TFTC: A Bitcoin Podcast - #511: Delegation and Time Hacking with Rod Roudi

Episode Date: June 3, 2024

Marty sits down with Rod Roudi to discuss bitcoin meetups, entrepreneurship, leveraging your time, and more. Rod on Twitter: https://twitter.com/bitkite Bitcoin Park:; https://bitcoinpark.com/ POD256: https://twitter.com/pod256 0:00 - Intro 0:50 - Opening riff 6:45 - Tennessee Bitcoin 14:24 - River & Unchained 15:40 - Grassroots adoption 20:11 - Bitcoin Brainstorm 26:29 - Best way for number to go up 35:36 - Gradually, Then Suddenly & Zaprite 37:14 - Doomscrolling 41:29 - Leveraging time 51:20 - Delegation and scheduling 1:06:08 - More meetups, more podcasts 1:11:31 - TFTC rewards 1:15:48 - Incorporating alpha 1:21:55 - Home screen apps Shoutout to our sponsors: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠River⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Unchained⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Zaprite⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Gradually, Then Suddenly⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TFTC Merch is Available: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Shop Now⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join the TFTC Movement: Main ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YT Channel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Clips ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YT Channel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Marty Bent: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Podcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

this rip of tftc was brought to you by river it's the best place to buy bitcoin go to river.com tftc and enjoy this episode you've had a dynamic where money's become freer than free If you talk about a Fed just gone nuts, all the central banks going nuts. So it's all acting like safe haven. I believe that in a world where central bankers are tripping over themselves to devalue their currency, Bitcoin wins. In the world of fiat currencies, Bitcoin is the victor. I mean, that's part of the bull case for Bitcoin.

If you're not paying attention, you probably should be. You freaks know we need to fix our side tables are very unsturdy. next bull market it's always awkward watching the guests like try to fix them i can think it's their problem but it's really the the side table that's the problem and the dude the studio is awesome man i mean like it's been a year and a half since i've been back well i saw the original in bitcoin park behind you way behind you on the wall oh yeah and i had to pick up the print oh rock and roll put it up you were here a year and a half ago that went up like three months ago hell yeah man you're looking good so are you sir i'm

feeling good we got a big day you already jammed out one podcast you got me and then you got another podcast after this it's gonna be a big day and we got a dinner to go to tonight and we got a dinner to go to tonight that'll be fun yeah i'm happy you're here thanks man because i'm in a big white pill mood okay these days and i think you're wait what's white pill again we're gonna win oh okay got it optimists we have the ability we have the tools we have the vision we have the people we can do this 100 logan hit that 100 um soundboard it's it's happening i i got i'm not gonna lie rod i got in a state where it was just doom scrolling feeding into the vitriol

into the algo into the algo letting it consume me piss me off and then i had to look at look at myself in the mirror and say what are you doing what are you doing 100 focus on the problems focus on the solution it's your big solution driven individual that's why i'm happy you're here thanks man it's the easiest solution in the world you wake up and you see your kids and then you're like no bad days this is my friend harry sudok likes to say No. No, it's fun. We have a great morning routine.

What is your morning routine? Boys come, slap me in the face, and get out of bed. And 6.37. Nice. They're my alarm clock. I've been trying to get up before then, but it's hard. I stay up too late. We make breakfast.

We hang out. We wrestle. We're big wrestling. That's good. There's a lot of testosterone in the house. A lot of wrestling. And then we're still very frugal. We have one car.

the guy only gets in the car we drive to the office do a little chinese fire drill i get out kiss the boys kiss the wife come into the office it's like all right boys you have a good day hell yeah and they're going to like uh now camp or something like that in the summer uh no well my oldest did a swimming boot camp last week literal swimming like the she's called the swimming nazi of uh of austin literally dunking three-year-olds in the water i didn't go my wife took care of it uh or she took him to the boot camp it was five days last week and on the first day the swim teacher is like they're all gonna be terrified for the first two days gonna be crying it's gonna be terrible you're gonna be very stressed out but i promise you by day three

there will be no crying and by day five they will be able to swim and that's what happened so you know i have four kids starting from the age of five all the way down and uh this swim season has been unbelievable my daughter now can swim and it is one of the most the coolest and most rewarding experiences seeing them go from scared shitless to being so confident and so brave by jumping off now the diving board and then swimming over to you i'm like what the heck is going on here yeah we uh we're members of lifetime down here in austin they have a pool that opened up after memorial or before memorial day and so he's learning how to swim last week and so that's the camp they dropped me off they went to lifetime they're gonna go to the pool

then we're shipping up to the northeast oh nice week for the summer at the beach so you're going go to the the summer and then you come back here and what like august september for school yeah rock and roll rock and roll man kids the best more kids more kids more kids that's the way pal solutions solutions you think the world's terrible people are making bad decisions you have some kids and you raise them right you try to raise them right oh man there was this quote by c.s lewis it was like you know and compounding and especially compounding interest it's like doing the small things that are good or positive or doing the small things that are bad or an evil they compound the same way so if you have bad thoughts bad actions they will even the smallest

actions will compound for you you know one month a year 10 years from down down the road but um yeah just try to do good things a little move the ball forward every single day yeah yeah i don't I don't want to come off pretentious or anything, but I'm very happy I looked myself in the mirror. I was like, what are you doing? Yep. Feeding into the negativity. Stop it.

Dude, you're killing it. You're Marty Bent. You're a multi-preneur. I'm serious. I'm going to boost you up real quick. You have arguably one of the, if not the top Bitcoin media company. You're killing it with TFTC.

You and Matt are killing it with RHR. You got 1031. you're on the board of this new um recently or still in the process emerging process emerging process emerging uh publicly traded mining company and there's like probably five other things i've forgotten to even mention um and you're a great dad like and husband so dude keep killing it the mindset is the biggest thing a mindset and just doing small actions every single day yeah well let me let me pump you up now sir you're doing incredible things too i mean multi-preneur at bitcoin park pod 256 father uh really something we should probably dive into

i think facilitating conversations between builders and bitcoin in the state of tennessee and i would say having been in the space and seeing people interacting with different state um officials over the years i think the way you're facilitating things in nashville at bitcoin park is incredible yeah it's it's interesting because now you know you open up twitter open up any of these social media platforms and you see i'll say maybe that glass half full then i'll go maybe on the more pessimistic side the glass half full bitcoin digital assets crypto is the a talking point in this presidential election which is pretty gnarly to even think about you and i've become friends over the last like six seven eight years

and for for even one candidate to even talk about bitcoin or even one legislator to even think about bitcoin was like laughable at the time and now it's you know you got senator lummis and uh senator widen sending um letters i think to the supreme court on behalf of uh and defending um false developers as well as the samurai developers uh uh you know that code is speech and this should be defended not persecuted which is just incredibly awesome to see and especially as you like zoom out and see it from a global point of view for all its warts and everything the u.s is still one of the best places to live raise a family and um and build a business and so it's interesting now having these conversations with folks um on the on the pessimistic side it just seems like

