desperate for more data, like a constant stream of massive data to train AI on, they're just, obviously, they're going to be collecting all your stuff even if they say they're not because they're trying to feed, you know, more data into their AI than China, right? So they don't get like left behind in the AI market because that's like the more data you have access to to train AI on, you know, allegedly the better the algorithm, the resulting algorithm is and the higher quality, I guess, AI product you can later sell and market. So this is why, you know, they're worried about China surpassing and dominating the market is because like a lot of those cities essentially are like, you know, surveillance grid panopticons. And so they have a huge population in a dense area and just like so much data coming in from those massive cities all over China in a way that the US doesn't have. So of course, they're going to like, you know, those tech companies are going to suck all your data whenever they can. And they may tell you they're not using it. Right? I mean, but that's bullshit. Also, I mean, because remember, like, you know, supposedly the people enforcing them stealing your data is the US government. But the US government's also trying has been lying about how much of its data, you know, it takes from people and how much it surveils on people to a to a huge extent. Right. I mean, they lied about it for years. You know, you even have like intelligence directors lie about it under oath until it came out. Right. So yeah, Clapper got got caught lying about the NSA. I mean, Snowden. Yeah, he doesn't go to prison for perjury, though. I guess, you know, when you're up there, you can just do whatever you want.

Well, exactly. That's the most fucked up part about all this is it's a two-tiered system where these people get to do whatever they want, run around the world raping children, selling drugs, trafficking humans, and everybody else is subjected to their panopticon. Well, because they're like the mob, right? And if you're not part of the mob, you don't get to participate in mob benefits of impunity

and and egregious constant criminal activity you know you're in that that's essentially what the tier is you're either part of the mob uh which is you know the government and their private sector pals and you know intelligence communities and whatever and then there's everyone else right who doesn't get any of those uh perks i guess you can say yeah well out of seven and a half to eight billion people i'm not sure what the population of the world is right now how many members of this mob do you think there are it's gonna be less than 10 000 or i mean uh definitely a very small percentage of the global population for sure yeah so what's the end goal just to have us all be cattle cattle herded into this panopticon they can just run around doing what they want

well i don't really i mean i mean that inherently like is the speculative question right but um yeah i think at the end of the day it has to do with control because like a lot of the power and and money these people have you know an influence they've amassed now i mean they know that it's fundamentally unequal um to a degree where at some point other people the masses as it were will want a piece of the pie so in order to maintain the power structure as is it necessitates greater control over the masses to prevent them from demanding some sort of um you know change in and wealth redistribution to an extent right or wanting a piece of of the pie um you know things like that so and also this whole ai thing the shift to ai necessitates that a lot of jobs be

completed by robots and a lot of jobs that people hold now be eliminated of course that's going to lead to unrest when you drastically increase um unemployment figures so the way to prevent any sort of unrest whether it's at like a you know at the oligarchy or over unemployment or anything else is to have a you know more control over that population be able to restrict their movements um you know uh control their access to food for example i mean that's kissinger in a nutshell i mean he came up with that as u.s policy the food is a weapon policy um in the in the 70s right so um you know i mean it's fundamentally about that um being able to do what they want continue their criminal rackets however those end up progressing um implement the plans that they

have for society and like for ai in this case um without getting uh pushback that could potentially derail those plans and systems yeah but it feels like it's hitting ahead it feels like they're getting too brash and uh too too blatant i mean they are i mean it's very in your face i think but i mean at this point they're pretty much like what are you going to do about it i think that's That's the point we're at, right? It's probably going to make you cringe, but this is where Bitcoin comes in, right? You just explained all their power comes over control of these systems, particularly. So I would argue a lot of what enables this corruption to happen is the fact that a lot of these corrupt people have access to the Fed window and access to the Fed's money spigot.

