TFTC: A Bitcoin Podcast - #321: Unapologetic freedom with Justin Rezvani and JP Sears

Episode Date: April 4, 2022

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themselves to devalue their currency bitcoin wins in the world of fiat currencies bitcoin is the victor i mean that's part of the bull case for bitcoin if you're not paying attention you probably should be probably should be post yeah uh i believe it's a a suspension as opposed to completely kicked off i mean a satire account to even be suspended is the most like i was morgan messaged me last night she's like when is zion ready morgan runs social and we had lunch with her a few weeks ago and she's like when is it ready we like morgan is based as fuck i don't know her in person but uh her i just her twitter account she's young too she's she's like 23 based as fuck yeah base as fuck she's very cool yeah we wanted to steal her actually she'd be perfect uh but it

no because is it one of those suspensions where they have to rescind their tweet and then they'll be allowed back on yes and i read the founder of babylon b uh seth dylan he put out an instagram post great perspective and and he's saying we're not gonna you know bend the knee yeah we're not going to bend the knee and comply with this action of self-censorship and deleting the tweet so they can get back on so it sounds like they'll hold out for as long as whatever amount of time i don't know what'll happen oh what a crazy time we live in yeah by the way when the babylon bees posts and stories come true, that's when we know we're living in a very creative time to say the least. Well, that's what I was just, I mean, the Babylon Bee, they got suspended for basically

writing an article, which was very similar to the video you just posted on YouTube, the woman of the year. Yeah. Yeah. They, uh, in, in for context, if people haven't noticed rachel levine the transgender i think assistant secretary of health appointed by biden she won one of the women of the year spots as named by usa today and born biological male and then babylon b says basically she's a man which twitter then says that's hate speech you're suspended yeah but it's true you know objective truth is a hell of a thing it's just the assault on it i mean from my point of view it's very deliberate marxism packaged in 2022 colors yeah well i mean it's a theme that re-emerges throughout history

you have this happen in ancient rome you had to happen the weimar republic now it's happening in modern day western culture and it's it's quite frankly scary living in it and and observing it as it unfolds and it's and it's like if you are a student of history it's like this has happened before this has happened before it's happening again and and the it that's happened before are you specifically talking about like gender confusion and gender confusion money printing polarization in politics it's all coalescing again in one beautiful shit storm was wasn't that like kind of towards the end of the roman empire was when everyone was just like confused about who they were they were just obsessed with gender they were just like like oh it's like it's

hyper-sexualized degenerate culture it's i mean it's from my observation it seems like that's where we're at today. Yeah. It's my, my, a friend of ours, um, is, is the foremost transgender surgeon in the world. Like he's one of the, he lives in Austin. He he's, um, the best doc, one of the best doc. He invented these processes to make a penis basically. And I talked to him on Saturday about this, like swimmer. And he is like one of the biggest fighters for transgender rights. And he's like, this is the worst thing that's happening to the transgender community because everyone's like fuck that person and it's like pulling them back it's not pushing them forward it's like literally pulling them back because everyone looks at this and it's like

this is the most ill the guy's got a penis still yeah like come on yeah you have a report come out this morning or yesterday i believe the the other girls in locker locker room saying they're like visibly uncomfortable because she'll take her bathing suit off and there'll be some dangling gizzard parts there yeah the the type of women i've always dated in the past never had penises call me old-fashioned but man i i'm all about like everybody be who you are what do i care why should anybody else have a say over who you are and how you express yourself but like any aspect of freedom when it starts to infringe on other people's rights that's when we should take a look at this and say all right something's crossing the line you can be who

you are but not at the expense of other people and not not at the expense of pissing on objective truth yeah don't force me i completely agree you can do whatever you want just don't force me to, to say something that's objectively false, which is where we're at. And it's again, it's scary. Yeah. I look at my son and I just imagine like, you know, he's 10 years old and maybe he's playing peewee football, something like that. And if there was some 40 year old guy who says, you know what? I identify as a kid, I'm going to play football. And he's out there kicking the crap out of these 10 year olds as a father, I, I wouldn't stand for that. And I just make that analogy because I don't have a daughter yet. If I did have a daughter,

