TFTC: A Bitcoin Podcast - #500: Investigating Fiat Food with Matthew Lysiak

Episode Date: April 23, 2024

Marty sits down with Matthew Lysiak to discuss his new book, Fiat Food. Matthew on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Matthewlysiak Buy Fiat Food: https://academy.saifedean.com/product/fiat-food-hardcover/ 0:00 - Intro 5:05 - Mass shootings and mental illness 9:58 - Origins of Fiat Food and The Saif House 15:04 - 7th Day Adventists and Kellogg 19:37 - How 1971 corrupted science 32:06 - Gradually, Then Suddenly 32:45 - Legacy media distortion 42:21 - Environmental guilt 48:48 - Heart health psyop and food pyramid 1:00:21 - Friends of the money printer 1:06:25 - Covid and food as methods of control 1:20:35 - Media defection 1:27:39 - Modern obesity 1:31:12 - Reception of the book 1:37:24 - Book plug Shoutout to our sponsors: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠River⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Unchained⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Zaprite⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Bitcoin Talent Co⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Gradually, Then Suddenly⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TFTC Merch is Available: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Shop Now⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join the TFTC Movement: Main ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YT Channel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Clips ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YT Channel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Marty Bent: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Podcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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Yeah. After decades of chasing crime and reporting news and being in the heart of the beast, so to say, I wanted the opposite. I grew up in rural life, and I wanted to return to it to raise my kids. What was it like working for the New York Daily News? It was intense, nonstop intensity. My job specifically was the national reporter. So anytime anything major broke across the country, I'd have a bag packed, hit the next flight, get going.

And the adrenaline, you feel, is absolutely hard to describe because it's nonstop and you're experiencing the most intense moments of people's life on a continual basis but there's a time span on that because you can't keep there's you can only do it for so long until you start almost feeling numb to it in a weird way and if you're not sincere in what you're doing it it's hard to be excellent yeah and so what were some of the more intense beats that your stories that you covered particularly i covered every mass shooting uh from um 2012 from 2005 to 2014 um and i dealt with a lot of grief i wrote a book on newtown for simon and schuster on the sandy hook tragedy i'm still in touch with some of the parents

yeah it was very intense um you know when you go to a child's funeral it leaves an imprint on you and a lot of my my formative journalism years in new york city were spent trying to understand the motive of mass shootings which would often come down to mental illness and one of the frustrations was the way the media landscape worked was narratives would be kind of crafted from both the political left and the political right and they wanted so i'd go on fox news or msnbc or cnn or good morning america and either you have two and a half minutes to three minutes to deliver like a spot and you'd find how the host would always try to guide you to talk about guns and nobody really wanted to discuss mental illness which was the defining characteristic of

all these shooters they weren't just a little bit sick they were extremely mentally ill with the exception of fort hood's major nadal hassan who um was not mentally ill he he had a viewpoint on the war that was happening in the middle east that's why he conducted a shooting but the rest of them were i mean they weren't just like eccentric people they were very very very sick and that i listened to the no gender podcast with um adam curry and john devorek and i've been listening probably five years and they'll bring up mass shootings uh from time to time and the one thing not only the mental illness how much do you think like the ssris play into it as well oh that's a great point yeah definitely a lot of these people even though they're deceased and it should be

public information it's not known how many and what kind of medication so in the case of adam lanza he was on medications and the link between that is not you know you won't find a lot of of science on it because it's not funded there's a reason for that yeah and that's part of the narrative and how it's crafted there isn't this public outcry for real answers in that realm which would provide the only tangible way to prevent the next shooting because these gun laws don't these gun restrictions don't prevent any they not i i mean i i always talk to advocates on this issue because i still get a lot of emails and requests to speak about mass shootings in newtown but you can't none of the laws that are being proposed would have changed the last 12 mass

shootings they just wanted to no that's i don't want to say i feel passionate about but every time it comes up it does perplex me i'm like we should be focusing on the ssri side of this because you watch the commercials for these pharmaceuticals and it's like side effects are could cause depression suicidal thoughts but if you say it fast enough at the end of the commercial while there's like a fuzzy dog jumping on a ball on a trampoline you don't really notice no it's like you know usage of this might cause you to kill your family and yourself but and we move on well i mean it's uh not the segway i thought we would jump into the book with but it is a good one because why are people taking the ssris why are people depressed diet food has a lot to go

into that and one of the ways that experience uncovering crime and finding motive and dealing with these mass shootings prepared me for this work was because they're like the mass shootings there's a very severe narrative being pushed on food and nutrition and i think it provided me the insight and the tools to be able to really see through the narrative and find the effective routes to access the information needed to to to really cast what is true is best to my ability and i feel like fiat food accomplished that yeah and we were talking about um outside the studio the um motivation the inspiration for fiat food the fiat standard chapter eight what about that chapter particularly stuck out to you during covid i i was always very i i've you know i've

interviewed presidents and senators and congressmen and governors and i've always been skeptical of power centers and during covid um it really jumped the shark because i understood the politicians lied they do all the time but there's generally to their best interest i'd assumed rationally most of the time but covid it was kind of like they weren't even really pretending to have our best interests at heart that the masks were off and it led me down a rabbit hole where I began questioning you know a lot of I'm not a conspiracy theorist I I've I grew up believing in a lot of our American institutions um COVID changed me in that way where it was clear that our leaders and authorities in government they did not have our best interests of the American people at heart

And it sent me down into currency, shockingly. I kind of nerd out over money sometimes and economics. I have a peripheral interest in it. And it led me to Bitcoin Standard by Seyfedina Moose, which I enjoyed. But it was the fiat standard that I really took to. And in particular, chapter eight, a chapter he wrote called Fiat Food. And it's a very short chapter. And in it, he makes what appear to be just these ridiculous arguments that our food system in America has been hijacked by corporate enterprises looking to profit, a weird religious group hoping to avert the end of days, and a government hoping to obscure the cost of monetary inflation.

and all these things he claimed come together to ruin our food supply. So I read this chapter, and I respect the shit out of Saifedean as an economist, but I'm like, he's not a reporter? What is this? He's not a nutritionist? I was like, what the hell is going on in this chapter? So I kind of put my reporter hat on, and I began fact-checking almost neurotically this chapter. And what I discovered blew my mind because not only had Saif been correct, but I would argue when I do my book, he understated it severely.

And I immediately couldn't stop thinking about it. I became obsessed and I contacted Saif personally and I said, look, here's who I am. Here's what I do. This deserves a book. I'm the person who should write it. I'm somebody who's published with major publishing houses. I've published with Simon & Schuster, HarperCollins, Scholastic. However, no publishing house is going to take this.

It won't. You publish a book conventionally. It goes through lawyers and, you know, it goes through 20 different editors. And they're not going to let this see the day of light. Like, I want to do this. We don't even shouldn't. I literally said you should start your own publishing house. And he told me that he had been thinking about that already.

So it was a real synergy. He was thinking of launching his own publishing house. and I became his first author, which was a real honor. And a year later, countless hours of FOIA requests, and out comes Fiat Food. Yeah. So what was the thing that stuck out to you in Chapter 8 the most, where you're like, ah, this has to be bullshit?

I think it was how nutrition science had been corrupted to the extent that it had, where essentially we're living in a 50 year psyop, whereas with Ansel Keys at the middle of it, and I try to write this narratively because as a crime reporter, I like things to go sequentially in an order. And what I discovered was it is true. So you have this extremely bizarre kind of obscure in the beginning of the 19th century religious movement called the Seventh Day Adventists who came from the Miller movement. And it was started by a woman named Ellen G. White, who's walking home from school one day and gets hit in the head with a rock. She wakes up from a small coma, blood everywhere. But to her surprise, God is now speaking to her. And God says, Ellen, the end of days are coming. You need to warn people.

