TFTC: A Bitcoin Podcast - #527: There Will Always Be Rulers with Pete Quinones

Episode Date: August 6, 2024

Marty sits down with Pete Quinones to discuss the potential of "Little Tech" to influence America. Pete on Twitter: https://x.com/PeterRQuinones 0:00 - Intro 1:23 - Energy and tech 5:39 - Explaining elite theory 21:36 - River and Unchained 22:51 - Kamala propaganda 30:14 - Gradually, Then Suddenly & Zaprite 32:16 - Technological warfare 39:38 - Communism and liberalism 45:29 - Rule of law and capitalist ideology 1:00:20 - Expanding your mindset 1:05:02 - Thanks Elon 1:10:18 - Is war coming? 1:18:18 - How much will Little Tech fix? 1:25:51 - Overton window 1:32:28 - Let not perfect be the enemy of good 1:39:26 - Domestic manufacturing Shoutout to our sponsors: River https://river.com/tftc Unchained https://unchained.com/concierge/ Zaprite https://zaprite.com/tftc Gradually, Then Suddenly https://thesaifhouse.com/gradually TFTC Merch is Available Shop Now: https://merch.tftc.io Join the TFTC Movement: Main YT Channel https://www.youtube.com/c/TFTC21/videos Clips YT Channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUQcW3jxfQfEUS8kqR5pJtQ Website https://tftc.io/ Twitter https://twitter.com/tftc21 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/tftc.io/ Follow Marty Bent: Twitter https://twitter.com/martybent Newsletter https://tftc.io/martys-bent/ Podcast https://tftc.io/podcasts/

If we don't have hope that the future will be better, you know, for our families, offspring, everything, why even do this? Why mine Bitcoin? Why read old books on my show? Why, you know, tell people to build social capital and come together and that multiculturalism is an abject failure and to reject it? There's no way I would be doing this if I thought that we couldn't see change the positive change in my lifetime this rip of tftc was brought to you by river it's the best place to buy bitcoin go to river.com slash tftc and enjoy this episode you've had a dynamic where money's become freer than free If you talk about a Fed just gone nuts, all the central banks going nuts.

So it's all acting like safe haven. I believe that in a world where central bankers are tripping over themselves to devalue their currency, Bitcoin wins. In the world of fiat currencies, Bitcoin is the victor. I mean, that's part of the bull case for Bitcoin. If you're not paying attention, you probably should be. We're live, joined by Peter Quinonez. as is always the case typically when you have an interesting guest you start recording a podcast before you actually hit record and we're just talking about the competency crisis and how little

knowledge is being passed on and you know i was explaining my experience in the bitcoin mining world uh that experience started in the oil and gas field and helped start a company called great american mining and we helped oil and gas operators mitigate their flare gas by mining bitcoin so you bring on generators data centers the machines take the gas create electricity produce bitcoin but that experience led me to become particularly close with a lot of people in the oil and gas industry and that's one thing that they highlighted is due to all the subsidies for wind and solar and the disincentivization to go get a petrochemical engineering degree the amount of knowledge that is not being passed down within the oil and gas sector alone

is nauseating there there is we are within a generation of losing a lot of critical knowledge that allowed us to get to this point in human history oh is it even that it's we're not progressing i mean listen to a lot of tech guys and they say that in order for for what is coming with ai and as fast as ai is growing really the only way we're going to be able to power it is through nuclear i mean we're just going to have to go completely nuclear and you know there are there are um cleaner ways of doing it um i've heard of what's it called salt thorium or thorium salt reactors yeah salt reactors i've heard this for six seven years now and it's just something that has to be done and you know this goes to politics the regime in charge

this this regime that we've been living under since the 1930s just doesn't want that they're too entrenched in the old system and the old oligarchs who have control over you know oil and you know the whole thing with venezuela now it's like i mean you know the coke you know, the remaining Koch brother has to be licking his chops because he owns, they own the only, as far as I understand, one of the only reactors that can clean, that can refine Venezuelan oil on the planet. So we have this old way of doing things, and they're just not willing to let go. And all of this stuff could be taken care of if we just went fully nuclear. And it's where basically we need a revolution of the tech sector, which is what I've been

calling for. And what I started noticing probably in February was that these tech guys were, it seemed like they were making a play for the White House and they were making a play for power in the White House and they were going to do it through Trump. And honestly, if we don't get to there, I don't, you're going to just, things are just going to be falling apart. It's, you're going to see, if we do not have a giant leap forward in technology and allow these people to work you're looking at like the soviet union in the 70s and 80s 1970s and 1980s of things just falling apart to the point where private companies are stepping in and just doing the job that the government was supposed to be doing and that's where we're at actually yeah it's i mean it's

glaringly obvious i think um part of the reason i'm not sure if you're well versed on the show in the background and myself personally as you can tell bitcoin mining i've been into bitcoin for about 11 years and that's how i backed into this was noticing the oligarchs in their control over the monetary system particularly post 2008 and actually wasn't their control of the monetary system it was their lack of control over it and they're papering over of systemic risks that exist and the fact that many people don't understand but the global financial system is extremely fragile and bitcoin being a private market solution to that problem something that luckily for me i latched on to my early 20s and have stuck to for the last 11 years

but that's part of the reason i reached out to you too and had tom introduce us because i listened to your episode with him and have been listening to some of your shows as well as bitcoiners have been picking up on the signal that you've been sending out there and i particularly liked your conversation with tom because in the lead up to this election as you mentioned this tech elite sort of positioning themselves to help fix the country by using trump as a conduit i think it's really important for people to understand the context as you explain it particularly elite theory and what the the framework that we're currently operating within and the stakes um of this particular presidential election so i think

think we dove into it um a little bit but i think taking a step back and from your perspective understanding how you are viewing this landscape right now as it pertains to elite theory like who are the players what's at stake and where you think we should go well it's always going to be a small group that's in charge. It's always going to be a group that is, put it this way, it's easier for a group of 2,000 to, and that's even too big in my opinion. I like to stay around Dunbar, 150, anywhere between 100 and 200, 150 people can organize better than 350 million. So once you realize that, once you realize that 350 million people can't organize, and that it's always going to be a small group that's in charge, you realize that populism,

democracy republicanism this is just basically getting in the way of what you want and what you want is you want competent people to make the decisions and the less the better one i mean look at tesla look at um starlink look at elon musk's what he's built i mean he's he's the final he makes the final decision has everything worked for him no everything's not always going to work so people who attack him for any failings he's had or other things they're not taking into consideration that they've had failings in life they're just it's easier to attack somebody who has more than you because there's a inherent

jealousy and also complain about the way he may have made a lot of that money which i don't have a problem with there's always going to be a small group in charge and i would say that and this goes this gets way off track before the new deal regime started in the 1930s And especially before World War I, you had a small group, and they knew what they were doing, and they were pretty good at governance. And then FDR came along, he took all the power of a king, and he, I think, he did three or four times as many executive orders as any other president. And a lot of people would say, well, he was in there for four terms. Well, no, he did that in like six years. but after fdr when fdr died he didn't leave that power to anybody so that power got dispersed down

into the into the state into what you what you know has become to be known as the managerial state james burnham's famous book the managerial revolution a book that someone like mark andreessen has been talking about a lot recently where now you have managers in charge and managers are not the only thing the managers are doing is making sure that they can perpetuate the system that the system keeps going that the managers stay in charge they're not experts and as time has gone on you've seen the expert class fall away from the government so 50 years ago Elon Musk would either be working with the government directly or working for the government.

