TFTC: A Bitcoin Podcast - #400: We're Gonna Win Against Broken Money and Broken Culture with @sovereignbrah

Episode Date: March 6, 2023

Join Marty as he sits down with Chase, AKA Sovereign Brah, to discuss broken money, degenerate culture, energy, Bitcoin, and God. Follow Chase on Twitter: https://twitter.com/sovereignbrah 0:00 - Intro 5:37 - Divine Synchronicity 12:57 - Children are artillery against degenerate culture 20:58 - Broken money 27:03 - Debt slavery 31:30 - Threats to mining 35:39 - Future of Texas 38:19 - Ed Dowd's theory 42:33 - Awakening NPCs 51:48 - Blackpilled on leaders 54:35 - Whitepilled on Bitcoin 59:49 - Streaming sats 1:06:31 - Censorship resistance 1:13:44 - We're gonna win 1:20:35 - Who are we up against? 1:34:58 - Spreading the word 1:41:16 - Don't be a coomer 1:43:29 - Energy humiliation 1:48:11 - Carbon 1:54:37 - Nuclear 2:00:35 - Beef Initiative 2:01:51 - Wrapping up Shoutout to our sponsors: Unchained Capital River CrowdHealth Bitcoin Talent Co TFTC Merch is Available: Shop Now Join the TFTC Movement: Main YT Channel Clips YT Channel Website Twitter Instagram Follow Marty Bent: Twitter Newsletter Podcast

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If you're looking for a job or if you're looking to hire, tell them that TFTC sent you and enjoy this rip. Okay. you've had a dynamic where money's become freer than free if you talk about a fed just gone nuts all all the central banks going nuts so it's all acting like safe haven i believe that in a world where central bankers are tripping over themselves to devalue their currency bitcoin wins in the world of fiat currencies bitcoin is the victor i mean that's part of the bull case for bitcoin if you're not paying attention you probably should be

probably should be yes a snow in california covering the mountains for the first time in decades yep also snowed in uh people's backyards throughout southern california feels like a sign from god bro that's what i was gonna say you were saying this feels like a sign it does dude it does it was last week was really weird uh everything exploded with those clips and stuff and the timing of it all was super crazy it happened on 2 22 which has been a it's been a number that's followed me around in like very divine synchronistic ways for years and everything's popping off and i'm like holy crap i feel like i'm on this like roller coaster of social media so many things are happening at once and in my family life as well and then i just wake up when

morning and the mountains are covered in snow for the first time I've ever seen. And I was like, all right, Lord, what are you doing? This is amazing. Why did his, uh, two 22 have the synchronicity throughout your life? What else has happened? Well, so, uh, so I used to be friends with a lot of people in like the new age, a cult movement back in like 2017, 2018. And this girl that I was friends with would talk about like angel numbers and

stuff and she'd be like yeah when you see angel numbers in your life repeating numbers you know it's angels trying to communicate to you and i was like all right cool whatever and uh three five three five right behind us nice there you go and um so my i i was i was on a hike one time and while i was on the hike this guy called out to me he was like yo chase and i was like yo like who's calling out to me? There's like nobody around. I was with my cousin at the time. And it was this guy who followed me on Instagram. He's a photographer. And we linked up and we started hanging out. And I saw that he had two 22 in his, on his license plate. And I was like, huh, that's interesting. And then a few months later, he asked me if I wanted to rent

an office with him in downtown Santa Barbara with a bunch of other photographers. And I was like, yeah, sure. That sounds cool. So we go to the office and the office has 222 in its address. And I was like, that's weird. There it is again. And while I was working in this office, I started doing a lot of work in wedding photography. And at the time, like I wasn't really committed to the word, right? Like I wasn't really living my life in full alignment with God's word. And at the time I wanted like a harem of women. I never wanted to like get married or anything like that. But I started to do a bunch of wedding photography and God started to work on my heart and he started to correct like the the sinful desires that i had inside of me

and i kept seeing this number follow me around 222 and i was like why does this keep popping up right and throughout the bible god uses numerology in interesting ways you see repeating numbers many times throughout the bible and i was like i wonder if there's anything with 222 in the bible look at this price of Bitcoin right now it's twenty two thousand two hundred ninety seven dollars just under twenty two point three God's moving right now Marty god's moving so i it's like i was like all right so where is there anything about 222 in the bible right and i started looking it up and and genesis 222 is when god created eve for adam okay and this whole time you know god's working on my heart through the work that i'm being brought

in wedding photography and engagements and all this stuff and i just i i like in that moment i was like, all right, like this nonsense that I have in my mind about never wanting to get married, just having a harem of women someday, making a bunch of money. Like God is trying to communicate to me about this and show me this is not his plan for my life. His plan for my life is, you know, that the two become one, right? The two become one flesh as it's described throughout the Bible, right? That's the purpose of marriage. It was, it was designed by God to bring a man and a woman together with God in the center. And, uh, yeah, so I just, I kept seeing that number appear in my life. And then on 2-22, this past week and a half, that was the day when everything exploded

on social media with these clips and stuff. And I was like, dude, this is so weird. It's so weird how God keeps using these numbers. And another interesting synchronicity, Marty, numbers 33 and 28 have followed me around for my entire life and uh the the clips that went viral on social media were from episodes 33 and 28 of the whatever podcast and i'm just like what is happening bro like it's so crazy so it feels like god's moving man i mean this is still freaking me out i still can't get this uh as you're describing it it pops up on the screen arguably yeah i mean i grew up catholic um i got a bit disenchanted from the church still the diddling when i was in college i don't think i would ever i don't think i ever consider

myself an atheist but i definitely did not agree with a lot of the stuff that was going on at the church and really began developing a mindset of separating church from the bible um yeah no i believe uh i'm a god-fearing man it's uh something that i haven't been too vocal i have been pretty vocal on this podcast but i try not to like force it down people's throats yeah yeah yeah what's what's your uh what's your goal with this podcast just in general uh it started just to teach people about bitcoin but um it's morphed into other things where bitcoin i truly believe to fix a lot of the problems in the world we need to fix the money broken money yeah is the core of a lot of the negative externalities that we see in the world in terms of like but lack of family formation

degenerate culture um desperation i think a lot of that stems from broken money but it's morphed into tangential topics like the ones we'll probably discuss today uh that really highlight hey here's things that money can fix like talked a lot about covid and the vaccine throughout um the last three years like hey you guys are all being psyoped right now like yeah this potentially wouldn't happen if the government was able to print money and just fund all their shit um talk about energy a lot a lot of misallocation of capital in the energy sector because of the ability to print money and all that shit and then there's yeah sovereignty i mean sovereign bra um sovereignty in the digital age they're trying to force this

into this demonic digital panopticon and just trying to highlight topics and in themes that sort of lead people the other way so where do you want to take today's podcast marty i don't know i'm just sort of just down to go flow with it i mean you did mention you know so it seems like You've had a massive change in your life where you were in a haram of women. Maybe you were living like a degenerate lifestyle. You had this experience taking photos at weddings and God speaking to you through numerology,

leading you another way. I think that's one thing I definitely wanted to touch on is I think you're an example of someone who got away from the degenerate culture and is trying to like live a life of virtue. And I feel lucky as an individual. I'm 31. I met my wife and started dating her when I was 21.

I was married by 25. We have two kids now. We're going to definitely have a third, not too far in the future. So I feel like I escaped that whole like mid-20s dating culture, dating apps, all of that. And I sort of feel lucky now looking back, having a lot of friends that are still immersed

in that side of things like in our early 30s yeah it wastes a lot of people's time you know that's on on that whatever podcast i try explaining this to so many girls i'm like you don't you don't want to spend your 20s just getting ran through by chads and then like try and settle down and find a good husband when you're in your early 30s because like by that point in time you've wasted the prime of your life and like the the studs that a lot of these girls want. Like they're not interested in some chick who's ran through in her thirties. Like they're interested in, you know, a younger woman who hasn't been used and abused by a bunch of dudes. And, uh, I've been, I think it's, uh, Psalm 127, four that says like arrows in the hands of

a warrior are the children of a man's youth. Right? So the Bible basically describes if you if you're a man and you have kids when you're young bible basically describes your kids as artillery uh to be sent forth into the world right yeah and uh i've been super inspired by that and you know i've listened to jordan peterson talk about the importance and the value of marriage and how it's really at the at the bedrock and the foundation of civilization and just for a long time like i felt the holy spirit speaking to me about the importance of marriage and it's it's something that's like it's really important you know it's really important and a lot of people a lot of people waste their lives and they don't focus on like having kids

and really building something that lasts and uh i think it's important to focus on those things you know no and it's something like as a father like i can't imagine a world without my children like Like, I feel incredibly blessed and happy that I made the decisions that I did when I did to start this journey to get that artillery, as you mentioned, earlier than a lot of people my age. How do you feel like being a father has changed your life? It's definitely made me more motivated. Like, it forces you to grow up real quick. Yeah, I definitely have a drive that I probably didn't have before. i was a big pot smoker uh i probably smoked like an eighth a day for almost a decade wow that's a

lot yeah then like two months before my son was born i went cold turkey i've stayed away from it ever since and i think that's helped me out pretty uh pretty considerably absolutely yeah pots pots one of those things that just depletes your drive and your motivation and just kind of sap you Yeah. I'm not, I can't lie. I have indulged in it a few times since my oldest was born, but yeah, nowhere near where I did before. Yeah. No, it's like, that's like, so like this conversation, like this topic of like many people would take and be like, Oh,

you're lecturing. Don't lecture me. Don't tell me what to do. Like if I want to live my twenties the way I want to, I should be able to do that. but i don't think we're trying to tell the way when i try and frame it like i don't like talking to friends like hey you should settle down and get married have some kids i'm not like trying to force it i really try to highlight like the benefits it's brought my life instead of trying to like shove it down their throats yeah yeah i i'm just i'm just pumped to become a father dude i i i cannot freaking wait bro i had a moment when i was 23 and i was with my friends and uh

you know we were like running around on the beach and i was like man like it just hit me i was like man i would kill to have like just 10 of my kids with me right now that i could just like pour like my energy and my love into and like raise them like it's it's and when i was with my ex-girlfriend we broke up in 2020 over the vaccines and COVID and all that stuff. And she wasn't a believer. I tried bringing her to Christ, but she just like, wasn't into it. But while I was with her, like I so frequently had this feeling of like, I really want to have kids with you. Like I, I loved her so much. I was like, it's like not enough for just the two of us to be here together. Like I want to, I want to create human beings with you and like bring them into the world. And