You're my messenger. And the way to purify bodies, the way to avert the end of days is to thwart the carnal desires of young men and women. You need to suppress that because these carnal desires, sex drive, leads to not only every health malady you could think of, but it warps your soul. So she and the church became messengers that meat, especially red meat, which they believed correctly, by the way, brought on these carnal desires. They believe that by changing the meat, by making people, having people eat grains instead of meat, that it'll purify body and soul.

and to do this they needed to change the american diet and at the time americans ate nothing like they eat meat for breakfast lunch and dinner if they could afford it they couldn't that was when they would eat grains or other food ellen hired somebody named a protege of hers john harvey kellogg who she met as a young man he grew up in the church he was a vegetarian and she tasked him with coming up with a food that would substitute eggs and bacon and steak for breakfast and that's how he came up with Kellogg's Corn Flakes and just to give you a little bit of insight on what kind of man John Harvey Kellogg was he was a real sociopath uh he was it's kind of hard to overstate his influence

at the time he was a celebrity doctor of the day so he gave speeches and writing a very charismatic character would walk around and dress from head to toe in a white suit with a cockatoo on his shoulder he'd break out into spontaneous song but as advice to parents who feared that their children were masturbating he suggested in the case of women pouring carbolic acid on their clitorises having surgery on young boys without anesthesia so that they muscle memory would associate cages this is the kind of man he was after he left the church years later because he discovered ellen white like almost all vegans ellen was eating meat uh she got caught eating fried chicken um the chef at the place where they all worked was very concerned about this and i was

able to access letters from him uh that played this out but john harvey kellogg stayed in character. After he left the church, he became a eugenicist in Michigan and through his wealth was able to push for, to remove the reproductive organs and sterilize over 3,100 women who he found undesirable, who were mental deviants, whatever that meant for the time. And so I'm talking about the church. I'm talking about the Seventh-day Adventist day church and people might be like, well, what does that have to do with nutrition? Seventh-day Adventist church, John Harvey Kellogg had a protege named Leanna Cooper

who started the American Dietetic Association. That became firmly entrenched in government as nutrition policy. This is all pre-1970, so this is all a growing movement. And it's still, come 1970, Americans are still primarily eating meat. but what happened on as i'm sure most of your audience knows on august 15th 1971 richard nixon decoupled from gold so up until that point american citizens couldn't redeem their promissory

notes i feel weird calling it a promissory note because the promise is broken but federal federal um foreign banks still could so it provided a powerful restraint on printing of dollars. Nixon was confronted with something horrible. It wasn't entirely his fault, but there were far more promissory notes that were issued than we had gold in our reserves. So we had perpetuated a fraud, and all it would have taken was a few countries at the same time trying to redeem their promissory notes for us to be exposed as to liars we were, much like the Bank of England in 1914, done the same thing, which led to the creation of fiat, which Saifuddin really examines closely in the fiat standard um but on august 15 1971 when he did that

he you know the american government had kind of a choice to make and it would be to just tell the american people look we're going to print a shitload of currency we're going to flood the market with dollars and as a result things that you buy are going to go up and they chose a different route which was to try to hide the inflationary theft of their citizenry through changing the food supply and why the food supply um give you an example um um nixon had a a department of agriculture secretary named earl butts a real piece of shit and he would he would talk about um how housewives they buy a sofa maybe once every 10 years so they don't really notice the price rise but food food prices rising is something that

governments have long known leads to political instability and i outline this quite extensively in my book when food prices go very high people riot people tolerate endless wars people tolerate government corruption. But when the price of food goes up, it's not good for the retainment of political power. I'll point to 12,500 food and energy related riots in Europe in 2005 to 2007. And then even more recently in 2022, this wasn't quite covered accurately, but the riots and protests in Sri Lanka were the result of the rising price of food especially red meat eggs and milk and that led to hundreds of thousands of people storming the palace and the Sri Lankan government having to flee so governments are very sensitive to the

cost of rising food but what they decided to do rather stealthily and I would argue successfully was through a series of subsidies to the corn soy sugar industries and tilting the fiat not table towards bullshit nutrition studies they were able to sign up the american public into believing that the food that they had been eating for thousands of years basically animal-based products dairy they people ate fruit if they found it in season you know if a bear hadn't got into it or maybe a little honey but people and weren't were eating tons of leaf green vegetables and things they were they were eating meat if they could find it but to sign up the american people to believe that the diet they've been eating for

thousands of years in which they've evolved has actually been bad for them and that a much cheaper food supply was in their best interest and what you see happening at this point which I outline in my book is all this funding start going towards these different groups. So now the church, Seventh Day Adventist Church, which is sort of still looked at in the public as more of a curiosity, even though they're a growing movement, they're getting millions and millions of dollars of fiat currency pushed their way through, in particular, a university called at Lowell Belinda University in California, where I'm guessing a lot of your audience

is exposed to a lot of studies that come out of Lowell Belinda University, which say meat is bad. You come up with an ailment, cancer, hemorrhoids, blurry vision, meat causes X, hundreds of these studies. Almost all of them exclusively come from Lowell Belinda University, which is run by the Seventh-day Adventist Church,

which doesn't conduct real, they're not real studies. They're observational studies. So observational studies are equivalent of handing out flyers, really. It's like, I could say, I took a study and 94% of people who have cancer have at one point drank milk. Headline, cancer linked to milk consumption.

Observational study. A real scientist will explain, I've spoken to so many for this book that random, you want random controlled studies where variables can be controlled because then you could actually make causal, present causal relationships where observational studies can only give you association. It's not science. It's very easily manipulated. So you can take basically any subject and make it, I mean, I saw one recently from level at university that was meat causes diabetes, but forget that, you know, glucose and meat it's, it's nonsensical, but they're not, what I also learned is

like, they're not trying to impress other scientists, they're trying to make headlines for people because most people are working and they don't have time to go through the actual study. Right. So they see the headline, right? This is insane. Um, and the other player was, was industry, which profits far more from selling you doritos which they can print at scale almost like fiat paper

then they can raising meats which is time intensive government soaks it all in because at the end of it all their mission is to stay in power and retain power and if they can convince you that food is actually affordable then their chances at retaining power have increased in reality the food is still cheap but the nutrients required for species specific humans has increased considerably i i outlined this so like red meat is becoming increasingly a food of the upper upper classes and whereas in the past obesity was associated with affluence and abundance now it's a sign of poverty not of wealth necessarily but of the body's nutrients and it didn't take a giant conspiracy for all this to happen so there was no evidence that

there was ever like a smoky room where these groups got together it just was in everybody's best interest and when fiat came along it tilted the tables to such an extent because what you have in fiat is really the most i would argue the most powerful tool in human history because in in the fiat money printer you have a you have a weapon that you can weaponize the entire productive labor of not just america but since the brettonwood brettonwood's agreement of 1944 where a lot of free world agreed to base their currency on the dollar we're weaponizing the entire world's product of labor and there when you aim it at something it's hard to look away yeah and so when it comes to fiat food again going back to the idea that there's no smoky room with people

making decisions you essentially had nixon ripping us off the gold standard which presented a problem Which was if women who are shopping week in week out at the grocery stores see that food prices are going up, there's going to be political unrest. And so we need to utilize this religious group effectively in their studies to convince people to eat cheaper food so we don't have that problem. That was definitely one of the elements. I mean, in the early 1900s, there was no government food policy. You know why? Because people didn't need me on a podcast. They didn't need Sean Baker.

They knew what to eat. Like a lion knew what to eat, and a wolf knew what to eat, and a chinchilla knew what to eat. But there's been a lot of confusion that was intentional. They did that with intent. They caused it because they muddied the waters. And another example would be a, what I would consider an intellectual prostitute by the name of Frederick Stare, who started the Harvard Nutrition Foundation. So under the name, the prestigious name of Harvard, this bastard went about telling people that sugar was good for them. A Coke every day was a healthy in-between meal snack, he would say.