I'd imagine it'd be just as frustrating and furious seeing your daughter compete against someone who's a biological male. And if your daughter's competing in women's sports, the expectation is that you have straight up through and through women that they're competing against. Otherwise it's just, well, stupid. Yeah. And there's, there's ways to do it right. Right. Like testosterone is one of the worst metrics to use to say that this person is now a biological female, like go off of, this is the conversation I was having with the doctor is like go off muscle mass and go off bone density and just go off just sheer like size like what makes great swimmers i'm a swimmer big feet big hands large shoulders that can pull the water

through this is legitimately a bigger human there's women aren't that big usually and it's just like it's just really scary i think it's a scary time to think about like even this conversation could be potentially canceled because we're just speaking very logically about the truth i'm one strike away from get kicked off youtube let's not get you kicked off two strikes yes oh wow i think actually one of them may have been like the three month grace period ended literally days ago so maybe i get two more so i'm curious when you're rolling forward with two strikes what's what do you feel how nervous are you if if at all each time you upload uh well honestly frankly to date youtube hasn't really been a focus of our distribution strategy which probably has been a mistake we

were actually leaning into it now more and now as we're leaning into it we got crap like i don't want to get kicked off uh but yeah no i'm recording an episode later today at 3 p.m with a gentleman named ed dowd who's ex black or black rock he's a really good data analysis and he's jumping into the data coming out of insurance companies about excess deaths and is drawing conclusions that there's a potential possibility that vast or mass vaccination uh campaign the mass vaccination campaign has contributed to excess deaths and that deaths and that's a conversation i will not be posting on youtube that's what's got me my first two strikes is questioning the uh the medical cognoscente in their their view of of what's going on with the covid stuff it's very did you like my

shirt today i did unlearn no no no no no this one oh disobey is that fauci it is i wonder energetically what that does to you like i i've got one of my shirts made up that has fauci's face i just wonder energetically like wearing fauci's face all day does that influence the body's energy no i just disobey it's more of a disobey yeah yeah just like disobey it's a counteract you need the disobey you need the disobey yeah i definitely would wear a shirt with this guy it is scary though like so yes my last strike was i interviewed a doctor from wyoming who got fired because he was prescribing ivermectin hydroxychloroquine and it was working had great success didn't lose one patient had crazy fast recovery times and the patients he did

offer this treatment to and it wasn't even the fact that he was treating with ivermectin hydroxychloroquine it was then they youtube put it in the email we talked about the bears database at some point in the middle of the conversation and she said hey we have this database and there's a lot of people reporting that there are myocarditis cases rising in very not too long after these patients have gotten the vaccine and it was literally the extent and they call the vaccine poisoned and object outright say it was killing people but just alluding that it may be harming people got us our second strike marty uh justin is telepathically wanting me to ask a question through me to you if i may channeling channeling channeling what

In a nutshell, why do you think the censorship is so strong? Obviously, it orbits certain subjects like the vaccine. Yeah, I'm curious why you think that censorship is there. If we pretend there's a reason other than protecting people. It goes back to what you mentioned earlier. I do think there's a Marxist color revolutionary ploy that's underway throughout the Western world, and they cannot have people going against the narrative, particularly as something as big as COVID and the vaccination campaign that came in its wake.

If they lose control of that, it makes it very hard to push forward with their objectives, which is control. It's not protection or health or anything. It's literal control over an individual's body and with the monetary system, like their ability to interact in the economy. I've been pretty much convinced. I've convinced myself of this. Yeah, it would be hard for me to believe that it's something other than control. I think it also comes back to where we're moving in terms of eras, right?