I've been, I've been super motivated ever since, man. And, uh, I pray that it can happen sometime soon, you know, whenever God feels like I'm ready. Cause it's, I can't imagine anything more fulfilling, you know? And I also think like people, I do think that people should, should have kids. Like it's from a Christian perspective, God commanded us to be fruitful and multiply. But also when you look at the world from a long-term perspective and everything that we're dealing with like that artillery analogy really resonates with me because the more people we have on our side who believe in virtue and goodness and the truth and who are willing to stand up against everything that we're up against the better of a shot we have at winning you know

what i mean and it it honestly like i think the outlook looks really good for us marty because our opposition they're shooting themselves up with vaccines that are like making them sterile and infertile they're getting propagandized and psyoped into eating fake meat that destroys their fertility right like they're there and lowers their testosterone they're like buying into all of this climate change nonsense where they're like oh i can't i shouldn't have kids because it's bad for the world like our opposition is literally getting psyoped out of like stopping breeding and like like our side has this opportunity to have as many kids as possible and just like like repopulate the earth and like outbreed them and i'm like yo like we should we

should do this you know what i'm saying yeah no it's it makes me incredibly sad that people have been psyop to such an extent where they simply don't think they can have kids they don't think they can afford it it's like incredibly sad um i wasn't too well off when i had my first son I had enough money to support the family, but like, I don't think economic situation should perturb people from having children again, if anything, it will motivate you to, to go get more money and to do more productive work and to provide to your family. Cause you get that instinctual feeling as soon as your child's born, you're holding your hand or like, Oh shit, I have to fucking provide and you go yeah and you figure out how to do it yeah i would imagine it sharpens

your focus real quickly oh yeah it does and that's why i'm so focused like i mean i was very focused on bitcoin before my oldest son was born but um again doubled tripled down after but again bringing this back to like bitcoin specifically that's why i'm so passionate about it because i want more people to not have those worries like oh can i have a kid the world seems like it's getting worse i'm working a job not making enough money i truly think that a lot of this stems from the money problem you can go all the way back to the 70s when nixon ripped us off the gold standard sent both parents into the workforce and i think that's when you have material the beginning of the material degradation of the nuclear family here in america particularly

yeah i assume you've been to that website wtf happened in 1971 oh yeah yeah yeah it's it's pretty insane for people that are watching that are unfamiliar what is it wtf1971.com or is it wtf happened in 1971.com wtf happened in 1971.com i know the uh the two gentlemen that uh that own that site i don't know if they sold it i think they still own it but yeah um ben and colin a couple bitcoiners nice yeah the data for people that are watching the data is insane like you they've compiled like statistics and graphs of like every metric of our society's health and like all of them just completely fall apart after 1971 when they decoupled the dollar from the gold standard and uh i would love to hear more from you on on this subject like how

you think the degradation of our money has destroyed our society because it's something it's something i'm passionate about but like i haven't spent a lot of time really trying to articulate and i see the effects of it clearly but like i and i've read you know the bitcoin standard and uh safety namu or however you pronounce his name like he just nailed it with describing how you know destroying money destroys your society but i'd be curious to hear more about it in your your own words i mean again it touches everything i go back to what i said earlier particularly with funding at the academic level um we'll just focus on education like if you can print money ex nihilo uh and allocate it towards certain activities you're going to begin

to corrupt those markets like a university system as soon as you open up the spigots to to free loans, uh, for, uh, college, people are going to go take those loans out. The colleges know those loans are going to be issued. So you're going to jack their prices up. Uh, and then they get complacent and they don't actually teach people anything. And then in parallel with that, you have the, the, uh, what's the word I'm looking for? Like the, uh, I don't want to say terroristic but you have like the the crazy leftists from the 70s who are like bombing like the weather on the ground and those types of movements who are bombing uh post offices and stuff in the 70s they infiltrate the university system and begin setting the curriculum with

somewhat socialistic or not somewhat overtly socialistic mindset and colleges are making easy money they're getting complacent and people are corrupting the curriculums that exist there take it over to food you subsidize corn production increase uh the production of high fructose corn syrup that is cheaper than quality foods like beef um or whole foods and you just inject that into everything everybody eats and 1971 uh what the fuck happened in 1971 has these charts of obesity rates and like the degradation of health over the last 50 years that plays into it um war obviously are you telling us that the reason so many people are fat and sick today is because we've destroyed our money yes yes i am um certainly a driving factor

and yeah and it eliminates accountability at the personal level too because people don't have the time to actually think about being accountable they're thrown into this fucking rat race where they're trying to keep up with their monthly expenses um working jobs they hate um and they get home they don't really want to think about how to be accountable they'd play video games smoke pot or go play quizzo with their friends get drunk yeah one of one of the uh have you read a history of central banking and the enslavement of mankind i've not not yet it's a very interesting book one of the things that the authors talked about in the book is how when you have when you have societies with sound money

and people's ability to save and store their value isn't being continuously destroyed this has the net benefit of enabling people to have leisure time and time that they can spend constructing culture and and and thinking and philosophizing and like really critically analyzing the world and creating things that are meaningful and uh when you have you know a fiat society that just gets like totally destroyed and it's everything's just about that like that quick fix you know just the cheapest entertainment the cheapest stimulation all this kind of stuff and like you said people being caught in the rat race and uh that's i i find that I find that concept very interesting because that aspect of people being able to set aside time

where they're not caught constantly in this rat race, when people can set aside time and really think about how to create things that will last for generations and ideas and art and all of this stuff, you know, I think that's how you create a really healthy, vibrant culture. And I look forward to a return in that. You know, I hope that the world can move towards a Bitcoin standard because what we got going on is not working well bro no well i think whether it's a good thing or a bad thing i think it's a certainty is that the hand's going to be forced so like another way to describe the monetary system is literal slavery it's like debt slavery it's slavery in another form where the way the money works particularly at the federal level is like so right now you

biden come out and tweet we're not going to default on our debt america will never default on our debt and it's like well the interest payments on the debt that we've accrued alone are approaching a trillion dollars annually um which would be something like a quarter to one third of tax receipts in any given year which is an obscene amount what biden really said there is like no we're not going to default on our debt so we're not going to go to people holding treasuries and say hey actually we can't pay you back the other alternative is you just issue more treasuries you raise more cash and then you pay off the trillion dollars in interest expenses with the cash you just raised and but you exacerbate the problem and this all stems from

the Keynesian mine rot thought of debt is only money we owe ourselves like that's a collective we that canes uh believed existed uh we is future children so like you're like you're literally the debt is money we owe ourselves is not we owe ourselves debt is money in the context of treasuries that future generations owe uh the holders of those treasury bonds and so you're literally setting up your children and your grandchildren for debt slavery with the issuance of more and more treasuries because they have to work to pay that back plus the interest you ever seen that quote that's been attributed to thomas jefferson about how i can't remember exactly what it says it's something like if if the issuing of

currency is ever taken yeah yeah you know that quote yeah if it's ever the um the issuance of currency uh is ever given is ever if banks are ever ever take control of the issuance of currency one day you'll wake up in a land uh that you don't own anymore or something yeah it's like it's like eventually your children and grandchildren will find that they've been stripped of ownership of their country yes yeah no i mean this goes back i mean you can tie this into the bible too i mean jesus going in and chasing out the the money changers i mean these messages have been uh been consistent throughout history through many different religions or many different history books many different cultures there are plenty of warnings out there through

historical texts they're just like don't fuck up the money don't fuck up the money and we fucked up the money worse than any civilization that's ever existed on this planet and we're up our civilization more than ever before as a result and uh it just it begs the question to me if the body of christ was to uh flip some tables and drive out the money changers today what would that look like how could that play out it's a bitcoin you just literally you get to exit you You get to walk out. Unfortunately, the central banks of today, like I said, it's a certainty, a mathematical certainty.

There's no way we'd be able to produce enough economic activity and tax receipts to pay back the debt. The death of the fiat system is a mathematical certainty. Then the question is, does the world just collapse and we try to pick up the scraps from step zero or while that system's collapsing in parallel do we build out this new system with bitcoin and simply exit that system as uh orderly as possible so i mean that's that's the alternative that sounds the most desirable to me uh you know i've

I've read The Sovereign Individual. I think the thesis of The Sovereign Individual and building parallel societies that are based on Bitcoin is extremely enticing. One objection that I've heard to this comes from a man. He's got a sub stack. He goes by Davido Davido, like David with an O at the end. And I've hosted, I think at least one,

maybe two Twitter spaces with him and my buddy, Michael Ruiz. know michael ruiz sovereign mindset yep i don't i've never met him personally but i just know him from twitter yeah great guy um basically devito's thesis is that you know if if this american empire cannot die before bitcoin you know really starts to take over uh the monetary system if if the american empire cannot die and the western regulatory powers can stay alive long enough they can begin to regulate the corporate mining pools in north america and europe where from what i understand a very significant chunk of the hash rate is located right and then and then

they could they could basically say hey you know they could they could legislate hey none of these miners you guys can't you guys can't allow transactions to go through unless people have ids tied to their transactions and then that could kind of like throttle the ability of of sovereign individuals to like transact with bitcoin because their transactions wouldn't go through do you think that's a possibility do you see any issues with that no certainly a possibility um but i would mention like this attack vector is always top of mind with many of the adversarial thinkers in bitcoin and there are solutions that could come to market aren't there yet but um people are thinking about them they could be built within the next two to three years uh where that

would be significantly harder um what kind of solutions are we talking about here so one is fetty pool um which would be a different type of pool structure so right now when you point your hash at a pool the pool is brains pool foundry and pool luxor whatever it may be and that's one corporate entity uh that is very public that um that controls the hash rate of that pool and constructs blocks and broadcasts them to the network uh very centralized right now uh many every bitcoiner that i know that is objective would admit that um what fedipool would do is sort of distribute this process uh in a federation where you'd have this pool that would exist in what's known as a fediment a federation of um key signers