There was a time when the smartest people in the world or in our country were pulled into the government to work and to solve problems, to make sure we had momentum going into the future. And that has fallen away. And one thing that I noticed, if you look back, and I can never pronounce the name of the Coinbase guy. Was it Balaji? Balaji.

Yeah, Balaji. He talked about recently on the Moment of Zen podcast. He said in 1991, you had when the Internet's coming online, you had all of these tech, these guys who come to be known as tech giants, they had a choice. Were they going to become work privately or were they going to help the government? Because at that time, you also have the Soviet Union just fell apart. And it looks like the United States, you know, Pat Buchanan was saying, this is our time to become the shining city on a hill. Let's forget the wars, put all that aside.

The Cold War is over. We've defeated the Soviet Union. Let's become the greatest civilization. And you saw that, no, we're going to go into Iraq. And we're going to start wars, a war on Islam. and these tech guys decided to go into it for themselves. And a lot of them went into business with the government. Now, when I was a libertarian, I would have that upset me.

They're all welfare whores and everything. Peter Thiel and Palantir, welfare whores. Elon Musk, well, no. No, when you realize that this government can't do its job anymore, Why not take everything you can get from them and start building systems outside of it? Samuel Konkin had this agorist theory where you, oh, you need to start building the systems parallel to the government. So when the government falls, well, that's impossible, especially when it comes to heavy industry. You're not going to be able to do that outside the system.

But if you do it in the system, and you use the system, and you actually can fleece the system, make yourself wealthy, well, there's going to come a time when things get really bad, and then you can make your move. And you may need to gather intel on the people in charge. So I don't know, maybe this thing Palantir could be used for that. Or, you know, you need to make sure that your narrative, the narrative you want to put out there, you control. And you say, okay, let's buy Twitter. It seems like that's where narratives go to be born, and that's where narratives fester. That's where they die, too. So now you have control of the thing that creates political narratives.

that creates social narratives it creates all narratives you know seven eight years ago we used to say twitter isn't the real world when people used to get too bogged down on twitter twitter x absolutely is the real world now and this is what my friend matt erickson started seeing back in january he introduced me to it but we started talking about it in February and we're like, it just seems like these people are positioning themselves around Trump and Trump's under attack.

He's got all these, yeah, they're going to take, they're going to bankrupt him. They're going to put him in jail. And, you know, we just theorized, well, what if a bunch of really wealthy people came to Trump and said, well, make sure that you retain your wealth. djt and we make you know we keep you keep you out of jail um i don't know how they were able

to pull this off but just watching all these things get dismissed one after another you just throw your hands up i mean that could just be basically trump um his supreme court appointees which weren't all great and we said well it's going to the biggest signal that this is going to happen is is that we're well also there was the fact that vivek was traveling with him and vivek would come out and say something like um you know we need to we need to deregulate cryptocurrency and we need to never have a central bank digital currency and then trump like two days later would come out on stage and say we need to deregulate cryptocurrency and not have i promise will never have... It's like, well, that's not Trump. Trump doesn't think that way. Trump doesn't

know what cryptocurrency is. Trump doesn't know what central bank digital currency is. He's being told what to say. And who's telling him what to say? Well, the guy who's traveling with him and it's basically his opening act. So when we saw that and we knew Vivek's ties to Silicon Valley and to Tech, we said, well, the next most important thing about this is who's he going to pick as a VP? Because if he picks Nikki Haley, well, we're screwed. If he picks Tim Scott, well, what's that about? And we said in that podcast in February, if he picks J.D. Vance,

well, no, the game's on. And, you know, two days before he announces J.D. Vance, we have this insane thing happen in Pennsylvania that, you know, I don't, you know, more and more looks like some kind of conspiracy, like it was some kind of conspiracy to possibly take him out. i don't think it was a conspiracy to make him by by his people to make him look more um you know stronger more patriotic yada yada i think it was seriously and i'm not going to go into the conspiracy because i don't care we'll never we'll probably never know unless trump open it gets elected and opens up his own investigation of it even then still we probably won't know that's not important what's important is the narrative and two days later he picks jd events. And now we have people like Mark Andreessen, who, in my opinion, and from people

I've talked to privately, has taken over what Thiel used to do, where he would dole out where the money goes that tech is putting out there. He would tell people, all right, give this money to this person, this person, this person. And Andreessen is like, somebody posts on Twitter and says, I think what we're seeing is we're seeing a circulation of the elites. Pareto talks about this, Vilfredo Pareto, that every once in a while, the elites are just gonna have an overproduction of them,

too many of them, competency crisis, or you're gonna have elites that just drop out and new elites step up. And this person tweeted out, I think we're seeing a circulation of elites and it looks like Silicon Valley, some people in Silicon Valley are stepping up. And Marc Andreessen retweets that with a bullseye.

and then he retweets his bullseye tweet with screenshots of the managerial revolution by james burnham and the machiavellians by james burnham and when i saw that i was just like okay for better or for worse i think that so that you know what their little tech what andreessen and Horowitz said in their, in a podcast about 10 days ago, 14 days ago, that little tech is making their move. And I, you know, I've taken a lot of crap on my side of the internet for backing guys who I don't agree with 100% culturally, politically, and everything like that. And I'm like, well, I know the regime in charge hates me because, you know, I'm pretty explicitly right wing. I go to church. I'm married. I'm straight. And best I can tell from these guys

is they're pretty indifferent to my life. I will, you know, Jeff Dice, who used to be the president of the Mises Institute. He called me in February of 2021. And he said, we're having a conversation still in the middle of this COVID crap. Now, you know, having the rollout of the vaccines at that time and everything. And he said, it's not about libertarian or Republican or Democrat anymore. It's people who want you dead and people who don't. And I said, yeah, that's pretty much it. So I look at the regime in charge, and I'm like, they would take me out if they had the chance. I have great sympathy for the people who just decided to follow a cop's directions on January 6th. And I've said that I think that this regime is evil, incarnate. And when I look and I examine what I know from Silicon Valley for the past,

my whole life, you know, since I started paying attention back in the 90s, these people just seem kind of indifferent to me. So when I go back to, you know, what Jeff said, there's people who want you dead and there's people who don't i'm gonna i'm gonna side and be i'm gonna cheer for the people who don't want who i i think don't want me dead this episode was presented by river river is the best most secure place to buy bitcoin in the united states go to river.com slash tftc set up an account today you'll be able to dca into bitcoin without paying any fees you'll be able to give people bitcoin via river links you'll be able to send