And they get first access to this money and then are able to go do what they want. So the U.S. military industrial complex specifically is able to use the coffers of the Fed to print money and hire these contractors to then go facilitate these corrupt actions around the world. Yeah, well, I definitely won't argue with you about the Fed being evil as hell. So we're on the same page there. so that that is where i believe i won't speak for other bitcoiners that is where i believe the the root of the problem is is that the the source of the money creation that's why i focus on bitcoin particularly because it takes the ability for these people to print money at will away from them yes bitcoin is an open network and right now it's not as private as it can be it's gotten more

private over time, but it can certainly be extremely better at preserving people's privacy within the network. But I think in terms of curbing this corruption, Bitcoin is one of the best tools that we have. Because if you take the ability for them to print money away, if you take the ability for them to print money away from them, they can't do too many of these corrupt acts. Well, I think they're aware of that. And that's why they're trying to create, you know, a digital dollar or their own, you know, a U.S., a Fed backed version of Bitcoin, Fed coin or whatever. Right. And their attempt to sort of subvert that, you know, the, you know, supposed independence of Bitcoin or whatever, by creating an alternative that's state backed and essentially state mandated at some point. Right. Um, you know, I think, you know, that whole digital dollar thing, like what we were talking about, about the whole refugee thing, oh, you can get these cash benefits, but you have to participate in this biometric ID program to get them. Well, I mean, what if coronavirus relief in the future is only in the form of Fed coin, right? And you have to, you know, exclusively deal in that particular currency in order to be able to access those benefits, right? So I think they're sort of looking to set up a system somewhat like that in the future in the U.S. to a significant degree. And I think, you know, my main criticism of Bitcoin is actually not that different from my criticism of like physical gold or things like that in general,

in the sense that when the government really wants to clamp down, how do they, you know, how do you get your money out if they shut everything down? Right. They have Internet kill switches and stuff like that. I mean, what if they wanted to, you know, make it impossible for you to get money out? Well, if Bitcoin is virtual, I mean, and they have, you know, near total control over technology, they can easily make it much more difficult for people to get their money out, you know, if they want to, right? And it's the same deal with physical gold to an extent, right? What if no one will buy your gold because the government, you know, threatens this or

that if you're caught selling or buying it, right? So, I mean, they definitely have big guns. they can pull out does that mean that there's no way that those could be used to subvert the system in either case i mean i don't think that's necessarily true but i think people need to keep in mind that uh the government's thought about these things to a big extent right and and they have strategies and tactics that they can pull out if they want um to prevent you know those types of um you know independent financial systems from being used at some point in the future when they really want to clamp down completely agree and bitcoiners are working

on this and have governments are any serious bitcoin interviews the state and the intelligence apparatus as our number one enemy and uh trying to fortify the system against that so yes they do have internet kill switches they can do that and that's only one transaction related network the most popular right now by far but bitcoiners are working to build systems that allow you to send transactions via short short wave radio that bounce it off the ionosphere so you don't even need the internet you can use radio waves to say well that's yeah that's different right but i'm talking about like you know the average person maybe that gets that delves into crypto land right may not be aware of those types of things going on i mean i guess it depends on how

committed the average person in crypto is to using it as as a tool to subvert state as opposed to a way to invest and make money or things like that i think it depends more on the state of mind of the person involved in in crypto than you know the system itself really we're a bitcoin not crypto podcast here um so i'm just talking about the thing in general right i know i know i know but But no, I actually think crypto outside of Bitcoin provides Bitcoin with some cover because it confuses the authorities and the people trying to pay attention to this. Well, to an extent. But, you know, like a lot of the people behind some other coins are real shitheads. Oh, they're all.

I mean, the Ethereum guys are they have like business accelerators that are being used to try and roll out this this this I respond thing. get it like sent out globally right they're like the that they use the ethereum blockchain and they use uh and then uh this guy from deutsche bank who was inspired uh allegedly by i respond and the id 2020 system and refugee uh camps right that was just so inspired to take this global uh turns to one of the co-founders of ethereum to fund his whole effort jill lubin yes so you said before we hit record that uh the guests the listeners of this podcast we're not going to like your takes they're going to love your takes uh because we would completely agree with you ethereum consensus that whole racket uh has been co-opted by corporate and

state interest and um that's again going back to bitcoin bitcoin or specifically have a everything against the state mindset and so yes while here in the united states i know you're not here but in the united states western world where things are relatively rosy and you know don't really have to worry about avoiding governments too much yet that may not be the priority use something like alternative transaction relay networks to the internet in places like venezuela they're building out and working hard to create hardware and um software that allows people to to propagate transactions via mesh networks similar to bouncing radio waves off the ionosphere um so yes while it's not completely um widespread yet i think the goals and the the base infrastructure is getting