Like this was a chapter of the book that we like, one of the sections is like, who are you most fearful of now? Right. And central, like the central, the centralized century, we're dealing with the repercussions of the centralized century, right? Like the FDA was designed for it to basically monitor a few drug companies and everything that you said from this one television source was the truth. that organization was started in the 1930s because of FDR. And now we're still almost a

hundred years later, still using this centralized system, but information is, is highly available now. And we're realizing that humans are not all the same and the same, the same, like, what is it? Carpet bombing strategy of health just doesn't work for the world. And that's what like that centralized control is fighting the decentralized century, which we're moving into now. Like the era we're living in is only 10 years old, but that is 150 year old system that we're fighting against. That's the bigger. Yeah. I love that the amount of data that is available now compared to decades past is massive, but it's, it's the filtering mechanisms that gets the signal to the rest of the population is really what we need to start honing in on because I mean, the F it's

widely known, like the FDA has been a detriment to people's health thing of the food pyramid. Think of just how many times Pfizer and other pharmaceutical companies have been fined. They're responsible for some of the largest fines in human history against corporations. Criminal fines. Yes, for harming people. The data's out there. These things are objectively nefarious, objectively bad in just looking at it. And you can even stretch and say they're nefarious and evil,

which sometimes I would stretch that far. And maybe they're not evil, but they live in an incentive system that forces them to be evil because they care about profit and not health at the end of the day and driving us further into panopticon. But I mean, you even have instances in the last week alone,

like the World Health Organization and the FDA have sort of like let it slip. Like, yeah, we were wrong in these regards. And then it just gets memory hold right away. It's like, let's just gloss over this and the media apparatus has an incredible ability to just make people not dig further into those things, which is why I like this podcast.

I really don't care if I get kicked off YouTube. Again, it has been a focus up to this point. The monetization would be cool, but people will find us other ways. Maybe Zion. And so for you, JP, again, like I said before we hit record, What I really like about Awakening with JP is that you walk the fine line of getting kicked off YouTube because your content is so overtly satirical that it is almost impossible to kick you off YouTube, I would think.

Is that an assumption? Well, up until this point, I'm still on YouTube. I'm a little bit surprised. so but but yeah when i reverse engineer like all right cool how am i still on youtube what are the key factors i do think speaking the language of satire is a part of it if you looked at one of the scripts from a typical video of mine most likely you you know you take out the body language tonality you just look at the words and you'd be like oh this guy's toe in the line of the narrative. Like, cool. He's on board with everything. So I don't think

the AI picks up satire yet. And then another factor, I'm very aware of what the hot buttons are. That'll get someone deplatformed. Obviously speaking, anything about vaccines, that's not super supportive of their results. Same thing about COVID as well as climate change. And there's a couple other hot buttons where I know that can put my account in great risk. And I like being on YouTube. It's a way for me to reach a lot of people and that matters to me. And then And thirdly, I forgot the third point I was going to make. Oh, yeah. Knowing I want to say what I have to say, so I have to get more creative in how I say it.

So instead of saying, hey, there's some really harmful negative effects that some people get from the shot. Instead of saying it literally like that, I have to create analogies and metaphors that I know will trigger an association in a person's mind where they'll know what I'm talking about, even though I'm not directly talking about it. So the censorship, as much as I think it's a detriment to humanity, I am grateful for it in the sense that it's forced me to be a more creative creator. and did your youtube videos start out this way where your videos again are are very acutely calling out this this censorship like how did your youtube page start to your comedian just start purely for your comedy or did it grow into this social commentary yeah it's definitely grown and evolved to what it is now it started out the first video i uploaded October 5th, 2014 is called how to be ultra spiritual. So I was just calling out how a lot

of us in the spiritual community, including me do very egotistical things, but don't really recognize it. And we hide our ego behind these noble looking hiding spots, kind of like, uh, how long do you meditate? Oh, 20 minutes. Well, I do 25. So I just want you to know I'm a little more conscious than you. And that's what my video started out being. And it was largely a commentary on spirituality, self-growth, nutrition, health. And then two years ago, when our freedom started getting taken away, I woke up and realized freedom is my number one value. I didn't know it was because this, this fish had been swimming in water its whole life, but take some of the water away. You start to realize what you've always had, which is your lifeblood of freedom. So that's