the marketing and propaganda engine across all the crypto digital assets and the i'm nervous because they're saying all the quote-unquote right things just to um rally maybe a non-voting base to become a voting base or some group of people just so that they can tweet more and engage more i just hope those actions are are fulfilled um and i think it's just small things you know that we we can implement that can make a a big difference but i'm for me i don't get consumed on the national or federal level um you know i'm along tennessee i love nashville tennessee i think we have one of the best communities to raise a family to learn to work and to be a bitcoiner and so if we can make that community vibrant and also the best place to start a

business raise a family and if you're a false developer to just write code and be protected and i even hate say i hate saying the word be protected as if this is like some new novel thing it's code of speech so they're let's just call it a spade so i'd love to see an attorney general or somebody come out and fully throat it you know support that and just say i can't believe i'm even saying this but here you go yeah and think of talk about like the game theoretical jurisdictional arbitrage many focus on the international jurisdictional arbitrage but within the states like it exists as well and that's i mean we've talked about this many times individually and then on the podcast like i think states are going to lead the way here

i think we've seen states asserting their autonomy over the last four years particularly and again not to pump you up too much but i think the way you're positioning bitcoin within the state of tennessee towards um tennessee politicians is very smart and it's again small actions every day yep it's not like i won't say who or what but like i got invited to a small get together with the presidential candidate um it was like you can come but you have to give us some money i know it's such a joke like it was it's not what many people probably another context not uh not the trump meeting that's going on but uh another politician here but it's happening like the interfacing with the federal presidential candidates is like all right you want to come

talk and put your case forward it's you got to pay to play but i think what you're doing in tennessee focusing on the state and the way you're facilitating the conversations between the industry and the political stakeholders within tennessee is smart multiple touches low time preference like hey we're here to learn from you and we're here to be a resource for you as well and i'll give them credit in the fact that they're the ones that are proactively reaching out and engaging more and more um and so hopefully we'll we'll see a lot of good things yeah the the pay for play and like hey make a big contribution and do this or that um just personally rubs me the wrong way um Um, I think a lot of these politicians are actually really good people, believe it or

not. And I do think they have their constituents best interests. If you think about the alignment of incentives, they should have their constituents, um, interests, um, in mind. And, um, this is one of those things where, you know, Parker will be here later tonight, gradually than suddenly they see, they come to our meetups and they see the eclectic, community the vibrant community that we've built that's local and global and they're like like they're like what is going on here nashville tennessee and and as someone was like oh i want

to do a bitcoin park here i want to do a bitcoin park there i mean the commons whatever and i'm like uh no like i think i couldn't even start bitcoin park again if i went to a new city or i started from ground zero again no way no shot in hell i do think a lot of people can make a better bitcoin park and there's a number of ways to improve it but i don't think they can make it again you needed like and i hope to god nothing like covet ever happens again in my lifetime but you know you need something like that you needed something where it gets marty bent is his family uprooted from the northeast to come to texas you need something where people are like you know what? Uh, all my freedoms are pretty much manipulated or taken away in the, in the

areas that I used to, uh, I grew up in, I need to move. And then there is more people coming to the Nashville's, the Austin's, these, my, the Florida's and all these other places. So, um, I think there's a unique opportunity. Um, and this is for the meetup organizers out there that are awesome. Um, continue to build, continue to host your meetups, continue to engage in good faith with a lot of these folks because i think the way you kicked it off at the beginning with your white pilling we're gonna win and it's it's not even gonna be funny it's we're gonna win so bigly and when we say we i mean literally all american citizens and the entire global population is going to win bigly when we was like it's not us versus them it's literally every single human being benefits

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the game theory the the game theory of like adoption by institutions nation states and the last couple months it's like all right let's get back to basics well how did this newsletter start how this podcast start was literally talking to people building the technology that's going to enable us to leverage bitcoin and um in a way that we want to so it seems like mutiny fetty zap right like really diving into what they're doing the chummy mint explosion that's happening uh on top of bitcoin like diving into those different protocols and the products being built rapidly, quickly, seeing Noster begin to flourish. It's a lot of hope there.

A hundred percent. I mean, look, nation state adoption, corporate balance sheet, getting on a Bitcoin savings. Those are conversations for smarter people than me. And I think eventually it happens. You know, Professor Hendrickson had a really good point. Like, is nation state adoption a good thing for Bitcoin? Like, why do you want a nation to start consolidating a Bitcoin position?

and i think he's right in the sense that grassroots bitcoin adoption of freedom technology is the way to go because educating enabling people touching the stove understanding the power if we go top down then there's like the trust layers of all right i'm going to trust this third party i'm going to trust this etf i'm going to trust this you know merchant to manage all my bitcoin or my treasury or my medium exchange whatever it is and um that's why i love the community aspect i love these small businesses i love entrepreneurs um like drew diagostino who you had on your pod amazing amazing entrepreneur adopts bitcoin on his balance sheet has a great sass business great cash flow business and now he has more he's empowered to make better longer

term decisions by adopting a bitcoin standard i have not had him on this podcast yet but no drew well he was on the podcast down the hall the bitcoin frontier okay by joe burnett but it was in this episode was it okay maybe i there was some maybe you clipped it that's why and then i yeah we clipped it on tftc because it was that good but i've gotten to know drew uh we have a mutual friend um who's a bitcoiner has been for a while um but let's tell the story like crystal like it's just a small sass company uh andrew the founder has become a bitcoiner and he is an example of the game theory that bitcoiners have talked about for many years now playing out where he does not have bitcoin implemented into his product but he recognizes as a small business

totally um if i want to not dilute myself by going and raising a bunch of vc capital i need to extend my runway by adopting a better treasury asset on my small business balance sheet you nailed it i mean the guy is so smart so humble so caring and now he's got this tool bitcoin at the end of the day in my opinion it's just a tool um a tool for a company ceo to preserve their future purchasing power better than any other investable asset and now he can make better long-term decisions he can make better hiring decisions he can do so many better things about his business and also frees him up so much time to then potentially hire better people to run the business and um i think as we get fixated on ai um new technologies bitcoin enabled uh companies

i think there's a massive opportunity in these small businesses especially the blue collar type businesses where um a lot of them don't have an inheritance or a what do they call it like a hand me down plan because their kids are like you know working at google or doing some other joke or stuff and uh to take over those businesses adopt like the drew playbook you know operate on a bitcoin standard maintain cash flow uh maintain a good ltv good cac and do all the business terms and blah, blah, blah. And it just be like amazing. And that's where this next act,

I'm thinking through a lot more is we're going to, the Bitcoin Park is still a project in its infancy. And we've been actually June 1, which is today's the 29th and two days will be our two year anniversary, which is freaking wild to even think about.

