TFTC: A Bitcoin Podcast - #405: The Biden Laptop Report with Garrett Ziegler

Episode Date: March 18, 2023

Sitting down with Garrett Ziegler to discuss the Biden laptop. Follow Marco Polo on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MarcoPolo501c3 5:26 - Investigating the Biden family 14:53 - Firsthand sources 17:20 - Foreign interests 26:54 - Hunter the political whore 29:31 - Not a democrat/republican issue 34:58 - Legal action against the laptop shop 38:45 - Fake info 41:41 - Plausibility of forgetting the laptop 45:06 - Laundering money through Ukraine VC 48:51 - Joe is the main story 52:28 - IPhone backup 56:33 - What are intentions of the agencies? 58:23 - Joe's dementia 1:01:24 - What can be done 1:05:05 - What Americans should take away 1:07:55 - Secret daughters 1:09:52 - Gerontocracy 1:15:36 - Hope for the future 1:18:16 - International trade 1:22:46 - Climate nonsense 1:26:06 - Truth For The Commoner 1:31:42 - Garrett won't apologize 1:34:24 - Wrap up/plugs Shoutout to our sponsors: ⁠Unchained Capital⁠ ⁠River⁠ ⁠CrowdHealth⁠ ⁠Bitcoin Talent Co⁠ TFTC Merch is Available: ⁠Shop Now⁠ Join the TFTC Movement: Main ⁠YT Channel⁠ Clips ⁠YT Channel⁠ ⁠Website⁠ ⁠Twitter⁠ ⁠Instagram⁠ Follow Marty Bent: ⁠Twitter⁠ ⁠Newsletter⁠ ⁠Podcast

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talent, looking to get into a company, hit them up. It's a beautiful thing. Enjoy this right for a stick. You've had a dynamic where money's become freer than free. When you talk about a Fed just gone nuts, all the central banks going nuts. So it's all acting like safe haven. I believe that in a world where central bankers are tripping over themselves to devalue their currency bitcoin wins in the world of fiat currencies bitcoin is the victor i mean that's part of the bull case for bitcoin if you're not paying attention you probably should be garrett welcome to the studio thank you very much for having me and uh it's been a couple months in the making because of our delays yeah so thank you and we met through whitney webb so i gotta

give her a shout out yeah we have to shout out whitney special girl very special probably one the last true investigative journalist on the planet yes touching taboo topics that other supposedly investigative journalists independent won't even touch yeah which is one of the topics we're going to touch touch on today which is something that seems to be getting swept under under the rug which is uh the biden laptop report yes which is a very controversial topic in this country and something that uh the powers that be particularly the president and his administration wants to stay away from but yeah it's something that you've spent an immense amount of time diving into and documenting to to bring forth some of the degeneracy that uh that hunter was

involved in but also some of the corruption that yeah that was living on that laptop yeah blatant criminality and you know most of the conservatards have focused on this suppression angle of it only with twitter and all the other media companies i almost fall asleep when i hear that conversation because that covers like seven pages of our report but what people are missing in you know michael schellenberger and the other people who've gone through all i've asked for so long to go through the twitter files myself because i don't want to i don't want to read other people's interpretation especially of the biden stuff so i've been unsuccessful in getting access to this But the Michael Schoenberger angle, he focused so much on how they tried to block the material.

And what we what we've really missed is the actual content of the damn thing. And that's where we come in. I am confident to say that nobody in the Western world. I just say the Western world because I'm sure the Chinese have a deeper dossier on the Bidens than we do in their ministry of state security. But in the Western world, I'm confident that nobody has dug into the American first family more than us. And so that's where I'll start. I've just become obsessed with studying the family. I've done it for about two years now, and I took 18 months to write this comprehensive dossier. And that's how me and Whitney got connected because there's so much.

Joey B., the president, was the leading force behind China getting into the WTO and the Senate side. And so it's now been a full arc of 20 years. Joe was at the beginning of getting China in the WTO, and now he's benefiting through his son because his son is still invested. He has a 10% share in a state-backed fund called BHR. Yeah. And who was the whistleblower who was involved with them? It went on Tucker. His name, yeah, his name is Tony Bobulinski.

He is a bombastic former wrestler at Penn State, from your home state. He was in the Navy and we talked about a half a dozen times for this report. I'm very grateful to Tony, but he is very haughty and had courage and came forth. So basically, weirdly, Tony Bobulinski signed up to help the Bidens spread the Belt and Road Initiative around the world and realized that he got screwed by Hunter. basically what happened is they were going to get like a $10 million windfall and Hunter cut Tony out and kept the money himself and got it through another LLC vehicle. And Tony didn't realize everything that had happened until this report came out in September of 2020 by Ron Johnson, Senator Ron Johnson. And so Tony's in this weird spot of being a whistleblower. Absolutely.

But he was also like in bed with him in a way, but then came clean. He like, uh, righteously kissed and told about it. So Tony's definitely on the right side of things in this scenario, but it's a weird case because for a time he too was signed up to spread the Belt and Road Initiative around the world. And you know what BRI is, but some people may not know. And it's basically like Hunter wasn't an international businessman selling like Japanese software to american clients he was trying to get chinese imperialism into colombia into the united states through infrastructure programs yes so we've covered the belt and road pretty extensively not extensively but we've touched on it in many episodes but the concept is chinese will go in

african countries latin american countries try to infiltrate america via hawi uh specifically just say hey we'll give you this technology or this infrastructure uh particularly in africa and latin america we'll we'll give you money to build this out but eventually it's just like a a resource grab they'll never be able to pay back the debt the chinese will just acquire those assets essentially yeah it's it's um again i'm not ignorant to what the british empire and other western white empires did in the centuries preceding us right so i'm not saying that uh that we've never done our our side the western world has never done an equivalent of bri i'm just saying now they're not really being honest about what it is and the fact that hunter

thought this was a good thing and joe again the main thing with tony you mentioned tony babalinski the main thing with that entire story that again the media is ignoring is that joe was on the ground floor the reason why tony came forward and to rational beings who aren't biased it was important was because tony met with joe twice about this so like joe was well aware of what the biden family was going to do with cefc and so essentially you have an american president now whose family um the deal wasn't consummated completely they were planning on getting like some so hunter in an email said that the deal was uh three years long 10 million a year guaranteed just for introductions alone to these american political figures to get to start out these

infrastructure projects but they own i don't i don't want to say only but the final figure ended up being 6.8 million that we have a paper trail of so the biden's collected 6.8 million dollars in a planned joint venture with a chinese company that was going to spread the belt road initiative and that's what we have for an american president and so just to express the gravity of this like is this pay to play essentially yeah what the statutes in our report we go i went through every single email uh 128 000 emails on the on the device that was abandoned at a repair shop we put all those emails online by the way that any of your viewers can go look up it's called bidenlaptopemails.com it's a simple boolean search and and what's different than wikileaks is

that we put the entire cache up there so people can, if they want to see the metadata for the emails, because I'm obsessed with metadata, they can go download it themselves. So they don't just have to search our site. You can go download the 128,000 emails, look at the metadata for each in search form by, you know, it's fascinating to go by keyword search or just email address. And so what we did was we went through all these emails, all of the iMessages, Marty, and we found At the very least, this is a floor, 459 violations of state and federal laws and regulations. I don't say statutes because some of the stuff we cite are regulations, not passed by Congress per se, but by the agencies. So 459, and the lion's share of these violations are FARA violations, representing a foreign principal without declaring that representation to the Justice Department, and then money laundering.

which obviously is a is something that we can talk about here because your audience is a little bit different than some of the shows i go on so i think they know more about money laundering than most of the shows i go on so far violations money laundering and then that's the first section of the report business related crimes in the report by the way if anybody wants to follow along it's free online at our website marcopolousa.org you can keyword search you can you can follow along and uh so the business related crimes is first and then the smaller two sections uh following that are sex related crimes and drug related crimes yeah it's i mean you you guys censor a lot of the uh the pictures but we put no genitalia yeah it's extremely vulgar we cover up all the

genitalia we we put a disclaimer at the at the front page that says this is for an adult readership So we don't put we don't put any genitalia out there. You know, one of the left wing talking points is that like the Republicans are obsessed with Hunter Biden's genitalia. It's like maybe some other weird people are, but we're certainly not. We that's not our focus. If Hunter Biden was purely a degenerate with no business interests, this would be like a story worth one or two Substack articles. Yeah, it's a sad story if it was just that. If it was just that, it would be a joke, but it's that he's kept the influence peddling going with his art sales. Yeah, well, that's what I think there's been an intentional push to focus on the degeneracy on the laptop and not cover the corruption that seems to be living on this device.

