TFTC: A Bitcoin Podcast - #395: How The Jabs Killed Gut Health with Dr. Sabine Hazan

Episode Date: February 8, 2023

Join Marty has he sits down with Dr. Sabine Hazan to discuss microbiomes, the damaged caused to gut health by both Covid and the vaccine, and standing up for the truth. Follow Dr. Hazan on Twitter: https://twitter.com/SabinehazanMD Check out Progenabiome: https://progenabiome.com/ Dr. Hazan's book: https://letstalkshit.org/ 6:31 - Broad explanation of microbiomes 11:11 - Observations during Covid 17:17 - Jabs kill microbiome 21:16 - Trusting compliant messengers over dissonant doctors 28:47 - Humanity medically shot itself in the foot 31:13 - How to regrow (and technical hiccups) 33:14 - Freedom and truth 40:06 - Keeping your body healthy 46:43 - Wrapping up, plugs Shoutout to our sponsors: Unchained Capital River TFTC Merch is Available: Shop Now Join the TFTC Movement: Main YT Channel Clips YT Channel Website Twitter Instagram Follow Marty Bent: Twitter Newsletter Podcast

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across. You've been talking about the ramifications of the COVID vaccine on the show for a couple years now, and your domain expertise is microbiomes within humans. And you said that you have seen a disruption in human microbiomes after the rollout of these vaccines. Is that correct? Correct. And so before we dive into exactly what you're seeing in terms of people's microbiomes being disturbed by the vaccine, I think maybe to start just talking about the concept of microbiomes more broadly, I think this is a subject that many people are a bit ignorant to, these microbiomes that exist in our bodies and how they interact with us as humans. So the microbiome is essentially, you know, a way of looking at a group of microbes that interact with each other, essentially.

So bacteria, fungus, viruses, you know, all basically living in the bowels of humans, right? And those microbes are obviously gathered from the outside, right? We're exposed to microbes all day long. We touch the soil and there's trillions of microbes in the soil. You eat a fruit, and there's trillions of microbes in that fruit. You eat a yogurt, and there's trillions of microbes in that yogurt. So essentially, there's a lot of microbes that are pretty much in our foods, around us, surrounding us. And we only know a few of them, right?

There's only a few that we've kind of like tackled and said, you know, this one's a bad bug, and this one's a good bug. But really, when you start looking at the microbiome, you realize that there's no such thing as a good bug or a bad bug. It's really all about the balance of these bugs, and it's all about their function, right? So every single bug has a utility, right? Kind of like every human on the planet has a utility, right? Not everybody could be plumbers. Not everybody could be accountants, right? So everybody has a job that's being done that makes the planet continuing to go and continuing to move on.

If you look at a microscopic picture into the gut, into the microbiome, each one of these groups of microbes have a function, right? So you look at, you know, the ruminococcus are doing something. The clostridiums are doing something. The bacteroides are doing something. So when you alter that balance and you get rid of a bunch of microbes, especially ones that were potentially your immunity, because immunity starts in the gut, then you have to kind of say well maybe that's why you know i got an infection maybe i have an imbalance because the microbes that were supposed to be giving me immunity are no longer there or the microbes that were supposed to digest my foods are no longer there or the microbes that are

you know uh absorbing my vitamin b's are no longer there right so we really have to start thinking of microbiome as not only the bugs that are causing the problems and overgrown and causing dysbiosis but also the lost microbes right and i think to me what we lose in our microbiome is more important than what we have overgrown because what we lost is what we lost our immunity and so when you start looking at the microbiome of humanity and you start looking at you know covid and the pandemic i started realizing that you know when you look at patients with covid the number one risk factors were you know obesity over um aging process and comorbidities like autoimmune processes patients with cancer etc and so looking at those people you know and you look at the microbiome and i

