TFTC: A Bitcoin Podcast - #340: Truth in an insane world with Dr. Brooke Miller

Episode Date: June 21, 2022

Join Marty as he sits down with Dr. Brooke Miller to discuss the insanity of today's world in the context of cattle ranching and medical tyranny. Follow Dr. Brooke Miller on Twitter Learn more from Ginger Hill Angus Shoutout to our sponsors: Unchained Capital Braiins HodlHodl Upstream Data TFTC Merch is Available Shop Now Join the TFTC Movement: Main YT Channel Clips YT Channel Website Twitter Instagram Follow Marty Bent: Twitter Newsletter Podcast

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that's part of the bull case for bitcoin if you're not paying attention you probably should be oh we're live um is he is he coming through your because i can't really no car we need to get you who produces my car so that we can't hear you through our ears. But I'm sitting down with Dr. Brooke Miller. Welcome to Austin. We've been having a great conversation already. We figured we'd just launch right into it

with the stream. Make sure we don't miss anything here. It's great to be here. What's going on in the world? We're talking about family. The world seems to be a bit chaotic, pretty detached from truth and integrity. We're talking about my two sons, your children, your grandchildren, and the need and the pressure that we feel to try to make the world a better place for them specifically.

Yeah, it's pretty wild. I just remember back to my childhood and the freedoms that we enjoyed as children growing up in the 70s and 80s, so different from today. I mean, your generation, my children's generation, really don't know what they're missing, really. What are we missing? What was it like growing up in the 70s and 80s? Oh, gosh. It was awesome. There was obviously no social media, no cell phones, no computers.

We made our own entertainment. We figured out a meet up and meet up with our friends and play ball or go fishing or just go have a field party. Yeah. Well, I actually feel like I'm on, so I'm 31 now. That's hard to say. I've been saying I'm 30 for the last year. Just turned 31. So I'm 31.

and i feel like even even for somebody my age we were in this transitionary period where yes i had a cell phone i was a freshman in high school but it was still just a pure um handheld phone no touchscreen no internet nothing like that and so like i was mentioning we lived in south carolina and i remember vividly living in south carolina between the ages of like 10 to 13 that's what we did we just ran through the woods we paintballed we skateboarded we worked on mopeds we worked on go-karts and we're just outside 24-7, 365. But then moving back to Philly, going through high school, the iPhone came out, I believe it was my junior or senior year in high school. And that definitely changed everything. So that's crazy to think that was 2008, 2009 within a 13, 14 year

period, the way that children interact and meet up specifically has changed so drastically. yeah and uh you know we often refuse to reflect about that when i was a kid and these old timers now become one of these old timers but you don't look like one i can tell you that oh yeah um we'd go out at night we lived in a small town we just go out at night and stay out and the way my dad got us to call us home was he had a just an incredibly loud whistle and he would whistle you could hear it all over town and we'd say oh time to go home and uh i had i had a dad with an incredible whistle as well when we were in northeast philly uh that's how my brother and i you know we could be like three blocks away my dad every dad had their own whistle uh and we could

hear uh our dad whistling from the stoop and you know all right connor's time to go home i gotta go eat dinner yeah and you know unlike our kids i mean i think unless they fooled us uh we knew exactly where they were what they were doing just about every minute of their life you know and it's even getting more that way we have to do that with what's going on in the world and our parents had no clue what we were doing most of the time so what do you think's changed so much you think it's like the idea of the the helicopter parents or kids losing interest like why why have we gotten so younger generations specifically like today coming up like how why is their upbringing changed society's changed yeah um there are a lot more

perils out there i mean with the connectivity and uh mass media and social media and cell phones and computers and internet there's just so much more to navigate now than it was we were you know i lived in rural america rural virginia we're the last to hear about anything you know fashion would start in paris and then go to new york and that's the way i you know things happened and we were the last to hear about anything and that was good and bad i look at it look back on it now it was extremely good um we don't have to worry about predators um violence well it's a lot it's a lot like that right now where where we live um very small town community um but it still changed a lot

since i was a kid yeah well so let's talk about where you live you're eighth generation virginian running an Angus farm Ginger Hill Angus yep you're the

president of the Cattlemen's Association here in the United States the United States Cattlemen's Association

United States Cattlemen's Association excuse me and you're a doctor as well yes and

hopefully I'm a good father and good role model and lover of freedom

yeah well not many of those left these days it seems that's what uh we're trying to do here in this show is get people back to thinking like hey we are being forced into a digital panopticon we need more freedom fighters and that's why i'm excited to have you on the show particularly is i have developed a relationship with your daughter and son-in-law and i've learned a lot about you specifically what you do with ginger hill um at the angus farm and then also in your parallel professional life being a doctor and you saw some shit uh over the last three years with the the covid um and the reaction to it and i guess putting your stethoscope on and thinking with

your doctor's perspective like what has last three years how has that changed your perspective on just the medical industry at large pharmaceutical industry and and how society interacts with it it's opened my eyes it really has um i term covid19 and the response to the pandemic as being the greatest disappointment in my professional career um to see an attempt at centralized control of doctors uh the propaganda that is uh just bombarded on the average citizen in the united states um it's been a big huge disappointment um it reminds me of you know nazi germany or communist soviet union what's been going on and how they try to control the narrative and how they try and silence free speech we were talking about it where i think

we're streaming live on youtube i think i forgot to hit the uh the the button that keeps us from streaming on youtube but yeah i've had many strikes on this channel talking about this just trying to have an open conversation like hey there's some things that don't seem to be aligning with the reality that i'm seeing in front of me like are we allowed to question it particularly around the vaccine specifically where it's is it safe should we be like we were discussing like i think i'll just speak openly and candidly i think the fact that there are people in the mainstream openly gloating that the fda has approved the moderna vaccine and another one of the the vaccines for children between six months and five years is absolutely disgusting especially

when you consider the amount of data that's come in and improves without a shadow of doubt that at that age, children are not really in any danger. It's probably actually, if you're looking to the data of taking the vaccine and more importantly, taking multiple shots, it's probably riskier for them to do that than to actually get COVID and try to take that on head on well i try to look at everything as risk and reward and uh a healthy child has about as low a risk from having a complication or dying or hospitalization from covet 19 as you know humanly possible and then you put on the top of that so there's really not a lot of reward for giving them a vaccine that reduces their risk but you look on top of that the vaccine that

has the emergency use authorization that's uh being used now is outdated i mean the virus has mutated numerous times and uh it's becoming less and less and less effective at mitigating disease initially the speak was it's safe and effective and effective at what you know they've become masters at at manipulating their studies and making studies look positive when it financially benefits them and making studies look negative when uh when it doesn't financially benefit them so really there's no reward for children that i can see uh healthy children to take uh this vaccine and it's loaded with what we're finding out more and more and more adverse events and side effects i mean the things that i'm seeing as a physician we just never seen before i mean

it's like weird unusual neurologic problems coming out and vaccine recipients and you can't explain them other than they got the vaccine hey correlation is not causation that's that's what they'll throw at you. You can't say that that's what the cause was. Yeah. I've had a couple of people that have told me

these stories about going to their doctor and something, having some malady that occurred

in a reasonable time frame following the vaccine and a lot of the comments were, well, we don't know what caused it, but it's not the vaccine. It's definitely not that.

No. We're just going to roll it out automatically. Why do you think there is... Because it seems obvious. We were talking about the life insurance claims data that's been coming out. We had Ed Dowd on the podcast a few months ago who is an ex-Wall Street analyst

who's doing a deep dive into all that data. And it seems that there is some signal coming out of the life insurance industry that says, hey, post Q1 2021, something entered the population that is killing more people than would then have otherwise died years prior there are way too many people taking uh taking up life insurance claims than years past something had to happen and we had a year's worth of covid data before that and it was still significantly higher than that

And again, like you said, it's becoming glaringly obvious when you have young athletes, young individuals in general dropping dead of what they're trying to say is SADS now. It's Sudden Adult Death Syndrome. I think it's, it sounds like Sudden Adult Death Syndrome, but I think it's Sudden Arrhythmic Death Syndrome. Arrhythmic. Yeah, from a cardiac arrhythmia, probably brought on by an element of myocarditis. Myocarditis causes inflammation in the heart wall, and it disrupts our electrical circuits in the heart and puts people at increased risk of having a cardiac arrhythmia, sudden death. Have you seen any of these adverse effects to your patients? uh i haven't had any patients that have had sudden arrhythmic death syndrome um had a lot of people with strange unusual neurologic complications

um parkinson's disease stroke and heart attack my very first patient that we saw what we felt was an adverse event was a a gentleman about my age had well controlled hypertension no other cardiovascular risk factors and nine or ten days after he received the first injection he had not one but two clots form somewhere in his body and go to his brain it's called an embolism and he had two rather significant areas of damage in his brain and his life has forever been changed difficulty speaking difficulty walking with a hemiparesis which is a partial paralysis on one side of his body it's been two years and he's regained a lot of his function but he'll never

have the normal life that he did um and i'd see no other reason for him to have that he didn't have a cardiac arrhythmia his cardiovascular uh system was completely clean he had no structural heart disease. He just had two clots, which we're seeing well-documented that the spike protein that is produced by our body when the mRNA tells our cells to produce this spike protein, it's causing clots. It's causing problems. It is persisting in the body. Initially, the pharmaceutical industry said it wasn't going anywhere just be in your arm and they are short-lived and produces spike protein but we're finding spike protein and the lipid nanoparticle it's been studied for at least 60 days at least 60 days you're seeing

lipid nanoparticle which is the vehicle for the mrna and the spike protein in our body for a long period of time. The amount of spike protein that the body produces in response to the mRNA shots is so much higher than an acute infection. These risk factors do happen with acute infections, but the risk is a lot shorter-lived. And then it compounds if you get a double dose,

a boost, another boost. Yeah, the more shots you get, the increase your risk of suffering from one of these complications. Um, and interestingly, uh, data's coming in from all over the world on foreign countries where they're doing a little bit better job at, uh, collecting and reporting this data than they are in the United States. Um, increased exposure to spike, i.e. the boosters is showing an increased risk of having

a severe COVID illness now. so it's actually making more susceptible to the virus which is interesting but that's another thing you mentioned like the data collection here in the u.s it seems like they tried to or maybe they didn't even try to but the control there there really is no control group here in the united states from what i've seen all the stuff a lot of the studies that i've seen they tried to create these studies where they give the vaccine to one group and saline to another and they came to find that

throughout the course of the study those who were supposed to be in the control group wound up actually getting the actual vaccine because of all the propaganda that was fed to them. Oh, I didn't heard that. I did know that the drug companies don't have to produce their raw data and they were trying to hide it

for years and years and years and the FDA was complicit in that and I did know that the they vaccinated the original Pfizer trials. They vaccinated 30-some-thousand patients and allegedly gave placebo to 30-some-thousand more. And in the sixth month that they studied,

the groups, the all-cause mortality was higher in the vaccinated group than it was in the unvaccinated group. Yet, the incidence of COVID, symptomatic COVID, was lower in the vaccinated group. And there were apparently two deaths in the unvaccinated group and one death in the vaccinated group from COVID. And so, you know, they spun that data

and showed an incredible relative risk reduction from dying from COVID. 50% less likely. Yeah, 50% relative risk reduction from dying from COVID. But the really telling thing that they did because they didn't want to study possibly the long-term problems with this vaccine

is they, at six months, they vaccinated the control group. Yeah. So that's, I think that's what I was referencing. Yeah. Yeah. At six months, they vaccinated the control group, which is unethical as far as I'm concerned.

