TFTC: A Bitcoin Podcast - #447: Biowarfare In The 21st Century with Sam Husseini

Episode Date: September 22, 2023

Marty sits down with Sam Husseini to discuss his journalistic history and findings surrounding Covid and modification of pathogens. Find Sam on Substack: http://husseini.substack.com/ 0:00 - Intro 5:36 - Sam’s body of work 8:20 - Covid’s parallels to anthrax attacks 15:08 - Wuhan lab obscurement 22:56 - Biowarfare is unique 26:02 - USAID funding of the lab 30:44 - The gaslighting is highly effective 40:54 - Those in control have no benevolent intentions 44:02 - Disappointment in RFK 46:02 - Bird flu modification 48:21 - Actionable items 50:17 - Censorship 56:38 - Wrapping up Shoutout to our sponsors: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Unchained⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠River⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Bitcoin Talent Co⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TFTC Merch is Available: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Shop Now⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join the TFTC Movement: Main ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YT Channel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Clips ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YT Channel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Marty Bent: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Podcast⁠⁠⁠⁠

what's up freaks it's your boy marty here to introduce this rip of tftc i sat down with prolific journalist sam husseini to talk about controversial topic we'll see if we get anything we get taken down from youtube for this one he doesn't know we talked about covid whether it was created in the lab what we're talking about now won't be on youtube no it won't be it won't be but great episode sam's doing very important investigative journalism work he's one of the last remaining actual journalists who isn't just a lapdog of the mainstream media and the government that likes to use them as a propaganda arm he's actually asking the tough questions and we we dove into the tough questions he's been

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and get in the mix to join our journey to the Bitcoin standard. Enjoy this rip with Sam. Very important rip. Take care. You've had a dynamic where money has become freer than free. When you talk about a Fed just gone nuts. All the central banks going nuts. So it's all acting like safe haven.

I believe that in a world where central bankers are tripping over themselves to devalue their currency, Bitcoin wins. In the world of fiat currencies, Bitcoin is the victor. I mean, that's part of the bull case for Bitcoin. If you're not paying attention, you probably should be. What's up, freaks? Welcome back to TFTC. Really excited for this episode, Sam. I was just mentioning I'm a bit embarrassed that it's taken me this long to find your journalistic work and came across my radar a few weeks ago

when you were, I believe, at a State Department press briefing and you were asking questions about the USAID's funding of the Wuhan lab and Ralph Baric's connection particularly, and that really piqued my interest because we've been covering COVID here over the last three years, three and a half, almost four years now, since it was unleashed on the world. And that led me to reach out to you to invite you on the show to talk about this particular instance in this particular question you asked the press secretary. And then that led me to do research on all the work that you've done. Not all of it, I'm sure, but a

lot of the work you've done throughout the years, and you've been on the front lines of trying to hold the power structure's feet to the fire, asking really hard questions, whether it be about the war in Iraq, the anthrax, false flag, I think you would define it as, and most importantly, in recent years, the narrative around COVID. And you've been on top of it based off of my research since COVID, again, was unleashed on the world in early 2020 and been skeptical about the mainstream narrative. So yeah, that was my monologue saying, I'm embarrassed I didn't find you.

You've been doing great work for decades now, and I appreciate you joining us on the show today. Thank you very much. It's a testament to the power of shadow banning. That you and lots of people don't know about my work, but I'm delighted to be with you. So you're pretty sure you're shadow banned? Oh yeah, I've documented how I'm sometimes

uniquely shadow banned uh um once documented right after musk took over twitter uh i put out a piece critiquing his stance about freedom of speech not freedom of reach and then right after that i was shadow banned in a way i'd never been shadow banned before like you would if i click if you put i put out a tweet and then you responded to it and you looked at your response my tweet would disappear it was just totally freaky i mean i think i'm still shadow banned to some extent uh but for a while i was like shadow banned like i'd never seen anybody shadow well i'm happy that that's what i meant that you know when that happened yeah well i'm happy that tweet made it through the shadow ban because i'm really excited for this conversation i think we

could start there just with your questioning of the press secretary about USAID's involvement with the potential funding of the Wuhan lab and the connection between Ralph Baric I believe out of North Carolina and the research that was going on particularly around gain of function with the coronavirus specifically and again you've been on this since the early days of COVID february march 2020 uh what sort of tipped you off to the mainstream narrative not being aligned with what the things that you were seeing um i've written about this um big chunk of what tipped me off was francis boyle who's a law professor who wrote the u.s implementing legislation for the bioweapons convention um i actually got an email from him sometime in