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stakes are higher than ever and these next 90 days leading up to the election are going to be critical and so with that like how high are the stakes for the the little tech backers of trump like what happens if you swing and you miss um around this election that's because post uh butler pa assassination attempt obviously you have the iconic picture you had the jd vance pick not too long after that and consensus was in the day after five days after he's going to win in a landslide and it seems i'm not sure if you're seeing this as well but it seems like perception has shifted pretty dramatically over the last two weeks with the coup on biden just inserting kamala as the nominee and the spinning up of the propaganda machine to download all the malware

in the npcs to let them know that kamala is the best thing since sliced bread and post-covid i was maybe naively um naively believe that people would have learned to sort of deflect the propaganda after how horrendous the propaganda campaigns post-COVID were. But over the last two weeks, I've been astonished to see how quickly people have picked up on the new propaganda being put out by the mainstream and just repeating it word for word and wholly convinced that Kamala deserves to be the next president of the United States. Well, I mean, I don't know who's saying that she deserves it. I see a lot of people who are saying that you know that she can beat trump and i mean i think were you alive in 2016 when even up to

election day even the betting okay remember if you remember 2016 the reason that so many people thought that that hillary was going to win is because the bet the gamblers had her winning and the gamblers had always had the pick the winner whoever it was on on election day that was who won whoever they picked and then as the day goes by you see the odds just shifting and shifting and shifting and shifting i mean the the polls were all wrong they lost i mean and i'm not even saying that the polls were wrong because people lied i mean i heard people go oh well So, you know, if they call you and say, oh, sure, no, no, no, I don't want to vote. I'm not going to vote for that mean Trump, man.

I'm going to vote for Hillary. And then they're going to vote for Trump. I don't even think, I just think they lied. And I think people forget that. And I think that people who are buying into this propaganda now, I mean, there's nothing you can do about the normie. Okay? The normie is going to, the normie is going to normie. It's the it's the people who know better. You know, I know I see people that I know that I respect people I've had on my show who, you know, are spouting this.

And, you know, that's when you wonder, you're like, what is everybody on the take? I mean, are you getting paid to say this? Because it's insane to think in a non-fortified election that Kamala is going to beat Trump. It just doesn't, that doesn't, how does that register to anyone? Yeah, sure, the lumpenproletariat, sure. Okay, yeah, they're idiots. They need to be ruled. That's why there can never be anarchy, there can never be libertarianism. Because people are fucking stupid, and they need to be ruled.

They need to be told what to do. and it seems that that some people have fallen into that even people i know and that i respect anyone who believes absent you know voting irregularities that kamala harris is going to beat donald trump you're out of your mind i mean people are like oh he's scared to debate her She was a defense, you know, she was a litigator. So? You know how many lawyers I know? I'm not a lawyer.

I didn't graduate college. Most of the lawyers I know, they're not smarter than I am. They couldn't, they're not going to take me down in a debate. This woman is a moron. I mean, she is a moron. she can get up there and spout whatever they put on cue cards or whatever in a debate, and I'm sure they'll try to do that for her. But it's like Mike Tyson said,

everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth. And Donald Trump is the biggest punch in the mouth to anybody who wants to debate him. And I'm not saying that he's going to be as rude as he was with Hillary, But exposing just how double-digit IQ she is, Donald's perfect at that. And, I mean, they'll play it up and try to do sympathy and everything. Oh, she just, you know, he just hates black women. I mean, an Indian woman.

I mean, Jamaican woman. Dad's not even Jamaican. He's, like, half Indian, half Scandinavian or something. They moved to Jamaica. Okay, well, does anybody think that this, I mean, absolute dumpster fire of a human is going to beat Donald Trump? I'm not saying Donald Trump is like some Aryan god. But, I mean, to think that that would naturally happen, you would have to basically believe that some kind of mass hypnosis happened. And I don't think that, you know, COVID seemed to be a mass hypnosis, but it wasn't mass.

It was 30% of the population. It's 30% of the population who was willing to act as, you know, willing to act as like Stalin kind of apparatchiks for the regime. It's not, I mean, who even votes anymore? Are boomers excited to go out and vote for Kamala Harris? I mean, am I missing something here? I don't know. Maybe I am. I just, I think that anybody who has bought into this absent, like, and like I said, absent, you know, just stealing the election as

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talk about it some some boomers are gung-ho about it which makes me worry but i agree i think anybody remembers 2016 or just simply looks at kamala as a candidate versus trump it's it is hard to believe which makes you question why the hell did they put her up there in the first place like did they expect trump to actually get his brain brains blown out in 4k hd and this is a quick contingency plan that they had to roll with i mean i yeah i mean i guess but what were they going i mean were they you know the question is is if you know if trump is taken out in in butler do they stay with biden what do they do i mean they basically get their their israel their israel candidate anyway because it'd probably be nikki haley or somebody

who's you know just 100 pro-zionist who's going to come in there and then that's another interesting thing is i don't know that kamala is like the perfect zionist candidate for the left, which is really weird because Joe, no matter what Biden said and what he did since October 7th, Joe Biden has always been a friend of Israel. And I would say a greater friend of Israel than Donald Trump. But I mean, I just, yeah, I don't, it makes no sense. It makes no sense at this point none of this makes any sense you know you you really have to understand i think we have to understand that to go back to like the paypal mafia that's what we call the these little tech guys

they see this as like an existential crisis they believe that if they don't and i know for a fact that from people i know who know these people who tell me things they see ai as the most important thing right now they do not want china to get ahead of us in ai if china gets ahead of us in ai we are screwed and people who die i know there's i know if you're a bitcoin guy there's a lot of libertarians listening to this and you automatically want to be oh non-intervention and everything you can be a non-interventionist you could be someone who doesn't want to start a war and understand an existential crisis from another country and especially a cyber one

okay if you can take down a country without firing a shot i mean that's the world we're going into people need to realize that and i think these guys realize that which is why they talk about the military so much i mean we're they grew up in a world some you know these are gen x people like myself they grew up in a world where the Cold War, you didn't fire shots, you did proxy wars. You didn't get into these mass, you know, United States on USSR. No, you had Grenada or you had Vietnam or you had Korea. You had little skirmishes here and there.

And they understand that big world wars are bad for their business. I don't think they like, these people like war. I think they like to see, they want to see technology move forward. I think they want to create. I think they've proven to be creators and not destroyers. And they see that. They see AI. They see if there isn't some kind of government push towards AI like there was towards nuclear,

than China could get the upper hand, then we're done. I mean, we'll be screwed. They also look at one big thing that I hear them talking about is taxing unrealized capital gains. They see that as basically destroying their companies within five years and destroying the country within probably six. And this is the things that they talk about. This is the things that I've heard them talk about.

These are the things that I've heard fear in their voice when they talk about. And, yeah, I don't know. For everything, you know, for everything that happened in 2020 with the election, and I don't know if you put this up on YouTube so I don't really get specific because I know it can get taken down. for everything that happened if these guys really see a threat

like it's their destruction I don't know why they wouldn't be undergoing fortification efforts themselves right now I would I'll be perfectly honest about that I would be fixing everything I possibly could, because if this regime gets another four years, if this regime in charge gets another four years, I mean, we're are pretty much our only hope at that point is either secession movements or radical decentralization.

to local politics and local areas basically becoming de facto, having de facto secession movements. I don't see how we survive otherwise. We may even have to start looking at states and even localities coming up with their own currencies, things like that. I just don't see how we survive another four years of this with some of the things that they have on the table. I mean, they could all be threats. The unrealized capital gains could just be a threat.