I was doing microbiome research before the pandemic. So I kind of, you know, had an insight on what those microbiomes looked like. And when you see people that are super healthy, they have a completely different microbiome than the people that have these comorbidities, right? So, you know, again, questioning the idea of maybe the loss of microbes and the imbalances really created a problem and got us into problems with COVID to begin with. And so that was my research. That was my hypothesis from the beginning. And then, you know, through that, you know, came to find COVID in the stools first,

because that was the most important piece of the puzzle we needed to figure out at the beginning of the pandemic. So we had already stools that we had collected from March 2020. And we discovered that COVID was in the stools of these patients that were symptomatic. And so that was the first discovery, the whole genome sequence of COVID. The second discovery was really looking at patients with severe COVID compared to patients who were exposed to COVID and high risk and realized that there were a key group of microbes that were really prominent and almost, I don't want to say protective, but almost wondering if that's not a susceptibility marker, right? So the severe COVID had, for example, zero bifidobacteria. And I mentioned bifidobacteria because that's a bacteria

that's present in your probiotics and in your good yogurts. And then the non-severe but high-risk exposed asymptomatic negative for COVID, non-vaccinated, had high bifidobacteria. so that was the first thing was wow so bifidobacteria should really pay attention to the bifidobacteria right because one it's a trillion dollar industry of probiotics so obviously it's got a role in immunity because we've made such a big deal out of it selling all these probiotics right and then the second thing was the difference between you know the babies had so much bifidobacteria and the old people had so little so even the process of aging was loss of bifidobacteria. And then from there, discovering vitamin C increased the

bifidobacteria. And then ivermectin being very similar to bifidobacteria in the sense that it's from the same phylum, the same group of microbes. You know, ivermectin is a fermented product of a bacteria called streptomyces. And so, you know, when I looked up streptomyces being from the same phylum actinobacteria as bifidobacteria I said to myself maybe one feeds the other right because in the world of the microbiome it's all about you know microbes together right so it's always one suppresses one microbe one increases another microbe one feeds another you know I mean it's all about that relationship between microbes really and so when I saw that I said maybe that's why ivermectin is working in my patients and remember i was doing the clinical trials on

ivermectin doxycycline with the fda watching me so i was seeing you know i lost no one on the pandemics even on the pandemic even though i was running the clinical trials placebo control trials where you know one group was getting ivermectin doxycycline the other one was getting nothing and then and and those people you know and basically no one died i you know i monitored those patients as soon as their oxygen started dropping because they were probably on placebo or whatever they were on because i didn't know i was blinded then right away i would treat these folks with how i knew to treat with ivermectin and also added other products like hydroxychloroquine z-pack you know because these people's oxygen started dropping and they didn't

want to go to the hospital so when i started treating people with low oxygen and one after the other, they survived. And in fact, I started posting on Twitter the before and after. I mean, imagine the confidence of a physician to ask your patient that's crashing to take a picture of his oximeter, right? And then also to see that oximeter going up after treatment, knowing that it was going to go up, like in my gut, I knew these patients were going to be fine. You know what I mean? So to me, you know, having, when I saw that, I started publishing the paper that ivermectin help patients with hypoxia. And then from there, ivermectin combination therapy, because it's not a one drug at this level. When your oxygen is low, you got to push, put everything in the fire

to turn it off. And then from there, I started looking at the microbiome of patients that were vaccinated before and after vaccination. And, you know, the first focus again was, what's the bifidobacteria doing? And when I started seeing that bifidobacteria was dropping post-vaccination, I started asking myself a question, well, is this why people are catching COVID after being vaccinated? Are they dropping their immunity? If we assume that, you know, bifidobacteria is a big component of your immunity in the gut, is this the reason these people are having COVID? Is this the reason these people are having problems, neurological problems? You know, doctors on the front line of treating patients, you know, were noticing CMV encephalitis, CMV,

I mean, herpes encephalitis, ALS, Parkinson's, and they all were questioning the short, because it was such short term after the vaccine, they were all, all these neurologists would call me and say, what do you think? I'm seeing CMV encephalitis. Do you think it's from the vaccine? And I'm like, well, it's possible because I've done clinical trials. I've done like 300 plus clinical trials between me and my sisters. And, you know, the number one rule of thumb is essentially do, you know, once you have a side effect, like a person is dying, or a person is having a neurological problem post vaccination, you have to report it, especially within the month, because that's called a serious adverse event. And that needs to be reported.