By the way, fun fact, Logan, fun fact, you ready for this? State of Tennessee's birthday. june 1 as well what year logan what year come on he's he's swiping left and right yeah are you on bumble over there dude it's gonna be hot you see i i went from zero podcasts and now i'm gonna be doing uh three podcasts i do the yeah pod 26 with eco 1796 there we go 1796 1796 up to

2022 and then Bitcoin Park started June 1 of 2020 226 years that's all it took did you get the math right Logan? I think I did I don't know what number you just said

226 you got a computer in front of you if you need to use it I'm just basing it on my birthday and then adding years the um uh but with the park um i kind of lost my train of thought we got the the you pod 256 builders of bitcoin yeah okay uh it's only the one with the monthly bitcoin brainstorm with kathy wood i mean which is kind of you're gonna have to not mention that to begin

yeah that's it's wild it's been so much fun doing that one um how did that come about uh yassin's a friend and we've been talking about for like a nut a long time figuring out ways that we can just work together and then he finally it was his idea i mean he finally was like look let's just do a podcast how about that um and uh we'll do a podcast you create it and curate the guest list no like you know use me as much as you want to use me or don't use me at all and then he's like we'll produce it and distribute it you know they got incredible reach and i was like all right um let's do it and then the first podcast we did and i was like all right you know kathy's cool and she's great she's really engaging but she's probably gonna just do this one time and

then you know go on about her day because she's really um she's been on every single podcast and i know now she's like looks forward to it every single month and uh it's been really really cool so every month i'm like texting like here's the topic i'm thinking about whether it relates to the monthly topic at bitcoin park because that's what we i did i was like all right i don't want to create even more work for myself every month we do a different topic at bitcoin park for our monthly meetup we bring guests i kind of do the same topic for the monthly brainstorm and then i'll invite other guests to come on and and so on and and i mean it's dope i mean i've had you know people from like rockstar dev to luke dash dasher to maulers to preston to i mean the list goes on

of just awesome bitcoiners on that show um and they were kind enough they created their own bitcoin brainstorm playlist amongst our huge youtube channel so you can just go to that channel and subscribe to it they allow us to take the content and put it on the bitcoin park feed so if you are listening on the podcast you can just subscribe to the bitcoin park podcast feed and um yeah and i think there's going to be some them being closer to the bitcoiners that are building and developing in this space i think is a great thing for them and i think they're going to do some really interesting stuff um in the future.

What is your favorite conversation that you've had on that show? Oh man. It's like choosing my favorite kid. Okay. I have one. No, I'm just joking. Um,

uh, the AI conversation with Paul Eto'o and, um, killer killer and Cody Lowe. And, um, we had a number of other guests on there and just Paul, such a big brain.

And you can tell, go and watch that episode and look at Kathy and hit her colleague. I forget the gentleman's name. Um, they're like it's opening up new potentials especially with what their their ai thesis and perspective especially on agents and such and paul is just the use case the potential use cases of combining ai agents and bitcoin it's going to hit us like a ton of bricks yeah um that one was great the first one with mallers and ob and preston and harry that was phenomenal uh we did

one with on custody which was really cool we did one on faust development uh we had steve myers from the bdk foundation on uh mike schmidt from brink um just if you go to that playlist if you don't mind go and look at the topics and um i i'm pretty proud of the the way we've curated those topics and the guests that we've had on um tony from mutiny has been on when we're talking about um layer twos even though now i can't i don't like saying layer twos but um l2s man it's hot is it l2 season or something um god that was bastardized but um but it's been that's been really fun because that's like a world that i'm not um as familiar with like the institutional side of finance and bitcoin uh i'm more on the super individual grassroots community side so

it's kind of weird when i'm like oh yeah me and econo alchemist do this pod 256 plebish mining focused uh uh mining podcast and i'm like oh yeah and my other co-host here is kathy wood uh on the bitcoin brainstormed like who are you i'm like i don't even know who i am it's called breaths in the industry that's right that's right um but no you've seen almandra who's a legend who's a friend mutual friend of ours um he's a king all yeah all credit goes to him he's the man yeah and that i mean to that point too uh since you're doing the brainstorm and pod 256 like i think you have a unique perspective on how this all interplays with each other the grassroots blood miners individuals looking to secure their wealth and then the institutions

and that's obviously a hot topic in the space particularly over the last year which is the institutions are here like are they gonna corrupt bitcoin like should we like tell people not to interact with them what is your view on how all this is going to play together i i keep going back to time preference and i keep thinking about my kids i'm like short term if i just wanted my bags packed and number go up i'd be full-throated endorsing all nation state adoption corporate adoption balance sheets etfs everything you'd see me tweeting about like political donations like the whole nine yards in my opinion again this is my opinion i don't know if i'm right or not um that's just not the winning move the winning move is if you give up the

community and give up the ethos of what the freedom technology that bitcoin allows for all of humanity there's a solution where bitcoin does not or there's a scenario where bitcoin does not win in the sense that if corporate adoption or institutional adoption becomes the majority of the way we use bitcoin but bitcoin is like you know a million two million five million dollars a coin and we can barely use it to um to send to anybody we we permissionlessly want to that is not even though my life would be my my life would be awesome i'm not sure about my kids life my my other my grandkids life so i do think it's of immense importance to not what's the term like not throw the baby out with the bath water in terms of just trying to get this number to go

up so fast and drive insane quote i think we need to also figure out what our definition of adoption is is corporate balance sheet adoption through a third party like coinbase adoption of bitcoin or is it you know folks setting up uh and i need like i just don't have enough time to like study all the different implementations from like eCash to Fetty to what Mutiny and those guys are building. Is it better to go hand-to-hand and build up from the individuals in the communities?

I'm betting with my time, capital, and reputation on the latter and helping build Bitcoin Park, helping these other communities across the world flourish. Yeah. Yeah, it's something I've been reflecting on a lot too and it's we always fall back to it's permissionless system people can do what they want with it including the institutions and to your point i said this on i was on the mic and coffee podcast a couple weeks ago and that's my biggest worry is that what you just described

everybody's like yeah our bags are getting pumped numbers going up everything's great but while that's happening they're like uh you guys can't do this anymore don't worry it's in your best interest that we don't send it to those ofac addresses or we're going to just do a little bit of this filtering here for you guys it's in your best interest do you want your number to go from what is or it is like you know uh 65 000 bucks to 650 000 bucks again i want the number to go up too do not get me wrong i'm not trying to be some altruistic you know whatever but um i do believe that number is just eventually going to get there and then i want to figure out the best path to get there and i think we all need to think more critically about the going all the way

back to the beginning of the pod all the small decisions that we're making now and how they compound are they good positive decisions that compound in the best interests of you know you your family community in the world or are they slightly negative potentially evil decisions that we're making now that can compound in a negative manner for you your family your community in the world and i think very critically about that and i think it's important to realize too that these are all social aspects like it's really a mindset and a will to fight to defend the rights to use bitcoin this way to enable our children and grandchildren ultimately to have the the ability to to use bitcoin this way that's that comes down to messaging and positioning framing and