I mean, anyone who understands what that is knows it's completely insane. But I mean, the fact that they would have shut down the country, parts of the country, for over a year, and then got private companies, it's a private company, bro, they can do whatever they want, got private companies to do the vaccine mandates for them. i would have thought that that was insane in 2019 if you would have told me yeah no it seems pretty clear that i mean kamala especially but even joe biden i think it's safe to say their policies are communist to an extent i mean i think uh james lindsey has been going around saying this uh kamala's favorite line about being unburdened by the past is actually a communist incantation and when you look at it i mean i i it's not communist is a word that's used like fascist to

distract you from the fact that these are ugly people who are jealous and they just want to destroy everything. That's what communism was, okay? It wasn't some planned, you know, it's like, if we do this, this happens. If we do this, this happens. No, we just kill everyone. We kill everyone that disagrees with us i mean i don't need james lindsey you know a an effeminate like scumbag who says that he would rather this regime in charge stay in charge than right-wingers take over he needs classical liberalism to take over classical liberalism which brought us to where we are which was the which was the bridge that which is the the road that allows people to subvert because you don't gatekeep you're not allowed to say no to people you know the whole idea this

whole idea that there's a marketplace of ideas there's no marketplace of ideas whoever's in power tells you what the ideas are and you believe them those are the ideas that get pushed through there is manufactured consent. There's no marketplace. There's never a marketplace. It is always who has power, who controls the narrative. That's it. There's no communism. There's no fascism. All there is is who has power and what What are they going to do with it? Now, we can look at people. We can look at someone and say, oh, well, they want to control business.

That's classic fascism. Great. You put a label on it. What the hell? Okay, what did that get you? You can look at, oh, what did the Bolsheviks do? Well, they killed 10 to 11 million people within the first four years because, you know, if you're going to institute things you want,

anyone who could possibly get in your way, it's easier just to get rid of them, right? This isn't about, like, labels. This is about will. Okay? How, I mean, what label would you even put on these tech guys, on little tech? Are they liberals? Are they libertarian?

Sure, they have some libertarian. They have some liberal. They have conservative. They have far right. There's some fascist tendencies in there. Some of them, you know, the ones on the left who are actually supporting Kamala have some communist tendencies, some things that would. But how do you label these people? What, do you got to come up with something new now?

it's not the label it's what they do it's what their intent is it's it's are they going to allow people to live historically are they going to allow people to care more about family their own families than they do other people's families Are they going to try to deracinate people by turning the country into what it already is, an open-air strip mall, a shopping mall where the only thing that matters is if the line goes up? And what are we seeing today? The line's going down and everybody's in a panic because that's not supposed to happen. Because if the line's not going up, we don't have freedom. Why? Because we're economic units.

We're little annuities going through life that this government can feed off of. They don't care about your family. They don't care about your ancestral homeland. They don't care about your family's cemetery. They'd kick it over if they got a chance. That's the problem with America. That's the problem with Americans, is they eschew family, and they bought into money. And we have an economic zone, and we have certain people who are like, I have the answer to this.

We just need to have sound money. Really. If you have sound money with immorality, what do you have? An immoral society. what do you have you just you just have an open this is an open-air strip mall that's all this country is now yeah it's been described uh by some bitcoiners as a high velocity trash economy the uh that's all that matters is quarterly financials number go up in the stock market gdp growth and even then that's i yeah i worked for i worked for a multinational corporation

before I started doing this. It was, they were not thinking 10 years down the line. They were not thinking 20, even though it was an over 100-year-old company. They weren't thinking, and it was a private company. It wasn't even public. It's one of the oldest companies in Europe I worked for. They were not, they didn't think,

at least in the North American headquarters that I worked in, they weren't thinking 10 years down the line, 20 years down the line. they were thinking about what their bonus was going to be. Not even this quarter, but this month. That's all they thought about. And they didn't care if anything that they were implementing wasn't sustainable for the next 10 years to 20 years.

And that's because that's what we've been sold. We've been sold number line go up. if that graph is not going up it's a sin it's a sin against the economy which is God and you know you're going to have to make your penance

you may have to become a libertarian or something like that and preach you know and you know pledge yourself to the free market which will never exist it's we we're we can have all the sound money we want okay what are two what are two countries that people point to in the in this world where people are like you know they do pretty good switzerland and singapore okay switzerland is it multi-ethnic is it multi-racial is it kind of an

ethnostate? Kind of. Yeah. Singapore. Singapore actually is multi-ethnic and multi-racial. You have all sorts of Asians there. And Asians and different Asian groups hate each other. Well, how do they get by then? They get by because they value authority. And they will cane you for spitting gum on the ground. And yeah. they take a heavy hand. So when you think of these two countries that are, when you think of these two countries where, oh, things seem to work really well there, you know,

and basically, I mean, all Singapore or Switzerland are gigantic banks. That's all they are. They're just banks. Well, how do they make it work? one, ethnostate, two, authoritarianism. But here, what do we have? We don't have an ethnostate. We have multi-ethnic, multiculturalism. Diversity is our strength,

which is why I'm sure anyone watching this wants to go walking in Chicago on Saturday night at 11 o'clock downtown how do we solve this sound money sound money is going to sound money is going to clean up Chicago

sound money is going to clean up Camden, New Jersey sound money is going to clean up Albuquerque South Central LA is that what's going to do it hmm I don't know

I don't know. I think that if you believe that, I would like to, you know, maybe we'll go driving through Camden, New Jersey on a Saturday night and we'll preach Bitcoin to them and see how they react. yeah now that's been um the most unnerving thing of post-covid world is the complete collapse in the rule of law the manufactured collapse of the rule of law whether it be um the ACAB movement the the DAs that refuse to enforce the laws on the books the um the limits to how much you can steal without getting in trouble it's common that's the scariest and most unnerving part about it is like common sense ten commandments don't steal don't harm your neighbor and they at a certain point were encoded into law in terms of you broke that law you would be punished for it but it has

been completely blown out in the last four years particularly and not that it was perfect before but it's certainly accelerated in the last four years. Yeah, and I think that's what's radicalized a lot of these little tech guys because they're in Silicon Valley, San Francisco. They've watched what San Francisco has become. Now, I know they wouldn't want to hear this. Maybe David Sachs wouldn't want to hear this, But their culture, the culture of Silicon Valley, maybe that feeds into it because it's like, well, there's a lot of leftism there and there's a lot of libertarianism there as live and let live.

You know, it's like, I mean, I just don't understand how people can look around and see like, OK, so so San Francisco is a place that has some of the wealthiest people on the planet. Would you say that that or San Francisco and the surrounding area has some of the wealthiest people on the planet? Would you agree? Agreed. Okay. How's that working out? How's that working out? It doesn't seem like you can have law and order unless you take things into your own hands.