Yeah. Well, the ethics around all of this is very interesting because that's the one thing that's always perplexed me. I was always open to the vaccine potentially being viable and actually work, but the way it was rushed with Operation Warp Speed, just knowing the amount of years of data that's usually collected before vaccines introduced to the larger population, that's why I was originally apprehensive. I didn't think there was any nefarious intention or greed going on behind the scenes. I was just like, yeah, there's literally not enough time to gather enough data to make an educated decision about this. Common sense.

It's amazing. There's a saying I've tried to live by is, do not co-opt your common sense to the experts. And it seems like much of the country, if not the world, has done that the last three years, two years. Yeah. I forget who it was that told me. It might have been Robert Malone. It says the majority of people want to be told what to do. I hope that's not the case.

Right? Well, that's the other thing. A lot of people, we locked down the economy, right? And people thought, all right, the only way to get back is via this vaccine because they were programmed. We're only going to be able to go back and operate throughout the economy if we get this vaccine.

and a lot of people took it as just like a please get me the hell out of these lockdowns i'll do whatever absolutely uh we're friendly friends with a lot of our kids uh friends and try to get to know them and there's one in particular that i was encouraging not to get the vaccine young healthy guy and he just said you know i just i just want life to be back to normal i'm gonna if taking this shot helps it be back to normal I'm going to take the shot and

I bombard him with what I think is good scientific evidence and finally he contacted me he says please stop I realize I made a mistake

you're rubbing salt in a wound well how does it get this bad in your perspective and in your opinion how do you think so many people on the national

at a national scale to international scale fell for all this because now like me i've always been anti-authority i don't like when people tell me what to do so when this stuff started happening whether it was lockdowns or i thought i liked you for a reason or get the vaccine i was just like don't tell me what to do no number one number one i was like all right there's literally not enough data number two like i don't like when talking heads on tv are pointing at me and say you better do this Uh, this has probably been the most effective propaganda war that we've ever experienced in our lifetime. I remember, uh, last summer, my brother and Hodge and I went, went to Chicago to watch, uh, meet my daughter Ella and, uh, watch the Diamondbacks and Joe play against, uh, the Cubs. had a great weekend fly back home late at night turn on the radio driving home from

reagan national about an hour and a half drive and uh the amount of everything coming about about the announcers advertisements was get the vaccine it's the right thing to do it's safe and effective it was just a huge propaganda war on anybody that felt like they may not want to take the vaccine so it was just it was just propaganda yeah no i i remember vividly christmas 2020 we were back in philadelphia my wife and i and we went to go meet my parents in the city for dinner and we Ubered from my wife's parents to the city. And it wasn't even about the vaccine. It was just about the mask.

And there was just like crazy mask reinforcement propaganda on the radio. It was just like, you're doing your part if you're wearing your mask. And we're sitting there in the back of the Uber. At that point, having been in South Jersey for the better part of a year, where it was relatively lax

because it was a smaller population, more rural. so we ended up wearing our mask and just felt weird being in an uber wearing a mask but we're just getting bombarded and it happened like there was three commercial breaks in the 45 minute ride to the city and each one was bookended with like wear your mask you're doing your part propaganda it's just imagine being the uber driver sitting there all day listening to that just the constant droning of reinforcing that message yeah the mass nazis were they were really mean i mean if you didn't wear your mask it was like you're a bad person yeah not that uh there was any evidence any scientific evidence to show that mask work actually was quite

the opposite you know two randomized control studies that are out um then and now i mean showed no statistical benefit of wearing a mask and and it makes sense i mean the size of the covid19 virus is thousands of times smaller than the pores in the mask and it used to be a pet peeve of mine i mean i thought the mask probably increased your risk possibly increased your risk of not having a good outcome for several reasons but you watch people that wear a mask and they're constantly fiddling with the mask you know and uh part of this route of this transmission is through the oral cavity. And then if you do have COVID

and you're breathing through that mask, you're re-breathing COVID and you're seating your mask and then you're outside, you cough, you walk into a indoor facility and you just brought loads of COVID with you with your cough. I even had one patient come in and we were talking about mitigating risk and what to do.

And he goes, he goes, I don't go many places, but when I do, I always wear my mask. And I looked at his mask and it looked like it had been stomped through the dirt.

It was grubby. I don't know. You think of like kids wearing masks too. Like they're just, they're petri dishes and forced to wear that all day. That can't be good for them. Didn't it increase like respiratory disease

or instances of respiratory? viruses for children and even covid but outside of it i think i saw that somewhere but i don't know i just think about myself there was one time i was on a plane forced to wear a mask and i'll never forget just like sneezing like uncontrollably and having like snot in the insult my mask and i tried to take it off uh because i had snot in it and the stewardess was like put that back on like i just literally blew my nose and i was like can you get me another one you were probably looked on as a leper it's uh but it got insane and that's what i worry about like is there in your perspective any how do we turn the tide of because there's a sunk cost fallacy

about this too right for two years people bought in to wear your mask get the vaccine i'm doing my part and there's millions tens of millions potentially hundreds of millions of people out there globally who did their part and they don't want to admit that maybe they were being manipulated or led astray and that's what i worry about moving forward is how do we avoid falling prey to these central planners and their propaganda techniques ah well you're doing your part and i'm doing mine and we just gotta not be afraid to speak up and yeah we just

we ought to not be afraid to speak up because you know physicians like myself are being attacked and investigated how bad is it?

well I hear it's pretty bad for some people who are really out there sticking their neck out I mean medical boards are trying to intimidate them and

And, you know, a large part of, because of the complexity in running a medical practice now and all the things that you have to do to collect your money from insurance companies, it's really become an insurmountable task for a doctor to run a medical practice. and so these big large health care organizations are providing the backbone of the business end doctors just want to practice medicine and so they're signing on with these health care corporations but these health care corporations are getting between the doctor and the patient they're trying to tell doctors what to say what to do how to treat and if you look at it if you really analyze it there are very few employed physicians that are out there most of them are independent that are talking about this and and the problems with our public health response to this pandemic is it all greed do you think these

health care corporations are they embedded with big pharma they like government programs they like the payments that they receive from government programs and complying with the government

so yeah it's money money and power not to bet sex three evils money power and sex

at least I don't think you never know those people in the swamp are a bit weird yeah get deviant

sometimes but going back to like how do we again the how do we fix this like i've seen we're so again the episode name is truth in an insane world like something as fundamental as health care like an individual should be able to go

to a doctor and expect that that doctor has their best interests at heart it's just again it's like people will yell at me for this but like it doesn't seem like that has been the case for the last two years it seems like people are being driven either by fear greed or just pure stupidity and ignorance to anything. It seems like there's some part of the medical establishment

that's just filled with a bunch of drones who are taking orders and not thinking critically about what those orders mean or the consequences of seeing them through. Yeah, we've got to

decentralize things. You think so? Yeah, absolutely. We've got to decentralize things and allow the people on the front lines that are making the decisions that are caring for the patients to make the decisions.

When I treat a patient that I've never seen, I'm not sure how to treat them. I don't call the CDC or the FDA. I call a doctor that's done it and had success with it. So somehow we got to figure out how to decentralize things. And we got to, I don't know whether the right word is deregulate. We've got to change how people look at their health insurance. um we got to incentivize healthy uh behavior and healthy lifestyles

um i could i've said many many times that i could provide medical care um at a lower cost and still make a good living if we looked at health insurance like we look at your car insurance car insurance does not pay for your oil changes and your routine maintenance pays for major disasters and i think that would be a much better system as far as our health health health system goes how's the health insurance work now they try to take on everything well i mean i think someone told me that salaries were frozen around you world war ii and so um you know corporations and companies started offering health insurance and uh that's how how we got into the current method or mode of health insurance where the

health insurance basically covers everything covers most everything uh and there's a lot of a lot of costs associated with administering that and a lot of waste you know someone's paying for something out of their pocket, they're not going to ask for a test that they don't really need to have. Frequently, we were talking at lunch earlier today, and frequently I see people that come to the office and they tell me what tests they want. And I asked them, I said, well, is this going to change what we're going to do in your healthcare? Like a typical one is anybody comes with a back pain, they want an MRI. And I asked them, I said, well, is this back pain debilitating enough to you where you would consider an operation? Oh, no, no, no. I said, well, then why do you want to do

the test? Because that's the only thing, that's the decision-making process there. If you're not ready to have an operation, why do the test? Or not really waiting to undergo some sort of treatment? Well, I just want to know. But if you tell that person that it's going to cost them And they're less likely to want that procedure or that diagnostic study. So there's a lot of waste there because a lot of health insurance will cover those. And a lot of doctors want to please their patients and do what they ask them. What does that waste and that structure also lead to complacency on the doctor's end in some cases where they're like, all right, we're just going to run every test for every patient?