So basically, that's been my path. I started being very concerned. When I started seeing the microbiome of babies and probably why I started becoming more vocal and more on all those spaces because I was seeing that the bifidobacteria of babies born to moms who were vaccinated and breastfed was affected. So, you know, babies are supposed to have 90% bifidobacteria in their guts and these babies were born with zero. And so that's when I started speaking and I started coming out because if you wait for me to publish the data um you know a lot of people are going to die and and the future of humanity is bleak so you know i went i came out talking about my research my preliminary findings and basically saying look prove me wrong if i'm wrong then

i'm wrong but right now what i'm seeing is concerning to me so do you have a hypothesis or a thesis for what exactly is in the vaccine that is destroying this uh bifidobacteria well i think the spike protein acts as a bifidophage as a bacteriophage i think it goes in and probably destroys the bacteria so i think that's that's the only explanation that i can see and what's interesting is when you look at long haulers and vaccine injured they're very similar in their presentation and i know people say well you know covid you know it's not covid that caused it's not the vaccine that caused that it's covid right but you know what if it was the spike protein in covid that caused that right what if all this was a spike protein injury right and

And so, therefore, the spike protein is probably not the best solution as far as vaccination. If the spike is the issue, right, is the problem. Yes. And originally, correct me if I'm wrong, but it was being marketed that the vaccine and the spike protein would stay isolated into the part of your arm that it was injected. So the fact that it would be affecting the bifidobacteria in your gut is a bit alarming. Well, and this is so this was the false, the miss the misinformation, if you want to put it, that was actually told and the poor marketing to sell a vaccine that anybody that's a scientist or a doctor with a critical mind should have really paid attention to that because nothing just stays in a deltoid. right? You put something on your skin, that skin is going to get, that thing is going to get absorbed by your blood and your blood is constantly traveling, you know, to the brain, to the heart,

to the, and then eventually to the bowels. And then from that, the bowels, there's a circulation that occurs as well, right? So the concept of, well, the vaccine is only localized in a deltoid. Well, that would be great if the deltoid was by itself without any blood supply or nerve supply, but that doesn't happen because the human body is basically created that there's blood that circulates constantly and that brings all these microbes back to the colon to be, you know, re-looked at and either recirculate or put back into the dump, into the septic tanks. So I think that's – to a person that basically doesn't know any anatomy, that's a very interesting concept and a very – a narrative that's very simplistic. However, to anybody that's done biology or anatomy, they should know better to know that anything you put in your skin ends up in your gut, ends up in your heart, ends up in your – all over the body. The blood vessels circulate. Yeah. I mean, I'm not well versed on biology or have a medical background, but that always seemed suspect to me. And I mean, that just dovetails into the whole overarching conversation of the, like you brought it up, misinformation. There was an attack on doctors like yourself that is still ongoing to an extent, like we won't be able to post this on YouTube because it will be considered medical misinformation by the YouTube curators, whether it be ivermectin, recommending that people take high doses of vitamin C as a preventative measure, hydroxychloroquine, vitamin D.

like for some reason or another from the onset it was always you got to get the back vitamin D or vitamin C you'd get sued I mean you saw that physician that's getting sued by you know by the government for bringing up vitamin D so I think there's there's definitely there was a misinformation campaign that was created to sell a stock you know that's what it comes down to I I think this has done a disfavor to humanity because we're not computers where we can just put an antivirus into the computer and then it stops and it starts working again. The human body is much more complex than that. So if you create a synthetic vaccine, and you create a synthetic, you know, spike protein, that's not really gonna, the body's gonna recognize this as being foreign, and the microbiome is going to recognize this as being foreign, and reject it and create a superbug to fight that non natural spike protein. And that's basically what it is. So, you know, we talk about, you know, narratives and look who the narrative is coming from. I mean, you know, I'm arguing on Twitter with people that don't even have a medical degree or biology degree for that matter. And so I have to constantly remind myself, wait a minute, I'm the MD with the education. Why am I arguing? I mean, it's like me arguing with a contractor about how to build my house. Well, I have no idea how to build a house. Right. I've never done it. Why would I argue with a contractor? Right. I wouldn't.