He was funded completely by industry. In his own book, he talked about getting a million dollars to start a magazine from Kellogg's. And these cereal companies funded him exclusively. He would talk about how red dye was really good for you. And this came under the name of Harvard. So when you'd push, there was a man who tried to warn under Nixon later, he went into private life and he tried to, he went to Congress and he tried to warn people about these cereals. Like these cereals are packed of sugar and they're changing the children's taste buds. Now kids are demanding everything be sweet and they approached Daron to rebuke him and Daron came on and was like, no, no, no.

Sugar cereals are so much healthier than bacon and eggs. and things have not changed um you'll get to tufts food compass okay that's the leading are you aware of no okay so that's the leading indicator of health right now and these you have nutritionists who spent years from tufts university with all these great degrees danush musafaran is the head of the the scientists studying these and they concluded after years of rigorous study that fruit loops are much healthier for you than eggs and red meat almond chocolate almond milk is better for you than whole milk and uh i think it's cinnamon toast cereal bars are healthier for you than then then you know then then red meat and

all it's it's amazing but when you go on to their website and you pull up pull up their papers you see why who their partners are their partners are pepsico dannon all these corporate interests they're paymasters and you see the synergy of how these groups come together in january of 2023 when you have Dr. Fatima Stanford from up here on 60 Minutes and talk about obesity being not from lifestyle, but a genetic brain disorder. People were not responsible.

And then referring people who have obesity not to change their lifestyle, but to take Ozempic. By the way, that same episode was funded by Ozempic. It's the main sponsor. um and then you see the tufts food pyramid come out that same month saying that processed cereal grains are healthier for you than eggs fruit loops are healthier for you than then i mean healthier for you than than eggs and bacon and meat and uh a few months later the american

pediatric association for the first time changed their guidelines on obesity to say that children as young as 11 should be getting ozempic so i can sit back and think i didn't find in my research any connection between all of them outwardly, but I think I'd be naive to think that this wasn't planned, right? Like that there wasn't some kind of rollout. This was a marketing campaign. And I think that's what your audience needs to understand is that when they're looking at food science now,

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funding for incumbent media has basically become like we need to partner with somebody in the pharma industry is somebody in the food industry to pay for ads and a lot of these reports like the 60 minutes interviews they're essentially just paid spots native advertising you're spot on and that's why um you know my first books i would do i would go on cnn and fox news and good morning america and today's show and i talk about my books um you think any of them would have me on today talking about this book no i know these i know these people too like some of them are friends of mine these producers uh what you're doing what uh joe rogan and safe and sean baker i mean that's the new media this is it and it's you're that's why you're growing yeah and i think

it's beautiful it's just a decentralization of thought well we need to get the messages that it's beautiful and it's important and i do think it's very prominent but for some reason or the the incumbent media still has this prestige and people take most people take what they're saying like oh it's the truth do they i don't know maybe you talk in different circles than me i don't the npcs the normies if you will like ozempic's a big thing right now like i have to tell some family members like oh i'm just gonna go to ozempic i'm like please do not do this i'm sorry to hear that this is uh this is a dangerous drug and in two years they'll pull that but in the meantime they have made 18 billion dollars and you know they'll have a new drug that will take two years for them

to pull that and the cycle will continue yeah i i i mean you're right i guess it goes more into the civil war that we're in right now and i i think that we'll look back at this time period in the future and think wow we were is the civil war of ideologies and one of the blessings i think that happened during the period of covet is a lot of the people i was friends with who had faith in authority and faith and credentials are thinking about things very differently now from the left and from the right you see it in the rise of somebody like rfk jr whose ideas just a few years ago to be considered very out of the mainstream but he's gaining momentum and i think that i think it's beautiful in the sense that health our physical health pre-supposes our

ability to really be an active independent human and it's all really connected in that way and if they can get us dependent whether it be on grains and food and then we're metabolically compromised because we're addicted to sugar and we're unwell then we're really kind of fodder for anything they're going to throw at us but you see this through the department of agriculture's war for instance on raw milk i do a lot of stories on a man named amos miller who lives he's a amish guy in pennsylvania and they're assaulting him they did armed government raids just today i did a story or i worked on a story earlier this morning on two gentlemen who they're being uh they're in jail they've been in jail for almost 10 days now because they're providing i feel silly

they were finding illegal ultrasounds to cows of dairy farmers yeah they're in jail and they they went in in in early morning hours to a family's house and they accidentally went into the kids room first they scared the shit out of these children their parents or dads in jail so there's a real war being waged and i bring that up because it's connected because the usda is captured by industry right now so why are they against raw milk producers it's not because they want us to be unhealthy it's because that's just a consequence because they really view the american people as a means to an end it's because their donors the people who pay the usda and it's not a conspiracy just look it up i outlined it in my book it's on their own website their partners

are the big food corporations so they want to weed out the small guy well it's similar to the federal reserve where you hear the federal reserve like oh that's part of the government uh it's not similar with the usda which is part of the government but it's funded by private interests exactly yeah cartel bankers run you know it's like a cartel bankers they make these decisions and um but what there's pushback happening now which i'm very appreciative of and you can see it my eyes are opening and in ways i didn't know i mean i've been carnivore uh i have cheat you know i i'm not always as carnivore as i should be but about two years now and i've never felt better you look great thanks man yeah no amos miller is something

because i'm from philadelphia and obviously have a good understanding of lancaster county big fan of reading terminal in philadelphia where the amish would come in and uh bring their their baked goods and the other stuff that they were they were growing out and uh cooking out in lancaster we actually had chris hume on from the lancaster yeah okay cool i know chris i've touched base with him a few times right after the raid and i think amos's story is particularly interesting for two reasons number one um he's run his business for many years and had a lot of success and people love his food and it's um a consensual contract between him and his customers that's been going on for some time i mean they're clinging to that one listeria case that woman in

florida who had this again i think it's an observational like association thing where she had drank uh the raw milk which raw milk in and of itself is another psyop it's just milk and it was until it's milk that hasn't been cooked so it's healthy and we drank it that way for millennia up until about a century ago i still i still i drink about a half gallon every day yeah that's what the beauty of living in austin is we have uh very easy access to raw milk my boys love it um that's my protein shake i do raw milk a few raw eggs some raw honey that's what i drink unpublicized are all the cases of people get sick from cooked milk yeah which i mean the reason corporations don't want raw milk i had it explained to me was just how um you could treat

your cow like complete shit the cow can eat its own shit none of it matters you cook the milk and a raw milk farmer and i recommend your audience get to know one get to know the farmer get to know the cows they have to take really nice care of their cow or else the milk doesn't meet the standards um so i feel really blessed that in arizona i have uh i have a raw milk farmer who i meet up once a week at a farmer's market we make the transaction but it's all connected and into currency and the reason this is a safe published this and this is why it's important to save it in as well and it's under his publishing house is is because the reason bitcoin ties into this is because not it doesn't have to be bitcoin at any hard currency if it was

adopted i just happen to think bitcoin's by far the most effective one from what i can understand of it, is that when you end the Fed, is you have to understand that the Fed, which I know you do, is the reason that these distortions need to be created. So every time you buy a little Bitcoin with your fiat, you're taking a knife into the Fed and doing a little jab. And if you end a Fed, you end the reason for the distortions. And then there are no more distortions. There's no incentive to manipulate the money supply

to hide inflation when there's no monetary inflation. And people, including the lower economic stratums, will be able then to afford the nutrients essential for life. And the consequences and ripple effects of that are impossible to overstate. Yeah, I mean, what you were mentioning earlier about beef becoming a high-class good because of all these distortions in the market.