Yeah, it's not uncommon to hear people tell me when they go to a doctor or emergency room, the doctor never even examined them. So he's a nurse or something like that? No, I mean, the doctor doesn't put their hands on them. I mean, as a physician with 30-some years of experience, I can pretty much narrow down what I think is wrong with a patient just by after talking to them. But diagnostic skills have really gone by the wayside and been replaced by expensive tests. doctor patient

again it's I'm just thinking in my mind of my experience with physicians throughout my life and yeah

it's a lot of tests especially I think back to New York specifically just a couple questions from a questionnaire

like not even looking up from the clipboard couple blood tests and then you get a call a couple days later

it's very it's not very personal or it didn't feel that way at least yeah i mean uh medicine's changed a lot since i've been practicing medicine um some good some bad uh but that's definitely definitely changed it was a lot more patient doctor interaction when i first started practicing medicine but now we got to pump them through and uh put them on the assembly line yeah yeah it's been everybody's a number to put in a spreadsheet uh with a profit margin on top of their head it seems that's it's really sad to see i think and it's not only in healthcare too like it seems that

throughout our economy again like there's we're disconnected from truth in a lot of areas whether it's healthcare in the monetary system um food specifically like you mentioned preventative healthcare and getting people healthier like it's never it's a pill for everything there's a shot for everything there's a test for everything there's never a um once you get in shape fix your diet and prevent a lot of uh the ailments in the first place yeah if you uh if you don't lead a healthy lifestyle and and uh wreck your physical condition there's always out there somebody who has the cure it's going to cost and they're going to be able to make money on and big pharma has perfected that they sometimes i think they come up with drugs and try to invent diseases

to treat yeah well and then you see like with monsanto and bear you have the food industry starting to merge with big pharma like what are they putting in the food to affect metabolism or other areas of the body that then lead to consequences down the road yeah food's a big pet peeve of mine and it's interesting that you're you're talking about that right now i mean definitely big food big food corporations can make huge profits on cheap crap food and that gets back to the dietary guidelines which is something that's sponsored by the government and uh big farmers there to to to give you the cure big foods there to cause the problem and big farmers there to give you the cure.

Yeah. And I mean, I can't stop thinking the picture of the crowded beach in 1970 has been going around on Twitter last week. I mean, I've seen it a few times throughout the years, but for some reason it popped up again. And it's crazy to see, you're talking about growing up in the 70s earlier,

that picture of people. If you ever go to the Jersey Shore and try to snap a picture like that today, it would be, it would not, that people would not look as healthy as they did in the 70s. Before we started seeing all these pictures going across the internet

and they're awakenings for hopefully for some people, but I used to talk to my patients when we talk about healthy food and the dietary guidelines and how my thoughts and my experience is so much different than what the government sponsored by dietary guidelines promote.

But I said, just think back. I said, you're about my age. think back go back and look at your high school yearbook fat kids that you thought were fat back then would not be fat today and very few people would be overweight now every now like 60 70 percent of americans are overweight yeah now somebody has another funny picture that's going around the internet today it was a picture of a scene from full metal jacket where i forget the names the characters but the uh the fat one in the battalion is getting reamed out and like run through uh calisthenics routine uh and the fat one the battalion would be considered like somewhat

skinny today yeah it's pretty sad and i mean i'm gonna transition this to you running ginger hill angus like i said you you're around what many would consider the purest form of food that we have the the best bang for your buck in terms of a beef beef protein i think look at you you're in your 60s is that correct yeah 60 my 61 almost 62 yeah okay more jack my body's in great shape my mind i don't know but you're uh you're jacked you're jacked 61 year old you're running a cattle ranch what having been on on the ground ranching um your whole life essentially like how has america specifically got completely disconnected from what is a pure source of food most people think their food comes from the grocery store and you know covet van covet the covet 19 pandemic

and the disruptions in the supply chain were rude awakenings for a lot of people and now we're having a lot more people pay attention to what they're eating, where it's coming from and hopefully more people will pay attention to it. Yeah, well, I mean,

I'm certainly paying attention. I've got a freezer full of beef at my house thinking about buying another freezer, loading it up with more beef. I think I'm going to be buying a half cattle from you for beef that I'll be eating on the East Coast later this summer.

and it's scary though seeing what's going on you're seeing a bunch of videos of farmers coming out hey my input costs are up uh cost of fertilizer cost of a bill of hay uh slaughtering costs all going up like what is the state of the north american rancher at this point in their their businesses um what's it been like for you personally i guess we can start well i'm the president united states cattlemen's association but i'm also a physician so my livelihood doesn't depend on um cattle ranching although i love it and i don't want to lose money doing it but so many of our friends their sole income comes from cattle ranching and they're some of the hardest working most ingenious smartest people i know um but they're really taking it on you know cattle

ranchers are really taking it on the chin and it's as a result of concentration in the meatpacking industry and multinational corporations that basically have a monopoly um these corporations that are controlling the fat cattle market are reaping obscene profits and i'm not against anybody making a profit i think that's part of capitalism but when you uh when you control artificially control a market and there's no laws of supply and demand uh the market's broken and we have a broken cattle market and i see it as a national security issue um if we i think uh 40 percent of cattle farmers have gone out of business since the 80s 40 percent this trend continues uh we're gonna have a real food crisis in this country

and we'll be dependent upon four major multinational corporations to supply our food. And I don't know if you know this or not, but when COVID-19 hit, the model in the packing industry and the food industry is bigger, is better, and more efficient. And they have these huge packing plants, and these workers were right side by side, and they had some COVID outbreaks. And so these packing plants were closed. And thus we saw shortages at the meat counter because the packing plants weren't putting food out.

They weren't processing animals. And the food corporations just capitalized on that and made more money. They increased the prices of their product to the retailer and they decreased the prices to the producer and so the producers got screwed and the consumers got screwed but the packing industry made billions.

I think the percent of the retail dollar that cattle producers have dropped, the amount of money that they get from the consumers has dropped from about 50% of the dollar in 2015 to 37% in 2021, while all the while our input costs have continued to go up. So it's not a good picture for the food security of this country unless our country makes some serious changes. What are those changes?

Just decentralized breakup? Would you consider it like an oligopoly? Yeah. Yeah. It is. Personally, I think you can't survive with this much concentration and this much of a monopoly in the packing industry.

Four companies controlling so much of our food. We at the United States Cattlemen's Association constantly are trying to work with usda and congressmen and senators and uh the executive branch to to try to do something about uh the ways in which the uh monopoly is is orchestrated by the big food um there's some bills right now that are on the senate and house that are being debated And there's strong pushback from these big corporations. I mean, they're billion-dollar corporations, and they have great lobbyists. And politicians need to get reelected.

So what does your role as the president of the U.S. Cattlemen's Association entail? Are you just a representative of your everyday cattle? We have our organization as a true grassroots organization that represent farmers and ranchers all over the United States, whether you be a purebred producer like I am, commercial producer who basically raises the calves that go into the feedlots eventually or into the food chain system. We're a seed stock operation. Or whether you're a small feeder or a backgrounder. backgrounders are people that take calves off the cow and sort of grow them slowly and economically and try to make a profit that way by putting cheap gains on these animals we represent all of that um what we don't represent is is our competing interests the the big packing corporate companies

which are which are needed uh but they wield way too much power and unfortunately our larger trade organization national cattlemen's beef association tries and represents or says they try and represent both the producers and the uh and the meat packers and that'd be like uh going through a divorce and having the same lawyer for you and your wife really yeah so do they i assume they wind up tending to favor the the meat packers yeah they have um what's the saying he he who uh it's the golden rule he who controls the gold makes the rules and uh you know it's the really tragic thing is is in the 80s i think uh we the cattle producers voted in a checkoff system where every time an animal sold a dollar goes to the national beef checkoff

and it's they collect about 80 billion 80 million dollars a year from cattle producers all over the country and unfortunately the cash national cattlemen's beef association uh pretty much controls that checkoff and they use a lot of the money that we send in that's a government mandated program to lobby against us and there's a lot of dissatisfaction with the checkoff program right now and the checkoff is needed uh we need it to to fight you know bad information about the health and safety of beef uh and bad information that's going on about uh cows ruining the environment and cows ruining your or beef ruining your health uh so it's a it's a much needed program but unfortunately we don't have any ability to amend the checkoff most people that

are paying into the checkoff nowadays never had a say on whether there was even a checkoff it's been so long ago that it was instituted that's sort of like being thrust into the fiat monetary system you're just born into and you're like forced to use it you're like wait a second i don't want to use this yeah and that's interesting that they would use that money to lobby against actual producers like why aren't incentives aligned again you said the golden rule who has the gold so it sounds like the bee packers

have the gold and they're they're controlling like how do you better align incentives I guess you have to separate you have to separate

the money from from any lobbying organization it's got to be for the good of the cattle industry as a whole

good of the beef industry as a whole right now it's not it's you got to separate trade organizations from controlling the money. Yeah.

Yeah. It's very interesting because we had, are you aware of the beef initiative down here in Texas? I've heard a little bit about it. Yeah.

So we've had Texas Slim on and Cole Bolton runs KNC Cattle here in Austin a few times over the last eight months and they're trying to, they're really trying to decentralize the processing part of it specifically get more processing plants locally here in texas and then take that message to tennessee and colorado or

their next targets and somebody who was pretty ignorant to the just the state of food at large cattle uh more specifically than the message and the aims of the beef initiative really seem to make sense to me in terms of further decentralizing the processing of the beef and delivery of it away from these large meat packing.

I agree. My fear is that we'll get a bunch of regionalized and regionally and independently controlled packing plants and the big four

will exert, flex their muscle and crowd them out of the market and they won't have anybody to sell to. Won't have any big grocery stores to sell to. And then they'll go under. Meatpackers will buy them for cents on the dollar. So how would, is there a way to protect? Yeah.

How do we? I haven't figured that one out yet. All right. Is it on the consumer to go direct to? Oh, it's got to be. It's got to be on the consumer, both in trying to buy as much direct and locally as you can and if they want the healthiest beef on the planet and and uh beef that is grown in a humane and regenerative way that's that those

type of people are you know when you buy directly from the farmer farmer lives lives there he lives with those animals he lives on the land he's not going to abuse his animals he's not going to abuse the land and uh that's a good way to do it but they also have to start talking to congress because they gotta they gotta start letting congress know that this is a very important issue to them congress is not going to listen to us as producers they're going to listen to voters we're a very small voting block voting minority so we gotta yeah i mean i think more voters are starting to wake up there that people are saying And then the beef is going to get a lay of caviar.