late january of 2020 um after the outbreak started and um he was saying you know somebody should check to see if there's a lab in lujan um because he was suspicious because he you know he's been through so many of these outbreaks and occasionally he you know said you know determines or you know thinks that they would be connected to a lab um and then a couple of days later uh there was a news story that you know said oh thank goodness there's a lab in wuhan that can help assess the situation um totally getting the structure of the issue backwards um and you know francis shot me an email and said bingo um he he's had a small list that he sends stuff about by warfare you know people who have expressed an interest in you know i've done some work on the

anthrax attacks as you mentioned from uh 2001 they for folks who aren't familiar um uh following 9 11 there were letters with anthrax in them sent to major media and members of congress um the two members of Congress that they were sent to that we know of were Daschle and Leahy, who were the two members of Congress who seemed poised to challenge the implementation of the Patriot Act. So the Congress had to be shut down. There was a nationwide panic. You know, 9-11 was sort of of a discrete event. So the anthrax attacks following 9-11 were sort of, you know, set off a genuine national panic. People were afraid to open their mail, which back then was a really important thing. And so, and that's when they launched the Afghan war as well. The anthrax

letters came with you know letters written on them saying you know uh death to america death to israel praise to allah so they were obviously intended to have people point fingers at arabs and or muslims specifically iraq and or al-qaeda and that's how they got played in the major media um and you had anonymous sources telling abc's brian ross that they traced the anthrax to a strain that was from Iraq, which ended up being, of course, complete disinformation. And Brian Ross has continued to protect the anonymous source who fed him that false information. So, but it turned out after serious forensic evidence was done that it was the AIM strain, which was connected to U.S. labs and or their allies, most likely either in Britain or Israel.

So, you know, so that's the crux of the anthrax case. They ended up pinning it on a series of individuals and the case fell apart on each of them. And then they pinned it on Bruce Ivins, a lone scientist at Fort Detrick, who committed, allegedly committed suicide. And therefore, they didn't have to have a trial. And therefore, they didn't have to produce evidence. And the FBI just said, no, he did it. Too bad we don't have, we can't have a trial. Leahy, one of the senators who was under attack, finally brought Mueller before the Senate in 2008. this is before Mueller became infamous for his Russiagate work. And Leahy told Mueller to his face, I don't buy this. I don't buy that one person did all of this. And there the matter stood. And Congress never investigated it. There was one lone congressman who kept saying, maybe we should, you know, find out what happened. So Congress went under a false flag bioweapons

attack at a critical time in U.S. history. It helped spawn the Patriot Act, civil liberties, repression, and helped start the forever wars. Afghanistan was the first invasion. And then you, of course, had Iraq and Libya and Syria and so on and so forth. And it never investigated it. So I, you know, in part contrast that with the whole January 6th, you know, endless talk and speculation and so-called investigation and so on um so that that's part of the background that got me interested in this general subject and the unique features of bio weapons and what what that they can do and what they can do in terms of having a mass panic um people become very frightened um as they did after 9-11 as they did after the anthrax attacks as

did after covet and it hinders many people's capacity to think and think critically yeah and i'm having a bit of pattern recognition here because again i was a bit shocked doing research on your work on the athrex uh the aftermath of the anthrax false flag i think is safe to say now at this point but i don't remember i mean whoever sent those letters was either from i mean whether it was bruce ivan's or a wider conspiracy um you know but it was a it was clearly they intended to make it seem that it was coming from an arab or muslim source and it wasn't so it was a false flag yeah and this is where the pattern recognition comes in because i'm 32 i was 10 11 when that happened and um obviously 20 20 years have passed 21 years and

And I am going to admit, I never knew that there was that deep of an investigation into anthrax. It was successfully swept under the rug and something that I wasn't aware of until I was researching your journalism on that particular event. And it seems like bringing this forward to COVID and the potential that USAID, and I haven't heard you mention it, but I'm sure you're aware of the NIH funding the Wuhan lab. It seems like something similar is being attempted in real time right now in regards to covid in terms of brushing everything under the rug, not answering any legitimate questions and just trying to make people believe that this was actually something that was animal born and was a natural phenomenon that that took over the world. Yeah. And by the way, I plug this on my sub stack that there have been a number of writers, Whitney Webb, Alexis Bader Mayer, who've made additional connections between the anthrax attacks and COVID in terms of personnel involved, as well as institutions and other things. um there was a tremendous uh propaganda blitz at the beginning of the pandemic to pretend that it couldn't have come out of a lab um this was done there were sort of two pillars to this well first i should say before those pillars came out i was at a news conference