build out and bitcoin only being 11 years old i think if you if you fast forward another 11 years the system would be much more robust against government attacks right well i think in that case the weak spot of people in the u.s and involved in this right it could well i don't know right but likely complacency you know oh it could never get as bad here as it is in in x country in the third world and they'll never clamp down like that so we can keep doing this and then all of a sudden the government clamps down and they're like oh we probably should have planned in advance you know i think uh it's pretty clear especially now you know with everything that's happened since march specifically that some sort of clamp down is coming i would argue that either on or soon

after election day in the u.s this year we'll definitely see another round of clamping down to a huge degree i i agree completely i got two things here number one complacency kills is one of our favorite uh phrases here on tales from the crypt and we try to educate users to take custody of their own bitcoin make sure they're running full nodes and using it properly in anticipation for that state clamp down and number two i believe you're leading us into another recent piece about cyber reason and yeah their plans around the 2020 election they are probably the shadiest company going right now. But it's not just them, right? In my opinion, the parallels between what was happening right before 9-11 and what's happening before U.S.

Election Day are very, very similar and very, very disconcerting. One of the things that happened before 9-11 were simulations of, you know, planes hitting the Pentagon and, you know, things like that right and so we have this company called cyber reason you know full of ex-spooks backed by a bunch of uh you know ex-israeli military intelligence guys and cia guys basically simulating terror attacks on election day they've had like several of these simulations i think the last one was in february um they apparently didn't like my series on them i did in january and uh so they stopped putting things out they started deleting tweets uh where they were talking about the election, things like that. So I guess they're going a little more

stealth than they were, right? But I mean, basically what they were simulating was the cancellation of the U.S. election and the declaration of martial law. And this was, you know, I wrote that series back in January. Since then, there's just been tons of what I would argue is predictive programming in mainstream media that the U.S. election is going to be canceled, there's going to be mass chaos on the day of the election or immediately after that martial law is likely because, you know, even Newsweek has been publishing articles directly talking about something called continuity of government. Anyone who knows what that means will be well aware that that means if not martial, like

public martial, in your face martial law is coming, some sort of major false flag is because continuity of government as a program that was first – well, it's existed ever since the end of World War II, really, in the Cold War, but it really got overhauled in the 1980s. People intimately involved in that in the 80s during the Reagan administration weren't even in government at the time, but they were people like Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld. And then after 9-11, COG, continuity of government, was activated specifically by Rumsfeld and cheney right um and for an undisclosed period of time where they are basically allowed to do a bunch of stuff outside of the constitution because the constitution's suspended so the fact that

newsweek is talking about openly talking about continuity of government and those protocols being activated back in march and april and things like that is uh in dc specifically um very disconcerting right um and i think the you know they're kind of been hoping for this right for a while i mean if you look at like last year too there was a joint statement from let's see like the department of justice the intelligence community the department of defense they were all basically saying like oh these foreign foreign meddlers are going to hack into the you know uh conduct all these hacks on election day and they're going to try and subvert u.s democracy then you have this is all last year right you have mainstream media publications saying things like you know

hack foreign hacks of election stuff um isn't even necessary anymore just the fear of foreign meddling and hacking is enough to upend u.s democracy forever and all these um mainstream media articles saying u.s democracy will never recover after 2020 and all this stuff i mean it's all very suspect so you look at a company called a company like cyber reason right um they're definitely uh simulating how that's going to happen essentially and what type of things are going to go down and what's really odd too um well i mean i noticed it after i wrote my original series on them in january is that in a lot of these simulations there was a lot of emphasis on self-driving cars being hacked and rammed into people and like running people over with

self-driving cars and i thought that was weird because there aren't there at the time right last november when they did their first simulation there weren't a lot of self-driving cars on the street but you know since coronavirus there are a lot more so kind of interesting and then i mean if you believe the uh matthew hastings is that the uh the buzzfeed reporter um michael hastings michael hastings michael hastings yes um a lot of people believe his car was hacked it wasn't even self-driving um it's just yeah i mean they can do that and um most of the firms that uh provide security for cars to prevent them from being hacked are also connected to cyber reason funded by the same people in the same um israeli military intelligence