It's going to be a luxury item, which is crazy to think about. When you talk about the picture of people on the beach in the 70s, but if you've ever seen the picture of the pricing at a butcher shop, it was easy to go to your local butcher, get a cheap steak. It was part of the diet before the FDA came in with the food period. It was a staple. yeah and now it's going to be a luxury item which is insane to think i hope not but you might be right i mean uh all right do you or do you know about the story uh of how the how we got this way

as far as uh our diet uh what's his name key not keys or the keys yeah ansel keys well just like anything america needs to be focused on a crisis and president eisenhower had a had a heart attack So there was a lot of congressional interest in how do we prevent heart attacks. Ansel Keys was a, I guess he was a scientist. I don't think he was a physician. And he had a theory that animal products and fat caused heart disease. And he set out to prove his point. And he initially set out to do epidemiologic studies, causation and correlation.

um do epidemiologic studies and show improve his theory um problem was a lot of studies i mean a lot of countries disproved his theory well he cherry picked his data and only i think he only included seven eight nine countries out of 20 some that he initially set out studying and he and he presented this to congress and this was again a political football and congress uh there was a lot of opposition to it but it was uh first uh politicization of our food um and like in so many other things the government got it wrong it's crazy to think of how bad they got it wrong now like having that because i mean i grew up on the food pyramid you look at it it's like eat a bunch of sugar it literally has sugar on it which

well when they took fat out you should stay away from i think 1978 they came out with the first set of dietary goals and the next year was dietary guidelines were born but when they when you take fat out of food it doesn't taste very good and so they about to say we had the perfect storm about the same time the sugar lobby paid harvard three harvard researchers to prove that sugar didn't cause diabetes so we had take food out of take fat out of food tastes like crap let's put sugar in it and sugar is highly addictive okay highly addictive i think about going back to like being a 90s kid i think it was a two liter soda at the table drink eating fun dip you're literally dipping licking a stick and dipping it in a bag of sugar uh it's like drinking gatorades at baseball

games thinking that was like hydrating you yeah did we go insane as a society like it sounds like it doesn't it right like how anomalous is this period of the last five decades since the 70s gosh I don't know

because I'm paying attention now and I wasn't paying attention in the 70s all right I think like how just going

back to those pictures alone then you even have those old time videos you can go all the way back to like 1920 of those kids in

Times Square like looking at a video camera I don't know if you've ever seen this video but it's fascinating just seeing people of that era look at a video camera for the first time but again everybody's wearing a suit everybody's felt you have to imagine there weren't many drastic changes to diet before that period um a thousand years leading up to it were probably uh pretty pretty stable in terms of the foods that were available because we have

the technology to manipulate it that much and then 1970s the industrialization industrialization of food and the continuation of that until today talking about like 50 years which really isn't that much time in the grand scheme of things really throwing a wrench in a well-functioning society and like but then what does that do as a doctor as a physician food affects the brain right and what does that do for the mental health of a society and what are the externalities that come with that? Yeah, I never really, you know, I do know food affects the brain

and that's a great point that you bring up. You know, are we having all these crazy things happen because of food? I know that one way to cure anxiety and depression is a carnivore diet. I mean, that does a great job at helping a lot of people with mental health issues in addition to physical health issues um you know back when

when i ate a regular standard american diet uh i don't think i was as happy as i am now i definitely didn't feel as good didn't sleep as good i had a lot more physical ailments um but i think happiness was affected too so you know the brain is a really a complicated complicated organ yeah and then i mean you pull back it's like the pharma industry it's like oh you're depressed you're not feeling well let's not worry about preventative care like changing your diet here's a here's a xanax take one a day yeah then you have people literally bragging about there and there was like a tiktok theme that i caught wind of a couple months ago where it was like a big thing for a group of

people in a room so like you pan the camera over to one individual and they'd be like here's how much xanax i take a day and the next like here's how much i've been prescribed and like bragging about their ssri distribution it's like what is going on with the world i don't know i've not seen that before um i know pain medicine uh was i mean uh the government is trying to get that under control um but uh you know big farmer was was able to manipulate a lot of data with pain medication and the problems that we have with opioid abuses at crisis levels right now yeah My wife and I just watched, it was Dopesick, the show about the book about the way the Purdue Pharma and Oxycontin ravaged Appalachia specifically. And then really dove deep into the incentives, not only of the doctors, but the salesmen.

I even had a lawyer contact me from Purdue Pharma, and I don't know how I came in contact with initially, and he was representing Purdue Pharma, and he did his best to try and convince me that OxyContin was safe. So you stayed away from OxyContin as a physician? I'm not saying I didn't prescribe it, and I haven't prescribed it. When we have to prescribe pain medication for people, I tell people that have chronic pain, however, I mean, pain medicine is good for acute pain, but I tell people who have chronic pain, I said, they talk or they want more pain medication, more pain medication. I said, well, you know, it's habit-forming and addictive, and pretty soon, you know, you build up a tolerance, and you not only have one problem, you have two problems. you have chronic pain and you have addiction. And you explain things to people in that manner to people and not many of them can really argue with you

and hopefully keep people from using or relying on chronic pain medications. Yeah. That's, being from Philadelphia, it was considered the per capita of the world at one point. and people driving down to Florida literally to go to the CVS's down there get as many pills as they can and come up

bring it back to Philly and distribute throughout the college scene and particularly kids my age had a lot of friends who fell down that path it's just extremely sad to see yeah there are not many families

in this world or in this country that aren't somehow affected by addiction and overdose chronic pain medications and substance abuse so we're talking about

a lot of large overarching problems whether it be with food medicine people reacting to propaganda what do you think is driving anything that's more

bad leadership lack of personal responsibility combination of all we need better leaders we need better critical thinking skills yeah absolutely all of that um the leadership problem i i don't know how to to fix that um you know our you you referenced uh thomas jefferson and our founding fathers laid out a really good plan that government should not be a way of life it should be a little bit of a hardship and you you know real people real citizens should run the

government and we've sort of gotten into this mode where we have all these career politicians and uh everybody sees that you know they're making fortunes out of their their careers um so i'm one of those that thinks we need to institute term limits hopefully people would be trying to do the right thing as opposed to

being trying to get reelected yeah I'm a big proponent of term limits and then if you're going to make a new law

you have to delete two it's crazy again talking about New Ordeal Liberty that book

was given to me by a freak and it dives into Thomas Jefferson's correspondence letters that he

had with other founding fathers and politicians and citizens and his friends at the time and it's just really interesting to see how they viewed the importance of setting a good base for the republic during washington's first term as president and it's so like we're so disconnected from the let me ask you a question the ideals that this country was do you think our founding fathers ever exempted themselves from a law that they passed i know hamilton did did he really yeah he was a bad he was a bad treasury but most of them no i think they were i mean and it's shines through in this book where the amount of thoughts and the the weight that these individuals felt on their shoulders while while architecting the base for for this republic weighed heavy on

them are here it doesn't seem like it weighs too heavily on many politicians that exist today they seem to have a habit of exempting themselves from the laws they pass oh yeah um can insider trade mandates all the congressmen and their staff from were were exempt from oh the clot shot oh they were yeah is that well that's not well known is it i don't know yeah um you know that and you know affordable care act they exempted themselves from that too they don't have to you don't have to contribute to it or they don't have to they don't have to they don't have to use it they don't have to use it and i call it the unaffordable or unaffordable care act why do you call that because most people's insurance doubled yeah and covered

less um yeah so most unaffordable care act most people want uh canadian or british or european health care systems here though this is what happens when when you when you

export that that model to the united states no it's great i mean i was 26 when the affordable care act came to be or it when they signed a law 2010 uh 12 i can't remember i forget well when i got kicked off my parents plan um at 26

i was like i'm not paying i don't want to pay for this it's too expensive little did i know i got fined um like 1200 bucks i think they have since rescinded the fine if you don't pay for it but it was literally fine for making a personal decision like i'm young i'll risk it i really want health care but but you needed ob coverage yeah it's uh uh yeah it's what i've been describing on this show and in the newsletter for some time now is that what i try to highlight and hope to really break through to people is that and i think everything we've been discussing today highlights the fact that many systems are complex the food systems complex medical human body is complex money is complex it should not be centrally planned

like i'm trying to beat into people's head that use the heuristic like if you have a complex system that is being centrally controlled it is inevitably going to result in in negative externalities because you can inherently not control a complex system centrally it will lead to to bad results yeah the soviet union was perfect example of that wasn't it yeah i mean look what's going on now uh you know we're talking about i mean the biden administration's reaction to the whole energy crisis has been i mean we haven't even touched on energy yet which is the basis of all all of our productive capacity here and it it's hard not to look at everything that's going on from energy to food to the covid reaction with vaccines and stuff and i

people trying to destroy the economy um because it's energy specifically it's like you talk about like soviet type of control i think that's what's leading to a lot of ironically the problems that are bustling up over russia and ukraine is uh we've shifted a lot of leverage into russia's and the west has by idiot by having idiotic energy policy where it's like hey we're going to get a unreliable wind and solar we're going to shut down our nuclear power plants our coal power plants and we're going to become heavily reliant on your natural gas russia and when shit hits the fan russia's going to do what they want and western europe's finding out like oh shit we really need that natural gas it's been back up the coal plants and then here in the

united states um we're falling down into that trap too trying to centrally control something as complex as an energy market is really putting society in a precarious situation because again energy is the basis it's affecting food it's affecting like i'm like talking about going back to jersey this summer and it's becoming very apparent that people are running out of diesel on the east coast like if i go home to jersey are they going to be able to get food to where I live, to the grocery stores near me. You're making too much sense. It's complex, but common sense still plays a big part.

Why is common sense so lacking? You think people are just lazy? You think it has something to do with education? I think there's a lot of intellectual laziness out there. Where does it stem from? do people like to be told what to do some people do it yes you don't know I don't I think it's Linda intellectual laziness I think it's just going along people just not paying attention up until now their lives have been really

good now we're seeing some things that may be some signs that the next generation may not have it as good as my generation had. Tough times make strong, tough men.