that control this pool and basically what you would do is you'd have a federation of more than one pool ideally like 8 to 12 and they're not even pools there's a federation of block constructors that basically you would point your hash at this federation and so

instead of having one block constructor you would have 12 and the way fedements work they don't have to be public so you could have sort of anonymous block constructors there are some trust trade-offs but if you can uh if as a fed up pool you can engender trust with your clients like it could work in a

way in which it's significantly more anonymous than uh the current pool structure that exists today but yeah the pool structure as exists today is a is a massive regulatory attack vector but also with that being said i do think the trend that arose during covid of states asserting their autonomy from the federal government works in our favor too so here in the us most the hash rate is here in texas where i am now and i find it hard to believe um that texas wouldn't stand up for businesses here mining operations specifically and stand up against the federal government say hey we're not going to intrude on this too much yeah that makes sense i've heard uh i've heard a lot of people speculate that texas is going to go blue sometime in the next 10 to 15 years

you think that's true or not i don't know they're certainly trying to but uh the legislation that was put forward this week is a good uh a good uh tool against that that's the uh like hb2 something incentivizing people to stay married and have families or yeah i think that works in uh uh and keeping texas red now i've only been in texas for a year and a half now um everybody not everybody but most texans that i know are going to fight hand tooth and now to keep texas the way it has been for 187 years now that's good to hear that's good to hear that's that's been one of the states where i've considered strategically relocating sometime in the future because i you know as you know i live here in california and uh i love this place man but it scares me dude

it scares me you know this is when i look at digital ids digital vaccination passports central bank digital currencies i see this state being one of the states that would be the first to adopt those things and uh i i never want to let you know my kids or my family get any of these experimental gene therapies i never want that stuff forced on us no no neither do i it's part of the reason i'm in texas but uh i don't know what do you think i have this theory like i'm more white pilled i think that a lot of um a lot of people are worried about like the cbdc and even in bitcoin or i think we're because we have a few things working in parallel here that are going to coalesce and i think incite a complete collapse in confidence in the institutions

like the vaccine rollout people are beginning to wake up to that and be like what the fuck what the fuck what the fuck uh financial crisis i think we're going to have those two particularly happening in parallel and then coalescing it seems like the timing could be perfect where you have a degradation in the financial system with this mass awakening like oh shit we were just poisoned by our government and forced to take it where I think the likelihood of people beginning to fade the federal government and say, no, you don't have any authority over me is going to increase. I think civil disobedience is going to be making its way back in the next decade. Could be naive. Could be a bit hopeful, too hopeful, but. No, I don't think it is naive.

Are you familiar with Edward Dowd and his thesis on the COVID crisis? Yeah, it's been on the podcast a few times. Really? Nice. Yeah, I really like him. And his thesis has been extremely compelling to me. So for those who are unfamiliar with him, Edward Dowd, former analyst at BlackRock, his perspective on the entire COVID crisis is that it was intentionally created because there's going to be a sovereign debt bubble collapse because this entire, you know, fiat-based economy of debt that's just ever increasing into infinity. it's a house of cards that will eventually collapse and his thesis for those unfamiliar is that this this pandemic was intentionally brought upon society in order to create a controlled

demolition of the global economy as opposed to a spontaneous collapse and he believes that what they want to do is have like the infrastructure for digital vaccine passports digital ids central bank digital currencies social credit scoring systems in place before the debt bubble collapse and before the economy just completely goes to so that when all that happens people will already have social credit scores attached to their digital ids and so on and so forth and that would therefore disincentivize people from rioting and you know disincentivize complete social unrest once people realize what has been done to our global economy and uh i think it's i think it's a very compelling thesis and

are you familiar with the fact that are you familiar with like event 201 just prior to yeah yeah did you see the latest simulation that that that same group of people ran catastrophic contagion uh that was that the one that was like a bird flu or i don't think it was bird flu is called sears s-e-e-r-s so for for those listening if you look up catastrophic contagion uh the same group that hosted event 201 the coronavirus pandemic simulation one month before covet happened bill and melinda gates foundation johns hopkins university and the world health organization they just ran another pandemic simulation called catastrophic contagion in april of, not April, October of 2022. They dated this pandemic as being in 2025. Who knows when it'll

happen? But what we do know is Bill Gates, Joe Biden, leaders at the G20 summit, all these different people, probably Klaus Schwab too, they've all said there is going to be a second pandemic and it's going to be bigger and worse than the first one was. Okay. And I think that they definitely want to do what Edward Dowd was describing and that this this pandemic will coalesce with this like debt bubble collapse that you were describing. And I think at that point in time, like things are going to pop off. You know, I think I think there's I look at the central bank digital currencies and the digital IDs and the social credit scores and all that stuff. I mean, this is the complete antithesis of american freedom i i personally see a lot of civil unrest

in america when that happens a lot of red states basically saying you to the federal government trying to push that stuff on the rest of the nation and uh who knows what will happen man you know i it's it's this is like 1776 territory you know what i mean and uh it feels like our hand is kind of being forced it is and it's it's so weird it's gotten to this point where if like at some point just having this conversation if we had this conversation there's a timeline i could see where if we have the exact same conversation in 2025 we'll be labeled as radicals uh and have the states go call us domestic terrorists and all that stuff yeah but again i i do think again maybe this is naive and you know i'm denying the evidence of

the last three years right in front of my eyes but i think they're getting sloppy like i don't think they can control a good example with like extending the economic system uh and trying to delay the collapse into 2025 i'm not sure they're going to be able to do that like you see right now with the fed raising rates getting close to six percent they're gonna have to go higher inflation has not been tamed and now they have this elephant in the room which is china is reopening its economy so like there's these unforeseen variables at play that i don't think they could have even war-gamed out that are that are coming to fruition like the fed is destroying demand and raising rates which is causing mass layoffs in the tech sector and else other places people's auto loan

payments are going up people's housing payments are going up so you have trouble in the job market real estate market uh car market uh now you have china opening up too which is going to drive demand for oil steel all these raw inputs in the economy so they're going to raise rates and they're not going to succeed in curbing inflation it's actually probably going to get worse moving forward and i don't think that's something they foresaw or can control once it's happening so hopefully there's hopefully if there's a wrench in that plan which i mean if they're running the war games you can you can bet it's a plan they'll sprinkle in some cyber attacks and grid infrastructure attacks as well um well and i i think that's how they transition everybody

into the system that they want. Right. Cause if, if the whole thing collapses and they're like, Hey, you know, we'll, we'll, in order to keep everything running, we'll give you universal basic income so that you can keep getting bread. You know, there's a lot of people that I think would be like, well, shit, I've lost everything, but you know, somehow the government's going to give me some universal basic income. I just need to completely comply with their system and also get uh you know the latest vaccines and all this stuff i think a lot of people who are not awake would just sleepwalk right into that system of tyranny you know yeah which is why which is why bitcoin's so important because it's like hey we could uh we could exit this yeah well that's

that's always the big question in my mind how do we quote unquote get those people awake uh as quickly as possible just keep speaking right that keep speaking and keep praying bro it's like how can the people who are still doing everything that the government is telling them to do be doing that considering all the evidence we have of them being objectively uh evil over the last three years particularly like why would you ever keep going back to that trough brute force manufactured consensus you ever seen that you ever seen that 4chan red text talking about how physically weak men and women can't they they can't afford to think for themselves because they're physically weak sorry for the background noise it's trashed it here

yeah it's it's dude it's it's honestly crazy it's i think it's brute force manufactured consensus where people are seeing you know on every screen that they look at you've got the fact checkers being like hey this is what the narrative is and they just assume hey everybody else must think like me but also too you have this uh you have this like iq component to it all right where you know you're probably familiar with edward bernays the father of propaganda and his quotes about how in order to properly organize a society you have to propagandize people and you know the reality is that the majority of the population has an iq between 95 and 105 right and half the population has a below average iq and what that means is like the the majority

of people like kind of need to be told what to think like it's hard for a lot of people to really process all of the information and critically think about everything and like put all the pieces together they get they just kind of have to rely on people creating narratives that they can believe in so that they can continue to live their lives and uh it's a problem because the people with the most credibility and authority are selling them lies. And people look at lies in every direction and they just assume, well, this must be the truth if everybody's saying it. And, you know, that's why I think that's why it just comes down to leaders like us to be

like, hey, this is what's actually going on here. Let me break it down for you so that you can make sense of everything that's happening here. And, you know, I just pray that God can position as many people as possible like that to help, you know the rest of the flock make sense out of everything so that they can wake up out of it because we we really need leaders to help lead people into freedom you know what i mean i totally know what you need i mean and again i think yeah maybe i'm too optimistic i'm internally optimistic which sometimes may be a bad thing but i like to have hope that we're going to get out of this and

i do think those leaders are presenting themselves like ed dowd like the last time i recorded with him my dad was sending me like pictures of his book like two days after he listened to the podcast like he went out bought it right away my dad's pretty clued into what's going on but based i don't think ever in the history of the five years five and a half years of this podcast he's ever like actually bought the book of the guest i've had on and like dove into it and i know he's been talking to his friends about it like hey like marty had uh this guy on the podcast here's his book like you guys should be aware of this um i do think people like ed dowd like yourself uh and others out there who are getting this message out are beginning to gather more

credibility in the eyes of the people who've been duped over the last three years and that's one thing we we i shouldn't say we but like a lot of bitcoiners have been trying to figure out for better part of 15 years now is like, how do we get the Bitcoin narrative condensed to a point where it seems more favorable than the incumbent system and just keep going down that road? Yeah. That's what, that's, that is one of the most important problems to solve because a lot of people, like I've got a lot of friends and they look at Bitcoin and they don't get it. And I spend time breaking it down to them. And after I spend a few minutes breaking it down to them, they're like, oh, I get it. Okay, this is totally superior. But one of the challenges of Bitcoin is