That's why I'm happy you're here today and we can begin diving into these violations and the scope of the corruption and the depth of it? Like, how bad is it? Well, the beautiful thing is that we don't have to take it from second- and third-hand sources. So, for instance, if we just had Tony Bobulinski coming forward about this deal, the report that we would have been able to write

would be maybe like 150 pages. But the fact is is that unlike FOIA requests or other leaks, we have all of the all of the material firsthand primary primary imagine if somebody actually had your laptop they could do a complete or my laptop they could do a complete digital colonoscopy as we call it that's what we've done so basically our group i use a leftist term i want to call it overtly leftist but a leftist sounding term to describe us we're basically an oscent collective So what we did for over a year is basically we looked at the laptop contacts, about 4,500 of them. We found somebody wrote a script based on the contents of the emails to see who Hunter was corresponding with the most.

So we took the top 25 people that he emailed with the most and ran background checks on every single one of them. We see which LLCs they're invested in. And then we basically make a link analysis chart of how Hunter knows them and see which deals they're talking about on the laptop. Because this laptop is incredible in that we get to see their correspondence real time. So unlike other groups that maybe have to sue to get agency communications through the FOIA and then the damn agencies redact half of it, we get to see exactly how Hunter responded in the moment. And it's not just Hunter. In these emails, you have verifiable proof that Hunter and Joe shared bank accounts along with Hunter's business partner, and both of those people had authority to write checks and deposit money on behalf of the sitting vice president of the United States. We have, just going through my mind's eye of the report, SEC fraud.

They backdated documents involving their broker-dealer. They did other things involving money laundering, and of course, all of these scenarios, Marty, they're not dealing with other Americans most of the time. They're dealing with foreign nationals, which brings another level of this to it. If it were just domestic lobbying scenarios, it would be sort of scummy and very case street and very corrupt, but I don't think the impact would be as high. It's the fact that they're dealing with Kazakhstani oligarchs, Chinese oligarchs, Romanian oligarchs. It's truly global in its scale. So we're not saying that the Bidens started being corrupt when Joey became the vice president. I think they've always been corrupt, but the scale of it became much greater because there are opportunities for Hunter to be a consultant to these countries or to be a consultant to oligarchs from these countries increased when his dad became the VP.

Yeah. So it seems like Hunter is simply a conduit for these other foreign actors, state actors to get influence in the US or at the very least via the president. So what are the intentions of China, Kazakhstan, Ukraine, everybody on this list? Yeah, well, not speculating, just going off purely the email correspondence, usually they hire him for a specific purpose. So in the example of Ukraine and Romania, they're very similar. You have a foreign oligarch. In the case of Ukraine, it was Mikhail Zelchevsky. In the case of Romania, it was Gabriel Popoviciu, and both of them were being pursued by law enforcement within their own country. And what they hired Hunter for, and we have the wire transfers for some of these and the email correspondence, what they wanted Hunter to do was use his influence and connections in the U.S. government, specifically the U.S. embassies abroad in Kiev and Bucharest, respectively, to basically strong arm and or nudge those officials within their own countries not to go after these figures.

So what did this amount to? In Ukraine, it amounted to Joe threatening to withhold a loan guarantee of $1 billion that was going to come through the IMF if Petro Poroshenko, the then president of Ukraine, would not fire Viktor Shokin. And this was, there's a clip of this. There's an amazing clip of this that occurred in January of 2018 with Joey, Richard Haas, and Michael Carpenter, who's our current ambassador to the OSCE at the Council of Foreign Relations, that organization that I'm sure, you know, you loathe this just as much as I do. The CFR is behind, I think, a lot of the things going wrong in the world. But he basically brags about it. He's like, you know, if I'm leaving here in six hours, if the prosecutor's not fired, you're not getting the money. And he brags about, well, son of a bitch, she got fired. And, well, just based off that clip, people were only able to speculate that there was some influence peddling going on.

But via the laptop and the documents you found, you're actually cold hard proof. Yeah, that's a very good point. It was just speculation before Hunter left his laptop. But basically, all that occurred, that phone call that Joe was recounting, that occurred in December of 2015. In November of 2015, there is an email from Vadim Pazarsky, who is the executive advisor to Burisma's board, saying that Hunter, we would really appreciate if you could use your influence to convey a signal. And this is in broken English, by the way. That's why I'm talking like this. This is Vadim writing to Hunter. Use your influence to convey a signal that these are politically motivated attacks against McCullough and to shut down these investigations. So Joe's doing this two weeks after Hunter gets an email that says we'd like these investigations shut down. So you make a great point. If somebody is a skeptic and listening to me right now, if we're just going off Joe's public statements, it's smelly and requires further investigation. But because we have the primary source material of Hunter at the time, we can definitively show that Hunter was being asked to do this, and his dad then effectuated the ask two weeks later.

And if somebody is a skeptic even more, consider this. The main retort to what I just said by Dan Goldman and other people in politics is that Joe was just effectuating U.S. policy more broadly, that everybody wanted the prosecutor gone because in their mind, the prosecutor wasn't doing enough to prosecute corruption, which is ridiculous. But anyways, we now have a document through John Solomon. He got this through FOIA. We now have a document through John Solomon that shows there was an interagency memo in November of 2015, at the exact time Hunter was receiving that email, showing that the U.S. interagency approved of the job that Victor Shokin was doing. And thus they wanted to approve the IMF loan again. So it shows that Joe reversed U.S. official U.S. policy, official U.S. interagency policy, two weeks after the interagency agreed that Shokin was doing a good job. And what, so how do they explain that? They don't. They don't want to address that interagency memo. And by the way, that only came out in 2022. So during the impeachment, that was the key comeback from Jamie Raskin and all these other people that Joe wasn't doing this for any personal gain whatsoever. He was just going along with what the EU and other American executive agencies wanted to do, which was fire Shokin. But we now know that these executive agencies didn't want to fire Shokin. It's yeah, I isn't.

So without the memo from Solomon, if I am a skeptic, this scenario is like 80% solid without Solomon's interagency memo. Because I can prove the emails from Vat and Pazarski, and I can prove that Joe did that call on December 7th with Poroshenko in 2015. But with Solomon's memo, the case is shut. I would love to be able to dance. Dan Goldman pisses me off so much because he speaks with such conviction and nobody on the Hill is smart enough to bring up that other memo that shows that Joe was doing exactly the opposite of what the interagency recommended. So that's Ukraine. And I know I'm going on a monologue because I get so excited. But the other one is Romania. That oligarch is named Gabriel Popoviciu. He got convicted and sentenced to seven years of prison for bribery over a commercial real estate deal in downtown Bucharest called BANACEA, B-A-N-A-S-E-A. For anybody at home, they can go look it up. And what happened is Hunter, Mike Gottlieb, Christopher Boyes, and Louis Freeh, the former director of the FBI, the guy in the 90s who oversaw Ruby Ridge, Waco, the 9-11 bombings, Louis Freeh was in charge for all of that. He and Hunter basically lobbied the U.S. Embassy in Bucharest.

And we have proof of this. The then U.S. ambassador, Hans Klim, met with Hunter to discuss the U.S. embassy on advocating on behalf of Gabriel Popovich. And they were getting paid 60 grand a month. They got a contract for 60 grand a month to set up these meetings from from from from the from the from the Romanian oligarch. Guess what? He got off eventually. He fled to London. There there was an inner. They tried to get an Interpol warrant out. He was a fugitive in London for years, and he got a London court to call off the conviction. Romanian oligarch, Gabriel Popoviciu. And so what we have here, and anybody who's interested in these two scenarios that I just laid out, they can go look at all the emails. I say a 644-page report, that's true, but only half of it is writing.

It's a lot of footnotes. Yeah, and it's a lot of exhibits. It's not boring. So if you're just tuning in and thinking, well, I don't want to read 650 pages, all that we're doing is showing the original exhibits and then explaining what they are right above them. And so if you just want to go read those two subsections in the business-related crimes about Ukraine and Romania, you can do that in 90 minutes. That's like a Saturday afternoon thing. So I just don't want people to be dissuaded from looking into it because it's so long. The Romanian one is particularly interesting because it involves a gentleman named Mike Gottlieb, who's a Democratic fixer. He was the attorney for Seth Rich's brother, Aaron Rich, when they sued Fox News for defamation.