which really sort of sent me down this path at a press club where i used to have an office and the CDC was there and they were talking about the outbreak this was before it was declared a pandemic February 11th and I you know I asked you know is it the CDC's contention I had just learned about that the lab existed in Wuhan a couple of days before this and I said you know is it the CDC's contention that this has no relationship to the lab in Wuhan it's the only ABSL-4, that's the highest level lab that we know of in all of China. And they gave a very disingenuous answer. And I followed up, you know, specifically saying, you know, even if it looks like it came out of nature, it still doesn't mean that it might not have come through the lab. That

as it could have been collected and then, you know, housed at the lab, now through the lab. To me, that is obviously lab origin. If you take something from a cave where nobody is and it's not hurting anybody and then you put it in a city of several million people, you're doing something there. And they, again, gave a very disingenuous response. So that sort of set me into starting to look at this. And then in the coming weeks and months, there were two pillars put out. One was the letter in the Lancet, Peter Daszak, who's head of EcoHealth Alliance, which funded the lab in Wuhan.

And Jeremy Farrar, who was head of the Wellcome Trust, which is sort of the Gates Foundation equivalent in Britain. And he now is chief scientist for the WHO, which is now in the process of juicing up its treaties. And the UN now is meeting to further this, to further empower the WHO in terms of what it can do during a pandemic. These provisions will likely further erode democratic processes in individual countries and their sovereignty. um uh so that was one pillar from the lancet and the other pillar was uh from uh nature medicine uh the the the lancet letter said we condemn conspiracy theories that this came out of a lab which is a lunatic statement to make a lunatic statement at best it's actually a very disingenuous manipulative statement in order to hinder people from critical thought from saying

hold on could this have come out of a lab to call it a conspiracy theory um and then shortly after that the other major pillar uh that came out was the nature medicine article um and um that was signed by robert gary and christian anderson uh to u.s-based scientists at tulane and scripts research, respectively. Some of us speculated at the time that other people who didn't sign it were behind that. Limited FOIAs that have come out since from the group U.S. Right to Know show clearly that Fauci, as well as Jeremy Farrar, had a substantial hand in molding that, uh, that article, uh, which, you know, again, both of these had major echo chambers throughout the major media and online and so on. Um, so they, um, and that

article said that COVID could not be a laboratory construct and it purported to be a scientific article it wasn't um it disingenuously um tried to dismiss the possibility of lab origin um i started finally getting some stuff published at that point this is before i had my sub stack i got a piece in salon and i hooked up with the people at independent science news and they've been publishing some of my stuff um and then one of the things that i did was um document the money going to EcoHealth Alliance from the NIH, as you said, but far more than the NIH, which got some publicity. They got far more money from the Pentagon and even far more money from USAID. The NIH money was, I would think, around $3 million. USAID over the years had given

them upwards of $60 million. And so I have periodically been able to get into the State Department briefings. And so I've been pursuing that. I've asked at the State Department four times now over the last year when I've been able to go back there again. And I've never gotten a straight answer from them, not even an acknowledgement that they did fund the lab at Wuhan, that some of their money made it there. They have not acknowledged that. To the best of my knowledge, other people have made that charge, including former government people who I don't necessarily take their statements at face value. For example, Redfield, the former head of the CDC, has said that the USAID funded the lab in Wuhan, but they won't

confirm it. And I'm going to continue to try to get that information out of them in terms of how much funding and to force them to disclose documentation, because it's critical. You know, people have a lot of mythologies about biowarfare. They say that biowarfare is a poor man's weapon. They've even, you know, the people, the Republicans in Congress had some hearings which had some decent information on them and they had some this guy from mit on it he was like why is the u.s and china the great powers why are they engaging in this stuff this is this is a poor man's weapon it's not a poor man's weapon it has a unique attribute which is deniability nice country you got there it's a shame you just had a swine flu outbreak

maybe we can help you with that bio-warfare is a unique weapon and it can be used by so-called great powers for very destructive purposes because they can claim that they are not

responsible they're not responsible for it so I don't know if you want me to keep going there are other things other paths that my research took me to No, I mean, I'm just sitting back. Not only is it, it's a very nefarious weapon, too, because it's almost like humans trying to play God with nature. And who knows what the unknown unknowns are that. Yeah. And it kills civilians for the most part. It's an incredibly nefarious weapon. And I mean, another unique attribute of it is, you know, the one good thing about a nuclear war is that you know that it happened.