You know, good times make weak men. Yeah. How do you break that cycle? That's what I worry about.

I mean, let's say we are transitioning from like, hard times create strong men. Yeah. I'm not going

to thrust this. I'm like, let's just say like, these are the hard times that make millennial zoomers whatever strong men let them make good times and i think about my son

my sons now i'm gonna say plural i had another son the other week um how do you make sure they don't become a weak man a good father yeah be involved in their life is that a good example um live it live it and make sure they see it what do you mean by live it live a good moral life and and uh try to teach them right from wrong yeah don't don't expect somebody else to teach your child um definitely don't let the internet teach them no well that's i guess your family is a good example is how how long has the the ranch been in your family uh i might i'm the eighth generation to live in rapahannock county virginia um but the the cattle ranch i'm i'm the third generation and my children would be the fourth and if if they decide to go on

with it uh and then my grandchildren would be the fifth generation if one of them are decided to go on with it um so yeah three generations how to make it three we won't even talk about four or five how did it make it three yeah i got infected with the cattle bug yeah yeah as a young man yeah um tell you a little story um my dad and i my dad was my hero and uh one of the one of the funnest things that i did when i was a little kid was like we would go out when it cooled off in the summertime and we'd go check the cattle and look at them say i like that one which one you like the best blah blah talk about them and uh he had me out there one time he said son what do you want to do when you grow up i said dad i want to i want to raise

cattle i want to be a rancher he said well you better find a damn good job so i think i took his advice um and uh yeah it's just in my blood it's in my blood yeah then i mean knowing uh your daughter it's not a lot it seems like you've raised uh incredible children they're raising we're very proud of all of our children yeah very proud of them and they uh they're good people they have good strong values and they're hard workers uh and they care about other people i can confirm uh this is true this is uh no and it's it's great to see and like as again going back to being a father myself relatively new to the game but it is crazy once you have children i'll quickly your mind shifts to holy crap i have a crazy effect on this individual's

and it takes two people to raise a children it's very hard to raise children by yourself and i could give all the credit in my world to have all the credit in the world to my wife on how good i we think that our children uh turned out i mean i hopefully was a good example um and i and i was very much involved in but she was she was the one that really raised them because i you know i was out i was working i was working my butt off i was working my butt off on the on the cattle farm and i was working my butt off in in medicine and uh you know we made a conscious decision that she wouldn't work until the children were out of you know basically out of in in in school she did a great job thank you

i'm missing miller's sitting right here you did an incredible job both of you both of you did and that's uh no i think we're fortunate and that's a shame right now in today's day and age most people don't have that luxury is it a luxury not even a luxury no i mean i mean both of them you know, to make a go of it with the cost of everything and taxes and you got to have two jobs. Yeah. You know?

Yeah. I mean, that's another heart harpening back to the 70s, the site WTF happened in 1971. It's crazy to see the chart of like having a dual income household just explode from that level when we went off the gold standard that's why i'm so passionate about bitcoin part of the reason why i'm so passionate but i do think that sound money is an imperative to get us back to a point in society where we can have stronger families and parents being able to focus on their children instead of having to focus on

going to get a paycheck that is going to be completely decimated by taxes and then duly decimated by inflation diminishment of your purchasing power over time we live in a society where people are just on this hamster wheel let's get the paycheck, both parents hop in the car at 9

put your kids on the bus, hop in the car go to work, work paycheck to paycheck struggle to just stay afloat and it's really weird that this has been normalized on a grand scale

I think people just expect, I think we were saying, you're just born, you know, this is the way it works, but I don't think this is the way it should work or has to work. People like to be taken care of. Yeah. They want the government to take care of them. Yeah. But I don't know. I've seen the effects of not having like strong families or most importantly, like a mother and a father. Oh, absolutely.

I don't want to discount that at all. I mean, I think, I don't know what the, I can't quote the statistics, but your chance of going to prison if you're raised by one person versus two goes way up. Yeah, family is definitely extremely important in growth and development of our society. Yeah, that's weird. We've gotten to a point where like millennials are, and then my friends are my family. My coworkers are my family. for a lot of people not all of us but yeah wait until tough times happen there's nobody nobody like family yeah we were saying in covid yeah you guys had the experience of having your

daughters come home and having everybody under the same roof and really bond during that time i've talked about silver linings we had that happen my family as well um and it's all about family that's one thing i feel very fortunate obviously my parents incredible parents they were around for myself my brother my sister and very good parents focusing on our education and making sure we're thinking critically and not lacking authority and beyond that too i have aunts and uncles and very fortunate that in my extended family as well there's not one divorce got a lot of cousins that's amazing yeah i think we're we're pretty good there too So, you know, we've been, we're a divorce or two and not anybody in my, yeah, yeah, my immediate family.

I retract that statement. You're pretty unusual. Or your family's pretty unusual. No, again, I feel very fortunate. Obviously, there's been tough times, but feeling big Irish Catholic family and pushed through it all. And, uh, it's weird because I feel like I feel so normal to me and being like brothers and sisters with my cousins and I'm really close relationships with my aunts and uncles. And, um, most people don't have that. I think everybody should have it. It's a good feeling. That support group, that safety net. Sounds like you're going home to Pennsylvania. I told Parker

when I was coming down here it was only going to be a few years and then on my wife's side too our family's very strong very close together it's weird

it was my wife was best friends with my cousin growing up so our families already knew each other very well

it was just maybe there could be a case for arranged marriages like it does make sense that the parents align well and have good values has made it very easy for us as we've grown our family.

Maybe we're drifting too far into family values here, but I do want to stress that to anybody listening at home. It's something you should strive for. I know it's hard. A lot of people my age are like, no, we're not going to have kids.

It's too expensive. Yeah, I just don't understand that. Why? I just don't understand that. the love that the joy and the happiness that children bring you it's just incredible

it's indescribable yeah the bond that you have with them it's they're missing out if they don't have children that's all I have to say

yeah and I think you'll find a way too I think about my parents were young they were only 21 which wasn't always young but in the early 90s it was relatively young

and they were still in college they found a way yeah we did we we found a way I wasn't making much money as a

fourth year medical student when we got married yeah yeah then once the kids arrived I wasn't making anything I mean you talk about motivation like

Like, I don't make enough money for a kid. Have a kid and you'll make enough money to support a child. Well, you know, we, and we were living off Ann's salary. She was a nurse. She was a nurse at the time. And I don't think we felt like we lacked anything. We had, we had all we needed, you know? Yeah.

That's. More money we make now, the more and more we spend. More money, more problems. Biggie had it right when he was spitting that into the mic. the uh yeah are we going to solve all the world's problems on this one podcast we're going to solve beef medical industry building stronger families what is the building stronger families would solve a lot of the world's issues i i agree with that yeah and it's yeah now we're going to get like education and

just seeing everything going on in the public schooling sector particularly it seems like there's like again going back to this theme that's always been in the back of my mind sometimes they call me marty jones and alex jones like character here on tftc because it seems like they're trying to just demolish modern society whether it be via food the vaccine rollouts and then you get to schooling and it seems like there's just like an active campaign to separate children from their parents allow the public schooling system to tell children what is moral what is ethical what is correct um again it's getting to the point where they're trying to mandate that yeah we had a governor candidate in the state of virginia this past election who lost uh lost the race based on

that right there what was he right i remember this it was uh terry mccullough was was former governor of virginia and uh running in what virginia at that time was leaning really strongly democratic and i think we had a couple school board incidents where parents came and spoke about you know things that were being taught in the public school system and how they disagreed with it. And McAuliffe made a fatal error when he said parents shouldn't

be telling the school systems what to teach their children. That's the school system's responsibility. And he lost. And I think he probably wouldn't have lost if he didn't say that.

He messed with people's kids and you don't mess with people's kids no you do not mess with people's kids but it really gets into the mind of how like the state thinks like no we we know what's best yeah and every data point that you look at whether it be health care at the universal health care more expensive less coverage food shittier food making you unhealthy leading to crazy diseases throughout society schooling objectively making people dumber throughout time the public schooling system is abysmal americans are getting dumber and dumber by the year yeah we're definitely

dumbing down the public school system as a as a society yeah so every one of those instances you point the government intervention has made things materially we're like it's undeniable that things have been made materially worse off by the government putting their hand in it which is really perplexing at a time when everybody is pointing and begging it seems it seems the government to solve a lot of these systemic issues particularly around food and energy right now and inflation um and there's i think i want to force everybody to read the ordeals of liberty uh and and understand that the government isn't here they're not going to save us it's just literally a definition of insanity

to keep going back to the government to tweak their policies to fix the problems that exist today. And what's the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results. Exactly, exactly. I think this is getting to a baffling point

where I try to stay apolitical here and point out that, I mean, a lot of it's administration agnostic because of lack of term limits, really. It doesn't matter who's president at any given point in time, meet the new boss, same as the old boss. I think there's been a material degradation in the quality of government services over time, no matter who's Republican, Democrat. it yeah if you uh if you don't vote party line um they'll find somebody to primary out the next

time yeah it's it's nuts what do you think about like the prospects of something like bitcoin taking away the power of the government well my fear is that the government is going to prevent it how are they going to do it i don't know i don't know they i mean i don't know how they're going to do it but that's one of the reasons that i and i am so excited about bitcoin myself is the freedom that it that it uh gives us yeah i feel like yeah i mean i'm willing to die on the bitcoin literally i don't want to die i have two young boys a wife that i love big family that i love as well i just described i don't want to die but i think this bitcoin is worth dying for because i think it's that imperative like it's getting to such a point in society where if we

don't begin to take away power from the government and i think taking away the power of money which is in the hands of the central bank and the government they're sort of merged at this point is probably the most effective thing you can do yeah um i don't want to put you i know you're president of the u.s cattlemen's association i want to make force you to say anything uh-huh um but i worry i worry about where where we're headed as a society and uh what really scares me is a world economic forum yeah those guys don't even try to hide what their intentions are no um that's the thing they look like such villains they look like james bond villains yeah the way

they look the way they talk that's the other thing you know let's talk about like politicians the one that comes to mind he's not even a politician he's just the transportation secretary Buttigieg when these people talk it's like you look like a drone

you sound like a drone you don't sound there's no authenticity in any of any of the way they posture publicly and you take that to

the world economic forum and it's put on crack you just have Klaus Schwab saying this is the way the world's going to be terrible accent there but you'll own nothing

and you'll be happy about it. Yeah. And we know better than you. Again, talk about like authority. That's the scary thing about the World Economic Forum. They're a supranational, unelected sort of body

that seems to be forcing economic action globally. Where it's like, who voted for you? I didn't ask for the world. I didn't ask for Klaus Schwab. I didn't have a say in whether or not

you can affect my day-to-day life, but you do. A lot of people don't know anything about them. A lot of people, I mean, I bring up the World Economic Forum in a lot of different circles, and I'm not familiar with them. Yeah. Not familiar with that. Well, you better get familiar because they have a lot of influence on a lot of what's going on in the world.