so you know and and the thing is the narrative has really gotten so you know disgusting to the point that when you see commercials now i mean this today this morning i saw the commercial of martha stewart chopping a pineapple and basically saying well i'm so glad i got boosted and the whole time i'm like why is martha stewart of all people that doesn't have you know the best you know health wise right looking at her giving advice for first of all giving advice and second of all um she's not a medical doctor why is she influencing people to get vaccinated and boosted she should be influencing people on how to improve their microbiome how to eat healthy how to lose weight because weight is what got us into this problem to begin with so you know when i see that

And I see that influence, using a celebrity to influence people to get boosted. You know, I have a problem with that because we should be influencing people to get into health, to exercise, to lose weight, not to like keep eating, drinking, using drugs and creating a system that is constantly a patient and burning out the physicians that are trying to help these people. Because unfortunately, so many diseases are on the rise. And, you know, it starts with obesity. You know, diabetes is on the rise. It started with obesity. You know, I mean, the fatty liver is on the rise, starts with obesity, you know, heart attacks, etc. So I think we have a job as society to be a little bit more conscientious. And I think, you know, it's time to stop the noise and stop the people that do not know what they're talking about to talk. They need to stop talking. i agree but do you think particularly in the last three years it seems like there was a divide driven in the medical community you know that whole trust the science meme and i've had many doctors on like yourself who are putting out messages very similar to the one that you're putting out now but there does seem to be part of the medical community that is

bought into the narrative being put forward by the World Health Organization, the FDA, the CDC, the big pharma companies. And from your perspective, has that created a lot of confusion and led people astray in the last few years, particularly? There's definitely been a division that was created. Marketing 101, if you want to sell something, you got to create division, right? Controversy sells, right? I mean, that's how you know when you see these people that have such polarizing personality they they're hated and they're loved they're either loved or they're hated there's no in between but what happens is both parties are talking about them right because the ones that are that hate them so much because

of their polarizing personality are talking about them and the ones that love them so much are talking about them so there's a controversy that gets created that gets that person that is polarized to be on stage. On top of that, you add, you know, controversial topics like, you know, the gender, like the politics, your favorite politics, then the race, you know, the Black Lives Matter movement and all that. That was all mixed into the whole pandemic. You know, if you'll remember, and I think it was during Delta, we had riots in California. And the whole time, I thought, my God, I'm dealing with riots, and I'm dealing with COVID. And I'm risking my life on the front line. I mean, come on, it was just too much, right. But the whole movement was

to kind of keep you on your toes constantly fearful, so that you can like just be controlled, right? Because the whole way of controlling a human being is to keep them constantly in fear, so that they don't develop the strength to fight. And then essentially, you can give them whatever you want or sell them whatever you want when they're in control. So that's what we saw. Yeah, there was no logical consistency. Thinking back to the protest of the summer of 2020,

it was okay to go protest. I think they made an official statement that since they're outside. I mean, it was kind of funny because on one hand, they were saying, everybody needs to be masked. Everybody needs to be quarantined. But yet here we are protesting. I'm like, really? You know, it's just, it was, it was chaos. It was pure chaos. But again, you, you know, they needed the chaos to kind of get their, their, their distraction to get the distraction so that they could start, you know, manufacturing all these vaccines and start getting, you know, all the, the, the plan into motion to sell, sell, sell. So, you know.

Yeah. And they're still, they're still pushing it and they're pushing it on children and pushing it on pregnant women. But you seem to think that this vaccine campaign needs to stop. What, I mean, I've had- Well, I think they, I think they stopped. Like yesterday, you know, there was a news that in California, the California, the mandates for children is done. Like it's over. That's good to hear. yeah so i think you know i think it's going to stop and listen the thing is they played with something they had no idea what they're doing and it backfired and not only that it's backfiring it's going to backfire even worse because now the immunity of humanity is kind of messed up because we've killed a bunch of good microbes that were needed and you know what's going to happen is there's going to be other bugs coming in that are much stronger you know and at that

point, what do you do? You're going to create a vaccine for the next fungal infection that occurs because right now there's a bad fungal infections in the lung that's occurring, right? So I think at some point we got to just let doctors be doctors and step away from the whole, you know, drum over-dramatizing and give people confidence and hope that they're going to be fine because it's really about following the light and not the darkness. It's about having hope that we're going to be fine regardless whether you were vaccinated or not vaccinated you're going to be fine i think we need to have that hope as humanity in order to heal enough of the fear factor um you know whatever will be will be and you know people will deal with it and doctors will be on the front line