you could be under a biological weapons attack and you wouldn't necessarily know it because you don't know if it's a weapon or if it's a natural outbreak especially if you're being disinformed about the possibility that came out of a lab and if it came out of a lab then it could well be a weapon um you know the bioweapons convention prohibits this kind of work and they've tried to in effect do workarounds and exceptions to say oh it's only for defensive purposes it's actually not a legitimate argument because the convention and the associated u.s law doesn't have the word defensive in it as an exception it says peaceful purposes so francis boyle the law professor who wrote it you know makes a stink about that and i think

legitimately um but uh they pretend that they're doing this work for beneficial purposes but it's all a statement of intent right it's like saying the u.s invaded iraq because of iraq because of alleged weapons of mass destruction because they allegedly wanted to bring democracy to iraq the statement of purpose uh just a pretext that's not to be taken seriously so for them to take viruses and then make them more deadly and so we're only doing this you know for you know humanistic beneficial reasons well that's that's what you say uh there's no reason to take that at face value now and then bringing this back to the usa id and their funding i mean you mentioned the foia request that sort of brought to light the fact that fauci was emailing with others to

sort of form the narrative in the early days and that's a direct paper trail to prove some type of literal conspiracy to conspired to drive a narrative into the public's consciousness but there have been individuals who've come out and said usa id has funded uh the wuhan lab in the past and the nih i believe there's paper trails of the nih that we can point to as are there any usaid yeah i have i don't bring that up because that was established and conceded early on And so there's no paper trail that shows direct funding from USAID to Wuhan. It's just hearsay at this point. It has not been made public yet.

Yeah. And they have thus far refused to acknowledge it on the four occasions that I've asked about it at the State Department briefings. Yeah. And I've emailed them. They usually respond to my emails when I do an immediate request for something. Actually, they responded once with just boilerplate material about the subject, but not answering the question. Does the USAID have some special protections where they're not an agency that is forced to give up information? Could this information be FOIA requested?

It could and it has been. That was actually one of my questions at the State Department, the fact that U.S. Right to Know filed FOIAs with USAID early on during the pandemic. they never responded so earlier this year i harangued ned price who was their spokesperson he lost his job shortly after this um and that you know when are you gonna you know why haven't you released these documents it's been three years and you wouldn't wouldn't give a meaningful response so i harangued him about that for a while yeah um so yeah so so we don't know that you know this is why and the you know again some republicans have made some decent noise sometimes you know they overly blame china for things from my point of view but what they haven't really done

is use their subpoena power right the republicans um you know in in the house um have a majority and they could use their subpoena power and they could force these agencies to turn over documents they could force individuals to testify and they have not meaningfully done that um so you have you know there are so many aspects to the failure that's gone on here from you know the stonewalling by the agencies themselves the complete uh disregard for the facts by the democrats and even many so-called progressives and the fact that the republicans really aren't using the tools that they have available why do you think they're keeping everything so close to the chest and trying to brush it under the rug i think the us is dominated

by political factions who have two goals in mind one is to target china to some extent and the The other is to ensure that you continue what is effectively bio-warfare work. And there are personnel behind the scenes, some of whom I've been able to track. For example, Robert Kadlec had a role in the anthrax attacks. He was in the Bush administration at the time. And then he became, he was over at HHS, Health and Human Services, and he effectively ran Operation Warp Speed, which rolled out the vaccines, so-called vaccines, the jabs, at the beginning of the, you know, during the Trump administration.

And now he's over at the Senate, effectively directing traffic as to what the Republicans um, in the Senate do and don't do. So, um, that's a problem right there. Um, that's going to hinder what the Republicans do and don't do, at least on the Senate side. And I imagine it has some effect over on the house side and there might be other constraints there that I haven't been able to figure out yet. Um, so I mean, there is a deep seated us establishment and there are a lot of layers to it and i and other people are doing our best to peel away yeah yeah they're really good at protecting the establishment and it's weird it's like whether it's anthrax weapons of mass destruction or what we're discussing now as it pertains to covid there's just a ton of gas

lighting and it's effective people again going back to anthrax like i was unaware of the the follow-ups on the anthrax attacks until i was doing research for this interview and that's what i worry about in the context of covid is that happens and all this time passes and it just gets swept under the rug and yeah covid stuff already is being memory old um and there's a lot of stuff out there another case that i've investigated i mentioned um the second pillar propaganda, the Proximal Origins paper that said that COVID could not be a laboratory construct written by Robert Gary at Tulane and Christian Anderson at Scripps Research. So I started doing research about the two of them. Why are they doing this? Now, as we said, since then, you know,