Yeah. But again, with that being said, I am overall optimistic because, again, these people are so obviously villains. and i don't think they can they can keep up in the me more with people like bitcoiners or just we're going to ridicule them that's what we have to do is to begin just ridiculing these people you're short your voice is annoying and you're you're objectively wrong you're you're a hypocrite too i mean yep yep he sure is i mean the brand paul um questioning of him last week about the incentives with the royalties um i think was very telling when you lie and you explain why you lied and tried to justify your lie by explaining why you

lie that's a bad sign what what was this particular lie oh well you know early on during the the pandemic he was telling people not to wear masks yeah it didn't work and he flip-flopped well the reason i lied is because there was a shortage of mask i didn't want a shortage of mask for our medical personnel that's hogwash i think there's any in shortage of shortage of cloth i mean i mean he he blatantly lied and then he tried to justify to the american people why he lied no and well now it's with the lie with the vaccines too is doubling and tripling yeah they're They're doubling down on, you know, the original vaccine with the original variant may have had some benefit in high-risk people. But now the virus has changed so much.

It's, from my understanding and what I see on the ground floor, you know, in medicine, I don't see it preventing disease or severity of disease. People are dying still. The people that die are the people that are obese and have diabetes and cardiovascular disease, whether you've been vaccinated or not. But for them to continue to double down on an outdated vaccine, I mean, it'd be like giving the flu vaccine from 10 years ago. And, you know, there's a good argument to say that the mass vaccination actually accelerated the rate of development of mutations and variants. Yeah. Put a selection pressure on what you're actually vaccinating for. And the variant started replicating at a higher rate because it wasn't as affected by the vaccine. Yeah, that was another early thought I had about the vaccine role. I was like, everything, again, because I wanted to think critically about your research, everything historically in terms of reactions to pandemics, one of the big things that people said was don't vaccinate during the beginning stages of a pandemic because of... Gert Vandenbosch was the first person that I heard say this, is a Belgian virologist.

You select for mutant variants, and that's what we've done. Then you have the risk of ADE, too, is that what it's called? Antibody-dependent immune enhancement. What's happening is, you know, the vaccine, I don't even want to call it a vaccine. it's a therapy because it's not a traditional vaccine a traditional vaccine is inject someone with

either an altered or killed viral particle but this is genetic therapy but the vaccine is causing the production of spike protein and we develop antibodies to spike protein

and the antibodies attached to the spike protein on the virus well if the virus is changing the spike protein is changing and it's changed significantly enough where these antibodies these antibodies that have been induced by the mrna therapy do have an affinity for the spike but they don't prevent it from latching on to the ace receptors in the cells but they actually prevent your natural antibodies from latching on. So this actually enhances severity of disease and harms your innate immune system.

I mean, this will probably definitely get us kicked off YouTube, but is the vaccine giving people AIDS? That's like one of the questions that's been in my mind, especially if you get one booster, two boosters. People really have the inability to separate AIDS from HIV,

not understanding that it's like autoimmune. Like it's just- Acquired immune deficiency syndrome. In other words, is it creating an immune deficiency in people? I don't know. I think it's harming immune systems. It's not per se giving them HIV that I know of.

No. I mean, anything's- You can get AIDS without HIV, correct? Not that I know of. No? No. No? No.

Uh-uh. AIDS is a syndrome induced by destruction of our immune system by the human immunodeficiency virus. I've never heard, I may be ignorant, but I've never heard of someone getting AIDS without being infected with HIV. Yeah. I mean, it seems like we don't know the long-term effects of this. It literally has not been enough time. I mean, here we have a protein that's being, or a genetic material that's being injected in our body

that's programming our cells to do something. What possibly could go wrong? I mean, it's only going to do this one thing. Not. no and you have examples of strokes cardiovascular problems yeah that's that's the direct result of the spike protein but what i'm saying is is what is the mrna doing to our genetic code is it doing anything else is it turning off this gene turning on that gene over time i think and the more the more you get the more you you know the more it's affected uh

There's a pathologist that we follow out of Idaho named Ryan Cole, and he's seeing a definite uptick in cancer diagnoses and reactivations of cancers. And there's a lot of support for the theory that this actually turns off some genes that are for cancer prevention and surveillance of cancer. pretty scary stuff yeah like what if this like you've

I've heard the the scary possibilities with myocarditis specifically where your chance of death within five years

is increased by 25% at 10 years like 50% like is there and you've had some virologists

warn And again, it may not be obvious in 2022, 2023 even, but if we hit 2025 and you have a three, four year lagging effect from this, like we wake up in two years and be like, holy shit, what the hell do we do? Because of the amount of people that it affects. Yeah, you're right. yeah um you know uh i've been not i've been proud to to say that ann and i did not get vaccinated um more because we trusted our own immune system to fight this infection than we did on unknown what we considered an experimental technology yeah and uh but unfortunately people were bombarded with propaganda saying it was

safe and effective. And healthcare providers all over the country were just parroting it's safe and effective without even considering possible ramifications. Well, it's very clear

it's not effective at this point. I think it's very clear it's not safe, too. Yeah. This is a scary conversation because it's like, what are the ramifications

of the safety the lack of safety in us is a delayed response. Do we wake up in 2025 with, and again, we're not saying this is going to happen, we're just playing thought experiments here, YouTube,

we're trying to have a conversation, critically think through this. Is there a possibility we wake up in two years? I don't know, there's studies coming out that it temporarily reduces sperm count in men. Are we creating a children of men moment

where it's going to be impossible for people who are associated with a vaccine to have children at some point? I think, I don't know what's going to happen, but there are a lot of possibilities that aren't good. And that's why I always get back to risk and reward. What's the risk of taking the vaccine and what's the reward?

And I think for most healthy adults, the risk is there and there's really not any reward. And now with the mutations, the the reward really is i don't think they're there for anybody no matter your risk especially we have safe and effective treatments now um and the risk only compounds as you get more and more exactly yeah the spike protein is is truly pathogenic it it uh damages it damages a lot organs cardiovascular system the endothelial wall the vascular system it's doing things that we've never ever seen before causing such a wide variety of potential side effects

do you think there will be justice for those who have been adversely affected by this like do we like i think we need to i don't know why fauci's still on tv do we throw out the fda do we throw out the cdc why does the world health organization exist why do we why do we cater to these that seem to be just figureheads that well it's the american people that have to do that they have to demand it if it's going to happen because if we keep the status quo it's nothing nothing's going to happen that's what i worry about the sunk cost fallacy where people don't want to believe that they've and duped yeah it's hard to it's hard to uh it's hard to admit you're wrong yeah you talk about like other like people are like uh obviously drones and look like evil characters like lane

owen um walensky at the fda and you see these people at press conferences the way they speak their articulation their their inflection uh it's very scripted it's very like they're actors trying to what i can't understand is how they have any credibility they've been wrong so many times if you take this vaccine you will not get covid how many times did you hear people say that it was this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated i mean that's one of my favorite like clip clip uh the clip series is the falling effectiveness of the vaccine. It's 100% effective. It's 90% effective.

It's 75% effective. It's 33% effective after three months. What about all the people that have taken it and that have gotten COVID and they come out and say, I'm glad I got my shot. It would have been so much worse if I hadn't. That's the latest.

I would have been dead. I remember, we were seeing a lot of people that had been fully vaccinated come down with COVID and I was talking about this and

people would attack you that's not true I was seeing it because of all the propaganda but you know the latest is it mitigates disease

you might get it but you won't get as sick I mean I got I call it the Delta variant, unvaccinated. I mean, I got pretty sick, but I survived. It wasn't the worst flu I've ever had. Well, up until Omicron, we rarely saw someone get COVID twice. If you saw someone get COVID twice, most likely one of the two times was a false positive

because they were running the PCR test so many cycles and concentrating the genetic material so much that they were calling things COVID that weren't COVID. um if you realize i mean there was no such thing as influenza the first year we had covid right no such thing completely eradicated so i think initially uh but i think omicron has changed enough where it is infecting people that um that uh have previously had covid but at not an extremely high rate but it's not uncommon but thankfully if you survive covid the first time your chance most likely of surviving again are pretty doggone good yeah especially with treatment that was another thing people just forgot about was like how viruses work like viruses want to

survive at the end of the day so they become less virulent over time yeah yeah that common sense went out the window i think yep and and that's looks that's been the pattern i mean uh delta was a little bit more infective and less deadly than the original version i don't know whether it was alpha or what what they call just covet 19 and omicron has become a lot more infective but a lot less um deadly in most people and some people get very very sick from it still though i mean people still do die from it although um not on a percentage basis i don't think as many as the previous variants yeah again i'm at like critical conversation about this like people see individuals like ourselves

talking bad about the vaccine saying you're denying COVID but you're a doctor you've treated COVID patients I've had COVID it's real I'm definitely not a COVID denier it affects people

it affected me pretty aggressively not going to lie I survived, took ivermectin a slew of other medications that were over the counter not expensive and it forced me to get an injection

but that's the other thing where did this come from like what are your thoughts on the origin of the virus did it come I mean is it becoming consensus

that it was the Wuhan lab I don't have any independent knowledge but it sure looks like that yeah and if so the NIH is supporting

that lab like why was it being worked on because it's illegal to do it in the continental United States Fort Tiedrich

you can't do it there I don't think you're not supposed to i mean congress had a law and i don't know when but you're not supposed to be able to uh work on gain of function yeah and uh they just they just farmed it out it's like uh we farmed out our oil industry right like what does this like why are they even working on that is there from a doctor's perspective is there any sensible reason that you would be working on gain of function? Personally, I cannot think of any sensible reason

other than germ warfare. Yeah, right? Yeah. I can't think of any reason why you would do that. Sure didn't seem to help us out in this pandemic either, did it? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It was conveniently timed though after a spasm in the repo markets in 2019. That's where like the Marty Jones comes out. It's like, all right, did they release this germ warfare because the financial systems in such a dire strait?