agencies it's worth pointing out right israeli intelligence u.s intelligence coordinate very closely um they have ever since really um the creation of massad and the ci i mean essentially happened around the same time the creation of both agencies um they coordinate um a lot a lot of things the ciu doesn't want to do itself it'll sort of outsource to israel or israeli intelligence things like that right so there's definitely a lot of um shady stuff going on ahead of 2020 and now as we get closer right like less than 100 days you're seeing people say stuff like um no one's going to, you know, after the election, neither side is going to believe that the declared winner won and there's going to be civil war and chaos and all this stuff. I mean, if you look at how

they've been setting this up over the past year or so, and what they've been simulating and preparing for, it definitely takes on a very different tone. And what's also weird about cyber reason simulations, the way they set up those simulations, there's no financial benefit for them. They can't market any of their products based on the parameters of those simulations. They just said they were doing it um for altruism because they care so much about protecting uh u.s election system system when it's all these like x spooks and stuff right so that's pretty weird also weird is that their ceo says that his work at cyber reason is a continuation of his service to israeli intelligence so um that's a front company like a hundred percent yeah and they're backed by

SoftBank is their main investor, right? And they're also backed by Lockheed Martin, another one of their major investors. And they have just now recruited some ex, I forget exactly what his position was now. I read about it on Monday. I should probably remember. But he used to work at Booz Allen Hamilton, advised the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, I think, also involved with the Department of Defense to a significant degree. He was just hired by cyber reason to launch their u.s public sector business and he says that he's going to recruit an elite team of alumni from elite u.s military and intelligence institutions to market cyber reasons uh security software to the u.s government at the federal and state levels

would you trust a guy like that no no and this is and i all i can keep thinking about what was that objective 210 or something where they simulated something similar to the coronavirus outbreak like this oh event 201 yeah well that's interesting too because the the guys that put that on um have ties to this thing that happened right before the 2001 anthrax attacks in 9-11 called dark winter um which basically predicted bioterrorism and all this stuff and a lot of people that were at dark winter had foreknowledge that anthrax attacks were going to take place just a matter of weeks before they did and of course if you know anything or have looked into the 2001 anthrax attacks at all i mean that was a massive cover-up they tried to claim that it

was saddam hussein for the longest time and then they had to admit that it really came from a u.s military lab so it's not really predictive analytics it's more telling people what's about to happen and i mean yeah well i mean at this point like you know the media environment is so manipulated right and people are so conditioned to believe a certain thing and to like trust the state and things like that that they can get away with a lot of stuff um you know to a big extent it's not um i think there's some quote about this but i can't i can't really remember it right now but essentially it's not really even about you know you don't really have to execute the crime uh you know professionally and perfectly right you have to be what you need

to be able to do is control the cover-up right and so i think that's a lot of um what goes on so like i read for example all that started to get aired out at a certain point but they controlled the cover-up and bill barr when he was attorney general the first time just pardoned all those guys and then the media was like okay we'll never talk about it again and then everyone forgets right yeah we need to break out of this cycle do you have hope that we can get away from is crazy despotic power hungry hey i think so but i think it's going to take um a lot of soul searching among big swaths of the u.s public that haven't wanted to do it yet um in terms of complacency willing to face the fact that things are bad in terms of how corrupt the government is

i mean you talk to a lot of people in my experience anyway you talk to people in the u.s about like 9-11 or something you point out something that's like really obvious something like that you have right so you'll have people that sort of like their eyes get wide or whatever and then they're kind of like you know they just say it's too uh intense for me to think about or accept or you know that's too hard to think about too scary whatever um but you know how long are you going to keep your head in the sand uh why those guys remain you know uh you know continue to act with impunity never get in trouble for these like horribly egregious crimes they're just going to keep committing them on you know larger and larger scales over time right so you

know well that's why i was happy that epstein went down and very unhappy that he was killed because i thought that was the smoking gun sort of burst the whole thing open situation that would have people wake up but it seems like they're doing a combination of what happened in 2016 with a lot of the release of the Clinton emails that woke some people up and then more people got more, you know, wise to what was going on with Epstein, right? It was really more of an opportunity to air out

a lot of the crazy stuff that has been going on for a really long time in the US but has not really gotten any attention. So like intelligence-linked sexual blackmail operations in the US precede Epstein by decades, right? And they sort of popped up and went away. People forgot about them. There were a lot of really awful scandals, just like Epstein, in the 1980s, like the Franklin scandal, that actually murdered children, right?