i agree with you like that is the disconcerting thing about all this political pandering that's been going on in recent months is like yeah it's like i mean the text i got this morning was just like oh god like in the group of people i won't name names but and not in bitcoin like in crypto yeah this is their first time and i want to preface this by saying like i don't know what i'm these are my opinions and i 100 be wrong and i just i think this is where i hope to spend my actions and such um this is also in their defense probably the first time where they have the audience of these people or their ear so they're like when the lights are on the the and they're really bright and they got the

attention of this person that's like uh you know and they just say whatever comes to mind and then the other side is like okay cool we can do that but you know how the system works right you gotta do this this and this and they're like okay no problem yes sir and then you realize quickly you're like wait you're playing their game rather than changing the game that's already kind of corrupted and and in the self-interest of a minority and i think that's where i hope we can do something different especially whether it's leveraging bitcoin park and these other communities globally to say we've got the community if you lose the community you lose everything and if we have the community locally and potentially globally behind us and we're continuing to go on about our

alive and then they want to participate in being involved more power to them yeah it's tough i can see it like i have the uh little rodolfo on my shoulder like no i thought you're showing me your guns for a second i don't see it you're allowed to concealed carry in the comments unfortunately i'm not concealing right now logan you take a picture of that so that you can get that as a clip but uh that that but quick tangent that's those are the shots uh logan where he goes from uh 300 how many followers do you have on twitter like 200 300 000 to 200 damn damn that's another soundboard where you hit damn um that's where for the what do you call the thumbnails you just put that out there and he goes from 200 to 300 no big deal so you get jacked off about bitcoin

do push-ups and just like flex your muscles um i was pointing to my shoulder i got mvk on my shoulder right now saying no we need bitcoin to go up and then we can we have to play the game and i can see that view and i'm just like ah yeah i don't think we have to play their game to be honest with you i think the game i think we can play within the game for sure but we don't have to play yeah well that's going back to like messaging framing i think again white pill we're gonna win yeah corners show some self-respect uh we have the best memers in the game i know it's a pretty good job bid scenes killing it by the way the guy is like throwing bobs left and right i'm like that maybe the the twitter algo for some reason i haven't been seeing his tweets

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I think we can route around that and just go directly to the hearts and minds and win them. Yeah. With good messaging, good framing. And the best money. And the best money. Yeah, we have the truth on our side. We do.

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notifications in a morning and an evening view so i'll get one not like in the first thing in the morning but like i don't know eight or nine i'll get like all my notifications i'm like okay respond to this blah blah and then it's helped me just move out all the bullshit that just because there's so much stuff that just context switching and just takes away from my mental energy when something like uh you know i see marty flexing his muscle because logan tweeted it out and I'm like, well, my day is gone. Now I got to do 1,000 push-ups just to compete with them. Yeah, just get off the doom scrolling,

reduce the notifications to zero has been such a good life hack for me. I need to adopt that summary notification. It's so good. I actually saw a clip of this on Twitter, ironically, the other day. I was scrolling through Twitter and I ironically saw this clip. But it was, and I suffer from this problem a lot.

And so if you're listening and you're one of the people that is, who's been affected by me suffering from this problem, I apologize. But you get decision paralysis when you get text, emails, signal messages, telegram messages, Twitter DMs. And for me personally, I'm like, holy fuck, there's just like too much to respond to.

Then you just like sort of like push it down. Like I'll get to it later and then you forget. So here's another app that I use and it's kind of still shit, but it actually works for the most part. It's called text.com. It's a unified messaging app that they're definitely probably reading all my messages and so on, you know, not probably the best privacy centric tool out there, but at least from my signal, telegram, Twitter, DMS, all in one unified dashboard so I'll time block around 2-4pm and I'll just be catching up on my shutdown routine for the day

all my messages that I've got to catch up on not many of my stuff is time sensitive whereas yours may be more time sensitive so you've got to respond to the folks the left side i'm 100 on the left side of the bell curve when it comes to like smarts if there's a notification that comes up i will switch whatever i'm doing and just give it my complete undivided attention

and it'll fuck me up for the whole day and so i try to do these time blocks where i'm like all right this is the mindset for getting responding back to all these people getting back to these people uh responding to email cleaning that up and then figuring out what i want to do for the rest of the day or next day yeah and when you think about it with this guy in the twitter video was proclaiming is that the humanity the course of human history like people have this decision paralysis because we've never had the ability to just reach out and contact anybody for most of human history like literally even like till the 90s arguably like you'd have to be by a landline to physically or if you had a beeper or cell phone or so much coordination just to even like

communicate and now we live in this age where it's like anybody can reach out like not even people that you know people that you don't know just like be like i need your attention you're like what the fuck trying to react to that like it literally have not chemically evolved to taken all this contact totally yeah there's just so many good hacks like you've built amazing businesses now the next thing i would say or at least what's worked for me is how do you get more leverage such that you increase your time for more thinking and more really strategic thinking of how to best utilize that time you got two young beautiful kids you got there's a stat that's on my phone i don't know where my phone is but uh 75 of the time you'll spend with your kids is over by

the time they're 12 and then 90 of the time you're gonna spend with your kids is over by their they're 18 and i'm like all right it sucks that i didn't i had kids kind of later in life but i'm so dang thankful that i now have these kids and have this mindset because my non-negotiables are like my morning two hours with the kids take them to school now take them to camp breakfast morning routine and so on by the way i'm a great morning dad i need to be a better nighttime dad because i'm like kids seven o'clock daddy tired nighttime time to go to sleep you know like a freaking laying the hammer down but um but yeah i mean like what's the line like the days are long but the years are short and we're gonna go like this morning we'll hopefully be on a pod in 15 16 years

and we'll be like dude it went by so fast yeah that's crazy we had uh we had our first epic wipe out on the scooter over the weekend their oldest i've been really wanting to skateboard surf get into all that stuff and for us starting with the scooter and we've We've been doing weekend scooters around Lady Bird Lakes, four miles. A lot of scootering for it. Oh, cool. When you go over the Lamar Street walking bridge, there's like a downward loop-de-loop that you can go down.

And this was the second time we'd done it. The first time I had my hand on his shoulder, making sure he wasn't going too fast. This time he was like, Dad, I don't want you to touch me. I'm going to send it. Let's go. Over the handlebars, like scraped up. but

hey that's actually okay no it was a great teaching it was like hey buddy skin knees are good this is what happens you're gonna take risk and

I mean I said it in a more rudimentary way but I was like yeah you're gonna go fast and you're gonna fall and it's gonna hurt

but you're gonna be fine you got back up you cried for like 20 seconds and I was like you're fine you're fine and I was like

what's the line I say with our like when our kids fall down what do we do get right back up that's it it's all mindset with these kids they're so amazing it's all in their mind if you put in fear or doubt in their mind they're going to take it like 100x but if you put it in in septum with

positivity positivity or enthusiasm they're like yeah okay okay yeah i can do that i can do that yeah yeah no especially when they eat shit on a scooter it's just like do not be like oh my god are you okay it's like oh you're fine exactly 100 i love it it's the little blood never hurt anybody no logan you skateboard no logan's a swing dancer i are you a swing dancer i am i did a pop shove it one time you did a what i did a pop shove it one time that's my uh extent of skating that's a good move i was a big reverse pop shove it guy back in the day onto the board into a nollie whoa okay i'm not gonna act like i know what the fuck you guys are talking about but sounds cool yeah that's uh it's important stuff a little time preference

focusing on the good things what are you most excited about in bitcoin right now in terms of like areas that people should be focusing on that maybe they're overlooking uh does that point around drew were we talking about like these small businesses and even large businesses like one other publicly traded company came out and said they're holding a little bitcoin on there or they bought a bunch of Bitcoin and now holding on as a treasury asset. The benefit there, it gives the air coverage and also more marketing to small businesses.