He was also, Michael Gottlieb was just at the January 6th hearings because he represented Ruby Freeman. So Mike Gottlieb represented Hunter Biden, Seth Rich's brother, and Ruby Freeman. And he worked at Boies Schiller Flexner at the time. And Mike Gottlieb is basically the guy the Democrats bring in, or I don't even say Democrats, much broader than that, like highfalutin leftists bring in when they have a real problem. So Mike Gottlieb now is, I think he's at Wilkie and Farr, I think, but he was the counsel in the Obama White House. And he's, of any of the figures in this laptop, I would say Mike Gottlieb is one of the smartest and one of the sharpest and the most cunning. We talked before the camera started rolling about Hunter's IQ. And I'm not coming here today telling you that Hunter's this mastermind, this genius mastermind. How I describe him to many people is a political whore. So he'll whore his connections and family out to somebody who can use him. And the people that use him are varied. They're foreign oligarchs. They're domestic lawyers. They're other lobbyists who know they can get something from him. So the thesis is not that Hunter is this genius. It's that he is, like you said, he's a conduit. And his job was to bring in money for the family because his now deceased older brother was the attorney general, always worked in public office, was the assistant U.S. attorney in Philadelphia for a time, if you knew that, Beau Biden was.

and so hunter's job was to bring in the bacon and he actually complains to his daughter naomi who just got married at the white house in november of 2022 that he had to give his dad his salary for 30 years or half his salary for 30 years so we have an admission from the son of the u.s president to the granddaughter of the u.s president that said the president forced hunter to give him half his salary for his entire life that another in a sane country that's a rico violation basically that will that will have meant that joe lied on his tax returns in that hunter fed him money illegally and he didn't declare the gift tax on that yeah and going back to like bob olinsky i think that was one thing that his uh his admission really highlighted is that joe tries to stay like

as disconnected as possible but there are these few and far between like hard evidence points where it's like he does know what's going on yeah they always one of the phrase that no it's a very good point the phrase that boba linsky said jim biden used was plausible deniability so their entire goal is to make joe aware enough to where he by the way hunter calls him his chairman so in business you know in in business we all know that uh depending on the corporation the chairman could have vast voting rights. So before they go into any deal, Joey has the final sign off. So he called him his chairman. He was totally aware of what they were doing with CEFC. And again, to anybody who says that, well, Joe was out of office at that time. He met with Tony Bobulinski in May of 2017.

Well, of course, that's not my dispute. I know that Joe was out of office. What we're saying occurred is that federal felonies occurred because they broke the FAR, the Foreign Agent Registration act and so a lot of people on the right though because they're not nerds like me they don't actually study u.s code so they say well that's corrupt but that's not that's there's no there's no law that just says corrupt you have to you have to break a specific statute and that's that's what we bring to the table and that's why i've not been able to get on very many centrist or left wing podcast, even though I've asked many, many times. I've, Dan Abrams, who runs this News Nation site and show, he's, I'm sure you know of Dan Abrams. He runs Law and Crime. I've texted Dan

Abrams probably once a week for four months saying that, well, Tony Bobulinski wouldn't go on a show. So Tony Bobulinski went on Tucker and said, anybody who wants to interview me at CNN or anywhere else, I'm open. Well, Dan Abrams took him up on that request. For some reason, Tony didn't respond. And so I jumped in. I said, Hey, uh, let's do a show and you can ask me anything about our dossier and we can do it live. So if I mess up, everybody gets to see a live and he won't respond to me. He won't take me up on my offer. So they, uh, they don't want to talk about specific statutes because it, they, they expect their listeners to just say, well, the republicans don't have anything or any anybody who's criticizing the biden is just a republican

and i'm not a republican so yeah well that's i think it's a very important frame to work from too is and this is where i like i'm a bitcoiner i'm completely disenchanted by the whole political system i think all of them are corrupt and like i think we don't even have to lean into like biden being a democrat or no leftist trying to predict like it's just like pure corruption just yeah looking at ones and zeros binary spreadsheet like is this corrupt is this not corrupt don't care if he's a democrat or republican like it's objectively or it seems that the evidence that you have in this report proves that it's objectively corrupt to and through yeah and i know it's it's a it's a very good point we actually we counted we actually uh criticize

and talk about more republicans in this report than democrats most people don't know that because they won't read the whole thing but no hunter biden is a product of a is of a cartel of a total uniparty it's disgusting and you know going off of that one of the um one of the things about joe's career is that he was always in the senate notice like this bipartisan collegial guy so like he's been willing to play the uniparty game and not really by the way joe's changed positions on everything uh throughout his from busing to abortion he was actually pro-life at one point so and he he supported those measures like he said abortion should be rare what i'm trying to get across maybe inarticulately is that joe puts his finger to the wind measures measures public

sentiment and then we'll change his opinions accordingly there's no like conviction that's that says in him you know what i don't give a shit what the polls say on this issue i believe this and that i think that touches on what you said which is that um it's all it's all politics there's no there's no uh principle there's no principle in this um but no it's like he'll lick his finger hold it to the wind and like publicly posture what he thinks people want to hear but then behind the scenes he's just like doing whatever the fuck he wants it seems yeah yeah hunter has a conduit to do whatever he wants yeah and they always say well that you know no member of the family was in government. It's just a complete lie. Hunter was actually the

vice chairman of Amtrak. Did you know that? I did not. Hunter's qualifications, he said this in a Senate hearing. He was actually nominated by George W. Bush, which is pretty rich. Not surprising to you and me, but he had George W. Bush from Texas here, nominated Hunter Biden to be the vice chairman of Amtrak. He nominated him to be on the board. And then once he was on the board, he was elected the vice chairman. But in the Senate hearing, Hunter said that one of his qualifications is that he rode trains a lot. That was one of his qualifications. He said that in this, in the U S Senate. So, uh, again, if you ride trains a lot, maybe you too can be the vice chairman of Amtrak. Ironically though, he did actually commit a sex trafficking offense with

Amtrak. He, he, the, he, he moved a couple of 19 year old girls from Boston to New York as prostitutes and he actually bought them Amtrak tickets. So why is this, why is this relevant? because I think it's ironic that the vice chairman of Amtrak used that mode of transportation to commit a sex trafficking offense. So across state lines, across state lines that in, by the way, we're very fair to Hunter. There's a lot of solicitation in this, like using escort sites. We don't come, we don't accuse him of sex trafficking when he's using, uh, when he gets a hooker, uh, uh, for, you know, everything involving one state. I said that sloppily, But my point is, is that sex trafficking only occurs when you move people across state lines. So I don't want somebody who's never heard of me before to think that we just throw statutes out willy nilly. No, we had, I think we paid an attorney like 15 grand to go over this, like to check, check our work.

If I cited a statute, that attorney had that like that, you know, LexisNexis legal on the other tab and making sure that everything that I put down was correct to the statute. That's why they sued the shop owner. But all I get from Hunter's attorneys is demands for an apology. They don't even cite a statute that I violated. Well, I think that's an important thing to bring out that we haven't discussed yet. you think recording this episode today particularly is very timely considering what's happened in the previous few days yeah uh so 24 hours ago hunter's attorneys filed a counterclaim against the laptop shop owner so for those of you who don't know hunter left this device at a repair shop and one

of the reasons why we think he he he forgot it is because he brought in three macs that day i have one laptop i'm sure you might just have one laptop normal people have one macbook but Hunter had three at least, and he brought in three to the repair shop because they were all water damaged, which is just hilarious and fitting for Hunter Biden. It turns out one of them was beyond repair. One of them was completely waterlogged. The other was going to work and the repair shop owner just gave him an external keyboard. The keyboard was shot, but the actual computer was fine. By the way, Hunter has never returned that keyboard hilariously. So he actually owes the shop owner 85 bucks for a new keyboard. And then the third one, the shop owner said, yeah, I can get

the data off this one, but I need you to get it, uh, to bring in an external hard drive for me to transfer it onto. So Hunter Biden actually comes back that, that first interaction occurred on a Friday. He comes back the next week with a heart, with a Western digital, uh, external hard drive from Best Buy and the laptop shop owner transfers the data onto that. And then months go by Hunter Biden doesn't pick it up, even though he's called. And after 90 days, the agreement he signed the property was now the shop owners he starts going through it recognizes there's all this shit business correspondence invoices tax returns uh porn videos like he calls the fbi and says i'd like you to take a look at this they basically stonewall him for a couple months he finally