With fiat food, we have these distortions in the market because the government and the central banks are able to print money or issue debt and then give it to corn farmers to subsidize the production of high fructose corn syrup, which then lowers the cost of these goods, which are worse for you nutritionally. and then that's in the pricing signal to the market like a we should be growing and distributing this food versus ranching beef and so now because of that price distortion the incentive to actually bring quality beef to market has been uh perturbed made it's been made harder to do so and now we have a situation where the head of cattle that we have in the u.s is at the lowest it's been since the 1970s i think yeah and your audience should understand that this war is only beginning on food and it's only going to increase it's only in the beginning stages um so one of the interesting things that i learned was the seventh day adventist churches teamed up teamed up us it's a

bad term to use they haven't formally teamed up they've embraced and kind of colluded with the environmental movement so throughout the last hundred years the tool that they use to try to get people away from me has always been their own guilt that's what i've noticed it's you know don't eat me it started out don't eat me because um you know your body and your soul are going to be bad and then it changed and kind of evolved to in the 70s uh there was a book called the population bomb by probably like the worst forecaster like the the reverse nostradamus like you're familiar with him yeah yes everything he said was was dumb and demonstrably false but you'll find him still being referenced today it's absolutely amazing but he released this book and

in the 70s it kind of the argument evolved from spiritual to more meat is a lot of resources so save the earth because there's too many people and they're gonna eat all the food up so don't eat meat and now it's evolved to meat being like so now obviously we're losing people because partially in part because john harvey kellogg's ability to get us to eat meat did in fact lower fertility rates i mean to get us to eat all these grains the our fertility rates are going down people are not having so many kids but now they've it's evolved to like your consumption of meat is now a temperature gauge on the earth and in new york city just last year mayor adams had a press conference mayor eric adams also claimed he was a vegan also got exposed for

eating meat um i didn't know that oh yeah i knew he was vegan i didn't know he got caught he's not a these people it's all it's vegan vegan publicly but he got busted he's admitted it he's well yeah i know it's i have to eat me he's a human like of course you know and then it's funny because you know they all beat themselves up over it all this guilt they feel but now you know eating meat's a temperature gauge on the earth and temperature it's global warming's kind of adopted it and you know i humans have always done this thing where we've like blamed our behavior for the weather you know in the 1600s we would burn eccentric women when we didn't get enough precipitation for the crops and there's human sacrifice before that we still do this it's

just a little more sophisticated and in the sense of new york we sacrifice our children with uh meatless mondays for schools and there's meatless fridays i think but they're going to expand it and they're taking it out really on the school children but i guess i wanted to say that so your audience is prepared um in the recent omnibus bill passed by congress there was 105 million dollars delegated towards something called electric electronic cattle livestock tracking i spoke to congressman thomas massey about this who owns dairy cows and he was explaining to me that this is going to be used to monitor the livestock to in the end be weaponized to control meat consumption and that's terrifying well it's multifaceted it's not only that it's

also a way to impose cost on smaller ranchers that they cannot afford and so just to push them out of the market where it's if you don't comply and tag your cattle with this electronic tracker you can't you can't ranch anymore you can't bring your product to market and so they're yeah exactly it's always toward to the benefit of them but yeah i mean and it's it's only beginning i mean they're they haven't even implemented it yet but you see this in in places in europe like in ireland where they've used methods like this already where they say it's not going to be implemented for this reason but it has been in the name of climate yeah but just remember if you're eating nothing but cereal and and doritos you don't notice inflation rising in that realm

you're happy with your government you think oh my gosh i mean i could go buy a giant box of cereal that feeds me all day for three dollars and 95 cents go to buy ribeye it's very different and one of the things i i have to deal with when i talk to people about my diet is they're like i would love to just do what you're doing but it's so expensive and um you can get ground beef still there still are ways to get it but it's difficult it's hard yeah it is um no i feel it yeah like we try to eat as much beef and eggs as possible and do it in a way where we're getting it from local ranchers and not the grocery store as much i mean obviously we're not perfect buy steaks from Whole Foods H-E-B

quite often but we're lucky we have local pastures here. That's what we try to get most of our beef and eggs and milk. Nice. It is not. You get raw milk? Yes. Isn't it great? It is. It's so amazing. It's so much sweeter. Yeah but the corporations

don't like it. It takes a lot of work for the cows and you know it's very difficult for them to deal with this. They want to cook your milk and burn everything and then give you the bloody pus. Yeah. yeah it is uh once you have because i fell for the side of raw milk i was like oh we can't drink raw milk i'm gonna get listeria that's crazy i'm gonna yeah die and then uh the last few years we've been buying it like the first sip of raw milk compared to uh hyper pasteurized stuff that i

drank growing up it's like holy shit this is completely different i i had to take raw milk and i play a lot of basketball weekly i have a tournament at my house i have a little court and a lot of high school kids come and there's one kid named jose shout out to jose he's just very big and he pushes my ass around everywhere and during carnivore i lost too much weight i introduced the raw milk and i was able to put more weight on so i drink the raw milk also relieves my sugar cravings yeah no it's like because i don't want to be in ketosis for years of my life right i don't think that's really healthy i'm not sure i guess i defer to the health experts on that but the raw milk's been very helpful to just maintain what i consider a

a healthy weight for myself yeah that's um that's one thing yeah again going back to like the protein shakes i don't want to like buy the powdered crap from gmc or whatever yeah filled with a bunch of shit i'd rather do raw eggs raw milk one thing i didn't mention um on the corporate side that i just would like to share with your audience is that it isn't just that they have a they have an interest in in in the profit the profit margin on like doritos is far higher than it is on um you know meat but they they also manipulated these studies so a lot of the studies a lot of the reasons that we believe that saturated meat saturated fat found in red meat causes a rise in cholesterol which then causes heart problems comes from corporate funded

studies by the sugar industry towards Ancel Keys. Ancel Keys didn't need the sugar industry to do this. He was a very motivated man. He was a scientist in the 50s and the 60s, but he wasn't a nutritionist and he wasn't a heart doctor. And, you know, he had this theory, the saturated fat found in meat caused a rise in cholesterol, which caused heart attacks. And in the 50s, everybody was really worried about heart attacks after, especially Eisenhower had a heart attack in 51 out 10 days people were very scared because it's kind of like a nightmare the silent killer they call it right everybody was racing to find an answer and at the time people smoked there's competing theories smoke and all these different high stress types what's another theory and so

key's theory was never proven and people other scientists like john yudkin from great britain proposed sugar there's a higher correlation to sugar but these were all as we were saying observational studies but ansel keys was like you know what in 1968 we're going to do something we're going to do a randomized control study called the minnesota coronary survey 1968 to 1973 happening in about a dozen nursing homes and mental institutions in minnesota where all the variables could be controlled so they could really establish a causal relationship so they do the study uh 1968 comes 1973 comes the study's over nobody talks about the study doesn't come out years pass nobody knows what happened to this multi-million dollar government

funded study so finally hat tip to the new york times occasionally they do a good story very rare but happens i've worked for them in the past so i can say this um they uh were like what happened to that study this is in 2016 decades later somebody from their department was like what happened to that study they were able to find ansel keys was already dead another researcher a guy named ivan they found his son like what happened to this study and the son looked in the basement of the house and found boxes of the minnesota labeled minnesota coronary surgery opens it up to their shock the study results showed that higher cholesterol rates were associated with better health health outcomes lower cholesterol rates were associated with

worse health outcomes in terms of mortality and one of the researchers who worked on the study was asked by journalist gary taubes who's done fantastic work in this field why didn't you ever publish it and he said there was nothing wrong with the study but quote we were just so disappointed in the results now this was diabolical because this completely in the only real study that determined that tested in a causal way the heart health hypothesis it it showed that it not only wasn't true but it was unhealthy imagine if this would have come out before the 1992 food pyramid came out which told us to eat 8 to 11 helpings of grains this is why i want to tell your audience that this was intentional this wasn't an accident they knew the information they knew we'd be sick

if you go to walmart in any place in american look in line you'll see the sickness of the people and it's only partially their fault because they've been given the wrong information they've been psyoped they've been gaslit yeah and it's the ramifications of this are massive and i'm thinking like when you're talking about cereal earlier like i was born in 91 i'm a 90s kid and i think we got the brunt of this cereal psyop which is like i remember growing up fruity pebbles fruit loops uh crispy the cookie crisp uh like dude a fucking cereal called cookie crisp yeah cookie crisp it was awesome uh yeah chocolate um puffs whatever reese's puffs cinnamon toast crunch like i was a cinnamon toast crunch guy we were inundated with all the cereal propaganda on

nickelodeon in the 90s that's what we're like mom dad we need all these cereals and they were cheap they're like all right and it says healthy they're healthy for us yeah and it's so funny looking back it was like the 90s it was like cereal for breakfast candy was fun dip where you literally take a stick lick it and dip it in sugar put it in your mouth and with our skim milk because you know we we wanted such we didn't our cooked skim milk yeah dude it was it was really insane we we took because in 1980 the first food guidelines came out and they were relatively modest they were insidious because they were eat less meat it was always eat less meat eat more grains but it didn't give exact portions to its credit 1992 changed that the food pyramid changed that and you

remember like i did i grew up in the 90s where every pizza place and sub shop had the picture of it because it was like an advertisement for him um i ate so much of that shit i can't even tell you and aceto i mean i ate so much of it and then when i turned 16 i got cancer oh shit yeah i And I remember laying in my hospital bed, asking my doctor, I'm like, what, how did I do this? Like, what happened? I remember him saying, oh, something you did, um, genetics or something. We don't really know how cancers cost.