Like you could be the small business owner and you may have a position in one of these companies. Like, wait a minute, you're holding Bitcoin? Let me go research that now. Oh, maybe I should go do that as well for my small business. So that's kind of cool. um i'm i'm enamored by uh entrepreneurship i think it's one of the coolest um

the coolest people i've associated myself with and learned from are entrepreneurs and be able to say no to very quote-unquote stable jobs and stable money and a cush life to say i'm going to throw all that out and go roll the dice to go and and create something that new that's you know i think valuable for the community and society and i'll get paid for it i think that's just so awesome and i think there's so many opportunities for bitcoin focused people to become entrepreneurs so and i think there'll be some things in 2025 at the park that we'll be you know doing um to support those efforts which which could be massive oh yeah what would your advice be to aspiring entrepreneurs out there start like today today is tomorrow literally you got this

today is tomorrow you can do this do the side hustle work the weekends figure out you have the time so like you um are waking up 5 36 6 30 with the kids waking up right so let's say you're like marty you have two kids and so on and but marty's already got five businesses running so he's earned he's earned the right to figure out his own schedule you need to create more time and more leverage of your time for you so start waking up at 4 30 and before the kids get up give yourself the two hours between 4 30 and 6 30 and sacrifice that time such that you can go and you know do x y or z and even even one hour a day five or five days a week that's 20 hours a month it's almost a full day dedicated towards this uh entrepreneurial endeavor and one of the big things you know don't

quit your day job but just create the time to do this and then figure out how to be cash flow positive from like day zero like and then all of a sudden cash is is cash flow is the most amazing drug in the sense that once you see the cash flow coming in, you're like, holy shit. Well, if I turn this knob a little bit or I do this, there's more of this comes out. Oh, this is really interesting. Wait a minute. I really enjoy by the way, the stuff that I'm doing right now gives me a lot of energy. I'm really excited now to wake up at four 30 in the morning to do this project. So if all that starts happening, then all of a sudden you have leverage over your current employer. Maybe you still enjoy it and you should still do it. But let's say you

don't like to do the tps reports maybe you don't like to get on the planes you know and fly wherever you need to go to because someone's telling you you need to do that or whatever and now all of a sudden you just create a leverage for yourself and your family and uh but it starts with you at the end of the day you need to make the time um but the tldr is uh you can do this start today yeah side hustles that's how all this started yeah yeah that's right let's just say uh i'm unemployed it wasn't really a side it was a main hustle who am i lying to it was uh i've got i've got my back was against the wall it was like people want to learn about bitcoin i know about bitcoin let me put my thoughts out there and then here we are today that's so amazing and look like

a lot of things in life uh luck plays a good role but the harder you work the luckier you become i think that's like a thomas jefferson quote and then also finding whatever you're passionate about like logan's got the number one swing dancing ball um blog out there in the world you know and the guy's like talking about swing dancing all day long and uh you never know what can happen whether it's super niche i actually kind of like the super niche stuff because there's so much potential with super niche stuff to build defensible businesses around that because nobody wants to play in your moat like i'm never going to go into the swing dance maybe i will is it a good business swing dancing uh kind of i don't i'm unfamiliar with any business side of it there you

go um but uh i i think there's so many opportunities and it what's the kevin kelly book the 1000 true fans it in today's day and age to the point you made earlier marty like everyone can get in touch with oh not everybody but they the ability to get in touch with people is so easy to communicate marketing is so easy today with all the platforms out there to be able to build a brand to be able to build distribution mechanisms the ideas are pretty cheap to to experiment and not lose you know everything you can just iterate iterate iterate but at the end of the day you just need the will and it's at the nobody's default other than you just to do it the barrier of entry has never been lower 100 and the tools now

i've never been more powerful to provide you bigger leverage i mean you were texting me last week and telling me before we hit record but being smart and leveraging tools and services to give yourself more time 100 we do it here at tftc right now leveraging ai tools put more content on the website turn audio video content into written content then link back to it which has been somewhat successful to date and but you're you're talking about the admin side too because that's one thing i need to get better at as a business operator of this company specifically is the admin side yeah i mean you know the biggest unlock in the last nine ish months almost a year has been just hiring one of these virtual assistants and training it um and then but

even taking a step back it's like all right you have all your to-do if you're like me your to-do list just gets longer and longer and longer and then there's stuff that's like deep fun really important work that's important not urgent i think this was like dwight d eisenhower and by the way it's like important urgent like the eisenhower matrix maybe i'll have to fact check me um on this but it's like important urgent important not urgent uh urgent not important not or not important not urgent and uh there's just so much stuff in the even those other three quadrants that just need to be done and move forward that you can delegate to uh you know your team whether it's a amazing podcast producer like logan to a virtual assistant to take care of to other uh from

bookkeeping standpoint a lot of entrepreneurs they don't including myself until like the last couple years i just be like i can do that i can send that invoice i can do this i can all these little things i and i still take a lot of pride in understanding the process and and making sure i'm in the details but being able to free up my time where a 30 minute task that needs to let's say an hour task that needs to be done weekly is uh four hours uh a month four hours times 12 is 48 hours so that one hour task saves me two days of my life imagine two days to concentrate more on your business imagine two days more time spent with your family two days to start a new side hustle right think through it on that one bookkeeping

monthly month-end closing uh tasks that drains your energy like one of the things that i struggled with was i took on so much that a lot of the stuff was draining my energy so then when i come home i just be like so depleted uh when i started my days i'm like look at my like like to do's for the day and all the things i needed to get done but i was just like man i'm not this is not fun it's not giving me energy but after putting in these processes really scrutinizing over the team and being like okay

I can delegate these things where they actually really enjoy this stuff and by the way they do 10 to 100 times better than I do in general and it's freed me up to be able to be like alright let's go start experiment here let's go do this thing over there let's go

have more of these strategic meetings and talk about bigger things that we could be doing together so for you I mean you're killing it across the board and it's like all right what's the next level up if if you could answer this question if you had more time in your day if you even had one extra hour or two extra hours what would you do with it what and it's fine like I now spend almost like an hour an hour and a half a day on personal health so I try to get to the gym at least for one hour doing like these hit classes or whatever my push-ups in the morning i know it's a it's a

fun joke around here but um and then i'll try to do like the cold plunge and like all these like things um because if i'm healthy then i'm a better husband i'm a better father and i'm a better entrepreneur so um and i'm i'm like that's like a one area especially 2025 i actually want to I'm doing it so much that now the next level up to learn even more is to teach it. So I really want to teach this with other entrepreneurs. Actually, I don't know if I told you this. I think I did because I think I've invited you. I'm hosting these monthly entrepreneur dinners in Nashville and it's, it's been really cool just to 2025 folks.