gets him to take it the fbi acquires the original device via grand jury subpoena on december 9th 2019. Now, smartly before that happens, the shop owner makes a copy, sets it in his desk and for a year or for almost a year, doesn't do anything with it. But once he realized the FBI wasn't going to do anything with it. And, uh, basically it was a coverup operation or a suppression operation. I should say, um, he contacts Rudy Giuliani's attorney and gives him a copy. So what I have is not the physical, I don't have Hunter Biden's physical laptop. That is the bottom of river, probably outside Wilmington, Delaware, the FBI probably got rid of it or burned it, but I have a copy of a hard drive. And so those, those terms for you and me, we know what we're

talking about, but some people are like, you know, how can they claim to have the original device? It's like, we use the term laptop and hard drive interchangeably, but what we have is a copy of hard drive. So, um, it's an, it's an insane story about how somebody whose dad, by the way, his dad announced for president 13 days uh no yeah 13 days after he left his laptop there so it it it all it's it's god's plan but it was a hell of a ride to get there and now like you said or like i said he is he's suing the shop owner for quote invasion of privacy mind you he didn't his lawyer didn't even cite any statutes they cited a delaware common law that says that it was an it's an invasion of privacy and they actually not directly but indirectly reference the pamela anderson sex

tape even though that was a case of a sex tape being stolen out of a out of a out of a uh a safe right yeah he signed a 90-day contract that said hey if you don't pick this up it's my property yeah and so it's a completely completely different scenario but that's what they're going off of and uh they also sent me another letter they sent me a letter the first week of february demanding that i apologize to hunter uh for defamatory uh statements but again for it to be defamatory it's got to be false and that i that you have to have uh that i have to have uh said it with actual malice i say it with no malice this is a like you said this is a tragedy why would i why would i celebrate the fact that i think the the the president of my country is

compromised by foreign interests because his son still has a 10 percent share in a cc back ccp backed fund. Um, why I, I take no pleasure in that. So they're saying that I defamed Hunter without telling me what I lied about, uh, or what, uh, you know, what, uh, basically disregard for the truth I had. Weirdly, Marty, I've, I've actually corrected more fake news about Hunter Biden than even his own attorneys. There's been a lot of false information out there, but this was and a lot of it was seeded through this chinese oligarch that just got arrested miles guo his his outlet called g news put out a ton of fake bullshit like in october of 2020 they said that lady gaga was on the laptop that malia obama was on the laptop that hunter was like

banging six-year-old girls none of that was on the laptop so they actually hurt our cause a little bit because they did have some verifiable information but they also created a couple hoaxes that i still to this day have to correct the record about yeah there was that uh the picture of malia obama's american express car yeah and i've had to i made a couple tweets about that and i said that i certainly believe that it's malia obama's credit card because first of all nobody denied it but that actually came out december of 2019 uh and again two things can be true malia obama just like her daddy malia obama could be snorting cocaine and that could be her credit card totally plausible all i'm saying is that it wasn't on hunter biden's laptop and what

they what they do to equate the two is they take one of these porn videos that hunter shot with a girl that looks like malia obama but that was actually his employee and the reason why we know that is because a whistleblower from with inside a u.s bank actually the anti-money laundering department approached my non-profit and gave us five five suspicious activity reports and the girl in that video is listed in the SAR Hunter Biden's firm paid her 45 grand in one year she was basically his assistant and hooker and so he's he's he's uh having sex with this girl that's listed in the SAR that we have and she just happens to look like Malia Obama yeah well and I think it's really important that you're pushing back again because there's obviously spread like

wildfire they did across the internet and I think for what you're trying to do here is like no we need to focus on the facts of what's actually happening yeah why would I accuse Hunter of something you didn't do. I mean, that's wrong. If, if, if, if somebody said that I, you know, did the thing like the, I'm not saying that Hunter's beyond, uh, being a pervert and screwing underage girls. I'm not saying he's never done that in his life. I'm saying the copy of the laptop that we have does not contain those videos. And, uh, that's, that's really all there is to it. Now there are two other laptops that he lost in the same year. So somebody who, again, could not let's say they're not convinced by my explanation that he just forgot to pick it up consider this

fact you know the the feature on the iphone find my iphone right he activated that 57 times in a couple of years so this is a guy who by his own admission was smoking parmesan cheese off the carpet and was losing his iphone 57 times so it just stands to reason like let's say i i somebody on the street, you approach them and say, Hey, could this be plausible? Somebody lost her iPhone 57 times. Could it be plausible that they forgot to pick up their laptop? Well, of course. So, and again, the other scenario that he forgot his laptop was he left it at his Republican psychiatrist home. Why he had a Republican psychiatrist named Keith Abloh, who by the way, lost his medical license in Massachusetts. He's a pervert. He was basically having sex with his

patients, getting him high on ketamine and having sex with them. Look, Keith Abloh was a Fox news psychiatrist like he he was a contributor to Fox News as a popular psychiatrist Hunter Biden was his patient for six months from the end of 2018 to the beginning of 2019 just four years ago and Hunter left another one of his laptops at Keith Abloh's house Keith Abloh puts it in a safe then Keith Abloh gets raided by the DEA because they were suspecting that he was running a pill mill can't pick it up and so during the DEA raid they come across Hunter's laptop and then ship another another of Hunter's laptops and then ship it to Hunter's attorneys so he had we Kevin Morris confirmed to us that they have that laptop now so that's another laptop so he leaves one at the

repair shop two months earlier in 2019 he leaves one accidentally with Keith Abloh and then another one he tells a hooker on January 6 2019 that a group of Russian drug dealers in Vegas stole another one of his laptops so this is a man who activated find my iphone 57 times and this is a man who through negligence or theft was departed from three of his macbooks so it does i'm going into that and belaboring the point just to say that it stands to reason that this guy forgot his laptop so anybody who who who says that there's no possible way he could do this hasn't looked at the data that's on his one laptop yeah if you're losing 57 iPhones it isn't hard to imagine that you would forget about one of them oh I mean I think I've had to do that twice one of them was

overseas and I find I didn't even know how to activate find my iPhone it's like this annoying sound so Hunter was doing that all the time we calculated just on electronic payments alone so not the cash and he would always take like 800 he would do his daily limit from the ATM we have like $800, $800, $800 from the ATM, but just electronic payments alone that for in a one year period, he spent about 170 grand on hookers and blow. Yeah. So this is somebody who was completely out of control. And again, while he was on this bender, Marty, he was still on the board of Burisma. So while he was spending 170 on a blow and hookers, Burisma was still paying him 45 000 45 000 euros a month to be an independent director working on corporate transparency

for burisma and so like the burisma connection obviously burisma is in ukraine like do you think there's any evidence that are the administration's posturing on ukraine is being influenced by any of the connections i think that the one thing that's relevant in the current proxy war is that hunters vc firm which changed names that's a common tactic these guys they change the name of the funds if there's like corruption being exposed they'll just quickly change the name so for years it was called rosemont seneca technology partners but now it's but now it's called pilot growth equity they invested in in metabiota and they still have an ownership share of that and hunter owns some of that firm so what you have is metabiota who by victoria newland's

own admission in the u.s congress through the prime contractor black and veach was operating bio labs in ukraine and hunter biden owns a part of an investment company that's invested in metabiota so that's that's the only connection sorry i'm drinking a cup of coffee i just burped a little bit but um that's the only connection that i can strike uh between the current fiasco because that's the only thing i have paper for i'm not saying that there's not something more but the fact that the son of the u.s president could still own a portion of a company that's invested in biolabs in ukraine is in any other regime news but that's the only connection we have a hard connection that's the only hard connection we have right now um but again