And that got memory hold, and that was tied to really high-ranking people in the Republican Party. Yeah, I mean, you had a very good friend of the Clintons, Dennis Hastert, get arrested for pedophilia. Yeah, he's openly admitted to be a pedophile now. I mean, you can't really deny that. He was found guilty of it in a court, right? and then speaking of like the conditioning and you were mentioning everybody like puts their head in the sand and gets too emotionally overworked when faced with these realities like it is you can freedom of information act this information like operation mockingbird and mk

ultra are no but they redact everything right so you want to talk about like the 9-11 high-fivers often called the dancing israelis in 9-11 yeah there's a whole page in that fbi document that asked did these five individuals have foreknowledge that the planes were going to hit the towers and the answer is like almost two pages and it's redacted in its entirety so the answer is obviously not no they had no foreknowledge right and they like laid it out and like a page and a half and the whole thing's redacted you know why is that i i didn't think we were going to get on the dancing israelis but they set up a camera and we're waiting for it to happened and then there's and then they were high-fiving and celebrating and they were like

this rules yeah they went on like didn't they go on an israeli like talk show and admit that they went when they went back home yes yeah yeah they said they were there to document the event yeah people don't want to hear this stuff one of one of them got married on 9-11 he chose that as his wedding day a few years later really that's pretty fucked up yeah um yeah well i hope more people are waking up and so maybe maybe we can do this right now in this episode is uh hey freaks pay attention to the election this year if it doesn't go off if there's some terrorist attacks during it and we get marshall marshall law and they they choreographed this and and basically told you it was going to happen yeah i mean i i'm really expecting it just because of what i've seen

over the past year and since i wrote about those guys in january right uh the first time i did a three-part series on them um i really recommend people go back and read it um i just and i you know i have a new article on them on monday but they're just like one piece of this right there's like a bunch of like i said if you just look for if you do like a google news search or something with chaos the word chaos and the election there's a couple of these other buzzwords as you look at these pieces you'll notice like democracy or end of democracy things like that i mean you will just be you know you'll find just a ton of articles from the past year uh seeding all of that information out there like preparing people for a public new form of government that's

not democracy i mean i would argue in the u.s that we've had the illusion of democracy right for a very long time because you've like you know both parties are bullshit it's the same bullshit right 100 110 red team versus blue team is a huge distraction and what i wonder but we always hear in america particularly we do have that that sort of nuclear button where we have so many goddamn guns spread amongst the individual citizens yeah well that's a problem right right that's a problem for them this is why they've been calling conspiracy theorists domestic terrorists since last year and um are saying you know the q anon people not that i i think q anon is an intelligence psyop but i think um that they're sort of framing them and anyone

that believes in any sort of conspiracy theory that any sort of way connects to q anon including you know sex intelligence like sex trafficking like epstein or whatever you know they're trying to paint all of that with the same brush you had pbs come out with a special just two days ago saying all conspiracy theorists are racist and white supremacists talking about alex jones and and stuff like that like he's the only conspiracy theorist and all conspiracy theorists are just like alex jones or whatever you know um you know i mean they're trying to set it up you know what i mean where people that you know don't buy the bullshit are terrorists linking it back to mk ultra the cia created the term conspiracy theory after jfk was murdered the warren commission

it's true yes and i just hope people can see through this bullshit this stuff because it's compounding right like we had 9-11 and we had the great financial crisis now we have this pandemic and another great financial crisis we have joe biden who can't even fucking speak uh donald trump who is though i mean those debates they're either going to be super cringe they're not gonna happen hilarious uh but they're not gonna happen on a zoom call they're not gonna they're not gonna let him do it yeah i don't think they'll let biden on stage with trump i mean he just he can't even like you know keep his eyes open and maybe that's how they they set the stage for the elections called off like maybe he dies of dementia or something a

couple weeks before i don't know though i think they're gonna try and push him through and i think they're probably gonna end up declaring him the winner because if you look at who's advising him you have people like the deputy director of the cia under obama under obama is the national security advisor to the biden campaign right now avril haine right who also is a former consultant for palantir and a bunch of like ex-fooks are openly behind the biden campaign so they're just looking for some guy little rubber stamp whatever you know and that's biden he's been that his whole career well this is like a huge misstep on their part because if they are forced to debate it's going to be glaringly obvious that he's yeah but they won't because all the all like the media