taking care of patients like they always have you know taking care of heart attacks and taking care of GI bleeders. You know, those have not disappeared. Taking care of cancers, those have not disappeared. So, you know, we need to pay attention to those diseases now because, you know, COVID is something that just stopped and interfered with everything. And there's other people that are suffering. You know, mental health is through the roof right now. We need to deal with that. We need to help people through this mental crisis that is happening um all around us so you know this is time for healing it's time to understand science to do the science properly and to and to basically bring balance back into the planet stop the destruction of good microbes

well on that topic the destruction of good microbes if the vaccines have sort of destroyed some of the essential bacteria in people's biomes is there a way to build that biome back up introduce reintroduce those essential bacterias and microbes to begin rebuilding your immunity we just lose her i think we're getting censored hi can you hear me yes ma'am all right perfect no I was saying it's kind of like the Woolsey fire if you remember the Woolsey fire everything burnt and then life grew back again right like plants grew back and tree you know everything started blooming again I think in time healing is gonna happen we just need to let it start rebuilding naturally lost her again and you know we need research and we need to do

the research properly uh in my opinion and peacefully and not have interruptions with the media and all that, because I think the days of pharmaceutical companies interfering with the media and sponsoring everything, I think, are done, in my opinion. We really need to be a voice as people to say, enough. We don't want to hear about the commercials on television or in the radio. It's a relationship between me and my doctor, and I want to have that discussion with me and my doctor because I think the moment that pharmaceutical companies took it away from the patient-doctor relationship and took it to the media, we left the doctor out of the discussion and essentially the patient became the director of their health without really knowing all the

complications that could happen with these drugs. So what drives you? I mean, these are not controversial to me, but many people, many doctors that I've spoken to seem to be afraid to express these ideas publicly due to the backlash they may face from their hospital system or just other professionals in their industry? And what drives you? You seem very passionate about all this. What drives me is I've been hit multiple times along my career. I've had multiple road blocks as a woman gastroenterologist. I was the first woman to be accepted at University of Florida, somebody said, Oh, we don't take women in GI. And I said, Well, I guess I'll be your first one. And then, you know, from every little challenges that someone gives me, well, you don't

need to look at the microbiome, we've already looked at it. Well, I guess I'm going to be looking at it, right. So, you know, every time I have a chip on my shoulder, and that chip on my shoulder, I think stems from, you know, being a young immigrant girl that came from Morocco and grew up in Montreal and moved to California and became a Malibu physician. And so that chip on my shoulder moves me. And when somebody, you know, is telling me, well, you need to do this or you can't work, you need to get this or you can't practice, then I say, well, I'm not going to do this because my freedom matters more than anything and my life matters more than anything. So I'm very very driven by um freedom of choice i'm very driven by that i think that's my

my sole passion in medicine is really you know patients should have a choice on whatever they want to do to their bodies if they're dying that's my opinion if you're dying and you want to try xyz nobody should come in between you and xyz if you made an informed consent And the fact that that's not happening and we're not allowing people to have that freedom of choice or to make a proper informed consent, and we've certainly seen that with this vaccine, that's what really woke me up to ask the question, well, is the vaccine the only solution? Is the vaccine the only narrative? So, of course, as a scientist, you know, the whole purpose of being a scientist is to defy the narrative, is to basically go where no one goes. If you're if everybody goes to the right, then you're never going to find the answers because otherwise someone would have found it in the right side. So you want to look at the left where nobody's looking, because that may be where the answers are.