And ironically, the the person whose bank records the Congress just subpoenaed because that came out this week, too. Right. And I think that's part of the reason why Hunter filed his countersuit this week, because Jamie Comer finally subpoenaed bank records from Bank of America and showed some of these wire transfers coming in from China. And what they did was they set up a front man to handle these payments. So the Bidens didn't directly receive the money from China. what they did was they put Rob Walker, who's a former Clinton staffer and whose wife was Jill's personal assistant, Betsy Walker. He received the wire transfer first. So like $3 million over a couple of months, it was 6 million. But the first $3 million wire comes in to Robinson Walker LLC's bank account at Bank of America, and then it goes to the Biden. So it's just a typical

money laundering tactic of layering. You put as many layers as possible between the ultimate sender and the ultimate recipient and hopefully you throw off these bank regulators who are trying to track the wire transfers yeah and so the reason why i bring up him is because rob walker to this day the guy whose bank records were just subpoenaed by the u.s congress to this day rob walker is one of the managing directors and chief owners of pilot growth equity which is invested in metabiota so he's the main i would say the first person they need to force to testify and again he can invoke his right uh he can invoke the fifth and not not speak but he still has to produce documents would be rob walker and so congress is subpoenaing subpoenaing for this information yes does that

mean they're actually going to try and do something here do you think there's any teeth behind this somewhat i'm so like like i assume you are i am so jaded by the u.s congress my only hope and at this like we say at the end of this report we do not believe that hunter will be held accountable at the federal level because joe will pardon him i guarantee you and this is speculation but i guarantee you there's a blanket pardon ready to go well i think there's like a bigger i'm not even worried about hiding like joe's connection like is it treasonous i guess that's the number one question like should we be is hunter just a distraction from the the meat of the problem here which is overt international corruption um and influence peddling like you

i mean you said it better than me a hunter is just the conduit our focus has always been joe that's why we that's why it's called the biden laptop and not just the hunter biden laptop it's a because it's it's correspondence with the entire family and every single sibling of joe's because every single job that a sibling of Joe has held has been in some way connected to Joe's public office. So like none of them are like independent insurance people. They're all like political consultants or business consultants and their clientele are people who have business

that could be affected by Joe's public office. It's truly astounding. So we don't cite the statute for treason in this report because we need other things. We would need, for example, call logs. One of the things we explicitly state that the Congress needs to subpoena, and I will find the page in the report so somebody can follow along, is Joe was given a second iPhone for the entirety of his VP term, and it was paid for by Hunter's firm. So what does this mean? The VP was given a government-issued phone that's probably hardened and less likely to be tapped by the White House Communications Agency. I worked at the White House for two years, and so I know somewhat how this works. but hunters for and because we have the AT&T payments we know that this was for Joe because he says his initials the president's initials are JRB Joseph Robinette Biden and so anytime

they're talking about Joe they don't say Joe they always put JRB they always use initials he Joe has seven different aliases Peter Henderson it's wild um it's a guy yeah the big guy uh my chairman um another one is robin ware it's pedo pete real or no that was that was a nickname that uh so guess what hunter biden actually has another guy named after him his nephew so bo biden's son is named hunter biden and that was hunter biden's name weirdly and mysteriously for his sister natalie on his ipad and we have the iphone we have there's two there was two backups on his laptop and we can take credit for getting into the iphone backup it was it was 29 gigabytes but there was also a backup of his of his nephew's ipad which was on the laptop and so we got into

we got into both of them and that's where we discovered that the pet the peto peter thing was was for his nephew was his nephew's name for his own sister in the ipad and they're they're 12 year old kids you know they're going to be goofy and stupid and kids have every right to be that yeah so that was just a that's a good important clarification because people were running i know and we we got breitbart credit to breitbart we got breitbart to issue a correction because they ran with that story and i immediately messaged on signal the author of that piece i said hey not that this is that important but like that's not that's not true uh that was when in july of 20 we got into the backup in june of 2022 in july his iphone backup was leaked on 4chan

that's what it was it wasn't the 400 there's been talk of like 450 extra gigabytes that's just boomer talk they don't understand they don't understand max and what the data limitations are there was 29 extra gigabytes and it was in this iphone backup that was manually backed up to you know because some people can do icloud backups like i do but that's not what hunter did he manually on february 6 2019 backed up his iphone and we were able to get into that because we found the password in his mac keychain i was just you know we're nerds so we just played with the rubik's cube long enough to be able to get into his iphone backup and we i will tell you that like my palms were sweating in june of 22 22 when he got into that because i knew it was

going to delay our report even more because there's so much shit there's a lot of stuff that he manually deleted after he backed it up because he didn't want it on there like a lot of the sex videos were on his iphone backup like that of course there's some some on there's some on the main laptop but that some of the most wild stuff for example have you have you ever seen the picture or the video of him naked with a gun the air gun that was on his iphone backup we gave that to the new york post and that um that sort of in weirdly that was the same week that his uh his sister-in-law took his gun and put it in a dumpster outside of a public high school you remember that story that that involved multiple felonies weirdly joe was the guy who sponsored the gun violence

prevention act or whatever that that made that a federal felony ironically joe was the guy in the senate who made it a federal felony to have a gun uh within it within a thousand feet of a school and so his own family violated the felony that he instituted and pushed for so the reason why we bring up that is not again because we want to uh bring up you know stuff that that uh just embarrasses them what we're saying is that the level of hypocrisy is astounding that joe can institute these very laws and then his own family doesn't get held accountable for them yeah in any way shape or form hunter actually tells his sister-in-law who did this that uh some guy could have blown his sister's head off from the school because it was it was a loaded gun in a trash can

yeah hey by the way a uh uh some a homeless person who digs through the trash was the one that returned the gun to the store they like days later like there was a whole state police investigation on the iphone backup we found two of the agents that worked on it millard greer and another guy whose name is evading me here i'll find it real quick again it's a we can do a keyword search on the laptop there it is um john pinrod is the other guy who worked there both with the delaware state police we called them i've called every single business associate that was featured in this report i called i called every drug dealer and every single hooker in the biden laptop to get their comments and see if they wanted to talk on the record about hunter

did that did any uh take a lot of them told me to fuck off most of them just said no i'm not interested and um and a few talked like we there was one hooker that talked to us a lot she was paid like $18,000 by Hunter. She lives in Brooklyn. Um, and she's actually somewhat conservative for her politics. Um, obviously, you know, being a stripper and a hooker is not the most conservative form of life, but nevertheless, she like hates Joe's public, uh, public positions, but she won't, she won't talk about, she knows so much about the first family because Hunter would basically vent to these hookers about his problems with his dad. Fascinating. So there are hookers out there in america that know more about the american first family than probably some

foreign intelligence agencies that's insane and it's it's it's just astounding because at the same time he's meeting with these hookers his dad was already on the ticket running for president yeah um and again why does this matter to me and you because there are to this day extraordinary black male opportunities for this family well that and then the other thing i would really like to dig into because it's always really frustrated me which is like the fbi had the laptop didn't do anything about it like no people throughout the intelligence apparatus and even like within the federal government um at like the administrative level had access to this going back to bob olinsky like he did an interview with tucker a couple weeks before the election and just

Everything has been swept under the rug, which leads me to ask the question, what are the ulterior motives of these agencies? Is Joe just one big proxy as well that they're using to push forward their agenda? Is that why they're suppressing all this? Yeah, I think that, remember, Joe wasn't the favorite to win the nomination. He got fourth in Iowa, he lost in New Hampshire, and then magically he gets resurrected and wins South Carolina with the help of James Clyburn and becomes the nominee. So he was that old white guy nobody wanted to listen to for the longest time, and then he becomes the nominee. So I think that Joe was a deliberate pick, unlike, say, the 2016 election where you had somebody who the establishment didn't want, the GOP. They did not want Trump, right?

But with Joe, you have somebody who was handpicked. And I think, like Obama said, his goal was to find somebody that he could he could have a third term and sit in his his his basement with sweats on. And he has Susan Rice there. He had Ron Klain there. So many people from 2009 to 2016 are in are in the White House now. So I think that it's really an Obama's third term, or a third term by Obama's proxies. And again, anybody who watches press conferences with Joe knows that he's not all there. And in fact, that goes back into one of our— That's another sad thing, like he's very visibly mentally impaired.

Yeah, I think he has Lewy body dementia very, very early on stage. I'm not saying that it's progressed, you know, to the nth degree. I'm just saying it's early onset Lewy bodies and Hunter in 2018 admits that his dad has dementia. He's in a conversation with Keith Abloh and Keith Abloh was wondering, you know, can he remember with the dementia and all? And Hunter said, no, but it's all fake news now anyway, so who cares? So this is on the laptop. Yeah, on the laptop. And we go into these interactions in our report on pages by just type in dementia on on page five hundred and fifty five.