Well, I intuitively knew I had done something wrong to my body. I consumed a lot of seed oils and sugar and really terrible foods. Um, so when I look back, I think what's more surprising is that I wasn't even sicker or that so many other kids were able to maybe have a little genetic privilege as I would call it and, and, and be able to sustain a diet like that. But, um, I find, I guess what I really want to emphasize is that this was intentional. Like they knew the information was out there and they did it anyways to people. what do you think it was more to control or to hide the inflation to hide it because they can't

control it because inflation exists right so when the usda put out these guidelines and i get that some people in your your audience might be like oh it's the government who gives a shit what the government says about food well keep in mind when the usda pushes out these guidelines it becomes the law of the land in every public school in the country every prison system every hospital every nursing home so i go to school from you know first grade to i dropped out of high school so i you know i got through my junior year but um i was on a diet that by the time i came out of it i was metabolically compromised by the state yeah and i sometimes think about i do these thought experiments where i try to think about what you think about like the wright brothers and how

much bravery intellectually must have taken to even try to do what they did or Edison would they have done these gifts with a public school diet of cinnamon toast crunch bars would they have had the mental gumption and independence to do these things and then it makes me think about

all the gifts we're losing now when you look at these fat flabby kids who can't run down a soccer field well it's and the problem gets worse the further you fall down the economic ladder so this is something i saw up close and personal in chicago when i was living there i volunteered and helped run an inner city lacrosse program where we go to the west side and south side of

chicago to um have the kids get off the streets and play a sport and what we focused on was lacrosse and that was the jarring thing to me is like these schools that we would go to they were in food deserts and so um the guy who ran the program sam angelotta he would basically tell me like the day of the life of these kids which is um you're in a broken home typically living with your aunt and your or your mother and your grandmother um and then you go to school and breakfast it's not made at home you stop at the gas station you get a honey bun then you go into school then you have a multitude of factors creating a terrible environment for children to learn let alone to succeed and it's the food and the broken home life that really just creates this environment

where it's literally impossible for most of these kids to ever have success long in life and the food aspect of it too think about how much it fucks up your mind if you're starting your day every day with a honey bun and a dollar sugar drink from from the gas station you're just hyperactive do you feel it personally when you oh yeah yeah yeah me too yeah i think when i was younger i could stomach it more you know because you're so much energy but as i got older i noticed i couldn't write as well if i eat like a piece of shit i can't if i eat carbs i can't even little things like when i'm transferring notes i can't remember as much from one side to bring to my computer i it's like goes from one sentence now i can remember three and a half it's like my mind's

getting younger and more flexible the longer i persist on getting the nutrients i need yeah that was the one thing one of the biggest dietary changes i ever made in my life was my early 20s i think it was 20 or 21 like again i was psyoped into thinking that gatorade was a healthy oh my god me too yeah like hydrated you i mean michael jordan drank it he was awesome yeah and so that was like throughout college that's like i would drink gatorade um and that was like my drink of choice i'd be like huh i don't need water i need the electrolytes of gatorade um and i don't know what it was particularly but at some point i was like i don't think this is good for me i think just looking at the sugar i was like this is too much sugar so i get gatorade and sugary drinks and

went to a liquid diet of uh water coffee um and alcohol from time to time but um cutting Gatorade out. I had severe eczema my whole life and it went away. I haven't had it in over a decade. I'm pretty sure it's because I cut out the sugary drinks. The incestuousness of government food

is the government food control, control the food supply. Nina Tijols has done great work in this field. She wrote a book called The Big Fat Surprise. I'd recommend everybody reads it. It really exposes a lot of the corruption and the science behind this.

And she discovered that 95% of the people on the USDA Food Guidelines Committee are industry hacks. And they're the ones coming up with this data. And it's not real science. It's marketing. And I can't emphasize that enough. You don't need these idiots to tell you what to eat. I sometimes think about these people who spend their life as nutritionists and spend years researching it. and conclude that Froot Loops are better than me.

I can't. Your life is a failure. Your whole life is a failure if you spend years on that and come out with that conclusion. And I want these people to look in the mirror. Dr. Cody Fatima Stanford, who's very articulate in her white coat, appearing on 60 Minutes saying that obesity has nothing to do with lifestyle. You're a hack.

You're a hack, and you're vile because you're damaging people. because what you're doing is you're separating people from, I think one of the most fundamental parts of existence, which is control over our own health. You want us to outsource control over our health to you and the pharmaceutical companies. No, no. And it's, it's laughable. Like now sitting here thinking about Fruit Loops, Fruit Loops is like the perfect example because it's literal like cardboard shit with sugar in it. It's delicious too. It is. Well, that's the other thing they literally like you talking about it actually that's the thing it's an addictive substance i'm like man i really could go for a bowl of fruit loops right now why is it an addictive

substance they literally manufacture the addictive nature of it hyper palatable yeah yeah they have these scientists that that's the other thing you can talk about the corruption of fiat incentives to go like why don't we have the right brothers these days like why there's so few like actual innovators um in the physical world why aren't we building great things why is all the architecture or shit um had an argument with my daughter about this last night she's like things are better fast i'm like no no no fastest airplane was like thinking the 70s yeah like we're our new things now are really just plus ones we're adding on to existing technologies and it's breaking down i mean yeah and so the point i'm trying to like the fiat has corrupted everything we're like the people

who are really smart and could do great things like the incentives are such for the high paying jobs are you're either quantum wall street or on the science side you're figuring out ways to make people more addicted to food friend of the fiat money printer full of the money fiat printer john yudkin experience full of the money money printer he was a great scientist who did lots of amazing research linking sugar to um to heart disease not meat yet he kind of died in relative you know not not well known and so keith is a hero friend of the money printer died wealthy yeah this is the world we live in today and that's why bitcoin is important every time you buy a little bit of bitcoin you you you take a shot at the money printer and you make it a little more difficult

and you make the illusion that they perpetuate the distortions that they continue you make them a little more strung out yeah and another great example i wrote about it last week is boeing um Speaking of airplanes and the fact that we haven't built, we haven't, like, surpassed the benchmark set in the 70s in terms of speed and safety. With all the Boeing Air Maxes that are going down, having the doors ripped out, having the engines break mid-flight, having the wheels fall off, people are like, all right, what the hell went on? Well, they brought in a McKinsey consultant as their CEO in 2005, and he ran the company for 10 years. and when he came in he told all the engineers like hey we've reached the pinnacle of where we're going to get to in terms of engineering new airplanes and engines we're not going to focus on engineering anymore like we're focused on stock price so if you look

believe it's 2003 to 2018 they spent 80 percent of their profits embarking in stock buybacks to their stock price and if you look at their stock price over that time and outperformed the s&p by many multiples and so again fiat incentives corrupting uh a company that's been around for over a century boeing um and they over the last 20 years completely neglected their core competency which is building reliable safe and innovative airplanes delivering the market uh And they focused on the fiat game, which is like, hey, we just need to increase shareholder value by driving our stock prices up. So instead of reinvesting profits and actually designing and bringing good jets to market, they just bought back stock to take the lower the denominator of their share float so that the price would go up and they get rewarded. Even though you're saying this and your podcast is very well listened to and other people know this, it's still going to work out to their advantage.