that, you know, it takes a lot of responsibility to properly hold and store and secure your Bitcoin. And not a lot of people are technologically savvy enough to fully understand everything that's going on there. You know, they can, you know, scan a check to deposit into their bank account and go pull out money from an ATM. It's like, okay, that's easy. But storing, you know, your your seed phrases and and all that kind of stuff like that's that's a different ball game for the average person and uh well that this goes back to there this goes back to narrative right like i wouldn't say it's hard for the average person i would just say it's like a new experience it's not hard to write down 12 or 24 words it's just a like an abnormal experience that they've

never encountered in their life where it's like so it's just new it's not hard and just i think wallet software is particularly these days are getting much better at making that onboarding experience seamless you can download an app and have a wallet within two minutes and then within the app educating people like hey there's something that you need to store to make sure if you lose your phone you can get your bitcoin back and i think it's small things like that but that's the other thing like i think bitcoiners have done themselves a disservice um i'm guilty of it too in the early years of this podcast is saying like no it's like hard to store bitcoin it's actually pretty easy it's just a foreign experience that you're gonna have

to get comfortable with yeah yeah and it it's it it's a small degree of increased responsibility that gives you a large degree of freedom in return yeah and ultimately that's i mean that's the entire name of the game moving forward is helping people learn how to be responsible so that they can safeguard their own freedom you know what i mean and i'm i'm optimistic too bro like like we're up against a lot we're up against a lot but at the same time i firmly believe we have the god of the universe on our side because the forces that we're up against are complete obviously satanic like it's it's like hilarious how obviously satanic they are but we have a god of miracles on our side who answers prayers and he listens to our prayers and he, he, he honors the prayers

of the faithful if they're to the father's glory. And I'm like, dude, nothing is impossible for God. So, you know, how can we pray really effectively for, uh, for leaders and for opportunities for freedom? These are always the questions on my mind, you know? Yeah. Who are you, who are you seeing as leaders that are emerging in your mind? I don't, I don't see any, uh, I don't see any leaders that have the complete package.

Um, I don't know, man, I'm, I'm like, I'm like mildly blackpilled on the, uh, the leaders of the freedom movement and the right wing in America, because everybody's just constantly at each other's throats. And, uh, it seems like we're being pulled in all these different directions and very few of them understand how important the money is to all of this very very few people do outside of the bitcoin community i don't know man you know i like i like uh well i'll hold off on that because it gets it gets a lot of people riled up a lot of people riled up so well that's like that's why i feel very thankful for the i don't know i don't even consider it is a career but like for the work that i do and get

paid for is extremely gratifying extremely humbling then like it's gratifying because like you don't have to like that i do not respect many of the quote-unquote conservative thought leaders and people are out there like tweeting and like highly yes highlight the stuff we know we know it's all fucked like what are you doing about it like you're not going to pass law like i'm just an acceleration i just see a bunch of reactionary grifters exactly they're constantly like look at what the left is doing now and i'm like bro how about you propose a way forward like we know we know that they're trying to subvert everything we know that they're destroying civilization we don't need to be in this constant emotionally reactionary state like let's find a

path forward beyond all this you know yeah that's what you conservative influencers doing that and And that's where you can spend your time doing that or Bitcoin's an open source protocol that you can build on freely and actually enact change that you want to see. And that's why I decide to focus all my time on it is because this is something actionable that could actually get us on the other side

of this craziness. And it blows my mind that more of people who will LARP about being perturbed about the state of the world where everything's going and they don't do anything but like scream online yeah yeah what one of the objections that uh people have to the whole bitcoin thing is they're like dude you're not going to be able to transact with it on a daily basis anytime soon it's not functional money and then i'll tell them about like the lightning protocol and what's going down in el salvador and all that kind of stuff but like how how soon how soon do you see people

being able to actually transact on a daily basis with bitcoin how optimistic are you about that i mean like it's happening today like people are whether others want to recognize or not like this podcast perfect example like people are going to be listening to us and they're going to be streaming us bitcoin as they listen they're going to listen to via podcasting apps like fountain that have bitcoin while it's in it and they want to support the show so they stream me bitcoin for every minute they listen to an episode and they can boost me and you like if i really wanted to i could add you to the split of this episode and part of the bitcoin that's being streamed to our rss feed will get split to you um and this happened like i can check my wallet right now

i'll see hundreds of transactions that have happened in the last couple of hours of people doing that so like i use bitcoin receive bitcoin almost every minute of every day just from people listening to this podcast in terms of like going into a store and buying things with bitcoin i mean uh strike uh is getting more integrated with a lot of point of sale systems square i think square is going to be a massive um sort of hack for making bitcoin more of a transactional currency because Jack's pretty committed to Bitcoin and I would not be surprised if at some point in the next year or two they flip a switch

that makes it very easy for merchants to begin accepting Bitcoin right in their square POS terminals. It's here. You could do it today if you wanted to. It's just, I'd do it. People in El Salvador are doing it, over in Africa are doing it.

It's possible today. It's just not as widespread as you'd like it to be. And that's another thing too. particularly Americans critiquing Bitcoin. I think one of the big blockers they have is they don't recognize that this is a global movement. And even if the government does try to shut it down here, maybe they attack pools and individual miners here,

those businesses will just go under and Bitcoin will still survive and thrive in the emerging market world where it's happening today. So Bitcoin's a hydro. You're never going to kill it. Um, and as an American critiquing it, like I would just caution, like this thing's going to be successful.

It's going to be widely adopted and, uh, you can get in now and reap the benefits of the peer to peer network that provides you anti-censorship money and the sound money aspects of it. the overall value uh appreciation over the long term or you can just continue complaining about it saying you don't understand it and watch as everybody else adopts it around you yeah have fun being poor right yeah exactly where where uh where do you think the price per coin is going to be at in 15 years marty i don't know i think we're going to experience legit hyperinflation so like the denominator in dollars could be trillions of dollars

what is the purchasing power of one bitcoin today's dollars in 15 years I wouldn't be surprised if it's 10 million or higher that's the other thing gradually then suddenly with these hyper inflationary events like we're in the gradual part

where people are like oh shit beef's like $2 more expensive a pound than it was like 6 months ago that trend's going to continue but at some point i think in the next decade you're going to hit like a venezuela zimbabwe argentina inflection point where it's just you wake up one day and you're racing to the grocery store to buy as much as possible when you get your paycheck right but i think that could be avoided too if we have this if we have a material transition of enough americans and

enough businesses to bitcoin or they're at least accumulating a small amount what are what are the companies that are making it easiest for businesses to transact in Bitcoin I mean BTC pay server is an open source payment processor that's what we use strike square Ibex Mercado out of Guatemala yeah those are the ones that come top of my mind and then like just basic wallet softwares like breeze or or blue wallet like if you have like a merchant like a hot dog cart or something like that they can just download a wallet in a minute and they want to accept bitcoin like boom qr code you owe me five bucks pay me five bucks worth of bitcoin

that's legit that's like yeah going back to like to people it is easier than most like i think there's just this cognitive dissonance not cognitive dissonance but this blocker this mental blocker where people think it's too hard but it's really not you should download an app and point a qr code yeah i want to go back to what you were talking about with the uh the streaming of bitcoin when people are watching your show so is this the kind of thing where like can people watch your show for free but also if they want they can like stream bitcoin to support it yeah yeah so adam curry is a host of the no agenda podcast uh co-host or co-host of no agenda co-host of like mo facts he's got like four or five podcasts but he invented podcasting with

steve jobs back in the day um used to work he was an mtv uh video jockey uh was really ahead of the curve when the internet blew up in the 90s um he invented podcasting and he became enamored with bitcoin years ago and then when lightning network came out he had an aha moment like all right i'm going to develop podcasting 2.0 so that's what enables um these lightning payments as people are listening uh and he's leveraging the model he created at no agenda which is value for value give the content for free but if people are getting value out of it ask them okay if you're getting value and you want to support the show send it our way and for uh the first 15 years of no agenda people would do that by literally sending them checks or cash or paypelling them

and now with bitcoin it's just made significantly easier so we created podcasting 2.0 and basically what that does is just podcasts go out via rss feeds and you just added a section of like html code to the rss feed which is calling a value block which allows you to put a lightning network public address or multiple public addresses in your rss feed where now when i send my podcast out vrss gets picked up apple spotify uh overcast all the podcasting apps um but my rss feed has that lightning network address in it. So now you're finding podcast apps like Fountain, Breeze,

Roadcaster, a bunch of others that are plugging into that functionality and adding lightning wallets to their podcast player apps where users can now participate in that value-for-value model directly in the podcasting app. Is it lucrative?

Not yet. I mean, I've got... I've made probably like 10 million sats on rabbit hole recap, which is the other show I do in the last like six months. So that's 2.2 grand right now. Um, but again, it's so small, it's such a niche market. Like if every listener that listens to the show was to participate and give me, uh, give me like a dollar an episode or 50 cents an episode, a quarter, an episode, it would be very lucrative, but it's not

lucrative now just because of how nation it is and how little people understand about or even aware about that it exists you know what would be sick is uh if if so when i'm on the whatever podcast brian the host he streams live on youtube and then he's got a super chat feature where people can spend 10 bucks 50 bucks 100 bucks however much and then they get their super chat and it displays at the bottom of the screen and then we respond to it it would be sick to stream live if i don't know if anybody's figured this out but to stream live and then people could super chat in bitcoin yes that'd be dope a company has figured out it's called vita go to vita v-i-d-a dot live and you can you can set that up um so you set up the vita.live page you start

live streaming and similar to like something like restream you can plug in the uh rtmp token of your youtube page or your twitter page or whatever um and send it out to all those platforms but then people go to vita.live your room there and that's where they can super chat in bitcoin it'll pop up on youtube and all that that's awesome yeah that's legit yeah it's uh it's happening that's the thing i think the market's going to grow into this it's just making more people aware of it and taking away the uh the mystique of it all people thinking it's too hard it's not that hard well i mean i'm personally excited to direct my audience towards this podcast so they can hear more about it because i think there's a lot of people out there who want

freedom but they don't understand bitcoin and they don't understand the opportunities that it offers in the realm of freedom, we really got to bridge that gap. Agreed. Agreed. You know, like there's a ton of people that want freedom and they want to fix the degeneration of our society that they don't realize yet is rooted in money. And I'm excited to direct a few people towards this