Unless you actually, your friends get power. you know i've always said yeah i mean i hate the state too because my friends don't run it i'm perfectly fine with the state if my friends are in charge or you know and at this point it's like at least people who don't hate me are in charge but the state is a given it's not going anywhere i used to be an anarcho-capitalist this documentary on amazon right now on anarcho-capitalism that I helped produce and write. After 2020 and after seeing the reaction and after watching libertarians not realize

that the government, the state, was using private companies to mandate the vaccine, I was like, screw you guys. I would rather live in 1930s Germany. it's just this is ridiculous you people are ridiculous you worship business and capitalism which is i don't even know what that means anymore um you worship economics so much and it's such a it's you're so dogmatic about it that you're willing to watch private companies

the arms have become an arm of the state and you can't even recognize it because you're so ideological you're in this box and not only that but this ideology has become your identity and because you may not be a christian or a husband or a father or you know because you don't have those things you need something or you're so terminally online that you that's where all your friends are and you don't want to get kicked out of the group chat if you you know if you question hey maybe this isn't a good thing maybe private maybe private companies are wrong here. And that's when I was like, I mean, I just can't be a part of this anymore. I can't promote this anymore. And I still have very, I still have, there are some

things about me that I, you know, I still think that libertarianism is good for helping you to examine certain things and be able to figure out what's how it went wrong but all of their solutions are theoretical unless you're willing to get power and put them into you and put them into play and then so many libertarians will say well i mean political power is immoral like then you just have a hobby then this is all a hobby to you it's just you arguing on the internet it's you saying i just caught you in a performative contradiction because you're arguing with me and you know

i'm a hoppy and and everything that's great that's fantastic now please face the wall i mean i mean i just i don't get it you know you've said that you're hoping that bitcoin becomes a reserve currency for the world that means that governments exist and states exist and that means monopolies on violence exist that is a realistic way of looking at the world But not being able to criticize a company that's doing the bidding of the state because of some religious belief that you have that you can't even substantiate in reality, I mean, that's real faith. I can make the argument that God exists from nature, from order, from things, from this, from that, and everything. you can't even you you can't even show me an example of where what you're saying exists in has ever existed in reality well medieval iceland and um and medieval ireland uh sure

whatever yeah you i would love to see the person who brings that up i would love to see them living in clan wars in medieval Ireland, being involved in clannish wars in medieval Ireland. That would be great. Yeah, I'd love to see that. They don't have your SSRIs there, people. They're not going to have your SSRIs. So, you know, maybe stop talking about things

that you wouldn't even be able to last a day in. Yeah. No, I think this has become clear to a lot of individuals who would have considered themselves libertarians in the past, but the whole libertarianism meme has really picked up steam. And I think what you just said, succinctly put, is you may not care about political power, but political power cares about you. And this is, whether you like it or not, this is the way the world is. As Arne McIntyre said, he said, the people who want to rule will always rule over the people who just want to be left alone. Yeah, I mean, I just want to be left alone. Great.

There are people in the world who are not going to leave you alone. What do you do? Now what? That's my whole thing. people got sick of me saying that libertarians just attack me over and over again all through 2021 because I'd be like, they'd make an argument to me. I'd be like, okay, well, that exists now and it's not going away. Now what? Now what are you going to do? You're going to sit there and argue theory? Yeah, I can do that too. I like theory.

You know, I mean, sure. It's great. But in reality, there are people who are violent and then what imposed their will on you okay what are you gonna do you gotta read i mean i live in the middle of nowhere one of the reasons i live in the middle of nowhere is i don't want i'm done i grew up in the city i've lived in cities my whole life i'm done with it i'm i just wanted to get out and you know i want to die i want to die in a peaceful place where people where you know your neighbor's names and people say hi to each other in a grocery store, strangers say hi in the grocery stores and growing up in New York city, living in Fort Lauderdale, living in Atlanta, that didn't happen.

It just didn't happen. Even living in Auburn. I lived in Auburn for almost two years. That was too big. You know, but what I, I guess these people think that, well, you know, the way I hear some people who call themselves libertarians and anarcho capitalists, like, well, you know, well, if there's no state, and I can have all these guns and everything. And when, you know, what, the private army of the local, I mean, like literally, they want the warlord meme.

The whole warlord meme. They're just asking for it. Because that's what would happen. They just don't understand it. So it's like, okay, so I put together an army of 1,000 people and I show up and you're on your roof with a .308. How many am I going to take some of my guys out? But eventually, we're just going to kill you and take your stuff.

Well, and I don't know why people don't realize that that's exactly what would happen. Maybe because that's something they wouldn't do. Well, I wouldn't do that. Well, there are people that would do that. I wouldn't do it. But that doesn't mean that there aren't people that would do that. Just because you don't know people that would do that. And believe me, you know people who would do that.

You just aren't willing to accept it because you're so steeped in your ideology that you can't come out of this box. I exist in this box, and as soon as I step outside that box a little bit, I know somebody who told me they cannot read, they will not read books by anyone who they consider to be a statist.

Okay, so Burnham's gone. Aristotle's gone Plato's gone the Bible's gone what that just shows how weak you are it just shows that you understand how fragile your belief system is

that you can't allow it to be challenged I am horribly I consider Zionism Zionism to be the biggest enemy in this world. Do you know how many books I've read by Zionists? Do you know why I consider them to be the greatest threat to this world

and the greatest threat to the United States? Because I read them. I actually read what they wrote, what they write. Read it on my podcast. I let people decide for themselves. I've read Lenin's State and Revolution on my podcast. I've read Ted Kaczynski's Manifesto on my podcast. I've read books that I don't agree with on my podcast.

Why? The more I know, the better I can see the world more clearly. People who are just stuck in this box who are like, well, this is all I'm going to allow myself to read because, well, I don't know if I read, you know, if I read Imperium by Francis Parker Yockey, I may start to think like a fascist. Okay, so end. That means something in there resonates with you. why would you want to avoid something that resonates with you i mean i i think lennon

was one of the most despicable people that ever lived there was stuff in his in his writings that i agree with i mean i i agree with karl marx was probably right on 90 of the things even even hans harman hoppe says that he was he was probably right on 90 percent um of of what he wrote. Why wouldn't I read people that I don't agree with? I might change my mind about something. There's the problem. There's that going back to that identity thing again. You may have to change your identity and you may have to step outside and you may have to say goodbye to some of your friends because your friends are ideological idiots. Once you realize they're ideological idiots, maybe you don't want to hang around with them anymore. You know, when I, one of the things

that I'm most proud of is when I stopped being a libertarian and I started talking about things that were verboten to libertarianism, is how many people took the ride with me. Is how many people who now contact me on pretty much a daily basis and say, thank you. Thank you for get from getting me out of that thinking it was, it's a, it's a dead end is I'm going to, there's nothing there. There are things I can find there personally that are enriching to me, but politically, if I care about politics, concentrating on libertarianism is probably the, I mean,

most impotent thing you could do. So, yeah. yeah no i mean i think at one point i would have considered myself libertarian at one point anarcho-capitalist so i'm not sure sort of waiting in the waters i i think what i do know i'm more left side of the bell curve like i do think that the erosion of the nuclear family has been horrific for society overall i think the high velocity trash economy is not good for society overall i think there are things we need to do to fix the incentives to basically get people to act better to each other and to make sure that we can continue to flourish as a society i think energy is at the core of it and you just look at again what you said earlier

these people hate you they want you dead and to me it's obvious just via their policy you can look at monetary policy you can look at energy policy you can look at immigration policy and if you're just looking at the scoreboard over the last four years particularly everything's gone in a terrible direction and I was also in the camp and now after talking with Tom and hearing your conversation with him and talking to many others in the lead up to this election and the paypal mafia palantir tesla being a subsidy whore like that always rubbed me the wrong way but um really internalizing the idea that you may not care about political power but political power cares about you it's like all right um who do you want leading the country over the next four

years kamala and the deep state puppeteers who have been behind biden for the last four years or people that have brought us incredible technology and um for me personally professionally in the bitcoin space that they would be a massive net benefit um compared to the incumbent administration for me personally so it's well you know elon i i've never met elon musk probably would never will probably never talk to him but he has helped to bring great joy to my life in that I live someplace that I'm happy, happier than I've ever been in my whole life. And I couldn't talk to you right now.