i'm convinced it's it's they're gonna keep the people at the top are gonna keep making a lot of money dr fatima stanford despite being of being an intellectual you know uh halfway got appointed to the usda food guidelines board so i mean she got a promotion for her stupidity and saying that on 60 minutes and it's becoming more i had um my wife's a montessori school teacher oh she's gonna love me saying this uh some kid was eating a whole bunch of sugar in class and somebody was like you know you gotta be careful you don't want to get diabetes and another person in the school interrupted him it's like actually no sugar does no they found out sugar does not cause diabetes anymore

it's part of the psyop i mean of course sugar it's it's glucose i what i mean they used to test diabetes back in uh you know ancient greece by how bees were attracted to your urine yeah i want interesting visual to put into everybody's mind but of course it's sugar we all know it's sugar but no it's meat it's me everything is meat now because the temperature is meat um population it's all everything will be blamed on meat and we should eat like 16th century peasants we should eat our grains yeah it's uh well not only the grains now they want us to eat the bugs too yeah that's coming um but i feel like there's it's been kind of publicized enough where there's enough pushback it seems like they've slowed down they were pushing it

but they've slowed it down a little bit so i'm hoping that we keep mentioning the bugs because every time we do i think it it that's they don't want to move too quickly too fast because what this is is a slow boil if they would have proposed these kinds of things in 1972 we would have rejected them out of out of hand but you know they keep us boiling they kept raising the temperature up on a slowly we don't notice how quickly things have actually changed and it's really again nefarious and fucked up when you think about it because like what is like is the sanctity of perpetuating the fiat monetary system worth all the collateral damage yes it's the most powerful weapon that these individuals will ever have that the world has ever seen weaponizing the entire

productive labor of everybody to like they just need to hold on to it they just need to hold on to it and that's why i love that you have this podcast because every time you talk i mean every every podcast i've listened to for a while you really expose the intellectual roots you start pulling this shit out and every like one person at a time right that's all it takes yeah well it's fitting that we're sitting here having this conversation i'm very happy uh number one that it's with you number two that it's in person because this is tftc episode 500 damn i was telling your assistant i'm like balloons do we get maybe some like cheese puffs from the sky i was another one we were addicted they were jacks jacks was the uh was the brand of

cheese puffs that we liked growing up i had because i i grew up in pennsylvania so i don't know if you know bloomsburg yeah yeah my dad was a professor at bloomsburg university and um that's what we were in chicago originally kind of like parallel then and my my parents got my dad got a job at the university so we moved to pennsylvania yeah this was a big deal there The Yutz family has a very famous house on the coast of Jersey and Avalon. It's hidden in the dunes, and you can go see. If you slow down your car, you can see they have, like, golden pretzels. Oh, that's cool.

I had French fries for the first time in three years last night because they were fried in lard and tallow. At a restaurant here, I'm going to say it wrong, Dai- Dai-Dui. Yeah. yeah it was hard to get in and it was like expensive but it was worth it that's that's one thing that gives me hopes that people are waking up in a bit like my wife is a total seed oil nazi now like she's reading every um every package their ingredients looking for seed oils

not buying it if seed oils are included um we buy uh beef in bulk and it comes with tallow so we'll cook things in tallow but other things like ziki is another um food truck chain i guess you can say here in austin that they do everything the beef tallow ziki it's called yes okay z-e-k-e z-i-k-i okay and um the i was a pub key in new york for for the having uh on friday oh nice how was that it was great incredible event and um so there's a big community in new york as well yes Okay. There's a, there's an, there's an outpost that you can, you can find. Of heretics, heretics and misfits.

Yes. And, uh, they moved, um, all their frying to beef tallow. Nice. It actually just went live last week. So it's weird. Cause we're going back in time. Cause in 1990, McDonald's and burger came fried to fries and beef tallow until the corporate funded studies came out telling you, oh my gosh, no, you can't do that.

we need corn, soy, all these seed oils. And they flooded the market with corn through subsidies. And this is what we get. You go to Mexico, it's sugar in their Coke because the subsidies for sugar are not like they are here. It's different. It's one of my favorite long-lost clips is of Julia Child holding up a McDonald's french fry right after they transitioned away into seed oil. she's like i'll never eat it eat a mcdonald's fry again like they moved off of beef tallow and so like julia child being included on that back then was uh interesting to know there were people who were in the know were like no this is a bad idea yeah it was still forced on the market i really believe that we can't it's hard to see i got a great blurb from tucker carlson who's

a real inspiration to me um on my book and he was talking about in the blurb how the american diet has made it difficult to think clearly yeah and as a result you can't really understand what they've done to the american and i think about that a lot it's like it really it has compromised us quite a bit where if you're in the fog you stay in the fog but if i can employ your audience and just try try it for a few days just try getting off the sugar addiction and the carb addiction and just try eating some meat and you'll find that it's it's worth it and i know it's it's expensive to get a ribeye but it's more expensive to be laid up in a hospital yeah and to deal with a lot of those issues and get your insulin shots and you know have the lower time preference

thinking as they would say it's crazy how fast it can work too i think my eczema used to be the bane of my existence like i would get um really self-conscious about it because it would flare up it'd be all over my arms do you think it's from the dye indicator rate or i don't know don't know i think it was the sugar it was like 40 ingredients so it's hard to pick out one right but it was like at the same time i like cut out carbs as much as possible too and it went away within a couple weeks and it has been back for a decade like that is i think it's a testament to the human body like we can fill it with a bunch of this shit for a while you should feel blessed that you had that happen to you too in a sense i know that sounds awful to say but just because

it was a tell like your body's a tell and you were doing something wrong and it shifted you modify your behavior it's like you know if you put your hand on a stove you don't want to remove the sensation of burning you want to make sure you feel that so you move your hand yeah right you moved your hand and now look at you you feel much better yeah right and it's something uh no i have two young kids too and that's something like how old are your kids four and almost two oh man i have i have a 20 year old a 17 year old a nine year old and a 12 year old oh all girls I brought one of them with me to Austin and she's, she got, she got orange-pilled at the event. Did you find that you couldn't do the orange-pilling? That's what I found. People

close to my life, whenever I tried orange-pilling, they're like, shut up. But then somebody else tells them like, ah, I think you were right. Yeah. That's a, it feels a little bit like that. I did make her listen to the book, the audio book version of Fiat Food on the way up here. And she was very good about that. She pretended to listen and had interesting questions. um it's it's a her generation is she was explaining to me she thinks they're ready for this sort of message because they're becoming skeptical these are children of covid now like they have a they have a they have a they have a uh a history that you and i can't

really understand like the years of their childhood taken away from them so i think they're beginning to be like what the fuck yeah at first they were scared now they're like a lot of them like what the fuck was that you know and they're angry as they should be yeah no i think i mean we see when our oldest my oldest was born in february of 2020 we're lucky we were in new york we were one of the last families that were actually able i was able to be there in the delivery room we had our parents in the waiting room um i think a week later it was when they were like nobody can be in the hospital wow masked up um for my oldest son like for the first two years of his life everybody was wearing a mask and he has a speech delay and we're pretty confident that it was because of that like he

literally in those formative years wasn't seeing people move their lips and articulate and so he had no reference point from which to develop his own speech is he is it coming yeah it's coming back he's much better but when he was like two and starting to talk it's like a weird social experiment because how many social cues people get from your face especially children they're trying to grow up and understand and learn. And luckily we were already in Patagonia, Arizona at that time. I've never put a mask on, I refused.

Part of it was like, I'm a dad. I don't want my kids to see me mask. Like, what does that say about their dad? But I was also fortunate, I'm a writer. Like, would I have been so brave if I had to go to a job where my family's livelihood depended on me? I like to think I would have been, but I don't know. That's difficult.