there's been documentation that came out regarding Fauci and Farrar playing a role in that article, but they themselves had a very insidious motivation to lie about the possibility that COVID had lab origins. And that is that they are respectively the president and vice president of a thing called the Viral Hemorrhagic Fever Consortium. This is a collection of labs, U.S. labs in West Africa. At the time in 2014, you had the 2014 Ebola outbreak, which covered 11,000 people, and it was probably the largest international crises of that year. um africans at the time said that it uh that that that they were concerned that it came out of a lab out of the u.s labs there that the ebola did and they were treated as nut job conspiracy theorists

simpleton africans who don't know anything about anything i did a very deep investigation about this with Jonathan Latham at Independent Science News. He's a virologist. And we came to the conclusion that there was a very serious case to be made about this. I don't want to go on and on about the specifics. Part of our work relied on the work of Chernobah, who's a journalist from Sierra Leone. He actually is in the US now, just got his PhD at Northwestern. And he pointed out lots of things and we built on top of them. For example, the US labs were in Sierra Leone. And the claim was by many of the same individuals who later played a role in COVID, that the outbreak happened just over the border in Guinea.

And they pinned it all on this child, little Emil, who they claimed was two years old for playing with bats. In fact, he was only 18 months, probably too young to be playing with bats. They claimed that he died of Ebola. The workers in the village say, and his father say, no, he died of malaria. um the uh german team um by fabian linders who as i indicate also played a role in covid origins and working with peter dazek um he uh um couldn't find any ebola in the in the village they claimed that it came from a burnt out tree where the bats had been

but were no longer there um they admitted in their article that prior ebola outbreaks had a die-off of the local mammalian species and there was no such die-off in this case this is in west africa which is a thousand miles away from prior ebola outbreaks which had been in central africa So it's kind of similar to COVID in that respect. That is, COVID breaks out in Wuhan, apparently, which is far away from the caves where you would think that it would be from. um and there was a whole series of things that indicate that this narrative was wrong when Doctors Without Borders finally got to the area they complained about a hidden outbreak in Sierra Leone uh Metabiota was actually part of the consortium people might recognize that name it's had a hand in the Ukraine and with Hunter Biden's corruption and so on um it's actually

also connected to code to uh google um which is an important player in all of this um because of the surveillance aspects of it um but they um uh metabiotic was apparently under accounting cases in sierra leone again to make it seem like the outbreak happened in guinea away from the u.s labs that they were constructing a narrative so that people wouldn't think that it came out of the, or had anything to do with the U.S. labs. So another strand of the evidence here is that people might have heard that so-called gain-of-function lab work, that's the euphemism for making pathogens more deadly or more transmissible, gain-of-function lab work, It was paused by the Obama administration. Actually, it was paused on October 17th, 2014, which is the exact same day that Ron Klain became Ebola czar.

Ron Klain is a major mover and shaker in the Democratic establishment. And Obama made him Ebola czar after the crisis really started heating up. And that was the day that the pause was put into place, the pause for federal funding of gain-of-function lab work. And there are other indications, other cutoffs of funding that indicates that the Obama administration itself assessed that Ebola came out of a lab for that outbreak. And we lay that out in the article for Independent Science News. um and uh so i mean and ron clain just so people might not know realize who he is i mean he was just he was chief of staff for biden until earlier this year um you know basically makes him prime minister uh but he's not a household name because a lot of the people who are actually making decisions aren't you know aren't you know put in front of the camera yeah it's very obvious that

biden's not making the decisions so he's one of the shadowy figures behind him pushing all this and going back to like the gain of function research i can remember that and so like with ebola and ron clean stepping in did they do you think they realized like oh crap we can't be doing this here this is pretty bad um so we're gonna stop it i mean i don't know exactly what happened i know that's my question but it looks like they said holy crap this could have come out of a lab We got to, you know, distance ourselves from this for whatever reason. Maybe, you know, if the truth ever does come out, they want to say, well, look, we cut off the funding. We caused the work or because they realized the danger, you know, whatever the reason is.