I wouldn't be able to talk to you right now if it weren't for Elon Musk. There is no internet out here. But Starlink is here. so i mean i'll i'm eternally grateful that i can live here i can do my business here and you know i can talk to people all over the world because elon musk you know was a what was a welfare whore and um you know created created this internet that basically you know works from anywhere i mean it just basically works from anywhere and you know i don't know um i don't

know it's tesla product or anything like that uh but there are you know there are other welfare whores out there who have created stuff that you know help helps our lives and now there is a chance you know it's an outside chance i don't think you know nothing's guaranteed and You know, when you go after, I believe this government, this regime in charge, not the government itself, but the regime in charge is dying. But, you know, a wounded animal is very dangerous. I think there's a chance that some real damage could be done to it. and if through their welfare whoring all these years, they're able to use that to actually damage this regime in charge.

And I don't want them to make my life better. I just want them to clear a path so that I don't have obstacles in my way where I can say things that aren't immediately going to get me targeted or something like that, canceled, things like that, then thank you. If they somehow managed to be able to do that, dismantle this administrative state a little bit, really do some damage, thank you for welfare whoring.

Thank you for welfare whoring all these years and doing what needed to be done and it coming to this and you actually using your power for good. because we know the people in charge right now are not using their power for good. Anyone who's looked at what's happened in Ukraine since 2014, even since 1991, I mean, that's probably the biggest tragedy on the planet right now. And, you know, it's all people in this regime who orchestrated that, made it happen. I mean, like you said earlier, they're like physically ugly as well. You think of like Victorian Newland, Hillary Clinton, the Rolodex of people that really pushed a lot of this foreign policy and economic policy forward and the woke, pushing the woke mind virus via the political apparatus or the private sector with things like DEI.

I think these people are physically and figuratively ugly inside and out. And that's something I worry about, too. You mentioned they're a wounded animal right now, and a wounded animal lashes out. And you look at what happened over the last few days with the market's lines going down, but um some lines weren't going down particularly the um the defense companies like that's what i worry about between now and the election is do they try to push us to world war iii and obviously you have things popping off um between iran and israel right now and um it seems like the the war drums are beginning to beat as we get closer to the election and is that the last

gasp of ugliness that we get from this regime or are they successful in corralling people into backing a wartime regime to make sure that we get some peace or make sure that we get some peace i've been saying for a while that i don't think that we're going to have war with iran i think It's a, the proxy wars are enough, you know, the fight against the Houthis, the fight against Hezbollah, the hatred for Bashar al-Assad. And these are just basically proxy wars with Iran. And one of the reasons is I've studied Iran and I've studied like their topography. Like going to war with Iran, the only way they'd be able to do it is with nukes. They're not going to be able to do it with ground forces.

They're not going to be able to do it with aircraft because they have this range of mountains with Russian anti-aircraft technology all throughout it. I mean, they just have to go for nukes. There's not even a place to stage properly. We'd have to reinvade Iraq. Turkey won't allow us to stage. The only other possible—Afghanistan is not going to allow us to stage.

The only other possible place is Saudi. Saudi, I mean, the Saudis would—you'd be telegraphing yourself where you're coming from. There's no way to go to war with Iran outside of nukes. And I think nukes could be intercepted because of just where—if you look at where Tehran is on a map and you look at the surrounding areas, you just realize how perfectly situated they are. And I mean, this isn't me just saying this because it's my opinion. You know, I look back at the assassination of Soleimani by Trump and how after that, like a couple of days after they did that,

Iran bombed a Iraqi base, a U.S. base in Iraq, and they just dropped some bombs on it. And Trump even went so far as to say, look, they just they had to save face. They did that. And it was the same thing when they when Israel, I think they bombed the Iranian embassy in Damascus earlier this year and they killed a couple of generals. And then Iran sent the drones to at Israel, which landed in the desert, landed nowhere. And I guess everyone now is waiting for an Iran retaliation over what happened with the head of Hamas. I can't remember his name. I would assume it's going to be the same thing.

It'll just be some kind of kayfabe. And it really makes me wonder what exactly this is all about. I mean, when you consider that Israel was selling Iran weapons just in the 1980s and then became Iran's five weeks away from having a nuke and everything. I just don't see it. I mean, what I see is I just see continued war with Hezbollah. And I don't even know if Israel can win a war with Hezbollah. Hezbollah is formidable. So, you know, and then they're basically, what, fighting a forefront war right now?

I don't know that—the way I look at it is, if they were to try to really—if the United States were to get involved while Biden is still president, and let's put that in quotes, it would be against his will. He wouldn't want that. Harris would definitely not want that. Trump doesn't want that. People can say everything they want about Trump, though the most Zionist president ever, Jerusalem. I mean, Trump is just another one of those guys

who's just like, war is bad for business. Let's just make weapons. I mean, that's the one place where I'm white-pilled. I don't see war with Iran. I worry way more about what's happening with Russia because there's a war happening on their border and Ukraine is launching missiles into Russia and they're killing Russians.

And it seems like this White House or this regime is starting to distance themselves from them. And I think one of the reasons why that would possibly happen, I think you could still see some cash infusions, but I think all it will be is just basically money laundering and just getting money to people. None of that money, it makes it to actually Ukraine. It just goes to our military industrial complex

and then they send things over there. And I'm sure money gets diverted in other places. I'm just worried about Russia, and I'm very happy, glad that Vladimir Putin is the president of Russia and Sergey Lavrov is his foreign minister because they have way more patience than I would. i i i would hate ukraine would not exist right now if i was president of russia it wouldn't exist and you know

i'm just glad that there's somebody like you know like vladimir putin there because he is showing amazing restraint considering everything that they've done to try and drag him into seemingly like World War III. Yeah. Yeah, I think I heard

or saw a headline last week that Zelensky's open to peace talks. Seems like he's even exacerbated. He's seeing that the money's probably not coming to support him. doesn't want to end up like that he doesn't want to end up like gaddafi yeah i'm hoping i'm hoping he does but yeah yeah i mean you mentioned one of the things you're white pilled about but if little tech trump were to get back into office and were to go forth and try to execute on their