Yeah. I mean, that's part of the reason we came down here. We were lucky. We escaped to the confines of South Jersey and Cape May County. We thought we were going to be there for two weeks. We were there for 18 months, but where we were, it's a sleepy beach town in the off season. I know Cape May. Yeah. And most people did not.

From living in Brooklyn, Cape May was the vacation spot. Yeah. Like we didn't, we didn't wear masks everywhere, but still we were on this Island and everybody was mainly isolated. So we didn't see many people for the first 18 months of my son's life. Obviously towards summer 2021, I think everybody was like, all right, we're going to go to the beach. We'll be fine. But you know, simple interactions with people wearing masks throughout that, even if it wasn't every day, I think it wasn't enough to, you know, they,

they've, they've conditioned us though, to when I wrote this book, occurred to me how long-standing the attempt to get to the point where they could mandate masks and we would accept it because really you know with fiat currency when they removed when nixon decoupled they essentially took away our ability to control what we earn because unless you own the fiat money printer you don't control your productivity saying you own your money is a slogan it's a fucking slogan it's not true like you don't because somebody else can make as much of it as they want my bitcoin i own nobody i have my keys nobody can make more of my bitcoin um but then with food they by telling us what we could eat and couldn't eat they they they really

extended their ability for control and i really feel like the vaccine was the next step logically like now it's we don't have control over we don't have control over our productive labor we don't have control of our our health like we have to outsource that so we become dependent on real experts who are going to tell us how to eat what value our money will have and what drugs we need to be injected with by which pharmaceutical companies how often and when that's where we are yeah and 2024 and you think about the clown like it is so insane once you see it you can't unsee it and then you're like how does nobody else see this but like just the the ploys that were used particularly around the vaccine that compound a lot of what we're talking about right now like

if you had uh the fuck was it what was the mayor before adams um it was uh oh i knew i knew the de blasio de blasio yeah de blasio i mean like if you go get your vaccine uh we'll give you free shake shack so like go get the go get the uh the experimental vaccine and then we'll reward you with some seed oil soaked fried food it marty it's because they fucking hate you i mean it's the only explanation i could come up with they fucking eating the fries like a slob in the press conference and it's like literally looking working in new york too he was public advocate when i was there and i can tell you personally he's a complete piece of shit he would show up late to everything he just no respect that he was slovenly he didn't take care of himself and i could not believe he

got elected mayor i mean it's almost comical to me it's like the least exceptional human beings get appointed to these positions of power because they have this special skill of acquiring power somehow and it's amazing to me well you brought up tucker i mean he was on rogan over the week i didn't get to hear that well that's what i didn't watch the whole thing yet but i did see this one clip actually parker sent to me last night in which they were talking about speaker of the house mike johnson and the fact that he was marketed on the right if somebody would get in there and he'd like uh fight for the uh the rights he'd fight for the conservative movement and really push things along to fight back against the left um yeah that's how he was

marketed he's got in and obviously they just signed this bill sending more money to ukraine and it seems everybody's like what the fuck he was marketed as this guy who's going to fix things and he hasn't done anything in fact he's gone the complete opposite direction he's buddied up with the left and uh tucker made this point it's like yes it's what people in power want is weak men in positions of influence and so mike johnson is an example of a weak man that could be manipulated by interests behind him who have the actual power and same thing with de blasio like a weak man so like to answer the question is like how do these people get in it's like they're identified as weak men who have a very loose moral compass who will blow with the wind when it is advantageous to them

and that's who's puts in these positions of power and so whether it's de blasio or mike johnson um that's how we end up with these caricatures of people who are supposed to be uh fighting for american citizens at the end of the day that makes a lot of sense and i'd love to to read that book at some point uh i mean i find tucker carlson remarkably insightful and just um like yourself like he's gonna be moving into different he's he's i'm so happy he's freed himself from fox news because i think the long form format fits him so much better because he's very very thoughtful and it's just difficult i've been on his show when he had his fox in your show and you know you have a little bit of time and but he's not that guy he never

was that guy he was always long he should have always been this is much more natural and he'll be much more effective fox and you should have never fucking fired that guy because now he's off the chain yeah and now we can talk to us directly and he's probably going to make more money in the long run too which i think that's i mean and you've seen it whether it's tucker megan kelly on the other side don lemon chris cuomo um we're seeing all these people came up in legacy media begin to defect and be like no i can do this independently yeah i find that whole whole thing fascinating too i wrote a book called about match rudge i don't know if you know who that is and just how he changed media and i have a movie coming out

to that effect i wrote the screenplay for it's my first venture into screenwriting i'm excited about that but um the whole switch of media has always long fascinated me and it really began i remember when matt came out with his website in the early 90s because ahead of then there was a monopoly of four networks that if they and a few magazines and a newspaper that if they're gatekeepers of information so they would tell us what what we needed to know but they would you know what they thought we needed to know matt drudge broke that but then i know we're going off subject a little bit but then immediate got consolidated again like the internet was the promise of freedom the populist movement of information and then it all got consolidated again by google apple these

tech companies was very interesting but now you're seeing it break apart again with you and tucker and rogan and these characters who get wide audiences by really just putting on heretical ideas letting people discuss them it's amazing man congratulations by the way oh thank you i mean 500 episodes is something to be proud of. That's a lot. And I stumbled into this. I didn't even want to. I studied economics and was just really into Bitcoin.

Who's going to want to hear somebody talk about economics for a fucking hour and a half a day? That's ridiculous. Well, that's the thing. I mean, Rogan's always said this. Part of the reason why the format of the show is the way it is is the long-form discussion just enables so much more uh exploration of topics that deserve more than 90 second

speed hits i was telling people last night in austin about this about how back then you could fake it you didn't even have to know your information you could it was so short you could do like two and a half minutes and just have a few slogans you say i mean that was more effective anyways because you needed sound bites right uh you can't fake it anymore like you're gonna you're gonna have somebody on for an hour and a half they better fucking know what they're talking about they'll be exposed and it'd be very obvious and i love that about the new format yeah then the other end there's interviewing like you better know what questions ask and you can't just be like a pretty face in front of a camera yeah it's interesting not saying but you are a pretty

face i'm just gonna throw that out there oh thank you matthew um no it is it's exciting it's also it's exhilarating it feels like we're in this crazy inflection point where especially post COVID many people are waking up and at the same time the incumbent Fiat system is doubling tripling down as they lose control so that's the big question in my mind over the next five years particularly is how does this narrative battle evolve and who wins out ultimately because there's a lot at stake my my take on it is that people are generally misled by believing that this is battle between the left and the right i would yes posit that this is a battle for self-autonomy by individuals who are done with with being told how to live how to breathe what to inject

themselves with which flavored cheetos to eat it's a battle of ideas and it's a battle over control of not any specific group of people but individuals across the country wanting to retain control of themselves again and to own their own lives yeah and that's a very important thing to highlight and i've mentioned this many times in the last few episodes but michael goldstein's big block boom 2029 or excuse me 2019 presentation on rhetoric um and me more fair has had a profound impression on my life now i view a lot of what's going on in the world where do i find that it's on it's on youtube yeah search it um michael goldstein uh bit block boom 2019 the block wound big big block boon okay i'm gonna the art of bitcoin rhetoric um obviously

focused on like the rhetoric bitcoiner should be using to get across messages effectively um but really approaches it from first principles perspective on rhetoric generally and one thing that the media and the incumbent power structure does very well is use the rhetorical trick of framing things a certain way where they box you into a frame and left verse right is the predominant frame that everybody is caught onto hook line and sinker and you're just put in this box this rhetorical box where you're told this is where the discourse happens this is the the battle lines that exist in which you have to strategically move within and it's just not true like that it just i think in it he's like do not let them put you in their frame you have to own

the frame so to that point it's like switching the frame it's not left versus right it's individual versus power structure that wants to take away your autonomy exactly i think that's exactly you hit it that's the core of it it's individuals who want to take away our autonomy it's not about me agreeing with you marty it's about you agreeing that i have the right to do it what the fuck i want as long as i'm not hurting anybody it's very i wish my i wish my inner philosophies were more complicated but it really boils down to that just leave me alone unless i'm not hurting anybody well that yeah and that's i mean that's almost the uh the paradox of it all is it is actually more it's like when you get back to first principles it's like very simple um just let

people do what they want to do as long as they're not hurting anybody else and they're in interacting in consensual agreements with other individuals they should be fine to do that and what they've done to the food supply what they've done by concealing the information by manipulating the science by weaponizing the fiat money printer all in the name of distorting the effects and consequences of monetary inflation i would argue is the most most consequential crime of of the century because what it does is it makes us dependent by compromising our health metabolically it's not like four percent of the population has diabetes it's like we're approaching half of pre-diet i mean it's in our younger kids they're they're growing up