Or are these people really Malthusians who do think we should depopulate the world? Well, you have one guy that's sort of self-appointed at directing the pandemic response who's into eugenics. People don't really understand that either. Yeah.

what is what is Fauci's history of eugenics Bill Gates yeah yeah

Bill Gates father was a famous eugenicist yeah Boris Johnson's father was a famous eugenicist really

I didn't know that yeah but again you two I'm just asking questions are we allowed

to free and free and open flow of conversation and information yeah why am I

crazy for asking these questions why am i why is it dangerous to ask these questions that's another thing why could this get pulled from youtube why could it get a little disclaimer on it definitely get a disclaimer on spotify potentially twitter why why can't we ask these questions like that's what i want people at home who may be skeptical of this conversation it's like yeah you may not have to agree with everything we're saying or believe everything that we're saying but should we be able to say in the first place i think so absolutely we have a constitution that says so yeah we have to worry about disinformation

what was that again we have to worry about disinformation you got to tell people what is disinformation what is it it's safe and effective wasn't disinformation i don't think it's ever been labeled as such either yeah it's it's pretty bad when um you think the disinformation police are the ones actually spreading the disinformation yeah yeah i'm probably getting in a lot of trouble yeah oh my bad what do you think all right why the speaking truth in an insane world that was the title of the podcast like why can't again where are we in society if we can have this conversation i'm sorry if i'm getting you in trouble thank god i'm self-employed i can't help myself i'm sorry you're not getting

yourself in trouble i'm i'm the one i know but i'm sorry if i'm getting you in trouble i don't want to get anybody in trouble you're not getting me in trouble i'll be all right you should be able to speak truth absolutely i'm i'm a i'm a big uh believer in that freedom of speech and truth and trying to get to the truth and again this is we're just trying to have just ask questions here that's weird that's been the weirdest thing again going back to like my anti-authority tool like don't tell me what to do don't tell me not to ask questions don't that just makes me more skeptical yeah um and you're not the first doctor you're the third doctor to come on and have that moment on the show or someone again drop get in trouble doc doc woods from wyoming

and Dr. Mary Kerr from here in Dallas all within the last eight months. And it's so weird to me that upstanding individuals like yourselves who seem to have incredible careers where you actually care for your patients and do good work and you're coming from the best of intentions,

just having these types of conversations are worried. like what does that say about the state of our world um i think it says things are pretty up excuse my language yeah you know i mean are you familiar with a great barrington declaration no great barrington declaration was authored by three world round scientists uh sunetra gupta of of Oxford, I think, Martin Kulldorff of Harvard, and Jay Bhattacharya from Stanford. And they came out with a paper

that talked about focused protection of society and people at risk and how the public health response should be that as opposed to locking down everybody that lockdowns wouldn't work to be actually harmful, which they have proven to be on multiple fronts. Right after the Great Barrington Declaration came out, there were emails between Francis Collins,

then the director of the CDC, I think, and Anthony Fauci stating that they needed a swift and strong takedown of this document and the fringe scientists that wrote it. Can you imagine the fringe scientists that wrote it? One of the doctors from Oxford, very reputable scientist. That's the other thing,

the science meme that came through. No, but those were the emails that got Freedom of Information Act. Yeah. Yeah. And so again, we have this evidence that there was some coordination and so that's this is where like the media comes into it the media is a big cog in this disinformation machine

ironically enough because they're the media is supposed to keep everybody honest and unfortunately they're just part of the process right now yeah part of the problem like look at me i'm just some idiot from philadelphia who likes bitcoin i don't want to have this i don't want to be the one like airing these conversations i'm not saying that like this is the biggest platform in the world but nobody else is having them in the mainstream and again people are saying don't have that conversation so i'm like all right i want to go have it um but like yeah there's nobody doing the public a service of giving a perspective outside of the one that's being force-fed to them our republic is dependent upon a free and um non-biased media and we've lost that um the the media is so

polarized uh it's it's scary yeah they um they're supposed to be the watchdogs they're supposed to look for truth regardless of your ideology and unfortunately they're controlled by these oligarchs and the watch dogs have turned into lap dogs yeah or rather uh no it's yeah it's it's sort of disgusting and i've become even though we were talking about i was on made an appearance on tucker carlson i like tucker um but still that format of just cable news it's just again it's inherently like yucky to me it's like this doesn't even it seems like overproduced production um a play if you will um whereas not like honest conversations like this happening at that i obviously i've never been on tucker carlson don't know tucker carlson but uh

it seems like i have been on a couple of news programs and it seems like the people that are interviewing you want to get a certain response they don't they want to direct your response and if it fits with their ideology that's what they're looking for

as opposed to just telling the truth yeah have I been have I been trying to fit

my narrative here no because you haven't you haven't been we've just been talking

yeah you've allowed me to talk and no not at all all right no you

this has just been a conversation this has been awesome I think I think as well Thank you for opening it up. I'm sorry if I made you. No, don't get that at all. I mean, I was just being a light moment. Ann and I were in Dallas. We were invited to a dinner party, and Peter McCullough and his wife were there, and John Leake and his mom.

We all had a dinner party. It was a great conversation, and after dinner, we sat around just like this and had a conversation. and i said i knew i was coming on here i said i bet marty would like to have a video camera rolling right now because it was such a stimulating thought-provoking conversation i wish we could have after the fact we probably wouldn't have been as free as what we were with our with our speeches everywhere but it was still didn't you think it was good it was good uh yeah why But like, why can't you be as, that's the thing that like, why are you afraid to be as free as you are in that way? I mean, you see, you should keep some things private. Well, I mean, Peter's currently being investigated by the American Board of Internal Medicine to try to disbar him.

What is their justification? What is their stated justification or what is their justification? They have no justification because he completely follows the scientific evidence and he will back it up and he's taking it on. head on. He's like challenging him. Okay, let's debate this in public. Let's get this out. And so far he hasn't gotten any responses,

but that's the only way you can debate it. You've got to fight it with truth. You've got to fight with truth. You can't cower because some organization is coming at you because you're speaking against their narrative. Yeah, what is the technical justification they're trying to use? Disinformation.

Disinformation. Disinformation. A made up word. Yeah, that's why I don't like using that term because it's used too freely and it's used too much to attack people. Yeah, misinformation, disinformation, whatever are these things. They just came out of nowhere like two years ago. Yeah, it's like one of the big things with this pandemic was follow the science, follow the science. Oh, you're not following the science.

What is science? Science is literally testing a hypothesis. Exactly. And is any scientific breakthrough ever brought about by groupthink? Or is it brought about by people who think outside the box? Yeah. I mean, how was penicillin started? Yeah.

I mean, it's like I was watching this little YouTube video there, and this guy was talking about these people that were coming out of the universities, how they were made idiots. And they were just, all they could do was talk about the papers and the peer review and the randomized control studies and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He goes, he is the greatest candle maker in the world. Never even thought about the light bulb. You know? Yeah. I mean, they don't. I mean, somebody gets into what you're doing and it's all right.

And then somebody that comes up with a different idea, it's like, no, that's way out there. But that's how progress is made. Yeah. That's how Bitcoin, I think Bitcoin just came into the world. I was like, hey, this dude Satoshi figured out a way to solve the double spend problem with proof of work. And people tried digital currencies many, many times before Satoshi came. It wasn't until he combined a bunch of things that nobody was thinking about until Bitcoin actually became a thing. That's somewhat successful.

It's outside of my wheelhouse to really understand Bitcoin. But I love the concept. I absolutely love the concept. Very anti-guy. It is Frederick Hayek's sly roundabout way to take money out of the hands of government, Bitcoin. And again, I think it's desperately neat. For people that don't like to be told what to do.

That's why I fix the money, fix the world right here in this neon sign outside. Oh, cool. I think a lot of the problems that we're discussing today stem from the fact that these governments can just print money, give it to the NIH to go. invest in the wuhan lab to create gain of function covid they can subsidize corn production for high fructose corn syrup they can subsidize wind and solar energy in favor of fossil fuels

which leads to negative externalities that we've been discussing today i think below every layer that we've been discussing today is the money that enables i think the misallocation of capital and resources. Yeah, it's a good legalized money laundering operation for politicians too. Yeah. We're going to go eat some steaks later. I told Ann, I haven't told you yet,

but our refrigerator broke. We were going to cook steaks at my house, but we had to throw everything out of our refrigerator this morning after it went sour overnight. but refrigerator or freezer both combined

the freezer at my half cattle is separate thank god so that's fine we don't have everything we need to prepare a meal so I think we're going to go

to a steakhouse if you're okay with that awesome I love it is there a good steakhouse in Austin there's a few I thought there would be

I think we can throw a rock outside and hit one but what about our cholesterol better better not eat that red meat it's going to kill you can we talk a little bit about that yeah let's talk okay all right well as you know i'm i'm a proponent of a animal-based carnivore diet and

we've seen uh tremendous results and benefit from curing chronic disease by putting people on a carnivore diet or a ketogenic diet or um and uh i have this conversation and i talk about the dietary guidelines and how people got uh fat and unhealthy based on the dietary guidelines and um everybody else asked me what about your cholesterol guess what is it high i don't care i mean we've been we have been getting back to the money issue in big pharma we have been basically brainwashed into thinking that cholesterol causes heart disease.