Athena's the service that I use and they've been phenomenal. they're definitely a higher price point but it's the roi has been phenomenal and they've been kind enough to kind of sponsor these dinners anyways i i uh get these entrepreneurs together and we just jam on what is holding us up or what are the opportunities we see go forward and then i hope a lot of bitcoiners at the dinner but i also try to bring in other entrepreneurs from other industry and then all of a sudden then cross-pollinate these different ideas and um it's been it's been a lot of fun yeah i think for me again this started out as a main hustle it should have been a side hustle but i was unemployed um i think for me like i did everything myself

for so long like that was like before logan we had car you know it was really weird for me handing off like the editing and producing to car and now logan now think about it right now with that right you're able to do you had uh another gentleman on earlier today you have me now and then kathy wood's about to come in and you're there's no like you're not even i mean i've not even felt one second you've given me your complete undivided attention here where other people will be like oh man i gotta get this podcast done i gotta i gotta do like 30 minutes of work post this then i gotta go do this and then i gotta be ready for this interview or this podcast and then i gotta go do that all of a sudden if you delegate a lot of that work out

it frees you up to be more present in the stuff that's really really important um it's phenomenal yeah that is it's like that the books scheduling yep that's one thing i still haven't handed over is like scheduling guests for the podcast i still that that's still hand-to-hand combat and there is an art to that like reaching out and doing that but that's like one thing if i don't have the time of the day to focus on scheduling like the schedule um is hindered by that and so it's like so the two things yeah there i would say and my by the way my volume of podcasts and also sophistication and uh brand is like 100x smaller than yours so but so take this whatever i'm saying with a grain of salt but i time block only on wednesdays as i'm doing my pod 256 between

2 and 4 p.m uh brainstorm for the most part we only do um in the afternoons on tuesdays or thursdays of every month so that i can like mentally again i'm like pavlov's dog you know ring bell i like salivate it's like okay wednesday afternoon i'm like oh yeah i should be ready and mentally into podcast mode um and like i don't do any or for the most part don't do any meetings before noon and then it's so like i'm just like slowly training my freaking monkey brain to be more mentally ready around these areas so from the on the scheduling and the um and then the booking side just being able to be like all right here are my recording blocks and then you just look on your calendar i use a tool called acci flow where time blocking has been a game

changer for me so i can time block all these things so i can look out in my calendar and be like all right cool i use my podcast i don't have any um things going on in these podcasts let me go reach out to these folks like a month out and i have the task i do that and then everything is kind of lined up there or you delegate that and you say hey here's some templates to use um where you know you just keep doing it yourself because you find energy in that you enjoy doing that because there's like a little bit of a art knowing the people and and kind of some of the topics you want to talk about um which i think is totally fine yeah no but it is uh i'm excited to talk about this with you now and then after record too because that's one thing i need to

figure out is how to create more time yes i'm notoriously disorganized tonight it's one thing i write in my journal every time i write it's like get more organized please so like when people say that i totally you think you're unorganized but i guarantee you're not i think you have so much ambition and so many ideas such that you're doing doing doing and then you feel like you're unorganized but you're really not it's just like setting some simple processes and getting the team on board like the logans of the world and like a va and so on then all of a sudden it's like this superpower it's unbelievable delegation is such an amazing superpower because you're enabling somebody to be their best self employing them and then all of a

sudden the team's just winning and they're winning bigly so we're now only white pilling in the world white pilling team marty as well and um and you'll be surprised that you change your communication style as well like there's a lot of things that i want to just jump into like i'm i've done this now for a long time that i used to be notorious for just checking my phone in conversations with people what's going on you know here and there for the most part i'm not as or i'm definitely not as like that uh anymore i'll do it from time to time because i'm that much of an asshole but um but it's you'll be surprised with yourself it i actually like that the price point on on the service that i use is a little higher and but i also like it that it's month to month so

you can just cancel at any time but it's one of those things where it's not it's a mindset you just got to commit to doing it and then you got to commit to doing it for six months and be like look the pain is this the amount of money i'm paying and i need to get the reward out so i'm just going to do it and then i've set up so many sop the standard operating procedures i've done all these looms to like communicate excellence and and do it all and i'll just give you my whole playbook um yeah that's one thing i uh well i got a signal group with like some other guys like four other guys that have signed up and doing it so like i'll share all my best practices with them and then we'll jam because that's it helps me get better too it's like oh i didn't realize

you did it that way that's so much better than the way i was doing it now i'm going to go implement it in my day-to-day operations yeah and i think for all the entrepreneurs listening out there like i think you've alluded to it but like if you had to put like levels to like what does this unlock for the entrepreneurs the team's building out here focus on bitcoin entrepreneurs building in the space think about like when you're hiring i get um this may not come off the right way but i don't like to hire people meaning like uh you should i like to hire unicorns like josh at bitcoin park is a unicorn he can do so much um across the park he's a no-brainer that we want to work with and and work with for a long time a long time and i

get at different businesses you got to hire and figure it out and so on in different scales and you got to build sales teams marketing teams all this other stuff but you'd be surprised just starting with a small team and having just one of these virtual assistants to do handle podcasting coordination editing those ai tools the um scheduling to a degree you can still do it but like you know uh there's all there's a laundry list of stuff that you can leverage even personal stuff that you're between you and your wife that you're like oh man i know my wife wants me to do this and i just cannot get the energy to do this and she's gonna be really mad because i didn't do this but you can delegate that for the most part potentially off and then all of a sudden you have

so much leverage in your time on the on the business side then on your personal side you have more leverage that you have like weekly date nights that you know you always say oh i need to do a weekly date night i need to do a weekly date night well now we do do weekly date nights because the babysitters coordinated the, the, uh, we have a list of date night activities that we're now, uh, organizing and are the, uh, VAs organizing the list, even suggesting new things based on our interests that we wouldn't even thought of like, Oh, that's a great idea. Let's do that on the third date night that we have planned. And then it's on our shared calendar and it's like beautifully there.

And it's all of a sudden, these are like energy additive activities that make me at least even be more energized going into work because i'm so excited to go on the date night or i'm so excited to go to this kid's activity because it's all all there and um and streamlined yeah get me all bullish what what if i implement this what could i do it's uh what do you want when the marty bent legacy is over you know what do you want when people are like man marty was i think it's gonna sound uh stereotypical but i really all i care about is that the boys and any future children look up and they're like i'm proud of my dad totally yeah so if you unroll i love that but if you unpack all that you need to be the time to be present with them to be super

attentive with them uh and like this allows you to do that while being ambitious and be like my dad also taught me to be an entrepreneur and a multi-preneur and from a media company to an like the leading uh uh investment uh uh fund to a board director all of these things my dad taught me that like and at the end of the day he taught me that there's no limits on what i can imagine if i can leverage my time um the next certainly i hope people get value from the content said hey he helped me understand Bitcoin totally pushed me in the right direction. Dude. I bet you get that all the time. It happens from time to time. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's one thing that's kind of weird doing these meetups.