so that we can start bridging that gap for them mentally. Well, likewise, I think we need, those people are yearning for freedom to get into bitcoin start using it start building on it we need more minds building on it to get it to more people but then on top of that like i would like going back to like the conservative think boys like how do we engender that call to action like it's not going to be like it takes some personal responsibility like it's going to take a little bit of effort i'm saying it's not easy or it's not hard because i don't think it's hard but it does take a little bit of effort and intention which i worry that is like one of my my biggest

worry for bitcoin in the long term is apathy even though i'm extremely optimistic i worry about like the apathetic not even masses but like the apathetic people who want this but aren't willing to take one extra step to secure that freedom well i mean honestly man at the end of the day like the people that want it bad enough are going to work to secure it and like a lot of people just want to be led into it and we can do we can do the best job we possibly can to lead them into it but like you know it's like jocko willing says right discipline equals freedom you've got to have discipline you've got to have responsibility you have to work to be the master of your own fate nobody's going to do it for you because the alternative is i mean you know if you want

you know universal basic income and your fake meat deliveries on a daily basis and your your your soy slop and all that kind of stuff yeah you can you could probably get that uh pretty easily you know but if you really want to fight for your freedom you know there's there's going to be work to do but like we just need to pave a way for them you know what i mean like i said it's extremely gratifying too once you take the extra step like with this site with uh like these sats that'll be streamed on this episode goes straight to a node that i control and there's something extremely gratifying knowing that i control that like there's no paypal there's no mastercard there's no venmo there's no bank of america to say uh jason marty we're telling telling people to get

married early we don't like that we're gonna we're gonna freeze their money like having that peace of mind is extremely gratifying. 100%. Speaking of which, who are your favorite video streaming platforms and stuff like that in terms of being censorship resistant and actually committed to freedom? I know a lot of people love Rumble. This is a question that's been on my mind because a lot of people are asking me to start a podcast and I'm like, okay, which platform do I want to commit to? What do you think about that? my strategy has been use all of them. Just secure yourself by spreading it over as many places.

So we, we post our stuff on rumble. It doesn't get nearly as much attention as it does on YouTube. We won't post this on YouTube because I'll get kicked off because I've talked about COVID too much on it. But so I'll put this on rumble, but this on bitcoin tv.com bit shoot, I guess Vita,

I think they plan on having content live on the site as well, not just being a pure streaming platform. That's hard. I recommend hosting your own site too. I know the platforms are good for distribution and discovery, but at the end of the day, if you have an audience that's engaged and is going to go find your content, I think having a site on top of that where that lives

is important as well so that's why i syndicate the newsletter via ghost site that i control um yeah it's hard because youtube's pretty cucked like they seem super cucked i can't like i had a doubt on um and got a strike still in youtube jail for just talking about facts and insurance data and stuff like that yeah they're uh super gay i don't i don't like youtube everybody's like dude you gotta you gotta start a youtube channel i'm like bro you know how quickly i would get kicked off if i went literally like first video bro yeah it's uh yeah but then there's i mean i'm not sure you've been paying attention to isn't that video streaming yet i think it's possible at some point in the future but um we're video hosting but this decentralized communications

protocol noster which is allowing i've been hearing a lot about that yeah i think there's a lot of promise there in terms of building a censorship resistant what is important to make the distinction that's a protocol layer where individuals and companies can build clients on top of that protocol and it's extremely hard to censor the communications going through that protocol just do the way that that communication is relayed via these relays that you can spin up yourself so if you really want to get a message out on noster you just spin up your own relay have your audience connect to that and they would be able to get that and there would be other relays that would syndicate it as well um so that's providing a lot of hope in my life right

now too oh yeah yeah i've been on it for like seven months now is it is it kind of like twitter in the user interface or how does that work so again nostre is a protocol um and what you what you're seeing is a bunch of different clients plugging into that protocol and creating user interfaces and user experiences. Some of them are Twitter-like. So like Domus, if you're on iOS, if you have an Apple product, you go to Domus, D-A-M-U-S.io, download the app. You create a profile there. There's others like snort.social, iris.to, which are web clients. But yeah, the idea is you have this protocol. People are sending messages throughout protocol and the clients create these experiences that pull those messages out and present them to

you okay interesting interesting yeah i've seen a ton of people say that it's lit and they're really enjoying it there's it's literally impossible i mean it's not impossible to censor but it's extremely hard individual relays could decide not to syndicate your messages but the incentive structure is that if you can spin up your own relay you can get your message out there and the likelihood of every relay censoring your messages is is significantly lower than twitter censoring your messages or something like that are are people that are running relays incentivized in any way to like not censor your message um paid relays are popping up so that's the other thing I think Nostra is really integrating the lightning network where you can spin up these relays and put a paywall on them and say, hey, I'm putting up all this beefy server infrastructure.

Like I need to get paid for the service and paid for the filtration of the messages, pay my relay and I'll facilitate what you want to get, what you want to happen. So that's probably the biggest incentive carrot there. That's good to know. Yeah, because I'm always looking at this from the perspective of like, OK, at some point down the line, like political dissidents, they're going to try everything they possibly can to censor us, stop us from communicating with one another. You know, like we were talking about earlier in the conversation, if things pop off down the line as they try and push this whole new world order agenda, they're going to try and silence everybody that's speaking out against it, you know, coordinating any sort of resistance, ideally peacefully. But, you know, you come after people with forced experimental gene therapies, things will start to get weird. But the point is that I think they'll try and censor a lot of people. And it's good to know that there's stuff like that that exists that is very difficult to shut down.

Yeah. Again, I'm extremely optimistic. And that's the other thing. I don't think the powers that be, I think they're getting sloppy. I don't think they're aware of the gravity of Bitcoin and protocols like Nostr to really subvert their ability to do any of the things that they did the last three years in terms of censorship. I think they're really banking on people not actually taking the time to become disciplined with communication and things like Bitcoin and stuff like that. I think they're really banking on people being so apathetic that they won't pursue this other stuff. and uh yeah i'm bullish on the alternatives i'm also i still find it amazing that your uh

your little ticker right there keeps displaying two two two while we've been talking about that isn't it crazy synchronicity it's it's unbelievable it feels 100 like a god thing right are we gonna win that's the other thing of course we're gonna win bro of course we're gonna win absolutely that's what uh i say that all the time i tweet that out like we're gonna win that's another thing i give gender confidence in people too a lot of people just feel so beaten down like ah beating the government it's gonna be so hard and i like that's i think that's the beauty another like optimistic silver lining of this culture war and this war for freedom and the digital age is that we can fight

this war in the digital world which can be extremely peaceful yes you can fight it from the comfort of your couch if you want i don't recommend that i think you do need to get out and go shake your farmer's hand and make sure he's supported and you're getting good food and taking care of your body as well but um i do think the possibility of a peaceful transition is much higher today than it was in times past when when revolutions were needed to be had yeah i mean i as far as the whole confidence thing goes because i want to ideally stay away from discussion of revolution personally uh because i i still don't know how i feel about talking

about that stuff online because it definitely seems like it's coming down the line but um And as far as the whole optimism thing goes, Marty, what I'll tell you is, you know, like I said earlier in the conversation, we've got the God of the universe on our side. And in my own life, dude, I've had so many prayers that were like very, very specific that I prayed and was diligent and disciplined in continuing to pray. I've had so many of these prayers where I saw God with exact specificity and perfect precision answer the prayers down the line. to the point where like no reddit atheist could be like bro it's just coincidence like it's like it's completely impossible for these answered prayers to just be coincidence like it's i i look at them and i clearly see the work of god in in these prayers being answered and uh i'm you know i'm extremely bullish on on on our god dude like he when you look throughout the bible

and even the events of the american revolution you see a pattern where you know one of one of god's personality traits because a lot of people like they look at god and they they think he's like this like impersonal source energy but like when you dig into the bible no he's an actual person his name is yahweh or jehovah however you want to pronounce it and he has distinct personality traits and one of his personality traits that you see play out time and time again throughout the bible is like things will get really bad his people will be up against just these crazy tyrannical forces and they will call upon his name and and pray to him faithfully and right when things seem like they're at the worst and like like failure is inevitable boom

he'll swoop in and just miraculously deliver them right he'll he'll raise jesus from the dead after he was crucified and killed by his enemies he'll rescue moses from uh from the uh egyptians he the king david time and time again he would be surrounded by his enemies and he would overcome them victoriously and in the events of the american revolution you read the writings of the founding fathers many of whom were devout christians you know george washington spent pretty much every single day when he would wake up and go to bed at night spent in hours in prayer petitioning god like lord please deliver us in this cause and in the writings of the american revolution that time and time again they saw the hand of providence deliver them miraculously from

their enemies so much so that like they they felt that their cause was truly divine and god had their backs and it enabled them to win the revolution and i look at that and i'm just like dude like that's that's the god we have on our side and he's he's just he's just waiting for us to pray to him for deliverance and be faithful to him i mean you can make yeah no i totally know what you mean i think you can make the argument that bitcoin's messianic in a way literally satoshi popped up october 31st 2008 was like hey i have this thing called bitcoin it's launched in 2009 like literally in the depths of the great financial crisis like uh you guys need uh this thing to get away from the terrible thing you just experienced what what do you think about the

people who claim or what do you think about the claim people make that like like the whole thing could have been like an nsa or cia op or something the creation of bitcoin what do you think about that because people bring that up sometimes and i never know what to say to it it could have been and if it was like they were definitely war gaming like oh this is uh this financial system's going to implode like we need to make sure this thing exists so when it does implode people have something to go to so that the mob doesn't come after us and uh and take care of us in terms of like them being able to like because that's usually what people anchor to with the nsa theories like oh the government controlled the protocol was like objectively no it's open

source it's been the code base has been audited for again 14 14 years and three months now by hundreds thousands of individuals globally distributed that i doubt are government actors and if the nsa was going to sneak a backdoor into bitcoin to control it in any way like it probably would have been found by now yeah yeah yeah yeah i i uh i'm not like like probably like many of your guests who are like super super super focused on bitcoin i see it as like the tool that it is which is an insanely valuable tool but i also kind of like i have my my mind on like all of these different factors when it comes to like the culture and like what's happening in politics what's happening with the elites like trying to balance all of these things so i i like i like

learning from bitcoiners that are you know really deep into it uh yeah because i'm not it's it's i mean that that's i was too i was like in the politics and i'm gonna definitely still pay attention to it and definitely pay attention and comment on the culture war from time to time once you find bitcoin it's like we have it right out here the studio fix the money fix the world like again we'll reiterate most of the problems that exist in the world today emanate from a broken money like you can't go out and fix culture you can't fix politics you can't fix food you can't fix energy until you fix the fucking money. Yep. Yep. Would you, uh, would you can, I have a question for you. Would you

consider yourself a conspiracy theorist or realist? You ever look into all that stuff? Oh yeah, definitely. I mean, people call me Marty Jones from time to time. Um, I don't think I'm a conspiracy theorist. I think I'm objective and know how to think critically. People definitely label me one uh who do you i have a question who do you who do you think we're up against in this in this war who do you think's calling the shots trying to uh consolidate their grip over mankind do you think it's a coordinated effort do you think it's just a bunch of sloppy elites trying to push towards you know a new world order what do you think's happening here i don't know i go back and forth making confidence or malice i think there's some malice who is it i don't know um