And it's not cholesterol at all. In my mind, it is inflammation. It's another correlation, not causation thing. Where they're using it, like where correlation is causation. Yeah. Does cholesterol make up part of our atherosclerotic plaque? Yeah.

but so does fibrin and other things and cholesterol is needed and used by every brain and every every cell in your body and when i look at someone's cholesterol panel i really don't pay a whole lot of attention to total and ldl cholesterol which has been the dogma in in medicine my entire medical career i look at triglycerides and hdl cholesterol those are markers of inflammation and why does a carnivore diet work why does a low carb diet work because it lowers your inflammation and how does it do that it lowers your dependence on insulin insulin is the hormone that takes blood sugar and transports it into the cells and uh feed a high carb diet got a lot of sugar running around in your body and need your pancreas needs to produce a lot of insulin insulin happens to be inflammatory

it triggers inflammatory cytokines and cells throughout our body and i tell people if cholesterol was the evil villain that big pharma has made it out to be then why is there of all the classes of drugs that they've come up with why is it only one class the statins show any statistically significant benefit in reducing heart disease all the other cholesterol drugs that pharmaceutical company has come up with have not been able to show any statistically significant reduction in the risk of heart attack and stroke probably because the mechanism is not cholesterol lowering probably because it's arterial wall stabilization and anti-inflammatory effects that the statins have

on the arterial wall and the endothelial lining. And interestingly, statins are also part of our chest of things that we can use to mitigate inflammation with COVID-19. And interestingly, the people that do so bad with COVID-19, which is an inflammatory condition, are people that are in a high inflammatory state, the obese and the diabetics, who have super high levels of insulin. So as simple as lowering your insulin requirements and your insulin.

Can going to a carnivore diet help cure something like diabetes? Absolutely. It's done it numerous times. Type 2 diabetes, not type 1. Type 2. So type 2 diabetes is a disease of obesity and insulin resistance where the insulin is not working as well and the cells aren't taking it. It takes more insulin to reduce your blood sugar.

But yeah, we've had great results in clearing up anxiety, depression, irritable bowel syndrome, inflammatory bowel disease, brain fog, arthritis, type 2 diabetes mellitus. That's what, for me personally, eczema is inflammatory, right? That's what I was, had chronic eczema my whole life until I cut sugar and went to a low-carb diet right after college. Literally, 22 years of my life, my arms, like here up, especially in the fall and winter for some reason, would be covered in eczema. Yeah, eczema is an inflammatory condition, yeah. Yeah, haven't had it for over a decade now. not once where i thought i was plagued with it for my whole life you know and studies now are showing that uh as we age lower your cholesterol the shorter time you

live really yeah i have i mean we have incidences all the time i mean heart disease is so complex uh but it's not it's not cholesterol um but people with cholesterols of 300 live in their 90s and 100s and i've heard of some doctors even wanting to put them on a cholesterol medicine and i've had people with total cholesterols 180 that undergo bypass surgery it's not cholesterol it's an inflammatory damage to the arterial walls but big pharma would have you believe that everybody has to go around with a very low cholesterol anybody with a high cholesterol needs to be on statin yeah but on top of that we need to uh to put mask on all the cows to stop the methane from i'm getting into the atmosphere you got to stop farming cows you got to eat the bugs

are the bugs healthy should we eat the bugs is that good protein i don't know if it is or not but I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it either. Oh, gosh. It's absurd to me to see these celebrities that jet set around all over the country talk about climate change.

Over the world. Yeah. I mean, it's completely absurd. We're very anti-climate change hysteria here on this podcast. I actually watched a documentary last night that 100% convinced me

that it's the sun, stupid. The sun is changing the temperature on the planet. Mother Nature is the largest, most powerful force on Earth. And the climate has been changing for millions of years. You know, we did have

an ice age at one time. Yeah. 1,400 years ago, there was a, the year 1,400, there was a mini ice age in England. Oh, really?

You're arguably coming out of that. of course it's going to get warmer when you're coming out of a nice age yeah well you know when I was a kid it was global warming and then now they're having a hard time

documenting that the world is becoming significantly warmer and so now they're calling it climate change and I remember as a teenager being taught in school

that los angeles was going to be underwater by i don't know it was it was decades ago and they were going to be underwater um if if things didn't change and the maldives shouldn't exist la is going to be going miami is going to fall into the ocean manhattan's gone as well yeah um and somebody told me this other day and i really hadn't thought about it what happens when water freezes things slow down it's expands expands so why would melting ice caps cause flooding well very good point another point too is all that ice is extremely heavy so i had patrick moore as the original founder of uh greenpeace on the show he left

greenpeace because he noticed the turn it's like some eco-terrorist organization but the one thing he said on the show that really like blew my mind was like especially like people saying glaciers melting is going to lead to like a flooding of land was like those glaciers are so heavy that when they melt uh all that weight gets off the landmass and goes into the ocean and like the landmass actually rises up because all that weight's like not compressing on it anymore and i want our listeners to to to realize i am not for pollution and dirty air yeah i'm i'm for protecting our environment but you know when you start calling carbon dioxide an environmental pollutant pollutant something that is essential for life and essential for

photosynthesis and essential for production of oxygen gone off the off the rails a little bit If you believe CO2 is a pollutant, technically we've been polluting each other the whole time we've been talking. I don't know if you know it, but you breathe out CO2 whenever you exhale. And plants use it. Yeah.

Plants use it. I want to bring back megafauna. I would love to see a great greening of the earth. That's the other thing too. You go down the line. Plants use it. Earth's actually getting greener. More people die from severe cold than severe heat.

like I'm a beach boy I love the beach I think everybody should experience the beach life we just made the whole world one big beach that'd be sweet now I'm going to get yelled at because you're not thinking about it but honestly the climate hysteria

in combination with a bunch of other things that we've been talking about is destroying our economy like this forced transition to unreliable wind and solar they're really putting us in an energy crisis. There was a blackout in central Austin yesterday. Texas is supposed to be the energy capital of the U S should not happen in

the energy capital of the U S. You know how you control people fear. Yeah. They created a climate crisis talking about a climate. They've been talking about a climate crisis ever since I was a kid. And now I'm one of the old codgers. Oh, they've been,

I mean, they really drilled earth day in. I mean, al gore big meme i did i did fall for it for a little bit there but then you realize like these like the al gores of the world are just grifters and when you think of the consequences of changing the world as drastically as they want to it's a net negative more people are going to die from all these changes than ever would just think about all the people that are going to die from famine in africa because of our lockdowns and everything that we've been experiencing from our

response to the COVID-19 pandemic. Yeah, I think when it's all said and done, more people have died from the response than the actual virus itself. Yep. When you look back five, six years from now. Is he still here in the United States? Too bad we're not

an oligarch. We could we could form the narrative. Yeah. Well, that's what we're trying to do here. We've got our own form of propaganda. It's called truth that is yeah I forget what I was

gonna say I was gonna say something about oh yeah like the unemployment alone the big meme right now is like oh are we going into a recession everybody's like look

at the strong labor market I'm like look at the labor participation rate like it cratered in 2020 during lockdowns and Right now, it's hovering at 1977 levels. Think about the mass unemployment that's out there due to the initial reaction.

It seems like it's going to get worse with all this inflation and people having to tighten the belt at the corporate level. Well, a little personal story. When I was employed and traveled to Luray, Virginia for my job, sometimes I'd stop at a little restaurant called Hardee's on my way in, and i get a little caffeine there i'm a big tea drinker i love tv that's one of my vices and some mornings i would come in and the lobby was closed because they didn't have anybody to work yeah other mornings i'd come in and they wouldn't have cups can you believe hardy's doesn't

have cups right i mean there's something really wrong with what's going on when hardy's doesn't have cups doesn't have cups or doesn't have people to work and one thing that really irked me is when they didn't have lemons that's that's actually one thing i've noticed here um i'm just getting tacos my favorite taco joint like every once in a while i'll run out of limes they'll give you lemons to squirt on i'm like i've never squirted a lemon on the taco it's uh it's these weird like you're having like sriracha shortages now you're in We have tampon shortages, formula shortages. Hey, you know how you get rid of the tampon shortage?

You know how you solve the tampon shortage? How? Take the tampon dispensers out of the men's bathroom. What is a man? What is a man? What is a woman? That's easy to define. That's easy to define.

Did you watch that movie? What is a woman? No, I haven't. That's a good one. Is that the one that, who did that? Matt Walsh. Yeah, Amanda was telling me about that. I haven't watched it yet, but...

It's, I mean, it just highlights how insane the world has gotten, where you can't even get somebody who's so bought into the insanity of the woke culture to define what a woman is. That's the thing, we're getting away from definitions and anchor in truth in so many aspects of life. Yeah. When I came through medical school, I'm not going to touch that anymore. I'll just, we'll just stop there. All right. Get really get myself in trouble. I don't want to get you in any more trouble. Yeah. This has been a fascinating conversation. I'm very happy we did it. Thank you for coming in the studio today.

thank you for having me and thank goodness that matt and amanda met you and introduced us thank you matt thank you matt i hope that's that's the man that's that's the one that introduced me to bitcoin i wish i had listened to him five years ago when he was initially telling me about it yeah i hope you're happy i got your father-in-law in trouble i'm kidding no trouble yet yeah um no i mean like i said earlier you've had an incredible job of of raising your children amanda who i know personally um did a great job of picking a husband uh and your granddaughter is uh a little firecracker as well she is that yeah she is she's she's uh amanda says she's a lot like matt which i'm sure she is

but she's really a lot like amanda was when she was a little girl the most focused hard-working kid on the face of the planet no matter what she wanted to do she wanted to excel in anything she did and I've learned a lot from my kids my children all four of them learned a lot from Amanda

that's what I'm learning a lot from my kids right now too patience being the number one thing as a new dad you learn patience real quick it's fun it's crazy as they grow they'll develop their own personalities and their own

And yeah, I just, I learned so much from my children on a daily basis. Yeah. It's like, how did I ever raise you, yourself? Yeah, and the personality stuff too, my two and a half year old. It's crazy, it's coming out. Like I just dropped him off at camp last week

for the first time and it was- Did you cry? I did not cry. My wife did. She actually didn't have the courage to actually go because she was worried that he was going to have a fit and freak out, but he couldn't get away from me fast enough.

He was just like, see ya. That's pretty cool. He wasn't clingy. He was looking forward to it. Yeah. He's having a good time. Well, here's to trying to make the world a better place for our children and grandchildren.

Thank you. I really enjoyed this. I hope we have brought some value to your listeners and given them a different perspective and tell them to get out there and start paying attention and definitely pay attention to your food,

your food sources and the food policy of this country because future generations depend upon it. Think about your food. Think about your money. Think about your health.

Think about the propaganda that's being fed into your mind. Peace and love, freaks.