you know channels that host the debates will just do what they're told you know and what's that you can't control him though like he he showed up to like a town hall meeting the other day and got the the name of the place completely wrong and like stumbled his way through oh you guys know where you are like right but he's been doing that for months right and it hasn't derailed anything no one's been like we have to pick another candidate or anything like that you know what i mean i mean he's had like insane gaffes for months like forgetting his own name calling his wife joe biden you know like in any other world people would be like this guy no but i mean they're just trying to like you know they don't really they don't really need a different candidate

against trump they're just being like you know vote blue no matter who you know so i mean they're just looking for some face to sort of ram through and you know put some other bullshit puppet in power change the cabinet around you know i mean it'll be like obama 2.0 which you know his obama's whole cabinet was chosen by citibank right i saw you tweet tweet that the other day yeah yeah well it's true i mean that's one of those emails that came out in 2016 right so you know what were the specifics of that um it was um i think uh john if i have if i remember correctly like john podesta was involved in the transition for the obama white house and it was like the vp or some top executive at citibank saying all right these are the people we think should be in obama as you know

in these different positions in the obama cabinet and almost all of them were the people that eventually got those positions like eric holder you know various other people susan rice the whole list is there for anyone that wants to go see it so yeah but i mean you know president you know fdr right back in the 30s says presidents aren't elected they're selected this is like nothing new you know what i mean so in the case of biden i mean they're just trying to keep him out of the public spotlight and like really um control um the mainstream media reporting on biden because the only people that really support biden like still watch cable news you know so it's like yeah they're just trying to control it and get it to november

no and controlling the mainstream media and clapping clamping down on independent media online i mean the censorship it's going on whether it be people talking about hydroxychloroquine or just having a wrong thought about the state of the country getting kicked off uh platforms or being quote unquote extremists like alex jones you mentioned right but it's not even just social media anymore i mean they'll pull out a website by the roots from the hosting if your hosting's in the u.s i mean they'll uh they'll start pulling out the big guns at some point i mean they're definitely going to clamp down either right before the election or on election day or after um actually all of the big social media ceos um facebook youtube twitter uh met with

us intelligence last september about protecting public discourse quote unquote ahead of the 2020 election um you know talking to dhs and the cia about mass deplatforming so i mean that's in the works too it's happening i wouldn't be surprised if i get deplatformed at some point i mean i i'm sure i will i am super shadow banned on twitter yeah but like they they like block a lot of people that follow me say they never see my tweets in their timeline or they'll see articles of mine like disappear in real time as they're looking at it on their timeline and stuff like that i mean you know i mean they've been doing that for a while right that's why it's really important to if there is like a page or a writer or a content producer that like you really like and you want

to follow um it's best to go straight to the source of like their web page um or where they put their content out and like bookmark that um or have some sort of way where you can access their content or follow them that is independent of facebook and twitter and all that bullshit yeah and so why do you do what you do you're again you're in my mind one of the best journalists out there right now talking about stuff that many people shy away from and don't even want to get um involved in like why you seem dedicated and driven with a passion that i haven't seen from a journalist in in quite a while um why do you do what you do ah well um let me see so you know i lived in the u.s for a really long time um i had sort of i guess you could say

contrarian views um you know like i was in the 9-11 truce when i was like 13 right it wasn't exactly easy right but you know you get to a point where um you know i mean you see what's going on and even if no one's listening to you um which is how i felt most of the time when i lived in the u.s you know at some point um i don't know i mean i just i hate the world they're creating and i just want to stick them in the eye you know as much as i can and so you know it's cool that people read me and stuff and I have a platform now to do that, but I didn't, when I started, it was all about, you know, taking these guys down a peg if I could.