Um, you hear like the Davos class is just, uh, the puppets that like the, the ancient families are controlling about them. I don't know anything about that. Um, yeah, I think again, just looking at pure incentives of the way the global governance structure has been erected, it fine tunes for psychopaths, right? i think nobody nobody wants to be a politician unless you're psychopathic and want power so i think the structure sort of creates the condition by which all these psychopaths get to power and then they want more power um yeah i think it's a product of the system and how it's been

constructed obviously i think central banking's a big part of it as well on top of the political system i think they're completely intertwined at this point um i mean it does seem like bill gates klaus schwab those types have weird intentions um but at the end of the day it doesn't matter like i i don't think it matters like you can try to theorize what who's doing what and what their intentions are at the end of the day it just had to accept is the way the world is and i can theorize all day and like try to point at what i think the problem is where you can just work on the solution which i think is much more productive why i decide to focus on bitcoin yeah i uh i definitely appreciate the solutions-based thinking it's one of the

questions that's always on my mind because i just you know i'm a student of biblical prophecy and the Bible has a lot to say about what would happen in the final days and there's a lot of end times prophecies that are coming true right now around us and part of me always wonders like is this coming true because these end times prophecies

are fulfilling divinely right now or is this stuff happening because the elites are using the book of Revelation and these various prophetic texts throughout the Bible they're using it as like a playbook to demoralize the masses it's one of the questions that's always on my mind because i'm like if if they're just using it as a playbook a lot of the stuff that's

happening right now is just a total psyop to try and get us to think that we can't win right oh yeah now if if if if these things are happening and they're being fulfilled divinely then okay i want to focus on solutions but i also want to focus on preparing for what is to come and the eventual rise of the antichrist and i want to focus on you know raising my family up creating a family and raising that family up to be as strong and and as as firmly rooted in christ as they can possibly be so that they have no fear about what would happen in the final days but i just dude i look at like you mentioned bill gates i look at people like him and i'm like man what is what is going on here you know like earlier early in covid i uh

it was weird like the the media coverage of covid was very weird to me because it seemed extremely coordinated and then bill gates was being platformed as like the guy who had the answers you know you've got this yeah this software developer who couldn't even keep viruses out of his own computer well he wasn't even a software developer he stole xerox's code and then had underwear yeah that's like so okay you got this fraud in software who couldn't even keep viruses out of his own computer software but now he's being platformed as the expert that knows how to deal with viruses in the human body despite having no experience in that and you know he's like well you know we're not getting out of this pandemic until all seven billion of us have been

vaccinated and i heard that and i was like all right dude who appointed you king of the world And also that's not even how, this isn't even how like epidemiology works, you know, like you've got people who establish natural herd immunity. Right. And that's, that's a part of this. If we're really talking facts about epidemiology, that's a part of the solution here. It's not just all 7 billion of us getting vaccinated. and when i heard him say that i was like all right bro you're full of shit all of this is part of some huge like master plan to push us towards some sort of vaccination tracking system right and like you know all these red flags alarm bells were going off in my mind when he made that statement i started watching him very closely paying attention to the things that he was saying and that microsoft was doing and uh on april 26th of 2020 microsoft was awarded a very interesting patent did you see what that patent was uh yeah the the chips in the um or wasn't

like something to do with like injectable chips or something like that so it's it's a it's a device they don't specify what kind of device it is but this device they did specify would connect to the human body and sensors of some sort in the human body and this device would monitor all of your biometric data. So we're talking brainwaves, where you're directing your conscious attention, your heartbeat, presumably your vaccination status, although I don't think I found anything in the text of the patent describing that. So it collect all of your biometric data. And then in exchange for your

biometric data, this device would give you access to cryptocurrency. Okay, and stuff like that. So I'm like, all right. I'm like, all right device that connects to your body and gives you access to cryptocurrency huh this is interesting this sounds like the biblical mark of the beast described in revelation chapter 13 verses 16 through 18. and the biblical mark of the beast in revelation 13 it says it has the number six six six okay and that the patent number for this international patent that microsoft was awarded was zero six zero six zero six and i saw bill gates the antichrist like does that give you i don't think he's the antichrist

because when you read when you read through the bible there's all these different verses that describe the personality of the antichrist right he's going to be a military genius an economic genius he's going to have a distinct physical appearance and he's going he's basically going to create a religious cult on earth and people are going to worship him thinking basically that he's jesus christ right and he's going to create a one world government all this stuff this guy is going to be the most charismatic and clever leader the world has ever seen and i think i think bill gates is is not bad um but i do think i do think you know i look at that technology and i see okay this if this isn't a patent for the mark of the beast it appears to be part of the

infrastructure of the mark of the beast and i look at you know i look at people like him and elon musk with his Neuralink brain chip and people like Klaus Schwab saying, Oh, yeah, we're gonna have, we're gonna have micro chips in everybody's brains in the next, you know, 10 to 15 years, I think they're all part of this Antichrist agenda, but I don't think any of them are in particular the Antichrist. But yeah, dude, I looked at that patent. And the fact that the freaking patent number was 060606. I'm like, bro, what is

going on here? And I hit up a hit up a very successful patent attorney about this and i was like hey man like i just saw this weird patent and i wanted to know like was this was this patent number is this something that would have been randomly assigned or what are there satanists working at microsoft that like would have applied for that specific patent number like what's going on here and he goes yeah all of these international patent numbers are randomly assigned oh yeah and so in my mind one of two things happened with that patent that was either divine fulfillment of biblical prophecy or people over at microsoft somehow bribed international patent offices to get that specific number as part of you know maybe a psyop

or maybe they're intentionally trying to fulfill biblical prophecy or whatever they're trying to do right but i look at that and i'm like okay something's going on here what is it is it the fulfillment of biblical prophecy or is this part of some larger psyop agenda because if it is part of some larger psyop agenda and the antichrist isn't going to rise for who knows you know decades or maybe hundreds of years if it is a psyop agenda then we can beat it you know what i mean and i want it which is why i'm into bitcoin yeah i think we can beat it i go back and forth on it i go back and forth on it because i'm like okay if this is god's plan if this is god's plan there's no stopping it right and my my time is best spent preparing myself and

my family for the final days and there's there's many many ways that you can do that one of the reasons why i look at bitcoin is because the mark of the beast system it says in the bible whoever you're going to need the mark of the beast to buy sell and trade under the antichrist economic system and i look at bitcoin as something where it's like okay maybe that's an exit strategy for the mark of the beast seems like it would be a pretty good one you know and so i'm like i go back and forth in my mind i'm like okay if this is god's plan there's no stopping it and it's it's my my best my best game plan here is to just align myself with god's will so he can protect me and my family especially my family or this is all psyop and we can beat it because the elites are

a bunch of like wannabe satanists you know people and uh we should totally overcome it you know so i go back and forth on it in my mind yeah i think they're definitely say i mean like we said earlier they're definitely satanists among us and they are a bit sloppy like the whole sam smith thing at the the grammar because that's the thing about luciferianism right it's like you have to be overt with your messaging and your symbolism they're so overt bro it's crazy it's like if you go back and you do like the history of like hollywood particularly in like the 70s and 80s where luciferianism was becoming like in vogue it was like a it was like a cool thing to do in hollywood you get like sammy davis jr and a bunch of others like trying to convert people to

luciferianism um and this is not like any anybody listening to this like oh you're fucking marty jones's office like this is all very well documented go read the devil's chessboard um there were scenes is that the cia book yeah yeah um like alan duels and all those are all is it duels or dollars dollars i think um i don't know i forget if it was him or somebody else whitney webb came on and talked about this a couple years ago but you know there has been like this satanist movement in hollywood and some parts of the intelligence apparatus for decades now yeah yeah it's uh and if that's the case that's them trying to will it into existence right like it's it seems it seems like they kind of are like it seems like they're like

i look at stuff like you know sam smith's grammys uh performance and uh like the ritual that they did do you ever see like the goddard tunnel opening ceremony over in switzerland oh yes where they've got like the demons dancing around like the babe like people dress like babies and all that stuff like they do like so many of these different rituals as i believe part of like an occult initiative to get people to believe in like the demonic so that they can through their belief almost like manifested into the real world and uh it's it's very it's very bizarre to watch it's very it's very very bizarre to watch and it's you know i i apologize to your listeners if they feel like i'm preaching about jesus too much and stuff and they feel like i'm a bible

thumper but it's like bro we're up against satanists and and jesus christ he's he's the victor over satan you know and christ casts out devils and i'm i'm trying to cast out some freaking devils in this culture bro you know what i'm saying yeah no i do i am as well i mean i'm not uh i'm not as like out in front like i do just call people demons and try to remind people like satanists are among us but again for me what i've decided is most productive for what i can bring in this fight against all this it's like action via focusing on bitcoin to like just rip the power out of their hands which i think is a fantastic approach i think it's a fantastic approach i think i think men are most effective when they're like singularly focused on a mission

and they drive that as hard as possible you know it's kind of like taking a magnifying glass and putting it under the sun and like concentrating that beam you know once you can concentrate that beam it essentially becomes a laser that can cut through anything yeah we're gonna win and it takes like i'm focused on bitcoin you're focused on your divine path it seems the and a vehicle of God to try to really make people aware of this culture war and what's going on. And then there's others doing their things that are going to be additive to this.