But there's a whole series of things to indicate that they thought that it came out. Yeah. And this is where like Wuhan and COVID comes back in, correct? because they shut down funding at places like Fort Detrick here in the U.S. and then allocated all that research abroad to places like Wuhan. At least that's what the theory is, correct? Well, I mean, Fort Detrick is very well funded as far as I know. But it seems that NIH as well as USAID and other things funded uh dangerous lab work in other places around the world using eco health alliance

you know it sounds like a nice nice earthy crunchy group uh but you know it's it has advisors who used to work at fort dietrich which is the flagship u.s bioweapons facility you know for decades on end um so um yeah so they they have clearly funneled this dangerous lab work around the world and uh one of the places is wuhan um you know there's been some attention and i haven't really dug into this but the whole thing around the labs in ukraine is a serious issue and the Russians have made a lot of very serious allegations and they deserve to certainly be looked at about us labs there yeah and that was funny because that was a conspiracy theory until victoria nolan was pressed and forced to actually admit i mean i don't know if she was forced i mean

she was asked by uh you know um what's his name uh rubio uh about it and you know you don't know what's going on in these people's brains but he seemed to think that you know she would dismiss this but that there were these you know u.s bio labs there but she didn't dismiss it she acknowledged it so i know at least that that came out at least that much of it was officially confirmed but i suspect that there's a great deal more but i haven't dug into the ukraine i can't help but think that the federal government and all the alphabet soup agencies that exist below it whether it's in the intelligence sector or bioweapons sector there's it doesn't seem like they have americans or the citizens of other countries best interests at heart i mean having

been doing this for decades now like are you completely jaded by the political process and the federal apparatus that exists in this country and globally it's sort of pretty interconnected at certain levels yeah it is um i'm not jaded i'm you know regular people are you know um You know, not aware of what's going on. And there are serious media and big tech mechanisms to keep critical information from the public. And it's my job to try to understand the information as best as I can and present it as best I can. uh yeah these institutions are um designed to maintain an edifice of empire um that the u.s is an empire but they're working in concert sometimes with other powers so there's a dimension to this where you have the u.s and chinese establishments colluding as well as sometimes clashing even i would say still with the russian establishment uh colluding as well

is clashing sometimes um they're vying for power among sort of like the democrats and republicans right they they seem to be clashing it sometimes but a lot of the time they're colluding you know they're they're they're you know each saying you know pretending to be for the public in different ways while they're colluding with their buddies on wall street or silicon valley or or military and getting the actual programs through that are diverting U.S. taxpayer money towards nefarious purposes that benefit a very few people and the most regular people totally in the dust, if not completely ripped off. It's a familiar pattern, but the job of journalism and the job of citizens and others is to try to understand as best you can and try to expose it and, you know, implement whatever things you can to hold these people

accountable. I think we're in a unique window right now to hold these people accountable. I mean, I've been very frustrated by the fact that Jeremy Farrar, who then was head of the welcome trust and played a pivotal role in disseminating the false information that COVID could not have come from a lab is now chief scientist of the WHO. It's a position he took on just this year. It's ridiculous that he's the chief scientist of the WHO. It's particularly dangerous because the WHO is attempting to juice up its power. I'm very angry at somebody who a lot of people had hope in uh robert uh kennedy who put out a book on fauci that had some good information on it i read it when it came out um it had some stuff i didn't agree with but a lot of stuff in

it was good and then he runs for president now he suddenly when he gets on big media doesn't talk about pandemic issues he doesn't talk about lab origins he doesn't talk about gain of function he's not educating the public at least when you have like like a sheepdog like um you know bernie Sanders, you know, he was a dead end in a lot of ways, but at least he gave voice to a critical issue, income inequality. Kennedy's not even doing that. You know, he's running around, he's talking about the border, he's talking about this issue, he's talking about that issue. And he's self-censoring it is the best way, is the most polite way to put it. And he's like making completely deranged pro-israeli statements as well that's where his energy is going and he's

not educating people about getting a functional lab work that poses an existential threat to humanity um on par if not greater than um you know you know climate or nuclear war or anything else as we've seen right we all lived through covid and can see what can happen and the next one could be worse um uh and kennedy's you know not not coming out on this uh and certainly not when he gets on big media outlets you know he gets on rogan or when he gets on some establishment media outlet you know i'm sure he's still doing some small podcasts where he might mention this that's not my point he's got an opportunity to reach a mass public on this and he has thus far these many months into his campaign failed to do so. There are some good moves, though, I should say.