We have two separate text message conversations between Hunter Biden and Keith Abloh. And he one of the one of the things that Keith ask is, does he recall details, though, with the dimensional? And Hunter says not much, though. But these days it's it's all fake news. So I don't see the problem. And so that's 2018. That's five years ago almost. Yeah. So, so we're not saying that, that Joe is completely out to pastor, but when your own

son, uh, to his psychiatrist admits that you have dementia, it, it, again, these aren't mine words. I'm just, I just went through this thing and did so many keyword searches, man. Like I just, by the way, everybody can go see the emails at Biden laptop, emails.com, But they can also, they can go see all of his text messages, which we have uploaded to our website and redacted the social security numbers, credit card numbers, and genitalia. So you can go to MarcoPoloUSA.org and download all of his messages. There's just over 700 iMessage conversations. And, again, you can find messages with his own dad, so between the president and his son.

and again part of those part of those text messages are are joe saying to hunter like call jeff cooper he wants to do some business with you so there's so joe is actually hunter's head hunter in key ways like he scopes out new new contracts for hunter which goes against everything he said which is i have no involvement with my family's business it has always struck me marty is why is joe taking that that unpla implausible position joe could just take a much more reasonable position and say even though it'd be a lie that you know i don't know all the details about my family's business but he be like a true liar he backs himself into a corner by making an outlandish claim like he's very defensive and says that i've never talked to hunter about his

businesses whereas this laptop completely disproves that so i don't know he takes these positions that make it impossible for him to be nuanced and why and why is that it's like when you when you get caught on something sometimes you overcompensate and you're overly defensive you know what i mean yeah no totally and you're just like no i have nothing to do with it but yeah let's just say we have the evidence on the table right now do you have any hope that anything i mean i know you don't think hunter will be probably like at the federal level no my only hope is that a state ag grows a backbone and charges him at the state level because state level crimes can't be pardoned by the president how many how many states would have the potential to do this uh seven at least

but by potential i'm i'm discounting all the marxist ags so he committed a lot of state level offenses in new york and california um and those people won't touch hunter so the two states that i'm particularly interested in are arkansas and and uh and louisiana because they are number one, non-Marxist. And number two, there's a vast paper trail involving those two states in this laptop. So a couple of them have shown interest and reached out, but I, I don't, I wouldn't bank on it. You know, we sort of wrote this as a historical thing. So it's not, we didn't promise justice. The only people that can do that are the feds or the state level law enforcement. So we're not you know we we don't operate in the land of hopium like we just wanted to lay all this out

because we thought there hadn't been like a thorough treatment of the uh of this of the debacle yet but you know sitting here in austin like like i said at the beginning there's people in this report that touch on almost nearly every american city and state there's a connection to pretty much every state in this even if hunter didn't commit a crime there one of his one of his associates will have a connection it's like rob bindler who's the business partner to hunter's attorney, Kevin Morris lives, you know, 15 minutes from here. And he's one of the people that infiltrated the set of my son Hunter in Belgrade, Serbia and lied and basically swindled this like nonprofit Irish immigrant filmmaking group. And it's just disgusting. There's actually a bar

complaint against Kevin Morris right now in California. He won't get in trouble because his buddies run the bar in California. But yeah, Kevin Morris personally threatened me and more importantly, my nonprofit and said he was going to take all of our money, which again, we have none. We're a nonprofit. So he wants to sue me personally. That's why they're not sending these cease and desist letters to our nonprofit, which is why I'm not responding because I'm acting on behalf of the nonprofit, not myself. So we'll see where this goes. I think that the state level prosecutors, though, have to be the ones to do something. And what I would do, and again, I'm not in this, but the money laundering offenses are cut and dry and they have a statute of

limitations of five years. And so the money laundering state level offenses carry big penalties and they're within the statute of limitations. And there's something that can be done quickly. The investigation can be done quickly. We don't have any, we're not delusional. We don't think that this report is going to be put in as a complaint in a court pleading. What we wanted to do with this was basically create the starting point. If you're reading this with clear your eyes you'll say well that's interesting they put the the the iphone number and the contact information and the picture of the person who was involved in this crime why you know if i'm in law enforcement why not dig deeper why they should be sending subpoenas for the phone records for

these particular phones because they'll they'll produce uh you know fruits and evidences of crimes yeah it's it's just very frustrating because it seems very overt and again going back to me personally just being disenchanted by the whole political system and apparatus it just seems like again you mentioned you didn't say it explicitly but it's like rules for thee but not for me and yeah what what what should american citizens take away from this well number one i think that they have each american citizen has a duty to know what's going on within their own sphere of influence. So this report, again, it was compiled by a group of guys, not me. I wrote it, but the research that went into me writing it was half a dozen guys. And what we used were, yes, private

investigators, but also public records. So I would, if I were sitting at home watching this, I would say that there's vast amounts of research that you yourself can do if you know how to navigate the business registry domain for a state, the, the, the ability to know the difference between, um, you know, LLCs, LPs, for example, the SBF and FTX debacle, the amount of open source research that went into that company and that person within 72 hours of it crashing was astonishing. I was just tracking Twitter and within a couple hours, you had every political donation he made all these talks that he appeared on in 2019 and 2020 all of the trips that he not all of them but a lot of the trips he took who he's talking with who his parents are connected

to at stanford so that is very inspiring to me as somebody who is a researcher at heart and that's why whitney and i get along as somebody who's a digger at heart i think that this laptop is just a gold mine yes i've gone through every single email but i was just looking for the crimes there's a lot that you can do just going through these emails to, to find, uh, to find the fruits of other crimes that don't, that don't directly relate to the Bidens, but directly relate to their associates. So, um, you know, everybody has access to the internet, mostly in America. Everybody can look up who the beneficial owners of a company are, except if you're in Delaware, cause they don't list it. And everybody should know what, what the financial holding picture

is of their elected officials. That's, I think that the takeaway is to have a greater level of granularity about the people that rule you. Uh, I hope that that's one of the, one of the takeaways and to just document the human comedy of it all. Have you ever read the book Bonfire of the Vanities? I have not. By Tom Wolfe. He wrote other books called, um, A Man in Full, I Am Charlotte Simmons back to blood he was a novelist he's dead now he died in 2018 but that this report in the content on this laptop is sort of like a Tom Wolfe novel like his goal was he always said that he wanted the full panoramic picture of the United States and that's what we've tried to do with this dossier is put the full panoramic picture of the U.S. first family so you're not

just getting one-off articles like we put whole family trees in here nobody nobody had even done like a true family tree. There's actually two unacknowledged girls in the Biden family. Everybody knows about, uh, uh, Hunter's love child, right? That he was forced to start paying child support for, but there's actually another unacknowledged girl. Uh, it's the daughter of Joe's younger brother, Frankie. She's not even listed in obituaries. We had to get, uh, we had to go through basically Frankie listed her on one bio of his and all the info we had was that her name was Megan, and she was a nurse practitioner in Virginia. And so we looked at the HHS government database to look at all the nurse practitioners named Megan in Virginia. There's 76. And we went

through each one of them and finally found her. Her name is Megan Jester Walker. And so the point that I'm trying to get at is the U.S. First Family has two secret girls in their family, and nobody thinks that this is incredible. I'm not saying it's the most important story in the world what i'm saying though is that it's an incredible carnival i don't think we've ever had that in american history where you have a family with two people that they won't even list obituaries they don't there was a big the big funny controversy that they wouldn't give a white house stocking to hunter's daughter so even though they have nine grandchildren like joe's to this day in public says he only has eight um it's like gangas con stuff where they

don't even know all their kids yeah and that's like would you describe that's the other there's like always the big debate particularly in the bitcoin world like talking about like wef political elites intelligence apparatus like are these people criminal masterminds are they just just purely evil um and just want to brute force their view of the world on the on the I don't think the Bidens are the driving force. I think the Bidens are whoring themselves out. I think that the people like Larry Fink and all the Finks of the world and Klaus Schwab, I think they have 30 IQ points on the Bidens. And Joe is their perfect guy because he's being used as a vessel for them. So you mentioned Hunter is a conduit for Joe, but Joe is a conduit for all these other people. And so what our report goes into is not the BlackRock and vanguards of the world, although that is ripe for a dossier. But our report is on the vessels that the BlackRock and vanguards use, the coordinators that they use.