You'll go into like the, you know, your grocery store and so on. And then like, again, I'm a nobody, but we host these meetups and like 200 plus people show up at these meetups typically. And, uh, the person that was like, Hey, are you, uh, the the bitcoin meetups i'm like oh fuck got the wrong guy but no it's it's fine um uh yeah you their life has trade-offs um but i think the bitcoin education side we need that's why when when the jokes are like oh uh they joke about like we have too many bitcoin podcasts i actually don't believe that i think like if you're so passionate about doing it you should just do

a bitcoin podcast you should do a bitcoin 101 you should do whatever you think is the best don't let anyone tell you uh no and uh just do it and and see what happens and we'll start with one person 10 people 100 people who knows none somebody's been podcasting about bitcoin for seven years i welcome it iron sharpens iron yeah keep me sharp start that podcast totally i know it's um yeah and there's just so many ideas and that's where i do um i did kind of start and then stop the builders in bitcoin but this builders in i want to expand it to more uh entrepreneurial focused that's a little bit outside of bitcoin but has the bitcoin essence involved in it if that makes sense so it's like telling these entrepreneurial stories but like telling the

really minutiae details about like how do you organize your day marnie what like when you look back on your bank how do you look at your bank accounts like how do you manage your your money of your business why have you adopted and thought about bitcoin as like the treasury asset okay cool you have obviously how do you even think about managing your bitcoin on your balance sheet like do you think about how do you evaluate um investment opportunities as it relates to your business when bitcoin's ripping and you're like ah i could start a new business cash flows but bitcoin just went from 60 to 600 and you know i don't want to sell my bitcoin because it's about to go to six million you know like these are all and that's why i like these dinners because you

have a drink and you have like a nice meal and you can have like deeper conversations and kind of like ideate on on these topics yeah and i think again going back to the barrier to entry is so low that's something we focus on at 1031 too is number one like how are you going to accumulate as much bitcoin on your balance sheet and part of doing that is thinking really strategically about your your burn rate essentially your overhead and really forcing the question of how much can do with how little and trying to really help founders like hone in on that that one aspect of like and that's how i've focused and it's because i that's how i approach it at tftc is like how can we expand what we're doing um without bringing on as much overhead as possible totally because

i think my fear is um not ruining something because at the end of the day you can go get employment anywhere i truly believe that like where there's a will there's a way but you don't ever want to promise something and then you know um and not fulfill it in that way that also scares me but um yeah i am just mega mega bullish on the future i'm just so thankful that bitcoin is like we get to work in bitcoin every single day i mean how gnarly is that it's pretty sick it's pretty sick we wake up and we do bitcoin stuff i mean like especially particularly where both of us work at the park and here at the commons there is an energy like walking out there seeing everybody work and i feel like it's chica being able to go out there talk to the mutiny guys

zap right guys fetty chris 360 mining and just like all right what's happening on the ground yeah building totally what's happening out there that's why like when we talked back in october are these in so i'm not a big fan of like the mega conferences i think they're cool just to see how big i guess the industry has gotten you know um but these smaller more intimate highly curated summits workshops meetups and also third spaces like the commons are just so amazing because you never know you know when like you know phil geiger walks over i was like oh yeah she did phil what's up buddy and we caught up and then there's like a handful of other folks that you just naturally run into um so i similar to a meetup i would say unless you're super passionate and want to be

consistent about doing it um just don't start one without like a core group of people um and i can tell you all the things i mean like i i still cannot believe we're going to be celebrating two years like it happens fast it happens fast they grow up so fast they grow up so fast this is co-working spaces so what if you had more time like is there another business you would want to start uh or you just want to expand the the tfdc media uh just keep doing what we're doing here expand like our integration of bitcoins we launched a rewards program oh cool last week that i'm pretty excited about um and i would like to polish that iterate on it experiment with the incentivization within the program but essentially we have been doing a lot of research over the last

year lewis and i about the state of incumbent media and it's pretty broken visual media um and as you said core audience is important incentivizing that core audience is important as well and so we've used substack and beehive as analogs like looking at how they are promising creators on their platforms to grow their audiences and substacks got the algo and the ability to subscribe to have your newsletter um your substack advertised on other substacks and beehive is really focused in on that latter use case as well and beehive allows you to basically advertise your sub stack on other people's or excuse me your beehive newsletter on other people's pages and then if you get a subscriber paid subscriber from that that publication gets

like a revenue share on that and that seems very cannibalistic to me where um somebody's reading tftc um i think there's a lot of great content out there but i like to think we're putting out good content i'd like them to stay consuming our content and so like this idea of um putting other newsletters alongside ours and like participating in that model just doesn't make sense to me it seems very cannibalistic at the end of the day and so like with that model in mind be like how we not do this model but still grow the subscriber base we've created this tftc rewards system which is like tftc marty's been specifically it is extremely humbling to go back and like go through the listing and see open rates and people have been

reading for seven years now that's so awesome that have 80 to 95 open rates like people open it every day which is again extremely humbling and still amazes me and so there's something there it's like hey you guys are getting value out of this and what other value can we provide yes and so figuring out a way to grow our community at tftc but also incentivizing the people that are power users power readers um to participate it's like obviously if you're opening this almost every day you must get value out of it and so we launched a rewards program leveraging bitcoin uh and noster and ghost uh basically launched and said hey if you guys are liking this you're getting value out of this and you have one person of mine we just started one proof

of concept product we wanted to test out if you have one person of mine you think we'll get value out of this to recommend them uh to the newsletter oh cool and when they join the list uh if they read three newsletters we'll send you a sats reward and the new subscriber sats reward oh cool and communication to the referee the person that got referred is like hey we're putting out this content your friend thinks it's valuable really trying to highlight signal as it pertains to bitcoin and other areas that we're interested in um we're looking to develop a relationship with you if you read three newsletters we're going to send you some bitcoin our hope is that over the course of you reading three newsletters you become convinced like hey i want to keep reading this

and then so that's like the first proof of concept mbp shout out to austin uh now working at voltage founder of pleb devs he oh cool he built bitcoin link and so basically the way this works is we've created a server that connects the ghost api bitcoin link and then we use noster wallet connect to connect to my business albie account that automatically disperses the rewards as people open three newsletters logan we're gonna win bigly buddy just that was just a lot of alpha just dropped honestly like if you're an entrepreneur out there i'd be following marty like none other and just i have this technique called drafting where i get all like my really really smart people and sometimes my really really rich friends i'm like who's your