plan to fix what's broken particularly in this country like do you have confidence in them being able to do that and if so like what do you think this means for america headed to towards the 2030s like do you think we could experience a renaissance and actually get away from this woke mind virus and get back to work and begin fixing the country and the systemic issues that exist within it i don't think the woke oh well these people really do hate dei because dei is you know just you know one thing when you study these little tech guys you understand that they competent they're all about competence that was competent people that was my favorite line from your i actually wrote it down um i think you said in the middle of that episode these people cherish

confidence or competency excuse me yeah yeah they i mean look at the business they're in they need competent people so i i'm pretty sure they hate i know they hate dei because of that because they're forced to surround higher people who are incompetent the woke mind virus i don't know i mean i don't know that they can you know like i said this regime has been in place for you know a hundred years now you know a little less than a hundred years it's dying i mean anybody who says it's not is not really paying attention but it you know there's a chance it could take another hundred years to die really what i think we're kicking the can down the road if they could dismantle like the administrative state that would be something else

i mean to i'm talking about mass firings i'm talking about like you know people like oh well if they fire if they fire a hundred thousand people think about what that's going to do to the economy i don't care okay just like jerome powell keeping you know keeping interest rates high is causing all sorts of you know problems with pricing and problem with with interest rates on. I don't care, okay? That's the whole line go up thing. If the line's not going up, you know, it's a sin. No, it's going to, if you're going to fix stuff, it's going to hurt. And it's going to hurt for a while. I don't think they can fix everything. I think they can fix some important things. But, you know, it's going to be, I really think it's very

important that, like, regular people support change. Like, even in their minds, think about it all the time i'm i believe in god i believe in metaphysics and i believe that change can be made because people want change to be made and i believe if enough people want change to be made then that change will be made and i believe we can keep it and i believe we can actually change and change for periods of time i think we are going towards decentralization i think we will see secession movements no matter what happens um i don't know if it's in my lifetime but i think that's the direction we're going and hopefully what they can do is you know i i said the best thing that we can hope for these guys if they get in power and they

they actually have the will to try and do what they want to do is to just break knock some walls over that we can cross and go to the other side and start building what comes next. And Nick Land, the philosopher Nick Land said, the only way out of this is through it. And what's on the other side is going to be something new. Sure, it's going to have echoes.

Sure, it's going to have an older morality to it. but when you when you look at like what the a lot of these tech guys are technocrats i would say many of them are transhumanists i think the belief that transhumanists want everybody else to be transhumanist i think that's something people read into it you know there are people who want to live forever and that doesn't necessarily mean they want everyone to live forever and it doesn't necessarily mean they need to see your demise early like they're going to do

something to you something bad to you or because they want to live forever somehow that's going to affect you maybe but i'm just not willing to live in the live in a world anymore and live inside my head of thinking that everything bad that that could happen is going to happen if we don't have hope that the future will be better for you know for our family's offspring everything why even do this why even talk about it why mine bitcoin why you know why read old books on my show why you know tell people to build social capital and come together and um that that there are strength in numbers, and that you want to be around, it's good to be around people that think like you and look like you

and talk like you and share your beliefs. That multiculturalism is an abject failure and to reject it. I mean, there's no way I would be doing this if I thought that we couldn't see change, positive change, in my lifetime. I mean, just look at some of the things that we've seen. I don't know how spicy I can get on the show, but, you know, October 7th, if you would have told me before October 7th that on Twitter X, the biggest platform in the world, that people would openly be discussing the historical Jewish question

that was posed by Karl Marx and that people weren't going to get kicked off of X for it until you were out of your mind. Now, mind you, in the 1920s, these things were discussed in newspapers and debated in columns and debated openly. It got to the point where it's like, well, we can't talk about these things anymore.

It's mean. and now people are talking about multiculturalism now you have people rising up in great britain and going look our town one in three women in our town has been raped in the last 10 years by these migrants that were forced upon us none of us got out here none of us went out into the street and lobbied nobody went to a politician and lobbied and said you know what we need more people from ghana here we need more people from eritrea here we need more people from the middle east no one did that it was forced upon them and now people are fighting back and you have people at the RNC for as much of a sideshow as that was in many ways holding up signs saying mass

deportations now and what's funny is the first person I saw who was holding up that sign to me looked Mexican and I just made the joke to my wife and I'm like yeah we are in unprecedented times now and so if you would have told me that all these things that those things would happen, things that just four years ago

would have got you debanked and deplatformed and I mean, stuff you just couldn't say in public that now it would be an open discussion and yeah, of course, people

or regime-oriented or still disgusted by it. And they call you a fascist and they call you a racist. And then when you say, call me whatever you want, I don't care. They have no idea what to do because no one's apologizing to them anymore. There's your white pill. If you understand that culture is everything And you see that people are fighting to take back their culture

and openly talking about it. And Americans are fine with not ending immigration, but reversing immigration and saying these people have to go and saying they need to be rounded up. why would anybody think that positive change can't be made? Even if you don't think that those things are positives, the fact that they're even being discussed openly lets you know that we're in a different time

or something has shifted. And I can't point directly to it, Man, it seems like Elon Musk buying Twitter really was a huge shift in the spirit of the age of where things are going. I know a lot of people are still blackpilled out there, and they hate Elon for this and that, and he's not the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler and everything like that, and yada yada. We need Hitler to come back to clean everything up. He was right the first time. Look at Weimar in the 1920s.

I mean, at this point, we just take what little victories we can. And it seems like there have been more and more victories. And I know there's, you know, Jared Taylor is not on Twitter, and there are certain people who still aren't on Twitter. Okay. But I am. and a lot of people are, who say challenging things and say things that upset the apple cart

and that more and more people are taking seriously. Hopefully these tech guys recognize that and are, from things that I've heard, they hear us. You know, J.D. Vance follows on Twitter a bunch of my mutuals, and a lot of my mutuals on Twitter are the kind of people who have these discussions openly on Twitter, the verboten stuff I was just talking about. So, potentially have a guy who's going to be the second most powerful person in the world who knows the things we talk about and follows people to read them and take them in and get the pulse of people. And it could be for nefarious reasons. And a lot of people will think that because they're just completely lost and don't think anything will ever change. But I think things can change.

I think things are changing. And letting perfect be the enemy of the good is something I left behind in libertarianism. And I don't want anything to do with, you know, now that I've left libertarianism, I don't want anything to do with it in any other ism that I may, you know, that I may show deference to. You've got the volunteer fire department alarm going off behind us.