when I started what would probably be classified as political commentary videos. I I'd never been interested in politics before, but all of a sudden freedom became a political issue. And in our country, I was confused. I'm like, well, this is America. I think the left and the right is supposed to be for freedom, might have some disagreements about how to uphold it and different policies. But when freedom became a political issue where one side was for it and one side was against it, it just became something I had to support. yeah um thank you for supporting again your commentary is cuts deep i think in the way i would describe it like you were describing you have to find analogies like your your life jacket analogy with with uh brilliant very very good it was justin's idea thank you but again it's weird like you even in america where freedom should be reigning free and be pervasive and the the signal doesn't seem to be getting to much of the public

where for some reason or another, there's a lot of our fellow American citizens who are asking for the Panopticon or basically attacking our fellow citizens for wanting bodily autonomy or the ability to work in the economy. The word freedom is being connotated as a right-leaning idea.

In Canada, it's all right. It's an all right term. Yeah. And it's, uh, it was interesting. It was a bit of a, like, we talked about this a lot about the title, like, are we going to actually call this book unapologetic freedom? And the answer was fuck. Yes we are. But it toes the line of like, Oh, are we now sitting in this section where like I was, I, I was a liberal, my entire, I'm still, I like to think that I believe in a lot of liberal ideals. That was the party for freedom. That was a party for people to have. And what happened? I'm like, I'm still trying to put it all together myself. It's like, where did we,

where did this stray what were the mechanisms that created that change and and what do we do about it because i think as a human as a human we are innately supposed to be a free thinking being and think for ourself and and think critically for what we believe and not just like give up and say okay the government knows what's best for me in my life i don't know yeah well i mean this is the problem this slow drip towards authoritarianism has started started decades ago right i mean that's why i think i'll speak for myself i'm into bitcoin because that i recognize like the polarity that exists what i have i don't want to say i recognize and say it's an objective truth but i do truly believe that the polarity that exists in the united states the division

that exists is created by the political media corporate class to distract people from the real problem which is the money i think all fix the money fix the world is something i've been saying for years because i truly think people shouldn't be squabbling over red team blue team it's not like look at the central banks their their ability to print money x and e hello has led to this misallocation of capital that's basically led to the uh the chains that we have in the modern day again the digital panopticon is being erected go back to nixon taking us off the gold standard you have the like nafta in the 90s you have the patriotic in the early 2000s and then the reaction to the great financial crisis in 2008 these are all just like fractal events that

force more control more granular control on the economy and the populace at large it's all stems back to the ability of money print to uh get us in the crazy amount of debt get us in the crazy wars and uh hyper centralize the financial system so they can control the movement of money as bitcoins obviously become a parallel structure a great alternative to fiat currency i'm curious what you guys think if because i i hear these headlines every once in a while of biden signing some bill that will investigate should bitcoin be regulated and and when i hear regulated of course like restricted and starting to be controlled by the government do you think they'll they being those in office right now

they'll be able to be successful in putting some level of control and government accountability on bitcoin not on bitcoin the protocol maybe on the exchanges and other centralized third parties that operate on top of it and provide services for Bitcoiners. But no, they'll never be able to actually make a pull request in the Bitcoin Core GitHub and say, make sure that you have everybody associate their identity with their public address. That'll never get merged into the Bitcoin protocol.