And that's why I'm very heads down, get shit done, educate as many people about Bitcoin, build as much stuff in Bitcoin that I can to help others either adopt it or realize its potential, investing companies building out the infrastructure that is going to bring more people to it it's uh i think that's what i'm best suited for today's battle that we're in against these demonic kleptocrats well you've got you've got a well-known name in the space it seems like you're doing a great job man no thank you sir yeah stumbled into this too did you yeah it was

almost like divine intervention as well where i didn't even have the idea for this it was my 26th birthday in brooklyn was unemployed my dad mom came up to lunch for my birthday and my dad just incepted in my ear like hey bitcoin price is running up you know a lot about it you should write a newsletter and i wrote the first newsletter like three days later and then it took on a life of its own that's uh that's legit what what year was that 2017 2017 yeah that's that's dope yeah i i don't i don't know where uh i don't know where god wants to direct my path personally i'm you know i'm 27 turn uh 28 here soon and uh i'm just trying to trying to follow the signs that he's giving me you know and uh

when I see things like 222 on your little ticker there, I'm like, damn, maybe, maybe I'm on the path, bro. You know, just going to keep following the steps that he puts in front of me and, and, and walking through the doors that he's opening. And, uh, what I'm trying to, what I'm really trying to figure out to do right now is like, where, where am I supposed to direct my attention right now? You know what I mean? Like it's freaking crazy, dude. Like in the past week, so many doors have opened and I'm like, okay, like which, which ones am I supposed to walk through? You know? And I'm just like constantly in prayer trying to figure it out. And it's interesting, man. I'm, I'm, I'm really excited to see what God wants to do on the path and you

know, how he wants to use all of us. Yeah. Not that I'm wanting to give advice or recommend, but just like create your own doors. I think just keep doing what you're doing. don't let people co-op the energy that's what they got i think for bitcoin maybe the 222 in the bitcoin price as we're speaking it's like hey maybe we should tell it because that's the other thing like with the what's the dating podcast that all these clips whatever yeah the whatever podcast like i look at that and i just saw your clip and then i've seen a couple other clips of um there's that one clip of that girl this week where she was saying like a lot i imagine the uh that audience isn't as like tuned into what's going on with bitcoin that's

where i think we need to get like gen z um and the younger the younger generation like hey things may seem pretty crazy right now may seem pretty desperate it may seem like you don't have the best upside potential in your life but hey we have this bitcoin thing here i can really dude it's so important like gen z especially i've been thinking about this recently and this is something god's put on my heart is like they dude they they are the battleground man like that that generation that's like the critical generation in terms of like this whole new world order agenda and like the marxism and the communism and all that stuff like all these girls i've experienced this personally on the whatever podcast a lot of the girls that brian brings on

they're like 18 to 23 because you know he uses these dating apps to basically you know he matches with women and he's like hey do you want to come on a podcast to talk about dating and stuff and a lot of the girls are in that age demographic and they're all of their heads are just completely filled with like marxism and feminism and all this stuff and like oppression and patriarchy blah blah blah blah blah and uh like that's the generation that you know the the boys of that generation a lot of them are pretty demoralized in terms of the future right they look at like buying a house and and being successful in the future and they're like dude i don't see how i could do any of this stuff with how the world is you know going to and

uh i think for for for kids in that generation especially something like bitcoin where it's like hey you can park you can park the value that you're trying to store in this and become very wealthy in the future and build like a a good life for yourself that's a message that like almost none of these gen z kids have any awareness of and it's definitely a demographic that we need to reach from monetary sense but also from a spiritual and cultural sense and i've got a lot of hope in the gen z boys dude there's a lot of gen z boys it like it's honestly it's fascinating like they they're like returning to tradition as like rebellion against the culture like they want they're dude it's it's hilarious like like i talked to all these gen z boys on twitter and

twitter spaces they're super active in the twitter spaces and like they've all got pride in being like incels like they call them incels involuntary celibate but a lot of them are like voluntarily celibate but they still call themselves incels because they're like yeah no i i'm rejecting like the porn and the degeneracy and all this stuff like i'm not not participating in any of this you know i just i want what's good and what's right and a lot of them are fired up to uh combat all this stuff but they just don't know how yet and i've got i've got a lot of hope in in the gen z boys i do as well i've heard that i've got a good friend with a younger brother who's like in high school right now and he he's mentioned that to me like yeah there is this this growing trend

of particularly like 15 to 18 year olds like fuck this culture like return yeah and like porn's a big one man porn fucking kills people's minds and that's something i say on this show a lot too is like stop watching porn i think if you are like it's not only does it destroy your mind you're like enabling some terrible shit yeah and you're you you become a slave to it and i i think it's also like one of the most insidious psyops against like the nuclear family and stuff because if you're like if you're not even married yet but you're watching porn like you're just getting your mind filled with like this insane dopamine rush of seeing all these different women having sex and like the craziest most degenerate ways and your brain becomes less and less sensitive to like just

normal sexual interaction and i think it i think it's setting a lot of people up for failure from like the marital perspective and and uh it also just like it just like drains your brill dude like it saps your like life force you know what i mean and like it seems like all of these different things that the elites are doing it's all geared towards sapping sapping male life force in particular as much as humanly possible because if they can create millions of weak men who have no like fire inside of themselves you know then they've essentially won the war without firing a single shot and porn is like one of the biggest tools that they use in that way yeah and that's why the meme more is important like the coomer meme is very potent yes do you want to look like

this yeah this coomer yeah it is it's uh did you see uh i just posted earlier today uh speaking of like them sapping our vitality and stuff the latest stratospheric aerosol program it's like people talk about like chem chip chemtrails stratospheric aerosol injections this is not a conspiracy theory like you people call it a conspiracy theory but it's like dude the former director of the cia has he's literally on record on video saying yeah we need to we need to do like stratospheric aerosol injections to manage climate change and all this stuff and bill gates talks about doing it to dim the sun and the the the latest one that i saw earlier today my friend prodigal on twitter at prodigal the third uh there's the this latest stratospheric

aerosol program to dim the sun and it's the acronym is literally safe i saw you tweet that yeah it's insane it's so crazy bro it's so in it's so in your face i have to be overt with the messaging it's part of being the same nest yeah it's like it's like it's like like i feel like they're like mocking us almost oh they are well because think of the contradiction especially with like bill gates and that class of people they're telling us that we need to transition to wind and solar energy globally and at the same time they're talking about blotting out the sun like it makes no sense it's like yeah it's like it's a it's a humiliation ritual like we're gonna make you use this unreliable energy and then we're gonna blot out the sun that makes it so you can't

even harness it if you wanted to 100 i love i love that you're focused on energy because that's honestly that right there is one of the biggest psyops that's so easy to see through if you actually know the facts and uh and but they're getting people you know what i mean are you familiar with alex epstein yeah yeah i've had him on the show as well actually have fossil future right here let's go let's go yeah the energy discussion that's that's a big one yeah and that that's the other thing these people are getting so sloppy and i think we're we're definitely gonna win because i think that's another thing we've been fighting for years here before it was cool was esg

um the good thing is like again they're getting sloppy and these things are just collapsing in on themselves like down here in texas we had the grid failure in 2021 in california you guys are having rolling blackouts and i think people are beginning to wake up like oh wind and solar is not viable if you want sufficient base load for for your society and then with ukraine in russia i mean one can make the argument that war is only possible because russia realized they had the leverage because europe was buying all their natural gas because they fucking decommission all their nuclear power plants for wind and solar which aren't going to produce enough energy so they need the net gas and that could hold germany and crew at bay as they invaded ukraine it's like

it's a brilliant play really it well it's a brilliant play in terms of just taking advantage of what's given to you it's like all right germany you're gonna decommission nuclear power plants in favor of wind and solar in a place where it's not even that sunny yeah yeah good luck who do you think destroyed the north stream pipeline it was definitely us um us being the u.s i think yeah i i agree yeah the uh the the renewables thing man it's just it's honestly it's just it's it's hilarious to me especially here in california it's like you know gavin newsom he signed a bill recently saying that by 2035 all new cars sold in california need to be electric and i'm like dude you literally can't even keep the lights on in

our state right now as it is with the small amounts of electric vehicles that we have how on earth do you plan on producing enough electricity without going all in on nuclear and and hydrocarbon fossil fuel projects how on earth do you plan on producing enough electricity to power tens of millions of evs it's it's ridiculous it's it's logically impossible like it's impossible like the thing well that's and that's the other thing

going back to like narrative battle and what I've been trying to do on this show which I think has been successful to a certain extent particularly like

beating on ESG is just like highlighting holding a mirror up to these people and highlighting their hypocrisy like and

really walking people through their language like renewable energy like it creates this connotation of a perpetual motion machine in people's minds

like renewable just going to constantly renew and we're going to have electricity it's renewable it's perpetual it's not the case like wind turbines and solar panels have life cycles they have maintenance it's not renewable at all they have front ends of their supply chains most importantly that don't use wind and solar they use oil and gas and slave labor and i think that that's been the most potent tool of reasoning trying to break through the people on wind and specifically on this show just holding up a mirror and like you think oil and gas is bad but you are leveraging congo congolese slave labor to get cobalt out of the ground to get your wind turbines 40 000 children 40 000 child slaves that are getting lung diseases from being

in these mines and they're dying and people are like oh it's environmentally friendly it's like all right well the mining and extraction process is completely poisoning the earth in the process and your environmentally friendly virtuous ev was built off the blood and sweat of child slaves like yeah you feel you feel good about that yeah not only in congo and china the uighur slaves are building your solar solar panels they can only do it with their hands and then you just another potent tool is just rejecting the frame like i don't think there's a climate crisis i don't think i don't think increased co2 is bad i think it's good for plants i think we should be using more energy it's like particularly a bitcoin mining