Most of them now, by the time of 14, most of them, a significant number, are already going to be dependent. They don't have their self-autonomy. They're going to be dependent on the medical system. They're going to become part of it. And there's no good ending. There's no good ending to that. It's sad. The LTV of Generation Alpha and Gen Z for the pharmaceutical industry is probably the long-term value as a customer of that industry is probably multiples of what it was in the 70s.

You go through the paper. I went through some of the papers I got access to about with pharma. And the argument that kept coming up was how these weight loss shots, which we were talking about earlier, are going to replace statins as the most profitable drug in the history of the world. Because you get a kid on it at 11, it's a lifelong drug. You can't go off of it.

You get the shot. Well, until the effects become too evident, then they'll switch it. Well, the effects are crazy. people are literally dying by choking on their own shit because it paralyzes your stomach and you can't i mean nature matters right like nature and health are there's a synchronicity and there's there's no shot that's gonna make you skinny don't staple your stomach that's fucking weird like stop it just stop eating shit like stop eating it's it's it's amazing what happens when you just stop eating shit it's like i wish i could give a more complicated dietary advice to anybody

but just stop eating toxins yeah like go back to the food if they ate it 100 years ago you're good you know but right now are like the amount of sugar we're consuming right now is over 150 pounds a year in the 1700s the average person ate four pounds and i had somebody explain to me well you know people evolve no you don't evolve like that evolution doesn't work that quickly we've been here a long time 300 years is a tiny drop in the water we have not evolved which is why um you know it's just metabolically compromised yeah no it is crazy when you look at like b-roll footage from the 70s of the line of people at star wars opening right they're all skinny they have clear complexions and that and that's like one of the go-to b-roll footages of like

cnn and msnbc is like the bottom half of fat people walking while they're talking about like a diabetes epidemic yeah it's uh it is alarming um just looking out like how many people and just how fat they are you talked about kings of medieval time it was a sign of wealth like they weren't even that fat no and you you go back to like the 90s the movies in the 90s are the sitcoms and the caricature of a fat person it's different looks pretty healthy so you're chicago right i um i'm from philly originally i went to college in chicago i'm obsessed with the 1985 chicago bears was the last team that i was seven at the time and uh william the refrigerator perry was a parody for his size he would be undersized today

as a defensive lineman he weighed a little a little over 300 pounds right now he wouldn't be able to make it in the league it'd be too small yeah it's insane yeah do you think uh what's what's the reception to the book been like so far have you okay so shockingly good i mean i've been pretty astounded by i wrote this as a passion project um i didn't expect to make any money on this book i i just felt it was important i have four daughters i wanted them to read it you know i went i never self-published so i i went with safe's publishing house and i know that he has a big following but it's a weird niche topic fiat food like what and i also knew that i wouldn't be able to get the publicity i traditionally get from my more you know when i

used to not be a heretical journalist when i used to be considered a mainstream journalist but it's being currently translated into different languages and poland and norway and i i couldn't have been more surprised it's one of these books that you know have you published before marty i'm sorry i have not uh something i need to traditionally what happens is the book comes out and there's a huge like wave of cells cells and then it dies this has been growing the opposite where it seems to be picking up momentum which um it's just really gratifying i'm very very very appreciative and appreciative for you having me on and letting me share the story no well it's an important story and i think that trend that you're seeing is a testament to

something we've been touching on which is like people are starving for this information pun intended um because they i think intuitively whether people verbalize it or recognize it um uh explicitly if they know something's off on social media now like once once every two days maybe i'll get a message from somebody who's just like this changed my life and it's really gratifying to me to hear this because i i also just have to bring it back to safe because his chapter saved like changed my life his chapter in fiat standard on fiat food and to be able to do an in-depth investigation and really spell it out i have over 200 citations i bring all the receipts on this one the argument i know it sounds really far out there that's why i meticulously go over

every detail. And I try to tell it in a narrative, fast moving approach, but I mean, I, I couldn't be more proud of this book. It's actually of all the things I've written and I've, you know, I've written movies. I've had my life portrayed in a TV show. Um, I've done a lot of cool shit, you know, I've written a lot of books, hundreds of magazine and newspaper articles. I've done nothing in my life aside from having my children and my family that i'm more proud of than this than this work that's awesome do you do you um do you have hope that we'll get back to i mean we'll consider this good journalism it seems like journalism is uh dying to a certain extent you got somebody like tucker you got you this is journalism glenn greenwald there's still

some really great journalists out there and um i i'm i'm hopeful that journalism is going to be save but it's a lot of shit it's a lot of it's a turn off the tv get a lot of native ads right it's uh really not general journalism in a lot of cases it's pr yeah yeah have you ever listened to the no agenda podcast with uh yeah i have um look i'm a i grew up born in 77 so adam curry's sort of a legend to me yeah that's the one that's the one thing i love that they do is just take a news segment and just completely uh dismantle it and point out like how this is a native ad like somebody paid for this yeah they're literally paying to get stories that people take like oh this is science it's like no that was paid for it's paid for there was a study

i was my i was showing my my daughter a study recently and it was about candy being healthy for you. And it was a CBS news story that was reporting on the story. And the head, the lead was not, I might get this slightly wrong, but the lead was guess what's worse for your child's weight than not than eating candy hyphen, not eating candy, a new study, a shocky new study. And the study was sponsored by the confectionary, the confectionary organizations. And it's not a study it's not science like you can't do that but you're inundated with these things so people get a pass on being confused about what to eat but i'm i am i you know you don't even really need to buy my book i hope you do you understand it all but uh just check on what not your grandmother

but what your great-great-grandmother was eating yeah because you're living off of her genetics by the way your great-great-grandkids genetics might not be as strong if you don't make a change and we don't we don't clean things up may not even have great great gang grandkids that's a scary thought isn't it yeah that would be kellogg's dream to bring it all back to john harvey all right and to just a population bomb just kill it all just end end it all and end the sex drive and then we'll all be pure and we'll all go to heaven in the same boat yeah it's insane this is how these people think it's uh i mean you look at birth rates around the world people like what's going on here maybe it's the food maybe it's the food yeah i mean we're eating more grains we're not

eating as much meat i mean that's definitely a huge part of it i get it's it's fertility rates among men and women are it's a shockingly small and in italy i know they're paying people to try to have kids and are trying to bring it on but similarly hungry i think if you have four kids you don't pay any income tax man i should move there i have four kids too well there i pay a lot and it all feeds into each other it's like the food's fucking us from a fertility perspective and then the money's fucking many people are delaying family formation because they don't think they can afford it and then by the time they can afford it particularly for women they're in their mid-30s and a lot of them it's too late to have um as many kids as they want to and some

for some of them to have any kids at all which is just really fucked up to think about buy bitcoin and the distortion eat meat and buy fiat food is this on amazon too or just the safe house amazon too thank you um the safehouse.com uh use the code tftc you'll get five dollars off this nice um and then you can buy it on amazon as well matthew thank you so much for writing this thank you for joining us i'm happy we can do this in person really appreciate meeting you too uh this was a great 500th episode tftc 500 i'm very happy it was this one thank you peace and love freaks