And Joe, again, he's been in public office since he was 29 years old. he won the u.s senate when he was 29 got sworn in three months after he was 30 and he's been at this for over 50 years he just turned 80 last november um so we have an 80 year old president one thing i wanted to mention on this show is that we and one thing i want to talk to you about is we live in a gerontocracy man we have people who won't get off the stage like tom brady he's ruining his legacy right now because he's becoming the brett farve he can't retire like he he doesn't know when to leave the stage he can't it's like the ring in the tolkien novel like it's it's his precious and uh i i think that's very sad just like our you know we have u.s senators that are

like 88 do you really believe that they're gonna know what to do about uh digital currencies and all this stuff they don't have a clue no i mean you've had yellen he's not even like technically politician yeah i want to see how terry of the treasury she was up there she couldn't even she's 76 she's 76 yeah she couldn't even explain like the banking system or couldn't logically convince people that the measures they're putting in place in the aftermath the silicon valley bank uh failing like she couldn't even induce confidence that like people wouldn't just leave regional bangs for the big bangs that i was watching that interaction last night with what james lankford from oklahoma yes he's like he's like what's stopping them from big depositors from

taking their money out yeah yeah they and again this isn't just a youthful youthful men bitching about old guys this is these are people who are beyond their prime though i don't think the human mind at 86 at 77 at 77 is is is typically I'm not there's exceptions to every single rule just like how most stereotypes have truth to them there's also people who defy stereotypes like I'm German but I don't wear socks or sandals right there are people who there are people who stick out of the box so take what I'm saying not you but figurative you there are exceptions to this rule but in general like 85 year olds are not going to have the mental dexterity to lead a republic with 330 million people plus all the illegal immigrants so i don't think that it's

we are ruled in by a gerontocracy yeah and it's particularly alarming considering i mean i'm into bitcoin i focus on bitcoin because i do truly believe that is that automatically update yes I do truly believe that the incumbent financial system is standing on a base of quicksand that is quickly eroding beneath it. And going back to Yellen's comments yesterday, the day before, it's like these people are not equipped to usher in the next era of monetary policy or the monetary system that we're going to need to build. and they would like to push us into the cbdc future i think bitcoin which perfectly preserves private property rights freedom of speech and uh freedom of association uh is the way to go and the people the gerontocracy in charge simply like you said does not have the mental dexterity or the context of the digital world to even understand this they're they're living in an

analog world we actually you know the first guy to get this material was rudy and i respect rudy's patriotism but nevertheless we call him technically deficient in the report dude he can't operate like a basic iphone like when he was going when he was going on television in october of 2020 talking about the contents of this he would like print out a very grainy low resolution screenshot and then hold it up to the camera right like he didn't send the Newsmax producers a high resolution screenshot of that which he was talking about it's like dude where if you yourself don't there's a lot I don't know how to do but I try to surround myself with people who who know what how to do stuff so if I'm doing an interview with Newsmax and I'm talking about one particular text

message from the Biden laptop I'm not going to print it out on a Canon printer and hold it up to the camera. I'm going to send it to their producer so they can put it up on the Chiron, right? So basic things like that. Um, I think we're getting somebody else. Um, basic, basic tech stuff like that. Uh, it's so frustrating. I so wish I had this material earlier when, when all of this stuff was first coming out, cause I could have produced this dossier quicker, but i didn't get a copy of it uh so here we are but yeah what is your what is your hope for the future of the united states like obviously we're a bit beholden to this gerontocracy yeah for the time being but again i focus on bitcoin because i view it as a way to opt out just exit like say

hey you guys go fuck up your financial system over here i'm gonna put my savings in bitcoin and work to make sure that the system becomes more robust and utilized by more and more people And hopefully at some point in the future, more and more people wake up that this is better than the petrodollar system and just begin using Bitcoin outside the purview of the hyper-controlled financial monetary system. Well, I think that we're going to, I can only speak to the U.S. because I'm not as versed as you are on the fiat system globally. Obviously, everybody's on a fiat now. But to the to the degree that we can rein in the Fed through Congress, I'm all for. But I'm not I don't actually see that happening. What I what I see in the future is a competition among states. I think that we're going to get less pastels. We're going to see less purple states. We're going to see a richer blue, like a deeper blue and a deeper red.

So I think the bifurcation is going to become more pronounced in that the red states are going to become redder and the blue states are going to become bluer. And I think the natural consequence of this is that you're going to have cultural financial battles between states at a level that we haven't seen before. Where that goes, I don't know. All I can do now is describe the sin that is taking place.

and I think a lot of a lot of our problems Marty are well let's go back to what I did at the White House I was basically a research assistant for a guy named Peter Navarro who was the key trade advisor I believe that the U.S. became strong and rich

and powerful in part because of our trade policy which was modeled on Henry Clay's American system which is free trade within the country tariff levels commensurate with the foreign And with the foreign arbitrage that is taking advantage of us through slave labor, regulatory arbitrage, etc. Pollution arbitrage. Remember, everybody who's concerned about pollution should be concerned about China. They're the they're the key emitters of it. Yeah, you're shutting down oil and gas production in the United States and trying to transition to solar and it's all being built over there where they're using coal plants to do it all.

It's human comedy. So I think that a lot of these economic problems are exacerbated by our trade relationship with China and our trade deficit. So I have a heretical view on trade. I'm sort of an Alexander Hamilton guy, whereas a lot of Republicans and a lot of neoliberal Democrats love the global trading system. I think it's horrible for us. And I think what it's going to lead to, if not changed, is a global leveling out. But what that requires is that for all the people in the first world and the Western world to get poorer. So you will see a leveling out, but it'll be like the wrong direction for us. Yes, like AEI always quotes these studies that the bottom three billion people in the world have went from $1 a day to $3.25 a day. Look at what trade has done for us. On this side of heaven where we have nation states, that's awful for us. So I think that true, to use a word that left us love, true development has to occur organically within a country, meaning we can't make Bangladesh great by giving them T-shirt jobs. They have to organically develop into a strong state on their own. We can't just give them trade giveaways.

And so what I mean is that we have so many trade imbalances now. If you go search, there's a slide that Trump holds up in a meeting about the tariff levels for an assortment of goods. And the U.S. always has lower tariff levels than other countries. And the way I look at that is this. Our producers have barriers to exports that they don't have. And we're the we're the open market of the world. Basically, the U.S. honors its agreements in trade by letting other companies products come in here or like other countries products come in here. But we don't get that level of support from other countries. It's not reciprocated. It's not reciprocated. So that's essentially it had no chance of passing in the in the Congress when I was in the White House.

But we Peter helped draft legislation called the Reciprocal Trade Act. And it was very simple. All it allowed the president to do was match the tariff level of the country that we were trading it to their level. It didn't give the president power to set it higher. We just wanted to match their tariff level. And we'll win because we have a bigger market, so there's a greater incentive. If you reciprocate their tariff levels, there's a greater incentive for them to open up, which is what we want. And so this is very interesting. I'm glad we got onto this because this is what I'm really interested in. I love what I'm doing at Marco Polo, but I love what I did at the White House even more in that if we don't fix the trading situation, America is going to become – I talked about a greater bifurcation. What greater bifurcation than we've ever had in the trading relationship? It basically favors, quote-unquote, knowledge economy workers. And what you have is a permanent class whose jobs have been shipped away.

And they're pissed and angry. And it creates many more social problems, I think. Oh, definitely. I mean, I see it very, I see it in my day-to-day jobs. So this company, Standard Bitcoin, we're a Bitcoin mining company. And as a Bitcoin mining company, we need to find the lowest cost of power possible to mine bitcoin as profitably as possible what we found particularly in appalachia northern tennessee southern kentucky is we're able to find cheap electricity because we can go into towns

rural towns that have falling populations and they have falling populations because their manufacturing capacity was completely blown out with globalization over the last 50 years yes so they had these massive substations that were supporting a steel plant or a large manufacturing facility but since they moved out uh the town has lost a significant amount of wealth and therefore a lot of people have moved out to go find jobs in cities and stuff like that but they still have these substations that are sitting there that were producing electricity for these factories uh and they need to make money off of that so we come in and we say hey we'll buy that electricity but the point being like i'm seeing this oh relevant as ever yeah and like it's very relevant to what

we do we actually take advantage of it um but also with the intent like hey we can help support this these rural communities by giving them more revenue to their utilities companies hopefully create some jobs and bring back some wealth to these areas but yeah no it's i completely agree i think we need to fix the trade policy and we need to look within and one thing that fucks up our trade policy is the stupid climate hysteria like the the climate change narrative the green energy transition esg whatever they're calling it at any given point in time like going back again for solar and wind on on economies don't allow people to drill oil and gas drill for oil and gas don't allow people to build nuclear power plants like that's imagine the jobs that could

be created if california wasn't so idiotic with their oil policy they have tons of oil in california was once the largest producer of oil in the country i didn't know that they refuse to drill for oil um yet their demand for oil remains the same and is increasing year on year so instead of producing it locally more cleaner yes more efficiently uh they shut down production in state and then go tear down the amazon rainforest in ecuador and then ship it over shipping containers they are able to wipe their hands clean say oh we're green here in california but yeah it's really just masked uh virtue signaling where they're actually consuming more oil year on year and they're just tearing down the amazon to get it but they don't see it

it's like quickly cleaning your apartment before your girlfriend comes over but you really didn't clean it you just rearrange the coffee table like there's still a bunch of grime that's what i that's that's the image that comes up in my head it's like it's not really clean at all you're just giving the facade of it but somebody can quickly draw the line between what you just described just absolutely horrific policies and the people who are in office now so i think what i'm trying to say is if we in this report like we allege describe foreign compromise then that is relevant i believe to these idiotic decisions like why is california doing this um you know why are these why are these left-wing people doing this i think in part because they're getting some sort of pay

out at the back end there's got to be some benefit to quote unquote wanting every vehicle in the federal fleet to be electric it cannot just be ideology it's got to be there's coin in there there's money to be made for these people in some fashion it can't just be ideology no and it's i mean it doesn't make any sense there's no way we could go fully electric yeah oh the the grid can handle it and uh there's not enough rare earth metals on the planets well imagine batteries Imagine some leftist saying that they care about slavery, which obviously I do too, and I think it's abhorrent. The amount of slavery that goes into creating cobalt for the electric batteries is so much greater than oil extraction. There was this guy, there was this liberal who put out a great documentary about these like 70-year-olds in the Congo.