a lot of bitcoiners like we need to tell everybody that bitcoin mining like uses renewables i'm like no just say i'd like literally lean into like bitcoin mining is going to use more and more energy like it's using a fraction of the total amount of energy we'll use in the future and that's not a bad thing more power generation is good for humanity and more co2 for plants is good for life on earth and that's not to say so what the climate hysterics really do is conflate co2 emissions with pollution like i think pollution's bad i don't think we should be polluting the earth i don't think we should be wasteful i don't think we should be poisoning any land or water um but those things aren't those things aren't like increased carbon

emissions isn't is mutually or not mutually like you do not need to have pollution have increase energy production you can do it in a very efficient way if you're just intentional about it 100 100 well part of the psyop is that you know like you're saying they've described co2 as a pollutant yeah they literally call it a pollutant it's like bro i breathe co2 are you telling me i'm polluting the earth by breathing you know the carbon they want to eliminate that's yeah facts straight up dude straight up and it's it's honestly so so interesting to me too this idea of like increasing co2 being good for the environment like this is something i want to see explored so much more in the culture because are you familiar with like hyperbaric oxygen

therapy uh yes i am my dad actually did some hyperbaric oxygen therapy last year so for for those who are watching who aren't familiar with it, hyperbaric oxygen therapy involves sitting inside of like a tank or like a pod or a capsule or whatever. And what they do is they pump multiple atmospheres of oxygen into this chamber. And then so you're breathing oxygen at a much higher rate than you would just in the world around you. There's way more oxygen concentration. And the benefit of this is that it like speeds up healing processes inside of the body. It eliminates disease. It's, it's incredibly good for you. And I look at like this entire agenda that we're up against and I'm like, okay, they have, like you said, they have this anti-carbon agenda and we

are the carbon that they want to eliminate. And it just leaves me wondering, okay, if plants breathe within CO2 and then exhale oxygen, and if we radically increased our carbon dioxide emissions, could we like slowly over time kind of create like a hyperbaric oxygen chamber effect on the planet? Would the benefit of that be massively increased thriving and survival of life on Earth? Would there be like a boom in life on Earth and our ability to thrive? Seems like it's possible. It's something I heard Alex Jones say in a podcast a while back.

And it's, it's like, who's to say that it wouldn't increase the health and vitality of all life on earth? Who's to say, what if, what if that's what they're trying to stop? You know what I mean? I mean, megafauna, megaflora, we're a thing. That's what it would be. Exactly. Exactly.

I was talking to my buddies. This is what got me thinking about all of this. I was talking to my buddy's dad and we were talking about how like, you know, way back in the day in biblical times people lived for hundreds of years and like you had giants and like you just said you know megafauna and stuff like this his theory he was like there might have been radically higher oxygen levels on earth at the time to support life like that and you know when you when you look at the basic function of the metabolism of the human body increased oxygenation and increased metabolism can significantly increase the health of an organism

And, you know, they've got this entire depopulation agenda, which I think is, you know, they want to make us eat fake meat and lower our testosterone levels and all this stuff so that they can create a weak population that they can control. What if radically increased carbon dioxide emissions would create a much stronger humanity? It seems entirely possible. and then you know when it comes to the renewables and stuff like it's it's honestly one of my favorite statistics when you look at the breakdown of energy production on earth marty you know you know how much energy on earth comes from renewables it's like less than two percent yeah and and and then you've got like nuclear and then you've got the vast majority about 85 produced by by hydrocarbons and it's like how are you going to replace all of that energy

with renewables you're not it's impossible there's not enough rare earth metals on the planet to create the harnessing infrastructure necessary it's literally impossible and the other thing you mentioned nuclear like nuclear is a smoking gun in this whole debate like it's if you're worried about carbon emissions with your energy production i mean nuclear is the way to go And it's the most dense form of energy humans have ever come into contact with. We're talking about being efficient and providing utility and electricity to humans. We should be spinning up as many nuclear power plants as possible. For some reason, the climate hysterics tell us we can't do that.

Well, their objection is that it's environmentally dangerous because you look at stuff like Chernobyl or the san onofre nuclear plants you know where they're they're leaking uh radioactive materials and like like pollution and stuff into the environment that's their objection like what would you what would you say to that it's overblown i think i think history has shown that like people dove into these meltdowns and they're pretty isolated and they don't have as massive effect that people are portraying them to have and then on top of that the what i understand is the um like nuclear power plants the module reactors of today are much safer and prevent the possibility of meltdown compared to the ones that were erected in the 70s

yeah did you did you ever watch chernobyl no i figured it was just some It was honestly an amazing little mini-series. I watched it a couple of years ago. I started watching it and I was like, holy smokes. The production value, it's amazingly produced. But the crux of it was that this is the theme that they really pushed throughout the show is that the entire catastrophe was caused not because of like inherent flaws in nuclear energy or anything like that. It was created, the catastrophe was caused by the fatal flaws of

Soviet communism and how everyone was incentivized to lie at every single level of the structure of of command and and those that specific reactor that melted down you know they were running tests on it and the guy the guy who was in charge of running the test wanted a promotion to the next level in you know the soviet command structure and he was told hey if you pass this test you know you'll get the promotion to the next job and he just really wanted the promotion and they're running the test and like all of these alarm bells are going off but he's just like impatient to get this promotion and he's like yeah just just just push forward we're going to pass the test push forward and they pushed the reactor way beyond where it was supposed to be produced or pushed

but they had some i can't remember exactly what it was but they had some sort of mechanism that was like it was it was it was a mechanism in these particular reactors that did not function properly and the people who had produced it had lied about it because of the way communism worked in in soviet russia and that was that was the fatal flaw but it was it was a fascinating show and uh it's a managerial crisis truly truly yeah no no maybe i shouldn't have said so assertively that like they're not as environmentally dangerous as possible but i think back to like fukushima i remember because i'm a surfer i remember a lot of the surfers were like posting the uh the pacific water flows like fokushima of the the toxic water flowing from uh the coast of japan like through

hawaii into like the west coast and there's a lot of like like doomsday rhetoric around that particularly and like nothing happened i don't think anything bad came of it yeah yeah well i feel like i mean you know compared to like shitty soviet reactors in the 70s like i can only imagine in the past 50 years we've probably advanced so far beyond that but people who fundamentally everything comes down to energy and if you can reduce energy and you can reduce people's access to energy you can control the world because energy allows people to thrive and when people are thriving and they're strong and you have strong economies it's extremely difficult to control them and uh you know nuclear is one of those things that i want i want to learn a lot

more about the safety of it because you know i want to cut through the narrative if it is truly safe i want to be able to cut through the narratives of like hey this is environmentally dangerous because i can't imagine that reactors that are being produced today have anywhere near the safety concerns that they've had in the past i would agree um like when was when was fukushima produced i'm not sure i'm not sure um yeah you can do it smarter maybe don't put a nuclear power plant on the coast i mean we're on a fault line like keep it pretty basic stuff yeah um yeah i think we're gonna go back to like energy like you can make the argument like maybe if there's one thing more important than money it's cheap abundant energy so that you

be productive and make i mean bitcoin is backed by energy to a certain extent you can't produce the hashes without electricity and make everything go around yeah we need we need we need economies and countries and people with access to as much energy in all of its forms as humanly possible coming from you know things like nuclear and hydrocarbons but also coming from the sun not dimming out the sun or food supply having access to red meat which is filled with nutrients that cause human beings to thrive and uh what do you think of the uh like the beef bitcoin movement are you uh pretty bullish on that oh yeah yeah i've had slim developments in that state i've had slim on many times i i buy half cat all the time in bitcoin

um from the rancher here in austin shout out knc shout coal um yeah is there a pretty decent industry building in that space it's good network i mean the industry is already there right it's just educating the ranchers about bitcoin and saying hey you have this um population of people particularly bitcoiners who want to buy your beef and want to support you with bitcoin they don't always accept bitcoin but that's i think there's been intention amongst a group of bitcoiners you can't use the broad brush label of the bitcoiners everybody has bitcoiners many different types but they're definitely um a movement within bitcoin circles to go shake your rancher's hand lock down a quarter cow half cow get your freezers load up get away from the soy slop

the central bro yeah chase my uh my wife is ringing me off the hook i think she's yearning for me to come home not yearning um but she probably is yeah the kids are uh yeah she'll probably my youngest let's go to bed in like an hour i should get home and see him marty i was i was honored to uh to come on thank you for inviting me and uh let me ask you is there anything you could use prayer for uh always um no and i wouldn't say for me particularly but just like i pray for bitcoin to succeed maybe pray for me to i'm talking you specifically how do you how do you if the god of the universe could move in your life help you accomplish anything you're you're you're trying to do what would it be um

be the best father that i can be okay that uh always trying to be a better father always recognizing when i fall short maybe don't pay or when i fall short i notice it irks me when i fall short as a father um very busy do a lot of work do a lot of different things podcasts the fun stuff the mining need to be more present all right you got it bro on that note on that note go be a good dad and go home exactly see i'm thinking about it i'm like oh i gotta get home play with the kids yeah well dude it was it was fantastic talking to you thank you so much for having me on man it's my pleasure working uh the freaks find out more about you uh just follow me on twitter at sovereign bra no underscores no

anything like that just at sovereign bra probably gonna build a website here at some point soon i've just been bottlenecked by work and caring for my grandmother and got a special special lady i'm building a relationship with so i've been uh well i'll pray i'll pray for that that it's a fruitful relationship that brings you some kids? Please do, man. This, this girl is amazing and, uh, I'm ready to move heaven and earth to, uh, to be with her. She's located across the country and I'm currently in the courtship process, but, uh, yeah, I'm, uh, I need, I need God to clear a path for that relationship. And, uh, yeah, prayer for that could be awesome. We'll pray for that. You go enjoy your Friday afternoon. We're going to win. We're going to win. We're going to

win people i believe we're gonna win follow me on twitter at sovereign bra my friends make sure to follow marty bent on twitter fantastic dude we're gonna win that's what we got today freaks peace and love