You know, I said that next one could be worse. And part of what I'm thinking of that there are scientists at the University of Wisconsin. And we were talking about Ralph Baric earlier. And if you want to, we can talk more about him. He's at the University of North Carolina. But in Wisconsin, And the scientists there did work that made the avian flu, which is highly, highly lethal, but not easily transmissible. And they made it more easily transmissible. It's estimated that if that got out, we're talking about billions, with a B, people dead. um but it was government money uh as well as funding from the gates foundation that funded uh the work at the uh at the university of wisconsin that did that um there is legislation

now in wisconsin state legislation to try to stop that um why are they even working on it it we're scientists and we're curious and we want to know and we think that if we do this work that it will help prevent the next pandemic that's what they say that that that's what they say fundamentally again it's just like completely hubristic man trying to play god totally totally and you have other scientists who don't get a lot of press saying it you know you have prestigious scientists saying this is madness this is crazy um the most prominent person the most prominent scientist in the united states is probably uh richard ebright uh he's at rutgers um and i imagine that he's at rutgers and not a more

prestigious university precisely because he's taken principal stands on this um he's an scientists um and you know it's been very outspoken it is no warning of the dangers of this of this lab yeah yeah it's very it's very i'm i'm pretty jaded it's very disheartening um i'm sorry you're jaded but it's you know isn't it liberating to at least get some level of of of truth about what's going on and you know at least some level of things to do right i mean i'm saying that there that there's this thing in wisconsin so i don't know if you have any listeners in wisconsin um and they can you know help push that i wrote an article about it and you know i linked to the legislation uh people are in other places where this lab work

is being done it's being done in texas at galveston uh as i say north carolina with barrick who's probably doing the most dangerous stuff i mean he you know not the most dangerous but the most sophisticated i would say um maryland where i am right now uh because that's where fort dietrich is it'll be interesting if the maryland government tried to stop fort dietrich which is a federal facility from doing lab work but that's a fight i'd like to see happen um uh and uh presumably it's scripts and other facilities in california um uh yeah yeah well you mentioned the window of time uh and that's because you know yeah because people you know you know pandemic is over were, but here we are, WHO is trying to do a power grab. They could declare a pandemic

two months, two years from now, who the hell knows, and suddenly everybody's in lockdown mode again. And then the repression really kicks in. So we have a relatively open period right now and we need to make the most of it, I think. And that's the scary thing, like bringing this back to media, which outside of individuals like yourself seems wholly incapable or unwilling to actually do the hard work and educate the public, like bringing WHO back into this. Like YouTube has come out in the last two months and said, if you say anything on our platform that goes against what the World Health Organization is telling us is correct, we're going to remove your content and give you a strike. and logan my producer and i were just talking right before this there's dr paul saladino he had an episode about raw milk and just the benefits of raw milk and misconceptions around it a couple years ago and they pulled that a couple days ago because the world health organization

doesn't recognize raw milk as something that people should be able to ingest and that's like the scary thing when you have this supra structure of federal government and large corporations like google teaming up to really prevent this information from getting out there it's it's very scary and it's part of the reason why we do this show but we are we're being honest with ourselves we're and that on the ass of the elephant that is the mainstream media and this sort of techno political super structure that exists out there like we're it's really a david first goliath type setup right now for the individuals who want the truth and the power structure that doesn't want anybody realizing that truth yeah no it absolutely is it absolutely is

the resources on the other side are tremendous and you know like we said there are different factions of them and part of the problem there is that they try to make you pick a side you know you know funnel you into the you know msnb you know democrat msnbc world or you know crump world or whatever but they both for the most part lead to the fundamentally same place so it's it's kind of a con that goes on there so i've sort of overcome that as well yeah and then you mentioned elon elon in the beginning of the episode and yeah he's posturing like he's trying to make x this platform a free speech but i i think i've been calling elon the manchurian candidate of the private sector um for the last few months because if you just look at his body

of work he's heavily dependent on government subsidies and all of his other lines of businesses and to think that he would sacrifice that that money spigot um by allowing people to speak freely on on x is a bit naive on behalf of a lot of people out there who actually believe that he's really trying to bring free speech back yeah i mean in some respects it's you know terrible that he's deceiving people but people know that they need something else you know there's a hunger out there and they don't know what it is they're just flailing around saying maybe trump will provide an answer no he's not gonna do it is elon gonna provide it is he gonna to help is that the the public is hungry for you know some modicum of you know accountability and

you know actual facts and um genuine honesty i think it's just that you have to peel through so many layers of deceit to try to get to it and most people you know taking care of their kids or parents or whatever and trying to get by and don't you know can't can't you know go through all this stuff um so it's a matter of people who can try to present information as clearly and concisely as possible and sometimes i succeed sometimes i fail and other people can pick up the ball on parts of it and do local activism i mean i i mean i think that there could be all kinds of opportunities to sort of meld the online world with the real world um you know you know put lawn signs up that you know debunk things and then post them online to encourage