You know, now I have a kid who's two and a half. You know, I'm going to keep doing this for as long as I can really, because I mean, what kind of world is she going to grow up in? If you know, people like me don't do something, you know what I mean? It's just, you know, I try and keep like, you know, emotional walls up. I guess you could say, between, like, you know, my writing and the emotional effect of the stuff that I write about, but it's really important that people start to, you know, recognize what's, like, actually going on, you know, and that it's not, you know, the whole, like, everything you're

told about U.S. history and how the U.S. government works, like, when you're in school is 100% bullshit, so people really need to take the time and, like, develop some moral courage to educate themselves and people around them before, you know, shit gets really bad. Because when clamp downs come and things like that, right, it's going to be increasingly harder to, you know, get that information out there. So it's really important to do that now, right? Why, you know, people like, you know, I have a bigger platform now because of social media, but that's going to go away. And I totally know that. So, you know, I'm trying to bust out as much as I can, you know, before that deplatforming happens right but you know i mean it's really incumbent on on everyone

to try and do something i mean even if you like have a blog that you don't think anyone pays attention to i mean maybe they do you know what i mean but um it's really important that everyone tries to do something i completely agree with that and that's why we do this podcast and the newsletter that i do we focus on bitcoin but um really sort of inner try to intertwine the subjects that you're focused on as well because it's all connected at the end of the day and yes i became a i became a father earlier this year and agree wholeheartedly that moment and my son entering my life has certainly given me hyper focus on making the future better for him again it is pretty depressing if we continue down this path like it does not and i just i was the same

way i was in the loose change and got yelled at for sharing with my parents and stuff like that and i fell i sort of fell in line for a while and then college got more into like hey this shit's fucked and that's why i got into bitcoin and um more people need to wake up and not be afraid to speak up and so that's why i love that you do what you do because it gives people like me courage to to jump into the conversation too and and going back to what i said earlier in in the episode like it's a very small group of people who make all these decisions and it's if more and more people are able to realize that they're being manipulated by a very very very very very small minority the power of the overwhelming majority should be able to to

overtake this evil cabal whatever you want to call it right i mean in theory but like i said a lot of it has to do with people realizing that you know they have power you know what i mean the system only works because everyone you know at the bottom thinks they're powerless right or is afraid of the people at the top so i mean we're not going to get anywhere until people shed that fear um and you know move on and realize that they have an ability to change something or make a difference you know i mean i know that sounds cheesy right but i mean i don't know i mean I did it and I was like, nobody, you know, and now a bunch of people read my stuff and pay attention to me, you know,

but I was like, you know, just some random conspiracy theorists, whatever. Right. Um, you know, a few years ago, I mean, no one gave a shit what I've said, but I, you know, put stuff out there and, you know, tried to do something and it's worked out for me and that, that can be like that for anyone. Yeah. You're crushing it. Thanks.

um i know i only allotted off an hour and a half of the time so i want to respect your time where can we find out more about you um is there anything we can do to help i know you have a patreon um anything in the works that that we should be on the look for um yeah well i'm writing a book on epstein that should um i should finish that up probably by the end of the year um i also uh just launched a new page that's gonna uh basically be for a lot of my long form more investigative of work called unlimited hangout and also uh you know people like vanessa beely for people that might know about her is going to be publishing some things there too um i also write some things for the last american vagabond um so you can find some of my work there as well um if you'd like to

support my work or get early access to my articles that go up on unlimited hangout um a day or two before everyone else you can sign up on my patreon uh just search for me um and you should see my face pop up so um beyond that you can follow me on twitter uh underscore whitney webb uh why i'm still on there but i think i have a couple months at best uh but you know yeah it is what it is and it you know it's something why it's still there even though it's like heavily heavily censored i guess you could say or shadowband or whatever but you know jack if you're listening let her let her stay on the platform he doesn't care he's been on this podcast before he's listened to this podcast before jack if you're listening keep her on oh well okay well maybe then we'll see we shall see

i doubt he's listening um whitney thank you for your time and again keep crushing it uh like i said your courage to to write about these subjects that that most people find taboo and bringing a light to these genuinely evil people i think evil is the correct word to describe the people involved i would agree stuff um is important we need to bring a light uh to these evil nefarious people and uncover them and and again i i want to end with the message that if you freaks listen out there you have power there is very few of these people who make these terrible decisions and if we work together and and stand up for this shit we can actually make a difference that's why we bitcoin whitney bitcoin's one tool you should look into urbit too

um that's a conversation for another day all right sounds good thanks all right i hope you have a great night thanks likewise thanks again oh thank you peace and love freaks