So as long as you're running the software yourself, you should be pretty inoculated from that type of... you know you'll be inoculated to a grade they can come after you personally but again i think these people are on the losing end of a trend that they're not going to be able to reverse let's look at them they can't even speak joe biden's losing his mind in front of the country nancy pelosi's losing her mind in front of the country they yeah they have no they have no and again this is another thing i want to i try to do with this podcast and really trying to like shake people up what you awakening with jp i think you're trying to do the same thing

it's like we think we should stop listening to these people we have the capacity and the ability to to build a world without asking permission from from these politicians permissionless innovation per se exactly i think i mean one of the things i used you put this tweet out and i responded to you put the photo of pelosi and jfk and what that gave me so much hope was like we're building the future we want to live in it's just a function of time because these individuals as all things do will eventually and and i think what's cool at least my hope is that like i think this community is legitimately building the world that they want to live in and it's just a matter of time it's inevitable to me like i think like i get kind of nervous about i'm like oh but like i think what

we're doing is the true future of the world. And it's to me very clear that there's only one option. And then when people wake up and they just realize this is better, right? Like everything with Bitcoin is better. If you build a social network that accredits users based upon actual money and everything downstream from that is built on that, it's better. If you're sending money across the world using Bitcoin as the movement of the money protocol, it is better. it's faster it's more efficient i think humans want to be efficient they want to be better it's just inevitable yeah and piggybacking on that i think a lot of bitcoiners get bogged down with the now like oh it's not perfect now but if you zoom out and look at the progress

that's made over the last 13 years it's only been around for less than 15 years less than a decade and a half and yet we've gotten to the point where bitcoin mining is beginning to merge with the energy sector where we have a plethora of software solutions for individuals to create private public key pairs that are open source we have financial products that are being built we have decentralized markets that are being built like if you if you look at the progress that this protocol is made in a very short amount of time it's extremely impressive and then if you track that out moving forward and project that project that out moving forward and we continue the same progress or what i believe is going to happen build in a like parabolic um accelerating uh

trend uh we're going to wake up in 2030 like holy crap it happened and i think we're well on our way to that there's like a there's an analogy i wrote this post like zoom out like i think the the the price and the growth of bitcoin is is a good proxy to your human soul when you were born you were a maybe you were a child, you went through all these things. You might have very good days. You might have very bad days. You, I mean, every human deals with this and I deal with that. And if the price is volatile, but if you look at the time horizon of not just the growth of the price, but the, but the impact of the network, it's only going in one direction. It's inevitable again in that way. So like us being hopeful that we're all going in one direction and some of the smartest

people in the world are working on to fix these issues right it's not like we're not we're sitting the cool thing about this conversation also is like we're not sitting back talking about this stuff right like you're a creator making impact and informing people about what's going on in the world you're one of the most influential comedians that talks about the things and then together as partners we're building an actual tech product that defeats all this stuff and writing books about it right like there's people doing shit to change the world not just chirping and I think that's the that's the cool impact that i also see yeah it's happening i'm sure you see this with content like that's the way you could you know this doesn't only apply to bitcoin i apply

it to content too like content for the newsletter in this podcast like consistency is key to show up and work day in and day out you're gonna have ups you're gonna have downs you're gonna have episodes that don't get as many views as others but as long as you're there building iterate and getting better like over time you can get to a youtube page of what 2.2 million people I'm not sure if that's how you think about your work but for me applying it to this working at Barstool that's what Dave Portnoy always said is vlog never sleeps

you got to show up every day and one day you'll wake up and it'll be something I was very impressed by you Marty actually I remember when we did our launch you went home and wrote that night you went home and wrote and you wrote patience because it was one of the things that we said on stage

and you wrote a post about it and I remembered because I saw it at one in the morning I was like Marty's like that's baller to like go to a thing it's already really late and then you go home and finish and writing that entire thing that consistency of your newsletter I think is the impact of why you've grown so much as well very impressive what's your creative process as far as time consistency curious what that structure looks like for you there's no real structure around it it's just when I whenever I feel inspired at some point in the day and have time start writing i don't like to force it but what i'll find is what happened what's happening