other people to do the same thing or you know um i'm hoping to set up some projects where i sort of concisely put together information on papers like literally a pdf file and then people can pass it out in front of an institution especially i'm just outside of dc so imagine people you know flyering in effect in front of these institutions to including reaching the employees of the institutions half of whom don't know what the hell is actually going on in the building that they work to try to disseminate that information. It's, you know, it's a constant battle of, you know, trying to get information out and trying to get, you know, get some semblance, I hate to say reform, because I think that we need more than reforms, but

some kind of genuinely positive meaningful change yeah we need uh need people to wake up number one i'm imagining a lawn sign right now in this house we believe that the nih funded gate of function research oh that's brilliant that's brilliant that would be brilliant go you know i i really think that there's like money to be made on stuff like that you know um uh that would be that would because most of those lawn signs have disappeared you'll notice people people know they're not willing to acknowledge but at some level they know that they were conned you know um so i think something like that i'm so glad you said that uh something like that could take off uh you know can i you know if you go with that can i get a you know two percent cut or something yeah you know

we're thinking about spinning up a merch store we may need to add a lawn sign section to the store I've got some ideas that'd be great I know we have to wrap up here soon we only blocked off an hour but hopefully this is the first of many

conversations because there's many more rabbit holes I'd like to dive down with you Sam again I just want to thank you for the work you're doing hopefully this message gets out there and your work spreads to others and you can evade the shadow ban that elon has put on you because i think the work that you're doing again is extremely important and we need more of this information out there and most importantly i think that's one of the most impressive things

about a way in which you relay this information as you do it without fear and you're very straight to the point and you have your facts behind you and it's doesn't come off like some crazy conspiracy theory uh archetype that that many people try to thrust on you it's very logical and coherent and easy to follow which i think does a lot of people trying to get truth out their disservice when they get very passionate about it and aggressive and screaming at people i think doing it in a very uh sort of monotone not monotone but straightforward way following logic and reason i haven't had the conspiracy theory thing thrown at me that often that i can recall and i think i i hope that it's because i you know if anything i'm overly conservative

in terms of the information that i put out that is uh you know i mean my speculations i got to tell you are far more interesting than any that i generally hear from you know whatever groups that are actually engaging in conspiracy theories and so on but another thing interesting about that term is you know if you talk to people who follow corporate crime for that example they they they they ridicule the term i mean they're like of course there are conspiracies right you know uh you know what what uh you know what purdue pharma did with opioids that was you know you follow the paper trail that was a clear conspiracy it was a corporate conspiracy and as you alluded to the emails between fauci and farrar and gary and anderson

that constructed the pillar of propaganda, the Proximal Origins paper, that was effectively a conspiracy to defraud the public, to propagandize them into thinking that COVID couldn't have come out of a lab. Imagine if that information got out in early 2020. Imagine if the global public understood that this thing, that they're making me stay at home and I can't even go and hug my mother you know uh that this thing came out of a lab who are these sons of and how the hell do i beat the crap out of them that would have been the question on most of the people in the planet's mind and they deceive the public and so i'm saying there's got to be some modicum of accountability now finally before the next one yeah i saw your your recent tweet free palestine

uh jl fauci the rest is a footnote yeah you know i mean that partially came out of a frustration between the you know um the people around who are supporting robert kennedy and the people who are supporting uh uh cornell west you know that they they each get sort of half the equation and a lot of my work has been in trying to get different parts of the anti-establishment you know i would say like you know i used to from kucinich to ron paul they agree on so many things to get different parts of the establishment working together and what we're seeing now with the kennedy and cornell west campaigns is the further fragmentation of people in the anti-establishment i think that's exactly what we don't need and i'm disappointed in both of those

camps right now so i hope that they will change as quickly as possible yeah and that's not to pump around bags here but that's this podcast is mainly a bitcoin podcast that's one of the reasons why we talk a lot about bitcoin try to educate about bitcoin because we think it's one of these tools that um could both sides of that fragmentation could agree is is good it takes money out of the power of the state and the banking sector gives it back to individuals um and that's part of the main thing we do here but we've expanded tftc stands for truth for the commoner and so expanding it behind beyond excuse me uh the monetary aspect of bitcoin and into other areas like the ones that you cover i think it's important i will try to tune in and learn some more i know very little

about that thank you so much thank you thank you sam have a great night peace and love freaks Thanks for watching!