So I'm very I'm not controversial. I'm just I'm going to take the other side. I'm always going to look at the other side, because if everybody's jumping off the bridge, why do I have to join them in jumping off the bridge? right let me find the shortcut not to jump off the bridge and get to my destination so i think that's in nature that's in my nature that's in my personality um you know and really again it's the chip on my shoulders you know so i i believe in freedom to choose what you want to believe in if you want to believe in god great if you don't great that's your choice if you want to love xy person it's your choice you know i believe in choices and freedom to choose so here we are you know we're we're asking humanity to start you know becoming more liberal in our you know

not tagging people by genders um but here we are also you know tagging them by race and by religion so you know it's a bit hypocritical in my opinion it is it is it's good to know that there's doctors like yourselves that aren't lemmings out there who will just jump off the cliff with everybody else to seek seek out truth that was the most frustrating part of the last three years was just the complete uh obstruction of anybody looking for the truth in all this when it was so no so raw and to think that the establishment had all the answers right away it was very alarming and they forget that the establishment is actually asking for answers to the people that are doing the research like me myself you know when we have complications in research and clinical trials you

know i've been doing clinical trials for almost three decades when we have complications in research we basically go to the we go to the fda and we tell them hey we noticed a complication with this medication obviously if we didn't tell them about this complication the fda would not know about it right so they expect us to tell them what we're seeing right so when the voice of the person that's conducting the research or the clinical trial is not being heard and it's being censored and we can't even get to the fda to be heard there's a problem because ultimately you know people at the fda will tell you you know they expect the doctors on the front line of research to tell them you know the side effects they don't you know they they're not

waiting for pharma to tell them because pharma is not going to necessarily tell them the side effects because it's going to affect their bottom line their stocks right but they expect us as physicians to be the vigilante. So that's what I've always been. And that's what I intend to stay. You know, I'm not here to sugarcoat if a problem if there's a problem from a medication, I'm going to mention it, you know, I'm the person that basically, if a patient is coughing up blood, after a medication, I'm going to call the FDA and say this medication causes coughing of blood. And then it's up to the FDA to investigate and look it up. But, you know, that's what we that's what it's called to do good research and to be ethical in research. Otherwise, medications pass.

And guess what? If you're that person that's in a pharmaceutical company and you are doing nefarious things, eventually somebody is going to pass a bad drug that's going to affect your kid or yourself. So, you know, karma is a weird thing. It comes around. So it's best to just stay righteous and do the right thing. Because unfortunately, you know, if you interfere with research when you're the patient it's gonna affect you yes yes doing the uh the right thing didn't seem to be what most people were doing particularly in the medical community in the last few years so again just very thankful for the work that you've been doing and i know you've got to go here soon but i think uh just more broadly speaking of the microbiome uh like what you

obviously wrote a book let's talk about the microbiome and its importance but again i think there is an area this is an area that many people are a bit ignorant to what what are some of of the the top things people should understand about the microbiome how they can improve their gut bacteria and how they should be monitoring that if possible so i think right now all we know and what i recommend to everyone is basically don't over abuse anything you know keep your body in balance not only in stress but in peace and and so if you're high strong and you work hard and you're super stressed, then take some time off to just decompress and kind of like, you know, decrease that stress level. So, you know, I'm a big work hard, play hard person. Also, you know,

what you intake in your foods, make sure that what you're taking in is does not have a ton of pesticides, does not have a ton of toxins, does not have a ton of metals, you know, be very conscientious of the foods you're eating because and where they're coming from and whether they're real or synthetic or have GMOs or you know have don't overdo it on anything don't overdo salt don't overdo sugar take your vitamins take your your you know your vitamin D make sure your levels are above 50 I like a level of above 50 in my patients make sure that if you're deficient in vitamin C, probably take on some vitamin C. That glass of orange juice is probably not going to be enough. You know, and then your zinc, your magnesium, your, you know, your copper. So all

those need to be, you know, monitored at some point to just make sure you're not nutritionally deficient. Because I think the most common reason why people are sick is they're nutritionally deficient to begin with. And then, you know, of course, don't overdo it with alcohol. Don't overdo it with drugs. Don't overdo it with antibiotics if you don't need to. You know, a lot of infections are viral and don't necessarily need antibiotics. And, you know, kind of toughen up the body a little bit. Exercise is very important. Intermittent fasting is very good as it decreases, as it increases your bifidobacteria actually, and also will decrease your weight and its sustainable weight loss. So, you know, I think on the whole, those are