lately is i've got a two-year-old son and my wife uh is very pregnant with our second child two-year-old how old is he two years old it's a hilarious question wasn't it so he's it's a handful wife's very pregnant so i gotta help out um so i'll find most days these days i won't be able to write until after he's in bed and we've been fed and and i'll sit down and it'll get out of like 1 a.m but yeah i'll just sit there with my laptop and then at some point i'm like all right i'm ready to write just go for it and how long is a typical writing session for you an hour to three hours depending on how excited i am about a particular topic yeah i can relate i've got a 15 month old son at home and the process used to be different but with

him around which is i mean such a blessing it is i've found i have to be pretty flexible with when and where i do my writing yeah it's uh that's funny too i mean i i was at a point uh before my my son came into the world where I thought I need to like smoke pot to write. Like I was a habitual marijuana spoker for like a decade. And then when my son came, the three months leading up to my son being born, I stopped smoking pot and I thought it was going to affect my writing, but it actually like made it better.

The point I'm trying to make is your routine and the way you approach things is going to change and you just got to be okay with that. And actually I think it sharpened my writing at some point. Maybe approach things differently. stopping or starting stopping sharpened your stopping yeah i thought i thought i was dependent on weed to like be creative um i'm not which is uh was it was a good uh a good realization do you think do you think that that energy of the create like how i guess what am i trying to ask when you stopped that it increased the volume of it it became more yeah it became more clear

I wasn't stoned writing about stuff in my mind. Not as distracted per se. Yeah. It's a creative process. It's beautiful. Have y'all read Steven Pressfield's book, The War on Art? Negative. I have not.

It's a great book. The gist of it, spoiler alert, is you take the time to show up every day. it's kind of like, yeah, showing up in the birthing room to let something creative come out. And to me, that's the most important part. And it's very simple of take time, show up and see what wants to come through you. And I personally think a creative process is as essential for people's health as sleeping, nutrition, exercise. I think creativity has got to be in there. It is deeply impactful on our psyches. And for, cause I lived most of my life with no creative process, no creative outlet. It wasn't until, um, what was I 33 when I started

doing comedy videos that I had any kind of creative expression. And I look at that, I'm thinking like, not letting any creativity out. What if you didn't poop for a decade and you get very physically constipated and that's not good. Energy wants to move through you. And I think psychological constipation happens if someone doesn't have some level of a creative outlet. I think it's very essential to our mental health. There's a poet named Mark Nepo and I've heard him say he believes all violence is a symptom of unexpressed creativity so basically misdirected energy because someone doesn't have a creative outlet and i can't validate what he said if it's true or not true yet it's pretty intriguing it's very intriguing and especially in the context of

modernity where people are forced to be cogs in a machine where they're working nine to five sitting in excel all day creating powerpoints all day most people and just creativity is objectively suppressed in the workforce when they get home they're too tired i mean what am i going to do it starts even earlier i mean i feel like school has fundamentally failed the creative spirit of individuals like i i legitimately i got under 2.0 in high school which basically means i flunked out of high school without flunking out of high school. I, I go to a community college to get into a university. I go to university and, and I, I'm legitimately if like a, not a good student, even when I graduate college, I'm legitimately not a good student because I'm

being suppressed. But in the same situation, I'm vice president of my student body. I'm the president of the marketing club. And the Dean of my university pulls me aside the day I'm like a week before my graduation. He's like, listen, we've never had someone speak at a graduation that has this low of a GPA, but there's either two things that's going to happen. You're either going to go to jail or you're going to be really successful. So we'd like you to speak for the, for the school. What an honor, bro. But then like, I look at that and I'm like, school has failed this concept of creativity. Like you cannot be creative inside of a normal schooling environment. Like I understand if you want to be an engineer or a doctor, you go learn certain

things but like it's failed most individuals and like it's i think it stems from that and it just like goes all the way into the workforce and now you're a 30 year old that can't express yourself you can't really be who you want and you're sitting to a well you can go you can go back to the modern day public schooling system is the seed of the color revolution that we were talking about earlier you know like what is the austrian public school model exported to the u.s very early