doctor who do you who do you have like what are you doing what tools are you using and i'm like okay i can't i try to do like 80 of what they're doing because i cannot afford 100 of what they're doing or i don't have the time to do 100 but i'm like all right there's like three things that i just took away from there that i could apply to my own rather than trying to recreate the wheel often you know you're just leveraging and with your network of other like-minded entrepreneurs and especially one of the one of the other hacks you need positive people in your life because entrepreneurship is just such a bleak um you know as i think elon said or somebody else it's like chewing glass and staring into the abyss and like you know hoping you're like right and uh but you

need good people around you just to say like like with your son who skinned his knees you're all right come on get up you're okay hey it's okay you know you went from like 200 000 ote to now zero dollars you're gonna be fine you're gonna figure this out come on you can do this you know this month next month and the month after um that entrepreneurial community support is is massive yeah so you think that's we're still we tested it out and people are using it it's actually beautiful to see that it works yeah like what austin's built for us works and it's like it's on autopilot now and like it's cool to go into my albie and see these rewards being distributed and yeah i mean i think so i'm not going to challenge you but i'm going to say like that's

a great feature you're doing that now my question is like all right you have now more time to think about like tftc uh 1031 uh kungs live in um like what's even more you can be doing like what is there another whole you know is there another whole podcast line that you could that you're so passionate about uh starting or is there like man you know i want to level up um the production here because i need to research now the next camera and all this other stuff and finally get that shift because going back to that question you asked me like what's the advice you'd give is like today is tomorrow so like getting that one extra camera in here and having the time to like make it work and then having the time to logan to be able to do more that compounds for

you and this is like the best right so imagine making the best better yeah it's cool yeah i definitely want another camera we're talking about it yeah we've got the shopping list got to pull the trigger and then uh i think 1031 like i think what we've really honed in on in the last year is that bitcoin being this open interoperable protocol puts us in a unique position um from the venture perspective where our portfolio companies can really work together we've seen that um zap rate mutiny unchained mempool strike mutiny strike primal like there's these synergies that exist that's so awesome within the portfolio and outside of our portfolio as well there's many other companies that aren't in the portfolio that are contributing to this

interoperable protocol and so really leaning into that aspect and trying to surface where these um partnerships and synergies exist something or have the potential to exist totally just even like for an hour a day like looking at your logo slide and be like wow what if this happened or what if that happened just freeing your time just to think more i know it sounds crazy because i'm also in this mindset of just do do do get through my stew list feel good about like checking off lists but also just and i'm not i have not been done a shit job of this but like i'm trying to read a lot more like deep reading like history and a lot of these other areas that'll help me on a number of fronts but like i just need a time block and find even more leverage in my day just to do that because

like the unlock of like just two partnerships for your portfolio and what i think you guys are on fund three or two or three and um that allows that compounds for you you know down the road and imagine like you just had the time just to think about one partnership that just 100x your your fund return and it's like so simple it could be just one thing and that those both of those companies just like 10x their enterprise value yeah but you need more time need more time and do any more time yeah and then uh yeah getting back uh getting back to the roots of this too focus on the tech and yeah man you're killing it yeah um i think that this was awesome man like i i don't want to give you enough time so that you can prepare for uh your next guest i feel

uh yeah well i mean thank you i should be thanking you uh for helping facilitate that I'm really excited for the conversation. Yeah, it'll be good. And like I said, I'm very happy. And you're the lead up to this because you're full of energy, full of positivity, full of white pills. We're going to win. Bigly. Create more time for yourself.

I think that's the message of this podcast. Figure out how to create more time. And if you don't, someone will take over your time and then you'll look back. And like, like I have in the last few years and so on and said, like, where am I spending my time? This is not giving me energy and this is not the best use of my time. And what are my goals? Goals are health and family.

Now I over-index on those on my calendar. And by the way, there's the line of the Munger says, Charlie Munger said, show me the incentive and I'll show you the outcome. and I forget who also said this but like show me your calendar and I'll show you it'll show me your priorities so I can look at your calendar and be like

alright yep podcasting all day not like Logan go through the checklist and ship the items that we have on our list to do you know a lot of these other things and it's pretty remarkable even like your home screen of your iPhone if you show me your home screen

I'll tell you like what type of person you are if it's like instagram facebook you know twitter and so on right when those and then the red i think it's still red the notification uh button oh man do you want me to do this right now okay let me know all right so a lot of this stuff i don't even know but okay finance got that social got yep i'm gonna move that away so you're business focused because you got a lot of business apps on here which is cool um you're very into communication like and social media obviously because a lot of the communication apps are at the bottom here um you're into yeah and then the social apps at the top i bet you nonchalantly go into you know social and then

just go through that check box um and then you use uber quite a bit probably because it's on your uh main screen but one car yeah that's right one car that's right i forgot about that but this is this could tell you a lot about somebody here you want to do me so it's like

I feel bad that you're not I mean I don't know why GoPuff's on the front here yeah yeah I need this but I don't scroll

left or right I just go to that home this is much much less chaotic do you like Notion? I'm not actually I don't I use it

and i use it a lot now um because there's a lot of good things and i could probably do more i don't love it the way i love um acuflow i use readwise's reader app quite a bit now um i do like superhuman for email processing but i don't process that much email so it's probably not the best investment um notion is just good just to collect and organize but i'm not some like power diehard uh user of notion i feel like you need literal dev to set up your notion boards sometimes but like mess around with it it's like god this is confusing oh you can copy all mine um and they're all so like basic it's not even funny the the cool thing about notion is around the database features so like for example um and i have not excelled or made this like a plus yet

it's probably like c plus b minus but i basically have created an intake system of content so whether i'm on whatever app i can hit share and then put it into uh reader and then reader it goes into my inbox on readwise cool and then i time block a specific time for like an hour and I have to just go through my read-wise of things that I found interesting, whether they're tweet threads, long-form articles, or PDFs. And then I'll go read through them, and then I'll highlight a couple things in there that I found interesting. Cool.

Then I archive it. I'm like, done. Still is my read-wise database. I can search for it, but it also goes automagically into my Notion database. And then it creates a highlights database for me. one thing i want to do in 2025 is actually write longer form content i really want to push myself to think um like just writing helps you think and organize your thoughts and i suck at writing so that's my like new new habit for 2025 that i'm gonna like push myself for but having all this

information organized such that i can then go in and i want to write something around i don't know the word success or um business success or whatever and i can do some searches within notion database and it pulls up all of those articles that have highlighted and so on i'm like oh yeah let me take inspiration here here here and it's made my longer form piece of content so much easier to write rather than be like oh what was that tweet thread from like i know i saw it did i bookmark it on twitter did i save it and read wise where it's all in like a central repository but again i'm not like some super fan of notion um um yet maybe i will be in like six months after i've like fully implemented all this stuff yeah god i need to get better processes but

gotta start somewhere day zero day zero start today yeah you it's always a pleasure sir dude this was the best thank you marty we're gonna have a fun day we're gonna have a fun afternoon yeah it's good to have you in austin heck yeah man all right peace and love freaks Thank you.