now they're not in chains but they're effectively in chains like using a pickaxe to get the cobalt out of the ground bare feet touching mercury and it's disgusting yeah it's it's gross but they they like you said they have a fetish for the electric vehicles um i think it's an i think it's a nascent cute idea that can't be done at scale right now if there's a cobalt deposit that we're not aware of and it becomes plentiful in 15 years, maybe, but right now the extraction you have to do to it is simply, it doesn't allow to go to scale. So, um, but you know, all I can say is I'm, I'm excited to research these things. I think the truth matters for its own sake. So even if, even if Hunter sees no justice, let's say it's all the state attorney generals, uh, get no courage and

all the statute of limitations passes and he gets a plea deal from the u.s attorney's office in delaware and his dad commutes a plea deal so he doesn't have to pay the back so he doesn't have to pay the four million dollars even if all that occurs the fact that this report is written is valuable in its own sake because i i value the truth so that is a that that may sound quiche to people's ears and sort of um oh well it's very fitting that you're on this show tftc uh stands for truth for the commoner so yeah and i was intrigued though by obviously it has an it looks analogous to a trojan horse it is a trojan horse yes but describe why you put what's the who made the logo and why is it your idea my idea had a designer uh actually

bring it to life for me but yeah that's it's like this media platform there's a bit of a trojan horse to get alternative ideas out there whether it be bitcoin having somebody like you on a true investigative journalist researcher uh touching topics that others in the mainstream or yeah i can't even get christian sites to have me on yeah like somebody based here in texas the stream which is a christian so i have nothing against personally the writer but the writer told me that the owners of the company don't want me on so what i'm trying to say is yeah it could be a trojan horse because you'd think that a christian site would look at this material and say hey this is sin this should be exposed but you'll have me on and they won't yeah so so it's a one-man opera i mean it's not

one-man operation obviously we have logan but i have a full uh editorial yeah just like us we're grassroots funded yeah are you i mean i'm sure there's grassroots funding in your operation we love that because there was not one person told us what that we couldn't put anything in there And that's important to me. I don't want anybody to have editorial control. We have like 1,000 small-dollar donors. And again, I pitched this idea to certain think tanks right after I left the White House, and nobody would touch it.

So I had to do my own thing. Well, thank you for chugging through and doing it because it's extremely important. Again, it's controversial. People will be like, that's the thing. There will be people listening to this podcast. Bitcoiners don't like to be political or say, oh, why? Oh, it's not political.

We're a 501c3. And again, we criticize Republicans more in this dossier, and even if you hate me personally and don't like the way I talk or present myself, if you read the dossier, all 644 pages, and come away thinking that there's not an issue here, then you're crazy. And we're doing a second round of printing, so in the Twitter stream, I'll post the link to that, we're doing it all in-house. I package and ship each one. It's sort of analogous to like a comic, you know, like, like independent comics do their own thing. Like they, they find the printer, they sign each copy. It's like smuggling Bibles into the Soviet Union, man.

Like I, I, I carry this thing under my arm. And the reason why we have a dolphin talking about your logo is number one, once you see the logo, you, you want to investigate it. So that's why, and dolphins travel in pods. so that's sort of our thing that one person alone is insufficient for the for the project you got to have a team you've got to have in the best teams are small teams like james o'keefe tragically went through a coup in the last month and i think that's partly because he got a bigger team he's so you know there's like 50 people there and i'm like i can't ever get to that point because then you

lose control yeah you lose control when you get that big and that maybe is part of our country's problems we're getting too big for like you say the fiat legacy systems like to be able to manage yeah and completely they're collapsing under their own weight right now and that's like that's the thing like agree it's a shame what's happened to james but today we just have a camera one producer some microphones some lights the leverage that we have as individuals to like get this content out there like i don't ever plan on expanding this team at all yeah no just me and my thoughts like yeah i people like you on well i appreciate it and hopefully next time i'm in austin i have a different topic you know maybe i'm on to the next thing um we got to get you on rogan while you're

in town is he here in austin yeah i thought he was in dallas yeah he's in austin i we sent a copy of the hard copy it's like i sent you to one of the fighters in the ufc that knows him But I don't think we've got it. We've always joked that Jamie won't like me because I'm right wing, even though I'm not a Republican, he'll think I'm a Republican. I'm not literally never been part of a party. In fact, what attracted me to work for Trump was his hatred of the Republicans. He called him stupid. He called him weak. That was part of the best parts of the campaign, in my opinion. I hope that Jamie will let me on. I hope that if Rogan hears about me that Jamie doesn't veto me. You know what I love about their show? They fact-check in real time. So when I say something, like there's probably half a dozen times

I reference something else that's not in a report, I want Jamie to look that up on Google at the moment I say it. So if I'm wrong, that they can correct. yeah well that's i think one thing that you've done extremely well presenting this report and the way you present it in person is just say i'm sticking to the facts here's the primary sources yeah this is all i'm not going to like run on conspiracies with malia obama's credit card or pet op it's like that was not in the laptop so i will not validate that yeah and i don't want to get remember if hunter sues me it will be a masterful civil trial because we'll get to

present all of this in a setting that can be you know transcribed and put into the record if he really wants to go because he threatened to sue me yesterday he said if I don't apologize publicly which I would rather die doing I will you have you have the opportunity now do you want to apologize publicly no I I would rather over my dead body will I publicly apologize they paid this fourteen hundred dollar an hour attorney named Abby Lowell who represented Bill Clinton during the impeachment to write a letter to me. Bill Clinton's lawyer during his impeachment wrote me a letter yesterday demanding that I apologize to Hunter Biden publicly. It's so ridiculous. Again, if they sue me for defamation, which they've threatened to do, they have to prove

that what I've said is false. So we're going to open up all of the emails. We're going to go through all of the Amtrak receipts, and I'm going to be calling as witnesses the women who were on the Amtrak tickets. Um, maybe I can locate him. Maybe I won't, but I don't think Hunter wants to do that. It's very stupid for him to go down this path. He should ignore me and do his doodles in a cabin in Montana. But, oh, and can we just, can I say one thing? Uh, Hunter is not selling original paintings most of the time. What he's selling are prints of his paintings. So he was selling prints for seventy five thousand dollars something that somebody could go to kinko's and print out it's a joke like if i had a high resolution png image of his paintings i could

go to like staples and print it out but he's selling i just that's so funny to me and he's doing this like glycine version where he blows the paint onto the canvas it's all very odd what we've what the congress and i told him i didn't meet with the congressman directly but i met with the staffers for Comer, and this is the last thing I'll say, you've got to subpoena the Art LLC. You've got to get those transfers, man. If we get those transfers for his art deal, I want to come back because I think that those transactions are going to be fascinating.

There's some smoking guns there. Well, yeah, I mean, why would Hunter miraculously become an artist when his dad becomes a president? Yeah, it's always very fishy. Yeah. Garrett, thank you very much for your time. No, thank you. And thank you for all the hard work.

I mean, you're putting your neck out there. I mean, this is some pretty heady stuff, and there's some pretty powerful people that don't want this stuff looked into. Hopefully we can get a physical copy to as many people as possible. We're promoting something now. We're trying to get one to each state representative. Where can they find it if anybody listening to this wants to pick up a physical copy? Yeah, the link for the physical copy is on our Twitter feed,

Marco Polo 501c3 and then everything else is at MarcoPoloUSA.org awesome go check it out freaks Garrett keep fighting the good fight

thank you very much for having me on thank you to Whitney for introducing us shout out to Whitney peace and love freaks the king