recommendations that i make as far as like you know testing the microbiome we are not there yet there's a lot of companies that are selling commercial samples but those samples really don't mean anything because let's face it there's a lot of microbes out there and we don't know what they do at this point or this stage of the game we're the beginning of the research on the microbiome and disease we are doing it we're doing 57 clinical trials on the microbiome and every disease. So we're looking at, you know, the, you know, Crohn's, ulcerative colitis, Parkinson's, autism, Alzheimer's, looking for markers in those diseases, but also looking at the races, the populations, you know, a Japanese in Japan versus a Japanese in America, a person that's

vegan versus a person that's vegetarian versus a person that's meat eater, you know, which population should be a meat eater versus a vegetarian. And, and essentially doing it clinically because you know these artificial uh intelligence unfortunately are not the doctor um you know you need a doctor to take the proper history from the patients a lot of patients will drink alcohol and say they don't drink alcohol but it's up to the doctor to get that history from the patient because if the patient drinks alcohol that screws up your whole record your whole pipeline into diagnosing properly what's going on with those patients. So I think that's as far as commercial testing. We're not there. Eventually we will be, but we're not there. This

is the beginning. I'm hopeful. I think COVID has lit up a lot of things for us. It has lit up that a virus can possibly cause coagulopathies. It has lit up that a virus could possibly cause autoimmune processes. It has lit up neurological and it has kind of lit up the whole gut brain access. When you see people having Tourette's, I had a young girl with Tourette's syndrome, Tourette's-like syndrome, who basically had COVID in her stools for six months. we treated her we we removed the COVID and basically her Tourette's symptoms Tourette's like symptoms disappeared so that was very that was a great case because it really lit up the whole brain gut access you know and at the same time as I was taking care of COVID I also had a

kid with autism that I had submitted an IND to the FDA and we did the case and the kid improved with fecal transplant using his sister. So there's a lot of, you know, hope out there and promise out there. Looking at the microbiome, obviously, it's going to be very challenging and difficult to find these great stool donors. But I'm hopeful that as we understand these microbes better, their interactions better, that we're going to be able to find out what's missing and replenish just what's missing rather than just doing fecal transplant, which is the process of taking stools from a healthy donor and putting it into an unhealthy. So I think that's on a whole, that's what drives me. I see the future is bright. And I see that there's going to be a lot of

healing in the future. And we just need to unite together and understand these microbes because the process of dying and and the process of the body being decomposed with micro you know microbes decompose our bodies and puts us back into the dirt right so we better understand these microbes before they do that because they have the power you know when a virus shut out humanity and humanity was in quarantine the virus had the power so it is you know we need to be humble to realize that there's a force out there that is stronger stronger than we are and that we need to basically understand it and live with it rather than destroy it so yes that's what drives me well thank you i appreciate number one you're taking some time to do this number two getting the

message out there um that there are different ways to approach this because i do think that the vaccine campaigns, even though they are winding down, it seems have been terribly misguided. And I do think focus on preventative care, good diet, good exercise, taking care of yourself was something that was swept under the rug vigorously. And there were counterproductive measures, particularly lockdowns that were put in place that really didn't even give people a chance to become healthier, to prevent adverse effects from COVID in the first place. So Dr. Hazen, appreciate your time. I know you're an extremely busy woman, so I hope you have a great rest of your afternoon. And I guess before we go here, where can anybody listen to this, find out

more information about what you're doing, your book, where they can find you on social media? so my book is let's talk shit on amazon i highly recommend it for everyone there's a lot of good diets good tips you know we've had some great reviews on it um my website is progena biome dot com p-r-o-g-e-n-a-b-i-o-m-e dot com it's it was named that way from your gene to your microbes essentially so progena is like your progenity your your genes to your biome so progena biome dot com and um i'm on so i'm on twitter tweeting you know probably controversial for some but you know illuminating for others um sabine hayes and md you can find me there's a lot of videos there's a lot of our papers on the microbiome on progenobiome website um and so anybody that

wants to educate themselves i'm easily reachable you know people pm me all the time on twitter so happy to answer all questions or anything like that so thank you thank you and thank you for having me and thank you for doing this yeah uh pleasure is all mine hopefully we can do this again at some point in the future perfect that would be lovely thank you awesome have a great day that's all we got today freaks peace and love Thank you.