Please excuse me. That's fine. I have a volunteer. I literally live next to a volunteer fire department. Yeah. I mean, I think it's chaotic right now. obviously you have social unrest um rising globally look what's going on in the uk what's going on in france here in the u.s to a certain extent you look what's going on

financially um despite the fact that all the numbers on the line has been going up for years it's very apparent to people on the ground that not all is well their money doesn't buy as much as it did in years past and um you have the dei crisis getting to the point where it's creating this competency crisis where people um are throwing their hands up saying this is bullshit like it's time to fix this you look at the crime that's where i that's where i think we're at it's like people are like i've had enough maybe not everybody you're not going to save everybody but there's enough momentum uh on the backs of people that are like fuck it it's time to fix this like this has gone too far and i'm extremely optimistic in my world in bitcoin

um fixing our small part of the world fixing the money to some extent as you mentioned earlier not a panacea for all these problems that we're talking about but certainly an important part i would argue is separating money from central banks and governments and letting people choose the money that they want to and um as a side effect of that creating these positive externalities and things like energy systems and it's exciting to be white pill too and to have hope because it's it's much more energy sucking to be a doomer and to be blackpilled because you're always talking about what's wrong how things are fucked up and um i don't know just personally being in the space that i am working with a bunch of founders building companies and talking with

people like you and many different walks of life that really want to solve these problems and are focusing on solutions it's just a much better way to go about life yeah i mean if you and i really think it comes down to just to you know close this out and everything i think it comes down to ideology if you if you think that everything has to be this perfect way this you know i have this checklist and if if things don't mean meet this checklist everything is crap everything will always be crap i mean you're never ever ever going to get the perfect ever ever i mean it's you can't go back in history and find the perfect it's not anywhere there's no there's nowhere where it's perfect there was always you know

It's like, you know, people always ask me where I would go. I'd love to be like Ferdinand and Isabella Spain and, you know, Catholic Spain. I would love to live in Catholic Spain, especially at that time. But, I mean, was it perfect? No, it wasn't perfect at all. There was a lot of problems there. They were figuring things out. I mean, they were actually, you know, figuring out how to monetarily run an empire.

And they had some really good ideas. We're doing a series with a buddy of mine on Spain's golden age right now. When you start looking at some of their monitor, they separated everything. It's like foreign affairs, domestic affairs. They had all that separated. They had different treasuries for it and everything. But still, everything wasn't perfect. Everything came crashing down.

Spain had probably the greatest empire in the history of mankind. And it came crashing down. As it always will. We're people, man. We're imperfect. We're going to screw stuff up. You know, we can try to create systems. And, you know, those systems are good.

There's always going to be something in a system that's going to go wrong. Usually it's going to be human. It's going to be human. No humans are perfect. and um no humans are always going to have another person's best interests at heart and you know they'll even do things to sabotage themselves not even knowing it so we do the best we can do um we work towards we don't rely on somebody else coming to save us that's one that's one straw man that that i get whenever i talk about the paypal mafia oh you're just waiting

for someone for them to come and save you fuck yourself no i've never said that i've always said you need to be building you need to be building personally um you need to be working you need to be building social capital with people of like mind you need to be making alliances locally things like that always said that never said that these guys are going to come in the only thing i've ever said about about possibly about this paypal mafia change is that they may be able to knock down some walls to give us some opportunities that we wouldn't have had without them that's not saving that's just that's just making up making our lives a little bit easier i'd like my life to be a little bit easier i mean i'd like to see i'd like to know china doesn't isn't going to

control ai and basically destroy our grid figure out how to just take everything down you know i mean what's you know what's the one thing that you know and people can talk about paper wallets all they want what's the one thing that could kill bitcoin let's take down the internet you don't think china would do that you don't think those psychopaths i mean these are not these are not normal people man their ideology is like out of another out of an out of another planet you know so you know i'm just i'm hoping these guys can at least get ai get ai squared away for the future and um you know do some damage to the managerial state and i think that'll that'll

improve our lives a lot as long as you're not looking for you know people to take care of you and um you know do everything for you yeah and i meant to mention it earlier but wrap it up on this i think um trump's economic plan that was leaked i don't know if it was leaked but thomas massey came out and described it after a meeting of with with trump that republicans had on the hill and if he really does come in and try to eliminate the income tax raise tariffs like that dictates that unless you want national debt to run away faster than it already is you need to cut government jobs pretty significantly and so that's like a light this is not this does not work without government job cuts at all but i mean we could go back to the the economy the

the trade policy we had in the 18th century in the 19th century where you know trade was supposed to be free within the with within the country and then tariffs and you know there was no real income tax friedrich list the great german economist friedrich list who when i was in when i studied austrian economics i would have just thought was a statist and he was crazy but man did he just it was very simple very what he taught was very simple it's like you can run a country off of tariffs you can you can you can fund a government with tariffs but you have to have manufacturing at home. You have to have manufacturing at home. I know I'll sound like Alex Jones here for a second, but these globalists have outsourced manufacturing.

And Steve Bannon talks about how when he was in Harvard Business School in the 1980s, that's what they were teaching. They were teaching, no, if you send manufacturing to China, It'll be much cheaper. Even if you had to send parts over there, have them be manufactured there and then ship them back here, the labor you're going to save over there, over American labor, is going to be cheaper. And that's what Harvard Business School was teaching in the 1980s. And, you know, he bought into it until, you know, later on and he figured out what it was. And, you know, we need manufacturing back in the United States.

I mean, people say, well, we exported our pollution, our manufacturing pollution. We can do things a lot cleaner now. We can do things a lot cleaner now. And that's no reason to have our pharmaceuticals, our chips, the things that we need to run, that people need to stay healthy in a completely unhealthy world and to run our machines, run our cars run everything you're putting it in the hands of somebody else you know that's it's one of the most diabolical things about there's only like six countries that you can get military

aircraft from so if a russia if an african country wants to build up their build up their air force they have to buy from one of six countries what does that do okay now you have to get the parts from them now service a lot of service is going to come from there you're going to i mean you're basically tied to them now they can screw with you they can you know you're this government can now do anything they basically want to you because you're tied to their your their economy is tied to you and to your military which you may you know if you're a warring nation you that's important that's exactly what we have with china with other countries who are are hostile to the way we do things why would we keep that up we need to we need to build

factories like now we need to manufacture things here now i also think that's something that elon has done. I think that those facilities of Elon, I mean, you live in Austin, you've seen the Tassel facility. Do you think he's using all of that? Or do you think that possibly

he could be setting it up so that he could build ships there? He could build things that are being built overseas there. He just has to get the, he just has to have the regulations removed so that he could do it. now that's me theorizing but i don't think it's a bad theory especially when you consider that

you know he understands all those things about being tied to um foreign manufacturing so yeah yeah white pills i'm hopeful i think um i think the vibe shift the shift in energy is definitely palpable is happening and i think the momentum is only going to increase from here so that i really appreciate your time this afternoon peter it's a fascinating conversation and uh hopefully we can do it again i think um you and tom riffing together really helped crystallize some of these ideas and the framing around how you should approach what's going on right now particularly with the paypal mafia coming in and the concept of elite theory and where we stand today so thank you for that and i appreciate it hopefully we can do this again at some point

sure reach out anytime hopefully hopefully my power won't be out all day up until like 25 minutes before we're supposed to to record that's what i felt that i didn't want to and i'm happy it came back on but i'm sure it's been a stressful day for you so oh i mean we we would never go out to eat lunch on on a monday but it's like let's go someplace that has air conditioning we're in the middle of alabama you can't have no air conditioning you know in august in alabama it's like oh i don't want to sit in my car running the ac all day either yeah it's part of the reason we uh escape austin to come up to jersey in the summer it's too fucking yeah the ocean's not too yeah yeah all right have a great night that's what we got today freaks peace and love